💀┃acolyte

[crimson trench]

if i cant run bone curse then ill probably do profane veil

[wintry flame]

No one plays channeled puncture lmao

[minor cedar]

I tried ages ago it felt bad

I also tried channeled detonating arrow on a mana stacking build

That felt alright but you nned to stack mana regen too cause you burn mana from that rogue passive

[crimson trench]

do you know if blood tithe works through fissure

that could help offset flayer

[obtuse quest]

Yes, and it will most likely drain both your health and ward to shreds.

[wintry flame]

Yeah I meant recently. I am almost positive I tested for broken interactions on net puncture traps and channeled version and found no bugs, so either I missed it or it was introduced somehow.

Hoping the latter so I don’t feel bad in my skill testing lmao

[minor cedar]

Which are those broken interactions on net puncture traps and puncture? When i tried stuff falconer wasn't even a thing

[wintry flame]

Puncture traps give your next cast the ramping more damaged per sec channeled or something

Set trap, wait, and then use puncture and you get the 250% more damage per sec for however long you waited I believe

https://youtu.be/8pLGOIAm7i8?si=beuAFNMFFgPAXnV_

If you wanna see it

[minor cedar]

Lol

[old idol]

Is Marina's Lost souls easy to obtain in the stolen lance timeline or should i wait until empowered monoliths? plz

[obtuse quest]

It's also a random drop. If you're desperate, farming it in empowered is better. It's relatively common.

[old idol]

Thank you

[tribal ledge]

okay I think I have two items worth exploring for the witchfire warlock

trying to wrap my head around this

so if you have an item with two good affixes and you need to make room for a prefix to slap on a set affix

are you trying to gamble away the unwanted prefix via removals?

[obtuse quest]

If the tier is low enough, sealing it might also be an option.

[tribal ledge]

which item seals?

[obtuse quest]

Glyph of despair, note that if the seal fails, it'll upgrade the affix instead.

[tribal ledge]

okay I thought so. is there a way to calculate the chance of success?

[obtuse quest]

Seal Chances:

Rarity: Magic Item w/ 1 Affix
Tier: 1 chance: 0.525
Tier: 2 chance: 0.345
Tier: 3 chance: 0.1725
Tier: 4 chance: 0.075

Rarity: Magic Item w/ 2 Affixes
Tier: 1 chance: 0.63
Tier: 2 chance: 0.414
Tier: 3 chance: 0.207
Tier: 4 chance: 0.09

Rarity: Rare Item w/ 3 Affixes
Tier: 1 chance: 0.735
Tier: 2 chance: 0.483
Tier: 3 chance: 0.2415
Tier: 4 chance: 0.105

Rarity: Rare Item w/ 4 Affixes ---- OR Exalted item w/ 2 Affixes
Tier: 1 chance: 0.84
Tier: 2 chance: 0.552
Tier: 3 chance: 0.276
Tier: 4 chance: 0.12

Rarity: Exalted Item w/ 3 Affixes
Tier: 1 chance: 0.945
Tier: 2 chance: 0.6210001
Tier: 3 chance: 0.3105
Tier: 4 chance: 0.135

Rarity: Exalted Item w/ 4 Affixes
Tier: 1 chance: 1.05
Tier: 2 chance: 0.69
Tier: 3 chance: 0.345
Tier: 4 chance: 0.15

[tribal ledge]

okay so a four-affix exalt with 3-4 affixes is super high

let me get out of this monolith area

so these are probably hard to seal because the floor on affix tier is high

but I imagine I'm trying to removal the melee crit strike on the mace?

and for the wand I'm trying to seal the spare suffix?

[obtuse quest]

Pretty much.

[tribal ledge]

welp let's gamble

lol immediately lost the dot damage on the mace

time to keep fightin'

[obtuse quest]

F

[true blaze]

@tribal ledge what affixes are you looking for?

And does base matter for your build

[tribal ledge]

it's @pearl snow 's Witchfire Warlock build on LETools. I'm meant to slap Sinathia's curse bonuses (a prefix) on a 1h mace with ignite chance and ideally something like dot damage

in theory, a solarus mace has the implicit fire pen and is thus best

[pearl snow]

Ignite chance, DoT %, Fire Dmg / Necrotic Dmg

Mana gained as ward is not horrible but not necessarily ideal

Extra suffix is whatever it ends up being lmao. But Fire Pen / necrotic pen is big

[tribal ledge]

yeah when I get to 81 (I'm 80.5) I'm gonna see what I can do with this wand

it might finally be better than the torch I'm using

[pearl snow]

I used a profane wand for most of my leveling

[tribal ledge]

having awful luck getting sceptres with exalted affixes to upgrade a torch

[pearl snow]

You could add an extra rule to the filter for sceptes too. I think mine are fairly strict on them / don’t have a nice extra rule for them

[tribal ledge]

yeah I might need to broaden it

[true blaze]

I was gonna make a long reply but I think genuinely you're gonna end up Yolo removing a bunch of affixes and crossing your fingers. Just remember you can
-seal affixes
-havoc to shuffle tiers (even havoc to shuffle a low tier to seal)
-yolo chaos runes
-yolo...the rune that changes the exalted affix

I always throw a few runes at decent items if I need them (gonna Yolo a quiver tomorrow) as they're pretty plentiful

[bold hound]

Does anyone else have to play styigan coal with no sound? i can't handle the dududu dudududu dududududududu.

[flint scarab]

I was wondering if someone could give me a pointer with my build. It's a work in progress I still need to upgrade a lot of my stuff. was just wondering if mad ladle was superior to Marina's. https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/A8XgzG5A

[stuck owl]

Warlock, Level 96

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.5

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Warlock (82)

General:

▸ Health: 1,902, Regen: 19.44/s
▸ Mana: 235.49, Regen: 11.04/s
▸ Ward Retention: 188%, Regen: 300/s
▸ Attributes: 13 Str / 15 Dex / 74 Int / 2 Att / 33 Vit
▸ Resistances: 52% / 17% / 61% / 30% / 23% / 749% / 64%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 31%, Threshold: 380
▸ Dodge Chance: 3% (68)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 29% (1,364)

Used skills:

Chthonic Fissure / Bone Curse / Chaos Bolts / Rip Blood / Profane Veil

[gleaming carbon]

I have no idea what sound it makes since I play with no sound all the time

[obtuse quest]

No spiteful decay.
2 points in chains of ruin?
2 too many points in vessel of chaos

This is otherwise an old torment setup.
Ladle is better because it gives you cast speed for orbs.

[flint scarab]

im fixing passive nodes soon. was just experimenting with vessel of chaos over spiteful decay

[flint scarab]

and are orbs really that good? I've been using profane more for safety since they dont do that much dmg. whats the cast speed going to affect?

[obtuse quest]

Cast speed affects rip blood spam and orbs

Orbs are your Plan B for bossing.

[lost gale]

you really need to go do the quests for idol slots, they can make a big difference

pretty sure cursed limbs doesn't work for the bone curse triggered by CBolts

[flint scarab]

yeah i can get extra 300% nec res if i get idol slots lol

[flint scarab]

and no it doesn't. im still casting bone curse manually

[hot sorrel]

Hi guys , can anyone help me with scaling dmg/def of a stygian coal warlock?

Just got back into the Game After a Long hiatus and getting my cheeks clapped in empowered monos. I can do regular ones pretty Fine but at Level 82 I could use a Lot more damage and some way of def to survive longer. My tooltip for drain life says 7k Which seems kinda low.

I Read that stygian coals scaling itself with Mana and intelligence, is it enough to focus on These tho ? Any other tricks i should be Award about ? Any Input is appreciated!

[lost gale]

warlock? most people play Lich with stygian coal fyi

crit chance, crit multi, int & cast speed are your main scaling stats

you want to be using a mad alchemist's ladle

you should be spamming rip blood to recover mana and stack flat spell damage, it's essential

without that you can't afford to keep casting life drain and your stygian beams won't do nearly as much damage

[north lance]

Lich Stygian Coal is terrible. I understand why many streamers initially played this build, but after killed Uberroth, most of them stopped using it🫂

[lost gale]

it's not terrible, but it is clunky

drain life being a ground targeted lingering AOE just feels bad to play really

and that carries over to coal

[obtuse quest]

It’s lich right? Not warlock right?
Anyway, yes, scale INT, Mana, and crit chance. A lot of it.

[gleaming carbon]

all that effort just to be a worse version of the Wraithlord

[obtuse quest]

Well to be fair, that worse version can beat uberroth, but wraithlord can't-

[hot sorrel]

Im on warlock atm, why is lich better?

[obtuse quest]

Lich has Reaper Form, Death Seal to hyper boost it's damage, and Lich has access to much more INT from passives.

[pearl snow]

Lich’s tree is focused on dmg output and int. Warlock’s is mainly DoT focused

[obtuse quest]

No, chaotic strikes is not enough to make up for the lost damage from Lich.

[hot sorrel]

ok i think ima respec then. also how do i go about finding a ladle if im playing CoF?

i always used MG which seems way easier so far 😄

[obtuse quest]

Stab as much exiled mages as possible. There's an woven echo that is JUST exiled mages.

[pearl snow]

The weaver’s tree helps a lot with spawning them too

[obtuse quest]

... What do you even use those two skill slots for as Warlock? Bone curse is the only thing that comes to mind.

[hot sorrel]

wandering spirits and profane veil

[obtuse quest]

One is defense which is... fair, but wandering is... eh.

[north lance]

I thing about Warlock crit 🤨

I'm thinking about completely dropping Mortality's Grasp and possibly adding Marked for Death in another way

Only Grave Circle on Profane Veil🫡

[toxic abyss]

is the chaos bolts tooltip still bugged?

[hot sorrel]

Lich Works way better already, thanks gus

Guys*
On another Note: besided coal, which uniques Are good ? Saw many different iterations on LE tools

[obtuse quest]

It's not bugged more like intended. (Please don't use tooltip DPS)

[obtuse quest]

Mad Ladle, amulet is the usual nihilis or take an acid skin swine pearl first. Rest are more personal/defensive chouice.

[toxic abyss]

intended, how? also why?

[obtuse quest]

Chaos Bolt doesn't do damage directly, once it lands, it creates an explosion sub skill. (It's also the reason it can shotgun.)

Why don't trust tooltip dps?
Tooltip DPS is supposedly calculated with these conditions:
No mana issues.
Constantly spamming the skill.
Crit being converted to a %more modifier.
Ailment chances averaged by their % (Eg: 50% chance to spreading flames means accounting for half of spreading flames DPS always)
Ailment Max cap ignored.
Example: Disintegrate saying it does 50mil dps on tooltip but in reality barely does 50k dps.

[pearl snow]

Side note it’s also probably just not calculated at all on the tooltip. So whether thats bugged or not is up to you.

[tribal ledge]

hey just wanted to thank you for the reminders here. I figure this is where I'm at, too. I am almost level 9 with the observatory folks and then I can apply the mace lens in my third slot and hopefully start speeding up the rate at which I find yolo targets

[true blaze]

not a problem. my biggest issue in games like this is hoarding because "i might need x later" but the yolo craft is really rewarding when it hits

[tribal ledge]

yeah with the prophecy system I will have basically no trouble getting more of the set affix so I'm basically going to gamble with each relevant mace I come across

[true blaze]

thats the spirit!

i need more quivers, but the one i have i got really lucky with so i dont see it happening

[tribal ledge]

I have been playing with a friend a lot and am wondering if it is possible to do a partial export of a filter so he sees certain things I'm more keen on

[lost gale]

not naturally in game but filters can be exported as text and if you can parse the text format properly you can extract particular rules and just copy paste them between text files to effectively share them

[muted slate]

hey this game is really ridiculous, every boss oneshots me, 500 corrupt is no joke for us

[obtuse quest]

We aren't particulary tanky, so we have to NOT get hit at all. But 500 isn't that bad.

[topaz marlin]

hey guys, if I snapshot another weapon upon summoning, will my minions get the leech on melee hit

[obtuse quest]

Not sure if this affix counts, but maybe.

[crimson trench]

flayer heals way too much

i turned off the chaos bolts node and my LL plan is still ruined

[obtuse quest]

I did warn you.

[pearl snow]

Kek

[autumn bough]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2BZrtGp-tQ

new cook dropped, 23 sec dummy kill 2:30 on uber https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p03zK866TQU

and everyone were saying warlock is meh now kekw

[vivid kernel]

very creative, i take it you're using rip blood to stack damage and then unloading it all at once with profane veil and fissure

[autumn bough]

pretty much i uploaded mapping version for that you spec blood splatter+cursed limbs on curse and gg

with double t7 gear its easily close to 100 mil dps imo

[lost gale]

what's spirit plague doing for you?

some poison damage for acid skin?

[autumn bough]

+1 curse and acid skin and refund of cd on veil

[lost gale]

why the bleed on-hit stuff in spirit plague? afaik that's bugged

[autumn bough]

was just testing, those points dont matter

[crimson trench]

very cool, i think orbs has been explored before but no one pushed it from what ive seen

you reckon witchfire/bleed could reach this kind of dmg or are ailments downbad?

[autumn bough]

well originally it platou build then we improved it to double the damage

i credited him on vid

bleed version is totally viable i have it on my planner, one of variations

i havent minmax it yet

bleed on paper was ~20% less dps, so still insane

ill test it later wehn i finish theorycrafting

[crimson trench]

bleed variant is still pumping profane veil dmg? with some side bleed dmg? did i get that right?

[obtuse quest]

This is some orb bullshit, hilarious. No one better doubt the orbs again.

[autumn bough]

😏 trueee

[autumn bough]

veil scales both hit and bleed, so most of your dmg will be bleed, but u can snapshot decay aura for decent crit chance too

[crimson trench]

reason i ask is cause i know theres pure ailments if you just go fissure->bolts->harvest/bonecurse

[autumn bough]

not worth

veil orbs will do more bleed than anything else

so much better to full focus on it

[crimson trench]

reallly?

[obtuse quest]

The node that boosts orb's damage is a generic % more damage, so it'll boost the ailments it applies as well

[autumn bough]

ye its not even close, you will also get big bleeds from fissure tho

so its 2 skills dps

ill try to finish bleed version this week we will see

[crimson trench]

i know that much, i saw it was pretty good wit hwtichfire

[autumn bough]

on paper its as op as this one just a bit less dmg

[crimson trench]

what i mean is like bleed applicator, i guess its many orbs?

[autumn bough]

yes

[obtuse quest]

With the amount of cast speed, yeah, that's an minigun of orbs.

[autumn bough]

also build so good for arena, anything dies from like 10% of orbs and 90% linger for next waves

so its like a trap build in some sense 🤣

[crimson trench]

you would still ahve room for it tho is what i was trying to say

[lost gale]

Sweet, think I'll convert my warlock into the bleed version

My necro is already converted into the flickering shadows infernal shade cook, much better than the profane oblation nonsense I was failing to make good

[autumn bough]

well ill update it in couple days but current version should be functional on bleed

[crimson trench]

cook witchfire am im sold on acolyte @autumn bough

[autumn bough]

no >.>

hhahah

i had a cook with LL leech damage conversion but it didnt apply to curse dmg so....the cook failed

[lost gale]

what were you trying to convert curses to?

[autumn bough]

i was scaling leech converting to %dmg with hollow lich node

[crimson trench]

you sure? i though it did

[autumn bough]

logically it should

[crimson trench]

i thought all generic applied

i recently discovered increase channel dmg too

[autumn bough]

well it doesnt work so... its bugged or the relic takes only curse dmg stat not generic dmg

[lost gale]

I too was under the impression that hollow lich scaled downfall of the righteous's more-from-curse damage affix

[autumn bough]

it should

🤷‍♀️

idk i can ask devs

@lost gale be careful with bleed version since i didnt fully test cant garantee that itll work for sure

[crimson trench]

how much bleed stacks does profane orbs get alone? isi t insane?

[lost gale]

I'm playing offline, won't cost me anything but a little time if it doesn't pan out

[brave ocean]

how is the survivability of the build?

ward #s didnt seem insane

[autumn bough]

very tanky, u have 2 rr, ox body and 100% dodge half of the time, just need to be abit more careful on veil downtime

decent armor and many drs+minions to distract from bone curse

[autumn bough]

during veil u are immortal

[brave ocean]

yeah now that i am reading into the build more it makes sense

[obtuse quest]

It's supposed to, even LETools supports it.

[autumn bough]

according to agend it shouldnt work 💀

makes no sense to me

[obtuse quest]

Okay time to temporary ruin my current char for the sake of science.

It's working. I get a small boost in damage.

Someone's lying.

44k ticks to 46k ticks from a 5.9% melee leech.

[pearl snow]

hmm

are we sure the increased dmg to necrotic and fire isnt the reason?

I feel like the jump would be higher if it was more

[obtuse quest]

Unallocating Hollow Lich it turns it from 44k to 40k ticks, with 1.25% generic and 2.5% spell leech

[pearl snow]

you have nothing on but relic yeah?

and the melee leech

[obtuse quest]

37.5% inc isn't big.

[obtuse quest]

I have my standard set of equip. Only swapping or emptying out gloves.

[pearl snow]

makes sense

I always thought Curse was outside the generic increases from Hlich, but that is a weird result

Maybe its working but intended not to?

[obtuse quest]

That's a possible thing, but currently it seems to be working as LETools say.

[pearl snow]

The only other thing I can think of is the small increase to necrotic bump is highly effected by the slight change in base number before "more" is multiplied

but that seems unlikely

I did notice at some point % Necrotic far outpaces Fire or vice versa on gear

[obtuse quest]

%inc feels more impactful when you have lower amounts of it, basically. Standard stuff.

[pearl snow]

Yeah

how interesting though on the Curse %

[obtuse quest]

When it means generic, it MEANS generic, lmao

I didn't immediately make that connection either, until I remember lethal con's alt text.

[lost gale]

profane veil orbs are so slooooow

[old hull]

So how much % inc curse damage and % inc fire/necrotic damage do you have?

[lost gale]

big big damage

when they get there

not sure how to value cast speed when cursed idols vs profane veil duration idols, the cast speed scaling on orbs is so high

and you can reduce the CD a lot with spirit plague spam so idk how much extra uptime you really get from duration

[crimson trench]

i knew i wasn't going crazy

now double down on that science with the increase dmg while channeling

[autumn bough]

they are pretty close, duration is a bit more dps but both viable

[lost gale]

I had wondered why nobody was doing Vaion's boots with chthonic fissure traversal skill

I'm wondering if the bleed boots are better for bleed setup

but it's a sweet combination

[autumn bough]

torment is bad dps

[crimson trench]

i might be lacking the cast speed on my relic/passives but i haven't found that orbs applies more bleeds than fissure.. @autumn bough i might be doing something wrong

i have an atrophy with castspeed/dot tho..

[autumn bough]

hmm smth is wrong then, i still havent tested

[obsidian mango]

Can u guys tell me if is it ok for now and what replace ?? Im lv 53

[obtuse quest]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/
Could have just used this.

What you want to use would also depend on what build you're going, there's no generic answer.

[autumn bough]

Ok u need to understand smth

Full inventory of orange and green items=not good

Craft rare or exalted items with best affixes for your build and include some uniques that are really good for your build specifically

[obsidian mango]

okay but i have no clue what am i building i found somehting on internet

[obtuse quest]

If you have no idea what your building, then maybe find or get an idea on what to build first.

Otherwise you'll just run into a wall.

[obsidian mango]

okay thanks

[autumn bough]

check out how skills work in game, see if u like anything then find a build with that skill somewhere

[flint scarab]

I usually run cast speed on ladle since I don't even have 100 int yet. it flat dmg superior? Playing warlock torment

[obtuse quest]

Are you using Profane ORb? If yes, Cast speed is always better. Else, marina's is better.

[flint scarab]

youre not wrong. I'm thinking of farming swaddling of the erased and try get good affixes on it. can get 40% cast speed just from that

[lost gale]

blood mage gloves are a pretty nice option too

a bit of spell crit instead of cast speed but the damage smearing is a very nice defensive layer

[lost gale]

aura of decay better be goated in 1.3

[flint scarab]

honestly. i've never used those gloves and I dont even understand them

[obtuse quest]

The important part is that it gives Flat spell crit chance (2-4%), and 1% spell damage leech.

[lost gale]

As kzb says you get spell crit and leech but when a rare or boss hits you you take 75% damage and then get a dot on you which does the other 25% over 4s.

If you have decent leech and DPS then your leech will definitely outheal that dot so it protects you from a lot of one-shots

If you have plenty of healing and/or sustained ward but fear one-shots then you're basically getting 25% less damage taken for the attacks you are actually worried about

It doesn't do as much for a low-life build, but something like twisted heart with big leech sustain it's an amazing defensive layer

[flint scarab]

i see. i do have pretty good health leech right now. ill give them a try. what affix am i aiming for? im assuming ill slam t7 cast speed + t7 necro res or int

[lost gale]

Cast speed is good, experimental +armor & armor reduced dot is good, res can be good

[lost gale]

oh and maybe armor shred depending on what else you're doing with your build

[forest wave]

Hello, tramps! I play for necromant through Wraithlord's Harbor, (switched to corruption 1000) I have a question, there are gloves for Julra's Obsession lp2, the first one will have a cast speed (30), and what to put second, which will be more effective, maybe Frailty or Shred Armor, what do you recommend? I'm writing through a translator, sorry

[lost gale]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cThI1Crb994 This guy is the one to trust on wraithlord stuff, planner in the description

[forest wave]

Yes, I know, I've seen it, but the problem is that he has Julra's Obsession lp1.

[lost gale]

Idk if the minions actually hit fast enough for 100% shred to matter

[forest wave]

It is not possible to play without gloves, even in 1000 games .

[flint scarab]

ill be going with cast speed for now i only got 1lp

[lost gale]

yeah, LP2 is pretty rare

[forest wave]

now I'm going to experiment with curses by inserting them into lp1.

[lost gale]

curses?

you mean frailty vs shred?

[flint scarab]

just put minion dmg or health depending on what you need

frailty and shred dont matter with wraithlord

[lost gale]

you don't get minion damage or health twice with julra's obsession

[flint scarab]

dont need to

the reason keeper has 1lp is because 1lp is all you need

[forest wave]

I'm sorry, that's what I meant.

[forest wave]

shure?

[flint scarab]

i mean my wraithlord was running 2k4, had cast speed and minion health on gloves

while minion health doesnt get affected by glove passive. its still good to have. and you really dont need shred

you should be 1 shotting everything at 1k corruption

[forest wave]

With Shred Armor, I can take everyone down almost 30%-40% faster.

[flint scarab]

link ur planner

i want to see your build

[forest wave]

just a second

[obtuse quest]

It's not required because the idea is to one shot mobs anyway, which is why 1lp is the only needed lp.

[forest wave]

in theory))

[forest wave]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/offpoet/character/L1ma

[obtuse quest]

Well, considering iirc, you should have 2 stacks of shred per minion hit and a 3rd one if the enemy has bone curse, I don't know if more armour shred helps.

[forest wave]

But what about killing bosses?

[obtuse quest]

The short answer: If you can hit about 150 stacks reliably already, more stacks don't do much.

[forest wave]

150 Shred Armor stacks ? excuse me

[obtuse quest]

100 stacks of armour shred is 54% more damage,
150 stacks of armour shred is 56% more damage.
There's no hard cap of armour shred, but any further doesn't give much gains.

Example: AT 200 stacks, it's about 57.7% more. (Which hovers on 58.6% at 300 stacks.)

[forest wave]

then maybe it makes sense to put Frailty , and not be so gentle?

[obtuse quest]

You could, it's a safety. But it wouldn't matter if you go any higher in corruption. since you'll be in 1-3 shot range anyway. (Don't get hit at all instead.)

[forest wave]

Yes, I've been thinking about it, I'm going to fall with a punch (

[flint scarab]

ew lol

why you not running mandate?

[forest wave]

let's have a laugh together)

[obtuse quest]

Which won't change much against bosses even with fraility.

[flint scarab]

why u dont have this

[forest wave]

not my method. definitely do the tasks correctly and competently, but I don't want to)) I'm a fool.

[obtuse quest]

Mandate is a lot more damage for less effort.

[flint scarab]

well i dont speak russian. but you only need 2lp mandate

[forest wave]

You need to do everything for charms , and necrotic penetration should be done by idols . then it makes sense. and so the difference with what is now is not great.... I stupidly lose hp and ward

[obtuse quest]

Well, the most reliable build setup for wraithlord uses all their idol slots for health...

[forest wave]

the fact is that I run for the trade faction)))) I tried 5 times with 2lp, but I had no luck.

[forest wave]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/offpoet/character/L1ma

[obtuse quest]

Honestly? I don't know why you're using flame wraiths. Most of damage comes from the lord himself./

[flint scarab]

nah flame wraiths are good

good for boss fights if u set them up beforehand

[obtuse quest]

Without abberant, it kinda feels meh?

[flint scarab]

i agree. they feel mediocre but when you check how much dmg they put in when you buff with infernal its pretty decent

[flint scarab]

this my axe running 2k4. low life build. i have 6.5k ward when doing nothing. when im fighting i have 10k ward. all my idols are ward & health. 1 idol is necro pen

[obtuse quest]

I know keeper uses them as bait at most since he's playing glass cannon style.

It does little damage for his setup.

[obtuse quest]

I don't know why those matter, wraithlord gets those as well.

[lost gale]

does the putrid wraith poison bolt actually hit things or is it a weird edge case where it's a projectile which applies an ailment without hitting

[obtuse quest]

It's a hit with 0 damage tied to it.

Similar thing with AoD's poison bolts.

[lost gale]

putrid wraiths have some pretty sick damage multipliers if you only have two and make them turrets, also poison convert dread shade I guess

mayb plague idol putrid wraiths could work

[forest wave]

not really) even so, there will be more damage.... I checked on my character,.... maybe I'm wrong.... we don't take into account -2 to skills and -100hp

[obtuse quest]

Iirc -2 skills doesn't matter that much.

Oh also, usupers prevents all stuns on minions.

That might matter.

[forest wave]

top

[obtuse quest]

This is er, worse than apogee because it's all increases.

Anyway, average pen roll on usurper's (21%) saves you 7 idol pen slots, enough for a good chunk of health.

[forest wave]

if you have the desire and the opportunity, try how I did everything to put on spell. you will be surprised

[obtuse quest]

You could also ask the current top recorded wraithlord player who did 5k corruption. I don't think anyone else comes close to his corruption count for wraithlord setups.

[forest wave]

+(

[obtuse quest]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/build-guides/keepers-wraithlord-necromancer

[stuck owl]

Keeper's Wraithlord Necromancer Build Guide

Game Cycle / Version

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.7

Class

Acolyte / Necromancer

Used skills

• Infernal Shade
• Dread Shade
• Transplant
• Bone Curse
• Summon Wraith

Used unique items

• Wraithlord's Harbour
• Exsanguinous
• Usurper's Mandate
• Blood of the Exile
• Death Rattle
• Ambitions of an Erased Acolyte

Tags

Boss Killer / Monolith Farmer / Arena / Minions

Created by keeper184 · Feb 20, 2025, 1:21 PM

[forest wave]

it doesn't make much difference from a two-handed axe.... almost .. Or maybe I'm just dumb.

[obtuse quest]

Apogee would be on paper, better for offense.
But usupers only losses a bit of offense for MUCH more defense.

Anti-stun, opening up idol slots for more health, health on hit for wraithlord....

[forest wave]

What's that????? I didn't understand... Is this a joke? maybe the translator translated it wrong . more details please

[obtuse quest]

Usupers' last line makes it so minions (your wraithlord) cannot be stunned.

Usurpers also means you already have necrotic pen, allowing you to use your idol slots for defenses.

(Also free health for you whenever your minions hits.)

[forest wave]

did I understand correctly that it wasn 't exactly stunning, but rather knocking down a cast during an attack by fat mobs on my bots?

[obtuse quest]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/guide/section/stun

[forest wave]

Thank you, comrades, for paying attention to my questions!

[forest wave]

yes. That's what I meant.

[obtuse quest]

Yeah, usupers stops that.

So your wraithlord doesn't stop attacking from getting hit.

[forest wave]

I'm crooked, I still need to take this into account))) I'd rather die foolishly))

Thanks guys

[final yarrow]

WHOA THAT LOOKS SICK

Give one here

💀

Jk jk

[true blaze]

doing a stygian lich and wondering the main differences between wrongwarp/mad ladle. on the ladle you get better cast speed (probably average about 70-90% inc cast speed) and up to 48% spell damage, as well as a much lower implicit spell damage.

on the wrong warp you get faster cd for transplant, higher implicit, and easier scaled spell damage to move speed (up to ~200% should be easy enough) but no cast speed

what might be better? if you're stacking int, im not sure if the lower cast speed would be noticeable because you still have the 1:1 stygian beam frequency

[vivid monolith]

Cast speed is to rip blood for mana sustain, which in turn is a dmg modifier for beams

[true blaze]

so its a more mana > more beams > more damage as opposed to more damage per beam situation. interesting

[vivid monolith]

Not more beams: if you are ever running out of mana to cast beams you're obviously losing damage. Stygian Coal's final affix: "3% more Stygian Beam Damage per 10 Current Mana
Multiplicative with other modifiers"

[true blaze]

so is the best way to just cast drain life on CD and not spam?

[obtuse quest]

Spam it as much as your rip blood spam can handle keeping your mana topped up.

Wrongwrap's spell damage is increased while mad ladle's spell damage is MORE, which is a huge difference.

[north lance]

2 time reroll

[minor cedar]

Melee harvest lich is still a thing?

[river lagoon]

how strong are non-abomination minion builds for the acolyte?

[obtuse quest]

Untouched, in it’s mid state

[lost gale]

wraithlord is strong, flame wraiths is decent, beyond that they're pretty much all disappointing

[obtuse quest]

Wraithlord is the only one that can resonablly match up abomination

Other vaild builds so far are: Skeletal Rogues lethal con, profane skeletal mages, flame wraiths

[lost gale]

it's odd to me that the rogues don't really have any way outside of lethal con to actually get chance to poison yet the default amount seems to work alright

and lethal concentration builds don't even use harvest to give rogues that chance to poison in the first place afaict

[old hull]

I use harvest on my rogue build, but yeah it's not super necessary

Dread shade gives a decent chunk of poison chance, too

Along with AoD

[lost gale]

eulogy of blood is used with chaos bolts harvest proc right?

oh I had forgotten about AOD to be fair

do you snapshot AOD with increased AOE idols?

[old hull]

I don't personally, but when I do happen along a +100% area shrine I do cycle AoD off and on to snag that lol

[lost gale]

noice

I'm quite interested in blood curse aura & AOD & mark of the rat technology but that's warlock only so not ideal for necro skele rogues

you could maybe go into warlock for poison overload's second node & get poison proliferation on potion use

[old hull]

You can't prolif your minions' poisons, unfortunately

That said, they do a pretty decent job at clearing considering they are mostly melee

[wintry flame]

it's funny how it works. I get like 200-250 stacks of poison and they can get to 2mil ticks. Literally like a passive/skill tree rework away from hitting some really good numbers. I really wish Minion skills trees weren't so dedicated to splitting the types of minions

they should almost be like Ele Nova is instead

[celest steeple]

Has anybody tried a Transplant spam build?

Cooking a bleed build but could also see a necrotic hit build too.

[wintry flame]

I think Dr3ad did in one of the recent seasons

[celest steeple]

I saw he did something like that for a Lich

With the ability to get experimental traversal cooldown to t7 reasonably easily now, I was wondering if anybody else had tried it and to what success.

[lost gale]

Problem with doing ailments is that iirc the best damage multipliers on the tree specific to hits with transplant explosions, doesn't carry over to ailments

And your hit rate is obviously not that high

But the explosion does have good hit damage and high effectiveness iirc and you can get two hits per cast if the departure and arrival overlap

[wintry flame]

okay he did a zero to hero recently https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQgSO5w8RXs

[celest steeple]

So the idea is to press Transplant and get like 8 hits via extra explosion, Rip Blood, Marrow Shards, Bone Curse's bone eruption, and timed out Bone Curse casting Rip Blood again

and all those individually have 100%-400% bleed chance.

[obtuse quest]

But does the bleeds do good damage?

[wintry flame]

Issue with low hit rate bleeds is you need an insane amount of multipliers to get any sort of ramp

[celest steeple]

I'd have the bleed boots + bleed overload

and salt the wound for pen

[lost gale]

Cursed exile is 40% damage per point Vs cursed enemies and some health/ward recovery but it's hit damage only

[celest steeple]

I thought about trying to be oom the whole time for the 90% more dmg in Transplant

[obtuse quest]

You'll still need the base multipliers, to be fair every bleed build can use it.

[lost gale]

There's also hit damage and hit damage Vs bleeding enemies

Yeah transplant isn't an ailment skill at all lol

[celest steeple]

Ok so the issue would be just not enough multipliers for the bleeds

[wintry flame]

correct

[lost gale]

Literally chaos Bolts will do better damage per bolt than transplant

With ailments

[obtuse quest]

It's a very good meme and works decently, but trying to get past 300c is probably a chore/hard.

[wintry flame]

look at a skill like Hungering Souls and it's multis

it isn't a good bleed skill due to it lacking the hits, but has a lot of multis

and still doesn't do well, Transplant would do worse

[lost gale]

Ignite hungering souls should work, everything is there for it to work but it just doesn't

[celest steeple]

Would spamming Transplant really be that bad hit rate? With all the other hits it procs

[obtuse quest]

To be fair, it's unique makes it do a LOT of hits.

[wintry flame]

yeah at a cost of your damage 😛

[celest steeple]

I can see the lack of multipliers being an issue but I'm counting 6-8 hits per cast of Transplant

[wintry flame]

and yes, the hit rate is still bad and the bleeds would be weak

[obtuse quest]

On traget: transplant 1 hit, marrow shards possibly one-two its, bone eruption one hit, rip blood 1-2 hits.

[obtuse quest]

Hey, 10 skulls is 50% more damage comapred to pre-unique so-

[celest steeple]

Transplant would hit twice

[wintry flame]

6-8hits per cast isn't that much when you're using the skill every ~2 secs at best?

[obtuse quest]

Do you cast on your own spot? Otherwise it would only be 1 hit.

[celest steeple]

and Marrow Shards make Bone Splinters that hit

[obtuse quest]

If you spot cast, 2-3 hits.

[obtuse quest]

that's why 1-2 hits. Splinters normally don't hit the OG target.

[celest steeple]

No no, using the Experimental Traversal CD on Potion

[lost gale]

Rip bloods are from where you leave which isn't ideal either

[wintry flame]

oh okay even still

[lost gale]

And I think the timing of bone curse isn't good for you

[wintry flame]

most skills have a base cast rate of like ~1.4 casts per sec?

[lost gale]

It's casts it after you arrive

[obtuse quest]

He can slot illusion of pain to make it pop near instantly tbf.

[celest steeple]

That was the plan

[obtuse quest]

Bone curse would account for 1 stack+ 1 hit's worth

[celest steeple]

If I can apply bone Curse then hit 4 times I get another Rip Blood hit

[lost gale]

Yes but I don't think the transplant arrival explosion is going to trigger the illusion of pain bone curse

[obtuse quest]

No, but the marrow shards could if it aims there.

[obtuse quest]

Illusion of pain pops itself in one? Where did the 4 times come from.

[celest steeple]

Thats what I meant

4 times is the node leading up to it

[obtuse quest]

If you took the always crit 1 hit node, it replaces the 4 hit node.

[lost gale]

How are you going to reliably get OOM? Gonna make rip blood cost mana

[celest steeple]

Thought about turning Bone Curse into an aura but I've read its bugged and doesn't work right.

[lost gale]

Rip blood costs mana, loads of indirect casts of rip blood

[celest steeple]

and ya, making Rip Blood cost mana

[obtuse quest]

It works right. It's just that the right way it works is kinda ass.

[lost gale]

If you scale bone curse damage then bone curse aura is absurdly dangerous to your health

[celest steeple]

also with Bone Eruption and Mark for Death, Bone Curse is 36 mana per cast

The plan was bleed so Bone Curse shouldn't hit for much

[obtuse quest]

Transplant casted bone curse doesn't cost mana. Cursed Limbs also doesn't cost.

[celest steeple]

Oh damn didn't know that.

[lost gale]

It's not like self ailments (eg immolators oblation or aura of decay) where it doesn't scale with your stats

[obtuse quest]

As a rule, if it doesn't state a cost, procs don't cost anything.

Transplant only costs whatever health transplant takes. The rip blood and bone curse it casts are free.

[lost gale]

Doesn't the rip blood blood splatter cost mana even on indirect casts?

[celest steeple]

So it seems a bleed based build would be tough due to lack of multipliers. I'll try a Necrotic hit build.

[lost gale]

If you need to be OOM then you can set up chaos Bolts to spend any amount of mana really

[celest steeple]

For the future, bleed boots + overload + lots of pen isn't enough for bleeds? you want the multipliers in the skill.

[lost gale]

Yes, ailments w/ unlimited stacks are pretty much dependent on good skill multis and a high hit rate

[obtuse quest]

Because all acolyte bleed setups can access it, yes.

[celest steeple]

is there a good benchmark?

like how much more dmg to look for

[lost gale]

Chaos Bolts being by far the best skill acolyte has for bleed/ignite/frostbite/damned application

[obtuse quest]

You either need to:
Hit VERY often.
or
Good multipliers.

If you can get both, then it's a top tier ailment vehicle.

Casted Rip Blood is actually not too bad as a bleed skill.

[lost gale]

We aren't sentinels but the time rot Javelin build uses a tree that offers roughly 12x damage to ailments, hammer throw bleed uses a tree that has about 6.3x damage.

[obtuse quest]

Fast, 2 hits, can mana refund, some AoE.

[celest steeple]

I'm mostly interested in turning a traversal skill into a main skill with that experimental affix.

But good to know for future ailment shenanigans.

[lost gale]

Try profane veil

[obtuse quest]

The nature of Acolyte's traversals makes that hard to do.

[celest steeple]

Is it possible with Profane Veil?

Getting that CD to 1.8 sec seems impossible

[lost gale]

I bet between curse casting and that affix you can probably get it down to almost nothing

[wintry flame]

yeh @autumn bough said something about a bleed veil build

[celest steeple]

Well ya with that node for sure.

[obtuse quest]

You'll be channeling it for a while, so as long as the CD is near that amount...

[wintry flame]

she just killed uber with the crit version

[celest steeple]

Doesn't CD not start til youre done channeling?

[wintry flame]

correct

[wintry flame]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2BZrtGp-tQ

[lost gale]

Spamming spirit plague to get rid of most of the cooldown in like 4 casts then a potion should get rid of the rest perhaps

[celest steeple]

Seems like you need a 5 or 6 sec CD traversal to get it to 1.8 sec reasonably

[wintry flame]

the veil build

[obtuse quest]

Oh oops.

Tbf 2 secs means 50% uptime

[wintry flame]

I did use bone curse and such to get a good uptime, because it has the highest base cast rate of the curse skills

uptime is good, lots of hits, and you get multis

[lost gale]

The veil traversal node has 35% CDR, 2* T7 CDR on boots & belt should get you down to 5s

[autumn bough]

veil traversal is super bad for dps

not worht

[wintry flame]

oof 😦

[lost gale]

The guy wants to use the experimental traversal skill cooldown on potion affix

[celest steeple]

I got a Brewmasters with t7 traversal and 20% cd reduction ahha

[lost gale]

Someone posted a surge build using that affix

[celest steeple]

Ya! Thats what inspired me.

[lost gale]

But I don't think acolyte has anything to really take advantage of it

[autumn bough]

ye not on aco

[celest steeple]

Ya also considered Cold Fury Leap + Upheaval but couldn't figure out the mana

I think hit Transplant might be cool

Lots of multipliers and solid added damage effectiveness

[autumn bough]

the one build that could benefit from it is veil apocalypse

[lost gale]

Staying OOM for the 90% multi seems tough

[celest steeple]

Ya I think that will be the puzzle

[autumn bough]

but you clear 2 screens on apocalypse anyways there is no point spamming it

[celest steeple]

Bone Curse aura and Aura of Decay might get there

[lost gale]

Wat is veil apocalypse?

[autumn bough]

zombie explode build

[lost gale]

They turn off if you hit 0

[celest steeple]

Aww really?

[lost gale]

You can easily consume more mana than you regen with them but to be consistently below 0 you gotta b spending

[celest steeple]

Rip Blood ig would be the answer there

can make it cost 9

[autumn bough]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxjSiFIfWrM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBqCccIKGOA

[celest steeple]

err nvm

[lost gale]

Volatile zombies proccing sacrifice can eat any amount of mana

[celest steeple]

someone said that Rip Blood cast through Transplant doesn't use mana

[lost gale]

But that's two ring slots, two specialised skills

[celest steeple]

Ugh so I'd have to reactivate the auras after reaching 0 mana to take advantage of them?

[lost gale]

ah yeah I did see that, how are you appearing to stay in veil while still casting other skills?

[celest steeple]

I'd basically be using them to reach 0 mana and then wouldn't benefit from them after that

[lost gale]

if you numlock bone curse aura that should actually annihilate your mana

[obtuse quest]

AoD doesn't cost mana by default, so....

[lost gale]

it costs the 10-15/s every time it toggles

[obtuse quest]

Bone Curse aura costs mana to upkeep so no mana= no bone curse aura.

[lost gale]

and per second

[celest steeple]

I was gonna give it mana drain in the tree

[lost gale]

i don't actually know how triggered bone curses work when you have bone curse aura specced though

[celest steeple]

That's a good idea actually

[lost gale]

plus you have the -90% duration node which could make bone curse fall off stuff reliably between toggles maybe for the rip blood?

[obtuse quest]

Then it turns off if you can't pay the cost.

[celest steeple]

Right, that was the issue

But numlocking Bone Curse seems easier and saves a skill slot

[wintry flame]

lmao might be troll but you could do sac too

[lost gale]

I can check how toggled bone curse works with rip blood etc

[celest steeple]

I'd be curious

[wintry flame]

sac + blood spectres would keep you at -100 😛

takes a relic slot tho

[lost gale]

drain life's mana drain on minions mode is the only way I know of to not be at -100 all the time with sac blood spectres

[autumn bough]

visual glitch

[lost gale]

okay numlock blood curse with the -90% duration and rip blood on fall-off works exactly the way you want it to

[wintry flame]

easyyy

[lost gale]

it also automates getting bleed overload

[wintry flame]

@lost gale did you play some poison rogues? Was hoping people would play rogues more this season.

[lost gale]

nope

[wintry flame]

booo 😦

[celest steeple]

Thank you!

If Blood Curse is an aura but you have the cast on Transplant node, what happens?

Given the lack of multipliers for the other skills for bleed, I think I'm gonna look into a hit build

That numlock trick is really cool

So once you get mana you immediately toggle Bone Curse aura and apply its effects until you run out of mana again essentially?

Automated with numlock

[obtuse quest]

Most likely it will cast bone curse as if the aura part doesn't exist.

[celest steeple]

Thats sweet so I can keep the functionality of the aura and cast versions

[lost gale]

Yeah, it's sweet tbh, might even be a semi legit build

[celest steeple]

I'm cooking up a rough draft planner rn, would love to share and get input from whoever is interested.

[crimson trench]

fissure is pretty good ailment applicator

for bleed fissure can shoot chaos bolts which casts harvests and bonecurse/rip blood

[celest steeple]

I probs go Warlock since it generally has a better tree than Lich?

Neither one has anything particularly standout for the build.

[celest steeple]

Heres what I have so far https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Q9WPKyko

[stuck owl]

Warlock, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.5

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (18) / Warlock (75)

General:

▸ Health: 1,823, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 169.51, Regen: 9.6/s
▸ Ward Retention: 175%, Regen: 132/s
▸ Attributes: 7 Str / 17 Dex / 60 Int / 7 Att / 42 Vit
▸ Resistances: 55% / 20% / 20% / 46% / 20% / 233% / 120%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 36%, Threshold: 365
▸ Dodge Chance: 3% (68)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 25% (1,125)

Used skills:

Transplant / Bone Curse / Rip Blood / Marrow Shards

[celest steeple]

Its got the Blood Curse/Rip Blood engine, Transplant cooldown reducers, and all the base crit I think I'll need.

Haven't figured out a 5th skill or if I even wanna be a Warlock. Lich would give me Reaper form and more base spell damage but the Warlock tree is just so much better overall.

Death Seal too...

[crimson trench]

maybe fissure? another curse and then you can take acid bane

pretty strong for hit builds

[celest steeple]

Considered that but with the build wanting to be at 0 mana, a 45 mana skill is a tough fit

Also have Acid Skin covered via amulet

[crimson trench]

id play the phys version personally

decrepify is harder to comeby

[celest steeple]

Only thing I can think of is Aura of Decay

True but Decrepify doesn't help the damage whatsoever outside just being a curse.

Acid Skin gives 20% base crit which is insane and also very hard to get.

[crimson trench]

and i think you will have enough clear without that 5th skill

so fissure would just be for bossing i guess

[celest steeple]

Ya probably just wanting to utilize all slots if I can

How am I gonna cast it though?

Bone Curse on numlock should keep me at 0 mana constantly.

Everything else is free

Going Necrotic opens up Grimoire of Necrotic Elixers tho...

of Twisted Heart

[lost gale]

I've tried the build and it's giga clunky

giga giga clunky

[celest steeple]

Oh nice did you sim it offline?

[lost gale]

yes

[celest steeple]

Damn so even with the potion cooldown reduction its not enough?

[crimson trench]

what did you try @lost gale

[lost gale]

with the 90% reduction bone curse lasts 0.8 seconds so ideally you want to have its mana cost put you to about negative 0.9 seconds worth of mana regen

if you go back above 0 before 0.8 seconds bone curse just gets refreshed and no rip bloods happen

unlike aura of decay numlock, bone curse aura has a cast animation so you stutter step casting it all the damn time

[celest steeple]

Oh that sucks.

That alone is enough to convince me lol.

[crimson trench]

that can be fixed with cast speed no?

thats kinda dumb that a "toggle" is just recasting the spell in this game lol

[celest steeple]

Its not for Aura of Decay which is weird that it is for Bone Curse

I mean what if we use Aura of Decay for the mana drain and use the node in Bone Curse that times it out after 1 hit and just cast it with Transplant?

[lost gale]

I'll try it and let you know

[celest steeple]

So we just totally sidestep the Bone Curse aura thing

Sweet ty! I'd love to know how you do that for my own testing purposes at some point haha.

[lost gale]

numlock aura of decay doesn't cost mana upfront and doesn't drain nearly enough mana

[celest steeple]

Well shit

[lost gale]

the thing about bone curse is that things that increase its mana cost increase the upfront cost and the cost of the aura

[celest steeple]

Right

[crimson trench]

just play fissure if you wanna dump your mana lol

[celest steeple]

Ya but its keeping it dumped while Transplanting

Could drop Marrow Shards for Chaos Bolts and drain mana like that

[crimson trench]

you just hold fissure + transplant

[celest steeple]

another Bone Curse applicator as well

[lost gale]

fissure & transplant actually sounds alright tbh

[celest steeple]

just make it shoot Cbolts and make them cost a million mana

[lost gale]

you can have fissure trigger chaos bolts for tons of mana too

yeah

and proc extra bone curses, rip bloods and harvests

[celest steeple]

that sounds like a plan

wonder how necrotic looks now since we get necrotic shred for free

[crimson trench]

fissure will take phys shred for you

[celest steeple]

Does Fissure shred phys? Thought it was only necrotic or fire

[crimson trench]

blood gulch node

[celest steeple]

ik you can convert it to phys and ignite to bleed but dont think it converts the shred nodes does it?

ya it doesn't convert the shred nodes unfortunately.

[lost gale]

shred that isn't armor shred is kinda mid

[celest steeple]

isnt shred resist just pen with extra steps?

multiplicate dmg

you also have to get necrotic shred in fissure to get to cbolts

[lost gale]

no you don't

the proliferate on torment is the cheaper path

[celest steeple]

Spirit Gale?

[lost gale]

fell fire -> stygian current

[crimson trench]

it does, try it

i play bleed on my lock

[celest steeple]

Wouldn't we want Spirit Gale tho?

Also not starved for points, really just want it for casting Cbolts

was just thinking if I'm gonna pick up necro shred anyway might as well go necrotic dmg

[celest steeple]

Which one does it convert? Fire?

[crimson trench]

yup

[celest steeple]

Wow you're correct.

Wish it mentioned that!

physical it is

[lost gale]

okay so just spamming fissure does indeed put you in negative mana very fast

but you don't seem to get any chaos bolts when you're in negative mana so that side of things is not happening

[celest steeple]

they dont just start casting again when you reach 0?

[lost gale]

I also don't think 1.8s cooldown transplant is doable

[celest steeple]

quick maths says youd need about 170% cdr

to go from 5 sec to 1.8

ive got that on the planner rn

[lost gale]

I have 45% transplant CDR from idols, T7 CDR boots, T5 belt with T7 experimental traversal CDR

2.3s cooldown in game

[celest steeple]

stymied fate boots

wrongwarp

[lost gale]

ah okay

[celest steeple]

theres also an acolyte helm with cdr implicit but id much rather use a barbute if possible

[lost gale]

I suppose there are rings with CDR implicits too

[celest steeple]

oh ya the opal rings too

[lost gale]

and gloves too

[celest steeple]

forgot about those

[lost gale]

ascetic gloves

[celest steeple]

im on grasp of the blood mage but with acid skin i could probs drop it

wait

grasp uses ascetic gloves as base

yuge

[lost gale]

I need to ascendance up a wrongwarp

I don't actually have one

and slam T7 CDR on stymied fate

[celest steeple]

No rush, I appreciate all the help. I'll figure out how to do that at some point too so I can test.

[lost gale]

s'alright im doing this offline so not like it's costing me anything

slammed the boots, T2 julra not a problem with a half-baked build thankfully

[crimson trench]

i need to pick up offline for testing lol, have way too many weird ideas

[celest steeple]

Same af haha

[lost gale]

I can do cool stuff like putting weaver's will on normal uniques and just seeing what affixes pop up, I think with <14 WW it's actually considerably less powerful than guaranteed T7 slams

[celest steeple]

Thats pretty sweet haha

[lost gale]

okay im at 1.9s cooldown on transplant with stymied fate, wrongwarp & a single opal ring

the problem with wrongwarp ofc is that it's wrongwarp and you don't get to choose where you go with transplant

[celest steeple]

so probs 1.8s with another opal ring?

[lost gale]

that or another transplant CDR idol but I don't really think 1.8 is needed

[celest steeple]

ya i thought about that, is the range really large?

[lost gale]

you're rarely going to get the timing on the potion better than 0.1s

[celest steeple]

thats pretty fair

so drop wrongwarp to aim transplant

[lost gale]

as it stands anything below say 2.1s cd I think it's going to feel instant when you potion after transplanting

[celest steeple]

thats good to hear!

so without needing wrongwarp, would a 2h staff be the move for all the extra spell dmg?

gate staff helps us oom faster

plus you can get a flat physical spell dmg roll on a staff via Halvar's set

[lost gale]

man im too fat fingered for this on teleport stuff 😛

on potion I mean

[celest steeple]

hahaha i move potion to a mouse button so i can use the skill and potion on the same hand

so with cbolt out we need a 5th skill, preferably something that helps keep our mana low

maybe use a damage to mana unique?

like seed of ekkidrasil

[lost gale]

I think trying to be OOM for that 90% node is actually a bad idea

[celest steeple]

is it even worth it without it?

90% multiplier is massive

lemme see how dread did it

cuz he def took that node

ahh ok so this is from when that affix was bugged so he was just spamming stuff in between transplants to oom himself

ya the only other thing i can find to drain mana is aura of decay but its not enough to overcome mana regen

can you reduce mana regen? xD

i know nihilis amulet can go negative mana regen

but ya i think thats probs more trouble than its worth

[crimson trench]

probably, since in essence more mana = more dmg

[lost gale]

well you can definitely get a lot of rip bloods

but it's clunky and the rip bloods don't do as much damage as you might hope

[celest steeple]

damn, ill look at a different movement skill to try to build around

fury leap + upheaval interested me but 32 mana per cast is a lot to overcome

[lost gale]

if there was another way to reduce duration then maybe you could have bone curse aura running full time and also falling off for the rip blood spam

trust me primalist mana is always trash

[celest steeple]

really is, best i can come up with is the lightning resist>mana regen body armor

losing mantle sucks tho

[lost gale]

you can get fury leap tree applying to maul as werebear

[celest steeple]

does that make maul count as a traversal skill?

dont think it does so the experimental affix doesnt work

[lost gale]

i don't actually know, probably not

[celest steeple]

dont think it does, otherwise you couldnt use rampage while maul is on cd

ima go to the primalist chat to not clog this one up if you wanna join

[normal arrow]

Anyone feel free to answer, how much crit does your stygian coal lich have out of curiosity?

[lost gale]

I don't play it but i've seen a few planners posted and i've never seen above ~75% without shattered worlds

with shattered worlds +5% roll then 100% isn't too hard

[normal arrow]

That's about what I have, but I guess I'm worried that I'm playing incorrectly. The scaling on drain life isn't dynamic right?

As in... I need to recast the drain life after stacking the flat spell damage from blood rip, and the damage multipliers from death seal?

[lost gale]

I actually don't know whether the stygian beams are effectively snapshot per drain life cast

shouldn't be too hard to test though, try

1. drain life on a dummy without using rip blood
2. drain life first then spam rip blood
3. blood for ~6s, cast drain life, stop casting rip blood
4. rip blood for ~6s, cast drain life and keep casting rip blood

[rigid wyvern]

so if it works how tornados work, then its a spell that casts a spell

so the stygian beam is effectively a new spell cast that the drain life is casting

so it shouldn't snapshot when you cast drain life

but thats how tornados and storm bolts work

but if you go into LE planner and look, they have their own subskills, which means they are being cast after drain life is cast

[lost gale]

Thing is that gathering storm/stormbolts has its own skill tree that it scales off and it doesn't derive any stats from the tornado tree per se.

Stygian beam is a subskill of drain life effectively & damage is actually increased by (some of) the multipliers in the skill tree, so it's calculating damage from drain life.

It's a different scenario

[normal arrow]

Where is the training dummy again?

I have 15 mins before I have to start dinner lol

[round trail]

Can someone tell me if I can dual wield on acolyte

I want to play str build with cleaver on reaper

[frank geode]

Arena

[old hull]

The more typical example is chthonic fissure casting spirits, where it snapshots at initial cast. But it's just up to implementation.

[obtuse quest]

No

[north lance]

Wand mtx sale today

[round trail]

No choice I'll play cleaver + bastion

[obtuse quest]

I have to ask: Why? Acolyte is like the one class that can mass stack Int very easily.

[round trail]

Why not?

[obtuse quest]

WIth what str support?

[round trail]

Wdym str support

[obtuse quest]

You'll probably be struggling to get a good amount of Str.

[round trail]

Well I already have some gears with str

Gonna try it on acolytes

[obtuse quest]

I er, wish you the best of luck then.

[round trail]

I'll cook it

I want to try some melee crit reaper

[obtuse quest]

Your only choice is Harvest. It also crit caps for basically free by itself.

[round trail]

No other melee skill?

[obtuse quest]

There's Reap which is the skill that you gain access during Reaper Form, but that one is utter shit for damage. Yes, that's it.

We only have one melee skill.

[round trail]

What support skill on acolytes skill I can use based on reap and harvest

[obtuse quest]

Other than movement and buffs like reaper form and death seal, all you got are curse debuffs, which harvest needs to do any meaningful damage. Bone Curse is the deafult to use.

[round trail]

Oh wait true

So harvest , reaper form , death seal

Which curse suits me more

[obtuse quest]

Probably BOne Curse, since it at least gives armour shred and procs on hit.

[round trail]

Thanks

For the final slot

What's your recommendation

[obtuse quest]

Rip blood for health and mana if you need it, transplant if you want to play double traversal...

I dunno

[round trail]

@obtuse quest I got a question I am curious about if I converted harvest into physical does this mean int = flat physical melee dmg?

[obtuse quest]

Unless the node says so, no. The node says int is now 4% bleed chance.

[round trail]

Oh F

There goes my dream of physical reaper

Oh is it possible to rip blood automatically @obtuse quest

[obtuse quest]

Bleed overload is probably the only one

[round trail]

What is this

A gear?

Or a node

[obtuse quest]

A passive node in warlock, iirc there’s also an axe that casts rip blood on melee hit

[round trail]

Oh it's bleed overload

Hmm I guess this is more bleed chance take from what I am seeing on every physical conversion of skills

Damn there's alot of damage over time passives

I guess physical dot would be the best way to go

Hmm actually dot bleed with pearl of swine and blood exile plus valdyr might be better

[lost gale]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/skills/rip_blood/sources

Plenty of ways

[round trail]

Can you convert wandering spirits into physical or something

[obtuse quest]

It’s only necrotic or poison.

[round trail]

Weird why does wandering spirits on LE tools have bleed icon

[lost gale]

wandering spirits can be fire too

[round trail]

@obtuse quest correct me if I am wrong but does physical % applies to spell , melee and bleed?

[lost gale]

all of the above

[round trail]

Thanks

Guess I'll choose physical dmg t7 over dot t7

It's more universal

[obtuse quest]

Yes

[round trail]

Now I am curious which is better to use ghost flame or harvest

Harvest seem to have higher bleed chance

If I have 100 int it's 400% chance

So I'll go harvest and aura bone curse?

Feels like playing swarmblade form

Pearl of swine have additional physical dmg dot which increases dmg depending on how low is my hp

So death seal would help

[lost gale]

is it actually plausible to hit 20 stacks of self-ignite for profane oblation?

[round trail]

Hmm I am wandering if death seal prevents self inflicted debuff

[lost gale]

I have like 200% cast speed with necrotic rip blood and I'm getting ~14 stable

[obtuse quest]

It doesn’t

[round trail]

I mean the dmg from self inflicted bleed @obtuse quest

There is a node that prevents self drain there

[obtuse quest]

Self drain isn’t ailment damage

[round trail]

Ahh ok ok

That sucks

Guess I'll get immortal vise then

Are there self clear on acolytes @obtuse quest

[lost gale]

huh if that pyromancer conversion node converted all sources of minion chance to poison to ignite we could get >500% chance to ignite on hit pyromancers

I wonder if that would actually do real damage

[obtuse quest]

Self debuff clears? Profane veil, and the generic belt affix I think

[round trail]

Rip

I can't use the 50% physical penetration on bleed of harvest

Because it inflices me bleed too

Specially if I hit very fast

Or maybe I could just endure it

Gonna try it out with immortal vise first

Are there any haste giving skill @obtuse quest

Like the one with easier condition to proc

[lost gale]

transplant

on cast for a few seconds

[obtuse quest]

Or the warlock node that gives you chance to gain haste on kill

[round trail]

Wait what's the name

Eh rip

It's warlock locked in

Hmm there's not much dot dmg passives on warlock surpassingly

Lich actually have more

Wdf

[ocean sable]

so i just started to play with my friend. We are around lvl 75 and everything just dies so fast theres no point to do any crafting etc.

Is this normal? when can we play the real content

[obtuse quest]

You’re doing decent then. Go unlock empowered monoliths. Clear all 3 lv 90 timelines.

[ocean sable]

Emm so what should things should we farm

there are so many things dropped

don't really know what to keep

[obtuse quest]

That’s dependant on your build, you’ll most likely aim for legendaries/uniques with lp and exalteds

[ocean sable]

im a sentinel. i checked some online guide. they are using some gears that i have never seen

is there any season 2 exclusive legendaries

or gears that requires lvl 75+

[obtuse quest]

No.

[obtuse quest]

Maybe. Some uniques have a level requirement, and uniques don’t drop at areas lower than the listed requirement

[ocean sable]

i got a lot of dungeon keys

do i use them?

[obtuse quest]

Use them if you need the specific stuff the dungeon does

[ocean sable]

thanks

[round trail]

Quickly go over and start forgotten knight quest by finishing all timeline from center and right side

The real content starts once you play Empowered timeline

Corruption 100 is the beginning of the real game

As you try to finish forgotten quest you'll be meeting the first end game boss aka Regular Aberroth

At around corruption 300

The end game content starts at corruption 500 which is Uberroth

[ocean sable]

this?

[round trail]

Yes go do spirit of fire too @ocean sable

Finish up the tutorial zone ASAP

[lost gale]

Okay so old poison was overpowered because it had crazy pen with a lot of stacks

can we make pyre of affliction self-ignite/self-damned 16% necrotic pen with damned per stack of damned on you actually work?

spirit plague with maehlin's hubris is the best way to get yourself ignited afaict

transplant cooldown is a limiting factor

I can get like 160 stacks of self-damned on dummies by spamming spirit plague and transplant with not-great CDR

[celest steeple]

Here's my planner for the Transplant build we talked about yesterday. Ended up going Necrotic for Twisted Heart. Hoping the loss of the 90% more dmg when oom doesn't brick the build, we do still get the giant 200% multiplier and two 30% multipliers with 250% added dmg effectiveness.

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BO94kL3A

[stuck owl]

Warlock, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.5

Class:

Acolyte (22) / Warlock (91)

General:

▸ Health: 1,621, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 159.51, Regen: 9.6/s
▸ Ward Retention: 145%, Regen: 25/s
▸ Attributes: 20 Str / 15 Dex / 45 Int / 7 Att / 31 Vit
▸ Resistances: 55% / 20% / 20% / 46% / 20% / 210% / 71%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 324
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (60)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 25% (1,127)

Used skills:

Transplant / Rip Blood / Bone Curse / Chthonic Fissure / Chaos Bolts

[celest steeple]

This is pretty interesting but how are you damning enemies while stacking bleeds on yourself? Fissure+Cbolt?

[lost gale]

with maehlin's hubris all bleeds become ignites, casting spirit plague with the bleed pen nodes gives me like 6 stacks of bleed which become ignite per cast which pyre of affliction turns into damned with 160% increased duration when I cast transplant

[celest steeple]

Is Transplant what is applying damned to enemies?

[lost gale]

nah I'm casting cbolts for that

[celest steeple]

Ok ya i figured cbolt + fissure between transplants

[lost gale]

cast spirit plague for a second or two, transplant, cbolts

doing it without optimising had me sitting on like 40-60 stacks of damned in maps

[celest steeple]

i got an offline editor so i can test stuff

how often do you need to stack the bleeds?

[lost gale]

too often to be comfortable

I don't think it's worth it

[celest steeple]

ya youd wanna be stacking bleed/ignite on yourself while doing the thing

[lost gale]

I didn't have enough specialisation slots for fissure too

because I guess you could spam spirit plague while a fissure casts the chaos bolts for you

but I wanted mark of the rat in profane veil, which spreads the damned stacks on you to enemies whenever you inflict mark of death

I figured that lets me take advantage of the self-stacks twice over

bone curse aura with mark of death on it, spirit plague, profane veil, transplant +1 skill to DPS with when I've just converted ignite to damned

I suppose transplant could be unspecialised

but I wanted it to cast bone curse in addition to the aura, for some reason that seems to work well for mark of the rat

[celest steeple]

man pyre with a transplant spam build would make you immortal

[lost gale]

it isn't that much ward really

especially considering you are applying dots to yourself

damned may have low damage but the health regen debuff is very significant

I was seeing like -300 to 600 health regen at times

I think the build is just a bit too clunky to work unfortunately

[loud rover]

hello, I got some question about stygian lich for boss kills...currently I have this setup, but I think switching to nihilis and aberroth helm should be better even though I'll need to sacrifice +10% health from my decaying skull right?

[lost gale]

I don't know if this is really useful tech but if you use the staff that lets hungering souls shotgun and get enough projectiles then hungering souls can reliably break the 4-hit bone curse while it's getting auto-refreshed by cursed ground or bone curse being an aura so you can add a lot of Rip Blood casts to your hungering souls spam.

I haven't tried it with the up to 25% chance for +5 proj on hungering souls idols to see if you can really break shit with it

[round trail]

i am surprised this was a thing on acolytes

and its quite tanky

i can actually use mantle of ox

on my lich

[arctic grotto]

With max level and high Int, Revenant is a good backup melee frontliner in case my Abom dies, damage is nowhere near abom but good enough to deal with any mobs

[round trail]

Yeah the main point is tanking

I could use this on my lich and use mantle of ox to absorb dmg

I'll build str instead for more armor then convert it all to int with cleaver

Also more str means I could use the best shield in this game aka bastion

[round trail]

Do acolytes/lich have frenzy or something @obtuse quest

https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/UAwRgrATCxA

Damn this looks really good

[obtuse quest]

Transplant gives it I think

[obtuse quest]

Using aberroth's helm (Seed), effectively kills your setup, since you want your mana to be as high as possible.

[round trail]

Hmm should I go flayer but risky or

Bastion for more survival and easier to maintain low health

Hmm I guess seed of ekridrasil would be best for me

More Dr

[lost gale]

Chaos Bolts does the exact same thing but better lol.
Hungering souls stay losing

[obtuse quest]

Hungering souls was decent when chaos bolts didn’t existed

[lost gale]

Bone curse aura 4-hit and rip blood on removal is pretty sweet with chaos Bolts though

You get so many rip bloods

[round trail]

@lost gale @obtuse quest any thing that can make me gain mana

Rip blood forces me to use it directly

[obtuse quest]

Lol lmao. It’s either rip blood or chaos bolts

[round trail]

Can I gain mana on indirect cast of rip blood tho

Like blood overload passive

[obtuse quest]

No

The mana gain node states direct cast

[round trail]

F it's useless

[obtuse quest]

Your alternate choice is to use the “mana gained on harvest use” rare chest affix

[round trail]

Oh really

[obtuse quest]

Good luck with that affix though, it’s pretty rare

[round trail]

@obtuse quest are you sure it's on body armor

[obtuse quest]

No, it might be a helm affix

[round trail]

I don't see it on le tool

[obtuse quest]

I forgot

[round trail]

I am playing mg so rare affix is easy to get wait

[obtuse quest]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/prefixes/ACwRhQ

[round trail]

I plan to play bleeding lich

Does physical dmg on transformation better?

[obtuse quest]

Numbers are kinda similar to just generic % inc physical so just go for the bigger number you find

[round trail]

Well it's on helm and no other boost to my bleed on helmet other than this

Hmm let me check first how much mana I consume with bone curse aura

[lost gale]

if you get the mana efficiency node and marked for death it's ~12.9/s

I think

[round trail]

Oh it's not so costly

I don't want to trade my str on armor for mana gain

[lost gale]

Transplant, hungering souls, spirit plague, wandering spirits can all sustain mana for you, but none of them are close to direct casting rip blood or chaos Bolts on cursed enemies

[round trail]

That's pretty L

We'll see my consumption first

[round trail]

@obtuse quest @lost galei notice I have to hit someone with bone curse to deal dmg so is it dot or on hit

[red steppe]

Bone curse is a hit

[round trail]

F

[red steppe]

It does damage when you hit the enemy with something else

[round trail]

I thought it's going to be like abyssal decay

Well at least the decepcrify of bone curse is Dot

[red steppe]

Scaling wise I'm honestly not sure how it works I'll have to ask. Because it technically is a dot but it behaves like a hit if that makes sense, I'll ask

[round trail]

My main concern is just the scaling

Since I am going to build dot bleed lich

[red steppe]

Yeah nah it scales as a hit

It's just programmed a little wonky

It doesn't have the damage over time tag

[round trail]

Ok that's good to know

[red steppe]

I'm still gonna ask to make 100% sure but yea

[round trail]

Btw are there any other skill or passive that benefits from low life

I only saw that one passive from lich that triples on low life

I am curious what else

Decepcrify from pearl swine benefits from low life too

[red steppe]

There's the decrepify dot that scales with your missing health

Think there's a few other things but I'm not an acolyte main so I forget

[obtuse quest]

Death Seal does. That's kinda the important ones.

[round trail]

Yeah that's the main plan

But I want to know if there are other stuff that benefits from low life that I will include with it

Good thing you have a free summon just by being at low health

Mantle of ox is applicable

[obtuse quest]

That's about the only usables low life stuff you got.

[lost gale]

Chaos Bolts 1% more ailment damage per 20 missing health. If you go down through the necrotic/damned -> phys/bleed conversion you can even get the bone curse on-hit without getting the health-gain stuff

[lost gale]

& death seal obviously, 1% more global damage & 0.5% less damage taken per 1% missing health

[round trail]

If only there's indirect use but alas my main goal is dot build

[lost gale]

well chaos bolts is by far the best dot application skill acolyte has access to

fissure has indirect bolts but not on lich

[round trail]

Really? I thought it's going to be harvest

4% bleeding per int looks crazy amount

[lost gale]

nah each cast of chaos bolts baseline is 4 AOE explosions in a small area that don't have any reductions for ailment application or damage and it casts pretty fast

[round trail]

Ah I see

[lost gale]

there's a helmet affix which at T7 gives up to 70% chance for direct casts of chaos bolts to have +3 projectiles

so you apply tons of ailments just through hitspam

and chaos bolts can also indirectly cast bone curse, harvest & rip blood

[obtuse quest]

Harvest is one swing. Chaos Bolts is 4 hit min per cast, making all your % chances worth 4 times as much

You don’t have the attack speed ever to hit more often than chaos bolts

(Or just combine both lmao)

[lost gale]

both skills have pretty bad damage multipliers for ailments unfortunately

[round trail]

Hmm chaost bolt have mana gain? @obtuse quest

[lost gale]

yes, on cursed enemies

[round trail]

Also does this blood tithe node

Stops consuming hp if I use death seal?

Actually looks good I want to try this skill

[obtuse quest]

In theory.

[round trail]

Ok I'll cook this

I am interested on the node after ice conversion

More physical dot per cold res

[round trail]

Hmm but the 50% physical penetration from harvest looks too appealing

[cinder junco]

Is there any other way to make Drain Life deal more damage per laser? I'm running Stygian Coal Lich and my Drain Life is only up to 13k (on the tooltip) while Rip Blood is only up to 9k, a far cry from Sentinel Smite, Judgment, or Devouring Orbs.

Current Int is at 180 (level 80+) while crit multiplier is only at 200% or something I think. My endurance is too low so I can't tank a lot of things and get interrupted frequently

I'm comparing my Lich to my Warlock (Wheel of Torment Fissure) and the Warlock can comfortably survive up to 300 corruption, while i'm struggling with the Lich at 100 corruption.

[round trail]

I mean sentinel got it's rework so ofc they are superior just wait for next season and acolytes will get reworked

[obtuse quest]

Do you have max mana and upkeep your mana? Beams do more damage depending on your current mana.

Rip Blood also isn't for damage, it's for mana and the flat spell buff. (Alternatively, never trust tooltip dps)

[round trail]

I agree never trust tool tip

I remember how my smite have 2m dmg on tooltip but it's actually weaker

Meanwhile my eq have 200k but damages around 10m per tick

[cinder junco]

Eq?

[cinder junco]

I'm aware not to trust tooltip DPS, but its better than saying "My Drain life lasers only top out at 5k, crit damage".

Do I have max mana? I... Think I do? Kinda hard to keep track with moving around, looking at lasers and stuff... Any tips? Just keep mana high?

[cinder junco]

Sounds like I should just keep the lich in storage and bust them out again next season. Lol.