💀┃acolyte

[abstract summit]

Stop making sense, we are in hype mode

[lost gale]

it might be like one chaos bolt replaces the on-kill blood explosion

[abstract summit]

Uncapped 100% proc rate of the melee hit, trust

[lost gale]

yeah not even on melee use, uncapped target limit 100% on hit chance to do a full cast of chaos bolts for free

[obtuse quest]

Costs 150% of the normal mana cost

[abstract summit]

Tbh I would take that cb aint that expensive

[lost gale]

go deep into all the +mana cost stuff in CB because I 100% guarantee Flay is going to cast is 10x per second for free

[obtuse quest]

My man has not played CB spam via fissure where it murders your mana like it's drinking water

[lost gale]

I think you can even make the recast on target >5m away on cursed hit nuke your mana if you use a T7 more chaos bolts affix and some cast speed

I've seen builds that can fill the screen with CB using that

[abstract summit]

I mean ye but new unique axe hello? 😄

[obtuse quest]

Oh you know what that's fair it does indeed help you regen mana

5 sec cooldown sure but it helps.

[abstract summit]

My only problem with cb is the memory leaks

[lost gale]

CB has memory leak issues?

[abstract summit]

Havent played in 1.2 so grain of salt but it kept tanking my (and many others) fps over time, even though it was "fixed" multiple times

[obtuse quest]

1.2 didn't have that problem iirc

[abstract summit]

Maybe just nobody played it with the cold animation kek
But good to hear

[hearty briar]

I'm doubtful CB can be sustained even with the new axe tbh, when I tried to spam the skill before it was basically impossible

[abstract summit]

Real talk for a sec, the proc gonna be either capped or super low conditional proc chance like every procs in recent memory, so wouldnt worry too much

[obtuse quest]

Fissure is technically recent and doesn't have a cap-

So far, recasts that don't cost have a cap, while recasts that have a cost, doesn't have a cap.

[calm dome]

My infinite bleed stack aura of decay is already dead. They replaced the node with +5% self-poison frequency per second to the cold convert.

[arctic grotto]

Now that Dread Shade no longer expires, there is no need to get the Lone Watcher node. I can buff as much minions as I want with Dread Shade as long as its not on cooldown. However I need to buff as much minions as I can with Infernal Shade also in order for those with Dread Shade buff to hit harder. This set combo gives me a total of 10 shades active which is nice but maybe limited and capped by how many minions I have in my army.

[obtuse quest]

Lone watcher also swaps drain to inc damage, so your minions will need leech/regen

(Also this is just the funny 5 infernal 5 dread setup.)

Which is normally meant for one minion group like 5 mages so you can super buff all 5 and take all for one for another 40% mod

[arctic grotto]

I use the Everlasting Poison node to get rid of the dread shade drain but eventually it will kill the selected unit which is Abom when the poison stacks are too high. The extra damage for abom and wraiths after that node is really sweet tho.

[arctic grotto]

Im trying to imagine the power of abom and that dino from the relic all buff up with dread and infernal shade, cant wait lol

Always nice to have bosses as your minions 😂

[supple shore]

What should I go for, Dino Primalist or dual wield Acolyte

choices

[slim mason]

both

;p;

[supple shore]

Well, the tyrant skull is a relic right? if its not class locked i guess you could go necro dino build

Would be cool if it had a skin for when its summoned by a necro, and turn into a bone version instead

[slim mason]

Sigh it's gonna be wandering spirits and skells until we get lich

[obtuse quest]

You can yeah

It's not class locked

[supple shore]

Well, time to be an acolyte with an emotional support tyranosaurus

[arctic grotto]

You can use it as a relic shard as well but you dont get the 1% cold pen per int which is big if you have high int, the relic is more effective in boosting damage with more infernal shades on minions active, the ideal max damage potential would be 9 infernal shades active and 1 dread shade. That would be 9x13 cold atk which is equal to 117 base atk which is massive.

[supple shore]

I need to figure out how that whole shard thing works

[arctic grotto]

You can get it from a specific Woven echo, sacrifice the relic items to get it shards and you can place those shards in non uni items. You get the set bonus active but you only get a few unique stat boost from the set item by using the shard.

[mighty tundra]

God damn it I was set on bleed multistrike Paladin and now bleed lich looks more fun

Guess I'll have to wait for the patch notes still

[supple shore]

Now the question, will my build this season have more or less button presses than last one, (its probably more, since last season i was just holding right click)

[arctic grotto]

I pick necro coz its my kind of lazy, summon units then buff em, waddle about then boom. Mission complete.

[severe bane]

i have a feeling there's gonna be lots of acolytes this season

[supple shore]

I mean, we dont know the changes to the other classes yet right?

[severe bane]

No, this is true!

[mighty tundra]

i mean if flay procs chaos bolts and rip blood well and there's a way to regen mana then I'm all for it

I'm hopeful flay gets a similar chaos bolt node to cthonic fissure or smth

[lost gale]

CB on cursed enemies regaining mana is really not too bad for mana management if you're getting some discount on CB

[mighty tundra]

yeah it's not too bad, flay is a 10 mana cost skill but I imagine there'll be some ways of reducing that also

[dreamy elm]

I kinda wane roll Lich next season but is it wroth it? In your opinion?

[graceful tendon]

I'm thinking, a Flay build... I guess screw Reaper Form, right?

[obtuse quest]

And lose out on double health, some damage increases and a second traversal?

[mighty tundra]

I don't think you wanna miss out on some of the stuff Reaper Form can give

[graceful tendon]

But I'm thinking, in order to spam Flay, I'll need to remain in human form, no? I've never done a proper Lich Build, so I totally could be talking nonsense, so please correct me if it is the case

[mighty tundra]

I don't think Flay is removed in reaper form

it's not like a Primalist transformation iirc

I played Lich back at lauch so i might be wrong but I do remember using acolyte skills in reaper form

[graceful tendon]

Yea, I'm comparing with Druid stuff, that's one mastery I did a complete build around

If we keep use of the skills as Reaper, then it'll be alright

[mighty tundra]

there's a whole lot of benefits to using the form. The only thing I don't like is the Reaper form model but that's a me thing

[obtuse quest]

Reaper form is a non standard transform, it only replaces itself on the skill bar (for a bad damage skill but can be used as a gapcloser.)

[graceful tendon]

I guess I'll be reaping then

and converting to cold

[obtuse quest]

There’s close to zero reason to not use reaper form in lich, unless you don’t like leeching/ are playing low life

[mighty tundra]

it's gonna be a lot easier to be classed at low life too now with some of the new passives

[patent drift]

the solution straight from the developers: use a specific unique to regen 22% of your mana every 5 seconds, or something

[patent drift]

no it's intended to progressively degrade your FPS until you are running at 2

well, at lest it must be intended judging by how they can't be bothered to fix it for how many years now

[lost gale]

I can't say i've noticed that issue with CB and my laptop is terrible. I have to run LE on all lowest settings and even then I get some FPS issues

[obtuse quest]

There isn’t that much generic low life support that is boosted by that node tbh, it’s a very specific node

[patent drift]

do we already know how much they are gonna butcher the reaper form?

[obtuse quest]

No. Zero info if there’s any changes.

[patent drift]

I hope they retire it as a universal damage steroid, refactor it into a more tangible melee build or something

[obtuse quest]

Making it a melee buff button would be better yeah, but there’s no way they turn it into a full transform

[patent drift]

I've heard some very secret rumors about them nerfing death seal into the ground, which admittedly it deserves to be unless they want the class to be permanently locked into it + reaper form in all builds

so maybe if they made the form lean towards melee and seal towards caster builds it could be at least a potential solution

[obtuse quest]

Would actually be a decent change tbh, so you still got the stupid idea of buff management but only can realistically pick one

[harsh warren]

maintain both buffs every X seconds made me dislike both abilities there

[patent drift]

it's not just the maintenance gameplay, it's that there was no real reason not to pick both of those skills in most builds

[obtuse quest]

Ehhh Reaper form should always be up unless you made a mistake, so it’s mostly just keep leeching to hold it up, reaper form is the easy busy here

[patent drift]

and I mean this is a generic problem with most classes in LE but it was particularly bad on lich

[mighty tundra]

Yeah it is, but depending on what they're doing with the passive tree you might still have access to 100% increased damage from reaper form and 120% from dance with death. Plus it enables overleech with accursed feast

I'd expect them to do more with low life since that's the direction they're going but who knows

220% increased is something at least

[obtuse quest]

Getting double health and then cutting it back to effectively one health bar without a major boost will most likely not be worth it

Since being low in reaper form but still having your default bar be full still counts as low life until reaper from drops

[mighty tundra]

Won't you have issues with leech keeping you above low life while in Reaper form?

[obtuse quest]

You’ll have to play smart basically.

Unless the boosts are very significant, reaper form setups won’t use that node most likely

[mighty tundra]

You'd be able to use lost life gained as ward while capped at 50% too

[obtuse quest]

But that means you’ll have to build actual ward gen.

Which mostly is in warlock

Exsang is… debatable since you’ll have way too much ward gen at the cost of turning into wet tissue paper the moment form drops

[mighty tundra]

I don't think that'll be too difficult since you gain necrotic res from int by being in reaper form and wearing a boneclamor barbute. The warlock regen node isn't late in the Warlock tree and you'll likely stack int anyway

If you have a t7 life to ward and an exsang equipped, at 2150 life after capping at 50% that's like 860 ward a second

unless i'm calculating it wrong

[obtuse quest]

But at the cap of only having 1k ward max

So you’re overgenerating ward

You’re effective ehp is lower for one shots

[mighty tundra]

wouldn't it be capped at 2150 in that case? 50% of 4300

[obtuse quest]

Oh you assume 2.1 max hp after the node,

[mighty tundra]

ye

[obtuse quest]

Then yeah that’s 2.1

[mighty tundra]

sorry for being unclear

[obtuse quest]

The ehp comment still matters tho, you’ll have less ehp against one shots compared to normal setups

But better ehp against everything else since you have ward regen and leech

[mighty tundra]

of course

Kinda need to see what they do with the tree at this point

maybe with the more life multiplier you can get a really high max life pool

[obtuse quest]

Yup, too early to determine if that node will be universal or niche

Just like hollow lich

[mighty tundra]

it's exciting at least, sounds like a fun idea

[obtuse quest]

Yeah it’s at least intresting

[mighty tundra]

I'm pretty hopeful after the Paladin and Void Knight reworks

those two masteries turned out really good

[jade cove]

Sounds like a decent play, but remember my Unique specifically only gives flat damage to chaos bolt from equipped weapons, not passives or uniques affixes like Mourningfrost's Dex Stacking

Yes what you posted after this tells us that Flay can trigger Rip Blood and Chaos Bolts inherently.

This includes skills which have their own skill tree, such as Rip Blood, and Chaos Bolts so long as they are triggered by Flay’s Tree.

Deadly Plot also specifies that only skills directly triggered through Flay's Skill Spec Tree will get the bonuses, so there are definitely nodes that do the heavy lifting for the triggers, unfortunately they are not revealed yet, hopefully the patch notes do reveal them.

[mighty tundra]

it's a pretty neat unique. I wonder how many seasons until we see uniques built around life stacking

[obtuse quest]

If you want to be literal, exsang is a life stacking unqiue-

[mighty tundra]

Yeah technically, I'm more thinking about stacking to scale damage. Something like Relic of the Pact from poe

but probably not as nuts as crazy as that can be lol

[obtuse quest]

Oh yeah that’s pretty specific-

[fluid thunder]

With Rip Blood being reworked and Blood Catalyst most likely going away (or either way just not working the same anymore), I'd like to try to finally make a viable Blood Catalyst build. For those not obsessed with this, Blood Catalyst is the automatic recast on kill node. What I want is obviously to one-shot enemies with Rip Blood, a difficult task indeed. There are a lot of potent increased damage to rip blood affixes, and a lich gets some heavy increases to necrotic damage, which Rip Blood can easily be converted to. With 100% crit chance and just shy of 600% multi, I calculate I could get about 36k damage.

Rip Blood can trigger blood splatters, but I think kills with blood splatter won't count as rip blood kills. Same for dots and also, I believe, Bone Curse. I could be wrong about this, I did some testing a while ago but the results were pretty hard to judge. I think either way having to apply Bone Curse would slow the build down something fierce. I want the build to work like when you cast rip blood on crates - instant rippling recasts. Does anyone have more information on this? Or any tips to increase damage further, such as unique items?

[obtuse quest]

Correct, only rip blood's original hit would count for that node.
I'm not even sure if killing crates counts as kills.
Unless you can make rip blood have even more damage multipliers, I don't think you can go any harder than having crit cap, as high of a crit multi as you can, and anything that would add pen.

You would also have to deal with the fact that Catalysts recasts costs mana as usual, although I don't think that'll matter too much if you can't one shot with it anyway with the current power we have.

[patent drift]

I'm pretty sure that ailments applied by the initial hit would also count but ailment rip blood build, that's a no from me dog

[fluid thunder]

They don't. And yeah, that'd slow it down by a lot.

[fluid thunder]

Rip blood only costs 3 mana without the splashes, so any wand or the skill tree itself would make that free. Pen is pretty easy to come across, you can get something like +50% more damage from stacking minions (Maybe that node should have been a bit stronger... Prioritise nothing but amount of minions and for the low cost of the rest of your build you get the same damage boost as practically any other more damage node).
Killing crates does count as kills. You've never tried it? Any Blood Catalyst build will eventually accidentally target a crate when there's no enemies around and be met with a massive explosion of wood across their screen.

Issue with this build is that it's either probably the highest clearspeed you could possibly attain in this game, or it's about as slow as you can go, depending on if you deal 1 damage too little or not. That makes EHG want to be very careful to keep the skill as weak as possible, so that it doesn't become the only viable meta. I just wish you could sacrifice everything else in your build to get it to work.

Give me a unique that allows double-crits, let me stack as much crit and flat crit as is possible, reach 200% crit chance. Let me convert some stat into huge necrotic damage at the cost of my resistances (not just the cold boots) or something like that. Give me %more damage on full-health enemies, give me more kill threshold (but make it expensive).

[obtuse quest]

Yeah I don't know honestly, never tried the node because corruption makes it clear that it's really hard or near impossible to do it, even Meteor gets this problem once you hit high enough.

Rip blood at it's core it's built as a spam spell.

[fluid thunder]

I honestly don't particularly want it to be good, I just want it to work at all. Of course you can go to a lvl 1 zone and pwn, but like let me do low corruption empowered, or even normal monos.

[obtuse quest]

Oh right, is your 36k damage calculated by testing on a dummy, or pure numbers?

[fluid thunder]

pure numbers

[obtuse quest]

...

Oh.

Lv 100 area mobs have a generic 90% DR that every damage has to go through, so you'll be hitting for 3.6k per cast in base empowered. That's barely enough to kill the weaker trash mobs.

[fluid thunder]

Hm. I was gonna ask if pen factors into that, but I've already accounted for pen anyway...

[plush hemlock]

what do we be thinking about dual wielding lich?

im not sure whether i like it or not, since im a coal enjoyer

[wintry flame]

Dual wielding op

[obtuse quest]

Nope, it's a different layer, pen does work as usual though, but nothing stops that 90% dr

You could probably kill anything that isn't an elite at normal monoliths, but that's a really low bar nowadays

[plush hemlock]

even if its just daggers and axes?

[wintry flame]

Daggers are busted

[plush hemlock]

the only thing with daggers i ever played is bleed/poison conversion frostbite swarmblade

while that felt nice, there were other things that felt better

namely coal lich

[obtuse quest]

We got a off-hand dagger that effectively lets you crit cap.

[old hull]

If you don't absolutely need a catalyst or 2h weapon, dagger offhand is the thing

[plush hemlock]

mhmm, i guess lich did get flay which can be converted to poison, and there is this dagger with poison implicit i guess. that could be stronk.

[mighty tundra]

flay has int/dex as scaling so you can get +4 levels from Traitor's Tongue too

[old hull]

Daggers have very powerful options for any crit build, as well as spell DOT

[mighty tundra]

gives a bunch of + crit chance in the offhand too

[plush hemlock]

double dagger flay might just be my league starter xD

and traitors tongue aint that rare either

[obtuse quest]

That's what makes it broken, semi-common and has a insane stat.

It's the off-hand dagger to go for every crit build that would have the slot for it

[plush hemlock]

WAIT

THATS FLAT CRIT???

[mighty tundra]

yes

[plush hemlock]

DAFUQ

[mighty tundra]

lol

[plush hemlock]

i remember paying shittons of money to get a +2% flat crit chest in poe a few leagues ago. and then here we have a pretty common dagger

[obtuse quest]

Yes.

[plush hemlock]

that craft took like 10 years of my life

[obtuse quest]

Because of this, EVERY rogue crit build runs it at some point, even if temporary, because it is THAT good.

[plush hemlock]

damn

yeah, crit poison flay it is

[obtuse quest]

But poison can't crit

[plush hemlock]

the hit can tho

[obtuse quest]

It's not a poison hit, it stays as a physical hit. A poison hit does not exist.

[plush hemlock]

i am aware

but i can convert the bleed to poison

[mighty tundra]

i want to try a bleed lich and I might even have it as a mainhand just for the +4 skill points depending on what flays tree is like

[obtuse quest]

and that poison can't crit.

Crit doesn't apply to DoTs.

[plush hemlock]

taht much i know. at this point its just about me liking poison more than bleed

[obtuse quest]

Fair

[plush hemlock]

like as a concept

[obtuse quest]

You can probably play like dual dagger poison chance flay

[plush hemlock]

yeah, with the dagger base that has poison chance implicit

[obtuse quest]

As long as you bring poison overload from warlock over it'll probably work given enough attack speed.

[plush hemlock]

forgot the name of it

Chitin Dagger

something along these lines x2 i guess

[obtuse quest]

Weird to put increased crit strike there instead of just slapping in increased poison damage tbh

[plush hemlock]

thats what i thought just now too xD

or attack speed

[old hull]

Yeh this is what I was about to say

[plush hemlock]

gamble for sealed poison damage

but reading the other notables, i am starting to think that hit based might be better

with 200% added damage effectiveness

and cold conversion for freeze locking shit

[autumn bough]

😑

me after reading aco chats

[obtuse quest]

[little wigeon]

Poison crit lmao this ain't serpent venom

[little wigeon]

And mourningfrost boots with dex stacking for more cold spell and melee dmg with cold chaos bolts 👀

[leaden warren]

?

[autumn bough]

exactly, cooked

[tender ridge]

inb4 Flay has some cracked "more crit multi and melee damage per poison stack on the target" node

[little wigeon]

Lol 😆

[obtuse quest]

You'll just run the usual and not convert and slap in poison chance lmao

[tender ridge]

we raptors now

[tender ridge]

not if it's locked behind the poison convert node :^)

[obtuse quest]

Oh then it's physical setup then- (It stays as a physical hit)

[little wigeon]

Only 1 more day for tree hopium

The what ifs can go on forever

[obtuse quest]

@old hull

I need that red ball to throw at you...

[wintry flame]

NOOOOOOOOO (jk) I have to learn the AI all over again

holy raptor

[obtuse quest]

Fire raptor LMAO

They just broke that one minion rule

[wintry flame]

I will be testing snapshotting haha 😛

[old hull]

Finally!!!

[weak inlet]

Minion update: doesn’t list anything for acolyte minions, just beastmaster. I mean I’m glad it will be changed overall but was hoping to know other stuff for necro

[rare quail]

That aggressive minion ai sounds nice

[obtuse quest]

Nah, at best this post is only giving global changes, you'll have to wait for patch notes for that

[old hull]

They gave some acolyte minion specifics yesterday

[weak inlet]

I mean it did say the notes for some beastmaster stuff, I know they posted abom but I thought they’d bring up dread shade here, not the end of the world I can wait I just was a bit confused

[weak inlet]

100%, now you don’t have to always be spamming A

As a minion build

[rare quail]

Hopefully at least lol

[old hull]

BM breaks that a lot

[weak inlet]

Last time I brought up more than one companion people hated me

[tender ridge]

i was saying yesterday that I hope they have more incentives to use mroe than one companion

[wintry flame]

It's cause it's bad and we are trying to protect you @weak inlet

but who knows maybe it's better now 😮

[tender ridge]

the synergies are already there, they're just very undertuned

[obtuse quest]

True.

[tender ridge]

spriggan aura is a bunch of flat spell damage and base crit, which applies to other companions. healing aura can be boosted to crazy amounts for minions too. you're just using the companion slot AND a skill instead of having another copy of whatever minion(probably birds tbh)

[old hull]

Spriggan companion is better suited to support non-companion minions like vines or totems

There are a lot more anti-synergies to mixed companion setups than synergies

[tender ridge]

idk if I would say there's a lot of anti-synergies, but the ones that are there are big enough that the undertuned synergies can't overcome them

[earnest lichen]

I saw them mention in the post that they've solved most cases of snapshotting might actually be able to enjoy a minion build now

[pearl gulch]

Do we know the CD / uptime of Roar from the T-Rex primordial unique?

[obtuse quest]

No info

[pearl gulch]

did anyone ask Mike, or he purposely dodged the question?

[obtuse quest]

I don't think anyone asked? Not sure.

[pearl gulch]

ok, i'll do it then

[wintry flame]

you will be snapshotting still unfortunately from what I can tell hehehe

but won't be as bad

But like Abom for sure snapshotting

[earnest lichen]

[noble flame]

Really hoping the AI improvements make using Pyre Golem a little less clunky

[tender ridge]

i'm hoping the rework makes pyre golem's aura do more than tickle

[old hull]

Yeah, I mean that was always a given

[earnest lichen]

If this is true, how is abom still going to be snapshottable?

[wintry flame]

It's less about gear/nodes and more about buffs you can snapshot. They are pretty safe in their language, saying "mjaority of common snapshotting issues"

[drowsy ocean]

MINION AI LETS GO

ITS A BUFF

[wintry flame]

Like abom remembers minions used to absorb it and as long as the said minion type doesn't change in how many you can summon, then it maintains. At least that's what Mike said. so in this case you could snapshot 1 of the 5 minion types and not ever spec it/change it's maximum then maintain

[earnest lichen]

Interesting

Interesting....

[wintry flame]

I'm going based off what's said and such, so like I could be wrong, but what I'm hearing is snapshotting the most obvious ways are gone, but you will likely still snapshot. It'd be impossible to remove all instances in one go tbf, unless they rebuilt from the ground up their systems.

[drowsy ocean]

i wanna see abom skill tree because no decay

maybe more points into other nodes

[earnest lichen]

I won't be snapshotting

[wintry flame]

I think the disparity between snapshot and non-snapshot is a lot smaller now. depends on the build, but BM and potentially minions like Abom/Wraithlord and such will see larger disparities

[weak inlet]

I hate snapshotting, it’s just cheap tbh

[wintry flame]

mostly in damage, not damage and defenses like before.

[abstract summit]

On that note: it converts both implicit/adaptive and all explicit flats right?
Im assuming the explicit flat will retain its type so melee cold will become spell cold, but what type the implicit/adaptive will be converted to?

[jade cove]

Correct

Oh I missed the last part was a question: That will be treated as adaptive. So whatever conversion you have on Chaos Bolt

[abstract summit]

Reg the last part: say suppose my flay is converted to cold, my cb is fire/necro. Will the 25 damage from the implicit be added to cb as cold or split fire/necro?

[old hull]

The problem with removing it all is some things just need to snapshot stuff. Like abom wouldn't make any sense if it didn't snapshot any info about the minions you consumed to make it.

[abstract summit]

Ah ye exactly, awesome thanks!

[jade cove]

So Fire/Necrotic Baseline and Chaos Bolt has a few conversions

[jade cove]

Whatever conversion Chaos Bolt is, doesn't matter what Flay is

While there are some really really strong Unique contenders for pairing with Tithe, I really hope we will see some Rune Dagger, Scepter or Exaltded Dagger/Axes with T8 Primordial affixes, but time will tell.

[obtuse quest]

Rune dagger with a T8 sounds likely.

But most likely before that it's traitors or dragoth

[abstract summit]

Problem is the unique kinda goes for a hit build, which needs crit, but then it's reeeeeaaaally hard to beat out traitor

T7 melee crit on 1h is 6%, even if t8 doubles it's 12 so that's a wash
Then we have 4 skill levels and crit multi and atk speed on traitor, and possibly 3 more affixes slammed

[lost gale]

If you're going for a primordial exalted weapon why not a 2h for the enormous 2h T8 affix?

[jade cove]

Yeah I love hit/crit and dislike DoT (especailly ailments) for the most part.
Traitor's being the main contender is what I pretty much expected when the design was fleshed out, but hopefully we see some variations as well, lets see how many people will test out my Unique, I expect it to be much more popular than Death's Embrace, but probably not super mainstream meta as well, hard to say yet.

[jade cove]

We were talking about flat damage for Chaos Bolt from Executioner's Tithe's Unique effect, doesn't work with 2H

[abstract summit]

Getting theory crafters excited is def a good first step lol

[jade cove]

You will have to see what Primordial Uniques there are for options, but some very min-maxed T8 exalted item will be juicy for a lot of builds.

Traitor's Tongue giving 4 skill points for both Harvest and Flay is also pretty huge.
I really hope the Patch Notes will reveal all of Flay's skill tree nodes.

[pearl gulch]

@obtuse quest #👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs message
looks like the buff uptime will be 100% without issue

[tender ridge]

i mean that's literally just how abom works though. it's not really the same gear snapshotting

[abstract summit]

The alternative setup i could see with axe in OH and a t8 mana exa / double mana wand/scepter in case the mana stacking aspect starts to take over the damage calculation
But that's prob already at a high gear level -if at all- and assuming the +4 skills doesnt give you much (imma hazard a guess tho that it will lol)

[wintry flame]

It expands to more than just Abom. I just was using that as the example since it was basically confirmed.

[jade cove]

You'll have to see. I was a bit disappointed that EHG didn#t reveal any of the nodes that actually do the triggering part.

My Unique is kinda weird without the full context. I really hope the patch notes will clear that up already.

But yeah the Mana / Mana Regen Prefix for Weapons will be very good, if not T8 Primordial, at least T7 legendary slam

[abstract summit]

The full context i would have liked to see is item and lp level lol

[wintry flame]

oh now you want more info Do you have a skill or skills that you have ideas for with your unique that most haven't realized yet?

am I getting baited?

[tender ridge]

Honestly can't really think of any permanent buffs that minions get to snapshot outside of abom

Wraithlord is temporary, BM companion buffs are all temporary

[wintry flame]

Dread shade and infernal shade, and the buffs they provide can be snapshot in many ways

[wintry flame]

wraithlord isn't temporary, it's a permanent minion

[tender ridge]

the buff wraithlord gives itself is temporary

[wintry flame]

oh, yeah not talking about that

[tender ridge]

what buff are you snapshotting on summon outside of the gear?

[wintry flame]

I was snapshotting dread shade for example with Lich's scorn and abom. Throw 10 infernal shades out and place dread shade which counts all 10 shades for flat damage. Put it on an abom with low life to scale Dread shade's effect of said buffs. None of which I have to actively swap gear to snap shot and take advantage of and that's like ~300 flat dmg

[tender ridge]

I thought the lich's scorn buffs updated dynamically tbh

[wintry flame]

they do not

[tender ridge]

yeah you right

[wintry flame]

there's also many buffs and skill that work the same throughout the game. That's why I say it likely still exists.

[tender ridge]

true, but not in the toxic gameplay way that was causing the problems

things like this are actually fine imo. they're mechanically intended

[wintry flame]

yeah I said the most obvious way was the most damagign and causing way more disparity. It won't matter for most, but I think solo minions build will still gravitate towards it still

[tender ridge]

it's the gear swapping that's a) unintuitive and b) obnoxious to do

[wintry flame]

You might even still gear swap for some buffs we don't know if sustained buffs like those get updated the same

gear swap for int/vit for instance to scale cold pen or armor for dread shade then snapshot it that way.

[tender ridge]

if you mean the pen per int on lich's scorn that almost certainly doesn't snapshot anymore if stats are updating dynamically. the infernal shade boost specifically counts how many are out when you cast the dread shade

regardless, I still want to see the summon skellies tree. poison skellies was a fun time

they were just ungodly squishy even running the half summon cap node

poison dread shade + aura of decay gave them a stupid amount of damage if they could ever live long enough. I remember melting my first empowered lagon before he could phase

[sour hare]

@night nymph Very concerned with the new wording showcased for Summon Abomination. The new wording changes it from absorbing minions to specific types of minions. Will this prevent abomination from being able to benefit from other minion types? IE parasites from volatile zombies, skeletal vanguards, the minions from items like Carcinization and Tolmats? The ceiling this would put on both build diversity and damage for the Abomination would be terrible in my opinion.

[wintry flame]

correct it's at most 5 types

you can see the clarification in the bottom of the expanded tooltip

[wintry flame]

but you're assuming they made that change globally across skills, which I don't think is the case.

[sour hare]

What I am concerned with is the wording at the top that specifically states what kinds of minions can be absorbed. If that is the case you can have a max of 15 types of minions that the abom can benefit from and that is a big nerf considering his upper ceiling is 20.

[wintry flame]

the max is now 5

5 types

[tender ridge]

rogues, archers, warriors are all the same type

cryomancers, pyromancers, death knights, and mages are all the same type

[sour hare]

If that is the case it is even more egregious and I wonder how they will compensate for this

[tender ridge]

we haven't seen the whole skill tree

[wintry flame]

tf is this

[tender ridge]

really though, it's smart. it gives them very fine tuning levers by only allowing you to build a monster out of your skill minions

[tender ridge]

yo that blues only falconer build gonna be cracked :^)

[wintry flame]

toxic

[tender ridge]

what's the least valuable item slot to have a magic item for dump stats

belt?

[wintry flame]

oh forgot this with it

As a bonus part of this teaser: This item considers items with 2 or less non-sealed Affixes, regardless of the tier of that affix, as Magic rarity. So exalted items still work for it, even if it’s 2x Exalted + Sealed Exalted```

any slot lets goooo

[tender ridge]

oh shit that's actually nuts

especially since it can roll with LP

[wintry flame]

bro people that said primordials just look build defining are crazy they look like chase items AND they are build defining. I feel sorry for primordial exalteds

[tender ridge]

I still think Primordial exalts will have a place

[wintry flame]

oh for sure but I think it's like 70/30 or 80/20 primo unique vs exalt on most builds

[tender ridge]

especially in CoF where you're not always guaranteed to grind out the uniques/legendaries you actually want

[wintry flame]

they are a stepping stool until you get your unique pretty much

[tender ridge]

yeah

I was saying in one of these channels the other day that someone argued with me on reddit about legendaries vs prime exalts. Dude was talking about legendary red ring or multi-LP nihilis being basically guaranteed if you're CoF

I said "you're out of your mind"

[wintry flame]

I mean they pretty much are. you can get that in a week of playing

[twilit flume]

depends on how cheap the glyph to make a primordial exalt is.

[wintry flame]

like actual playtime is less than 36 hours

[pallid plume]

Okay I have a weird question. Do we know how the new AI effects things like spells ?

Like you have skeleton mages with Profane on protective mode will they focus on exploding skeletons near to you?

[tender ridge]

36 hours in a week is nearly afull time job

if that's your baseline your perspective is a bit skewed

[pallid plume]

Where the casual gamers at with 7 wife's, 27 kids and 9 jobs who only got 1hours per season to play

[wintry flame]

What's easy to me may not be easy to you, this is correct.

[twilit flume]

if you have say a 2h sword you can take the pen affix and turn it into 60% to 80% pen, and then put another affix in the empty affix slot

[tender ridge]

dunno, but i would imagine they focus on trying to deal damage near you so likely prioritize exploding things near you too

[twilit flume]

if its a cheap process to do, you just take any exalt weapon and basically increase dps by 30%+ for your character

[pallid plume]

Yeah just wondering you just set both to aggro mode so the skeleton run away into packs to be exploded.

[tender ridge]

that sounds like volatile zombie with extra steps

[wintry flame]

that build plays like a caster you don't care too much about minion AI

[ashen bluff]

mr hardcore over here has plenty of time to speedrun damn

[unreal hill]

are there more reveals like this?

[wintry flame]

idk I got sent it and saw it was on reddit.

[twilit flume]

item might be a little strong i think

[unreal hill]

I'm just imagining this with T7 flat damage and leech on an early game lich.
200 or so total flat. + 400% increased melee damage easily doubled with 3 magic items for 400 flat + 800% increased melee damage.

[past wren]

t8 with new rune

xdd

[unreal hill]

can only use one primal item unfortunately and the spear is a primal unique.

[past wren]

oh just got in on the convo, thought you were using no primals

[unreal hill]

nah we talkin about this

and any item with no sealed and 2 or less affixes counts as magic.
So rune of removal on exalteds is gonna be a thing.

[vapid kindle]

i can’t wait for the 500 posts about how bad rune of removal feels because people brick their own items chasing this

[unreal hill]

oh wait sealed exalted does work

[unreal hill]

On reddit they're all trashing the spear and I'm like wait isn't this super op?

[vapid kindle]

it is but everyone is gonna mald when they brick 10 champ regalias in a row

[unreal hill]

I just bricked a champ regalia.
I'm ahead of the curve woohoo

[vapid kindle]

many more to come i’m sure

[unreal hill]

wait isn't champ regalia sentinel only

[vapid kindle]

yeah it was just a good example because it’s one of the most valued bases in the game

[pallid plume]

I mean the real hard-core gamers are putting in atleast 10 muniutes per month

[tender ridge]

joke's on them, I do that already

[vapid kindle]

sometimes it’s the only option but people are gonna chase so hard for that item to their own detriment lmaoooo

[tender ridge]

yeah

people are gonna learn the hard way that you don't use rune of removals on the gear you're actually using

[vapid kindle]

especially because if it’s a 4 affix and you can’t seal you’re gonna have to do a 1/4 and then a 1/3

[unreal hill]

just like respeccing into a new build and bricking everything.
Fun times.

[tender ridge]

the best part is when you hit both removals but it eats max FP each time

which would actually work out fine for the new spear I guess lol

[unreal hill]

are there any builds that use these? I have like 3, 3LP copies of this now.

[vapid kindle]

ppl will lose their minds but actually being able to get good 2x exalted with 1 seal without bricking is beyond aspirational gear

you have to hit the 2 affixes you want AND the seal before you can even start using rune of removal if you even have fp left by that point

[little wigeon]

Make a rule for exalted with open prefix/suffix lol exalted do rarely drop with one or two affixed

Then you can judgement or havoc

[vapid kindle]

and then you have to add 3 affixes for havoc, shuffle it to the right tier, then remove 2 of those affixes without it hitting the exalt

all without running out of FP

[ashen bluff]

? not really

[little wigeon]

Lol then just redemption

[ashen bluff]

if you're on trade you just buy it, if you're on cof you can use the runes to roll it around

[tender ridge]

it's alright. I've used it as filler in the past

the less damage taken is solid

[vapid kindle]

for belt and boots ok but are you hitting the 1 affix on body armor you want on a 1 affix item with a rune of redemption in a pool of like 50 without running out of fp

[little wigeon]

Oh also don't forget you want the right base lmao

[ashen bluff]

doubled with the weaver tree you could just print t7/t6s

right tree is gonna be a tad more rough sure

[vapid kindle]

do you have a double T7 with no other affixes? double exalt your rune of removal odds are even worse

[little wigeon]

I think the spear is just meant to be a twink item. It's lvl 16 and just run blue items with the affix you need

[vapid kindle]

if you can actually get the stars to align then sure you can oneshot uberroth with cinder strike now but farming gear for this item in endgame is just not realistic

[tender ridge]

for sure, but some madman is gonna find a build to use it at endgame

I mean legendary firestarter's torch is still viable for fire dot builds at endgame

[little wigeon]

I suppose just sounds like hell to make it efficient

Very limiting too when you want to max resistances, insert def/armor, other dmgs. I guess if you want to go glass with just prefixes lol

Glass melee sounds eek

[vapid kindle]

it is lol

[little wigeon]

For campaign it's np 😊

I would love it early on flay lich. Shoot maybe could go into non empowered monos too

[vapid kindle]

it’s unfortunate that firestarter’s exists in the same slot but it’s very competitive as a levelling item, especially for your 1st or 2nd alt before you craft op twink gear

[earnest lichen]

Doing a bleed build with the rip blood changes sounds kinda neat

Might have to put it on my to-do list

[hidden sable]

its very strong

its level 16 so I assume getting decent LP isnt going to be a chore

[old hull]

It has a ton of potential, yeah

[vapid kindle]

we also don’t know how they’re handling LPL for primordials, and low level + high level is uncommon but there are examples in game like prism wraps

[earnest lichen]

Do we know yet where this new unique scythe drops from? Just a random world drop?

Looking at all the changes just makes me want to play with my new toy already

[hidden sable]

if this thing can get 2 LP without being a megagrind, getting t7 phys pen + t5 crit chance on this would be wild

[earnest lichen]

What spear is this?

Only new unique I've seen so far is the harvest scythe

[earnest lichen]

This?

Interesting

[patent drift]

proc spellblade lol

[vapid kindle]

it’s a ton of flat and gives you temporary overleech and a lot of dr for certain damage types it’s a fairly good item in a few spots

[patent drift]

you want to have at least like 150% on its last affix for it to be seriously powerful, and that implies wearing 5 shit items cause the wet dreams of people up in this chat of good multi exalt items with sealed exalt are completely outlandish

at best you can count on like, having an exalt with 1 useless affix and 1 semi-useful seal

on a bad base

within the first weeks of the patch

and even then, getting moderately above average melee damage stats with a tradeoff of 10 affix slots doesn't seem great to me

especially since half of your other slots will be uniques already, and you'll want to use the other slots to plug in the gaps in your defensives

the very slots this item wants you to sacrifice

[hidden sable]

if other new uniques arent good, this will be meta for melee

you'll be covered for ele and phys res from idols, and poison and necro basically from acolyte tree, you'd just need 1 t7 void and your basically good

[patent drift]

this looks like a sentinel item that is usable starting with like week 4 of the patch if you don't nolife the game cause that's how much it will take you to farm decent items for the build

[vapid kindle]

acolyte also doesn’t have all that great bases tbh

[hidden sable]

this is a melee item usable as soon as you get it

[patent drift]

yeah I mean we arent arguing that this is usable as a leveling item

[vapid kindle]

there’s that one helmet, the all res body armor is ok

[wintry flame]

The flat/multi alongside an affix you can slam on it makes up like most of the offensive stats a build would ever need

from gear exclusively

[vapid kindle]

it seems likely that it won’t even be obtainable until you’ve farmed a good chunk of currency

[vapid kindle]

depends on how many +levels you need, that’s a big one

[patent drift]

this surely has a high ceiling on paper but I'm not convinced that too many builds will be interested in this, and itemizing any such build is gonna be a pita that would make runemaster sound easy in comparison

[wintry flame]

Well the people it's likely OP for are capable of getting the gear I'm sure

[vapid kindle]

if you want more than +4 to a skill it becomes less and less valuable for every level you need past that

[wintry flame]

you can still get your +4 and have the offensive stats.

[vapid kindle]

yes but what if you need more than +4 is my point

[hidden sable]

I could easily go with magic helm, rings, belt, gloves, relic on acolyte

pale ox, amulet, and boots are too powerful probably

[wintry flame]

we don't know the states of items, but Idk I see it's power potential. The item looks really strong looking at the math

[vapid kindle]

i don’t think anybody is denying the potential of the item, just the opportunity cost and how realistic it is to maximize the potential

[buoyant bear]

What's the best-case scenario for the spear? Assuming max rolls and magic items in every slot... actually, I can calculate that real quick

[wintry flame]

what do you best-case it depends on build

or you mean best use case?

[buoyant bear]

Ah, just raw numbers on the thing

[wintry flame]

affixes get like x4 on the weapon with all the slots fitting the condition

[buoyant bear]

And does it include implicits

[wintry flame]

yes

[vapid kindle]

it should, but not things like base attack rate

[wintry flame]

yeah they have to be stat lines

[vapid kindle]

julra’s is (conceptually) similar in how it functions and the implicits do get tripled

[wintry flame]

just to add to this, I get it's difficult to get to the pinnacle of the items usage, but like even partially getting there is still strong. Another thing is anyone playing the game extensively sees the gear requirement less of a barrier. Currently, imo I think the players that are capable are getting a lot of power for not very much effort.

[earnest lichen]

When are we gonna get planners with updated s3 stuff so we can start playing around with builds?

[wintry flame]

like it's effort, def more than the average player, but people like Roady and those in the tournaments get 1LP red rings by day 2-3 and other items considered "rare"

[hidden sable]

I like julras the spell damage snapshots on ghostflame

[vapid kindle]

i think lining this up to actually be as op as many seem to think it is is much more difficult than it is to get 1LP red rings

[wintry flame]

Patch notes will drop tomorrow. Tool creators will get CT data, then we wait until they update everything. Could take until release tbh

[earnest lichen]

🙏

[buoyant bear]

With a 22% parry chance roll, that spear could give you 69%. Seems pretty nice.

[wintry flame]

I mean we shall see

[hidden sable]

I have a feeling that these ancient bones will be like memory amber and drop with basically all primal enemy kills, and then the bones will drop 1-5 from primal boss enoucnter

think after week 1 these currencies will be at a dont really care about them anymore levels

[vapid kindle]

getting 1x t7 1x t5 1x t3 with the correct affixes on the correct base with decent rolls and then successfully hitting a rune of removal twice is very difficult to do for one slot, much less 10

for the majority of players even hitting a leonine with the correct t7 and servicable t5s is a very difficult ask, it’s a big part of why so many es builds use seed of ekkedrasil

[wintry flame]

I get that, I just don't think it's an impossible task and the threshold at which it's powerful is achievable. I'm not talking about this item for the majority of players.

[vapid kindle]

yeah someone will use the most turbo cracked gear you’ve ever seen will oneshot uber aberroth with this item, but that is already happening without it

[hidden sable]

if you're going all in and use all your cof money collecting runes of havoc and stuff instead of collecting LP on drops, I think you will have enough currency to go wild crafting them and it wont be bad

[wintry flame]

I don't think it should happen 😛

EHG should do their best to mitigate opportunities like that even for 1% of players

Outliers have side effects, so that's mostly my issue.

[vapid kindle]

spending 100,000 favour on generic rune prophecies is an absolutely nightmarish experience i couldn’t possibly imagine using millions consecutively

[wintry flame]

even without prophecies the nemesis system helps in gear pursuits like this.

[vapid kindle]

nemesis is highly likely to give items that have 4 affixes and a high tier seal though

[wintry flame]

you use the nemesis to get the item for imprinting

[vapid kindle]

your best bet is to filter for items with open prefixes/suffixes, but then you have to either add 4 t1s, havoc, then removal twice successfully or rune of redemption gamble, which is fine on slots with small affix pools but on the slots you care most about that is considerably more difficult

[patent drift]

tbh I can kinda see this being good on sent after reading that reddit thread, you basically don't need any suffixes on your gear anyways

cuz sent lol

[wintry flame]

primalist has easy resists too

Acolyte has partial

like necro/poison and ele is usually free

[patent drift]

primalist doesn't have any good melee skills so what's the point anyways

[wintry flame]

EQ?

[patent drift]

was nerfed more or less into the ground last time I checked

[wintry flame]

Maybe idk, Upheaval could be good too on BM or Shaman

[vapid kindle]

good exalts being much harder than good uniques to obtain is part of why most builds are so unique heavy, and getting good 2 affix exalts is orders of magnitude more difficult than good 4 affix ones honestly

[patent drift]

I mean you can run the ole good eq/ts build but why would you when you can just click a button and reroll to vk

[wintry flame]

I'm sure there are best cases I'm just saying the floor is high and varied for the item at first glance and with what we know now.

[patent drift]

yea but people bring up good points that you don't even need good exalts on sent, just t7 of one key affix and two affixes of whatever's moderately relevant

[wintry flame]

that's what I've been trying to say the potential of the item doesn't need like 100% perfect gear

[vapid kindle]

well for builds like ES don’t you need like 26 points for all the mores

[patent drift]

maybe but you can just drop a couple of points I'm sure and the damage loss will be not that significant compared to gains here

[wintry flame]

you will trade 4 points for like double the flat you normally get

[patent drift]

also weavers' idols kinda inflate the stat budget of many builds

depending

[vapid kindle]

sentinel is the best use case for it due to it having the 2 best class specific bases in the game by a considerable margin but i still think it’s too difficult to line up for anyone that’s not in the 0.1%

[wintry flame]

Also the item could be giga difficult to get

[vapid kindle]

you look at any build guide and there’s ppl complaining that the gear is too hard to obtain when it’s like a week of farming

[wintry flame]

yeah I mean most people are bad at the game and don't even push corruption so

how many people killed uber? 😛

[vapid kindle]

i think it’s relatively comparable to event horizon, which was essentially used to oneshot the pinnacle boss and nothing else in 1.1

[wintry flame]

ehhh nah way more versatile and not as restricting

[vapid kindle]

i mean mapping with event horizon sucks ass but getting the gear for the meme-y horizon builds was way way easier

[earnest lichen]

It made bash hit hard but I also hit -30% ms lol

[vapid kindle]

there have been builds with giga aspirational gear trivializing the hardest content the game has for as long as this game has existed, i don’t really think this moves the needle on that front honestly

[wintry flame]

I mean there are also build that need no gear to trivialize the content of the game and this empowers those even more 😛

[vapid kindle]

it’s really cool that event horizon has a use case outside of being a meme item with the forge guard changes

[wintry flame]

if they aren't adjusted or dealt with

[earnest lichen]

For sure. My main this season was a fg shield basher who was borderline unkillable but not quite enough damage for uberroth and also slow af

[patent drift]

does judd main falconer or something? Why is it allowed to keep existing as it is?

[wintry flame]

because they don't listen to people telling them what the issue is 🙂

[vapid kindle]

keep in mind that devs have strongly hinted at nerfs to imprints and the strongest woven echoes

[patent drift]

the issue is the same this game had since day 1 and will keep having forever, nobody in the dev team has a clue about risk/reward balance

[wintry flame]

yeah I'm sepculating with info I know, that's why I am like we shall see

[vapid kindle]

if i’m wrong and getting everything to line up is as easy as many are suggesting and this is turbo broken i’ll gladly eat crow but my current read is that this will be viewed as giga op for the first few weeks of patch and then everyone will realize how much of a chore actually getting that to happen is

and then we will see like 5 people post videos of killing uberroth in 4 seconds just like last season with this item and nobody else will use it

[wintry flame]

All we can do is speculate some will be wrong, I'll always be right. Just the nature of things 😉

jk but yeah we shall see how the dust settles and tomorrow with notes will illuminate things more. it's so hard to say with certainty without the rest of the changes

[patent drift]

hard to say things with certainty before the nda is lifted you mean?

m-hm

[wintry flame]

I am a content creator under their definition. I was booted from CT along with everyone else 🙁

[patent drift]

I'm pretty sure that all the major sites like maxroll found a way to get their hands in the cookie jar

[earnest lichen]

They usually do

[wintry flame]

None that I know of. They are all in the dark. They could've got CT data today to prep tools for patch notes tomorrow, but outside of that nope.

[patent drift]

they couldn't find a guy with ct access who would sell it wholesale for $50?

damn they must have more strict screening than fbi

[vapid kindle]

probably just not worth the risk of potentially burning that bridge if it ever gets back to EHG, even if the chance of that happening is very small

[patent drift]

alright $50 and some pizza and hookers?

[old hull]

I think the risk is more for maxroll etc. lol

[wintry flame]

well... @vapid kindle @patent drift

[vapid kindle]

not only does that directly lower the power, that also makes it MUCH harder to craft

now you basically have to removal as you can't seal

[twilit flume]

makes it easier to craft

you just get a sealed t7 of either flat health or health %, then remove everything on the item and craft t5 the other health

[vapid kindle]

you can’t use rune of havoc or redemption on sealed affixes so gl with that

“just get a sealed T7 with the exact affix you want on the exact right base type on every slot”

[unreal hill]

Dont nda's usually have penalties too on breaking contract.

Also depending on the industry you work in breaking an nda can really hurt you.

[unreal hill]

Maybe im not reading this right but cant you get a good chance at getting a sealed t7 thru the weaver tree with that one node that generates loot with one of the affixes matching but sealed.

[vapid kindle]

yes, in an industry like games, maintaining good relationships is everything. sites like maxroll run the risk of compromising their relationship with ehg by doing that, which would be horrible for them in the long term. I imagine stuff has been leaked from CT to smaller people, but places like maxroll probably care a lot more about being on good terms with EHG than getting builds up a little earlier.

[old hull]

No, that thing has an abysmal chance. Most reliable way is nemesis grinding, and it's not very reliable at all.

[vapid kindle]

while this is technically true, but that imprint node is garbage and has an infintessimal chance of doing its listed function. I also believe that one doesn't influence base types.

[old hull]

Yeah, and not just with EHG. You get a reputation like that and it's likely other game companies won't trust you.

[unreal hill]

Iirc it does influence base type unless om thinking of another node cause I'd get piles of champions regalia when it triggered.

I might be thinking of one of the other nodes tho.

[old hull]

It definitely locks it to type, like you put in a chest armor and it'll only drop chest armors

I don't think it influences subtype like the other imprints do, but I don't remember 100%

[autumn bough]

are u guys excited to play minions new season and forced to use new spear xdddddd

240 flat and 80% pen from just weapon or 240 flat+75% parry

🤡

[potent fable]

But spear means no t rex

[little wigeon]

Lol I'm betting they will have it only affect base stats

[jovial lotus]

...in exchange for like 20 affixes, barred from using uniques, and inability to use other primordials

[little wigeon]

Don't worry you can dream about double T7 "magic items" with a sealed T7

[potent fable]

Hunting perfect affix on perfect bases sounds super fun tho

Isnt that why we use legendaries in the first place

[little wigeon]

Rune of removal gamble goes brrr

[wintry flame]

you get more pen and about same flat with lich's. only the parry seems interesting tbh

[obtuse quest]

Unless they code it like morons, it will affect any lp affixes on it (julra’s ring and the weaver belt does the same thing)

[potent fable]

I do like the parry idea

[wintry flame]

some minion builds will like it. idk hope necro gets free sustain and some more dr

[obtuse quest]

Now building around it is a whole totally different idea

[potent fable]

Also gonna be giga endgame to hunt for all those perfect magic bases. We dont all spawn gear in offline after all

[little wigeon]

Yes but thats the simple fix to make people stop crying about it. Then it just becomes a twink for melee leveling

[autumn bough]

it doesnt matter still better, and you can get very tanky too

too much flat dmg

trex is smoking in the backscene

[autumn bough]

not true

people are really understimating imprints, i was playing timerot block variation which had 5 exalted items in planner, i had 4 right base t7/t6 items on week 1, it wasnt right t6 in some cases but getting t7+t5+seal t2 on right base is pss easy

[obtuse quest]

It would make it inconsistent with the rules it made, so they’ll probably use a different text instead if that were to happen.

[potent fable]

Guess we'll see how planners shape up tomorrow. Maybe the other primal uniques are just as busted and this was all just a wasted thought experiment

[autumn bough]

well we saw 3 so far

besides spear and they arent as broken

if anything trex head is a meme cause spear makes it irrelivant on most minion builds lmfao

[potent fable]

Well the set ring did improve lightning blast dmg by 95% seems ok

[autumn bough]

its good not broken ye

unless they rework sets

and they said they wont

so pepeL

next patch maybe

[potent fable]

I'm pretty sure they let the spear go thru as is. They let falcon live this long what's another broken thing in the game

[vapid kindle]

given mike's comments in past streams it's fairly likely imprint farming is substantially weaker next season tbf

[autumn bough]

nah he said they arent nerfing imprints but nerfing trove echo

and they didnt say anything abt sepulche strat which is as broken as troves just people dont abuse it as much

[vapid kindle]

he didn't specify which echoes, he said "bringing down the power of stronger echoes and buffing weaker ones"

that includes lostwood folly for sure, which enables everything else

[autumn bough]

well we will see, the sepulche strat doesnt need folleys, its self sustainable and all it does is yoink rewards so u need sepulche+5 echo rewards around

[kind forge]

problem is its only 12%

well like 10 to 13% i think but ye

[arctic grotto]

U talkin about the frostbite chance? Nobody gives a damn about that. The only thing important in Lich's Scorn is the max cold damage and the cold pen. It works very well with the Wraithlord back then before the nerf.

[kind forge]

saying cold sorc minions should be doing frostbite and not chill

or both but meh

[slim mason]

But the multiplicative dmg node are direct and not minions

The more damage to cHilled /dhock

[weak inlet]

It doesn’t expire with newest update? Just does the damage over time?

[arctic grotto]

Yes

[obtuse quest]

Dread Shade not having a duration has been here for a while iirc

[weak inlet]

So health leech is the best way to deal with it then, I know lone watcher works but I like having an army of some ranged and some melee

[obtuse quest]

If it’s doing enough damage, yes.

[weak inlet]

I only know of a few perks that do add leech to minions, and they are in the specilization

[obtuse quest]

That’s the easiest source, yes.

[unreal hill]

There's a few uniques that add minion leech too iirc

[arctic grotto]

This one helps, you get a bit of hp from your melee minions as well. You can get it easy from the Abom boss from the Fall of the Outcasts timeline.

[arctic grotto]

Boss exclusive drop

[obtuse quest]

What? They’re talking about minion leeching health for minions

[unreal hill]

Minion leech is always for minions

works the same way here.

[arctic grotto]

Oh the ring only increases the speed of minions getting hp for attacking. The right one would be the River of Bones passive node, minions get some hp for their crit atks

[unreal hill]

no, it has minion leech and increased leech rate.

but it's only on melee hit for the leech.

[ashen bluff]

I need the planner update, must plan 5 variants of each build I wont play

[obtuse quest]

Note that it says health on hit instead of leeched as health, unlike reach of the grave and Lethal con (and bloodkeeper’s nest as well)

This is the one funny affix where minion leeches health for YOU and not themselves.

[unreal hill]

Im pretty sure it doesnt work that way. Also on hit is already a described term in game. It doesnt change the target.

[obtuse quest]

I implore you to test it, since every other minion leech item source clarifies that it leeches to the minion, or has weirdly specific wording.

[unreal hill]

Im asking the devs, but I'm fairly sure all sources of minion leech only leech for minions.

On hit specifies that its on hit not anything else.

[weak inlet]

Doesn’t leech just include damage over time too?

And health on hit would only be per damage instance?

[pearl scarab]

Yea

[weak inlet]

Still would heal the minions not you

Just means poison/ bleed wouldn’t be effected

[unreal hill]

Looked it up, various sources say only for the minion. Also people in chat saying it too.

[obtuse quest]

Just tested it, looks like I was wrong.

Wonder where I got that weird information then.

[patent drift]

requires heavy luck with FP RNG but sure

[patent drift]

it won't be used on minion builds, come on now

[patent drift]

you have unreasonable levels of hope in ehg design, maybe they'll nerf it in the next patch

[patent drift]

the bigger question is, what is lpl on that thing? Cause apparently the only way to get it is by griding a fair bit of new patch currency and buying from a vendor, if its lpl is high then hitting even a 1 lp copy is going to be painful

[autumn bough]

xddddd

240 flat dmg 88% pen

xdddddd

abomination doesnt snapshot anymore? oh wait it got 275% more dmg now

[patent drift]

imprints were all nerfed multiple times since then, some more than others

[autumn bough]

well i dont see how getting t7+t5+t2 would be any issue

😅

thats like trash tier gear

[patent drift]

t7+t5 but yeah, perhaps

[autumn bough]

and its better than current lp items with doublr t7

on es its 2x dmg on minions even more and on frostbite mage its like x7 dmg

alos 75% parry u wot m8

and if we get double t7 we can get 160% pen and 240 flat dmg or 480 flat for minions

compared to 110 flat before on minions xddd

[patent drift]

if we get double t7, we still don't even know what its lpl is

[autumn bough]

true, also its just 1 item

today we will have full patchnotes

[patent drift]

also of course its gonna be busted if you just imagine it having 4xt7 affixes and multiply those by 4

[patent drift]

it's obviously gonna be power creep galore, like some mage builds could double their damage just with the set ring and some talent reshuffling

[obtuse quest]

Two good T7s would do it, but it will still be seen if it's worth losing a bunch of affixes.

[patent drift]

soon they will have to do the WOW special and squish the numbers cause we're gonna be nuking mobs for trillions

[autumn bough]

i like that rm will be running with 75% parry and 2500+% frost bite chance

1 frostclaw cast=625 stacks

xdddd

same for volcanic orb

[obtuse quest]

Imagine if it has dogshit lpl, it would murder people's plans

[autumn bough]

nah even wings are obtainable with 2lp now

and they have max lpl

[patent drift]

max *so far

[autumn bough]

and 2lp is all you need

actually 1lp on mage

youll lose parry

but its w/e

[obtuse quest]

We still got a level above wings for lpl: Red Rings

And also ravenous but that thing's a piece of ass anyway rarity wise

[autumn bough]

the only reason we dont have 2lp rr is cause how rare they are, this item is obtainable deterministically

also lvl 16 its clearly was designed as lvling item

but ye we will see

[obtuse quest]

Nownow, we had funnier stuff:

Never say never

💀

[autumn bough]

it was nefed multiple times tho

wasnt it

🤔

[obtuse quest]

I'm not sure

Wait reach is lpl 70

Tf

[autumn bough]

actually no it wasnt

my prediction is that all primordials will be 80 lpl like uber items

so like 1lp ez and 2lp possible

@obtuse quest also with spear possible abuse tech by craftin melee leech and using hollow lich xdddd

[obtuse quest]

80lpl wouldn't be too surprising tbh as the base.

[autumn bough]

mega increase

[obtuse quest]

Tbf you'll PROBABLy run a primodial exalted T8 melee leech instead for that

But yeah this assumes hollow doesn't get changed-

[autumn bough]

i dont think so

didnt they spoil that t8 is 50% stronger than t7?

[patent drift]

every item is obtainable deterministically, the difference is how reasonable that is within a given time frame

[autumn bough]

on skills its +6 not +8

[patent drift]

but it was op in 2018!

[jade cove]

50-100% so its probably balanced on a case by case basis

[patent drift]

no Im pretty sure they set it at 90 from the get go as a knee jerk reaction

[autumn bough]

but regardless this season is COOKED

[patent drift]

and sustaining with potions, galactic brain play right there

[autumn bough]

i mean LL

it should be still good

🤔

[obtuse quest]

It's 50-100%, so who knows.

[autumn bough]

youll need exahng+exalt gloves

no boots

to abuse spear

[vale jacinth]

no more cooked then other things really though

[patent drift]

bro this thing is really getting out of hand these days

[obtuse quest]

I do agree that we're getting another damn power spike again

Just because T8s exist (AND AS A SEALED)

[autumn bough]

i was playing rogue and it was actually better going 1 ll item there cause of shadow ward gen

kinda funny

[jade cove]

You are talking about the teasered primordial spear right? Not sure if you are talking from a MG or CoF perspective, but for CoF the main question would be if CoF Ranks affect LP chance, because its a Vendor Item not a drop item.

[autumn bough]

cof is already stronger than mg imo, so from cof perspective

[patent drift]

I was more referring to the thinly veiled foot fe t ish that's been popping off in various games as of late but yeah

[autumn bough]

mg is a relic of the past after they added imprints

[obtuse quest]

LMAO

[autumn bough]

best farm now is group 4 man same class cof

[autumn bough]

LMFAO

my gripe with this spear is that if it works as we think it works and 2lp feasable it makes trex relic irrelivant, even tho its supposed to be BIG MINION item

[patent drift]

not that I mind it but it's weird that after 20 years of complete radio silence after From Dusk Till Dawn it's suddenly hyped up again

[autumn bough]

but spear is 300% more dmg and relic is 50-100%

[jade cove]

I think Primordial so far look like a very healthy power spike, all the uniques are worthy of "only 1 primordial item equipped" and if your build or archetype does not have a uniques that supports it you can go exalted primordial.

Its a power spike on a very controlled system that adds another branch to the gearing. Even though tis a deadend branch but thats good in this case.

[obtuse quest]

It's definitely a more merciful kind of power spike compared to... mass printing good exalteds.

[autumn bough]

while that is true, my brain says no after realizing that abomination this season is getting 75% parry at least 200% more dmg and good aoe clear

😅

and it was 30+mil dps on budget with no snapshot

[jade cove]

Yeah expected that. I am not really that much around here on the discord but I assume most discussions are always around the flavour of the meta type thing, which I don't know which faction it is 😄

But yeah for Primordials, because many of the are vendor based I guess many of the regular farming methods won't really apply. People will test and find ways to farm the primordial ressources as efficient as possible.

[autumn bough]

well pretty sure devs confirmed that cof boosts soul gambler uniques lp so i dont see why they wouldnt with the goat man

but techinically that one is a gambler

so never know

also might be bugged and itll give us reduced chance of LP

[vale jacinth]

finally u will want to gold sink in vault

[autumn bough]

nono gambler is the bastion thing, so u need embers

new woven echo is really good

peoplke didnt abuse it much yet

[vale jacinth]

ohh folly

[autumn bough]

the soulfire bastion woven echo

i forgot how its called

it has timer and u farm embers untill time out and you gamble

[vale jacinth]

ohh right

[autumn bough]

yea easy ward amulet

but its usable only on 1 build now

🤣

[patent drift]

I abused it a bunch but yeah

[slim mason]

FLLLAYER?

so exsang/last steps/experimental gloves with atk speed?

[little wigeon]

Nah harmony spear now so no uniques lmao 🤣

Also depends on changes to death seal/reaper form if ward/missing hp will work unless you just plan on not taking them

[lost gale]

harmony spear + melee leech + hollow lich looks like quite the combo but you gotta work out how you sustain EHP and that's hard to do without leech or uniques

I doubt you can manage it with just T7 experimental LL gloves

[unreal hill]

But even with just 3 magic items thats like 400 flat damage and 800% increased melee dmg if you put a t7 flat on it too.

[lost gale]

that doesn't sound like the most impressive use case for it tbh, I was thinking maybe Downfall of the righteous witchfire

hollow lich counts as curse damage for Downfall's more multi

so it's big big damage

though witchfire is always going to be weak single target

[unreal hill]

Oh fr what. I had no idea.

[lost gale]

yeah, it's awkward to take full advantage of because it's competing with chance to ignite on your weapon and that's also a huge damage affix

[obtuse quest]

It “double dips” because it’s considered all damage types, so downfall treats it as inc curse damage and converts it as well to more witchfire dmg (while keeping it working normally)

[lost gale]

but harmony with chance to ignite & melee leech probably absolutely mega for witchfire

other than curses which other niche damage categories are hard to get %increased for?

[pearl scarab]

Rebuke

Void lich?

[vapid kindle]

i’m like 99% sure we thought this was true for a long time and then a dev confirmed in ask the devs that this was not the case

[lost gale]

someone tested it last season and it worked IIRC

[unreal hill]

Ah man I loved my rebuke build.
Sad that it didnt use rebuke, but the added armor was nice.

[lost gale]

oh okay if misha tested it and says it doesn't work then that's good enough for me

[unreal hill]

Im gonna forget about this and make wild claims 6months from now about curses.

[obtuse quest]

If it was bugged then LETools didn’t update or it didn’t get fixed early on since I confirmed the damage

[lost gale]

well the other thing hollow lich is good for is poison damage for capping crit with the fissure acid skin

and you can use singularity for another 20% more damage with acid skin

[little wigeon]

Yea I ran that on tentacle fissure build

Flay actually benefitting from melee leech is nice. Would like to add crit into the mix as well if harmony can run 2LP easily

[lost gale]

so if hollow lich doesn't work then sinathia mace reforged is probably the best bet for witcchfire

[vapid kindle]

i just want bleed -> ignite with hubris to work for witchfire 😩

[tender ridge]

throwing damage

you just get flat or damage type % instead

[vapid kindle]

and this is considerably less niche than curses

is there a single unique item that has %inc throwing as a line?

[tender ridge]

i don't think so. only thing I can think of is class specific affixes

you can get more throwing damage vs burning targets with the burning daggers relic

it might just be more damage in general though

[vapid kindle]

it’s just generic more to ignited

[tender ridge]

so yeah it's probably just class affixes

it does exist but it's rare

[obtuse quest]

Bugfixed

[lost gale]

was it?

that's a shame, that's exactly the kind of cool interaction that ARPGs are built on imo

yeah your crit rate is 0% but your enemy's received crit rate is 100% so

[restive plume]

are patch notes coming out later today?

[potent fable]

1 hour

[noble arch]

yooo

Minions are getting some decent buffs

[wintry flame]

HOLY SUSTAAIN

[abstract summit]

New envy is kinda cracked

[noble arch]

Woo! Base minion spell damage Disciples of Necromancy is now a 5 point node that grants +2 minion spell damage and 2% increased minion cast speed per point. Its previous effect of +1 maximum Skeletal Mages is now a 3 point threshold bonus.

[obtuse quest]

Oh NO

[wintry flame]

SUSTAIN

DODGE LICH INCOMING

okay hollow lich rework is kinda interesting

[obtuse quest]

Wtf dex in lich nodes

[wintry flame]

DODGE LICH

[obtuse quest]

LMAO DODGE RATING PER INT

[wintry flame]

Dodge ghostflame lich everyone lock in

[weak inlet]

I love the movement updates

Maybe melee ai won’t be as shit

[obtuse quest]

OH MY GOD

MAX HP ENDU THRESHOLD

Oh crap it's the half health node

[wintry flame]

welp boys Dark Retribution has been replaced with Invigorated Dead. +2 minion melee physical damage and 2% increased minion movement speed per point. It has a 3 point threshold bonus which grants “Your minions gain 100% of their added melee physical damage as added throwing physical damage”.

GG

[obtuse quest]

Skele rogues are alive, that's crazy

[rare quail]

Minions sound fun this patch

[little wigeon]

Yes yes fuel the mourningfrost

[pearl scarab]

Oh my eterra seal of death no longer nukes your ward

[obtuse quest]

Hey exsang users, you have the fun node

[pearl scarab]

[obtuse quest]

WAIT

NO WAY

[pearl scarab]

Yup

[obtuse quest]

DEATH SEAL MORE MUST TAKE THAN EVER

THIS FIXES NOTHING EHG

💀

[pearl scarab]

No longer removes ward and does not prevent ward gain

10 second cooldown tho

[obtuse quest]

That's an auto take for Low life users

[pearl scarab]

Also less damage taken equal to 50% of your percent missing life 80% missing = 40% Dr and 90% of hit damage is taken over 4 seconds

We judgement paladin now

[obtuse quest]

The 50% thing has always been in death seal

The hit damage is new.

Wait

Tf

Built in damage delay

No unique needed

[pearl scarab]

Yup

And if we do the dot bypasses ward, we can just leech to deal with the dot and be basically immune to hits

[obtuse quest]

If you're low life you won't want that cause you'll die

But for non-LL that's the play.

[pearl scarab]

Not thinking low life there

[obtuse quest]

Ah fair

[pearl scarab]

But also there’s a node that clears a % of the delayed damage per thing you kill

[obtuse quest]

??????

Godamn hybrid is king I guess

Alright ehg

[pearl scarab]

Which looks like it caps at 12% per thing killed, tripled if it’s a rare/boss

[brisk ferry]

Lame patch notes, didnt even finish them

[pearl scarab]

Oh and ending deal seal can remove delayed damage too

[obtuse quest]

Very funny ehg, don't tempt us into dodge

[autumn bough]

broken

[pearl scarab]

You can make deal seal do a death pulse on evade/reap

[obtuse quest]

Doesn't disable leech, we already win

Insane

[autumn bough]

it does disable

[obtuse quest]

Hollow lich keeps it's function at 4% less per leech

[unreal hill]

hollow lich got nerfed :0

[autumn bough]

says instead of healing

[autumn bough]

its a big buff not nerf

[obtuse quest]

Nono, we're still getting health from scornful.

[pearl scarab]

Wait

[unreal hill]

buff and nerfed

[obtuse quest]

Unlike old hollow where we get nothing.

[pearl scarab]

Harvest gets 2 necrotic dmg per dex

[obtuse quest]

It got 1 previously.

So general buff

[pearl scarab]

It got 1 from int

Int is now the 4% boost

[obtuse quest]

Probably converted the int scaling to % inc

Yeah knew it

[abstract summit]

This double scything dex lich archetype looks even more cracked than in my wildest dreams

[obtuse quest]

So in-line with flay

[pearl scarab]

But dex was 4% boost before

So dex is now sillier

[obtuse quest]

Lmao

[abstract summit]

Lich also looks literally immune to dots lel

[autumn bough]

wdym? from what i see it basically makes all leech perma rf around you

so its more dmg multiplier

on anything

[obtuse quest]

it says drains, so I persume we still get 'leech' that way

Instead of just losing it alltogether

[autumn bough]

hmmm

well we need to find out

[obtuse quest]

Yeah that's more of a tesdt and find out

[autumn bough]

but if it doesnt leech its still more dmg

[calm pendant]

this sounds really cracked with 3 base cd and +1100% recurve chance....

[obtuse quest]

6% instead of 10% per, but still working as intended.

[pearl scarab]

Wraith skin on harvest seems silly

[wintry flame]

hoping it's true CD and not frequency, this makes it sound like true CD that is affected by CDR

[pearl scarab]

Harvest on hit gives 5% of missing health as ward

[obtuse quest]

Low life players celebrating

[pearl scarab]

I am constantly being thrown between low life and hybrid

[autumn bough]

imagine getting 50% melee leech just bonking once then run around 3 sec with aoe rf

kekekek

[calm pendant]

yeah it reads like basecd reduction which is great

[abstract summit]

30% more flay atk speed with dagger lmao, like we needed more reasons for traitors tongue

[pearl scarab]

Oh harvest can also summon the kaboom zombies on kill or on hit vs rares and bosses

[obtuse quest]

Kekw finally forstbite chance

[noble arch]

So many minion buffs

[wintry flame]

although it is kinda of concerning they put this much CDR in the tree lmao

[noble arch]

Army necro might actually be viable for harder content

[obtuse quest]

MINION FLAT CRIT

[wintry flame]

😮

[pearl scarab]

Holy sacrifice got its base damage and damage effectiveness doubled

[obtuse quest]

Will be better than their current from that's for sure, but probably won't beat giant solos meta wise

[dark inlet]

Hollow Lich has been moved to require Scornful Blood, and now grants 2% increased damage per 1% health leech per point, maximum of 3 points (from 10% increased damage per 1% health leech, max 1 point).
Am I misreading this? It takes 3 times as many points to get 60% of the old effect?

[obtuse quest]

It's now 6% per 1% leech

10% leech instead of 6% leech for 60% increased.

[magic sonnet]

When will they update maxroll with the new trees

[tall mural]

bed of souls is wild

[dark inlet]

It says 2% per 1% leech

[obtuse quest]

Per point, up to 3.

[calm pendant]

with some idols we should be able to get it to below 1.5s cd that is really nice

[noble arch]

That'd never be the case either

[dark inlet]

Right... which is 6% in total, vs old 10%, aka 60% of the old

which is what I said

[wintry flame]

who tf Age of Undeath has been replaced with Commanding Presence. Cannot absorb Summoned Skeletons. Minions within 12 meters of your abomination gain 10% increased attack speed. Max 1 point.

[abstract summit]

"Open Wounds: When you directly use Flay and hit at least one enemy with the melee attack, your active Aura of Decay gains 2% increased radius and 2% more ailment frequency per point for 4 seconds. Max 3 points."

I want to see this with 200% atk speed lol

[obtuse quest]

It's not 3x though, it's more like 1.4x

Unless you meant point acount

[dark inlet]

... I said 3x the points

[wintry flame]

snapshot node Death in the Family has been reworked. If the abomination was made using at least 1 of every minion type mentioned by Engorgement, it gains 20% more damage and 20% increased attack speed and movement speed per point. Max 3 points.

[fast crystal]

no base skeleton/skeleton warrior tree changes everyone will be running 1 minion dreadshade builds

[obtuse quest]

Oh misread, I thought you mean 3x leech

[obtuse quest]

Which we're already doing anyway.

[fast crystal]

😭 never big army of minions

[dark inlet]

Yeah, this seems really fun to build around

[wintry flame]

honestly double strike Abom might be kind of cracked

[abstract summit]

HOLY

Flay cb trigger is based on max mana 😄

[dark inlet]

Can't wait for LEPlanner to update to really start theorycrafting

[wintry flame]

@obtuse quest they gave abom AoD Added a new node off of Repugnant Mass, Noxious Stench. Your abomination casts Aura of Rot, inflicting poison to itself and nearby enemies every second, influenced by its chance to poison on hit. +20% chance to poison on hit per Skeleton Rogue absorbed.

[uncut trench]

I miss vomit zombies but stinky abom will do

[obtuse quest]

AHAHAHAHAHA

UNREAL

[wintry flame]

actually might be worth for clear with plague setups

Abom is still looking like a top contender build for Necro

just a lot more fun to play and build

[tall mural]

they are really pushing that Dex secondary with these changes

[obtuse quest]

They even gave us dodge scaling

very funny

[abstract summit]

"Chaos Rip: Directly using Flay and hitting at least one enemy with the melee attack has a 0.5% chance per point per maximum mana to release a Chaos Bolt towards an enemy. Consumes 2 mana per Chaos Bolt Max 2 points."

Does the "PER chaos bolt" means you can jack this up to 200-300-1000%?

[tall mural]

the dodge scaling I just say and stared at for a minute ngl

Lich Ghostflame is gonna be silly

[balmy void]

No love for skeleton warriors! sadness

That talent tree needs a rework so bad

[obtuse quest]

Lmao 5 meter flay

[uncut trench]

Flicker bros eating well.

[dark inlet]

The per chaos bolt is how much mana it consumes. the % scaling is with your max mana. if you have some way to convert mana consumed into max mana, then you can get it scaling itself, I suppose. is there something for that?

[tall mural]

The hew node is ridiculous, 36 more dmg vs 9 less AS? come on now, that is so good

[obtuse quest]

It always consumes 2 mana per bolt

Read the text again

It's proc chance scales with your max mana.

[dark inlet]

I didn't misread. Reread what I said

ffs

[obtuse quest]

Oh I misread

Crap

[dark inlet]

yes, you keep doing that.

[abstract summit]

Ye but it's like 100% chance per 100 mana right

[obtuse quest]

At 2 points ye

[abstract summit]

So if you have 1k mana

That's 10 bolts?

[obtuse quest]

Heavy you crapper now that unique is a must run

[sharp delta]

Whats our thoughts on Necro?

I feel like

[obtuse quest]

ALso new curse lmao

[sharp delta]

Somehow, someway, Eternal Arrow could be viable

[wintry flame]

okay we snapshotting Dread shade all day guys

[dark inlet]

5 bolts.

0.5% per max mana. so 200 max mana = 100%.

[sharp delta]

Also Profane Obliton could be good too

[abstract summit]

0.5 per point, max 2 points

[dark inlet]

oh, with 2 pts, yeah

[tall mural]

time for all those scythes to see the light of day

[abstract summit]

So uhm... that's a LOT of bolts

And this thing also triggers marrow shards lmao

[fast crystal]

"Egoism has been reworked. The targeted minion receives +5% critical chance, +10% critical multiplier, and +5% chance to be crit per point. Max 2 points." rip 100% crit

[obtuse quest]

AIYAYAYA BLEED PROPANGATE

[sharp delta]

Dread shade crit is dead holy moly

[sharp delta]

Crit Necro found dead in a ditch