Whereas if you drop harvest but get 200% crit chance on chest you are crit capped perma
#💀┃acolyte
brisk elk
willow current
i had them on defense i assume? and now the swords mean attack?
willow current
ye golem still next to me unless i get nearer
maiden spruce
going full aura of decay with flay is fun af
livid frigate
i was having the exact same idea
except with flay
lost cliff
yo guys does anyone have a loot filter ?
willow current
for what and im just using the maxroll lvling acoyte one
lost cliff
for what and im just using the maxroll lvling acoyte one
for that
willow current
@lost cliffits in the maxroll guide. theres a tab on the side that says loot filter lcick on that and it should show you the loot filter there
unreal hill
can confirm tyrannosaur necro sucks or im building it wrong
Better with face of the mountain from what I hear
You want capped block for sure
dark inlet
haven't had a chance to get on yet, is Flay CB living up to the hype?
plain nest
haven't had a chance to get on yet, is Flay CB living up to the hype?
def not from what ive heard
rich frigate
For all the build crafters out there. How do you look at an item like Shroud of Obscurity and decides if it can help or not? I mean, if it has a modifier for your damage type or generally good stuff like health it's pretty easy, but what about those weird effects like the hp to ward convertions?
gaunt abyss
lich feels like paper
rancid sedge
Ok i found an army of skin, what else do I need to switch too flay
bleak cypress
hey, are there any pre abby lich builds?
brisk elk
Hey guys if you want to go cold melee lich here's some silly tech
Use mourningfrost and stack both int and dex with aura of decay
Ur cold res will be way negative
Then use that spear that gives cold damage taken as phys
maiden spruce
full poison lich currently very fun
brisk elk
Now u can leave ur cold res at -300% or whatever and be fine
It also gives melee damage as spell damage for cold spells
So cold convert your chaos bolts and now your melee dmg applies to them
I'll probably try it as a meme build at some point
Would be a nightmare to cap crit without traitors tongue tho
rancid sedge
im waiting for people to decide whats the better flay build before I switch over
brisk elk
@rancid sedge bleed easily unless you have crazy gear
But with 0 gear it's bleed no contest
High investment probably mana stacker
rancid sedge
why is it always bleed xD
rancid sedge
bleed still spams chaos bolts rights
brisk elk
Some dude said bleed lich does like 40m+ this patch
rancid sedge
damn
gloomy crystal
cause bleed for some reason kinda has double the base dot damage of other stackable dots and has just dummy dumb support from items
you've got the axe, the boots, chalice, salt the wounds
brisk elk
I think for bleed you would go flay, chaos bolts, rip blood, aura of decay and reaper form
abstract summit
ye need to add a crit affix somewhere
wise basalt
So is the abomination only good with skill swapping and all that jazz?
abstract summit
blessing or ammy
gloomy crystal
I think for bleed you would go flay, chaos bolts, rip blood, aura of decay and r...
i'll do something similar but don't go reaper forn, instead i'll go spirit pleague
brisk elk
@wacsa but you can just get 200%+ on chest and call it a day
And then drop harvest
You have so much flat mana already
brisk elk
i'll do something similar but don't go reaper forn, instead i'll go spirit pleag...
If you aren't taking reaper form why even go lich
gloomy crystal
you can't really do reaper form* low life 😄
fluid radish
so flay is bad atm?
gloomy crystal
but i'm going lich for flay and dual wield
abstract summit
And then drop harvest
harvest is also multi not just chance, plus mana return which you might need during mapping
brisk elk
you can't really do reaper form* low life 😄
You can if you take aura of decay
abstract summit
bit i mean ye sure not like double mana meme is mandatory
brisk elk
harvest is also multi not just chance, plus mana return which you might need dur...
You can use harvest without having it specced
gloomy crystal
oh? care to elaborate?
abstract summit
You can use harvest without having it specced
i mean it has mana return and ward gen nodes, not just proccing axe
brisk elk
Aura of decay missing health % heal will keep you above 0 hp
@abstract summit i understand the merits but I think you drop out of reaper way too often without AOD
gloomy crystal
huh, cool, will have to test that
abstract summit
<@431483017878437888> i understand the merits but I think you drop out of reaper...
with 26% spell leech? doubt
brisk elk
When you are not hitting stuff
When you are hutting stuff you will be full ho even without leech
abstract summit
i mean sure if you prefer that way certainly can be done. dropping out for a sec isnt a death sentence anymore
brisk elk
A hundred chaos bolts per second healths you 1000 hp per second
It's quality of life honestly
abstract summit
ye i get ya, wanna see first how mana looks like during mapping but is certainly a valid configuration
brisk elk
I would rather have perma crit cap and regen and lose a bit of damage
I also took another look at melee
Ur definitely right that chaos bolts are mandatory sadly
jolly pulsar
ANyone know why the maxroll Flay guide got removed?
abstract summit
Ur definitely right that chaos bolts are mandatory sadly
ye it is what it is lol
brisk elk
ye but harvest doesnt cast for you
Yes it does
kind forge
im conflicted ... harvest gives ALOT of bleed chance and phys resist shred .... but blood teather exists and its a spell
brisk elk
For which build
kind forge
For which build
bleed stuff
brisk elk
For bleed flay I would go rb
supple bane
updated "rite of undeath" that gives minions pen based on overcapped necro/ele res, would 80/80/80/80 fire/cold/light/necro res give 5 or 20pen?
brisk elk
Although now I'm thinking
Bleed wants to be low life right
For chaos bolts
And rb loses its bleed if u convert necro for ward
Right
kind forge
well just like general bleed stuff and deciding between rip blood and harvest
rib blood doubles your dmg
brisk elk
Wym doubles
kind forge
but harvest doubles your bleed stacks and some extra dmg
abstract summit
rip is honestly only for ward most of the cases
even for bleed flay 99% of your stacks gonna come from CB
kind forge
every stack of bleed makes the tether do 1% more dmg
brisk elk
You autocast rb from so many sources
abstract summit
1% more on 60 base unless you scale it in which case you aint scaling bleed
brisk elk
It's just a must have for bleed
abstract summit
so it's kinda questionable
brisk elk
1% more on 60 base unless you scale it in which case you aint scaling bleed
Yeah my thoughts
kind forge
so if you had 999 stacks of bleed thats 999% more dmg ... and it also counts as a spell
abstract summit
i mean sure it's free damage at the end but i would just go all on in on generic bleed stacks and CB procs personally
brisk elk
^
I agree
Either low life focusing on chaos bolts multi or just normal build focusing on general bleed
dark inlet
def not from what ive heard
dang, ok
abstract summit
ye 150-200% multi in CB, 100 procs a sec, i dunno 1500% applicaiton with gloves? what else you need 😄
kind forge
harvest tho does
-40% damage over time
-20-50% phys resist reduction
-50% phys pen
-100% bleed chance
-4% bleed chance per int
brisk elk
Yeah that's viable too
tall mural
think Im done until they figure out this kicked for inactivity thing going on
brisk elk
Especially if you don't want to go low life
kind forge
and harvest likes low life
brisk elk
How so?
abstract summit
it's just not in the same ballpark
brisk elk
Oh you meant direct cast harvest
kind forge
wraith skin
abstract summit
lmao
kind forge
5% missing health gained as ward
brisk elk
Yeah but the new chest piece gives you like
40%
Per second
If u harvest 4x a second that's just an exsanguinous
kind forge
Per second
the hybrid low life tho
tall mural
Direct cast Harvest is fine now, it's just Flay is absolutely busted
kind forge
corrupted form
kind forge
ye thats true ... harvest is very slow
abstract summit
ye thats true ... harvest is very slow
👀
gloomy crystal
imo corrupted form is the biggest bait of the patch
brisk elk
If you want to go low life just use the new chestpiece it's free
abstract summit
"harvest slow" meanwhile flay is out there 👀 👀 👀
brisk elk
imo corrupted form is the biggest bait of the patch
Have we tested dps
gloomy crystal
why have your ward limited so much from corrupted form when you can literally get 50k ward
kind forge
imo corrupted form is the biggest bait of the patch
ye it is ... but hey if you have half the max health thats effectively a 50% life cost reduction on all the life skills
xD
gloomy crystal
it's a great 1 pointer tho
abstract summit
I was thinking of scornful
we do add corrupted for scornful for uber just to be on the safe side but that's kinda it
brisk elk
Like I said before, corrupted form might be viable if it said "endurance applies to ward"
I would play that
kind forge
@gloomy crystalthere is a passive on reaper form that gives 100% dmg on low life
gaunt abyss
imo corrupted form is the biggest bait of the patch
Fr??
Why is that?
gloomy crystal
<@215432723857145856>there is a passive on reaper form that gives 100% dmg on lo...
100% inc is jack shit
brisk elk
You can play low life without cf
Cf griefs low life
U can't have any ward
It needs to say "endurance applies to ward"
One line and it's fixe
kind forge
U can't have any ward
you can have ward? you just only get ward up to your life
abstract summit
1: do you have 6k+ life?
2: are you doing one shot uber with scornful?
no+no -> maybe dont corrupt yoself
brisk elk
Up to half ur life
tall mural
you can have ward with CF tho
brisk elk
That's cheeks
kind forge
Up to half ur life
but you do get ALOT of life
gloomy crystal
yea... also on the topic of ward and the new chest, i think you can't do both spec harvest and rip blood with the new chest as that will make you hit the 240% hp as ward limit way too fast
tall mural
Though I do agree that it needs to apply at least some of thresh to ward
brisk elk
yea... also on the topic of ward and the new chest, i think you can't do both sp...
Yeah the new chest is busted for low life to the point that you don't even need other ward gen
You will be perma ward capped anyways
brisk elk
I can't decide if low life is good for melee lich
gloomy crystal
Crashes and freezes galore
haven't gotten any issue so far
brisk elk
Low life is amazing for dot chaos bolts, unplayable for chaos bolts mana stacker, idk otherwise tho
unreal hill
I can't decide if low life is good for melee lich
Im finding it needs a lot of investment
unreal hill
haven't gotten any issue so far
For me its freezing whenever i take an item out or switch tabs. And has a risk of crashing at either
brisk elk
@unreal hill but if scornful blood gives you a shitload of single target dmg it might be worth
abstract summit
Low life is amazing for dot chaos bolts, unplayable for chaos bolts mana stacker...
i mean it's not unplayable, you just dont reaper. which is annoying to redo your crit around AND scornful gives you basically nothing during mapping so what's the point...
ye, uber
unreal hill
<@225931843671687168> but if scornful blood gives you a shitload of single targe...
That might be my issue im doing sustain rather than leech
kind forge
honestly idk ... im gonna use it lel
using rip blood and marrow shard combo rn and its kinda good
gloomy crystal
you guys are taking scornful for damage, i'm taking scornful to not heal myself and delete my ward generation, we're not the same kekw
kind forge
flay is probably better but then you dont get the free sustain
abstract summit
wo reliable scornful uptime no reaper form is strictly net negative damage
kind forge
might try it when i get flay unlocked
abstract summit
now if rip blood ward gen is shit it's a different conversation lol
speaking of which somebody please confirm rip blood ward gen is OP 😄
tall mural
I would but Im trying out the new chaining node
gloomy crystal
idk if it's op cause i have a few ward gens stacked on top of eachother but i'm constantly at 2k ward in combat and i just got to rooftops (level 55)
kind forge
now if rip blood ward gen is shit it's a different conversation lol
it is
well
it is if your self casting rip blood
if your just triggering it 3000 times a second its viable
gentle fog
I just realized you can probably do something with these two if you convert AoD to cold or phys.
kind forge
thats litterally how warlock sustains
gloomy crystal
I just realized you can probably do something with these two if you convert AoD ...
yea, this whole chat has been theorycrafting bleed lich with that since the patch notes dropped
gentle fog
I just noticed it, lol. I'm working on bleed lich rn
abstract summit
idk if it's op cause i have a few ward gens stacked on top of eachother but i'm ...
i mean that's kinda good
kind forge
I just realized you can probably do something with these two if you convert AoD ...
to bad decaying form doesnt convert with aura of decay
brisk elk
i mean it's not unplayable, you just dont reaper. which is annoying to redo your...
Except chaos bolts heal you 10 per hit
So you will not be low life
abstract summit
So you will not be low life
hence we take corrupted
gentle fog
to bad decaying form doesnt convert with aura of decay
Why not? Has this been tested?
brisk elk
hence we take corrupted
Hence we grief
kind forge
because it isnt tied to aura of decay
abstract summit
on uber doesnt matter you aint getting hit 😄
gloomy crystal
then the build doesn't matter if you're not getting hit on uberroth, just perfect play for 3 hours with zdps zhp
gentle fog
because it isnt tied to aura of decay
I don't see what you mean.
kind forge
Why not? Has this been tested?
you would get a little benefit to bleed by the fact you convert bleed to poison so you have like 10% less bleed dmg ... but ye its better to keep aura of decay as poison because that 10% becomes 60%
brisk elk
on uber doesnt matter you aint getting hit 😄
Yeah but the only reason you go low life is for the defensive layer
jagged thistle
im enjoying bleed aura of decay on my harvester using the double bleed speed axe for leveling, just got to oracles abode before work
got the axe in a1
brisk elk
There's just no point
abstract summit
There's just no point
26% more damage on uber is literally the point 😄
brisk elk
Mana stacker literally does not need leech to be full hp perma
tall mural
Listen, the game is in a good spot, you can sweat as much or as little as you want.
jagged thistle
not sure if the move is to go butchers crown or carrion of creation though
gentle fog
you would get a little benefit to bleed by the fact you convert bleed to poison ...
You convert the bleed to poison so you take less damage due to your int stat tanking your phys res but not yourpoison res
abstract summit
tbf you one tap uber at 60M DPS same as at 85M DPS lol
we just wanted to see the maximum spreadsheet warrior number
brisk elk
26% more damage on uber is literally the point 😄
You can get rid of leech without being low life build, but low life build is still healing 10 per hit from chaos bolts, hence it's unplayable
kind forge
You convert the bleed to poison so you take less damage due to your int stat tan...
that is fair but it would only work for dot dmg
brisk elk
Anyways don't matta
abstract summit
you aint hearing me. im strictly talking about that 30 seconds of uber you spend in there
kind forge
so you would still hav e to care about your shitty phys resist from the stacking
gentle fog
That's fine, because AoD only does dot damage...
jagged thistle
anyone on right now running harvest as their main skill?
abstract summit
the CB HP keeps you in reaper, corrupted form makes sure you get scornful too
civic plank
That's fine, because AoD only does dot damage...
but enemies still do phys damage to you
brisk elk
Yeah we agree, defenses don't matter for uber
I want to be tanky for pushing corruption
kind forge
That's fine, because AoD only does dot damage...
just saying tho that the decaying form passive is alot more efficient if you keep AoD as poison and use it to block every other dot
abstract summit
you b l o w your load, exit the instance, then unspec corrupted foreva 😄
brisk elk
My point, though, is that even if you get rid of leech, you can still stay at full hp, so your defensive layers should assume health build
molten bramble
F my life I have like ascended 15 daggers and I still have not gotten traitors
abstract summit
My point, though, is that even if you get rid of leech, you can still stay at fu...
ye for generic purpose fo sho
molten bramble
but I did get axe and pale ox so I guess I cannot complain
kind forge
sorry
abstract summit
okay then get out
molten bramble
axe is insane btw
kind forge
200% bleed chance on harvest + 4% per int ... not 100% + 4%
brisk elk
Does converting cold or phys make harvest not get increased dmg from int
kind forge
only dex
abstract summit
no, it's in addition
brisk elk
Or is it in addition to the ailment
kind forge
Or is it in addition to the ailment
addition
abstract summit
Mike confirmed
brisk elk
I was looking at phys melee, the "Undisputed" axe gives some pretty nice stats
Might be a pain to get with lp tho
kind forge
any way to get a ton of attack speed to make harvest not suck? and also not be using the 2 harvest axes
brisk elk
I kinda want to try a meme build with the frenzy belt, but it would be like 30% increased dmg taken
Bro just play flay and proc harvest
Doubles ur hitrate
abstract summit
👀 it already started 👀
kind forge
fair but oof
abstract summit
dont tempt me demon
hearty sparrow
anyone using flay ? is it good
brisk elk
@kind forge which weapons were u planning to use
Eulogy of blood looks REALLY good if you take rip blood
More than doubles the ward you get from rb while also giving a bunch of bleed stuff
molten bramble
anyone using flay ? is it good
its is good
abstract summit
*with axe 😄
molten bramble
I swapped at 62ish
abstract summit
*focusing on CB triggers 😄
molten bramble
with no axe no traitors
kind forge
<@446018343460143104> which weapons were u planning to use
was just thinking about the meme bleed harvest + bleed aura of decay idea
brisk elk
I am wondering if it will be possible to sustain mana for melee/bleed without using executioners
Exe is so dogshit for anything that isn't necrotic chaos bolts
kind forge
I am wondering if it will be possible to sustain mana for melee/bleed without us...
just dont cost mana and you can sustain mana forever
charred ridge
56 flat implicit and it wouldve been perfect 😂
hearty sparrow
anyone killed uber
brisk elk
@kind forge consider that you lose a ton of aura of decay bonuses by not using flay as well
It's just not worth not going flay imho
kind forge
<@446018343460143104> consider that you lose a ton of aura of decay bonuses by n...
truuu forgot
charred ridge
anyone killed uber
top ladder is level 89 so you can take a guess
brisk elk
Quite honestly, direct cast harvest is probably more viable for melee than for ailment
While still being worse than flay
Lol
kind forge
<@446018343460143104> consider that you lose a ton of aura of decay bonuses by n...
your main dmg would be harvests bleed and aura of decay is just there to make selfbleed irrelivant and to debuff enemies more for their phys res
brisk elk
Your main damage would be 0 dps
kind forge
no it would be 1 dps uwu
brisk elk
Listen live ur dreams
But it will indeed be strictly worse than flay
I wish it wasn't so
brisk elk
Yes
kind forge
ok flay good
brisk elk
Flay casts cb which casts harvest
gloomy crystal
yes, flay casts cb casts harvest
brisk elk
That's why it's better
kind forge
Oh nvm
brisk elk
Unfortunarely
kind forge
then your mana just dies
kind forge
and you need dex stacking to get harvest but int stacking to get all your bleed related stats
hearty sparrow
top ladder is level 89 so you can take a guess
i know its very unlikely for anyone to kill her today since he needs 2lp items maybe some streamer or someone cheesed it
brisk elk
Makes harvest a subskill
hearty sparrow
last season heartseeker killed him with bleed with 1 lp but it took a while
brisk elk
That's why I was curious about mana
kind forge
100 int would give harvest 600% bleed chance uwu
brisk elk
I am wondering if it's possible to sustain mana for flay cb without using executioner
kind forge
1000% with 200
brisk elk
It will make melee and ailment way better if so
Maybe with bluefeather band
That might help
versed fox
lmao this is overtuned as fuuuuuuuuck
anyone else just melting everything with lich and blood rip
abstract summit
I am wondering if it's possible to sustain mana for flay cb without using execut...
no chance if you wanna seriously use it
kind forge
enemies would have -200 phys res and you would have 1000% bleed chance uwu
lots of dmg xD
but then you would also need dex to be able to trigger
from CB
brisk elk
no chance if you wanna seriously use it
I will be working on it but you may be right
I think bluefeather band might be the only way
Using exe griefs bleed and melee so much
abstract summit
4.5x18 mana from flay, 5.5x whatever rip blood costs
your mana regen at best is 30
brisk elk
Not 18
abstract summit
we aint taking less atk speed 😄
abstract summit
but okay lets say you take only 3 in deadly and the mana reduction
still ~70ish mana a sec?
assuming all CBs actually hit
which is what gonna f you during mapping
brisk elk
13 per cast, chaos refunds itself, rb is free
bleak badge
how wise would it be to use Marrow Shards & Rip Blood as my leveling skills?
abstract summit
under ideal circumstances, but in reality you flay into a pack, trigger 100 bolts, everything dies from the first 40 then you oom 😄
brisk elk
You would want to trigger as few chaos bolts as possible for melee
abstract summit
low damage might actually sustain mana better lol
brisk elk
Only enough to proc harves
bleak badge
im thinking of going into rip blood proccing marrow shards and the rest would go into heal
primal heron
how do you level lich this is a struggle
brisk elk
Oh easily more than 1 mil man
rancid sedge
You don't you level Warlock
brisk elk
The multis are huge
bleak badge
how do you level lich this is a struggle
that's what im trying to figure out as well
gloomy crystal
how do you level lich this is a struggle
wha? acolyte has one of the smoothest levelings possible, just go bleed
abstract summit
i did a calc for mourningfrosted melee with CBs
bleak badge
probably wont touch lich skills until level 30 or something
brisk elk
We shall see
primal heron
nah lich sucks early
brisk elk
What do you mean by early
gloomy crystal
if someone can get good times with lich and you say it's pretty shit early, it sounds like skill issue lololol
bleak badge
im trying to see if rip blood proccing marrow shards and bone splinters will tank me through the campaign
brisk elk
Like before level 4 early
?
Once you get spirit Plague and marrow shards lich is great
@abstract summit I'm gonna build melee eventually, there is absolutely no way 1m dps is even close to the limit
And I'm pretty sure melee will be substantially more durable, possibly better for high corruption mapping
Again, we shall seee
abstract summit
why would its survivability differ
brisk elk
Attribute stacking gives you like 75% dodge chance
No joke
And gear pressure relieved from mana can be put into other stuff
But mainly the dodge stuff looks very promising
abstract summit
nah you are spending it all on dex
my problem with dodge was where are you getting the % dodge from
brisk elk
Vitality
abstract summit
and wher are you getting vit from 😄
abstract summit
seemed very little
i mean im not saying it is unviable
the 1M was vs lvl100 not dummy
brisk elk
I'll finish my planner later
We shall see
Don't get me wrong the single target dps is nowhere close but I think it could be viable at least
abstract summit
viable for sure
brisk elk
The only thing that sucks is mana
Primarily
I think bluefeather is mandatory if u don't use executioners
Necrotic base is so troll smh
kind forge
isnt bluefeather bad
brisk elk
For most stuff yeah
kind forge
you cut your mana in half but you also cut your mana regen in half
brisk elk
You get +mana onhit from some stuff
kind forge
ig
abstract summit
Necrotic base is so troll smh
it kinda is lol
brisk elk
It may be garbage
If eulogy wasn't on that necrotic base it would be BIS for cold melee
gloomy crystal
dive bomb from the rift beast amulet just did a casual 135k dmg in campaign
bleak badge
are these 2 mutually exclusive or do you get more splinters?
nothing says they're mutually exclusive
but better ask
slim mason
rip blood sucks as a lvlling skill
brisk elk
@kind forge it's also really good for classes that have skill rotations
If you want to weave 3 0 cost skils you get some cool stuff
Like for spellblade or vk
They often do multiple cheap skills then a big one
slim mason
died to rift monsters as a lvl 20
brisk elk
So I guess if you wanted to flay and then harvest 3x it could be good
brisk plover
could someone please tell what this icon is for.
slim mason
minionstance
slim mason
that axe has a cd on direct harvest no?
brisk elk
We are specifically avoiding that axe
And trying to sustain mana without it
Because the axe is terrible for melee and ailment
slim mason
just have cb cast bone curse
brisk elk
Does bone curse give mana
slim mason
basically acol has mana sustain issues
brisk elk
Unless your mana stacker then you just use the axe and get a borzillion mana for free
molten bramble
basically acol has mana sustain issues
trick is not to over cast
1 flay kills a pack
just keep moving
slim mason
well rip can be mana neutrak
brisk elk
Guys I may be cooking with this bluefeather thung
molten bramble
I did not have mana issues with CB flay through the 60's
bitter heath
is it a bug that my Flay heals me to full life every time i use it, or is there something im not understanding?
molten bramble
CB has healing tied to the mana refund node
bleak badge
are these 2 mutually exclusive or do you get more splinters?
i probably could just test it and respec, but it'd be odd if nobody knew, right?
brisk elk
@abstract summit I'm kinda stupid but the obvious solution for melee
Is to only flay once per second
3 chaos bolts at a hundred dex procs all ur harvests
Then just harvest
More effort than mana stacker but it fixes the problem
slim mason
direct cast no?
kind forge
no
brisk elk
A 33% chance of a 40% chance to get 15 mana
kind forge
at least it doesnt say direct casts only like rip bloods one does
kind forge
lol
brisk elk
Those nodes need buffed
Why is it only a tiny percent
Should be 100% for mana if u get an orb at all
slim mason
thats a 10% per hit
kind forge
idk probably like 3 or 4 bones get thrown
slim mason
conditional prob ftw
brisk elk
still seems unlikely
and we are already starved for skill specs
we dont rly have room for marrow
slim mason
fissure is easier for sustain lol
slim mason
guess lock is still the king
brisk elk
nah
brisk elk
guess lock is still the king
you mean to tell me
the ailment class
is better at ailments
🤯
kind forge
well lich is better defensively at ailments kek
slim mason
or druid
brisk elk
@kind forge i dont think bluefeather is good for bleed but it is for melee
potent basalt
What happened to Flay Lich?
brisk elk
i will have to keep thinking baout bleed
sick forum
How the dinosaur summon so far i got the mats to buy it but idk if it's good
slim mason
mana starved
kind forge
<@446018343460143104> i dont think bluefeather is good for bleed but it is for m...
is it skill mana costs or is it skill costs
brisk elk
What happened to Flay Lich?
bleed good, mana stacker probably op, melee possibly garbage
sick forum
Is it good
slim mason
guess im effed either way
brisk elk
doesnt work for flay
kind forge
thought you might have been able to reduce the life cost of skills with blue flame at the cost of less mana stuff
but nah
they already thought of that
sadge
slim mason
hah
slim mason
flay will not be the onebutton solution like fissure
brisk elk
no seriously though i think i was thinking about it wrong
slim mason
sadge
brisk elk
you only need to flay once per second
for melee
harvest is actually higher damage
flay can proc all of chaos bolts' harvest
with one cast
and harvest gives mana back
slim mason
int for the cb/rb procs
slim mason
dex for harvest
jagged marten
How flay lich doing? Saw Maxroll dropped it a tier
brisk elk
@jagged marten idk
kind forge
yee those mana costs made flay massive bait
brisk elk
for bleed mana is a problem
for melee we might be ok
im cooking
for mana stacker its op
molten bramble
How flay lich doing? Saw Maxroll dropped it a tier
max roll is wrong pretty sure mana stack flay is S tier
its clear speed is insane
sharp galleon
man i love my abom despawning every time i click a passive tree node
fallen rose
Does mana regen scale with total mana?
feral jay
max roll is wrong pretty sure mana stack flay is S tier
Maxroll doesnt even have a build for flay lol, its the only one without any sort of planner linked to it last I saw
brisk elk
maxroll's lich guy is lizard irl
lizard irl plays hc
mana stacker is a glass cannon
so he wont play it
he will play death seal for the 800th time
because its good for hc
jagged marten
So look LEtools for some lich info, got it lol.
brisk elk
if you want to play mana stacker we got the juice here
if you want to play bleed theres some stuff on youtube
@abstract summit can i see your sheet for the melee calcs
if u dont mind
feral jay
can you link the mana stacker setup you're saying you have here? I'm on chaos bolts bleed rn looking to move over to flay and need some idea for how to make this work while I hunt a dagger/axe combo
abstract summit
dont even know if i still have the planner for it, but it was basically standard CB specced flay, full damage specced marrow harvest reaper, i even assumed hollow lich at that points, 150 dex, mourningfrost
heavy kernel
Any comment on the abominations arrow? Is it good?
abstract summit
700 flat on melee skills and still meh 😄
do definitely spec AOD instead of marrow tho
ah no the planner was still on maxroll so im afraid it's lost but it was kinda endgame
no doubt you can do better but it was clear from this thought experiment what our focus should be so then i never went back to it
brisk elk
700 flat on melee skills and still meh 😄
that might be a bit much lol, i plan to go for maybe 400 flat and invest in pen, crit multi, etc as defensive layer
upper turret
he will play death seal for the 800th time
I’ve never went lich in any season , is it not possible to run death seal & flay in late game?
brisk elk
i am still debating on the frenzy belt
brisk elk
I’ve never went lich in any season , is it not possible to run death seal & flay...
absolutely
death seal is turbo optional now
flay is a specific build
brisk elk
i mean
upper turret
Thanks for giving me hope
upper turret
I just mean having them together
brisk elk
yeah theres no anti synergy
upper turret
I know the farther you get into end game the more you want to hone in on one specific usually
upper turret
I just didn’t know if they flash for some reason or take up too many slots
upper turret
the only issue is having enough slots for all ur skills
Yeah this
brisk elk
well are u building for death wave
upper turret
That was my main concern
I’m literally just free styling it lol
Like I’ve done every season
brisk elk
or is death seal a defensive layer for you
upper turret
Guides hurt my head
I’ve pushed 350 corrupt I think at max
Just eye balling builds that seem fun
brisk elk
if you're building for death wave i would not go flay because you want to be able to spam direct casted spells
for marina's wand to apply damned to urself
opal prawn
is this just a straight up 20% mana cost increase atm ?
upper turret
if you're building for death wave i would not go flay because you want to be abl...
Yeah sorry that’s all lost on me LOL
upper turret
I have never used the skill
I just hear it talked about a lot
And since flay is new
I always planned to try it
Which is why I was gonna try to run them together , that’s all 😆
brisk elk
death seal has two components, the damage reduction defensive part, and the "wave of death" damage skill
abstract summit
I will make it even simpler. Jist dont spec death seal
Thanks for coming to my ted talk
upper turret
Ok thanks for the details!
I’ll run it for survivability aspect to pair with flay at first
Then once it falls off
I’ll experiment with wave
bleak badge
can low life ward maxing lich be a thing?
pallid grove
is aura of decay lich a thing atm?
brisk elk
can low life ward maxing lich be a thing?
yes, especially for cb ailments, but warlock is probabyl better at it
jagged thistle
is aura of decay lich a thing atm?
doing bleed harvest reaper rn, aura of decay with the axe that doubles bleed damage is... all of my damage with aura of decay
pallid grove
is it hard to keep the sustain?
jagged thistle
well, im toggling it on and off but not really, with all of the extra stack generation i max out at around 7 stacks and my sustain deals with it fine
once i get eulogy of blood it will be a nonissue since my harvests will trigger rip blood enough to keep me topped up, including the warlock dip for bleed overload rip blood bursts
max the node that gives resistance to the self damage and the smallest amount of sustain will counter it
versed fox
I'm experiencing a mild flaw with my setup - any suggestions for how to get bleed to bypass ward on yourself?
I see a node I can pick up in the future, so I can wait for a while, but I was hoping there might be another workaround
gaunt abyss
hmm im not sure what build i want to play with lich
civic plank
I see a node I can pick up in the future, so I can wait for a while, but I was h...
no, that node is the way. I don't know of any others
unkempt ridge
This shit looks so cool
gaunt abyss
This shit looks so cool
indeed, but need big health pool to not be one shot
unkempt ridge
Yeah, I'll probably invest heavy on defenses since this is just a mapper with aura and plague
versed fox
no, that node is the way. I don't know of any others
word, ty.
gaunt abyss
https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/chaos-bolts-lich-guide guess i will do this?
brisk elk
@abstract summit you dont even have to give up a chest slot i just realized
spell crit on ammy or relic has huge numbers
t7 spell crit on relic is up to 150
cyan ledge
Thanks for the support!
Most flays per second?
Just trying to get as close to teleport to pack explode next pack
brisk elk
entirely depends on ur attack speed but you also get reap
and flay reduces reaps cooldown
200% attack speed is very doable which is like 3.5 flays per second
surreal vector
does chaos bolt's cthonic aurora node's extra projectiles apply when u trigger it with flay?
cyan ledge
200% attack speed is very doable which is like 3.5 flays per second
Sweet- if that’s the case is there a consensus planner or direction I should go in if I’m doing attack speed and want as many procs as possible?
versed fox
I didn't realize there were THREE low-life enabling chests
brisk elk
new one is absolutely busted
i can only imagine how ridiculous bladedancers durability will get
now that they dont need ward ret
versed fox
I actually knew about that one
But it is extremely sick as well
the shroud of obscurity
I was walking around praying for an exsang
cyan ledge
well theres mana stacker, bleed and melee
I think either mana stacker or bleed- is there a rundown of the differences?
brisk elk
bleed easier to scale
mana stacker higher top end dps
and mana stacker doesnt have mana problems
but needs gear
versed fox
mana stacker is a bougie build
brisk elk
im finishing two planners rn before i even start leveling
versed fox
my build has been shifting around a lot
I got an early "all your minions go bleed crazy" chest with +39% health (thanks, nemesis) so I was stacking skeletons everywhere
jagged thistle
im yoloing bleed harvest without a planner then gonna plan out something legit with farmed gear
cyan ledge
Oh then I’d like to do mana stack if there’s a rough planner
slim mason
200% attack speed is very doable which is like 3.5 flays per second
It's not how many Flays but how many sustainable flay
brisk elk
It's not how many Flays but how many sustainable flay
for mana stacker, infinite
for anything else, like 1
jagged thistle
probably gonna do hit raptors with a rex for that
wait no, that shield that procs vengeance for... some reason
versed fox
we've got that really good 7pt node in the first tier that helps w/ mana
jagged thistle
we've got that really good 7pt node in the first tier that helps w/ mana
that node is hilarious with butchers crown
versed fox
everyone besides mana stacker will want to run that flay cost reduce node
versed fox
that node is hilarious with butchers crown
which one's that?
unkempt ridge
Am I understanding this right? I need 7% of current life drained per second for 1% more damage over time? seems pretty low.
jagged thistle
which one's that?
perma frenzy, no mana regen. life and mana on hit scaling with mana regen
versed fox
lmao
jagged thistle
im gonna use that and the uber abby ammy with perma haste because temporary buffs are for scrubs and i hate being efficient
cyan ledge
Is there a planner for mana flay?
modest escarp
Has anyone here tried the Leech -> Damage node? Scornful something?
versed fox
Am I understanding this right? I need 7% of current life drained per second for ...
5 points, so 5% DoT buff. Exsang alone gives you just about +15% DoT
versed fox
oops
brisk elk
and yes it seems low but you can get a lot of health drain
and its multiplicative more dmg
jagged thistle
yeah theres a lot more health drain now
don't forget about the random health drain on kill nodes
brisk elk
im sure you could reach 140% for 20% more dmg
unreal hill
Am I understanding this right? I need 7% of current life drained per second for ...
looks like you can get up to 28% health drained per sec which is 4% more dot damage.
Doesn't seem like a huge bonus, but it is multiplicative instead of added.
brisk elk
dude between exsang, gloves affix, last steps, passive nodes, etc its gotta be a lot
unreal hill
dude between exsang, gloves affix, last steps, passive nodes, etc its gotta be a...
exsang doesn't count as health drain iirc
peak hinge
i heard there is a bug on acolyte any info on that?
modest escarp
oh Scornful Blood just straight up doesn't work?
I'm still leeching
Oh wait unless that's life gain, damnit
unkempt ridge
Got it, thanks! 
modest escarp
I can't do LL with bleed CB/Rip Blood, cause I'll keep getting healed unless I convert Rip Blood to Necrotic, which would ruin the bleed part
unreal hill
scratch everything i said about gear the node sucks
I feel like more than half the nodes I got excited about on lich I only got excited for cause I misunderstood how they worked.
brisk elk
indeed
brisk elk
I can't do LL with bleed CB/Rip Blood, cause I'll keep getting healed unless I c...
rip blood isnt a huge amount of dmg anyways
most of your dps should be from cb
modest escarp
I'm trying to stack bleeds
brisk elk
if you are scaling missing health for dot for cb you kinda have to go low life
modest escarp
I'm trying to, I guess I gotta get rid of the life/mana gain on hit and cursed hit
brisk elk
with health drain +exsang, gloves affix, and last steps im sure you could get to low hp
ur flay?
or manual cast
modest escarp
manual cast for now, only level 42
using Shroud of Obscurity for now
I'd like to get into Flay though
brisk elk
you will very likely be better off going necrotic rb just for the ward
i think chaos bolts will be orders of magnitude more dmg than rb late game
modest escarp
I'll give it a shot
cyan ledge
for mana stacker, infinite
Is there a planner for mana anyways, even a rough one? I also hate aura of decay and would like to avoid it if possible lol
brisk elk
@cyan ledge one sec
jagged thistle
I feel like more than half the nodes I got excited about on lich I only got exci...
it happens
brisk elk
why do you hate aura its op
cyan ledge
<@224272381076570113> one sec
No prob!
brisk elk
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Q0kbpyPA max dps uber killer
stuck owlBOT
cyan ledge
why do you hate aura its op
Hard to see lol
stuck owlBOT
modest escarp
with health drain +exsang, gloves affix, and last steps im sure you could get to...
so if I'm trying to go LL, should I just skip the leech nodes altogether?
jagged thistle
I can't do LL with bleed CB/Rip Blood, cause I'll keep getting healed unless I c...
im at work but isnt there a node that disables the healing orbs entirely
modest escarp
@jagged thistle there is actually! It makes Rip Blood ping pong when it kills
brisk elk
so if I'm trying to go LL, should I just skip the leech nodes altogether?
if you go low life take scornful and hollow lich to get more dmg
jagged thistle
<@165150434023964672> there is actually! It makes Rip Blood ping pong when it ki...
wouldn't that solve your problem
brisk elk
@modest escarp you could do that if you dont need the ward from rb for sure
modest escarp
It would indeed, but the +ward WOULD be useful
brisk elk
are you gonna use architects of astral blood
modest escarp
I'll try the easier way first
That's the goal, yes
Although I tried to buy horns and just... lost the bones/petals and didn't get them
brisk elk
if ur going architects you do not need the ward from rb
you will be ward capped without it
jagged thistle
id love to run architects but exsanguinous is most likely necessary to prevent aura+the bleed reflect on harvest from killing me with all the attack speed ill have
modest escarp
That's fair, there's also those bleed gloves to consider
jagged thistle
That's fair, there's also those bleed gloves to consider
ima keep it a buck
no idea how to scale those
modest escarp
well like Mad Alch's Spoon has like 90% of two converted ailments each, so that's +180% right there
but honestly I'm so clueless about this game, no one should listen to me about anything
jagged thistle
morditas is 500% frostbite
but i think ill get more mileage out of not those and just running something else
like idk salt the wound
arctic grotto
Dread Shade no longer giving auto crit sucks now against boss fights, not to mention the blind fury penalty of -50% crit chance yikes.
jagged thistle
i'm pretty sure you could take no nodes, and spray everything south of empowered down with chaos bolts and be fine
raw holly
How do you sustain mana on flay? -_- I got t6 attack speed on weapon, and now my mana is nonexistent...
I'm thinking about just playing with aura of decay + wandering spirits and fully investing in these, simply because these have 100% uptime compared to flay which just deletes mana...
modest escarp
so the Blood Tether node doesn't seem to get changed by the Necrotic conversion
jagged thistle
so the Blood Tether node doesn't seem to get changed by the Necrotic conversion
blood tether is its own subskill
modest escarp
Nice, so I can still benefit from that
novel current
it's not worth the gold but imma do it anyways
jagged thistle
well its damage scales on your bleed stacks so, yeah you definitely want that
obtuse quest
morditas is 500% frostbite
Melee only, doesn't work for non-melees like AoD.
jagged thistle
Melee only, doesn't work for non-melees like AoD.
i'm harvest
AoD is supplementary
though uh, taste of blood is pretty silly with aod
novel current
bruh why does the build use warlock stuff if it's necromancer
jagged thistle
bruh why does the build use warlock stuff if it's necromancer
you can take both
novel current
so confusing and now I'm out of gold to respec
obtuse quest
though uh, taste of blood is pretty silly with aod
AoD doesn't hit?
novel current
guess I'll quit
modest escarp
I never noticed in the CB tree that the Red Tundra node increases physical DoT
jagged thistle
AoD doesn't hit?
novel current
you can take both
yeah but you can only master one
jagged thistle
yeah but you can only master one
... ahuh
novel current
whatever I'm sticking with warlock
obtuse quest
Yeah, but I don't know why you said it's silliy with aod when you're harvest.
jagged thistle
Yeah, but I don't know why you said it's silliy with aod when you're harvest.
so, if you bind a skill to a second button, you can use it while aod is active
aod applies stacks quickly enough that the juiced speed from taste of blood doesn't hurt stack count too bad
obtuse quest
Unless you're running something like blood tether stack count doesn't matter that much?
jagged thistle
i am
obtuse quest
Bleed overload only needs 30.
Ah
Wait
Then isn't your damage spread apart?
You need to scale both spell, dot, and melee?
jagged thistle
its all physical and dot, the bleeds are my damage, the tether is additional sustain to take the edge off of aod since im running reaper
modest escarp
oh Lich has built-in leech, unfortunate
jagged thistle
the attacks from harvest are just hits
that also apply bleeds, speed up bleeds, once i get eulogy theyll toss out rip bloods for additional sustain
and bleeds
also rip blood is funny when you spray a bunch of them out now
jagged thistle
oh Lich has built-in leech, unfortunate
death seal is gonna be your friend
modest escarp
@brisk elk if I've got enough points in Warlock to get that leech (2% of all damage, 2% more for cursed), should I take those nodes instead of the Lich ones, so those are only spell damage?
jagged thistle
its generic
slim mason
Use that leech for ward gen no?
slim mason
Since we are taking pem lll
jagged thistle
lich has a perma ll node
brisk elk
ur bleed right?
modest escarp
Yes
brisk elk
@modest escarp
jagged thistle
but i don't remember what your goal is so idk if thats useful
slim mason
Yah leech to health than exsang does the rest
jagged thistle
Yah leech to health than exsang does the rest
im just thankful eulogy and exsang come from the same tl
brisk elk
the only warlock nodes you really should take are the more dot, bleed overload and rip blood autocast imo
maybe the int -> mana if you need mana
slim mason
the only warlock nodes you really should take are the more dot, bleed overload a...
The curse mana regen
brisk elk
leech is like a tertiary dmg scaling vector for you, i would no prioritize it
modest escarp
the only warlock nodes you really should take are the more dot, bleed overload a...
Yeah that's all I have rn, that's 15 points, so I could take the generic leech without spending anytthing more. I figured 4.5% of everything was better than like 4% of spell
slim mason
And int
brisk elk
dont reccomend it
modest escarp
Ok, just enough for the leech -> damage nodes then, maybe get the increased dmg (that's tripled at low life)?
surreal vector
is there any point in investing more than 1 point in this node if u have over 200 mana?
obtuse quest
is there any point in investing more than 1 point in this node if u have over 20...
alt text! more mana= more bolts
slim mason
And 20 mana for cb and 13 for flay
brisk elk
@modest escarp you will be dual wielding right
modest escarp
Yes
slim mason
Cb should be free since you are getting 2 mana per hit vs cursed
So we are back to sq 1..dustainining flay 13 mana
brisk elk
@modest escarp flay chaos bolts bleed?
modest escarp
<@165808468618379276> flay chaos bolts bleed?
just CB for now but yes that's the goal
I am also vexed that I am still leeching when I cast CB/Rip blood despite removing all the leech nodes and getting the "health leech -> damage" node, and rip blood's health is converted to ward
Like has anyone here used that node and confirm it works?
(Scorned Blood)
obtuse quest
I am also vexed that I am still leeching when I cast CB/Rip blood despite removi...
rip blood heals, not leech
cb has a heal node as well
modest escarp
Yeah I removed the heal node and converted rip blood
I think it's something on my gear
stuck owlBOT
brisk elk
^this is what i think is important
obtuse quest
health on hit?
brisk elk
you may want more int later but i would start here
again i would not prioritize leech whatsoever
its a bit of extra single target dmg but its only as good as the rest of your build
slim mason
Int and dex/vit ?
brisk elk
idk if those are worth passive points for bleed unless you need to hit red ring threshold
slim mason
Flay is melee
brisk elk
actually i would take the three points in reaper just because
its free
dodge
like 10%
maybe
slim mason
Yah
ocean ivy
man, i'm working towards the new flicker/flay build...was not expecting to enjoy this bleed righteous fire/aura of decay instead
slim mason
Passives aren't that cut and dried like before
stuck owlBOT
brisk elk
^bleed passive tree
drowsy anvil
Is it any useful now for heavy pet builds?🤔
slim mason
It's tough going
modest escarp
If you take the healing+ nodes on the left side of Rip Blood, will those benefits convert to Ward as well?
brisk elk
yes
modest escarp
ok now I just need to find what's healing me on kill 😭
sand minnow
what's the temporal sanctum levelling skip path? when do i go to monoliths
obtuse quest
ok now I just need to find what's healing me on kill 😭
Chalice?
Since you're bleed.
slim mason
Since no julra key
sand minnow
i did it last cycle start, i just dont remember when i did it
i farmed for julra key in monos
slim mason
That flower?
modest escarp
Yes
obtuse quest
Hmmm, nothing comes to mind so far then
kind forge
i just noticed they buffed AoD
slim mason
Yah working towards the ebola aura
kind forge
bleed has 75% added effectiveness when the reveal had 30 ... and frostbite has 100% when it used to have 40%
modest escarp
@brisk elk with this build plan, you only have 15 points in Acolyte
stuck owlBOT
modest escarp
Oh goddamnit Blood Tether is converted the Damned %
slim mason
Well u converted rb to nec
slim mason
So it's cales to damn
modest escarp
Yeah I'm not confused by the concept, I'm just dismayed I missed it before
slim mason
It does say on the description
modest escarp
alt text but yeah
slim mason
Only thong that doesn't convertt is mana arc in mana strike
Sadge
Cold mana strike and you still shoot lightning
drowsy anvil
Abomination devours only standard skeletons. Shouldn’t it kill and consume any type of summons used to summon him?
modest escarp
Hmmm, nothing comes to mind so far then
I didn't notice the "CB refreshes curses on hit" also heals on hit per curse.
(I also loved that node, very convenient)
modest escarp
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QbRaWDbQ
Thank you very much for your help
obtuse quest
Abomination devours only standard skeletons. Shouldn’t it kill and consume any t...
It eats only the ones from summon skeleton and summon skeletal mage by default
drowsy anvil
Here! I used golems and mages to summon it, but can easily summon them back and have them alongside with the abom🤔
obtuse quest
It now doesn’t consume most non-skill based minions
drowsy anvil
It now doesn’t consume most non-skill based minions
It doesn’t consume death knights afterwards
Nor golems
Ok, it consumes golems
But yet not the death knights
dense surge
what is the node for bone golem absorbing archer?
modest escarp
@brisk elk Putting 3 points in Hollow Lich for like 6% increased damage seems like a huge waste
quick zinc
First lineage completed, decent rolls too!
modest escarp
Damn, very nice
brisk mantle
is there a reason why Flay doesn't work with left click binding?
raven rock
Flay rocks
keen plover
Last season I played Wrongwarp Warlock, anything similar thats looking good this season?
slim mason
Flay rocks
No...flay slays not catching strays
raven rock
lol
drowsy anvil
Does it mean it applies more dots on itself?
raven rock
how do I figure out what my dps is for it though?
slim mason
Dummies?
obtuse quest
how do I figure out what my dps is for it though?
Dummies.
slim mason
Sike
obtuse quest
Damn ninjaed
raven rock
in arena area right?
slim mason
Yes
raven rock
what damage type did everyone go for flay?
drowsy anvil
Does abom consume standard mages if used for its summon? Can someone test?
civic plank
you mean regular Skeletal Mages? yes, it does
I was pretty sure, but I went ahead and summoned some to check
drowsy anvil
you mean regular Skeletal Mages? yes, it does
Can you try same but with death knights?
I feel like it’s a bug
civic plank
sorry, I don't have mages speced
dense surge
what is node that alow bone golem to absorb archer skeleton and get their properties?
drowsy anvil
what is node that alow bone golem to absorb archer skeleton and get their proper...
None? If nothing has been changed in this season
obtuse quest
what is node that alow bone golem to absorb archer skeleton and get their proper...
None. That’s abom.
dense surge
None. That’s abom.
thank you
radiant vessel
so I just discovered if you continuously give attack orders, the abom wont eat resummoned minions for HP. I don't know if this is actually useful for anything but has been fun for my zoo vibe building
warm lake
is there any leveling builds for flay lich rn ?
obtuse quest
The moment your max minion count changes abom sucides
drowsy anvil
The moment your max minion count changes abom sucides
☕️🗿
surreal raft
is there any leveling builds for flay lich rn ?
prob not because you need 35 points into lich to get flay
desert coral
Any good leveling guide for lich?
drowsy anvil
Any good leveling guide for lich?
Level up as necro respec to lich?
desert coral
I already spec into lich 😭 forgot can respec
civic plank
I followed an old-ish lich leveling guide from max roll, just before the patch and felt like it was pretty smooth. if anything, it should be better post-patch
warlock might be better, but I feel like people severely overstate how hard it is to level as lich
surreal raft
warlock you can have trash blues and level fast asf
valid crow
Spirit plague is a pretty easy leveling skill
pure mantle
thoughts on flay so far?
surreal raft
i feel like most people havent even gotten to play flay yet lol
need alot of gear and levels
obtuse quest
warlock might be better, but I feel like people severely overstate how hard it i...
It was pertty mid before rip blood changes tbf
Now it’s a bit more closer
wary palm
Playing attack bleed build, lvl48. I have the strong impression Flay is highly gear dependant and we should stick to Harvest + Bone Curse (Signet of Agony) until at least being done with early Monos
Anyone having a similar experience?
dense surge
how to play abomination? you summon bunch of minion then summon it and dont worry to feed it again or you have to feed it every time?
pure mantle
yeah thats kinda where im at, flay is too hard to change to. rip blood and bone curse is owning though
civic plank
how to play abomination? you summon bunch of minion then summon it and dont worr...
you pretty much don't have to feed it anymore. I'm trying to get the set shield with resummon chance to see how it works with 100% resummon skeletons, but honestly, it's probably completely unnecessary
valid crow
For Abom, I'm messing around with it now.
Skeleton resummon chance is an easy way to hit 20 skeletons of your type. Need to have a minimum number to give the skellies chance to respawn
Dread shade + Infernal shade
obtuse quest
how to play abomination? you summon bunch of minion then summon it and dont worr...
You only need to do that everytime you die
civic plank
(or if IT dies, but it pretty much just doesn't)
valid crow
I'm experimenting with ward on death volatile zombies, mana on death skeletons, but if the abom kills less than all of the skeletons at once, he starts spending more and more time consuming and less attacking
Dunno which is better between the 2000% recurve arrow and stomp for single target or clear
obtuse quest
I'm experimenting with ward on death volatile zombies, mana on death skeletons, ...
My man is trying to solve the problem wraithlord couldn’t
civic plank
I'm liking the recurve arrow and double strike. I've been running all 3 summon skeleton types, but I think Rogue isn't pulling it's weight and was going to drop it.
radiant vessel
I'm experimenting with ward on death volatile zombies, mana on death skeletons, ...
idk if this is worth the micro, but I found if you input an attack command, the abom wont eat until after he executes it
so if you spam attack commands he never eats
valid crow
I didnt make a minonmancer to press buttons
radiant vessel
yeah it truly flies in the face of minion builds
civic plank
I wish he would only eat when he's below full health.
obtuse quest
I wish he would only eat when he's below full health.
But then there would be no downside