💀┃acolyte

[marble crypt]

i guess its time to check your resists xd, crit immunity and effective hp xd

[formal sparrow]

i got crit avoid now

and 1280 life and ward cuz of 50% node

rip my last key QQ i need the chest

[abstract summit]

i love flay but holy spirits of fire boss is aids with it lol

[gaunt abyss]

Na, there are some balance issues this patch

[obtuse quest]

Melee woes

[marble crypt]

usually if i die from a 5k single hit i'd assume something something is wrong with my build because most of them should tank upto 9k-10k

if i die to like 1k tickle then well thats me being bad xd

[fast scaffold]

hey do know any good minions builder for necro ?

[abstract summit]

i swear to god they implemented some anti clustering tech, wasnt it the case you coud pull them together if you ran back to teh starting point?
now they disperse in 3 different directions as soon as you reenter the arena

[strange kiln]

only level 52 with pretty mediocre gear and my abom is already hitting nearly 1.6 million

[stone vault]

What abomination abilities are affected by CDR if DEAD EYE doesnt get a lower CD?

[pallid plume]

Hey is abomination actually fixed with this new patch ?

Apparently the random despawn stuff is gone

[lost gale]

hey @obtuse quest Ive been testing how the skeleton revive works and I think cruelty could work.

[obtuse quest]

You sure that's enough mana gen?

[lost gale]

not 100% sure but cruely sacrifices each minion 2s after it spawns right? not sacrifices everything at 2s intervals?

that bit I didn't test tbf

[obtuse quest]

Yeah

[lost gale]

well anyway, from playing with abom eating skellies it seems like dead skellies will revive no matter what as long as 3s later there's space in your minion cap for them to revive

so if you're summoning skeletons one at a time and summoning less than your cap in 2s then in theory holding down the button should keep introducing more and more skeletons into this 5s cycle where they're each dead for 3s then alive for 2

I bet you'd have to do it fresh for every map

but if you get a good roll on the mana cost on cruelty, or use bluefeather ring assuming that works, then the 15 mana you get back should be higher than the cost

and even if you do dip below 0 mana it still keeps sacrificing on schedule, you just get much less damage

so even if it is mana negative so long as you dip above 0 to cast more skeletons you can keep piling on more damage

[brittle urchin]

where shall i swap my abomin skill with ? and how to use it bec i kinda stuck with it

and when i swap and use it it dies fast

i am following the necromaner lvling guide

[obtuse quest]

You swap out the other minions, not abom.

[brittle urchin]

i mean how to use it like every map i put it instead of each skill

then put it back again

?

[waxen knoll]

Anyone know if Exquisite Blood on Flay tree bricks every node on the tree that specifies "melee attack?"

[dusty onyx]

Poggo!

[obtuse quest]

pretty much

[obtuse quest]

No melee attack=no melee related nodes.

[brittle urchin]

why does it die in 1 sec or just disappear ?

[waxen knoll]

damn, that is quite a downside. Getting to anything behind Plasma Fountain means you just straight up waste a point

[waxen notch]

Has anyone yet tried the Volatile Zombies Nuke yet?

[dusty onyx]

Now I just need to find a chest with a tier 7 reaper form

And refarm that stupid wand

[obtuse quest]

Did you remove him from the skill bar, cause you can't remove him. Also did you change your equipment or assign a passive point? DId you have the passive node that kills a minion on potion use?

[brittle urchin]

yeah i removed him from t he skill bar

so thats why i do not know which one i shall replace with

like which minion am not going to use again

so i swap

[obtuse quest]

Whatever minion you fed him, can only be used for him to eat and regain health. so literally any other minion that ins't him.

[brittle urchin]

so i can swap him with the golem ? so i can spam smaller ones faster to feed him ?

first time to play a summoner meh

[warm hawk]

Thoroughly disappointed by necromancer changes

[obtuse quest]

Yes.

[obtuse quest]

Pretty much only abom plays this weirdly.

[brittle urchin]

actually am going to play flay

but yet lvl 50 now

idk at which point i will swap but here am trying

any suggestion for cheap early items to carry me to level 80 ?

[modern timber]

yo

what level should i switch to the lich ascendancy im 73 now

should i wait till 80?

[obtuse quest]

Do you have the items for it is the core question.

[modern timber]

I DO

but

3 of them are lvl80 required

and one is 81

so 2 are lvl 80

[obtuse quest]

Then wait until you can.

[modern timber]

okay cool

[vocal wind]

switched to lich... The abomination build is really strong but it's so damn dull to play, I almost died from boredom

[turbid cradle]

Yo, what 1H axe do i use a Rune of Acendence on to get my Abom main hand? Just any 1H axe?

[obtuse quest]

The base type doesn't matter. If you use a 1h axe it will give you a 1h axe unique. (That isn't a boss drop)

[strange kiln]

Just got the Trex, man is it annoying. They should at least make the buff last a minute so its not roaring every ten seconds.

[torn plume]

any fellow harvest/flay lich players here? i'm trying to farm my Army of skin boots but no success, wondering if i can still transition into it from my leveling build

[dusty onyx]

lol killing a 250 corruption orobys in 3 seconds

first time I did so much damage

[astral kettle]

Does Abomination's double strike scale with my stats like strength etc?

[obtuse quest]

no

[vocal wind]

No. You'll have to keep ascending boots and target farm prophecies if you're a cof player

[obtuse quest]

Only his own

[brittle urchin]

can i put this in imprint ?

or it will only drop at beast rift

[sweet spade]

probably beast rift only

since that's where it drops

[obtuse quest]

Imprints repsect drop sources, so it wouldn't do anything

[formal sparrow]

wtf do summon builds do btw

like when their summon is slapping people

just stand there?

[lost gale]

@obtuse quest okay the mana is actually easy to sustain with skeletons and you can even afford to include 30% chance to spawn zombies in there too.

But the timing is actually horrendous to get right. I think you'd have to just work out a cast speed value that works and do it again every single mono. You can definitely have more skellies in circulation than your minion cap but spam casting is counterproductive at a certain point

[turbid cradle]

cool thanks. I got it first time on my other toon (but it was COF) so i cant use it on my new toon haha

used about 9 since :/

[obtuse quest]

The jank just to get usable curelty

[obtuse quest]

Not get hit

[lost gale]

yeah and if you just run through the map the explosions are happening way behind you

I can't really have fun playing LE in 1.3 unfortunately, performance got even worse and I get like 20fps playing builds that aren't even stressing the game much

[formal sparrow]

im surprised other ppl are having that experience

[turbid cradle]

Woo!

[left whale]

Havent had that issue yet, hope i dont get one

Lol

[left whale]

Yep, corruption 300

[south nexus]

Hi! Could someone suggest a lich build with good dmg against bosses, or an acolyte build that can do the work well? my dot poison lich is really slow to kill bosses and particular harbinger ones. Thanks a lot!

[astral kettle]

Bloody he'll. Abomination is hard to spec. So many nodes seem so good and not enough points to get them all X_X

1. I am looking at Abomination and it seems the way to go about it is to either make him a basic attack machine or to spec into his abilities. Seems inefficient to spec both? Am I correct?

2. Does Abomination's Shattered Limbs also disable health leech?

[vocal wind]

you might want to take a look at the maxroll builds. Right now the harvest/flay lic hbuild is popular, and a mana stacker/flay is going to be released soon. The latter is ranked S tier in bossing, same as the abomination build.

[formal sparrow]

you got any videos of the only mana stacker builds

curious to see the difference w cold flay

[left whale]

How’s farming going yall?

[dusty onyx]

????

[opaque vapor]

average hc experience

[red harness]

shouldve had 100k hp noob

[fast scaffold]

Leveling my Trya minions build with some twink gear and a solid weaver boots

https://tenor.com/view/girl-speeding-i-just-want-to-go-fast-barbie-jeep-swag-gif-11061448

[torn plume]

brooooooooooo

[formal sparrow]

how do you have the open menu on the side? also im merchants guild and ive yet to get traitors tongue or army of skin from ascendance runes QQ

[dusty onyx]

hmm...

[formal sparrow]

would expalin a lot

[vocal wind]

Volca (the dude who made the build harvest/flay build on maxroll) said this morning the guide for the mana stacker version was going to be out "soon"

[obtuse quest]

Aod Moment

[crisp ridge]

mourning frost moment 😂

[formal sparrow]

i just meant

a video

of the mana version in play

not specifically from that guide

[vocal wind]

I haven't seen a real gameplay one, but there's 2 bosses fight on yt at least

[formal sparrow]

ah ok

is this usable in some sort of build at all or just bad

[vocal wind]

where are you at in corruption

ah, any build

it was used a long time ago in spellblade builds idk if that's still the case

[formal sparrow]

hm ok

@obtuse quest selling you this for 2mil

aint much but slowly going up to 300 corruption

[south nexus]

great, ty!

[sweet spade]

🤔

[obtuse quest]

Lmao no

[sweet spade]

wait what, why are those boots untradable

[formal sparrow]

wish this was me

[sweet spade]

omggggggg, it's from an imprint ggg

[dusty onyx]

It exists/

but dang shit roll

[charred ridge]

rofl

it's not definite proof though, should ask EHG about it

uber echoes certainly don't proc all that much

[topaz marlin]

anyone knows why Abom tail slam sometimes has a fire wave, sometimes it's just a circle aoe??

[brittle urchin]

can someone help me a bit with my build for leveling necro ? i feel like i die every second and can not level up past lvl 61 on normal monolith lvl 70

[obtuse quest]

Okay, 50k freeze rate at max ailments is VERY funny

[strange beacon]

Ok so stygian coal is bugged

last line doesnt work at all 3% more dmg per 10 current mana

[charred ridge]

really? that's pretty lame

[strange beacon]

yea it does not work :/

no wonder rip blood and marrow deal 90% of the dmg haha

[granite pier]

trying the flay build in maxroll, but die a lot… one hit by bosses…

[charred ridge]

i thought this has been a popular item for a while now

how is it still bugged

[strange beacon]

rip the slam

[obtuse quest]

New bug, that line wasn’t bugged last season

[charred ridge]

interesting

wonder how that happened

well hopefully they fix it then lol

[obtuse quest]

God knows their spagetti code

[hard hearth]

Hy guys, can someone halp me with the right Abomination summon process? I read a lot of different methods and i dont know which one is the right one...

[strange beacon]

same crit dmg with 200 or 600 mana oh well

[charred ridge]

you reported i assume?

[strange beacon]

nop just found it out

i have god items and i deal x10 less dmg than coals from previous seasons haha

[charred ridge]

def go ahead and drop a bug report lol they can't keep getting away with it

[strange beacon]

i farmed days for the build haha i mean its still good but the beam just tickles

[idle valley]

Soo what you Guys going on build ? Im levering by doing necro currently lvl 37

[dusty onyx]

Ah! Should have slapped the better one

[strange beacon]

i might swap to pure rip blood build

since beam is bugged

[dusty onyx]

missed 3 spell dmg, wtv

[obtuse quest]

Damn didn't slam health, shameeee

[strange beacon]

at last t7 int xD

[dusty onyx]

Waiting for reaper for T7

I have 2 more 2LP exang in the back x)

Still enough

[formal sparrow]

feels good to see progress ngl

the champ rift beast woven echo

died like 9x the first time i did it

now deathless didnt even lose reaper form

[limpid mural]

Does anyone know if theese stack? (ie if enemy has all 4 do i get all 4?)

[old hull]

Yes, pretty sure the alt text explains it also

[formal sparrow]

yes

[limpid mural]

Ahh yep, alwas forget about alt 😂 🤦‍♂️

[charred ridge]

alt text doesnt explain whether those are additive together or multiplicative together though

it's not a big diff but still a question mark on the matter

im guessing multiplicative since that's how a lot of nodes work but there are some exceptions

[old hull]

Should be multiplicative, yeah

[ashen bluff]

dmg modifier to stack sounds like it adds them together to me

[strange beacon]

did the intentionally brick stygian coal or what xD ?

[ashen bluff]

its just bugged

[formal sparrow]

lost like 100 hp from t7 vitality but much better to get dex 😄

also t4 julra isnt that ez ngl

[brittle hill]

[formal sparrow]

flay warped me and im fokin stuck

[charred ridge]

ye that can happen

bug report it so they can fix it

[formal sparrow]

cant even portal out

[charred ridge]

same thing could happen in tombs with spirit step last patch and they fixed it

you should be able to open the map and tp i think

[modern timber]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzr09xF_XYg&t=186s can someone help me out with this build

[sweet spade]

hey @charred ridge, have you seen misha's mana flay, thoughts vs yours?

[sudden prairie]

my defenses are starting too look decent

got rid of my dinosaur for this temporally cant use 2 primordial items

running 8 skelly archers atm but im not sure how i feel about thier ai

[naive night]

Does the golem's armor and movement speed aura stack if i have multiple golems?

[obtuse quest]

no

[naive night]

And how is threat calculated? Is it based on dmg or is there some base threat value for each attack?

[autumn bough]

im so fckn tired of bugs in le

[formal sparrow]

truly tragic of a drop 🙁

[vivid ruin]

What bugs bothering you atm?

[autumn bough]

3rd build in a row im theorycrafting is bugged

[vivid ruin]

I havent noticed many tyhis season on lich.

[autumn bough]

falconer bugged, sacrifice abom bugged, now stygian coil bugged and just when i found tech to sustain full mana on it

[brittle urchin]

guys for flay lich you think which is better
harvest flay flicker
or the mishka 1 min uber abb one the mana one

[limpid mural]

Any tips to sustain a flay/chaosbolt/ripblood build? 😂

[autumn bough]

dont press it more than once on each pack, use harvest gg

i had no issues playing like that

[limpid mural]

no more room for harvest 😂

[autumn bough]

???

how

whats on your bar

[formal sparrow]

you dont need cb and rip blood in ur hotbar

[obtuse quest]

Did you spec both reaper form and death seal or something

[autumn bough]

he doesnt need to spec it

just put on bar

crazy if he cant

[obtuse quest]

(That's the joke)

[limpid mural]

ahh well yea that can do, just can't spec harvest

[autumn bough]

well dont

[charred ridge]

same build just different stage of gearing

[limpid mural]

using Spirit Plague, Chaos Bolts, Rip Blood, Reaper and Flay atm for specced skills. Damage feels crazy good (only 61 but leveling in monos since 30).

Yet...mana is an issue 😂

[sweet spade]

yours uses ward, misha's is like, low life or something

[autumn bough]

i literally YOINKED noobzors idea and changed gear eksdeee

no glass canon

[sweet spade]

oh perfect you're both here

QUESTION TIME

@lunar saffron dude what is up with the choice in relic?

[charred ridge]

there's 3600 different ways you can solve your defense

[autumn bough]

u dont need any of that sht 💀

[charred ridge]

just pick what you like with the budget you have

[autumn bough]

rip blood and plague dont do anything for flay

[autumn bough]

got any issues with it? want to square up?

a

?

[limpid mural]

You do know not everyone plays the same maxroll copy build?

[sweet spade]

i just don't understand why you chose stormcarved testament, is it only because of the mana?

[brittle urchin]

mana build or the harvest flay which is better in ur opinion ?

[autumn bough]

mana and phys res yess

[sweet spade]

cause all the other lines don't help the build i think?

[vivid ruin]

Using useless skills isn;t a requirem,ent to be original.

[autumn bough]

6 lightning spel dmg is nice too

[limpid mural]

Flay -> Chaos Bolts -> Rip Blood -> Chaos bolts need cursed for more damage.

[sweet spade]

@lunar saffron and oblation belt is for spell dmg?

[limpid mural]

Might be useless for you, does tons of damage for me and carries me lol

[autumn bough]

plus u literally cant put anything there in relic slot

its either primordial or lagon imo

[charred ridge]

im just impressed how you have the answer to all your questions already

[autumn bough]

or uber

[vivid ruin]

2 skills is a heavy price for 1 curse my man. But whateva floats your boat.

[sweet spade]

what about just... res/hp/mana relic lol

[autumn bough]

all u get from that is hp

[sudden prairie]

meh

[sweet spade]

and rings are for mana/crit i assume? is this build over crit cap?
feels pretty close

[autumn bough]

its like 102~ crit chance iirc

thats cause on budget

u can go uber relic+2 julras

or uber+2 erased

many options

[sweet spade]

julras for spelldmg i take it?

[astral kettle]

1. I am looking at Abomination and it seems the way to go about it is to either make him a basic attack machine or to spec into his abilities. Seems inefficient to spec both? Am I correct?

2. Does Abomination's Shattered Limbs also disable health leech?

3. Is it worth converting Harvest to plysical damage?

[jade cove]

So for anybody interested I posted my own Flay CB Lich setup on Reddit and the LE Forum:
https://www.reddit.com/r/LastEpoch/comments/1mzokoe/heavyz_flay_cb_mana_stacking_lich/
https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/heavyz-flay-cb-mana-stacking-lich/79106

[obtuse quest]

You don’t need plague for that, all you need is bone curse. In that setup plague wouldn’t be worth the spec, since it’ll generally just give you the 4% more damage from warlock’s mastery passive. It’s not worth the spec slot when it can do the same thing without spec.

[left whale]

Ooohhh hell yes

Just beaten aberroth on first try

Minion explosion build

[limpid mural]

Yea, i have it specced right now to increase clear speed, for single target you don't need it. If you curse a pack, all mobs hit by chaos bolts trigger rip blood and just explode. If you only curse one (unspecced) its a lot less

Prolly changing that later with better gear tho, yep

[obtuse quest]

Chaos bolt triggering rip blood is done by chaos bolt itself. Spirit plague has no involvement there? (Also, chaos bolt itself IS the clear)

[limpid mural]

indeed....always thought it only triggers on cursed mobs like all the surrounding nodes 🙁

💡

Reading helps 😂

[obtuse quest]

ONLY bone curse's node and the mana refund node needs a curse.

Everything else relies on hits and attritubes

[limpid mural]

👍 yea the mana refund is helpful tho not gonna lie

[obtuse quest]

(Bone curse itself can even trigger chaos bolt's bone curse cast lmao)

[devout burrow]

Would an executioners tithe work with a cold harvest lich all that well? I’d like to use the new weapon with its grand harvest perk but I don’t think it’d get the most out of it

[grand yoke]

Is there a more efficient way to re-summon Abomination because it's too burdensome every time it dies that I have to switch the skill hotbar with the minions, summon Abom to devour them, then re-swap the skills on the hotbar...

[obtuse quest]

By making sure they don't die. (No, there is not.)

[grand yoke]

I do have the skeletal warrior on my bar to keep feeding it to the Abom, but sometimes it just dies out of your control, you know?

[ashen bluff]

woop, woop, time to get nothing from the egg

[topaz marlin]

asking again, does anyone know abom's Tail Slam ability sometimes have a fire wave sometimes it's just a circle aoe?

[autumn bough]

chekc letools or tunklabs seems like it has 2 parts:slam and explosion

[formal sparrow]

3/4 good nodes and game freakin gets me the t1 mod QQ

[formal sparrow]

uber abberoth?!

[charred ridge]

uber doesn't drop an uber woven echo (unfortunately)

[sweet spade]

@charred ridge before you said the difference between your build and misha was budget, which is the more expensive one?

[charred ridge]

depends what planner you're looking at

if you are looking at my current gear that is certainly not expensive

[sweet spade]

it looks like a major divergence in your builds is that misha is low life and yours isn;t?

[charred ridge]

as i said there's 3600 different ways to solve your defense

[left whale]

No havent gone to corr 500 yet
Iam at 310 now

[grand yoke]

What's the most efficient way to increase your corruption?

[charred ridge]

im not convinced corrupted form is a defensive choice though

you'd need to bring me ehp calculations before i believe it

[clear kernel]

I am currently leveling as Warlock. 3rd monolith still leveling. What is the easiest way to get the boots and the dagger?

[formal sparrow]

i keep dying to mountain beneath by 200 overkill 🙁

[obtuse quest]

At best defensive wise it's equal or only a bit better.
It's mostly "Hey easy low life enable"

[charred ridge]

as far as i can tell, corrupted form is more about guaranteeing low life for the dmg bonuses

[left whale]

The process is a little tedious now from previous cause now u gotta use the sanctum keystone and they dont drop very often

[sweet spade]

i didn't realise misha chose corrupted form for defence, i thought it was for low life dps

[charred ridge]

that's exactly what I'm saying

[sweet spade]

albeit when hp is drained, having a fixed ward temporarily to buffer helps restore hp

[left whale]

I dont really know the fast way, i just raw dogged the it

[charred ridge]

i think it's only 180% increased damage you get from low life though? unless im missing a source

so i don't love the trade-off unless you go zhp

[formal sparrow]

do you lose exp when u die

[grand yoke]

Yeah I was wondering why Glyph of Envy didn't work

[grand yoke]

So just reach stability around 850 to do the echo boss then reset each echo?

[sweet spade]

is 180% "only"?

[charred ridge]

yes

my zhp setup has 2600% increased

180% of it is low life

[sweet spade]

not sure how this plays into, but if one build relies more on hp, that means endurance can be used right?

[charred ridge]

so i do still go low life but it's really just for the memes like it does nothing

[obtuse quest]

Yes

[charred ridge]

yes, if you build hp then i can believe that corrupted form would be more ehp but you'd still need to bring me calculations

[sweet spade]

minor tangent, if i have harvest in a left keybind compared to flay, I can hold down both keys and harvest will go off first right?
but if i have harvest on the right side, it won't autocast?

[charred ridge]

and i doubt it'll be more ehp than ward

[formal sparrow]

the chest is a lieeeee

[charred ridge]

yes

[sweet spade]

that's including endurance yeah? (your doubt)

[charred ridge]

yes

[sweet spade]

interesting wow

[charred ridge]

i mean i don't know like if you go corrupted form and build hp you have like what

5k hp divided by 2? and 2.5k ward?

if you don't go corrupted form and don't build hp

[old hull]

It's a mixed bag. Defensively, the best thing it offers is it prevents your leech from ending when you hit "full"

[charred ridge]

you also have 2.5k hp but also you have 15k ward

[sweet spade]

was this the budget gear you're talking about? https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/B70xb4Ko

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 94

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (77) / Warlock (10)

General:

▸ Health: 2,074, Regen: 20.5/s
▸ Mana: 938.76, Regen: 13.44/s
▸ Ward Retention: 202%, Regen: 89/s
▸ Attributes: 3 Str / 15 Dex / 61 Int / 3 Att / 20 Vit
▸ Resistances: 52% / 107% / 52% / 71% / 24% / 216% / 73%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 456
▸ Dodge Chance: 9% (255)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 30% (1,374)

Used skills:

Flay / Harvest / Death Seal / Reaper Form / Chaos Bolts

[sweet spade]

what'd be the "more expensive" gear?

[charred ridge]

that's not a build that's just my character

or rather that was my character on day 1

https://youtu.be/dqYulLvo-kk

that's the theorycrafted build

zhp variant

[charred ridge]

yeah it's convenient for sure

i think ward should outperform but i haven't been able to play around with it yet

either setup is fine though im just expecting the build to blow through any content in that game regardless

[old hull]

Ward should definitely get you better 1 shot ehp than health, but health should have better sustain

[charred ridge]

apparently you can stand in uber puddles with neither so it's probably fine

[sweet spade]

is there something that converts leech to ward?

[old hull]

Corrupted form compared to not for just a health build, it's similar to taking dual wield node in terms of ehp penalty

[grand yoke]

Why does the Abom build require +bow dmg in the recommended gear?

[charred ridge]

no

[obtuse quest]

No

[old hull]

but CF has that ward limit that cuts its upper limit, granted it's a little easier to fill up some of that ward on CF compared to regular life

[sweet spade]

so you have 15k ward, but how does it regen? not get hit?

[old hull]

Is it using the deadeye node? Or it that just a hybrid melee/bow affix?

[charred ridge]

press reap

big skill check

it's actually somewhat of a skill check though tbf the ward stuff

if you want to turn your brain off or you have bad mechanical gameplay prob just build hp

cause it involves mana management and using death seal

unless you build ward with architects and low life items

then it's also brain off just different flavour

[pallid dawn]

for the chaos bolt lich, on the weapon, which affix matters the most
which one i should use ?

[sweet spade]

one thing annoying about the low life build is if you're backtracking/moving to next pack and reaper wears off, you have like 10-20s before you can toggle again zz
and/or on new echo

[old hull]

AoD with some heal effect helps a good bit

[sweet spade]

not in mana flay build

[sage hatch]

I'm playing harvest lowlife with flay for the boots. This "Death's Embrace" scythe is killing my mana. How do I sustain it?

[sweet spade]

you prbo need the wep

depending on which build you're following

[sage hatch]

I'm vibing, not following a guide. The weapon is Death's Embrace.

[ocean shale]

any abo killed uber yet?

[sweet spade]

then you either gotta press flay less, or use a mechanism to regen mana (the guides use a wep effect)

[sweet spade]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mM36_Zw7cE

[topaz marlin]

is the scythe a good upgrade

[faint tusk]

can anyone help me improve my build lol im new and hitting a wall ish at 160 corruption

[ocean shale]

nah, he snapshotted and offline

last season mechs

[sweet spade]

look at date

top left corner

[ocean shale]

read comments

you’re not able to snapshot abilities anymore

that gear in his planner will get you maybe 5 mins (if you can survive longer than 1)

[sweet spade]

i don't know what to tell you, misha cleared on 1.3

the video is there, yes it's offline

it's a proof of concept

[obtuse quest]

Can't be snapshot, there's the assasinate minion control icon right there. (The shade snapshot still exists right now online.)

[odd spire]

Does a level 28 skill inherently do more damage than a level 22 skill with internal scaling? Or is it only additional points and that determines the damage? I'm trying to decide if + skill to skellies would buff their damage after i have all their damage skills already or if i should go with a direct damage buff for them

[obtuse quest]

It's only points.

Skill levels doesn't mean anything outside of the points.

[odd spire]

thought so, just wanted to confirm. Thank you ❤️

[noble flame]

The Final Grasp node in Dread Shade casts sacrifice when a minion dies. The wording on the skill says "it casts". Is the cast from the dying minion or you (for scaling)?

[obtuse quest]

You. Dread shade is not a minion.

[old hull]

It's your cast

[noble flame]

That's what I figured. But after playing Maelstrom Scorpion I've had to question the wording lol

[pallid dawn]

can the bloodline glade drop primodal items ? or just t8 exalted items ?

im trying to farm the carrion of creation

[obtuse fossil]

My Abomination keeps disappearing mid combat. I'm not putting points into any skills/passives and I'm not changing any gear or skills (at all). His HP is always around 90%. Sometimes he does it when he's very close to me too...so it's not always a leashing thing (if it's ever been).

He's made out of skeletons (nothing else) and they have 100% resummon. He's also set to sacrifice them.

I'm using Ettera's Path, so maybe it's the vines...?

[sweet spade]

any chance you're clicking shrines?

[obtuse fossil]

nah

I mean I am but that's not when it happens

and I haven't stopped ot summon him AFTER a shrine

[lost gale]

ive seen the abom sac itself a few times unfortunately

the sac node works amazingly well apart from that small issue

[obtuse fossil]

that's rough

[lost gale]

yep

[obtuse fossil]

I wish his sac didn't have an animation too, but yeah, I can live with it...

[old hull]

There's also a passive node that kills a minion when you drink a potion

[lost gale]

oh yeah check for that passive too

[obtuse fossil]

I haven't drank any potions so that's not it

[lost gale]

it has a long range and multi targets! way better than profane oblation (though player vs minion scaling is ofc relevant)

yeah but just don't have that passive on an abom necro lol, not worth it for you to run over a pot and kill your abom

[obtuse fossil]

I didn't plan to, heh

hmm

yeah, no points in exlir atm

I don't have any sac triggers that would -force- a secondary sac so

feels like a bug

I wonder if there's a minion cap...

Truth be told I'm using blood spectres

and with the vines from the boots I reach over 30 minions fairly often

[obtuse quest]

No

[cerulean pewter]

any chance you could share your items? since you shared the passives + sheet in the vid, looks really interesting. Can only tell from debuffs/buffs that you have siphon + chains, core of the mountain

Edit: nvm just found the msg with the planner linked, tyvm

[obtuse fossil]

I didn't THINK that was the case but obv somethin is make em poof, must be a bug

[charred ridge]

you realize Misha plays offline right

[lost gale]

the node is meant to stop the chain sacrifice from hitting the abom anyway but I left sac on single minion targeting and the abom still sacced itself sometimes

[civic gulch]

is there an acolyte build that isnt actually lich or summoner? maybe smth more like mage

[obtuse fossil]

oof...that kinda wrecks my build, heh

hope they can do something about it

[obtuse fossil]

bleed warlock is a thing iirc

I wanna say it uses cthonic fissure but that's not (currently) my bag

[hearty harness]

How is a single Skeletal Mage Archmage performing this season?

[obtuse fossil]

Yeah I've been curious about them and wraithlord

[cerulean pewter]

has anyone here done uberroth on cold harvest lich or are most people just swapping to mana setup

(or maybe its too early to tell)

[obtuse quest]

That's warlock.

[abstract summit]

It is a defensive option, but it trades one hit ehp for sustain and dot ehp basically
You just need to decide which one is more important to you

[real turret]

huh is marrow shards bugged or something?

this deals infinity dmg

[sour viper]

you have a video of it? havent tried marrow

[thorn grove]

🥺 anyone know if wraithlord builds got a good power buff this season with the minion buffs and general acolyte changes?

[pale hawk]

Any tips on how to make sure Assemble Abomination consumes my skeletons first?

[faint tusk]

can aonye help me improve my build lol im pretty new and i thinik im starting to hit a wall at ~160 corruption i lowkey have no idea what im doing https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QdOpp31A

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 94

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (21) / Lich (86)

General:

▸ Health: 2,525, Regen: 33.81/s
▸ Mana: 109.48, Regen: 9.28/s
▸ Ward Retention: 157%, Regen: 30/s
▸ Attributes: 6 Str / 6 Dex / 66 Int / 6 Att / 13 Vit
▸ Resistances: 118% / 172% / 110% / 97% / 79% / 165% / 123%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 60%, Threshold: 757
▸ Dodge Chance: 4% (91)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 31% (1,476)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 56%

Used skills:

Rip Blood / Marrow Shards / Reaper Form / Aura Of Decay / Death Seal

[urban wraith]

Anyone tried Death's Embrance yet with the Flay boots?

[odd spire]

I'm going to preface this with i don't know anything about reaper. Your Chest says you are going low life, but you don't have any other gear for it. What issues are you having, dying to fast? not killing fast enough?

[sour viper]

it could be interesting, esp with the harvest procs

[faint tusk]

usually clearing monoliths r pretty easy but bosses my damage starts to get low especially harbinger 160, also dont know how tanky im supposed to be at this point

what are other lowlife items?

[urban wraith]

Yeah I figured surely +269% area size with both flat and percentile melee increases can't be bad

[faint tusk]

i also am not sure how to fix the health degen constantly from the chest unless im not supposed to i just saw tunas stream and hes maintaining ward without degen life

[urban wraith]

might be worth considering Truesight Glas too, for real juicy crit harvests

[faint tusk]

so i want to fix my ward uptime without chest if possible and improve damage

[urban wraith]

Death Seal has a node for that

[odd spire]

I would move 2 points on base acolyte tree, one from bone aura and one from blood aura. and put them both into crimson gluttony

[faint tusk]

i use death seal but i want to sustain without seal

[odd spire]

Last steps for boots and experimental affix on gloves.

[urban wraith]

I mean I'm no expert by any means but I assume you're gonna need both to push high corruption. No minions and you're melee range

[odd spire]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BO67aj0Q here is my low life necro, not perfect by any means

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 91

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (32) / Necromancer (62) / Lich (10)

General:

▸ Health: 2,445, Regen: 20.61/s
▸ Mana: 113.96, Regen: 11.2/s
▸ Ward Retention: 123%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 9 Str / 9 Dex / 24 Int / 9 Att / 37 Vit
▸ Resistances: 99% / 179% / 106% / 54% / 36% / 113% / 157%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 58%, Threshold: 587
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (36)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 23% (860)

Used skills:

Summon Skeleton / Summon Skeletal Mage / Dread Shade / Aura Of Decay / Rip Blood

[granite chasm]

Quick question, is leveling with Lich good or should I stick with either Warlock or Necro then reroll ?

[faint tusk]

i was thinking of switching to reliquary nest if i get good idols

[faint tusk]

how fast did u get ward back after taking a hit

[urban wraith]

leveling with lich is honestly dog, like vanilla wow Warrior levels of dog

[obtuse quest]

low life
Reaper form

[odd spire]

a couple of seconds. but again i dont know if you should or shouldn't go low life with reaper

[urban wraith]

gotta faceplant into champions a hundred times to kill them, get two-tapped in melee range and the ranged options basically do no damage

[odd spire]

Low life the way im doing it focuses on current health lost and missing health gained as ward

[faint tusk]

ya same here

[astral kettle]

1. I am looking at Abomination and it seems the way to go about it is to either make him a basic attack machine or to spec into his abilities. Seems inefficient to spec both? Am I correct?

2. Does Abomination's Shattered Limbs also disable health leech?

3. Is it worth converting Harvest to plysical damage?

4. I am investing completely in offense like crit and damage for my abomination and minions. Is this a good idea or will that make my abomination and minions too fragile especially againsst bosses? I am investing in HP leech though.

[obtuse quest]

How do you even sustain reaper form in low life without losing your ward per second via missing health?

[faint tusk]

my biggest swap in end game i had theoretically was getting super good idols and getting good experimental gloves

i have perma reaper

only time i run out is if i take a big hit and switch or after like 2 full monolith clears

[obtuse quest]

That would mean your ward per second goes down since you'll have health?

[faint tusk]

my ward doesnt go down uh idk what u mean lol

[low spade]

it doesn't go down because you're specced into corrupted form and your ward is being capped at a quarter of what architects lets you go to

[heavy kernel]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/ALJy63WB

why does my abominations healthg goes down when attacking and seems not leexching?

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 89

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (25) / Necromancer (67) / Lich (10)

General:

▸ Health: 1,959, Regen: 37.91/s
▸ Mana: 166.44, Regen: 10.88/s
▸ Ward Retention: 187%, Regen: 73/s
▸ Attributes: 25 Str / 12 Dex / 65 Int / 12 Att / 17 Vit
▸ Resistances: 57% / 69% / 47% / 100% / 29% / 106% / 96%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 80%, Threshold: 392
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (48)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 22% (770)
▸ Block Chance: 35%, Mitigation: 45% (1,473)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 3%

Used skills:

Summon Skeleton / Assemble Abomination / Aura Of Decay / Dread Shade / Bone Curse

[faint tusk]

o ya

[obtuse quest]

It's kinda supposed to, your ward amount depends on retention, ward per second, and ward decay threshold.

Normally, a low life setup burns their health for 3-5x of that amount in ward.

If your ward count is LESS than your max health, your low life build is probably bad.

(exceptions are corruption form)

[faint tusk]

thats why it doesnt go down

XD

]

i cant go below half my hp

[urban wraith]

Can you even hit a point in ward generation where it outperforms just flat HP and armor bonuses?

[obtuse quest]

You can't go above half your health, nor can your ward go above half your health.

[obtuse quest]

Ward is protected by armour so...

(Building health can build ward, if you're using the exsang combo.)

The only DR layer ward isn't protected by is ENdurance.

[urban wraith]

Do we not have some way to cycle mana infinitely and then run the ward belt and ring?

[obtuse quest]

Do you have a method to generate mana without running out of mana to use?

[wind glade]

What are some build ideas that might not be meta but can perform decently well and have a high APM? Making my first acolyte and just want a play style where I'm doing a lot of things

[obtuse quest]

You er, probably have to look elsewhere, procs are like the core of acolyte.

[torpid plinth]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/ALJyErjB
so im kinda fiddling around and im wondering does the % more spell damage per 100 max mana increase bleed damage for chaos bolt and rip blood?

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 95

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (31) / Lich (58) / Warlock (19)

General:

▸ Health: 3,226, Regen: 22.3/s
▸ Mana: 520.54, Regen: 13.28/s
▸ Ward Retention: 296%, Regen: 27/s
▸ Attributes: 6 Str / 6 Dex / 91 Int / 6 Att / 13 Vit
▸ Resistances: 124% / 101% / 99% / 125% / 97% / 99% / 38%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 968
▸ Dodge Chance: 1% (24)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 35% (1,746)

Used skills:

Chaos Bolts / Aura Of Decay / Rip Blood / Flay / Reaper Form

[wind glade]

I'm not against procs I just want options at any moment

Like last season I played a modified primalist Swarmblade build but also with spriggan form. Close to meta but I liked having more options even if not perfect

[bitter cave]

From how i understand, only chaos bolt will get the damage bonus as the skill needs to be triggered from Flay's tree

[obtuse quest]

From flay's node? No, it says "spell damage".

[bitter cave]

But it doesnt specify hit so dot's should be buffed no?

Or am i misunderstanding this wording

[obtuse quest]

Is your DoT a spell?

[bitter cave]

No, but it gets applied by the spell, i was under the assumption that as long as it doesn't specify "hit" that it would work

But could be wrong ofcourse dont have a ton of hours into LE

[torpid plinth]

rip blood also gets the spell damage bonus if you run the skin boots

i guess easy question

[obtuse quest]

Since it specifically buffs "Spell damage", it only buffs spell damage. DoTs are not spell damage by default.
Inherting damage mods keeps the mods. So the DoT would gain the spell damage boost, but it is not a spell so it doesn't affect it.

[bitter cave]

Huh really? Cause the flay node specifically says: triggered by flay's tree

[bitter cave]

Aight i see

[torpid plinth]

the boots specify that the mana node applies to flays triggered from the boots

[bitter cave]

Aight very nice then

[torpid plinth]

but more importantly does hit damage decide the bleed damage? and if so is it only local hit damage that increases bleed damage like % more damage to cursed targets

[obtuse quest]

Hit damage does not matter for DoTs.

[torpid plinth]

noted

[bitter cave]

Dot's all have their own base dmg and duration

[torpid plinth]

ok so things like the rip blood deals more damage does not apply to bleeds applied by rip blood

BUT the rip blood deals more DOT does apply

[obtuse quest]

This is going to take a while to explain

[torpid plinth]

i need my brain hurt juice

hit me

[obtuse quest]

DoT inherit all damage increases from the skill that applied it.

[torpid plinth]

but not increases from gear unless it specifically affects dots

thats easy enough to grasp

[obtuse quest]

So, is a skill had:
100% more damage
100% more physical damage
100% more hit damage

Any ailment applied to it will inherit these modifiers, but since DoTs are not hits, they do not get any boost from the %more hit damage even though they have it.

[torpid plinth]

got it

[radiant vessel]

got a 1 LP orian's eye, is it even better than the stupid dinosaur necklace? lots of mana but losing +2 to skills seems brutal

[torpid plinth]

so if that % more spell damage was just % more damage it would affect the bleeds

[obtuse quest]

YYup

[torpid plinth]

cool on that note what should i change about the build

i havent really hit a wall yet but im way squishier than i would like to be

its got giga damage right now but the attack speed is kinda scuff

[limpid mural]

kinda confused here, Chaos is not damage over time, does the Bonus apply to all dots applied by chaos bolt?

[obtuse quest]

Yes.

[torpid plinth]

basically

TLDR stack life= get dam

[astral kettle]

Which is the best curse for a necromancer?

[modest delta]

Am I missing anything here? Where in this build setup is this person applying curses? "Another Affliction" from Chaos Bolts requires a curse to already be applied: https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/B70xb4Ko

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 94

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (77) / Warlock (10)

General:

▸ Health: 2,074, Regen: 20.5/s
▸ Mana: 938.76, Regen: 13.44/s
▸ Ward Retention: 202%, Regen: 89/s
▸ Attributes: 3 Str / 15 Dex / 61 Int / 3 Att / 20 Vit
▸ Resistances: 52% / 107% / 52% / 71% / 24% / 216% / 73%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 456
▸ Dodge Chance: 9% (255)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 30% (1,374)

Used skills:

Flay / Harvest / Death Seal / Reaper Form / Chaos Bolts

[wheat vapor]

Scent of death in flay tree applies marked for death, and that debuff is considered a curse

[obtuse quest]

It is not specced in that planner. I'm blind.

[modest delta]

My gosh, thank you!

[torpid plinth]

oh right how does endurance work vs a hit that is initially mitigated by like a tiny bit of ward

does endurance just straight up do nothing

[obtuse quest]

Endurance will cover the health portion of the damage.

[torpid plinth]

ok crap now i know why i feel so squishy

20% endurance with like 1600 usable life

[rancid sedge]

Need a lot more life and end there haha I had the same problem

[torpid plinth]

yea hard to stack enough life with that low life mod from lich

im half contemplating swapping to a poison build instead

every time i consider that though the build just feels worse than the bleed build and not even much tankier

[tiny acorn]

i have a question can i use primoridal exalted items to make legendary?

[muted mist]

fun tech I just discovered, the Effigies passive will trigger when Pyre Golem uses Bone Kindling to consume skeletons; one skeleton dies, the rest survive at 20% health. I was gonna go for 100% skelly rez using Sinathia shield and the new Unbound Necromancy passive to keep the Pyre fueled, but with the Effigy trick it's really not needed

[obtuse quest]

You can, but it wouldn't do anything, legendary crafting ignores sealed affixes.

[muted mist]

the primordial affix is sealed, so it cannot be slammed

[tiny acorn]

ohh

[torpid plinth]

i guess i steal a few more pieces out of dr3ads book and grab mask of indifference so im ailment immune

[unique epoch]

Is this prefix still available ?

[tiny acorn]

than another question primordial exalted item can be use with a unique one?

[torpid plinth]

no

1 primordial item period

[tiny acorn]

asad

[obtuse quest]

Oh god, it's the monster caused by a bug.

(You need to find the mana affix on a mage item)

[hot ginkgo]

ayeee

[unique epoch]

so is it impossible to find now ? Or im just blind

OHH i found it now

[obtuse quest]

TLDR: It is supposed to be a mage/sentinel only affix, but when slammed into a unique, it does not have a class requirement.

[unique epoch]

That's cleaver tho, i'll try to replicate it

ok found a base, now need to multiply it from woven before attemp 😄

[charred ridge]

sounds like it yeah

[vocal wind]

where did you get the capibaras

I too want capibaras

take my money EHG

[hot ginkgo]

was like a season 2 bundle thing

[vocal wind]

do you mean I can't get them anymore ?

[unique epoch]

season 2 twitch drrop

[devout burrow]

If I were to convert the cold lich back to necro, executioners tithe would get me a nice little buff over the two daggers that the cold lich roll wants?

[vocal wind]

ok new idea

[vocal wind]

how much for your account

[hot ginkgo]

uuuhh nah

[vocal wind]

cmon

[unique epoch]

oh nvm im dumb, it's the woven traveller pack

[hot ginkgo]

^

[vocal wind]

lol

I'm so dumb

I already have them, I just forgot

nvm me

[hot ginkgo]

bought 2 legend supporter packs s2 and s3

the toucan sound effect is too noisy

especially when you have 2

[thorn grove]

Why did they remove crit from dread shade

That like kills wraithlord lol

Wow they like entirely gutted dread shade

[hot ginkgo]

😙

[thorn grove]

Lost 2 huge damage multipliers and with losing crit as well any minion with dread shade before patch is now doing like 10-30% of the damage as before 💀

[steel hull]

any acolyte build compare to damage and tankiness of vk smite? wanna try another build thats tanky but not a minion build?

[wintry flame]

wraithlord lost what damage multis? Also you have to build barely any crit

you get 200% free from tree

so it's just 2 affixes or all your idol suffixes, it's not much dmg loss at all for Wraithlord. It likely saw buffs overall

[real turret]

https://streamable.com/dv2wcb

swapped to a zombie instead of harvest to always have minions for marrow shards

300mil crits lool

[unique epoch]

hehe

[steel hull]

how tanky is this build?

[unreal hill]

lich can be super tanky with the right setup and gear.
I haven't figured out damage yet tho

[real turret]

0%

[steel hull]

it takes me like 3 minutes to kill normal aberroth on VK smite and i literally only move for when he does the aoe slam @unreal hill how does the lich compare to that?

[unreal hill]

Dunno, the build I made is more of a sustain tank. Shouldn't die unless it gets 1hit ko'd.

[thorn grove]

Doomed Wraith node is gone, that was a 45% more dmg multiplier, and Grim fate (60% more) is basically gone because now you can't cancel the health drain with the poison stacks like you used to without losing all inc necro and taking double damage would prolly kill the wraithlord on any big hit, survivability with Abby was already not the greatest. You also can't take the 40% inc node that halves crit anymore since you need to build crit

[unreal hill]

Haven't tried aberroth yet

[wintry flame]

that node never worth for Wraithlord as it's not a Wraith. Idk why people took it. Also the health drain you can take and wear Lich's Scorn to get flat still. I also don't know why people never used that catalyst to get that flat.

[abstract summit]

Lmao
Ye I think it's safe to say something is off with a flay interaction

[steel hull]

looking at volcas ripblood lich and it looks good just dont know how tanky it is

[abstract summit]

Bwz also noticed yesterday it is doing damage it is not supposed to

[thorn grove]

Ohhh right I did find that out abt the doomed wraith node right before I stopped last season. I have never heard of this catalyst, are you saying to still go for the poison node with this?

With crit tho even still taking that node you have only 15% base crit, that's a lot of inc crit u need

And you still can't take the 40% inc cast speed node, Blind fury, because of the crit reduction now

[cosmic magnet]

for chthonic fissure, do the chaos bolts that replace spirits still inflict torment?

[charred ridge]

lmao what is that

[torpid plinth]

im willing to bet theres another zero somewhere in the code

[charred ridge]

wouldn't mind if they fixed that bug tbh whatever it is

@real turret how much more single hit dmg do you reckon you can get?

[torpid plinth]

honestly skimming some numbers i think i can make my build alot tankier and deal way more damage

i just need to nose to the grindstone and get some better gear

[real turret]

its your planner

[charred ridge]

if you 7x your dmg you can one shot uber

[real turret]

idk what else to upgrade

[charred ridge]

oh

so it's decked out already

[real turret]

ye p much

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUY6eGeae5Y

uabby on online with crap gear

in that setup

[charred ridge]

it wasn't intended for marrow shards so maybe it can be optimised more

but prob not 7x more lol

[real turret]

idk cause u cant get flat other than necrotic i think

so its already kinda bis setup

i tested like changing as much to phys as possible but it was less dmg

[wintry flame]

You could snapshot your wraithlord and lich's scorn. It gives like 150 flat cold and cold pen per int. there is additional cast speed in tree now and you can use primordial if you wanted to scale cast speed/spell damage on idols. idk there's quite a bit you can do for the build I don't think it's nerfed or even worse.

[abstract summit]

So uhm

Mourningfrost is back boyz 😄

[real turret]

oh hmmmm

mourning could be insane

the flay boots are useless anyway

[abstract summit]

I mean dont replace the mana affixes ofc with dex but still

[charred ridge]

yep the issue is how are you gonna stack dex on top of other things

how much dex do you get atm

[thorn grove]

Snapshotting was gone I thought

[charred ridge]

you can go confluence of fate (amulet) for 54 flat

18 of it is necro

you lose nihilis mana though

[abstract summit]

You have some dex in passives

But anwyway, you orob dont need to pump a 3s dummy more lmao

[charred ridge]

it's interesting if you can skip uber phases

maybe get rid of all aspd stuff and get more straight dmg

[molten bramble]

talk about glass cannon... who needs defense when uberoth doesn't attack

[charred ridge]

that's what im saying

defense is overrated

[real turret]

oh yeah this i did in the clip, dropped as for multi etc

[charred ridge]

ah ok

need to spreadsheet the t8 rune dagger setup but i doubt we ever squeeze uber down under 20s

[civic gulch]

any good warlockc build?

[thorn grove]

Yeah

Minions should now correctly update their stats whenever nodes or equipment are swapped out, even if the minions were previously already summoned.
https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/quality-of-life-minion-ai-coming-to-last-epoch-august-21st/78609

[astral kettle]

As a necromancer I invested completely in offence amd leech in my minion skill tree and in HP and Leech in the passive tree. Will my abomination, golem, wraiths and skeleton minions get 1 shot/die easily?

[unique epoch]

damn your idols

[fickle quest]

I'm trying to play physical aura of decay with exsanguinous, a bleed build with my main attack with it being harvest. But I just reached empowered monos and am getting absolutely destroyed, I both can't survive and can't kill stuff. Does anyone have a guide for a build like this I could learn from, or is it just not a good build?

[unreal hill]

I did a version of that build and it's fine, but it's really expensive gear wise.

still low dmg tho

[fickle quest]

Welp

So I guess its just not good

thanks

[vapid belfry]

you probably want to be using flay with army of skin, its so much flat damage and area for harvest

[rancid sedge]

army of skin is OP af for flay/ harvest

[fickle quest]

If I'm using flay then I'm not using harvest tho?
I picked harvest because it costs no mana, has a lot of bleed application and gives me like 200 ward on hit

[vapid belfry]

you are, you use flay to stack the buff from army of skin, then use harvest to benifit from it

[hot ginkgo]

it keeps getting longer

[fickle quest]

But if I am a bleed build, the melee damage doesnt even matter? and I dont super need that much more area tbh

[abstract summit]

I have never heard people complain about that before

[vapid belfry]

true, but if youre struggling especially early monos its definiftly worth it, +78 melee and 100somthing increased area, with ms and as affixes

when you get some gear you can swap to blood of the exile or something

[fickle quest]

How often are enemies moving? I looked at those and they kinda sounded like a trap

feels like most bosses are just static with occasional leaps / teleports

[abstract summit]

You use it for the stats on non bleed builds

[fickle quest]

wat

how is 30% ms and 5-8 attributes worth using over any rare or exalt

[abstract summit]

You literally answered it lol

[fickle quest]

I can find better boots on the floor in 5 minutes

[pearl snow]

There’s a bunch. Flame whip has great single target. Witchfire has great clear speed.

[abstract summit]

Go ahead then

[vapid belfry]

because with lp you can add double ms so you can have 70% ms on your boots, also increased bleed duration for your build

like lp1 with just t7 movespeed is better than any exalted boots

[abstract summit]

No no, they will find a 78% ms exalt within 5 minutes on the ground

[fickle quest]

....so I'm telling you I'm struggling to kill stuff and your answer is get more movement speed. Yeah thanks, very helpful. I know speed is everything once you're strong, but I am not.

[abstract summit]

And you got recommended the best boots for bleed build

[vapid belfry]

right but i also did say use army of skin while leveling early empowered and swap to blood of the exile when you get gear

i think youre underestmating how insane 25% attack speed, move speed, 78 flat melee and 160% increased area is on just boots

and you can drop lp1 really easily

[abstract summit]

Ye I had no flat on my weapons when i switched, boots alone hcan hold the hit version together in early empowereds

[vapid belfry]

like unless you are uber geared out youre better just leveling with a diff build and swapping to bleed when you get some gear

[strong crescent]

is vitality good for Abo necromancer?

[wintry flame]

only parts of it are gone, you can still snapshot a lot

[uneven citrus]

i should have read what reap does before deciding to play it

[astral kettle]

I lose health over time on my Necromancer and intend to stay on low health. Will this also trigger the Revenant summon from Ethereal Revenant?

[thorn grove]

Really? The forum post reads as if all snapshotting is gone, odd. Are they considering snapshotting a bug now?

[wintry flame]

some are bugs, some aren't

like people are snapshotting abom because it's designed that way

you can snapshot skills because they are designed that way

[rancid sedge]

Im struggling finding good exactly to slam

[vapid belfry]

eh not really, you mainly use reap to apply marked for death not for damage or mobility

[calm dome]

got my abom going and now campaign is a breeze

[tough epoch]

are there any leveling acolyte guides other than maxroll? currently trying to get to flay lich spec

[azure dawn]

any bleed warlocks?

[little wigeon]

I ran lich with rip blood bleed dot with aura of decay converted to bleed and it carried me pretty well to lvl 70

[brisk elk]

not double t7 but a big upgrade

[little wigeon]

Sheesh that's a lot of mana

[thorn grove]

How's the rip blood buff, it looks really neat now

[brisk elk]

feels great

[radiant vessel]

thoughts on which one is better for mana stack flay? pretend theres a mana slam in the evolutions end

[thorn grove]

How do you have a legendary with lp

What shenanigans is this

[radiant vessel]

visual bug

[thorn grove]

Oh, okay lol

[pearl scarab]

What are the +2 skill levels getting you

Cause if that’s not vital I’m on team Orian’s eye

[unique epoch]

...

[pearl scarab]

Owie

[unique epoch]

its not even a crit

[radiant vessel]

like 20-40% in more damage mods in each skill or so, really doesnt seem worth it now that I look through them all, especially because orians lets me rock out with my 20% void res

[midnight juniper]

Is don't see this... Is there a setting to activate?

[pearl scarab]

Yeah Orian’s eye is very very strong

[neon vigil]

What's the verdict for mana stack Executioner's Tithe? Before launch it seemed like a lot of people thought that'd be the frontrunner, but I guess there's a cold melee version now that's preferred?

[unique epoch]

it auto show when you dead

[pearl scarab]

@radiant vessel just keep in mind you may need to respec skills anyways based on what nodes the game auto picks to remove points from

[unique epoch]

@charred ridge how do you stay alive with less than 3k hp ?

[radiant vessel]

seen a couple people post 1min ubberoth kills with mana stack, and somebody mentioned a 30 second one

[neon vigil]

huh

[vapid belfry]

mana stack is better at bossing but needs way more gear

[radiant vessel]

yeah thanks lol I absolutely despise how the game removes added skill points

[vapid belfry]

but both are good

[neon vigil]

Ah okay, yeah I'm lacking in gear now. I guess that makes sense, since mana is both a CB multiplier AND a damage multiplier for those CB

[vapid belfry]

nice thing about harvest is you only need 1 (maybe 2) uniques to get going

[charred ridge]

death seal, play smart etc

im planning to have 10k+ ward soon so

you know

[little wigeon]

What's the ward tech 👀

[unique epoch]

you got limited by corrupted form right, or you unspec it

[charred ridge]

ward on traversal experimental (boots)

[little wigeon]

I run around with 1400hp corrupted form lol 😆 just kill them first

[charred ridge]

corrupted form is mostly bait i think unless u want dmg

[thorn grove]

The new low life ward chest seemed actually so cool..... Until I read the abysmally low ward cap it imposes

[pearl scarab]

I wish it would just let me manually pick the ones to lose but at least the auto pick thing is smart enough to avoid critical nodes…. Mostly

[violet ore]

Hey everyone, i have a question about a interaction with the acolyte. There is new node called "corrupted form" in the tree which says "u count always as on low health". How does this work with the gloves called "Mortality's Grasp" which should give u ward when damage leaves you at low health. Does this works when u gets hit with the passive node?

[brisk elk]

yes

[neon vigil]

I doubt it. A hit has to transition you from not Low Life to Low Life, and with Corrupted Form you are always Low Life. Therefore it probably does nothing. You could try it though.

It also has a 5s cooldown

so best case scenario, you're somehow getting ~373 ward every 5 seconds

[charred ridge]

you also need to test that corrupted form isn't bugged

people have reported that it doesn't actually make you low life

[brisk elk]

"when damage leaves you at low life" includes if you were already at low life

lots of effects do stuff like that

idk fi its bugged tho

[unique epoch]

its in your original build link tho

[charred ridge]

you mean the theorycrafted stuff?

cause you know, in theory, the game shouldn't be bugged

[little wigeon]

I felt a dmg spike when I swapped to corrupted form and the low life dmg node

[violet ore]

Mhh sounds logical i will test it thanks for your anwsers 🙂

[charred ridge]

you felt a dmg spike but did you measure it

[vapid belfry]

yeah ive seen people saying CF is bugged but im yet to see proof of it

[little wigeon]

I was killing bosses way faster

That's my measurement the timeline boss

[brisk elk]

like he said, the ward gen is pretty mediocre compared to other stuff lich can get

its not too crazy etiher way

[abstract summit]

yo that's straight up fire

[brisk elk]

i ended up going mg just to avoid having to worry about prophecies and stuff

[abstract summit]

you gonna hate me but imma put that on my 1 LP boots even XD

[brisk elk]

i guess not many people are playing mana stacker because lp3 valeroots are like 150k

[pearl scarab]

Wack

[abstract summit]

arent idols like super expensive tho?

[brisk elk]

probably idk

[pearl scarab]

Idols are always expensive and idols always are ass to farm

[brisk elk]

havent bought any yet im getting my normal gear first

[abstract summit]

ye tbh when there arent any exploits MG is giga nice 😄 i just got burned 2 times in a row so never again

[pearl scarab]

*idols that you actually super want are expensive

[brisk elk]

the thing is, farming idols kinda prints money

[pearl scarab]

Yea

[brisk elk]

even terrible reflect 1x1s are 200k+ rn

[pearl scarab]

Max those tomb and cemetery chances

[charred ridge]

i think i will too initially

[brisk elk]

i plan to do the cemetary of reweaving strat after i get all my blessings

u can literally farm nothing but cemetaries

[charred ridge]

i wanted to get a 1lp before going on vacation for a map showcase but i couldn't hit a havoc

and this stupid game was lying to me on the amount of havocs i had

[brisk elk]

lots of demand for flayers, im imprinting them and rolling for lp3

once i get my own i can sell them for a lot

not just liches but everyone wants them because of the attack speed and more dmg multi

[vapid belfry]

Yeah they feel like a side grade to blood of the exile

[abstract summit]

ye i whiffed on all my havocs too but hey at least i finna got some rune pison echoes lol

[little wigeon]

I wanna see it before I hunt down an experimental lol I got a 2LP army of skin chilling

[abstract summit]

i mean there is no way in hell it aint good

maybe it's not gonna solve all your survival issues in on itself but it's def gonna be good

[little wigeon]

Currently farming 750c and everything explodes lol kill before you get killed. I do run double red ring and null portent tho, save me from one shots

[brisk elk]

make sure you take the rune drop node in the bottom

[strong crescent]

which timeline do i wanna farm as Abo necromancer ??

[vapid belfry]

What do you need?

[abstract summit]

always 💪 even if i cant handle it lol

[vapid belfry]

Asking which timeline to farm is hard without knowing a lot of variables like gear/uniques you want/factions/blessings/etc

[little wigeon]

Since I'm not generating much ward anyways, corrupted form is fine, just use death deal properly

[little wigeon]

I farm all my blessings with a decent roll then I choose one until I max blessing then move on to the next

[strong crescent]

Abo necro gear and the minion dmg blessing

which one drops the minion dmg blessing ?

[vapid belfry]

Use letools build planner to find which blessings you want

[little wigeon]

Minion dmg is spirits of fire

[strong crescent]

ty

is it good to be mega overcapped on resistance ?

like this

[brisk elk]

not unless ur running portent

[pearl snow]

technically its good. But adding to your health pool / ward is probably going to be more consistent

[vapid belfry]

Not really, unless your build needs like acid flask rogue or you're using a unique like null portent

[pearl snow]

Null Portent is an exception as Cao said

[vapid belfry]

Is it still the case that poison is decent to overlap still? Can't remember if poison damage reducing poison rez got removed or not

[thorn grove]

Pen doesn't care about overcap right? And is there any simply subtractive modifier that overcap may help? Like res shred

[lilac bear]

Nope

[abstract summit]

yes? mark of death and shred exactly

not against pen tho

[thorn grove]

I can't really think of any monster sources of pen

[abstract summit]

doesnt mean you should spend extra affixes to overcap, just saying there are some rare mono mods where it could matter

[vapid belfry]

Does pen get based off your capped or uncapped rez?

[thorn grove]

Oh for sure

[abstract summit]

i kinda like pale ox just for the ms speed and the strength lol

and i hate spending affixes on res for portent

[strong crescent]

can i get my minion so much poison resist that it doesnt take any dmg from poison DoT ?

Abo

[vapid belfry]

That's what idols are for

[abstract summit]

funny way to spell MANA

[vapid belfry]

Just roll 36 small weaver Idols of mana +ele Rez

[dark inlet]

mana+health/mana+mana regen 😁

[feral meadow]

anyone elses aura of decay not displaying the psn res in the stat sheet?

[ashen bluff]

this is slappin hard :)

[dark inlet]

curse go brrrr

[ashen bluff]

witchfire going brrrrrr

[pearl snow]

dear god

[pearl snow]

Do you have the node that reduces your poison res per int while its active on top of the node that gives you more res?

[feral meadow]

ah.

got me.

[astral kettle]

1. Does endurance apply to ward as well?

2. I am planning to play necro on low HP and all ward. Is this a good idea?

[pearl snow]

1. No, game guide has the specific interaction laid out.
2. Necro low hp all ward is generally the go to since you only care about your max life and often use block and low life to live so yes if you do it right

Bonus interaction Endurance can be used to amplify the TRex Relic so you may see the % Endurance suffixes on gear for Necros

[astral kettle]

Thanks

[rigid dove]

does the chains of betrayer (and cthonic aurora) chaos bolt nodes work on flay casts

[pearl snow]

It should but the Big Bolt node would be quite a dmg loss as I believe flay only ever procs 1 projectile

at a time

[abstract summit]

@charred ridge holy I actually won this one lol

with my only havoc kekw

beeeeeeg

[radiant vessel]

whats the strat with that? do you take all CDR stuf for reap and spam it?

[abstract summit]

1200 ward at 420 mana, so fing stupid already lmao

ye exactly

on a mana stacker

which im not at the moment but it's already stupid 😄

[strong crescent]

can i get this ring in exalted version?

[abstract summit]

now i only need to figure out where am i getting 3 points for the Reap CDR

it's kinda criminal reaper form is neither int nor dex scaling 😭

ye went up to 4k ward on a boss fight with mere 330% retention and 428 base mana

[dim dust]

anyone can give me guide for fire minion necromancy build?

[calm dome]

Can DoT crit for leech? Cause I am running AoD on Necro with no other leech nodes other than the leech on crit and I can see my health healing(low life ward build)

no healing node on aod either

[charred ridge]

very pog

imagine with 3k mana now

[abstract summit]

tbh you dont even need all the reaper CDR nodes lol

[charred ridge]

yeah flay hits reset the reap cd

reap is just kinda like evade honestly

[abstract summit]

only better lol

[charred ridge]

same range same cd

[abstract summit]

might just use the orian belt with it instead of brewmaster for 40 more ward retention, going all in on retaining this metric fton seems like worth

[fluid bane]

yo the Maxroll Harvest Flay build - why use Twisted Heart? You're not casting anything so you're not getting any benefit?

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/harvest-lich-guide

[charred ridge]

reap loses its traversal tag if you spec the "doesn't share cd with other traversal" right?

[abstract summit]

no but why would you want 200% more CD

[hot ginkgo]

expand dong, i cant let this go til i sleep

[charred ridge]

that adds cd?

[abstract summit]

oh ye

[charred ridge]

i thought it didn't

[charred ridge]

i think i will spec it then

cus transplant is so good

you can alternate reap and transplant

if they both have the traversal tag you're getting the ward

[abstract summit]

I guess 200% more on 1.6 is 3s

[charred ridge]

in terms of ward gen it's probably the same as only using reap and no transplant

[abstract summit]

ish

okay, but hear me out

[charred ridge]

but transplant goes through walls so it's cool

[abstract summit]

Reap has scythes

Transplant is lame

[charred ridge]

lmao

nah I'll use both for sure

love transplant too much

[abstract summit]

you are really dead set on making this a 6 button build lmao

[charred ridge]

im already using 6 buttons

[vapid kindle]

transplant, smoke bomb and teleport are the pinnacle of movement skills that feel good to use

[abstract summit]

lots of health, lots of armor %

[charred ridge]

might not use evade after nihilis though

[abstract summit]

stat stick

[calm dome]

flay has the reap cdr reduction node. Thematically, flying around with traversal flay and reap around would be cool but idk how good it actually would be

[charred ridge]

nihilis is so bad for your ward if you use evade

[fluid bane]

feel like i could get that added to something more useful idk

[abstract summit]

a T7 STR and a T7 health % roll on an exalted relic? 🙂

that said relic slot is wide open, whatever your heart desires

[fluid bane]

mk just was questioning its usefulness

[abstract summit]

it's purely a defensive choice really

for defense it is the best stat stick tho

[vapid kindle]

and 1lp twisty is easy to get and you just slam it with one good affix and get super high value

[abstract summit]

maxroll guide writer tend to release their guides with appropriate defensive setups so people dont come back every minute with "yo im dying at 250 corr this build suuuuccckkkzzzzz"

[charred ridge]

building defense is cringe

if your defensive layer uses more than 1 affix tbh it's too much investment

[abstract summit]

lmao

go back to the beach Noobz

[pearl snow]

Dude plays with no suffixes

[charred ridge]

it's 11pm im bouta shower and ""sleep""

[charred ridge]

its true though

2lp is easy but 3lp is hard

[abstract summit]

italy or greece? 😄

[charred ridge]

you get 2 affixes per item you can bet im not slamming suffixes

france lol

[abstract summit]

clooose

[charred ridge]

yeah italy was border

[wild anvil]

Does anyone have any good guidelines for doing lowlife drain + ward defenses? I'm at about 1k decay and 207% retention - idling at about 5k ward. Not sure what #s to be shooting for basically

[radiant vessel]

Lowkey my favorite part of this build, I feel like everything I play in LE is 2 buttons, 3 tops

Needed me a build for old mmo player button pushing fiends

[pearl snow]

5k should get you through basically everything providing you already have the basic defense layers. I.e res cap and crit cap

Without any new Uniques etc. the average we all knew leading up to this season was 5k =pretty good ward pool.

[charred ridge]

yeee i feel that lol

10 years ago when i really got into MMOs my main class had 12 buttons from 3 to 8 seconds cd that you had to rotate through just for your dmg

[pearl snow]

Ward being around 2x your life is good. In general and min maxing you could prob 3x it

[charred ridge]

it was the most fun I've ever had in a game

it also had animation cancelling stuff to minmax your aspd that was so fun

it's like rhythm game in my rpg

[wild anvil]

Awesome, thanks! Yeah, definitely res capped, working on crit (89% currently). Harbingers seem sketch but maps are incredibly smooth w Ambitions relic.

I guess I'm more or less confused on what stats to prioritize in the drain setup, since more life pool = more ward/s but balancing decay and retention seems important as well. I'm only at about 1.8k max health - general clearing is very smooth up to 200cc currently but harbingers have been a bit sketch.

[pearl snow]

You prioritize a mix of hp pool and getting T5+ of your missing health as ward. I think at the moment you can get that on gloves boots and chest. Mixture of uniques can help

Your relic is only good ward gen in monos so that may be a big impact for your health

Without seeing your gear, 1.8k health can be improved by a lot. Hybrid life, sealing off low tiers of either health / decay or even res to put higher tiers of health on etc.

You probably have a lot of min maxing to do

Never forget you can technically include block or dodge into the setups now with minimal investment to smooth out things too

Depending on your build that Seed helmet is also really good

[tender ridge]

@wintry flame did you try frostbite minions yet or not bother?

[crisp ridge]

Hiw goes ur new cycle @pearl snow ?

[pearl snow]

My first idea is so scuffed I’m struggling in basic empowered monos

I just finished the planner for a better version that should be easy to swap so so we shall see

[crisp ridge]

dw im struggling too xd

[pearl snow]

I did spell flay poison but its just too slow

[crisp ridge]

died a lot trying to kill my 2nd harbinger lmao

[pearl snow]

I did some testing and even with mad alchemist ladel its not enough cast speed to do anything so I’ll swap some points around and stop doing spell

Lol

[strong crescent]

does this include my minions?

[pearl snow]

But if my math is right my new setup should hard carry me

[wild anvil]

Crossing my fingers for a t6 experimental %life as ward for gloves. Having to use the new flay boots so cant use last steps unfortunately, might hurt longterm but I'm trucking along for now

[crisp ridge]

seeing a build come together is honestly a massively fun part of the game

[old hull]

Yes

[pearl snow]

Fair, honestly that primordial chest for missing life may be a huge boon

If you dont have

Might be worth playing around with

[pearl snow]

Thats why I play this whenever poe1 isnt around

I have kitchen cooking addiction

[wild anvil]

I got it but I found the max % health cap for ward seems low for my current setup. Currently just rocking exsang

[crisp ridge]

ive mever been able to get into poe ngl

[pearl snow]

Makes sense

Oh right its % of total max hp lmao

Future idea

[wild anvil]

It basically seems like a butt load more ward/s but way less actual ward pool

[past charm]

Boiz in what way the flicker lich is better on mana stacking ?

[crisp ridge]

both me and my maye agree that the most fun part of the game is theorycrafting a build on le tools lmao

[pearl snow]

Agreed lmao

[charred ridge]

in dmg

[pearl snow]

Thats also why I like PoB for Poe same vibes but Poe is playing Capitalist Arpg so

[pulsar raven]

its better than you think though I think, true 1 shots arent common in this game

[abstract summit]

even with 2k max life thats almost 5k max ward almost always up, iwould say that's prettttyyy good with the current ward formula

[wild anvil]

Seems like you'd prioritize +Health way more in that setup and currently im all in on ward decay and retention, might have to pivot and play with it

[abstract summit]

like you ward gonna decay like crazy no matter what over 5k

[pearl snow]

Wym?

[pearl snow]

There is a point where threshold and retention become less valuable. There isn’t a good rule of them but

At some point generation is going to be way better because you come back to full health after a hit faster yada yada

[past charm]

Like I saw a version where he doesn’t use the dagger from the league and instead of that he uses a axe I don’t remember the name

So just spam flay on mana stacking ?

[pearl snow]

So you can dual wield. If you are going for crit then you mana stack

[past charm]

Mmmm