💀┃acolyte

[obtuse quest]

They don't splash.

[topaz marlin]

okays thankss

[main stratus]

It's a neat idea to deal more single target dmg with scornful blood (and the same stat but unnamed on fangs of the berserker) than your actual skills at least. Though taking a huge amount of more dmg from the belt is kinda awkward. Also, most of what I could see in this server searching on it, is that fangs of the berserker seems to possibly be bugged and not scale with a bunch of sources of frenzy effect

Also, I guess maybe the belt and the passive don't work together even though they do almost the same thing

[obtuse quest]

They techncially do, but since their damage scales by YOU doing damage anyway... (Their effect depends on how much you're supposed to leech, more damage=more leech)

[main stratus]

Yeah, I'd just consider it a more multi to single target. Deal 10m dps, leech 400% so 40m, turn that into 120m drain on enemy

Though I don't know leech mechanics tbf

If it's capped by your own life pool (which would be sane I guess), then it's prolly just bad

[obtuse quest]

That's 40m over 3 seconds assuming no duration changes.

Not 120m.

It works like ailments.

[main stratus]

But belt drains a bunch, that is scaled by frenzy effect, and scornful bloodnis just directly turning your leech into dmg

[main stratus]

Is it capped to one stack?

[obtuse quest]

Yeah, but idk how you got 120m drain from 40m leech

Oh you could have meant total leech dps

[main stratus]

304% leech to drain from 100% from scornful blood and fangs of the berserker with giga frenzy effect

[main stratus]

Yeah

[obtuse quest]

So each 10m hit would cause 30m leech, which is dealt over 3 seconds.

Oh we also still dk what happens to leech over 100% iirc.

It might even be capped to 100%

[main stratus]

Ah, that's a rip

Belt seems interesting but almost only for lich imo. Since it gives you the downside of taking more dmg I'm not super keen on it for most classes that don't have scornful blood and hollow lich

But I'm playing primalist atm. Just had to ask if anyone was doing this cuz it seems so cool

[obtuse quest]

The downside would kill you all the same if you take scornful.

Scornful converts the leech so you don't leech health anymore, it only does damage.

[main stratus]

Yeah, but you get much more from the leech than anyone else

[obtuse quest]

As damage, you become zdps still

[main stratus]

But you do have hollow lich for increased dmg

[obtuse quest]

Yeah that's okay but that's about it, and I'm not too sure if the leech frenzy gives is converted by hollow lich, it's been known to not convert conditionals (Like leech while transformed)

[main stratus]

Ah, rip

[obtuse quest]

Still works for scornful though.

[main stratus]

Ngl, if you could just stack giga str, use cleaver solution since acolyte uses int, get 2400% inc dmg from leech, and get 1200% of dps as a drain on an enemy within 6m, that would be ridiculously broken. So if a bunch of bugs makes that very much not the case, then I understand why noone is talking about it

And leech cap of 100%

[lost gale]

don't forget the 100%+ increased damage taken lol

if it was all working then there would be so many zhp liches running around getting onetapped by everything

[main stratus]

Yeah, that's why you need more than the belt. Only acolyte has that

[obtuse quest]

You'll still be one tapped tbf

[main stratus]

And even then it's glass

[obtuse quest]

Just that you have more potential dps than other classes

The only thing that has even a chance of saving you is death se- Oh wait you got no leech!

[main stratus]

xD

Fangs of the Berserker is a weird item

[lost gale]

think you need the oneshot EHP of low-life and just to never get hit twice

[rich stag]

I want Acolyte minion army build to be like Frogs. I don’t want much EHG.

[obtuse quest]

Go claim your friendly trex-

[main stratus]

Ah, damn. Cleaver trex just dawned on me

Phys pen for my saber bleed

Maybe ancestral sabertooths can in a build not suck

Nah, nvm. It's just 1% pen for trex per int and 0.2% pen for your other minions. I was thinking pen equal to str (through cleaver)

[reef goblet]

someone mentioned hollow lich?

I feel it's one of if not the worst passive node in the entire game.

[obtuse quest]

calling it bad would be dishonest, it's stupid strong if built around.

It's just super specific and forces you to build differently.

[main stratus]

It got a nerf. I used to think it was really cool. Still do tbh, though it's weaker now

Or I think it's probably weaker now, idk

[obtuse quest]

It's also behind the chain so Warlock and Necro can use it if they want to.

[obtuse quest]

1 to 6% instead of 1 to 10%, weaker by raw numbers.

[main stratus]

Yeah, but now you also get scornful blood. Also costs more passives though. So it's a mixed bag

Probably for most applications it's clearly weaker though

[native bison]

are there any death seal cold harvest builds? would it be worth replacing AoD with deathseal? feels like paper without it

[obtuse quest]

You lose out a whole damage modifier, I don't think it would be worth it to spec into death seal when using it unspecced is like 50-70% of it's power already

[reef goblet]

can you chain death seal with increase cd recovery items?

[drifting grotto]

Death seal CD doesn’t start until after its duration ends. CD recovery stuff will help but you won’t be able to keep it up permanently or anything

[slim cosmos]

yoyo ima make mana harvest lich - whats the best build to get to 85 the quickest on acolyte - im on MG so i can buy some levling gear -

[obtuse quest]

Because it's cooldown only starts after your death seal drops, you can never chain it

[dusty onyx]

burning time

[reef goblet]

I'm currently using selfcast chaosbolt triggering rip blood to level.

[dusty onyx]

hmmmm

[median pebble]

oh I wish I did not have to use army of skin, 2 T7, sealed T6

[rich stag]

Probably some kind of DoT Warlock

[drifting grotto]

im guessing this is bugged now too lol, trying uberroth, death seal doesnt reduce the damage from his big slam at all. im taking 5188 damage with or without death seal on

[charred ridge]

well that's because i think only the initial hit is hit damage?

and then the expanding AoE is damage over time

so it wouldn't benefit from the 90% delayed damage from death seal

[drifting grotto]

oh had no idea the aoe did dot damage lol 5k dot ticks are brutal

[charred ridge]

2 things: first of all you probably need some amount of gear in order to facetank it, and also i just learned that this node is bugged

and it gives 50% leech per point instead of 0.5%

i was able to facetank the slam with 2 points in it, without it im dying after 3-4 ticks

looks like you can still facetank without bugs but it'll take real investment

[drifting grotto]

finding out way too many bugs with lich today lol ehg really shot themselves in the foot with ct changes, just feels like everything is bugged

[charred ridge]

yeah it's horrible

the bugs that bother me the most aren't even balance bugs

i only have 60 stash stabs (i had 150+ last season) and my game keeps stuttering and freezing when im browsing my stash

and my character keeps getting stuck in the void when i tp back from echoes so im losing echo rewards 😐

[drifting grotto]

yeah and it feels like its just getting worse. cant believe they made such a drastic change for CT just to appeal to a vocal minority of people, when said people could have just NOT used build guides if they didnt want things to feel so "solved" lol

[worthy arch]

Man im loving my poison lich build. I've tweaked it so much since starting. Any thoughts on what I could change? https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/

[obtuse quest]

You linked an empty planner

[worthy arch]

Still a few unique I need. Need to stack more health to get my overall ward up. Long road ahead but so far all the content falls over and im never in danger of dying even when doing bosses like sanctum.

[worthy arch]

Wow lol

One sec.

[thick whale]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H33hTqru2w0

Actually the guy has a good point... especially for nice builds

[obtuse quest]

It's a two part attack, oops

[worthy arch]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/ApZX2OKB

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 78

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.1

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (71)

General:

▸ Health: 1,376, Regen: 16.92/s
▸ Mana: 134.39, Regen: 9.12/s
▸ Ward Retention: 111%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 17 Str / 17 Dex / 54 Int / 17 Att / 26 Vit
▸ Resistances: 46% / 46% / 80% / 15% / 15% / 51% / 90%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 67%, Threshold: 303
▸ Dodge Chance: 10% (225)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 20% (581)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 12%

Used skills:

Wandering Spirits / Aura Of Decay / Spirit Plague / Reaper Form / Death Seal

[worthy arch]

There we go.

[obtuse quest]

Oh my eyes

WHy is singularity even here

[worthy arch]

Its bad :(?

[obtuse quest]

What hit damage are you doing?

[worthy arch]

Oh honestly I havnt touched my idols much. Those are super rough.

Pretty sure I got it and thought "unique idol cool" and didn't think much of it.

[obtuse quest]

[worthy arch]

Please ignore idols for now haha

Pumping out like 1k poison dots quickly. The unique 2h is dope I think. Lots of damage.

[obtuse quest]

Other issues: Sourge? Plague isn't your main damage. Why kill the spread for not a lot of damage? (And if you want it to do damage, why not the INT node?)
No Vile Shroud in Reaper form to offset the posion resistance you're losing?
I'm not too sure why you're buffing death wave's damage when you aren't scaling a single part of it in other places.

[half kelp]

what the heck you get a guaranteed affix on a slam?

:DDDDDDDDD

the game just got ALOT more enjoyable

[rich stag]

It was a good change for sure

[reef goblet]

thx harbinger, still one more empower left.

[worthy arch]

Good ideas thank you!

[night musk]

hey peeps. were there any changes to harvest recently? i went from being able to use it on cd for mana last night, and now i am getting no mana any time i use it this morning. i have not make any changes to skill points. i even moved the skill to a different button and restarted the game. no mana at all. currently running the mana flay build

[worthy arch]

Possible patch note changes?

[old hull]

Did you unequip the unique axe that makes it give mana?

[night musk]

let me check their site

negative

found the issue... my idiot self didnt notice that the main weapon was swapped.. lol

[rapid halo]

Is it possible to make a 1 button minion necromancer?

[heady bluff]

Anyone else having an issue with Aura of Decay's Respite node reducing/not giving the appropriate amount of phys res when Aura is phys converted?

[obtuse quest]

Did you take the node that cuts everyone's res (including your own)?

[heady bluff]

sure did

didn't know that said you also

[pearl snow]

Like 1 minion aka a “button” or just 1 button in general where you only press that and cooldown

[obtuse quest]

Pretty much

[heady bluff]

jesus christ thanks @obtuse quest

[obtuse quest]

Have fun res balancing

[pearl snow]

Reaper form solves it kek

[heady bluff]

I'm pretty much set now that that's done

[heady bluff]

how so?

[obtuse quest]

Only solves physical and poison I think

Or necrotic

[pearl snow]

Yeah necro and poison my bad

[obtuse quest]

Forgot which two

[pearl snow]

Reaper gives necro and poison per int. I didnt read well disregard me

[rapid halo]

like only spamming the summon wraith button (usuall right click for me).

[pearl snow]

You’ll get a weaker setup if you never want to use Dread / Infernal shade. Maybe look into some sort of Volatile Zombie Build

[grim rune]

did they fk

cementeries?

after patch u cant enter

[rapid halo]

Right now i have it working is that when my wraiths die they spawn a volatile zombie, which then spawns a skeletal vanguard, which then can be sacrificed by my skeleton archmage.

[obtuse quest]

You... could do the same thing with skeleton summon spam?

[rapid halo]

question, does skeleton vangaurds benefit from the summon skeleton skill tree?

[obtuse quest]

No

[rapid halo]

well, then i won't specialize into summoning skeletons.

[obtuse quest]

What I meant is "You could just hold down the Zombie summoning button and you'll be doing the same thing"

I don't know what wraiths do for you in that chain

[forest mica]

How are you think about rift beast is an encounter which as similar as Nemesis on the interaction, they can be available in a map randomly instead of the way that tombs and cemeteries in a map, with a clear indicater icon on mini map since you enter the map?
I mean pro & con.

[rapid halo]

right now my specializations are summon wraith, summon volitile zombie, summon skeletal mage, Infernal Shade (which my zombies also spawn), and hungering souls (which are cast by my Archmage Death Knights.)

[obtuse quest]

And my point is "Wraiths don't do much"

[rapid halo]

they fill up the battlefield.

[obtuse quest]

And... do what exactly?

Other than spawning zombies, which you could probably do even faster and cheaper yourself.

Additionally:
Infernal shades do damage based on your stats, and not your minions'.
Death Knights do not use your hungering soul's tree.

[obtuse quest]

Tombs v0.5

[forest mica]

lol

[grim rune]

uhm

im CoF?

[lost gale]

Sasuga EHG

[grim rune]

XDD

[little wigeon]

Use letools

[grim rune]

let's start the fun

[charred ridge]

god bless the rune of ascendancy QoL

of not having to reselect the rune every time

[dark quiver]

red ring? xD

[versed fox]

:):):)

[grim rune]

yes

[timid nexus]

And?

[indigo sluice]

jesus, how did you farm that many ascendance runes!?

[versed fox]

CoF

[lost gale]

MG can use money from selling stuff to get tons of crafting materials from the first dungeon's vault

much more than CoF offers overall

[viscid marten]

Hello, has anyone tried Flay with Exquisite Blood and Bloodsoaked Blade? I tried it and the melee damage of my dagger and axe seems not count as spell damage.

Did I misunderstand the explaination or it's a bug?

[grim rune]

1.5k corruption + weaver tree + cof

[grim rune]

I got bored after 150 rings

XD

It’s faster to map + do prophecies

[charred ridge]

sounds like a bug if that's the case

or at least i don't see why the damage conversion would be disabled with spell flay

[viscid marten]

Thank you. I've reply the bug in the game. Hope it will be fixed asap.

[median pebble]

I have no idea how you guys kill uber with flay using 1lp items, not playing melee again 😄

[median pebble]

this is with or without marrow shards? cant see

[grim rune]

i mean with. the standard mana flay uses marrow shards

[median pebble]

i really dont want to use their damage is due to bug as far as I know

[grim rune]

well withotu marrow shards it would be 10 sec longer prolly

and im not even abusing it xd

[median pebble]

eh, without them and 1lp I probably have half of your dps

just need to grind for a good axe for 2lp slam

[grim rune]

Im taking break, kinda nothing to do rn outside some new build

[junior elbow]

will my cold skeleton mage get 122% increased cold damage bonus from this amulet? or it should specifically be "increased minion's .... damage" for it to apply?

[lost gale]

@winged flame something like this is what I had in mind https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/B70PdzPo

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.1

Class:

Acolyte (22) / Necromancer (76) / Lich (15)

General:

▸ Health: 2,017, Regen: 29.2/s
▸ Mana: 134.51, Regen: 13.36/s
▸ Ward Retention: 172%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 31 Str / 17 Dex / 61 Int / 17 Att / 40 Vit
▸ Resistances: 57% / 57% / 57% / 57% / 57% / 137% / 97%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 59%, Threshold: 463
▸ Dodge Chance: 3% (92)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 30% (1,454)

Used skills:

Summon Skeleton / Summon Volatile Zombie / Summon Wraith / Dread Shade / Infernal Shade

[brisk elk]

i forgot, does bluefeather band's cost reduction apply before or after flat cost reduction

[lost gale]

flat goes first I believe

that's how mana efficiency works usually

I assume bluefeather works similarly

[brisk elk]

its not mana efficiency though

im hoping its %first

thats the difference between enabling cool stuff and being kinda mid

[lost gale]

well the way you break symmetry with that ring is stuff like Rip Blood's +3 mana on hit where those effects become twice as big relatively speaking

[winged flame]

Yeah looks neat, pretty low spell dmg though 😅

[lost gale]

yeah the flat necrotic mod for daggers/axes comes in clutch I think

or, well, lich's scorn can do a lot of flat but it isn't reliable on that build

because ghost make will re-summon the wraithlord sometimes on-kill

[winged flame]

Doesn't matter how you calculate it iirc but -mana cost first, ring and then mana efficiency

[brisk elk]

wym doesnt matter

[lost gale]

but in combat your shades are usually getting the full 8 wraith damage buff from the dagger

[brisk elk]

and again it's not efficiency it's just less cost

[winged flame]

If you calculate -mana cost, mana efficiency and then ring divide it in half or other way around but -mana cost always goes first from wands for example

[brisk elk]

ill have to test it

[winged flame]

I don't have that ring but I asked about it at launch and I remember that's the answer I got

[winged flame]

Yeah that's probably good, hope the mana won't be an issue 😂

[lost gale]

if you use the shade set gloves then mana will be rock solid

[winged flame]

Yeah yeah, just mean when you want to summon zombies and wraiths

[lost gale]

I'm sure you can work it out yourself but the way that all works is the Wraithlord eats your skellies and zombies quite fast with the dread shade cast speed buffing it and it also summons regular wraiths. By eating the skellies it creates more zombies, by eating the zombies it creates shades, it also summons wraiths up to the 8 cap which are the survivable targets for those infernal shades

you only have 80% skele revive with that setup, I don't think getting to 100% is important

and you can either cast skellies to resummon them as needed or spam infernal shade on the wraiths yourself

big damage

[winged flame]

@lost gale This is what I'll be aiming for, alternatively use 1 zombie ring
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BZN5378B

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.1

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Necromancer (59) / Lich (34)

General:

▸ Health: 3,559, Regen: 72.1/s
▸ Mana: 181.51, Regen: 10.48/s
▸ Ward Retention: 323%, Regen: 50/s
▸ Attributes: 46 Str / 20 Dex / 110 Int / 13 Att / 64 Vit
▸ Resistances: 99% / 63% / 63% / 64% / 68% / 188% / 122%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 46%, Threshold: 712
▸ Dodge Chance: 36% (1274)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 32% (1,614)
▸ Block Chance: 59%, Mitigation: 27% (510)

Used skills:

Infernal Shade / Summon Volatile Zombie / Summon Skeleton / Sacrifice / Dread Shade

[lost gale]

you'll want chain sacrifice

each chain counts for flickering shadows

[winged flame]

Yeah you notice how it feels when playing it, I would like to hold down summon zombies with this

Maybe chain or not, would need to see how the mana is and if I would even take the other nodes on top of the tree on sacrifice

[lost gale]

combustion doesn't work with flickering shadows or enemy targeted shades very well

each time a zombie explodes it'll recast infernal shade

which doesn't cause an explosion on enemies

[winged flame]

Yeah I have it for testing basically so I don't forget, same goes with bleed nodes in sacrifice

[lost gale]

oh doom brand is bugged btw

it's casting the wrong spell on minion death and has much less damage than advertised

[winged flame]

Dang of course it is, just like bleed raptor

[lost gale]

yeah

maybe they fixed it?

LET is linking the right skill now

before it was linking the wrong one

and Mike said they knew about it and were going to fix it early in 1.3

[winged flame]

We'll see when I get to that point, I hope it works as intended

[lost gale]

godspeed

it's a really sweet build im

imo*

[winged flame]

Lots of investment, has to be good for sure

[charred ridge]

hows it coming along for you

whats the planner looking like now?

[brisk elk]

@charred ridge im working on some fun stuff with sentinel

my plan is to use javelin and switch between siege barage for orobyss and normal throw for corruption pushing

not sure if im gonna do ailment, smite or throwing tho

need to do dmg test

i want to test electrify dmg with harmony of the first

you can get about double the crit multi as before

[charred ridge]

harmony is still a sick item but after the pre-nerf i feel like it's gonna be lackluster on the defensive side

[brisk elk]

yeah this is more of like a zhp offscreen everything idea

[charred ridge]

the original version had so much dmg it didnt matter that you were lacking defense

[brisk elk]

like a marksman but a sentinel

[charred ridge]

now it's like

[brisk elk]

yeah they might have overnerfed it im ngl

i personally wish they made it so magic item actually meant two t5s

[charred ridge]

not 3x the dmg of other weapons/primordials

[brisk elk]

and made the buff per item bigger

[charred ridge]

it's only like 30-40% more dmg ish (depends on the build anyway could be more or less)

but you have 1/3rd of the ehp

cause no titan heart etc

[charred ridge]

i mean

i think that the intent of the item is very much to be used for leveling

not for endgame

if that's the goal then i think they were successful with it

and if it sees some use in the endgame on some weird zhp ideas

then even better

it's probably a fine, healthy item

[brisk elk]

yeah but imo "magic item" with two t7s and a sealed isnt the spirit of the item

[charred ridge]

idk

you might hate your life after crafting 8 of them so...

[brisk elk]

yeah i know

but it would be cooler if you were wearing actual blue gear

for a bigger boost

[charred ridge]

yeah iuno

i like that you can nerd out for 77s and be rewarded for it

in practice almost nobody will

[brisk elk]

i suppose

[charred ridge]

you can still do 75 with a t2 seal

[brisk elk]

now we need one for grey items

[charred ridge]

but 77 is insane

[brisk elk]

"grey items you wear have their implicit stats multiplied by 10"

[charred ridge]

you'd have to craft the mods that you want and then hit a removal

that's so insanely aids to craft

like think of all the items that you put in the sanctum

but instead of taking a 1 in 3 at the sanctum you need to hit a removal

and then a seal

[brisk elk]

i think the best strat is to go for t7 sealeds with that one weaver imprint

[charred ridge]

eh maybe

im not familiar with that node

i dont think it ever proc'ed anything on my loot filter so

[brisk elk]

its the least popular

mainly bc everyone uses legendaries so they dont want their best stats sealed

"champions sometimes drop a pile of items with a sealed affix matching one of the affixes on the imprinted item. The tier of the sealed affix can roll up to the tier of the corresponding affix on the item"

would take a while but champions are easy to target farm ig

theres so many ways to add them to maps

[charred ridge]

ye but ive heard ppl couldnt actually get the imprint to proc

[brisk elk]

might be bugged

[charred ridge]

even if you'd proc it, you'd most likely only get a sealed t7

[brisk elk]

like about 1000 other things

[charred ridge]

and white affixes

which wouldnt be better than a 77 with no seal

[brisk elk]

who knows

if thats how it works its basically a dead node

sadly

[charred ridge]

i mean im pretty sure it is

the description says nothing about printing an item similar to what you have

it just says

aite lemme look at one affix and seal that at a semi-random tier

and then the rest of the item is probably just randomly generated

with the rate at which imprints proc you'd be hard pressed to find a double exalt

[brisk elk]

yeah

[verbal belfry]

Hi guys, I feel like I've been really slowing down in my progression lately and I'm not sure what I should be focusing on to improve my build. Could anyone take a glance at my character and tell me if there's anything obvious I could improve (besides getting T7s, LP on my chest/belt/relic, or getting a red ring to drop since I'm working on all of those already) https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Paiadin/character/FlayMignon

I'm a flay lich btw

[serene lichen]

Harvest unspecced

[dark inlet]

would explain why I haven't seen any rune dagger piles 💀

[tight hawk]

Hello, what's the recommended mana flay lich guide floating around, if there is one? And does it have a starter variant?

[daring holly]

Does harvest double dmg on cursed enemies also gets doubled by warlocks chaotic strike?

If yes, harvest warlock with true sight glass might be insanely strong

Quad dmg with a 500℅crit multi... Sadly without flay for the aoe but chaos bolt can be used for indirect procs

[old hull]

Should

[old hull]

but doubtful

[tender ridge]

true, I get 10-12 on the lower ends per echo now. you can make things pretty chaotic compared to monos of old

multiple champions, ambush shades, ambush rift beasts

[tight hawk]

What's the suggested build if starting out as warlock leveling if you want to transition to mana Flay Mana lich, since there is no starting planner for that build?

[obtuse quest]

Yes.

But Chaotic strike is random enough that it wouldn't do THAt much dps

[obtuse quest]

Any leveling setup. You'll need to do a full respec anyway.

[tight hawk]

Ok sounds good, I picked one on Maxroll to use. What do you suggest to use after making it to endgame before I have the gear for mana flay?

[obtuse quest]

Staying on the leveling setup.

[tight hawk]

Ah ok, sorry

[versed fox]

The leveling setup is quite good

Acolyte feels pretty strong overall

[tight hawk]

The one using chthonic fissure?

[versed fox]

Oh. No idea. I thought it was a different one

Sorry lol

[tight hawk]

No no, don't be. Which one were you referring to?

I was looking at this one. https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/warlock-leveling-guide

[versed fox]

Hm. Not sure. I can't find it now

I did rip blood + aura of decay for the whole campaign, it was super ezpz. But I swapped to bleed flay, which seems way cheaper than mana flay

But way more mana problems lol

[tight hawk]

Hm I don't see that on Maxroll, there are only 2 leveling builds. I'll see if I can find it elsewhere.

Well if you happen to find the guide, let me know. I can't find it anywhere, but I appreciate your suggestion 🙂

[dusty onyx]

That's how you summon the power of the turtle

whhhy it didn't work

it was full of 2LP!

the symetry wasn't good. Next time I'll take a snake belt

[obtuse quest]

The heck is SW

Oh shattered

Reliquary multiplies your mana if running mana idols, which is a core damage multiplier in mana flay.

SW doesn't really beat that in offense.

[reef goblet]

Primordial unique tho

I already got another favorite.

[obtuse quest]

FOr offense picks, it's hard to beat Reliquary.

For defense, blossom is pretty top tier yeah

[reef goblet]

Interesting. I will try Reliquary mana stacking to enable flay.

It's seems most people play direct damage tho, while i'm theorycrafting a bleed focusing version.

[obtuse quest]

Mana flay works via these two nodes in Flay:

(The 1st one is less useful for DoT setups)

It's also why mana stacking is mostly used in crit setups.

[reef goblet]

I'm planning to use mana to ensure more procs, and use chaos bolts missing life as dot damage to scale.

[obtuse quest]

And you'll be delighted to hear that having 2k max mana is not a dream when you use a reliquary.

20 chaos bolts per flay use? Yes please.

[reef goblet]

I only have 200 atm.

[worthy arch]

hey guys this might be a terrible question but out of curiousity does wraithlord consume t rex or abomination?

[reef goblet]

I do have some mana idol so I should be able to get ~500-600

[obtuse quest]

Yes. It eats ANYTHING that isn't a wraith from summon wraiths.

[worthy arch]

boo.

[reef goblet]

Reminds me of summon reaper in poe.

[worthy arch]

really wanted to do like a cool abom/wraithlord build. too bad wraithlord isnt good apparently.

oh well thank you!

[reef goblet]

Nobody is using it because it eats other minions

[worthy arch]

yeah makes t rex useless

[obtuse quest]

Either people play it solo, or not at all.

If t rex doesn't exist it would still be toe to toe powerwise compared to abom

[reef goblet]

I have been playing ssf in poe for more than 20 leagues.

[worthy arch]

oh wow

[reef goblet]

and also playing ssf here

[obtuse quest]

Last season, the top necro builds were abom and wraithlord.

We had someone hitting 5k corruption with wraithlord last season lmao

[worthy arch]

holy

[obtuse quest]

Someone will probably reach 5k with current abom if they get good enough probably.

trex just buffs it so well

[steady plank]

the amount of back and foward necessary to snap shot a abom with 5 golems is so tedious

but we did it

[native bison]

is cold convert harvest the only way to play harvest flay? seems like the crit version isn't as strong

[grim field]

+necro or + dot on torment build?

[reef goblet]

iirc most snapshotting mechanics are removed this season?

[steady plank]

aboms still giga snap shotting ive been abusing it

[obtuse quest]

Both are the same, if you're talking about % increased.

[grim field]

o ok

[pearl snow]

Rekt

[fallow python]

Anyone have a build for this? 500+ hr never seen it before

[dusty onyx]

wow holy shit

[steady plank]

most golems u can get is 4 full sized 5 smaller (4 is better)

[dusty onyx]

2LP aaron

[steady plank]

its a decent build not comparable to abom but still solid

they needa speed up the animation it actually hits really hard but the abom takes so long to do the animation even with giga as/cs

[fallow python]

It looks cool and I know its rare but minion builds are balls I like being the damage dealer

[somber notch]

For the Flay Mana Lich build, which would provide better damage output: using a Rune dagger as the base weapon, or prioritizing armor shred on the weapon? This is assuming I have access to T8 necrotic damage. Any insights on the damage scaling differences would be appreciated!

[molten bramble]

If you have no other source of armor shred it will be armor shred

[somber notch]

Thanks for the clarification! Could you explain why armor shred takes priority when there's no other source? Is it because the weapon slot is the primary/only reliable way to get armor shred for this build, or is there something about the damage scaling that makes it more impactful than the rune dagger implicit bonuses?

[molten bramble]

Because an armor shredded target takes like 40-50% more damage. We have so many hits that we only really need 1 source to hit diminishing returns. No other stat is going to amp your damage that much on single target.

[somber notch]

Thank you so much for the helpful explanation. Have a wonderful day!

[lethal cairn]

finally beat uberroth with my flay mana lich.
https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/criticalghost/character/totoykarit

Take aways:

1. Everything he does 1 shots me except when I have death seal
2. Don't get hit

time to min-max!

[molten bramble]

You could just build like me and tank everything.

[lethal cairn]

there is such thing?!

[reef goblet]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dzr09xF_XYg&pp=0gcJCRsBo7VqN5tD

Casual 8k life lich

[molten bramble]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/bwz/character/bwzz

I can even sit through the first slam with death seal and core of the mountain proc

[lethal cairn]

I can Imagine. looks more tanky than my ES VK. hows the damage though?

[molten bramble]

It also has crazy dmg. You can out dmg uberoth healing in last phase.

[lethal cairn]

Will definitley try this out. Thanks!

[abstract summit]

Ds is love, ds is life

[molten bramble]

to be fair it is mostly core since the aoe death bubble dmg is immuned and I only have to survive the first hit.

[abstract summit]

Nah

It's continous damage actually

In the whole area

Learned that playing judgement last season lol

So im pretty sure ds saves you if you just stay there the full duration:D

Which is what im also doing on normal abby, ofc numbers are different

[molten bramble]

You let normal abby slam?

[abstract summit]

Nkt everybody is abusing marrow shard bugs mkay

[topaz marlin]

1.3.2 new meta KEKW /jk

[molten bramble]

Did we every find out what is bugged about it?

[abstract summit]

But i guess after 2 patches of literally not a single f mention of it it might as well be considered normal

Multiple things

Minion node and the boots flay interaction are the two major

Minion node is like 25x multi, the boots make deadly ploy apply again so like a 9x on a 9x

[molten bramble]

does that work with every minion?

[abstract summit]

I just saw Dread crashing out over the same thing and honestly agree with him, how are these bugs not just making the game but also not even getting addressed for weeks is beyond me

[molten bramble]

or just the boot minion?

[abstract summit]

I think somebody was doing it with bees but def works with boots skellies

I guess you could test it too, switch out skin w something else and should see your single target going down
If you look at Noobzor's video he needs to start getting some boots stacks before the one shot, got to 4, finally got a rip blood proc, that makes deadly apply again to flay's mshard as far as i understood, boom 250m hit follows

And he had only 4 minions up k think

[molten bramble]

I mean we are summonin volatile zombies with harvest

[abstract summit]

Minion node just gravy tbh the deadly square is the big thing

Dunno could prob work but if you wanna abuse it your run skin anyway

[molten bramble]

lol I have not played lich in 4 or 5 days

been playing frogs and reflect druid

which are like afk walk through map collect loot

[abstract summit]

I have been playing hollow palm monk 😂

[molten bramble]

I have never played poe

[abstract summit]

Im kinda doing the le-poe2-poe1 rotation over and over, good time to be an arpg fan lol

Wait wasnt reflect on shammy? Druid better now?

[molten bramble]

I think druid is better'

but you can do either

main difference is would you rather have 8 attunement or 20% health?

[abstract summit]

Once my eyes are fixed maybe give frogz a go, always wanted a bm

[molten bramble]

Frogs is more fun that reflect

but reflect is busted

especially for leveling

just equip on any char at 35 and walk to 80

[abstract summit]

Id be prob bored to death

[molten bramble]

Yeah it is pretty boring

I tried bear but that was agonizing

the bear was good on bosses but I never want to map clear with it

[gritty cargo]

ghostflame lich the most fun build

[steady plank]

auto infernal shade is p fun and explodes the screen just gotta figure out how i get it to kil lbosses

[hard hearth]

Hi @autumn bough ! Can you please link your latest updated Abomination build for mapping? 🙂 I saw your video and it is amazing!

[autumn bough]

its same as bossing no difference

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/planner/m1rm30qm#8

[wide lynx]

hi, love your videos

learned to clear my first uberroth

[autumn bough]

tyty 🩷

[autumn bough]

which build?

[wide lynx]

i use flay mana

[hard hearth]

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/planner/5oru80g1#8 @autumn bough this one is outdated?

Also, you said we use both Infernal Shade and Bone curse, snapshotting Infernal shade right?

[autumn bough]

its not really outdated but in link i posted its more optimized passive, i added 1 more minion for 6 passive points cause it adds actually significant dmg and more fun for people who love many minions to have more different minions to run around with

[autumn bough]

in latest videos i didnt, but you can if you want to. build does so much dmg that do you really need to?

[hard hearth]

Yeah i think you are right 😅

[autumn bough]

i personally dont even like infernal shade cause when you give so much movement speed to abom it breaks its ai in maps

[hard hearth]

yeah i agree! Its AI is terrible sometimes

[autumn bough]

with bone curse its more chill gameplay

[autumn bough]

GIGACHAD

[hard hearth]

I followed the Lizard guide until monos but i think your build is jest overall better

So i want to switch

[autumn bough]

i use defensive mode and just speedrun through monos no stopping russhing to objectves

[hard hearth]

better to have some gear at least before switching from the Liz one to yours?

[autumn bough]

we and liz made the guide together he just didnt update str as main version, its in his build as one of variations

[hard hearth]

Ooooooohh ok!!!!

[autumn bough]

i mean u really dont need much differeng geear, u dont need red ring can run with 2 phantoms as long as u slam with str, need helm/body with the right slams and cleaver(at least 1 lp)+bastion

or can run phantom+exalted ring to cap resists

[hard hearth]

Yeah, maybe better to at least have the cleaver before switching to the STR stacking version?

[autumn bough]

ye get cleaver 1lp at least

do u have low life gloves?

any base is fine for starting, just hitting t5-t7 low life is important and ideally str

gloves and cleaver probably most important

and helmet with crit slam

[hard hearth]

Alright! Yeah i have the gloves, still need the cleaver and the helmet

Also, why also use skellys?

[autumn bough]

wdym? on the bar?

[hard hearth]

yeah yeah sorry

[autumn bough]

u dont have to can put transplant especially for maps

im a new minion player so im going FULLL minion roleplaying

[hard hearth]

ahahaha sounds legit! xD

So mapping i can put trasplant instaed of skellyes right? xD (it usually save my ass many times xD)

[autumn bough]

but try out the latest version passive tree(its literally 6 different passive points) the revenant looks badass and does a lot of dmg if you have trex+str stacking

yes put transplant

[hard hearth]

Oh ok! I still dont have the Trex, but if it still does a lot more damage i will try it so! 🙂 https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/planner/5oru80g1#8 this one right?

[autumn bough]

no, https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/planner/m1rm30qm#8 this one

[hard hearth]

Oh ok!!!

Oh yeah its basically the same build with Revenants added right?

Being low life means we summon them every 15 secs?

[noble magnet]

What do you think about veil-based reflect warlock? Trade of some spike damage with speed farming ability?

[wide lynx]

for gloves, do you guys prefer blood mage or vise for flay mana?

[obtuse quest]

Veil's cd kinda L though

[lost gale]

the reflect that veil penance scales off is not the kind that thicket of light scales off btw

veil penance scales off the % of damage reflected kind and it is never going to be serious damage

otherwise I don't really see the synergy of warlock or veil with the reflect build

[topaz marlin]

hey guys, does Julra's Obsession's "stats apply to minion" apply for slammed legendary affixes too?

[noble magnet]

Veil for survival and some boss damage, rip blood for hazelroot.
Hazelroot for attunement to physical point damage.
I mean, even without that much of synergy, if it can keep about 20-30% of bossing dps of standard veillock it still seems good to me as an option to deal with reflect build bossing issues?

[lost gale]

yeah that's the point of the item really, attack/cast speed or shred or frailty to minions

[obtuse quest]

Ye

[obtuse quest]

Veil without curses and cast speed= no damage.

Veillock's damage purely scales from this node and Torment, and I don't think you can scale that even remotely decently while trying to build for reflect.

[quaint turret]

hello, currently level 30. which of the primordial items should it try to save for tha would be really helpful a this stage?

[topaz knot]

What build are you using

[obtuse quest]

Primordial choice sorely depends on build.

[quaint turret]

the acolyte guide from maxiroll. using chaos bolts and fissure

[lost gale]

thicket of blinding light will turn most of the campaign into a walking simulator but unlike for primalist & sentinel it's not really a good long term plan for acolyte

like if you really mean what will be good in the next 20 levels then thicket is goated

but if you're planning longer term then ignore it

[topaz knot]

The wand with + to int skills will prob be good for a while

Not great

But good

[quaint turret]

my assumption is i can get one like what you said thicket of blinding light, then later on get another one that is more useful. is there also a tier on the item?(like if i get now i get a lowtiered primordiial item vs when i get one a lvl 70)

[lost gale]

no, they just have different level requirements

[obtuse quest]

All uniques only have one version.

[lost gale]

horn of the bone wisp is probably your best bet, I hadn't realised it was only lvl req 31

+3-4 to INT skills and +INT along with +flat damage will carry you for a long long time

getting + to skills will get you to the powerful stuff ahead of time during levelling rather than getting you more marginally good nodes at endgame

[topaz knot]

It rly is just casually+50 spell dmg

[quaint turret]

thank you @topaz knot @lost gale !! makes alot of sense

[urban dust]

is there any interesting build related to this uniq?

[brave hearth]

What's everyone's experience with abom eternal arrow. Right now I'm just using stomp and double strike to get damage from warriors but wonder if there's anything missing

I hit the dummy for 5 million+ on double strike

[carmine harbor]

we use it on mana flay atm.

[craggy flicker]

hey peeps, how r people getting double mana weaver idols

[obtuse quest]

Pray to RNGesus

[arctic tree]

Hello, good morning everyone. My abomination, when it hits, it takes away life and dies. Am I doing something wrong? Please help.

[obtuse quest]

DId you take the node that cuts it's skill cooldowns but makes it cost health per cast?

[arctic tree]

apparently that was it thanks

[charred ridge]

prophecies

[winged dirge]

Hi guys, I am currently playing the harvest flay lich on max roll, it feels so clunky to play. I have to sprint in between packs to not leave reaper form. If I pick up drops or mouse over to compare items in echoes that's it, I'll be out of reaper form and have to wait a long time to turn back into reaper. Is this normal or am I doing something wrong?

[obtuse quest]

somewhat normal, without being fully geared reaper form will drop almost instantly out of combat. Fully geared will give you a few seconds of leeway, but otheriwse yeah, it's all moving no stopping.

[carmine harbor]

hey guys im looking at noobzors tanky lich build atm and he is using pale ox on the chest as 2 LP with % health and % mana on it. i only have a 1LP pale ox would you go for the health or mana% for the 1lp

[winged dirge]

Ok ur right, I'm still working on the LP's for the gear, my gear is very bare bones. Does mana flay on max roll feel the same?

[brave hearth]

Ok so why do no guides recommend tail stomp on abom. I am hitting for 27 million with that lol

[worthy arch]

Holy wraithlord is so much fun lol using it with rip blood to add more damage and buff my minions with blood infusion

Way less tedious then abom+Dino and I can use architects of astral blood to be a chunky boy

[obtuse quest]

Slow ahh animation apprently

[charred ridge]

reaper form is reaper form no matter what happens

but lich is still very capable in maps outside of reaper form

being in form certainly helps, but as you get more and more gear, being out of form will become less and less of an issue

[winged dirge]

Okok ty for the info, my first time playing lich. Aww man would be nice to perma reaper form to rp harbinger of death. 😭 ill continue to try to improve and get more levels and see how it feels, currently not to my liking how anxiety inducing it feels to want to keep reaper form up 100%

[charred ridge]

lower your expectations

reaper form will never be perma uptime

like mathematically it's just not how it works

and it's not a problem unless you make it one

see it as a long duration buff, not a baseline

[carmine harbor]

hey noob im following your build for tanky lich. if you had one LP ox chest would you go for the % health or mana?

[obtuse quest]

The only way reaper form can be always up is during combat.

[charred ridge]

depends on your goals

[carmine harbor]

uber abby is my next goal

[charred ridge]

mana is absolutely crucial to your dps output

[winged dirge]

Yeah that makes sense tyvm for ur reply and advice

[charred ridge]

if you have bad mechanical skills you can slam hp% and prepare for a long slogfest of a fight

tho tbh even without mana rolls u might still get it done in 4-5 minutes lol idk i havent tried

if you're more capable of dodging and handling the fight you can use a valeroot or an exsanguinous with mana%

[carmine harbor]

might slam the mana and go from there. thanks mate

[charred ridge]

glgl

if im being real the tanky stuff is just a mapping setup

if you can kill uber in less than 1 min there's no reason to not just do that

[craggy flicker]

you need a mage base for % mana right?

[charred ridge]

no

rogue/sentinel

[craggy flicker]

oh lol

well thanks 🙂 im excited to swap to valeroot and try uber for first time

[carmine harbor]

i was just getting destroyed so needed to get a bit tankier i dont have enough stat for red rings to proc the 20% dr because i havent got them 1LP yet

[molten bramble]

Instead of using pale ox core of the mountain might be a better choice it gives a bunch of stats to activate red rings and if you want to do dmg the pet sac node in marrow shards is bugged and does a bunch of dmg so you do not even benefit from the redirection of pale ox. If you want some ideas on getting tanky you can look at my char. It tanks pretty much everything on uberoth and kills ~1 min. https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/bwz/character/bwzz

Woven Flesh can be a budget chest piece too

[charred ridge]

ye mountain is def a strong choice on the same amount of lp

i wouldve slammed one if i had 2lps but i cba farming

i mostly use pale ox for the movement speed tbh

[carmine harbor]

cool ill have a look ty.

[molten bramble]

I got lucky tbh and my first one turned out ok but it is a pain to farm 2lp and a good roll on all stats

[charred ridge]

yeah exactly

[carmine harbor]

the whole reason of vale is for the flat mana right?

[charred ridge]

pale ox is probably the preferred option once they fix mshards

cause you'll actually benefit from DR

[charred ridge]

yeah

but unless you're pushing corruption i think you'd either want an ox/kestrel for movement speed in maps or just a valeroot for bossing

damn you have a crazy 2lp idol

too bad it missed the slam

[molten bramble]

Yeah

the idol was crazy but it got a decent miss

[molten bramble]

need a roll of void res somewhere

[charred ridge]

i slammed this yday, 10 rerolls and got nothing xdd

i use 2x red ring so i dont need res

[molten bramble]

I perfer font

[craggy flicker]

im hoping to find 1lp red rings soon haha

[molten bramble]

it give all the ward gen I need and has good stats

[charred ridge]

i dont think the ward is actually really meaningful but i do think it feels great to see the ward go up using font

well not with my level of gear anyway

font sounds great on a budget but for our gear level i'd take a red ring

doesnt matter all that much anyway if you're not dying but red ring does have 8% ms

[molten bramble]

I could try without font and go double red ring and see how it feels

[charred ridge]

give it a shot

either way i dont think it really matters, you're so tanky you won't die

but the ms is nice

are you not using frailty on your ignite idol?

[craggy flicker]

im still tryna hunt a frailty ignite idol myself

[molten bramble]

no do not have frailty

[charred ridge]

red ring could help with ele res and let you get frailty too

[dusty onyx]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/monomugu/character/Zoey what can I do to upgrade the build? I'm doing okay damage wise at 600c (still far worse than lich) but I get KO by anything that touch my body. I have to constantly pay attention.

6k ward isn't enough

[charred ridge]

lich is so tanky anyway for a moment i gave up immortal vise to get swiftness from phantom mire gloves

but losing evade didnt really feel that much better so i ended up keeping vise lol

[abstract summit]

Pale ox gang represent

DR and MS and STR, beteg chest

[molten bramble]

I wish all the low life nodes work with corrupted form

[slim niche]

Uhm, you are not crit-capped on your hits, right? You need 750% of increased poison damage to crit-cap via acid skin

[craggy flicker]

i dunno how u feel tanky lol i always feel squishy lol

[molten bramble]

I feel the same way replacing vise, etc. I always feel like I randomly fall over in 1k corruption (which I hate), so I tend to build it where I can almost never die.

[charred ridge]

it's just gear

[craggy flicker]

i mean im dying at 600 but i havnt got vise yet (working on uber)

[charred ridge]

tankiness in LE = gear

[slim niche]

also, why dont you have the pearls necklace that automates acid skin to hit everyone who gets hit by bone curse, wildfire embers is shit

[dusty onyx]

wildfire embers enables me to overstack fire res into ignite chance

by itself it gives me +350 ignite

[slim niche]

yea, and your main damage dealer should be whip, no?

[dusty onyx]

whip scale from ignite

[slim niche]

yea I know

[craggy flicker]

uber autos 1 shot me lol

[slim niche]

I play whiplock 😄

[charred ridge]

sounds like u need gear or also just one shot it before it takes a turn

[craggy flicker]

im probs not geared enough

i just finished 1lp on everything apart from rings

[slim niche]

whip scale from pure ignite chance, not from how many ignites are running on a mob

[dusty onyx]

yeah I got that covered. 900+% ignite chance

bossing is like super easy

clearing map can be hard when I'm caught off guard with veil in cd

[slim niche]

this is mine, i am farming 1000c : https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/kapteenikuolio/character/Akka

[dusty onyx]

maybe I'm just lacking some level

[worthy arch]

Can you have multiple dreadshades on wraithlord?

[dusty onyx]

I'll change my skill tree I guess

wait

The leech from melee works for everything with hollow lich?

it sounds really stupid

[slim niche]

yea thats one of the basis of the build

[dusty onyx]

it sounds incorrect gameplay wise. It should only boost melee damage.

If I were to design the node, that's how I would do it

though

Yeah I understand now

sounds easy with 300% free inc damage

[slim niche]

you can get it on weapon and then on gloves, weapons has the largest amount, though gloves .. is ~12% (so 120% increase in damage) if i recall correct

[dusty onyx]

I know

[slim niche]

t7

[dusty onyx]

I get it why you can os everything

infinite crit mult from necro res

infinite dmg from free inc because of a single node

you can afford to go on a budget and do crazy stuff

[slim niche]

dont forget; that melee leach to damage conversion alse gets you crit chance

[dusty onyx]

I know

Inc poison dmg

that's just silly

[slim niche]

your survivability comes from 100% critchance and giga-damage, because you have highly increased stun chance from uncapped necrotic ress

when you start to really slap, everything is stunned, so no need to giga-ward or hp-pool

this is ultimately a CC build

[obtuse quest]

The same answer as "Can you have multiple dread shades on the same minion?"

[dusty onyx]

I still think it's dumb af and it's probably unintended that node gives so much power through melee leech

because normaly, when you play as lich, you have natural high leech rate, and you don't need to go through that loophole

and you lose value since one node give leech on hit. Hollow lich just take the highest

it makes 0 sense

[slim niche]

well, it has been like that for ages, so IDK

oh, and it was changed in 1.3, it got nerfed, used to be 10% more damage per % leech

so in that way, devs have taken a look and though "yea close enough" 😄

[dusty onyx]

Lol

I think they completely mistook the way that nod should be revamped

because as lich, it's fine as is

[obtuse quest]

X damage as leech always converted since hollow lich existed

The given example literally uses spell damage as leech as the example last time.

[dusty onyx]

whatever. I made my point clear. I won't abuse that. I think it's just broken from a design standpoint. They probably make it that way because it's easier to implement and it enables an archetype that isn't really great by itself and think "yeah, close enough."

[obtuse quest]

If it didn't, there really isn't much generic leech for hollow lich to use otherwise.

Kinda makes it ass rn since it's a 3 pointer if it only worked with generic leech

[dusty onyx]

I don't think it's ass

[obtuse quest]

IF it only worked with generic leech, it would be kind of ass

[dusty onyx]

Yeah that's exactly what I mean

[obtuse quest]

Mostly because there's so little sources of generic leech

[dusty onyx]

lich is at 20 just from taking all the leech node without even investing into the spell version of leech

and get more leech in lich form if you get the node as well

it's def not bad

it's also "more dmg" since it triggers the previous node

[obtuse quest]

I don't think increased leech works for hollow lich

Unless that got changed

[dusty onyx]

increased leech boost all kind of leech so it work. I have it on my current lich

[obtuse quest]

Damn, that's a wild buff

[dusty onyx]

I do see the difference in damage

[obtuse quest]

It didn't work in old hollow

[dusty onyx]

not leech rate though

[obtuse quest]

Rate doesn't work as intended, it shouldnt

[dusty onyx]

rate only modifies the speed at which the damage is dealth though scornfull blood

[obtuse quest]

So, assuming conditional leech doesn't work..

[dusty onyx]

It should only boost the damage according to type

if you get melee leech, it should boost melee damage

[obtuse quest]

Oh

[dusty onyx]

spell leech, spell damage

and so on

that's what I thought it should have been

[obtuse quest]

I thought you meant "ANy conditional leech doesn't work at all for hollow"

[charred ridge]

it does not work

[obtuse quest]

So does it or does it not

[charred ridge]

what works is that increased leech gives you... increased leech

so you will do more damage via scornful

[obtuse quest]

Hollow doesn't convert increased leech then I assume

[charred ridge]

because scornful does more damage based on your actual HP leech

you will not get increased% dmg from increased% leech via hollow lich

[obtuse quest]

So old rules.

[charred ridge]

yeah

i mean increased leech is still a very strong offensive stat for scornful

it just doesnt give you inc% dmg

[dusty onyx]

it's weird though since they just made Accursed Feast

[charred ridge]

accursed feast is for scornful

[slim niche]

@dusty onyx clearly devs dont intend it to be tied to type, like spell or melee, and only boost that damage, because even the description of the node says "increased damage" in example, meaning pure non-categorized damage

[obtuse quest]

It's for scornful and actual leech, not hollow

Don't think it was made with hollow in mind other than the base 6%

[brazen wigeon]

I still think lich mastery passive should be more damage and not increased damage

is any1 else steam very very slow?

[charred ridge]

i also kind of agree, unfortunately it'd come with one major issue

that every single lich build would have to run low life builds

[obtuse quest]

Silksong released, it's crashing steam servers lmao

[charred ridge]

but yes the mastery bonus could use a rework

unfortunately it won't get one considering lich literally just got their rework so it probably won't be looked at again for a while

[brazen wigeon]

you pay a price for it like...not usable with reaper form much and leech would counter it heavily

[brazen wigeon]

maybe they forgot to adress it? 🙂

I got question, why does abom use evolution's end? wouldn't smth else be better?

like death rattle for 65 crit mult and 10 intelligence

[obtuse quest]

The leech issue is solved by hollow lich lmao

[brazen wigeon]

yeah but trade is that you lose leech

the sustain I mean

[obtuse quest]

Hollow makes the trade much less painful.

[brazen wigeon]

you have to compensate by ward / health on hit/regen

[obtuse quest]

But you DO have to build around it.

[obtuse quest]

Exsang combo exists so it's not that big of an issue by itself

[charred ridge]

you can have leech and death seal at low hp

or you can run scornful and similar things

[brazen wigeon]

like...mage's mastery is more damage already

based on mana cost

no issue here

[charred ridge]

or you can run corrupted form and play completely normally and stay at 50% hp the whole time

[obtuse quest]

Because they don't have mana gain so it forces gainer and spender setups

[dusty onyx]

bloodrip can make you survive without needing to leech

[brazen wigeon]

any1 can help with abom build

[craggy flax]

should add in Chaos Bolts too, gives spell damage + cast speed to your minions and can have it proc rip blood

[half kelp]

does uberroth have same loot table as normal abe

[earnest lichen]

Same with the added relic and gloves that are Uber only

[charred ridge]

https://lastepoch.tunklab.com/npc/Aterroth
https://lastepoch.tunklab.com/npc/UberAterroth

[worthy arch]

Very good idea sir.

Thank you!

[orchid heron]

Does the "Crimson Gluttony" passive in Acolyte and "Mind over Body" consider the already 50% missing health from using "Corrupted Form" as Lich?

[obtuse quest]

The missing health gained as ward? ALl of those effects consider the missing health from corrupted form

[half kelp]

YAAASSSS

[orchid heron]

oh great. couldn't figure it changing anywhere in the tooltip/character information screen

[earnest lichen]

Gzz

[obtuse quest]

Because missing health gain as ward is never tracked by the character sheet.

[timber hawk]

hi o/, help please, I'm rolling necromancer and when I'm trying to select chaos bolts from the bottom bar skill list it just doesn't appear on the list.

[obtuse quest]

You need 5 points in warlock to use chaos bolt.

[timber hawk]

ty 😀

[craggy flax]

do you gain stacks of Spirit Battery if your minions kill and it's not you doing the killing?

[obtuse quest]

No

[craggy flax]

thank you

[winged flame]

@lost gale I did some changes cause it was overlapping the shades everytime, tried ghostmaker and uhh atm it can hit something like this

Really hard to see the dmg but it could be more and less ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[craggy flax]

them some numbers

which build was that?

[winged flame]

err infernal shade DoT

[craggy flax]

oh using the 2 sets and skele respawns?

[winged flame]

Pretty much but it seems to not be that important so you could use any primordial for helm/relic/ring/amulet if you would want to this time

But yeah set glove and set shield

Technically off-hand too

[craggy flax]

don't need the set shield affix for respawns?

[winged flame]

80% respawn or 100% with shield, depends if you want to summon a few skeletons from time to time or not

For me this is fully automated, I could technically go afk

[craggy flax]

you get more shades from the glove set bonus when using the ring, so that's probably good too

[winged flame]

4 or 5 is good enough it seems, has nice clear anyways

[craggy flax]

you got a planner to share?
sounds interesting to play

[winged flame]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/A1Pq0lOo

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.1

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Necromancer (64) / Lich (28)

General:

▸ Health: 3,992, Regen: 72.1/s
▸ Mana: 126.51, Regen: 10.48/s
▸ Ward Retention: 295%, Regen: 110/s
▸ Attributes: 46 Str / 20 Dex / 107 Int / 13 Att / 64 Vit
▸ Resistances: 72% / 72% / 72% / 64% / 68% / 228% / 122%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 46%, Threshold: 798
▸ Dodge Chance: 36% (1257)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 37% (1,985)
▸ Block Chance: 59%, Mitigation: 27% (510)

Used skills:

Infernal Shade / Summon Volatile Zombie / Summon Skeleton / Sacrifice / Summon Wraith

[craggy flax]

cheers ty

[brazen wigeon]

sound very interesting

tell me if it can solo ubberoth 😄

why sacrifice node? cruelty already casts it...

[winged flame]

I'm not there yet

[brazen wigeon]

and no puke? otherwise zombie blows right away without sacrifice

but if they puke they survive for 2 second for cruelty to trigger on them

there is also this node

tho mana might be issue

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Bx80RNOB I'm theoried warlock with cruelty but it's very rough

[stuck owl]

Warlock, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.1

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Necromancer (27) / Warlock (66)

General:

▸ Health: 1,407, Regen: 22/s
▸ Mana: 115.05, Regen: 4.7/s
▸ Ward Retention: 143%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 25 Str / 11 Dex / 42 Int / 11 Att / 12 Vit
▸ Resistances: 35% / 22% / 22% / 0% / 38% / 99% / 24%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 64%, Threshold: 281
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (44)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 13% (378)
▸ Block Chance: 41%, Mitigation: 26% (480)

Used skills:

Sacrifice / Summon Skeleton / Summon Volatile Zombie / Chthonic Fissure / Infernal Shade

[brazen wigeon]

it needs legend entiwned for the double set

[winged flame]

The dmg will happen once the zombie dies, it needs to die asap. Cruelty wouldn't work since zombie needs to die so it cast shade which gets more multipliers directly after chaining

[brazen wigeon]

tho

[brazen wigeon]

it sets it to 2 second, with 6 zombies rotating along with skeletons it should be automated

[winged flame]

If you would cast shade manually you could overcast it and deal no dmg

[brazen wigeon]

the damage also stacks (as it is mentione in node)

so if 6 zombies boom it will be 1500% more damage for remaining 2 seconds?

[winged flame]

No it will reset the more multiplier to 0

It will overcast the shade

Every zombie explosion = 1 shade cast, so it gets casts again and again, losing the more multiplier

In monos it won't matter, against champions etc and bosses only 1 needs to explode

[brazen wigeon]

ah right, but only for zombies no?

[winged flame]

Yeah, if you manually cast it once it's probably not a problem. Just maybe more jank gameplay? 😅

[brazen wigeon]

theoreticaly you could also use abomination 😄

[winged flame]

Spamming wraith minions makes it get soooo much more dmg though so you would want that

[brazen wigeon]

would abomination eat wraithlord?

[winged flame]

No clue but by killing skeletons you get mana back, otherwise you would maybe go out of mana

[brazen wigeon]

I know I have exploding necro

tho it uses skeletal mages to blow up skeletons

[craggy flax]

idk but Wraithlord will eat Abom

[brazen wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/godzilla-vs-kong-fight-eat-this-battle-gif-16084420

[craggy flax]

so you just summon the skeletons once then walk around spamming wraith summons and the screen blows up?

[winged flame]

yeah or summon a few zombies in monos

[craggy flax]

you just dropping Dreadshade on bosses or something?

[winged flame]

Occasionally on a wraith if I can, mostly just spamming those. Didn't set up the skills in the bar correctly xD

[half kelp]

choosing a one guaranteed affix is so luxury holy shit

never again failing 10+ slams

[lost gale]

you should consider the hellfire node

[winged flame]

You think that would work?

[craggy flax]

is it worth spec'ing into Wraiths since they are just fodder and instead spec into Dreadshade?
can boost your damage and either take Doom brands or use it to automate Zombies

[lost gale]

the targeting is a little unreliable with zombies triggering shades but it totally works and they can overlap and stack damage

I think it's the best way to do flickering shadows

you don't want to take the nodes that increase damage but decrease radius though, you really need the AOE to get reliable damage

zombies cast them faster than the cooldown on hellfire too

so you can get a lot of shades out

[winged flame]

Tested doom brand, it did 0 dmg, would be good if you're near the AoE if you are affected by it but I think wraiths just makes it deal more dmg than the shade can?
Feel free to test it out

[craggy flax]

one day Doom brand will be good

[winged flame]

That would solve the zombies ruin the overlap from flickering

[winged flame]

Yeah... It was my first idea since at the beginning I had 6 zombies and 8 skeletons always exploding which would be a lot of doom brand dmg but it hit like a wet noodle with a tiny AoE

[craggy flax]

if you aren't really using Dreadshade is staying Necro worth it over Warlock?

*or Lich

[winged flame]

Only worth to be necro for +2 skeletons and use wraiths/dread, otherwise you could be any. Found none of them make a huge difference though

[craggy flax]

oh forgot about Wraiths being Necro only

[winged flame]

Once thought about fissure, but that could maybe make the build worse lol

[craggy flax]

ya Fissure shoots out zombies way too slow

[winged flame]

Ye and makes Infernal shade deal its dmg immedietly

Dunno if it would make the interaction better or worse

[craggy flax]

could maybe may it work with Profane Veil, it spits out Zombies a bit faster

[urban egret]

Hi all, is there a reason wraithlord seems to have fallen off? i cant find anything on it for 1.3

[pearl snow]

In general it should still be good. It just can’t take advantage of some of the new shiny stuff like Trex Relic and can’t do Uberroth afaik

So you may not see guides / new stuff about it

It hit 5k+ corruption last league and I doubt even a passive tree change could kill that power

[winged flame]

It did get tankier though from the minions change this patch, might be able to survive hits and can maybe do uber? No clue.

[urban egret]

Why cant it take advantage of the trex?

[craggy flax]

to take full advantage of the trex relic, the minion needs to do Phys damage

and be melee

[urban egret]

Ah, i see.

Makes more sense.

[lost gale]

the wraithlord will just eat the T-rex won't it?

[craggy flax]

but I am sure of you take the 1.2 Wraithlord build, add in something like the Bones Primordial
adjust some stats, it would be a fair bit stronger

[craggy flax]

yes it eats Trex

but you still get the roar

I played with that a bit, Trex spawns, roars then gets eaten lol

[urban egret]

Lol!

Wonder if he gains anything good for eating him

[craggy flax]

but ya you could use this on the Wraithlord and it would work pretty well
https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/UAwRgzALBDsQ

[pearl snow]

Pair that with Wall of Nothing

[craggy flax]

oh ya

and maybe some foot of the mountain boots with dodge stacking shenanigans

then dodge turns into endurance threshold which turns into more ward

[winged flame]

Would that make re-attach do nothing then since it's not attaching to a enemy?

[lost gale]

yes, the re-attach is buggy and bad in my experience anyway

flickering shadows kills the duration anyway so there's little opportunity to re-attach in the first place

hellfire just sits on the ground, never attaches to anything, and damages enemies in the AOE

the 10% more damage per second up to 180% more damage node works with hellfire btw

[winged flame]

Probably won't do anything since it's reduced to 2 seconds

[lost gale]

you can refresh that 2s with dread shade

[lost cliff]

yo guys am trying to switch to flay mana and cant seem to get the axe

[pearl snow]

Use Prophecies its just rng

Or ascending axes and pray

[craggy flicker]

NecroticFleshEater - ThatManDo - Character Profiles - Last Epoch Tools https://share.google/GH6HBBjVPdzoGZ4i3

What would you focus on for upgrades on next on flay mana lich

[winged flame]

Hellfire is veeeery buggy lmao

It just put the shades out randomly lmao

[lost gale]

They're not quite random but I agree they're not well aimed

I still think you get better performance on average with hellfire than enemy attached shades though

and you can't really use minion attached shades with the sacrifice flickering shadows side of things

they just do too much damage to the minion and/or the minion gets sacrificed out from under them

[winged flame]

No idea but I think I just miss my target

[lost gale]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-x90sd09reU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6P55u1gBeU

You can see how hellfire works vs uber and a mono in a similar build here

the accuracy isn't perfect but it's good enough considering the amount of damage shades do

with flickering shadows

[winged flame]

Sometimes it can deal a lot of dmg yeah

On a dummy I miss most of the shades unless I place 1 on them 😅

I saw 21m on zombie spam with max wraiths out (I think)

[lost cliff]

yo guys cab some help idk whats wrong with the build

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/A2jw4jzA

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 91

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.1

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (79) / Warlock (5)

General:

▸ Health: 1,794, Regen: 19.68/s
▸ Mana: 123.16, Regen: 10.88/s
▸ Ward Retention: 108%, Regen: 6/s
▸ Attributes: 24 Str / 12 Dex / 54 Int / 8 Att / 12 Vit
▸ Resistances: 21% / 40% / 3% / 8% / 21% / 60% / 52%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 538
▸ Dodge Chance: 8% (218)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 29% (1,270)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 100%

Used skills:

Reaper Form / Flay / Chaos Bolts / Marrow Shards / Harvest

[craggy flicker]

you wont really be able to play this version of the build withough like 800 mana

[lost cliff]

how do i do that

[craggy flicker]

legendaries

if you scroll up a tiny bit you will see my build planner

you need to farm almost this level of gear to play this build

but i think there are also better players gear to look at hahaha

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/ThatManDo/character/NecroticFleshEater

here it is

[pearl snow]

Now what do we think about me adding this into an Ignite build lmao.
Cb proc Harvest proc zombie proc shade lol

[winged flame]

Idk why but my targeting is NOTHING like that haha

[craggy flax]

maybe it's because of the Stench node in Rip Blood?

[winged flame]

Could be

[winged flame]

The area of effect seem to help at least

[worthy arch]

I was debating on this and wall of nothing or ancestral blood and scales of lemniscate

I think im leaning towards ancestral blood and scales

[winged flame]

Love when this happens.. Got 9 maximum skeletons and 100% chance to be resummoned

[native bison]

Any scornful hollowlich builds out there for lich?

[somber notch]

I'm playing Circle of Fortune - do I need to level up a different class character to get a helmet with % mana stats?

[versed fox]

yes, mana % can only appear on rogue and sentinel gear

[somber notch]

my gosh

[versed fox]

as acolytes we can get flat +mana

there's also some mana% on idols

[somber notch]

I think combining flat mana and % mana on a helmet would be really powerful, but having to level a new character for this is making me hesitate. Is it worth the time investment?

[versed fox]

I think you are confused. You cannot get +mana% on an acolyte.

It is exclusively for sentinels and rogues

I think we're still the best class for mana stacking, fwiw

I think mage got supplanted

[somber notch]

Thank you! Then I'll focus on increasing HP to improve my survivability!

[versed fox]

🤘

[craggy flicker]

You can put % mana on unique gear for acolyte tho as it's not fully exclusive

Most people are running % mana + flat mana on their helms now for flay lich

[versed fox]

That's wild, I had no idea

Man. Now I gotta change my filters. 😭

[topaz marlin]

helo, how does this passive work? is it cumulative 5% > 1% or 5% each res? so letssay if I had overcapped Fire (3%), Lightning (12%), Cold (11%), Necrotic (14%); is that (3+12+11+14) divided by 5 = 8% pen OR 0%. 2%, 2%. 2% = 6% pen? bcuz that matters quite abit

[old hull]

It applies individually per resist. For example, if you have 80% necrotic res, your minions get 1% necrotic pen.

[craggy flicker]

Haha it's a pain in the ass to find helmets ATM for me

Finding a few 2LP body armours for the same thing is my next problem, I want one pale ox and one valeroot lol

[topaz marlin]

alright so if I need the pen I could just focus on that res? gotcha

[old hull]

Right, if your minions only deal cold damage, then cold res is the only one that will benefit them. Also, it doesn't round so 1% resist = 0.2% pen

[topaz marlin]

oh well idk how much is decimal pen gonna do lol but pen is pen I guess

[brisk elk]

man i really hope they fix wildfire embers soon

its such a cool item

[topaz marlin]

another question : will this node spawn giant zombos on indirect casts? (minions deaths etc)
I feel like the zombos are still tiny but they consume the same amount of mana it's kinda...unfair??

[fleet reef]

report it in game (f8)

[charred ridge]

when you design an item so bad everybody just assumes it's bugged

[obtuse quest]

Chance to summon from indirect casts is the line that matters for your question. That means it has a 10% chance of giving you a zombie at all. (Does not change revives)

[topaz marlin]

indirect cast I assume is from triggered abilities right?

will the triggered cast be a giant zombo if it does trigger, I mean

or will this node only summon a giant zombo on direct cast?

I honestly would love to test it out but s2g I can't see jack with all the minions n mobs hahah

[versed fox]

Yes

[versed fox]

Also yes

The intent is to make one big nuclear zombie

[drowsy ocean]

quick question about throwing dmg node in necromancer tree - does it onlny benefit rogues with acid flask? or is there more?

[wintry flame]

Revenant has an ability that scales with throwing it's labeled as a melee attack tho (https://www.lastepochtools.com/minions/revenant), then yes Rogue's have shuriken and the flask.

[obtuse quest]

Yes. If not it will just be a single normal small zombie

[drowsy ocean]

ah ok

[worthy arch]

Hey guys is there a reason why my minion crit chance isnt displaying the same on my character sheet? For example i have a ring with 2% and idols with 35% minion crit chance but on my character sheet it shows 24% minion crit chance.

[wintry flame]

one is flat crit, so it's added the other from idols in increased so
(base + flat crit) * (1 + sum(increased/decreased crit))

[worthy arch]

Thank you

[half relic]

Is abominal the best choice for a minion build this season?

[quick flower]

the corrupted form always low life still bug and not consider as low life?

[lost gale]

you'll never sustain mana i think, maybe if you have some way of having skellies die a lot that doesn't cost mana like abomination but that's very janky

unspecialised abomination & specialised dread shade maybe could work

also it is basically impossible to summon abom without including zombies if you have the zombie chance on death node

[half kelp]

hell yeah got 2lp tithe with good rolls

but i dont have any melee necro + spell dmg shards

where the heck do they come from

[serene lichen]

@acoustic fable are we playing acolytes rn show me the secret techniques

How do we do infinite dots, health or damage pls helps

Who knows the bugs

[gritty cargo]

ghostflame

[obtuse quest]

My man peter shills ghostflame and ONLY ghostflame

[gritty cargo]

I dont come in this server for a few days and you're always here it's hilarious

[acoustic fable]

Wat bugs i don't know any bugs

[lyric idol]

I love ghostflame I wish we had a mana guide type unique for it

[obtuse quest]

This is the only channel that I appear in for this server lmao

[shrewd valley]

Is aura of decay bad to use early now? I'm almost constantly at deaths door because of it, never had that issue in previous leagues.

[lost gale]

You can probably go exsanguinous as soon as you get it and be okay

with bleed AoD

[shrewd valley]

I did, and that made my hp tick down way faster

I'm so low that I get one tapped from all normal mobs that I don't oneshot 😭

Even when focusing on phys res, and reducing the damage taken in the aura

[carmine harbor]

hey guys been trying to farm red ring for days and wondering if the imprint is actually working for you? had a 1LP one in there and still havent seen it drop from anything other then prophecies

[lost gale]

well yeah you don't maintain hp with exsang, you have ward instead but exsang stops the bleed damaging you

[shrewd valley]

I'm just very stupid. I forgot what exsanguinus was and assumed it was the phys conversion node..

[lost gale]

nah it's a chest armor which drains your current hp but gives you ward based on your missing hp & when you're low-life you're unaffected by bleed

[shrewd valley]

Gotta get that chest. That would help a lot. Thanks! Completely forgot about it.

Also, does death seal remove ward still?

[lost gale]

it only requires lvl 23

no death seal doesn't do that now

death seal has a considerably longer cooldown though, it's more of a defensive panic button than a high uptime dps buff now

[shrewd valley]

Thanks!
Yeah, used it a lot previously. Just need to get one to drop..

[swift forge]

Man I really hope they push a fix out soon for Corrupted Form. I wanna be considered low life all the time like is intended. I think our dmg will skyrocket

[shrewd valley]

Doesn't it work?

[swift forge]

Nope

[swift forge]

Isn't it's cd like... 5 seconds?

Maybe less, I can't remember 100% but its a very short cd imo