💀┃acolyte

[unique epoch]

oh i have no chance to shred armor

no wonder

[modern timber]

praying

[void onyx]

I cant find an minion area mod for amulets, what am I missing?

Oh nvm its under attributes

[modern timber]

ima need u to get me one of those too

i bricked mine

[unique epoch]

wow damn +2 lp3

[void onyx]

I didnt drop it, its from the planner

Just setting up filter

[modern timber]

LOL

felt

that

[void onyx]

Turns out minion area is under Attributes

[modern timber]

expeditiously

[void onyx]

[astral kettle]

If I am playing a full minion build on a Necromancer* where I am going to deal all damage throught minions then is it better to hold a catalyst or shield?

[lost gale]

that's so build specific can't really say.
catalysts can give you a lot of ward, shields a lot of resists, minion stats on offhand aren't a big deal compared to other slots though iirc

[dusty onyx]

finished my build finaly

[astral kettle]

What do people generally go for?

[lost gale]

there are some 2h weapon uniques that are good for minions, and the flat damage suffixes is really the only place you get minion flat in a lot of builds so a 2h scaled +minion melee damage/+minion spell damage is often preferred

eg the +2 acolyte minion skills 2h axe or scales of lemniscate

or blight of lachesis even for some builds

[astral kettle]

Thanks

[unique epoch]

🥲

[dusty onyx]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/monomugu/character/Lorina There. Can only improve the 2LP unique that had failed slams.

[modern timber]

@vocal wind i just went to the training dummy 1million dot dmg and im not even min maxed

[vocal wind]

nice !

[modern timber]

im legit missing 3000 hp worth of dmg

[vocal wind]

I'll try to do that for fun. Right now, my gear are a bit bad, but I feel confortable in corruption 100/150

I'm squishy tho, I actually need to pay attention to boss paterns

I spent my last league playing judgement paladin

I'm not used to dodging stuff xD

[mint leaf]

why does infernal shade cause so much lag?

[modern timber]

@vocal wind i got hella lucky with this idk how much that 20% matters on the chaos bolts

but like this was a steal i had to take it

the iimplicit at the top is meh but still

[astral kettle]

How much increased minion health is too much and how much is optimal for a pure minion build on Necromancer?

[crisp ridge]

@obtuse quest i got red ring before i got one of the non-rare uniques i need 🤮

[obtuse quest]

Wrong kind of luck

[crisp ridge]

spent over 70 rune of asc on a 1/50 and been ofc going for it. gets red ring

not that ill complain coz im dex stacking

[obtuse quest]

From a rune as well? That's really lucky, just not the kind you need

[crisp ridge]

nah that wasnt a rune

wish it came out better but i cant complain

[charred ridge]

@abstract summit @real turret minion sacrifice node in marrow shards is bugged, gives at least 4x dmg instead of 2x but sometines even more, it also seems to buff blood eruption dmg

there's surely even more bugs

[real turret]

yeah and the

25% more dmg but can hit minion

is like 5 multi aswell

5x

[charred ridge]

lmao

[real turret]

actual gigabug skill

[charred ridge]

did u report

im reporting when i get home tomorrow xdd

[obtuse quest]

Imagine marrow shards doing real damage without jank aiming

[mint leaf]

which is better for abom, skele warriors (80% more dam) or skele rogues (160% inc att speed)

[hot ginkgo]

the visual bug is happening again

[sweet spade]

@charred ridge btw there is a damage taken bug atm: https://www.reddit.com/r/LastEpoch/comments/1n01lfl/so_no_update_on_monster_damage_getting_2x_more/

[charred ridge]

good to know lol

i guess that's why early monos were so hard then

[pallid plume]

How strong is mana stacking for mages ?

Like is it worth to slap t7 mana over t7 flat spell dmg at that point ?

1 spell dmg per 20 mana + 5% per 25 mana

[charred ridge]

if you got in there at level 30 i mean

[placid crescent]

Zzz been looking around for some warlock build can’t find a cool one there’s like 2/3 builds around and none are like scalable in the long run …

[charred ridge]

there is definitely scalable stuff

[hot ginkgo]

is this good?

[charred ridge]

jess destroyed a dummy in like 2 seconds with profane veil that sounds scalable to me

[charred ridge]

good to imprint

use the weaver tree so you can get more of those and craft those

don't touch this one so you don't lose the ability to farm more

[pallid plume]

Okay I'm now confused is the minion spell dmg per mana on chaos bolt even that good ?

It's 1 dmg per 20 mana. So if you stack up to 200 mana that's 20 dmg which is like a t5 flat spell dmg roll

[hot ginkgo]

like this aye?

[charred ridge]

sure but what if you had 2000 mana tho

[charred ridge]

no

[pallid plume]

How you getting 2k mana on necromancer......

I assumed like 300/400 was the upper limit

[charred ridge]

the other imprint slots

[charred ridge]

idk bro im not here to theorycraft for you, just throwing out ideas

you definitely can get 2k mana on necro, or any class for that matter, it's just up to you to decide whether it's worth it or not

[pallid plume]

Yeah I'm just saying that node feels fairly meh.

I thought it was going to be 2 or 3 dmg per 20 mana

[hot ginkgo]

me is dumb where is the tree allocated ?

[charred ridge]

literally all the imprint nodes that aren't this

the two on the right for weapon

bottom left for armor

the one you have currently is so you can seal an affix

you don't want your affix sealed you want the item to drop like it already is so you can slam two t7 affixes on a unique

[dusty onyx]

Does it work for affixe store inside legendaries?

[hot ginkgo]

aighty

i made it like this

[charred ridge]

that's fine

[dusty onyx]

hmmm

[autumn bough]

idk whats going on with that skill i tested this patch and sometimes it hits like a truck another like wet noodle

also fissure seems to not apply curses sometimes

last patch i had way more dmg on same setup

😑

[charred ridge]

lol

[dark snow]

whats some broken abomination builds

[lucid nacelle]

Decided to go back to a minion army build. Are fire and ice pretty comparable in damage? Haven't done the army since season 1

I'd rather use elemental wraiths over exploding zombies if that makes a difference

[left whale]

Have u tried spirit bomb?

[lucid nacelle]

I have not. Don't think I even know what that is lol (to Google!)

[left whale]

Minion explosion

Your skele mage explodes skele warrior

[lucid nacelle]

Figured I'd ask here since 90% of any videos out there are Abomination or just a theorycraft

Interesting

[modern timber]

yo

[left whale]

I didnt make this from guide or maybe theres a guide for it I havent seen

[left whale]

Yo man

[modern timber]

whatever happened to the lich build from last season wheere u would use this ring

[left whale]

Well thats the ring i use for my build, each minion death has 30% to proc zombies

That ring helps proc more

[real turret]

yeah i tested it aswell and seemed giga underwhelming compared to last league

lost like 50% of flat etc

[lost gale]

@autumn bough have you considered using 100% revive skeletons with wraithlord to fuel ghostmaker/zombies shades? they'd need to be pop rather than flickering shadows but afaict wraithlord or abom eating skellies all the time gives you tons of zombies & mana

[brittle stone]

if anyone has one of these , can you test if the infernal shade is trigering ? i seem to only get wraith

[modern timber]

@left whale i dont understand what this does

could u help me

im not comprehending

[lost gale]

you put in a lp1 nihilis with bad rolls into the right box and a single affix nihilis the nemesis bricked in the left box and it will re-roll the lp1 nihilis

has to be same unique, same or higher lp/number of legendary affixes but you can reroll uniques/legendaries

[modern timber]

okay so if i have a bricked red ring

i put it in the right box?

and then a fresh one in the left box?

is this my left or the other left

[limpid mural]

lol didn't know this works

[lost gale]

yeah if you have a red ring with like t3 fire res from a nemesis you sacrifice it in the left box to re-roll the lp1 red ring in the right box

[charred ridge]

read the UI

[lost gale]

left box is the one you are sacrificing, right box is the one getting re-rolled

[left whale]

Yea

I mean if u wannna sacrifice the red ring 🥲

[modern timber]

yea this ones gotta go

[lost gale]

you can do it with WW uniques too, just needs to have same or higher WW on the sacrifice

[modern timber]

at some point

who tf need 10 phys resist

not me

[lost gale]

also it doesn't check for faction alignment for the re-rolling so you can buy bricked stuff on MG to re-roll your COF unique

or at least it didn't on 1.2

its the only way I know of to exploit the MG/COF divide

[autumn bough]

I tried, zombies sacrifice wraithlord

[vapid belfry]

Isn't that near maxrolled? Id just take it with the physio res tbh

[modern timber]

im still using it

[autumn bough]

It supposed to be buffed cause we lost 40% of flat dmg but got frenzy helmet and 140% penetration

So way more dmg

[digital orbit]

Does damage taken over 4 seconds stack over 100% ie the unique gloves and death seal am I taking 115% over 4 seconds

[formal sparrow]

feels good to login to this 😄

still cant afford crap tho

[lost gale]

I wasn't thinking of using sacrifice, just shade pop on minions. the revive behaviour is very favourable to in the sense that skellies waiting to revive don't count against your cap and will always revive as long as there's room in your cap, so your WL can be eating skellies + making zombies so much faster than anything else.

flickering shadows is obviously a giga dps thing so idk if that approach can compete but it's certainly casting a lot of shades and detonating them

[sharp cloak]

I'm currently playing cthonic fissure but damage and defenses feels bad right now, should I switch to another build or invest more?

[modern timber]

@autumn bough aren’t you from YouTube?!

@autumn bough https://youtu.be/PRdm41psQN4?si=gm9-ASx41NSuT0MW this you????

[formal sparrow]

i was stomping during acts with it

but idk about empowered monos

[modern timber]

What level are you

@sharp cloak weren’t you just in call wit me just play what I was playing chaos lich

[sharp cloak]

I don't think so

[sharp cloak]

87

[modern timber]

Or do abomination necro

That shxt is busted

[modern timber]

You wanna know how to make gold

[formal sparrow]

sure?

spent 1.1m on a 2 LP traitors tongue with good rolls QQ the flay life is a difficult life

[obtuse quest]

Caps at 100% iirc

[digital orbit]

kool ty

[obtuse quest]

Died last season, the belt experimental affix got changed.

[real turret]

Idk maybe the pen doesn't work or something I legit lost half my dps

[modern timber]

I’ll tell you in dm

[crisp ridge]

sus asf

[modern timber]

LOL

[autumn bough]

Might be really good i do think necro is better for pop especially after lich nerfs so need to test

[modern timber]

Nah I just can’t let my secrets out to everyone or then I won’t make gold

[autumn bough]

Could be

[lost gale]

what im less sure about is scaling the pop, poison works and primordial bleed gloves would too, ignite seems strangely bad and idk about crit with ghostmaker

[formal sparrow]

frfr

i figured itd be that but its just using havoc rune to make a good wep to sell

i think thats common

[crisp ridge]

😂

5hed strat

[strange beacon]

When will they fix stygian coal mana dmg ?😅

[swift forge]

can someone explain to me why you would willingly take 3 points into impact ward on the lich tree? It's objectively just a stupid option to take, making any DOT even if you take less dmg from them, completely bypass your ward. Like HUH?

[strange beacon]

So u regen your ward better

Ur health is always full almost

Ward isnt

[swift forge]

no?

[dusty onyx]

it's meant to be used with corrupted form since leeching over dot is easy while ward fend off small hits

[swift forge]

you live on half health all day

you are never at full HP

[dusty onyx]

it's an early game thing though

you never keep it above 200 corruption

[swift forge]

yes I am early game lol

and it's killing me

[strange beacon]

Than u are doing something wrong

[left whale]

Well

Time to make fire wisp build

[strange beacon]

Stygian coal ftw 😁

[swift forge]

idk what to do, cuz the build I'm following has me use exang, which ofc makes me have no HP

for more ward

soooo

XD

[strange beacon]

Gearing is a pain

[dusty onyx]

Lich is either cold or phys because of AoD. Necrotic is a trap

[strange beacon]

You leech most of your life u are almost always full

[obtuse quest]

The node is mostly useful for hybrid setups, so they can keep their ward while using leech to deal with DoTs.

[strange beacon]

Cold always

[swift forge]

so if I drop that node, what is the next best node to pick?

[autumn bough]

It went from 50 to 10 mil dps kekw

Total trash

[strange beacon]

Yea they nerfed it

Idk why

190 int and 700 mana

[autumn bough]

I buffed it back to 20 mil with mana sustain tech but still total garbage

[strange beacon]

My rip blood deals 99% of my dmg haha and bone marrow

[swift forge]

hmmm, I guess essence devourer should be okay

[autumn bough]

Do you also sustain mana with skeletons? I couldnt find other way to stay full mana while spamming it on cd

[strange beacon]

Since mana scaling is broken theres no need for mana sustain

Sadly :/

Im mostly on 50% mana

I tested dmg with mana and it was the same 500 mana difference, same dmg

[formal sparrow]

why wouldnt you keep it above 200 lol

like

[obtuse quest]

But someone who can spam more drain life instances will do more damage than someone who didn't.

[charred ridge]

ye it's bugged

[formal sparrow]

i prefer the dots burning my hp down which i already leech back to infinity

and ward ends up being a 2nd layer of hp

[strange beacon]

On bosses i sustain mana with rip blood

+3 mana node

[autumn bough]

Unless you are mana stacking which btw 5x more dmg than any other lich build xdd

[autumn bough]

I tested its not mana scaling does work

[strange beacon]

Also got alot of cast speed like 160% ish

Actually more

[dusty onyx]

DOT can instagib you in some situation, unless you find a way to get up to 3k hp as lich without sacrificing too much

[strange beacon]

Im not so sure it works

[teal cliff]

Anyone know why my abom channel cancels early? Not my keyboard I've swapped keys. Wasn't happening over the weekend.

[obtuse quest]

Idol primodial, we have class idols that give health lmao, it's our best idol affix.

[formal sparrow]

3k with the half (aka 6k) or 3k total

also dumb question maybe but im doing flay cold, should i go for melee crit on dagger or global crit?

[strange beacon]

Beam dummy i crit the same 40k ish same dmg 700 current mana or 200 so it does not work in any way

But i dont think i used reapor form not that it matters in any way

Bone marrow is main dps on stygian coal, build beams are for clear mostly

Also beam has only necrotic and spell tag on it

[dusty onyx]

Hitting life/life is insane but it's so rare.

[autumn bough]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7z8wrBK6Ibc this is how u sustain full mana and also can grab cdr in boots to cast more

[dusty onyx]

not sure its worth sacrificing life to ward conversion

[autumn bough]

i upgraded to 41 sec dummy kill but cant see how make it better past that on budget

[autumn bough]

yes

[strange beacon]

Jesus christ that alot of dmg

[obtuse quest]

Depends on your target build tbf.
Both low life exsang and leech health builds needs max health anyway. You'll be working towards the same target.

[strange beacon]

Im nowhere near that 😅

[modern timber]

I knew it

[autumn bough]

so ye it seems 24 mil dps is the cap for 1t7 stygian, need gear past that

if only they made beams convert to actual psn hit dmg

would be insane build but they dont

[strange beacon]

What boots are you using on stygian ?

[autumn bough]

planner in the comments in the vid

[strange beacon]

Ah theees maxroll for jt

Didnt see

[autumn bough]

u can check all of it, cause the link is with upgrade even more dmg

[autumn bough]

im cooking another ver of it which might actually be good but not on lich

[rugged charm]

To my Abom enjoyers: do you play with Bone Curse or Infernal Shade?

[formal sparrow]

after wasting a fair bit of money i have this to slam on a 2 LP traitors

the dagger market is crazy with all the flay players

i hope it wont hit poison pen

any of the other 3 is good

[obtuse quest]

Companions are minions, but minions are not always companions.

[obtuse quest]

Why would you ever not use infernal? 72% attack and movespeed.

[formal sparrow]

im back to how much money i had before login in with how much everything costs lol

[strange beacon]

Cant wait 😁🥰

[astral kettle]

So I can summon frogs?

[dusty onyx]

any necro frogs enjoyers?

[formal sparrow]

what do yall think? select crit chance or multi

[grim field]

would lich or warlock be better for hungering souls ignite?\

[formal sparrow]

according to pob id get from like 60 to 90 crit chance or so

but obv multi is damage

[obtuse quest]

Warlock

[obtuse quest]

Yes. But why?

[modern timber]

Chance

[charred ridge]

ribbit

[cerulean pewter]

what build

[astral kettle]

I intend to command a large army 🥲

Thanks for the answer.

[formal sparrow]

flay

cold variant

[cerulean pewter]

cold flay uses none of those affixes except for shred armor

[formal sparrow]

i do not use the crit nodes so

[formal sparrow]

tf ytou mean

i mean sure cold damage would be nice

[obtuse quest]

Tf you mean crit cold doesn't use crit.

[formal sparrow]

but wdym

[grim field]

wht im thinking is hungering souls+bone curse ignite/bleed is it viable?

[formal sparrow]

you right i need shock chance and dot

[obtuse quest]

A build older than warlock's existance. It's okay. (But please pick one to focus.)

[cerulean pewter]

because you already crit cap on cold flay with traitors tongue and those crit nodes that 99% of people take for a reason

[formal sparrow]

what nodes even

[grim field]

ok ill focus on ignite hungering souls since i already have the uniques for it

[cerulean pewter]

the ones you dont use in the screenshot

[formal sparrow]

even if i got 6% more base crit im still not capped

also

the node itself is legit just 2% base crit, the leech is irrel

so its kinda shit

[cerulean pewter]

yeah which is why people get idol enchants for a bit extra crit which is a near 0 loss vs losing 2 or 3 affixes on your dagger

[obtuse quest]

+6 with traitor's and lich's passives makes it close to cap, but doesn't hit cap ye

[formal sparrow]

eh, this is a 2LP one anyway not a 3 LP

[cerulean pewter]

fair

[formal sparrow]

i cant invest 3 mil into t7 cold dmg crit multi

also

im not even sure which affix is bis

like crit multi probs is one

but then cold damage or melee attack speed or other shit

[obtuse quest]

Crit chance on a 1x4 is a waste though. 1x2 is kinda fir

[formal sparrow]

i took a SS without looking

did i win

[obtuse quest]

1x2 compete's with health

Trash

[formal sparrow]

oh pog

double crit

[formal sparrow]

i dont get what ur saying about 1x2 1x4

are we talking about wood planks now

[obtuse quest]

Idol sizes.

[cerulean pewter]

are you playing your own variant of cold flay?

[green cedar]

Anyone know if you inflect poison or bleed with Spirit Plague, and you cast it again, will it inflect new poison and fleeds or not as they are alrady cursed?

[formal sparrow]

if ur asking if im following a guide on maxroll the answer is no

[cerulean pewter]

yeah i figured

[formal sparrow]

if its similar then yeah sure

hard not to

lots of pieces are interchangeable anyway

[cerulean pewter]

best of luck 👍

its fun

[formal sparrow]

like barbute vs snowblind

or exalted vs falcon gloves

[obtuse quest]

Yes. (But it's kinda ass and doesn't scale with your ailment duration, nor does it take any damage modifiers from spirit plague)

[formal sparrow]

thx ig, are u following the guide then

[hot ginkgo]

and it was the last one....

[green cedar]

@obtuse quest Okay thx 🙂

[cerulean pewter]

yeah

[cerulean pewter]

where do you get your blind chance from if no snowblind

[formal sparrow]

i dont get the focus on so much melee attack speed tbh

in the guide

tho ig yall use harvest more but it feels like theres a cap

when i get omniboost shrines it doesnt feel like it attacks much faster

[formal sparrow]

i remember having some but now i cant find it, probs an old ring, but i got crit avoid rn anyway

100%

[cerulean pewter]

🫡 nice

[formal sparrow]

if u wanna compare with urs @cerulean pewter

poison gets capped from aura ofc

also even the build ur talking about doesnt take the base crit nodes on flay lol

[obtuse quest]

Did you not convert aura of decay?

[formal sparrow]

i do convert to cold

[cerulean pewter]

oh ur doing main skill as flay?

[obtuse quest]

Then it doesn't provide you with any poison defense whatsoever.

[formal sparrow]

right mb its from reaper

i forgor 💀

[formal sparrow]

pmuch, in mapping if map is going on for a while i might use harvest mostly for a few sec to let mana recharge but otherwise yea

so far most bosses are dead by the time my mana is down

or im dead if they got stupid one shots qq

[cerulean pewter]

ah nice

[formal sparrow]

my main issue atm is too much int not enough dex but thatll come over time

so every cb can proc harvest

tho the overlap seems to not be as much as i expected

but maybe its just cuz the % isnt 100

[formal sparrow]

can u show urs

locker room size comparison

[cerulean pewter]

trying to get red rings atm, bricked 3

[formal sparrow]

oh damn ur high lvl

how is ur crit chance so much lower than mine

and howd u get 800 extra armor? the doom belt and ring combo?

[formal sparrow]

havent even managed to get one lol, but im also pushing corruption slowly

yeah makes sense, i do wanna get that chest someday too

[cerulean pewter]

i dont think it shoes base skill crit chance on the char sheet

[formal sparrow]

rn i do have a really really good rare tho

[cerulean pewter]

like for harvest for example

yeah chest was from speccing woven tree nodes for dungeon monsters

[formal sparrow]

10 all res 2 flay t5 int and giga hp and armour

[formal sparrow]

i did that too to get keys but mountain is a one shot machine, i die easily to it QQ

[obtuse quest]

[formal sparrow]

especially when i have nothing to leech on

[obtuse quest]

Tf do I do with this

[formal sparrow]

poison

[obtuse quest]

If i wanted poison to let me down once again I would have just played poison lich

[formal sparrow]

also ur crappy res tilt me lol, how tanky do you feel with that 1300 extra hp? can u facetank mountain?

[formal sparrow]

lol

i wish it was easier to get a double exalted item for slamming

they are giga rare on sale

[cerulean pewter]

yeah it happened when i swapped out gloves for falcon and some idols to get near cap

i dont try to facetank mountain cos theres no point

only need to move right then left

[formal sparrow]

yeah but i meant inside

outside does become just dodge the falling rocks

[cerulean pewter]

at the heart? never personally had an issue

[formal sparrow]

hmkay

also does it matter what item we put in the woven stuff in terms of LP

like if i buy a 2 LP traitors do i need to put it instead of the 0 lP

or does it not care

also found my answer the blind was on my old traitors @cerulean pewter

[cerulean pewter]

yeah put the 2lp in

[formal sparrow]

well rip i already turned it into a legendary

[warped coral]

Anyone an idea how to sustain mana for Flay? (Not doign the mana flay spell thingy atm) ... but that flay consumes 7 mana each time (10 without the mana reduction) ... I need ideas on how to have better sustain :D

[formal sparrow]

@cerulean pewter how did u get ur primordial dagger btw

[cerulean pewter]

spec into every beast node in woven tree and just run monos

and if u get low on mats imprint rampant coast

bones are the main bottleneck

[sweet spade]

this is for the rune yeah?

[cerulean pewter]

nah they said for primordial dagger

im always low on horns for example

[warped coral]

Or those who use mana flay, don't have mana regen issues or something?

Maybe I can use same tech somehow :D

[obtuse quest]

Executioners normally just tops your mana like crazy.

[warped coral]

Executioners... let me check what it is

[formal sparrow]

i have 1 point in each so far but i dont have enough thingies yet to get many opoints in each

[warped coral]

Oh the tithe

[formal sparrow]

we do not live the same life lmao

i need the fangs

@cerulean pewter did u max the heart node ?

[sweet spade]

uhm, screenshot for ants

[formal sparrow]

point is beast nodes are pretty easy to stop

here

[sweet spade]

i can't actually tell if rift beasts are the way to go this season

[cerulean pewter]

nah i took it out, only have 1 in there

[sweet spade]

like what am i even doing them for

[cerulean pewter]

rampant coast poops them out

what buil are you playing sync

[sweet spade]

mana flay

[proud pilot]

is there a vid of the flay-manastack going about yet? I am too lazy to gear myself, very happy with phys flay

[sweet spade]

maxroll

[formal sparrow]

ill never get tired of dpsing emperor of bones enough to phase through all of his big aoes lol

he charges one i break his ward he gets cancelled

repeat 4x boss dead

[cerulean pewter]

doesnt the maxroll mana flay want the t8 exalt for offhand dagger?

[sweet spade]

it does, that's why i said if it was for rune before

[cerulean pewter]

so probably want to always run beasts to buy the rune out

gotcha

[astral kettle]

If I put an Affix that says Shared increased necrotic damage for you and your minions then does that mean that my minions who do not deal necrotic damage by default will also start doing a little bit of necrotic damage?

[cerulean pewter]

was focused on answering that other person so wasnt sure

[formal sparrow]

wtf

harbingers needles were hidden by my filter

how in tf

how many have i missed from this bruh

[obtuse quest]

200% x 0 = 0

[slim mason]

how to start a lich from 0?

ws or rb?

[formal sparrow]

@cerulean pewter i dropped this and i figure i can try to havoc the stuff into 2 prefixes, which do you think would be best then?

[formal sparrow]

wat

[slim mason]

wandering spirits or rip blood

like until i get chaos bolt

the easy way would be a fissure lock

i know

but if i dont want to respec?

[formal sparrow]

ah well i just did warlock fissure to level personally sry

tanked the cost lol

[slim mason]

yeah tough going for lich

[cerulean pewter]

i have no idea for your build sorry

it was cold flay right (not cold harvest)

[formal sparrow]

yea, i mean its not necesarilly jsut for me tho im happy to sell for $$ too

[astral kettle]

First time Acolyte/Necromancer player. Please teach me how to maximize the number of cruses on myself.

[cerulean pewter]

dunno then i play cof, if theres the most meta build for lich atm id make it into something that they use (prob cold harvest) to sell

[obtuse quest]

Bone Curse Aura and it's related amulets./

Fissure.

[formal sparrow]

lets gooooo, my 2nd one i buy

the dex is kinda crap but the rest is solid (and its got 1lp)

mine is 16 dex and 3 more pen but its also shock on hit lol

[green cedar]

Anyone know if the node on Bone Curse that give bleed change, is when you cast the curse, or everytime they take damage from the curse?

[obtuse quest]

When they take damage from bone curse.

[green cedar]

Thc again @obtuse quest 😄

thx

[strong crescent]

does this work with minions killing enemies?

[obtuse quest]

The minion will get the bone armor instead if they proced the kill.

[strong crescent]

ok, ty

[astral kettle]

Does increase to melee damage also increase the melee necrotic damage I deal with Harvest?

[obtuse quest]

Yes

[strong crescent]

what about this 1 one, will i be healed when the minion triggers marrow?

[obtuse quest]

no, I think

[formal sparrow]

i dont wanna do the mana cb build but i finnaly dropped the axe lol

beautiful

with the 2 lp traitors and this my dps must have legit gone up quite a lot

[pseudo shore]

which one is better ( got super unlucky as usual with eternity cache )

[formal sparrow]

im hitting about 1m or more on the dummy but this feels fake lol

i also really need armor shred ngl

[obtuse quest]

You're doing about 100k to actual enemies then

[formal sparrow]

is this good

[vocal wind]

you got it from the merchant ?

[tender ridge]

dunno what it's for, but the first one seems like it's likely better

[obtuse totem]

When y'all are playing the CB mana build, are you speccing into harvest or just letting it exist in bar just for mana

The flay CB mana I should say

[odd spire]

Can experimental affixes be slammed for legendries?

[obtuse quest]

Yes, if not sealed.

[formal sparrow]

yea with 1lp

[vocal wind]

lucky you !

[vocal wind]

sry Idk but there's a guide that came out on maxroll

it's funny too, that's the first build labeled "endgame only, not for league starter"

[vapid belfry]

You always spec as your CB proc harvest

If anything I think you despec marrow shards for transplant/deathseal for added tankiness

[strange beacon]

What the f

Is going on

how is this possible ? is it a bug ?

[oak harbor]

does anyone know if chaos bolts released from Flay's node Chaos Rip get extra bolts from Chaos Bolt's node Cthonic Aurora? and if so do they get extra mana cost?

[obtuse totem]

I've got death seal specced at the moment. Was trying to fit Aura of decay with bleed/phys so that I can take less damage because holy getting slapped around

[obtuse quest]

Do you want about 60% more damage?

[obtuse quest]

Read cthonic aurora again.
Wait, horrible way to explain it.

Chaos Rip fires a chaos bolt projectile, not a cast of chaos bolts.

[oak harbor]

some triggered spells say cast that i understand it takes the spells full effect, this one it says release, im confused if it meant just one, and not cast so the node takes no effect. but the node itself also says when released. so im confused.

thanks for your expalination

i undestand now

[wooden fjord]

Is there any lich build not requiring uniques so I can get it going?

[limber berry]

Levelling lich is painful. Just do a necro army build until 75-80 early monos

[strange beacon]

not really

[limber berry]

Then you can easily swap to just a harvest flay build

[wooden fjord]

Im at 80 atm, was playing nec from maxroll leveling guide

just wondering if I can swap, I aint got any of the uniques for harvest

[obtuse quest]

Liich is the class that needs gear.

[limber berry]

So if youre doing that.

Get the primordial dagger, offhand dagger, you should have plenty of the helms, rings are easy, boots are mandatory

[obtuse quest]

Yes.

[limber berry]

Especially at 80. If you don't have anything you should be slamming your CoF stuff

[wooden fjord]

Ait, Ill try that, thanks!

[limber berry]

The chest piece is hard. Bosses just 1shot me constantly and just had a buddy carry my dead body until one dropped lol

[pseudo shore]

chaos bolt lich build

[wild seal]

ni, someone here have a good loot filter for frost flay lich

[wheat atlas]

still no army of skin sadge

[lost gale]

have you read what your body armor does?

[strange beacon]

doesnt matter the body armour

its the same effect

[lime widget]

I too can't get my army of skin

[obtuse quest]

Does it also have 9% increased hp as well?

[oak harbor]

does that mean Chain of the Betrayer works for flay triggered chaso bolt? and in turn takes in the increased damage from Cthonic Aurora node?

since it's just ont bolt now

[lost gale]

by using 2 of the same shape idols you're dropping the effectiveness of the other one

if that other one is 9% +54hp then ofc u have less hp

[strange beacon]

tried with other one

same thing

and other idols work just fine no decreases

[lost gale]

are other idols the same shape?

your body armor makes any non-unique idols which is not the same shape as any other idol you're using twice as strong

you really want to be using a 2x2, 4x1 or a 1x4, 3x1, 1x3, 2x1, 1x2 and fill out the rest with 1x1s with that thing

@shell wraith Why does the rip blood lich take 5/5 in the +hit dmg -range node instead of 4/5 & the second bone splinters node? AFAIK they stack and simply create two sets of bone splinters & your marrow shards would have a bit more range

[obtuse totem]

do you mean siphon of anguish? Hoiw is that so much damage?

[obtuse quest]

1x1 = no bonus.

[obtuse quest]

Doom giveas 12% more at 4 stacks, the belt gives 5% more per doom stack

[obtuse totem]

ahh i can see that, yeah

i always forget about the belt being so strong hah

is there more ways to self-ignite other than the Immolators Oblation belt btw? I got an 80% chance on it and only get like 5 stacks

[charred ridge]

psure doom gives 4% per stack so 16% total

[charred ridge]

used to be spirit plague and maelin's hubris could ignite you but the conversion doesnt work anymore

EHG said it's too strong so we are removing it 🤡

meanwhile sentinel:

[drifting mantle]

nihilis vs evolution end, which is better for abomination necro?

[lost gale]

really? worked in 1.2 did they fix it for 1.3?

I tried pyre of affliction and oh god the clunk was too strong for me

yes I can get like a hundred self-damned stacks for a few seconds but christ the window to take advantage of all that damned pen is tiny

[tiny bridge]

does bonecurse node misery also change bone erruption nodes damage to necrotic

?

[willow current]

Acolyte reaper form annoys me. I wanna loot and do certain stuff but the worry about the form going away makes me not enjoy playing sometimes lol

[obtuse quest]

Iirc no.

[dusty token]

working on this

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oPbdxvzQ

[stuck owl]

Warlock, Level 95

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (26) / Lich (7) / Warlock (75)

General:

▸ Health: 2,366, Regen: 95.91/s
▸ Mana: 220.98, Regen: 12/s
▸ Ward Retention: 209%, Regen: 138/s
▸ Attributes: 9 Str / 9 Dex / 61 Int / 9 Att / 40 Vit
▸ Resistances: 120% / 77% / 76% / 128% / 75% / 183% / 115%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 30%, Threshold: 473
▸ Dodge Chance: 1% (36)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 36% (1,861)

Used skills:

Spirit Plague / Chthonic Fissure / Chaos Bolts / Bone Curse / Rip Blood

[charred ridge]

did it really work in 1.2

im pretty sure they bricked the conversion from 1.1 to 1.2

[lost gale]

I was getting like 100 stacks of ignite with profane oblation & spirit plague & maehlin's hubris on 1.2

then turning it all into damned

[charred ridge]

I'll have to look at patch notes later to see exactly what they bricked

cus they sure as hell did brick something in a very dumb way

[lost gale]

probably, spirit plague has issues

[formal sparrow]

so close yet so far QQ

[charred ridge]

looking at patch notes makes me angry

[grim rune]

wdym

what patchnotes

[charred ridge]

need to compile a list of "fun uniques/nodes that got capped and are now unfun"

patch notes in general

[grim rune]

oh I thout they wanna nerf something at start of season lol

[charred ridge]

we can start with eye of reen, static orb, spirit plague ward, ring of the third eye

im sure the list could be like 200 items long

ok maybe not 200 but 100 prob

[willow current]

Oh yeah capping strength was an interesting thing to do

[charred ridge]

just need to compile that list and give it to EHG and ask wtf are u doing honestly

[charred ridge]

capping what strength

[willow current]

Strength was a weird word.

Let me go back to patch notes and look at it. But like them capping certain skills so it doesn’t go above a certain amount of stacks

[quasi pike]

hello. Hopefully someone can help me. I try to make an other build. I have an maxroll build that use an warlock skill on an necro build.
Can someone tell me how i can do this? I have activate the necro passive

[charred ridge]

yeyeye they do that so much

doesnt have to be 1.3 patch notes, they did it in 1.2 and 1.1 too

and probably early as well but that was before my time

[obtuse quest]

Just, swap to that mastery in the passive tree and put points into it? (Yes it's that simple)

[willow current]

I see. There must be a better way to balance than just capping stacks on a bunch of skills no?

[obtuse quest]

The monkey paw curls, the numbers are now doodoowater

[vital cave]

hows everyone enjoying the appalling loss of QOL for reaper form?

[pale lodge]

does rite of the grave or leap attack take priority on volatile zombies?

[obtuse quest]

Reaper form has QoL?

[vital cave]

went further into the negative this patch

[quasi pike]

i need as example choas bolts. but cannot set points in it

[obtuse quest]

Put 5 points into the warlock tree.

[formal sparrow]

wghen do you stop picking up like army of skin or whatever other unique ur farming in ur woven echoes

sry i mean

when do u stop picking up 0-1-2 lps

[obtuse quest]

Once you pick a mastery, you can put points into the whole tree of the mastery that you choose, and can put points into the left half of every other mastery passive tree.

[quasi pike]

okay thanks i will try this . Thank you for your help

[zinc flower]

Time to start a lich finally, what's the play with harvest vs chaos bolt flay?

[quasi pike]

i found it thanks 😄

[astral kettle]

Necromancer cannot equip Horn Of The Bone Wisp?

[abstract summit]

Never lol

[charred ridge]

i don't pick up most 0lps

[abstract summit]

Not most but the stuff im using

[charred ridge]

even things like immortal vise i only pick if it has good rolls

[abstract summit]

0 goes into egg, 1+ goes into turtel

[charred ridge]

can't egg all the loot you get though

[abstract summit]

Okay well ye i usually stop at a tab pee item 😄

You farm some towers anyway for imprint bases

[charred ridge]

i had like 3 leftover tabs of immortal vise with 24%+ aspd last season lol

[abstract summit]

Ye same lol
Had 2 tabs of splitters too kek

[rancid sedge]

How do I turbo corruption

[charred ridge]

stack 10+ gaze of orobyss and it'll spawn a shade after 1 echo

[vocal wind]

sight this game

[rancid sedge]

So just farm mono bosses

Including harbingers?

[vocal wind]

was struggling for 2 days to get an Army of skin

got 5 in 2h

[abstract summit]

Isnt that just the catchup

[charred ridge]

no the catchup is when the difference between corruption and max corrupting is greater than 50?

[abstract summit]

Like you have 200 in mono1, go to 100 mono2y do an echo, get shade, now you are on 200

[charred ridge]

two different things

[obtuse totem]

Is it possible to slam Experimental affixes?

[charred ridge]

sounds like u need to use runes of ascendance

[abstract summit]

What i mean is do you get instant shade in your push mono too if you have high gaze?

[charred ridge]

yes

[charred ridge]

yep

[vocal wind]

nope used them all

[obtuse totem]

interesting

[vocal wind]

just unlucky

[charred ridge]

that's why pushing corruption has been cringe since 1.1

you don't map

[abstract summit]

Ah kay didnt know that lol

Well, i did kek

[charred ridge]

bro is stuck in 2024

[abstract summit]

But tbf i alap needed shade uniques and that only drops 1 lp rings

[charred ridge]

honestly i also forgot it was a thing this path

patch

so i pushed 600 the old fashioned way lmao

[abstract summit]

Crazy things happen when rhe build is fun huh

[charred ridge]

which is more fun anyway

[willow current]

Same i got 3 yesterday from 1 chest while struggling

[abstract summit]

Flay bolt is if like poe2 ice strike and flicker strike had an orgy with herald ice and they got high and also invented cast on hit XD

[real turret]

This isn't even the worst part, you can do confluence of oblivion for 1/100 power orobyss to free 10k corr

[willow current]

What did i just read lol

[charred ridge]

how does that work exactly?

[abstract summit]

I mean am i wrong?? 😄

[real turret]

Find tomb, socket confluence, kill it and works like normal harby

Except it's 300c power harb

[willow current]

No, no you’re not lol.

[real turret]

Err orobyss

Not harb

[charred ridge]

you mean the orobyss in that woven echo doesn't scale with corruption?

[abstract summit]

Shouldn't have done it on 100 for the point then lmao

[real turret]

It scales a bit

But actual 1/100 power at 5k last season

That's how a bunch of the 10kc people pushed

[abstract summit]

I had it spawn from imprint too, back to back right next to each other

[charred ridge]

pretty weird i didn't know that

[abstract summit]

It sounds cringe af ngl

[real turret]

Like I could summon all 5 at same time and instagob

Instagib

[calm dome]

Minions don't snapshot gear stats on creation and actively update with item swaps, right?

now

[charred ridge]

you'd think orobyss would scale normally but ok rofl

i def won't climb like that i mean that just defeats the purpose

[real turret]

I could kill 10k Oro on mana flay btw

And on the ward setup echoes aren't giga horrible

But actually pushing to 10k on it would be too rough for me

[willow current]

Im struggling on killing my first harbi because i dont have traitor tongue for the harvest flay version. And i cant do the flay mana stacker because i also dont got tithe or any gear for it

[charred ridge]

yeah i was expecting it would perform well enough

i optimized a bit more with t8 dagger as well

and SW

going under 4k mana is a bit cringe but it is more dmg

[vapid belfry]

Ive seen people saying this for flay lich in the offhand, but wouldnt an lp2 traitors with t7 necro and attack speed be better?

[abstract summit]

I dont mind sw tbh, the defense and 1 more in reaper is nice

[willow current]

Would yall use a traitor tongue until i get that dagger in the ss?

[vapid belfry]

yes, personally id use tt over that dagger

[charred ridge]

all setups are fine

but t8 is optimal

for damage

[vapid belfry]

13 flat crit and t7 necro is surely better than t8 necro

[dark inlet]

Traitor also lets you use the primordial relic for mana idol boosting

[vapid belfry]

yup

[charred ridge]

it doesn't really matter that you have more mana if you do less dmg

[vapid belfry]

dunno if thats more mana than a storm with t7 mana though, would have to run the numbers

[dark inlet]

max mana also contributes to damage via the tree. both added damage and more bolts

[charred ridge]

wdym by 1 more in reaper

[charred ridge]

yeah no shit

what I'm saying is

you will do less dps with the mana

than you will do with the t8 flat

[dark inlet]

someone's worked up

[open cipher]

yeah no way youll get more damage out of the mana vs 60 flat

[charred ridge]

sorry I'm just like that

[vapid belfry]

right but we're saying you run tt with t7 necro, as it gives 13 flat crit

[charred ridge]

i understand what you are saying

[vapid belfry]

also +2 to skills but dont think that matters

[abstract summit]

Reaper form, the skill? It gets nada from traitor and could certainly use points there

[charred ridge]

what I'm saying is i already did all the math

[vapid belfry]

can you post the maths please?

[charred ridge]

and the t8 dagger is 20% more dmg than TT

[charred ridge]

oh right

yeah good catch

[open cipher]

guide makers probably just hack in full items offline and test it that way 🤷‍♂️

[charred ridge]

search in this discord msgs by me that include a link

there's a spreadsheet

[abstract summit]

Probably? 😄

[open cipher]

(:

[charred ridge]

nice try but we literally did the work before the skill even existed

but yes

in a lot of cases you would be right

[open cipher]

Im not saying you didnt. Props to all the pre patch theory crafters.

[vapid belfry]

thank you

[abstract summit]

There were like 1 or 2 inaccuracies in your latest sheet when i revisited it but like less than 1%, so if the math maths then we shall obey lol

[charred ridge]

which ones?

[charred ridge]

the t8 setup isn't on the public spreadsheet yet but i got it to 102mil dps

you can manually do the work if you're interested in that setup

[astral kettle]

Is there any enemy in the game that can AOE stun? I am contemplating how important stun immunity is for my minions since I will be contwrolling a huge army.

[abstract summit]

F if i know cause it was like a week ago, couple flat and one multi maybe?

[charred ridge]

like input inaccuracies then not formula

[pallid plume]

Hey some maths stuff.

With chaos bolt + mages getting stats from mana.

1 flat per 20 + 5% per 25

So 100 mana is 5 flat dmg and 20% more dmg

However in terms of maths is a t7 flat mana roll better than t7 minion dmg ?

Or is it more angles to scales. Like once you have 600% inc getting 40% more is far better than 300% inc ?

Or is it just playing around on a planner to work out ?

[abstract summit]

Oh ye input ye ye

102 with full scorn?

[charred ridge]

hmm sometimes i lowball stuff for an estimate

like valeroot gives 12 flat spell dmg but since it's phys flat and it doesn't benefit from necrotic pen, i put in 6 instead

or something

[vapid belfry]

yeah would run it on tunklab when i get the chance, was just looking at it and thought popped into my head

although idek if tunklab would be able to run that

[abstract summit]

My last giga minmaxed setup barely but reaching 4100 mana was 90+ so it's not 20% more imo, but certainly more realistic than max roll on every mana slot including all idols lol

[charred ridge]

i didn't know tunklabs had a tool for dps calc

[vapid belfry]

it might not tbf, last time i used it was season 1 which was ages ago

[charred ridge]

ok interesting, we should maybe run the same setup through both spreadsheets to make sure we get the same result lol

cus i think we kinda did that at some point and there might've been a discrepancy

[abstract summit]

Bro im still only at 200 corr and don't have flat on my tithe, have mercy 😄

[charred ridge]

no rush lol

im just saying im not 100% sure both our spreadsheets are built equal

[abstract summit]

I do add the fire portion too tho fyi

[white oracle]

I love mana flay so far, even if I have the most unoptimized build of all time for it

[abstract summit]

Couple mil

[charred ridge]

things like shred stacks also i just arbitrarily put in 1.58x dmg mult

but maybe you put more in there

[abstract summit]

On my latest pass i just flat took your numbers while also checking them that's why i noticed the few small things 😄

[charred ridge]

alright lol

[abstract summit]

Bruh who do you take me for

I accurately calculated shred stacks 😄

[charred ridge]

rofl

[abstract summit]

0.56

Mkay

[charred ridge]

i definitely eyeballed the shred ngl

but if you already looked at both spreadsheets in parallel they should both be fine

[abstract summit]

Ye so i would say 10% more rather maybe
The bottom line is use whichever setup you have gear for it's the effin same

[charred ridge]

ye dmg is way overkill

but SW is nice for the dmg reduction too

[abstract summit]

Ye

[charred ridge]

the prim relic is quite hp oriented defensively

SW will work better for ward

[obtuse totem]

SW?

[charred ridge]

and the slow immune also opens up an everyday last steps of the living

[abstract summit]

I def wouldn't do rhe phantom grip carved testy tho personally

[charred ridge]

shattered worlds

[obtuse totem]

ahhhhh right, thats why i didnt know the shorthand :P never had one drop lol

[charred ridge]

i didn't math stormcarved mostly cus i just figured if you need to add crit affixes you will lose mana affixes anyway

like the maxroll setup i think uses crit on chest and stuff

just slam mana and use SW

way better

[abstract summit]

Ye you lose mana if bossing, and survive if mapping. Im married to our rings
It's a good ghetto setup tho for sure

[charred ridge]

im also thinking

stardials with spell dmg/necro dmg

is almost certainly better than it

int

but int is pretty

[abstract summit]

I hate having sub 100 int lol

[real turret]

TFW capping crit with stardial atm

[charred ridge]

and int/spell dmg can be used for sorc builds and some other builds

[obtuse totem]

have yall got a builder with your current 'ideal

[charred ridge]

so you don't have to reslam 362 stardials for each build

[crude fossil]

deaths seals damage reduction only works for 3s correct? cause if I use it, I can let it run endlessly, but I guess thats just for the dmg wave for me to trigger?

[abstract summit]

I mean my next build is an ice strike monk soooo 🤣

[charred ridge]

lmfao

unlucky

I'd like to pay poe2 but only if they decide to launch away from LE 🙃

play

[charred ridge]

death seaal will auto cancel after its duration

[real turret]

Do you think t8 beats relic even with marrow shard setup?

Seeing as Ms is the better part of my dmg

[willow current]

You’re gonna try unarmed ice strike?

[crude fossil]

thats weird, doenst for me, maybe i need a relog

[maiden brook]

in the blood pact node of Drain Life, if paired with other health draining effects: 1) can you ever be drained to zero? and 2) does this mean if i get to the baseline of health i can just cast drain life in perpetuity?

[charred ridge]

dunno, probably not cus we have more info now

apparently the mana node double dips

actually idk it doesnt make sense ima have to check again with the dude who tested

[abstract summit]

Nah, no way ggg lets unarmed be viable lol

[willow current]

Hallowed palm scales so well with invoker and you use howa so maybe?

[vapid belfry]

they gave it nodes....i guess

[charred ridge]

apparently there's a rip blood node that procs marrow shards, and supposedly when flay casts rip blood and that rip blood procs marrow shards, the shards benefit from the mana node in flay twice

@real turret

[abstract summit]

Sheesh

[charred ridge]

but im assuming you dont spec rip blood so that explanation doesnt make sense to me

[vapid belfry]

so youre saying spec rip blood over harvest?

[abstract summit]

9x multi on a 9x multi

[charred ridge]

but you can try it maybe you randomly end up critting 2bil

[real turret]

Yeah no rip blood

[abstract summit]

How many ways did they break this skill lmao

[real turret]

I'll try when I'm home lmao

I'm pretty sure I should just drop chaos bolt all together at this point

[charred ridge]

yeah try it but honestly the source is pretty shaky

so idk

[vapid belfry]

guessing that scales additively? so like say youre getting 400% increased damage, it would be 800% on the marrow

[charred ridge]

should be multi

[real turret]

Also Ms has some giga busted shotgunning with minions

[astral kettle]

If I can only Focus on Strength Or Endurance then which should I focus on for T-rex? I am playing Minion Necromancer.

[real turret]

That's why the 25% more damage, can hit own minions node is 400% more actual dps

[abstract summit]

This truly the minion patch lol

[real turret]

If I summon a zombie pack on boss dummy

I 1shot it

[crude fossil]

with mana stacking lich, surely theres a sweetspot between mana and flat/inc/crit dmg on gear, no?

i cant imagine going mana on weapons is better than flat dmg

[charred ridge]

yes that sweetspot is called doing math

and yeah mana on weapon is basically never worth it

[crude fossil]

seems, inc dmg is easily gained as lich, 100% crit chance too, crit multi and flat dmg seems to be the lowest ones ye?

[charred ridge]

if mana on weapon is ever worth it that means your build gets like absolutely cosmic gains from mana lol

[charred ridge]

search in discord msgs from me that include a link

[crude fossil]

makes sense

[charred ridge]

there is a spreadsheet that you can use

if you want to play around

the optimal setup should be rune dagger with t8 flat

which is not what the spreadsheet is currently set up to

[crude fossil]

this one?

[charred ridge]

prob

just switch to the chaos bolts flay tab at the bottom

[obtuse totem]

@gusty crane is the belt actually worth it when you can only get like, 5-7 stacks of ignite?

is it good enough just for the frenzy basically

[charred ridge]

@real turret got clarification on the double dip

it happens when flay boots proc rip blood, deadly plot will apply twice to marrow shards (and only marrow shards)

dont ask me why it doesn't apply to chaos bolts and blood eruption lol

[real turret]

Oohhh

That makes sense actually

[crude fossil]

does it? sounds like a bug to me

[real turret]

I was doing shit dmg with ward setup boots

[charred ridge]

it is a bug, but bugs can still make sense

[real turret]

And I couldn't figure out why

[charred ridge]

rofl

there you go

but chaos bolts supposedly unaffected

[crude fossil]

does the mana stack lich even need those army of skin boots? seems like flay/harvest dmg is not big% anyway, no?

[charred ridge]

they're not required unless u are a bug abuser

[unique epoch]

yesss

[charred ridge]

feel free to swap them out if you want

[onyx sky]

i need some advice - my abomination is strong but keeps dying? https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Qe3maZxo
Is there a way to make it livesteal or anything?

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 94

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Necromancer (77) / Lich (10)

General:

▸ Health: 2,758, Regen: 23.38/s
▸ Mana: 132.8, Regen: 10.16/s
▸ Ward Retention: 234%, Regen: 37/s
▸ Attributes: 34 Str / 9 Dex / 97 Int / 9 Att / 18 Vit
▸ Resistances: 64% / 62% / 49% / 144% / 43% / 125% / 80%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 73%, Threshold: 552
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (36)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 33% (1,588)
▸ Block Chance: 32%, Mitigation: 60% (2,945)

Used skills:

Assemble Abomination / Dread Shade / Bone Curse / Aura Of Decay / Summon Skeleton

[obtuse totem]

well they also give multiplicative damage right? only to high health but still

[charred ridge]

flay doesnt do dmg

it doesnt apply to your spells

[crude fossil]

they are bugged? how come?

[charred ridge]

explained just above lol

the marrow shards double dip

[crude fossil]

and its the boots fault?

[charred ridge]

kind of

[strong crescent]

i just did one timeline in corruption 148, now i do a new one. do i have to start over at 100 ??

[charred ridge]

there's 36282 bugs related to marrow shards

[real turret]

No wait I'm sorry Im drunk and misunderstood

[charred ridge]

boots are one of them

[crude fossil]

you get a shade to boost corrption if you do 1 echo in a new timeline

[lucid olive]

Guys how expensive will be respecing from Necromancer to Lich from lvl 100 ?

[real turret]

I never had rip blood specced

[white oracle]

it was 205k at level 73

[strong crescent]

where ?

[real turret]

So it's not as explained but still maybe related to boots? I'll test myself when home

[charred ridge]

yeyeye specing rip blood was just misunderstanding, the bug will happen as long as you have the boots and use marrow shards

[real turret]

Oh

Yeah

[charred ridge]

like the boots will still cast rip blood unspec'ed

and when that happens marrow shards will double dip

[crude fossil]

thats weird, sorry dunno then

[charred ridge]

for w/e reason

[real turret]

Nah I don't think that's it

I get the gigaproc on first attack

[abstract summit]

🍝

[charred ridge]

maybe it's not

[real turret]

Simetimes

[crude fossil]

how do you even notice that? i cant fathom keeping track of any dmg

[real turret]

U record and watch in slomo

[charred ridge]

how does that contradict the theory though?

[real turret]

U have 0% chance to cast

It needs stacks

[strong crescent]

how does Folly woven boost other echos ?

[charred ridge]

cast marrowshards?

[real turret]

Or maybe I'm remembering wrong

Cast Rio blood

[charred ridge]

i don't think there is a prereq

rup blood is just a % chance

iirc

complete RNG

[real turret]

No it's 8% per stack

[charred ridge]

ah

it's possible you're rolling the 8% still

[real turret]

Hmm yeah

Idk I'll try in a couple hours

[charred ridge]

ty

[radiant vessel]

try unspeccing this

[unique epoch]

this also cast rip blood on proc so maybe it's not the flay proccing rip blood, but chaos bolt

[real turret]

Nah I'm not specced to chaos bolt

[charred ridge]

yeah but jess also said he lost all his dmg without boots

[radiant vessel]

does rip blood proc marrow shard somehow? I was looking at the rip blood tree and the only node for it I could find was this one, which requires a direct cast

[real turret]

Yeah it's def boots

[charred ridge]

and the theory is that they probably have some spaghetti code where they force deadly plot to apply from army of skin cause it normally wouldn't

cue the alt text on boots

[charred ridge]

should be unrelated

well maybe it's related in the spaghetti code

[abstract summit]

Im curious if this is going to be a s1 warlock situation

[radiant vessel]

ah ok, I thought somebody said that the problem was rip blood proccing marrow shards

[charred ridge]

ye that was a misunderstanding

but it's possible that it plays a role behind the scenes

cus it's very weird that the bug only applies to marrow shards specifically when rip blood procs

and not chaos bolts or blood eruption

[molten bramble]

Slight error in the skill multipler maybe? you put 1.48 for what I assume is Exhalt is misery shouldnt it be 1.12x1.12x1.12x1.12 = ~1.57

[charred ridge]

very possible

[willow current]

finally got a traitor tongue and a tithe

[charred ridge]

i couldn't find info on whether that was additive or multiplicative

and while most nodes are multi there are exceptions (for example witchfire)

[molten bramble]

well you did addative for that node and multiplicative for the other node in the tree

dooms vindication

[charred ridge]

which other node

oh i think i see the one

ye i mean i usually assume it's multiplicative but idk

good catch

[molten bramble]

In general I think both are multiplicative but who knows

[charred ridge]

yeah i asked around when i made the spreadsheet but couldn't get an answer

90% of nodes like these are multiplicative but there is a 10% that isn't

EHG is inconsistent with this and alt text doesnt clarify lol

[strong crescent]

isnt there a website where i can search all possible affixes? i thought lastepochtools had that, but cant find it. i wanna know whats possible for AREA affixes

[charred ridge]

go to letools and search area?

what did you have an issue with on letools

[strong crescent]

where?

[charred ridge]

items

[strong crescent]

ahh ty, found it. had to choose Basic and not Unique in there which is does by default

i just wanted to search affixes not items

got any tips to lvl Woven faction fast?? im kinda stuck on lvl 5

[molten bramble]

For crit multi you have skill tree 100% What is that coming from?

[visual jetty]

;Any advices which one to pick for leveling?

[kindred inlet]

Necro is really good but boring

[vapid belfry]

both are good, only issue with left is mana management

[visual jetty]

I don't mind it's only for leveling so I am looking for fastest

necro it is then, thanks

[radiant vessel]

I feel like zoo necro is faster than the solo abom necro for leveling, until you get to empowered monos anyways

[vapid belfry]

i did left and finished act 10 in 5-6 hours

[radiant vessel]

especially with the dino

but warlock is probably faster than both

[visual jetty]

god a guide for that?

[vapid belfry]

thats the left one

[radiant vessel]

the acolyte leveling guide in ur SS should be it

you run around, press fissue once, and the whole screen dies instantly

[white oracle]

necro abom can be done without any gear, can zoo be done without gear too?

[radiant vessel]

yeah kinda though the dino seems to help a lot, but ur guaranteed to get it so no big

by the time you can actually learn abom you should have been able to get the t-rex relic

[white oracle]

I actually didn't have enough stuff to get dino helm until I was about to switch off abom

[visual jetty]

but isn't the one on left requires gear? minion build should be no brain no item, no ?

[charred ridge]

uhhh lmc

[radiant vessel]

nah warlock is messed up it doesnt need anything

not for pressing fissure while leveling anyways

[charred ridge]

i wonder if that's a bad copypaste from when i was mathing harvest lol

[radiant vessel]

"easy gearing" seems pretty clear to me

[visual jetty]

that was meant to another group lol sorry

[vapid belfry]

the respec multiple skills is also a lie, you respec when you get your mastery and thats it

[charred ridge]

ye good catch that is almost certainly a bad copypaste from a harvest sheet, this mistake is actually p-bad lol ty

[kindred inlet]

I mean u only really need a few pieces of mana regen for leveling.

[abstract summit]

Oh ye i think that was the multi i found lol

Also the 13 spell damage withouth shield is adaptive so split between necro and fire

[charred ridge]

as a side note the skill multi was including 1.06 from cold CB which isn't actually in the planner, and that was undoing the mistake of additive +12%s instead of multi lol

[charred ridge]

yeah i guess I'll fix that as well, i treated weapons implicit as fully necro too which isn't right

[abstract summit]

ye those were the couple flats i mentioned, now that im not a baby mattress anymore and had time to drink a coffee it came back to me lol

[rapid bobcat]

is it possible toplay lich for leveling?

[abstract summit]

possible yes, optimal, probably not

[rapid bobcat]

When should you switch, i already picked lich as my mastery lol, maybe i should jsut start over, not too far in.

[abstract summit]

switch to what exactly 😄

[rapid bobcat]

I guess to any of the current lich builds.

[abstract summit]

i mean you kinda need to decide what you wanna play cause they have vastly different gear requirements

[sage hatch]

Does this node reapply bone curse repeatedly? Does it obsolete Mark for Death's duration nodes?

[rapid bobcat]

Is there not like a path to getting towards the "S" tier version of lich? Mana Flay?

So maybe start chaosbolt lich (for arguments sake), and transistion once y ou start getting the reqs?

[abstract summit]

@charred ridge if you want to streamline things in my calcs the fire portion is around an extra 15% on top of the necro hit

[abstract summit]

could do that ye, it doesnt need anything
harvest flay lich is an easier flay start, you only need boots and some okay exalt weapons to start out
mana flay CB lich kinda needs both axe and dagger and boots and like 3-400 mana at the very least

[rapid bobcat]

Ty for the advice, this is the direction ill probably go then. And should i play the leveling build until i reach that time? Does it matter that i already chose lich mastery at 20? Or should i just continue and put skills into the warlock tree until say level 70 or whatever

then respec

Sorry im kinda new

so im just trying to grasp how to build progress i guess

[abstract summit]

im honestly not sure how good direct cast CB lich is for levelling, i basically always level fissure lock

[willow current]

is there a divine orb or sacred orb for unique items? or nah

[abstract summit]

there is an echo which is kinda both

woven i mean. you throw in your item alongside a copy of it, copy gets destroyed, other item gets divine + sacreds

[willow current]

ohh ok nice. for the copy it doesn't need to have LP right?

[abstract summit]

it does, the same amount 😄