💀┃acolyte

[drifting idol]

i mean he himself did not

its the spring rain part that is used for p0rn writing

[finite galleon]

Ohhh, in that sense, I see

[drifting idol]

yes...

👅

[finite galleon]

Hmm, yes, I can see why. Been a while since I was last with a girl. I've uhh, I've given in to femboys these days. Not much of 春雨 going on there.

Anyway, enough about my private life, let's talk about racially motivated rants

so basically

[drifting idol]

i will dm u

[finite galleon]

Alright alright

[north summit]

Wraithlord build vs. Abomination - anyone run both in S2?

[finite galleon]

There's still hope Moofy. In abomination we trust.

[north summit]

但最终哪种版本的整体性能最好？

[finite galleon]

wait this has been a chinese server all along???

[north summit]

我觉得用你的母语跟你交流会更方便。话说回来，你这赛季玩过憎恶和幽灵吗？

[finite galleon]

Ahh I see. I appreciate the attempt Moofy, but uhh, english will do just fine (in fact i'm just worried that we might get banned for this)

anyway last I played wraithlord was in 1.0, and rather briefly too

abomination is something i've been playing for a while now, on this patch as well

What's your end goal btw?

[north summit]

Yah so far in S2 Abom has been the best build I've played.

Oh just casual fun endgame.

[finite galleon]

Abomination is the epitome of fun, yes

whereas wraithlord just sucks you dry. It is completely devoid of joy, of soul.

Btw what are your usual sac fodders to your abom

[north summit]

Skeletons+Mages

9 Skeletons and 5 Mages

[finite galleon]

Oh so you're on age of undeath? That's fine too I suppose

[north summit]

I'm running Plague idols for clear. But not sure what you mean "Age of Undeath" - what do you use to build your Abomination?

[finite galleon]

Age of undeath is that one node on the abomination skill tree that stops its decay at the cost of restricting its sac fodders to skellies only

[north summit]

oh yah I pretty much have no decay

And yes, I have undeath.

[drifting idol]

we are legion

it might not even be a joke tbh

in all honesty i should start try to gear for necromancer or warlock

this whole lich thing is not working out rn

either this or i just start doing ES Vknight 💀

[north summit]

Yah honestly can't find any other builds I enjoy as much as Abomination heh. It's just.... so damn good...

[drifting idol]

Snapshotting is gonna be a no from me dawg

[north summit]

I don't' snapshot.

Abom without Snapshot is awesome.

I don't need to kill uber abby heh.

[finite galleon]

So uhh, the limiting factor here is your skill slots. As you start channeling your abom, you have 4 slots contributing to your minion type count. A standard setup would be golem, skelly, skelly mage, and wraith on these 4 slots, providing 4+3+4+3 = 14 types. Abomination itself and skeleton vanguards are no brainers, so that's another two types. Zombos have the unique property of not vanishing when you switch it off of your skill bar after summoning it, so that's 17 types.
Then you can start looking at speccing and despeccing to grab corpse parasite for 18 types, revenant off of your passive tree for 19 types, and crab/vine/book minion/relic mercenary/belt bee from your items for at least 24 types, maybe more depending on your book minion luck

Okay in that case I typed all this for nothing

rip me

[finite galleon]

Easiest necro of your career

[finite galleon]

wait nvm

[north summit]

Not at all - good to know how to max it out for those who want to snapshot.

But is it the base types or the total count of the base types?

[finite galleon]

i don't quite understand this question

[candid escarp]

do de do, exploding monoliths, got to get the blessings

[north summit]

OK so what I mean is when building the Abom is it the COUNT of the minions you absorb, or just the different TYPES (e.g. would 1 of each type be as effective as 3 of each type?)

@finite galleon

[finite galleon]

Count is limited at 20. My own testing shows that effective types go at least up to 23. In game text has no indication on there being an upperbound on the number of types, but another abom player called Henrik has tested a bunch with very high minion count, in which case abom seems to kick out earlier minions to make room for later ones. So to play it safe I try to summon one copy of each minion if I can nowadays. (Mostly because I really can't be arsed to test where the limit lies)

[north summit]

gotcha - BTW my Abom doesn't absorb Wraiths or Golem.

[finite galleon]

Yeah cuz of age of undeaht

it's fine to run age of undeath, but eventually when you're trying to do some of the hardest content, you gotta drop it to go big, even if just momentarily

or don't. It's up to you

[north summit]

Gotcha; but can you get 100% sustain without it prior to endgame?

without snapshotting?

[finite galleon]

yeah you can rather easily do most content without snapshotting

[north summit]

What I mean -- is a non-undeath build viable from level 50 onwards? How''s the abom sustained?

[finite galleon]

Oh then you gotta constantly resummon it

Unless

you're willing to exploit the age of undeath trick

which is that you first summon a big abom without age of undeath, with one spare point left in your abom skill

then you put a point into age of undeath, switch zones, and wah bam

now your abom has the best of both worlds

[north summit]

Yah I don't want to deal with that heh.

[tawdry rock]

I think going bone curse for the last skill slot on Poison Warlock is the way to go

[north summit]

Interesting Wraith Lord is #1 build in Softcore for Necro (82%) vs Abom (17%). I wonder why that is.

[vivid monolith]

No snapshot

Better clear probably

[finite galleon]

Better clear by far

[tawdry rock]

Yep, this bone curse is what I needed!

[old hull]

Even "non-snapshot" abom still is basically snapshotting. That's like, abom's thing, ya know?

[finite galleon]

Yeah it's kinda funny thinking that next patch without snapshotting, other minion builds' prep time is going to go down from 2 min to 5 sec, while abom's goes down from 5 min to 3 min

[willow lintel]

About hollow lich passive, is using "Burning avarice" give total 120% increase damage?
I'm understanding it's 3% fire + 3% cold + 3% lightning + 3% necrotic then x10

[tawdry rock]

How do I fight Abberoth?

[obtuse quest]

No, hollow lich doesn’t convert damage type specific leech.
Even so, it would only count as 6%, since it converts the affix itself.

[obtuse quest]

You mean how to access him or?

[obtuse quest]

Also how does bone curse help apart from the 4% mastery damage boost?

[willow lintel]

Sad. I'm trying to make a witch fire build but there is not enough information in the game

[tawdry rock]

The only other way to get decrepify:

ghostfire skill was too clunky

also now grants kill threshold and bone armour

[obtuse quest]

Pretty sure there’s a witchfire build guide in letools.

[obtuse quest]

Oh, that makes sense.

[obtuse quest]

Kill threshold only counts if the target is hit and you trigger bone curse’s damage.

[tawdry rock]

yea, the fissure is doing hits

[obtuse quest]

Then that’ll work.

[tawdry rock]

at least for bosses its consistent

[willow lintel]

Oh i found it. Thanks o7

[tawdry rock]

Yea, do you like have to kill all the harbingers?

[old hull]

Yes, continue on the Forgotten Knight's quest chain, you'll end up going through each unique harbinger

[obtuse quest]

Yes.

[tawdry rock]

What a grind...

[dense palm]

Jesus Christ Wraith lord might have ruined this game for me. This build feels so damn goooooooood

I'm gonna be chasing this high in every single ARPG from now on

[obtuse quest]

Get one timeline to 300, use catch up to speed run the other timelines, much faster.

[tawdry rock]

ahh ok

[wintry flame]

it's a shell of it's former self

[dense palm]

Bruh how I'm dealing like 50k dmg a hit and I'm not even in empowered monos yet

It must have been EXCEEDINGLY broken before then

[obtuse quest]

Oh ABSOLUTELY

[obtuse quest]

But to be fair, anything works before empowered.

[dense palm]

Not anything does 50k a hit

[obtuse quest]

Not early on, but later? That's pretty common.

[dense palm]

Sure

But still, this feels much better than any of the builds I've gotten to this point in the game

[obtuse quest]

Real. That's wraithlord.

[dense palm]

I really hope this play style of having one big juiced minion is kept whenever the acolyte rework comes next season

It's really really fun and low maintenance

[gray spear]

Wait until you gear it fully; you'll do over 1M per hit on shades and attack super quickly.
Even so, the damage is super low compared to other builds this patch

[dense palm]

I do hear that the abomination build is all the rage these days, and it does look fun too, but I'm not really trying to get on any leaderboards here lel

I just wanna do all 10 harbingers and regular Aberroth, and then I'll consider it done for this season probably

[stark copper]

this is an update to the first build I've made myself. is this build any good? do y'all think it would work?
https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/planner/zr4mg040

[obtuse quest]

Sorry but what’s the core idea here and why is it all uniques?

The only focus I can see out of this is fire?

[stark copper]

I really like the Chronicle of the damned item and wanted to do a fire based build around it paired with soul fire. So hungering souls being the main

[obtuse quest]

There’s a better unique weapon (fire starters) and I don’t think the gloves or the body armour are worth it.

And honestly this build looks like it’ll suffer like heck during bossing

[stark copper]

I wasn't sure if starter or this was better.

[stark copper]

That was a worry I had as well

[obtuse quest]

Starter has an additional % more fire damage mod

[obtuse quest]

Unless you actually change the setup i don’t think you can do much about it

[stark copper]

What would you recommend?

[obtuse quest]

The easy fix would be to use Curse of Preserverance. But that’s a two handed staff.

[deep elk]

SO i've come into alot of gear for some build called Stygian coal Lich

[stark copper]

Fun build

[deep elk]

folks telling me i have to do something called snapshotting

[devout relic]

Got into 100 corruption with torment, and it feels quite rippy

The only other stuff I saw was snapshot minions

Is there anything significantly better?

Heard of people doing like 1k corruption and I cannot fathom

[stark copper]

Don't focus on snapshotting, it's an unintentional thing that the devs are looking to fix. Tbh it's tedious to do snapshotting

[deep elk]

ahh ok

having fun playing VK but grinding for T7 affix's kills mah soul lol

[obtuse quest]

Snapshotting is only really notable for minion builds. Non-minion snapshotting is bascially “skills casted while you have a buff keep the buff for the whole skill duration”

[deep elk]

ahh ok

i was just looking at this Coal build it isnt a minion build

[obtuse quest]

Snapshotted minions are the top. A geared coal lich and a well geared witchfire warlock can also hit high corruption

[obtuse quest]

It is not. It’s just a gear dependant build

[deep elk]

arent all builds gear dependant XD

[obtuse quest]

Most builds are much less gear dependant than others. Coal lich feels terrible without good gear.

[deep elk]

that's fair

Where in the world does ladle drop

gotta look that up

[obtuse quest]

Exiled Mages

[solid totem]

Snapshotting is like drinking all buff potions for 5 minutes before entering into a fight haha

[hidden zephyr]

With that in mind when should i swap into stygian coal? Rn im a warlock

[obtuse quest]

When you got the gear to hit 100+ int and 200+ mana

[deep elk]

Well them to farm Stygian coal

Hope it don't take to long lol

[vivid kernel]

Faced this wall as a bleed warlock too, skill tree/passive progression mostly ends and it’s all gear. It helped a lot to get the uniques I needed with 1 LP.

Then again it’s my first character on a homebrew so maybe some builds can clear 300c with blue eqs or smth

[strong hollow]

At lower corruption you can easily get away with ~50 int / 150 mana

DoT Stygian is quite strong still at that point 😄

I suspect you want more if you are going crit.

[obtuse quest]

Considering the only coal build guide out there is for crit, pretty much

[strong hollow]

Not sure which guide that is 😄

I'm gonna guess Maxroll

Maox has a vid for Poison DoT which can be used with Stygian and transition to crit later

It's pretty much the same thing he's been playing for years

[drifting temple]

crit version in prime rn. blood mage gloves/new uber relic halped a lot

[teal needle]

\o/ really happy with that. Only missed the necrotic res

(the sealed is useless but it was that or risk the 50/50 annul on t7 chthonic)

[drifting temple]

sealing useless garbage is totally fine

[obtuse quest]

Sealing useless low tier affixes is like it’s main use lmao

[solid totem]

Aiming for good sealed affixes however is a pain even with 60+ forging potential

[strong hollow]

Clearly, sir, you are not a gambler

[teal needle]

been burned one too many

and honestly the void res isn't so bad, it lets me get crit multi blessing and still be caped

[solid totem]

Its aite use it until you get better

[wheat dust]

will bleed leech with those 2 abilities?

[solid totem]

I believe only the 2nd, as bleed doesnt count as a hit

[wheat dust]

yeah, fair point

Do all those fancy Warlock DoTs like Torment, Damned etc count as spells?

[solid totem]

Torment yes damned no

[frigid mural]

so, i'm running a torment build taken from the maxroll guide but it shows crit strke multiplier as the best stat for the weapon, catalyst and relic
how come? i don't see any source of crit chance except acid skin, is crit multiplier that strong with no other source of crit? how much difference is there from necrotic or damage over time?

[obtuse quest]

Oh dear, someone didn’t read their skill nodes.

[vivid kernel]

does exsanguinous just not mix with valdyr’s chalice? If I’m not wrong you want to have high max hp with low regen, optimally no leech/healthgain.

Both are great items for bleed warlock but don’t work well together

[obtuse quest]

Nope. You don’t want leech or health gain while playing exsang/ low life.

But it’s technically a fixable problem. Have you heard of the Lich node “Hollow Lich”?

[raven marten]

boys just wanted to post, cof whiplock killed uber abberoth

[obtuse quest]

Nice. To be fair that’s not too surprising after what we saw dread do to abberoth with it. (Stunlock)

[raven marten]

the stunning actually aggravated me in the last phase because he goes from free dps to interrupting and doing obnoxious moves

such as the blue blackhole shit

[vivid kernel]

Oh yea I saw that but, the chalice has another component with health gain on kill, being literal I guess “leech” does not cover it?

Shame really, would enable some low life shenanigans

[obtuse quest]

It does not.

(Which is the whole reason why old torment builds ran twisted heart for the health to ward affix)

[vivid kernel]

I will admit it’s pretty entertaining putting exsang on and watching my hp fly to max while attacking, then seeing the ward struggle to compensate

[dense palm]

Hey chat, what's the best way for me to hunt for an armor with t7 summon wraiths in it?

[obtuse quest]

Imprint an armor with it. Before that? Mark it in your loot filter and pray to rngesus

[dense palm]

So before I get one with that all I can do is hope to Jesus, got it

Not worth it to get like exalted armor prophecies or something?

[vivid kernel]

I would imagine that is part of praying to jeezus

But I don’t think you should go out of your way to complete them. Some are such a pain

[dense palm]

I see I see. I spent so much time looking at class guides I now realize I know very little about endgame item chase and crafting lol

Gonna need to study up on all that

[obtuse quest]

If it doesn’t cost you, sure I guess

[dense palm]

Huh, apparently the play is getting an exalted armor with t7 anything, putting a shard of summon wraiths in it, and rune or havoccing

[fervent basalt]

yeah sadly all minions builds i have checked are underwhelming without snapshotting

im gonna farm wraithlord gear from my main and give it a go after i got some stuff,

[obtuse quest]

Oh yeah, havoc is also a choice

It’s still rng, but still-

[dense palm]

Jesus Christ people have crazy standards huh

I guess I will too once I hit like super endgame, but still.

[fervent basalt]

well first prophecy proc, that was easier than expected

[fervent basalt]

nah man its just i cant find a build progress after 100c

farming plague idols and gonna try abom without snapshotting, then wlord

and im not looking for some super endgame build, 500c is enough

[dense palm]

That's insane

I am currently playing wrajthlord and while I'm still in regular monos I'm fairly certain I could play up to like 200c without any upgrades

And I still don't even have most of the build, just some decent affixes ig. Wraithlord kills like empowered nemesis and champions in 2 or 3 hits

[fervent basalt]

yeah cause you have gear for wraithlord duh

im gonna try it it looks good yeah, only non snapshot minion too appearantly

[dense palm]

This is a solo-character found run

But fair enough

[fervent basalt]

did i say

otherwise man

im playing cof too, got like x4 wraithlords in first prophecy, didnt knew its too easy get i wish i got it sooner

[candid escarp]

the biggest weirdness about this build is I literally don't cause damage myself

I couldn't kill basic trash XD

[dense palm]

i got two prophecies to try and farm the helmet and i ended up getting it as a random drop before either of the prophecies were fulfilled lmao

[fervent basalt]

yeah i mean thats pure minion build for you

[dense palm]

they weren't kidding when they said it was easy to get

[fervent basalt]

lmaoo

[fervent basalt]

i got intimidated when i saw the drop chance

[dense palm]

ye i thoguht i was gonna have to farm runes of ascendance or something. I was playing skelleton archmage and i was going to be doing that untill i got the helmet, i'm glad i got it quickly because i was doing like 1/10th of the damage

[fervent basalt]

i tried that build too but felt pretty underwhelming nfl

abom is very good but is melee and cant clear

[dense palm]

bro that build is legit worse than their outdated levelling build. Maybe it gets good once you get all the uniques it needs like the sword and the liche's scorn, but nobody should be playing that straight into monos

speaking of the abom build, i see yall talking about some sort of tech using plague idols, but the maxroll guide doesn't say anything about that, where did you learn it?

[fervent basalt]

dude ong

my exact

experience

[fervent basalt]

well its cringe

you go in planner and check mapping snapshot build

on item sets

and the gear you see they equip after they summon minion

[dense palm]

oh i see the idols now. I think i have like one of those. Man, what really puts me off of the abo build is not even the equipment snapshotting, but it's the expectation to keep changing ur skill bar

[finite galleon]

Oh yeah abom without snapshotting can go up to 900c alright, higher than that I haven't tried.

[finite galleon]

NOT ONLY DO WE NEED TO SWAP SKILLS, WE NEED TO SPECX RESPEC AND DESPEC AT ALL TIMES WOOHOO

which is based

[dense palm]

do you have a guide or a planner for this version of the build? I'm mostly interested in what skills they keep when not snapshotting

[finite galleon]

Funnily enough that's what ppl are actually after if they're using infernal shade as a buff. They unequip everything with int on it, then cast a infernal shade that'll only hover around 100 a tick. (Or lower, Zeckar for exampled used cleaver solution to make his int go to shit kekw)

[finite galleon]

by not snapshotting do you mean the tanky setup once you're done snapshotting?

[candid escarp]

I mean I'm still an extremely active part of the build, constantly summoning new waves of zombies, and throwing out chaos bolt splatters to detonate them, leave blood splatter buff pools on the ground, and proc apogee. there's also a lot of freezing going on arbitrarily XD

[finite galleon]

noice

what's your next big upgrade btw

[candid escarp]

I am, however, very clearly a side character in the hot new isekai 'I was reincarnated as an overpowered skeleton minion in another world'

[dense palm]

heck thats smart

[candid escarp]

I don't know at the moment, I'm just clearing out monoliths to unlock the blessings and getting levels

[finite galleon]

you uhh, you been watching too much isekai

[dense palm]

eh like i said before i just don't wanna be switching my skills constantly. I'm fine with some vague degree of equipment swapping

[finite galleon]

Ohhh that huh

[dense palm]

for me i think it would be getting a 1lp death rattle since i have an amulet with t7 minion damage to slam. Also getting a last steps of the living to finally switch into low life set-up

[finite galleon]

in that case no, I don't have a planner. I have a planner for the abom channeling step, a planner for the lich's scorn dread shade step, and a planner for the tanky step, all of which don't function on their own

[candid escarp]

I did just get a commanders fleshbound tome which was really nice

[finite galleon]

aintnoway after remembering skill nodes by their names, you're now doing the same to items and item mods

that's crazy

[candid escarp]

no i just am playing right now

[finite galleon]

I can't even remember if a dude's name is Hans or Hank 2 minutes after he introduced himself to me

[dense palm]

welp, maybe i should remain more of a wraithlord type of guy then 😭

build requires no funny business, just gonna stick with it then

[candid escarp]

this thing could absolutely be better but I think this is my offhand base unless theres a better version at lv 80ish

[finite galleon]

Here comes the point where I remorselessly shove all three planners down your throat

[finite galleon]

Wait, so we aren't going with legendary items?

[candid escarp]

ive looked at off hand uniques and I'm not sure there's something actually better

[fervent basalt]

Nope he means literally 0 snapshot,

[finite galleon]

smoge

[finite galleon]

Well there's that Incorrect History book that you already have

[fervent basalt]

I mean you can just play scorpion if you like map gameplay rather than dummy dps thing

no snapshot and insane clear, you cruise at 1k corr

[dense palm]

Nah look look, if snapshotting was as simple as switching a few pieces of gear with minion dmg and +lvl to minion skill into some tanky gear after summoning? That's relatively fine (though I'm never gonna do it perfectly). But I will not play a build that has me constantly respeccing skills. That's where I draw the line

[fervent basalt]

mage has si

simple neck swap but still weak XD

[candid escarp]

yeah the history book is like the only thing with a chance at competing, just this base has so much int, minion health and minion damage

[fervent basalt]

yeah equip and deeuip half a stash of gear, respeccing gicing points etc

thats insanely cringe

i mean rogue skeletons are insane build too but it requires snapshot so no one plays

[dense palm]

It's just really scummy to me to do with with skills, specifically. Doing it a little bit with items feels more like clever use of game mechanics. Like swapping a death rattle for that necklace that gives frenzy every few seconds, that seems perfectly fine for me

But like switching gears for every skill ur gonna cast and constantly respeccing skills is SO cringe lmao

[finite galleon]

10 minion flat spell damage is going to be quite a bit more dmg than the percentage increased minion dmg, although it is true that 16 int do be juicy. Btw if you're fine with just a tiny teeny bit of snapshotting, Lich's scorn can be the stone cold nuts

[candid escarp]

I do have one of those, why would I want to change dread shade to cold?

[fervent basalt]

yep

[finite galleon]

How about after summoning your main pet, you despec the pet skill itself as well and spec into 5 utility skills?

[fervent basalt]

blame maxroll they know this is unintented mechanic but only necro minions skills are with snapshots

[dense palm]

Is that true? I have been using a wand with 100% minion damage, but I have a scepter with t6 minion damage on it, would that be better?

[candid escarp]

this is exactly why theyre brutally murdering snapshotting in S3.

[fervent basalt]

they should

this is unacceptable, do maxroll managers really follow the game, or even play

[dense palm]

It seems like such an easy thing to fix too. Just cause all your companions to be de-summoned when you switch gear

[fervent basalt]

like lets say im a new player, i want to play minions

and maxroll is really good guide websitre

im a ultra noom with 5 hours into game

and there is a leveling guide that will screw me over cause of gold requirement for respec, and minion builds that require snapshot

?

[finite galleon]

Dreadshade to cold is actually going to be an upside with how much cold pen you're getting out of Lich's Scorn. The cold damage still gets added to your profane oblation, albeit fixed as the cold type

[candid escarp]

so its one of those 'weird mechanics things' I dont understand yet?

[finite galleon]

Bit of a cliche answer, but it all depends on how much flat and percent increase you already have, and what the added dmg coefficients are of your pet's main moves

[dense palm]

Ye all be honest, the best maxroll minion guide I found is one they literally archived. All 3 guides they are advertising for this season don't sit well with me. Abo is full of snapshotting, archimage skele needs more gear to work than they let on, And I'm not even gonna comment on that INSANE wraith build they have with like 150 actions per minute

You literally have to be overdosing on Adderall to play that 😭

[candid escarp]

mine works disturbingly well >_>

[fervent basalt]

XD

yep

blame lizard_irl ngl that guy is out of touch

[dense palm]

To be fair to him, he does say you have to be insane to play the abomination build in his video

[candid escarp]

if you wanna see what my nonsense be up to, the skills are basically final now

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Uratoh/character/Hetake

[dense palm]

"do you want to be the strongest, but everything sucks?" Is like straight up a quote from that video lnao

[stark copper]

Is anyone here good at making loot filters? I just did my first build and I want to test it and have a loot filter for it but I've yet to dip my toes into making loot filters

[dense palm]

well, here's what my stuff currently looks like: https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Rathna/character/Ruanka if you care to take a look

[wintry flame]

None of them are really minion players especially on necro.

[dense palm]

i am pretty lost about what to do with the weapon slot at the end of the day

[finite galleon]

Profane oblation is a necrotic spell, so it turns all untyped flat minion spell dmg to necrotic, and all typed ones retain their types. Both untyped and typed flat minion dmg get multiplied by its added dmg coefficient.

[fervent basalt]

I mean its on devs really, there is build variety? ofc but outside of wraithlord and 1-2 snapshot builds rest is trash

[obtuse quest]

It’s much better to make builds on a per build basis

[dense palm]

i'll b real, i'm not actually sure that's true. The levelling build worked out so well, it really makes me think you can make a lot of different things work

[wintry flame]

I mean bad in what way. I think there’s a lot unexplored on Necro still lmao

[obtuse quest]

To be fair, profane mages is pretty okay

[candid escarp]

I am amazed at the amount of thought I've been able to put into this build.

[dense palm]

how do you guys learn about things that are not on maxroll ong

[wintry flame]

But ye most minions are bad in current state

[stark copper]

I really like the golem build

[wintry flame]

I play em and make vids lmao

[obtuse quest]

Letools, actually yapping in this channel, and stupid amounts of testing

[candid escarp]

like 'why is he a death knight'? because I want him to run up into melee range so dread wraith buffs the zombies.

[finite galleon]

TESTING WOO HOO

[wintry flame]

Poison skele rogues is no snapshot and good. Crit is okay with no snapshotting

[dense palm]

see, my instinc tells me there are other things that would work, but my peabrain is not good enough to actually come up with them

i need the handholding

[candid escarp]

initially it was because I thought death knights could cast MY hungering souls, but he got to stay a death knight because of the melee range zom buffing

[dense palm]

for instance, i've been following this build for wraithlord https://www.lastepochtools.com/build-guides/keepers-wraithlord-necromancer but it's not even updated for tombs of the erased

[wintry flame]

Im sure there can even be improvements to typical builds. Like no one really explores on necro aside from a handful of people

[fervent basalt]

i need to check it out, link?

[dense palm]

so i have no clue if there's something better or not

[obtuse quest]

To be fair other than one unique amulet I don’t think it’ll change much

[dense palm]

wait, we don't use death rattle anymore?

[candid escarp]

I mean I'm using it and also mine is shit XD

[obtuse quest]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ge1-mCJBulQ
like this

[fervent basalt]

looks nice

[obtuse quest]

There’s a new amulet that gives a random minion the amulet’s stats and frenzy. Not sure if that’s good enough to swap

[fervent basalt]

lmao this actually looks fun

is this starter viable?

[wintry flame]

Yes

Starter vid from last season on my YouTube @fervent basalt

It’s probably the smoothest necro leveling build too

[candid escarp]

I'd call mine semi-starter viable, for as much nonsense swapping I did around stuff it's actually straightforward to level

start specing rip blood, then raise skeletons at 8, switch to mages when you get it and rush death knights so they replace your frontline, spec zombies at 20

[fervent basalt]

thanks man ill check it out

[candid escarp]

then dread shade at 35, chaos bolts at 50

[finite galleon]

Ay yo looks pretty deece (not that I'm a wraithlord expert). Even when factoring in the cast speed, i still believe a t6 flat spell dmg mod is going to be more dmg. Btw don't forget to switch to pernicious pact on dreadshade once you hit a wall with bosses.

wait no nvm

i remember someone saying

doomed wrath not working on wraithlord

dunno, can't confirm, i'm clueless

[dense palm]

thanks, my dmg deff feels great, i just need to get a good last steps of the living and then i can switch fully into the low life setup

[finite galleon]

Noice. Do you already have an Exanguinous and a pair of missing health to ward gloves rdy to go?

[dense palm]

i have the gloves, no Exanguinous yet sadly, but as i understand it 2 out of the 3 should be good enough to make the switch

i'll start using the last one when i get it. Don't think it's super worth it target farming Exsanguinous right now unless i super need it

[wintry flame]

I guess I'll do a lil overview of my pre-Golem build. I didn't think Rogues would be so good Next is Golems, then idk I can optimize Abom/Wraithlord maybe or do another skele build, like archers or mages?

[dense palm]

I'd be more curious to see archers, I can imagine how mages would work but I have a really hard time envisioning how archers would work lol

[wintry flame]

I got a little plan for archers

[vivid valve]

Is there a snapshot guide for wraith Lord

[vivid valve]

Can't find one

[pastel pagoda]

[vivid monolith]

Snapshot wraith sounds clunky as shit

[fervent basalt]

why would you want to defile a build like that

[finite galleon]

COME OPTIMIZE ABOM AND LEMME KNOW ABOUT YOUR HOTTEST NEW TECH REEEEEE

[finite galleon]

kinda true, kinda true. 15% last steps with 1LP is kinda easy to get too, gl

[dense palm]

Ye I'm gonna farm it as soon as I get to empowered monos

[wintry flame]

I could...

but do I want to...

[finite galleon]

🥺

[vivid valve]

Lol

I'm just curious how it would be done

Also why does WL build use low life and why not at least snap shot weapon for double shields

And julra and and red rings

Is there an updated WL build guide?

[vivid monolith]

Not really any changes from keeper's, no

[vivid valve]

But that seems dated

Missing new gear and no snap shotting

I guess everyone only been doing Abom

[vivid monolith]

¿ again, why snapshot when it can do 5k corruption

[vivid valve]

To do it with worse gear

[vivid monolith]

The issue is that if it dies you are probably dead while gear switching to respawn it

[wintry flame]

I can check wraithlord after Golems

[vivid monolith]

New gear makes little difference

[vivid valve]

But I mean they updated Abom build. I guess it's too much better than WL so no one cares

[vivid monolith]

Maybe new ww amulet if you roll well

Keeper said there's no point in updating until post uber because there's basically no differences for 99% of it

[vivid valve]

Anyone know a streamer doing WL

[wintry flame]

not one that I trust 😛

[vivid valve]

Wasn't ward nerfed so the build should be worse

[vivid monolith]

Doesn't matter at 5k corr

You get one-shot regardless

[vivid valve]

How does the pet stay slive

[vivid monolith]

Pilot skill

[vivid valve]

How? Telpertong?

[vivid monolith]

Yes

[vivid valve]

I see

[vivid monolith]

With the affix for pots refunding traversal cd

[vivid valve]

So that's the highest anyone got this season with WL

Or did they all to Abom

Ill search YouTube for an updated build

[wintry flame]

you can use my snapshot techniques for skele rogues the same for Wraithlord

but bossing is gonna be pain if you use Abom setup

[vivid valve]

What is the regular WL build setup

[wintry flame]

What you mean

[vivid valve]

Like for Abom you gotta summon a bunch of stuff first.

For WL is it just summon wraith and put on the two buffs?

Not enough new guides on this build, I also see the old video he has 20k ward I doubt that's doable now

[wintry flame]

Nah probably can get like 8-10k tho

[obtuse quest]

Considering WL can't eat minions directly, yeah

[vivid valve]

Oh okay. So before I summon him I'll just put on the axe, gloves and rings.

And after he's buffed switch back

[wintry flame]

yeh

Wraith has different update conditions tho

[vivid valve]

Oh

When does he update other than summon and buff

[wintry flame]

so there might be scenarios in which you can't. Idk the conditions

[vivid valve]

I also wonder if it's better to use cleaver and bastion with STR stack. Or Regen and vessel stack with two shields

[wintry flame]

I know sometimes when I was testing wraiths they would update on skill level changes, but I am honestly not sure how it happened or if it happens to wraithlord

Block > armour imo

[vivid valve]

With high strength doesn't bastion get real high block

[wintry flame]

oh with bastion

yeah but it's melee range only

4 meters?

[vivid valve]

And then the int from atr stacking u also get dps

Oh

[wintry flame]

you can get 90%+ block and still have DoT mitigation and such

you get more int not building str

[vivid valve]

I see

[wintry flame]

you lose your int nodes in tree

[vivid valve]

Okay so I'll try vessel and pray for two red rings to put hp Regen on

[wintry flame]

can you put regen?

[vivid valve]

Basically Abom set up

[wintry flame]

idk if you need stats

[vivid valve]

The Abom post snapshot setup

[wintry flame]

oh yeah whatever abom has for defensive gear is likely best

[vivid valve]

Expensive as hell tho

The gloves are 500mill and then two LP red rings

[wintry flame]

lmao I play CoF this league

[vivid valve]

Cof os far better

MG basically no LP red ring x

[wintry flame]

yeah especially if market gets screwed

I got my red ring off the first prophecy I grabbed to farm it

[vivid valve]

I got a red ring on imprinter but only 0 LP drops. It's like playing with no faction

[wintry flame]

bout to get worse with the imprint change in patch lmao

[vivid valve]

Going cof for sure next season

[vivid valve]

What change

[wintry flame]

uniques drop the type not the exact item

when imprinted

it was a bug I guess

[vivid valve]

Wow when is that patcj

[wintry flame]

now lmao

[vivid valve]

Guess it's time to play Oblivion.

I'm not rerolling faction

[wintry flame]

Fixed a bug where imprinted Unique, Set, and Legendary items were unable to result in generating different Uniques or Sets than the imprinted one.

[vivid valve]

That's insane

[wintry flame]

I assume that's what this change is, but we shall see

[vivid valve]

MG can forget about any RR build

[oblique obsidian]

Does an lp1 red ring have a lower chance of dropping compared to a lp0 red ring when imprinting

[vivid valve]

Ya

[wintry flame]

it's the same calcs on drop for imprinted items too, think only thing is FP now that's affected differently with changes in patch notes

oh and maybe WW

[obtuse quest]

Pretty sure imprinting rolls LP as if it dropped normally, so yes.

[obtuse quest]

Yay to the lich players

[prime smelt]

Was wondering what was causing that

[worthy rain]

Hi folks! I'm sure lots of necros are using Profane Oblation. Seems super clear by EHG as a build interaction.
Do you find it starts falling off at higher corruption? more of a leveling build? Anyone have experience with it in the endgame? Thanks!

[devout relic]

What is the meta-ish thing to go for rn?
The Torment WL build is listed in speed, but now in 100 Corruption+ I get into rippy situations and also don't really know what items to look out for/what build to steer into

I know about the Abomination or Stygian Lich snapshot memes, but they sound like they are cheesy/might get bugfixed, and the Endgame/Aspirational gear for the Maxroll Torment Speedfarming build has some insane items from crazy bosses that I don't think I can realistically farm & don't know which other itembuild I should instead try to collect as Witchfire/Torment seem to be ranked really low and I almost feel like I made a mistake with the character choice 💀

[wintry flame]

If normal Archmage can push to 1k then profane oblation should be able to as well

You just have to mana stack to scale I’m pretty sure

[worthy rain]

Cool - thanks for the insight. Definitely a strong node

[drifting temple]

im not sure what do you mean by stygian lich snapshot. stygian is just strong build

also it doesnt matter how builds are ranked. if you have problems at 100 corruption your problems are more fundamental

any build can do 1k corruption

[pearl snow]

1k might be rough for some builds, but 500 & normal Abby I’d agree with

[solid totem]

stygian doesnt have snapshot

[kind forge]

stygian more of a bosser ngl

[devout relic]

Oh nvm I meant the roid mage one, I confused them

I'm just unsure which way to head rn

[willow verge]

any thouths on walorck malatros buiod:

[pearl snow]

Spine is probably the stongest warlock build atm

[narrow path]

I am going over freeze stuff (always loved freezing enemies in any game) and specifically minions.

Skeletons only have the ice arrow which has 6 seconds (or more with extra arrows) cooldown. No freeze on base arrow
Frost Golem has base attack freeze (twice to base damage, whatever the value of this will be), and their extra freeze spell, which is not allowed to freeze bosses though
Frost Mages have their spell which they exclusively use, but low freeze rate.

Anything missing?

[grand cedar]

does the abomination absorb the inherent freeze from the archeres using freeze for arrow nova or just physical dmg from absorbtion

[narrow path]

good question

[grand cedar]

im sure its just phys but still lol

[narrow path]

wish there were a way to make archers only use frost arrows (single shot in this case of course) to make a army of frost archers, would be soooo fun

[grand cedar]

they know we'd be too strong lmao, but more variety than stygian would be a nice cange in meta

[rich frigate]

I am pretty sure it'll be better.

AFAIK, before the patch the game tried to roll the imprinted item, if it didn't hit it then you'd get a bunch of white/trash items. Now instead of the trash items you may get different uniques of the same type

[old hull]

Neither, it only gains generic increased damage and additional base health

at base anyway, then the skill nodes you spec into do whatever they do

[grand cedar]

aw damn

[slender haven]

is this normal every time you zone into a new place

[pearl snow]

no, unless you are changing gear prior to zoning in somewhere I assume

[wintry flame]

oh so it still drops a pile of the unique when it hits?

I read it as instead of dropping the unique when it hits, it now drops similar items of the same type when it hits with the potential of dropping the one you imprinted wrong..

[tawdry rock]

Does anyone know why this amulet is different colour?

Oh I see, there are 3 different variations of this amulet

[obtuse quest]

Yup, one for acid skin, one for penance, one for decreptfy

[obtuse quest]

Nope. Know that it is very hard/impossible to freeze bosses after 300 corruption.

[high smelt]

okay now its really going to be impossible to get LP RR. Whats the best non RR build for Acolyte

[obtuse quest]

All the same builds without RR.

[high smelt]

Which is that? I see Stygian and Abom both use. And nothing is as good afaik

[obtuse quest]

Every build that uses one in Acolyte, works without a Red Ring. They'll just have a lower possible corruption, which is most likely still "Past 500c"

[high smelt]

oh i wanted to do 1k+

guess ill play next season COF or something

[obtuse quest]

Then there's a very good chance you'll need a Red Ring or two.

[high smelt]

ok ill come back next time

[obtuse quest]

10-19% DR is no joke.

[high smelt]

they would nerf imprinting the day AFTER i literally get a RR 😄

[vivid monolith]

Just play wraithlord and don't get hit 👍

[deep elk]

Is their a more effective way of farming Stugian Coal?

or is it just farm the nodes

[obtuse quest]

Nodes, rune of ascendances, praying to RNG

[deep elk]

Wait i can rune it?

Oh yup

says it right yhere >.>

Reading is hard

[obtuse quest]

F

[deep elk]

If i get another Frey's retreat ima scream

1 more quick question is their a better way to farm Alchemists ladle?

[unique crown]

Do you guys think the fire whip fissure warlock is better at bossing than the Marina's warlock?

Warlock is blitzing 900 corruption maps fast and safe for me, but hitting walls in other areas.

[candid escarp]

ok cycle of putrecense is amazing for my build

[chrome mason]

Mad alchemists ladle?

[deep elk]

yea

[obtuse quest]

Fire whip is warlock's best bosser. At the cost of dogwater clear.

[obtuse quest]

Murder as much exiled mages as possible. That's it.

[deep elk]

Well alright then

gotta get on it

i got my Stygian coal

[chrome mason]

Theres a good woven echo (forgot the name) that has 25 exiled mage's in it

[woeful pivot]

Hello, I'm playing Witchfire acolyte, and I wonder when can I switch from Soulfire to Downfall of the Righteous relic ?

[obtuse quest]

Once you can proc witchfire

[woeful pivot]

With both ignite and damned overload, how do I know if I can ?

By testing, and I can. Thanks 🙂

[thick scaffold]

Hmm, at what point am I allowed to spend passive points on the Necromancer specialization? I have free points, but when clicking on Necro nodes on the starting side, zilch happens

[obtuse quest]

Did you have 20 points in Acolyte yet?

[thick scaffold]

nope! derpazoid moment.

[civic wharf]

Hello everyone!
I've always liked the ARPG style but I'm a complete noob. I've been following a build guide but something is odd.
I can't pass 9k damage even with T6.

Can anyone help me to get clear what I'm doing wrong?

[solid totem]

Any build planner?

[obtuse quest]

Gotta need planners and all

[willow verge]

is there a best leveling build to acolyte? or can i just use fissure as warlock

[rich bay]

Hey everyone, I'm considering trying out a DoT build - how easily achievable is that with Acolyte? Or is it worth waiting for this acolyte rework?

[obtuse quest]

DoT is Warlock's whole theme. So yes.

[vivid kernel]

i cant get this to drop aaaaaaaa

shield drop blessing, unique blessing, ran out of envy glyphs, so painful having to farm stability

[rich bay]

Do you expect that it would still be fun, pre-rework?

I'd hate to play through it prior to the rework and then feel like redoing it afterwards haha

[vivid kernel]

ive seen from people commenting that minions would be the focus wouldn't it?

of the rework i mean

but iunno maybe they'll upend everything

[obtuse quest]

It will most likely be mostly untouched, since the rework focuses on Lich and some of Necromancer, and not Warlock.

[obtuse quest]

Lich is the core focus, fixing minion snapshotting is the secondary.

[vivid kernel]

for what its worth, my experience playing a bleed warlock is a little strange

its supposed to be a bleed DOT build, but you get there by stacking cast speed and hitting 100000 times to stack bleed

so it feels more like a hit build in practise

i think if you went the torment route you'd be able to plop a fissure down and walk around waiting like a real DOT degenerate though

[civic wharf]

I'm using this:

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/planner/o771k00f#3

(I don't know if it is a valid planner)

[obtuse quest]

Welcome to standard DoT affair, we stack attspeed/castspeed and just hit 300 times for 999+ stacks and let the boss bleed out.

[civic wharf]

Inside the planner says that the damage should be around 149k, when I pass the mouse over my skill is just 9k LoL

[obtuse quest]

1. Trusting tooltip dps is asking to get lied to.
2. This... looks like the maxroll leveling build, which is known to be a bit weird.

[civic wharf]

I mean, my friend has a mage and is dealing around 300k damage..

This is why I'm thinking 9k is VERY odd..

[obtuse quest]

Well, you're using a leveling build that relies on stacking ailments which is normally not well shown with tooltip dps.

I'm running around 200+c with my biggest single stack dot at 50-70k ticks and that clears trash pretty well.

[drifting temple]

as Kzb said there is no reason to look at tooltip dps as dot build. and also a little one reason to look at it at all

[obtuse quest]

Tooltip DPS is very funny. A tooltip dps wrote 5mil, while in reality it hit for a bit less than 50k dps.

[drifting temple]

its like when sorc played static orb. cast speed was like a major factor for tooltip dps. but in reality cast speed was a worst stat

[olive thunder]

Yo, I'm having a hard time evaluating warlock builds. Theres a ton of options, and no real info I can find regarding how good they are. Currently going for a witchfire version: https://www.lastepochtools.com/build-guides/witchfire-warlock
But unsure if anything is strictly superior or easier to gear for. Is there any resources for this?

[obtuse quest]

Oh hey I was part of the "Check if this is okay" for this one.

More defensive than usual, but is a well and proper WitchFire build.
How to evaluate is sadly mostly experience and knowing how gearing works.

[olive thunder]

Thanks, good to know its not garbage 😄 And it feels good enough so far - was just wondering if there was consensus on an "optimal" build for pushing monoliths.

[obtuse quest]

Most decent builds can break 500c, so 'optimal' is mostly for those that want to break 1k corruption or even higher.

And most of the time those are hell to gear for.

[olive thunder]

Alright, thanks!

[vivid valve]

What's the highest someone here went with Wraithlord for this patch

[obtuse quest]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/build-guides/keepers-wraithlord-necromancer
Keeper claims 5k corruption.

[vivid valve]

This patch?

Need vid

[obtuse quest]

Yes, Scroll down, there's videos at 4k corruption

[vivid valve]

The video dates seem to be pre patch

[rich bay]

Thank you

[cosmic wagon]

Does anybody know how much differnt Wraithlord scales with **int **compared to Minion damage?

[light flower]

any help with either lich death seal or stygian coal? lv 79 all base items for the build in place and cannot handle corr 100, dmg and survivability sucks hard, quite unplayable (items used: mad alchemist, marina's lost, coal, grasp of the blood mage, grimoire, exalts with +to skills, some hp crits).

[worn drum]

im doing stygian coal atm

[light flower]

its terrible to level this up

[cosmic wagon]

You can come on discord and stream i could take a look at it if you want. i played it myself this season.

[worn drum]

you keeping your mana topped off and not spamming drain life?

ususal error i see ppl do

[light flower]

no i use drain life every few sec like designed, spam rip blood for mana

actaully i respecced now into death seal and its much worse hehe

[cosmic wagon]

The thing is Lizard that made the build Said the DPS output is higher if you spam it.

[worn drum]

do you have the 5 points in the warlock tree that converts int to mana = more dmg

[worn drum]

i tried that on dummys but it ramps down alot of you go oom

[light flower]

occultints mind node?

[worn drum]

yeah

[light flower]

not yet

[worn drum]

it makes a huge diff

[obtuse quest]

Int is equal to 4% inc damage

[light flower]

well i dont stuggle with mana in general

just pure dmg/survi

[worn drum]

im running 2 red rings so i cant say i know 😦

[cosmic wagon]

I should agree with you too tho after testing with with a level 100 Lich pretty good stacked gear i still felt spamming it gave better dps output and tbh listening to lizard that have played 1000s of hours of lich and he said the same i trust his judgement.

[light flower]

i have 1 waiting to wear, until i lvl up a bit more hehe

[worn drum]

oh yeah seems lvling is your goal atm 🙂

you can also add an extra ailment with either gear peice or idol for the spoon to make its magic

other then that getting the warlock node and the ring equipped will be night and day

[light flower]

ok ill go back from death seal to stygian gunner rn and lvl a bit up

do you mind post screenshot of the passives or your build?

[zinc flower]

What’s your hp/res like?

[worn drum]

booting game, dont remember closing it

[light flower]

around 1900hp + 600 ward, half res capped, and a few under 75%

[cosmic wagon]

1 int = 4% dmg? Is this this way i should understand it?

[worn drum]

oh yeah do you have blessings for defence?

[light flower]

yeah all ress and endruance

and armor

[worn drum]

my stats atm, im just following the stygian guide on maxroll

[cosmic wagon]

Surviving as a lich with seal,
You 100% need to ress cap everything or close with 60% endurence and crit reduce capped & also have atleast 1 Red ring imo & also have some high health since seal caps it.

[worn drum]

my lightnign ress will half once i get the mana blessing

[light flower]

i use mana blessing also

[worn drum]

also im cheating and using a 1 lp shattered worlds with int on it

[light flower]

alright, ill try with prioritized occultist's mind node

yeah i see your int is crazy

[worn drum]

its deff a big boost, then after there is unclosing wounds

[light flower]

im stll looking for more t6+ int rings to slam it

[worn drum]

1 red ring only has 8 int on it so can go higher

and they are +4 to artributes 😛

bad luck on eggs

[light flower]

mine egg gave me 30 % poison dmg 🥲

[worn drum]

yay!

all bad 😦

[cosmic wagon]

Fx. This is my Infernal Lich build. With Seal i have 75% Armor with almost capped everything other than Poison because there isnt a mop that does poison attacks other than ground attacks that i can out leech.
Endurance is 53 sadly i want to cap this asap. Im doing 627 corruption rn.

I can't use redrings in this build if i could i would.

Give it some time i had the same build as yours and i could easily do high corruption with it tho you need levels and jew few gear pieces more.

[light flower]

i guess ill go back on my paladin ~800corr to farm some more items to boost lich more later on, i just really wanted to play lich

[worn drum]

yeah thats what i did, my VK is maxed out and killing uber, had 57 tabs with shit i could use and slam

[worn drum]

thats some crazy armor

[light flower]

yeah

[cosmic wagon]

[worn drum]

higher then my VK

😛

[light flower]

which passive node do you think is least important from the maxroll guide? As i should focus on occultist and unclosing wounds?

[mystic stratus]

i just wish sentinel wasnt So damn boring

[cosmic wagon]

Im 48% without Seal. Mostly my armor comes from that.

[obtuse quest]

4% increased damage, yeah

[mystic stratus]

otherwise it would be a good alt to work on but damn the ennui

[cosmic wagon]

i would assume Tier 7 minion damage would be better i guess.

[mystic stratus]

reduce as many passives as possible to get the minimum point bonus i guess, but that is a good question

[worn drum]

on the maxroll guide it wants you to take 10 or 8 points in Elixir of Death, skip that one and take Occultist and Unclosing Wounds as fast as possible, 5 point bonus first for mana

[light flower]

ok

[worn drum]

also if you have a crap ton of CoF favor use the expensive lenses to make the screen fill with rings, great chances of red rings

[light flower]

yes thats how i got first one

i also imprinted it

[worn drum]

is the mana blessing at 200c? or just random?

hate that boss

[light flower]

all random

i just use npc default +60 mana grand blessing from previous char, i dont farm +90 yet on lich

[worn drum]

wait i can use blessing from my other characters? 😮

[light flower]

xd

yeah at npc where you respecc blessings

near mono entrance end of time

[worn drum]

lol wtf i never knew that

[light flower]

it gives you min value of the unlocked ones

[worn drum]

😮

you just saved me alot of time

[light flower]

you just need to kill the mono boss at least once, even not empowered, to unlock the slot on a new char

[worn drum]

i never looked at that npc so could be why 😛

huh if you got the grand ones its still an upgrade even if its lowest roll

[light flower]

exactly

its another EHG 1.2 QoL to respect people time

[light flower]

bruh

i just got right now...the wrong one

[worn drum]

lie to the sanctum thing _P, they wont know 😛

[light flower]

xd

i presuade julra for a free upgrade

[worn drum]

by letting her live lol

[light flower]

maybe she cant recognize the player in reaper form

[worn drum]

fixed it

amazing drop !

[leaden warren]

anyone playing whip warlock?

[vivid kernel]

aight this weaver node is insane

[cosmic wagon]

Yes

I have one, Even killed uber with it.

[leaden warren]

can u share your lootfilter? please

[cosmic wagon]

My lootfilter is extreamly shit. like the worst.
I could just tell you want you needed instead. You cant use mine i have like 5 differnts builds inside mine.

[leaden warren]

my plan was to get one from warlock and include heartseeker, multishot and necro stuff lol

[solid totem]

Is anyone getting notification that your skills have been unallocated everytime you change zones after the new patch lol

[cosmic wagon]

Happens to me when i go the CoF place.

[atomic atlas]

fastest speedfarm build? 300-500 cor?

[cosmic wagon]

Warpath, Torment warlock. Lich infernal warlock. Bonk strike build. You can see the Speed farming on maxroll.

But for Acolyte its probably torment.

or lich infernal.

[vivid valve]

Had infernal crit killed Uber? Or does gaving to use set gloves make or too weak

[atomic atlas]

torment with marinas? is wheel bad

[solid totem]

Minion upkeep is a bit difficult with uber abby

[cosmic wagon]

Mostly people going Marina's Lost Soul. I have seen some Wheel tho.

cant say if bad bad. i havent tested it.

[vivid valve]

Did he try two putrid rings

[solid totem]

Not the number of zombies thats an issue, its they instantly die to AOE

[vivid valve]

Ohhh

Lol

I saw anatz take it to 1400 so it seems good outside of uber

And only one expensive item

[solid totem]

Its a good mapper, but its a bit tedious to play

I played it before switching to stygian coal

I think minions just arent for me, they just slow me down with their janky AI

[vivid valve]

I kinda like it other than minion respawn

[solid totem]

Should try it, really strong build, only struggles with uber

But from what Ive tried its definitely doable with it

It has enough damage

If you can manage the minions well

[cosmic wagon]

You talking about infernal lich?

[vivid valve]

Ya

[cosmic wagon]

haha what im playing rn. Having fun ngl. Pretty good build for farming Monos

[swift wren]

This is pretty solid for a 3lp stygian. I'm imprinting to get a few duplicates but should I havoc the necro res to ele res? I feel like necro res isn't super important since we have reaper

[cosmic wagon]

if you can get the Tier 7 on the multi that would be S tier.

[solid totem]

Necro res is pretty dead on lich

[cosmic wagon]

you can try couple havocs.

[solid totem]

And you still have to pray you dont hit double res haha

[swift wren]

lolol facts

So imprint as is, try to get t7 multi, t6 crit/ele

If I succeed, imprint the better version

Then pray I hit?

[solid totem]

yes, if you have spare FP creation rune it

[swift wren]

Oh yeah cause it won't get any better after that

[solid totem]

indeed, so you have 2 attempts

[swift wren]

I have 2x 3lp stygians tbh so 🤞

[solid totem]

yep gl dude

[swift wren]

14/70 and 18/37 lol

[solid totem]

I would reroll the 18/37 first

2 affix legendary stygians are cheap

unless you are on COF

[swift wren]

I'm cof

[solid totem]

aite well then let luck guide you

Hahaha

[swift wren]

I'm not worrid about 2lp stygians

[solid totem]

sorry I mean 3 affix

[swift wren]

Are they really? Damn lol

[solid totem]

1-2 mil tops for em

Need to check for 3LP stygians

[swift wren]

Dang oh well

Welp, outta havocs so gotta farm em now lmao

[lofty socket]

I've been using the Maxroll Acolyte leveing build and really enjoying it. I like the Warlock playstyle with all the dots but it seems theres no really advice on how to continue it on the site, as it just takes you to a bunch of guides for different builds.

Is it just a case that its not viable at all now im level 70? Or is there something else i can transition to?

[solid totem]

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/torment-warlock-guide

Could have a look at torment

[obtuse quest]

If you want to play a game of 'Throw every dot possible but at low damage totals but is carried by two passive nodes', search for bagel warlock

[lofty socket]

I had a look at that, but it seems like a Crit based build, which DoTs cant do (I think?)

[obtuse quest]

DoTs can't crit, but torment has a skill node that makes it scale damage from added crit multi

[lofty socket]

Ok, so maybe thats where i should look.

I tried a couple other builds already but they all felt bad compared to the leveling one (Obviously dont have the gear yet, but still didnt feel the skills).

I'll try respeccing again for the torment one and see how we go lol

[swift wren]

What do you look for in stygian? It's just the implicit rolls that matter, right? 16/70+ ish? Idk the balance btw the two. almost feel like necro dmg is better cause we have so much int elsewhere

[obtuse quest]

Yup, just the implicit. Int is the important one. Necro damage is secondary. Everything else doesn't matter.

[solid totem]

Int > necro damage

[swift wren]

That's what I thought but mel said to reroll my 18/37. I guess just casue that 37 is so atrocious lol

And before you knew I was on cof

[solid totem]

37 is basically lowest roll haha

[swift wren]

sohard to get 3lps on cof though lol

[solid totem]

Yeah just slam it

[dense palm]

I'm moreso starved of the exalted items to slam than of LP 😭

[swift wren]

Same ruanka

[dense palm]

I am so bad at farming t7 affixes for some reason, I have no clue how some ppl get that stuff in their day one of gameplay

[swift wren]

Except for stygian

[solid totem]

Im on MG so I can just buy everything

[swift wren]

Cant slam yet. My havocs ruined me and haven't farmed new ones yet. t7 necro res atm lol

[solid totem]

Except some LP3/4 stuff which rarely pops up

[cosmic wagon]

It really depends what you need.
Fx. If you need Tier 7 Dex. You could use Redemption or havoc to get.
You can use the new runes from wolven to change Tier 7 Str or Int to dex for 1 forging.

[solid totem]

havoc/redemption crafting is king

[cosmic wagon]

If you are CoF you can get the 22 rune favor to get Runes

Dex, int & Str is easy to get now.

in Tier 7,

[dense palm]

So basically if I want t7 +level to summon wraiths I should be farming for any armor with any t7s and then just havoccing?

[swift wren]

That's what I'm going for now. Just haven't been to the prophecies yet

[solid totem]

Much easier to havoc a T7 into the +level affix

Than to find one in the wild

[dense palm]

Well I guess it would also need to have at least one level of summon wraiths already on it

[solid totem]

You can easily craft that

with a shard

[swift wren]

Just rune of removal, craft t1, havoc

[dense palm]

Im pretty sure the only summon wraiths shards I have are the ones in my current body armor lel

[solid totem]

Cant help you there haha

[dense palm]

But that might be worth it, worst case scenario I guess I don't lose that much

[solid totem]

Just find a spare

Dont ruin your current equipment

You might fail the havoc

[cosmic wagon]

Yes Exactly. What im doing rn.
You can also Redemption but thats a bigger gamble.

[dense palm]

Would it be worth it to imprint it in the woven tree?

[swift wren]

Make a filter to highlight those shards and removal em to guarantee more shards

[solid totem]

Imprint high tier affix

Not specific affix

[dense palm]

So I could imprint an armor with any good ol t7 affix?

[solid totem]

preferrably double exalted

with at least 1 T7

and high forging potential

[dense palm]

What is the end goal? If I imprint like t7 health it will have a chance to drop t7 summon wraith?

[solid totem]

you just want consistent drops of high tier items

crafting is much easier when you have the bases

[dense palm]

I see. So for the shards themselves there's not much that can be helped. But after I have a few I need to farm armors with high tiers to craft and havoc

That's the jist of it?

[solid totem]

Havoc/redemption yes

set your loot filter for shards

as in items with any level of summon wraith

[dense palm]

I should sincerely hope the filter I got from the wraithlord build guide had those already but it never hurts to double check

[solid totem]

I heard the loot filter is a bit buggy after the latest patch, not sure if they fixed it

[cosmic wagon]

They did say they fixed the loot filter stuff.

[solid totem]

Oh great

i would add a separate rule just for summon wraiths then

[dense palm]

I'm gonna do that and highlight it in the most bizarre color possible to never miss it lmao

[drifting idol]

this looks funny as hell

any build that does it?

[arctic turtle]

idk harvest / death seal lich

harvest isn't a spell and the leech makes up for the health regen

and the melee attack speed

[pallid dawn]

why doesnt rip blood arcane absorption have a buff icon ?

[solid totem]

beats me, it is hard to track

[pallid dawn]

so hard to track it sucks

i wish i farmed my 2nd red ring before the patch

now its harder to get aparently even with imprinting

[solid totem]

its always 50%

you get it or you dont

[pallid dawn]

imma go spend my 500k prophecies haha

[white robin]

hi, i'm currently working on a hungering souls shotgun build, anyone know if the damage over time-node for hungering souls affects dots other than the base one, ie. ignite? and does the curse of perseverance-staff's reduced damage for hungering souls reduce the dot damage as well?

[vivid valve]

I finally got one to imprint the day before the patch lol. So no LP ones for me I guess

Now I'm looking for builds that don't use one I suppose

Wraithlord and infernal lich

[pallid dawn]

i got mine as well with 1lp tho so i imprinted that haha, hoping for one with 1lp ill be happy

[vivid valve]

We're you get 1lp just random drop?

[pallid dawn]

prophecies from before patch

i still dont get how patch ruined imprinting :/

[obtuse quest]

Yes, yes.

[drifting idol]

i hate freaking ghost sooo much

bro killed me 1 shot through reaper form

[marsh heath]

anybody playing wraithloard on high corruption ?

[rich bay]

I've played Acolyte for maybe an hour or so, and I'm finding the really early game a bit awkward to get into; nothing seems to be doing much damage, it's all kinda slow or killing me as I use it, I don't want to be in melee, I want to be DoTing targets and moving on

any suggestions for level 10 and around there that works?

I'm just not really sure what skills to get started with

[wintry flame]

Wandering spirits + spirit plague if you want DoT

[rich bay]

thank you

[vivid kernel]

early on i relied on a lot of skeletons

skeletons and you hitting someone with bone curse is pretty potent

[wintry flame]

Bone golem with the flat cold it gets in tree is nice early as well for minions. I actually kinda like rogues too lmao

[dense palm]

I levelled up following the 1.1 necromancer levelling guide from maxroll, it still works perfectly fine and can take you to empowered monos pretty much

It basically relies on bone golem + skeleton arch mages + volatile zombies if I had to sum it up

[icy cairn]

what off hand should i use as a warlock like uniques ?

[vivid kernel]

depends on what kind of warlock

[icy cairn]

this type xD

[vivid kernel]

i was about to say "hey thats me just without profane veil" then i realized how many ways there are to build these skills

[icy cairn]

tbh with u im following a build on maxroll that has full crit multiplier and like 0% chance

depending the bone i do crit

but not as much as the video on the build

[vivid kernel]

oof cant help then, im only familiar with bleeding

[obtuse quest]

Is this torment? It's the only reason you would build crit multi with 0 crit chance.
Bone Curse isn't much of your damage.

[icy cairn]

yeah

I use bone

then just throw everything

but still like i went to uber abberoth

I was not dealing any dmg at all

xD

I think this build limit is like idk 500 corruption ?

[smoky spindle]

guys, after I summon an abomination, the skeleton mages keep summoning only 1 type instead of the 3 that I have, is this a bug?

[icy cairn]

check the skill point i think ui have arch mage

up

[obtuse quest]

That, or it's the stupid lock to one type bug again, relog.

[obtuse quest]

Even though you have access to acid skin which would allow your profane orbs to do much much more than bone curse? Bone curse is famous for not doing enough damage unless you hit 50 times a second.

[icy cairn]

I mean the dmg come with using bolts - vein and the skill line

I see like 20K+ dmg

but like out of 10 hits only 2-3 hits crits

while on the build guide its much more than that

[dense palm]

A bug, was happening to me a lot, reloggin fixed it

[obtuse quest]

Acid skin most likely, which means you need generic increased damage or increased poison damage.

[arctic grotto]

Remove the skeleton mages in your skill tabs and replace it with another skill, tp to the closest town or another non enemy area then return back to the enemy area to resummon your 3 types of skeletal mages again.

[drifting idol]

dropped marina's lost soul

is that even good with lich

[atomic atlas]

wheel /feast is real low dmg vs fissure chaos bolt

unlucky

[atomic atlas]

the cast speed and dmg on ladle is big

[pearl snow]

Marina’s is good for Lock usually not Lich imo

[worldly sage]

Are there any other effective builds for Lich besides "Death Seal" and "Stygian Coal"? I can only find those two on Maxroll.

So is there a certain Youtuber that does up to date Lich videos, that I should know about? In that case please let me know!

[smoky spindle]

It keeps happening, idk what to do about it, even relogged and same problem

[arctic grotto]

It does every now and then, the method I provide works for me everytime. It is also a good way to remove everlasting poison from my abom for another run. You can also try to limit your skeletal mages up to 4 only, I see it works to other players.

[atomic atlas]

the shade one is nice

zombie shade boom

[worldly sage]

Could you DM me a link to where you found it please?

[smoky spindle]

it is already limited at 4

[atomic atlas]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1O2xXdQU-Q&t=1626s

[marble palm]

Is the Leech from Ribbons of Blood for the player or the minions?

[surreal vector]

anyone else experience a ton of lag with stygian?

[atomic atlas]

yea cus my pc sucks

[old hull]

It recovers the minion's health, leech always recovers health of the thing doing the damage

[marble palm]

Okay, thank you

[lament kernel]

what would you say is best relic for minion army?

[marble palm]

I use Vessel personally

Ambition might get your more damage

[lament kernel]

so for more ward then and mana?

[marble palm]

But I like the Ward from Vessel

The mana is whatever, I run it entirely for the Ward

[lament kernel]

yeah feels like all relics have only half or even less stuff is good for necro ^^

[marble palm]

Ambition is great if you can get a good one

[lament kernel]

i have one with hp regen ^^

i like the ward because it makes it easier to see if a big monster had died 😋

[marble palm]

XD

[lament kernel]

can you do ambition in gauntlet of strife?

[marble palm]

Not sure but I don't see why not

[atomic atlas]

its also +1

[snow laurel]

I'm currently stuck at around 140-160 corruption, and while I was originally gearing specifically for Aaron's Torment Warlock but find myself unable to transition due to a lack of T7 necrotic resistances, and I do not know the minimum threshold of necrotic resistance and general survivability stats I need to survive my own curses.

I've also heard that something like Valco's torment warlock might be stronger than Wheel of Torment. Would I be able to scale Wheel of Torment high enough to consistently kill Uber Aberroth, or would it be better to switch to Valco's torment warlock? Here are the relevant build guides:

Wheel of Torment: https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QkV1w1DA

Torment: https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/torment-warlock-guide

[stuck owl]

Warlock, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (7) / Warlock (86)

General:

▸ Health: 3,376, Regen: 28/s
▸ Mana: 213.51, Regen: 11.04/s
▸ Ward Retention: 228%, Regen: 404/s
▸ Attributes: 1 Str / 11 Dex / 83 Int / 1 Att / 29 Vit
▸ Resistances: 100% / 65% / 65% / 65% / 65% / 872% / 89%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 675
▸ Dodge Chance: 6% (185)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 22% (868)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 91%

Used skills:

Rip Blood / Profane Veil / Chthonic Fissure / Chaos Bolts / Soul Feast

[atomic atlas]

wheel isnt that good

fissure/ bolts is damage

[snow laurel]

but can fissure / bolts (which I'm assuming is the volca torment) survive as well? I feel like a glass cannon against Uber Abby would be...a bad idea

[atomic atlas]

for uber abby its lich and whip afaik

[snow laurel]

literally nothing else?

[atomic atlas]

abom

maybe some wraithlord guy did it

[snow laurel]

abom is necro, which if we include that ofc wraithlord

but I'm speaking warlock

[atomic atlas]

single target is bad i doubt it

not even worth the grind to perfect that gear to have a chance

[marble palm]

They're likely the meta, but they aren't the only viable builds

[atomic atlas]

thats why i said afaik...

and hes asking about torment

[snow laurel]

yup, and thank you for giving such a detailed reply 🙂

[atomic atlas]

someone linked an excel pic of the classes the killed uber a few days or a week ago

it wasnt good for acolyte lol

week ago

[marble palm]

Where is the data coming from?

[snow laurel]

EHG themselves

dev stream

[atomic atlas]

torment just doesnt hit millions of dps and its so squish

[lament kernel]

necro with 80 kills isnt good?

[atomic atlas]

i mean its abom

[marble palm]

Also this looks like a very small portion of the player base has even reached Uberoth

[snow laurel]

I thought wraith was the reason necro got to 80 but I've never played it, just heard how high it gets in corruption

[atomic atlas]

abom snapshot is busted

and u can be so tanky

[marble palm]

Considering it is exploiting, I would hope so

[atomic atlas]

with torment u have to drop dps or get 3/4 lps

[marble palm]

Wraithlord is probably the best build not abusing exploits for pushing high corruption

[atomic atlas]

and if u do red rings u lose atleast 80 nec res

and u dont need insane gear for wraithlord imo

[barren lintel]

you need pretty good recovery if you have low dps afaik on last phase so idk if dropping dps would even help you

on ward build

[atomic atlas]

i was just playing wheel and torment set ups rn. not very geared. 700 nec res 400 crit multi 5k ward

single target is so bad with wheel

[marble palm]

It is a lot more AoE focussed for sure

[barren lintel]

i wanted to do some dot warlock because prolif is fun but after trying some setups it was just so meh i went back to lich

[old hull]

Yeah, it says more about what's popular than how many builds are capable of it tbh

which is ofc why necro is the top acolyte one, it is consistently very popular

[vivid monolith]

I'd say yes, idk what else has done 5k this season that isn't somehow exploitative

And WL didn't really get buffed from last season afaik, aside from loot changes

[slender haven]

is there any written guide that explains the mapping minion snapshot for abom?

or vid

[candid escarp]

bleah, I'm lv 81 and half my resistances are trash

[worldly sage]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/om49MvnB

I don't feel tanky and my damage is mediocre at best. What should I change, and what should I keep in terms of stats of; Items, blessings, idols etc. etc.?

I'm fairly new to the build so the biggest part is most likely a "learn to play" issue for me. However there's always room for improvement and this is where you veterans come in.

I'd really appreciate constructive criticism and suggestions if you have any please! 🙂

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 86

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.2

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Necromancer (6) / Lich (62) / Warlock (11)

General:

▸ Health: 2,943, Regen: 13.82/s
▸ Mana: 276.44, Regen: 11.76/s
▸ Ward Retention: 159%, Regen: 22/s
▸ Attributes: 14 Str / 1 Dex / 52 Int / 0 Att / 21 Vit
▸ Resistances: 96% / 97% / 96% / 90% / 79% / 165% / 86%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 48%, Threshold: 589
▸ Armor Mitigation: 24% (860)

Used skills:

Infernal Shade / Reaper Form / Summon Volatile Zombie / Transplant / Death Seal

[drifting idol]

man, watching through the warlock tree actually makes me want to build a warlock now xD

is there any actual double overload build, it looks quite fun

[candid escarp]

is there any synergy volatile zombie's bringing to your build, aside from the pale ox deflection? it's splitting your damage types which can really affect your overall killing power

[worldly sage]

I have honestly no clue why which is why I asked you veterans. I was following a guide a person linked to me on this discord and here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1O2xXdQU-Q&t=1626s

You bring up a very good point aswell, splitting damage types is not idéal in my humble opinion

@candid escarp What do you think I should change?

[candid escarp]

honestly I don't know, lich in general is an annoyingly gear dependant spec since its survival relies on both having enough health that low health isnt one shot territory and enough damage to max out their sealed low health every half second or so

[pearl snow]

If you are doing the crit lich setup, those zombies help spread your Infernal Shade without casting it yourself

its more than just deflection

[candid escarp]

peeks at tree ah, I see

so these arent damage zombies, these are utility zombies

[worldly sage]

Sort of yeah

[candid escarp]

I have been working with damage zombies a lot recently so it's where my mind goes

[worldly sage]

I see

[pearl snow]

Immolators Oblation belt can help pump flat added spell dmg.
I dont think the scaled necrotic dmg on that helm is doing much

Getting a source of shred armor would be nice, I didnt see if you had it

[worldly sage]

Yeah please excuse my gear I have a fairly low budget so I took what I had and went with it, but ok that belt shouldn't be too expensive on the MG market.

Helmet(or some items) with armor shred ok cool, anything else?

[pearl snow]

can get shred on neck

[worldly sage]

kk

[pearl snow]

if you are having issues with Reaper form and transplant sharing cooldowns you can pickup the Unholy Dominion Node on the left side

Drop Necrotic Res shredding on the deal seal tree for "The Quick and The Dead" it'll give you haste afterword which is nice and the shred isnt useful for you main dmg component

other than that it might just be up to mechanically playing better. Death Seal Reaper Form etc.

[worldly sage]

@candid escarp @pearl snow Excellent! Thank you both for the info and for keeping the criticism constructive 👍

[candid escarp]

I'm working on my own build right now I know it can be tricky

[pearl snow]

Anyone who shits on builds in the game is wacky. Build crafting is bis regardless of outcome

[worldly sage]

True

[candid escarp]

speaking of which, anyone wanna help be find some ways to fix my resistances/up durability?

[pearl snow]

Also I made a frostbite chaos bolt build I literally cant talk shit to anyone

[candid escarp]

I have somehow managed to get to empowered monos by running around screaming like an idiot but now server hiccups cause me to explode

so its finally time to stop not fixing my resists >_>

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Uratoh/character/Hetake

the build itself works great though.

[pearl snow]

Mana is rough I take it?

[candid escarp]

no actually

the three for 1.5 zombies thing actually fixed it

[pearl snow]

drop them gloves lmao

[candid escarp]

yeah I'm not sure why I'm wearing them

[pearl snow]

should help a lot

fair

If you never get haste the boots are meh

I dunno necro much

[candid escarp]

I think some of the weaver items were put on to see how they will'd

and I forgot to take them off