💀┃acolyte

[charred ridge]

but it should look something like this

[brisk elk]

im gonna copy the chinese guys one

[charred ridge]

think that's the same one

but ya if you found it

thing you have to weigh against ladle though is also this

[grim rune]

wtf i never skipped healing phase

[brisk elk]

oh also

7 endurance threshold per 2 attunement

you will be disgustingly tanky

[charred ridge]

like you can get ladle + that

well i guess you'd do t5 flat mana or it's aids to craft

but ya

together with ladle that goes hard

but only math will be able to tell whether xylem or ladle + another primordial is better

well

letools says u have 2.6k mana with ladle

and 3.6k with xylem

if this is accurate then

you know

😂

[lost cliff]

Cool already I have both t8 and traitor

[brisk elk]

and again each point of attunement is also 1 flat spell dmg

[charred ridge]

this is gonna be 4k+ mana during stardial proc

this looks so fking disgusting

lmfao

[brisk elk]

fr

[charred ridge]

actually hilarious

ima take a look in a bit

gotta farm some idols on lich rq

mana cost might be an issue tho

[short arch]

I think I figured out what's killing my abomination:

could this be the culprit?

[dusty onyx]

xD

power has a price

[short arch]

I guess I need to respec the points down to 5 so when I use my potions Im not deleting my own minion

that kinda sucks cuz im int stacking :I

well I can just put the points here!

[steady plank]

Spirit plague is occuring through harvest and flay automatically via the shield that's name I've forgotten, bone curse is a aura and also will apply decrepify via swine neck

[brisk elk]

@charred ridge the only thing is he takes off the spoon for mapping for area

so its way worse for mapping

uber dps probably higher tho

[charred ridge]

i mean

you can still take off the staff for mapping

😂

also im not sure what the clear would look like

unarmed vs staff

i haven't played with it so idk but i imagine that AoE is just nice QoL

[brisk elk]

well you would just lose a ton of health and mana

[charred ridge]

but i dont see why you wouldnt be able to just stride through maps and kill things in a more narrow range

if anything you'd change your boots so you can zoom

[brisk elk]

and the block passives would be garbo if you arent using a shield but your blockw ould be nerfed if you didnt take them for mapping

[charred ridge]

ya but

who cares about a shield anyway

[brisk elk]

depends on the corruption

high corruption hes definitely making use of his block

[charred ridge]

yeah

depends on your goal i guess

i've never used a shield in my life in LE

[brisk elk]

idk xylem is cool but im not sure if its worth building for

[charred ridge]

i dont feel like im missing out

[brisk elk]

you do get a shitload of health tho

so maybe that makes up for it

[charred ridge]

ye like

i honestly could care less about block

[brisk elk]

another nice thing is not having to put level of judgement on relic

[charred ridge]

i dont even have crit avoidance rn so

[brisk elk]

xylem gives +4

[charred ridge]

ye

i was thinking the same

i mean maybe you can make use of another +4 im not sure

havent looked too closely at the judgement tree

but at the very least it allows for either a mana slam on relic or just easier gearing

[brisk elk]

rotmind in the offhand with no wand for mapping

more area

xd

[charred ridge]

it is a bit hard to tell exactly what's going on and in what ways xylem is better or worse, when i havent actually played the build before

well i guess i've played judgement a bit back when VR gave mana

but that was so different

[brisk elk]

@charred ridge you literally get like 1000 flat hp from the staff

[charred ridge]

ye this staff is pretty cool

WHO DESIGNED THIS RING

this ring in the context of judgement is

the most hilarious thing ever

i don't think you would be able to find a more counter-productive item

[autumn bough]

its pretty op on judgement, frost claw and sacrifice tho

[charred ridge]

im assuming you're talking about oom judgement

good if it's actually useful somewhere

but in the context of mana stacking judgement* it is also pretty funny

yeah i guess that ring makes a lot of sense for oom skills

[brisk elk]

if it sealed a percent of your mana like a POE reserve

it would be good

but the fact that it lowers your max mana makes it worse

[charred ridge]

i think the point is that your max mana doesnt matter for most oom builds

you just enjoy half cost on your main damaging ability and some more mana regen on your oom generator

[brisk elk]

eh

[charred ridge]

i dont really play or enjoy playing those builds so idrc about this item

[brisk elk]

does harmony of the first increase stats count for javelin

[charred ridge]

wdym by stat counts

[brisk elk]

like the increase counts as the spear itself having more stats

[charred ridge]

like the melee flat to throwing flat conversion?

[brisk elk]

yeah

i was thinking about forge guard with that spear because you can use a magic shield for an extra boost

[charred ridge]

it should be easy to test, i would assume that yes it does work but i can't say for certain

[brisk elk]

yeah im gonna level a sentinel to try some fun stuff

[charred ridge]

i wouldnt be surprised if the new staff allows you to wreck uber in budget gear

with just 16 attunement stardials

[brisk elk]

probs

lol

ill try it

[charred ridge]

lmk how that goes when u get there lol

im still stuck on the lich grind

i randomly slammed a fire flask dagger before my own lich dagger

[dark inlet]

If it wasn't Primordial I'd consider it for more things, but taking the Primordial slot is rough

[charred ridge]

it's not primordial

[dark inlet]

Oh, then I might consider it lol

I thought it was

[charred ridge]

yep lol

[dark inlet]

wait

LE planner says it is

[charred ridge]

one of the 5 non-primordial new uniques

really?

oh

[dark inlet]

yeah

[charred ridge]

mbb then

ya mb for some reason i thought the primordial tagged showed at the top of the item

[dark inlet]

Nah, I wish it did though

Super confusing it's just at the bottom

[charred ridge]

well it does in-game but in LEtools it's at the bottom

[dark inlet]

Right

[charred ridge]

i guess that's why i thought it wasnt primordial

i only looked at the top out of habit

man why are we 1.5 years post launch and rolling prophecies still takes half an hour

[grim rune]

@charred ridge

[charred ridge]

nice one

[grim rune]

i need lp2 seed

;/

[charred ridge]

gl lol mine took a while

got the slam in 4 tries and that took 140 ubers lol

[dusty onyx]

Oh shit, that's rare no?

only 1/119

[grim rune]

i want lp2 gloves too

[thick whale]

I remember that there is an echo where you can enchant an Idol 3 times, do you rememember the name please?

[dusty onyx]

My first red ring ever!

[short arch]

FINALLY I FINALLY GOT IT!

[grim rune]

gratz

[short arch]

LP 1 as well so hyped with the +2 to minion skills LETS GOOOOO!

[lost cliff]

how do i unlock fall of the outcast timeline ?

[old hull]

Just get to the End of Time, it's the first timeline

[charred ridge]

you know funnily enough, if for some reason you wanted to farm the barnacle king echo on mana flay, you wouldn't be able to

as the lack of rare mobs in there means you'd be oom all the time

that unique axe really does come with some caveats

[grim rune]

im done for today

gods

hope turtle will give me something

[dusty onyx]

and the nemesis bricked the red ring like a boss

👀

[craggy flax]

have to stop playing now

[dusty onyx]

that's the nutz

on a well rolled twisted :p

is it even useful to imprint red rings?

like can it drop?

[unkempt saddle]

Sure

[grim rune]

dumb ass turtle

1 item

[charred ridge]

better than none

[thick whale]

Finally

I'm about to cry

[charred ridge]

grats

[versed fox]

the new +melee damage +spell damage affix is only necrotic, but it's good on all variations, right?

it seems like so much. And with the executioners' tithe...

[dusk oxide]

i dont know what happened but im loosing hp 2x faster than i was before while in reaper form

oh my boots they where the army of skin but now they are the boots from lightless

also answers as to why my dmg was way lower

[earnest lichen]

Gzzz!! It'll be way easier the second time around with a 1lp vise

[dusk oxide]

what are the hp drain factors so i can make reaper last longer between combat

[topaz marlin]

grats! now imprint it in weaver tree and watch it duplicate itself hahah

[obtuse quest]

It’s a revenant, not a wraith.( yes it eats it.)

Yes, but not by default. It starts at 0% crit chance.

[obtuse quest]

A lot of work for something that witchfire can do better tbh

[obtuse totem]

How does the passive that makes dots go to health before ward work with the damage delay stuff from the passive tree and gloves?

[charred ridge]

delayed dmg isn't dot

[obtuse totem]

Shame

[charred ridge]

it's hit damage (over time)

[obtuse totem]

I'm doing good damage for where I'm at (between 400-600 corruption) but I just die lol

[urban dust]

how does the turtle work?
You just feed it LP1 items in hope of them becoming LP2+ ?

[steady plank]

Probably I just like to fluff around with builds and the different uniques and hadnt tried a curse focused build before

[urban dust]

<@&1161418687471956101> ^

[dusk oxide]

my hp drain is still too much

i took 5 from the middle end and removed all pts from unclosing wounds

and it didnot help

[pearl snow]

are you doing harvest flay or something? And by hp drain do you mean that you just sit at low hp then just die instantly if you take a DoT or something?

[amber oxide]

Thoughts on these rolls? Ok enough to use with mana imprinted?

[dusk oxide]

yeah

well first i loose reaper form then i die

[pearl snow]

In general its meh, but if its your first 1LP +2 nihil then just go for it. It should be easy enough to find another T7 mana item

[amber oxide]

Exactly what I was thinking...good enough for now

[pearl snow]

can you link your character

[obtuse quest]

Leech or die is effectively Lich's thing.

No leech=expect to die unless you got healing.

[dusk oxide]

how would i link

[obtuse quest]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/

[pearl snow]

last epoch tools has an import

[dusk oxide]

all i need is maybe a few extra seconds so i can get to my next target

[pearl snow]

build planners on maxroll / let

[dusk oxide]

i dont know if i can as im using geforce now

[pearl snow]

if you have an account it should work

[obtuse quest]

Move faster is most likely the answer to that question.

Since the drain will always ramp up no matter what you do, it's either get more health, more leech, more damage, or outside healing.

[pearl snow]

Kzb I'm torn. Do I do some ignite stuff with HS and Wildfire or attempt to do something with that set ring

[obtuse quest]

And maybe not take the node that speeds up your leeches to 1 second instead of 3.

[obtuse quest]

Vessel+ shatter lance set lmao (Don't)

[dusk oxide]

where is that?

[obtuse quest]

I don't know tbh

[obtuse quest]

One pointer on the most right column

[pearl snow]

You don't know the pathway I walked down with CB proccing decimate and vessel LOL

[obtuse quest]

Wildfire seems like it wouldn't boost witchfire that much-

[obtuse quest]

LMAO

[pearl snow]

Yeah mainly for using pure Ignite with Maehilins from like HS or something

we got witchfire to 1mil ticks roughyl on a dummy

[dusk oxide]

the raining blood one? the icon art

[pearl snow]

I got AoD to do that so now im figuring something else out

[pearl snow]

yes its the 66% leech things

[dusk oxide]

will try it out

[pearl snow]

Corrupted Form is also bugged btw

[dusk oxide]

whats that

[pearl snow]

you don't get the low life from that first node bottom left

[pearl snow]

The node that locks your hp and ward to 50% of your total life

[dusk oxide]

this one?

[pearl snow]

Yeah so that and the corrupted form one which is near the middle 5 pointer. do not interact properly atm

You don't get the Triple effect at all times sadly

[dusk oxide]

where does it say currupt form?

or the locking hp and ward

[pearl snow]

Corrupted Form and Dance With Death are different passives

[dusk oxide]

so where is currupted form?

[obtuse quest]

Please read your nodes-

[dusk oxide]

thats why it didnot show i was spelling it currupt

[pearl snow]

oof

[dusk oxide]

so should i not have any pts in it?

[pearl snow]

It is fine to have, you just need to be careful. Early one without great gear you can severely decrease your survivability. Without any way to see your character and stuff its hard to say the real problem here.
But Leech stopping at 66% may be your issue in Monoliths

[dusk oxide]

so how do i show my build?

[pearl snow]

so turning off that "Rain of Blood looking node" aka Accursed Feast as KZB said may be the best bet

[pearl snow]

we linked that already the planner

[dusk oxide]

but how do i put my build add all the shit im using?

[pearl snow]

there is an import button on nearly every planner available online it just takes your account and character name

[dusk oxide]

wait dindot see that

i have never wanted to link a build before so i never looked on how to do such

ok now how do i link that

the http didnot change in anyway

[dusk oxide]

ah

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/AK27DdGo

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 87

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.1

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (72)

General:

▸ Health: 3,004, Regen: 18.18/s
▸ Mana: 161.94, Regen: 9.12/s
▸ Ward Retention: 112%, Regen: 34/s
▸ Attributes: 23 Str / 55 Dex / 50 Int / 33 Att / 24 Vit
▸ Resistances: 83% / 114% / 83% / 53% / 52% / 133% / 122%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 61%, Threshold: 1,005
▸ Dodge Chance: 16% (474)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 37% (1,835)

Used skills:

Reaper Form / Flay / Aura Of Decay / Harvest / Transplant

[dusk oxide]

im currently egging my twisted heart

[pearl snow]

According to this you are missing the Age of Winter Blessing.
Phys and void Res is not capped. Phys is quite important as it happens a hell of a lot.
I don't see any Critical Strike Damage reduction / Critical Strik Avoidance.

As far as total health pool 3k is fine. Are you using Death Seal at all on your bar? It's a pretty nice defensive even when you don't specialize it

[marble crypt]

leech capping at 66% wont matter when your current hp is already locked at 50%

[obtuse quest]

The leech lasting 1 second instead of 3 seconds might matter.

(It does for people who can't mantain reaper)

[dusk oxide]

death seal?

[marble crypt]

he does have a second movement skill specced so he should be fine

[pearl snow]

a lich skill. Its a defensive button

if you are talking about dying

[marble crypt]

converts damage taken to health drain over time which can be counteracted by leech

[dusk oxide]

i dont have this death seal

[pearl snow]

Did you follow a guide or something?

[obtuse quest]

Evidently, not enough.

[obtuse quest]

He doesn't even have the node that seperates reap and traversal's cooldowns, so he can only use one anyway

[dusk oxide]

i just followed this build never used reaper before or any build that has a transform or hp drain

and as i have equiped new gear and what not my skills keep removing the pts

[pearl snow]

Honestly I'm just a big user of Death Seal as both a defensive and a way to live long enough to get to the next pack

[dusk oxide]

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/harvest-lich-guide#passives-header

this is the one im following

[pearl snow]

My main build was one where I was constantly taking a truck load of DoT dmg and it does a lot

Oh I see why he doesnt take any crit avoidance now

Honestly your problem can range from not moving through your monoliths fast enough. To Turning off AoD if there is a long stretch of nothing going on. To Just using Death Seal

Maybe he says something in his video

[marble crypt]

if you get offscreened you are dead basically guaranteed (unless transformed) but fair most builds will die to being offscreened at 1k

its most likely just a case of needing enough speed to gap close fast enough, and trying to raise max hp

[dusk oxide]

just got a lp1 twisted heart so if my egged heart is bad i can use my new one i dont have a harvest relic yet tho

and lp1 ring of ang

[versed fox]

Just wanted to share my current build. I don't have a lot of gaming time at the moment so I'm only about to jump to 200 corruption. I've been having absolutely 0 issues though. Mana was a slight concern for a bit but executioner's tithe fixed that. I'm definitely going to take the mana regen off of my gear when I actually get some good stuff.

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QkGyxv0Q

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 88

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.1

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (62) / Warlock (19)

General:

▸ Health: 1,826, Regen: 18.32/s
▸ Mana: 417.45, Regen: 19.04/s
▸ Ward Retention: 194%, Regen: 25/s
▸ Attributes: 8 Str / 9 Dex / 86 Int / 8 Att / 13 Vit
▸ Resistances: 74% / 224% / 74% / 96% / 89% / 189% / 95%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 79%, Threshold: 449
▸ Dodge Chance: 10% (272)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 22% (772)

Used skills:

Chaos Bolts / Rip Blood / Aura Of Decay / Flay / Harvest

[versed fox]

I still have yet to see an exsang, I am looking forward to testing that alongside the architects. I would really like a half-decently rolled architects though. Most of my drops have been garbage, as you can tell by my gear.

[dusk oxide]

well could be worse

[obtuse quest]

Their core issue is effectively “what damage multipliers?”

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 83

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.1

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (76)

General:

▸ Health: 3,045, Regen: 20.97/s
▸ Mana: 131.22, Regen: 13.92/s
▸ Ward Retention: 155%, Regen: 106/s
▸ Attributes: 13 Str / 117 Dex / 68 Int / 15 Att / 23 Vit
▸ Resistances: 110% / 72% / 82% / 87% / 46% / 177% / 97%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 36%, Threshold: 939
▸ Dodge Chance: 38% (1206)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 46% (2,463)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 37%

Used skills:

Harvest / Reaper Form / Aura Of Decay / Flay / Death Seal

[graceful flint]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/B4yZMd9o

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 83

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.1

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (76)

General:

▸ Health: 3,045, Regen: 20.97/s
▸ Mana: 131.22, Regen: 13.92/s
▸ Ward Retention: 155%, Regen: 106/s
▸ Attributes: 13 Str / 117 Dex / 68 Int / 15 Att / 23 Vit
▸ Resistances: 110% / 72% / 82% / 87% / 46% / 177% / 97%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 36%, Threshold: 939
▸ Dodge Chance: 38% (1206)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 46% (2,463)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 37%

Used skills:

Harvest / Reaper Form / Aura Of Decay / Flay / Death Seal

[graceful flint]

i feel somethings wrongs with this build lol

[pearl snow]

That setup can be really good. Whats your problem just dmg output?

[graceful flint]

yea

[pearl snow]

Okay I'll dump some stuff. I dont play this setup but I already see a couple things

[graceful flint]

its really good for monolith but boss fight...

[pearl snow]

In AoD:

[obtuse quest]

My man did not spec into the core reason why AoD is used is WILD

[pearl snow]

If you have mana issues on bosses look into grabbing Ghost Conduit in Harvest

[graceful flint]

i dont think mana is the problem

just dmg output so disapoint

[pearl snow]

I'd get a lot more attack speed too

Most people run this setup with like Falcon Fists for even more attack speed

and put it on their weapons

[graceful flint]

im heading to immortal vise with t7 atk sp

[dark inlet]

Is the base frequency for Cthonic Fissure releasing spirits 2/second (0.5 cast delay on Tormenting Spirit) or some other value?

Also, anyone know its duration?

[pearl snow]

Getting the +4 Harvest on your relic can also be really good since it comes with % Melee Dmg

[obtuse quest]

Pretty much.
6 sec duration base.

[graceful flint]

ohh, i forget its

t7 harvest

[pearl snow]

I'd also probably drop Null Portent in your setup. Your resistances aren't high enough for the full effect honestly

grab like Core of the Mountain or something else

[dark inlet]

thanks

[pearl snow]

Technically you can drop Vitality too for more dmg in your starting base tree

Thats about everything I'd see besides like swapping out the small defensive idols for output ones or something

[graceful flint]

you have any suggestion for idol?

[pearl snow]

They are gunna be the least impactful imo but like you can find Cold Pen on them

and Crit

[graceful flint]

tks

ill try with your suggest

[serene lichen]

I tested**

[native bison]

Was it the strength stacking which is bugged?

[serene lichen]

many

Strength doesn't seem to work for me, dual wield bonus 20% pretty sure does not work also, and then for increased effect of frenzy: there are two kinds of increased effect programmed in game, the generic one i think works and the
"on you" doesn't

for example, experimental frenzy boots tier 7 has 60% increased effect of frenzy (on you) and this does not seem to scale "improved/magnified by" effect of frenzy

the problem is that the obvious layup items like shatter world/experimental frenzy is an "on you" i don't actually have shattered world to test, but I think is programmed this way, and then also the built in increases actually don't work... for real wtf.

this post

[steady plank]

Lol just lost my lp3 scyth from testing a new loot filter but my games ui dissapeared and i couldnt pick it back up

[serene lichen]

delete p sure enables uio

[steady plank]

i shuda came here to cry first before i gave up 🙁

thanks for letting me know though

assumed it was a bug cuz escape wasnt working but i cud hear the sound of the menu opening and closing

[astral kettle]

I think I once saw a node where after a Summoned a Wraith that wraith would automatically summon more Wraiths. Can anyone tell me where I can find that node? I can't find it.

[serene lichen]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/UAwNgLAzBCsQ

[grim rune]

yes, u can feed him up to LP3

[noble magnet]

Very new to acolyte, if I want to keep profane veils coverage as much as possible and willing to sacrifice some damage what should I pursue? Bone curse spamming as it doesn’t even need a target?

[astral kettle]

I don't think this is the one I read.

[grim rune]

that was clean uber, finally

[dusty onyx]

Over 9000 damage

[dusty onyx]

Spirit plague is a cheap curse if you want to spam it for cooldown

it also gives many boost in dmg in its tree

[serene lichen]

Skill, passive or item

[astral kettle]

It was either a skill or a passive.

[obtuse quest]

A wraith that summoned more wraiths?

[serene lichen]

i thought obvious wraithlord

[obtuse quest]

It's either that node, or wraithlord.

[astral kettle]

Ok thanks. Maybe I was misremembering. How often does weaithlord consume other non-wraith minions?

[serene lichen]

this is the absolute last thing thats even remotely imaginable within the realm of reason

[obtuse quest]

As soon as it can.

[serene lichen]

"it was wraithlord 98%"

[noble magnet]

But it needs a target am I correct? Most of the case it’s fine but I just wonder if there is a good no target option.

[obtuse quest]

No, you can spam spirit plague into the air.

(it just wouldn't do anything or apply any of it's nodes other than stuff that interacts with casting a spell)

[serene lichen]

who wants something for acolyte tested

i bored

ask questions

[noble magnet]

I see, I will use it for cooldown then.

[calm dome]

Inspire me how you would utilize this for a build. Wave of Death on Reap/Evade

[serene lichen]

i dont have very good gear for it cause i just started playing acolyte but i can share a clip demonstrating the idea

is that ok?

[calm dome]

👍

[obsidian ginkgo]

pushed to 1k corruption on the flay lich build, had some fun along the way, but i don't think this playstyle is for me lol
i really dislike how weak you feel when you're not in lich form

[dusty onyx]

Rip blood feeding wave of death attack was my go to in pre release.

wave was far stronger, far larger but didn't have reap proc. Lich rework is pretty nice but i'd like to see some love for hungering souls and some part of the lich tree that are outdated (like reaper soul, or hungering soul on kill)

[dusty onyx]

ah

kinda mid roll though

[serene lichen]

only int / dex matters and u got nice

[obsidian ginkgo]

wtf

[dusty onyx]

depends on the build. For spine user, maxed necro res is 30 crit mult on whip

but the good thing is that I can imprint it now for more likely 2 LP

don't have a good double t7 to slam sadly

[hollow flint]

I dont know what it was, but it shocked you 3 times

[obsidian ginkgo]

it's this inconsistency that i'm finding really annoying
sometimes i can just run through maps no problem other times just get one shot randomly like this

i have maxed res and crit avoidance btw

[hollow flint]

maxed res and crit avoidance is usually the bare minimum though, there are also armor, endurance, damage to mana, dodge, block, reduced damage taken and more stuff

[astral zephyr]

Can i play with someone who has coruption 800+? I want to farm redring. Can you guys help me please?

[serene lichen]

Sorry it took me quite a few hours to figure out how to automate so many ability but this is what I got

https://youtu.be/NQQGmalQ56M?si=xvlrc4YsbKKd1QU_

So the idea is that when you use reap or evade the death seals shoot out 🙂

But also a couple of hungry souls too!

[obsidian ginkgo]

these are my stats in lich form
if 17 more endurance is really the difference between getting one shot like that and not then ok fine but i really feel like there should be more consistency in the damage ranges when at least mapping

like if my defenses are shit it should feel like im getting shat on every map so i immediately know to fix my defenses not this feeling of oh i rolled the 5% chance to die i guess i die

[dusty onyx]

bone curse automate ripblood?

that's pretty crazy lol

[serene lichen]

Kinda fun ya

But I’m using axe and dagger so I don’t even know if it’s any good cuz rip blood is a spell

[little wigeon]

60% endurance does help (can grab the blessing for it or use minor weavers with it). Did you grab the armor per int on the reaper tree? Other than that, I went reduced crits + armor which put me above 60% armor. Then there's red rings for more DR if you can get higher attributes. Lastly properly using death seal as a panic button

[dusty onyx]

Axe gives more dmg but no spell power hurts yeah

you should prob go wand

or double dagger

[serene lichen]

I thought taste of blood would be better in my mind

[obsidian ginkgo]

death seal is legit yeah but in no world would i have used death seal there on three spiders lmao

and yeah i got the +armor per int node

[serene lichen]

But I couldn’t execute it in practice with my gear limitations

[obsidian ginkgo]

i guess ill try capping my endurance

[little wigeon]

Oh there's also Brewster buckle for endurance

[lilac bear]

The node in death seal that blocks health drain should also reset the health drain from Reaper form.

[serene lichen]

So what I came to was either the chaos bolt axe or undisputed and traitors tongue

[dusty onyx]

okay

I just tested

I killed my self in one second

xD

not good

[lilac bear]

I'm loving a build I'm partially making myself and partially blending 2 very different flay builds I've seen online. Flay is proccing Chaos bolts, which in turn is proccing Harvest. Slowly transitioning away from a DoT flay to a crit damage flay now that I'm getting the right uniques.

[serene lichen]

F yeah, reap it

Big fan of shooting out many chaos bolts per flay

[lilac bear]

Trying to decide what the best weapons are for it. It's a tough call

[obtuse quest]

You mean it needs to or is doing it now?

[dusty onyx]

2LP boneclamer drop like candies now I imprinted the 3 LP lol

[serene lichen]

Hard to know what the best weap are without knowing ur whole spec

[lilac bear]

It would be great if it did it. Right nor all it does is pause the drain. If it reset so it made it as though you had just entered reaper form, that would be epic.

[obtuse quest]

Well it shouldn't do that either, are you sure?

[lilac bear]

You know, it's hard to tell. I've never tested it fully. I'm just musing that Reaper form is a bit clunky and people have suggested simply removing the drain component from it altogether. I'm just chucking out the idea that would be a suitable in-game skill combination, where using DS would allow you to prolong your time in RF.

[obtuse quest]

That's fair, but they would effectively unfix the "Reaper form and death seal are must takes" problem

[lilac bear]

Yeah, I'm not looking for advice for my build in particular, instead saying that it's good that there's plenty of variety with the skill depending on which direction you are going. "Traitor's Tongue" in the OH for up-front damage builds paired with "Velocyn's Jaw" in the main hand, or "Executioner's Tithe" in main hand for a build that Procs a lot of regular Harvest off the flay, but then you can use Great harvest on CD to restore mana and do some big hits. "Undisputed" or "Eulogy of Blood" both fit in very well in Bleed varients.

[dusty onyx]

Does anybody know if that works on indrect cast?

[lilac bear]

In times when you must cast the skill yourself, they are usually very good at calling that out.

[serene lichen]

Yea good options I’m a fan

[hollow flint]

works

[indigo sundial]

Hey! I'm not sure this is the best place to ask this, but I'm wondering if anyone has tried the harvest flay lich build from Volca with minimal gear? I know it's super gear dependent, so obviously it won't play as fast or as smooth with only the bare essentials, but will it at least be kind of viable and fun? I'm building towards the guide on maxroll and am currently running the acolyte leveling build on there with warlock using chthonic fissure and chos bolts. It's been running really smooth and it's quite fun so I don't want to transition too early and have a terrible time. The issue of course is I have to respec at some point and it's already over a quarter million gold at lvl 75, which is most of my gold.

I have a 2 lp army of skin, but not really anything to slam into it and a 1 lp snowblind with the same issue. I also have a few ok ish rolled evolution's end with no lp that got terrible rolls in the nemesis. Best one has chance to find potions... I do have an ok velocyn's jaw (only +3 to skills tho) and some half decent weapons with cold damage and cold% (not on the same weapon so I'd have to pick one) that i could pair with the dagger. Finally I have an Ambition of an erased acolyte with +1 to harvest and chance to apply frailty on hit, not great, but the best I have found. I think that's about it.

[lost cliff]

Yo guys so am a harvest flay lich is switching to mana flay worth it ?

[lost cliff]

Hey there Am using harvest lich tbh as soon as u get the boots and the tounge wep the build is not bad

Only problem I was facing early was if there isn’t a lot of mobs it’s hard to keep up reaper form

You guys I got a 3 lp falcon gloves and am kinda new to the game am playing harvest flay lich could someone hope on vc and guide me through the process of crafting and slamming it on falcon gloves

Sorry for the bad English

[worthy arch]

When playing a dot build "bleed poison frost etc" how many stacks of dots are you trying to get? For example 200 stacks of poison in 4 seconds?

[serene lichen]

1 stack worth 2000 or 2000 stacks worth 1

[obtuse quest]

On a boss, have enough to always upkeep near 1k stacks. Most of the time you’ll be building whatever dot duration you have so they last longer than 4 seconds

[indigo sundial]

Thanks! I was hoping I could get by with the other dagger, but I guess I'll have to grind that out before switching.

[dusty onyx]

lmao

[lost cliff]

where do i get this modfier from

[obtuse quest]

By praying to RNGesus

[lost cliff]

yeah i mean how do i farm it am quite new

[obtuse quest]

Literally praying to RNGesus, and marking the affix in the loot filter.

[lost cliff]

could i link my build and someone can tell me what should upgrade first for the biggest boost ?

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QWkgGy2Q

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 90

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.1

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (83)

General:

▸ Health: 2,266, Regen: 22.51/s
▸ Mana: 136.46, Regen: 10.4/s
▸ Ward Retention: 132%, Regen: 6/s
▸ Attributes: 35 Str / 44 Dex / 66 Int / 19 Att / 23 Vit
▸ Resistances: 58% / 77% / 44% / 27% / 40% / 90% / 82%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 49%, Threshold: 741
▸ Dodge Chance: 28% (883)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 29% (1,237)

Used skills:

Reaper Form / Harvest / Flay / Aura Of Decay / Transplant

[thick whale]

@autumn bough can confirm the build works great :3

Especially when i was above 100str the dmg skyrocketed

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/holydr4gon/character/holydr4gone

now I don't know what else to do... maybe push corruption to 2k?

[autumn bough]

push 10k

also wtf is that helmet mennn @thick whale its garanteed drop from 500 ember echo 😭 get at least 2lp

those boots and gloves tho hoooly

[thick whale]

ok ok ^^"
I'm just very unlucky with the imprint so it's not a thing I like to do

[autumn bough]

it doesnt drop from imprints

[thick whale]

are they good or bad?

[autumn bough]

🤔

[autumn bough]

good

[thick whale]

ok ^^"

[thick whale]

I knoiw but I tried to do 6 rings and 8 axes and this are the best I've got xD

[autumn bough]

also u can get bone armor from skeles

they cast it sometimes before getting eaten

[thick whale]

Uhm?

I'm not sure what you mean

[autumn bough]

but youll have to use it in maps

lol

[thick whale]

ah so I need to summon skelly every map

that is a bit annoying xD

we need more sklills on the bar

[autumn bough]

lol

[thick whale]

but ok I'm gonnna change helm so you are happy :3

And also work on my ring and axe cause a 2 LP should be easy to get eventually

ah on the ring do I need a specific crit roll on only +2 minion summons?

[autumn bough]

+2 minions more imortant crit is easier and dont need +4 especially weith t7 helm

[thick whale]

oki!

[autumn bough]

amulet and helm probably easiest upgrades

then ring

and axe

[topaz marlin]

Bone Curse vs Spirit Plague?

[stone epoch]

Any way to fix the mana issues on harvest flay? Im loveing the build but its just a bit too mana starved ATM. Does rip blood still have the mana recovery nodes and I just missed them?

[topaz marlin]

surely this is obvious but I assume that if my minions hit an afflicted enemy it DOESNT spread?

[lost gale]

rip blood's mana recovery node has always been on direct cast

so it wouldn't work with the flay boots

[stone epoch]

Forgot about that never really used it much past leveling

[dusty onyx]

Perfect. Time to brick it

[cosmic flower]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/B70MgKmo

[stuck owl]

Warlock, Level 76

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.1

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Warlock (65)

General:

▸ Health: 1,085, Regen: 42.79/s
▸ Mana: 193.84, Regen: 13.52/s
▸ Ward Retention: 125%, Regen: 53/s
▸ Attributes: 5 Str / 5 Dex / 27 Int / 5 Att / 9 Vit
▸ Resistances: 85% / 96% / 68% / 61% / 45% / 117% / 105%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 34%, Threshold: 217
▸ Dodge Chance: 9% (187)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 22% (637)

Used skills:

Chaos Bolts / Chthonic Fissure / Spirit Plague / Rip Blood / Infernal Shade

[cosmic flower]

Hey so i just got to emp monos

but after doing a few i definitely felt like i was dying way too fast

my health defo looks too low

should i look to replacing the set items?

I wanted to go into the flay mana lich build, so i was planning on doing emp monos to find the gear i need, but i was getting cooked by rift beasts etc in emp monos

[pearl snow]

Yeah hp is kinda low. Also what are you doing with your leveling build is it just DoT everything at the moment?

Also less dmg taken from withered and more armor per curse are some of locks greatest defensive nodes

You also have 1 drain hp item equipped but really nothing else for ward

[thick whale]

set items are 100& garbage in this game. No build use them afaik

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/tierlists

Pick a build from this website and you should be good to go

[obtuse quest]

Some builds use their shards, but rarely the set item itself.

[thick whale]

yeah but be honest, are they good builds? xD

[obtuse quest]

The shards setups? Some of them are pretty good.

Witchfire gets one of their higher damage increases from a set shard, for example.

[thick whale]

I was just giving an easy way out to the new bro, I hope he cna find something he likes on maxroll

[dusty onyx]

Ouuuh

that's a nice imprint

[cosmic flower]

yeahh haha thats what someone told me in game, gonna change that and not use hp drain ig. Yeah rn its mostly DoT, thats what it tsays on the levelling guide too for the equps

when u say defensive nodes do u mean from the passive tree? or a skill tree

[cosmic flower]

bet thanks

[pearl snow]

Passives

[cosmic flower]

i was going for a flay mana lich was gonna start searching for equips

cool cool ill spec intto that

[cosmic flower]

if flay mana lich too hard to get into tho as someone whos just started emp monos, should i look for an easier starting build for now

for endgame

cus on the build guide, itt only showed endgame, not even a starter version

[pearl snow]

Nearly every lich build requires gear to feel good. But you can technically start out with weaker gear if you really want.
For speed its usually optimal to just do a strong leveling build and hunt some basic gear down before swapping

Like I took a suboptimal lich build and started with it this league but as a result I spent way longer in normal monoliths than I preferred

[lilac bear]

By normal, you odn't mean Empowered (Corr 100)? Do you actually mean the basic monos?

I got to Empowered monos pretty easily, with a couple of exceptions. The only thing at corr 100 with a cobbeled together lich build to give me trouble was the weaver maps for the champions and the rift beasts, but that was largely due to not being properly resistance and crit capped.

[vapid zenith]

Bricked my skull man 😅

My third 2lp skull, and it finally hit the stat but I forgot to swap to strength before slamming

[lilac bear]

It's not completely terrible. Int is still somewhat useful. Live and learn I guess 🙂

[vapid zenith]

Nah, int is completely useless for this build since it uses Cleaver haha

[brazen wigeon]

ditch cleaver, return to shieldax

[lilac bear]

Clearly you are not Cleaver enough to use the Cleaver.

Even with the extra Int.

[vapid zenith]

Clearly not, 1 int over here

[brazen wigeon]

https://imgflip.com/i/a4va59

[vapid zenith]

Nah, I'll go slam my 2 t7 minion damage 2h axe on my sword catcher and cry myself to sleep

[lilac bear]

Speaking of shieldax, anyone considered a Lich flay dualwield build where the shieldax can be equipped in OH ?

[cosmic flower]

ic, the thing is with the flay mana lich, it was alot of legendaries, and u need alot of mana for it, so i felt like just getting the uniques wouldnt be enough

[cosmic flower]

yea by normal i menat basic monos

i think my damage is fine, its just the survivability aspect

just wanted to know what i could change in terms of tthat for the geae

gear*

[pearl snow]

Getting the uniques and flat mana on gear would be fine to start especially if you don’t already have empowered unlocked and are trying to just faceroll the gamr on an alt

You wouldn’t have nearly the same mana or regen but should be okay enough

Its all just dependent on how quickly you want to play the build vs it feeling like a polished build

[golden prism]

heya all, i was wondering if anybody has managed to down uber abbey using abomb? my current setup is very much the same as the maxroll build. although i am at 1130c atm and able to handle all content (so far) with ease, I am still getting merced by uber abbey and cannot figure out why exactly other than need my block at 100% (currently sitting at 75). I was hoping for some advice in regards to my dilema.

[pearl snow]

I haven’t seen anyone kill it yet but I doubt it’s not killable this season with all the changes. You just may have to really learn the fight

[brazen wigeon]

smb told me yesterday it's 40-50 seconds woth abom build

[golden prism]

Yeah i think because i was so accustomed to maining paladin i need to actually learn the mechanics instead of simply tanking them (although I do know them, but rusty).

[golden prism]

omg ... how?

[brazen wigeon]

dunno I'm in process of building abom build like...right now

[golden prism]

ugh, ok will review and try to figure this out.

[brazen wigeon]

am in imperial era lol

most likely you are getting stomped by DoTs since wit hthat much DoT and endurance and ward generation you should be able to tank all regular hits

especialy with 34% damage redirected to abomination

[dusty onyx]

harbringer just bricked me 5 perfect rolled gloves

in a row

great

[half kelp]

hmm

muramas hilt great for bridging the gap with mana flay lich before you reach endgame gear?

do you need to actually use the harvest to gain the mana

or do you get the effect from procs too?

[golden prism]

oh the freaking DoTs. 🙁

[half kelp]

@obtuse quest bb pls respond

or @charred ridge

[charred ridge]

whats the question?

muramas?

[half kelp]

^

[charred ridge]

idk but mana is not an issue

so mana regen is not what you're looking for

[half kelp]

i got devour the damned but constantly run out

568 mana

[charred ridge]

do you press harvest on rares

[half kelp]

yes

i cant sustain mana for boss st

for reference

any pointers here? i do need downtime on st or extended mapping which is not optimal

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/ozvp2Zbo

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 95

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.1

Class:

Acolyte (29) / Lich (69) / Warlock (10)

General:

▸ Health: 2,345, Regen: 19.3/s
▸ Mana: 570.38, Regen: 16/s
▸ Ward Retention: 237%, Regen: 71/s
▸ Attributes: 3 Str / 28 Dex / 58 Int / 3 Att / 12 Vit
▸ Resistances: 74% / 74% / 74% / 88% / 83% / 125% / 72%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 516
▸ Dodge Chance: 14% (423)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 31% (1,483)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 107%

Used skills:

Chaos Bolts / Reaper Form / Death Seal / Harvest / Flay

[pearl snow]

Our boy may be asleep his active time seems nearly opposite mine but I shall attempt to help

[charred ridge]

i've never heard of not being able to sustain boss ST

[half kelp]

please check the profile and pictures link im at a loss here lmao

maybe its seed of chaos?

[little wigeon]

i think its the node on chaos bolt, chance to consume mana (mana anarchy) that is giving problems

[pearl snow]

You can try Ghost Conduit in Harvest

[charred ridge]

you even have a high roll on your axe mana

[pearl snow]

It fits the problem

[half kelp]

its only on direct cast

which doesnt really help

[charred ridge]

oh ye definitely do not use that

[pearl snow]

Reading hard nvm

[charred ridge]

i meant

not seed of chaos but mana anarchy

[reef goblet]

Mana Anarchy more likely

[charred ridge]

are you 100% positive that mana anarchy only procs on direct cast

[pearl snow]

^ those then

[reef goblet]

5 bolts per hit

[half kelp]

but revolution is my biggest dps buff?

[charred ridge]

because the description states that it procs on any cast

[pearl snow]

Revolution works for you?

[half kelp]

no, the mana skill from harvest does

[pearl snow]

Isnt it only minions

[reef goblet]

avg additional 13 mana cost per 2 hits.

[charred ridge]

oh ok misread

yeah don't take mana anarchy

and how is the minion node your biggest dps boost

can you explain to me which minion is doing damage?

[half kelp]

oh my god

[little wigeon]

the skeletons kek

[half kelp]

reading is hard

[charred ridge]

maybe the dino

😂

[pearl snow]

READING IS HARD LETS GO

I AGREE

[half kelp]

see this is why i ask

im too tired for this shit

thanks famalam

[reef goblet]

I suddenly have an interesting thought. How does flay work with chains of the betrayer?

[half kelp]

ok i think all my problems just went away

ducking minion dmg oh my god

[reef goblet]

proc'ing multiple huge bolts would be fun.

[half kelp]

so no mana anarchy

but chtonic aura is a go

and seed of chaos

[pearl snow]

No because its single bolt per proc

“A bolt”

[little wigeon]

cthonic aura doesnt do anything either

[half kelp]

bugd?

[little wigeon]

no its from directly casting chaos bolts

[reef goblet]

the number goes up with mana?

500 mana = 500% chance to proc = 100% * 5 bolts.

If I didn't misunderstand.

[little wigeon]

also im pretty sure seed of chaos is also direct cast because of the "recast" part of it

[reef goblet]

Interesting, Cthonic aurora didn't mention needing direct cast.

[little wigeon]

tldr of what mike said is that you arent using chaos bolts but rather the projectiles of it. so it needs to clarify that

cthonic aura is adding projectiles to the direct cast of chaos bolts

[old hull]

It's not a direct cast only effect, which is why it does work with the recast node

[half kelp]

holy ship i feel stupid

thanks all

i was throttling my ahh build

because reading hard

[old hull]

but yeah flay doesn't cast chaos bolts at all, just a bolt

[half kelp]

so chance of snow is actually real with this build?

[reef goblet]

But the projectile should still be able to trigger these?

[little wigeon]

yes

[reef goblet]

I noticed your int and dex are too low to effectively use them tho.

[little wigeon]

they have a cap so when you are sending like 20 bolts at a time, you are likely to hit the cap

at 20dex, you would only need to send out 15 bolts with one hit of flay (even less with more atk spd)

harvest has a cap of 3/sec

[half kelp]

10 dex is more than enough

[reef goblet]

didn't notice, the presention is different from rip blood trigger

[half kelp]

boss ttk just went down by a minute

im never worrying about mana again

[brazen wigeon]

rip blood scales with int and is 4 per sec, while harvest scales with dexterity with cap 3 per sec

[reef goblet]

The presentation is different so I didn't notice harvest's cap at first...

[brazen wigeon]

too bad they introduced these limits ,I remember where there was exploit with blood curse, rip blood and minnions triggering rip blood like vulcan machine gun giving like 10K ward

[reef goblet]

Literally unplayable /jk

[little wigeon]

slack just add some more mana and crit chance (traitors tongue or phantom rings) and you will be wrecking

oh and the necrotic spell/melee affix

[half kelp]

im already wrecking now that the mana problem is solved, yeah, obviously more mana and crit is good :3

necrotic spell/melee affix?

[little wigeon]

should be on both weapons, lots of flat spell

since the axe converts half of the mel dmg as well to spell

[brazen wigeon]

can hungering souls trigger of your own bone curse trigger?

has any1 tried spyglass on that lich insead of idol pri. item?

[true temple]

Hi can I have question ? Which affix should I put for my Spine of Malatros ? Im trying to run flame whip warlock build, but I dont understand why people put ignite chance on weapon ?

Any idea what's going on ?

[charred ridge]

out of combat

very cool

think im good for monos xdd

[little wigeon]

holyy

[half kelp]

holy shit

i dont think this existed when i last played

[charred ridge]

ya it's new

@brisk elk

i was too lazy to slam a 77 but you know whats coming

[half kelp]

so crit multi not too good?

[charred ridge]

crit multi where

and why wouldnt it be good

[half kelp]

weps for example

[charred ridge]

it's good for your 2nd LP

[reef goblet]

I mean depends on your focus.

[charred ridge]

first has to be flat necro

[reef goblet]

it's useless if you do bleed/damned, which the version I'm planning to do.

I'm planning to do a physical version of flay/cb/rip blood trigger.

[brisk elk]

Nice

[charred ridge]

im not actually close cus i need a 77 ring imprint

and im out of favor xdd

need somebody to feed me conquered towers for free

[half kelp]

coming by tithes is really slow

whats the fastest way to rack em up?

rune of ascendance?

[charred ridge]

imprint

or prophecies

but i wouldnt use my favor yet if i were you

you'll easily get one for free from the weaver imprints

favor should be used on double mana idols

[half kelp]

ohh

so i drop tithe in the tree

this got damn game xd

[reef goblet]

First season, beat normal timeline deathless, guess the real game starts here.

[half kelp]

letsgoo!

[median pebble]

Noobzor, you asked me to tell, how uber goes for me. After implementing changes we discussed, I can tell you I suffer from disease called ,,severe lack of hands,, 😄

[brazen wigeon]

at this rate Noobzor will carry everyone's uber lol

[clear kernel]

I am building harvest lich. Is there any stats more important than Endurance and attack speed on falcon fists gloves? Cinder and falconry are not important, right?

[pearl snow]

Nope they are not you are not a falconer

[clear kernel]

Also is harvest far weaker than mana stacking?

[clear kernel]

As I thought, but wanted to double check 😂😂

[pearl snow]

Yes but both are strong enough for uber I think

[clear kernel]

Damn didn’t think about it. Is it easy to switch to mana stacking?

[median pebble]

apparently I am ranged only newbie, melee is to hard for me:D

[reef goblet]

why choose when you can do both.

flay trigger chaos bolt trigger harvest.

[pearl snow]

From a harvest setup? Eh its a diff build with a severe addiction to mana and % mana so its just getting gear for another build not necessarily hard

If you only want to play the “meta” then you go mana stack for sure

But both can do uber so who cares

[clear kernel]

Is the survivability better on mana stacking, or there is no difference?

[brazen wigeon]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BO6lNJwQ here check this theorycraft nonsense I'v cramped together, fix resistances with idols or whatever

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (83) / Warlock (10)

General:

▸ Health: 2,640, Regen: 27.2/s
▸ Mana: 536.51, Regen: 0/s
▸ Ward Retention: 194%, Regen: 16/s
▸ Attributes: 12 Str / 42 Dex / 72 Int / 12 Att / 20 Vit
▸ Resistances: 62% / 62% / 62% / 87% / 61% / 147% / 81%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 581
▸ Dodge Chance: 8% (228)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 26% (1,180)

Used skills:

Harvest / Flay / Wandering Spirits / Chaos Bolts / Bone Curse

[pearl snow]

Manor might be a little bit better because you get to use seed of ekkdrasil

Mana

[reef goblet]

what's the point of wandering spirits?

[pearl snow]

Good luck on mana sustain is about all I can say

[brazen wigeon]

45 mana per second, who knows

but yeah not gonna work, it's BS

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/AK2RKwDo much like this one xD

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (93)

General:

▸ Health: 3,132, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 259.51, Regen: 13.12/s
▸ Ward Retention: 118%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 24 Str / 31 Dex / 59 Int / 16 Att / 25 Vit
▸ Resistances: 49% / 49% / 59% / 52% / 52% / 117% / 77%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 36%, Threshold: 1,127
▸ Dodge Chance: 14% (450)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 40% (2,237)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 80%

Used skills:

Flay / Harvest / Death Seal / Reaper Form / Aura Of Decay

[charred ridge]

lol

what's the issue now?

how's the dmg and all?

could be a variety of reasons why you can't kill it

[brazen wigeon]

we plain suck, that's it 😄

tell a date, don't schedule anything else for it, you will carry us all 5-10 uber runs each

[median pebble]

just hands, tank version lacks a bit of damage I get it to first shield or a bit lower on first slam, zHP dps version gets it to 50-60 percent shield

it is doable, build is great

dont have hands, gonna farm for better rolled relic and an axe to slam into my 2lp axe

[brisk elk]

I'm gonna be doing like 60 runs of julra when she has the 2 uniques drop and buying most of what I need

But i think im gonna level my sentinel before I finish the build

[charred ridge]

@ me when that happens? rofl

i never look at that

i thought it was more like

standard unique items

not boss uniques

[brisk elk]

It is

[charred ridge]

oh

[brisk elk]

I just need all the rolls I can get for rr

Lmao

Too stubborn to buy them

I have some other plans for sentinel builds anyways

[charred ridge]

lmao

out of runes of ascension?

just gotta make a quick swap to CoF and buy prophecies

[pearl snow]

The way I used 80 runes of ascension trying to find Wing Guards is a crime

Sometimes they giveth but taketh

[charred ridge]

sounds like you need more gear anyway

but you can definitely do it before 2lps

got all your double mana idols?

[median pebble]

for comfort yes, but a better player would kill it

a do, with julra rings I have 1700+ with tank setup 1800+

[brisk elk]

I want to see how big I can make smelters wrath crit with harmony of the first

[charred ridge]

usually ppl kill it with 1900-2000

i do think it's a bit hard under that

[charred ridge]

lmao

did they buff smelter at all?

[brisk elk]

No but it's always done a lot of damage it's just terrible mechanically

[median pebble]

1900-2000 before the axe increases? or after?

[charred ridge]

i looked back at the judgement thing and turns out i was wrong, mana is not double dipping

[brisk elk]

I didn't think so

[charred ridge]

the judgement cost is indeed consumed, and not included in the tooltip

so it's not that good

[charred ridge]

before

[brisk elk]

It's still a really strong skill

As evidenced by that guys uber time

[charred ridge]

yeah it's strong

[brisk elk]

But I think smite is much, much higher fulldps

[charred ridge]

but gaining 1k mana is actually not a super crazy thing

[brisk elk]

And again smite has the defensive ability of sitting at 0 mana for ward boots

So if you get to 3k mana you can make like 7500 ward per traversal

Also I'm gonna try some stuff with throwing setups for high corruption pushing

Orbit hammerdin is convenient but chaining hammers or forking javelin can offscreen stuff

[charred ridge]

yeah smite could be cool

i'd like to use that staff somehow

it's a cool item

[lost gale]

maybe they fixed it but chaining hammers felt terrible to aim for me, like you'd be mouse over the enemy and the hammers just seem to sail through them, hit boxes are skewed or something.

on controller using the old targeting fixes it but the new targeting also misses hammers all the time

[void sorrel]

Anyone know if a poison army build is good now? Or any army for that matter

[lost gale]

poison skele rogues are decent enough

[void sorrel]

Really. Does it use mages and wraiths or just skelly rogue ?

[old hull]

Just skele rogues, it's enabled by lethal concoction (unique spear)

it's fairly solid as a build

I think abom can also deal a lot of damage with poison, just by nature of having so many multipliers, but then you're playing abom lol (unironically, plague on minion hit is a fairly strong clear boost for abom)

[lost gale]

abom plague hits different tho

[median pebble]

hey does the woven echo which is full of chests but not the vault of barnicle king exists in this patch?

[charred ridge]

unclaimed trove? yes

[median pebble]

how the hell have I not dropped it yet

I am 900+ cr

[charred ridge]

can always buy it

[pearl scarab]

always gotta check in on mr weaver dude to buy stuff

[winged flame]

How cursed is this though

[brisk elk]

there is definitely a use for it

i need to look at what attunement/mana can do for primalist as well

they just nerfed mana stacking storm bolts

its capped at 300% more damage, which is like 1000 current mana

[charred ridge]

EHG and capping nodes

classic

[brisk elk]

i mean if you look at last season's arena ladder you'll see why

offscreening everything

but also there are better ways to nerf it

[charred ridge]

i just think it's funny

[brisk elk]

and tornado was what made it broken

[charred ridge]

that static orb mana nodes were uncapped

now it's capped at 1k mana

storm bolts wern't capped now they're capped at 1k mana

now what

flay is uncapped

i mean

[brisk elk]

i think it is definitely more damage for judgement

[charred ridge]

surely they have 2 brain cells to know what would happen with the mana stacking flay

in 1.4 it'll be capped at 1k

they're 100% doing this on purpose

[brisk elk]

i hope if they do cap it they just make it

one or the other

either dmg or chaos bolts capped

[charred ridge]

they just did 1 node with static orb

[brisk elk]

yeah if they left dmg but limited it to 10 chaos bolts i wouldnt mind

[charred ridge]

chaos bolts dont matter anyway cause your dmg is marrow shards xdd

[brisk elk]

well thats a bug

[charred ridge]

they'd probably cap the dmg

[brisk elk]

obviously fixing the bug is the prio

before capping anything

[charred ridge]

LMAO

😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂

u are funny

nah bro like

they had 1 entire patch to bugfix time rot

they nerfed it and left the bugs in

[brisk elk]

idk

im being otpimistic

lol

[charred ridge]

i think they'll bugfix marrow shards

but im also being

very optimistic

[brisk elk]

well if they do cap it, we will just play bugged marrow shards at exactly 1k mana

lmao

if you take siege barrage javelin can they all hit the same target

or is it in a big area

im theorycrafting

[charred ridge]

whats siege barrage

[brisk elk]

but i deleted my vk for some reason so i cant test

[charred ridge]

smites?

[brisk elk]

where it throws a bunch in the air

[charred ridge]

oh

[brisk elk]

the node before banner

[charred ridge]

i have no idea

[brisk elk]

i was thinking about trying javelin smite instead of hammer smite

but single target dps would be terrible unless it can hit the same target

thrown javelin can like

[mystic cobalt]

How can I view what my "physical spell critical strike chance" is? When I press C, I see spell critical strike chance but that is not varying when I equip/unequip an item with this affix.

[brisk elk]

offscreen everything like marksman

gotta do it manually

[pearl snow]

It is a separate field. If it is not in the other tab or under the damage tab then it is not in the UI anywhere

It only applies for physical spells so it’s added after whatever your base critical chances on cast

[mystic cobalt]

Ok. So I will have to do the math myself to see if I hit max

[brisk elk]

yeah ok jav does work like that

thats useful

i think mana stacker smite could go really far if you have a good way to proc the smites from far away

[pearl snow]

It is possible one of the external tools / planners has a section for it too

[brisk elk]

hammerdin, judgement and multismite all have the same fundamental problem of lacking range

but jav does not

big downside is you lose like 16 mana idols for smite idols

[median pebble]

worth to switch?

[urban dust]

I switched from EvoEnd to a good exalt 🙂

[median pebble]

no way 1 suffix would be better then this EvoEnd

[brisk elk]

bis for mana stacker is gonna be nihilis with a max mana roll

but 3lp evo end is better than that nihilis for sure

its even better for any build that isnt mana stacker

max attribute roll and 2 skills with 3lp is crazy

[charred ridge]

ye prob save it for another build

if you plan to play one

[grim rune]

any build suggestions

[urban dust]

give it to me

j/k 🙂

[median pebble]

honestly I might roll another build just for this amulet, probably my best pull this season

after I farm enough gear for my lich to kill uber 😄

[charred ridge]

lightning blast?

[median pebble]

if there are any warlock builds apart from whiplock, that wand would be probably BIS

[charred ridge]

chthonic fissure usually uses ladle

[median pebble]

I do not remember warlock patchnotes for this season but last season whiplock was the only good build for warlock

and that one cant use ladle

[brisk elk]

mana stacker flay marrow shards can use a wand

but yeah any sorc/runemaster, smite, judgement

idk

[charred ridge]

you're prob counting wrong

using traitor's tongue or rune dagger?

i mean if you have 118% inc crit you're just missing really obvious things

you get 250% baseline

you get 250% just baseline for existing as a lich, put on another 80% from the blessing, if you have max rolls on your traitor's tongue & axe you get to 95%

[orchid heron]

i have a 2LP Traitor's Tongue; and an Exalted Dagger with t7 melee cold dmg / t5 melee atk spd / t1 shred armor / trash -- do i slam it?

[wispy gazelle]

What is the pros and cons between Harvest Flay and Mana Flay build? Planning on making one of them as my second character and have most of the items for either build

[worthy arch]

i bought 2 crystalized hearts from bloodhorn, they are in my inventory yet it says i still have only one when im in the shop

and on my key slots it says i have one

am i missing something?

ok apparently dropping them and picking them up worked.

right on.

[topaz marlin]

press the transfer button?

[worthy arch]

tried that.

only worked dropping and picking them up.

weird

[topaz marlin]

u might've set ur transfer to auto in settings so it did that when u dropped n picked it up again

but yes it won't count until u've transferred into ur keys slot

abit odd but imo not a huge deal

[timber torrent]

okay, so, question for the big brain necros here - for fun i put on thornshield and thicket of blinding light (the reflect damage setup) to try and make a minion-reflect kind of build. I cant see numbers and i have no way to be sure but I "think" the reflect is affected by Bone curse, and possibly dread shade as well but have no way to tell. Thoughts? All i know is i went suddenly from zoomaster build to a few changes and suddenly my skeles arent even making it into melee

[charred ridge]

is lich tanky?

[old hull]

The reflect stuff doesn't hit and isn't affected by resistance and isn't buffed by damage stats, so bone curse and dread shade don't affect it. It's just kinda OP.

[timber torrent]

thank you, i dont have a full shaman/whatever reflect setup, and wasnt sure if that was normal

good to know though

[obtuse totem]

To be fair you have nearly perfect gear

[charred ridge]

i wouldn't say that

but yes my gear is good

im missing probably like 1.5k hp

i also didnt have this node kek

[drowsy ocean]

do anyone think abom should have no devour node?

or think abom is going backward with this devour compared to decay?

[obtuse quest]

It just forces you to play fully around Abom, which is their intention anyway

[orchid heron]

Does Harvest proc Twisted Heart's ability or no because it's classified as melee and not a spell?

[obtuse quest]

No, harvest is a melee, not a spell.

No procs.

[orchid heron]

so lich's harvest flay build runs it more for the hp% then?

[obtuse quest]

Yes.

(At least the maxroll build does)

[lethal cairn]

Hello, I'd like to get advice on my flay mana lich, it seems that I'm not doing enough damage to uberroth. Aside from my Idols, what can I do next? my t7 slams are not doing it for me compared to my ES VK..
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/AK22zMLo

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 92

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.1

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (75) / Warlock (10)

General:

▸ Health: 3,124, Regen: 18.88/s
▸ Mana: 1,372.7, Regen: 14.24/s
▸ Ward Retention: 194%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 4 Str / 8 Dex / 97 Int / 4 Att / 8 Vit
▸ Resistances: 77% / 81% / 83% / 90% / 34% / 82% / 42%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 62%, Threshold: 1,413
▸ Dodge Chance: 1% (32)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 23% (868)

Used skills:

Reaper Form / Flay / Chaos Bolts / Marrow Shards / Harvest

[little wigeon]

You are missing armor shred. Gotta bump up the mana to at least 2k (can run double mana affixes with sentinel/rogue transferred onto a unique). Missing the crit multi from reaper form (50%), would remove the reap stuff. Other than that it looks like a solid start.

[charred ridge]

what makes you say i don't like marrow shards?

i am spec'ed into it

if i'm not spec'ed into it i'm just making a video demonstrating an ethical build

because marrow shards are bugged and unethical

but otherwise i'm a filthy bug abuser and spec'ing it 🤷‍♀️

[lethal cairn]

thanks for the feed back! yea im definitely lacking the shred, I adjusted my reaper for and it does make a difference!

[steady plank]

lp4 but rolled horribly 🙁

[cold terrace]

it's really good for flay mana lich since it doesn't need minion skills

[reef goblet]

But why use this anyway if your build doesn't utilize minions...

[charred ridge]

just because an item has an affix doesn't mean you have to use that affix

[pearl snow]

Plenty of uniques have specific affixes that dont normally exist in that slot so you end up using it for maybe 1 or 2 of those instead of the original intention

[charred ridge]

granted im not a minion person so i wouldnt know, but in my own experience i've seen this ring used many more times for the crit and the mana, than for the minion stuff

[pearl snow]

yeah its more used for crit and mana than minions

granted we are also aco so

forged weapons dont exist

[charred ridge]

that ring is almost perfectly rolled for those builds

but idk what build this would be BiS for

with those specific rolls i mean, otherwise i think it's bis for ballistas

[obtuse quest]

Because it's an easy source of flat critical strike chance on a slot that can't get it normally.

[steady plank]

hmmm i guess skill levels snap shot with minions so i can just summon with a +2 then swap it in

[reef goblet]

Didn't notice the flat crit earlier.

I did have a 2LP phantom grip.

[steady plank]

I wanna try a 5 golem abomination, surely stomp will eat the whole screen with x450% area and u can get around the engorgment/death in the family to still benefit from it so uld only lose the 68% from missing 17 skelly bros

[drifting grotto]

Hey guys! I've got a detailed written guide and a youtube guide for this build! Handling 1200c+ and still climbing! 2500+hrs and its my favourite build! I hope you all enjoy it as much as I do!

Video Guide: https://youtu.be/w9L9US0cS7U?si=XVgSsdpCdZ14t_70

Detailed Written Guide: https://www.lastepochtools.com/build-guides/necrotic-flay-trigger-lich---truesight-glass

[stuck owl]

Necrotic Flay Trigger Lich - Truesight Glass Build Guide

Game Cycle / Version

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class

Acolyte / Lich

Used skills

• Harvest
• Marrow Shards
• Reaper Form
• Flay
• Chaos Bolts

Used unique items

• Boneclamor Barbute
• Null Portent
• Executioner's Tithe
• Traitor's Tongue
• Grasp of the Blood Mage
• Brewmaster's Buckle
• Army of Skin
• Font of the Erased
• Red Ring of Atlaria
• Truesight Glass
• Stormcarved Testament

Tags

Boss Killer / Monolith Farmer / Melee

Created by Chukkles · Sep 3, 2025, 4:22 AM

[charred ridge]

cool stuff man

just as a headsup cause i can see that most of your damage is marrow shards: that skill is bugged and does a lot more dmg than it's supposed to

it's something that EHG might fix

[drifting grotto]

oh its ok even without it the build still destroys, i was using death seal and no marrow shards until recently

[charred ridge]

yeah it's still really good with just chaos bolts

just gotta brace ourselves for the eventual bugfix

as it'll take a lot more investment to reach the same amount of damage without marrow shards

(but on the bright side you'd be able to run death seal again which is cool)

[drifting grotto]

yeah its fine really, i was doing 1000c with no marrow shards at all, only swapped to it recently because i got +4 to flay on chest

i kind of want death seal back lol its tankiness was so good

i still use it unspecced for scary moments though

[charred ridge]

you can even facetank the uber big slam with death seal

it's funny

also i see you're 8/8 in the 40% increased dmg tripled at low life

another headsup but corrupted form is bugged and doesn't actually make you low life

so you won't get the tripled value unless you're actually going under 35%

[reef goblet]

Is acolyte a bug class?

[obtuse quest]

A what

[reef goblet]

Lurking in the discord for 1 hour and already know about two bugs...

[obtuse quest]

In that context, every class is a bug class.

(lol lmao rogue's existance)

[drifting grotto]

thats a bit annoying, i need to find a list of current known bugs lol

[reef goblet]

Int stacking harvest bleed?

[lost gale]

are those unspecialised rip blood? how you reapplying 1 hit blood curse so often? looks faster than cursed limbs 1s cd

[reef goblet]

it appears that he used the node converting bone curse to aura

[obtuse quest]

I see Penance there.

[obtuse quest]

Aura doesn't work when Illusion of Pain is specced.

...

Wait

Those are bone golems with bone novas

Who also have penance

[acoustic fable]

Wrong channel bro go back to Mage plz

[grim rune]

lmfao

[lost gale]

yeah i've been thinking about this tech with rip blood targeting minions & marrow shards hitting minions to get extra procs but the golem tree is a bit light on damage really

wanted to use the hitrate to spam ailments but the damage the golem gets mostly doesn't apply to ailments

[willow eagle]

Hi, I recently started my adventure with LE, could anyone recommend a build for necromancer?

[serene lichen]

Ok sry idk wth acolyte got too many things goin on

[serene lichen]

It’s specced ya

[grim rune]

i feel tanky

[lost gale]

spirit plague unspecialised then?

[worthy arch]

Thick

[main stratus]

Is a hollow lich + fangs of the berserker any sort of common build in here? Idk if it's good but numbers look fun

That's with maxing leech mainly, and summing the node before hollow lich with the belt, and insane frenzy effect

[topaz marlin]

quick question, do wraith's melee cleave or single target?

[obtuse quest]

Small aoe, cleaves.

[topaz marlin]

ahh hrmmm and the flame wraiths are single target right? their fireballs doesn't splash?