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molten bramble
how many times are you hitting per second
abstract summit
lets say 30
molten bramble
30 hits a second then
abstract summit
ye but it's gonna be 30 nothingburgers with no flat lol
i guess i always just auto included and thought it's great damage without ever checking
molten bramble
I mean how much flat damage does 1 flay have?
each one is what 4 + 20
its like a flat dmg attack with 750 flat dmg if it hits once a second
abstract summit
well flay has 10x the effectiveness and some more multis but well
gonna run the numbers anyway but dont think it's gonna be that good for this build
molten bramble
it gets mourning frost and the two 40's on each weapon
abstract summit
this is my flay
BC would be... 30 cold + 8 necro + base 4
ye sure my T7s are the colds not the shared necros so you could get it tad higher but it's just bad
molten bramble
T7 shared necros are just going to be better
but look at it this way it has 1/10 effectiveness but does 20x the hits
abstract summit
t7 shared is... 60 necro melee and 70 necro spell for CB, T7 cold is 65 cold melee and 35 cold spell but with a 1.4x throne of ambition multi on it
part of my thought experiment was to figure out if melee or spell focus is better cause if melee then it's cold all the way...
but it's CB. so ye, TLDR shared necro is better
molten bramble
throne is over rated
suck on mapping
and probably only good for uberoth
you almost never have 20 stacks
abstract summit
i dont htink i ever needed damage for mapping 🙂
i usually plan for hardest challenge
abstract summit
meh
im happy with my 1k 😄
3-5-10k needs something unethical usually, it's not like you just need to scale harder via normal means
btw fun fact, the 3x CB damage was without spirit battery lol
molten bramble
I really think mourning frost is just out
stack mana and necro dmg
and not prio dex
1.4k mana without spirit battery
21 CB's
with a 4.2 multi
abstract summit
ye so 16 stacks of SB makes my 600 mana 1k
1M -> 2.3M CB DPS
lol
with combined harvest and flay and marrow, under the best case circumstances being around a total of 1M DPS
i have to say your approach indeed seems to be the correct one
Heavy made a cast-on spellcasting unique instead of a hybrid one lol
molten bramble
It might be
autumn bough
full tank
abstract summit
where is the tank
molten bramble
though you can get alot of chaos bolts
abstract summit
think properly optimized the CB spam can do 5-10M ish against lvl100
molten bramble
how much was VK ES doing last season
abstract summit
ehrm
autumn bough
thats very low dmg tho
abstract summit
i was counting per hit on ES, not DPS lol
autumn bough
i mean not bad but not great either
molten bramble
yeah 10m is not bad but not super
abstract summit
im talking against lvl100, i.e. 87% reduced, but ye it certainly aint umbral blades falconer
abstract summit
you get more
molten bramble
50% increase from axe
autumn bough
ah so 2.1 k mana
vivid ruin
t7 shared is... 60 necro melee and 70 necro spell for CB, T7 cold is 65 cold mel...
Is there a shared cold affix now?
molten bramble
not that I can see just necro
abstract summit
nah that's with the axe
molten bramble
tbh we are just taking it on faith that the affix is there from max roll builder
might be fake
fallen rose
Isn’t it explicitly called out in patch notes?
molten bramble
or it might be in the patch notes somewhere
abstract summit
i thought the affix is old
obtuse quest
It's called out in the patch notes yeah, we just didn't have numbers.
abstract summit
Added a new prefix for daggers, one handed axes, and two handed axes, which grants additional melee and necrotic spell damage.
vivid ruin
New
molten bramble
well atleast the numbers might be fake on maxroll who knows
abstract summit
i would assume if they could datamine the uniques they prob did the affix as well
ye that's the same
molten bramble
yeah
abstract summit
ok time to go to bed, enough math for one day
would be funny if frostbite flay ends up being the real deal lol
obtuse quest
CB can proc frostbite as well, and if you want to be really funny there's a unique spear that gives 500% frostbite chance on melee
molten bramble
cb is not melee sadly
obtuse quest
It is still extra procs for cheap, harvest procs doesn't cost mana
molten bramble
true
obtuse quest
Is there better options? Probably.
Is it a FUNNY option? Yes.
vivid ruin
would be funny if frostbite flay ends up being the real deal lol
Ima theorycraft it after this. Snowdrifts time could be now.
I saw some shiite that had 700 freeze multi earlier
abstract summit
I mean the framework is the same, mana stack, dw, giga atk speed, proc everything under the sun, 50-100 hits a second
obtuse quest
Mana stack doesn't double dip though, The spell damage boost is spell damage, not DoT.
abstract summit
Ye but 50 hits is 50 hits
obtuse quest
Yeah the hits part is very fair.
abstract summit
Like flay is a better dot applicator than fclaw imo
vivid ruin
I assume cthonic aura doesnt work on proc'd CB's?
Same for mana anacrhy?
Which should just be called manarachy imo.
visual girder
Trying to make a maxroll build but keep seeing stuff i wanna try to i get some weird abomination (No pun intended) of a build that tries to proc one thing from another without scaling
Anyways would it be better to try a flail as the main damage source build or use it to increase the dps of aura of decay though more ailment frequency
cause these things seem fun to try
obtuse quest
I assume cthonic aura doesnt work on proc'd CB's?
Not flay proced ones no.
round trail
lost gale
I'm thinking that 2x ghostmaker infernal shades are going to be absolutely goated
I wonder if 100% chance to revive skeletons can keep full unlimited duration ramped minion shades around
vivid ruin
Do we know if seed of chaos procs off proc'd cbs? Wy do none of the nodes in CB say direct cast if they req it? 😄
obtuse quest
Do we know if seed of chaos procs off proc'd cbs? Wy do none of the nodes in CB ...
Flay's cb proc isn't a CAST of chaos bolt, just a single projectile, so anything that would check for casts are automatically gnored.
Most of CHaos Bolt's nodes that procs skills check chaos bolt HITS (Including Seed of CHaos)
vivid ruin
But why would 'hits' work when proc'd but not something like mana anarchy?
Cos wording makes me expect chaos bolt hits to work from proc'd bolt.
lost gale
mana anarchy is a cast trigger isn't it?
I want to know how big bolts is going to interact with flay proc'd chaos bolts
obtuse quest
I want to know how big bolts is going to interact with flay proc'd chaos bolts
Probably jackall, acording to a dev.
obtuse quest
But why would 'hits' work when proc'd but not something like mana anarchy?
Mana anarchy might work?
lost gale
Probably jackall, acording to a dev.
RIP
obtuse quest
You'll effectively be playing 15 mana per chaos bolt projectile though.
lost gale
big bolts will have its day in the sun eventually
lost gale
You'll effectively be playing 15 mana per chaos bolt projectile though.
yeah, it's awful. I wish you could get big bolts without having to have mana anarchy
vivid ruin
Mana anarchy might work?
ye, fuk dat.
vivid ruin
yall think 50% life and ward Reaper form can be a thing?
I will use that ndoe for sure.
Worth losing life for the leech to stay up and I rthink iss skip ward; low yield compared to endurance and seal.
vivid ruin
It is low uptime. Thought you can go for close to 100% with 2x t7 cdr
But I wont, i'll play it as is as extra utility.
zenith current
so here's what I'm entertaining
vivid ruin
I'll take free ward from tree but wont focus it cos endurance rocks.
vivid ruin
so here's what I'm entertaining
pray tell.
zenith current
Flay -> Trigger Chaos Bolt -> Trigger Rip Blood
Aura of Decay Bleed, be immune to self-bleed via Exsang, stack its frequency via Flay and be immune to its effects.
vivid ruin
Flay -> Trigger Chaos Bolt -> Trigger Rip Blood
Aura of Decay Bleed, be immune t...
Bleed is your damage? All phys? Makes sense. My mate is doing that exact thing.
I'm front loading CB damage as necro.
zenith current
Bleed is your damage? All phys? Makes sense. My mate is doing that exact thing.
Yup.
vivid ruin
diff vibe, but similar.
zenith current
I'm just concerned 50% life and ward is rippy
vivid ruin
Issue is. Exsan gives ward that prevents less than half as much damage as HP under end thres. Is the ward worth it?
Vs whatever other armor.
He's using the primord amuler that turns everything into phys; tbh Null probs rocks with it.
zenith current
well, i assume that if you stack frequency of aura of decay, youll murder yourself via bleeds.
unless youre immune
vivid ruin
well, i assume that if you stack frequency of aura of decay, youll murder yourse...
Doubt it. I played poison lich a few seasons back and could do a whole echo without reaper falling off.
Leech and speed carried it.
Had better seal tho.
zenith current
you dont ramp frequency on that
The flay aura of decay frequency stacking is indefinite
vivid ruin
The reaper drain increases and I used AOD freq cos I was poiosn dot for damage, yea.
zenith current
it will hit that wall
zenith current
Was thinkin dagger actually
vivid ruin
It is good. But why do you need pen on bleed?
Dont the boots do like 150%?
or glovs, w/e
CM-> pen.
vivid ruin
I think my mate is trying traitor main hand, flaying shield offhand.
zenith current
ah, i dont use that.
zenith current
Not sure where you intend to get the crit multi from?
to that number?
you only get like 50% on tree.
vivid ruin
Dagger makes sense without salt.
vivid ruin
Not sure where you intend to get the crit multi from?
Just from imprinted affixes.
88% on wep for t7
thats 44%pen
which is, wild.
zenith current
Yea i was thinking traitors and offhand Primordial dagger.
vivid ruin
I'm sure there are other slots, but my mate theorycrafted it not me. He said he had 150% pen pretty easily.
vivid ruin
Yea i was thinking traitors and offhand Primordial dagger.
Parry is nice.
zenith current
i feel like you want at least +8 on this setup
i'm at 25 without mark on death, 30 if I wanna add Reap CD ticking
vivid ruin
Using flay to proc yea?
zenith current
Ye
vivid ruin
Cos, the reap CD isnt super important if you have 0cd flicker
I'd miss it.
Even on my necrotic flay i't at the point where i'm thinking of dropping +4 armor cos extra 4 points dont do that much.
Bleed spec may get better value though.
Are you manastacking for CB hits? I assume not, sounds like it'd take too much to do it for bleed.
zenith current
was trying to incorporate Harvest as well cause that gets +8 as well
vivid ruin
Lich is so cool this season. So many options.
I think my mate isnt using flay, just CB.
vivid ruin
Only enough to trigger chaos bolt every time.
It's 1 bolt btw, not cast chaos bolts.
zenith current
yup.
vivid ruin
1 bolt/100 mana.
zenith current
that's fine.
vivid ruin
Free hits with aoe are good.
zenith current
let's shelve that as build nr 2.
vivid ruin
Ima put together a frostbite build tonight too. Could be unreal.
Snowdrift are asking for abuse.
zenith current
whats the tech there
vivid ruin
I saw some stuff earlier with crazy freeze multi. 10% of freeze multi as pen for frostbite.
I think hitting 1.5k wouldnt be unreasonable.
zenith current
ye but wheres that from
vivid ruin
Then many procs etc
lost gale
permanence of knowledge "skill level stats from legendary affixes have 50% increased effect" spine of malatross anyone?
vivid ruin
Snowdrift boots.
vivid ruin
I cant remember where I saw the freeze multi. Might have been t8 affix.
vivid ruin
I saw it in passing and made a note to come back.
zenith current
Well you can only have one of those
vivid ruin
Might have even been one of those set or champ affixes
zenith current
lemme check
vivid ruin
t7 freeze multi is 350%
that's 35% pen.
Seems like an insane number.
and frostb has similar base to bleed. Plus you freeze shit for CC.
zenith current
You can get 1140% minion freeze rate multiplier :^)
on a chest
819% on an amulet
vivid ruin
those are sillty numbers tbh, pity about minion.
zenith current
well
visual girder
Hmmm what build should I go for next season with lich
vivid ruin
No idea if the frostbite thing will be good. but ill throw one together with 1.5k-3k freeze multi and see 😄
visual girder
Was thinking flay to boost aura of decay or frost lich
vivid ruin
Was thinking flay to boost aura of decay or frost lich
Lots of ppl like dex stacking cold. I started with it but didnt like a few things. I'm no Mana/int stacked necrotic + CB for dmg output
With flay ofc.
zenith current
permanence of knowledge "skill level stats from legendary affixes have 50% incre...
Sword Catcher is probably my favorite for that one.
zenith current
Hmmm what build should I go for next season with lich
I was just talking about bleed lich using exsang for self-bleed immunity. not sure if worth it
zenith current
Lots of ppl like dex stacking cold. I started with it but didnt like a few thing...
Dex stacking cold sounds nasty tbf
i wonder
how youd offset the res tho?
lost gale
I was just talking about bleed lich using exsang for self-bleed immunity. not su...
I wonder if that would work with Warlock's Aspect of Death with the everything becomes bleed gloves.
Maehlin's Hubris can convert self bleeds from spirit plague & immolator's oblation to self ignites, so maybe the primordial gloves can convert self-damned to self bleed
I'm not sure exactly how you'd exploit that
lost gale
yeah
zenith current
well guess I'm not running dagger then
LMAO
those are way more interesting to build around
super maehlins
Just not sure where i'd get all the chance from
lost gale
plaguebearer's staff +220% chance to poison & 2h weapon poison/ignite slams & 20% more DOT damage to plague'd enemies
vipertail belt, calamity helmet
zenith current
calamity wont work
zenith current
yea but not really practical
I think that only converts global
not sure
still wouldnt use it
lost gale
idk, infernal shade pop is a perfectly good bleed delivery system
and it's a fire skill
lost gale
I think that only converts global
i'm not so sure. Like I said maehlin's hubris converts the node which just puts 5 stacks of bleed on you when you cast spirit plague into ignites, never interacts with global chance to X affixes at all
I was trying to make that work with pyre of affliction for a big multiplier to necrotic pen for damned but it's just too clunky
lost gale
wildfire embers or bloodsplosion gloves...
zenith current
the latter
lost gale
I'm thinking I prefer wildfire embers tbh
zenith current
which ones that
lost gale
it's the amulet which makes ignites proliferate between nearby enemies every second, spawns fire wisps which have a chance to repeat your fire skills and lets you scale ignite chance off fire res
zenith current
Sounds like a forgeguard thing
lost gale
I was thinking it sounded like an infernal shades thing
zenith current
Wouldnt wisps obey your shade limit
lost gale
I'm tempted by 100% revive chance summon skeletons as a mana/ward engine
along with shades
zenith current
there's a non-zero chance they might be bait
zenith current
volatile zombies i had a lil fun idea
lost gale
hard to say
zenith current
which needs a bit of dex but
lost gale
CB detonating zombies, proccing harvest which procs zombies?
zenith current
yup.
zenith current
Can use the new axe
for that
just great harvest every now and then as a mana generator
vivid ruin
how youd offset the res tho?
With great fkn difficulty. I abandoned it in the end cos the chaos bolts conversion from the axe throws weapon damage onto it and necrotic W D is so much more potent.
lost gale
I haven't read that axe properly, does it give harvest a 5s cd or just 1 harvest /5s becomes a great harvest?
vivid ruin
CB detonating zombies, proccing harvest which procs zombies?
zombies back? after they stole our belt? sonofabitch, i'm in.
zenith current
I haven't read that axe properly, does it give harvest a 5s cd or just 1 harvest...
the latter
vivid ruin
I haven't read that axe properly, does it give harvest a 5s cd or just 1 harvest...
Only direct C also.
zenith current
yea but 30% mana per 5 seconds... do you really need more?
lost gale
direct cast spoils the CB/zombies/harvest thing I guess
gotta have harvest on your bar and run up to them to use it too
zenith current
? Don't see why it would
lost gale
though I guess the question is what you're scaling in that setup
zenith current
necrotic zombies, ofc.
lost gale
I'd probably use it to cast infernal shade on the ground or on minions via zombies
then it scales with a lot of the same things CB scales with
if you're scaling the zombies themselves then sorry but you gotta be a warlock
profane veil's zombies are just too good to pass up on
1% more damage & 1% increased area of the explosion per int and you summon 5 of them at once for almost no mana
you can oneshot stuff off screen with those zombies
zenith current
With great fkn difficulty. I abandoned it in the end cos the chaos bolts convers...
What you could do
is Reliquary Nest and stack res through idols
and stack humble and stouts
can have 4 each, that's 92% res not counting 4 1x1's
multiplied to 147%
i think that should make the offset managable
Another 24% from 1x1's, that makes for potential 185 res
jade cove
Haha no worries. But for next time: Right click a message and one of the very bottom option is "Copy Messagelink" (Not sure how its worded in english)
beskaryc linked my Message with the advanced tooltip, hopefully oyu saw that.
I designed it this way, so your have some real options and not have to dual wield it.
Even though I know what 99% of Off-hands will look like, there are still some other options if you wanna get fancy
vivid ruin
beskaryc linked my Message with the advanced tooltip, hopefully oyu saw that.
I...
Honestly, great broad item design. No complaints from me big dawg.
I was also commenting on the wording on the UI rather than the implication. Game mechanics are complicated and dual wielding is always complicated in aapgs.
vivid ruin
is Reliquary Nest and stack res through idols
I am using reliquary nest. But I wanna use All mana/HP idols like a big boy.
All mana, all chaos bolts, all the time.
That's my motto.
zenith current
I am using reliquary nest. But I wanna use All mana/HP idols like a big boy.
Yea, that's one way to do it too, though my concern with the mana stacker is capping crit
vivid ruin
Tratiro offhand solves it tbh.
zenith current
beskaryc linked my Message with the advanced tooltip, hopefully oyu saw that.
I...
people be asking about dual wielding cause we be looking for abuse cases, dont take it as people finding something wrong with the item per chance
vivid ruin
17 base crit from weps is cooked.
zenith current
Yea that was roughly where my build nr 1 was headed
vivid ruin
Main LP is necrotic XXX
lost gale
for dual wielding abuse I don't think you need to look much further than using 2 ghostmakers tbh
zenith current
Main LP is necrotic XXX
where's the flat in that setup tho
jade cove
Yea, that's one way to do it too, though my concern with the mana stacker is cap...
Depending on people will use and spec Harvest or not Harvest offers global 100% inc crit with 80% uptime when using Tithe. Even hypothetically without Traitor's Tongue you could go for crit capped on both Melee and Spell Part.
I don't wanna dictate what people should build or not, but all I am saying there are other options (that are also very synergistic) then just Traitor's Tongue. Especially for CB, since it will lack a little bit of base crit
vivid ruin
Only you have 20-30 base crit, getting cap isn;t too hard. I think CB + flay have base crit in tree too, so if they're your only damage outputs (me), you can spec base crit too.
zenith current
i see the multipliers, i just dont see the flat
vivid ruin
Depending on people will use and spec Harvest or not Harvest offers global 100% ...
But there is also traitors tongue 😄
jade cove
people be asking about dual wielding cause we be looking for abuse cases, dont t...
Haha yeah that is fair. My mindset is very different from people that literally WANT to look for the outliers. I hate outliers xD
zenith current
Look at my name
do you think
someone like me
would look for the low hanging fruit xD
jade cove
But there is also traitors tongue 😄
All I am saying is, there are other options 😛 Think of some juicy Mana/Mana Regen T8 primordial mod on a Rune Dagger 🤔
vivid ruin
i see the multipliers, i just dont see the flat
Traitors is 13 base, axe is 4. That's 22 base. Up to 8 base crit for CB in tree.
zenith current
Traitors is 13 base, axe is 4. That's 22 base. Up to 8 base crit for CB in tree.
oh i meant flat spell damage, not crit
if your idea is to go triggered chaos bolts go brrr
jade cove
Traitors is 13 base, axe is 4. That's 22 base. Up to 8 base crit for CB in tree.
negative, Destructive Intensity is only for **CASTS **of Chaos Bolt, doesn't work with Chaos Rip singular bolt triggers
vivid ruin
This is what i'm wading through.
zenith current
tithe + traitors is 23+12.5 flat
vivid ruin
negative, Destructive Intensity is only for **CASTS **of Chaos Bolt, doesn't wor...
Good call.
As you can see, in my planner, my gear isn;t insane end game. Lots of room for improvement. I leave idol slots empty to account for P rolls on the rest, annoying to change every number.
planner also doesnt factor the primordial relic in.
And, I think it's OP.
redoing my passives now too. They were cold/dex passives.
vivid ruin
Essntially weps do ~140 flat necrotic. Axe puts it onto CB.
zenith current
oh you mean youd craft flat onto them
vivid ruin
Seems like most efficient source.
Mourningfrost is similar numbers but has drawbacks.
zenith current
and I assume you craft mana as 2nd prefix
zenith current
maybe its easier you share the planner when you can xD
jade cove
I personally would not go for melee crit on traitor's tongue and get base crit in flay's skill spec tree.
Manaforged Prefix on Weapons is really good, especailly considering that there is the new Lich Threshold Passive that gives 50% of your mana reg als %inc armor
zenith current
Oh you did? i missed that
zenith current
I personally would not go for melee crit on traitor's tongue and get base crit i...
Chaos bolt needs crit too
jade cove
He put Melee Crit On traitor's I just speak of the legendary affix
vivid ruin
I personally would not go for melee crit on traitor's tongue and get base crit i...
Yea, CB is the daage output, not flay.
vivid ruin
He put Melee Crit On traitor's I just speak of the legendary affix
Gotcha.
Good point, should remove
jade cove
Yea, CB is the daage output, not flay.
Flay will do damage as well don't worry
vivid ruin
My initial build was dex/cold melee stacked.
Hencde the melee crit. But no w ive seen how strong CB is.
Melee speed might be second best tbh
jade cove
What many people havn't realized is that Deadly Plot does boost Flay's damage as well
zenith current
yea im not seeing the whole cold conversion angle without the boots
vivid ruin
Yea flay hits fine for clear. But for ST it is once/swing.
Cold has to be dex and boots imo. Or raw frostbite.
zenith current
Ya that i agree
in the long term i think just stacking 1x1's would be weirdly optimal
zenith current
always wanted to do one of those ocd idol setups xd
vivid ruin
And the mana scaling seems rly strong.
Ineterstingly is flay has too many skills. Could lose 4 from armor no worries. So armor could be anything.
Maybe Null or something.
jade cove
Btw, why have you specced Marrow Shard but not the Marrow Shard trigger in Flay?
obtuse quest
@abstract summit For when you wake up
wary panther
i myself am planning a full bleed flay, cb, rip blood with boots + aura 
vivid ruin
i myself am planning a full bleed flay, cb, rip blood with boots + aura <:heavyb...
Salt the wound baby!
Is unstable core sorc only? I cant find it in planner.
vivid ruin
Btw, why have you specced Marrow Shard but not the Marrow Shard trigger in Flay?
Swapping out
Most of my stuff is from my old cold/dex build. I was just showing my halfcooked planner to show what I was talking about.
I was thinkoing shards before I realised it was dog water.
Skills aod, flay, seal, reaper, CB
I think
jade cove
Putting aside the fact that you said your setup isn't completely optimised yet, still its soooo much different from what I thought of/planned with. It just so funny to see all the variations people come up with
vivid ruin
Unless something else stands out to replcae seal with no cdr
vivid ruin
Putting aside the fact that you said your setup isn't completely optimised yet, ...
This game is the best aarp for that imo.
So much customisation.
zenith current
if im gonna do bleed ill do it around the gloves, i dont like rigid itemization like flays, valdyrs, blood of the exile and what not.
vivid ruin
aod is in phys spec to proc bleed for CB damage node + defensive stats.
wary panther
btw, with corrupted form + accursed feat, does your leech stacks never get removed or do they get removed at 66% of the new hp value since hp capped at 50%?
jade cove
btw, with corrupted form + accursed feat, does your leech stacks never get remov...
they never get removed, but keep in mind it also gives leech rate, so leech will run out after 1 second instead of 3 seconds, which gives you more leech/sec but makes you more vulberable if you have to dodge/run out/move, especially for non-DoT based builds
obtuse quest
Is unstable core sorc only? I cant find it in planner.
Mage only yeah
zenith current
I agree haha.
I'm not convinced in death seal being any good
jade cove
I'm not convinced in death seal being any good
Death Seal is absolutely busted as a defensive mechanic, but that's about it, unless you really spec into it and want to do damge with Wave of Death, but that needs to be build around.
Overall they 100% achieve what they wanted to achieve, you only take Death Seal if you need defense
wary panther
ye, but with scornful blood, doesnt that just make the dmg go faster too 🤔
obtuse quest
But it's a REALLY good amount of defense
zenith current
Death Seal is absolutely busted as a defensive mechanic, but that's about it, un...
i just see it as flameward now
obtuse quest
It's hard to not think about it all the time
jade cove
ye, but with scornful blood, doesnt that just make the dmg go faster too 🤔
Yes and no the total damage will be same same, just faster
unreal hill
Yes and no the total damage will be same same, just faster
quick update, but apparently armour stacker lich might be a viable build.
lost gale
btw, with corrupted form + accursed feat, does your leech stacks never get remov...
if you have overleech somehow (ie just corrupted form will do it) then any leech rate is a bad thing to have I think.
You want a higher leech % not a higher rate
unreal hill
just gotta figure out res, but cleaver solution and str stacking on bleed seems hella strong
vivid ruin
I'm not convinced in death seal being any good
Me either 😄
I'm sure it'll be good for 4 seconds.
lost gale
the increased cooldown has soured you all on death seal then?
vivid ruin
Beyond that, I make no promises.
I'm teating it like a get out of jail free card atm.
vivid ruin
Only cos I think harvest/shards/rip blood/curse seem like dogshit to spec.
zenith current
Flame ward moment
Like I said. Cooler Flameward
atomic quest
If I stack a bunch of minion cooldown recovery on idols + the golems tech/passive, can abomination's stomp become 0 cd? Or close to that at least? Sorry if its been asked before, couldnt find a specific answer
zenith current
Nah, it cdr doesnt work like that
vivid ruin
If I stack a bunch of minion cooldown recovery on idols + the golems tech/passiv...
I dont think anything can beocme 0 Cd cos of how it works.
obtuse quest
If I stack a bunch of minion cooldown recovery on idols + the golems tech/passiv...
It's increased CDR, it can never hit 0.
vivid ruin
But if you get CD < animation speed, it's effecti ely 0 cd.
obtuse quest
Which needs like 300%?
atomic quest
But if you get CD < animation speed, it's effecti ely 0 cd.
thats what I wanna know, is it possible?
vivid ruin
CDR is more or less like this. 1s CD, 100%cdr = 0.5 cd, 200%cdr = 0.33x, 300% 0.25s etc
obtuse quest
thats what I wanna know, is it possible?
Possible in some skills.
atomic quest
Yeah but. The abomination has that -1.5cd. I guess that's before the cdr, right?
obtuse quest
Yeah but. The abomination has that -1.5cd. I guess that's before the cdr, right?
Yeah, but that -1.5 is only once.
vivid ruin
Yeah but. The abomination has that -1.5cd. I guess that's before the cdr, right?
I think so* (I dont actually know).
jade cove
If I stack a bunch of minion cooldown recovery on idols + the golems tech/passiv...
CDR can never get you to 0. I am not a minion player, what's the cooldown on the skill and what CDR values do you get?
The formula is "Orignial Cooldown / 1 + CDR" (Example 4 second cooldown skill and 150% cdr would look like "4 / (1 + 1,5)" = 1,6 seconds
atomic quest
well its 6 sec base cd. Passive says -1.5sec. If it calcs after the cdr, should be very nice
unreal hill
CDR can never get you to 0. I am not a minion player, what's the cooldown on the...
https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/planner/6w6uw0qg
if you want to check it out. Pretty early and rough tho.
kzb, you might've been right about the health on ex. :x I'm too stubborn lol.
zenith current
thats what I wanna know, is it possible?
you get to 4.5 sec cd with the tree, so youd need 309% cdr. You can get maybe half of that
obtuse quest
well its 6 sec base cd. Passive says -1.5sec. If it calcs after the cdr, should ...
That's 4.5cd. 200% makes it 2.25
jade cove
well its 6 sec base cd. Passive says -1.5sec. If it calcs after the cdr, should ...
flat reductions always scale first, same with mana etc. So CDR will apply after the flat reduction
zenith current
to be fair if you can get 200% that'd make it perfectly operable
atomic quest
jade cove
That's 4.5cd. 200% makes it 2.25
That is incorrect, 100% CDR would do that, 200% CDR would be 1,5
atomic quest
1,5 is actually nice
forest mica
I come here to check out anyone have cooked poison abomination necromancer already
zenith current
mostly flaying discussion so far bud
jade cove
But yeah @atomic quest don't worry getting it literally towards 0. In practice even a little bit of cooldown will be barely noticeable and totally playable.
Also remember if your minions spams a skill too much it will auto attack less, in case that is relevant 😄
obtuse quest
Tbh there was some minion army discussion
atomic quest
But yeah <@274700476887334912> don't worry getting it literally towards 0. In p...
the original idea is no auto attack at all, but just started cooking 😄
zenith current
the original idea is no auto attack at all, but just started cooking 😄
i played around a 3 sec Swipe Bear, you can definitely make it work
jade cove
the original idea is no auto attack at all, but just started cooking 😄
I am sure 1 or 2 auto attacks between stomps will not break the build 😉
gaunt abyss
Hi big brain ppl, is there a lich build out already?
Wonna play lich this season, last one i did warlock
obtuse quest
Lmao pls fix where's the armour reduction
unreal hill
Hi big brain ppl, is there a lich build out already?
Wonna play lich this season...
I don't think anyone has made a full build yet, but there's a lot of cool ones in the works.
And there's a ton of different playstyles it seems
gaunt abyss
I think they made lich easier?
As you dont have to be depends on death seal, and you can use ward now?
vivid ruin
Hi big brain ppl, is there a lich build out already?
Wonna play lich this season...
We've all been crafting but our plans are like that monkey toy that bangs symbols over and over, except it's only holding 1 symbol, and the other one is up its arrse.
gaunt abyss
Teied playing lich few times, always got died very fast 
obtuse quest
I think they made lich easier?
As you dont have to be depends on death seal, and...
Still gotta use reaper tho unless low life
unreal hill
Teied playing lich few times, always got died very fast <:omegalul:5707769883278...
I'm planning on making tanky lich.
gaunt abyss
And wiarthlord is probably will be much stronger?
zenith current
Hi big brain ppl, is there a lich build out already?
Wonna play lich this season...
plenty of em
obtuse quest
And wiarthlord is probably will be much stronger?
Within neromancer? Not THAT much stronger, but army minions still won't go close to it probably
obtuse quest
Any cool ideas for witchfire or same as s2?
Same idea, slightly higher ceiling
lost gale
Same idea, slightly higher ceiling
where's the ceiling coming from? I hadn't noticed any of the items as being particularly good for witchfire and the tree changes don't seem to help either
obtuse quest
where's the ceiling coming from? I hadn't noticed any of the items as being part...
Mostly the ability to use wildfire or access to a T8
jade cove
where's the ceiling coming from? I hadn't noticed any of the items as being part...
Literally every single build that existed before 1.3 has higher ceiling just because of T8 primordials together with more affix slots on that particular item.
atomic quest
this looks interesting
Ancestal Pack stacks lasts 7 seconds and there is no maximum number of stacks
lost gale
Mostly the ability to use wildfire or access to a T8
I guess the sinathia mace T8 affix might be a substantial dps gain actually
lost gale
Ancestal Pack stacks lasts 7 seconds and there is no maximum number of stacks
there is a 1s cooldown on gaining a stack tho isn't there?
atomic quest
yeah just saw it 😭
lost gale
and unfortunately that isn't the kind of thing CDR helps with is it
T8 sinathia shield goes up to 94% skeleton revive chance which is okay I guess but the effect isn't that strong for a T8 why not just make it 100%
atomic quest
Dont think so. But still I think the item is quite good considering the rest of it, gaining ward every sec
lost gale
it might save a passive point
obtuse quest
and unfortunately that isn't the kind of thing CDR helps with is it
Yeah, item cooldowns cannot be modified by anything but itself
zenith current
i'm looking for some vit stacking angle but seems like that's only ice golems?
No real offensive vit stacking angle for acolyte that I can see?
lost gale
you mean to go with the more minion dot node per vit?
the only vit stacking thing I even know of for acolyte is the armor on dread shade, which is very good, but not an offensive tool
zenith current
yeah
there's a ton of vit stacking scalers but most of them defensive
i was wondering if there's a vit stacking angle for damage
seems like thats only dot minions
white cradle
does the bleed to ignite convert primordial affix mean we can convert aura of decay bleed into ignite, or am I just silly
obtuse quest
does the bleed to ignite convert primordial affix mean we can convert aura of de...
The nature of AoD having to convert it into chance per second probably means it doesn’t work
(Also you’ll self ignite instead with 0 things to mitigate it)
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unreal hill
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white cradle
hello cat
subtle ridge
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zenith current
https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/planner/cn6k50qw
btw, not entertaining rip bloods? Seems like a better angle than marrow shards or death seal, no?
gloomy crystal
btw, not entertaining rip bloods? Seems like a better angle than marrow shards o...
idk what to say about that build it's using marrow shards but not the flay node that triggers marrow shards
zenith current
idk what to say about that build it's using marrow shards but not the flay node ...
its halfway between builds, we discussed dex stacking cold vs mana stacking necrotic
gloomy crystal
ah fair, my bad
but lich enthusiasts, i raise you this conundrum:
int stacking with aura of decay - cold res% per int point
wouldn't this be like -150% cold res?
and as far as i understand this gets converted to the chosen element
lost gale
wouldn't this be like -150% cold res?
yeah, it's very strong but you also have to itemise against it which isn't such an issue with poison damage because poison isn't very dangerous.
Same issue as mourningfrost really, you gotta get a lot of cold or phys res
dusty token
I tried that and my damage was lower. I got 530k with witchfire alone. with full curse debuffs on enemy I got more than 1m.
Changed to melee leech plus hollow and went down to 460k.
lost gale
I tried that and my damage was lower. I got 530k with witchfire alone. with full...
yeah, sorry, apparently the planner I was looking at was calculating it wrong
Misha tested it a while ago and got an answer from EHG that it not working is the intended behaviour
gloomy crystal
yeah, it's very strong but you also have to itemise against it which isn't such ...
tbh i'd entertain the thought of a flay cb aura of decay build but i keep thinking about flay cb harvest 🙁
dusty token
I heard about months ago. did some try now and didn't get it., maybe doing something wrong, missing smt
lost gale
flay CB is going to be tough on mana I think
gloomy crystal
most likely
dusty token
flay CB is going to be tough on mana I think
1k mana is the goal at least
lost gale
you can get 2 mana back per hit with CB on cursed enemies actually so maybe flay CB isn't bad
I don't think that has a target cap of 1 either
it certainly heals lowlife builds a shitload too much to be comfortable & the mana is worded the same so... maybe it's fine?
gloomy crystal
you've got this now to keep you at lowlife
vivid ruin
btw, not entertaining rip bloods? Seems like a better angle than marrow shards o...
Maybe. Rip blood doesnt appear to offer much by way of single target and i aint worried about clears. But i'll look at it and bone curse again in my int spec.
Death seal is my default 5th skill atm.
lost gale
oh yeah I don't mean that you need to be lowlife for any particular effect just that the healing from chaos bolts would make the % of missing life gained as ward items less effective
the % of current life drained didn't keep up as much as you'd hope
gloomy crystal
oh yeah I don't mean that you need to be lowlife for any particular effect just ...
ah yes, that is indeed true, you can't really go all out on ward, you kinda have to play it as a hybrid life ward as far as i can see
gloomy crystal
WW ring?
lost gale
font of the erased
assuming you're missing mana it can get you to exactly the 50% max hp cap of ward because that's the least you'll be missing
gloomy crystal
huh, cool idea and it's also quite common
lost gale
and it's an insane amount of ward generation if you're hitting a lot, as you will be with Flay CB
you just need to be missing a good chunk of mana for it to work
gloomy crystal
tbh i like the ideas of the new lich
so many possible playstyles, don't even know what to go for
lost gale
yeah I don't see lich needing any ward generation other than that
assuming you'll have missing mana
the you always count as low life thing really doesn't seem that important. There's the 120% generic increased damage if you're LL node and not a lot else that really cares about it afaict
gloomy crystal
reaper form also has 100% inc damage at low life
and you also have the lich passive
it's like 300% inc overall
tbh i can kinda imagine a lich without specced reaper form and specced death seal
flay + cb + marrow + aura of decay + harvest / rip blood / bone curse
slim mason
is reaper form required for a bleed fllayer?
vivid ruin
is reaper form required for a bleed fllayer?
Probably not, but reaper form is pretty insane. Speed buffs, defensive layers, looks cool etc
left whale
Hmmmmmmmm
gloomy crystal
does anyone know if this is treated as a singular chaos bolt multiple times or a volley of multiple? would single big chaos bolt be a good thing for this? nvm even if that was the case it wouldn't have any additional proj unless the +4 proj applies
upper zenith
is that any good? flay frostbite build
lost gale
~~does anyone know if this is treated as a singular chaos bolt multiple times or...
big bolt apparently doesn't work for that, if you have 1000 mana it spawns 10 bolts not 1 bolt with the modifiers for a 10 bolt big bolt
zenith current
~~does anyone know if this is treated as a singular chaos bolt multiple times or...
I assume its 1 proj per 100 mana, so 10 proj per 1000 mana
gloomy crystal
gotta love it when i get 2 opposing answers in 2 seconds kekw
the wording is pretty ambigous ngl
zenith current
is that any good? flay frostbite build
If it doesn't go reaper it's ok, i think you want to keep leech in reaper form
gloomy crystal
do you plan on using harvest as a 5s cd with the new axe?
upper zenith
what axe?
gloomy crystal
ok, gotcha
upper zenith
lmao
gloomy crystal
imo if you don't use this then harvest and flay serve pretty much the same purpose and one makes the other redundant
but if you use this then harvest becomes pretty much a nuke on a cd
and if you use this then i'd also spec cb that triggers regular harvests to fully benefit from the tree by having indirect casts of harvest and direct casts of 5s cd great harvests
the issue that i'm running into is how good a lot of lich specs are, reaper form and death seal seem almost mandatory which doesn't leave a lot of wiggle room
stuck owlBOT
obtuse quest
~~does anyone know if this is treated as a singular chaos bolt multiple times or...
It's not a cast of chaos bolt
Just a single projectile
gloomy crystal
not even sure what you're trying to achieve, you pretty much run only attack stuff while using a catalyst
upper zenith
buildmaking is not my strongest point
basically I want flay frostbite dot
shakles + snowdrift
obtuse quest
basically I want flay frostbite dot
Surprised you're not using chaos bolt procs from flay to generate more frostbites, since it can be converted to cold
And typically ailment setups want as much cast speed/attack speed as possible for more hits which means more ailments, so surprised to see you using a catalyst.
gloomy crystal
yea.. so dagger off hand is huge for the +48% attack speed and +20% from dual wielding
gloomy crystal
also with flay you can trigger: cb which can be cold converted, marrow shards which can be cold converted
and i'm pretty sure you want fume weaver on the aura of decay tree (iirc -resistance% does afffect dots)
lost gale
don't think the freeze rate for flay is really doing anything at all for you
only global freeze rate scales the boots and I suspect that cold aura of decay with the -1 res per int node is actually just a better path than snowdrift maybe. Int is actually a useful stat to stack in the first place
obtuse quest
and i'm pretty sure you want fume weaver on the aura of decay tree (iirc -resist...
It does if it converts (Which we're not sure if it does)
gloomy crystal
they do convert it to cold
upper zenith
lost gale
Aura of Decay is converted to cold, inflicting frostbite instead of poison. Your chance to inflict frostbite applies to Aura of Decay at 40% effectiveness. All of its effects related to poison and poison resistance are converted to frostbite and cold resistance. Effects from Aura of Decay which granted less poison damage taken instead grant less cold damage over time taken. Swaps Aura of Decay's Poison tag for a Cold tag.
gloomy crystal
it mentions all of it's related poison and poison resistance so i'm inclined to believe it converts -poison resistance to -cold res
thick whale
Hey guys!
I'm new to acolyte; do you think it will be possible to play a summoner build able to clrear the endgame now?
lost gale
Hey guys!
I'm new to acolyte; do you think it will be possible to play a summone...
yes
it was before and abomination seems to be getting buffed.
thick whale
it was before and abomination seems to be getting buffed.
was it able to do uiber abby?
lost gale
was it able to do uiber abby?
yes
ofc abom has changed a lot so nobody quite knows what will be the best way to use abom yet
obtuse quest
was it able to do uiber abby?
Abomination and wraithlord could clear uber abby (playerskill dependant)
lost gale
but I'm very confident that it will be able to do so in 1.3
thick whale
Oki!
I'll keep an eye on maxroll for the new builds :3
lost gale
it'll probably be harder than in 1.2 because one of the big selling points of Abom in 1.2 was snapshotting everything and then putting on giga tanky gear to actually do the boss
now you'll have to actually balance your defenses with the abom's strength
upper zenith
what points im putting here? im gonna use new axe
gloomy crystal
iirc the only non snapshotty acolyte build that could decently do uberabby was stygian coals lich
lost gale
& whiplock
obtuse quest
iirc the only non snapshotty acolyte build that could decently do uberabby was s...
Wraithlord didn't need snapshotting if you were skilled enough (Only one guy did)
Whiplock didn't need snapshot as well lmao
lost gale
and idk if anyone built it on live but infernal shades necro could absolutely do it judging by the performance offline with achievable gear
gloomy crystal
well if you're skilled enough the build doesn't even matter, if you're able to play it perfectly for the next 30 mins and don't take any damage any build can do it
lost gale
and that build is tanky af
lost gale
well if you're skilled enough the build doesn't even matter, if you're able to p...
even werebear melee aftershock
upper zenith
lost gale
dino also has a global 70% less damage mod
upper zenith
@gloomy crystal what do u think
gloomy crystal
idk mate i'm kinda bad when it comes to dots, never entertained the thought
all i know is that you want to apply as many as possible and lower their resistance as much as possible
upper zenith
stuck owlBOT
gloomy crystal
you don't even use the node for flay AS with dagger
gloomy crystal
trepidation blade in flay
upper zenith
changed it
coarse dew
what are the sources of skeleton resummon? can it reach 100%?
north lance
No more 3lp wrongwrap?
pliant sable
glad that i wont ever have to see 4x 3lp bricks
also, yall. crit harvest now doable?
gloomy crystal
also, yall. crit harvest now doable?
I’d say yes, especially with traitor off hand and the new crit amulet
trail raven
I have barely played acolyte. Do you believe sacrifice can be viable as main dmg?
ashen bluff
whos got the best flicker tree
north lance
I have to accept the truth that Torment Warlock is dead; no one plays it anymore
ashen bluff
I have barely played acolyte. Do you believe sacrifice can be viable as main dmg...
there's a neat build for this
gloomy crystal
whos got the best flicker tree
Nobody, it’s all speculative atm, nobody knows how good it will be in practice
ashen bluff
I have to accept the truth that Torment Warlock is dead; no one plays it anymore...
unless I missed a major nerf torment should still scale quite free <_<
gloomy crystal
Cold flay cb harvest lich will work for sure
How good? Nobody knows
The whole mourningfrost + aura of decay package is huge for damage imo
And before dex stacking there are the new boots which give you flay and harvest damage
north lance
also, yall. crit harvest now doable?
Offhand traitor's
upper badger
did they just delete single minion necro builds? atleast removing the 100% crit from dreadshade is problematic to say the least
harsh warren
Am I reading death seal right that it'll work with perma lowlife modifiers like exsang and the base acolyte tree health lost per sec nodes? (in that it doesn't eat your ward now)
obtuse quest
did they just delete single minion necro builds? atleast removing the 100% crit ...
You now have two sources of flat crit, one in passve (5%) and dread shade gives another 5% with some multi.
obtuse quest
Am I reading death seal right that it'll work with perma lowlife modifiers like ...
Yes
upper badger
You now have two sources of flat crit, one in passve (5%) and dread shade gives ...
but the blind node makes it so you wont be able to crit cap, not even close - which means you lose 40% attack/cast speed
harsh warren
a decent panic button or boss spike though
obtuse quest
but the blind node makes it so you wont be able to crit cap, not even close - wh...
So it depends if you still want to play crit cap.
To be fair, it's the 'equalizer', but army minions will still be kinda bad comapred to solo minions
upper badger
which is sad ...
slim mason
Going bleed so I guess phys pen is a must
upper badger
i mean mass minion builds will get you to 500 corruption i guess, but still ...
slim mason
Should be interesting with bleed overload from warlock since we need it for cb
calm dome
Lich looks like they really want you to use ward but Corrupted form looks perfect for Death Seal
Wait Death Seal doesn't eat ward now?
Woah
gloomy crystal
Wait Death Seal doesn't eat ward now?
yep, but 3s uptime base
zenith current
Ya it kinda builds itself https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oy5vXrYo
stuck owlBOT
gloomy crystal
Ya it kinda builds itself https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oy5vXrYo
all that mana stacking and just 715 mana? wtf
gloomy crystal
what are we looking at in total? 1000-1200 ish?
zenith current
also acolyte has no access to % mana besides uniques
1000sh is safe bet yea
didnt put any mana on affixes
mana is nice and all but if you think about it in terms of 100 mana = 1 chaos bolt
there's diminishing returns
gloomy crystal
yea... was thinking even 300-500 might be enough for some shenanigans and stack some other offensive layers instead of mana
zenith current
for bleed I think you want less
gloomy crystal
i was looking into cold lich hybrid spell - attack with the new axe, idk if you wanna go too big into mana and might benefit more from getting some dex and mourningfrost
zenith current
you can do the same as here, except stack phys and cold res on idols instead
and run dex stacking as cold
you drop rip blood for marrow shards then
and thats it really
gloomy crystal
yup, that was the plan pretty much, but ditch rip blood for aura of decay cold conversion with - res
gloomy crystal
exsang the chest armor?
zenith current
aye
as long as youre okay running around with 50% life and ward, youre immune to your own aura of decay
no matter how much you ramp it
gloomy crystal
thing is with mourning frost, attack as spell damage and having roughly 8-10 attacks/projectiles per flay a +100 cold flat damage from mourning frost is actually 10x effective
jade cove
I am very surprised I have not seen many people even look at Manaforged Prefixes for Both Tithe an the Off-Hand they are using, especially with the new Apocrypha Threshold Passive
zenith current
focusing on defensive tools always comes a bit later
jade cove
gotta love it when i get 2 opposing answers in 2 seconds kekw
Chaos Rip does NOT CAST Chaos Bolts, it spawns an indivudal Chaos Bolt, which does use CB's tree, but ignores any Projectiles related modifiers.
zenith current
It does have chance to consume mana or chance for extra aoe though, right?
gloomy crystal
thanks, so proj stuff no no, gotcha
jade cove
focusing on defensive tools always comes a bit later
But Manaforged is mainly offensive and secondly defensive, but most importantly it scales damage and defense^^
zenith current
But Manaforged is mainly offensive and secondly defensive, but most importantly ...
The necrotic common modifier is more attractive, focusing on a rare modifier is a bit difficult.
jade cove
It does have chance to consume mana or chance for extra aoe though, right?
I am not 100% certain, Mike or Zay would need to look at that. I think it does. I never planned on using that Node really so I havn't paid grea attention to it to be honest
zenith current
as cold i think that maybe better
jade cove
The necrotic common modifier is more attractive, focusing on a rare modifier is ...
With all the tools we have nowadays, including the new Glyph of Envy and Runes of Havoc I don't think the rarity of an mod does really matter. Manaforged is not THAT rare
blazing mural
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BZNOjvjB
I have not played acolyte ever, advice on build?
stuck owlBOT
zenith current
With all the tools we have nowadays, including the new Glyph of Envy and Runes o...
They did just rework envy, did they not
or am i thinking of something else
jade cove
Yes Envy is "only" basetype reroll while upgrading the crafted affix
lost gale
mana is nice and all but if you think about it in terms of 100 mana = 1 chaos bo...
1 chaos bolt & 20% more damage
jade cove
So you can definitely make dediated ruels for Items with very good mods but bad bases. E.g. T7 Mod with 1 or 2 decent other mods and then just reroll the base a few times
zenith current
1 chaos bolt & 20% more damage
Flat is still king, on cold I can definitely see the mana affix as more useful
lemme cook up the cold variant real quick
jade cove
This is especially interesting for Experimental and Champion Affixes but also very good for hunting T7 on specific bases, because you can dump envies into every T7 you find
gloomy crystal
umm did anyone look into wrongwarp + the dex stacking dagger? isn't that like +400% spell damage?
zenith current
they did nerf wrongwarp a tiny bit
gloomy crystal
yea 3% -> 2% but gave us that dagger
plush creek
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BZNOjvjB
I have not played acolyte ever,...
how are you casting rip blood? you don't have the cb nodes for it
blazing mural
how are you casting rip blood? you don't have the cb nodes for it
thanks, forgot to reallocate
plush creek
hmm wrongwarp , the new dagger, flay spell only, chaos bolts proc ???
i don't think flay spell triggers bolts?
jade cove
No only generic %inc while transformed
zenith current
Made a quick change to cold @jade cove @lost gale https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/owb2V85B
stuck owlBOT
jade cove
Not sure if you were one of the ones I already told this, but I just want to reiterate. Tithe does only grant Added Melee Damage from your equipped weapons to CB. While Mourningfrost is a really good stacking uniques I still didn't anticipate so many people to try and go that route 😄
It will definitely work and do good damage though
gloomy crystal
Heavy, since you know the most about tithe
do you think flay cb harvest dex stacking will be viable with tithe? regular harvest casts from cb and direct cast as a nuke
zenith current
tithe and scaling the modifier uses the hybrid necrotic flat
this one just shifts the flat scaling to dex
its a tossup
I think that necrotic is a teeny bit better
mostly cause you dont have to sacrifice int
gloomy crystal
probably necrotic will be the easiest to set up as a cycle starter
and decent result
zenith current
ya, plus its a common modifier so easy t7
reaching for cold is a bit harder
All right, that was build nr 2, lemme cook up the bleed variant i wanted
gloomy crystal
theorycrafter, this might be weird but... volatile zombies? harvest spawns them, cb blows them, flay does everything
crimson wadi
Okay I have a dumb build concept that probably is terrible but
This
With this in soul feast
zenith current
theorycrafter, this might be weird but... volatile zombies? harvest spawns them,...
its doable, just expensive on mana
i would even skip flay
cause the only benefit of using flay is to scale mana multi on the triggers, zombie doesnt get that sooo
gloomy crystal
fair enough, thanks
dark inlet
with the Marked for Death node for Flay and Devour the Damned for Chaos Bolts, the Chaos Bolt procs should basically be free, right? 2 mana each, but hits from chaos bolts against cursed enemies (which Marked for Death satisfies) gain 2 mana each, so net 0 if they all hit?
gloomy crystal
in theory yes
zenith current
Okay I have a dumb build concept that probably is terrible but
dont see anything dumb about this
dark inlet
cool. *throws away Butcher's Crown*
crimson wadi
Okay so just some quick math; maxing out toxic craving gives 360% poison resistance. 60% of this is 216%, so 216% cooldown reduction
zenith current
i would just do regular int stacking with reaper
harsh warren
Okay so just some quick math; maxing out toxic craving gives 360% poison resista...
plus your other sources of poison res
gloomy crystal
wait, are you even able to get soul feast as a lich? isn't it past the 20/25 points in non chosen class?
crimson wadi
Right the 216 is just from these two nodes
dark inlet
With this in soul feast
Hah, that's pretty spicy. 360% resistance, so 216% more frequency. 1 per ~4.75s without any other resistance sources
gloomy crystal
ah yea but you can get aura of decay, gotcha
harsh warren
aura of decay is only 10 points into lich and now there's plenty of juicy options in the lich tree to splash as a warlock
harsh warren
yup
crimson wadi
I don't think 60 poison stacks is hard to acheve either
harsh warren
you're running aura of decay, everything around you is gonna be stacking up poison
plush creek
do you run wheel of torment for auto fissure?
jade cove
Heavy, since you know the most about tithe
do you think flay cb harvest dex stac...
I really can't comment on what's "viable", that term is so far strechted these days and means something entirely different for everybody.
I want to emphasize, I am personally NOT a meta player and don't care for it, BUT I except Flay in many of its forms to be very very good and strong. Viable? Probably, To which people? I don't know.
I would defintiely expect Executioner's Tithe and Flay/CB shenanigans to be at least much more popular than my First Unique and general Harvest Lich
crimson wadi
do you run wheel of torment for auto fissure?
Possibly. Fissure can covert to poison as well so it fits well
harsh warren
I'd run wheel of torment for the ease of soul feast use
plus it gives you something to clear with
crimson wadi
The alternative is that you don't use wheel and instead make fissure a traversal skill? So you use it for mobility instead
dark inlet
With this in soul feast
https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/UAzCMoNgViA could be interesting for this build. 50-75% Poison Resistance and Minions get 200% chance to poison
crimson wadi
There is a lot of sources of good poison resist
lost gale
In one of the 1.3 previews it said that there's no hit component for poison abilities, that poison is ailment & nonailment DOT only, so I'm wondering what happens when you pick up the poison conversion for Chthonic Fissure and the upfront hit on fissure creation with it?
crimson wadi
In one of the 1.3 previews it said that there's no hit component for poison abil...
It says, hit converts to necrotic
I did check this aswell as I was curious
lost gale
thanks I had no idea
crimson wadi
I will also point out one thing for lich I have seen
I don't know how much you can really push this
but
harsh warren
i don't love fissure for mobility, it sets a big damage option on a cooldown, and also sets your traversal cooldown to a huge mana cost
crimson wadi
If you can get the ruby fang aegis set all fire resistance converts to poison chance for melee attacks only
I've not figured out a method yet to make this stupid, so you guys debate, but you need a very large source of fire resistance and 2 set items, either a shield or the new omniset ring
(also the weapon set effect is really good anyway as its axes)
lost gale
If you can get the ruby fang aegis set all fire resistance converts to poison ch...
yeah I could see it with the set ring and the reforged shield for poison chaos bolts using poison overload to scale it
oh wait
melee only
lost gale
I was reading the poison chance to fire skills and ignoring what you wrote 😛
harsh warren
could juice up poison on flay but i think that's changing the gameplay tone
crimson wadi
Depends wholely on number, cause beyond like 300-500% fire resistance that is an insane amount of poison
No idea how you are going to get that much
harsh warren
plaguebearer's with a t7 chance slam can get upwards of 400% chance
but then you're not using wheel
zenith current
speaking of
lost gale
you're not using wheel with ruby fang set either
the set is a weapon & a shield and you can only replace one of them with the primordial ring
harsh warren
yea
crimson wadi
If you are dual wielding the weapon is fine, its a good suffix on axes
I would toss the shield for the ring
Or use a primordial shield with the set
lost gale
exalted primordial?
crimson wadi
Right
lost gale
block capping via glancing blow & the corsair set may be a popular usage of the primordial ring
harsh warren
can't if you want the set bonus
lost gale
idk if non rogues can actually get enough glancing blow tho
crimson wadi
It doesn't work? Big sad
harsh warren
only one primordial can be equipped at a time
lost gale
you need the primordial ring to get the set bonus with one ruby fang item
harsh warren
so then you couldn't have a primordial shield slotted up
crimson wadi
You can use a primordial exalted shield with the set bonus?
instead?
The set is only 2 items
axe and shield
no primordial ring requiored
Or am i wrong on this
harsh warren
if you craft the set shard on yeah that could work, i think
lost gale
I'm kind of surprised there's no outright way to just directly trigger harvest with flay or vice versa
I know you can go through chaos bolts
zenith current
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oy5v2Eao bleed lich, for now im assuming I won't need Exsang
stuck owlBOT
plush creek
there's the node that gives more harvest damage when the flay spell pops but I think that's it?
and only on direct use
cerulean laurel
Did are Abomination and necro are really nerfed? I just see a lot of whine about how devs killing Abom and dont make skeletons build viable
zenith current
snapshotting is dead and its safe to say whatever compensation was offered likely wont live up to what was previously possible.
calling it a nerf is overkill tho
its more like "adjusted" in poe terms 😛
cerulean laurel
snapshotting is dead and its safe to say whatever compensation was offered likel...
slightly half-herf half-rework
Understood
zenith current
yea, definitely not "dead"
cerulean laurel
Anyway i will try new abomination
atomic quest
is there any way to summon more golems without Aaron's will?
calm dome
Scornful blood that converts leech to HP drain to enemies around you, I am curious on the scaling of it. Wondering how increased damage over time and various leech rate scalings affect it
zenith current
Ya someone was talking about playing around Stomp and maxing CDR for Stomp
that looked promising
cerulean laurel
yea, definitely not "dead"
Thanks
I just really see a LOT OF complains about new necro skills and "ooooh they cant kill uber aberroth devs doing like PoE 2 we lost our game devs hate minions GGG bite EHG Krafton are bags of shits!!!"
zenith current
Scornful blood that converts leech to HP drain to enemies around you, I am curio...
good question, was going to ask on #👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs
zenith current
reddit whiners should never diminish your any joy
zenith current
is there any way to summon more golems without Aaron's will?
Only +1 on the passive skill tree
cerulean laurel
reddit whiners should never diminish your any joy
this is was on forum....
zenith current
Same same
cerulean laurel
on reddit... i dont want to come on it...
cerulean laurel
perma abom with wraiths looks like gorgeous fr
and we still have infernal shade
and goddamn scythe
wintry flame
is there any way to summon more golems without Aaron's will?
just 2 from tree
calm dome
good question, was going to ask on <#414298693257265155>
Now I'm just staring at drain life and scornful blood, hoping to manifest something
harsh warren
my mistake t8 set mods, i did not respect your game
pearl snow
Dear lord
harsh warren
that's what i'm saying
pearl snow
I assume to get that we’ll be slamming set item. Tier shuffle then hope for the 8 slam
But maces should be a lot faster to get off the ground because the new envy
harsh warren
generally how it goes, get a t7 drop on a base you want with open slot for set affix, craft once, shuffle, seal to primordial
wintry flame
gearing gonna be interesting
dark inlet
Does Seed of Chaos ("recast" Chaos Bolts) not work if the Chaos Bolts weren't "cast" to begin with?
wintry flame
have y'all seen the skills and stats for the Rift Beast you can summon https://www.lastepochtools.com/minions/time_beast_summoned
dark inlet
have y'all seen the skills and stats for the Rift Beast you can summon <:omegalu...
Added Damage Effectiveness: 1800%
👀
wintry flame
you summon Thanos to come execute your bosses lmao
https://www.lastepochtools.com/minions/giant_t__rex T-Rex is nice too probs can build around it
so people who wanted to do just T Rex seems good.
jovial lotus
wtf is THAT
past wren
It says on stats 60% less damage. Is that not something you’re also over looking ?
wintry flame
I mean doesn't matter if it's base stats are high enough and you're already building around minions
pallid plume
Okay for boom mages would you ever take the ward per death passive ?
10 passives for 13 ward when something dies. It seems very minor when late game your up to 8k+
lost gale
It says on stats 60% less damage. Is that not something you’re also over looking...
I think that's to offset the scaling that player minions get for being minions and bring it back to something like the baseline for the rift beast usually
lets them just apply a global mod to the minion version rather than rebalance all its skills I guess
glossy ridge
If I wanted to level with Harvest into Flay, mainly just to keep that melee feel going, what would be my best course of action? Is it just Spirit Plague with it?
nocturne viper
So with cold conversions for flay and aura of decay, what items are we looking at for some kinda cold based build
little wigeon
Well depends DoT or crit. Traitors tongue for crit, mourningfrost boots for some flat melee and spell hybrid stuff
short sand
Is harvest useable if you aren't applying a curse?
plain nest
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BEpXRlpQ mana stack chaos rip lich
stuck owlBOT
stuck owlBOT
short sand
Wonder if i exchange Rip Blood for a curse to increase the Harvest damage
twilit flume
unreal hill
I love thse synergies.
molten bramble
Wonder if i exchange Rip Blood for a curse to increase the Harvest damage
You are already getting a curse from flay
jade cove
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BEpXRlpQ mana stack chaos rip lich
Why Butcher's Crown and Exsanguinous though? Butcher's Crown with your setup will give you 400 Health/sec
You can also cut 5 points from Lich and get Warlock's Occultist's Mind for another 80+ free mana
unreal hill
Why Butcher's Crown and Exsanguinous though? Butcher's Crown with your setup wil...
I'm seeing a lot of people excited about your unique.
:v great job designing it.
molten bramble
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BEpXRlpQ mana stack chaos rip lich
You want to be using the +60 melee necro +40spell necro T7 affix on both weapons also you got major problems with reaper form and exsang
keen wedge
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BEpXRlpQ mana stack chaos rip lich
why exsang + reaper form?
jade cove
I'm seeing a lot of people excited about your unique.
:v great job designing it.
Thanks man, I am a bit scared it becomes too popular lol but let's see. Didn't expect to go that hard, especailly since my first Unique basically saw no mainstream use xD
keen wedge
they basically cancel each other no?
molten bramble
Yeah you are going to lose it really fast
short sand
You are already getting a curse from flay
does play have curse naturall
jade cove
they basically cancel each other no?
He gains more life than lose it, but he gains too much life, because of the Crown
So Exsanguinous has no realy use
molten bramble
does play have curse naturall
You took the talent that makes it apply the new curse that reduces cold res
keen wedge
He gains more life than lose it, but he gains too much life, because of the Crow...
yeah that means exsang is useless
short sand
You took the talent that makes it apply the new curse that reduces cold res
what should I exchange blood rip for? or do i need it to replace life loss
molten bramble
what should I exchange blood rip for? or do i need it to replace life loss
I think you mainly use rip blood spec'd for insane ward gen. With it being aoe now I imagine it giving 2-5x ward as before
unreal hill
Just realized aura of decay does 30% less poison damage by default.
- the node that adds another 20%.
There's no way they let you convert that to phys right.
hearty briar
I think it's physical damage over time not all phys damage
shadow jacinth
^
unreal hill
I think it's physical damage over time not all phys damage
Maybe, but it doesn't state that.
jade cove
Just realized aura of decay does 30% less poison damage by default.
+ the node t...
It does convert with the convert nodes but its only damage over time from the respective element
shadow jacinth
grim rune
time to hoard any unique any primordial as season starts so it will be easier to switch XD
coarse bear
hey guys, I am thinking about a poison Lich with Aura of Decay and Flay, how terrible is it going to be? 😅
obtuse quest
hey guys, I am thinking about a poison Lich with Aura of Decay and Flay, how ter...
Probably okay as long as you take poison overload and apply enough poison stacks
coarse bear
yeah going a bit into warlock for that is a nobrainer for sure
also I am wondering about this, if I read it right, if I have say 3k max hp, I can have up to 1.5k hp and 1.5k ward?
wild depot
with 4,1k life your ward limit would be at around 10k and with lowlife + high life acolyte setup you could just passively sit at that amount of ward hmm
but that would mean no prolif sadge
for torment wlock maybe fine
obtuse quest
also I am wondering about this, if I read it right, if I have say 3k max hp, I c...
Yes, instead of 3k hp and infinite ward
obtuse quest
with 4,1k life your ward limit would be at around 10k and with lowlife + high li...
This assumes the ward limit stacks. We're not sure the interaction yet between this and corruption form. If you use it by itself it's okay until you can get super ward gen and retention.
coarse bear
thats what I thought, it sounds like an interesting idea but... the numbers dont really look that appealing lol, what do I even really get for being low life? a bit of increased damage from passives?
obtuse quest
thats what I thought, it sounds like an interesting idea but... the numbers dont...
Death seal's damage boost, and some small other nodes.
dense crescent
does accursed feast stop above or below 66 percent health
obtuse quest
The leech node? Stops leech once you hit 66% health.
molten bramble
Anyone know if soul barrier acts like reactive ward and will just constantly proc below 50%
dense crescent
The leech node? Stops leech once you hit 66% health.
yes so above 66 percent no more leech.
plain nest
@molten bramble @keen wedge whats wrong with exsang + reaper? i just figured i should go LL build
obtuse quest
Anyone know if soul barrier acts like reactive ward and will just constantly pro...
"When a hit taken leaves you below half health,..."
molten bramble
<@441290913915076618> <@121640774461947906> whats wrong with exsang + reaper? i ...
reaper form your life decays slowly basically you lose reaper form if you sit at low life
obtuse quest
<@441290913915076618> <@121640774461947906> whats wrong with exsang + reaper? i ...
Reaper form drops the moment you hit 0 health, doesn't matter your ward count.
dense crescent
yes so above 66 percent no more leech.
is this right?
hidden sable
stuck owlBOT
obtuse quest
is this right?
Yes.
molten bramble
"When a hit taken leaves you below half health,..."
does % life loss nodes proc it?
keen wedge
<@441290913915076618> <@121640774461947906> whats wrong with exsang + reaper? i ...
reaper form shuts down when your life reach 0, and exsang does exactly that
obtuse quest
does % life loss nodes proc it?
No, since it needs a hit.
In other hand: Revenant node says "When damage leaves.." which life drain CAN proc.
plain nest
reaper form your life decays slowly basically you lose reaper form if you sit at...
doesn't leech make it fine though?
shadow jacinth
More specifically, reaper form both turns off your life regen and introduces added degen, so you are now taking all of that plus the exsang degen which means you will very quickly leave reaper form without some form of other health recovery
keen wedge
doesn't leech make it fine though?
than your exsang becomes useless, becuase it wants your life to be as low as possible
shadow jacinth
Not to mention all of the other degen we now have access to
obtuse quest
doesn't leech make it fine though?
If you leech, then exsang becomes bad since you'll have less missing health to gain ward from.
abstract summit
Not useless, just reaper form is not autó include in all builds
plain nest
than your exsang becomes useless, becuase it wants your life to be as low as pos...
well death seal makes me at 33% so idk
what should i use instead of exsang?
molten bramble
pale ox is kinda op
obtuse quest
well death seal makes me at 33% so idk
Death seal only lasts 3 seconds. with a 12 second cooldown.
abstract summit
With reaper form, something DR-y. Pale ox, titan heart, null portent
shadow jacinth
Is there anything else besides Exsang that interacts with being at low health well?
obtuse quest
I think a primodial unique does, otherwise it's all nodes.
abstract summit
Shroud, last step of the living, gloves experimental affix, new primordial chest, many passives
plain nest
Death seal only lasts 3 seconds. with a 12 second cooldown.
oh i didn't get the memo that death seal up-time got so gutted
that makes sense now
dark inlet
I wish Acolyte had the threshold bonus of the Sorc's Wisdom passive (mana regen per max mana) lol. Would solve so many of my theorycrafting problems right now
obtuse quest
They don't want you to get it easily since we have int to max mana already
shadow jacinth
Shroud, last step of the living, gloves experimental affix, new primordial chest...
Sorry, I should have specified better, I was thinking about the node that makes it so we are always on low health and wondering what synergizes with that
obtuse quest
Sorry, I should have specified better, I was thinking about the node that makes ...
The obvious one is the spell damage tripled while low life lich node at column 1
dark inlet
They don't want you to get it easily since we have int to max mana already
I know 😞
molten bramble
basically lich can either go ward stack low hp (no reaper form), go life stack cap ward/hp and get low life from passive with reaper form, or go hybrid ward hp with no ward cap use rip blood and other node for ward gen but give up low life bonuses.
plain nest
@obtuse quest i think its 3s/10s duration/cooldown 4s/10s with the extra duration node but yea uptime is way worse from last patch
obtuse quest
<@133488669435625473> i think its 3s/10s duration/cooldown 4s/10s with the extra...
Yup
ANd cooldown doesn't count down until it's down.
So 3 up time 10 downtime.
plain nest
ah