💀┃acolyte

[pallid plume]

Yeah but it's basically from unique. That give like 60% effect to different sized idols

[drifting mantle]

had no idea there was a unique like that lol

[hallow blaze]

Anyone happen to have a guide for a Chaos Bolt Mana Stack Flay Lich? I'm not really smart enough to make it on my own but I can see the pieces fitting together.

[urban wraith]

pretty sure it's primal gear

[drifting mantle]

now I'm wondering whether to go rogue or warrior skeletons for atk or speed

[little wigeon]

T7 mana everywhere, double mana idols and the primordial for 60% idol effect lol

[drifting mantle]

it's either attack way faster or go all in on the double strike dmg

[honest magnet]

Too bad, I liked it (it's not their fault obviously), it's my vision of build

but thanks and good game

[pallid plume]

Yeah lich is really tanky currently. However that's from using reaper form + seal and being able to get like 10% of dmg leech and crazy ward ontop of that.

[brisk valley]

I'm a Lich noob. Why is the Maxroll guide using Twisted Heart for the Flay build?

[urban wraith]

Yeah I'm planning both for my build, although just offense buffs in reaper (and the heal on kill)

[little wigeon]

twisted heart is just a stat stick for most things

just like they put that brewmaster belt in like every build, another stat stick

[strong crescent]

i feel skeleton mages are just to weak in endgame corruption monos, hmm...

[pallid plume]

Mages or mage ?

People never really pushed corrupted on anything other than single giga buff minion setup

Where you have 1 immortal minion and 3 support / buff skills

[old hull]

I think people have pushed corruption decently with poison rogues

[pallid plume]

Yeah poison zoo is doing some stuff

[strong crescent]

i got 5 necrotic skeleton mages atm

[pallid plume]

What's your actual setup ?

What else are you running and what corruption

[strong crescent]

skeletons and wraith are for abo

[pallid plume]

If you want mages to stay alive you sort of want to keep them range and run a Golem to get aggro

[strong crescent]

i use mages for dmg, teleport traversal and to bomb skellies

[pallid plume]

Wait so are you playing abom ?

[strong crescent]

y i use it

[pallid plume]

This is a very confusing setup

So you won't have any mages anyway

Cos abom consumes them right ?

[strong crescent]

no

i keep my mages

he eats wraitsh and skeletons

[pallid plume]

Ahh so your abomination is like quite weak since you only run 2 types for it to consume

[strong crescent]

it feels strong still

[pallid plume]

I mean abomination is strong

But like if you run all 4 types you can give him 60% movement and attack speed ontop of what you already see

This setup looks like max roll necro leveling guide.

Where you just fully clear with skeleton / wraths / mages and then drop abomination just to kill boss

[drifting mantle]

how does the abom 20 minions limit work? does it eat everything but only counts the first/last 20

[strong crescent]

do u think letting him eat 4 types of minions is better than using dread shade on him ?

[drifting mantle]

if it works last 20 then the resummoning skellies might mess things up

[pallid plume]

No. You can do both.

You can have 4 types + dread shade + aura of decay + bone curse

[drifting mantle]

do both

[pallid plume]

Abomination is the strongest and also most jank minion in the game

[strong crescent]

how? i can only have 5 skills on my bar

[pallid plume]

You can swap the skills on your bar

[strong crescent]

but doesnt that desummon him ?

[pallid plume]

Nope

[strong crescent]

lol

[pallid plume]

Only de summon if you change things like minion count

[drifting mantle]

dont swap out abom

swap out the ones it eats

[urban wraith]

That seems like so much work lol - glad I wasn't planning on doing minions

[pallid plume]

Removing it from bar does not effect minion count

[strong crescent]

yeye makes sense

ty lol

[pallid plume]

So you also don't need to run any skill tree for mages as you just replace them with transplant

Or tree for wraith

[strong crescent]

what does transplant do for me, i need some survival skill

[rancid sedge]

hows the mana stacking going

[pallid plume]

Transplant is a movement skill

[pallid plume]

The whole thing about abomination is that you do soo much dmg you just go full defence mode with 100% chance to block and go for 5k hp

Then items that convert hp to ward and get 10k ward

[strong crescent]

block? so i cant use my golden yikes

[pallid plume]

Not really if you want to go block

[strong crescent]

right now i specced abo into Necrotric with wraiths

[pallid plume]

With a full defence setup abomination still does 20 million dmg per hit

[pallid plume]

Yeah don't do that. It makes it harder to scale.

The new aura of decay can give you over 100% physical pen for minions

[strong crescent]

can u link a guide for it?

[pallid plume]

What level are you ?

Cos you sort of want to be lv70 before going abomination mode

[strong crescent]

86

[pallid plume]

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/abomination-necromancer-guide

Yeah that's probably fine to swap into full abom

With this setup he will be moving faster, attacking faster and also doing like 3x the dmg. Maybe even more since he always crits

A single melee hit should kill a pack

[inland seal]

Oo what corruption are you at? I'm amassing T6/T7 mana rolls

[strong crescent]

he already is 😄

[obtuse totem]

ive literally just started empowered monos hah

[pallid plume]

Yeah but hells also be attacking 2x as fast

[strong crescent]

i wonder how he got this roll

[inland seal]

Ahhh haha. I'll try it tomorrow. I think i got most of the bits (axe, etc)

[brisk valley]

Does Harrowing Blade still work if I convert Harvest to cold?

[pallid plume]

Just look at starter gear for now. Endgame is for when your lv100

[obtuse totem]

highly recommend

its incredibly satisfying

people are saying its real strong at higher gear, im having more fun now than i have before in last epoch

[strong crescent]

yeye, but do u think a normal summoner build is able to push endgame ?
like using golems, mages and wraiths and stuff ?

[urban wraith]

Has anyone tried Flay Harvest with the boots and Death's Embrace yet?

[pallid plume]

Not really.

Abomination with a full setup is soo strong there is no other viable option to get that level of power.

A mass minions style works fine until maybe 300 corruption at most. Abomination people doing over 1k corruption

The main issue with zoo mass minions is that your spending 70% of your time standing still to re summon your minions that keep dying

[strong crescent]

what do u suggest i put in here to help me farm gear for the build?

[pallid plume]

Sort of anything you want really.

[strong crescent]

they didnt die on corr 100 though, but ye i guess they prolly do on higher

[willow current]

Suffering from not getting the flay boots yet oof

[pallid plume]

I assume skeletons ect will die.

Also the way corruption works it scales really hard. It's not like 200c is double or 100c

[pallid plume]

You could technically do something like

• ranged mages
• ranged Skelton
• ranged wraiths
• dread shade for buffing them
• golem to draw aggro.

But your dmg is also less than abomination with that full zoo setup

Abomination is like clearly the strongest minion but also made the most jank thing due to how you summon it.

[strong crescent]

ye, ill try to spec into sometihng like the guide, ty

i cant put points into Lich atm

is that cuz i already extra points into warlock ?

[urban wraith]

you should be able to put points up to halfway into the non-specced trees

[pallid plume]

What you taking in warlock ? The ailment chance stuff ?

You don't really use that unless you play flame minions

[strong crescent]

ye specced out of warlock now, hehe.

btw do i want 3 points in this?

i guess i dont want the phys to be throwing phys ?

[pallid plume]

It's just cos movement speed is nice and some dmg. Don't carry about the throwing dmg so 2 is fine.

[strong crescent]

but the guide takes 5 points in this, and if it converts phys dmg to throwing dmg i guess thats bad ?

[pallid plume]

Yeah that guide is more like a concept idea and not something you fully follow.

The person who made the guide has not played abomination at all this league

But played it in season 2

You also don't want the vanguard node

Since when abomination consumes vanguard it counts towards consume cap but don't give any bonus like skeletons do

[strong crescent]

ye so i want it to consume as many skeletons as possible, and then just 1 golem, 1 wraith and 1 mage ?

[pallid plume]

Yup

You only care about 1 of those for the unique buff

[strong crescent]

is there a way to check how many of what it consumed etc. ?

[pallid plume]

Then skeletons give buff per one consumed

Nope

You gotta count and figure it out

WARNING ABOMINATION IS VERY JANK AND STUPID.

[strong crescent]

^^

[pallid plume]

Also whenever you get a shrine or change passive or skill tree it dies and you do the whole process to summon it all over again

Welcome to abomination in season 3

Extra jank

[sand minnow]

anyone have a high end bleed aura of decay build? kinda what dread is playing but an aspirational planner instead of his current toon

[round stag]

are you on about aaron arpg golemancer?

[strong crescent]

no, making abo

now i gotta figure out if i want Transplant or Bone curse

[round stag]

yeah his build makes abo

[molten bramble]

on LETools I go from 2% dodge to 12% dodge for 4 points invested

[round stag]

if you do the soul reave then your damage becomes necrotic not phys

[radiant vessel]

Just got done playing with abom for the season, and luckily it never despawned off a shrine but every new skill point did, and the 5% hp damage taken node somehow massively outpaced his regen. The aggressive Ai sucks for one big guy too

[strong crescent]

thats basically what i just specced away from 😄

[radiant vessel]

It worked really well for a whole zoo but when it was just the abom and t-rex it felt worse than the defensive mode

[pallid plume]

I mean do you wanna go fast or do more dmg

[round stag]

you both just focusing on abom and no other minions?

[strong crescent]

i wanna stay alive

[round stag]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Bglye4do

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (21) / Necromancer (92)

General:

▸ Health: 4,911, Regen: 850.86/s
▸ Mana: 205.51, Regen: 11.36/s
▸ Ward Retention: 158%, Regen: 137/s
▸ Attributes: 4 Str / 14 Dex / 59 Int / 4 Att / 20 Vit
▸ Resistances: 56% / 58% / 38% / 56% / 54% / 146% / 56%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 43%, Threshold: 1,178
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (56)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 38% (2,101)

Used skills:

Summon Skeletal Mage / Assemble Abomination / Summon Bone Golem / Dread Shade / Summon Volatile Zombie

[pallid plume]

Necromancer does not have any skills for that

[round stag]

this uses abom and a bunch of other minions

[pallid plume]

Yeah the normal setup you JUST use abomination and don't care about other minions

[strong crescent]

i just came from a build like that ^^ but my other minions felt weak or at leaast the mages did, so trying full abo now instead.

[round stag]

mages on this build are whats used in abom only

[pallid plume]

But people are testing other stuff

Which is weaker but sort of still works to an extent

[round stag]

you get 1 abom, 3 golems 3 vanguards and 6 zombies upon casting

[pallid plume]

Oww no that's terrible

Abomination wants to consume all le minions to get stronger

[round stag]

its an added minion not the focus

thats why its called golemancer

not abomomancer lol

[pallid plume]

I mean then just don't even use abomination

Run wraiths at that point

[radiant vessel]

Yeah that's the build I started out playing and it was way more fun and cozy than pure abom, but I started hitting a wall on harbingers

I was just doing yolo stuff tho, that looks a lot better than what I had

[round stag]

melee speed aura from just being alive for the golems

only thing im confused about though is that he took the "reap the damned" node but doesnt uses wraiths it uses skeleton mages

[abstract summit]

threshold is at 3. I guess i may have more vit in aco now, but wtih 110 int and 30 vit im at 16%

[strong crescent]

i see the Abo guides takes 5/5 points in this one, does the Abo rly benefit from that?

[charred ridge]

think 4th point is the pre requisite on the left

[molten bramble]

yeah can be worth if you have some vit. Woven just solves crit issue and you are scaling defense though life since relic + corrupted form + Seed means that almost your whole hp pool is applied by endurance. Issue is it is hard to solve for crit avoid and getting 180 stats for red ring and have endurance cap. Balancing all 3 is difficult. I am only able to make my setup work because I found a double T7 int/str font ring and I am using the 20 int belt.

[earnest lichen]

holy

[abstract summit]

ye i agree tho you are either throwing away HP on boots and belt or chest, or DR from a better chest. we def not throwing away mana and atk speed on gloves/helm
this is why i will just slam a blind on my weapon, i think it's gonna work just fine and then i still get to keep my chest slot

[molten bramble]

which chest are you using? Pale ox? or Null Portent?

[abstract summit]

dont think i will have enough res for portent. the auto summoned skellies could be fine for ox
but i will experiment with some low life death seal tech as well so gonna test exsang / architect

i just barely made it to empowereds lol, still need the axe

[molten bramble]

Issue with ox is that I think you are missing out on a pretty big dmg multiplier in marrow shards

[abstract summit]

i couldnt give less of a f about marrow shards lol

we running death seal

[brisk valley]

Is 4/4 in Mistress of Decay worth it? I'm new to lich, and it feels like I'm dropping out on boss fights.

[charred ridge]

what's that again?

[molten bramble]

Marrow shards is probably 40% more damage on single target

Like actually insane and noticeable

[brisk valley]

Reaper Form talent.

[molten bramble]

the amount of multipliers on the skill is kinda crazy

[abstract summit]

you would think so

[molten bramble]

even with low flat it does a crap ton of dmg

[abstract summit]

4 marrow shard a sec does nothing

[willow current]

Did yall just get lucky on flay boots?

[charred ridge]

you'll drop out of reaper form no matter what happens so no i don't think it's worth it but you can take it if it makes you feel better

you'll do a bit less dmg but dmg is plentiful anyway

[vapid belfry]

does anyone have a link to this mana flay lich ive been hearing about please?

[charred ridge]

did you spreadsheet it?

[molten bramble]

Not sure but there is a huge dmg diff when I am killing uberoth with vs without marrow

it is very noticable

[charred ridge]

don't need death seal for uber anyway so you can skill swap

[molten bramble]

I think it is more than just one hit and getting more with bone splinters

I am not even sure

[charred ridge]

i just feel like seal is too good in maps though but if you outgear 1k corr you can definitely use whichever one

[pallid plume]

Yeah cos they probably have no idea what they are doing.

10% attack speed is nothing. On the passive tree 5% is 1 passive. So this buff is the same as 2 passive points.

[abstract summit]

i mean i only did the calc on the mourningfrost setup but it was literally f all even with all the flat

dont see it doing anything unless it's bugged and shotguns

[molten bramble]

I just know the skill has like 5 more multiplers that multiply with the mana multipler in flay

[charred ridge]

did you take into account the flay multiplier per max mana

[round stag]

their same golemancer all the other seasons ive got to 500-800c so they have to know something

[charred ridge]

since that applies to all spells proced by flay not just CB

[molten bramble]

All I have to say is try marrow shards then never go back because the damage gain is that large

[abstract summit]

it was like 100k a cast with 200 flat lol

did count with it ofc

[molten bramble]

not sure if bug or shotguns

but it is alot of dmg

[pallid plume]

I mean that's just gearing.

PSA ABOMINATION IS THE STRONGEST NECROMANCER BUILD FOR NECROMANCER. ABOMINATION IS ALSO INCREDIBLY JANK AND SUDO UNPLAYABLE IN MY OPINION SO PEOPLE TRY TO AVOID ACTUALLY PLAYING IT.

[charred ridge]

sudo

[round stag]

pseudo*

[abstract summit]

did altho at the time we were def counting with less mana

[pallid plume]

Yeah. Like I played the build but man was it terrible playstyle.

[abstract summit]

but like, lets 10x ma stuff, 1M a cast. 4 casts
sure 4M on 10M is a lot, on 90 not rly

[charred ridge]

I'll try marrow shards when i get back home

[deep ginkgo]

Just logged back on now my abomination is getting melted

[charred ridge]

im pretty curious

[pallid plume]

If you want to play abomination just go play bear at this stage.

Bear is far easier to run and also does more dmg. currently

[abstract summit]

but ye i believe ya, needs to frame by frame some tests on dummy to see what's hapenning

prob easier to test with disabled CBs lol

[molten bramble]

I had the same feeling about morrow shards when theory crafting but just trying it on a single target boss was crazy

[abstract summit]

you speeced with no piece, disabled splinters?

[charred ridge]

it for sure won't be needed anyway when super geared unless pushing 10k corruption

but it's interesting for prog

[molten bramble]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/B4yDKw6o

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (83) / Warlock (10)

General:

▸ Health: 4,230, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 1,600.65, Regen: 20.56/s
▸ Ward Retention: 212%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 17 Str / 9 Dex / 106 Int / 17 Att / 10 Vit
▸ Resistances: 54% / 54% / 54% / 85% / 85% / 97% / 57%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 57%, Threshold: 1,751
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (42)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 29% (1,396)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 100%

Used skills:

Marrow Shards / Flay / Chaos Bolts / Reaper Form / Harvest

[abstract summit]

you are on some high grade copium my man if you think a no evasion build will jsut push to 10k 😄

[charred ridge]

ES VK did last season

[abstract summit]

ES VK is ranged kek

[charred ridge]

true

we'll see

[south nexus]

Hi guys! I've reinstalled LE after a long stop....i have a lich build with aod+wandering spirit+drain life all poison, farming 450c but dps on bosses is terrible...damn, poison lich is still meh? :/

[charred ridge]

also i heard we have 16% evasion 😏

death seal is fking broken tho fr so maybe you can actually use that to push

playing carefully

[left whale]

Just reached cor 200 with minion explosion build

[charred ridge]

it's extremely good now that you have ward while sealed especially since aaaall that 15k ward gets the death seal DR

[molten bramble]

You dont even have to map to push corruption just bossing

[strong crescent]

a movement skill, is that evade too?

[charred ridge]

ye i hate that EHG did that honestly

[molten bramble]

well 1 map ever so often

[charred ridge]

i stopped pushing corruption as soon as they implemented the orobyss ketchup

it's like what's the point if you don't even map

[molten bramble]

but you can just take the map slowly moving forward only with death deal cooldown

[charred ridge]

ye absolutely

I'll give it a shot

haven't pushed c since 1.1 but i think this build is actually interesting enough to make me wanna do it

[molten bramble]

mapping with it is so fun flying mobs

[charred ridge]

yeah im in love with the build

and it's a really active and engaging playstyle depending how you build it defensively

or don't build it

it's a change of pace from the 1 button builds

[molten bramble]

Yeah super flexible tons of choices and build can really depend on items you get to drop or lucky slams can completely change the setups

[charred ridge]

i had no ward after replacing my boneclamor with ekkidrasil so i slapped t7 ward on kill (gloves experimental) and that's enough to get 2k ward kekw

[deep ginkgo]

It’s frustrating, my abomination build was running so smoothly, now it’s just insta melted

[molten bramble]

font feels insane for ward gen

since we hit so many times lol

[willow current]

Yall talking about flay makes me wanna dive into it but i don’t have any of the uniques

[molten bramble]

You really only need the axe to get started at 70

[charred ridge]

ye it's really a corrupted form item though, i think I'm rather planning to try and see if i can get 15-20k ward with boots traversal

[willow current]

oh exec tithe?

[molten bramble]

Go for it. The enticement of corrupted for are all those damage nodes in the passive tree and reaper tree as well as a bonus from lich mastery passive

[charred ridge]

yeah being low life is def good for the dmg

[molten bramble]

after looking at it I found it hard to give up all that dmg and get the survivablity with uncapped ward

[charred ridge]

though somebody said corrupted form is bugged and doesn't actually make you low life

so i would test that on dummies

[proud pilot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyobBrs9WcA

[molten bramble]

not to mention all of our item choices relic/seed push endurance threshold pretty high

[charred ridge]

could just be a tooltip bug but apparently tooltips say you lose your increased damage above 35% hp

[charred ridge]

ye absolutely but ill try a couple things and see what i like best

[real turret]

any build can do 10k corr mono

gl tanking orobyss tho

[molten bramble]

I mean even if low life is 35% corrupted form should overwrite it if it is not bugged since it says "always count as low life"

[proud pilot]

you cant lmao 😄

[charred ridge]

yeah that's what I'm saying

somebody reported that it's bugged

and you don't count as low life above 35 even with corrupted form

but the only way to know for sure is to test it

[real turret]

@charred ridge would u swap any items for the boot ward tech

[charred ridge]

nah the whole point is that it allows you to not have to invest a bunch of gear or affix slots into hp

just slap it on and you're g2g

there's some caveats though

[real turret]

ye i already swapped

like 7k ward on current gear

[charred ridge]

for example if you harvest 3 rares at the same time you go from 0 mana to full mana and lose your ward gen so it could be a bit annoying sometimes

two solutions to that

[proud pilot]

the biggest problem with ward gen is just that it is so goddang slow imo

[charred ridge]

either swap to transient rest so you're still generating ward no matter what mana you're at (preferably you still wanna be low mana but it won't be a strict requirement)

or use exsang

[proud pilot]

even if you push 25k ward with all the health to ward items the rate at which you gain ward is just so dang slow

[charred ridge]

or just play good that also works

[proud pilot]

compared to leech that is

yeah, but its like in real life: we replace the manual labour with cool tech x)

[charred ridge]

nah we're talking 5k ward per second here

[proud pilot]

yeah, thats nothing.

you can tank U-Abarroth slams with leech and a decent hp pool

you cant with ward - not even close

[charred ridge]

it wouldn't be for uber but yeah maybe iuno

[proud pilot]

like - our damage (hits for 5mio+) generates such stupid high amounts of leech (like, 100k+ per second) that we are essentially invulnerable to anything that cant one-tap us

[charred ridge]

well the point of ward is to not get one tapped

[proud pilot]

exactly! but you also need to be able to recover it quickly enough for the big ward pool to matter. Which is where the problem is

[charred ridge]

i think that's fine if you just don't stand in one shots the whole time

[willow current]

do you guys have a specific filter for the flay build going around?

[proud pilot]

at higher corruption most rares are one-shotting monsters

[charred ridge]

and for uber puddles i mean i wouldn't stand in those, they give frailty stacks. but if you did it's not like just because you have ward you don't have hp sustain

[proud pilot]

I guess we could (ab)use the bulwark of the last abyss for 100%block - use phys decay aura for fat flat % reduction to phys dmg and use the new primal amulet to convert all incoming poison necro and void dmg to phys... and couple that with 20k ward

[charred ridge]

as you said you have a massive amount of leech so you can still stand in there with your 2.5k-3k hp

is that the fall of the empire shield?

[proud pilot]

if you leech caps your hp you loose all your ward gen. so we would need to run the leech doesnt heal you node

[charred ridge]

or which one is that

[charred ridge]

sounds cool but i don't love losing dmg

oh ye it is

[proud pilot]

we dont care about the abilities of it - but it has baseline 55% block - and with a t7 roll on it we would get 82%

so we can cover the rest with ring, hand and blessing to get to 100%

only way to do it afaik without class specific abilities

[charred ridge]

sounds like way too much investment

but worth mentioning

[little wigeon]

was there any consensus on the best 2nd weapon prefix for mana flay? crit/mel spd/mana?

[proud pilot]

well, pends on what you want to get out of your ward

[cyan ledge]

I will save and treasure it

[proud pilot]

i think going corrupted form otherwise is just better

[charred ridge]

nothing beats using the spreadsheet

[little wigeon]

lmao 🙁

i figured you guys figured it out already

[proud pilot]

it changes based on the rest of your gear setup.

[charred ridge]

u can slam aspd or multi

but i would spreadsheet the mana just to make sure

[proud pilot]

typcially attack speed is the most value - since there are not a lot of sources for it

[charred ridge]

cause i didn't spreadsheet that cus usually mana on weapon is bad

[proud pilot]

but you should really math it out

[charred ridge]

but who knows, mana scales really well on that build so

[little wigeon]

cmon guys its been like 3 days and no one has done it haha

[charred ridge]

maybe math proves me wrong

3 days i mean try 10

i weighed multi vs aspd

they are the same on optimal setup

you go 1 aspd 1 multi

[proud pilot]

@charred ridge btw - did uAberroth on phys flay

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNT0XqK_rcg

[charred ridge]

but it's also down to preference

[proud pilot]

its probably heaps less dmg then the manaflay nonsense x)

do you have a video of that?

[little wigeon]

hmm ok thanks

[charred ridge]

the 2nd aspd slam is 2% less dmg than multi but hey you go faster so

what's 2% compared to going faster right?

[charred ridge]

Nah had to go on vacation

[molten bramble]

all are probably relatively close, I will say if you do not have a source of armor shred you will get the most damage out of that on a weapon affix

[charred ridge]

couldn't get uber down in 36 hours cause im a noob

[little wigeon]

went speed

[proud pilot]

just play legacy like me and get yelled at for not being pro enough

[charred ridge]

lol

[little wigeon]

surely this will hit on lp3 traitors

[willow current]

is phys flay the maxroll guide that was taken down?

[proud pilot]

no, that was a cold one i think.

but i might have been the reason for that x) if there will be a phys version coming up soon you know why lmao

[charred ridge]

Naaaah bro standing in the void in the opener hurts to watch 😂 like 8 frailty stacks

but looks cool

[proud pilot]

dude i was recording past midnight x)

[willow current]

fair. I am kinda waiting on a guide for flay because of the amount of different versions from the looks of it

[molten bramble]

I went speed too, but not out of choice it was just how the item rolled

[charred ridge]

i have a leech (frenzy) belt theorycraft somewhere

if you wanna try it

[little wigeon]

i had open prefix which is why i asked lol but nice!

[charred ridge]

absolute zhp build but it's 20mil uber dps

for flay i mean ofc

[proud pilot]

oh, sure! if it hasnt too crazy gear requirements i could give it a shot. I have most stuff lying about at lp3+

[abstract summit]

If you dont have armor shred, it is always the answer

Nothing else gives 50% more dam

[charred ridge]

the build is in the spreadsheet that should be pinned in the sentinel channel

it can almost definitely be minmaxed more

[little wigeon]

welp didnt matter lmao 😢

[charred ridge]

i don't even remember what element im going in that build

i might be going cold but forgot to put on throne of ambition or smth i don't remember lol

[proud pilot]

oh no x)

i cant seem to find it 🙁 the spreadsheet link is not there

[charred ridge]

rip it got unpinned

[proud pilot]

the travesty

[charred ridge]

im too lazy I'll bring it back when im hone

home

[radiant vessel]

do you ever press reap as flay lich if you have transplant on ur bar?

[charred ridge]

need to take a second look at the build anyway

[molten bramble]

always transplant

[limpid mural]

If Flays damage is converted, does that include blood Eruption?

[proud pilot]

all the time. you need flay for stacks and reap for bonearmor/frenzy

[molten bramble]

You can go through walls and such reap is such a crappy movement skill

[charred ridge]

@real turret btw speaking of, you using transplant or reap with that boot affix?

cus you definitely supposed to use reap mostly rofl

with the cdr nodes

[real turret]

reap

ye

[proud pilot]

mostly just reap every 5-6 seconds

on bosses that is - otherwise you hold reap down and go afk

or out of mana, pending

[charred ridge]

lmk jess how it works out for you compared to other setups

im curious

[willow current]

i assume everyone specializes the same 3 to 4 skills for the flay build then depending on the movement skill you use but whats the 5th one?

[charred ridge]

death seal or marrow shards

[molten bramble]

I normally have reaper form, harvest, transplant, flay and death seal

but transplant and death seal are unspec'd

[charred ridge]

or rip blood 💀 but i don't see what that does

[abstract summit]

F all

[molten bramble]

Spec'd I have CB, Flay, Reaper Form, Marrow Shards, Harvest

[abstract summit]

I get more ward from both spirit plague and t5 gloves affix than fully specced rip with 120 int

[willow current]

i see ok. hm imma wait till i get tithe and the boots to respec to flay lich. i should probably start looking for t6+ mana gear now.

[molten bramble]

I really thought it would gen more ward being aoe but the nerfs to base gen were pretty large, I was just wrong.

[charred ridge]

i need flay to proc spirit plague tbh

that sounds so sick

[molten bramble]

There is the node to make harvest spread it

[willow current]

I'm just looking at https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Bglvpqko so I probably would just not worry about rip blood in this one than

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (83) / Warlock (10)

General:

▸ Health: 2,235, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 1,626.58, Regen: 21.04/s
▸ Ward Retention: 196%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 15 Str / 5 Dex / 98 Int / 5 Att / 6 Vit
▸ Resistances: 21% / 21% / 21% / 29% / 29% / 70% / 35%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 33%, Threshold: 772
▸ Dodge Chance: 1% (20)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 30% (1,434)

Used skills:

Rip Blood / Flay / Chaos Bolts / Reaper Form / Harvest

[charred ridge]

yeah but spread isn't good enough cause it means i still have to press it :/

[molten bramble]

I would recommend replacing rip blood with marrow and spec'd flay to use marrow aswell

[charred ridge]

im a huge spec'ed seal enjoyer but seal isn't useful on bosses

if you have enough dmg anyway

[abstract summit]

With all my hate towards marrow it def does more than rip blood even on paper wo any ppssible shenanigans lol

[proud pilot]

its alright as a shred tool if you go cold flay

[charred ridge]

then again if you have enough dmg then more dmg also isn't doing anything so it just depends on your current gear and preference

[charred ridge]

i was moreso talking about all the defensive nodes but that's good to know

[steady plank]

abom ai is so teets lol half my deaths are from it running in circles not attacking even tho its got like 300% ms and can p much teleport to any mob

[abstract summit]

I would bet money on it that if marrow feels good it's because the rebound also hits in single target

[charred ridge]

I've never looked at the marrow tree in my life so I'll have some reading to do when i come back

[deep ginkgo]

I think abomination is bugged rn, only thing that explains what’s happening with my build outta nowhere

[willow current]

I see

[charred ridge]

but im always happy to get familiar with more skills as long as they aren't minion tagged

[abstract summit]

It's mkre about how auto targeting works when you cast it from flay. Even Mike said the "another target" part is kinda funky

So wouldn't be surprised if it accidentally shotguns with certain talent choices

[charred ridge]

btw any of y'all despise the dinosaur minion from the evo amulet?

bro just keeps jump scaring me

[abstract summit]

Wdym i love it

Visual clarity is overrated

[charred ridge]

bro i keep thinking it's a mob i need minions out of the game asap

[molten bramble]

The main reason why I sprinted to aberoth to pick up a nihilis

[charred ridge]

i feel that so hard

[molten bramble]

the ground effects are crazy I am not sure if I am standing in bad or not

[charred ridge]

i would be so mad if i ended up randomly getting a good 2lp evo end

[abstract summit]

My current one has the poison nova AND the malestorm

Literally full screen lmao

[charred ridge]

cus 2lp nihilis with acceptable rolls is hard

lmfao

[abstract summit]

Im conditioned to stand in poison pools now surely nothing wrong will come out of it

[molten bramble]

I think 1lp nihil > 2lp Evo's end that 12% mana is too big

[ruby coral]

does the crit from traitors tongue only apply to melee hits or spells as well?

[molten bramble]

both

[proud pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/everything-reaction-meme-gif-23306023

[ruby coral]

oh wow, thats huge

[charred ridge]

ye think so too honestly

[molten bramble]

But even a good 1lp is kinda hard, not rediculous but alot of aberoth farming

[charred ridge]

i had 4 or 5 good 1 lps last season im not too worried

it's ass to get the first one

but it's ok

im just worried about 2lp it's like

thank god we are using traitors tongue and that can roll 3lp

cus if you can't get shred on weapon there is so much pressure to get it on amulet

and that means 2lp

[abstract summit]

Wdym, just get a 3lp vise

[molten bramble]

I do think the top end of this build for glass cannon dmg is using a primal dagger off hand with the T8 flat dmg

[charred ridge]

yeah maybe

i haven't spreadsheet it

on the bright side you get to use SW then

[silent tundra]

Hello, I have some questions about the lich, because I'm playing a crit build with Truesight Glass
could someone help me with theorycraft ?

[abstract summit]

The relic is a 16% loss, if you need the change the rings from julra to get back the crit that's a hard sell

[molten bramble]

I think the extra flat scales just that hard

but thats just gut feeling

[charred ridge]

gotta do math

[molten bramble]

you have to account for down time on julra rings

[willow current]

how are people speccing marrow shards and what changes on flay to have it proc marrow?

[charred ridge]

also gotta do math on attunement stacking but like there is zero way that's ever worth... right?

[charred ridge]

there is no downtime on uber tho

[abstract summit]

Ye it def better sustained but i dont see it for burst

[molten bramble]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Br2WGOyB You can take a look at mine

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (83) / Warlock (10)

General:

▸ Health: 4,230, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 1,600.65, Regen: 20.56/s
▸ Ward Retention: 212%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 17 Str / 9 Dex / 106 Int / 17 Att / 10 Vit
▸ Resistances: 54% / 54% / 54% / 85% / 85% / 97% / 57%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 57%, Threshold: 1,751
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (42)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 29% (1,396)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 100%

Used skills:

Marrow Shards / Flay / Chaos Bolts / Reaper Form / Harvest

[willow current]

ty

[molten bramble]

I meaning the 12 second cd you dont have triple stats

[charred ridge]

stardials are literally always up when he's not phasing if you kill in 40s

on lower gear there is downtime ye

under 1min kill it's very minimal

if you kill in like 2 mins then yeah

it's a real thing

but for the most part if you have good gear they're just always up when you boss

[abstract summit]

You lose 160 mana on the relic (vs carved, not shattered) and another 144 on the rings (uptime on it is yours to deliberate), x2.1 on both
Aint no way

[charred ridge]

tbh the real caveat on stardial is that at 2lp you really don't get to choose how the implicits roll lmao

[willow current]

do we know where the new npc is at so i can grab the amulet and relic?

[molten bramble]

Top end might be stardials but T8 dagger with 2x Phantom Grips, Carved + Blood mage gloves are easier to obtain for huge dmg with little effort

[abstract summit]

Garden

[charred ridge]

valid

[willow current]

Ty

oh you can't buy the amulet you gotta do lineage completions got it.

[abstract summit]

I mean ye for ghetto gear for sure

[charred ridge]

phantom grips have 8% mana so do you actually lose mana there?

i think you mostly just lose like 1300% inc dmg

which you know, is no small number

[abstract summit]

Okay i may have missed that kek

[charred ridge]

maybe the tech is t8 dagger with julra rings and SW and just get crit cap from blessing and a crit affix somewhere

[abstract summit]

Still at -400 total kinda

[molten bramble]

Anyone also know the best way to farm materials for primordial uniques? I am assuming is is weaver amber farm into buying rampant coast woven echoes. But anyone with other ideas?

[abstract summit]

Ye sw for sure imo if it's worth

I heard somebody just keeps resetting evolution every time to farm the cave for bones

[charred ridge]

how much does the echo cost

[molten bramble]

ohh man 7500

[charred ridge]

i dont think resetting evo is necessarily the move but maybe

im guessing you replied to the wrong msg lol?

7500 ambers is so much

[molten bramble]

but you can do the weaver tree node scout proc

[charred ridge]

i heard the proc rate is based on cost so

[molten bramble]

F

[willow current]

uhh i respecced and can't put points into any other tree weird?

[charred ridge]

that wouldn't really help that much if that's the case but it's just speculation afaik

[willow current]

nvm ignore me im dumb

[charred ridge]

it's also just hard to spend ambers on things that aren't unclaimed troves if you still need double t7s

but maybe you can get a decent amount of echoes from 3:1 every now and then

[molten bramble]

I also saw you were trying to get COF minor weaver idols? I was hunting the same thing earlier and I tried putting the minor lagonian idol lense increase and the minor weaver idol prophecies started showing up much more frequently.

[charred ridge]

idk if that is also weighed by echo rarity

[charred ridge]

yeee i did that it's so much better

which is actually really funny cus that didn't exist in 1.2

[molten bramble]

Not very intuative

[charred ridge]

and i trusted EHG thinking "small idol surely just means any 1x1, right..."

so i was using that and it just sucked lmfao

[charred ridge]

yep honestly they could do a lot to improve CoF

not having that lens for a whole season is criminal 😂

[molten bramble]

Honestly with weaver idols why do we have any other idols

they should just scrap them

[abstract summit]

COF lenses should be all rolled into a drop down menu after the first time you buy them, change my mind

[molten bramble]

also how about not wasting 30 minutes rolling 500k favor. That wastes so much time

[abstract summit]

you think that's bad on equipment, try spending 500k on runes kek

[charred ridge]

this kind of design really make sense when you hear EHG say they don't expect the player to hit level 100

if you don't hit level 100 you ain't got 500k favor

[abstract summit]

okay

[charred ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/smart-thinking-thoughts-think-ponder-gif-7713620

[abstract summit]

but how do you explain abo summoning process? 😄

[charred ridge]

ah whatever gifs

[abstract summit]

like it cannot be a designer looks at it, then proceeds to clicks tongue, "yass that hits the spot"

[charred ridge]

delete minions

burn it with fire

only acceptable minion is falcon cause you press its abilities

[abstract summit]

my first build ever was a zoo necro in like 0.8 sthing

my last minion build ever was the zoo necro 😄

i think BM's design is kinda nice cause you are actually doing melee stuff the damage is just not coming from you

necro is just a cheerleader lmao

"oh wow i need to put this spirit on this bug guy weeeeeeeeee"

[charred ridge]

ive never touched primalist but i could see myself doing maelstrom

i just have ptsd from wow/blizzard when it comes to minions

[molten bramble]

I think I might build bear after lich

[abstract summit]

just dont forget the minion AOE affixes lol

[pallid plume]

Bear is strong. But I mean also being able to quickly do 3 EQ is on bosses also strong. But also has a the minion tag for scaling

[charred ridge]

im sure playing minions is alright but they are also extremely trauma inducing when you play rogue against them and your whole UI is just hp bars

[abstract summit]

ye i somehow figured you a rogue player kek

[charred ridge]

checks out

flay is more of a rogue than blade dancer honestly

all this flicker shit? that's the real rogue class fantasy

[willow current]

looking at this do we want the rip blood nodes on chaos bolt still even if we don't have chaos bolt specced?

[molten bramble]

Yeah free extra dmg and healing

[charred ridge]

sorry maybe that was too hot of a take

[willow current]

i meant rip blood specced but ah ok fair

[molten bramble]

You can put the points elsewhere but not sure any other nodes are going to give you more dmg

[urban dust]

found this old video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Un8qCYblIYQ
do you guys think it's still Ok in season 3 ?

looks very simple

[willow current]

was just curious is all. im struggling figuring out the way i wanna spec nodes first in all 5 skills.

[charred ridge]

idk about this exact setup but chthonic fissure is always good

[molten bramble]

It was a solid build in season 1 however in later seasons power creep pushed it out of meta

[urban dust]

ye, I just want to use it to farm gear for my real build

[molten bramble]

Solid good all around map clearer but bossing can be slow

they did nerf it a little bit with the nerfs to wrongwarp and blood rip not giving 2 global spell power

[urban dust]

only two uniques, and the rest is just crafted

[charred ridge]

fissure's weakness has always been that things die off screen, thankfully we now have filter sounds and minimap icons

[charred ridge]

that ww nerf is so fried when it was already falling out of grace with the powercreep allowing for more inc% dmg giving ladle a better edge

[charred ridge]

also I've seen someone destroy a training dummy in 1 second with profane veil so that might not be super true

profane veil is technically not fissure but builds that use one also use the other

so im just assuming there's decent ST tech out there for fissure

[bold tree]

think i found my new weaver tree item

[marsh bloom]

can someone give me a traitor tongue? please 🙂

[crisp ridge]

5b

[viscid rover]

is it a bug for twisted heart to not work on the flay/harvest build? They both have cold tags and should be "elemental"

[bold tree]

i dont think its tagged spell

cause the blood eruption part is triggered

[void seal]

Does this node apply to bosses and rares or not (the description text and the effect text is inconsistent)?

[shadow valley]

descp text and effect text are not contradictory

[viscid rover]

thanks I'm a ddummy

[shadow valley]

I'm not playing flay rn so can't confirm, but the node's text is congruent

[void seal]

What? I'm confused then.

[shadow valley]

more reading, less confusing

[willow current]

so how do you do your buttons for flay? use harvest mostly and only use flay on rares/bosses?

[shadow valley]

but lemme clarify;

1. you hit NON RARE but theres a rare nearby? here's an effect for you
2. you hit the rare nearby

[viscid rover]

I haeve no idea why maxroll ssays use twisted heart

[viscid rover]

yes, and harvest for getting mana back, but it hits harder

[old hull]

Maxroll loves twisted heart on everything, just for the stats it has

[willow current]

ah i see ok makes sense

[viscid rover]

I mean 17% hp is nothing to scoff at, i get it, but it just seems silly to have just for that really 😕

[void seal]

Ok, I see now. That phrasing was throwing me off.

[old hull]

Also the strength for armor increase

and +levels sometimes

[viscid rover]

yeah if I had the plsu levels then it'd be perf

[void seal]

If there is no boss/rare nearby, does the sepctral flay just not proc?

[viscid rover]

but it kinda sucks imo, ngl

[old hull]

Right

[void seal]

Hmmm.

[vivid ruin]

Didn't predict the mana regen needs at low-mid mana 😄

Pity there's no mana on hit n this game.

[brisk elk]

not perfect but this is my first primordial

[eternal heath]

How did Lich players used to sustain Death Seal above base 3sec duration? In previous patches

[brisk elk]

it used to just have a longer duration

[left whale]

Minion explosion fun

[gritty cargo]

I play ghostflame so I would press it and then I would have the bonus snapshot for the rest of the map

now that its a useless ability no use in even using it

[boreal rampart]

which one is correct?

[fallen rose]

Do harvest procs on chaos bolt interact with iron mouths (from the harvest tree) at all?

The upside doesn’t say anything about direct casts but the downside does

[fluid escarp]

Where the Harvest Flay uberroth kills at

[radiant vessel]

Somebody posted a 1 minute yesterday

[fluid escarp]

I must see it, and the build

[radiant vessel]

https://youtu.be/bFPenSr_x5k?si=1Ub1wdCa4xUhEr4S

boggles my mind how abom can feel so terrible to play and flay is so fun, makes me wonder what the necro testing process looked like

[fluid escarp]

I mean flickering strike was bound to feel great

N makes sense. Sadge, wanna just do harvest main dps, but the dmg dont feel the greatest 4 uberroth

[eternal heath]

so devs changed it?

[abstract summit]

i mean they illustrated perfectly why did the devs change it lol

[obtuse quest]

Went from: 5 second base duration extendable to 7, 7~ cooldown after dropping.
To: 3 second duration extendable to 4, 10~ cooldown after dropping.

50~% uptime into 30-40% uptime

But now instead effectively makes you immune to hit damage if you have leech.

[void sorrel]

Damn that looks good

[marble crypt]

well flay/flickerstrike might as well not be a melee skill xd

[void sorrel]

Anyone have interesting necro build? Like poison or sacrifice or something

[abstract summit]

ye i dont think so lol

[obtuse totem]

Has there been any flay/chaos bolt builds posted?

like, on maxroll etc

[marble crypt]

mana problem simulator

[obtuse totem]

i know they had a flay/marrow one

[little wigeon]

if you are going marrow you should also be going chaos bolts

[radiant vessel]

Aren't most the flay builds using CB? You could check the letools ladder

[brisk elk]

check out mishka's sacrifice infernal shade build

its pretty cool

[marble crypt]

does this even affect the dots applied by ripblood (I'm pretty sure it doesnt?)

[tranquil laurel]

if i take prophetie at lvl 11 COF the effect lvl 12 ( doubled) is actualise on active prophetie or i wait for use my currency at lvl 12 ?

[obtuse quest]

It doesn't specify hits, so it affects everything, including ailments applied by Rip Blood.

[white onyx]

Curious, has anyone put out a guide for mana stacking/chaos bolt flay lich?

[cerulean hornet]

Can anyone explain to me why the abomination maxroll build wants to be on a “low life set up”

[drowsy anvil]

Can I somehow reroll item stats?

[pearl snow]

with a rune on craftables yes. For the uniques / legendaries you have to do a woven echo if its still in the game which it prob is

as long as you have forging potential on exalted / rares basically

you need an extra copy of the unique to reroll the uniques / leggos

[pearl snow]

they should explain it in the guide. Most likely due to defensive reasons tho

[cerulean hornet]

That’s the thing, I couldn’t find it anywhere in the guide 🤣

[white oracle]

Abom does huge damage already, so you really just want defense

[cerulean hornet]

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/abomination-necromancer-guide guide in question

[cerulean hornet]

Right, I guess what I’m trying to say is how does low life = defense? I don’t know the game very well yet

[pearl snow]

so he has the boots and exalted affix on the gloves

basically low life = you have a lot of missing health

that generates ward

which generally goes higher than you total life bar

[white oracle]

^

[pearl snow]

in game guide can tell you about ward specifically

[obtuse quest]

You give up health for at least x2 of that amount in ward.

[pearl snow]

I dont know if there is a published one out yet, but you can probably scavenge either the ladder or community builds on the different sites for info

[white oracle]

If you're just starting out with abom, you really only need to get a bunch of life. I'm doing the level 78 monos with 1800 life and have no issues.
Make sure you cap resists too

The other stuff is nice, but not 100% necessary at that point. If you do it right, the Abom will kill everything fast.
You can add some Minion melee damage on weapons too, which helps.

[cerulean hornet]

I’m like In the middle, for this life stacking set up I would basically take the nodes off that drain my life? I’m doing 100 corrupt monos but find myself pretty squishy. The abom kills everything it’s great damage wise, and stays alive. My only issue is I get one shot a lot

[white oracle]

Yeah, that one node that splits your life isn't useful until you get a bunch of life and/or ward

[tranquil laurel]

hey boys ! the effect lvl 12 COF is actualise in Prophétie if i take lvl 11? thanks

[cerulean hornet]

Ahh okay. Thanks man I’m gonna try and drop that node and the boots and stack life/res

[white oracle]

you can try doing the boots with more life too.
really you don't need anything else on that build

outside of resists

[cerulean hornet]

Now does endurance play a factor with the low life set up?

[pearl snow]

endurance does not apply to ward

[cerulean hornet]

Well I mean as far as low life, I thought I read that endurance triggers at low life

[autumn bough]

Low life is cause you need sustain, how are you planning to regain hp on life version?

[pearl snow]

game guide

[molten bramble]

Endurance triggers at endurance threshhold. You can use items and passives to increase your endurance threshold. I believe endurance threshold is 20% of Max hp base (I might be wrong).

[obtuse quest]

Endurance only applies it's DR to health damage, not ward damage.

[cerulean hornet]

That I don’t know lol. I think my issue is that I need to stack more ward here

[white oracle]

how much life do you think they will need for the ward version?
I haven't gotten that far yet (and won't since I will be switching to Flay)

[pearl snow]

Ward builds still like lots of flat hp because your ward generation is based off your missing hp

[molten bramble]

If you are using corrupted form. Using Seed of Ekidrassil and the primordial relic and increase your base endurance threshold and combo really well with corrupted form

[pearl snow]

Ward Decay Threshold is also valuable

[molten bramble]

But you also need to make sure you cap your endurance dmg reduction. It is 20% base and you need an additonal 40% to cap at 60%.

[pearl snow]

The build he is looking at uses endurance not for the DR but because of the Tyrant Skull

[cerulean hornet]

I chose a tedious build for my 2nd epoch character 🤣

[pearl snow]

well I mean thats the endgame gear right

the starting gear is fairly easy to build upon

suffixes are just flat health, crit reduction, and res

[cerulean hornet]

Yeah, I have all endgame gear but line 1 or no LP. Just missing the chest :p don’t get me wrong the build is great and that thing kills bosses insanely fast, just wanted to understand why more ward was better than flat hp stacking

[faint igloo]

Is the flaye lich playable without the dagger? playing torment warlock right now trying to farm it and im really wanting to swap over. have the boots but thats about it

[pearl snow]

yeah, dagger is mostly for attack speed so youll just attack way slower

[merry bone]

Does anyone have a build planner for mana stacking flay? I cant find a good one

[formal sparrow]

what a beautiful thing to login to ❤️ now what tf do i buy lol

something tells me an army of skin with 2 lp is gonna be like 2 mil

[left whale]

Aight

Corruprion 260

Hell yea

[errant patrol]

could it be worth to stack fire res on a bleed flay lich to get melee poison chance and convert to bleed with carrion?

[limber berry]

I just don't think it will be strong enough, plus you have to use the other set piece

[errant patrol]

just set craft it onto something good

with the woven echo

[limber berry]

youd be crafting it onto a shield still

[errant patrol]

true

[pearl snow]

shields on a bleed build is kinda contested too since you already have a great one

[limber berry]

and then you have to use another dagger you craft for main hand to use the other ruby axe

[pearl snow]

could be cool to tinker with

[errant patrol]

just dropped it randomly and thats what my mind went to

[limber berry]

like, sure, it will probably work fine, but it won't be the ruby set that does the heavy lifting, and you won't get as far as a propert setup

[errant patrol]

yeah i dont think its worth you can get t6 ignite on a wand that does more than a t6/7 res on a piece

[obtuse totem]

looking at builds of people that have hit 100 already and doing higher content, is aura of decay that good? Seems like theyre all specializing in it

[pearl snow]

It can do a lot to help you out and shred resists and things

[obtuse quest]

Do you want the enemies to lose a lot of resistances?

If you're poison, physical, or cold and you want them to, then AoD is your friend.

[obtuse totem]

if im none of those is it worth taking? im necrotic flay/CB

[obtuse quest]

Not really, unless you need poison/physical dot/cold dot defense

[obtuse totem]

ok thats kind of what i thought and why i hadnt specced into it

[versed fox]

How's everyone speccing their AoD

Besides your flavor of damage

[sweet spade]

@obtuse totem if youre chasing meta, you may as well just use an actual meta build

[obtuse totem]

not really chasing meta, just wanted to see what others are doing and see if I get any ideas for my own build

[radiant vessel]

seems like poison AoD is good if ur going the dex stacking version with the primordial dagger, but idk if it does much for the necrotic version

[sweet spade]

The top players dont have 1 skill randomly, it all feeds into the rest of the build

Ie, if you take 4 different skills from 4 different builds, your homebrew is going to be crap

[obtuse quest]

Most like int =- res is the core for most AoD support setups. (It does convert)

[obtuse totem]

im well aware of this and that isnt what im doing

[versed fox]

I'm so confused by what actually converts

[versed fox]

They're just asking for other players experiences

[versed fox]

I'm specced around bleed flay->cb and AoD is still my best skill

[obtuse quest]

In AoD's case at least, only one subskill doesn't convert. (Defiling Nova)

The other subskills won't matter becuase they can't be coverted. Everything else is covered under the conversion text.

[sweet spade]

@obtuse totem sorry I wasn't trying to rain on your parade, just saying that if you pick one skill out of a meta build and apply it to yours, it's going to be a scuffed integration.

[versed fox]

What about putrid bombs?

[obtuse totem]

i get 0 resist benefit from AoD except a tiny amount of cold res if I specced it cold. Just wanted to check I wasnt missing something super obvious (Couldnt see anything on items that made a difference)

[versed fox]

What draws you to necrotic damage?

I've seen all the other flavors of flay/cb

[obtuse quest]

Supposedly converts, but I don't have live test

[obtuse totem]

CB/harvest do necrotic as base, can get good value out of the necrotic melee/spell damage weapon modifier and %necrotic damage modifiers working on all my damage

[versed fox]

https://tenor.com/view/wack-thatswack-hannibal-burress-ericandreshow-gif-20565184

[obtuse quest]

It's mostly the "Take less X dot damage" that Aod defensively gives, so if you're not the related elements it's pretty mid.

[radiant vessel]

the new flat necrotic damage affix is ridiculous at t7/8

[obtuse totem]

i may end up speccing AoD for that exact reason anyway because I cant really see anything else i would want to. Had Flay specced while doing campaign/leveling and re-assessing now. Did consider fitting marrow shards but thats more for the phys/bleed flay build

[versed fox]

Which one is that?

[obtuse totem]

Is it that one?

[versed fox]

Does rip blood convert?

[obtuse quest]

It's about 15-25% higher compared to usual melee flats

[obtuse totem]

rip does go to necrotic yeah

[versed fox]

Word

[obtuse totem]

ive got it specced for that, -cost, +ward and damned chance basically at the moment

[obtuse quest]

Penance can trigger frozen touch in AoD

Oh no, I really didn't want to use this stupid tech

[obtuse totem]

what is penance?

[obtuse quest]

Follows converts. (Works with cold)

[versed fox]

Sick

I was considering doing the armor shred nodes instead of the other side

(for bleed convert)

But maybe just both

[main badge]

is the acolyte levleing guide on maxroll any good? im not quite sure why it takes so many bleed nodes

[obtuse totem]

hah

[versed fox]

Because bleed rocks

(I haven't seen the guide)

That seems overly convoluted

You can clear the campaign with just rip blood

[pearl snow]

I dhavent read it but I assume its a DoT leveling setup so itd make sense to grab bleed nodes. Plus Rip blood and Chaos Bolts during leveling do very good jobs at applying DoT and bleed is the quickest to get up

[abstract summit]

@molten bramble i finally made it to the promised land lmao. dad gaming is hard

[main badge]

yeah i think its using fissure, to proc chao bols, which in turn extends fissure up time and also procs rip blood

but not sure why it takes the blood splatter nodes, since the way its worded seems like you can only take dmg from rip blood or splatter, not both

[molten bramble]

It can be hard with newborn I have two kids myself 5 and 9

[obtuse quest]

Mostly just more AoE it looks like

[abstract summit]

so it gets better? 👀

[main badge]

also very confused on why take bone curse proccing nodee for chaos bolt, but not spec into bone curse

[molten bramble]

Yeah but not for awhile. When they can start taking care of themselves a bit more. Around 4 years old.

[obtuse quest]

Freezing blast is not an aoe

Cringeeee

[versed fox]

You've got too many spells if you do that

[abstract summit]

yaaay question mark 😄
anyway, i only have the axe and traitor and skin, literally nothing on them, 400 mana, already better than fissure was lol

[versed fox]

Wait I can't count, they're not using AoD

[tall mural]

if only I could stand playing minion builds

[main badge]

they speced infernal shade instead

[obtuse quest]

Somene give me a quick recap on the amount of CDR we can get.

[main badge]

but then the biggest quesiotn is, for rip blood, why spec into coaglation if also speccing into the ward nodes, doesnt coagulation specifically say it doesnt work if rip blood grants ward instead of health?

or am i blind and cant read

[molten bramble]

Yeah it only goes up from there. spend prophecies or try to get the idols early I waited far to long to get them and the idols are a huge life and mana power spike with the primal relic

[versed fox]

I'm pretty sure it's (CD/(1+0.xx))

Half cool down at 100% cdr

Third cool down at 200%?

[obtuse quest]

Not the formula. As in "How much CDR does acolyte have access to"

[versed fox]

Oh I see

My b

[obtuse quest]

I wonder if one cna make traversal flay work lmao

5 sec cdr is the same as base transplant

[pearl snow]

yeah thats gunna be rough

already slowing down way to fast with this whole spell flay setup

[obtuse quest]

I might be cooking too hard.

I'm worried

[pearl snow]

welcome to my kitchen

[obtuse quest]

LMAO

I'll complete the planner first I guess

[pearl snow]

I might be better off just leaning into AoD harder with those nodes that pump the frequency on flay

[tall mural]

Ive been using the Fester node to stack dots, conversions appear to work

[main badge]

these 2 nodes do not work together right

[obtuse quest]

It probably works? This is easily dummy testable

[tall mural]

I still dont understand why they moved the dummies so far away

[obtuse quest]

You can't use skills in towns anymore so dummies being in towns don't make sense.

Or that's the given explanation anyway

[tall mural]

I think it was to force players to go to an area they largely ignored because there was never a reason to go ther

[brisk elk]

mana stacking gloves

[narrow idol]

I need legacy players to play with

[brisk elk]

idk whether to try to roll this with gauntlet

the unique bits are really good but the mana is low

[pearl snow]

@obtuse quest does Ailment Freq on AoD increase the 4x a second tick rate or amp the amount of dots per tick?

[obtuse quest]

I... don't know

But it works as written, I just don't understand the formula.

Both would in theory end with the same result

[pearl snow]

But if its tick rate there may be a ceiling

Or a floor where its no longer useful

Ugh

I may have to offline check it

Maybe dev channel has something

[obtuse quest]

Good luck with that, I don't even know where to start to test that

[tall mural]

Got dived bombed by void bird and couldnt figure out why, forgot I took off gear switching to a phys build, have 12% fire rez

[obtuse quest]

Oof

[tall mural]

I was like, Ive done this before 2.5k base ward should be enough to tank any of his hits..then, it was revealed to me, I didnt have 40 rez between void and fire xD

[pearl snow]

Hopefully Mike or someone else can answer to prevent my mental health testing it

[crisp ridge]

first roll ☠️

[obtuse quest]

Wtf luck sack

[crisp ridge]

and im playing a mage with it 😂 maybe ill end up trying aco just to use it lmao

[vivid ruin]

They work, rip blood just sucks 😄 As a proc off flay*

[obtuse quest]

I might be going insane

[stone vault]

WHY DOES CDR NOT WORK WITH ABOMINATION SKILLS >_<???

[vast tendon]

It really is a crime how much easier a game this is with Warlock lol

Everything rots, burns or both.

[buoyant bear]

You need minion CDR

[main badge]

flay? i was procing it off chaos bolt but i didnt see a single coagulated blood :/

[stone vault]

it doesnt work, i have a shitton of it

[obtuse quest]

And some of them don’t even count as skills, they count as procs

[stone vault]

in the actual abom tree also, doesnt work so wtf

[buoyant bear]

What is your testing method

[warped root]

got a question about dread shade - the vile ghast node converts necrotic dmg from the skill and tree into poison chance, is there any way to add necrotic dmg to the base skill ? i only get +12 necrotic dmg from the tree

[stone vault]

deadeye shot only goes off every 3 secs, with a hell of a lot of CDR for minions

[vivid ruin]

Same thing to me, flay->cb->rip. But removed iut for curse as rip was doing f all.

[buoyant bear]

It might not recast eternal arrow if there's already one out, I recall a dev saying something to that effect, but I'd have to double check

[stone vault]

it does cast it, already checked that

it casts exactly every 3 seconds

[obtuse quest]

What do you mean add damage to base skill?

[stone vault]

whats the point of CDR in the tree if it doesnt affect skills LOL

makes 0 sense

[dusty onyx]

POgo

[vivid ruin]

wtf is there to spend riftbeast mats on after our unique/rune? Is it the woven bag? Are any good? Is it just me or is most of the shop stuff there underwhelming?

[sand crest]

Would an abomination made with zombies and wraiths in a minion army be better than having the zombies and two perma wraiths? Thinking of doing the skeletons, skeleton mages, golem with the abomination with dread shade on him.

[abstract summit]

Sir we dont have frostbite idols

[dusty onyx]

Is there a way to modify a legendary if harbringer whiff and add stupid mods?

They just griefed my wand

[abstract summit]

Y is there no trashcan emote by default in discord

[dusty onyx]

gimme a new wand 0 LP! 😢

[modern timber]

bro leveling acolyte sucks ass omg

[tall mural]

my main issue with these AoD builds is not having enough conversion options to fill in empty skill slots

[marble crypt]

what are you even leveling with?

[modern timber]

maxroll

im 54 rn its an alt

this is hell

[marble crypt]

i just leveled with spirits and running and ignoring everything

[obtuse quest]

You’re funny, that’s just the plan B for the build

[modern timber]

spirits?

maxroll says to use this fissure shxt but it literally costs 60 mana

[warped root]

so the text of vile ghast says that it, "converts added necrotic damage from the base skill and this tree into chance to poison on hit", since there's only like +12 necrotic damage on the tree how do I raise the necrotic damage of the base skill?

[tall mural]

Hell I leveled Rip Blood into marrow shards and didnt have a hard time, what on earth are you leveling as?

[warped root]

or am I not understanding this

[left whale]

I leveled skele mage, lvl 94 corr260

[modern timber]

can u show me this

[drowsy anvil]

I don’t really like that you can’t convert aod to necrotic. This doesn’t make sense to me🗿

[obtuse quest]

Skill nodes. We have one right beside the center.

[obtuse quest]

THIS is plan A.

[modern timber]

u tryna level me a bit? i can giv u some gold

[marble crypt]

nothing of a guide but i just used through the campaign and threw in some random summons and it did the job until monoliths, if something doesnt die while running past it wasnt worth killing anyway

[formal sparrow]

$$$$$

[left whale]

I can lvl u u dont have to give me anything lol

[modern timber]

oh bet my goat ❤️

[drowsy anvil]

Don’t think so. You pretty much running and checking loot while your minions erasing anything breathing ☕️

[left whale]

Dm me your ign and i will add u

[vast tendon]

...Is this a Best in Slot? lol

[modern timber]

yea im def playing the wrong build

[minor cedar]

Fissure spread ignite node will spread bleed if i convert to physic?

[abstract summit]

you ahve read both sentences in the description, right? 😄

[warped root]

yeah, apart from that, what else?

i have that node maxed already

[formal sparrow]

for 700k

think its worth?

would be atleast 7765

or 7666

[obtuse quest]

Not much else

[steady plank]

Ild love a abom talent that splits it into two or three aboms. 1 abom makes the ai being clunky feel really bad

[obtuse quest]

Penance can trigger it

[vast tendon]

Does this include my Necrotic and Fire dmg?

[abstract summit]

damage while channeling - dexterity - all resistance while channeling - health regen

[formal sparrow]

lol

fr

[formal sparrow]

elemental is fire lightnign cold

[obtuse quest]

Necrotic isn’t elemental.
Elemental is fire cold lightning

[vast tendon]

Ahhh...

[formal sparrow]

ended up buying a 21 for 200k

im not rich enough to risk all my money on a weavers lol

i just hope it can roll something good

harvest and cold damage would be crazy good

[abstract summit]

wait what

[formal sparrow]

btw is there a thing where you can import ur current build and items to calculate actual crit rates ? since skills will have bonuses that arent getting counted in game

[obtuse quest]

Penance damage counts as a hit, for some god forsaken reason. (Yes this can self trigger illusion of pain from bone curse)

[abstract summit]

what if the boss attacks once every 5 seconds?

[autumn bough]

You dont care

[obtuse quest]

Bone curse penance amulet applies it to the target and you(with aura).

[abstract summit]

ah

[obtuse quest]

It doesn’t matter, just hit the boss yourself to trigger penance yourself

[abstract summit]

missed the self apply part

okay but wont the 4 seconds CD still apply tho?

[obtuse quest]

Yeah

But that’s fine, it has an actual freeze rate.

Yes, this is a stall setup

Does it work? Probably? We have enough pen for frostbite

[abstract summit]

for all 50 of them

[formal sparrow]

F

ill have a skeleton mage relic i suppose

[obtuse quest]

We only need 15 for freeze rate anyway, and shackles gives pen per cold res

[abstract summit]

am still not sure what's hte point of the freezing blast tho, literally just for the memes? 😄 snowdrift only takes global freeze multi

[formal sparrow]

this is just a better exalted relic at the end ngl

[vast tendon]

..Oh this sounds fun... lol

[abstract summit]

or i mean you literally jsut want to freeze things?

[obtuse quest]

An actual freeze skill. 400 base means we have a real chance to freeze a boss

[abstract summit]

i c

[obtuse quest]

Unlike most freeze skills, this starts at a 3 digit number, making it possible to multiply it to decent numbers

[abstract summit]

so there is this class called mage

[obtuse quest]

I know

Shush

[abstract summit]

😄

[formal sparrow]

i havent found any link about freezing blast

i didnt know it had such good freeze rate

i gopt extra points i wouldnt mind getting it

[obtuse quest]

Letools has the data

[formal sparrow]

can u link if u have it

[obtuse quest]

Doesn’t do any daamage though

[abstract summit]

on the flip side i was todays day old when i came to know glacier freeze rate scales with int lol

[obtuse quest]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/skills/aod_cold_retaliation

[formal sparrow]

hmm okay ty

i have 4 points in the armor shred nodes of aura

but realistically im probs not even needing any in there cuz of aura of decay - res

rn for me its a casual -120 cold res for ennemy lol

or does armor shred still help here?

[obtuse quest]

They’re seperate multipliers

[marble crypt]

depends on whether you are dot or hit though

[formal sparrow]

im hit

[marble crypt]

well better get some armor shred

[formal sparrow]

hm

lemme test with 4 points in it on a dummy

does it cap at a certain number

[marble crypt]

no

[formal sparrow]

oh

[obtuse quest]

No hard cap, soft cap at 100

[formal sparrow]

its giving like

4-5 armor shred things for the whole 4 pointer

kinda sad

i also dont currently have armor shred suffixes tho

[marble crypt]

yeah nothing on the tree that isnt the main debuff is kinda just bad

[formal sparrow]

i mean

wwyd

keep 1 point in armor shred get 3 points in ailment frequency and 1 in freezing?

[abstract summit]

are you sure you have the correct boots for the meme?

[obtuse quest]

That’s the life setup

[formal sparrow]

im using army of skin

[obtuse quest]

I kidna forgot last steps has that lmao

[formal sparrow]

wait is the freezing blast bad without the boots?

[abstract summit]

also you can still melee with a scepter right?

[marble crypt]

forget because it shares a slot with snowdrift

[obtuse quest]

You first have to answer: how the hell are you triggering it

[obtuse quest]

Yes, but slower

[abstract summit]

frozen ire is kinda beeeeeeg tho

[formal sparrow]

getting hit?

[obtuse quest]

It’s okay for pure freeze yeah, also comes with another aoe that has 80 freeze

[abstract summit]

oh you also want to kill things? 😄

how un memey of you

[obtuse quest]

Yeah but that’s unreliable since it’s 30% rate at max points.

[obtuse quest]

[formal sparrow]

so is 4 armor shred better lol

[obtuse quest]

Armour shred is way better

i’m running freeze blast as a joke

[formal sparrow]

i just need a suffix that actually shred QQ

[vast tendon]

So lemme refresh my memory, is the Ancient Era stuff just something consistent on that map? It isn't something in the Monoliths besides the Beast tears

[formal sparrow]

also how does dummy damage work

im hitting like fkin 400k boosted

but im pretty sure i dont do that in monos

[abstract summit]

ahahahaha there is actually a weaver idol with freeze rate lmao

[formal sparrow]

actually more with reaper

[formal sparrow]

what kinda strange build are u doing

[marble crypt]

you do like 10% of the damage you do to dummies xd in empowered monos

[abstract summit]

your ward on freeze gains gonna be legendary

[obtuse quest]

That thing is so low I don’t even know what to say lmao the normal freeze rate idol affix is higher

[formal sparrow]

hard to tell whatsd good dmg or not qq

[abstract summit]

wtf "Requires Item Class: Primalist / Mage / Non-Specific" even mean? everybody?

[marble crypt]

my gauge is do i see big 1 million number or is my pc dying from frame drops

[obtuse quest]

Freezing blast triggers on hit.
Penance damage counts as a hit.
Self curse penance: profit

[obtuse quest]

1x2 is classless so everyone.
The class specific ones exist on mage and primalist

[abstract summit]

okay but the ward gain tho

[marble crypt]

if its affixes for armor

then yeah that makes sense

[formal sparrow]

confused

[marble crypt]

penance is the curse from swine amulet (the variant no one uses? ignite) , and you self curse bone curse by converting it into an aura

[obtuse quest]

2 to 4 per freeze is stupid lmao

[abstract summit]

bro that's 51 ward on every freeze

giga worth

i think that's where the real meme is 😄

[obtuse quest]

The amulet would give more ward then that

[grave plume]

Have not played the new season, any notable changes to Minion Army builds? It's the only build I enjoy

[marble crypt]

numbers are higher thats all i remember

[formal sparrow]

B R U H