💀┃acolyte

[worthy compass]

Then slamming that bad boi

[upper badger]

true but %mana isnt a rare affix, so if you just filter for every t1 %mana you will get that relativly fast

[little wigeon]

Yup forgot about the runes

[worthy compass]

Oh this is going to be juicy

Devs I wanna say, I don't think we're sorry

[zenith current]

sorry not sorry

gonna use that on my starter for sure provided that's still in

[worthy compass]

We shall see on launch

So max roll we get 40% mana without the T8 mod, what's a very nice amount. Imagine if Wizards have acces to this

Wait I played a Wizard last league and didn't think of trying this. Rip

[zenith current]

Oh snap

i'm cookin

so hard rn

[grim rune]

okay no time for more math, but considering 1 proc of fissure + 1 proc of chaos bolts from fissure + double fissure I get ~900 bleed/sec

kinda oka'ish

[pine robin]

this affect by chaos bolts skill tree ?

[worthy compass]

Ye

If it uses the skill it'll use the tree unless it specifies otherwise

[pine robin]

tks

[zenith current]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BEpK9Z9Q Behold, the Skeleton Churner

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Necromancer (69) / Lich (24)

General:

▸ Health: 4,184, Regen: 192.96/s
▸ Mana: 189.51, Regen: 10.96/s
▸ Ward Retention: 140%, Regen: 185/s
▸ Attributes: 18 Str / 29 Dex / 50 Int / 18 Att / 136 Vit
▸ Resistances: 88% / 88% / 80% / 68% / 68% / 554% / 218%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 58%, Threshold: 837
▸ Dodge Chance: 24% (804)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 45% (2,677)
▸ Block Chance: 35%, Mitigation: 27% (510)

Used skills:

Summon Bone Golem / Summon Skeleton / Summon Skeletal Mage / Dread Shade / Bone Curse

[grim rune]

Okay 1072 bleeds per second on new bleed warlock xd

[harsh warren]

lmfaoo

[zenith current]

4 sets for +4 skills and +20 attributes and +20% all res xD

[harsh warren]

my only concern would be if there's a short animation for consumption like wraithlord, cause then he'll just stunlock himself

[zenith current]

Yea that's

the main concern really

if he can just keep walking while churning

then this is busted

though in all honesty

you should be able to churn with just mages for clearing

and use the regular skellies for bossing

if that's the case

man this idea is so swag lol

[harsh warren]

I imagine the folks playing sacrifice skeleton mages are happy

I just want an excuse to use the cruelty relic

[zenith current]

they did buff sac did they not

[harsh warren]

i think slightly

you can also have a t8 -mana cost sceptre as your primordial option to make it's mana consumption possibly better

tho, if it's resummoning skeletons and you have the mana gain on skele death that shouldn't be an issue, at all

[obtuse quest]

Except nodes that say cast.

[upper badger]

bonecurse over transplant?

[zenith current]

got mage tp, you think transplants better over bone curse?

[upper badger]

depends on your preference of movementspeed, but yes i forgot about skele warp

[gaunt abyss]

💀 💀 💀 how??

[zenith current]

what my question is what's the bleed dps on that

cause frequency isnt hard

[autumn bough]

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/abomination-necromancer-guide enjoy guys

[gaunt abyss]

Already with loot filter??

[autumn bough]

ofc

[worthy compass]

So we're just going to make statements based on things we don't know?

[gaunt abyss]

How?
They added stuff in

[autumn bough]

yes

[twilit flume]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BaebXqYB spine of malatros full poison build 100% crit rate 1100% crit damage

[stuck owl]

Warlock, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (27) / Warlock (66)

General:

▸ Health: 3,900, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 214.51, Regen: 17.52/s
▸ Ward Retention: 176%, Regen: 334/s
▸ Attributes: 13 Str / 23 Dex / 88 Int / 13 Att / 36 Vit
▸ Resistances: 97% / 89% / 99% / 50% / 62% / 561% / 151%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 33%, Threshold: 897
▸ Dodge Chance: 7% (195)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 29% (1,409)

Used skills:

Chthonic Fissure / Aura Of Decay / Drain Life / Profane Veil / Wandering Spirits

[obtuse quest]

Save the call outs when the season drops and we get live testing-

[autumn bough]

its better than any other build this patch by around 100x

[autumn bough]

true,it might just not work xDDD

[worthy compass]

So it's the typical "Trust me bro" without any information to back it up

[gaunt abyss]

Live tests are the best, you can hear the screaming

[autumn bough]

nope, you can calculte dps on any planner by hand

[worthy compass]

While true I'mma stay skeptical

[obtuse quest]

So er, where's the damage? There's no poison hit here, just acid skin's dot and poison dot.

[twilit flume]

the whips

[obtuse quest]

Which are Fire?

[twilit flume]

poison

[upper badger]

my only concern with golem builds of any kind is the visual glitch - his model starts skating around all over the place - kinda annoying

[obtuse quest]

whips don't covert along with Fissure's converts.

[upper badger]

irc think he consumes everything at once at the time he casts his infernal aura

[left whale]

That amulet hella OP if one gets the right weavers

[autumn bough]

u can always go rattle on lowe budget, but ye amulet OOOOPPPP

[mighty tundra]

i will not be tempted by Abomination shenanigans

[left whale]

That amulet does drop quiet often, getting the modifiers is the tricky part well atleasr for me

[autumn bough]

after theorycrafting abomination im officially converted

a MINION player

[left whale]

Yeaa

[mighty tundra]

it's nice it's a single minion too

but flay looks like fun. Flay can cap out at 2 mil for all i care

[autumn bough]

well u got trex too so not so lonely

[mighty tundra]

oh true

[left whale]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oYj9RE4A

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (34) / Necromancer (79)

General:

▸ Health: 2,119, Regen: 162.3/s
▸ Mana: 144.51, Regen: 10.88/s
▸ Ward Retention: 340%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 170 Str / 22 Dex / 170 Int / 22 Att / 47 Vit
▸ Resistances: 84% / 84% / 84% / 82% / 89% / 99% / 99%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 232%, Threshold: 834
▸ Dodge Chance: 4% (120)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 68% (5,866)
▸ Block Chance: 101%, Mitigation: 33% (850)

Used skills:

Assemble Abomination / Summon Skeleton / Summon Skeletal Mage / Dread Shade / Infernal Shade

[left whale]

Heres mine

Some flaws there that needs ironing

[autumn bough]

i would assume this node works only with all minions and has typo on top

and you disabled golems

[left whale]

Yea

[autumn bough]

so it just wont work probably

🤔

[left whale]

Yea, iam just waiting to experiment this

[autumn bough]

i suggest disable all skeles besides warriors and go dual strike node on ABOM, that verson with str stacking has 50% less dmg than bow but still op

[twilit flume]

why is acolyte so bait, every single build diversity is just all ruined by some issue in the game

[left whale]

Hmmmmmmm k

[obtuse quest]

At least for this case, think about it, do you REALLY think EHG will let a poison hit skill slide?

[gaunt abyss]

Beat single minion gonna stay wiarthlord

[twilit flume]

can acolyte get a skill that scales tho

[mighty tundra]

man I haven't checked the primalist channel but I imagine everyone and their mother is gonna run cleaver solution with that t-rex relic

[obtuse quest]

That's technically chaos bolt.

[harsh warren]

minion aggressivenes changes might make wraithlord wraith army less frustrating

[gaunt abyss]

T-rex is good for necro as well

[mighty tundra]

it looks good for any minion class

maybe that'll be a second build

[autumn bough]

ping me if u need help later i can try to reply, i theorecrafted version for maxroll and also have dual strike , stomp and mixed one(2nd best abom imo)

[harsh warren]

the heartseeker abom node seems fun

[autumn bough]

with help of @wintry flame ofc 😏

[autumn bough]

yes its pretty nice especially with many hits and plague idol

[harsh warren]

good to have a rapid hit/homing ranged ability independent of the melee attack, can cover for bad minion ai decisions during clear

[pine robin]

what difference between cast and direct cast bro ?

[obtuse quest]

Because EHG has problems being consistent sometimes, in items, there's no difference.

In skills, cast counts procs that do casts. Direct cast means pressing the button.

SOme procs don't 'cast' the skill but just do part of it, meaning they don't get either.

[pine robin]

i mean If its trigger them affect by node(cast) and not affect by node( direct cast)

well ya. Need in-game test ^^

[obtuse quest]

Flay's CHaos bolt trigger specifically says "A projectile of chaos bolt" so it doesn't cast chaos bolt.

[pine robin]

i check on last epoch tool and its link me with chaos bolts =((

[obtuse quest]

Because it still fires a chaos bolt.
Just a SINGLE chaos bolt. (per proc)

So anything that says "chaos Bolt projectile" doesn't work because it only fires one, it doesn't cast chaos bolts.

[pine robin]

ya understand tks u ^^

[vapid belfry]

do you think the "exquisite blood" node on flay is worth it?

[pine robin]

how many orbs create

if just 1 i with not worth

[vapid belfry]

you mean blood explosions?

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 90

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (25) / Lich (78) / Warlock (10)

General:

▸ Health: 3,021, Regen: 18.6/s
▸ Mana: 490.55, Regen: 19.36/s
▸ Ward Retention: 290%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 21 Str / 32 Dex / 145 Int / 21 Att / 30 Vit
▸ Resistances: 73% / 73% / 73% / 26% / 91% / 96% / 56%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 57%, Threshold: 906
▸ Dodge Chance: 24% (749)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 51% (3,084)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 9%

Used skills:

Flay / Aura Of Decay / Death Seal / Reaper Form / Marrow Shards

[pine robin]

yup

[vapid belfry]

im guessing 1 but its a direct cast spell, no melee attack

[north belfry]

Is there already a good minion build for S3?

[pine robin]

we need in-game to check haha

[vapid belfry]

yeah, guess ill just tc 2 builds, one for melee and one for spell

[lean iron]

is aura of decay a viable main source of damage do you think?

[abstract summit]

Ye

Didnt do the math for harvest flay rip and aod on top, i guess rhey would add another 100-200 stack as well on top

[mighty tundra]

I have a feeling aura of decay is gonna be used moreso for its -1% Phys/cold res on enemies per int

Which is pretty good since it's not too difficult to make up for the resist you lose yourself for using it

[obtuse quest]

As main damage? Not really.
Is it usable now comapred to last season? 1000%.

[mighty tundra]

I don't think you'll be in a situation where its your main damage skill anyway since you'd naturally want to use an active skill alongside it

Unless if you plan to run into packs and hope they die without any input

[harsh warren]

death seal has a much longer cooldown now

[obtuse quest]

3/13 uptime is kinda ass for damage though

[mighty tundra]

It's gonna be a panic button for me

[harsh warren]

likewise

[mighty tundra]

Unspecced and on my bar

[abstract summit]

Gib number 😄

[harsh warren]

I'll be spec'd into it but that's mostly because i don't have another skill to use

[mighty tundra]

Fair enough

[lean iron]

that's exactly my goal

I want to play RF

[obtuse quest]

Yeah sorry there's no RF here, it doesn't do enough on it's own.

[mighty tundra]

Yeah that won't give you RF. Witchfire and judgment feel pretty similar but you have to cast to keep your aura dot up

[harsh warren]

I ran a poison aura of decay build in 1.1 which was. not great, but functioned. looking forward to doing bleed this time around. it'll be better than it was!

[old hull]

Don't look at the blinding light

[mighty tundra]

Witchfire with the downfall of the righteous relic I should specify

[harsh warren]

I was doing about 200 before so i sure hope it does hah

plus ill get to play with the decrepify bone curse amulet

nah i'm planning on bleed convert with the primordial gloves, no t8s for me

though the t8 set mod for the curse mace adds like, 250 flat to curses

[mighty tundra]

Yeah 300 used to be the baseline. Seems it's expected to be higher now

I hope Lich can get there. My bleed paladin could do 800 and lich seems pretty similar stat wise

[harsh warren]

my brand of deception mage was doing about 250 last season with few buttons, i'd like to be around there. don't really need higher than that

that's why i play games lmao

[mighty tundra]

I haven't calculated it out yet no. My lich has slightly higher bleed damage and more procs than multistrike + the additional swords. The only issue I see is the base speed of flay is fairly low compared to multistrike and the %less attack speed for damage over time is a nuisance

I'm gonna calculate it out when I'm done having random ideas in my head

There's a formula on the maxroll website for damage calculations that expresses it clearly

Iirc it's base speed of attack * averaged attack speed of weapons *(1 + increased attack speed)

But you should check on the website just in case I have the order wrong

Im not sure actually

I don't think you'll spirit step anyway if you're close enough

true

[dark inlet]

any major revolutions to optimizing Flay CB since last night?

Chaos Bolts

[mighty tundra]

Guess you just want mana until you reach a breakpoint you're happy with

I'm sitting at 500 mana so 5 chaos bolts per flay

[obtuse quest]

Nope

[west vector]

Man flay is so versatile it's a bit overwhelming and I have a bad habit of throwing too much stuff into a pot. ATM I'm on stacking mana, int, crit, lowlife and triggering so much shit my graphics card is going to explode

[molten bramble]

My version. Feel free to improve. https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oR5qpDXB

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (83) / Warlock (10)

General:

▸ Health: 2,189, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 1,396.56, Regen: 21.2/s
▸ Ward Retention: 305%, Regen: 25/s
▸ Attributes: 35 Str / 13 Dex / 120 Int / 13 Att / 15 Vit
▸ Resistances: 57% / 57% / 57% / 75% / 65% / 150% / 104%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 46%, Threshold: 705
▸ Dodge Chance: 3% (71)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 50% (3,181)

Used skills:

Rip Blood / Flay / Chaos Bolts / Reaper Form / Harvest

[zenith current]

need some feedback on this wild concept

sounds like a lot of dam

[harsh warren]

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmana

[zenith current]

so

infernal aura only procs once per 10 seconds

so you can run warriors and death knights for fodder

@abstract summit got a wild concept

Was lookin around for ya xD

Behold, the Skeleton Churner https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/owbmg0XB

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Necromancer (70) / Lich (23)

General:

▸ Health: 4,271, Regen: 176.4/s
▸ Mana: 189.51, Regen: 10.96/s
▸ Ward Retention: 147%, Regen: 177/s
▸ Attributes: 18 Str / 29 Dex / 50 Int / 18 Att / 131 Vit
▸ Resistances: 74% / 74% / 66% / 68% / 68% / 520% / 209%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 56%, Threshold: 854
▸ Dodge Chance: 23% (782)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 45% (2,677)
▸ Block Chance: 35%, Mitigation: 27% (510)

Used skills:

Summon Bone Golem / Summon Skeleton / Summon Skeletal Mage / Dread Shade / Transplant

[abstract summit]

Changed belt to immolator oblation, frostbite version also viable
Dont think there are major tweaks outstanding, it's mostly about just checking stat weights now

[molten bramble]

I do want to test if mana on weps is better than attack speed

Maybe early on it is but later no?

not sure

So like early traitors should be flat dmg + mana

and capped is speed

[abstract summit]

Ye that's next, switching tiers around to see which affix is dominant

[molten bramble]

I did move off cold conversion on CB to open up slots for more mana idols

but I think both have their merits

Its not sure what is more damage the 6% chance of double dmg or the extra ignite stacks

i guess ignite + damned stacks

[abstract summit]

So i calculated 560 stacks of frostbite with 600% chance

Same proc speed basically, good approx number to check against

[dark inlet]

yeah, would be pretty funny if the launch version of the client entirely upends all this crafting 😂

[mighty tundra]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/ApZOmVRB this is what I'm going for rn

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (64) / Warlock (29)

General:

▸ Health: 4,266, Regen: 27.2/s
▸ Mana: 372.51, Regen: 18.64/s
▸ Ward Retention: 238%, Regen: 86/s
▸ Attributes: 22 Str / 33 Dex / 94 Int / 16 Att / 25 Vit
▸ Resistances: 72% / 72% / 72% / 115% / 55% / 186% / 100%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 938
▸ Dodge Chance: 42% (1522)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 31% (1,551)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 102%

Used skills:

Flay / Rip Blood / Chaos Bolts / Aura Of Decay / Harvest

[west vector]

rn It's not really a build pretty much just stuff thrown in a pothttps://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BGWxqqVB

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (80) / Warlock (13)

General:

▸ Health: 1,574, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 436.03, Regen: 11.92/s
▸ Ward Retention: 524%, Regen: 102/s
▸ Attributes: 19 Str / 11 Dex / 195 Int / 11 Att / 13 Vit
▸ Resistances: 50% / 64% / 50% / 91% / 81% / 99% / 53%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 61%, Threshold: 315
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (44)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 18% (605)

Used skills:

Flay / Death Seal / Marrow Shards / Reaper Form

[mighty tundra]

using that chest and the amount of %ward as health lich gets to get a high amount of regen and then just focus on bleed and procs

[abstract summit]

But baby time for now, gonna switch around some affixes later and ping you if i find anything

[harsh warren]

going LL lets you take the chaos bolts node that gives more% per 20 missing health for dots

[molten bramble]

relic is alot of added mana

basically another 200-240 base mana added

and life + armor inc

It is alot of lost mana since you are also losing 12% more mana on nihilis

[abstract summit]

Mana is the best offensive stat, by far

[molten bramble]

Changing the relic alone loses ~220 base mana which is like 300-400 mana

[abstract summit]

Ye -4 CB procs a second and a -40% multi on 90+ procs

[molten bramble]

neck given all the base mana stack is ~200 mana loss

I think the issue with the mana scaling is that each 100 mana is better than the last 100

since it gives another cast and it increases all the other casts you have accrued

It is a good relic

chaos bolts

[mighty tundra]

yes

[molten bramble]

with the axe buff in combat you will be sitting 2500-2800 mana so 25 CB for each cast of flay

[mighty tundra]

This is my aspirational gear, so many good legendaries and no real exalts to cover what i need

my empowered mono planner has exalts tho

and no double red ring + salt the wound either

[molten bramble]

and each of those are getting a ~5x mod due to deadly plot in flay

[mighty tundra]

yeah. the hardest decision was decided whether i wanted the carrion gloves or salt the wound

but with the amount of ward that chest can generate i just want it so bad

[molten bramble]

@abstract summit did dmg calcs and it comes in at possibly a sub 1 min uberoth kill with good gear

[abstract summit]

Around 70M rn

[mighty tundra]

and since i'm not using the carrion gloves, I can spec a small amount of poison chance in and get 100% frenzy uptime whenever i poison overload on a boss

[abstract summit]

6.5-7M against uber

It actually could do a lot more damage but Bwz's version also has tank, and at this point i dont think you need the damage that much lol

[dark inlet]

I'm not really that familiar with Nec, but given the name, how fast does it churn through skeletons and what's the mechanic driving that? >.> I may have reasons for wanting to repeatedly summon and have-die absolutely criminal numbers of skeletons as fast as possible

[zenith current]

Once each 10 seconds that happen to be caught within the activation

[dark inlet]

Oh, dang, too slow for my needs

[zenith current]

its better that way

But if you wanna churn more

you can fit in a an abomination here

[mighty tundra]

lol i knew manastackers would hit stupid numbers

[zenith current]

and itll eat everything

[west vector]

only downside to the manastacking playstyle is that if you do it in CoF you'll probably eat your hands before you have all the idols xd

[molten bramble]

not really you can get them through prophs

[abstract summit]

Something to keep you busy lol

[zenith current]

@abstract summit Thoughts?

[dark inlet]

shame that the base swap won't class-unlock. getting Mage bases for % mana would be sick 😂

[abstract summit]

Cannot into minions sry dude

[mighty tundra]

I don't want to calculate mine 😭 I'd have to do it for flay, the harvest procs, chaos bolt and rip blood

[zenith current]

Oh my bad

[mighty tundra]

so much math

[little wigeon]

Is frostbite still applied elsewhere for the CB 12% to frost

[molten bramble]

passive talent in lich gives frostbite on hit

[mighty tundra]

yeah but then i gotta do some weird shit because I've stacked duration and I'm using taste of blood to compress that down

[little wigeon]

Oh nice yea that's a solid change then. Since fire dmg from immolators

[mighty tundra]

it was easier with abyssal echoes when it just popped it 😂

[molten bramble]

You can also convert CB to cold to get it but then you need to find some ignite chance somewhere

[abstract summit]

Ye ignite is kinds rough, deep in warlock

[mighty tundra]

my paladin was close to 20 mil so i'm just gonna ignorantly assume dot lich can hit close to that too until i can test this on a dummy

[molten bramble]

But maybe trading 2 idol slots for ignite is worth the extra freeze you get from cb

either way it is flexible

[abstract summit]

What freeze, everything will instantly blow up XD

[molten bramble]

thats what I am thinking but maybe in the gearing process it could help

also not sure what to do with extra flay points

we have like 5 or 6 non mandatory points

[abstract summit]

Max out blood eruption chance maybe

[molten bramble]

Plasma fountain

OR blood revelry to juice our greater harvests?

[abstract summit]

Wo flat it's gonna be kind of a nothingburger imo

[molten bramble]

true

I do like the coold down reduce on reaper form

[abstract summit]

Ye if we have so many points the repeat branch might become interesting

Copy i mean

[molten bramble]

I mean its good we have extra points we can try and see what we like best

I am only really taking corrosive slash so that we have a curse to get mana back

on cb hits

[abstract summit]

We have bone curse from cb

[molten bramble]

yeah but that is every 6 secs

not going to be up every time

[abstract summit]

I guess ye

Wait no

It also refreshes

[molten bramble]

I am concerned about mapping

on single target bone curse will be fine

[abstract summit]

Im the opposite 😄 dont think we will be holding down right click all the time during mapping lol

[dark inlet]

Are you skipping the Marked for Death node on Flay? That's a Curse too

[harsh warren]

if you want faster skeleton milling you can use the cruelty relic, that kills your minions 2s after they're summoned

now that we can get 100% resummon chance shenanigans can occur

[molten bramble]

Good point

[abstract summit]

Also that ye

[molten bramble]

Also I was using it as freeze chance

if playing cold CB

[abstract summit]

If they fix it and it lowers armor too it may be useful

But as if now, if tooltip to be believee kinda bad

[molten bramble]

yeah

[dark inlet]

Sadly even 2s is too long for what I'm trying to solve, which is turning it into a ridiculous mana generator capable of solving a 900 mana/second problem I have (from being super greedy and doing things that I just shouldn't do and would get rid of this mana problem if I did).

[harsh warren]

there's also resummon time on top of that, which i think is 4s

[abstract summit]

I forgory where did we get shred from?

[dark inlet]

armor or necrotic?

[molten bramble]

glove neck or 3rd affix on wep

[abstract summit]

Ahbyou put it on the oh ye

[molten bramble]

for armor necrotic comes from harvest

[abstract summit]

Okay that's one thing to run

[molten bramble]

Honestly its probably best on wep

2lp nihilis is hard to get

could use exhalt gloves with shred until uberoth gloves

getting a 3 lp traitors with perf crit and weapon skills could be a little hard

but like 2lp with flat and shred would be good enough

I am worried that stuff will die from the CB hits and rip bloods wont proc to give us ward we will have to see in game play

[harsh warren]

if the stuff is dead then you don't need the ward /s

[molten bramble]

I guess if that is an issue then just increase corruption

I am going to try to craft a Low life no reaper form version

[little wigeon]

Hopefully the hp on hit from CB won't be an issue, shares it with mana return

[molten bramble]

It probably will be

[harsh warren]

It is for fissure

and this seems like More

[little wigeon]

But I think the build you got going and all the improvements have been great so far 👍

[molten bramble]

I think the only solution is to try Corrupted form

[zenith current]

i have just one problem with the build @harsh warren

[little wigeon]

True but the ward cap D:

[molten bramble]

yeah

[zenith current]

how do minion builds deal with fire shred

[little wigeon]

I think corrupted form will be decent for early leveling but once you got good ward gen probs not

[plain nest]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/AK291ZNo any advice on this tyrannosaur build?

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (21) / Necromancer (92)

General:

▸ Health: 4,211, Regen: 29.2/s
▸ Mana: 152.51, Regen: 10.88/s
▸ Ward Retention: 423%, Regen: 206/s
▸ Attributes: 166 Str / 26 Dex / 166 Int / 26 Att / 44 Vit
▸ Resistances: 77% / 77% / 77% / 63% / 127% / 127% / 127%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 127%, Threshold: 842
▸ Dodge Chance: 5% (141)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 76% (9,220)

Used skills:

Infernal Shade / Dread Shade / Summon Skeletal Mage / Bone Curse / Summon Wraith

[harsh warren]

which build and why fire shred?

[zenith current]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QqDv065A

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Necromancer (70) / Lich (23)

General:

▸ Health: 4,271, Regen: 336.72/s
▸ Mana: 136.51, Regen: 9.12/s
▸ Ward Retention: 179%, Regen: 177/s
▸ Attributes: 22 Str / 29 Dex / 66 Int / 18 Att / 131 Vit
▸ Resistances: 74% / 74% / 66% / 68% / 68% / 520% / 209%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 56%, Threshold: 854
▸ Dodge Chance: 51% (1951)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 47% (2,885)
▸ Block Chance: 35%, Mitigation: 27% (510)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 91%

Used skills:

Summon Bone Golem / Summon Skeleton / Summon Skeletal Mage / Dread Shade / Transplant

[molten bramble]

yeah like comming up with a setup using exsang with corrupted form until we get a good pale ox

[zenith current]

Need fire shred for fire golems

but i dont really hit with anything

[grim rune]

this doesn't include bleed overload and stuff and idols which give me more DoT dmg
but 1 bleed dmg is

[zenith current]

and bleed duration?

[grim rune]

3 sec

[zenith current]

yeah you need to ramp either of these two up

your frequency is fine but you need way more dam

or duration

[grim rune]

but it's ~1000 bleed/sec

[harsh warren]

you might be able to get it off of infernal shades

[zenith current]

yeah so suppose you have a cap of 3000 bleeds, that's 2.4 mil. Which is honestly kinda average

[grim rune]

well

ignite = bleed

[zenith current]

Over what tho

[grim rune]

bleed is capped at 3k?

[harsh warren]

I'ma be real with you chief i'm not sure where you're goin with that build

[zenith current]

you will cap out at 3k bleeds with 3 sec bleed duration and 1000 bleeds/sec 🙂

[forest mica]

why are you want to stack vitality?

[zenith current]

150% more dot

among numerous defensive benefits

[grim rune]

does LE tools include pen%?

[forest mica]

where the damage bonus come from?

[zenith current]

Forbidden Teachings in Necro

[harsh warren]

aaaaah i see

[zenith current]

yup

so it eats like 9 skellies and 4 skele mages

and wipes everything

[harsh warren]

maintaining the mages will be a bit annoying

[zenith current]

cast 4 times in 10 seconds is not that taxing

[harsh warren]

yyyyeah but the principle of the thing

:p

[zenith current]

you gonna tell me this is too clunky for you

ya weakling

[harsh warren]

ahahaha

[abstract summit]

I dont think you need corrupted with 40% life drain lol

Is bait

[zenith current]

KittenBarbarian, not BarbarianKitten, you

[grim rune]

@zenith current , my bad duration is 9.6 sec with blood of exile + veins of power and duration increase... dmg on LE doesnt include %phys pen, shred

[harsh warren]

here's the weird question then, are you actually getting decent scaling out of dread shade instead of stacking infernal shades

[zenith current]

That's better 😄

should be in the acceptable tier then

[grim rune]

so around ~1000 bleed/sec which spreads with duration of 9.6 sec

[harsh warren]

ah wait infernal shade doesn't have fire shred, it's got armor shred

[zenith current]

it does sorta

only if its on the ground

[zenith current]

Infernal shade's not benefitting from minion stuff

And yes

vit-scaling flat armor

is thicc

just that alone is busted

[molten bramble]

maybe but 80 cb's is 800 life per second

[zenith current]

casually getting 4500 armor

from dread shade aura

[abstract summit]

If 44% drain is not enough then I would just add more drain, gloves affix. If that's not enough then it's not viable cause corrupted form on an ll build is just simply not viable

Yor HP will be 1700 ward, not protected by endurance

[molten bramble]

Yeah it is really hard to make this work as Low life I am realizing

[abstract summit]

It would prob require the better drain chest

Thus losing a lotta mana

[molten bramble]

everything just is simpler with a high life build

and works together

more cohesive

[abstract summit]

Ye. I still want to try it cause it's giga damage

[harsh warren]

infernal shade is GIVING your minion stuff. it's not a damage vector

[abstract summit]

But is experemintal, i assume a lot of people will use your planner come launch so would put the safe option in there

[zenith current]

oh the attack/cast speed is whatever

[molten bramble]

Only reason I am playing around with Low Life is to get some ideas for transition

[zenith current]

im not really relying on hits

[harsh warren]

move speed

[abstract summit]

I would do it cause scornful is a 20% more damage lol

[harsh warren]

move speed will get your guy in range faster for the aura and help compensate for bad minion ai decisions

[zenith current]

maybe.

will see if its needed

[harsh warren]

but yeah it's mostly moot because i thought there was fire res shred in there but it wasn't actually helpful

[zenith current]

There is

[harsh warren]

yeah but not in a form that helps

[zenith current]

it does

ground targetted infernal shade is fine

as a debuff tbh

got the +4 max shades set anyway

[molten bramble]

I was also thinking about the flat on harvest and I think we still have some solid flat damage the 2 weapons alone with hybrid necrotic flat we would be at 190 ish with the implicit on axe giving increased melee necrotic. I do not think it would be that bad

[zenith current]

Not having to drop blessing for shred

seems worth

[molten bramble]

We have to use the skill anyway for mana regen occasionally

[abstract summit]

It's not bad per se but like... 200-300k dps

[zenith current]

you only ever need shred for boss fights

[harsh warren]

if you set mages to traversal it's less upkeep, you don't suffer from losing transplant as much, and opens a skill slot to spec infernal

you won't have as many as often for the auras but that likely doesn't matter considering how many skeletons it's gonna chug

[zenith current]

Yea id' rather not have mages set to traversal if i can help it cause i need 4 mages per 10 sec, so that only works if mage tp gets reduced to 2 sec~, thats unrealistic

[harsh warren]

without it you have no traversal skill

unless resummoning skeletons works without it on your bar

[hidden sable]

you'd want mages traversal so they do 40% more damage with chariot boots?

[zenith current]

nah

[grim rune]

yup 7,747,200 bleed warlock xd

kinda cooked

[mighty tundra]

@fleet rootok I calculated the bleed lich and it's sitting at 6.3 million dps

[grim rune]

now to find way to fix void res :C

[mighty tundra]

could definitely get higher if I sacrifice some tank or smth

[zenith current]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/AVK9mWRQ Ideally id like to drop infernal shade for transplant while keeping fire shred

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Necromancer (70) / Lich (23)

General:

▸ Health: 4,271, Regen: 336.72/s
▸ Mana: 136.51, Regen: 9.12/s
▸ Ward Retention: 179%, Regen: 177/s
▸ Attributes: 22 Str / 29 Dex / 66 Int / 18 Att / 131 Vit
▸ Resistances: 74% / 74% / 66% / 68% / 68% / 520% / 209%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 56%, Threshold: 854
▸ Dodge Chance: 51% (1951)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 54% (3,569)
▸ Block Chance: 35%, Mitigation: 27% (510)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 91%

Used skills:

Summon Bone Golem / Summon Skeleton / Summon Skeletal Mage / Dread Shade / Infernal Shade

[zenith current]

fire shred on minions is surprisingly difficult

[mighty tundra]

I really feel like mana stacking is the way to go for melee flay

Man harvest really doesn't contribute as much as I thought it would

like 5 million of the dps is coming from chaos bolts alone. Harvest is like 260k

and that's fair, we're not playing poe

[zenith current]

hey

thematic works in poe2 at least :p

[mighty tundra]

it does to an extent

i just find it so hard to make servicable builds in poe1. Less so in 2 but the only comfy build i made was galvanic shard/plasma bolt Titan

[zenith current]

Anyone is willing to help me figure out a way to take out infernal shade for transplant while keeping shred?

Eh i think it just takes longer to get there.

[harsh warren]

stack up on the transplant explosions and get fire res shred on hit

or give up on res shred

[zenith current]

can you sustain 10 stacks that way tho

[harsh warren]

absolutely not. there are only so many sources of this debuff though https://www.lastepochtools.com/ailments/fire_res_shred/sources

[zenith current]

yea has to be infernal shade then

hold on

maybe dread shade can be taken out for transplant off the bar?

since its permanent now?

[harsh warren]

maybe? i dunno if it'll dispell itself if the skill becomes unallocated

[zenith current]

checking

[old hull]

Behavior may change in S3

but may not

[zenith current]

works

at least at the moment

[dark inlet]

I just realized Permanence of Primal Knowledge says it rounds up. So Spine of Malatros can give +5/+5/+5 😂

Classically misread the effect.

[restive plume]

What are some good options for flat damage for the abom?

[zenith current]

legendary affixes

all right I'm saved.

[restive plume]

Or minions in general, I guess. Added melee

[zenith current]

Can take out dread shade for transplant while keeping fire shred. neat.

[dark inlet]

OHHH, I misunderstood it, RIP.

I was thinking uniques

Tragedy

[zenith current]

my Sword Catcher ass wanted it to work that way too

Excellent, then this should totally work then

[mighty tundra]

man I'm gonna need more than 6.3 mil if i want to do uber on this build though lol

and it has enough investment that I feel like i should aim for that

[grim rune]

9,933.84 will be gucci ?

XD

[zenith current]

depending on your bleed dps, yeah, that should be ok

[grim rune]

well, ill se how it works when patch hits

[mighty tundra]

Does anyone have experience with bone curse, in combining Crimson Enlightenment and Illusion of Pain?

Like is reaching the max hit the same as timing out?

nvm i don't think this idea is worth it, forgot chaos bolts has a 6 second cooldown on proccing bone curse

[wintry flame]

whats up guys any tech?

[zenith current]

i made

a vit stacking fire golem skeleton churner

and i think thats probably the most original build

i can think of

[wintry flame]

I see

I looked at that and I was depressed I was looking at the same golem tree, so I stopped

[zenith current]

whatcha mean same golem tree lol

[wintry flame]

cause it got no changes haha

[zenith current]

didnt realize flame golem is meta, i thought the meta with golems used to be to run the chest?

[wintry flame]

there is no meta with golems tbh

[zenith current]

oh you mean like no changes

well in a way

it got a lot of support

[wintry flame]

yeah

[zenith current]

hit-based could very well go ice golem too

cant be arsed to play around a 6 sec minion skill tho

[grim rune]

will be hard to choose XD

[zenith current]

150 vit gives me 4500 armor from dread shade, 150% more dot, 150+ on hit from golems, 300% dodge rating, 300% health regen, 600% minion life,

id say that's... pretty decent

yea the more i hear about mana lich the less i wanna start it xD

[wintry flame]

yeah idk rogues just too good poison gonna be busted

[unreal hill]

don't forget the memey str stacker lich

[charred ridge]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DtBHrLQzlimGUn6an-pOCVKqZFHzMvIdJ-krF_F0NsM/edit?gid=955535936#gid=955535936

dmc calc updated with some 1.3 flay builds

don't get them nerfed 🙂

[grim rune]

tbh for new gloves I think bleed hammeradin will be better xd

[unreal hill]

it might be, but I saw someone doing cleaver solution trex and it's just badass.

[grim rune]

anything cooked for VK ?

or deadge?

[charred ridge]

not deadge but not gonna cook

you can play ES timerot with set bonus ring

it does half the current dmg but it's budget

considering javelin was one shotting, half a one shot probably doesnt qualify as dead

you can also strength stack with the primordial belt and do stuff with harmony of the first etc i ran some quick numbers and VK is definitely not deadge but im not that invested

[old hull]

Yeah, they really will be lol

[zenith current]

You think Rogues poison is better than infernal aura golems?

for dot minions?

[old hull]

Single target dps, absolutely no contest. Clear might be where golem can win, but idk rogues don't have terrible clear

[wintry flame]

rogue clear is probably better still actually 😛

esepcially with ai changes, or I'd at least hope so

[wintry flame]

and yes

[abstract summit]

baseline or against lvl100?

[old hull]

Very possible yeah

[grim rune]

lv100 has 100% resists?

or how it works

[charred ridge]

https://lastepoch.tunklab.com/mobdr

[abstract summit]

87% DR

just be aware always that your real DPS in empowered monos is 13% of sheet DPS

[unreal hill]

👀 is this why my sheet says 100k or so but my actual hits are like 10kish

[charred ridge]

probably

[abstract summit]

if you are testing it in empowered monos ye

[grim rune]

so yeah 9,933.84 baseline, but LE tools doesnt show phys pen

[abstract summit]

go to the arena, where the dummies are like lvl 50 ish?

you will see bigger numbers

[unreal hill]

almost got all the starter gear for my lich, just need to get some idols now.

oh wait I have the relic too.

[old hull]

Dummies have 0 area level DR

[zenith current]

sell it to me

[unreal hill]

we don't talk about MG here

[zenith current]

good thing this isn't about ... them.

[wintry flame]

it does lots of damage and your minions teleport

[abstract summit]

@molten bramble i think i may have fallen victim to an LE Tools bug which got fixed overnight but it looks like we dont have a lot of increased %. used to have 236% from passives now i only count 60%

[unreal hill]

yeah was just a joke :p

[zenith current]

I see you, Circle of fortune supremacist

[zenith current]

whats the dps looking like tho

[molten bramble]

You have 500% from int 60% from tree 120% from reaper form

[abstract summit]

ye i know just saying tools showed a lot more from pasives before but something was bugged I think and i never double checked

so overall dam gonna be lower now

will recheck everything now before continue checking weights but some more % increased might be useful

dont think you need 4 in the frostbite passive for example

[molten bramble]

You could put some into grasp of fate I needed 4 points to get down the tree there

[abstract summit]

yep yep

[molten bramble]

You probably used the melee necrotic value with the extra 160% from the axe

[abstract summit]

ye that could be actually

[unreal hill]

just saw this, and yeah. I feel it.

[wintry flame]

conservative numbers are like 7m dps

[zenith current]

let's see.

lemme do the math on mine

[wintry flame]

I was doing 2m on budget in current patch

as a starter it's gonna be nice

[charred ridge]

are you guys talking about dummy dps or real dps

and what yall building anyway

[wintry flame]

dummy dps

and I was talking about poison skele rogues

[charred ridge]

ah ok

[grim rune]

Im trying to cook bleed lock with new gloves

[abstract summit]

just to double check, you also count 217 flat necro spell?
10 base, 80 spell from weapons, 82 again from weapons from melee necro, 12,5 adaptive tongue implicit, 6,5 adaptive passive not wearing shield, 6 reaper form, 20 oblation

and 49 fire (10 + 12,5 + 6,5 + 20)

774% increased (464 int, 90 passives, 120 reaper)

[tender ridge]

poison skele rogues are pretty underrated

[zenith current]

id like to see a planner

if you dont mind sharing @wintry flame

[tender ridge]

tryin to figure out phys ghostflame with the new dot multi

[old hull]

I did 5M current patch on skele rogues, not super optimized or anything

[wintry flame]

yeah, think they gonna get higher than 7m for sure

[abstract summit]

how would you count this? flat 30% more on the final attack rate of flay?

[old hull]

Easily yeah, overall minion damage was buffed just from levels, dread shade got a new DOT node, and now there's the vit scaling node

[zenith current]

seems like i might have overestimated the base stats of infernal aura... might pivot to skele rogues

[tender ridge]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/AK29v43o this is my extremely unoptimized rogues from 1.1

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 87

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.7

Class:

Acolyte (30) / Necromancer (56) / Lich (14)

General:

▸ Health: 1,985, Regen: 27.45/s
▸ Mana: 109.94, Regen: 10.32/s
▸ Ward Retention: 191%, Regen: 30/s
▸ Attributes: 2 Str / 5 Dex / 38 Int / 2 Att / 11 Vit
▸ Resistances: 90% / 75% / 62% / 62% / 64% / 124% / 104%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 86%, Threshold: 397
▸ Dodge Chance: 5% (118)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 24% (873)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 90%

Used skills:

Summon Skeleton / Harvest / Summon Skeletal Mage / Aura Of Decay / Dread Shade

[tender ridge]

with the caveat that I don't play necromancer like ever and just wanted to try building poison minions

but it will absolutely cruise through empowered monos to start farming 100c early on. I killed lagon before he phased

[zenith current]

dont see much point to death knights

but otherwise yea largely what i expected

[inner void]

guy's may i ask you're help i have never played lich and i want to try one for the new season with the new skill flay can anyone help me with how i should build it and why going a serten way ?

[old hull]

Yes, kinda, not sure if it procs all effects or cost mana though

[tender ridge]

it was a traversal skill that also dealt damage

it's also tankier than the skeletons to hold the dread shade, but I think I remember that not really mattering

[abstract summit]

ye that's kind of a big question lol

but i dont see why it wouldnt

[old hull]

Here's my actual char, not sure why the body armor and ammy don't pickup, they are just pale ox and poison swine, but you get the idea, I'm even stacking heal effect because my damage is already fine https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/FatherToast/character/WitchfireToast
Oh it doesn't snag the idols, either, weird

[grim rune]

jesus christ how i hate idols in LEtools

[abstract summit]

#👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs message sadge

[zenith current]

isn't decrepify better?

The idols fetch on planner

and the chest

the amulet doesnt for some reason

but did the work for you https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/B5naz9Zo

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 91

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (31) / Necromancer (59) / Lich (14)

General:

▸ Health: 3,058, Regen: 97.03/s
▸ Mana: 109.1, Regen: 9.6/s
▸ Ward Retention: 149%, Regen: 46/s
▸ Attributes: 17 Str / 3 Dex / 62 Int / 3 Att / 40 Vit
▸ Resistances: 78% / 118% / 68% / 79% / 71% / 157% / 153%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 87%, Threshold: 612
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (42)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 31% (1,401)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 12%

Used skills:

Aura Of Decay / Harvest / Summon Skeleton / Dread Shade / Summon Wraith

[zenith current]

is the +1 skeleton necessary? @old hull

[wintry flame]

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/planner/df7f20g8 here is mine

[old hull]

Yeah, I just didn't have one laying around

[tender ridge]

last time I asked dammitt he said that he was eventually gonna put an idol copy-paste in, just wasn't a high priority

[old hull]

this is my ammy

[zenith current]

Only 1 set for entwined?

[wintry flame]

yeah so I can run 10 shades on my 5 rogues

[old hull]

Yes, it's to hit a breakpoint for +1 skele on phalanx
(ideally, I'd slam +4 skele and +1 max skele on the body armor eventually and replace the ring)

[zenith current]

hmm

I'd swap the poison damage % for res in idols

[grim rune]

okay I think I've went too far

• 624% from gloves XD

[zenith current]

ah wait

i dont think that works for poison

[wintry flame]

I'll have to see about another option, if the rogues can't sustain the infernal shade 😛 but they have way more hp and resist than I have in current patch, so here's to hoping

[tender ridge]

does plague bearers get converted now with the phys/cold coversions?

i didn't actually check

[old hull]

Yes

well, the important node after it does, I assume the poison chance does also

[tender ridge]

bleed wraiths? 👀

[grim rune]

what's the best way to get more phys % resists :?

[tender ridge]

the blessing gives quite a bit

[old hull]

anything with bone amulet base helps, too

[grim rune]

9,933.84 with 85% phys pen

gucci

[pallid plume]

Hey is the new gain ward on death passive worth it ?

If I'm correct each point gives it

• 10% ward retention
• 10% chance to gain 13 ward on nearby death

So at 10 passives it's 100% ward retention and 100% chance to gain 13 ward on death.

I'm not sure if you literally just take this for the ward retention or is 13 ward on minion or enemy death that good ?

[grim rune]

3500 bleeds per second

stacked 636% phys res, no idea if I should go more

[molten bramble]

Should be 40 from belt into instead of 20/20 it would be 40 necro 0 fire

[buoyant bear]

Small note, it gives 100 decay threshold, not 100% retention

[pallid plume]

Ahhh.....

I guess that makes it much worse than I expected.

[tender ridge]

ghostflame having very few multipliers to its ailment damage is odd considering how much ailment chance you can get with it

[abstract summit]

from what i can tell everybody is stating adaptive is split according to the base split, and not according to the actual added proportions

[elder solstice]

hey guys i was wondering about the new legendary executioners tithe saying 50% of all melee dmg is added as spell dmg, does this include "fire melee damage" or "frost melee damage" or any of the melee damages and if so isn't like a double t7 melee dmg roll on that dual wielded gonna be absolutely insane? if anyone can answer this or wants to discuss this build please msg me

[dark inlet]

for the purposes of flay hits only, yeah. since those won't also proc CB

[abstract summit]

just to double check this as well, 1,1 base flay attack rate multiplied by 1,095 which is the average attack rate of traitors tongue and tithe multiplied by (1+2,36) because we have 236% melee attack speed:
1,1 X 1,095 X 3,36=4,04712
is the correct flay attacks per sec?

if yes we surpassed speed of light with CBs lol

[tender ridge]

i just noticed that marrow shards was given a cold conversion, that's pretty interesting

[zenith current]

mind if i take a peek at your planner

[grim rune]

I think planner is shit atm. I misread something

[abstract summit]

@molten bramble I believe this is now very close to accurate, latest planner

[dark inlet]

yeah, if mana sustain weren't an issue (which it would be) you could theoretically get up to like 500 CBs/second 😂

I've been trying to solve that problem somehow but I think I'll eventually have to be realistic and settle for the version without extra projectiles on recasts 🤣

[zenith current]

Other than Damned Mages and Hungering Souls, there is no Necrotic dot minion, is there?

[radiant ocean]

Hey yall Acolytes, I've got a question I cant seem to find an awnser to; if you use the Signet of Agony, Crimson Enlightenment and Acute Infliction nodes from Bone Curse, does Signet of Agony refresh the hit count of Acute Infliction for the Curse everytime it triggers, meaning you can't ever trigger Rip Blood from Crimson Enlightenment?

[abstract summit]

ye i think realistically if you want to open a new dimension on the build that's gotta be at the cost of survivability, and going scornful with hollow lich

there is only so much you can squeeze out of mana lol

full calcs if somebody feels like double checking

[zenith current]

the damage seems okay but nothing too crazy... makes me wanna consider something else

[abstract summit]

anyway, so to answer the first question: fire CB with ignite from passive and full mana idols is better than cold CB and chance for snow

7M uber DPS is nothing crazy? 😄

[grim rune]

Well time rot javelin was 250m

XD

[mighty tundra]

and time rot javeling was broken lol

[abstract summit]

pretty sure baseline, not after 87% DR

i mean ye it's not one tapping uber, no

[grim rune]

Well no, it was broken

[abstract summit]

but im waiting for bigger numbers to be shown in this chat 🙂

i guess Misha said his abo build will do 100x of anything else, so that's gotta be 5 billion

[mighty tundra]

sitting at about 10 mil on bleed flay now

kinda crazy what crit one does compared lol

[abstract summit]

ye my fbite try was around 10M initially, probably could be pushed to 20 something

[charred ridge]

timerot did 250mil dmg with 12 stacks of timerot on the target

[mighty tundra]

i'm aiming for 20m

[charred ridge]

not per second

and yes it's on uber not dummies

[mighty tundra]

20 mil is the bare minimum i want for trying the uber

[abstract summit]

but it's also low life, no leech so uhm 😄

not much chonk let's just leave it at that

[charred ridge]

what does dmg per cast represent

1 bolt?

[abstract summit]

ye

this is just the CB triggers but that's majority of the damage so optimizing that before doing the full calc. all the other stuff is like a couple mils combined at best

[mighty tundra]

I'm using Astral Blood and stacking health. Plan is to sit at 0 help but have about 4k ward per second and my calculator says it should be around 13k ward. That way I can make use of the dot per 20 missing health multiplier in chaos bolts

[charred ridge]

where's the planner

[tall mural]

I wish I liked minion gameplay

[abstract summit]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oR5qpDXB

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (83) / Warlock (10)

General:

▸ Health: 2,189, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 1,396.56, Regen: 21.2/s
▸ Ward Retention: 305%, Regen: 25/s
▸ Attributes: 35 Str / 13 Dex / 120 Int / 13 Att / 15 Vit
▸ Resistances: 57% / 57% / 57% / 75% / 65% / 150% / 104%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 46%, Threshold: 705
▸ Dodge Chance: 3% (71)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 50% (3,181)

Used skills:

Rip Blood / Flay / Chaos Bolts / Reaper Form / Harvest

[charred ridge]

minions 🤮

ty

[tall mural]

Because new abom looks great and Tren-rex looks amazing on paper

[abstract summit]

disclaimer, it's Bwz's, im just mathing

[mighty tundra]

maybe I should stack those 1 slot idols instead of the 3 slot % health + ward

eh i'll try later

[abstract summit]

ye same

[charred ridge]

oh

[abstract summit]

i think DoT build pretty much wants you to go 1 HP

[charred ridge]

i was looking at the 462k bolt dmg thinking it's against lvl 100 mobs

nvm

[abstract summit]

nah, 60k. but we have 113 a second lol

[mighty tundra]

yeah for sure. It's a shame because Reaper form has so much useful stuff in it and now the only useful thing is to throw in Harvest for an extra proc

gonna be visual clutter the game

[tall mural]

Oh yeah, gonna be some absolute eye cancer builds this league

[mighty tundra]

chaos bolts everywhere!

[charred ridge]

this can be optimized more

traitor's tongue is superfluous

[radiant ocean]

Alright, after some in-game testing, it seeeems like it works like I desrcibed, that being it doesnt. Sadge-

[abstract summit]

traitor tongue crit caps us mostly

[charred ridge]

yeah you dont need that

[radiant ocean]

But its difficult to tell really

[charred ridge]

what you need is 48% more dmg from ladle

[abstract summit]

you want me to get 48% more damage instead of 50% crit on 400% crit multi and 30% attack speed? 😄

[charred ridge]

instead of what crit?

is there a difference between having 100% crit and having 100% crit?

not sure

[abstract summit]

we are barely crit capped as far as im aware, with the 13% base crit from tongue

[charred ridge]

like you can't crit cap without traitor's tongue

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QWkOd34Q

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (83) / Warlock (10)

General:

▸ Health: 2,219, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 1,355.22, Regen: 16.56/s
▸ Ward Retention: 258%, Regen: 47/s
▸ Attributes: 16 Str / 19 Dex / 109 Int / 8 Att / 9 Vit
▸ Resistances: 21% / 21% / 21% / 21% / 21% / 140% / 50%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 666
▸ Dodge Chance: 11% (347)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 41% (2,301)

Used skills:

Reaper Form / Flay / Harvest / Rip Blood / Chaos Bolts

[charred ridge]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DtBHrLQzlimGUn6an-pOCVKqZFHzMvIdJ-krF_F0NsM/edit?gid=0#gid=0

if you don't like stardials you can use red rings that's fine

red ring version still ends up over 100k per bolt

[abstract summit]

you have 2341 mana vs 2811
5 less procs per second, and 100% less damage from deadly plot

[charred ridge]

budget version at 70k per bolt with less gear

hmm how do you end up at 2811 mana

oh

[abstract summit]

the relic is not counted in le tools

[charred ridge]

LEtools doesnt get the relic effect

gotcha

[abstract summit]

ye it's an extra 240 flat

and mana seems to be the best scaler kinda

[charred ridge]

i dont think the relic is worth it over a t8 body primordial

it's about the same mana but you lose out on SW and more body prefixes

[abstract summit]

eh maybe. pale ox or DR body armors are kinda nice tho

and we still end up with more health and mana because of the relic

dagger gets 30% attack speed in flay's tree too, not to be discounted

[charred ridge]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/B4yqm9Lo

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (83) / Warlock (10)

General:

▸ Health: 2,555, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 1,569.34, Regen: 20.88/s
▸ Ward Retention: 238%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 16 Str / 9 Dex / 99 Int / 8 Att / 9 Vit
▸ Resistances: 13% / 13% / 13% / 21% / 21% / 90% / 50%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 920
▸ Dodge Chance: 9% (276)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 37% (1,979)

Used skills:

Reaper Form / Flay / Harvest / Rip Blood / Chaos Bolts

[charred ridge]

if you really wanna mana stack you do get 2.8k mana as well

i mean the point really is that ladle is a bunch of dmg

i dont see the point of traitor's tongue

it does give a bunch of aspd via flay but like

48% more dmg

y'know

[abstract summit]

more flat also

[charred ridge]

that is so negligible compared to 1.5x dmg

lmc

[abstract summit]

i mean i can run it no problem, that's why i made the sheet so we can compare variants 😄

[charred ridge]

nah you right

they about the same dmg

but dagger gets aspd

yeah the flat is a decent amount

[elder solstice]

hey guys i was wondering about the new legendary executioners tithe saying 50% of all melee dmg is added as spell dmg, does this include "fire melee damage" or "frost melee damage" or any of the melee damages and if so isn't like a double t7 melee dmg roll on that dual wielded gonna be absolutely insane? if anyone can answer this or wants to discuss this build please msg me

[abstract summit]

you can def squeeze out more damage like ye red rings are really mostly just for defense, but I think Bwz's aim was to also be comfy and somewhat tanky at the same time

[charred ridge]

yes

[left whale]

Yea

[charred ridge]

im just tryna optimize dmg for uber i dont really care about defense

[molten bramble]

I like the Julia rings i was think those or phantom grips until red rings.

[charred ridge]

1kc is a joke anyway u can slap on red rings as a swap for sure

it'll be comfy

[abstract summit]

if you want giga damage my additional scaling vector idea is scornful and hollow lich, drop reaper, go full low life

[charred ridge]

phantom grip just for the mana?

[molten bramble]

And crit. While gearing

[charred ridge]

can math it up but it's really hard to do better dmg than julra

for p-much any build in the game really stardials are just freaking busted

[abstract summit]

oh flay has movement tag by default

ye we could def use more % if damage needs to be higher

[charred ridge]

you get about 1500% increased dmg on this build and then julra gives another 1300 just on its own

basically double dmg

balanced ring slot

[abstract summit]

but this is apparently all your leech on all your damage every 0.25s, uncapped

and you have like 20% spell leech if you spec all with accursed feast

and we are within 6m for sure

[zenith current]

i was considering that

[charred ridge]

that is almost certainly not how it works

[unreal hill]

yeah but the issue is needing to find other sustains cause the draining bit is thematic, not mechanic.
It doesn't heal at all.

[zenith current]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/B5nDvbxo depending on how it works, i drafted this. needs to be way tankier than this

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (80) / Warlock (13)

General:

▸ Health: 2,766, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 116.51, Regen: 9.12/s
▸ Ward Retention: 230%, Regen: 61/s
▸ Attributes: 95 Str / 25 Dex / 95 Int / 8 Att / 10 Vit
▸ Resistances: 100% / 100% / 100% / 95% / 102% / 102% / 84%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 58%, Threshold: 608
▸ Dodge Chance: 16% (517)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 49% (3,032)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 91%

Used skills:

Harvest / Reaper Form / Aura Of Decay / Bone Curse / Transplant

[charred ridge]

if your leech is over 3 seconds then what the node really means is that you will deal an amount of damage equal to your leech over 3 seconds but it will tick every 0.25 seconds

you're not getting your whole leech dmg every 0.25s that would be absurd

[abstract summit]

lemme look back for Mike's message on it

but i mean 20% more damage over 3s is still giga

[charred ridge]

of course

the node is extremely strong offensively

just like the leech belt

i was theorycrafting some strength stacking flay and the belt alone multiplies your dmg by 13

very balanced

[obtuse totem]

I'm super concerned about the mana for a flay build

[obtuse totem]

Which belt?

[charred ridge]

primordial belt

[abstract summit]

#👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs message

[obtuse totem]

Ahh

[charred ridge]

i mean he doesnt seem very certain about his answer

[abstract summit]

ye 😄

[charred ridge]

to me quite frankly i think there is a 0.0001% possibility that you deal your entire leech as dmg every 0.25s

there's just no alternate timeline in which that is how it would work

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oy5Jly7o

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (83) / Warlock (10)

General:

▸ Health: 1,810, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 1,656.26, Regen: 19.76/s
▸ Ward Retention: 273%, Regen: 25/s
▸ Attributes: 10 Str / 2 Dex / 104 Int / 8 Att / 4 Vit
▸ Resistances: 13% / 13% / 53% / 71% / 21% / 95% / 49%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 33%, Threshold: 507
▸ Armor Mitigation: 43% (2,509)

Used skills:

Rip Blood / Flay / Chaos Bolts / Reaper Form / Harvest

[charred ridge]

if you want to plug in this build tho

[abstract summit]

i mean i also thought there is no way they gonna let you proc things 100 times a second but here we are kek

[charred ridge]

you can plug it with t5s instead of double t7s too that doesnt really matter

but ye i think if the sole purpose of the primordial relic is just to extract more mana (from your idols)

then you can just put on the lagon relic and use a t8 primordial

that goes up to 3k mana

and julras double your dmg too

[abstract summit]

ye without running it that looks like... 20-30% more damage probably, with less survive ofc

[charred ridge]

can find some random setup for maps

dont think it's an issue

again just slapping on red rings is prob just good enough

[abstract summit]

ye things just gonna blow up anyway as soon as you teleport into a pack

[charred ridge]

double mana legendaries aren't class locked btw right

i mean you should be able to use a double mana ekkidrasil right?

[abstract summit]

ye it's like 3250 mana lol

oh ye that was what i wanted to test next

[charred ridge]

prob just keep the primordial relic and do that on chest too then

[old hull]

as in % mana + flat mana, yes

[charred ridge]

yeah

[abstract summit]

rings are 64 more int and mana right?

[charred ridge]

the stardials?

[abstract summit]

ye comapred to red rings

[charred ridge]

64 more int and 60 more mana

[abstract summit]

I guess i could average it out

[charred ridge]

average as in?

take the mid rolls?

[abstract summit]

4/12 uptime

[charred ridge]

oh nah

you have full uptime on julra's in the uber fight

[brisk elk]

what

[charred ridge]

you burst him down in 4 seconds and he takes 8 seconds to phase

stardials are just perma uptime

[abstract summit]

ye i guess

[charred ridge]

i'm telling you

i used stardials in like 5 different uber builds and it's always the same thing

[brisk elk]

i am 99% sure you can't use an affix that a class cant get

on a legendary

planner doesnt let you

[charred ridge]

planner is not the game

[brisk elk]

i will have to check

[abstract summit]

3457 mana then

[charred ridge]

i'll go in-game to test it though

[brisk elk]

pleaase so

do

[potent fable]

Mike confirmed %mana on other classes is a bug

[brisk elk]

will it be fixed by release?

[potent fable]

This came up in mage chat recently

[charred ridge]

it's been a bug since 1.0 im pretty sure

i mean even before i guess

[abstract summit]

vs the original 2811, so like on the tin 23% more damage, but we also get more increased

[charred ridge]

just saying it's nothing new

[brisk elk]

if its still there then yeah but its clearly unintentional

[charred ridge]

if it's unintentional but hasn't been fixed in years then it's fair game

[brisk elk]

fair enough

[charred ridge]

like if everybody reports it and it's still not being fixed then it's just part of the game

[brisk elk]

lol

[vocal mist]

anyone put together a compelling flay build yet?

[brisk elk]

ok so %increased mana on helmet and chest makes things a lot easier

[potent fable]

Just have to imprint farm on a sentinel

[charred ridge]

it'll be harder to farm those affixes cause you'll either have to level up a sent/rogue or you'll have to deal with reduced drop rates for items from other classes

[brisk elk]

or buy from market for 12039399312039 gold

[charred ridge]

you can imprint farm on an acolyte and sometimes it'll drop sentinel/rogue helms

[potent fable]

Guess that's my excuse to play warpath this season

[brisk elk]

are you guys going cof

[charred ridge]

t8 channel cost is a pretty good excuse to play warpath

im absolutely going cof

[potent fable]

Yeah always cof

[abstract summit]

holy shit

[charred ridge]

maybe i'll make a MG alt to abuse rerolls

[abstract summit]

that's a lotta damage

[charred ridge]

yeah bro im telling you stardials are completely busted

[abstract summit]

like, a LOT

[brisk elk]

yeah i expect the mana stacker shit to be insanely expensive on market

[charred ridge]

stardials are like completely idiotic

[old hull]

Since legendaries were introduced

0.8.4ish?

[charred ridge]

yeah i figured, its just im a 1.0 baby 😂

[brisk elk]

how does this work

btw

[charred ridge]

also prob replace weapon affixes with crit multi instead of aspd

im p-sure it should be better since it feels like you get enough aspd from other sources already

[abstract summit]

ye still need to test the affix weights

[charred ridge]

uber just phases while julra is on cooldown

i can send a video

https://youtu.be/U-hm5Xuuu-s?t=10

[grim rune]

Same thing, I’m mostly worried about Uber. Doing monos is easy

[charred ridge]

like you can see pretty much whenever uber can be hit, stardials are up

[tall mural]

can you have a dread shade and an infernal shade on the same minion?

[brisk elk]

yes

[charred ridge]

im doing it with fire flask here but it's the same thing with p-much any build

[charred ridge]

that's more like it

[tall mural]

Man, double shading the Trex when you are stacking attributes is gonna be dumb

[charred ridge]

with this setup, flay CB is gonna look like that fire flask kill

basically

[abstract summit]

now we are getting into really dumb territory

[brisk elk]

so is it just valeroot with %mana and +mana for the chest

is that the move

[grim rune]

Wtf

That was 7m before

[charred ridge]

u can do valeroot

[abstract summit]

well Noobzor came in with the uber killing tech 😄

[brisk elk]

what else would you use

[grim rune]

Lmfao

[charred ridge]

you can also do woven flesh if you use the leech -> dmg tech

it has 40% increased damage leeched as health

[brisk elk]

if you give up your leech you kinds gotta go low life no?

[charred ridge]

yes

i mean you wouldnt do it for maps

[grim rune]

I don’t remember any season when I did not use stardials tbh

[charred ridge]

it's just for uber

just dont get hit the fight only lasts 40 seconds and he's phasing the whole time

dont need defenses

[brisk elk]

is it a meaningful amount of dmg

[charred ridge]

depends how much leech you can get

[brisk elk]

i see

[charred ridge]

i havent looked at spell leech in details

[brisk elk]

so for uber killing setup you go leech conversion and then turn leech back on for maps

[abstract summit]

okay wait it's a little bit less, forgot about we switched relic

[charred ridge]

melee gets a 8x dmg multiplier from leech but they have leech affixes on weapons

[charred ridge]

honestly it's kinda just funny theorycrafting, leech might be higher dps but realistically you'll have high enough dps without needing to go dps leech

[brisk elk]

yeah

[charred ridge]

in practice you won't go through the hassle of switching passive points

gear sure

[brisk elk]

i feel like low life makes your defenses worse

[charred ridge]

but passives is just not worth it

[brisk elk]

unless you go for exsang+last steps

i dont see where you get enough ward to justify turning leech off

[charred ridge]

i think it's kinda hard to theorycraft defenses without having access to the game

[brisk elk]

i agree

[charred ridge]

im not gonna think too hard about it and just wait for release

[zenith current]

I took some time

[zenith current]

Made my own take on it https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QDGZ7DOA

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (23) / Necromancer (61) / Lich (29)

General:

▸ Health: 4,414, Regen: 374.22/s
▸ Mana: 140.51, Regen: 9.12/s
▸ Ward Retention: 147%, Regen: 47/s
▸ Attributes: 50 Str / 21 Dex / 41 Int / 20 Att / 146 Vit
▸ Resistances: 72% / 72% / 72% / 75% / 77% / 281% / 430%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 62%, Threshold: 998
▸ Dodge Chance: 48% (1791)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 58% (4,128)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 91%

Used skills:

Aura Of Decay / Summon Skeleton / Summon Skeletal Mage / Dread Shade / Harvest

[zenith current]

I'm not expeienced with skele rogues so i welcome feedback

[charred ridge]

one way or another you'll fix your defenses for 1kc

[zenith current]

i might be missing some obvious things

[abstract summit]

on one hand i forgot the relic, on the other i was undervauling deadly ploy the whole time lol

[brisk elk]

also you need aura of decay if you have health drain or else you will drop out of reaper form right

[charred ridge]

did you have it at 2 points?

a lot of ppl thought the node is getting nerfed from 4 to 2 points

for some reason

[abstract summit]

so 24M still

just on the CB procs

3k mana

[charred ridge]

uber has 238mil hp for reference

[zenith current]

how ya'll getting 3 k mana lol

[charred ridge]

so that's a "10 seconds kill" + phasing time (aka <40s)

[brisk elk]

^

wont you drop out of reaper form without % missing health heal from aura

whenever you arent leeching

[obtuse totem]

yeah ive no idea how people are getting numbers like that

[charred ridge]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/AK29GMLo

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (83) / Warlock (10)

General:

▸ Health: 1,943, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 1,462.28, Regen: 19.76/s
▸ Ward Retention: 261%, Regen: 25/s
▸ Attributes: 13 Str / 5 Dex / 98 Int / 5 Att / 7 Vit
▸ Resistances: 21% / 21% / 21% / 39% / 29% / 106% / 60%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 46%, Threshold: 626
▸ Dodge Chance: 1% (20)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 39% (2,181)

Used skills:

Rip Blood / Flay / Chaos Bolts / Reaper Form / Harvest

[charred ridge]

like this except the t1 affixes on body/helm are t7 mana%

(sentinel/rogue affix)

[obtuse totem]

how do you do that??

[charred ridge]

you just get a base and you slam it

you get something like this

and you toss it in the sanctum

thats all

[obtuse totem]

so youre also farming on a sentinel?

[charred ridge]

not necessarily

you can obtain sent/rogue helmets on an acolyte

they're just more rare

but yes farming on a rogue/sent would be preferable

either way works, pick your poison

[abstract summit]

MG beckons

[brisk elk]

@charred ridge don't you need aura of decay to stay in reaper form if you have health decay

planner doesnt have it

[grim rune]

Can’t u spam woven for sentinel/rogue gear ?

[zenith current]

am I mistaken or this is just a pure glass cannon

[charred ridge]

ye

that's just for uber

i mean maps prob dont change much

just swap to red rings

[abstract summit]

and body armor maybe

[zenith current]

need some res for sure xd

[abstract summit]

but that's kinda it

[little wigeon]

Sheeesh

[charred ridge]

@abstract summit just making sure but you did take into account the +20 mana implicit on stardials being also tripled?

on the calc?

[charred ridge]

no idea btw havent thought the details through

[abstract summit]

i did

however

maybe jsut for one ring

so sheet mana divided by 1.12, adding 64 because of the extra int and 2x40, times 1.6?

[charred ridge]

times 1.6 for the relics u mean

[abstract summit]

12% nihilis 48% axe

[charred ridge]

oh

there's the helm & body affixes that add on top of that 1.6

[abstract summit]

i feel like that's unethical 😄

[charred ridge]

it's like 20 for the helm and 30 for chest?

so 2.1?

idk if it's in the game it's in the game

[abstract summit]

can do for funziez

but we are already imemdiately phasing no? 😄

[charred ridge]

i'm all for fixing bugs but if the bugs are reported and still stay in the game for multiple seasons in a row

then it becomes a feature

cus clearly the devs dont give a damn

[brisk elk]

i mean

if theyre adding mana stacking as a mechanic to acolyte, acolute should get % mana

imo

[charred ridge]

😂 i mean it's not a bad take

[charred ridge]

ye u def dont need all that much dmg

but might as well 🤷‍♀️

it's just smth to shoot for

ppl will gear as far as they want to

[unreal hill]

I just want more mana regen because of that 50% of mana regen to armor node.

[grim rune]

I wanna see full dmg

[little wigeon]

Never go full r

Lol

[charred ridge]

btw does anyone know exactly how all the mana cost stuff is going to work for the chaos bolt procs

cus like

the way things are worded

it reads like you're not even using mana

[brisk elk]

yeah you should be full mana perma

[charred ridge]

thats kinda dumb

lol