💀┃acolyte

[charred ridge]

i thought it was about the belt

[ashen bluff]

180% melee leech with 80% of that leech draining an enemy with the belt

[charred ridge]

the thing about the belt is that scornful isn't such a big chunk of dmg in comparison, but hollow lich is

so you could almost use the belt without scornful but of course since the belt doubles your damage taken it's not like you're building for survivability anyway

[lost gale]

safe to say that leech-drain stuff won't be a hardcore build I think

[ashen bluff]

I dunno ppl tried to play hs rogue in hc

least with acolyte you have options for defences

[vivid ruin]

Why? You can proc plenty of sustain elsewhere. CB/Reaper.

[urban dust]

@rigid wyvern
#🎥┃video-shoutout message
in your video at 5:45 mark you say "and it also gives us 20% more damage", but this is only for enemies affected by plague.
Did I miss any sources of plague other than AOD that you may use at some point?

[lost gale]

the staff itself gives plague on hit

[urban dust]

oh

[brisk ferry]

I'm sad that harvest doesnt gain damned chance per INT

[urban dust]

I'm a dummy, disregard my message 😄

[lost gale]

does abomination have more or fewer straight damage multis to ailments in 1.3 than 1.2?

I'm wondering if plague on hit idols with Abom aura of rot will be a real build

[obtuse quest]

You’ll need to be outputing quite a bit of chaos bolts since the drain scales over time.

[ashen bluff]

can just treat reaper form as like a now and then buff button

[vivid ruin]

77/second. Seems like it should sustain fopr a mono. Not that reaper falling off is death. Can just move away and recast it. I remember doing full monos on poison styg lich with fcuckall leech and much slower than flickerstrike.

We will find out.

[ashen bluff]

esp cos of the cd reduction on flay

[vivid ruin]

I'll be sad if I lose hollow lich. It's HUGE damage and i'd have to change all my gearing to remove all the leech 😄

[ashen bluff]

wait the only one primordial limit applies to sealed crafted items too?

[vivid ruin]

Yes.

I dont think many builds will be T8ing.

[ashen bluff]

ugh that sucks can't even have unique with it

sure they're an extra sealed mod on a rare so that's really strong for that item but not like you can slam em for LP in that case so having to choose between a giga rare or a build enabling primordial unique is kind of a downer

[vivid ruin]

wurd

I wish I could have T8 mana on my armor. But the relic is too good.

Both would be nice.

[ashen bluff]

I thought we were gettin some endgame giga crafteds

[zenith current]

There is no necrotic dot minion, is there?

Only thing is damned on hit or hungering souls death knights, is that it?

[lost gale]

yeah, abom has its own hungering souls from being made from skele mages but it looks like it sucks

and damned definitely sucks

by far the worst default damage type ailment

[ashen bluff]

hmm.. no t8s with primordial uniqs kind of killed my train of thought for dex stack lich

mainly cos trying to get mana and dex going w mourningfrost and least some CB triggers seemed the best way but the stats are getting quite MAD

[zenith current]

Does abom hungering souls even apply dot?

[topaz juniper]

Do new season warehouses need to be repurchased?

新的賽季倉庫需要重新購買嗎?

[lost gale]

warehouses? if you mean stash tabs then you buy them with gold same as ever and yes you start with the basic stash again

[zenith current]

You mean stash tabs? Yeah those do need to

[topaz juniper]

Thanks

謝謝

[ashen bluff]

god when will the stash order be remembered by the game

let me just set it up and then unlock em

[left whale]

I need aug 21st

[topaz juniper]

I hope he arrives soon, as there are many tests that need to be carried out.

[lost gale]

big He Jiankui energy to this statement

[charred ridge]

at least we have copy paste now

[ashen bluff]

yeah but with how there's just more ways to filter stash stuff now the setup is gettin quite tedious

[vestal abyss]

did they nerf stygian coil lich?

[lost gale]

not clear if it's worse overall but it's definitely different with the death seal changes.

[vestal abyss]

thats no fun

[obtuse quest]

No direct nerfs, but yeah death seal got changed

[primal remnant]

Am I the only one trying to build around the newly 100% chance for summoned skeletons to revive after 3s with skills like sacrifice/profane skeletal mages/marrow shards/other ? Seems noone is showing any interest in this

[slim mason]

only as fodder for mage boom>?

[vestal abyss]

I've seen people talking about some flay lich thats a hybrid melee caster i guess? Is that a viable option for controller play? As in does it have auto targeting etc?

Because that was the best QoL about stygian coil imo

[primal remnant]

well that's one option at least

with a solo mage with death seal on top for 350% more damage/crit chance

[slim mason]

but then the same can be said for zombies no?

[lost gale]

I've been looking mostly at infernal shade pop on them

[primal remnant]

you can have 100% revive only with 1 zombie, or did I miss something ?

[lost gale]

if you use two rings then you get 100% with two zombies, 66% for the third, 50% for the fourth

it adds up to a lot

with your skeles dying and spawning new zombies 30% of the time too

but I'm interested in trying without zombies

you have to use an exalted shield for 100% skeles or two rings for zombies, but you only need a T5 set affix to hit 100% so you can have like T7 block chance with a high block effectiveness base maybe or T7 all res

[primal remnant]

yep

with skellies you gain mana/ward on death as well, but maybe there is a similar stat on zombie ?

[lost gale]

zombies can heal you for 0.8% of their life as health or ward on death (health scales with healing effectiveness but ward does not)

skellies are 75 ward per death & 15 mana if you spend 7 points on that in the skeles tree

plus the 4 points in revive chance

[primal remnant]

and the rest for extra skellies and more life

[lost gale]

yeah

[primal remnant]

with enough points you can get 100% inc spell damage as a bonus

[lost gale]

I don't think that 100% inc is worth it

[primal remnant]

probably not, very last thing to pick imho

[stray minnow]

anyone know if upgrading a minions skill tree applies the upgrade instantly or do i need to resummon the minion?

[left whale]

With sekels death u can also proc zombies

30% chance

And 40% chance for sekel to respawn

[primal remnant]

oh ? how do you do that ?

sounds good

[left whale]

U make your skele mages to cast profane on your warriors which deals necrotic dmg to enemies

For each warrior death u get 40 ward, 15 mana, and 30% chance to proc zombies

If u get the right nodes

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Av6PjlRA

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (32) / Necromancer (75) / Warlock (6)

General:

▸ Health: 1,556, Regen: 22/s
▸ Mana: 1,064.78, Regen: 10.56/s
▸ Ward Retention: 417%, Regen: 382/s
▸ Attributes: 2 Str / 12 Dex / 67 Int / 2 Att / 6 Vit
▸ Resistances: 30% / 30% / 54% / 0% / 0% / 671% / 6%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 311
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (48)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 21% (811)

Used skills:

Summon Skeletal Mage / Summon Skeleton / Summon Volatile Zombie / Summon Bone Golem / Dread Shade

[primal remnant]

didn't know the 30% node on zombies, might add that to my build after all

[lost gale]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BO6O2yJQ
This is where I'm at

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Necromancer (93)

General:

▸ Health: 1,821, Regen: 22/s
▸ Mana: 122.51, Regen: 8.88/s
▸ Ward Retention: 117%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 34 Str / 11 Dex / 41 Int / 11 Att / 28 Vit
▸ Resistances: 34% / 34% / 34% / 13% / 13% / 102% / 41%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 30%, Threshold: 364
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (44)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 28% (1,279)
▸ Block Chance: 30%, Mitigation: 34% (875)

Used skills:

Summon Volatile Zombie / Summon Skeleton / Infernal Shade / Dread Shade

[lost gale]

idk if the primordial ring is worth it really

[left whale]

I think that ring is good

[primal remnant]

my own thing, that's fun 'cause we all use a different skill to use the ever-reviving skellies https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Q97R1EZo

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Necromancer (24) / Lich (54) / Warlock (15)

General:

▸ Health: 4,080, Regen: 22/s
▸ Mana: 249.51, Regen: 10.72/s
▸ Ward Retention: 237%, Regen: 256/s
▸ Attributes: 18 Str / 18 Dex / 113 Int / 18 Att / 21 Vit
▸ Resistances: 72% / 80% / 80% / 129% / 100% / 125% / 125%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 30%, Threshold: 898
▸ Dodge Chance: 3% (72)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 42% (2,370)
▸ Block Chance: 19%, Mitigation: 20% (245)

Used skills:

Ghostflame / Marrow Shards / Summon Skeleton / Aura Of Decay / Transplant

[primal remnant]

primordial feels pretty strong with sinathia's shield

[left whale]

Lol yea

[primal remnant]

hmmm i see that you don't pick the nodes from necro passives for skellies to revive ? You're just manually re-summoning them ?

(that's my first time experimenting with reviving things so I must miss some interactions)

[left whale]

Yea

[dusky tulip]

so what can i do with this

[left whale]

There are nodes gives u extra dmg while at low life

I dont play litch much

[dusky tulip]

too bad the flay node is capped

[left whale]

These nodes can help a little

[lost gale]

shitloads of ward generation up to your cap

your missing health is always at least as big as your ward limit

[left whale]

Ohh forgot about this

[dusky tulip]

equipping grim constitution is pretty funny too

[lost gale]

uh, but it's gonna be capped at 50% of your maxhp innit

[primal remnant]

20k health, that looks, em, big

[dusky tulip]

yeah but without the 50% node

[lost gale]

hasn't really had an easy way to enable it before, it's a very strong effect

especially for mana stacking flay/CB

[primal remnant]

well 10k ward and 10k health with 60% endurance seems fine as far as I'm concerned

[dusky tulip]

wish there were more things that scaled off sacrificing % health

[mighty tundra]

Does anyone here know what the best way to farm Fonts of the Erased are?

the weaver ring

[left whale]

Noice

[primal remnant]

picking the ww nodes in the weaver tree has been enough for me to drop tens of each copy of ww item before even hitting abberoth

[mighty tundra]

sweet, i need some beefy rings

they don't drop from cof prophecies right?

[primal remnant]

there was a specific prophecy for ww items, but I don't remenber whether it was limited to the armor prophecies or the jewelry ones as well

[lost gale]

I think you should use both bone splinters nodes in marrow shards, they stack, and shift some points away from stuff that only increases the damage of bone splinters or marrow shards to nodes that work for both of them

[obtuse quest]

They do

[obtuse quest]

You do, it also rechecks in a zone change

[obtuse quest]

The hell are you cooking

[mighty tundra]

alright thanks guys

[umbral garden]

Regarding abom melee setup, isnt it worth it to put points into stomp instead of the CDR nodes? Seeing as you get just under 100% cdr from idols anyway? I still would not sac more than 1 golem

[lost gale]

100% CDR = cooldown takes half as long

it makes things cooldown twice as fast not have 0 cooldown

[umbral garden]

I understand, but still

a little more cooldown? or an extra ability that hits like a truck? it's a hard choice for me

[lost gale]

idk then, I'd probably go for the wraith attack rather than stomp tbh, it will scale better with dread shade

maybe stomp is actually better but idk

[umbral garden]

Yea for sure, but it doesn't work well with the aura of decay - phys setup

Appreciate the input, just trying to get some opinions

seems like people are not looking at Eternal arrow anymore?

[primal remnant]

they stack like you get two blows of splinters ? well that sounds solid

[lost gale]

yeah but each splinter is aimed a bit differently, you won't always get multihits but you'll be hitting more overall

and you'll need more points in the +speed/range for splinters node

if you're going 5/5 and 1/1 in the reduced range stuff

[mighty tundra]

Does Decrepify's "target takes 15% more damage from damage over time" go into the same bucket as pen/shred?

[lost gale]

nope

it's entirely its own thing

[mighty tundra]

Where do i put it in the damage calculation?

[primal remnant]

actually I considered splinters more as a bonus, as I don't think the crit buff from ghostflame applies to them

[obtuse quest]

Literally it’s own multiplier

[mighty tundra]

so along with the other more multipliers?

[lost gale]

you just multiply your dot damage by 1.15

it's always going to be exactly 15% more dot dps

[obtuse quest]

Yup

[mighty tundra]

Thanks both.

man decrepify is great

[plush loom]

How does the ethereal revenant work for acolyte tree? Can you build for minion regen or leech to keep it alive? or is it an increasing degen where it will eventually die similar to lich form?

[left whale]

They do have their own leach nodes

[lost gale]

there's generic minion leech on the necro tree which should help but it will 100% die

it'll be back very soon

[plush loom]

got it thanks

[left whale]

Hmmmmm

Can abom devour t rex?

[limber berry]

I don't think so?

[lost gale]

it should only devour the kinds of minions you make it from now

and it can only be made from some kinds of minions

[limber berry]

No. The abom skill lists the minions it can devour

[old hull]

I like the lore of "the abom remembers" since it implies the abom is sentient in some way lol

[lost gale]

implying the amalgamated tortured souls in the abomination aren't controlling it by committee

[strange gulch]

@ashen bluff you got planner for that sword catcher frenzy belt build? i was doing a cook in primalist, and its good, but i think acolyte potentially can squeeze more damage because of the leech mod which primalist cant get due to overleech not being a thing anymore outside acolyte

none of the skills looked very good to me tho in terms of dmg compared to earthquake

[ashen bluff]

I'm not using sword catcher

and no real planner as of yet, just a check on how much leech is there

[strange gulch]

Before i realised they had bugfixed out overleech, i calculated approx 214% leech on primalist (you'd get more on acolyte)

Using woven flesh and doom rings and stuff like that

[tender ridge]

is this where we find out that assemble abomination is actually some type of fungus? mycelia colonies have been shown to store information in a rudimentary form

[old hull]

Soul fungus I guess lol

[mighty tundra]

I mean i store information in rudimentary forms also, does that make me a fungus?

[old hull]

Yeah, sounds right to me

[tender ridge]

yeah

all becomes fungus

[mighty tundra]

yeaaah boi i'm a fungi (my original message didn't send because i swore lol)

[lost gale]

did they make it so that low-life mods don't enable overleech anymore? I didn't see that in the patch notes

T1 4% of current health lost should let you overleech

[strange gulch]

Yea its in the bug fixes section

[old hull]

Yeah

[lost gale]

oof

[strange gulch]

Before the drain would be the last calculation step on every frame as to what your HP is so youd never reach full health

I guess they change that and moved it forward

[ashen bluff]

we got a fix for that

[lost gale]

ah that sucks

overleech was fun

well, that's a reason to go corrupted form and keep leech I guess

[ashen bluff]

Yeah go corrupted

[strange gulch]

Yup, i dont feel liek theorycrafting on acolyte but id like to see what other people do with the belt + corrupted form since acolytes can actually make use of the belt fully

[mighty tundra]

wait

no more overleech with health loss?

oh boy

that tech was so fun

[old hull]

Right, it's one of the reasons corrupted form is so strong for health based lich

[mighty tundra]

just gotta wait until a unique is put into the game that lets other classes have it again

[lost gale]

regen/vessel looking real nice for primalist in particular even after the nerf considering the death of overleech

[ashen bluff]

I don't actually know the dmg scornful does it says drains every 0.25 seconds but is that like.. the relative portion of the total 3s leech?

I'd assume, anything else would be silly

[strange gulch]

Dont bother calculating it like that

Just imagine leech as a static damage number, that is dealt over 3s

If you got 1% leech you deal 1% more damage (if you have 100% of leech dealt as damage)

[lost gale]

with the bonus that it's concentrated to a single target

[calm dome]

Leech rate would make the dps faster but total damage would be same though, right?

[summer goblet]

hey guys is the maxroll leveling guide a good one pls ?

[strange gulch]

Yeah exactly

Leech rate isnt really a damage increase for any prolonged fight

Increasd leech from woven flesh/null portent is though

[calm dome]

Why is it for those body armor?

Same wording as other increased leech rate

[lost gale]

they say increased leech not increased leech rate

if you look at that leech ends at 66% health node at the end of lich you'll see that they're separate affixes

[mighty tundra]

I'm happy someone else interpreted it like i did. It's a confusing node

[calm dome]

It literally says leech rate

[strange gulch]

Oh yeah my bad, not the null portent

[manic tapir]

minion army build viable now or just mid like always?

[strange gulch]

The woven flesh 3rd line

Thats an increase to all your leech, its not leech rate, its your leech %

[lost gale]

yeah my/our bad about null portent but it's a different stat available on some items

[strange gulch]

Yeah thats the same as woven flesh

[obtuse quest]

Better, but top meta unchanged

[lost gale]

increased leech rate is, imo, bad for corrupted form if you're not using the scornful blood/hollow lich tech

[manic tapir]

lazy build never gonna be a top meta. sadge

[lost gale]

without any leech rate you get ~3s of giga regen after you stop dealing damage, with leech rate you get much less than 3s of giga regen

[calm dome]

Yeah if you just want the overleech healing, cutting it's recovery time by more than half makes it have less uptime

[lost gale]

I'd take less leech rate if it was available

[ashen bluff]

damn your regen, we doing dps only

[mighty tundra]

how is that gonna affect scornful blood? It'd make it do its damage more quickly?

[strange gulch]

Do you mean increased leech or leech rate

[calm dome]

Yeah it would make the dps faster but total damage same per leech instance

[lost gale]

yes but also waste more damage if you're out of range (6m range) for any time

[mighty tundra]

leech rate

interesting

[strange gulch]

Itd make your more damage from leech apply faster

I dont think leech rate is good at all, idk any scenario youd want it, because leech is never balanced to your HP, youll always instantly heal back up

[lost gale]

that frenzy effect belt looks so strong but I'm sure the increased damage taken is going to lead to a lot of bad builds. Str stackers should have very good armor at least.

[calm dome]

I'm wondering about the interaction of scornful blood and drain life. Just another layer of dot damage I assume

[calm dome]

I was going to theorycraft with the belt till I saw that line being magnified by frenzy effect

[obtuse quest]

Pretty much

[cursive coyote]

hey guys i wanted to make a wraith build focused around the wraith lord and the aberrant staff if anyone can help let me know some ideas and stuff, but I'd especially love help with what my last skill should be (instead of wondering spirits)
My goal is to keep as many (unless bc of abom) wraiths alive as possible with crits!
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QdO3y61A

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (21) / Necromancer (72) / Lich (20)

General:

▸ Health: 1,781, Regen: 139.68/s
▸ Mana: 635.51, Regen: 21.36/s
▸ Ward Retention: 223%, Regen: 12/s
▸ Attributes: 27 Str / 13 Dex / 58 Int / 13 Att / 45 Vit
▸ Resistances: 141% / 89% / 89% / 105% / 78% / 152% / 105%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 33%, Threshold: 356
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (61)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 23% (959)

Used skills:

Summon Wraith / Assemble Abomination / Summon Skeletal Mage / Dread Shade / Wandering Spirits

[cursive coyote]

still new to making my own builds too some ideas are very much welcome ty all either way!

[obtuse quest]

Why do you have dot damage and wandering spirits?

[lost gale]

your wraithlord is going to eat your abomination and skelemages

it will always prioritise summoning wraiths over eating non-wraiths over doing DPS with beams

mind you an abomination made of wraiths and a wraithlord would probably spend all their time summoning & eating wraiths

[obtuse quest]

You also do not have the 180 attritubtes to trigger redring’s damage reduction

[lost gale]

wandering spirits is pointless too

[obtuse quest]

I don’t even know why damned is in this build

[lost gale]

there are some hybrid builds but they're very niche and usually not great. You typically want to be scaling only minion or player damage

I don't know how the wraith cooldown stuff interacts with wraithlord

[cursive coyote]

sheesh i messed up a lot then oof, i didnt realize the lord ate them up i misread that, ill have to change that a lot. but i threw in dot just because of the passives. but from the sounds of it, if i run lord, i can only really use wraiths and/or skeletons that revive?

[obtuse quest]

Skeletons that revive would cause wraithlord to eat them whenever they pop up, and not fire it’s beam.

[lost gale]

the wraithlord is trying to keep 20 wraiths up with the aberrant call's health degen, I think it'll spend most of its time summoning and being resummoned as it dies won't it?

[obtuse quest]

Depends on leech and minion health regen amounts

Maybe it will have some openings to attack

[cursive coyote]

it would even with it summoning with echos inside and armies of wraiths?

[lost gale]

minion health regen is surely a dead route for necro given the generic minion leech available on the tree now?

[obtuse quest]

It just checks your wraith count.
If it is not in the max wraith count, it will try to summon more.

It will do these in this piority, if possible:
Eat any non-wraith minion > Summon wraiths if not at max > find an enemy to blast with their beam.

[obtuse quest]

Hey, you never know

[cursive coyote]

so what im hearing is call is not the play

the decay is way too much for it to actually do anything

[lost gale]

no I think the build is actually a nice idea

wraithlord keeping all those wraiths up

I think it could work

I'm just thinking about how to support it

call is mandatory for playing small wraiths in any capacity

well, sort of

[obtuse quest]

Here’s the thing:
wraiths already have degen health. Abbarant adds even MORE on top of that. So you need to really support that so they don’t just die in seconds.

[patent drift]

by the way while we are on the page of wandering spirits, do we have any viable WS builds now that the channeling got gutted a few patches ago? We even got a special unique for spirits that didn't move the gauge at all as far as I'm concerned when it comes to viability

[obtuse quest]

No info on WS iirc

[cursive coyote]

right, which is why i was really trying to grab crit and attack speed in their kits so they don't die easily, they might if anything need some ward as well so they can take a couple of hits

[obtuse quest]

Ward? The missing health to ward affix doesn’t work on minions, even through julra’s gloves. Leech is your only savior.

[cursive coyote]

hmmmm ok then, so then i know for sure i can replace the abomination with something else as well then

and def shade as if they needed more decay right?

[lost gale]

you could make shade limited to 1 only and not add degen then put it on the wraithlord itself

you can get tons of area now

[cursive coyote]

true! I didnt think about that

[lost gale]

you can get another +100% at 20 minions (and you should have 21 so that works)

total of 300% inc area should be enough

just don't remove the buff aura

I'm playing with your planner a bit

[cursive coyote]

yeah go for it, it was a very loose sketch anyway im trying to understand however how area means anything if it can only target 1 person?

or is it 1 person for no decay

[obtuse quest]

The decay/increased damage taken only applies to the one holding the shade.

[ripe fossil]

I’m planning on grabbing it for the bottom node in the first column of Lich. Has “tripled at low life”. Not sure if it’s actually worth but easy enough to test and respec out of if it sucks. I’m sure there are other “at low life” benefits, but I haven’t finished going through items and idols yet.

[obtuse quest]

The joke was mostly “10k endurace covered health lmao”

[ripe fossil]

Oh I wasn’t even looking at the stats rofl I’m dumb, sorry

[lost gale]

the way dread shade works is only the minion you put it on decays but minions within its radius are also buffed by many of its effects so when you put it to degen -> increased damage taken your wraithlord will become more fragile but won't degen as fast and the wraiths in the aura won't degen any more either way

so when you take that node you can only put one shade on, but the area buff still works

[cursive coyote]

oooh! I assumed it was throw it down area effect

never tested too much on acolyte but with so many changes i have to try it out

[plush loom]

Can i share my build im cooking here to get feedback? or is there a specific channel for that?

[cursive coyote]

that what i did earlier for help, so i don't see issue with posting it (unless its not acolyte)

[plush loom]

Ah ok, in that case can someone help to see if this looks ok? im planning to play bone golem bone shards necro. Just want to see if im missing anything obvious
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/ozvRP78o

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (21) / Necromancer (80) / Lich (12)

General:

▸ Health: 3,320, Regen: 24/s
▸ Mana: 141.51, Regen: 9.6/s
▸ Ward Retention: 249%, Regen: 132/s
▸ Attributes: 21 Str / 8 Dex / 119 Int / 8 Att / 44 Vit
▸ Resistances: 61% / 65% / 63% / 51% / 63% / 135% / 109%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 664
▸ Dodge Chance: 1% (32)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 55% (3,734)

Used skills:

Summon Bone Golem / Rip Blood / Dread Shade / Bone Curse / Transplant

[knotty cave]

Laser lich buffed?

[obtuse quest]

Changed, death seal got reworked.

[knotty cave]

Oh yeah duh

[obtuse quest]

Otherwise we don’t know y ET

[tender ridge]

it should still be good imo. a lot of the damage steroid power from death seal got distributed in the rest of the lich kit

[obtuse quest]

Other than not taking the movespeed node in golems, I don’t see a major issue here, pretty standard setup.

[plush loom]

oh i do plan on taking those, i just didnt want to commit for the full 25 points in case i dont get the +4 helmet

[obtuse quest]

Ah, if you planned for it already then yeah no ovbious issues I can see

[plush loom]

thanks

i tried this last patch, but the minion tether and AI was pretty frustrating. hopefully it feels much better this time

[ashen bluff]

if it works as they say it does it'll be great

automatically ahead of you where your cursor points, so good

[tardy juniper]

Hello guys, anyone have a theorized lich build for the upcoming patch?

[old hull]

Yeah, this is the #1 thing I've been asking for in terms of minion AI. Stoked, hopefully the implementation is effective.

[obtuse quest]

Which kind are you looking for?

[lost gale]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QDGzLp9A
This is probably quite suboptimal and could do with work but I think there's something here

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (21) / Necromancer (92)

General:

▸ Health: 2,996, Regen: 93.6/s
▸ Mana: 123.32, Regen: 13.12/s
▸ Ward Retention: 109%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 16 Str / 2 Dex / 51 Int / 2 Att / 25 Vit
▸ Resistances: 41% / 63% / 63% / 76% / 49% / 106% / 36%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 599
▸ Armor Mitigation: 18% (647)

Used skills:

Summon Wraith / Dread Shade / Spirit Plague / Infernal Shade / Rip Blood

[autumn bough]

play chaos bolt lich from maxroll, it was good build last patch still good this patch

[wintry flame]

everyone also risking rip blood sustain necro I see

[tardy juniper]

Hey, I was looking for something that dual wields now right? thats a new change for this season

[lost gale]

well this madlad was wanting to play wraithlord that summons 20 melee wraiths

[tardy juniper]

Thats great, would that work with the dual wielding added this season?

[lost gale]

and tbh I really like the idea

I doubt it's top tier

I haven't even taken a primordial on that planner tho

[autumn bough]

what? why would u dual wield on that build, its ailmets and that stafff is best for it

[obtuse quest]

Most likely some Flay variant, which we have.. like what? 5 different setups? Crit Physical, Crit Cold, Crit Necrotic, Frostbite, Bleed.

[tardy juniper]

Sorry, i dont know much about lich builds

[tardy juniper]

Thanks! ill look into those

[cursive coyote]

i noticed that yeah, but it looks interesting, basically grabbing all the buff minion stuff and using each and every one on the lord or the wraiths themselves with blood rip being that 'downtime' i might have

how come you grabbed invigorated dead though?

[lost gale]

flat damage & move speed for melee wraiths

maybe it's not needed but it seemed worth it

there's some move speed on the wraith tree and they're not that slow but every little helps for melee minions

[wintry flame]

I mean wraiths are giga

[dark inlet]

😂 💀

[rancid sedge]

whats the varient that spams chaos bolts via flay?

[pearl snow]

Don’t forget Poison!

[pearl snow]

A bleed version can do that. Also every Crit / Hit variant does

Mainly Crit versions spam CB

[forest mica]

Just checked out 1.3 tier list from Maxroll team, https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/abomination-necromancer-guide
I'm confused why they select this weapon 🤔

[pearl snow]

Its very comfy and an axe

Lich passives Axe gives 10% MORE dmg on that one node

[cursive coyote]

fair enough, i did want to ask though, does the wraithlord still consume my mana to summon them?

[obtuse quest]

Most variants do, because it's REALLY stupid to not use.

[lost gale]

I don't think so, but I actually don't know for sure

[obtuse quest]

No

[forest mica]

But the guide don't active that node

[pearl snow]

Oh its necro. Then its just for block

[obtuse quest]

Defensive, it's an axe that gives block basically

[pearl snow]

I didnt read the yrl

Url

[pallid plume]

Hey I want to check something with abomination.

Seen a few builds floating around that run 2 minions, abom then infernal and dread shade.

So you summon those 2 then abom and go with abom and 2 shades.

Does this setup work. Or for new abomination do you really want that 4 unique minion for movement speed node ?

Just trying to work out is this like a 5x dmg buff using 4 unique instead of 2 or is it more like a 30% dmg boost ?

[forest mica]

The defense is confusing to be honest... They use block + low health + endurance + more health instead of a complete low health set

Wait, this build have 99% ms?!

hah, that's crazy. -5% ms from the axe don't have any influence indeed

+11 levels of abomination from this set of gears...

Alright, it mean my abomination necromancer build selected wrong gears completely

[rancid sedge]

My head hurts trying to make builds I'll just copy someone elses

[wild sequoia]

Looking to create my own build to reach around 300-400 corruption.
Is there a list of clear benchmarks I need to hit with gear?
Example, resistance # should be around 100% due to enemies applying debuffs on you consistently (not sure if this is true)
or
you want a total of 3500K health pool (health and ward combined) in order to survive one shots and midigated crit damage to around -70%

I'm new and want to learn what makes a build strong rather than copy and paste meta.

[cursive coyote]

you and me both dude

[forest mica]

😵 I have no idea which weapon should I use in fact. https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/A1PKR2Zo
The wand is pretty cool but my build need flat minion melee damage instead of flat minion spell damage. But abomination necromancer just need flat minion melee damage

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (22) / Necromancer (81) / Lich (10)

General:

▸ Health: 3,518, Regen: 31.2/s
▸ Mana: 104.51, Regen: 9.6/s
▸ Ward Retention: 312%, Regen: 62/s
▸ Attributes: 8 Str / 8 Dex / 138 Int / 2 Att / 8 Vit
▸ Resistances: 82% / 74% / 72% / 92% / 98% / 102% / 108%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 34%, Threshold: 704
▸ Dodge Chance: 1% (32)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 44% (2,617)

Used skills:

Summon Skeletal Mage / Summon Skeleton / Assemble Abomination / Summon Wraith / Dread Shade

[abstract summit]

All of them XD

[forest mica]

But minion damage + intelligence + extra skill level bonus from that wand is juicy

[tall mural]

have we confirmed how drain lifes leech interacts with hollow lich? does it just boost the dmg by 30%?

[obtuse quest]

Multiple defense layers, near cap to resistances (65%+), actual Damage numbers (the dummy is more helpful for something like that), recovery of some sort, related defense (Eg: Frailty, slow and chill for defenses, Resistance shred, Armour shred for hit builds).

[forest mica]

That's quite tricky to select permordial unique item for abomination necromancer build literally

[obtuse quest]

You leech more = scourge deals more damage.

Old hollow lich didn't interact with drain life's and just disables it, and it's expected that it wouldn't change.

[wild sequoia]

Do people not use a movement skill with necro?

[lost gale]

what are hit based rather than poison rogues looking like?

[wild sequoia]

Very insightful, noted.
Is there a list of #'s I can use?

[forest mica]

Sometimes you don't need to master movement skills to use

[restive plume]

the nice thing about the corruption climb is that you can just adjust as you go

[abstract summit]

Is this purely a meme or it actually does damage? 👀

[obtuse quest]

That's harder to say, because it really depends on builds, each 'category' has their own targets.

[wild sequoia]

Excuse me?
So I can spec into a skill and not have it assigned to a hot key if I find a way to auto cast it?

[forest mica]

do you think the primordial unique item I selected is wrong? Or any better builds for using this wand? 🤔

[obtuse quest]

There's minimums for it to work though for something like health.
Eg: Health builds want to hit 3k health and ward just wants as much as possible lmao (6k+)

[obtuse quest]

Correct.

[dusky tulip]

100% grade A meme

[obtuse quest]

Skill procs don't care if it's on your hotbar/

[obtuse quest]

Nono, there's that one chaos bolt node!

The meme can work a decent amount!

[dusky tulip]

maybe in a year we get more max hp scalars

[wild sequoia]

Mind Blown.... the possibilities.....OMG!

[pulsar raven]

wait how does ailment conversion in this game work? If i had carrion of creation gloves (all ailments to bleed) and had flay specced to frostbite (chance to bleed from all sources becomes chance to frostbite) do i get a massive amount of frostbite chance, or still bleed, or something else?

[abstract summit]

Ye isnt that like a 10x multi on dots? 😄

[obtuse quest]

Welcome to Acolyte, learning proc mechanics is like acolyte 102

[wild sequoia]

where's my cert for barely passing Acolyte 101

[lost gale]

DOT damage per missing health on chaos bolt probably goes hard with that build

[forest mica]

Anyone have any better builds for using Horn of the Bone Wisp to bonus assemble abomination as the main attack?

[abstract summit]

Slap on ladle, t7 cast speed, direct cast chaos bolt, whatever dots blessings, that should be at least non zero damage lol

[obtuse quest]

All non-bleed becomes bleed, all original bleed becomes frostbite. No conversion chaining in LE.

[restive plume]

a single 3.5x multiplier probably isn't worth the investment it takes to get to 20k life 😅 but the memes are good

[obtuse quest]

There's a 7k setup that did this and murdered uberroth in 5 mins

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRdm41psQN4

It is REALLY funny.

[abstract summit]

Nonono it is a meme NOW but maybe we just need to season it 😄

[obtuse quest]

It's a meme that works if you're dedicated to it.

[restive plume]

that build has 13k less life lol

[obtuse quest]

Exactly.

Imagine if it actually had 20k lmao

(This is also like the only other lich build that killed uberroth with video evidence of some form)

[forest mica]

Do you have any builds for using Horn of the Bone Wisp to bonus assemble abomination as the main attack? @analog snow

The wand is pretty cool but my build need flat minion melee damage instead of flat minion spell damage. But abomination necromancer just need flat minion melee damage, that's where the conflict is.

My idea is use soul weave as the melee way.
Use evolution's end + Tyrant's Skull is the best way for more skill levels?

I'm doubt my life now because I have no idea how to use horn of the bone wisp in a minion build. I don't think this wand have zero potential.

[restive plume]

... it would be dedicating a bunch of affixes to memes instead of damage?

[obtuse quest]

The node makes it slightly less of a meme, so it'll probably work slightly better, since a chunk of the health stack the 7k setup uses is on idols, so we can use the primal slot for the one that boosts idol affixes. (and probably hit like 13-14k without much changes)

See: 2k max mana flay setups

[forest mica]

oh but it seems Kzb plan to play lich. Sad...

[earnest lichen]

gonna try it but we'll see

sounds fun

[obtuse quest]

I was never much of a necro player, except memes

[forest mica]

Do you remember what the nickname of a guy who have played a lot warlock when it's 1.0?

[lost gale]

have you looked into how hit/crit vs dot skele rogues compare?

[earnest lichen]

Zeckar give me your cooked rip blood build

[tall mural]

well that is lame

[forest mica]

oh. Skurge, yes it's him

[tall mural]

Blood Splatter in RB now just looks weird now that flay is on deck

[wintry flame]

it's not rip blood as a main skill, just risking it on some builds for sustain, because of buffs

[old hull]

Lethal con letting you double dip dread shade helps quite a bit imo

[wintry flame]

Poison > Crit at this moment

10-15mil dps on crit, 20+ mill for sure on Poison. Think all the variations tested this patch was like 6-7mil on phys crit, 9mil on cold crit, and 15mil on poison

[earnest lichen]

I see

[lost gale]

okay, the flat melee -> throwing had me wondering

[wintry flame]

yeah can't see the dps gains from that for phys

but conservative calcs were all about on par with in-game testing, the only worry now is survivability 😛

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (22) / Necromancer (81) / Lich (10)

General:

▸ Health: 4,248, Regen: 31.2/s
▸ Mana: 112.51, Regen: 9.6/s
▸ Ward Retention: 304%, Regen: 62/s
▸ Attributes: 26 Str / 12 Dex / 134 Int / 6 Att / 12 Vit
▸ Resistances: 92% / 84% / 82% / 102% / 108% / 116% / 122%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 34%, Threshold: 850
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (48)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 52% (3,358)

Used skills:

Summon Skeletal Mage / Summon Skeleton / Assemble Abomination / Summon Wraith / Dread Shade

[lost gale]

oh yeah the -phys res from AoD too

[wintry flame]

yupp

there's a lot I can't simulate atm so really curious when we get the builds going

[forest mica]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QbRnYapQ
😭 I have no idea how should I get more cold and physical resistance if I use Brewmaster's Buckle for more endurance, because I can't use low health to get ward from body armour, it seems I need Anchor of Oblivion for more endurance but then how to balance resistances is a big issue...

[tall mural]

yeah Ive though about doing necrotic for my rip blood build for more scaling

[wintry flame]

what do you need more res for?

[forest mica]

defense

they're lower than 75%

[wintry flame]

from what? they looked over capped to me

[tall mural]

Yeah I fully expect some of these new things to be hitting pretty hard, everything is always overtuned at launch

[forest mica]

Oh.. wrong link. This build is under dangerous because endurance is 34% only

[tall mural]

Man, I just cannot decide what I want to start with

[ripe fossil]

What are you between?

[tall mural]

It's more of an among situation xD, too many options

Most likely some sort of dot build to start, but I really wanna lean into self cast rip blood with that new chaining node

[forest mica]

Update: Oh I see how to solve that.
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BO6OkjWQ

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (22) / Necromancer (81) / Lich (10)

General:

▸ Health: 4,149, Regen: 31.2/s
▸ Mana: 112.51, Regen: 12.32/s
▸ Ward Retention: 304%, Regen: 62/s
▸ Attributes: 26 Str / 12 Dex / 134 Int / 6 Att / 12 Vit
▸ Resistances: 92% / 84% / 82% / 102% / 108% / 116% / 122%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 65%, Threshold: 830
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (48)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 50% (3,150)

Used skills:

Summon Skeletal Mage / Summon Skeleton / Assemble Abomination / Summon Wraith / Dread Shade

[forest mica]

I stack armour + reduce bonus damage from crit too much lol

[tall mural]

If something does from bleed inflicted by rip blood, that doesnt count as rip blood killing for the chaining node does it?

[old hull]

What can you not simulate atm?

Like clearing and area kind of stuff, I guess?

[peak haven]

Hello everyone, I'm theorycrafting a build for minion bleed, and i have some questions:

1. Does minion physical damage increase bleed damage caused by minions?
2. Does minion physical penetration works for bleed damaged caused by minions?
3. Does armor shread stacks works for bleed damages caused by minions?
4. Does bleed damage caused by minions count for physical damage caused by minions, so minions can leech from the DOTS they apply?
5. Does Minion damage empowers bleed damage caused by minions?

Thanks in advance.

[obtuse quest]

Yes,yes, armour shred never affects DoT so No, Yes, yes.

[peak haven]

So, no to everything right? XD

[obtuse quest]

[elder solstice]

i'm looking for a friend to play with on season 3 release 🙂 I've played a lot but i have no mates sadly

[odd spire]

What weapons can acolytes dual wield?

[winged temple]

Guys. Bone Armor can stacks?

[potent fable]

Axe and dagger

[odd spire]

it didn't used to be able to

[odd spire]

Letools just hasnt updated? I dont see the option to add a dagger with a main hand axe

[potent fable]

Did you take the lich tree dual wield node?

[odd spire]

thanks, thats it

[lost gale]

daggers & axes but it's lich only not all acolytes

[pallid plume]

I'm confused by this.

You got like 3 different minions + abom.

Is goal to clear with 3 minions and then drop and adom that consumes all other for boss dmg ?

Also has anyone looking at zoo style. Like is it actually viable now or will things still fall over if your not doing archamge / solo minion stuff ?

[autumn meadow]

Is anyone able to explain what Bleed Overload does from the Warlock Tree 'Cauldron of Blood'? I've tried having a look on LE Tools, but had no luck finding anything

[tall mural]

15% more phys dot to bosses and moving enemies

[autumn meadow]

Appreciate it!

[tall mural]

they really should add an overload section to the game guide

[autumn meadow]

It would definitely help people like me haha, first time trying to theory craft my own build; It's fun, but can be a bit tedious finding info like that

[tall mural]

I mean, I knew it did something, I still had to google it lol

[obtuse quest]

Tunklabs' buff tab has them

[tall mural]

Oh neat ty, they still need it in the game guide unless LEplanners version is lying to me

[obtuse quest]

Yeah it's nowhere else outside of the game lmao

[vital cave]

i cant believe they gave lich negative friggin ele res on passives

just making the difference between paladin and everything else that much worse

[obtuse quest]

For 7% pen? That's fukkin cheap tbh

Easy trade lmao

[lost gale]

it's basically flavour text

[twilit flume]

???? bro im going to be at 130% all res without specifically building any res how are you not res capped

[obtuse quest]

Paladin makes res capping easy as drinking water, but res capping isn't hard in the first place-

[lost gale]

yeah, res bonuses are basically the weakest benefit you can get with a mastery

see: shaman. Tons and tons of free res doesn't make shaman any less squishy

[obtuse quest]

It doesn't even cut of the important res that acolyte uses, necrotic res.

[modest escarp]

Is it feasible to level as Bleed for Lich?

[obtuse quest]

DoTs are always a better way yeah. Lich has some bleed support so most likely yes, espically with the new rip blood. (PRobably have to steal the bleed nodes from warlock though)

[gaunt abyss]

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/chaos-bolts-lich-guide#skills-header
im planing to make this build, he look kinda easy to make. even without the stuff
any advisces or changes you will make?

[hidden sable]

if you want to rp as a poison man yeah its a poison man build

but if your comparing yourself to literarly everyone else your going to be slow and have a sliver of the damage

[gaunt abyss]

i want to play lot of lich builds, and that look like a good place to start

[gaunt abyss]

why that?

[junior rampart]

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/planner/9mcka0qn

how bad mana will be on this ?

[obtuse quest]

Kinda bad. (SInce you're going crit anyway, why not Traitor's Tongue?)

[ashen bluff]

yeah I really don't get the amulet in this

[junior rampart]

yeah i forgot about that dagger 😄

[earnest lichen]

if I'm trying to scale bleeds, damage over time is better than physical damage right? or are they equal?

[gloomy crystal]

iirc if they are both additive, yes, 1% inc dot is equal to 1% inc phys

[earnest lichen]

thought so ty

[obtuse quest]

Equal. Pick the bigger number.

[ashen bluff]

you should also look at the new dagger Velocyn's jaw

[gloomy crystal]

idk if there's any world in which you'd use velocyn's on a dex melee lich over the primordial relic with idol effect

you won't get that far with dex on lich to warrant velocyn imo

[ashen bluff]

only thing velocyn scales from dex is ms

that's not why you'd use it, you have it for +4 dex skills, 16 dex and 40% pen for all resistances

[gloomy crystal]

that's funny cause traitor is also kinda +4 on most of his skills but gives 13% flat crit

[ashen bluff]

its a thing to consider, the new relic is kind of silly good tho

[gloomy crystal]

40% res pen is good if you don't run AoD int stacking, true

i had a wild idea with movement speed stacking wrongwarp + velocyn but it wouldn't go far

[earnest lichen]

does bleed still care about armor shred

[ashen bluff]

the nerf seemed to be intentional lol

[gloomy crystal]

never did

[tall mural]

I mean, 40% pen is always good even then, that;s still 40% more dmg

[earnest lichen]

gotcha

[obtuse quest]

Armor doesn't stop DoT, so no.

[gloomy crystal]

you can easily get roughly 150% phys/poison/cold pen with AoD on lich

[tall mural]

Im aware, but 40% more is still 40% more, it's gonna depend on what you need in that slot on your build

[gloomy crystal]

40% more is not 40% more when you have 150% already

[earnest lichen]

prepare for more dumb bleed questions from me for the next week or so

[ashen bluff]

wait you can't dual a wand and a dagger can ya D:

[gloomy crystal]

ofc you can

you can main hand whatever and off hand axes and daggers

[tall mural]

pen is always additive, so yes it is

[tender ridge]

well i've got my cold marrow shards to ~1.1m dps right now, but I don't quite know how to account for armor shred

[oblique jackal]

I was doing some napkin math theorycrafting and self casting Rip Blood looks like it could be a viable route. There are a bunch of multipliers in the tree. Has anyone else found that to be the case also?

[ashen bluff]

Oh that's interesting then

[tender ridge]

dunno how to include that in the calc

[earnest lichen]

That's what I'm also wanting to do but focusing on bleed instead of hit/crit

[oblique jackal]

At first I thought a Warlock Chaos Bolt casting Rip Blood would be best, but self-casting it just gives so many more benefits. It looks like Lich is going to be the route.

[earnest lichen]

and probably going lock for fissure

[tall mural]

ngl forgot marrow even got cold node

[tender ridge]

it wasn't in the patch notes

[oblique jackal]

That blood tether path looks tasty for sure.

[earnest lichen]

yessirrrrr

that + the new gloves sounds like a nasty combo

[oblique jackal]

What I like about Rip Blood is how it seems like it'd be good for both crowds and bosses.

What are the new gloves?

[gloomy crystal]

flay with 1k mana -> chaos bolts -> procs rip blood, procs bone curse -> everything bleeds

[tender ridge]

but 6 casts/s with twisted heart sounds great

[obtuse quest]

IF you need the spell buff, Self cast is better.
Otherwise Chaos Bolt will most likely do it's job but way better.

[hidden sable]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/A69DlEXo

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (23) / Lich (57) / Warlock (33)

General:

▸ Health: 2,919, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 397.51, Regen: 18.48/s
▸ Ward Retention: 274%, Regen: 210/s
▸ Attributes: 15 Str / 26 Dex / 137 Int / 15 Att / 26 Vit
▸ Resistances: 114% / 76% / 76% / 168% / 76% / 218% / 102%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 33%, Threshold: 672
▸ Dodge Chance: 29% (993)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 37% (1,987)

Used skills:

Ghostflame / Infernal Shade / Aura Of Decay / Rip Blood / Reaper Form

[obtuse quest]

Tether is like the only thing making a difference basically for DoT setups

[tall mural]

tether is gonna be good, even when just doing hit based, 200% dmg effectiveness per second isnt anything to sneeze at

[gloomy crystal]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/B70rpWOo
credit to Voodou

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (69) / Warlock (24)

General:

▸ Health: 5,864, Regen: 23.6/s
▸ Mana: 800.51, Regen: 17.44/s
▸ Ward Retention: 208%, Regen: 16/s
▸ Attributes: 18 Str / 27 Dex / 104 Int / 12 Att / 20 Vit
▸ Resistances: 63% / 63% / 63% / 97% / 65% / 113% / 77%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 34%, Threshold: 1,290
▸ Dodge Chance: 35% (1229)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 23% (965)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 102%

Used skills:

Flay / Rip Blood / Chaos Bolts / Aura Of Decay / Harvest

[fervent flicker]

anyone know if the negative cold scaling from cold converted aura of decay stack with the minion cold penetration from the set catalyst?

[obtuse quest]

It's the same thing, so yes. It's all -res. Stacks additively.

[tender ridge]

ghostfire has 600% per second and it makes me want to play with it and the new more DoT node based on your %current health drain

[oblique jackal]

It gets more benefits for self casting than just the spell buff. Check it out:

There are a LOT of multiplying benefits for self-casting Rip Blood.

[obtuse quest]

it's just a problem of "If you're scaling DoT you won't have much flat spell and if you're scaling Hit you won't have THAT much bleed stacks"

[fervent flicker]

-200% cold res sounds good for cold skele mage

[gloomy crystal]

yep, wait until you see how good -200% phys res sounds for abom necro kekw

[hidden sable]

the %current health drain is a 4% more multi its not that much

[obtuse quest]

Tether is the 2nd core reason.

Catalyst is kinda a meme because rip blood isn't a big hit skill.

Marrow shards is fine if you plan to go that route.

Mana gain is okay, but chaos bolts also help refund mana.

[earnest lichen]

how do you calculate how many stacks an ability will apply in 1 hit based on your chance to apply? like how many stacks would 1 rip blood apply at 1k chance to bleed

[hidden sable]

10

[gloomy crystal]

each 100% chance is 1

[tender ridge]

it's 1% per 7% drain. it goes up to ~11%

[earnest lichen]

ahhh

ty

[oblique jackal]

Yup. All good points. It's surprising how much value the rework is putting to self-casting RB.

[obtuse quest]

It's definately better than before yeah.

[fervent flicker]

hold up, how did u get that -200 phys?

[obtuse quest]

Last time it really is just "Spell buff and or mana" or in the niche case "Healing because someone is using hollow lich"

[obtuse quest]

AoD has a node that cuts enemy (and self) poison res = int in it's aura.
Can be converted if AoD is converted.

[gloomy crystal]

aod with 120-140 int + whatever phys pen for minions and stuff, you end up with roughly 180-200%

[hidden sable]

oh I guess you hit more drain if youve been in reaper form a long time

[tender ridge]

not even using reaper

[oblique jackal]

Am I right in thinking that Lich is probably the best specialization route for a direct cast Rip Blood? Any other thoughts?

[tender ridge]

there's a lot of % drain on gear, several passive nodes, ghostflame itself drains 5% when converted to phys

[neon vigil]

Apologies for bringing this back up, I'm trying to look into Golem Stomp. What are the "Two best nodes on the tree"?

[tall mural]

Lich definitely is the best for direct cast

[obtuse quest]

Pretty much, Warlock is for DoT, necro doesn't even use it offensively.

Oh the manti started already

https://tenor.com/view/dawn-majora-finalday-gif-9607331

[tender ridge]

my biggest concern with trying to stack that much % health drain is that you can pretty easily get to the point that you can't actually cast spells that cost % current health

[earnest lichen]

But am I right in going lock if I want to self cast a bleed variant?

[obtuse quest]

They're supposed to keep casting until you hit like 1 health.

[old hull]

The ones for absorbing all types of minions, engorgement and death in the family I think they are called.

[tender ridge]

yeah that's not hard to do

[obtuse quest]

Pretty much the default choice.

[tall mural]

Warlock has better DoT support, but Lich can definitely make a go at it if you're not reaper form, drop your leech into dmg and find other ways to heal

[tender ridge]

they'll even cast at 1 health. you have to be below 0.5 health before they won't cast

I've had my display at 0 a few times

[neon vigil]

Thanks

[calm dome]

Anyone looking at Lich autobomber for league start?

[tall mural]

autobomber?

[obtuse quest]

Is someone trying to solve Cruelty again?

For like, the 4th time?

[tender ridge]

that's the auto-sac relic right?

[obtuse quest]

Ye

[tall mural]

I really wish I didnt have to run minions to get the max hit damage out of rip blood

[calm dome]

No not auto cruelty

Auto wave of death and hungering souls on reap/evade

When you have death seal on your active bar

You don't need death seal to be active for these to cast

Maxed insatiable soul is 3 seconds of hungering souls casts every 0.5 seconds with maxed out duration and frequency

[obtuse quest]

Ignoring the hungering souls part which was ALSO done before and is kinda mid now, you'll need to actually cut reap's cooldown for this to even proc well enough.

(Also the souls don't shotgun without a unique)

[earnest lichen]

Does warlock have access to bleed overload by default or is that something you need to talent into? I'm still a little confused on how that works

[calm dome]

Well the auto hungering souls on previous death seal was only when it was active

[obtuse quest]

Passive.

[calm dome]

Now it is just on reap/evade

[gloomy crystal]

talent into, really early into the tree top side

[obtuse quest]

Doesn't really solve the "No shotgun except with the unique" problem tho, just slightly better clear speed

[earnest lichen]

ohhhhh tyvm

I was looking at the damned overload one being kinda confused

[tender ridge]

reaper form not having int/dex tags is lame. Druid forms get their tags

[junior rampart]

okay if i go traitor+Velocyn's which amulet should i use hmm ?

[calm dome]

I was thinking maybe just the tachycardia node with wave of death proc on reap/evade might be enough and I invest points into more damage for it instead of the hungering souls auto casts

[obtuse quest]

Seems decent for clear IF you can get reap's cooldown low enough.

[calm dome]

But reap gets like 90% cdr recovery from the tree so it is down to around 1.5 seconds about

Reap cd is 3 seconds?

[pulsar raven]

is last epoch tools updated from patch notes, or data? Currently it doesnt have a standard % chance to frostbite node for weapons, but i guess theres a chance they added it?

[obtuse quest]

Data.

[calm dome]

Just stagger your reap and evade cd

[obtuse quest]

Other issue is wave's aoe raidus, it's similar to base aod's size

Which is technically fixable?

[calm dome]

Yeah there is aoe nodes for the wave

[pulsar raven]

so definitely no frostbite % mods 🙁

[obtuse quest]

What frostbite node?

[calm dome]

I am just surprised to see the autocast possibilities they added on death seal is all

[tender ridge]

you can't get generic frostbite chance on weapons iirc

[pulsar raven]

im thinking weapons, most have suffixes, but frostbite doesnt

[calm dome]

So I think it will be fun to try it

[tender ridge]

chill does instead

there's no electrify either

[obtuse quest]

Eletrify doesn't either.

[obtuse quest]

Worth a look yeah, probably just okay at the top end.

[pulsar raven]

electrify doesnt have a skill that scales off % chance to electrify though

[tender ridge]

yes it does, it's just only in sentinel

javelin, smite, healing hands all have electrify interactions

probably more I'm forgetting

[calm dome]

I don't expect death seal autobomber to kill uberroth but in terms of speed clearing monoliths, evade/reap movement around the whole echo with wave of death casting on each reap/evade sounds very speedy

[earnest lichen]

that's a lot of health gain on kill lol

[obtuse quest]

Lmao tf happened here/

[pearl scarab]

[earnest lichen]

that's a good question

[mighty tundra]

lots of bleeds

[earnest lichen]

that is indeed a lot of bleeds

[gloomy crystal]

you're not getting to 5.75k bleeds lol can't math

[calm dome]

Would converting wave of death damage to cold or phys make it easier to scale compared to keeping it as necrotic damage?

[tender ridge]

wouldn't that be 575 bleeds

that's pretty achievable

[obtuse quest]

If it helps, AoD can res shred poison, physical, and cold. And the shred is equal to your Int.

[obtuse quest]

Mostly on bosses*

[pallid plume]

But are you actually planning to use abomination as your main dmg ?

If so you don't need to spec into the tree you can just summon them with no tree and get the bonus.

I assume your planning to spawn your 3 minions with tree + golem to get all 4 for the bonus anyway ?

[tender ridge]

sure but even like 80-100 is pretty easy to do on random trash mobs

[earnest lichen]

with the new gloves you can pretty reasonably get like 1k+ chance to bleed

I really hope they're not that hard to farm...

[forest mica]

yes, that's my main damage. emmmm

[obtuse quest]

True.

[pallid plume]

Wait so abom is your main dmg ?

What's the point in having and passives in minions that won't be alive then?

You know abomination consumes all your other minions right ?

And the node you showed requires golem + skeleton + mages + wraths

[forest mica]

Wait, I'd better to ask Mike how it work

[pallid plume]

How what works ?

Your abomination consumes your other minions that's how it works.

So people normally have abomination and dread shade sort of setup. And no other minions

[calm dome]

The shred on aod is good suggestion. They nerfed this node by adding a cap but still the highest more multiplier on the tree. Marina's lost Soul for self damned and it doesn't get cleansed since we don't have to keep death seal active for wave of death casts now

[earnest lichen]

Does anyone want to take a look at my rip blood bleed cook and give me any advice? I'm not familiar enough with acolyte to really know what I'm doing but I think I've got an ok base

[rigid dove]

does the blood eruption damage also convert when i change base dmg of flay

[earnest lichen]

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/planner/g4cjt0q9

This is what I have atm

[cyan siren]

biggo

[obtuse quest]

Holy shit a harvest buff

[cyan siren]

yeeeeee

ive been theorycrafting crit harvest lich all day too

lol...

[obtuse quest]

We can only assume so, no info on that

[cyan siren]

harvest is gonna be really good for paarty play

[pearl scarab]

Holy shit

Cold res that isn’t from the blessing for it

[cyan siren]

yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[pearl scarab]

Actually huge

[cyan siren]

biggo

[pearl scarab]

BIGGO indeed

[lost gale]

500% frostbite chance spear harvest build??

[cyan siren]

lul

[cyan siren]

its pretty easy to hit 100+ int on lich now

so you could probably get like 800+ frost

[earnest lichen]

does this apply to bleed damage or purely hit damage? I'd assume "you do" refers to hits

[tender ridge]

frostbite harvest actually does sound fun

[pearl scarab]

Yeah if it was only hits it would say health leech from hits

Same as if it was dot only

[tall mural]

casually hitting 10 stacks

[earnest lichen]

oh cool

[tall mural]

almost Rive levels of nice

[pearl scarab]

Generic leech should apply to everything you do

If you have minions it won’t apply to them

[minor cedar]

What's new for harvest lich?

[earnest lichen]

tyty good to know

[lost gale]

yeah but frostbite support is so limited to stacking pen via freeze multi boots and the gloves which is the same bin of damage as cold AoD res reduction and shred so that whole build is just stacking pen on pen on pen on a skill with middling multipliers built into it

so even big numbers of stacks will underwhelm

[sick forum]

when do you need to resummon the abomination

[cyan siren]

Flay activates chaos bolts which activates harvest 3 times a second

[wet laurel]

anybdoy got an idea on how to make a tanky melee lich?

[minor cedar]

I see, will look into it

[tender ridge]

bah harvest doesn't really have enough multipliers that affect DoTs

[cyan siren]

these are my stats on melee lich

with potato gear

[old hull]

When you relog

[wet laurel]

can u send me a link? maybe i will get some inspiration

[sick forum]

thats it? does it die easily or anything? people are making it seem like such a hassle to summon it

[old hull]

It's usually a whole ordeal to summon it because people try to snapshot the hell out of it. A lot of that snapshotting is getting removed tomorrow, though

[sick forum]

does it despawn if you go to cof/mg towns

or just logging off

[minor cedar]

And why not using directly harvest? To get more dmg from both flay and harvest?

[earnest lichen]

do I need some form of immunity to bleeds in order for my aura of decay to not instantly murder me

[cyan siren]

because its cool, and yeah, im scaling both

[minor cedar]

Still it's 3 skill slots

[cyan siren]

not really. u dont need it on your bar

[minor cedar]

But you need em specced

[cyan siren]

yep

[old hull]

It automatically resummons when you leave the town
We don't know 100%, but it seems like the changes to snapshotting tomorrow will make that okay (in current version, yes it does mess up the snapshot)

[cyan siren]

nothing else is worth getting tho

[minor cedar]

Lich form and deathseal aren't a thing anymore? I'm few patchnotes behind

[cyan siren]

im using lich form and a unspecced death seal

[old hull]

By default, it'll apply like 4-5 bleeds on you at a time and gives you big DR against them, it's not a big deal

[minor cedar]

Mobility from lichform dash i guess

[old hull]

Death seal is kinda similar to flame ward now

[minor cedar]

Oh shit button?

[plush loom]

Does it change the damage reduction also when you change to bleed? i thought it only changes what ailment you apply

[cyan siren]

I wont need death seal outside of ubber abby basically and telegraphed boss attacks

plan on farming him anyway

[pearl snow]

Bleed flay cb?

[plush loom]

oh youre right, it does give physical damage reduction

[earnest lichen]

I'm too used to sentinel where defensiveness is given out for free. I feel like warlock might be a bit of a rude awakening for that for me....idk how to add defensive layers to this class

[cyan siren]

its a grueling learning process even on the tree

this helps a lot

a few of these idols and this is like half of my EHP

[earnest lichen]

almost all of my idols look like this atm to cap my res

[tender ridge]

try planning out rogue where you embrace not having your resists capped be a guarantee

[cyan siren]

The 1x1 are armour/health, 3x1 are health health, and 2x1 is health/res

for me

[earnest lichen]

is it even viable to be a health stacker acolyte? with a setup like this

[tender ridge]

for an actual answer to your warlock defensives, a lot of it comes from keeping curses up and straight up mobility

[earnest lichen]

idk how I would really go for ward. I'm not stacking int or anything like that

[forest mica]

Ok I moved 2 points from the death of the family to cruel monstrosity

[tender ridge]

profane form is very good defensively. withering can give you a defensive layer

there's a lot of ways to generate ward incidentally

[cyan siren]

explain more. newer to acolyte

[earnest lichen]

I was looking at crimson gluttony in the passive tree but idk if I want to be a lowlife type character

[pallid plume]

Not acolyte relate but what's best way to play on a mac book ?

Currently traveling and just have a mac book with me for work.

[forest mica]

I struggled on death in the family the most really

Collect 4 types of minions is a very strict condition

[pallid plume]

It's a really big buff. I feel the 60% movement speed will be very noticeable.

[pallid plume]

It's not that hard to do, since you don't need a tree for any of them just to summon 1 each of the minions and it works.

[forest mica]

So should I give any points to cruel monstrosity?

I'm lost

[tender ridge]

Spirit Plague was the big one recently but that got nerfed to be rate limited last season. Still good but not obscene. Low life builds with exsang or similar are pretty common and allow you to ignore life regen or leech

Twisted Heart is another option if you'd prefer to not be low-life, but requires some kind of leech to be good

[pallid plume]

How much playing around do you want to do ?

You can just run like 2 or 3 minions + abom and not do any messing around other than spawning stuff and abomination.

Or you can summon 1 of each then abom and then swap those minions out into aura of decay / bone curse / infernal shade / dread shade and have all the bonus from abom consuming all 4 and the buffs from 4 other skills.

[tender ridge]

There's a decent amount of ward/s on the tree between the three specs as well

[forest mica]

Alright, alright, alright. Messed up my build again. Just less than 12h to adjust.

[celest steeple]

The hype is palpable rn

[earnest lichen]

you have more than 12h. it doesn't have to be perfect

[pallid plume]

I mean if you want to abom you can always yonink the one from max roll

[earnest lichen]

you'll learn and change things as you play anyways

[pallid plume]

Yeah it's 12hours and then like another few hours playing you even get abomination

[forest mica]

Fine... I even no idea how abomination work. Keep this one at first

[rancid sedge]

I'm still undecided on which flavour of flay I'm going

[pallid plume]

Abomination basically consumes all your other minions and gets stronger from that.

So the idea is you trade a large group of minions for 1 really strong minion

[modest escarp]

does the health leech from Warlock tree ("damage you do") apply to DoT as well as hits?

[forest mica]

I need to watch poe 2 stream to decide should I play season or legacy at first then go to adjust that

Current planned build is bad at endgame indeed

I have no idea how will the amount of my minions come from current minion skills affect the damage from abomination

Sigh, never play abomination so I act like a newbie 😅

[old hull]

Yes

[modest escarp]

damn, Warlock has so many nodes I want for my Lich lol

[earnest lichen]

is there a good way to cap crit avoid as acolyte or is it just pain

[pallid plume]

Abomination is based the amount of minions out when he is summoned nothing to do with what has a passive tree or not.

So you can spawn 4 random minions have Abomination on the 5th skill slot and have it consume 4 different types of minions.

Abomination does not care about the amount of mages just if there is 1 it counts so you don't need any trees to increase the amount you spawn.

Having extra skeletons is good as abomination gets a bonus per skeleton up to 20 on certain nodes.

[pearl snow]

Dont do the avoid just do the dmg reduction node and get armor at the same time 🙂
but its mostly gear affixes

[earnest lichen]

noted

[pearl snow]

If you wanna avoid its mainly rings. Dmg reduction is nicer because helm / boots / gloves or small amounts on idols

[earnest lichen]

is this the node you're talking about

[pearl snow]

That is a node to help

[earnest lichen]

I don't really want any necro talents

[royal flint]

Well, RIP crit minions :/

[pearl snow]

Just dont 30% isnt much

[royal flint]

Although I saw that comming at some point

[pearl snow]

In endgame you can cap 100% via 2 affix slots

If you get lucky even just exalted boots alone too

[earnest lichen]

gonna be using blood of the exile with ideally crit avoid + ms slapped on

but gl with that

[modest escarp]

if I'm leveling as a bleed lich, is it crazy to put a bunch of points in Warlock while I'm leveling for leech, DoT damage, bleed overload, etc.?

[pearl snow]

Nope those bleed nodes are great

[earnest lichen]

it's not very expensive to respec at low levels so go for it

[pearl snow]

CB is a great early pickup for DoT anyways

[modest escarp]

Yeah, I'm hoping to do like Bleed Rip blood/Spirit Plague -> Bleed Flay -> (when loot permits) Spell Dmg Crit Flay

[pearl snow]

Makes sense

[modest escarp]

Not sure what other skills to spec into while leveling, admittedly

[pearl snow]

Im a psycho so similar setup but I’ll be doing spell flay only and poison

[earnest lichen]

I'm gonna try and do bleed rip blood/tether all the way

[pearl snow]

Rip blood and Spirit Plague will be great. For bleed Cb isnt bad but Rip from the start might be nicer since its AoE now

Bone Curse aint bad

[earnest lichen]

damage seems solid but the only thing I can't figure out is survivability

[pearl snow]

Wandering spirits early does decent on hit

[modest escarp]

You could keep the spec'd rip blood and just drop it on bosses for tether while keeping flay potentially as well

[earnest lichen]

nahhh I'm not going flay

[modest escarp]

Wandering and Bone Curse was what I was using (I'm now test-leveling my third acolyte in three days :P)

[earnest lichen]

planning on this atm as lock

[pearl snow]

Bleed?

[earnest lichen]

ye

[pearl snow]

Makes sense. I assume marrow can proc from Rip? Its been awhile

Or vice versa

[earnest lichen]

yeah it can now after the changes

[modest escarp]

If AOE hits 3+ people, it triggers marrow

[pearl snow]

I have to look into that interaction

[modest escarp]

OR a rare/boss

[pearl snow]

Ive been trying to hunt down new obscure Cb tech

Ah rip

Flay bleed CB and Rip i guess is as far as procing goes

Thats an obvious thing tho

[earnest lichen]

debating on putting t7 reduced crit on my gloves....but that's 1 less t7 dot affix

[forest mica]

No idea can I get 20 minions

[pallid plume]

You can spawn more minions after abomination is summoned and he consumed them that way also.

[pallid plume]

Not 20 minions total, 20 skeletons and then you also want mages / golem / wrath ontop of that

[forest mica]

I still short on points because I need the death of the family if I want more damage but I want cruel monstrosity too

[pallid plume]

Umm your missing on alot of really good points.

Why you taking the stuff up top ?

Just check the max roll guide for an idea.

[forest mica]

No idea why maxroll team want double strike instead of crit chance

[umbral garden]

You get enough flat crit from gear later on, and there are better nodes to take.

[pallid plume]

You already cap crit at 100%.

Dual strike is just really really good and they run cooldown relics so it keeps doing it.

[forest mica]

Where have I capped minion crit chance... 41% only

[junior rampart]

are you using the flat crit rings ?

[pallid plume]

I don't think this covers all the things like shades that also give crit chance

[forest mica]

Exalted rings only, because I need resistance balance

[merry rampart]

is there any cooldown reduction to find on gear or blessings or idols that can apply to the abomination?

[pallid plume]

You should also be getting resistance from blessings and idols

[pallid plume]

Just idols. There is now rolls for aoe tho

[umbral garden]

idols, and a base type helmet + tree

[forest mica]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/AVKO6L0Q Did that already

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (22) / Necromancer (81) / Lich (10)

General:

▸ Health: 4,038, Regen: 31.2/s
▸ Mana: 112.51, Regen: 9.6/s
▸ Ward Retention: 304%, Regen: 62/s
▸ Attributes: 26 Str / 12 Dex / 134 Int / 6 Att / 12 Vit
▸ Resistances: 92% / 84% / 82% / 102% / 108% / 116% / 122%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 65%, Threshold: 808
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (48)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 50% (3,150)

Used skills:

Summon Skeletal Mage / Summon Skeleton / Assemble Abomination / Summon Wraith / Dread Shade

[pallid plume]

I'm still confused why you have skeleton mages and wrath spec as skills when they won't be doing any dmg.

[forest mica]

No idea... Good night at first 💤

[pallid plume]

Goodnight see you in like 16 hours time when you complain abom does not dmg 😆

[junior rampart]

okay i guess i will go with this setup
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QqD9Wj2A

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (30) / Lich (78) / Warlock (5)

General:

▸ Health: 3,364, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 195.51, Regen: 15.2/s
▸ Ward Retention: 148%, Regen: 136/s
▸ Attributes: 10 Str / 134 Dex / 43 Int / 10 Att / 30 Vit
▸ Resistances: 81% / 81% / 81% / 64% / 92% / 161% / 144%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 60%, Threshold: 1,144
▸ Dodge Chance: 42% (1495)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 36% (1,884)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 91%

Used skills:

Reaper Form / Chaos Bolts / Flay / Harvest / Aura Of Decay

[grim rune]

@abstract summit what was uber dps on this?

[gloomy crystal]

It was about 30-33m iirc

[abstract summit]

Nothing, we made crit build not bleed

So no clue

[gloomy crystal]

Then who did i get this from? Sorry for the confusion wacsa

[rose junco]

anyone made some calc with exquisite blood node for Lich Flay? i didn't find anything

[wild sequoia]

Looking to do my own necro build, can't seem to scale fire well so looking to transition to Physical damage.
I had "Mark for death" as a mandatory stat but it only applys to 3 elements right?
also
Is there a way to bring enemies to the negatives with Phy res?
I only have this to my knowledge....

[gloomy crystal]

Aura of decay phys conversion

[serene lichen]

Did you try reading marked for death or no

[wild sequoia]

The tool I'm using won't let me 🤔
I could be mistaken though

[serene lichen]

What tool

[wild sequoia]

Seems viable but investing 10 points in lich is expensive no?
I'll look into , Thanks @gloomy crystal

@serene lichen
This 1
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/

[gloomy crystal]

no, 10 points is a very normal dip

just put 10 into apocrypha and that's it

[wild sequoia]

Lovely, was looking at he tree like, all this us semi useless

[gloomy crystal]

weird take but ok

[serene lichen]

Come on man you’re more capable than that

[wild sequoia]

I'm new, like fresh fresh new

[minor cedar]

So that harvest build is a dex build

[gloomy crystal]

any previous buildmaking/theorycrafting experience? i'd actually recommand following a guide for your first time playing

[serene lichen]

Ok, but if you mouse over a keyword or touch it on your phone’s touch screen, it will take you to a new window, or create a temporary window in your phone.

In these secondary windows, you can read about the ailment, skill, item etc so.

WTF guide for your first time playing is horrid advice

[earnest lichen]

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/planner/g4cjt0q9

Can any acolyte nerds here give me some advice? I think dps won't be an issue but I'm still a little worried about survivability. And I'm not knowledgeable enough about aco to know if I missed something important

bleed lock build with my main skill being rb and fissure

[gloomy crystal]

Drew, tbh i haven't seen a warlock that didn't go into lowlife ward

[earnest lichen]

had a feeling health stacking might not be viable

[wild sequoia]

I tried my first HC character and died to last campaign boss.
Looking to get a better understanding on how to scale offence and defense.

[gloomy crystal]

when your damage scales off int as well, you also build ward retention% so it incentivises you to go into ward

[earnest lichen]

I'm almost entirely bleed focused so I don't think I should be int stacking

idk tho. like I said, aco noob

[gloomy crystal]

i actually think you should be for that juicy AoD converted to phys resistance pen

[earnest lichen]

hmmmmmmmm

perhaps

[gloomy crystal]

also why are you having both rip blood and marrow shards on bar? aren't you supposed to trigger marrow shards by using rip blood? you could just use transplant or profane veil instead for some mobility / defense

[earnest lichen]

my aod tree is a little messed up atm. one of the trees that I haven't looked into too much yet

[earnest lichen]

It wont be on the bar in game. Will prob just use unspecced veil or transplant

[gloomy crystal]

also if you're going into bleed, wouldn't double fissure provide you with more attacks therefore more bleeds? just my 2 cents

[earnest lichen]

I won't be going crit at all

[gloomy crystal]

and don't bother with the ignite spread if you go for the gloves, they'll handle your aoe

[gloomy crystal]

huh?

who said anything about crit?

[earnest lichen]

?

[gloomy crystal]

meant to say bleed, fml

[earnest lichen]

lol all good

you right tho

[gloomy crystal]

i'd ditch the torment part as you're not stacking necrotic damage (torment is necrotic iirc)

[earnest lichen]

it is. I just thought I'd have enough % damage over time that it would be worth the added damage but idk. also another curse on the target

[wild sequoia]

Quick question on Fume Weaver,
Once converted to phy, do I lose extra Phy res or Poison?

[earnest lichen]

wait you right. it'll still have torment regardless

just spec out of the torment damage

[gloomy crystal]

phys res

everything that says poison res is now phys res

if you convert to phys

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/chaos-bolts-lich-guide

i'd rather look at this and convert it to phys with the gloves

there's even a bleed variant from what i can see

to me not using this on an acolyte feels like a mistake almost unless you do some weird bleed gloves / idol stacking stuff

[earnest lichen]

that does seem pretty crazy

I need those gloves tho

[gloomy crystal]

nah, that staff needs the gloves to work for phys

the builds overall doesn't need the staff tho

[pallid plume]

I am planning to run this.

Get like 5k hp and then slap this on and your at 10k+ ward on a necromancer who has some ward retention from int

[earnest lichen]

so you're saying I should ditch the gloves and not stack other ailments?

[pallid plume]

In terms of buffs for necromancer minions which of these is most impactful. I have space for 2 of these ?

• infernal shade
• dread shade
• aura of decay (physical convert stuff)
• bone curse (so it stays on minion)

[gloomy crystal]

wait.. how many minions are you running to not have space for dread, AoD and bone curse?

[pallid plume]

Depends on your goal and what your playing. I'm talking for necromancer the ward chest is crazy

[pallid plume]

3 minions. I'm doing abomination consuming mages and skeletons as I don't want to mess around with replacing skill on bar.

But mages is just for a movement skill.

[gloomy crystal]

imo you really don't have to do swap stuff that often, but idk, both dread and bone curse seem really good to me but that AoD reistance pen is huge

[pallid plume]

I was unsure about AoD area

As in how much it's up

[tired tendon]

I've wanted to do a poison rogue build so I may try that

[pallid plume]

I'm going to be doing lots of smaller sessions so when I'm doing a 10 min quick run I don't want to do a whole 1 min setup for abomination

[gloomy crystal]

the area is fine if you get the 75% area

you need to summon 3 different minions and then spam the 4th, idk how that could take 1 minute

it's not like you're snapshotting a full set of relics and a separate set of gear

[pallid plume]

Well I got to summon them all, then change the skills for 4/5 of them

And it's also on controller.

[gloomy crystal]

yea, that takes at most 30s

ah... controller

[pallid plume]

Yup

[gloomy crystal]

idk, you do you but i really don't think it's that much of a hassle

[pallid plume]

So just 2 minions to consume + 2 support is my choice

[gloomy crystal]

losing engorgement is gonna be quite rough for the build

[pallid plume]

For longer sessions it's fine. But when I'm like let me run 2 or 3 mono it's a real pain

[tired tendon]

People are saying its going to be so op, so losing some damage would still allow for high corruption

Could also leave room for a better farm build that is faster

[pallid plume]

My backup plan is Profane mages. But assuming 2 minion abom is still better.

But the 2 minions + 2 supports setup is currently doing 1k corruption with no snapshot

[tired tendon]

There ya go so what's the issue

[pallid plume]

Just wanting advice on best 2 supports

Like I have movement skill with take minion with you so getting Ms in abomination might not be as needed.

So do I just go bone curse and dread shade and slap those onto abom and I'm good. Or is new aura of decay worth replacing one of those.

[tired tendon]

If I knew I'd share but ultimately look at what say Aura of decay gives it and take away bone curse and se what one you want? It probably won't matter much for much of league start so lot of time figure it out and even test things

I have lot of learning to do and want to experience it in game

[earnest lichen]

do I really need exsang if I'm going low life with crimson gluttony + unclosing wounds? if my primordial is taken by the gloves and I can't get the op armor

i don't know what the ward gen will be like with just that

[tired tendon]

Test it out, if you can survive then the ward gen is good enough till its not

[earnest lichen]

servers are down for maint already and I don't even have a leveled aco on live

I guess we'll see how it goes tomorrow

[tired tendon]

For sure

[tall mural]

Pick your favorite skill, play the game, it's pretty easy to level as anything honestly. Or just play warlock as you need to wrinkles in your skull to play it

[pulsar raven]

you can "hack" an offline char fairly easily

[earnest lichen]

[gloomy crystal]

where's the fun in that?

[pulsar raven]

testing how things work before spending ages to find something doesnt work the way you expect

[earnest lichen]

I'm gonna be leeching/healing so much with this build that I don't know if it's even possible for me to go low life. unless I do the leech = damage conversion

would this also apply to the leech you get from chalice?

[old hull]

Yes

[tall mural]

iirc it's all leech unless it's leech on a skill

[old hull]

All leech from everywhere

[gloomy crystal]

yep, otherwise chalice* would have bricked the build lol

[tall mural]

even on something like drain life?

[earnest lichen]

sick

[old hull]

Yeah, the old node used to not, but they fixed it a while back
Now scorned blood appears to rework what leech does instead of disabling it, so it should work in all cases unless they bugged it

[earnest lichen]

holy

[tall mural]

That is a LOT of dmg then

[earnest lichen]

that sounds kinda insane

[tall mural]

that means drain life base is like 180% dmg xD

with the leech notes that is 50% leech on drain life good grief

[earnest lichen]

can't tell if I'm actually this excited for the league or if I'm using this as an excuse to not work

spent more time looking at maxroll than work stuff today for sure

[tall mural]

You need an excuse not to work?

[earnest lichen]

[tall mural]

Meanwhile Im out here trying to get promoted just to not have to take help calls anymore so I can play more games xD

[earnest lichen]

ward/low life users don't give a crap about endurance right?

[tall mural]

Correct

[earnest lichen]

I don't think I've ever properly played a low life character

[pearl snow]

Remember friends corporate doesn’t care about you. Play games on their dime for a day or two it doesnt matter

[earnest lichen]

or acolyte in general

[tall mural]

Unless you're doing the weird 50% cap node, then endurance DOES have a point

I dont know if i wanna start chaining rip blood or dot harvest

[earnest lichen]

This is what I'm tentatively looking at atm. Swapping chest to exsang if the passive lowlife nodes aren't enough. Prob wont be idk

[tall mural]

is that dreads nonsense?

[earnest lichen]

kinda, but a bit different

plan atm is to have aod on, put fissures down, and spam rb for giga bleed stacks

[tall mural]

I thought about witchfire warlock using harvest to just proc every overload at once

if only it had a fire conversion we'd be cooking

[pallid plume]

You know I'll test both but aura of decay might be nicer for pressing less buttons possibly.

Since aura of decay with physical convert can apply armour shred and give abom 100% physical dmg pen so he's basically doing true dmg

[earnest lichen]

I should build out a filter for this for tomorrow.....that would actually be useful

I just want it to be tomorrow this time rn. I'll be just getting home from work ready to game

[junior rampart]

if i make a filter in offline i can use it in online too right ?

[earnest lichen]

I'd imagine yes if you export it and import it into live, if you even need to do that. But I'm pretty sure 1.3 will be coming with a few filter changes too

[lost gale]

"so he's basically doing true dmg"
Enemies have 0 resists you know? Pen is just a straight damage multiplier.

[pallid plume]

Really ?

I assumed things like bosses had 50% res or something.

Is it a direct 1 to 1 ?

Like 10% pen is 10% more dmg ?

Aura of decay with 100 int is 100% pen but bone curse with 100 init is 400% increased dmg

[tall mural]

Yep, it's a more multi so every % is just % more

[lost gale]

I think you're misunderstanding what 4% increased per int on bone curse means.
Bone curse adds a flat amount of damage every time the curse victim is hit, this damage is scaled per the tags on bone curse (it's a spell, it's a curse, it's physical) and it's an intelligence skill which gains 4% increased damage per INT.

It doesn't increase the damage taken by the enemy by 4% per INT, it increases the flat damage appended to other hits by 4%

[pallid plume]

How much flat dmg is it ?

Just trying to compare which is actually better

[lost gale]

but yeah, everything has 0 res and functionally so does the player (res capped at 75%, enemies in lvl >=75 areas have 75% penetration so if you have 75% res you functionally have 0 res, if you have 70% res then you functionally have -5 res)

[lost gale]

base damage of bone curse is just 4, and it has 20% damage effectiveness (ie if you have 100 flat damage to spells that becomes 24, which is then scaled by everything else as appropriate)

bone curse is not a big damage dealer really, but that doesn't mean it's useless.

physical aura of decay giving -100 to -150 res is almost certain to add more damage

[serene lichen]

You would do better to just read the entire section on damage

[pallid plume]

I see what you mean. So bone curse does actually scale with spell dmg which might make it better for builds actually using spells.

I also guess with how pen works you can go ham and go for 200 int for 200% pen

[lost gale]

yeah but pen is all one bucket of damage, if you deal entirely physical damage then the first point of pen or -res is increasing your final damage by 1%, while the 101st is increasing your damage by 0.5% and the 201st is increasing your damage by 0.33% so it's not exactly diminishing returns but it's best to diversify your damage scaling into more different buckets so they're multiplicative rather than additive

[serene lichen]

Well, you’d want some flat damage in there if you want it to do damage

But bone curse can be good for other stuff like activating things

[pallid plume]

So I think 100 int for 100% pen is probably a good middle point. Otherwise dealing with the negative res is going to be really annoying.

[tall mural]

I think it's like 20% increased is roughly equal to 1% pen or something, but generally once you have a lot of increased, pen is more valuable.

[pallid plume]

Yeah there is already alot of increased minion dmg and stuff on abom tree

[serene lichen]

There’s no roughly comparison with pen and additive increase