💀┃acolyte

[molten bramble]

so the life loss from exsang is life loss of current life

if you are on 1 hp you lose 0 life

but you gain ward equal to your missing HP

so if you have 1k hp and you are on 1 life you gain 999x.2 ward per sec or ~200 ward per sec

[versed fox]

Ahh I see. Drain is always %. Thank makes sense. And the drawn out damage taken helps with the ward ticks

[molten bramble]

basically you lose % of current life and gain ward based on max life (missing from max life)

[proud pilot]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/ozvjqqxo here is a flay chaosbolt planner with a bit more surviveability

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (83) / Warlock (10)

General:

▸ Health: 7,945, Regen: 24/s
▸ Mana: 1,383.8, Regen: 23.12/s
▸ Ward Retention: 118%, Regen: 16/s
▸ Attributes: 32 Str / 17 Dex / 59 Int / 17 Att / 23 Vit
▸ Resistances: 55% / 55% / 55% / 116% / 116% / 111% / 71%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 2,225
▸ Dodge Chance: 3% (68)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 45% (2,633)
▸ Block Chance: 88%, Mitigation: 62% (3,345)

Used skills:

Flay / Rip Blood / Summon Skeleton / Chaos Bolts / Harvest

[molten bramble]

so in general you use exsang and you still want health/life to scale up the ward gen

[proud pilot]

Does Scornful Blood count as damage over time?

[molten bramble]

lol gl getting the quad t7 lol

[proud pilot]

yeah obviously its a planner.

[molten bramble]

most people tend to use the planner more realistically with thing they can obtain

[left whale]

All 4LP 💀

[proud pilot]

does scornful blood count as damage over time? and does it benefit from essence devourer?

[molten bramble]

I think that is a dev questions

[pulsar raven]

i kinda hoipe it doesnt scale from DoTs as otherwise its useless (other than stoppping healing) for hit builds

[proud pilot]

hm. its just not clear at all what kind of damage scornful blood is

[proud pilot]

why would it be? the harder you hit, the higher your leech instance

[molten bramble]

I cannot find it under ailments or anything in LE tools so it is hard to know what tags it has

[proud pilot]

but if you could scale it with dot-increases it would be interesting

[charred ridge]

afaik scornful blood means however much you leech, you deal that exact damage back to enemies

unmodified

[proud pilot]

yeah, i couldnt either bwz ^^ hence why i asked here

[pulsar raven]

because dots would double dip - more damage = more dot = more leech, and then it gets more damage on top

[molten bramble]

I might not scale with anything because it is based off dmg

[charred ridge]

so if you do 1000 damage and have 20% leech, you're doing 200 damage to an enemy over 3 seconds

[proud pilot]

so it has no tags?

[molten bramble]

so if you want to scale it just scale the dmg source that is procing leech

[charred ridge]

it shouldn't

basically just see it as a "more multiplier" equal to your leech

[proud pilot]

is it getting affected by leech effectivness? so at 100% leech effectivness it deals its damage over 1.5 seconds?

[molten bramble]

Do we know if accursed feast makes scornful drop if you go over 66%?

[charred ridge]

it should

[charred ridge]

it's called leech rate and it should, yes

[proud pilot]

yeah, really looks like you wanna run this low-life

so your leeches never drop

[molten bramble]

so unless we are playing corrupted form accursed feast is just going to cause scornful dmg to go away from CB healing?

[rose junco]

did you found anything promising? i'm interested in build using this to

[molten bramble]

I think it breaks CB proc

so not really

[charred ridge]

as long as you have leech you're realistically not gonna benefit from scornful or the frenzy belt unless you play corrupted form yes

it's not really related to accursed feast

whether the leech cutoff is 66% or 100%, you're gonna reach it

[rose junco]

yeah CB and Marrow Shards are proc by the melee hit, for now the Blood Eruption only triggers wandering spirits so i'm not sure if it has a chance to work

[molten bramble]

I think you still keep leech stacks if you have a %loss life drain even at 100%

[charred ridge]

i think they're fixing that

but don't quote me on that

if that's not the case then frenzy belt kinda op on other classes too

i mean i thought the whole point of accursed feast (and corrupted form) was that they're introducing those nodes to the game because they're fixing "overleech"

otherwise those nodes dont really have a point, do they?

[molten bramble]

let me check the patch notes. If it was not in there I doubt they are changing it.

[charred ridge]

i don't think it's in the patch notes but EHG had been talking about it so

could be it's in the game but not the patch notes

i mean i hope that's wrong and they're not fixing it

ima just ask in the ask channel

nvm dont even need to ask

[charred ridge]

Fixed an issue where if your health leech brought you to full health the leech stacks would fail to fall off immediately if you had a continuous drain effect that causes you to lose health before your next frame.

[molten bramble]

ok well atleast that is difinative

[proud pilot]

i dont quite understand that, could you help me? why would you not benefit from scornful if you have leech?

scornful turns off all healing you receive from leech - making you effectivly an bottomless hole for leech effects (unless ofc you get enough life from other sources such as regen or gain on hit etc to heal you to full)

[charred ridge]

turns out i'm still dumb i make this mistake 4 times an hour

i just forget scornful disables your leech

but yeah you do want to make sure you're somehow never reaching 100% hp

or 66% with accursed feast

[proud pilot]

👍 all good. I thought i was going crazy - everyone ignores my comment on how you want to play low life if you want to use it haha 😄

[vapid belfry]

Was trying to cook a spell bleed build but honestly it just seems better to go for the full chaos/marrow shard and ignore it

[rose junco]

Damn that's sad, it feels like the node is there for nothing, maybe using wandering spirit is the only way to use this node? I don't know how good the skill is tho

I guess going raw damage blood eruption is kinda trash too

[molten bramble]

It kinda kills the scornful dmg with CB since CB is going to cap you on life unless you take corrupted form

[charred ridge]

ye ofc you want to go corrupted form regardless

just a technicality

[proud pilot]

how is it going to cap you on life? 😮

[molten bramble]

Theres a node that heals you on hit and it is tied to the mana refund node so you will go out of mana with out it

[charred ridge]

just waiting for chaos bolts to consume their full mana cost and not just 2

so everybody gets surprised on release

[molten bramble]

I mean it makes sense for 2 since it is not a full chaos bolt cast

full cast would have 4 baseline projectiles

[charred ridge]

yeah

[proud pilot]

which one is it? i cant seem to find it

[charred ridge]

it's still pretty weird design that bolts so conveniently refund exactly their full cost 😂

[molten bramble]

devour the damned

[proud pilot]

ah, devour the damned

thank you!

hm. you could go for blood tithe to fix that. the other drain from lich passives/low life items is enough for it to sustain

eh. no. belay that. flay doesnt cast cb

[charred ridge]

considering you also go reaper form it's also just much easier to go corrupted form and actually sustain your hp bar

rather than not sustain your hp and drop out of reaper form

[proud pilot]

yeah, probably.

[charred ridge]

i don't think scornful blood will really see play in practice

[molten bramble]

I think it is strong transition playstyle

[charred ridge]

wdym by transition

[molten bramble]

before you get perf gear

[charred ridge]

yeah

i mean you take it if you need uber damage

that's about it

[molten bramble]

I mean even early leveling when you have mostly exhalts 50-70 lvl range taking corrupted for for 30% health and then getting like another 60%-90% inc dmg with the drain effect dmg might be strong

[charred ridge]

yeah potentially

i think you'll just have to end up choosing between reaper form and scornful though

if you spec a lot of health drain

ehh

not sure

[fair cape]

Am I seeing it right? We can have 100%+ chance to resummon skeletons now?

[molten bramble]

true but drop reaper and take bone curse get armor shred might not be too terrible

[harsh warren]

yeahp

[charred ridge]

yeah i mean honestly im not really worried about leveling

im just thinking endgame

it's not like leveling is challenging it just takes a bit of time

[fair cape]

So basically I can have Abomination being affected by 20x Warriors, 20x Archers and 20x Rogues now?

[exotic bison]

total 20 methinks

not seperate

[harsh warren]

no, i don't think so. it seems like abom's got different summoning rules

[fair cape]

well, yesn't

[molten bramble]

I am little worried about specing flay at 50 without axe and gear and such but I think there is enough support

[exotic bison]

how u gonna get that many anyway

[charred ridge]

ima just yolo

[fair cape]

Resummon...

[charred ridge]

heartseeker was great to level with

[exotic bison]

3s to be resummoned

[fair cape]

But yeah, It says 20 total

[charred ridge]

i just trust EHG to make new skills not feel dogshit as soon as you pick them up

[exotic bison]

how long does the abom cast go anyway 🤣

[fair cape]

That's more than enough, if you played Abomination, it takes time to absorb minions, they start resummoning before they run out

It yoinks one every 0.5 seconds or so

[molten bramble]

yeah but getting dragonsong was easy and it really proped up the lvl 50-70 experience with the flat crit and other stuff

[charred ridge]

getting traitor's tongue is easy too

[molten bramble]

I guess

[charred ridge]

you dont need the axe until you're mana stacking

[exotic bison]

I haven't played abom in so long, gonna yolo it this season

[fair cape]

But yeah, it's a channel

[molten bramble]

yeah so use ascdends on daggers?

[charred ridge]

and you won't be mana stacking early on anyway

[vivid hedge]

@topaz lynx your abom guide says to take the skeleton node to only summon warriors to buff horrific volley. Doesn't that need archers?

[charred ridge]

you can do that

[fair cape]

So now 9 skeletons are basically 20 for the purpose of feeding it

[charred ridge]

i never really used runes of ascension though they did improve the QoL on that

so i could start doing it

i feel like the dagger doesnt even have to be traitor's tongue necessarily, there's flat crit on other daggers too

though traitor's tongue is quite a nice boost

[fair cape]

Oh, and with 100% resummon, they will keep coming back and Abomination will keep eating them

[exotic bison]

that'd be neat

[charred ridge]

could even dual-wield them until the axe lol

[fair cape]

For the new consume / sacrifice ability it has

[exotic bison]

the main worry is how long it takes for the abom to eat them

[molten bramble]

I always try to think what is the legendary with no LP that will boost the build the most and try to ascend that first

it might just be traitors into crit stacking

[charred ridge]

i just dont deal with ascensions honestly it's so annoying to use

the only time i bothered was trying to get a tradeable red ring imprint on MG 1.2

which isn't even the best moneymaker anyway

[fair cape]

Kek, this one doesn't say up to 20

Infinite scaling, surely

wait, mage, nvm

[charred ridge]

traitors is p-much the only unique to use ascendance on

[exotic bison]

it also says all minions of the same type are devoured if one is nommed

so it could be it just noms all the skeletons at once

[charred ridge]

maybe the boots too

everything else is valeroot or a boss drop

[molten bramble]

axe

[charred ridge]

barbute before aberroth on the head slot

oh yeah i forgot u can ascend the axe

[molten bramble]

but lvl 70 req i believe

[vivid hedge]

can anyone explain why the guide says to take only warrior node to buff the abom archer node?

[exotic bison]

but then maybe u can also just hold down the key till it goes? gotta test

[charred ridge]

im so bored these days i need the patch

[molten bramble]

2 more days

[charred ridge]

im going on vacation 2 days after patch deadge

this timing is killing me

early league build def gonna be using a T8 mana chest until you can get the primordial relic & all the idols that go with it also

[topaz lynx]

If u refresh page still there?

Might be typo on embed, il check

Guide has been updated alot

[mighty tundra]

i need it to be thursday

[tender ridge]

i noticed a few of the tooltips on that guide don't match what the node says, likely because Abom was updated so much

[mighty tundra]

i just wanna mess around with those new primordial uniques man

they pretty much all look like fun

[vivid hedge]

yep still there

[raven geyser]

anyone have any idea for last skill? : https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/omEW9Oro

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Necromancer (8) / Lich (80) / Warlock (5)

General:

▸ Health: 3,965, Regen: 40/s
▸ Mana: 127.74, Regen: 18/s
▸ Ward Retention: 198%, Regen: 57/s
▸ Attributes: 10 Str / 56 Dex / 99 Int / 10 Att / 17 Vit
▸ Resistances: 114% / 116% / 129% / 135% / 114% / 171% / 115%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 872
▸ Dodge Chance: 10% (305)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 41% (2,317)

Used skills:

Flay / Death Seal / Reaper Form / Marrow Shards

[fast spire]

Aura of Decay

perhap

[crude scaffold]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QkGxylDQ

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Necromancer (8) / Lich (68) / Warlock (17)

General:

▸ Health: 2,328, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 302.51, Regen: 16.08/s
▸ Ward Retention: 217%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 2 Str / 2 Dex / 96 Int / 10 Att / 6 Vit
▸ Resistances: 101% / 78% / 76% / 209% / 0% / 26% / 91%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 61%, Threshold: 919
▸ Armor Mitigation: 33% (1,711)

Used skills:

Rip Blood / Aura Of Decay / Flay / Bone Curse / Reaper Form

[raven geyser]

i am wondering if self poison would be problem for being full hp to use occult offerings

[fast spire]

Occult Offerings doesn't require you to be at full HP, I thought

But also, the healing from Aura is pretty significant

That said, idk if you're trying to hit specific oneshot breakpoints or smth

[raven geyser]

it does not but to use it for max dmg i need to be at 4k hp which will be my max hp

[fast spire]

but I'd think reaper form would be similarly detrimental

Ah

[old hull]

If you have a little ward per second, it'll probably be plenty to handle the AoD self damage

[fast spire]

Yeah, it should be plenty

if you can handle Reaper degen, you can probably handle AoD with little change

[raven geyser]

okay thanks

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 90

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (25) / Lich (78) / Warlock (10)

General:

▸ Health: 3,515, Regen: 21.95/s
▸ Mana: 464.76, Regen: 19.36/s
▸ Ward Retention: 238%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 29 Str / 32 Dex / 119 Int / 21 Att / 30 Vit
▸ Resistances: 91% / 91% / 91% / 205% / 104% / 109% / 69%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 57%, Threshold: 1,054
▸ Dodge Chance: 21% (651)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 58% (3,843)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 3%

Used skills:

Flay / Aura Of Decay / Death Seal / Reaper Form / Marrow Shards

[raven geyser]

i have but i think bcs of this it wont help

[fast spire]

Yeah, it won't help with ailment damage from AoD

[proud pilot]

i am not convinced reaper form is all that hot? maybe thats just me

[old hull]

Oh yeah, true. The part about handling reaper form degen is right, you've already got that going, so a tiny bit more degen won't make a big difference

[fast spire]

if you could fit some Healing Effectiveness somewhere, the healing from AoD could also supplement. 8% Missing Health is pretty significant, applied every second

I haven't looked too closely at your build, though, I'll be honest

[topaz lynx]

on it

[fast spire]

Just a quick look over

[charred ridge]

280% increased dmg and 24% aspd is not hot?

if you don't do leech stuff

[mighty tundra]

I mean it's not a bad starting concept. If you're trying to pump it higher it might be worth focusing more on the spell portion of the build

[charred ridge]

otherwise you get like what 120% increased dmg, 24% aspd, 40% increased leech and 50% crit multi along with 6 flat?

it's kinda hot

[mighty tundra]

Like Deadly Plot should in theory effect marrow shards since it's a spell that's triggered by Flay, so there's an extra scaling vector there

[fast spire]

it's hot enough for me to take 🥵

Spell scaling Flay seems to be the way to go overall, as much as I want to subscribe to pure melee lich

[mighty tundra]

I agree

[fast spire]

mana especially so

[mighty tundra]

and honestly marrow shard flay sounds so cool lol

[fast spire]

marrow shard flay does sound cool

[mighty tundra]

it's just that flay seems to really be pushed into "hey you need to scale mana"

[fast spire]

just have flay trigger as many things as you can tbh

yeah, that THAT much of its potential damage is over there, with scraps p much everywhere else kinda sucks

[crude scaffold]

good luck with mana

[fast spire]

it'll be fiiiine

[crude scaffold]

lol

[jade cove]

While the mana scaling side of things gets a lot of attention pure melee is just fine as well. There are many scaling options for that as well

[fast spire]

It certainly seems decent

If a little less straightforward maybe

[mighty tundra]

yeah it seems a lot easier to scale via mana and spells

[fast spire]

Mana scaling Flay seems to just be "Scale Mana, trigger as many spells as you can"

[crude scaffold]

iso tele port to thursday

[mighty tundra]

in that case why don't you go for triggering CB instead of marrow shards and then using that to trigger Harvest?

just swap out death seal and marrow shards

now it's heavier on melee

[fast spire]

Flay w/ CB Harvest procs sounds kinda funny lol

[crude scaffold]

9% of health is alot is it not?

[fast spire]

9% of current health?

[crude scaffold]

9% every second or more ull kill yourself

[mighty tundra]

9% of current and it doesn't kill you

[fast spire]

nah

9% of current is fine

[crude scaffold]

does it go past endu?

[mighty tundra]

Because then you can lean into dex for flat damage scaling, CB triggers Harvest via dex and harvest scales from dex also

[fast spire]

it's consumed, it's not damage taken

endurance doesn't play a factor

[jade cove]

You could run a highly optimised setup that still triggers a few chaos bolts and caps out Harvest triggers from CB until you get the 3 Harvests/sec relaibly and then scale that portion not further. That way you will have Flay and Harvest do the heavy lifting and CB is only a vehicle.

CB is also very good to make easy use of Harvest's Death Inside node

[mighty tundra]

pretty much this

[jade cove]

Also another general thing. I still think too many people overlook Primordial Exalts, just because of all the new shiny uniques.
Those Primordial exalts will be way harder to get and onyl useful once you are far into endgame, but they have their place. I saw very few build planning on using them so far

[fast spire]

Primordial Exalts are kinda crazy

I was looking over some of the mod values

kinda nutty

I have ideas, but I'm too smol-brained

[mighty tundra]

big modifiers but i've fallen in love with Astral Blood

[jade cove]

There are so many slots were having 3 "full" prefixes or suffixes is just so good

[fast spire]

A well crafted primordial exalt should be pretty dang nutty

I'm looking forward to experimenting

[crude scaffold]

a slot potentially having 6 affixes is huge

[jade cove]

In my personal planned Executioner's Tithe setup a 4xT5 T8 primordial exalt would be a 22,8% more damage increase replacing Traitor's Tongue

[tall mural]

how do we think the leech from drain life will interact with scornful blood/hollow lich, will it just convert the innate leech to damage as well?

[jade cove]

Are you sure? did you count? 😄 You didn't count 😛 Harvest has waaaaaaaaaaaay more damage multipliers (finally!)

[mighty tundra]

You could probably make up the Dex you need to proc it by equipping a barbute helmet. The dex/int unique. Plus it's a bunch of extra flat damage

I can't check rn as I'm out tho

And executioners tithe will solve mana and give you an extra 10% more damage from the passive tree

You use it alongside flay. It's procced so it's extra damage

And remember harvest deals double hit damage to cursed enemies although idk if that's double of the base number or double of the final

[twilit flume]

and 100% crit rate

[mighty tundra]

Might be worth it if you've hit a cap

[fast spire]

I absolutely believe it, though I think a Traitor's Tongue is a pretty solid starting point for an Executioner's Tithe OH

While you're gearing up for that quad T5 primordial exalt

idk how easy those are gonna be to come by

[twilit flume]

quad t5 will be easy if you dont brick your forging potential

[jade cove]

Yes absolutely especially given how easy 2LP traitor's tongue is even early on. I talked about this a few days ago, but I really hope they increase the LPL on Traitor's I do like the item, but its a bit too much.

Having a LPL between Dragorath and Smoke Weaver woudl still allow easy 2LP and 3LP setup when you dedicated farm it.

[mighty tundra]

Yeah you've made a working Phys flay. I wouldn't invest uber gear in it though if you don't want to make it stronger

And I get it I'm playing a really off meta elemental nova sorcerer with my wife on release lol

Lich is for myself

[fast spire]

Yeah that pretty much sums it up. Traitor's Tongue is a very strong "budget" item that's easily farmable

[jade cove]

Yeah if you goal is purely Phys Flay that is right. I just suggested the Harvest setup because it would be more **melee ** damage specifically.

I totally respect not compromising on the main theme and goal! +100 DKP in my book

[drowsy bane]

I don't have the means to test it myself atm and LETools says no but seems to only consider the necrotic tag : Does elemental damage over time works for witchfire or is it flat damage over time only?

[jade cove]

That is also the way I plan and paly my builds and will be the reason that my own setup will never be the "objectively best", just numberwise

[harsh warren]

I'd rather my build be fun than powerful

there's usually a min power i need for that, but,,,,

[restive plume]

Dang, you're right, now I'm doomed💀 I'm gonna bait myself into playing shattered lance cold harvest necro

[mighty tundra]

Yeah the only reason I'm pushing so hard to minmax is because 1. I basically only play dot builds in any arpg and 2. I wanna kill the uber with a home made build (I've never killed him before)

[jade cove]

Yeah that is fine, but nowadays the vast majority of ARPG player always just go for the flavour of the patch with the biggest numbers attached to it.

Having some kind of minim viable goal is fine, but depending on what type of player you are and how good your build making capabilities are, you can achieve essentially everythign on every build.

[mighty tundra]

I think so. I play cof so

[jade cove]

Sounds awesome!

I also love minmaxing, I am a HUUGE min-maxer, but I never compomise certain aspects of a build for raw numbers. Usually when I start a build I choose a damage type, certain uniques or interactions and will work AROUND them. So there will be min-maxing but not on all aspects

[harsh warren]

that's why i'm goin whole hog on bleed AoD, and then later maybe full auto cruelty engine. I wanna play with the fun new toys, and it's a challenge to make em good enough to ride

[fast spire]

I can't imagine playing non-CoF in LE, personally 😩

I much prefer it

even if MG blows the top-end out

[rigid dove]

does the health decay from reaper form apply to ward or it is impossible to play low life reaper?

[fast spire]

Health Decay ignores ward, I believe, but that doesn't make it impossible. I'm planning to run LL Reaper

[fast spire]

Between leech availability, things like Aura of Decay Healing with some healing effectiveness, etc, you have a pretty good amount of sustainability for Reaper Form

Slayer-style Overleech, with Corrupted Form, is gonna go hard

[radiant vessel]

Same, I love builds that are complicated/high skill cap to actually play and I've learned that's rarely very good in LE 🥲

[fast spire]

I wanna clarify this statement; there's nothing wrong with MG, I just don't wanna use it for me personally 🙂

[jade cove]

What do you mean with "low life"? You mean missing health as ward/sec.

That will be possible with corrupted form.

When you have 7000-8000+ health you have 3500-4000+ missing health even when leech tops you full, you can work aroudn that with any combination fo missing health as ward/sec.

And you always count as lowlife for the purpose of Exsanguinous for example

[twilit flume]

7000 health?

[jade cove]

Yes as lich very easy, especially with corrupted form (30% MORE health)

[fast spire]

lol

[jade cove]

Acolyte still has the best (and I think only?) Dual Affix Health Idiols.
I didn't run the full numbers yet but I think with Reliquary Nest you should be able to get 10000+ Health

[rigid dove]

I was thinking if architects was good in builds like these but thats assuming that it works with corrupted form

[fast spire]

shhhhhhhhhh this is what I was planning to do

[obtuse quest]

We have this working meme fest:https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/planner/8w9e03pl#1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRdm41psQN4

[tall mural]

dont forget that if you run spirit plague harvest will also curse targets on its own

[jade cove]

Well it does work with that together. It does waste a little bit of its top end ward potential, but it "solves" all your ward/sec without any further investment.

Is that worth a primordial slot? Maybe? Maybe not?

[fast spire]

Tough to say how much you personally value the Primordial slot 🙂

but Architects would work for sure

[tall mural]

wild to think with 4 ailments and a curse you can get 140% more dmg and then double it

[jade cove]

I personally dislike all the defensive primrodials, because tthey are generally boring and not really build enabling. Architects is probably the only one that I would consider "build enabling" at least in soem cases

[tall mural]

I completely disagree, some of the defensive ones allow niches that we couldnt do before

[jade cove]

Yes if no other mobs are around

[jade cove]

Well I guess we would need to go into more detail which ones we are talking about exactly now, but that would be beyond acolyte anyway.

That is not a defensive item

[gaunt abyss]

i wonder if its better idea to play warlock to get get some gear and then start lich

[tall mural]

most likely, Warloch is smooth brain easy to start

Though I could see the arguement for melee lich start and transitioning to something else

[twilit flume]

thats what Im doing

have to level enough and grab enough passives to unlock infernal shade as I unlock mastery, and respec both skills to infernal shade and fissure, and the two of them take me all the way to empowered monoliths without really caring about anything

[earnest lichen]

I wonder how much chance to bleed you can get with those gloves that converts all ailment chance to bleed chance I think I'll be doing that with rip blood

[twilit flume]

then i switch to lich when my rune of ascendancies give me my lich enabling gear

[twilit flume]

like 1600%

[earnest lichen]

[twilit flume]

dreadful has a nice planner for it

[tall mural]

I could see dot harvest lich starting off pretty strong, that 40% dot dmg on harvest is big

[jade cove]

What enabling item do you mean?

[twilit flume]

ring of putrelescences to auto summon infernal shade zombies, and stygian coal

it will let me farm the exiled mages till lv 100

[jade cove]

Oh different lich build ok, I thought you mean some Flay Lich variation

[twilit flume]

then once lv 100 race is over I just farm ghostflame idols and then ghostflame

[jade cove]

I don't know all these builds. I am completely oblivious to DoT and Ailment builds 🤣

[harsh warren]

I can't imagine going to lvl100 fully not in the build i want to play, that's some different kind of dedication

[earnest lichen]

Do you think bleed rip blood would be better as a warlock? Especially with the new ailment gloves?

[twilit flume]

its only going to take a hour once the exiled mage setup is going

[fast spire]

idk i'm not super worried about bleed builds despite their strength. I'm probably gonna use Rip Blood until I can get Flay revved up a little bit, and that's about it

[jade cove]

Yeah me too haha.
But I also doubt that any significant number of player do that anyway. The majority of player do not even get to 100 when playing their actual main build they want to play lol

[harsh warren]

I got my first 100 last season on my no button brand of deception autobomber

[fast spire]

Last season was my first real "I'm gonna play LE a ton" season, and I hit 100 on a forge guard, that's my only 100

[earnest lichen]

Same

[fast spire]

I'm planning to at least 100 my lich this season, but I make no promises beyond that

[jade cove]

I think my first level 100 was my Harvest Lich back in 0.8.4, when they implemented Legendaries and my first Creator Unique. Those two things gave the game SOOOOO MUCH longevity for me, it's insane

[harsh warren]

yeah, if bleed AoD/bonecurseDecrepify works i'll probably take it to 100

[fast spire]

Bleed AoD + Exsanguinous or.... the other method I was looking at for bleed immunity earlier, idr, do be lookin' kinda silly

[harsh warren]

tbh the self immunity is icing on the cake

[fast spire]

I'm at work rn so my brain isn't all here

[harsh warren]

there's so much more lowlife support on lich i want to slurp up and the bleed gloves are nutty

[tall mural]

Im thinking that too, gonna be stronk with the leech dmg aura

[pallid plume]

Just comparing my option how bad is abom with no skill bar swap stuff.

Like if you just run 3 different minions + abom and then dread shade

[hidden sable]

getting 89.6% cost reduction on ghostflame with the idol booster is going to enable some goofy stuff

[tall mural]

good lord I didnt know it got THAT high

[jade cove]

There are only 2 bleed immunity sources now, the second one on top of Exsanguinous is coming with the primordial helmet

[tall mural]

I am curious what defensive weirdness were gonna see with that helm

[jade cove]

I don't think it will see much use outside of arena

[fast spire]

yeaaaah, the primordial hat

That was it

Like I said, brain jelly rn 🙂

[jade cove]

The stun immunity is great for so many builds, because stun is the single most deadliest thign in arena and many classes have no or very hard tiem getting stun immune or negate it enough

[tall mural]

I think it will fill in some niches that are gonna pop up because of all the weird stuff were gonna be able to do now

[hidden sable]

ghostflame

[fast spire]

The immunity helmet in general seems really, really good

Buuuuuuuut, I have my eyes on the idol relic, as previously mentioned

lol

[tall mural]

It's gonna be one of those things that's either your best option or completely useless I feel

[proud pilot]

Just not sure its worth it compared to the leech damage you could get otherwise.

[tall mural]

They really did a good job, like the rest of the tree is good enough to not take the leech dmg, but at the same time, it's so much dmg

[lost gale]

getting a good roll on mask of indifference is going to be a nightmare

10-100 & 20-200 ranges

[proud pilot]

260% increased is about 20% overall dps increase and the aps are another 10% or so - so about 30% from reaper form overall. I mean, super rough calculation here. But that seems to be on par with what you get with the whole leech as dmg thing?

[charred ridge]

in maps you'll definitely want reaper form, for uber you can probably use both, reaper might or might not fall off but you just play around and see whats best

[proud pilot]

yeah, probably have to do a lot of testing

[charred ridge]

i mean you play around and see when you go into reaper form

it's not a big deal

[proud pilot]

I think you can even do both

[charred ridge]

you do both

im just saying if it falls off you can figure out the timings

[proud pilot]

the amount of cb you can spam tops you off easily

or you can run aura of decay

[charred ridge]

what does aod do i havent read the skill

[jade cove]

I love it. Together with all the most recent craftign options like Farsight Turle and the Unique Sacrifice Reroll this gives so much meaning to Uniques. Because you want to find the uniques over and over and over again.
That is why both of my uniques have substantial roll ranges as well. I know some people don't like it but I love it

[earnest lichen]

Ptsd of trying to farm a well rolled 1lp nihilis last league

[fast spire]

I'm not that hard into LE, I've not done much by way of dedicated farming

my sanity remains intact (for now)

[tall mural]

It's a fairly decent balance on getting items, but some things are still just too rare at a base.

[charred ridge]

1lp nihilis is not too bad but 2lp is pretty rough

it's pretty likely your 1lp nihilis will be better than your 2lp a lot of times lol

[fast spire]

lol

I'm gonna see if I can't eke out some aspirational things this season, really looking forward to things.

[hidden sable]

there's going to probably be a lot of uber carries in this discord again on launch it shouldnt be hard to get nihilis again

[proud pilot]

aod recovers your health (not a heal effect, just flat recovery) based on your missing life. it can be used to essentially sustain reaper form forever (well, not forever, but long enough. at some point reaperform overwhelms the recovery, but it takes a long while)

[charred ridge]

oh ok

[jade cove]

The beauty of LE is, it gives you a lot of tools so even farming random drop items are relaibly accessable and farmable over and over and over again. Without risking your sanity^^

[fast spire]

8% Missing Health per second is huge

[fast spire]

CoF supremacy

[jade cove]

Star low with the goals and increase the over time, that's the most fulfilling and rewarding way

[fast spire]

That's how I usually do it lol

[jade cove]

Yes, but to be fair even as a MG player you can still target farm a lot, there are still the tools

[fast spire]

My first goal is "get a Tithe" and I'll go from there

Oh for sure

[harsh warren]

weaver feels more like target farming than cof oftentimes

[fast spire]

It is

[harsh warren]

"this is what i want" vs gearslot fruit machine

[fast spire]

god i love gearslot fruit machine though

[harsh warren]

ahahaha

gearslotmachine, as it were

[jade cove]

Do you play Flay Mana stacking from the getgo or you want to transition into it?

Executioner's Tithe is not build enabling, only build elevating. I did design that on purpose like that

[fast spire]

As soon as I get access to Flay, I'm gonna be stacking mana with it. I'm not waiting on Tithe to play the build

[jade cove]

Can I give you one tip?

[abstract summit]

Did the math for it yesterday but wasnt bueno

[fast spire]

Sure

[jade cove]

Don't do it right when you get Flay, do 5 more levels for Warlocks Soul Stealer Threshold

[fast spire]

I wasn't clear, that was my intent yeah lmao

Especially since

[pallid plume]

Hey for people planning abom how required is hotbar snapshot stuff.

Or can you just not do it an do 15mil dps instead of 20mil dps for example ?

[fast spire]

that also gives access to Chaos Bolts

But approximately at the time of Flay Aquisition, i'm gonna be running mana-stack, yes 🙂

[jade cove]

Haha yeah you are right xD

[abstract summit]

Altho i was counting scornful with leech rate so if you just interpret it as a delay on damage it is bueno. I think I was down by ~15% ish baseline

[jade cove]

Not using snapshot will still be fine, also most of the value from snapshotting will give Abom defense, not actualy damage

[pallid plume]

What do you mean ?

The snapshot is to summon 4 different minion then abom and then swap out those into bone curse, infernal + dread shade and AoD.

Which are all dmg buffs

[jade cove]

That is not snapshotting, that is just using skills to summon Abom that are not specced.

[pallid plume]

No it's technically a snapshot. Since you snapshot the bonus of minions and then remove them but snapshot the bonus.

I'm talking about not doing any swapping of skill at all.

[wintry flame]

you might even be able to snapshot shades too hehe I got a bunch to test

[pallid plume]

They removed gear snapshot but all the other snapshot is still there

[harsh warren]

you can run abomb/skele/mage/dread/(infernal/transplant) and it'll work Fine

[jade cove]

So you do spec the minions you feed into Abom? Yeah that is snapshotting

[pallid plume]

Well you can have minions on the hotbar without any level or passive spec then summon them and get the unique per minion consumed on abom and then remove them all for dmg skills.

[jade cove]

Only partially though, you can't go full balastic max skeletons stacking snapshot that and then unspec skeletons. Abom will be unsummoned if the skeletons it was fed are more than you can currently have

[jade cove]

Yes I know, but that is still not snapshotting

[pallid plume]

Will abom be unsummomed ?

[jade cove]

Only when the amount of minions you fed into it is higher than the current maximum amount of that minion is lower

So if you spec for 7 sekeltons feed them into it and unspec skele (3 baseline) it will unsommon Abom

[pallid plume]

Okay I get you

But I guess my question is still how bad is abom if you don't do any skill bar swaps after summoning it ?

[jade cove]

Yes to get back to your original question, you will probaly lower your dps significantly, however there is a way how you could build around that if you build around that fact that you want to keep stuff you feeed on it in your skillbar

[harsh warren]

last season I had a friend who ran abom using just skeletons, mages, and dread shade just fine. he certainly wasn't casting any additional spells

did a few hundred corruption, took him as far as he had interest

[jade cove]

Abom has a node that makes it use sacrifice instead of devour, so you could play exploding Abomb with Zombies. They will get automatically sacrificed by Abom

Doubel explode (fro msacrifice and zombies)

[harsh warren]

if you wanna run abom with no skill swaps gear swaps or presses past setup, you absolutely can

[bleak cypress]

anyone maybe made a planner for leveling lich??

[lost gale]

I think doom brand makes more sense for this because at least then the sacrifice & doom brand explosion are both player scaled, right?

not that doom brand is good, but it's almost free

[molten bramble]

This was in reference to leveling options when you are missing most of your gear like 50-70 playing corrupted form with dmg amp basically in mostly exhalts trying to gear for build

[molten bramble]

Click warlock instead

respec at 50

[grim rune]

warlock leveling is so way better

compared to lich

[bleak cypress]

wb passives?

[molten bramble]

lich is fine until 35-50 I want to die

maybe it will be better with blood tether but I think that is cope

[ashen bluff]

lmao yeah thats it

[grim rune]

there are so many builds i wanna try and I dont really know which one I should go for a starter lol

[ashen bluff]

each primordial unique is several build concepts yeah

[grim rune]

im just afraid the lich cb will get nerf hammer 2 days into season

[foggy notch]

Hey, any Necro mains? I have some questions about optimizing minion output for sacrifice

[molten bramble]

They have stated that they will not do something like that

only bug fixes

but who knows companies can lie

[grim rune]

well gearing VK into spin2win to farm is easy anyway

[ashen bluff]

the 20+ per attack CB is endgame anyway

[foggy notch]

It seems like the best way to put out as many minions as possible per sec is to max out skeletons, but wraiths have a higher ceiling
I just don't know how much cdr you can get when you take that thing that gives them a cooldown

[ashen bluff]

you start with a bleed variant most likely, that's easy to do with just a rare axe

[molten bramble]

build will be up and running in 1 to 2 days

[ashen bluff]

well, sure if you count all the hours

30+ hrs is plenty to get to endgame <_<

[abstract summit]

ye not for me lol, wife has her birthday on the 21st and a 2 weeks old 😄

[cold plinth]

Is this confirmed?

[abstract summit]

well it's coming from Mike

[molten bramble]

well you can use the baby as an excuse for staying up so late lol

[abstract summit]

i mean i do already have a stream to steam deck setup 😄 😄

crafting on the deck is kinda ass tho

[jade cove]

yes

[tall mural]

I think lich levelling will be better than people are thinking for this patch, not warlock level but definitely better than it was

[molten bramble]

will it be better? Yes. Will it still be painful? Maybe.

[stray basalt]

What do people think of flay? Will it be good or meh? 😛

[tall mural]

I dont think it will be painful at all

[abstract summit]

i almost said "i dont think there was a single bad new skill released since launch" but then remembered gathering storm exists

[fast spire]

lol

[tall mural]

I dont even think gathering storm is that bad on paper, it just feels and looks terrible

[lost gale]

level lich with skeletons and infernal shade pop

[tall mural]

Harvest DoT will be good

[lost gale]

actually that probably needs too many skill levels

how will harvest dot be good? any harvest dot build is missing out on the double damage to cursed enemies

[tall mural]

Ok? that's a hit build, this is a dot build, they are fundamentally different

[grim rune]

warlock leveling is so easy tbh

[pallid plume]

I did look into this also.

The main issue was solving the sacrifice mana cost. Also the way that node works it scales from your casting stat and no minion tag.

[grim rune]

fissure shade and u go

[lost gale]

yeah but the skill is balanced around doing twice as much damage as you're getting for dots

[jade cove]

The initial 100% hit damage bonus doesn't matter, harvest has enough generic more multiplier and some DoT exclusive more multipliers.

[tall mural]

Its balanced like that for HIT builds, dot builds have different scaling

[foggy notch]

Anyone?

[jade cove]

And? Requires different scaling and those hybrid builds do work, they just not reach the top end as much as the meta builds, but you already clearly showed you don't care for the very top end.

It was jsut a suggestion, if you don't like it its fair, but it would make sense in your setup because you are not "wasting" your action bar minions as much

[lost gale]

it has 40% more that works for DOT but not hit and like 100% more, 90% more and 52% more that work for hits but not dots

[old hull]

How much total multiplier does harvest have for DOT?

[abstract summit]

flay should be way better for DOTs even on its own

[old hull]

I don't remember it really having any, but that was before S3

[foggy notch]

There's a new primordial ring that may help with this

[lost gale]

40+18

I mean, it's better than marrow shards I guess

[foggy notch]

I've gotten pretty good uptime on a sacrifice build, comboing flat and % reduction is huge

[old hull]

Not a high bar

[lost gale]

sorry 40+18+18

[pallid plume]

Yeah but the real dream is to fully automate the build with double of the ring that spawns zombies and zombies spawn skeletons and skeletons spawn zombies.

[jade cove]

Finality and Mind Harvest are generic %mroe multipliers. It has inherent bleed scaling if you go bleed route and 50% pen for bleed.

[lost gale]

they're all adjacent to the starting node though so no travel nodes to get them

yeah 50% bleed pen is decent I guess

[grim rune]

there is some

[foggy notch]

For sure
I got close but I found hardcasting was just better
I did one zombie
And you can get almost 100% chance to resummon skeles with that shield

I would love if someone was able to answer my minion output question but it seems like nobody knows

[jade cove]

Also Harvest has inhrent acces to Wither and great synergy with Spirit Plague

[lost gale]

you can get 100% chance to revive skeles.

theres 40% on the skill tree, 40% on the necro passive tree and T5 mod for Sinathia Reforged shield rolls up to 20%

[pallid plume]

Yeah my fall back is just Profane explode mages if sac abom is bad.

[foggy notch]

Does anyone know if going wraiths makes sense or are skeles just better?

Idk how much cdr you can get

[old hull]

So like 95% total more for ailments, and it does have quadratic int scaling at least going for it

[lost gale]

what output question?

[jade cove]

I did a bleed Harvest setup with Eulogy of Blood and Life's Journey and it worked like a charm, this patch elevates this massively.
Now you could even dual wield Eulogy with some of the other good bleed uniques

[old hull]

Not a great multiplier though, it's fighting uphill very hard

[foggy notch]

I'm trying to math out the best way to do a hard casting sacrifice build
It seems like skeles at 3 per cast is the best way to do it but you can have many more wraiths out at once
The question is can you get enough fcr or cdr to make wraiths spawn faster than just 3x skeles per cast

[jade cove]

More damage is not the only multiplier a skill needs. 200% bleed with 50% pen and 4% bleed/int is enough scaling to make up the rest

[lost gale]

oh skeles will 100% be the best option I'm quite confident.
Wraiths cost way more mana, don't give you anything back when you explode them and sacrifice mostly doesn't care what you're sacrificing to determine its damage (there is one node which deals more damage if the sacrificed minion had more hp then you)

[foggy notch]

So my plan is likely lich then instead of necro
Lich has a shitload of flat spell dmg and they doubled effectiveness

[old hull]

I don't think it makes up compared to a skill with actual multipliers and better hit rate for me

[lost gale]

LET says it gets bleed per dex or frostbite per int depending on the transmuter

[foggy notch]

Only problem with lich is you can't use a shield

So I'll have to not rely too much on resummon

[lost gale]

uh what? you can use a shield

[foggy notch]

The passive that gives a crapton of flat spell dmg requires no shield

[old hull]

It shows bleed per int for me

[foggy notch]

I haven't mathed out if it's worth losing that extra chance to revive yet
But it's a sizeable amount of flat

[lost gale]

oh I misread it

brain fade

[jade cove]

Anyway I am not fighting over a ailment build either people try it or not I don't care. But people don't need to make it worse than it actually is 😛

[foggy notch]

This, specifically

[lost gale]

+13 flat isn't make or break

nor is 50% increased

but yeah they're nice

[foggy notch]

It's upped 400% with the buffs but yeah ig

[lost gale]

you'd still have 80% revive chance

without the shield

[keen barn]

Wanted to make a harvest/flay focused build between Blood Revelry on flay, the new 1h axe, and new boots. I know CB spam/mana stacking is better but that takes quite a while to come online so I wanted something that is viable while still farming earlier. Thoughts on reaper form/leech vs lowlife for that kind of thing? Also, if I take Iron Mouth's in harvest, does that only apply on direct casts of harvest? or will the Reaper of Mayhem in CB's tree also consume %hp?

[foggy notch]

You can always just hard cast I guess instead of fully automate

But we'll see

Should be easy enough to just mess around with both setups

[lost gale]

one thing I would say though is that sacrifice is very expensive mana-wise and zombies cast it at a 50% discount

[foggy notch]

I'm hoping the new ring will help with that

[grim rune]

where is node for 4%bleed/int

[foggy notch]

If you can get the cost low enough with that ring that some chunky flat cost can get it close to zero that'd be big

[lost gale]

the physical transmute for harvest changes the scaling from 4% increased damage to 4% increased chance to bleed

[grim rune]

oh

[jade cove]

What makes you think that Flay CB needs a while to come online?
That build works totally fine even without my Unique. It will work right from when you unlock flay and put 5 poitns into warlock. At that point if you gear for a with some prefixe you can already have 200-300 mana to proc a few chaos bolts

[lost gale]

different order of operations, you do all the flat modifiers first and then percentage changes

[foggy notch]

Ah

So best case scenario it'll be low but won't hit zero

[jade cove]

Iron Mouths does apply to triggered harvests. Only Wraith Skin and Ghost Conduit requrie direct Harvest use

[lost gale]

for example if you have the lich set gloves with -14 mana cost for infernal shade and which drops its cost to 0 then taking the Legion node 2/2 (+170% increased mana cost), it still costs 0

[foggy notch]

Interesting

I guess for balance reasons that makes sense

[lost gale]

in this case yes, but there are other builds which can drop the cost of a skill to 0 and then apply modifiers which make it cost more as a percentage for free effectively

[foggy notch]

The last time I ran sacrifice I got a bunch of mana spent as ward so it was kinda how I stayed alive

[lost gale]

zombies casting sacrifice for 50% off is a bargain really

[foggy notch]

Zero mana cost won't be necessary but getting close enough that Regen will help will be nice

I'm going to need a weirdly specific primordial ring in this case

[keen barn]

Stacking the mana, mostly. You need a lot of mana to really juice it and most of that seems to come from slamming. Plus honestly I like the idea of leaning into harvest/great harvest anyway, since there's so many things to boost it. The build I'm making still has flay procc'd CBs but its just not the main dmg aspect like the mana heavy builds.

[keen barn]

Hmm ok then I'd prob have to do lowlife since that + reaper of mayhem would be a lot of health drain, or just scrap iron mouths

[lost gale]

blowing up skeletons generates a lot of ward if you take the passive & skill tree nodes for it, 75 ward per skele and sustaining 3 skeles per second on average is considerable on top of other sources of ward generation

there's also WPS in the necro passives

I really doubt mana spent as ward can compete

[earnest lichen]

I've been monkeying around with this, but I can't really decide what other skills I want to use and what idols I should go for....I don't know enough about acolyte for this

basing some of it off of dread's bleed infernal shade planner

[foggy notch]

Yeah maybe
I remember it being pretty good but may have just been all things working together being strong

It's been a long time

[pallid plume]

I mean if it's dot you just run like all the minions as more things = more dots

[lost gale]

I think marrow shards has literally 0 nodes which make bleeds it applies deal more damage btw. The direct rip blood casts proccing marrow shards almost has to be a hit rather than dot build.
Rip blood is also not great at scaling ailments given that it doesn't multi-hit single targets and doesn't have many multis

[hidden sable]

fissure gets 800% spell damage and 4000% stun chance from the 1600% bleed chance

[earnest lichen]

oh...rip. ty for the insight

[gaunt abyss]

it have

not much tho

[lost gale]

but you'll definitely want aura of decay specced for physical, -1% phys res per int in the area is just such a potent node for bleed and/or phys builds

[gaunt abyss]

om nvm i red it wrong XD

[lost gale]

yeah I was looking at all the damage nodes on marrow shards, and it has a lot, and they literally all specify hits

[gaunt abyss]

it hit hard, not bleeding

[raven geyser]

Does anyone know what is base resistance enemies have and if there is a negative cap. Also if enemies have negative resistances then how does resistance shred and penetration work? i am asking bcs of this node

[lost gale]

there's bleed chance, doublecast and additional hits from the subskill that scale bleed damage but directly casting marrow shards is very dumb so double cast is ruled out and the subskill hits require precise targeting.

[hidden sable]

0 resist

[earnest lichen]

So should I transition to a spell hit/crit version? idk

[lost gale]

all enemies have 0% resists and there's no cap just diminishing returns from putting more into that single bucket of penetration and resist reduction

[lost gale]

not with those gloves

[tall mural]

There is nothing wrong with self casting marrow shards

[earnest lichen]

oh for sure would change the gear

[unreal hill]

how do diminishing returns work with penetration?

[lost gale]

oh there's no actual diminishing returns, it's just that the first 1% pen increases your damage by 1%, the 101st 1% pen increases your damage by 0.5%

[lost gale]

it's just that you're filling the same bucket of damage scaling and you want lots of different buckets to multiply with one another ideally

[unreal hill]

oh I see so going above 100 could be better spent elsewhere stat wise

[jade cove]

Mana is essentially the top end scaling yes, but it will be fine,... really good even early.

Regarding Iron Mouths, remember its current health. Depending on how your setup looks leech would easily mitigate that. Especially when you use corrupted work.
Also I would recommend not maxing Iron Mouths necessarily, there are much better options ,especially early on when your build is not fully optimized yet.

[gaunt abyss]

i still have no idea what build im gonna play 💀
i do wonna play lich

[raven geyser]

okay but shred and penetration will still work same way right?

[unreal hill]

tank cleaver solution is my plan.

[tall mural]

Just play whatever feels good to you, it's hard to really go wrong unless you go for something specific right out the gate

[lost gale]

I'd say maybe try chaos bolts with those gloves and aura of decay if you wanna do something similar but distinct from that dread build

chaos bolts is a very very dependable and strong ailment applying spell

[tall mural]

I wanna build around that fester node in AoD, that could be a lot of poison stacks from those

[versed fox]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oXPp16wo

I'm looking to make this my earlygame build, transitioning to monoliths etc etc. Did I miss any obvious interactions? Only assigned 73 talents, assumed levels of all skills is 16

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 60

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (37) / Warlock (16)

General:

▸ Health: 1,577, Regen: 21.02/s
▸ Mana: 122.3, Regen: 9.44/s
▸ Ward Retention: 107%, Regen: 8/s
▸ Attributes: 2 Str / 3 Dex / 44 Int / 2 Att / 13 Vit
▸ Resistances: 66% / 78% / 66% / 82% / 74% / 75% / 85%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 43%, Threshold: 315
▸ Dodge Chance: 19% (394)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 15% (245)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 93%

Used skills:

Flay / Rip Blood / Aura Of Decay / Harvest / Chaos Bolts

[tall mural]

shame converting it to bleed doesnt convert the bolts

[wide bronze]

Wrathlord still op?

[unreal hill]

did you mean to put traitor's tongue in mainhand?
oh wait it's bleed

[tall mural]

I wonder if fester launches one bolt for each stack gained at max or just one at a tim

[versed fox]

yee

[gaunt abyss]

problem so many ideas and lot of things look good.
guess it will depend on what gear i will get XD

[keen barn]

I can always move towards manastacking CB focus later, the great harvest stuff just piqued my interest off the bat. And yeah iron mouths would prob be the last thing I get in harvest and I can always tweak how many points based on how it affects sustain

[gaunt abyss]

making loot fillter will be hell tho

at some point will probably do mana/int/dex stacking for flay >CB> rip blood and harvest build

[earnest lichen]

Possibly. I might just try it still because I like the idea of blood tether + massive bleed stacks. Marrow would just be added damage I guess, idk

[gaunt abyss]

blood tether look like a very good single target dmg

[grim rune]

oh I just read tether leeches dmg

[earnest lichen]

yessir

[jade cove]

Looks decent, but you will have severe mana issues. because you don't use devour the damned essentially even with 3/4 deadly plot your Flay will cost 8 more mana that is 18 mana per flay.

You have no mana sustain interaction specced and only 10 mana/sec.
You need Soul Stealer in Warlock and a bit of mana regen. You could also spec Hew in Flay for some cost reduction.
Wraith Skin in Harvest only works on direct use
Anotehr Affliction in CB won't trigger because you have no automated curse

Other than that looks like a decent setup, but you will have issues scaling because once you want to increase the CB procs from Chros Rip you will absolutely run dry without Devour the Damned.

[jade cove]

Yeah that's fair, glad you like my Unique and it sparked interest. Just wanted to make sure you know that you could go that route from the beginning. It is not a setup that needs crazy endgame stuff to work.
If oyu wanna do somethign else before that, go ahead have fun with it.

[keen barn]

I've always liked builds that have an ebb and flow to it instead of just 1 move nonstop. Reminds me of my first serious build in grim dawn

[versed fox]

Do youi think speccing into devour is doable if I am draining myself enough? I was worried about the lifegain

[jade cove]

Well you have CursedBlood already, which does even more than Devour The Damned, if you specc Cursed Blood and Another Affliction you can get 2/2 Devour The Damned and have less health on hit total

Oh and btw Desctructive intensity won't work on trigger CB's

[lost gale]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BEp9g64Q
Sure, you do what you think seems best ofc. This is an idea I had been considering before, the idea is to proc loads of rip blood (maybe you could go into the coagulate orb stuff, not sure if worth it) by repeatedly breaking bone curse aura with chaos bolts

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (28) / Warlock (14)

General:

▸ Health: 1,186, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 104.51, Regen: 9.12/s
▸ Ward Retention: 78%, Regen: 25/s
▸ Attributes: 2 Str / 2 Dex / 19 Int / 2 Att / 11 Vit
▸ Resistances: 0% / 0% / 0% / 10% / 0% / 81% / 63%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 237
▸ Armor Mitigation: 6% (130)

Used skills:

Bone Curse / Aura Of Decay / Chaos Bolts / Rip Blood

[lost gale]

ignore most of the passive tree, I didn't really give it much thought

[versed fox]

excellent, tysm. These are great fixes

[lost gale]

and the skill builds are very provisional

[earnest lichen]

ty I'll check it out

[lost gale]

and right now it isn't using any passives or skills not available to any of the acolyte masteries so you can play it as whatever

[foggy notch]

Is rip blood actually going to be good?

[jade cove]

Yeah no worries. With Devour The Damned you definitely cann go int othe 200-400 mana range as well for some extra Chaos Bolts to get more value out of its skill spec tree.

But that will probably be all the mana scaling you wanna do maximum

[earnest lichen]

Probably not but I want to try it

[foggy notch]

Flay is interesting and they finally reworked that poison aura so I'll probably try those after sacrifice

[lost gale]

probably not, there's no second blood spatter to multi-hit single targets and the bennies for direct casting it (mana recovery, +flat spell damage, marrow shards) all either got nerfed or are kinda meh.
Also it's still got the issue of the damage nodes being segregated between sub-skills

[versed fox]

That makes sense. I try to keep the planner fairly conservative (4lp uniques lul) so I should have room for that mana when I'm in midgame

[jade cove]

I am not an ailment exper and I try to think which slots would be the best for some mana investment. I think you best bet will be 5/5 Occultist's Mind for 1mana/int Mana Blessing and then potentially ONE high T7 mana affix on a slot that doesn't have great ailment damage

Just the blessing and Warlock Node will be 150-200 Mana already on an endgame setup

considering you wanna scale Int anyway for bleed scaling and ward retention

[versed fox]

yeah

that's a very solid node

[abstract summit]

gloves and ammy are kinda competitive, helm could be a good mana slam

[lost gale]

helm has %maxhp and +skill for some builds, it's one of the most competitive slots

[pallid plume]

Okay I might do something spicy. Run Profane mages and then abom for bosses only.

You can convert him to necro so scales same as Profane and then you got skeleton / zombies / mages as 3 unique types and then dread shade / infernal shade to buff abom

[abstract summit]

if you need skills, but i almost never assume health% on helm on an endgame planner. you prob go with a seed for mana stacker, you prob will only have a 1LP, that's gonna be your best damage affix fo sho

also i did do a flay DOT build and i kinda didnt need skill levels I think. hit version needs a lot more

also flay is on chest

if you do bleed tho not frostbite then ye helm is a rough one, and prob ammy would be okay

[foggy notch]

Has anyone crafted a decent aura of decay build yet?
Looking for fun secondary builds

[gaunt abyss]

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/chaos-bolts-lich-guide#gameplay-header
i try to understand,, how the rip blood do poision?

[wide bronze]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oy5JdXno

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (21) / Necromancer (82) / Warlock (10)

General:

▸ Health: 3,041, Regen: 35/s
▸ Mana: 477.51, Regen: 9.84/s
▸ Ward Retention: 504%, Regen: 358/s
▸ Attributes: 1 Str / 11 Dex / 152 Int / 1 Att / 8 Vit
▸ Resistances: 71% / 77% / 59% / 94% / 102% / 226% / 96%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 730
▸ Dodge Chance: 4% (114)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 22% (898)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 60%

Used skills:

Summon Skeletal Mage / Summon Bone Golem / Infernal Shade / Chaos Bolts / Dread Shade

[wide bronze]

is these good?

[lost gale]

the build uses generic sources of poison on hit, any damage type can apply any ailment type as long as you have an affix that applies to the skill

[gaunt abyss]

ohh thanks, so like doing lot of posion and some bleed on the side

[celest steeple]

So if you convert Flay, does Dex then scale that damage type or continue to only add physical melee damage?

Harvest conversion nodes explicitly state the attribute conversion but Flay doesn't so I was curious. Seems weird if it didn't.

[pulsar raven]

they are very inconsistnent with conversion descriptions unfortunately

[celest steeple]

I'm gonna theorycraft on the assumption that the conversion nodes work the same as Harvest because it would be super weird if they didn't lol.

[gaunt abyss]

they do lot of rewriting to clarefy stuff

[pulsar raven]

does harvest change the necrotic resistance shred node? If not I think it is custom what changes and what doesnt

[tall mural]

I dont think it does sadly, that would be bonkers if it did

[earnest lichen]

I think I kinda know what I'm gonna do. throwing fissure in there because you can convert it to physical bleed

[lost gale]

res shred kind of weak for all the other pen/-res that acolyte gets, you'll hardly notice it in a lot of cases

it's only 20% at max stacks against enemies that matter

[earnest lichen]

probably will be bad but I can't wait to mess with it in game

is it thursday yet

[charred ridge]

depends on the build but mana stacking CB could definitely use more pen

the shred gives you 12% more dmg wouldnt say it's weak

[lost gale]

CB is split damage innit?

you'd want two kinds

[charred ridge]

absolutely don't want two kinds

[molten bramble]

90% of it is necrotic

[charred ridge]

but yes the base damage is split

keyword: base

[molten bramble]

You specifically stack necrotic flat

[abstract summit]

ye the reaperless version has the advantage of having an extra 12 pen on the dagger, but then you lose crit multi and increaseds and some flat and atk speed

[earnest lichen]

monka I didn't realize blood tether was so mana intensive. is that something I'm gonna be re-applying over and over on single target? or will it just be -20 mana every 3 seconds?

[twilit flume]

all phys

[charred ridge]

CB means chaos bolts

[twilit flume]

yeah

[charred ridge]

wym all phys 😂

[abstract summit]

he knows some secret tech

[foggy notch]

Sorry for ping but had an idea
Do you think drain life will help with mana sustain on sacrifice?

You can make it only target minions and it's 10 mana per sec per minion

[lost gale]

yes, but the playstyle is horrendous

[foggy notch]

How so?

[lost gale]

drain life targeting with dark shackles on your minions is sooo clunky

[foggy notch]

Mm

Rip

[lost gale]

you need to use dark shackles and minions created after the drain life is cast or who enter the area don't seem to get drained

so in practice you have to find a way to automate sacrifice (cruelty, zombies, maybe abom) and you spend all your time trying to place drain life on a group of minions big enough to sustain mana

and then a second or two later they're all dead and you're trying to target the next drain life

[foggy notch]

Ah
Was hoping the retarget would be decent
I guess you could channel it, esp if you fully automate skeles with the shield but meh

[lost gale]

and it has a chunky upfront cost

so if you equip cruelty and you ever spend all your mana

then you'll be stuck in negative mana forever

and unable to get back above 0

to cast drain life again

[foggy notch]

Too bad the retargeting on dark shackles is crap

[lost gale]

it works, you can even have enormous hordes of blood spectres running around

but it's just so so awful to play

[foggy notch]

What happens if you use stygian coal with the mana thing?

Do the beams give you mana or does it have to be draining

[lost gale]

I have no idea tbh

maybe it drains minions and shoots beams at enemies?

I really doubt it'll shoot beams at minions

[foggy notch]

Maybe
It's kind of a waste of a gear slot tho

So not really a point even if it did work

[lost gale]

that would be too easy to trigger abom/bone golem retaliation spell if it did

you could do zDPS and just shoot your golem to clear stuff around it

not with anything that hits that fast anyway

[foggy notch]

The "can only target minions" with coal felt like a weird interaction
If I find one I'll try it for lols

Quick reddit search says no

[raw tapir]

innit

[earnest lichen]

Would blood tether's 20 mana cost be applied every single time I rip blood on single target? Or would it just be every 3 seconds since a target can only have 1 blood tether at a time and it lasts for 3 seconds?

[little wigeon]

Whoa why is it so high. Please tell me that's a mistake xD

[tall mural]

I didnt realize tether even HAD a mana cost

[earnest lichen]

Yeah same

I'm speccing into mana regen on rip blood and shards hoping it's enough but idk

[tall mural]

I mean base mana regen is 8, so you regen 24 mana in that 3s, I dont see it being an issue

[earnest lichen]

My only concern is for clear

If I hit 5 enemies with a rip blood, that's -100 mana if I'm understanding tether correctly

[little wigeon]

It also only works on bosses or rares

[earnest lichen]

Oh

Then it should be fine

[little wigeon]

So I guess not horrible, luckily I don't really spend mana anyways

[modest escarp]

are tithe/traitor necessary for Bleed Flay CB Lich? I know the Carrion gloves are also probably BiS. I hate playing builds that you have to play entirely-differently until like level 85+, just trying to nail down a starter even if it's not strictly the best

[earnest lichen]

are you also planning on doing a rip blood build?

[pearl snow]

Tithe shouldn’t change your playstyle too much. Just the mana part which you’ll wanna build up anyways prior to gettinf it

[modest escarp]

Bleed version still mana stacks?

[pearl snow]

Traitor is for crit. I doubt you’ll really care that much, you can just get any ol dagger in the meantime

[little wigeon]

For leveling yea. Rip blood, spirit plague, reaper form, aura of decay and marrow shards

[pearl snow]

Only enough for procing cb

Not really stacking

[modest escarp]

Yeah I'm tracking

[pearl snow]

you should have enough mana from the warlock int gives mana node thing

[earnest lichen]

Hell yeah. I kinda want to see if I can make it work in end game too. But it'll probably just turn into a fissure build

[pearl snow]

I dont even think you want Tithe for DoT anyways

Bleed DoT has a couple fantastic weapons already

[little wigeon]

Yea most likely lol I'm just doing it till I swap to flay later on. It worked in the first mono in my 30s so it'll be fine especially with the changes

[earnest lichen]

I'm hoping the new primordial gloves are easy enough to get and I can get like 1500 bleed chance

That's the dream

[little wigeon]

Yea I'm curious how annoying that grind will be.. then getting them with LP. Altho nem may help with that

[earnest lichen]

that and turtle

[modest escarp]

Does anyone have an example from a previous season (or this one!) for a bleed lich leveling build?

[little wigeon]

Well it's all theory with all the changes. But I emulated it with poison since we didn't have the conversions.

But spirit plague has chance to bleed on hit. So set up with that and use Rip blood. Aura of decay converted to bleed. Reaper form for dmg %. Marrow shards for more hits (casted from Rip blood)

[modest escarp]

basically take everything I can for bleed/dot/phys % on the trees, leech, enough mana/int to sustain, etc. etc.?

[little wigeon]

Oh and minions

[modest escarp]

Yeah but those won't be spec'd, correct?

[little wigeon]

There's a chance to summom vanguard with 100% bleed chance

In the lich tree

[modest escarp]

I practice leveled a couple acolytes to ~45 (Flay swap in theory), just used bone golem unspec and it was very helpful

[little wigeon]

Combine that with the Ono unique for more minion bleed (it's very common drop)

[modest escarp]

Is it significant enough to seek out minion damage affixes and such?

[little wigeon]

Nah

It will scale your blood tether tho

[modest escarp]

Gotcha

[abstract summit]

Stat weight of mana should be closer to other dot stats on an ailment build as mana doesn't doible dip, but hitting 20 times is still kinda good

Especially with the gloves if you transform everything into bleed, cb and the passive tree and blessings already give you a lotta application chance

So i wouldnt outright rule out mana still being your best damage stat, but needs to be calculated. It certainly seemed like was the best on my gloveless frostbite build with a mere 600% application chance (didnt tinker too much with the weights tho)

[mighty tundra]

You shouldn't rule it out at all. I swapped taste of blood out for tithe expecting it to drop but the % extra mana pushed it from 61m to 72m on my sheet

Just because of the extra procs

It vastly outweighs the extra bleed stack you get from the other axe

[abstract summit]

Ye. Once you have 15 stacks a hit every 100 mana is 15 more stacks so that's preeeettyyy gooood

[mighty tundra]

Only downside is that I don't have the ramp up cut in half. However it completely solves my mana issues which means no harvest mana affix on my chest which means % inc life which in turn gives me more damage

I just have to press harvest every 5 seconds

[abstract summit]

The downside is that hit and ailment builds become kinda samey

[mighty tundra]

Yep

I wanted to avoid that but eh w/e

[abstract summit]

At least uses a different primordial and weapon so that's something lol

[mighty tundra]

I could use a taste of blood in mapping but I think the dps will be more than fine with tithe at early ramp up

Yeah I'm still sticking to the astral blood chest. Salt the wound gives a lot of pen but I can see why people want those primordial gloves

[calm dome]

Corrupted form+Impact Ward+Seed of ekkidrasil? Splitting DoT damage between Life and Mana and both having endurance damage reduction seems neat

[abstract summit]

Im curious to see if architect can drain more than cb healing, keep me posted 😄

Ye you would be immune to dots basically, but one shot damage would worry me

[mighty tundra]

It should do since CB is flat healing and Im gonna have % health lost at like 6-7k life depending on if I get lucky on affixes

Plus the extra drain from passives

Calculator says it'll be fine but who knows maybe something is different in game

[abstract summit]

Sounds good to me. Still better imo than corrupted form

[mighty tundra]

Yep I wanna take full advantage of a grave for two

[abstract summit]

Unfortunately bleed is once again better for this than frosbite 🙁

[mighty tundra]

Yeah I haven't played around with frostbite yet

There's just some really good bleed related uniques I gravitate towards

[abstract summit]

Ye

[mighty tundra]

I do see valdyrs chalice potentially messing with me in monoliths but that's an easy swap out

[abstract summit]

Fbite is not complete meme tho anymore but like maybe 20 mil?

[mighty tundra]

That's decent

[abstract summit]

10 for sure

[mighty tundra]

Enough to do most content

[abstract summit]

You have a planner btw?

[mighty tundra]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oR5YnryB

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (69) / Warlock (24)

General:

▸ Health: 5,730, Regen: 23.6/s
▸ Mana: 1,091.43, Regen: 17.04/s
▸ Ward Retention: 216%, Regen: 16/s
▸ Attributes: 16 Str / 17 Dex / 108 Int / 10 Att / 11 Vit
▸ Resistances: 71% / 71% / 71% / 67% / 61% / 74% / 64%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 32%, Threshold: 1,261
▸ Dodge Chance: 30% (1044)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 29% (1,367)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 102%

Used skills:

Flay / Rip Blood / Chaos Bolts / Aura Of Decay / Harvest

[mighty tundra]

All aspirational gear

The armour on the chest is to simulate the % mana regen as increased armour

Since letools doesn't seem to be doing that

[wintry flame]

hoping all the broken tree connections and stats are actually not bugs in game 🙂

[tall mural]

I never even considered using seed helm for corrupted form until just now

[abstract summit]

Pretty chonky

What's the payoff for health stacking?

I mean besides architect ofc

[tall mural]

Mostly using it to offset the can only have 50% downside, since your endurance also will apply to mana

[mighty tundra]

I can't think of one

It's basically a damage stat since it's converted to ward

And the missing health scales the CB

[abstract summit]

Ye only grave gotcha, just wanted to check if there is some hidden bleed thing i dont know about

[mighty tundra]

There's not much else I'd put in there

The only thing I don't like is that it's a 11 second ramp up but then again I'm not gonna burst Uber abberoth down, and it'll be enough to kill bosses normally anyway

If anything it'll help with the Uber since it'll be ticking for so long while I fumble mechanics

[abstract summit]

Is it dummy 70 mil or uber dps?

[mighty tundra]

Sheet

Dummy dps

[abstract summit]

Ah kay

Fbite is better than i thought but mine was glass lol

[mighty tundra]

Yeah this'll be tanky

I haven't made a 1 shot build it ain't time Rot jav lol

I tend to prioritise tank over damage

[grim rune]

i like big numbers :C

[abstract summit]

okay no, fbite 10M was also dummy so bleed is beeg

[calm dome]

I still don't see the point of this threshold node on Lich specifically tbh. Reaper form removing health regen makes this feel redundant. Yes, Warlock and Necro can still grab this node but it is a pretty deep investment into the Lich tree for them. Skipping out on Reaper form as Lich seems weird. What else other than death seal and flay would you want?

[mighty tundra]

Honestly idk if it's standard to talk in dummy or Uber dps

Hanging out here is the first timeI've heard it differentiated

[grim rune]

well uber dps is like looking at lv100 mob ?

with DR

[abstract summit]

dont think there is a standard lol everybody just keeps throwing numbers out so i like to clarify

[mighty tundra]

True

[abstract summit]

9.36M on 72M dummy

[tall mural]

lich tree have some good stuff down in the tree it has a use

[mighty tundra]

I haven't calculated it yet but I'm pretty sure it's gonna chonk anyway with t7/T5 affixes

[abstract summit]

and like you gonna blow uber the f up with that already so wouldnt worry too much lol

[grim rune]

DR is 86%?

[abstract summit]

87%

[grim rune]

what if build already has like 80% pen ?

then % DR is less ye?

[abstract summit]

that's not how it works 😄

you calculate your full DPS, then slap it with a 0.13

[grim rune]

oh it's damage resistance

not whole resist

gotcha

[abstract summit]

ye flat inherent DR whatever you do

[grim rune]

ye

[mighty tundra]

I remember going into a stream and asking about how much dps I needed for Uber while this build was at 8 million and basically being told "no" 😂

[abstract summit]

ye because they thought you mean dummy DPS 😄

probably

[mighty tundra]

No I was at 8 mil dummy at the time

That was my first pass of the build

[abstract summit]

ah ye that would be iffy

[mighty tundra]

I usually don't calculate the DPS in this game. I just do shit

And if stuff dies fast then great

[calm dome]

I don't really think any of the stuff down the Lich tree has synergy with the Bed of Souls threshold passive is my point though. Nothing else in the Lich tree is incentiving you to stack Vitality for the HP regen portion. Yes, you get the HP and necro/poison res with more Vitality but my whole point is that passive threshold node is anti-synergistic with Lich as a whole

[mighty tundra]

It's just when the Uber humbled my bleed paladin I was like hmmm

[abstract summit]

😄

i mean i kinda like there are some benchmarks to plan for

makes you care more

[mighty tundra]

True. Before the benchmark was pretty easy

I mean the paladin deleted normal abberoth

[abstract summit]

ye that's kind of a must have nowadays to even be considered okay lol

[unreal hill]

I'm using it in my build.

[calm dome]

But why

[unreal hill]

sustain tank. using healing effectiveness and regen.

[grim rune]

love how we talk about few millions then there is primalist bear dummy dps 1,076,487,808.40 which gives us around 140m uber dps XD

[mighty tundra]

Is that earthquake or that tornado one that's been floating around?

[grim rune]

EQ

bear

[mighty tundra]

Even after the nerf? Tf lol

[calm dome]

Ok you are repeating what regen does but why choose health regen over other sustain methods or utilizing reaper form or just going LL ward?

[grim rune]

yes it's after nerf

[calm dome]

Like I know what health regen does. But why are you using it

[mighty tundra]

Damn that bear is scary

[grim rune]

tanky version does like 80m

[mighty tundra]

How did they scale it so high?

[grim rune]

full glass 140

[grim rune]

no idea

[calm dome]

What is the point of it on Lich when you give up reaper form already by investing in hp regen

[unreal hill]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Bx862pOB
feel free to take a look.

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Necromancer (10) / Lich (50) / Warlock (33)

General:

▸ Health: 3,636, Regen: 823.6/s
▸ Mana: 157.9, Regen: 11.68/s
▸ Ward Retention: 196%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 98 Str / 12 Dex / 98 Int / 19 Att / 60 Vit
▸ Resistances: 60% / 60% / 60% / 155% / 16% / 76% / 76%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 187%, Threshold: 1,778
▸ Dodge Chance: 16% (537)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 75% (8,298)
▸ Block Chance: 79%, Mitigation: 50% (2,050)

Used skills:

Aura Of Decay

[grim rune]

there are like 60 multipiers from different places

[mighty tundra]

I'll have to look at that later, sounds like something nuts

[pallid plume]

Okay so abom seems way too messy to summon even if it's doing crazy numbers.

However what's the take on just zoo minions for clear and pop abom in there for bossing since you already have loads of minions

[tall mural]

I disagree, its just meant for different styles of play with lich.

[grim rune]

im still going VK warpath/ES for starter

[coral lantern]

Made it in

[grim rune]

easiest to gear and not risky

[calm dome]

Lol ok

[mighty tundra]

Safe and fun choice

Warpath looks so fun with the ramping area

[unreal hill]

servers up?

[grim rune]

Fast farm in MG to buy new stuff then test out builds

[unreal hill]

my favorite mg starter is running palarus.

[left whale]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Av6PjlRA

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (32) / Necromancer (75) / Warlock (6)

General:

▸ Health: 1,556, Regen: 22/s
▸ Mana: 1,064.78, Regen: 10.56/s
▸ Ward Retention: 417%, Regen: 382/s
▸ Attributes: 2 Str / 12 Dex / 67 Int / 2 Att / 6 Vit
▸ Resistances: 30% / 30% / 54% / 0% / 0% / 671% / 6%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 311
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (48)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 21% (811)

Used skills:

Summon Skeletal Mage / Summon Skeleton / Summon Volatile Zombie / Summon Bone Golem / Dread Shade

[left whale]

Messed around with minion explosion

[tender ridge]

I like the triple T6+ affixes on an EL70 chest

when you're gonna shoot for the moon, aim for the stars

[mighty tundra]

Well I did follow it up with that armour affix is to simulate a passive that isn't working

[tender ridge]

i was still looking through the build, didn't see what was after it lol

[mighty tundra]

I ain't that crazy

I know some people would just 4lp anything so I do understand the skepticism lol

Grinding out 2 t7 affixes is enough of a reach for me

[abstract summit]

ye im def doing that second lol

[dark inlet]

does Soulfire relic (hungering souls ignite instead of possessing) let hungering souls hit the same enemy, since hungering souls says "Enemies cannot be possessed by multiple souls at once" but it's no longer possessing?

[abstract summit]

or you know, maybe first. we will see 😄

[mighty tundra]

they must have thought of that, right?

they add a mana stacking axe to the game and make a mana stacking proc skill

[abstract summit]

i would assume devs usually cover the basic use cases but dont have neough time to minmax the f out of every edge case

i mean i dont assume, i know 😄

[mighty tundra]

Well

we can only hope

[dark inlet]

I feel like the most reasonable "nerf" to start if that ends up deemed too problematic would be just stopping the cross-class slam from working. that already takes the max mana quite a bit, right? like down from 150/s bolts to more like 100? (maybe a bit over 100)

[abstract summit]

nah it would be still 3500-3600 mana

[mighty tundra]

man i haven't even stacked mana that high on this build

i feel like i need to try now and see what it gets to

[dark inlet]

doesn't change what I said materially. still feels like the most reasonable place to start

since it's already super unintuitive to use another class affix

[abstract summit]

i mean if the animation or attached calculations are borked they are probably borked both at 156 and 178 procs

[crisp ridge]

@obtuse quest surely u cooked some aod build for this patch right?

[abstract summit]

they would just prob cap the proc

the cross slam thing is in the game since launch, there is prob a reason why it wasnt fixed yet so prob not an easy in case of emergency quick fix

[dark inlet]

probably, but I'm not talking about what's likely to happen. a lot of things get capped that kind of suck they're capped in LE

[dark inlet]

never said that was where to end, just a starting point

[abstract summit]

ye i mean hopefully we are in the green, just better to be sure 🙂

[mighty tundra]

excuse me wtf. 96 million if I steal that cross class affix and replace the majority of my idols with minor weavers

which i am 100% not gonna do because i'm playing cof

and i am not target farming all those minor idols

[abstract summit]

mana good

i mean you could always get lucky and drop a sent chest / helm which then you can imprint forever 😄

[mighty tundra]

true, it'd be sad to lose the 75% bleed duration on the chest but who knows maybe it's worth it

i should check

cross class affixes are so silly i swear

[charred ridge]

chaos bolts are 100% capped at 10 in 1.4

[mighty tundra]

yep i can see that coming

[charred ridge]

it's funny they didnt learn from static orb

[mighty tundra]

cap it at10 and give it like 30% more or smth idk

[charred ridge]

we're just repeating patterns 🤷‍♀️

i mean capping the node is a terrible solution anyway so

im glad we get to play the game for one season at least

[abstract summit]

looks like there is no shortage of one tap builds this season anyway

[mighty tundra]

ok so swapping the chest with a sentinel node is only 2 million extra

I could actually just get an easy LP helmet and put % mana on there

snowdrift or smth

snowblind*

sorry those are boots

[abstract summit]

OR

2 LP seed 😄

[mighty tundra]

yeaaah true

ok yeah seed is 86 million

and no idol farming. Just a weird sentinel/rogue affix on a helmet

• a t7 mana

[abstract summit]

easy

[mighty tundra]

68.8 chaos bolts a second my goodness

it's hot enough as it is already here and now my pc is going to become a toaster oven

i must say, Scorn does a lot of heavy lifting if it works the way we think it does

it's like an extra 10 million

oh wait no it's 76 million. I forgot to change my bleed duration

Still happy with that tbh

[pearl snow]

Hes not even starting poison with me smh

[crisp ridge]

is doing aod tho?

[pearl snow]

That I dunno he hasn’t divulged yet

[crisp ridge]

fair

im leaning towards aco so i can try both necro and lich with flay, but on the ither hand, the wildfire unique is the only one thay looks interesting

[pearl snow]

Yeah I wanna do a full ignite CB with Wildfire. But I’m gunna try starting out as a full poison spell flay lich

If that fails I just run warlock back again

[abstract summit]

what would necro do with flay

[tall mural]

flay I assume

[mighty tundra]

hmmmm

i really wanna do stuff with wildfire also

it sounds so interesting

[crisp ridge]

it cant

flay is 30 point lich iirc

or was that the dw, i could be wrong

[tall mural]

nah flay is deep in the lich tree

[old hull]

Both

[tall mural]

I really wanna try and see if I can just do single cast rip blood chains

[vivid ruin]

When using fissure's phys or Po conversion; do all the nodes that say "spread ignite" get converted to "spread bleed/poisoj"?

[rich frigate]

Damn, I am pretty sad that there is nothing new for my boy Warlock, or did I miss some new unique or passive change that can work for it?

[buoyant bear]

I reckon there might be something to do with the new Carrion of Creation gloves, but I've not had a serious crack at it

[rich frigate]

Yeah, thought so, but Bleedlock again is...

Welp, probably gonna cycle start a Lich and fallback to the good ol' when I hit a wall

[tall mural]

I wanna use that 2h harvest axe just to see how big of an AOE I can get with Harvest

[calm dome]

Bleedlock with Exsanguinous and bleed convert aura of decay seems obvious enough

[rich frigate]

Yeah, same build as always pretty much (besides the AoD I guess)

[slim mason]

MiNon bleed I guess?

[slim mason]

Going lich with this

[celest steeple]

Has anybody theorycrafted Dex Lich?

Just going full send melee damage

[slim mason]

Not really since not much synergy

[abstract summit]

what are your goals with it

[slim mason]

Unless u going dodge lich

[tall mural]

this could have been such an interesting alt ability for AoD had they not made it boss only

[celest steeple]

My arbitrary goal is 750c with homebrew builds

[abstract summit]

that should be fine imo. uber probably not

[celest steeple]

Is there something inherently bad about melee Lich?

[abstract summit]

if you mix in some spell procs from flay gonna be even better

tope end scaling is kinda limited

[celest steeple]

I mean ultimately I'd probs be using CB to proc Harvest

but the main dmg would be melee

[abstract summit]

it's not bad, it's just... flat

[slim mason]

Flay is the flava

[abstract summit]

but it def gonna have enough damage so you wont be checked before going into uber or 1k+ corr

[slim mason]

Gonna fall hard with uber

Lol