💀┃acolyte

[abstract summit]

i dont have enough time for dying

[vivid ruin]

I dont feel squishy at 450. Notyhing really kills me. I'm finally pushing one timeline now so we'll see where it goes. I expect to cruise till 600 at least.

[astral kettle]

If my minion is dealing Melee necrotic damage then will +10 Minion Melee damage increase my minion's melee necrotic damage too?

[obtuse quest]

Yes

[astral kettle]

Does Amalgam Of Primalists node from the Golem Skill tree node stack if I have multiple golems?

[rugged charm]

TIL you can take Infernal Shade off your hotbar and it stays applied on your Abom

[obtuse quest]

No

[sweet spade]

@abstract summit i vaguely recall tests from last season saying that only the tiers transfer, and only within the same bracket

7x/xx will never become xx/7x for example

[abstract summit]

K but what about sealed t7s

Can they "move up" or those bases are trash (is what im trying to find out but no proc yet)

[sweet spade]

don't know, ppl didn't get sealed t7s last patch (cause it was all trove)

[vivid ruin]

Yea the sealed similar items node seems trsh

All season trying to geta decent armor to T8 and still nada. Using silly primordial relic still.

[lost gale]

has anyone tried cursing bone golem with penance to spam the bone spray? I know we did it when penance had no cooldown to great (server destroying) effect but is it still good?

every single attack by the golem would have a bone spray accompanying it, can't be that bad right?

[grim rune]

not bad for a start of empowered on alt XD

[sweet spade]

eh, how am i getting mini stunned with woven flesh still... should be crit immune

[lost gale]

stun =/= crit, it's about how much damage a hit deals iirc

[lost cliff]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BGWgN1xB
https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/harvest-lich-guide#skills-header GUYS SO IDK WHAT I S HOULD BE DOING NOW AND WHAT TO AIM TO UPGRADE NEXT

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 72

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (65)

General:

▸ Health: 1,382, Regen: 28.81/s
▸ Mana: 130.36, Regen: 9.12/s
▸ Ward Retention: 124%, Regen: 6/s
▸ Attributes: 7 Str / 25 Dex / 62 Int / 7 Att / 12 Vit
▸ Resistances: 69% / 124% / 55% / 54% / 84% / 60% / 85%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 414
▸ Dodge Chance: 12% (278)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 22% (634)

Used skills:

Reaper Form / Harvest / Flay / Aura Of Decay / Transplant

[sweet spade]

dot dmg is seriously stupid broken - died through death seal against a fire beetle, wtf

[obtuse quest]

The noise of a stun is not the noise of a crit

[sweet spade]

i guess pretty much all crits are stuns, but not all stuns are crits?

[junior elbow]

does physical conversion on reaper form also convert additional necrotic damage into physical on this node?

[obtuse quest]

Crits don't always stun.

They only generally are because your max hp+ current ward is low enough-

[crisp ridge]

thats hot

[gritty cargo]

just use ghostflame and be stun immune

[gritty cargo]

no

you'd think things like that would be reworked if they ever did an acolye rework

[sweet spade]

fml these stuns are annoying af

[lost cliff]

what stronger harvest lich or necro

[vivid ruin]

Gonna slap uber abby for first time shortly. Anything important I need to know for the fight?

[proud pilot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ng9QPKOlfc Flay ManaStack vs Uberroth. It's on legacy with super juiced gear like almost perfect idols, lp3+ items etc.
tl;dr: Don't like it as much as normal flay. It has better damage - for sure twice the as much single target. But it's slow and squishy. I personally think that Lich's ability to scale offense and defense via int and dex at the same time is the coolest part about it. Having to throw out dex in favour of mana just skews the itemisation and the build towards an ultraglasscannon. I am sure people here will love it though. ymmv

[tawny peak]

learn the fight in phases, and practice

you will die a lot if its your first time, its normal

also you will most likely need to respec a few things specifically for that fight, at least i usually do on my chars, but that comes with time

good luck and enjoy the thrill of killing him ❤️

[hollow flint]

10k hp, oh boy, do you have a planner for that?

[proud pilot]

you can see skills, gear, stats and passives in the video

i can slap you planner together real quick, gimme a moment

[proud pilot]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/ALJwYXnB

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (83) / Warlock (10)

General:

▸ Health: 6,677, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 1,699.81, Regen: 19.68/s
▸ Ward Retention: 264%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 5 Str / 24 Dex / 132 Int / 5 Att / 6 Vit
▸ Resistances: 48% / 48% / 48% / 67% / 67% / 75% / 35%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 47%, Threshold: 2,611
▸ Dodge Chance: 3% (96)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 28% (1,273)

Used skills:

Marrow Shards / Flay / Chaos Bolts / Reaper Form / Harvest

[proud pilot]

ignore the skills/passives and take it from the video

you might need a bit more frost resist - its slapped together after all. have fun

[sweet spade]

oh wow

rift beast has the same animation bug as the bumblebear

[grim rune]

ayy

[real turret]

@autumn bough ok my veil build was just bugged somehow, remade it and now its actually 2x dmg of last league

[autumn bough]

whaaaa

!!!

was it bugfixed?

thats what i thought it should be

at least according to math it should be double dps

[real turret]

i think it was just something messed with my copied setup from last league

[autumn bough]

hmm did u change gear or just update the game?

🤔

[swift forge]

can someone explain to me on all these lich builds how we are applying curse on enemies when there seemingly is no skill that applies it?

[real turret]

i remade in seasonal and it worked

[swift forge]

chaos bolt reapplies it if the target is cursed, but how do you get the initial curse is what I'm wondering

[autumn bough]

ill try that at home, i was so bummed out and was clearly some bullsht going on, glad its fixed its one of my most favorite builds in le

enjoy

have u seen my variation with idol chest?

[autumn bough]

flay applies 2 curses on hit, lich form gives mark on hit

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/planner/rfb780qc#1

[real turret]

nah, link if u got a planner

[autumn bough]

above

[real turret]

ty

[autumn bough]

i think it might better than frenzy helm for corruption cause giga dodge

i was thinking maybe even going seed but need too many stats

[real turret]

theres no way to hit yourself in this game is there?

[little wigeon]

Flay has mark of death and a cold cold curse on hit in its tree

[autumn bough]

penenace pig amulet

+bone curse

u can do it on this build but ull lose 1 curse

actually just ye 1 amulet swap and u are abusing dodge after being hit

[somber notch]

Anyone know if there’s a way to force Assemble Abomination to consume Summon Wraith first? My Skeletons always respawn endlessly and the Wraith just despawns before getting eaten.

[gritty cargo]

auracast bonecurse that applies bone curse, decrepify, and marked for death

[swift forge]

What is auracast?

[gritty cargo]

its a node in bone curse to be auracast

[swift forge]

Wait... MFD is considered a curse?

[swift forge]

You dont skill bone curse at all

In the builds I've seen at least

[gritty cargo]

you do if you can fit it

[swift forge]

Like what are you going to drop?

[gritty cargo]

marrow shards

[swift forge]

You have flay, which casts chaos bolt, marrow shards. You have reaper form, and you have either rip blood or harvest

[swift forge]

Isn't that a big dps loss?

[fluid escarp]

So for lich, what's a good HP to chill at? I yearn for the 5k hp

[gritty cargo]

on dot they dont hit very hard, if the opportunity cost of the extra mana drain from auracasting bone curse, the more multi makes up for it, and you get the fat shield generation

[real turret]

@autumn bough any idea how to drop penance amulet on LE Hud? all 3 options just drop decrepify for me

[gritty cargo]

on crit, if you dont need the acid skin to hit cap, its probably shit

[swift forge]

Hmmm okay ill think about it. I'm still leveling and have none of the needed uniques so im in struggle town haha

I used all my ascendency runes on boots and got nothing, and still using a basic axe and dagger

It is what it is

[sweet spade]

👀

what could go wrong 🤷

[obtuse quest]

Yes, it's part of the OG curses

[sweet spade]

sometimes i get massive crits and just chunk bosses, othertimes it whittles, no idea what the mechanic is

[swift forge]

I never knew. Thanks haha

[autumn bough]

hahaha use rune of ascendence

[sweet spade]

11 abberoth, 0 nihilus, wow

[warped coral]

Hopefully quick question...
Does anyone know what benefit the new Low Life passive node has over going missing health gained as ward per sec for lich?

(aside that you can scale life leech/regen)

[sweet spade]

if you mean instead of not choosing it, 180% increased dmg, and non-stop leech

[hollow flint]

you can scale the new leech as damage node very hard with it too

[warped coral]

180% inc dmg?

[hollow flint]

thats probably all the increased damage while low life passives

[warped coral]

8*5% ... 40 times 2 ... is 80, then the lich passive is 50, where is the other 50? :D

[hollow flint]

I only get to 120% though

oh, the 4 nodes in reaper form is 100%

and the 40 times 2 is 80

i guess

[warped coral]

There are spell damage idols as well, I am aware, but if you want melee...then life leech scaling is I guess the way to go?

Ahhh reaper form ok ok

forgot about that

[hollow flint]

I run melee damage leeches as health with the leech as damage node and corrupted form

[warped coral]

Btw, does it bother some people that sometimes they use "Low health" and other times "low life"? :P Makes search difficult

[hollow flint]

thats the whole game, tooltips are all over the place

[obtuse quest]

Low Health is used twice in the game lmao, game normally uses Low Life.

[hollow flint]

armor and armour, taken as physical vs taken as physical damage

there are dozens of these

[warped coral]

haha ok np

It's a minor thing anyway, i don't mind too much, just difficult for search

[warped coral]

How do you leech life back then?

Cuz it replaces life leech no?

[hollow flint]

I dont

[warped coral]

Hahaha

[hollow flint]

rip blood is more than enough to cap

[warped coral]

Kill before getting killed, check check.

[ionic forge]

if you convert Harvest to cold with Shatter, does Harrowing Blade now shred cold res?

[gritty cargo]

death seal and rip blood used to be good back then

[hollow flint]

i have 150ish int, thats a lot of heal from rip blood

[warped coral]

and how much dex? :O

[hollow flint]

about 40, but dex isnt that important imo with the damage buff from the boots

[obtuse quest]

Yes

[warped coral]

true true

[ionic forge]

thanks!

[unique epoch]

printed

[warped coral]

the boots were amazing buff once I found em

[hollow flint]

imo they are way too strong

[warped coral]

maybe I should go int as well... less mana problems probably as well

[hollow flint]

and good lp chances too

[warped coral]

yeah 13 times 6 flat dmg ... 78 flat dmg easily obtained

[hollow flint]

its a "all flay builds play this item" thing and I hate that design

[warped coral]

which in turn on flay is 200 effect

[charred ridge]

nope

army of skin?

it's a good item for every flay build but it is absolutely not mandatory unless you play specifically melee flay/melee harvest

[hollow flint]

all melee flay builds I guess

[charred ridge]

ya

[warped coral]

How do you trigger rip blood again on flay/harvest? :P First time Acolyte/Lich here :P

[hollow flint]

the boots

[warped coral]

huh

[charred ridge]

can agree with that

[hollow flint]

and blood thing from warlock

[warped coral]

Lol

[hollow flint]

Bleed overload

[warped coral]

I should read better :D

[hollow flint]

yeah, the boots do everything for the melee build

[unique epoch]

i mean all melee will use the boot, not just flay

[charred ridge]

49 lpl is weird because almost every other pair of boots in the entire game are 70 lpl (bar shit levelling boots)

[warped coral]

You doing cold version as well or which flavor? @hollow flint

[charred ridge]

im not complaining, i hate how boots are so much harder to get at 2 LP in general compared to other item slots

[hollow flint]

yeah, its just bonkers that they introduced these boots in the same patch where they nerfed blood of the exile

[charred ridge]

but it is an outliar in that way

[hollow flint]

im doing phys

[charred ridge]

blood nerf is aids but makes sense

[hollow flint]

yeah it does make sense, but it doesnt make sense to introduce boots that are way stronger in the same patch 😄

[charred ridge]

I dont like it cause it just pushes attribute stackers towards foot of the mountain which is terribly unfun

who wants -30% ms

not me lmfao

[hollow flint]

yeah, all cool foot of the mountain builds I created died because playing those builds sucks hard

[charred ridge]

think it would be cool if ms on boots was a bit more standardized so you can actually choose a pair of boots for what they actually do, and not just "this has movespeed"

so many builds require mourninfrost to function and it's just like dead on arrival to me

snowdrift even worse

[hollow flint]

or just introduce other forms of movespeed from other slots

[charred ridge]

frostbite = dead ailment

[charred ridge]

there are tons

but it's not the issue imo

more is always better

[warped coral]

So you drop transplant? @hollow flint sorry to ask stuff :P I am trying to make cold version anyway, but wonder which 5 skills you spec into then
Rip blood;Flay/Harvest (both?) Aura of Decay?

[hollow flint]

yeah i dont have transplant specced, its still on my bar though

[warped coral]

right, rip blood is triggered so doesn't need to be there

[hollow flint]

I have rip blood, flay, aura of decay, seal and reaper form

[warped coral]

(y) thx for ideas :D

[hollow flint]

you need to be quite tanky when relying on rip blood though, since its not as reliable as leech

you sometimes take a few hits between heals. Not like leech where you only ever die to oneshots

[warped coral]

true, understandable

I will first play with the leech and graudually try when i feel like i am geared up fine

[unique epoch]

hmm is there a dex stack version of harvest flay? To ultilize the CB proc node

[warped coral]

(only started this season like yesterday anyway)

[grim rune]

i love how busted these modifeers are on harbs and beasts

literaly u do 0 dmg

[sudden zephyr]

When running the maxroll flay harvest, does flay actually proc the ward effect from twisted heart? If not, which skills do

[hollow flint]

spells you actively use proc it

[charred ridge]

they use twisted heart as a stat stick

hp and strength (= armor)

not for ward

[warped coral]

CB node?

[hollow flint]

chance to proc harvest on CB hit per dex

[hollow flint]

the 3 times per second limit makes stacking dex kinda useless though

[sudden zephyr]

So what actually helps with ward on the maxroll build? Cause my ward is never at max it feels

[hollow flint]

since 20 dex will probably already max this

[charred ridge]

dunno i don't play it

[warped coral]

I meant what does CB stand for? :P

[hollow flint]

chaos bolt 😄

[charred ridge]

chaos bolts

[warped coral]

:D

[hollow flint]

if thats the mana stack build then font of the erased is probably nice for ward

[charred ridge]

it's not

he's playing harvest

[hollow flint]

then rip ward

im happy if I reach 600ish ward on my melee flay

[unique epoch]

i think that build get ward by using the relic ? Convert your current health to ward

btw i have something to flex

[ionic forge]

is there any way to convert Decaying Form to Cold? Thinking to try converting my moves, and then realized I'd be losing this

[hollow flint]

nope, its always poison

but converting your aura of decay to phys or cold is always the right move unless you play a poison build

[obtuse quest]

No. Passive nodes cannot ever convert unless it clearly states so.

[ionic forge]

thx

[north lance]

missed 16str

[pulsar raven]

does the % damage increase from int apply to frostbite applied by harvest? After getting some % damage mods i seemed to do way more damage than i thought I would if it did....

[obtuse quest]

Yes, affects all ailments, it's considered generic damage increase.

[pulsar raven]

ok, so good, but i may just be underrating % damage mods i guess

[torpid plinth]

what boots do poison builds typically go for

[obtuse quest]

Iirc something generic.

[torpid plinth]

so i guess just blood of the exile

free stats screw it

[pearl snow]

I’m running advent of the erased for extra ward gen and I got a decent roll

[torpid plinth]

alright cool was looking at poison builds since im not sure if my gear just sucks or bleed flay aint it

i think im gonna try a bit more tonight with it when i get a blood of the exile and see if that fixes the clearspeed damage problem

i was trying out those new army of skin boots for like the past few days

the damage felt high enough with symbol of demise but either A i need to use a dagger to make it feel good for attack speed or B i need to use executioner's tithe to solve mana

to be fair once i grab a shattered worlds the attack speed should feel fine with frenzy

also i guess im not sure if the damage "issue" is just a byproduct of it being a bleed build

kinda cooked since i played falcon dive in 1.0 and erasing strike -> warpath in 1.2

so im used to just having giga hit damage

[gritty cargo]

virion chariot

[torpid plinth]

oh yea huh that would do it

get like 70% MS + haste and thats like 90-100 % inc damage

[gritty cargo]

its got everything

if your using ghostflame, fissure, reap, flay etc you get the fat more multi

ghostflame will snapshot the 40% more multi for the whole echo or bossfight

[north lance]

hard to me 😭

[amber fable]

Hello, I would like to know how the health of minions consumed by the abomination is calculated.

Is it the total health of the minions or by minion type?

[jagged marten]

seems like the biggest difference from the build you were posting is the maxroll ones using phantom grips with grasp of blood instead of Stardials. Or is there a bigger difference between the builds? some of the passives are little different i guess but im not as familiar with the build ins and outs as others...

I guess they are using MS as well instead of rip blood

which is bugged right?

[charred ridge]

rip blood is just a remnant of pre-patch theorycraft

i use death seal but you can use MS for more dmg if you don't mind using bugged interactions on a build that really doesn't need it anyway

[pallid dawn]

is heart of uhkeiros supposed to give my chaos bolt +2 or +1

[charred ridge]

maxroll is oriented towards casual friendly setups that are easy to gear and that you can play with a missing arm and still stay alive

on low budget

[jagged marten]

ah so I was looking at an older build of yours then

[charred ridge]

my builds aim for high end performance that may or may not require higher budget or precise play

[jagged marten]

thats part of the fun with this lich though is you have to play it

[charred ridge]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Noobzor you can check my online character here

my lich is super behind though cause i only had 24 hours to play the patch before leaving on vacation

but you can see my skill setup and can gather ideas from there

[jagged marten]

thats what ive been doing for the most part, you mentioned Traitors would be replaced by a T8 dagger though right, like that should the best damage? I briefly saw a conversation about that but didnt see it all the way through

[charred ridge]

yeah

doesnt matter all that much though

the dmg on this build is so overkill

unless u are autistic like me you can just get whatever is more convenient and you'll still smash through everything

[boreal rampart]

can anyone explain how curse spells scale? there aren't really tooltips on the lastepochtools, it just says 'spell' and 'curse' but I don't know what the added damage effectiveness is

[charred ridge]

t8 rune dagger means less crit meaning you will need more budget to cover for that

[jagged marten]

which is why the maxroll versions running the phantomgrip/grasp of blood combo if i understand it right

[charred ridge]

eh

not really

[jagged marten]

mana and flat crit right?

[charred ridge]

they probably just found that it was more dmg at low budget

which is highly debatable cus there's nothing more efficient and budget than stardials

think they just really wanted to use that t8 dagger

[jagged marten]

yeah its a sick dagger lol

[charred ridge]

should be easy enough to craft with the new glyph of envy

[obtuse quest]

Total health

[obtuse quest]

100% unless specified otherwise, like torment.

[obtuse quest]

2, Assuming no converts.

[jagged marten]

what do you think of Nihilis over the new neck? Kind of curious on those

[charred ridge]

12% mana good

and the dino is fking annoying

[jagged marten]

yes it is...and the puddles it drops scare me

[boreal rampart]

100%/sec or 100% total?

[obtuse quest]

Total.

[lost gale]

can you imprint T8 primordial exalted items?

[tender ridge]

I don't think anything is stopping you

idk if it will work since T8's don't drop naturally

[charred ridge]

let us know what happens if you want to test it

but ye as said above i don't think it will result in anything special

[lost gale]

I can't even play really, my laptop has given up on life

[charred ridge]

F

[lost gale]

it's still up to some indie games that would run on a core 2 duo but it's not enjoying my attempts to cajole it into running LE (like <15fps at best and very very choppy)

[charred ridge]

you could look up Geforce NOW

you can test it for free see how it works for you

well tbf you can use it for free for as long as you'd like but you'll need to relog every hour

it lets you play games on a remote machine with good specs and streams it back to your browser

[lost gale]

huh, maybe I'll give it a go

[charred ridge]

think as long as you have good internet it should be ok

i just tried it on vacation this week on an absolute monstrosity of a laptop

it didn't work for me cus my internet was also terrible but aside from lag spikes etc i did manage to do some stuff still

[grim field]

is warlock good for bleed or is it lich due to changes?

[astral kettle]

Is normal Abbomination better or Necrotic Abomination?

[lost gale]

phys abom can get 50% more damage from bone curse, necrotic abom benefits more from dread shade

it's really up to you how you make use of that knowledge

[topaz marlin]

hey ya'll, if Summon Wraith's node Necrotic Hunger says +Necrotic damage, does that include Damned DoT damage or does it have to specifically say Damage over Time increase?

[lost gale]

+flat doesn't interact with ailments

well, not those kinds of ailments, there are ailments which are also spells and have damage effectiveness

but damned/ignite/bleed/poison/frostbite/electrocute/time rot aren't that kind of ailment

[astral kettle]

I will using level 0 bone curse by swapping out Abomination skill for Bone curse after summoning it. I am not using Dread shade but am thinking of using Rite Of undeath passive node with lots of uncapped necro resist.

[topaz marlin]

aight thanks, even if it says "more necrotic damage" right? I assume it's just a first initial hit damage and not the applied Damned after?

[lost gale]

if it says 30% more necrotic damage then that will increase damned damage. If it says +20 necrotic melee damage or +20 necrotic spell damage then that won't do anything for damned

[topaz marlin]

oh! sounds great then thanks!!

[lost gale]

you cannot take abomination off your bar after summoning it, that will kill your abomination and unspecialised bone curse isn't worth using for abom unless you have some effect which just needs a curse to work & playing abomination without dread shade is uh, well it's a terrible choice really.

It's your build and you can do whatever you want ofc but Dread shade is a huge buff and necro is balanced around the assumption that you'll be using it

the reason to use bone curse is the node which says bone curse affects your minion and your minion gains 10% increased phys damage per point up to 5 points for 4s when affected by bone curse. There's literally no other reason to use bone curse off the top of my head

[astral kettle]

I have pearls of the swine XD. I'll be at very low hp to generate ward from missing health. Build isn't finished yet but currently sitting at 2636 HP

[lost gale]

are you applying acid skin to give enemies a chance to be crit then?

[astral kettle]

No I am applying decrepify. 527% more damage when my build isn't finished yet seemed too good to pass up X_X

[lost gale]

why? What DOT is your abomination applying?

I think you've misunderstood what decrepify does

[astral kettle]

I have a feeling I am misunderstanding it too X_X

[lost gale]

1. the enemy takes 15% more damage from damage over time ONLY
2. the enemy takes 20 phys DOT DPS for 10 seconds
3. the 20 phys DOT DPS has 100% damage effectiveness with the tags spell, curse, damage over time (so flat damage which applies to those things adds 100% of its value per second to that base 20)
4. that phys DOT deals 1% more damage per 5 health you are missing when you apply it

the enemy takes 15% more damage over time bit isn't scaled by your health or anything else, it's just a static effect

[astral kettle]

SO damned applied through necrotic melee hits wouldn't be effective for this?

[lost gale]

Damned would deal 15% more damage, the hits wouldn't be increased at all.

but really abomination is all about hitting hard not applying dots

[astral kettle]

So overall bad amulet choice XD Thanks for letting me know. I also have necro penetration through uncapped necro resist from Rite Of Undeath passive node. This was also one reason I was thinking of going necro Abomination.

[lost gale]

that's a good reason

though I think the phys res reduction from aura of decay is probably more meta

[astral kettle]

yea true. I wanted a huge army so I am playing with 17+ minions XD with minions having 200% armor shred on hit.

Sadly I couldn't see anything that could help them shred Necro resist 🙁

[lost gale]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/ailments/necrotic_res_shred/sources every source of necrotic res shred in the game

armor shred is better anyway, even for necrotic damage

[grim rune]

ay

[astral kettle]

With 17+ minions and 200% armor shred is that enough or should I get armor shred on myself too? I do have high atk speed with harvest.

[astral kettle]

Congrats! You have used all your luck. You won't be getting married now XD

[lost gale]

if you're sustaining more than 80 stacks then you have enough.

https://lastepoch.tunklab.com/armor click on shred and non-physical

you can see the diminishing returns of more and more armor shred

[astral kettle]

I think my minions can get it to 80 since I am investing atk speed on them.

[lost gale]

they should easily be able to

[astral kettle]

Thank you for the help ^_^

[grim rune]

on that exalted rune dagger now XD

[astral kettle]

I haven't even played. I am still making my build XD

How do I calculate T-rex HP with its % more HP? If I just calculate with added and increased HP then I have 34k HP on T-rex. IDK if this is enough. I don't want my dino dying mid fight XD

[real turret]

@autumn bough https://streamable.com/drlsh8

what happens to 5k orobyss in zhp gear xd

4-5bil per profane veil?

[drifting mantle]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BEpqPrXQ

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 96

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Necromancer (79) / Lich (10)

General:

▸ Health: 5,011, Regen: 24.3/s
▸ Mana: 159.69, Regen: 9.2/s
▸ Ward Retention: 170%, Regen: 23/s
▸ Attributes: 49 Str / 24 Dex / 65 Int / 19 Att / 23 Vit
▸ Resistances: 76% / 62% / 103% / 58% / 95% / 117% / 77%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 185%, Threshold: 1,002
▸ Dodge Chance: 4% (110)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 57% (3,816)
▸ Block Chance: 88%, Mitigation: 46% (1,659)

Used skills:

Assemble Abomination / Summon Skeleton / Aura Of Decay / Dread Shade / Infernal Shade

[drifting mantle]

want opinion optimizing this abom necro build

[autumn bough]

xddd

[autumn bough]

wait so all u did was remake same char on season and not legacy to fix bug?

[astral kettle]

Does the global crit chace and crit multiplier from Learned Weakness in the Harvest skill tree also apply to minions?

[real turret]

Ye but more likely I just messed up something on the legacy char

[umbral garden]

What are you using for sustain?

[real turret]

Remade manually

[autumn bough]

Well i had the same thing so dont think u messed up anything i logged in and was doing 2x less dps

[real turret]

Oh rip

[north lance]

If it doesn't mention anything about minions, it means no

[tired terrace]

Explody minions necro is fun. Only just got to monos, but so far it's solid

[real turret]

Also free 60% multi taking off bone curse from bars and replacing with spirit plague

or actually more with the warlock stuff

[drifting mantle]

mostly the 16 potions from jungle queen lol, but honestly I either take no damage or die in one hit even with 5k hp

[umbral garden]

I think you are also struggling a bit for endurance to cap ur block, ur gonna need some really high rolls. I am personally not a fan of the CDR nodes in the Abom tree and think Stomp is OP

[drifting mantle]

yeah, at 88% block is not good

I like the CDR nodes because more 4mil double strike is awesome

what do you think about the stomp attack?

[umbral garden]

you can get like 100% cdr from idols, so that extra 50% on top just doesn't do a whole lot, whereas with stomp u get an extra ability with high dmg

it also stuns 1200 corruption orobyss and breaks him from doing stuff

[drifting mantle]

that's pretty nice, how often does he stun

[umbral garden]

whenever he uses stomp and the enemy is not dead

[drifting mantle]

might try that then

how would you redistribute the 31 points?

[umbral garden]

I have a planner if you want?

[drifting mantle]

sure, would love to check it

[umbral garden]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/ApZ86PjB

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (25) / Necromancer (78) / Lich (10)

General:

▸ Health: 3,532, Regen: 29.2/s
▸ Mana: 184.51, Regen: 10.88/s
▸ Ward Retention: 443%, Regen: 120/s
▸ Attributes: 173 Str / 17 Dex / 173 Int / 17 Att / 38 Vit
▸ Resistances: 67% / 67% / 67% / 192% / 67% / 125% / 145%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 43%, Threshold: 706
▸ Dodge Chance: 3% (92)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 72% (7,210)
▸ Block Chance: 187%, Mitigation: 44% (1,560)

Used skills:

Assemble Abomination / Summon Skeleton / Dread Shade / Aura Of Decay / Infernal Shade

This build has a guide:

Abomination Build And Summoning Process. by Doominated

[drifting mantle]

oh you went with the cleaver solution/low life build

[drifting mantle]

I don't suppose stomp also stuns aberroth yeah?

[umbral garden]

I dont remember if it did, I didnt pay enough attention, might have done

[broken glen]

Hello,
New-ish to the game. Just hit 90 as Harvest Flay Lich.
Im having trouble staying alive and staying in reaper mode.

I dont have the Mountain of Ox(Chest), Chains of the Giant(Belt) , twisted heart (relic), Red ring
I have not slammed anything yet, because Im not 100% familiar on the mechanic yet. (But also i dont have everything i need yet)

I can clear normal monoliths but i have to be super conscious about my health and if i stop ill die cuz my health drains. (my health drains while in normal form too)

But onto my question,
How can i improve my reaper uptime?
**What is expected? Or maybe im expecting too much? **
What is the proper skill rotation?

This is the guide i'm using
https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/harvest-lich-guide#gear,-idols-blessings-header

[astral kettle]

1. If i remove the Golem, Summon Skeletons or Summon Wraith skill from the skill bar after summoning it and put another skill in its place then will the associated minion die?

2. The Blood Golem doesn't have any scaling for HP and damage? O_o

[radiant vessel]

You should add a link to your current character so we can see what you actually have going on

[obtuse quest]

1. Yes.
2. They use the same scaling as normal bone golems

[astral kettle]

Thanks

[astral kettle]

So like whats the reason to summong Blood Golem? I don't see any reason for it other than Sanguine Orb which doesn't seem to have any scaling at all accrding to LEtools :/

[broken glen]

Oh. Idk how to do that. Can you tell me how?

I will gladly do that now

[obtuse quest]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/

Import button on left

[broken glen]

Thanks!

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QWkvw40Q

Heres my build. Thanks for the help so far. I already learned something new!

Here are my questions again in case it gets buried.

New-ish to the game. Just hit 90 as Harvest Flay Lich.
Im having trouble staying alive and staying in reaper mode.

I dont have the Mountain of Ox(Chest), Chains of the Giant(Belt) , twisted heart (relic), Red ring
I have not slammed anything yet, because Im not 100% familiar on the mechanic yet. (But also i dont have everything i need yet)

I can clear normal monoliths but i have to be super conscious about my health and if i stop ill die cuz my health drains. (my health drains while in normal form too)

But onto my question,
How can i improve my reaper uptime?
What is expected? Or maybe im expecting too much?
What is the proper skill rotation?

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 90

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (83)

General:

▸ Health: 1,636, Regen: 18.6/s
▸ Mana: 232.46, Regen: 9.28/s
▸ Ward Retention: 118%, Regen: 34/s
▸ Attributes: 5 Str / 43 Dex / 59 Int / 5 Att / 18 Vit
▸ Resistances: 76% / 187% / 75% / 80% / 98% / 66% / 110%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 26%, Threshold: 491
▸ Dodge Chance: 20% (612)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 21% (749)

Used skills:

Harvest / Flay / Aura Of Decay / Transplant / Reaper Form

[tender ridge]

tfw you double your armor by changing your base chest and nothing else

I might need more armor

[abstract summit]

And once again we have reaper and corrupted form with 20% life drain and 9% leech

[broken glen]

😰

[abstract summit]

But ye also double/triple your armor

[broken glen]

Does doing that lower your life drain?

Just trying to learn the connection

[abstract summit]

No you fix that AND get some armor 🙂

[tender ridge]

hilariously, I was talking about myself lmao

[broken glen]

So i want to even out the life drain and leech?

[abstract summit]

Everybody seems to be igboring armor lol

[tender ridge]

I was at 500

I'm not actually ignoring just not getting drops with decent bases lel

forgot that you needed to be able to upgrade the affix to glyph of envy. Dodge was already at 5

[broken glen]

Sorry where do you see this on my stats? Im trying to find it for learning purposes

[abstract summit]

Your problem is staying in reaper form. Which has an inbuilt health decay
Then you added 20% per second on top of it. You see where that can go wrong?

[broken glen]

Understood on that part. could you point me in the passive node so i can fix it?

This right?

[tender ridge]

those

[abstract summit]

Remove all drain nodes in base tree, and move 5 from mind over body to ageless or ascetic of wtf is the name of the node with more leech couple columns before it

[broken glen]

What do you mean by base tree?

[tender ridge]

acolyte tree

[broken glen]

In the acolyte tree?

okay thanks

[tender ridge]

the armor node is pretty efficient for a base class node

[abstract summit]

Ah didnt even see unclosing wounds lmao

28

[tender ridge]

those nodes aren't terrible with reaper form, but you really really need to be leeching constantly

and your leech has to be huge

[broken glen]

okay step 1
Remove Crimson Gluttony > put on Bone Aura?

[tender ridge]

still doesn't feel like enough :x

[broken glen]

I need this sorta step by step. Im still unfamiliar with the names of everything.
This is my first season

[abstract summit]

I kinda feel like you have an overall ~10% ish drain budget unless you giga zoom
Ye sure you can sustain it for a 1 minute video but strong doubts 28% drain ever gonna feel good

[tender ridge]

I had 12% and it felt pretty solid. would never drop reaper in echoes unless I got blasted out of it

so yeah 10% sounds about right

meanwhile my phys ghostflame I had planned preseason was at like 78%

[abstract summit]

Yo that's an 11% dot multi:D

[broken glen]

Bump. not sure where to move the 5 points from this

[tender ridge]

that dot multi node is such a trap

I mean I guess it's like 13% inc damage if you're turning off leech. that's pretty good on its own

[broken glen]

okay i just threw the rest
Acropyha and Three plagues

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QWkvw40Q

Updated tree. Still looking for feedback if needed 😓

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 90

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (83)

General:

▸ Health: 1,636, Regen: 18.6/s
▸ Mana: 232.46, Regen: 9.28/s
▸ Ward Retention: 118%, Regen: 34/s
▸ Attributes: 5 Str / 43 Dex / 59 Int / 5 Att / 18 Vit
▸ Resistances: 76% / 187% / 75% / 80% / 98% / 66% / 110%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 26%, Threshold: 491
▸ Dodge Chance: 20% (612)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 21% (749)

Used skills:

Harvest / Flay / Aura Of Decay / Transplant / Reaper Form

[brisk elk]

@abstract summit have you or anyone else run the n umbers on marrow shards?

mishka uses them in her build and im wondering how much it adds

they arent getting the melee to spel conversion but they do get %dmg from mana, maybe helps with clear too idk

[crimson sluice]

hey guys, any tips to farm plague bearer for CB Lich?, i've been doing the stolen lance all day, with staff prophecies, and nothing

[real turret]

marrow shards is bugged and deals 100x intended damage, it deals more damage than chaos bolts.

[brisk elk]

what

XD

how am i just learning about this

time to go change some stuff

any more info?

like what the specific bug is

[abstract summit]

Pointless to run anytbing on ms, they are bugged like 10 different ways

[real turret]

flay boots makes it double dip on mana node

[brisk elk]

huh

i see

[grim rune]

sad life

[brisk elk]

time to abuse ms i guess

[real turret]

also the dmg when consuming minion is 500% not 100%

[abstract summit]

Sir/Mlady, we dont play bugged builds in this chat 👀

[real turret]

and other bugs

[brisk elk]

so i should unspec harvest for more max skellies

lol

and wear two of the max skelly rings

[real turret]

you can use

summon volatile zombie instead of harvest

for basically permanent minions

[brisk elk]

where do they summonf rom

oh yeah you can get skely vanguards from pasive too

[real turret]

manually once per 8 sec or whatever

but they keep summoning over and over

its got a lot of spawn minion -nodes

[brisk elk]

lol

[abstract summit]

It should be a couple mils a hit btw in case younwre interested lol

[brisk elk]

unspec chaos bolts

[abstract summit]

Instead of 300

[brisk elk]

run 3 minions + marrow

XD

[real turret]

unspec chaos bolts and play aura of decay

for phys pen

thats what i did

[brisk elk]

most of the flat spell dmg is still necrotic tho

[real turret]

yee

still worth

[brisk elk]

huh

all that theorycrafting with cb for nothing

[real turret]

https://streamable.com/dv2wcb

[brisk elk]

so the build is flay + marrow + zombie + aura + reaper

[real turret]

i got the crits to 550mil or something with aura

[brisk elk]

wtf

isnt that enough to instakill ubberroth

like vk last patch

[real turret]

nah

need 2bil+ dummy dmg

for 1shot

[brisk elk]

how good is your gear?

sounds possible with zhp

[real turret]

nah it was offline bis every slot

[abstract summit]

Nothing to see hete

[brisk elk]

oh

rip unplayable

[brisk elk]

like edited?

idk how to do that

even so, we can go full tank and instaphase

new 20k corruption build dropped

does the dmg bug apply to bone splinters too or just marrow shards

[real turret]

nah it will be really hard to get even 5k

both but splinters are basically useless

[brisk elk]

because of the corruption bug?

[brisk elk]

why

[real turret]

i mean you can push it to 10k if you have patience but

its not exactly good for orobyss

being melee

[abstract summit]

I mean you can still clear with cb

[real turret]

and you cant build it tanky enough to tank even 5k corr

[abstract summit]

150 dex 100 vit is surely the way to go 😄

[brisk elk]

why is splinters bad?

[real turret]

you wont hit anything with splinters

[brisk elk]

you can get them a ton of range

[real turret]

ah yeah i guess for clear

for single target it does nothing

[brisk elk]

is the dmg low?

they shotgun no?

back when lizard played manual cast marrow shards it was all about splinters

[real turret]

you dont get the bugged 500% more from minion on splinters

and if you trigger it with flay

[brisk elk]

oh

[real turret]

the splinters will hit nothing

[brisk elk]

makes sense

[real turret]

since too close

[brisk elk]

yeah i get it

can you share your offline planner?

[real turret]

uhh it's almost this

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QbRXwl3Q

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (83) / Warlock (10)

General:

▸ Health: 2,235, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 1,626.58, Regen: 21.04/s
▸ Ward Retention: 196%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 13 Str / 5 Dex / 98 Int / 5 Att / 6 Vit
▸ Resistances: 5% / 5% / 5% / 13% / 13% / 54% / 19%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 33%, Threshold: 772
▸ Dodge Chance: 1% (20)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 34% (1,772)

Used skills:

Rip Blood / Flay / Chaos Bolts / Reaper Form / Harvest

[real turret]

noobzors planner

with diff skills ofc

and some minor changes on gear

cba make a new one sry

[brisk elk]

ur fine

i meant more for the marrow shards tree

like are you taking no pierce, bone splinters, etc

[real turret]

plus 2 points more on demise

[brisk elk]

ty

[real turret]

and 1 point on dead weight

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/jessrabbit/character/JessORBIN my online char, its just gearless

but should have skills (minus some from gear)

[brisk elk]

preciate it

wait you dont even need the axe right

executioners is redundant because you dont spend mana on cb

so your mana cost is nonexistent basically

[abstract summit]

48% max mana tho

[brisk elk]

oh true

but mad alchemists is 48% more dmg

and wrongwarp could be crazy for high corr pushing

[abstract summit]

The marrowshard bug double dips from max mana? 😄

[brisk elk]

oh good point

[abstract summit]

Like 9x on a 9x lol

[brisk elk]

crazy

not to mention this will be fixed eventually and we will go back to cb

lol

dont tell devs tho

[abstract summit]

We never left cause we aint bug abusers mkay

Already did lol

[grim rune]

so many fkn bugs

[brisk elk]

https://tenor.com/view/daeth-funi-periflight-dies-from-gif-22212023

[abstract summit]

I do be a snitch like that

[brisk elk]

were u the kid that told the teacher they forgot to collect HW

[abstract summit]

Doubt they fix it instantly tho lol

[brisk elk]

we're on like 3 bugs simultaneously for this build right

no way they get all of them

[abstract summit]

Prob more

[brisk elk]

this is why i would never play hc

lol

[abstract summit]

They better f not kill my build with the fixes tho

[brisk elk]

i play hc in a lot of games but not in arpgs

[grim rune]

im so mad cause helmet was lp1

[brisk elk]

they wont

[grim rune]

and i wajnted it

[brisk elk]

even if they fixed %mana and marrow shards, the chaos bolts build is still gonna be top tier

you can just switch %mana for crit chance on the chest and stack more dmg elsewhere

[grim rune]

what's the %mana on chest?

u mean sentinel affix ye?

[dim jolt]

Ya had invisible primordial beast a few times

[abstract summit]

I mean "sry we cant really fixnit so enjoy your 1k mana cap on deadly lol"

[brisk elk]

sentinel and rogue

[brisk elk]

unironically still wouldnt kill the build

plus ailments doesnt care

bleed flay is like 50 mil without any of these buigs

[abstract summit]

Meh

[brisk elk]

nah genuinely twin you just build for 1k mana exactly and then stack dmg elsewhere

flat dmg, increased dmg etc

or play bleed

but i doubt they would

[brisk elk]

its on helmet too btw

here is my character

[grim rune]

do u really need that tbh

if they fix it

u still do insane dmg and clear

[cinder agate]

Sorry just catching up, which bugs give more damage?

[brisk elk]

honestly its not even that important

max %mana on chest and helmets is 50% total

the axe alone gives 48%

another fix would just be to not have %mana be class restricted

since its listed as a mana affix and not a class affix

make it intentional

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/BingletonGaming/character/ManaAffixesAreBugged

heres my char

havent changed skills yet

some of my stuff is kinda scuffed dont judge

lol

[grim rune]

wtf is this belt

XD

[vocal wind]

My harvest/flay lich is really squishy against bosses. Is that expected ?

[cinder agate]

Whats the skill change to make?

[abstract summit]

the most stats you can get from a belt

20 int yo

[grim rune]

so immolator is shite?

[abstract summit]

bis for bossing but you dont really need damage for mapping

it's kind of a tossup between orian, brewmaster and immolator, dealer's choice

[grim rune]

i need some survi for mapping

[brisk elk]

brewmaster or the one that gives war

[grim rune]

cause i get rekt by some random bullshit 1shots

[brisk elk]

chain of souls or smt

comes from abom

but brewmaster with like 3lp is BIS

[grim rune]

ye i use this atm

[brisk elk]

nice

post ur char

[abstract summit]

ye it doesnt get much better than that honestly lol

only giga ward will really protect you from these random BS one shots this season

[brisk elk]

dont get hit

[grim rune]

Gear is mega shite, cause I transfered from my bear primalist and made lich yesterday XD
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QqDXXmYA

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 88

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (71) / Warlock (10)

General:

▸ Health: 2,477, Regen: 19.42/s
▸ Mana: 1,041.82, Regen: 14.96/s
▸ Ward Retention: 93%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 0 Str / 4 Dex / 45 Int / 35 Att / 9 Vit
▸ Resistances: 74% / 83% / 141% / 88% / 70% / 84% / 35%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 63%, Threshold: 887
▸ Dodge Chance: 1% (16)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 18% (540)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 100%

Used skills:

Chaos Bolts / Marrow Shards / Reaper Form / Harvest / Flay

[brisk elk]

armor way too low

[grim rune]

ye, wrong blessing

[brisk elk]

on acolyte passive get rid of health drain

and put 8 points in flat armor

will behuge

for you rn

[abstract summit]

im even putting 20 in warlock lol

[brisk elk]

take 3 points out of ethereal menace and put them in reaper

for dodge

5 points in spirit ward for ward gen

i am a certified corrupted form hater so i would advise you to drop it

but thats preference ig

also 5 point in instruments of death is 10% more multiplicative dmg

you need that

[grim rune]

oh

[brisk elk]

5 points in warlock harrowing armor

for more armor

another 5 for less dmg per curse if you want it

also i might be blind but it looks like you're missing frailty

thats a huge dr layer

thats about all i see for now

and double armor blessings

thats the other thing

i currently have 54% armor outside of reaper form and my gear isnt even good

nor are my blessings maxxed

70% is possible with better gear

[tender ridge]

i think frostbite minions might need just a little bit more damage to be good

not quite there yet

[vocal wind]

Hi everyone
I'm playing Harvest/flay lich, and I feel really really squishy against big hits, like bosses
like, I have about 1200hp and 1200wards and sometimes I got hit at like 7k
Is it expected with this build ?

[abstract summit]

Im aroubd 6k with reaper and seal bjt before pale ox

Armor is big good

[brisk elk]

nice

[abstract summit]

Forgot the best defensive layer tho 😄

Boots experimental is busted even with like 500 mana

Or font of the erased if playing corrupted form. But ye all my homies hate corrupted form

[brisk elk]

i have flay boots imprinted going for lp3

selling lp2s

[grim rune]

lich form is such scam for two phased bosses

[brisk elk]

run aura of decay

u can stay in longer

and gives dmg for marrow

[brisk elk]

crafted these with some market boots so now im trying to get lp3 skin for bis

[abstract summit]

Beeg

Ye on mg you can crank these out self crafted easy

[brisk elk]

also im running transplant+reap so i may look into speccing transplant

its slightly less frequent than reap but feels so much better for mapping

and dodgign boss skills

[tender ridge]

I was trying out traversal reap and it feels really weird

like it doesn't have the same consistency as other traversal skills

[brisk elk]

yeah i cant give up teleport

too op for mapping

plus with two cooldowns i can spam one for ward and save the other for safety

[tender ridge]

i need to find another multiplier for my necro somewhere

[dusty onyx]

wow

[tender ridge]

DoT skellies honestly feel like they're close to a viable build

[wheat atlas]

Is reaper form bait on Flay Lich

[tender ridge]

no

[brisk elk]

good for melee and spell mana stacker, bad for bleed

[tender ridge]

it's been pretty amusing seeing people learn about reaper form the past week

[wheat atlas]

I like it

[tender ridge]

and how to manage it

[wheat atlas]

Reminds me of Infernalist from poe2 0.1 which I liked a lot

I don’t mind not being able to stop and pick stuff up too much

[tender ridge]

@brisk elk I can't remember if it was you I was talking to about Marrow Shards before the season started, but I got a 1min kill on abby with it

cold shards are pretty okay

[brisk elk]

manual cast?

or procced

[tender ridge]

self cast

[grim rune]

finally dropped lp1

[brisk elk]

oh so you arent even really bug abusing

unles you're using minion consume

[tender ridge]

nah

the slight base damage+effectiveness buff as well as the cold conversion node did a lot to make it good

I had killed abby with phys in 1.1 but it was really slow

now you get access to Throne of Ambition

[abstract summit]

I mean you can have both wo speccibg plant

Im personally in love with seal

[abstract summit]

And tons of perf enhancing bugs lmao

[tender ridge]

what bugs?

[brisk elk]

wait so if you take reap no longer shares a cooldown

[abstract summit]

Oh boy

[brisk elk]

it loses the ability to proc ward

maybe not worth

[abstract summit]

It shouldn't

[brisk elk]

it does

i just tested

odd

it keeps traversal tag but it doesnt give ward

[abstract summit]

That sounds like a bug, it doesn't say it loses transversal tag

Well, one more to pile lol

[brisk elk]

probably

well one bug that makes us weaker

so basically balanced

😄

[abstract summit]

Lel

[brisk elk]

so basically if you want max ward dont use transplant, but it makes mapping faster

[abstract summit]

I have it unspecced for human form ward gen

Flay is your natural tp 😄

What I love abiut the ward tech is that it puts some more flicker into your flicker lol
Literally all over the place

600-800 surely, once corruption scaling is fixed

Defenses are the issue currently

[tender ridge]

so what are these bugs

[brisk elk]

Oh easily higher than that

If you mean melee, it is comparable to bladedancer in both damage and defenses if not better

2k+ no problem

[abstract summit]

Marrow does 1s dummy currently lol

[tender ridge]

how

[abstract summit]

Bugzzzzzz

[tender ridge]

great explaination

[brisk elk]

Apparently it takes double benefit from the mana to more dmg% conversion

So take your normal dmg bonus and square it

[abstract summit]

I have a baby in one hand sry 😄

[tender ridge]

ah okay, it's a flay thing

[brisk elk]

If you have 2k mana, instead of doing 5x dmg you're doing 25x

If you have 3k it's 49x instead of 7x

[tender ridge]

yeah

[brisk elk]

And the other bug is that consuming a minion gives you 500% more dmg instead of 100% more

So apparently

About 100x dmg or more overall

[tender ridge]

ah neither of them being things I was running into lol

[abstract summit]

Think it also might be shotgunning, at this point anything is possible

[tender ridge]

it doesn't have more than one projectile

[brisk elk]

Only the splinters can shotgun

And the other person said splinters never hit

That is intended tho

[abstract summit]

The initial hit with flay autocast i mean

[brisk elk]

Yeah

[abstract summit]

Ye manual or rip casts prob not

[brisk elk]

I think I will keep chaos bolts for the AOE

What makes you think it's shotgunning

That would be easy to test

Unspec bone splinters and hit dummy once

[abstract summit]

Corruption vise we have a damage scaling issue hence the ine shots

[brisk elk]

I do wish they would just add a vertical limit to scaling like in POE

And focus more on horizontal metrics

[tender ridge]

i agree

[hallow blaze]

Guys, I'm making a really stupid gimmick build where I stack as much poison damage over time as I can, primarily with Aura of Decay. If I'm doing that, should I go Ward since it would regenerate faster than health and prevent me from killing myself with my own poison damage between packs and is pretty easy to stack and lets me benefit from Low Life, or should I go Leech because of the ludicrous amount of it in the Lich tree?

[brisk elk]

Infinite scaling is somewhat unsatisfying and exacerbates power difference between builds

[abstract summit]

I mean. Poe attribute and armor stackers hello 😄

[tender ridge]

you shouldn't ever kill yourself with your aura of decay

[brisk elk]

I'm not saying poe doesn't have differences

[tender ridge]

you take less damage from your own aura on top of taking less poison damage while it's on

[brisk elk]

I'm saying outside of delve, all content is sort of capped

[tender ridge]

so is delve, just ask Steve :^)

[brisk elk]

So you don't feel like you're missing out by not playing the most broken build as long as you can run the best maps

Whereas here you see a falconer do 10k and ur like wtf

If it scaled up to a hard limit of 1k corruption and then had more different mods like maps I would prefer it personally

[abstract summit]

Well kinda, but do 5 risk t17s to see that's only partially true
Map mods and explicit can go "quasi infinite" when stacked

[tender ridge]

I like the idea of capping corruption and having that be the "pinnacle" for mapping like T16.5/T17

[abstract summit]

It's just not that on the nosr

[brisk elk]

That's the system I prefer

Personally

Rather than "number go up forever"

Gives really satisfying breakpoints for builds

Both

[tender ridge]

but to answer your question, you should get a lot of life and use that to synergize with the Aura of Decay healing. it's not gonna do enough to leech off of I would guess, but it's possible

[brisk elk]

You stack a lot of all attributes so you're getting insane dodge from dex+int+vit and armor from strength

Feels a lot like BD defensively

[tender ridge]

this is a pretty important part of builds imo. getting into red maps is sort of an acomplishment for a lot of people. next steps being watch stones, T17, and on

[brisk elk]

Yeah

[tender ridge]

for LE we have like, normal abby

[brisk elk]

I have seen a lot of people give the same feedback about LE's endgame

[tender ridge]

and then just corruption to the moon

and uber

[abstract summit]

I agree game could use more accentuated milestones

[unreal hill]

apparently it's not a huge priority anymore either cause retention falls off at the start of monos, rather than at abberoth or similar.

[abstract summit]

But i personally like the system. It's diff but many ppl do actually want infinite scaling

[brisk elk]

yeah but the dedicated playerbase cares about endgame

[tender ridge]

that's the same for PoE though

[abstract summit]

Ppl loved when pit was added to d4

[unreal hill]

it is?

[tender ridge]

yes. most players don't even finish the campaign

I had this argument on reddit the other day talking about how the story addition with this patch was important. EHG's own stats have said most players each season don't even make it to empowered monos

[abstract summit]

Poe2 fő sho

[unreal hill]

🤔 makes me wonder what percent of each supports the game more tho.

[unreal hill]

I mean poe2 i can udnerstand, but poe1

[tender ridge]

it's lack luster from an enthusiast's perspective since you'll want more endgame content, but having more story is very important for the people that literally only play for the story and don't care about the endgame grind

which is most players. just not most players that are gonna go post on discord or forums

[brisk elk]

people hate poe2s endgame so that sort of supports the idea

[abstract summit]

Prob more gets to maps but majority def not going to red

[brisk elk]

those players would also prefer capped endgame systems

quite honestly

[unreal hill]

I find it weird that most don't get to red.
I've been completing my atlas since my first season.

Tho I did get turned off on act 1 and didn't play for years when I first started.

[abstract summit]

You are discussing arpg design on a gaming discord
You are the 1% 😄

[tender ridge]

i know it's anecdotal so not exactly strong evidence, but my buddy that casually enjoys ARPGs is the exact kind of person I'm talking about here. He never gets to red maps whenever he plays. Hasn't gotten to empowered monos. Has like 900 hours in PoE and 200 in LE

[unreal hill]

that might be it.
I find that discussing things on discord is actually what got me thru my maps in poe1 too. Community interaction is key to getting good.

[tender ridge]

yeah this was exactly my argument on reddit. some guy said he never sees people posting about enjoying the campaign. no shit buddy, the people that casually go "that wasn't so bad" and move on aren't the type of people to post on forums

[abstract summit]

Most people just wanna chill tho. Arpg is a very boomer genre at its core

Like im fairly sure d4 s10 2 weeks in still has more people playing than poe1+poe2+le league launches added together

[unreal hill]

that said, I really hate how streamers influence public opinion so hard. It was downright depressing being in the poe discord during dawn of the hunt

[tender ridge]

alright tbf Dawn of the Hunt was genuinely attrocious at the start of the patch

it took like 10 hotfixes to be good

[unreal hill]

it was, but like they were fixing things.
But the dooming is a large part of why I stopped playing during dawn. It wasn't fun to be around miserable people.

[tender ridge]

they got all the way up to like hotfix 0.2.0j or something

[abstract summit]

It was sooooo baaad til the loot patch

I never quit a season faster

[unreal hill]

I loved it, cause I found a niche build that was perfect for my playstyle and cheap to build around.

[tender ridge]

yeah I stopped after just a couple of days. came back when people were starting to talk about it positively again and it was pretty fun

[unreal hill]

blood barrier was awesome.

[tender ridge]

Smith of Kitava was a cool addition. Ritualist still needs a lot of work

like the whole top side of Ritualist kinda sucks

[unreal hill]

I never was able to get an answer to if old ingenuity scales ritualist's 3rd ring or not.

[tender ridge]

pretty sure it only affects equipped rings. the 3rd ring isn't actually equipped iirc

[unreal hill]

thanks!

[tender ridge]

but I honestly don't know for sure. take that with a grain of salt lol

that's what the tests were saying at the beginning

[unreal hill]

Sure, I got an ingenuity on standard.
But I just cna't be assed to roll a ritualist for that alone lol

[abstract summit]

Was, indeed. Now gutted lmao

[tender ridge]

what'd they change? did they nerf the fire res passives?

[abstract summit]

Ofc they did

And the life regen

[tender ridge]

I mean it's deserved

[abstract summit]

And giants blood

And block is capped at 50

And the armor aura

[unreal hill]

i swear they just don't want warrior to be tanky.
on release, blood mage was tankier than warrior for melee by a long shot

[tender ridge]

block capping at 50 baseline is gonna suck

because active block is not fun

[topaz valley]

hi, anyone playing abom? what is the recommended crit chance for it?

[abstract summit]

Ye this is the first season im not gonna let myself get jebaited by warrior lmao

[tender ridge]

can abom get to 100%? I haven't ever actually played it

[unreal hill]

they want active block to be a thing and no-one is gonna do it.

[abstract summit]

Wel Kripp enthusiasts will but that's about it lmao

[tender ridge]

I honestly agreed with them when they said armor was doing its job against phys. as long as you didn't stand in dumb shit, phys hits weren't an issue

[abstract summit]

Because of your block lol

[tender ridge]

but capping block to encourage active block is ridiculous

[unreal hill]

armor was pretty strong on release if you paired it with something like 200% lifeleech and DR.
Hollow mask and DR on shield and body was nice.

[abstract summit]

Take off your shield and get into a pack

[tender ridge]

nah even before I was able to get a good shield for block cap it was fine

[abstract summit]

You gonna get annihilated

[tender ridge]

I was doing fine at T15s with 40% block :x

[unreal hill]

my tanky witch build had only like 20% passive block and it tanked bosses in t16s just fine.

[tender ridge]

it was really just the one-shots that neuter your armor

the biggest problem is that those one shots are insanely common

regular white mobs were a joke though

[unreal hill]

armor applying to elemental is gonna be good. Sucks that it applies before res tho iirc.

on the topic of LE what's the fastest way to get MG tokens

[vapid belfry]

is corrupted form bait? i feel so squishy

[abstract summit]

Is for most of the time

[unreal hill]

corrupted form is bait unless you gear for it specifically.
You're better off with LL ward iirc

[tender ridge]

No it's very strong. It feels like ass below like 3k max life though

[vapid belfry]

i have that, still getting one shot by shit mobs

[unreal hill]

using foot and face of the mountain?

[old hull]

It's a very good pick for a pure life build. If you are ward or hybrid, you need to consider the effect the ward cap will have on you.

[real turret]

This is why I don't play Poe that much anymore, builds outscale content so much that even joke builds can do all content and POB is the only build metric for high end

[old hull]

and capping endurance (60%) is mandatory if you're using corrupted form

[vapid belfry]

foot? isnt army of skin core?

[abstract summit]

Well 2k delve but ye that's also a diff kind of metric, needs its own stuff

[vapid belfry]

but no army with t7 ms t5 int, flesh with t7 mana tt5 health and seed

most of my gear has t7 mana

[abstract summit]

Prob with corrupted form is that we currently have a one shotting issue and it lowers one shot hp for the most part, so ya know

[vapid belfry]

only using flesh cause i have 0 crit avoid otherwise

[old hull]

It doesn't have much effect on one shot ehp unless you are affected by the ward cap

[vapid belfry]

tbf im running at 650ish corruption, but like random white mobs will 2 tap me, once for lich and once for base when death seal pops

[unreal hill]

foot of the mountain if you want to be tankier.
It with the int as dodge rating = tons of threshold

[old hull]

tbh that's probably due to the scaling bug, not your build

[vapid belfry]

maybe its a brewmasters angle

[abstract summit]

You can cover all of your 1.5k hp with threshold and maxed end it's still gonna be 1.5k hp and some ward
Ppl also dont build armor. Or giga ward sustain

[vapid belfry]

i thought they fixed that?

[abstract summit]

You cant just trust endurance and no other layers

[tender ridge]

Hey that's 3750 EHP right there

[old hull]

Not yet afaik

[abstract summit]

"Later this week"

[unreal hill]

my lich uses a ton of armor, blossom and other sustains. But ye endurance by iteself isn't that good. you want layers.
Even capping block chance w/ face of the mountain is good.

[vapid belfry]

i mean that belt is just insane on its own, at lp2+ itd be really good

[abstract summit]

Cool. I have 5k ward with 1.9k end covered hp and giga armor and extra DRs

And still get tapped by fakken Ghost lol

[vapid belfry]

how are you hitting 5k ward?

[abstract summit]

Secret tech 👀

[tender ridge]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Confehdehrehtheh/character/BAS_SpookyConfetti

Are there any immediately obvious damage uniques I'm missing for this frostbite skellies build

[autumn bough]

@real turret ok seems like i figured out issue with veil its stupid collision bug, orbs just dissapear without hitting anything sometimes ,so best way is to veil inside of the boss for max dmg and even then its not garanteed cause terrain might fck it up

[abstract summit]

that's a place i cant follow you lol

[tender ridge]

It's scary in here

[real turret]

Ahh I haven't really noticed that cause I'm always inside boss anyway to get bugged 1 torment stack on it

[abstract summit]

(literally just the boots https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Levovar/character/Flaya)

[autumn bough]

even when u are inside of the boss it varies i tested on uber

depends on area terrain/textures

[real turret]

Ah rip

I have experience only with dummies and orobyss

[abstract summit]

terrain and texture collisions are legit the most annoying part of LE

[vapid belfry]

ah ex affix, ngl ive just fully ignored those lol

[autumn bough]

also you just put fissure under boss and itll apply torment its not a bug

[real turret]

On those it seemed fine

[brisk elk]

ok so with my current gear im critting dummy for 3m per marrow

[real turret]

Huh I could've sworn I wasn't getting it unless hugging enemy, but isn't it a bug anyway?

It shouldn't affect boss cause of spirit node?

[worthy arch]

Hey people chronicles of the damn any good builds that utilize it?

Just recently started the game

[autumn bough]

from my understanding the node only makes spirits target you not disable application of torment, so if you are staying near boss and sprirt pops on you itll apply torment on both

[lost gale]

yeah spirits have a surprisingly generous aoe

[autumn bough]

ye when they pop there is a lil circle

the node only changes targeting

[lost gale]

they're not very good at hitting you if you're moving eratically

[real turret]

Ah right I c

[brisk elk]

ok so with my current gear im proccing 18 chaos bolts that do abour 225k each for a total of 4m and one marrow shard that does about 3m

so it is not outdamaging cbs

but i only have 1800 mana, so it would possibly overtake it eventually

idk if im doing something wrong but my marrow is not doing as much as i expected

wait im lying

that was without mana stacks i was using the normal dummy

[autumn bough]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OAhMXrLGKQ and another bug

xddd

fissure doesnt apply acid skin every time

[real turret]

@autumn bough did u ever test the new bleed gloves for veillock?

[brisk elk]

ok its 12m crits with current build

wait 21m

or more

[real turret]

Ahaha

[brisk elk]

ok nvm this is fking stupid

[wintry flame]

I think it's because the hit portion when you're close doesn't actually hit the dummy

both the waves that hit from fissure spawn on either side and miss a middle portion

[autumn bough]

yep i tested exactly that

[wintry flame]

ah I see yeah, they need to fix how that wave hit spawns, so it doesn't miss a target in the middle

[autumn bough]

but there are 2 bugs, collision too. tested on dummy hitting it lik 1m away and veiling inside of it 2x dps difference

[brisk elk]

@abstract summit WHAT IS THIS

wtf

EHG

bro

this is so dumb

[thorn grove]

if i am targeting an enemy within the range of marrow shards does this mean the enemy gets hit with the bone splinters? or would they just get hit by the marrow shards and the splinters would hit enemies behind them instead

[brisk elk]

well

no more corruption issues

i just kill harbingers before they hit me

i may need to rethink gearing in light of this

generic flat is now stronger relative to necrotic

and melee damage doesnt do a whole lot

[abstract summit]

what did i miss

[brisk elk]

nothing rly

just me experiencing how broken marrow shards is

[abstract summit]

ah ye

[brisk elk]

but because marrow does phys, and aura of decay can reduce phys res

necrotic flat is not as good

as generic

[formal sparrow]

on cold flay (i use the cb into harvest node) would u use freeze rate or mana?

[brisk elk]

so a different weapon set up may be better

also melee doesnt do anything for marrow shards

so the hybrid necrotic affix is probably not good for this setup

post bug fix it goes back to normal

[molten bramble]

Just because an ability is phys doesnt mean you cant stack flat necrotic dmg and scale necrotic on a physical ability. It just means its base dmg is physical so base 10 physical dmg with 100 add necrotic you can still scale necrotic even on a base physical ability

[abstract summit]

i mean i dont know how much you want to farm for a bugged build about to getting obliterated

[lyric idol]

what are we farming uber on boys?

[brisk elk]

yeah but you can get essentialyl 150% phys pen from AOD

depending on ur int

so phys is much stronger relative to necrotic

[abstract summit]

what weaver rank is needed to buy treasure trove echoes?:

[brisk elk]

it may even be worth dropping dagger for wand if you can manage crit without it

again this all only applies so long as the bug is in the game

[molten bramble]

probably rank 7 or 8

[brisk elk]

mad alchemists ladle can give

48% multiplicative more dmg

and 270 flat mana

i gotta go soon but i have some testing to do

lmao

[formal sparrow]

anyone?

[abstract summit]

certainly not 6 f me lol

[molten bramble]

I am fairly sure it is 7 since you get 5 new buyables

[abstract summit]

rank 8 reeee

@charred ridge fairly sure this was a proc
only sample size of 4 but the sealed didnt seems to come up

[little wigeon]

ok not bad roll, still room for improvement

[charred ridge]

ye kinda need to go until you get it (or don't)