💀┃acolyte

[kind forge]

it is way too hard to not use it

[molten bramble]

It allows people to avoid cancer leveling situations

[abstract summit]

Which means it is good? 😄

[kind forge]

add like a 50% gold tax on respeccing the ascendancy over just respeccing points and not changing an ascendancy

mastery

uwu

[kind forge]

too good

[buoyant bear]

and I say make it free!

[abstract summit]

I dont know why ppl are fixated on lvling content needing to be hard and meaningful but that's just me

[kind forge]

i mean i dont care if its hard to level or easy to level but it shouldnt be easy to level as one thing and then swap to something else

[abstract summit]

But why tho

[kind forge]

because then why the heck would you do it any other way

[abstract summit]

Exactly? 😄

[kind forge]

exactly

[abstract summit]

Like you dont wanna do it that way fine why would that need to limit my choices who do

[kind forge]

it also means the ballance is always in favor of just skipping

its why lich never got any update until now

[obtuse quest]

Reaper form is just okay without specs tho, so you'll most likely spec it.

[kind forge]

because warlock was there to just bypass the torture that is lich

[abstract summit]

I think lich had lot more issues than just lvl 35-50 experience

[kind forge]

it was a massive wall tho

[molten bramble]

I think it still is

[kind forge]

you could climb the wall but it was high enough to disuade people from even looking that way

[molten bramble]

your only clear is sprirt plague and that falls off hard

[kind forge]

ye i agree

it might be slightly better now but thats just my copium

[molten bramble]

single target is trash right now and might get better with tether + marrow

[kind forge]

ye thats what im banking on

[molten bramble]

but it still is probably garbage compared to warlock

[abstract summit]

You can also just direct cast cb tbh

[little wigeon]

Pepecope

[abstract summit]

It's not bad per se

[formal sparrow]

Hmm okay. Do you know how freeze rate multiplier shit works btw? Everytime I see a node about it on a skill it always seems to have quite low numbers which makes me think its unlikely to freeze

[kind forge]

reaper form has stats without speccing?

[molten bramble]

I mean I do fissure, sprit plague, then direct cast cb on single target

[kind forge]

lol

[abstract summit]

I mean as lich 😄

[obtuse quest]

If a skill has freeze rate of 50, 200% increased freeze rate turns the skill to have freeze rate 150.
https://www.lastepochtools.com/guide/section/freeze

[molten bramble]

and just afk because I have 1k ward from spirit plague

[obtuse quest]

The double health bar is free and comes specless-

[molten bramble]

thats an interesting idea

[kind forge]

is that it?

[obtuse quest]

That's it.

Lmao

[kind forge]

lol

[formal sparrow]

But how does that number work?

[kind forge]

at least druid tranforms had like little passive effects implicit

[abstract summit]

It is better aoe and St than rip blood imo, sans the tether I have no idea about

[formal sparrow]

Like okay it has 150 freeze rate what does it translate to lol

[obtuse quest]

Check the link I sent, basically it compares the rate to the max health of the target.

[kind forge]

spriggan had some spell dmg
wearbear has life
and i dont even remember what swarmblade has

[molten bramble]

probably going to just go warlock, kill julra then respec

[kind forge]

ew

[formal sparrow]

Hmm okay. Ill have to edit my planner when I get home I think. Also im still struggling to decide on what primordial item to go for lol. I kinda want the dagger but some chests/Helms are looking juicy defensively. What does the 0.01 movespeed per dex even mean on the dagger btw ?

Im at work so i cant send a SS but it was a thinf thats like 0.01 movement speed per dex or something

[obtuse quest]

1% movespeed per dex.

[formal sparrow]

Ah is it? It was lacking the % in the planner

Damn I would be gigafast with that thing lol

[kind forge]

thought it was per 10 dex

[obtuse quest]

Idk I don't remember the numbers.

Oh yeah it's 1% per 10 dex.

[kind forge]

and haste

weak haste

[little wigeon]

Per dex would be insane lol

[obtuse quest]

If we wanted haste we would just transplant/play warlock

[kind forge]

ew

[unreal hill]

I refuse to touch warlock.

[little wigeon]

There's 2 sec haste chance on harvest and flay as well

[formal sparrow]

Ah okay per 10. Jeez if it was 1% per dex itd be the sonic build

Maybe ill end up using it maybe I just get a good axe. I dont even know if my build will work yet so we can qorry about primordial shit later lol

Im excited asf for Thursday tho

[abstract summit]

I would let a warlock touch me wait whaaat 👀

[kind forge]

lol

owo blood teather can be converted to necrotic and scaled on damned stacks

[old hull]

Admiral Ackbar has a few choice words for you

[kind forge]

lol

oh and also another random implication of the low life passive

potions become basically autouse cuz your never at max health

[obtuse quest]

LMAO

[old hull]

True. I wonder if the potion drop chance counts you at not full

[obtuse quest]

Wait that’s a bit funny

[kind forge]

at least thats how it should work if it works the same way it does now

so things like brewmaster buckler or the necrotic book relic

xD

[kind forge]

i assume it would count as not full

[lost gale]

don't suppose anyone has cooked a skeletons/infernal shade build up while I was sleeping 😴 im just getting stuck

[pulsar raven]

Death seal is nuts for a low life ward build now right?

[lost gale]

longer cooldown really made it into a defensive tool rather than a big dps scaling support skill.

[pulsar raven]

But cdr focus lets you use it pretty frequently, and 45-50% less damage on top of taking 90% over 4 seconds just seems ridiculous for ward builds

You need what 150% cdr to get it to perma active?

Or does cd not start til duration finishes?

[little wigeon]

It's after duration ends

[pulsar raven]

That’s what I was forgetting, still really good as a panic button, but not sure waves of death is worth trying out now then.

[vale jacinth]

well, they certainly went in the right direction, I think it's ok to not have a minion build on lich now :d

all though it would be funny because you can still make minion build on lich just have to use harmony

[obtuse quest]

Yeah because of it’s cooldown it’s been regulated into a defensive panic button.
A really good one mind you.

[lost gale]

waves of death might be doable with the evasion/movement node

but without the actual power of the seal backing them up probably not great

[tall mural]

That would depend on how low we could get reaps cd to imo

[pulsar raven]

reaper form doesnt work well with lowlife ward build though

[tall mural]

Depends on how LL you get, could be worth it with corrupted form, but Im not sure you could get comparable EHP with raw life or just LL ward

with the double idol affix chest or the relic, you can get like an extra 60% reap cdr, plus the 90% in the tree

[pulsar raven]

I may be being baited here big time, but im thinking of trying to build around scornful blood

[tall mural]

So are a lot of people, it's huge damage

With just the tree it's like 19% dmg per 1% leech

[pulsar raven]

increased, or do you mean it works like a more modifier?

because surely we dont know how things like leech rate or increased leech affect it?

[tall mural]

I think it's increased, but it's a lot of increased, and increased leech does effect it. I think the math was lich can get like 400% generic increased just in the passive tree

[pulsar raven]

thats more hollow lich though, the scornful blood node seems to be a bit of a more modifier using leech

[tall mural]

They roll into eachother, the dmg will be scaled by the next node, but the more leech you have and the faster leech you have, the more dmg you will get.

[abstract summit]

Well faster leech apparently just speeds up the ticks but doesn't add extra damage

But ye it's bigly

[tall mural]

Has anyone run the math on corrupted form compared to raw hp or ward?

[fallen rose]

Does the more spell damage from deadly plot affect the damage from dots triggered from chaos bolt?

[fallen rose]

I think the someone did it earlier. One shot EHP is basically always worse but obviously damage from multiple hits is much better

[pulsar raven]

30% endurance threshold, 30% more base life, get a decent boost from the ward gen per missing health, then theres also the offense bonus of low life

[abstract summit]

Ailments?

[tall mural]

yeah, it seems like a reasonable trade in the end

[abstract summit]

I feel like this story is missing by how much worse your one shot ehp is

[obtuse quest]

And whatever ground dots

It's trading one shot ehp for everything else ehp

[obtuse quest]

No, Dots aren't spell damage.

[tall mural]

Just dont get hit ez

[fallen rose]

I feel like grasp of the blood mage is almost necessary for corrupted form

[fallen rose]

Ah ok ty

[pulsar raven]

not an easy calc though, assuming you are generating max ward it should actually increase, because that 30% more life is big (well 23 if you compare it to the single point)

[obtuse quest]

You got 10% from the passive tree itself, and 90% from death seal.

[restive plume]

Abom's soul reave gets +1 flat damage per int, plus the 4% increased minion damage per int from the abom itself, right?

[obtuse quest]

You'll have 50% hp and 50% ward of 100% total health, ward isn't covered by endurance, so it's a really easy cal.

[restive plume]

Seems way stronger than the basic attack, so I wanna double check. Flat damage is hard to come by

[tall mural]

Could run ghostflame and stack all the less dmg modifiers

[abstract summit]

There is no way endurance on 2k life makes up for losing 5-10k worth of ward

[obtuse quest]

The former won't apply, since minions don't get attributes.

[pulsar raven]

I was comparing it to going life.

[fallen rose]

I assume you are referring to leach?

I just meant the line about 25% of dmg from rares and bosses being dealt over 4 seconds

[obtuse quest]

Life is always better for one shot ehp. decent ward counts are almost always more than half your max health.

[obtuse quest]

No, I meant % damage from hits being dealt over 4 seconds.

[abstract summit]

Ye but that's realistically not the comparison. We have ward, a lot

[tall mural]

The thing is gonna be how much one shot you lose vs how much you gain vs everything else

[fallen rose]

Oh true I totally forgot about that

[obtuse quest]

This is why corrupted form will always be a niche node, and not a must take.

[tall mural]

Nothing wrong with it being a niche

[pulsar raven]

yeah i dont think thats more than a 1 point node if you are going standard low life/ward, but then you cant reaper form effectively. I think its for a build that wants to keep high life for some reason

[obtuse quest]

It's kinda lich's thing as well tbh, hollow lich lmao

[obtuse quest]

Tbf even in a normal health build you won't always take it.

[abstract summit]

Well that's one way and sure full drain life low life not gonna reap during mapping
There are many active ways to generate ward too tho

[fallen rose]

I assume these effects stack multiplicativley but do we know?

[abstract summit]

But somehow, you will always have ward

[obtuse quest]

No info, might be additive.

[pulsar raven]

i think vs normal life its a one shot increase though (but obviously you need both health and ward regain in some form to use it)

[obtuse quest]

Not really? 100% health and 50% health 50% ward is the same, except if your endurance threshold is somehow higher than 50% then it's ALWAYS a one shot ehp loss.

And normally leech speeds are faster than ward regen speeds.(Assuming no hollow lich)

[pulsar raven]

you are ignoring the 30% more health that comes with it

[tall mural]

I tinkered earlier and i think I hit about 3k hp and ward, not that impressive tbh

[obtuse quest]

130%health split into 65% hp 65% ward.

[pulsar raven]

so its 106% health vs 65health + 65 ward, with endurance applying to more of the health in the second case

[fallen rose]

I think it works best for builds that attack %hp but still have some low hanging fruit sources of ward imo. Font of the erased has neat synergy with it

[twilit flume]

on ghostflame you can get 6k ward per sec pretty easily dont even worry about the health

[tall mural]

and then there is that node that moves dmg over time to your hp

[lost gale]

the issue with hollow lich for lich has always been how does lich sustain HP sans leech, AoD healing won't cut it, reaper form has 100% less health regen

[abstract summit]

I want to see these magical life stacking lich builds cause so far i haven't seen a single one even reaching 4k 🙂
Reality is you will run 1-2 LP legos in almost every HP suffix slot, with your offense affixes on them, vitality gives basically nothing for us, there is very limited amount of it on the tree, same with health %

[obtuse quest]

Rip blood lmao

[topaz juniper]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/zh/Q0kKdDkA
The MP cost is unknown...

[lost gale]

lmao

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Necromancer (11) / Lich (72) / Warlock (10)

General:

▸ Health: 1,268, Regen: 23.6/s
▸ Mana: 710.74, Regen: 21.12/s
▸ Ward Retention: 237%, Regen: 53/s
▸ Attributes: 15 Str / 100 Dex / 76 Int / 15 Att / 16 Vit
▸ Resistances: 62% / 62% / 62% / 83% / 74% / 124% / 90%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 41%, Threshold: 254
▸ Dodge Chance: 17% (556)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 22% (882)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 111%

Used skills:

Flay / Chaos Bolts / Harvest / Summon Volatile Zombie / Sacrifice

[pulsar raven]

just go with it and dont regen life and go low life/ward is i think the intention

[obtuse quest]

What MP cost?

[lost gale]

no corrupted form then? LL + no leech + corrupted form is asking for trouble

[tall mural]

It still caps your ward at half your max hp, so you still want hp

[obtuse quest]

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/planner/8w9e03pl#1 (Season 2 setup)

[topaz juniper]

Skill linkage

技能的聯動

[pulsar raven]

1 point only, but yes, you dont take everything

[tall mural]

I think you could get away with LLL corrupt if you didnt go reaper

[lost gale]

ill just say that lowlife ward felt squishy in 1.2 with all the Warlock defensive nodes relating to cursed enemies and lich doesn't have that

[topaz juniper]

I don't know how feasible this configuration is

不清楚這個配置可行性如何

[lost gale]

lich just going straight LL is going to be paper thing afaict

[obtuse quest]

Cruelty has been known to eat your mana like drinking water. Without any new mana regen tech it will have the same result.

[pulsar raven]

new death seal is insane when its up - 50% damage reduction, and 90% delayed damage

[lost gale]

the only way cruelty works is with life drain taking mana from as many minions as you can manage

[obtuse quest]

(Also I'm surprised LEtools already has the CN translation)

[lost gale]

terrible uptime

[obtuse quest]

Death Seal's only downside is uptime

3/13 is ass

[tall mural]

I think you just dont go hollow, keep your leech, try to get your end thresh equal or close to equal to your 50% and murder things and accept sometimes you're gonna go oom

[lost gale]

yeah I think corrupted form, erased/WW ward on hit ring and keep leech is the way to go

ofc lich looks a bit light on damage post patch like that...

[pulsar raven]

its 4/14 without CDR (duration nodes), and you can easily get 50-60% which takes it to something more like 4/10, but yes uptime is an issue

[tall mural]

Use titan heart/null with a 2h weapon, go into warlock for -dmg taken while channeling?

[topaz juniper]

Even at 84+ MP per second, it’s still insufficient?

[obtuse quest]

50-60% cdr would make it about 7+4 seconds, but yeah.

[obtuse quest]

Chaos bolt is spending mana while refunding it, Idk where else you're getting your mana. Flay still costs 10 mana per press.

[pastel pagoda]

[topaz juniper]

?

[lost gale]

fire up offline mode right now and try to make cruelty sacrifice work with un-nerfed rip blood mana recovery.

[kind forge]

oh ok

they didnt remove the crit from that one passive

they just moved it to the very end of the tree

[lost gale]

"when you use" doesn't count for harvests triggered by chaos bolts afaik

[obtuse quest]

Oh I missed that, but you have to be pressing harvest, not procing it.

[topaz juniper]

Was it changed? Because this season I played it like this.

[kind forge]

nope nvm nvm

[topaz juniper]

There is indeed a trigger

確實有觸發

[kind forge]

they did screw it u[

up

its melee only crit chance

[topaz juniper]

GG

[lost gale]

you were getting mana back from the harvests triggered by chaos bolts in 1.2? I was sure that didn't work

[topaz juniper]

Yes, but I use the crack + Chaos Arrow, just need a lot of agility

是的 但我是使用裂縫+混沌箭 只是要很多敏捷

Not sure if it was removed

不清楚是否被移除

[obtuse quest]

IIrc harvest procs never gave mana, since you didn't (use) the skill

If it did I think cruelty would have been solved last patch.

[kind forge]

wonder if this will be a thing now

well maybe not the far left cuz thats hit dmg only

[ebon mica]

FYI: it's implemented now

[pallid plume]

How is abomination theory crafting going ?

Been sleeping so I'd plan still recurve for clear or are people planning just all the aoe nodes and hope a single melee clears a pack ?

[topaz juniper]

I just went to test it but I didn't start RIP

剛剛去測試了一下 確實沒發動 RIP

[obtuse quest]

There's a theory going around where recurve isn't affected by cooldown so people are just juicing stomp instead.

[obtuse quest]

F no mana for you.

[topaz juniper]

Seems like I’ll have to rely on Drain Life again.

[visual girder]

Going near an aura of decay user (they forgot to turn off their stink cloud)

[obtuse quest]

Just transfer it to an enemy-

[twilit flume]

https://tenor.com/view/neo-matrix-bullets-stop-gif-3480026

rip

[visual girder]

Good idea

[coarse bear]

Can AoD be sustained indefinitely or do you sometimes need to stop to drop poison off?

[slim mason]

Get primal glove and exsang

[pallid plume]

So is the idea get piles of aoe so stomp one shots a pack and then try to get like less than 1 sec cooldown ?

I assume then you got to run arons for extra golem for CD.

[obtuse quest]

It can be if you don't die from it.

[obtuse quest]

Iirc? Not too sure how well that's working out, since the CDR is not tied to golem count.

[coarse bear]

So it can actually kill you, it doesn't ever turn off on it's own?

[pallid plume]

Yeah before I went to bed it was all about recuve. But devs confirmed currently you can only have 1 at a time.

[obtuse quest]

It only turns off if you die.

it shouldn't do enough damage to kill you by itself unless you're low.

[abstract summit]

And was this good? 😄

[obtuse quest]

It was very specific, and funny.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRdm41psQN4

[pallid plume]

Normally with aura of decay you the nodes so it gives you regen and cap the relevant resistance to 75% so the downside is negated

[abstract summit]

That's actually pretty decent expected way worse lol

[obtuse quest]

I reacted almost the same way when misha showed me the video lmao

Went "Is that even good" to "Hey, that's really funny"

[abstract summit]

Maybe Dread's poison flay will be the real deal

[abstract summit]

Holup

Ward on hit ring?

[rigid wyvern]

I'm excited to try it out

[lost gale]

its the weavers will ring.
gain 1 ward on hit per 10 missing mana up to your missing life total

[rigid wyvern]

It will be the build I will be trying once I have the gear for it together

[abstract summit]

Is there a cap on that?

[pallid plume]

Okay how small is the base abom melee ?

Since if you run skeleton archer just for aoe you could hit like 200% aoe on abom on his new 3.5 base radius melee hit

[rigid wyvern]

No cap on the weavers other than you max HP

[lost gale]

you're always missing at least your ward cap with coruoted form

no limit on procs/s or anything like that

[abstract summit]

So if i hit 160 times a second and have 2k mana and consume like 150 a sec, that sounds kinda good

[lost gale]

and it's 100% chance on hit, doesn't need crits or anything

very good for corrupted form

[abstract summit]

F corrupted form im just dropping it on my mana stacker instead of one red ring lol

[visual girder]

Oh fancy meeting you here, just earlier today watched your theory crafting vid and def will run the aod defiling nova build as it looks hella fun

[lost gale]

it will only generate ward if you have less ward than missing health

which is obviously a condition easily met by corrupted form, but not so easily by anything else

[abstract summit]

Ah okay ye missed that

Altho wondering if the other line would do something for me instead

But nah i guess my spent is only like 80ish a sec

Well back to trusting rip blood ward gen i guess

[grim rune]

did u change something from last unethical build?

[abstract summit]

Nah the one shot build is pretty much as is. Only thing to tailor is figuring out how much drain life ward gen we can afford without dropping reaper, and how long we can sustain reaper with scornful but those are test on live things

Im just looking at extra ward gen tech to increase survivability during mapping, that's the only thing im a little bit iffy on
I was promised rip blood will take care of us but i have trust issues lol

[latent mesa]

literally watching that same vid myself. Love dreads stuff to get me fired up on some Le

[grim rune]

I think for mapping switch from julras to weaver rings will be just fine

I think someone suggested it above

[abstract summit]

Is what i was thinking but they do nothing for us unfortunately

[grim rune]

how so?

don't we spend mana?

[abstract summit]

18X4 per second

So that's a grand total of like 20 ward per sec lol

[grim rune]

oh it doesn't include the 'spend' from chaos rip?

[abstract summit]

Ye that's consumed unfortunately afaik

[grim rune]

sadge

[abstract summit]

The other line could be interesting but only when we are ablut to die

[grim rune]

do we crit a lot?

what was our crit chance?

but meh, third eye sucks ass

[abstract summit]

Like basically ward disappears, hp drops, you panic death seal, bum you are instantly back to 3k ward

So when you come out of seal you have some leeway

Or just naturally when reaper form starts to drain heavily you are guaranteed a "ward floor" with it as long as you are hitting

You know what that might still be a good QoL feature, needs to be tested

It kind of shores up ward's weakness, usually protects against big hit bit kinda slow to recuperate
This would continuously bring it back up instantly to a low 1-3k level when you are under barrage but not getting one shot

[left whale]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Av6PjlRA

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (32) / Necromancer (73) / Warlock (6)

General:

▸ Health: 1,556, Regen: 22/s
▸ Mana: 902.6, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 383%, Regen: 376/s
▸ Attributes: 2 Str / 12 Dex / 67 Int / 2 Att / 6 Vit
▸ Resistances: 30% / 30% / 54% / 0% / 0% / 671% / 6%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 30%, Threshold: 311
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (48)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 21% (811)

Used skills:

Summon Skeletal Mage / Summon Skeleton / Summon Volatile Zombie / Summon Bone Golem / Dread Shade

[left whale]

my version of minion explosion build

[raven rock]

Fml just realized flay is not until 30 into lich

What if I get it and hate it

[mighty tundra]

Respec necro or smth

[vivid ruin]

Do we know if coping skills gets around cthonic fissures max fissure limit?

[raven rock]

I don’t play minions in any arpg

But did enjoy warlock

[mighty tundra]

Yeah warlock will still be good

[raven rock]

Yeah had a lot of fun two league ago with that fissure build

But will swap to shatter strike if lich is not fun prob

But have a feeling flay will be a vibe

[obtuse quest]

Coping skills?

[grim rune]

time to make new filter finaly

zzzz time

[vivid ruin]

Hahaha. Freudian. I meant copying. I.E primordial ignite amulet that copies last skill. It would still eb stopped by cthonics cap of max 2 wouldnt it?

[grim rune]

I think it's capped

that would be funny tho if not

[grim rune]

so cap is 2

[vivid ruin]

Yea, woulda been fkucked had it ignored the cap.

[obtuse quest]

Capped, it follows the cap as usual

[grim rune]

about that amulet I wanted to create some meme volatile zombie build

[solemn mountain]

how the buffs for minions looking like this new season coming up

[grim rune]

top tier

[solemn mountain]

actually ? or will have to get whole ass set of gear just to swap

[lost gale]

chaos bolts triggering harvest triggering zombies which are blown up by chaos bolts seems like a pretty reasonable use of that amulet

but zombie ignites won't be spread

[grim rune]

well I thout more of 'non dot' build

having some ignite chance and just constantly summoning volatile zombies

[lost gale]

ah well the thing is that kind of ailment prolif is actually incredibly powerful in LE

obviously not for single target but there are no checks whatsoever to ensure that a particular ignite you apply to an enemy doesn't get spread back to them a second after it spread from them. At least I'm pretty sure that's how it works

so a lot of the power budget of the amulet is tied up in that proliferation effect I think. If you don't use it you're probably getting a kinda mid primordial

[charred ridge]

35% more dmg without even looking at any of the ignite stuff is NOT a mid primordial

[grim rune]

people look at this amulet only for ignite part

I look for it as 'repeat skill' spam

[lost gale]

35% more is kinda mid, especially when it's delivered in a way that is subject to the whims of RNG & AI targeting.

I bet you can get way more than 35% more out of the right primordial

[charred ridge]

how many primordial items, out of the 25, give you more than 35%? I'll wait

[lost gale]

depends on the build

[charred ridge]

also AI targeting on single target....

"depends on the build" there are a ton of primordial items that won't give you even close to 35% even in the right build

[lost gale]

for one I'm guessing that frenzy effect per str belt adds way more than 35% relative to the next best belt choice for quite a few builds

[charred ridge]

there are some that will give you way more, sure

[lost gale]

yeah I agree, some of the primordials just look bad

[charred ridge]

frenzy belt can multiply your dmg by 13

does that mean ANY item that doesnt multiply your dmg by 13 is mid?

i don't think that's how it works

[lost gale]

no, but I think 35% more is probably achievable by some primordial exalted items

[charred ridge]

wisp amulet is way above average performance

[lost gale]

eg Sinathia mace T8 affix probably better than 35% more to Witchfire

[charred ridge]

good for witchfire

meanwhile some other builds can't even get more than 20% dps from their primordial slot

[lost gale]

yeah but the opportunity cost of using wildfire embers isn't that you get to use the mediocre looking Low Life chest, the opportunity cost is not using the very best option for your build

[charred ridge]

so I'll take a floor of 35% for any fire skill

[lost gale]

sure

[charred ridge]

if you can get more from another item then good for you but 35% is definitely not mid, a lot of other builds get less value than that

[lost gale]

does it really average out to 35% more? I saw that you expect to have 2.8 ish wisps at any given moment and then there's the chance to proc it per cast

I hadn't looked at the numbers

[charred ridge]

8x.36x.12 = .345

[grim rune]

what if we mix these together and we just play perma volatile zombie spam XD

[charred ridge]

it even gives 25% health and 75% fire res and some mana i mean it's pretty stacked

[rose junco]

hello quick question, does this node work if there is a wandering spirit summoned by a skill without using wandering spirits skill? or does the skill need to be on cooldown?

[charred ridge]

that ammy goes so hard on fire flask

[lost gale]

it's probably my fav primordial, I like it a lot, I just can't really imagine not using it for ignite prolif

[charred ridge]

i don't even look at the ignite

literally don't care

and it's still absolutely stacked

you can compare it to the overcrit amulet since it even shares the same gear slot

you know 170% crit multi is kinda good

but wisps are even better 🤷‍♀️

[obtuse quest]

This concerns the duration of the skill, not the duration of spirits

[grim rune]

how this node works if I have my shade being able to cast on minions?

[obtuse quest]

It will just find the closest valid target.

[grim rune]

so either enemy or minion?

[rose junco]

thanks

[glass shale]

Hello i read something about snap shot changes, is that still a thing ?

[lost gale]

they claim to have removed most snapshotting, eg if the number of skill points or max minions changes for something put into an abomination then the abom dies.

I think just generally changing equipment causes your minions stats to be updated and stuff like that

[obtuse quest]

Ye

[obtuse quest]

Equipment snapshot is supposedly dead, but buff snapshotting still worked as usual

[glass shale]

oh that sounds giga good

i fcking hated it

[grim rune]

but

'only' minions

[lost gale]

KZB means if it can target enemies it'll target the nearest enemy, if it can only target minions it'll target the nearest minion

[grim rune]

i just wonder if u can really make volatile zombie bomber with infernal shade which switches target on death with amulet

[lost gale]

the switching targets on death doesn't seem to work very well

if you use devour in flames with zombies you probably also want the explosion on end

[grim rune]

i spam volatile -> zombies die they have chance to get wisp which can again spam volatile. on death i spam infernal shade

and when shade target dies it targets closest volatile zombie

additionaly the volatile spam would be so huge we could insert sacrifice too...

[lost gale]

okay well volatile zombie spam is very expensive for one thing

how are you sustaining mana?

you can make infernal shade free with the lich's scorn set gloves

sacrifice though, that'll always tank your mana

[mighty tundra]

2 more days boys. 2 more days until swapping to Flay early in excitement and running out of mana

[lost gale]

exactly, spamming infernal shade as a buff on minions triggers the infernal shade explosion

if it's just the DOT then spamming infernal shade just refreshes the DOT

re-casting infernal shade on an enemy with an infernal shade on them doesn't trigger the explosion, but it does when it's a buff on your minions

[grim rune]

okay

[tender ridge]

Lesgo

[charred ridge]

idol copy paste is huge

[pulsar raven]

how does rip blood hit 3 enemies to trigger marrow shards, or does it count the blood splatter?

or is it basically a counter, so one shards every 3 casts?

[obtuse quest]

New rip blood hits in a line in case you didn’t knew

[pulsar raven]

no, i didnt, that sounds good

and no damage nerf to go with it right?

[obtuse quest]

Don’t think so, the spell damage buff got nerfed tho

[opaque coyote]

what flay variant seems to be the best to play?

[charred ridge]

chaos bolts

(the mana stack)

[opaque coyote]

spell triggers?

[charred ridge]

yeah

[opaque coyote]

flay itself is too mana intensive so cant use it for direct damage?

[charred ridge]

you can it's just worse

there are still melee flay builds with very high dmg

if you really want to

but both dmg and survivability seem lower for the builds i've looked at, maybe i'm missing stuff

[opaque coyote]

full crit version with reen of eye and the primordial amulet but its very glass cannon imo

[charred ridge]

if you really want high dmg you go frenzy belt but you end up literally zhp

[opaque coyote]

this the glass cannon https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/planner/8c9qp0g0

[rose junco]

hello, i'm trying to find a way to play with the exquisite blood node changing flay to cast spell, but i struggle to find out how to make it work, it looks meh, i was wondering about using wandering spirits / or using cold damage but i don't know how to deal with it did anyone give a look to it?

[charred ridge]

i have a very hard time believing it's even close to optimal

"glass cannon" slamming health

idk man

[opaque coyote]

wdym

[charred ridge]

if you're making a glass cannon why would you slam hp

and a lot of other choices seem a bit sus

like the idols

[obtuse quest]

It’s hard to beat procing 20 chaos bolts per flay cast.

[opaque coyote]

ah i meant its still glass cannon with the hp

[charred ridge]

gotcha

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Bae7DmeB

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (84)

General:

▸ Health: 1,351, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 349.28, Regen: 9.92/s
▸ Ward Retention: 256%, Regen: 27/s
▸ Attributes: 112 Str / 63 Dex / 112 Int / 8 Att / 9 Vit
▸ Resistances: 17% / 17% / 17% / 5% / 5% / 80% / 30%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 270
▸ Dodge Chance: 17% (562)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 68% (6,044)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 100%

Used skills:

Reaper Form / Flay / Aura Of Decay

[charred ridge]

that's a quick actually glass cannon melee flay build i made the other day

it sims 20mil dps (on uber not dummies)

im sure it can be optimized more

but that's what i got

harvest could also yield higher dps instead i havent checked

lmc

[opaque coyote]

what about poisons with the 2h staff forgot its name

[obtuse quest]

Plaguebearer?

[opaque coyote]

ya

[obtuse quest]

Not too sure

Aod being usable helps though

[patent drift]

you can use it as a stat stick with the new bleed conversion gloves

it has a lot of poison chance baseline

[opaque coyote]

so for the flickerstrike play style - poison w/AoD seems the best option, maybe cold w/harvest is a possibility , bleed variant is very mana heavy , and no idea about the necrotic variant

[charred ridge]

harvest kinda same dmg as flay ngl

[obtuse quest]

Don’t think poison wil be the best since you won’t land much ailments in one swing

And the aod transfer node only works on one enemy at a time

[vivid ruin]

Necrotic slaps. Best one from what i've looked at.

[opaque coyote]

got a planner?

i mean flay being the damage dealer, not chaos bolts

[grim rune]

so many versions of flay Im already confused lol

[vivid ruin]

We don't do that here...

All mana, all bolts, everywhere, all at once.

[bleak glacier]

Yeah chaos bolts looks so good

[opaque coyote]

chaos bolts is definitely the best flay build

[vivid ruin]

Yep. Deadly plot is cracked to. It makes poe2's archmage look like archmage from temu.

[mighty tundra]

Alright, I got bleed flay to around 69 mil

[opaque coyote]

whats the mana like

[mighty tundra]

only sad thing is that I can't use taste of blood now

manas fine it uses executioners tithe

[vivid ruin]

per second? How? We tried to put one together and only got to 11m dps best we could guess. dots are weird to calc. We must be missing something cracked.

[mighty tundra]

for like most flay builds imo

[mighty tundra]

Stack life and mana mainly

int gives mana, new axe gives increased mana

[vivid ruin]

Same we did.

[opaque coyote]

is this chaos bolt direct cast or with flay?

[mighty tundra]

how much life? I'm at 7k with it all converted to ward

that gives chaos bolts a really beefy multiplier

[bleak glacier]

Int+mana stacking cast on hit flicker flay, it's basically just a poe build

[mighty tundra]

Plus don't take the -% attack speed nodes on flay they're bait

[vivid ruin]

Probs had around 4-5k. We were theory crafting for realistic week 1-2 gear. Also weren;t factoring in taste for blood to dps as you get the damage anyway but maybe we should.

[raven rock]

Gets to play melee right not spell?

[vivid ruin]

I know. speed king

[charred ridge]

dummy or level 100?

[mighty tundra]

calculator

i'm not factoring in any DR

[charred ridge]

so dummy

[mighty tundra]

ye

[mighty tundra]

yeah this is aspirational i should say

like 2 t7s

i like to work backwards when i work on builds since i don't need that much dps for the rest of the game

oh and this is with if scorn works the way we think it does

[raven rock]

How are we feeling flay will be for mapping?

[grim rune]

atm of builds bear primalist > abo necro > cb flay

[raven rock]

Like will the clear be solid?

[mighty tundra]

yeah should be good

[raven rock]

Because of the chaos bolt spam

Or flay on its own will be decent?

[mighty tundra]

idk how it'd be on its own

[raven rock]

Because early on we gonna have really low mana right

So worried about early mono

[mighty tundra]

I mean i'm not playing with flay until i get the new axe

[raven rock]

Rip blood?

[vivid ruin]

Both for low-mid C

[mighty tundra]

ye I'll probably play rip blood and proc marrow shards until then

or if that doesn't feel good i'll level as necro and go volatile zombies or smth

[raven rock]

Hmmm

[mighty tundra]

but there's loads of other ways to level acolyte

[raven rock]

Fissure looking strong again also I see

[mighty tundra]

that's just what i prefer

[opaque coyote]

is pure cb better than flay trigger cb?

[raven rock]

Warlock leveling might be a vibe

[mighty tundra]

i will say though, stacking mana like all of my damage is coming from CB

[raven rock]

Yeah

[mighty tundra]

Flay is actually the lowest dps skill in the calculator so idk if it's gonna be worth it on its own

[vivid ruin]

I assume cthonic crushes on leveling? Isn;t it best acolyte?

although rip blood is new and improved, maybe its fine.

Worried for st though.

[raven rock]

Yeah I played fissure a lot last two leagues it’s fun

[mighty tundra]

rip blood also looks prettier now

so there's that

[vivid ruin]

I've never played fissure either, so it'd be new.

[raven rock]

Throwing a fissure and zipping around is pretty chill

[mighty tundra]

fissure is so fun

[raven rock]

It’s very very easy

[vivid ruin]

Running instead of casting is my fave leveling style; I.E fast.

[raven rock]

It’s almost like a totem playstyle

[mighty tundra]

and when you get that witchfire relic in monos it's really really fun imo

[vivid ruin]

Fissure+ shade or fissure + bolts? What's the general eli5 gist?

[raven rock]

You get ms and you just zip working and fissure blows up everything

You go profane if you get scared

[mighty tundra]

I've only really played witchfire so I'm a little biased

[cold junco]

Hello! I'm searching for lich builds (for 1.3) but most require specific uniques to function.

Are the really no builds for lich that I can play without the need to first level as different spec and then respec into lich?

[vivid ruin]

By the time I get profane i'll be flay I think.

[raven rock]

I played torment

[mighty tundra]

but my wife played damned/torment fissure last league and loved it

[vivid ruin]

Fissure.

[raven rock]

Very fun

[mighty tundra]

like proccing cb's from the fissure and focusing on damned

[raven rock]

Yup

[mighty tundra]

I think it was nerfed since launch but it was still more than enough for empowered last time she played it

[raven rock]

And I would get crazy ward

But might just go lich full time

Have done a lot of lock

[cold junco]

Thanks!

[vivid ruin]

I played lich 2 seasons ago and went spiritpl/rip into poison lich once i got aod; it was very strong. And aod is stronger now. Maybe ill level po like a mayun.

[obtuse quest]

Probably some rip blood spirit plague variant

[mighty tundra]

btw if u guys are calculating Flay, keep in mind that le tools has Trepidation Blade at 16% increased attack speed when wielding a dagger per point. Whereas the patchnotes has** 10% more attack speed** with a dagger per point

[vivid ruin]

WUT?

[mighty tundra]

i only noticed that today

[cold junco]

Noted, thank you!

[mighty tundra]

it wasn't absolutely crazy for me but it did give me an extra 10%

[charred ridge]

patch notes also have deadly plot at 2 points cap instead of 4 which is actually just a typo in the patch notes

so take it with a grain of salt

letools is probably more accurate than the patch notes

[mighty tundra]

oh man consistency i love it

[obtuse quest]

At bis gear, flay is probably better since it outputs more hits.

[mighty tundra]

either way it's still a good node

[opaque coyote]

need something to beat uberroth first , im cof

[mighty tundra]

watch it be like 5% more or something when the patch drops LOL

[vivid ruin]

Why do we think it is a typo?

Was it revealed in a leak as 4 max?

[charred ridge]

letools API has it at 4 max and EHG confirmed it's 4 max

[charred ridge]

https://www.reddit.com/r/LastEpoch/comments/1mriea0/comment/n8zuhgc/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

[bleak cypress]

what do you guys think, crit necrotic or bleed lich would be sexier?

[vivid ruin]

Both sex, but necrotic.

[obtuse quest]

Deadly plot has 4 max in Tunklabs as well

[obtuse quest]

Necrotic’s issue is the lack of res shred from AoD tbh

[vivid ruin]

I dont use aod. Harvest gets you to max necrotic res stacks on its proc.

[midnight juniper]

I will play lich for the first time.
I see some cool changes for rip blood and maarows shards. Do u know, if those skills perform well?

[obtuse quest]

Yes, but AoD can add on top of that 10 stack, we’re int stacking anyway so another -100% res to enemies nearby is pretty possible

[vivid ruin]

I'm not overly int stacked tbh (just 54), but if aod did that I might have been.

[obtuse quest]

Rip blood should be fine, never self cast marrow

[mighty tundra]

yeah fume weaver is a pretty chunky extra modifier

[vivid ruin]

Oh yea I know. If it converted necro i'd use it over rip blood.

Instead I use rip blood last skill just for some free ward wjhile mapping.

[obtuse quest]

Real. Yeah that’s the only downside I see for using necrotic flay

[vivid ruin]

Pen is a pretty overworked stat anyway tbh, due to mark + shred in same bucket.

[obtuse quest]

Aod covers your res shred needs basically (with higher numbers)

[vivid ruin]

But yea, it'd add 25-30% damage so it'd be good. But then i'd have to change build a lot to get int 😄

[obtuse quest]

But yeah, it’s just a good option.

Can’t say the same of old AoD…

[mighty tundra]

i feel like physical AoD is gonna look a lot nicer visually than poison also

[obtuse quest]

Sir you’ll just be outptting a pool of blood-

The cold one might look cooler

[mighty tundra]

lol yes

I live for that in ARPGs. Reap/Exsanguinate are my favourite skills in path of exile

red everywhere

[charred ridge]

@abstract summit https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DtBHrLQzlimGUn6an-pOCVKqZFHzMvIdJ-krF_F0NsM/edit?usp=sharing planner in the sheet

i optimized a bit and idk if you caught it but the previous planner was not crit capped

so i put spell crit on the 2nd relic LP but u have to take like crit chance blessing or something with less gear

crit multi is a bit better than aspd on weapons but they're close so aspd can just be slammed for QoL too

[formal sparrow]

i talked here at work but now i forgot, CB and harvest i dont need in my bar to benefit from the skill tree while it auto casts with triggers right?

so bodyswap and like reaper or death seal probs instead?

[charred ridge]

might or might not need harvest as a mana battery on the bar

[opaque coyote]

for flay cb how is crit chance 500%?

[charred ridge]

it's right under your eyes

500% is increased crit chance% not crit chance

[opaque coyote]

yes increased

[charred ridge]

yeah the answer is right under your eyes

everything has a base of 100%

[formal sparrow]

jusdt to be sure this is generic low life damage correct?

[charred ridge]

these numbers add up to 400% with a base of 1

[formal sparrow]

like not only for reap

[charred ridge]

yes

[opaque coyote]

Ok its 400% increased with a base of 100%, i read that wrong

[molten bramble]

Why dont you run crit on chest instead?

[obtuse quest]

Yes

[charred ridge]

the t1 affix is mana%

there's no room for a 3rd prefix

[molten bramble]

ahh got you

same with helm

[charred ridge]

yeah

[molten bramble]

Then they hot fix that and brick 2 of your items lol

[spark arch]

Hello people is it possible to make an aura of decay focused lich build?

[charred ridge]

they probably won't

[obtuse quest]

Aura of decay as a main damage is… kinda mid. No, we don’t have RF here

[charred ridge]

i said that before but i feel like the reason they still haven't "fixed" it is because they still haven't come up with a solution

[molten bramble]

probably, but not for certain

[charred ridge]

i mean really, how would you fix it

unless you introduce dual class restrictions

[spark arch]

I mean i am kinda okay with a mid tier build as long as it functions

[old hull]

We're getting blinding light though

[obtuse quest]

It probably works? But you’ll effectively be playing walking sim

[molten bramble]

dont they already have a solution, if you put a + skill on a helm it becomes class specific. Just do that for all the class specific affixes

[obtuse quest]

I do not see reflect 🫣

[charred ridge]

yes but azure (mana%) is available for TWO classes (rogue and sentinel)

[molten bramble]

maybe they dont because it is unintuative for new players

[charred ridge]

and i assume dual class restrictions aren't coded in the game, and they probably would rather not implement it either

[old hull]

Apparently enemies can see it from about 10m though, that's what counts

[molten bramble]

They dont have the ability to make and rogue/sentinel specific helm to 2 classes?

[opaque coyote]

is this a new mod this season?

[charred ridge]

i don't think so or they would already have

[opaque coyote]

or did acolyte have it too?

[obtuse quest]

Old mod that is class locked to rogue and sent

[charred ridge]

no it's just an edge case affix that's possible to get in the game but letools doesn't allow it

[obtuse quest]

I thought the bug mostly happens via legendary crafting

[opaque coyote]

so u need to swap over to a rogue/sentinel to get it?

[charred ridge]

not a strict requirement, you can get rogue/sentinel items while playing acolyte, they are just more rare

[molten bramble]

I think they do have the ability it is just unintuative for newer players and could brick peoples items if uninformed. But they probably wont fix it.

[charred ridge]

i mean the way it's implemented rn is already unintuitive

they could make 2 different affixes, one that is locked to rogue, and another one that is locked to sentinel, though that would also have its own drawbacks

[molten bramble]

Yeah but the way it is only buffs players and not a detractor. Imagine saving up an item slamming get the 2 mana affixes and then you realized you bricked it because it cant be used on your char. That might be a bad experience for a player. It is easy to tell + sentinel skill will make sentinel only. Mana affix is not that clear.

[slim mason]

can new ripblood be the answer to acol lvling woes?

or stick with ws?

[obtuse quest]

Probably? And pair it with spirit plague as per usual

[molten bramble]

probably not but it helps on single target

[charred ridge]

i think there are other affixes in the game that aren't obviously class specific though

[formal sparrow]

is not investing into crit outside of a skills skill tree like always bad? like should i go out of my way to lose stats to get crit chance or something

[charred ridge]

im sure if you ask around there's a ton of ppl who accidentally class restricted an item they didn't want to, and it wasn't mana%

[slim mason]

ws still best aoe clear for acol lvling

[charred ridge]

i know i have in 1.0

[molten bramble]

I think spirit plague is better than WS now

ws is kinda trash

[obtuse quest]

Most crit stats outside of a skill tree is %inc, which doesn’t help unless you get a source of flat crit first

[slim mason]

still 15 lvls

lol

[obtuse quest]

It is why something like traitor’s tongue is so useful

[formal sparrow]

are crit things usually suffix or prefix

[charred ridge]

prefix

[formal sparrow]

weirdly enough it shows this and i have traitors in offhand

[molten bramble]

I mean it is blood rip, ws at 15 drop ws for sp, at 20 drop all go fissure sp cb

[obtuse quest]

Prefix

[abstract summit]

Ye I know it was a couple percents off but at this point i didnt rly care aboit it lol

[charred ridge]

for me it was way off, like 70%

unless i'm missing something

[slim mason]

might still go cb after lich mastery

since i dont need to switch

[molten bramble]

its broke and just does not calc it in but in game you should have the 13% crit

[obtuse quest]

Maxroll’s planner? this doesn’t list traitor’s flat crit lmao

[charred ridge]

thats what i get if i don't slam a crit affix

[slim mason]

start with the cb/ripblood mechanic

[charred ridge]

lmk if i'm missing a source

[slim mason]

then creep towards flay

[pearl scarab]

investing into crit on a tree or on gear or a combo of both depends on opportunity costs, tho in general if your skill has flat crit chance on its tree, you should grab that if your a hit build. Flat crit chance is great (which is why at times in the past gear like prismatic gaze is used on a not elemental build)

[formal sparrow]

yea, and then i should assume it woudl be 5% +4% +15% so id have around 24% base crit chance?

[abstract summit]

5% base?

[formal sparrow]

so if i got 100% increase itd bel ike 48

[formal sparrow]

is what i see on the thing

[obtuse quest]

Correct. With deathbringer’s 50% it’s 36%

[molten bramble]

You are not you need roughly 105% more to cap

[charred ridge]

it's in there (just not explicitly shown in the sources)

[obtuse quest]

Everything has a base of flat 5% crit chance

[formal sparrow]

hmkay

[obtuse quest]

Known related exception is Bone Curse.(starts at 0%)

[charred ridge]

yeah i know i'm slamming crit on the relic, i'm just comparing to a previous version of the build that wasn't crit capped

[formal sparrow]

oh and if a skill has +6% base crit then it would be like having 30% base crit etc but only for that one

[charred ridge]

wacsa says he was only a few % off but i'm waaay off so tryna see where the difference is

if there was one

[topaz juniper]

Is this possible?

這有可能嗎?

[molten bramble]

Yeah just calling it out so people know you do not even need a perfect roll in that slot

[obtuse quest]

Yup

[mighty tundra]

last time i tried it didn't work

[topaz juniper]

ES?

[mighty tundra]

had no effect on my skeletons

[topaz juniper]

GG

[obtuse quest]

Getting the double T7 would be the hard part (also the missing health to ward doesn’t work for minions)

[charred ridge]

ye for sure, i mean i thought of using the generic crit affix instead (for melee dmg and stuff), but in reality you won't max roll everywhere so using spell crit will ensure you're crit capped on CB anyway

[abstract summit]

Nah that checks out ye

[formal sparrow]

if im not only trying to use the blood eruption or boost that part is this a 1 pointer yall think?

or still worth the point?

[charred ridge]

ok so previous planner did have an oversight, easily fixed though even on budget with crit blessing

[abstract summit]

I think at some point we managed to reach 4100 threshold

Mana

[charred ridge]

iuno but if you use orian's eye that's more mana

[abstract summit]

Put int on boots me think instead of armor/crit red

[charred ridge]

kept nihilis cause you might lose some QoL from not having +2 skills

[charred ridge]

i changed it already but i put frenzy instead

[vivid ruin]

Boys are sleeping on bleeding heart+hollow lich tree.

ez lp

[formal sparrow]

why

[abstract summit]

Is it better than one more proc and deadly multi?

[molten bramble]

We are aware and can spec it in addition to everything if it is good

[vivid ruin]

Ima spec it and spec out if it's getting me killed 😄

[formal sparrow]

16% more damage or crit multi nodes or reaper form cd or spectral copy?

[vivid ruin]

After playing hs last season w mountain hat, I think it'll be fine. Similar sustain.

[vivid ruin]

Depends on rest of your tree

[molten bramble]

the CB's generate so much healing

[formal sparrow]

atm @vivid ruin

trying to make the best use of my points

[charred ridge]

marginally better yeah

well

technically you can remove the movespeed and slam both

for uber

i mean we're just spreadsheet padding anyway so might as well

[vivid ruin]

Are you flay only? The base crit at the bottom doesn;t do anything for cb.

[charred ridge]

the truth is in the real world i'll be slamming none (double ms instead)

😂

[formal sparrow]

as far as i can tell i think the majority of my dmg will be coming from flay and harvest

[abstract summit]

Ye I think the last thing is maxing out leech and getting scorn. Im thinking 1500 hp/s should be enough to keep up reaper for lile 10 seconds lol

[formal sparrow]

i have almost 100 dex on random t5 dex shit gear so

would be an harvest proc per cb

and 3-4 without investment cb per cast

[vivid ruin]

I'd have to pop it in a sheet. But I'd expect cb if your mana stacked to do most.

[charred ridge]

i didnt put scorn in the spreadsheet cus im lazy tbh

[formal sparrow]

nah im not mana stacking far, even if i end up going for mana idols ill probs not aiming for more than like 700

[vivid ruin]

But regardless, shgouldnt you be trying to hit 100% crit on all skills?

[formal sparrow]

🤷‍♂️ i was asking about crit multi and other nodes anyway not crit cahnce

[molten bramble]

You really only care about crit capping your main damage source

[formal sparrow]

rn i would be like 40ish% chance to crit

[vivid ruin]

If flay does most of your damage the spextral flay might be good vs bosses.

I dont stat it at all, but my damage is cbs

[molten bramble]

If you spec reaper and harvest you will be at 77% with axe and traitors

[abstract summit]

I think it was a simple extra x1.26/3 added damage at the end

[formal sparrow]

i checked and i got 0% crit chance on gear lol

[formal sparrow]

can it hit the same thing

[vivid ruin]

flay is like 9% of my damage and harvest is like 0.1% 😄

[formal sparrow]

like regular flay and spectral

[obtuse quest]

No

[formal sparrow]

we got a dmg calc shit like pob nowadays?

[obtuse quest]

They excel-ed it

[vivid ruin]

I dont know, but I assume so, cos marrow shards does that when it seeks new target, it hits same if none arpound.

[vivid ruin]

This.

[obtuse quest]

Spectral’s alt text mentions that it can’t hit the original target

[molten bramble]

You have 0% on gear but you have 22% base with 100% increase from reaper form 100% increase from harvest and 50% from passives 22%x3.5=77% crit

[vivid ruin]

Then it's probs garbage. Your aoe will be good enough w harvest, flay and eruptions.

[formal sparrow]

i do have the crit multi and crit chance on harvest, and the crit chance on reaper but not the crit multi

[vivid ruin]

espec with flay boots aoe

[formal sparrow]

oh yeah true harvest is global

[vivid ruin]

I think 100% crit isn;t too hard on dw lich so i'd do some math and aim for it. It was always correct for me to add cm and cc, even at cost of mana (not that I sacrificed much).

[abstract summit]

If you spec the other point it can

But it doesn't trigger stuff:(

[formal sparrow]

skip or pick?

[obtuse quest]

In a clear sense it can double your procs for cheap, but that’s about it

[formal sparrow]

this feels like it would be bad if im using it often

[charred ridge]

where did you get that number from lol

it's almost definitely not that

[molten bramble]

all you need to crit cap is 105% increased crit on gear and you can get that on chest/relic with 1 roll t5

[formal sparrow]

also might be a dumb question but would 50% more dmg and 50% crit multi be pmuch the same thing?

assuming u got 100% crit chance

[mighty tundra]

So has anyone found a use for this node yet?

[formal sparrow]

i think u put it on thge boss for them to self dot?

[molten bramble]

No since you are already at 400%+ crit multi it is like ~16% more dmg roughly with out me doing math

[obtuse quest]

No, the latter is + 50% on a 200% base, while the former is straight up x 1.5

[formal sparrow]

oh so if i have an option between

[old hull]

No. Crit multi is additive with all your other crit multi, and since you have 200% base multi, +50% is only 25% more total damage, lower with more crit multi

[formal sparrow]

50% multi or 40% more damage multi always wins?

[abstract summit]

1% generic leech, 4% spell leech, 5% hit leech, 6% generic, time 1.66 from accursed?

[formal sparrow]

or is it backwards and im confused

[obtuse quest]

More damage

[formal sparrow]

ah okok

[obtuse quest]

It’s almost always a new multiplier

[molten bramble]

Most of the time More damage is better as a general rule of thumb

[mighty tundra]

makes me wonder if they'd get the damage reduction from the aura dot too lol

idk it's hard to see it as worth it but maybe i'm wrong

[formal sparrow]

cuz i see 4 points of this for 40% (tho only hit damage) but still. vs 4 points for 60 multi

[charred ridge]

1% generic leech as in, your character just spawns with that amount? i wasn't aware if so
but also the 66% from capstone is increased leech rate not leech amount

[formal sparrow]

maybe its hidden OP but we ownt know till weeks in

[molten bramble]

lich passive

[charred ridge]

ah ok

[abstract summit]

Lich mastery

[old hull]

It keeps your damage up on bosses if you need to run away (like during timeshattering slam wave) or if the boss zooms away, that's about it

[abstract summit]

It does exist 😄

[charred ridge]

gotcha didn't see that one

[abstract summit]

Hey we actually have a more damage multi in our mastery 😄

[obtuse quest]

Literally the best part of lich’s mastery passive

[molten bramble]

I still wished they reworked that. The lich mastery is still unchanged and sucks

[charred ridge]

yeah also just noticed that, pretty negligible though

[formal sparrow]

@obtuse quest btw does this mean i will be self stacking 15 frostbites?

[abstract summit]

Isnt accursed both more leech and rate?

[mighty tundra]

oh shit true

[formal sparrow]

if so that makes it giga unplayable no?

[mighty tundra]

hidden more multiplier lol

[obtuse quest]

You’ll be self stacking however amount of poison you were self stacking, yes

[charred ridge]

oh my god i literally just read it 5 mins ago and thought "wait there's no increased leech?" and it turns out it was one line above what i was reading

😂

[abstract summit]

Kek 😄

[formal sparrow]

it works with the 50% 2 pointer right? like youll always have giga leech?

[obtuse quest]

The convert also changes the poison damage cut to cold dot damage cut

[formal sparrow]

bruh if thats the case would i not just get tickled by cold damage and be perma frozen if im running around with 15 stacks of frostbite lol

[charred ridge]

but still why divide the 1.26x by 3?

[abstract summit]

So yey that number as an added damage but over 3 seconds confirmed by a dev

[charred ridge]

even though the damage is dealt over 3 seconds you shouldn't divide it when calculating DPS

[obtuse quest]

Just build more max hp to prevent getting frozen/don’t get hit

[charred ridge]

this portion of the damage will be delayed slightly but every second you're still doing the full amount of leech damage (just delayed)

[obtuse quest]

You can’t be frozen if you never take a cold hit

[charred ridge]

if that makes sense

[abstract summit]

Although i guess it should be 3/1.66 cause accursed is also leech rate

[old hull]

Also freeze can be cleansed

[charred ridge]

i wouldn't take leech rate into account at all

[old hull]

If you have the right stat to cleanse it of course

[abstract summit]

Ah okay ye i see it

Ye slam that b on it then 😄

[formal sparrow]

qq

[charred ridge]

@abstract summit also are you putting 2 points in this or not?

[old hull]

Yeah, you calc the leech damage like a bleed that deals damage based on a % of your damage basically

[abstract summit]

Hell no

[charred ridge]

cus you removed low life passives but im not sure exactly what setup you're going for

ok

[abstract summit]

All my homies hate corrupted form

[charred ridge]

then your leech will get cut off though

[mighty tundra]

1 point mildy corrupted form

[molten bramble]

Isnt hollow lich really effcient dmg increase at 40% increased dmg per point? if we are sitting at ~20% leech

[charred ridge]

you have to take it for scornful

[old hull]

You need to be either corrupted form or true low life for scornful, yeah

[molten bramble]

I think if you are healing from cb's you could give up leech

[abstract summit]

I mean I only need to be lower than 66% hp, in reaper, with maybe the 5% extra drain

Wanna se it first in real life but ye okay prob can gake it for now to be on the safe side

[charred ridge]

if you're leeching millions per second you'll be full hp the whole time

[formal sparrow]

can someone give a quick pass through my updated planner? https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/planner/33arg0qc

[charred ridge]

there's no question about it 😂

[old hull]

Doesn't matter, you must avoid reaching full or 66% health, since doing so ends your leech

[charred ridge]

you'll either be dead or at full hp

[molten bramble]

You are going to be full the whole time because you get 10hp per cb

[abstract summit]

You leech f all with scornful tho

[charred ridge]

oh right im dumb

but ye other sources will still cap you

[old hull]

Scornful disables leech health gain

[charred ridge]

yep forgot that detail 😂

[abstract summit]

Ye but how much is reaper drain?

[molten bramble]

i do not think it will out do 800hp per second for a long time

[abstract summit]

I was planning on adding the 5% from passive too, but i mean ye sure take corrupted for now

[charred ridge]

even when it does it'll only be a few seconds until you're taken out of form

corrupted form also allows low life nodes and stuff so

i'll tweak passives again a bit

[abstract summit]

We will kinda lose form anyway during RPs no?

[molten bramble]

the cb healing means if you want Low life bonuses really you have to go corrupted form

[charred ridge]

you always lose form if you stay in there too long but 40s for an uber fight isn't "too long" yet

[abstract summit]

I mean it's really just those two passives but ye I didnt coint with them in my glass setup I think

[charred ridge]

if you don't take scornful for example i figure you can stay in reaper form for minutes at a time technically

[molten bramble]

You can spam pots to extend it a bit during RP too

[charred ridge]

the chaos bolts should still be "hitting"

so you'll be able to get your +10 hp per bolt

[abstract summit]

So anyway it's gonna be more like 75Mish spreadsheet warrior at the end me thinks

[slim mason]

if im going ebola aura... cb healing doesnt do jack

need a nice exsang though

stack int and mana lol

typical LLL

exsangs are gonna go to the moon if mg lol

[harsh warren]

if you're causing a lot of healing from CB it will mess with your LL generation

[charred ridge]

i dont think anybody was talking about AoD or ward gain

[slim mason]

thinking whether reaper is worth it if i main flay

[charred ridge]

updated the calc

it's at 80mil

[mighty tundra]

Damn

crit flay pumping

[molten bramble]

Did you add in all the other dmg sources, bone curse, flay, rip bloods, dots etc.

[charred ridge]

there's a consideration for woven flesh instead of valeroot too

if we're doing leech stuff

[opaque coyote]

can u add some ehp calcs also? or is this a max dps calculation?

[charred ridge]

my sheet only has chaos bolts

[charred ridge]

not interested in ehp calcs, i think letools also already has that

it might not be entirely perfect on letools but it's def good enough

[molten bramble]

lol I am willing to bet that the other dmg sources are not an insignificant amount of dmg

[obtuse quest]

Yeah letools and tunklabs have ehp calculators

[charred ridge]

they probably aren't, im thinking blood eruptions will be most of the other side of the dmg

[molten bramble]

I obvously think CB will do most but I would not be surprised if other dmg added up to 5-10% increase maybe more?

[charred ridge]

yeah i think somewhere around that as well

[opaque coyote]

that ehp is too low isnt it

[obtuse quest]

https://lastepoch.tunklab.com/ehp

Letools dont consider ward most of the time

[abstract summit]

You can add 1m if you want i guess lol

It's 6am and daughter just peed on us -again, lol- so i can do it later if you wont until then

[charred ridge]

oof lol

i definitely am not going to do dmg calc for other skills that's way too much work 😂

[abstract summit]

I have the tabs already just need to copy over the last numbers

[abstract summit]

On a no defense glass cannon uber one phaser? Yes 😄

You dint run exactly this while mapping

Pointless to calc ehp for it

[charred ridge]

80mil dps is kind of a lot too bad it'll get cucked by transitions

it's a 3s uber kill without transitions

😂

it should be around ~32s with transitions

[twilit flume]

im going to have 6k to 10k ward per second I dont think I have to build a bit of health on the gear and go full int, then with 200 int my reaper form armor and ghostflame doge is going to be gigajuiced making me even more tanky

[abstract summit]

Will we lose spirit battery stacks during transition? Worried a little bit about julras proccing when we are still ramping

[charred ridge]

the mana%?

depends how quickly the chaos bolts travel and how tight you play

[abstract summit]

Ye 48% is conditional

[charred ridge]

i'd expect that you won't ever truly be capped

[abstract summit]

If we need to rebuild them every rp thats kinda badge

[charred ridge]

if you could put a chthonic fissure down rq then you'd be capped

well bad is a strong word 😂

there might be ways around

like using unspec'ed wandering spirits

and stuff like that

[abstract summit]

I mean 😄 might need 4-5 seconds in real lif is what im saying 😄

[charred ridge]

i mean the stacks will keep stacking during transitions while you are hitting, if that's what you're asking

what i was thinking was more along the lines of, flay is a melee skill and positionally you're not going to be meleeing the boss after harbingers

cause you need to bait ranged attacks

[abstract summit]

Ye so it's just 100% dr but "hittable"

[charred ridge]

yeah

i'm not 100% sure but i'm like 90% sure

cause i was checking stuff with cinder strike buff the other day

and im like 90% sure that buff was getting stacked during transitions

[abstract summit]

Can you link tbe sheet again then i bookmark it for the other calcs

[charred ridge]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DtBHrLQzlimGUn6an-pOCVKqZFHzMvIdJ-krF_F0NsM/edit?usp=sharing

[abstract summit]

Did we lose leech

[charred ridge]

i took some points out of the first node

but maybe they're better there

not sure

[abstract summit]

Booo 😄

I mean it's a more multi so fairly sure

[charred ridge]

it's just .5% per point didnt seem very high but i can sim

oh

ye of course

[abstract summit]

Well .5x1.66

[charred ridge]

for some reason i thought it was only a percent of that .5% that'd get added to the more multi

but that's not the case

brainfart

[abstract summit]

Ye it's like almost 1m dps a point kinda:D

[proud pilot]

hey everyone! has anyone here made a theorycraft for the patch?

[charred ridge]

also going here on reaper form

[abstract summit]

Broke 80

Oh ye truuu

Forgot about that

[obtuse quest]

Depends on what you’re looking for, it’s mostly flay, minion army, abom cooks

[charred ridge]

86mil now

[abstract summit]

Beeg

33% leech lmao

[proud pilot]

looking for flay atm, its the new kid in town. I just checked the spreadsheet linked up there and I am wondering haha

[obtuse quest]

There’s a few different cooks related to flay yeah

The general so far is “mana stacking to proc chaos bolt on hit is stupid broken”

[proud pilot]

this node releases a single chaos bolt, right? Is this bolt in any way affected by the chaos bolt tree? i.e. the Single Bolt upgrade?

[charred ridge]

made a mistake on the leech -> dmg conversion (i was taking total leech instead of base leech) so it's only 83mil

[abstract summit]

Slightly less but stil beeeg

[proud pilot]

it really depends on targetting i think? if a released bolt cant hit the same enemy it got released from its dead in the water

[obtuse quest]

It affects everything that isn’t direct cast. Big bolt doesn’t affect it because it fires projectiles of chaos bolt, not a cast of chaos bolt.

[molten bramble]

LE tools updated and includes the relic mana now btw

[obtuse quest]

Chaos bolt by itself can already shotgun so as long as they fire in the general direction there’s zero issues

20 chaos bolts from one flay is no dream

[proud pilot]

👍 i see, thank you.

[proud pilot]

yeah, probably even more if you min-max for it.

[abstract summit]

41, ye 😄

[charred ridge]

can grab 3% leech from warlock passives but you only gain 500k dps

ima simplify and not include that lol

[abstract summit]

Tbf if we really wanted to minmax this we would drip blood rip for I dunno bone curse?

But ye f it at this point agree lol

[charred ridge]

not sure tbh im not really looking at other skills

rip blood will at least give ward/hp for maps depending how you spec

[abstract summit]

Ye for mapping sure, just uber

[charred ridge]

i mean realistically you'll just go for a quarter to half of that sheet dps and get a setup that will both map and boss lol

cus at this point the build looks strong enough to do both in the same setup

[abstract summit]

OR you set up 560 uber echoes in a row and go to town, then quit the league

[charred ridge]

😂

bold of you to assume i would kill normal aberroth 560 times

[molten bramble]

I think if you are looking at mapping taking my set up for gear and then dropping the defensive passives for the drain life/hollow lich might be where you want to be. Really depends on corruption

[abstract summit]

Ye for sure. I was just thinking switching maybe one red ring with an erased

Want to see how it feels like but it could provide kind of a "ward floor" when you are getting hit

[molten bramble]

Yeah you can tweak it for sure balancing defensive options with offensive ones and talents with corruption level survivability

[abstract summit]

Gotta leave some fun for the actual live play

In before this breaks down completely due to the engine and we reroll abo kek

[molten bramble]

If you want to go even higher calc dmg with swaddling gloves on low life target for the extra 17% more dmg

[abstract summit]

Double t7 weaver, now that's mg territory lol

[molten bramble]

lol

I do not even think you need double T7 just T7 mana'

6 to all stats and the melee attack speed are already good

[charred ridge]

it's pretty easy to get double t7 weaver gloves it's a bit harder to get one with the perfect affixes for your build

[versed fox]

so I've never played a low life build in any arpg. It's something you have to prepare for before swapping into, is my general understanding. How do you know when you can handle it? I know in PoE there was a chest you had to get before swapping to the inoculation node (or w/e it was called, set your life to 1).

[charred ridge]

but every season i get like 6-7 pairs of gloves that would be perfect for a build i'm not playing lol

[versed fox]

I imagine I would not level with the low life nodes active but ??? idk

[molten bramble]

Yeah I know I get gloves and I am like man this would have been perfect... For last season....

[charred ridge]

in 1.1 i had gloves that were almost perfect

it was like t7 mana t7 crit and i was playing static orb

int wouldve been better than crit but crit was still good enough

and the suffixes were useable too

[abstract summit]

I got a holy aura judgement t7 t7 erased sentinel in 1.1 and i was like wtf is this shit XD

[obtuse quest]

Basically have access to the stuff that would make lowlife good, like the nodes and exsang

[charred ridge]

those were the gloves lol just lowroll crit unfortunately

[radiant vessel]

How's necro for leveling? I don't want to level as lock because I've done it before but I'm suspicious about how little I've seen about people leveling as necro

[charred ridge]

nice lol i think i rolled relics even though i wasnt playing any build that used them but never got anything worth mentioning

[molten bramble]

I think in general you can play low life if you have exsanguinous chest

even early on

[charred ridge]

dmg to low health is so much better than dmg to high health on uber

it's unfair

😂

[pearl scarab]

should be fine to level as, just get used to using the order minions button

[versed fox]

Word, keep an eye out for exsang. Tytyty

[molten bramble]

Keep in mind that you will need to get rid of leech/healing you can do that through passive hollow lich and skill choice

[molten bramble]

and taking crimson gluttony in acolyte tree will make early low life even better

[versed fox]

I was wondering related to that, how do you stop from killing yourself? How do you beat the self damage

(you do die when you hit 0 life, regardless of ward, right)