💀┃acolyte

[pearl snow]

Torment also has healthy aoe and st

Flame whip is pure st

[vivid valve]

Do you have any recent torment build videos

Of high corruption

[pearl snow]

Youtube does

[vivid valve]

I saw one guy but his dps looked low

[pearl snow]

Compared to?

[solid totem]

Left is better, you don't get much benefit from one more level of drain life

More int is better

[vivid valve]

Oh nvmind Stygian uses red rings.

I'll try torment

[pearl snow]

YOU DONT NEED RED RINGS

[undone valve]

ah okay. thanks

[vivid valve]

What corruption can Stygian do without those?

[pearl snow]

I bet normal abby and 500

[solid totem]

Comfortably Id say

[noble basin]

oh my God

my first Aarons Will, 3LP

[vivid valve]

Wow nice

[north lance]

Make Acolyte great again plz 🙏

[knotty cave]

Normal Abby was easy without red rings

I have 222 int without them atm

Corruption wise, 450-500 is still quite easy

Able to carry a +1 at 480

[vivid valve]

Wow nice

I feel bad I have 5 red rings but they all have the wrong stats 😭

But I'll use something different for now

I might try my Crit shade lich again but dunno, it felt so goofy. Was frequently out of pets to blow up

[delicate belfry]

what builds are you guys running

[solid totem]

Runnin stygian coal

[polar notch]

wraithlord, but regretting my choice, gonna reroll to golems in a bit

[vivid valve]

Hmm wow Crit shade lich is pretty cheap and clears fast. I might finish that up to farm for Stygian items

[polar notch]

wraithlord just half the time doenst feel like attacking a single things, stupid pacafist idiot

[vivid valve]

I have a red rings to put into imprinter but that thing hates me

[polar notch]

same, i have them imprinted for 3 days now, not a single duplication

[vivid valve]

I get them but 0 LP lol. Maybe one a day

I did get 1lp once but I used it on mage so useless stat for these builds

[pearl snow]

hes just a big baby dont insult him

[vivid valve]

We can't use stat rerolled on legendary items right. Like strength into int

[solid totem]

I believe it needs forging potential so no

[delicate belfry]

not being able to be in reaper form all the time is a bummer

[solid totem]

You should be able to sustain reaper all throughout an echo or boss fight

[royal flint]

A question about snapshotting: If I go from end of time to CoF, and then viceversa, and I've already have summoned my minions, do I just need to equip the dmg gear before entering monolith and switch back, or do I need to fully resummoned them too?

[zenith turret]

Still can’t go through 460+ corruption- awkwardly getting oneshot sometimes and stunchained. Im well geared enough, but i feel that i need red rings to push it more

dmg is not a problem but dumb stunchains and oneshots from big guys

fun fact that happens only after im getting 450 corruption. lowering to 447 make me cruise without any problems

[green quail]

what is red ring?

is that the name of the ring? lol

[noble basin]

it is

Red Ring of Atlaria

[green quail]

ahhh ok lol

oooo that one ok

[noble basin]

the rarest ring in the game lol

[green quail]

i bet xD

[noble basin]

0.14% drop chance i believe

[green quail]

o god no lol

ok ill be on the look out for it xD

[noble basin]

yesss haha

[zenith turret]

im really tired to grind them

i already found like all core items with 2 LP, one of them is 3 LP, but zero rings found

[solid totem]

Ascendancy rune?

[green quail]

yea thats when i just go to my prophys i cant spell it and just buy the hell out of ring junk lmoa

yea thats how i got my relic is threw them runes lol

and i was farming the monlith as well

[zenith turret]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/UAzBMoZgDiA im using this one, it makes my transplant do around 240k dmg

[green quail]

iv got a bunch of them lol

i mite give that a go

[solid totem]

Flames of midnight is a good alternative

[green quail]

i jsut saw that

yea mite be good one

[zenith turret]

It cant, becaue imprinted stats also tripled

I have 16 on them, after it procs my int bumps to 280 int

so im grinding 2 lp rings now

[green quail]

for me it wont work as well bc it converts to fire i need poision

lol

[solid totem]

A matter of preference for you, if I didnt have Atlaria I prefer the movespeed and penetration

[knotty cave]

got a planner for ur build?

[zenith turret]

ill try to add it into planner when figure out

[amber temple]

I used herald of pestilence build for leveling and then tried the whip lock and torment lock but had the impression the lveling build was actually smoother in clear and general gameplay.
Is there a proper endgame build like that?

https://www.lastepochtools.com/build-guides/herald-of-pestilence-warlock-leveling

[stuck owl]

Herald of Pestilence Warlock Leveling Build Guide

Game Cycle / Version

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.1

Class

Acolyte / Warlock

Used skills

• Wandering Spirits
• Spirit Plague
• Chthonic Fissure
• Aura Of Decay
• Profane Veil

Used unique items

• Plague Bearer's Staff

Tags

Leveling / Season Starter / Beginner / SSF / DoT

Created by Fycadius · Apr 28, 2025, 11:34 AM

[green quail]

im running a simlar build i mite just sawp to that one seems more done with the build in all

[candid escarp]

I'm still new to 'gearing up', can someone help me figure out what I should be focusing on farming? I know I especially need poison/void resistance, my biggest clearing issue is bosses/champions just don't die quickly at all.

[zenith turret]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QDJJvlRo

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.2

Class:

None

General:

▸ Health: 2,320, Regen: 24/s
▸ Mana: 232.51, Regen: 9.44/s
▸ Ward Retention: 296%, Regen: 12/s
▸ Attributes: 24 Str / 11 Dex / 141 Int / 1 Att / 6 Vit
▸ Resistances: 72% / 72% / 72% / 107% / 77% / 60% / 60%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 44%, Threshold: 464
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (44)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 22% (857)

Used skills:

None

[candid escarp]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Qnee6K9A

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 60

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.2

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (50) / Warlock (3)

General:

▸ Health: 813, Regen: 6.31/s
▸ Mana: 92.72, Regen: 9.6/s
▸ Ward Retention: 100%, Regen: 19/s
▸ Attributes: 1 Str / 3 Dex / 50 Int / 1 Att / 5 Vit
▸ Resistances: 29% / 64% / 29% / 27% / 7% / 45% / 14%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 34%, Threshold: 163
▸ Dodge Chance: 8% (122)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 33% (1,152)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 153%

Used skills:

Bone Curse / Rip Blood / Reaper Form / Transplant / Harvest

[solid totem]

Looks like you need quite a bit more health and armor, and capping endurance

Getting a revenant mask with health % should help considerably

[charred solstice]

Hi all! Which dmg type is better for 70-90 leveling for necromancer though mages and golem. Currently use fire damage with infernal shade and zombies. Previous build was ghosts instead of shade, but since a lot there is no good weapon for fire damage and too much good weapons and accessories for necro damage. Want to change build to any from top 5 from LEtools. Use lazy builds only 🙂

[zenith turret]

i found that flat spell dmage significatly boost the damage

like each +1 spell damage gives +100 dps

[late oak]

does anyone know if Arek's bones mace procs Arek spawn on low life build?

[gloomy cargo]

hey guys anyone got a good farming build for acolyte?

been playing wraithlord up to now but clear is mid

[pearl snow]

Stygian Lich or Witchfire. What corruption level?

[gloomy cargo]

was looking at stygian maxroll ranks it low in clear

[pearl snow]

if you want pure AoE gaming Witchfire is super nice

[candid escarp]

any suggestions for mine or just push to 66 for when I can wear that tier of hats?

[pearl snow]

what do you need to know? at level 60 its not much besides leveling up

[candid escarp]

fair, just feels like bosses take forever to die

[vivid valve]

Best acolyte build that does not use Redrings?

[pearl snow]

No build really needs them. I think Stygian Lich benefits greatly from the attribute stacking but you can still play every build without them

It seems like every guide youve seen so far isn’t to your liking so just make one

[chrome mason]

use death seal

[balmy trail]

Is a build with 5 summons bad?

[pearl snow]

it wont kill uber but it should do okay for normal abby if you push it hard enough

if you are talking about 5 diff types of summons of course

[tender halo]

can anyone clarify does possess still get buffed by damage over time or just spell damage? Or is it just saying that similar to curses posses benefits from spell damage as well

[old hull]

It's spell damage over time so it's affected by both. Back when this tooltip was written, this was a pretty special case, so maybe it doesn't need that clarification text anymore.

[tender halo]

OK thanks

[balmy trail]

Thx, don’t think I’m even anywhere near that only mid 60’s rn

[candid escarp]

kinda trying to figure out where my damage WENT. I used to be reliably critting for 4K or so, and it's dropped to like 1.2

it happened about the end of the campaign into early monolith

[tender ridge]

been kinda bored with my witchfire lock. should I do marrow shards lich or skellies of some variety

[knotty cave]

@pearl snow have you played the single bolt chaos bolt?

put together a chaos bolt build on low life lich.. it is clearing 300 corruption with a full stygian setup so FAR from optimized

[pearl snow]

Not yet, trying to make one atm

Going crit low life

[knotty cave]

ye thats what i am doing

it can be done but it doesnt have enough up front oomph

[tender ridge]

the single bolt node gives you less damage per cast than just having the extra bolts right? Does it lead into anything to offset that outside of popping your zombies with it?

oh it doesn't even lead into the zombie node, it's a deadend

actually it kinda makes the mana node before it better since you're not splitting the multiplier between bolts

hard to say without actually doing math. at a glance it seems like it's stronger on average but doesn't proc as often. makes your mana situation a little more stable at least

[pearl snow]

You get extra dmg per proj that was supposed to happen

Im trying to do mana consumption stuff

Still early stages

[tender ridge]

right but it's less than you would get compared to just having the projectile

50% more damage per projectile is just half the damage of the projectile

[pearl snow]

Maybe, I’d have to check

More is not increased

[tender ridge]

extra projectiles is effectively more

each one is 100% more damage than a single projectile

so if you increase a single projectile by 50% per projectile, then you're getting a smaller benefit than having multiple in terms of raw damage

it would be different if chaos bolts couldn't shotgun, but it can

[fading topaz]

I dont understand the use of Snowblind here?https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oRNnzKLo
can anyone please explain?

[tender ridge]

that is a link to the planner directly

[fading topaz]

oh thanks

[knotty cave]

in my brief testinig, the single one is doing noticably more

only played for like 45 mins tho lol

[tender ridge]

mathematically it shouldn't so I wonder if there's something odd with how it calculates. Like being 50% more multiplicative per bolt

that would still be less than the number of bolts so idk

[knotty cave]

does every single chaos bolt hit every target?

[tender ridge]

most bosses and rares are big enough that it should. trash mobs die to any single bolt if you're doing a hit build

[knotty cave]

at what corruption lol

[tender ridge]

last time I tried was like 400c in 1.0

[knotty cave]

that was a while back lol

[tender ridge]

I did a chaos bolts hit build while I was trying various reaper+death seal lich builds

it was but things have gotten easier since then if anything

[lost garnet]

You're probably equipping Aaron's Will on it without having Aaron's Will snapshotted on your Abom.
Either that or you're doing something with Mages or Archmage. Unlearning Mage skill or speccing into Archmage disables Age of Undeath.
If your Abom ever ticks down from you equipping Aaron's Will, speccing Archmage or unlearning Skelly Mage from specialization, just swap zone to resnap Age of Undeath on your Abom to fix him.

[gaunt drift]

Touche.

[mellow grove]

What's the consensus on 1h Mace with Sinathia's vs Firestarter Torch for Witchfire? @pearl snow

[obtuse quest]

Unless you're using some non standard skill tech (Like fire HS), sinathia's is better.

[mellow grove]

Ah, thank you. Yea I've been running with the Mace but wasn't sure if Torch would be better, seen it in some guides.

[obtuse quest]

Sinathia is generically better, Torch is only better at some specific setups and at enough LP

[mellow grove]

Torch is pretty easy to get high LP, I have like a few with 3LP

Just going to craft on it and compare

[pearl snow]

+1 everything Kzb said

[mellow grove]

Then there are some really bad guides out there lol

[pearl snow]

Yep, LE is a build crafters dream. Some just have nightmares

[obtuse quest]

🤣

[kind forge]

cinder strike nightmares uwu

[obtuse quest]

OH THE HORRORS, I remember making a pillager's gold build last patch and scremaing at cinder strike

[kind forge]

lol

also aura of decay nightmares because its not a spell reeeee

[lean salmon]

Anyone got a link to a twink leveling build for necro

[kind forge]

also cold convert aura of decay when

[obtuse quest]

Ask again in 3months where if that happens I get to throw the ball of propechy at fathertoast.

[kind forge]

lol

[obtuse quest]

Cause he noticed this patch they dropped som vfx thing for Cold Aura of Decay, which we all know doesn't exist.

[kind forge]

lol

[steep prawn]

I am losing Reaper halfway through a mono. Does it mean I need more Leech for sustain?

[obtuse quest]

If it drops while you aren't in combat, you have to move faster. If it drops during combat, get more leech or more damage.

[steep prawn]

More Movement it is, then.

Feels good when I'm combat, but the travel is killer.

[old hull]

If we believe hard enough, we can make cold lich into reality

[steep prawn]

I want to figure out Chantry WS Warlock.

Just because I think with all of what Warlock brings to the table, it's a silly amount of potential damage.

[pearl snow]

Chantry?

[obtuse quest]

I'm sorry the what warlock?

[steep prawn]

Channeled Wandering Souls.

[obtuse quest]

Who's going to tell them that standing still is a death wish?

[pearl snow]

Just dont get hit

[kind forge]

lol

[vivid monolith]

Thoughts on Lachesis staff vs uh... whatever the minion 2h scythe is (+2 to minion skills, +minion necro pen) for wraithlord?

[kind forge]

that wierd name pair of boots would be really good for warlock no? cuz profain veil is guarunteed dodge?

[kind forge]

the scythe

its not elemental minion

so the staff would have no value

[vivid monolith]

wdym? Lachesis has necrotic skills as well

[kind forge]

ye nvm forgot the first one was necrotic

[vivid monolith]

Like I have +2s on it, but I dont know how much the minion pen will fare vs the 100-170% increased minion dmg

wraithlord gets a bunch of differeing % scalings (and some flat) so I dont know the math 😂

[kind forge]

the scythe gives stun immunity to them too

[obtuse quest]

Scythe. Pen is more important than skill level.

[kind forge]

need more minion frostbite uwu

only got the 13% from the set offhand and 100% from if you hit them with chaos bolt

[vivid monolith]

they're same +skill anyway

idea on what to slam on it? I have at least a 2lp (not at pc atm)

[kind forge]

minion pen and both flat minion dmgs

so minion pen and pick one of the sets of minion dmg with i think melee?

and pray

[vivid monolith]

Wraithlord has melee tag but iirc beams has spell

[kind forge]

oh spell then

[vivid monolith]

cant really test since i legit only have melee+spell affixes anyway

[obtuse quest]

Wraithlord is spell.

[kind forge]

then ye minion necrotic pen + flat minion spell probably best

for 2lp

[vivid monolith]

7/5 pen/flat?

[kind forge]

hmmm?

oh uh

ye i think?

maybe 7 flat 5 pen

[vivid monolith]

since wraithlord gets some flat in tree, it already has some base added

[kind forge]

i forget which one scales better

[vivid monolith]

idk though, with the multis from dread+infernal shade

also minion pen can be on idols yeah?

but idk if I've seen flat minion dmg on them

[kind forge]

ye you can get flat minion melee/spell/bow dmg

[vivid monolith]

damn, must be unlucky then

[kind forge]

also ye alot of hybrid stats

pen and minion pen ... and resist and minion resist

[vivid monolith]

I have a bunch of pen and resist ones

[kind forge]

we already had the pen before on idols from the origional system xD

[vivid monolith]

just not the dmg ones

[kind forge]

the resist ones are new

[vivid monolith]

pen yeah, but it was just minion or just personal, right?

[kind forge]

both

[vivid monolith]

like now I keep way more of those mixed idols since they don't have to be useful on one or the other

ah

🤷‍♂️

[kind forge]

or maybe it wasnt pen

maybe it was just increased dmg

i forget

but it was a hybrid piece

for you and minions

[obtuse quest]

Probably inc damage

[vivid monolith]

ah minion flat spell dmg on idols is a double with cast speed. perfect for wraithlord lol

only shows up on 1x4/4x1 though

sad

I assume that in such a case, where the most cast speed/flat spell an idol gets is 8%/+10, taking up four slots, the 3% necrotic pen per slot wins out? So 8% cast speed and +10 flat damage vs 12% pen (with more flexibility re: placement as well)... Though maybe not, since the large ones can be enchanted. ffs

Just hit empowereds on my wraithlord necro, but gotta know what to keep an eye out for in the future, esp. for idol drops. and I can prophecy some of those scythes and hope I get lucky

[obtuse quest]

Welcome to the new pain of "How the hell do we optimize our idols"

[vivid monolith]

Yeah weaver idols are sick for making it feel good to add resists (which I know they've always been necessary, but damn it felt bad just adding a slot for resist and nothing spicy) but my brain isn't big enough for this

My first build was (dot) heartseeker MM, so I'm excited to mix it up. Really noticing that I picked two builds that murder in single target and struggle more with clear, but w/e, that's a next-build problem lol

[gaunt drift]

Weavers idols are too OP, they make all other non-class idols obsolete. I thikn they went a bit overboard.

[vivid monolith]

Perhaps, but getting them is more limited, since they don't drop in echo rewards (do they drop as weaver idols if you have prophecies and fill them in tombs?)

[obtuse quest]

Ehhh there's some stats that you can't get with weaver idols so you'll still need a balance of both.

[rugged gyro]

if i have more then 100% chance of blood splatter on the rip blood skill, can it double proc? or is it pointless to go more then 100%

[kind forge]

no other idols just suck

at least the 1 by 1 normal idols always sucked

[obtuse quest]

Yes, it can.

[kind forge]

tbh ... they should move all the mods from weaver idols to the normal idol pool (no scaling) ... and give the dropped weaver idols weaver will as if they had been put on the altar
(for the 1x1 and 2x1 idols)

and you would still be able to add weaver mods to the 3x1 2x2 4x1 idols

like you can now

[rugged gyro]

oh dang okay, thank you!

[autumn mango]

Is it worth it feeding your wraithlord to skellys and does it stack

[obtuse quest]

Kinda, yes.
Kinda because if he's feeding, he doesn't attack.

[vivid monolith]

I think ideally wraithlord gets fed with the transplant minion/wraiths he summons

if it spams eating, it just wastes time not attacking (like kzb said), and I'm not sure if wraithlord eat buff even stacks?

[obtuse quest]

He doesn't feed on wraiths.

The buff does stack, but each stack has their own duration.

[vivid monolith]

yeah ignore that, transplant boy

oh it does? interesting

[gentle roost]

Stygian lich fun to play?

[solid totem]

Im havin a blast with it

[narrow path]

Short question, as I never played an acolyte before and in general not much minion stuff.
Is the "Increased Minion Cooldown Recovery Speed" on e.g. idols for me or my minions? I.e. does it shorten their cooldowns or does it shorten my cooldowns for all skills with a minion tag?

[barren lintel]

if it doesnt say minion it do not affects minion by default pretty sure

[narrow path]

Nono, my question was specifically about these items which have minion in it (like the one I quoted on an idol).
My question is just if it affects minion's own skill cooldowns, for example the fire arrow from the skeleton archers - or does it affect my own skills with minion tags?

[obtuse quest]

It affects the cooldown of the skills used by minions.

[narrow path]

thanks! 😀

[autumn mango]

I’m a necro level 87 with wraithlord helm, is 31% minion crit chance and 200% multiplier

Decent^?

[frigid ember]

does spawning a fire wraith change its type to fire entirely? meaning it does not do necro damage even though the tag still says necro for this skill?

[obtuse quest]

It changes it's base type to fire. Anything that adds flat minion damage will still stay that type EG: it's own nodes.

[frigid ember]

ok gotcha. So necro will not work on these minions anymore? like this skill tree point?

[autumn mango]

Wondering what the point of infernal shade on minions if it defeats the purpose of permanent dread shade

[obtuse quest]

Unless it gets given flat necrotic damage, no.

[obtuse quest]

They're seperate buffs that can stack. Unless you're using a specific unique.,

[frigid ember]

What do u mean by flat necrotic damage? thanks for answering btw! appreciate it

[frigid ember]

gotcha, ty v much :)

[kind forge]

yes

well

for that fire wraith specifically

well it would also have the flat necro dmg from the tree but it would only scale with % fire after that

[tender ridge]

anyone know if the intelligence skill scaling on minion damage % is multiplicative or additive with increased minion damage %?

[narrow path]

At least the wording is clearly "increased damage" for all the scalings

[tender ridge]

you know that is a fair point, that makes sense!

[obtuse quest]

Additive, all % inc is additive

[tender ridge]

ty both 😄

[oblique obsidian]

Stygian coal lich does multipl intances of dark shackles improve dps? Frequency of beams? Or should i should just have 1 up at all times for bosses

[kind forge]

just have 1 and spam rip blood for the spell dmg buff

just reapply drain life every 5 seconds once it ends

[barren lintel]

the beams stack

so you should def to try and have multiple up

[candid escarp]

it is the most surreal thing, my build stopped doing damage for about 6 or so levels but after I forced it through it just...started doing damage again

[barren lintel]

rip blood can def sustain at least 2 at once at full mana with cast speed investment

[oblique obsidian]

So if possible have multiple shackles at once?

[desert chasm]

is rip blood's arcane absorption supposed to have a buff icon on the UI?

[barren lintel]

yes, and if you know you will kill boss you should also just dump all your mana and spam all of them and then just pot up

as ladle will give you enough mana back from pots

[barren lintel]

it doesnt have one atm

[chrome mason]

no they do not

[barren lintel]

they do

spend 2 seconds against target dummy with ailment chance

and you will see

i already tested it so i know it works

[chrome mason]

I have tested it, you cannot have multiple instances of it active, the only thing it does is during the cast you overlap it for about half a second giving you slightly more beams.

[barren lintel]

i got consistently like 70% more poison stacks when i used 2 vs 1 against target dummy

so pretty sure it works

[chrome mason]

Youre getting like, 3-6 more beams depending on your current mana by overlapping the uses, but just spamming rip blood with enough cast speed nets you more DPS

[barren lintel]

having 2 up at once is barely any effort and based on my results its at least 70% more dps

so you should probs be doing that for most dps

plenty of time to spam rip blood still too

idk if ful spamming it is worth but i think at least dumping at close to end of fight probs also is

example 1 beam

2 beams

i would say thats pretty clear

[oblique obsidian]

damn thats pretty signficant

[barren lintel]

also if you are struggling with mana a bit then you can also click blood pact, its -10 mana cost from drain life as it only says the dark shackles upfront cost is unmodified, but there is still also base cost of drain life that gets removed so it goes from like 60 cost after thoughtsteal to 50 which is pretty helpful from what i've tried

and i know thats another thing most ppl say doesnt work but it partially does

and its slightly better than 3rd point into thoughtsteal as well even though not by much :d

[oblique obsidian]

absolutely 0 struggles with mana just realised i have only one shackle up at a time

yeah just went from 50/50 normal aberroth to fairly comfortably doing it. Thanks everyone!

[spring storm]

https://youtu.be/X-t1m2QjHNE mine is quite brainless

[wicked veldt]

what skill do I wanna use for my fifth skill as a lich harvest/reaper build? I have drain health but I basically never use it because it's just better for me to leech with harvest/reaper

[kind forge]

ye dont spam it ... you get faster attacks by stacking more int

[kind forge]

how about spirit plague

[barren lintel]

transplant and click the shared cd node

[kind forge]

that too

[wicked veldt]

Both good suggestions, spirit plague is really good for single target cursing like bosses right?

[kind forge]

i think its for clearing cuz harvest can make it spread

and it can apply curses

[wicked veldt]

Oh it can apply other curses?

That's actually interesting lemme see what I can do with it then

[kind forge]

well it is a curse ... which means harvest will be doing double dmg to anything it spreads to

it also stacks poisons and stuff to scale that one harvest passive

[wicked veldt]

ykw I think transplant is what I want cuz I can convert it's damage to necrotic and get other buffs when I use it

that might be the most valuable option for my build I think

thanks for the feedback all

[kind forge]

true you also get frenzy and haste for 3 seconds

[wicked veldt]

Yeah, plus I can make it cast bone curse on arrival, it's a nice addition all together

[kind forge]

i hate bone curse because the cooldown is weird

[wicked veldt]

it has a cooldown? for me it just has a mana cost cuz of the nodes I took but I can otherwise spam it

Do you mean the cast speed maybe?

[frigid ember]

Is there a way to prevent ranged minions from running head first into monsters?

[meager burrow]

How much INT do I need for Stygian Coal to feel good? I'm at 140 now and it feels very underwhelming so far

[chrome mason]

Do you have good crit and the node that turns your int into mana 1:1? (warlock tree)

[wise basalt]

Is there a unique belt useful for wraithlord?

[autumn oriole]

Still cannot fully understand snapshotting.
Please correct me.

1. snapshotting captures skill levels and the mods on gears.
2. lower skill level after swapping gear won't change the nodes allocated when snapshotting.
3. re-snapshotting happens when swapping zones (mono to acts or dungeon.
4. if using Hollow Finger for snapshotting, we can re-snapshotting with snapshotting gear but 'no Hollow Finger' to prevent the decay triggered by skele maximum change.

how to consume golems and wraith then activate age of death?

[slow imp]

Is this half decent for a coal lich build?

Alot of flat damage

[atomic atlas]

the reduction is strong

with the other reduction on potion use lich has

[slow imp]

Fairly nice armour

[slow imp]

Worth slaming that for a coal lich build?

[knotty cave]

No. You want int mana and life

[whole oak]

Heya, so did anyone build a successful Witchfire build? Maybe with the new Unique?

[fervent basalt]

Hello

i want a minion build

but i was wondering what is the build's chokepoint? in terms of progress

for my first alt character a multishot mm, squishyines was the thing that hold me pushing corruption past 400

what you think, can a minion build push to 800?

thats my goal for alts

[whole oak]

Oh Minion builds can push to 2000 corruption, but the problem is that damn snapshotting of gear XD

[fervent basalt]

snapshot means, you use a skill, then reswap?

like rage vortex slayer poe?

I have cheking a guide rn, and it says about snapshotting a necklace

[whole oak]

yeah

[fervent basalt]

but, how do you often summon that mage?

per map?

[obtuse quest]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/build-guides/witchfire-warlock

[stuck owl]

Witchfire Warlock Build Guide

Game Cycle / Version

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class

Acolyte / Warlock

Used skills

• Chthonic Fissure
• Bone Curse
• Spirit Plague
• Chaos Bolts
• Profane Veil

Used unique items

• Downfall of the Righteous
• Ashes of Mortality
• Boneclamor Barbute
• Pearls of the Swine

Tags

Monolith Farmer / Arena / Season Starter / Beginner / DoT

Created by Tevonsonte · Apr 29, 2025, 12:26 AM

[north lance]

Torment Warlock forever, what is Witchfire?

Still salty about this catalyst

[eternal cave]

If anyone doesn't mind helping me out with some critique - https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Q9qG5aPQ

[stuck owl]

Warlock, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Warlock (91)

General:

▸ Health: 1,622, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 181.51, Regen: 13.28/s
▸ Ward Retention: 208%, Regen: 153/s
▸ Attributes: 16 Str / 13 Dex / 48 Int / 3 Att / 17 Vit
▸ Resistances: 115% / 75% / 44% / 52% / 146% / 214% / 63%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 324
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (52)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 42% (2,442)

Used skills:

Bone Curse / Chthonic Fissure / Infernal Shade / Spirit Plague / Transplant

[pearl snow]

Are you going Crit Shade spamming or what?

You got items that say Necrotic DoT but you have Infernal Shade Crit going so I can’t see what build you are going for just from the planner

[eternal cave]

You mean the dagger?

[pearl snow]

Are you doing an everything build?

Yeah dagger

[eternal cave]

I started as crit shade and started adding things

The dagger for some reason, adds like 10k damage, so removing it feels really weird

[pearl snow]

Its probably all that flat damage for DoT spells

I’m unfamiliar with that whole setup

It is interesting

Throwing the kitchen sink at them for DoT application then hoping the shade explodes for a bunch?

Seems fun

[eternal cave]

Lol, kinda. I think Witchfire is the only thing not great here

[pearl snow]

The only thing that may improve the style of the build is poison stacks. Are you getting that overload to procv

?

[gaunt abyss]

another great witchfire idol

[pearl snow]

Witchfire hits like a semi truck

[eternal cave]

I am not getting it consitently any more because I used both fire/poison blessings and removed them for defense

Idk what mine hits for but I think i should have the fire passive

[pearl snow]

Those points may be better elsewhere then and go more into fire necrotic

The 3 poison points in Spirit Plague could be used to go pick up Frailty or Slow

[eternal cave]

How much necrotic makes the 6 points in Imperishable worth it you think ?

Are the 3 points in poison not that good for stacking ?

[native condor]

can anyone boots me some lv on alt char?

[pearl snow]

I dont think the poison ever stacks on a single target from plague

You get 3 and thats it

[vivid valve]

Any crit shade lich player here kill Uber abby

[tiny acorn]

where can i lv up fast? in temporal or light a new character?

[rain verge]

Monolith

you can do them at any time once you unlock your mastery/end of time

youll die alot but exp gain is crazy good

[tender halo]

Is there any way to improve the base damage of damned? It scales so poorly and even at 1000% dot hits like a wet noodle at 200 stacks

Looks like ghost maker is one

[noble basin]

Guys, what do you think is the best one handed weapon + shield for Golemancer build ?

[tender halo]

But I was trying to use the hunting should Sceptre

[tender halo]

I played a cold minion build with apogee of frozen light which was fun but you have to melee hit as well with harvest to get value

[noble basin]

i see, what minions do you use ? im planning to use 3 Golems

[tender halo]

Iirc I ran cold mages and golems I think you can switch them to cold?

[bleak horizon]

How exactly does the +10 necrotic damage on dread shade work, does it only add to things that already do necrotic damage?

[noble basin]

yes, hmm but do the melee atk is tough

[noble basin]

what corruption did you farm with this ?

[bleak horizon]

To add an example, would it add no damage to a Putrid Wraith by default since they do poison damage?

[tender halo]

It wasn't that bad you can get increased range one harvest and with shield and block you can be pretty tanky

[tender halo]

250-300

I generally don't push corruption I just try to make stuff work to those levels then make a new toon lol

[noble basin]

can it go higher with better gear maybe ? im planning to farm at least on 500c if possible, 600 max

[tender halo]

Maybe it was VERY far from optimized gear with poor slams

[noble basin]

i have Paladin VK and Warlock, but my soul is just with minions lol

[tender halo]

I fiddle around with my builds a lot during the process so they never get to min maxed

[noble basin]

i see2

[tender halo]

The one I'm making now is about as far as I've gone just because it's so fun

[noble basin]

the idea of cold minion is nice

[obtuse quest]

No, because there's no damage to boost. Putrid Wraith's attack does 0 damage, but counts as a hit for all other purposes. It has to do at least 1 damage for flat to boost it.

[amber light]

Anyone here got experience with infernal shade warlock? Is uber abbaroth possible?

[obtuse quest]

It adds to things that do any damage that isn't 0, since it's a flat boost.

[noble basin]

minion ?

[obtuse quest]

No, standard ailments cannot have their base damage boosted.

[bleak horizon]

And they need to match the type of the flat boost also? (Sorry if these questions seem dumb)

[tender halo]

No, this one is a dot lock

[tender halo]

The ghost maker says it adds flat damage to necrotic over time isn't that base damage?

[obtuse quest]

No, damage type doesn't have to match, but if it specifies, it has to match the skill type.
Eg: If a buff gives +20 fire melee damage, all melee skills get the +20, but not a fire spell.

[bleak horizon]

Oooh ok, thank you

[obtuse quest]

Necrotic damage over time Spells

[tender halo]

Is the necrotic for the spell portion or the dot?

[tender halo]

Ahhh so like the hit on hungering souls as well as the possession? I believe it's considered a spell

As is torment but not damned

[obtuse quest]

No, that affix effectively says:
Gives 61-66 flat necrotic damage to Damage Over Time Spells.

[obtuse quest]

Correct.

[tender halo]

Ok got it so damned is just going to also suck lol 😭

[obtuse quest]

2nd worst standard ailment. Don't worry, poison is worse.

[tender halo]

It seems like in that case for my build going mostly spell damage will scale torment wither spirit plague better than necro over time

[obtuse quest]

Withered isn't a curse nor a spell.

[tender halo]

Ya I learned this when I tried the psn aura

[tender halo]

Sorry was thinking of anguish

Wither makes them take more damage over time

[obtuse quest]

No, wither makes them take more curse damage, not all damage over time.

[tiny acorn]

still no red ring

[tender halo]

Derp yup sorry wasn't specific

[noble basin]

Does Health gain on kill counted for minions too ?

i mean, if our minion kills, does it heal us ?

[fiery light]

First thing on google

[noble basin]

yeah thanks! i googled it too before lol

[cold tapir]

hey guys what is the pros and cons of stygian lich vs torment warlock? Im currently a lvl 97 SC lich and I was wondering if it was worth the jump to torment warlock this late into the game. Or should I just make an alt for it?

[worthy compass]

Is there a cleanse for poisons? Because Aura of Decay kinda just kills you once you try to make it have a decent amount of stacks on an enemy

[obtuse quest]

Anything that can cleanse ailmennts works.

[worthy compass]

Yea I was looking around.

[obtuse quest]

Welcome to problem one of AoD.

[worthy compass]

Looks like belt might be the way to go

Issue is that it requires potion use, but that's solvable with Chains of Uleros. But that also very much limits what you can really do with your belt early on. AoD just kinda.... I'm not going to say it sucks but I can't see allot of use for it atm

And with the increased reduced resistances which makes to sense to grab on the tree with that kinda thing it just.... oof

[obtuse quest]

You're learningggggg.

(Yes AoD sucks.)

[worthy compass]

The reason I realized it was an issue is because it killed my HC toon in HO. Was very funny

Just chillin out, talkin to my buddy and I just flop over. To which he just looks at me like "Wtf"

[worthy compass]

Also hey, I know things. Just... I know a little about allot because I just try different things. Not an expert in anything

[crystal escarp]

going to try this with marrow shards build , before was that sword and give only 3 lvl to marrow... didn't found any other choices which was better than staff

[kind forge]

nvm wrong thing kek

[quiet gorge]

man, playing a minion build feels so bad. i feel so squishy and its making finding gear tough in empowered monos

[vivid monolith]

Wraithlord slaps in early empowered. I also get slapped, however, which is a bit problematic

[tawdry rock]

I think the issue is that node on the tree is pretty bait. I don't think it's good at all unless you want to keep turning it off and on again utilizing the poison nova on cast node.

If you get all the frequency nodes on the tree minus icarian poison the you increase the 4/times per second to 8.16/times per second. If you get the icarian poison node then it means you get 10.16/times per second. Its really not that worth it to continually try to manage it in my opinion

Keep in mind each one of these triggers also apply your poison on hit at 25% effectiveness

But with 100% chance to poison on hit that is 16 stacks of poison per second without the icarian poison node and just over 20 stacks with it

[worthy compass]

I've found a sort of solution to it. With either a Chains of Uleros with any tier of cleanse, or a Immolator's Oblation with T7 potion health to ward.
But both of those options are pretty meh

Because doing the turn off and on kills me because I'm ward based

[tawdry rock]

Cleanse doesn't really help though cause the rate just infinitely stacks

At some point the rate will get too high

[worthy compass]

I know. I did make sure to say sort of, AoD just kinda, isn't good.

I'm not trying to make RF here but holy cow

[tawdry rock]

It's been working for me to stack poison and get a consistent source of stacks to have 100% poison overload uptime

[worthy compass]

Poison overload isn't the issue. I've got that up almost all the time without it. Just trying different things

[tawdry rock]

I just don't take the icarian poison node. It also really helps to completely negate nearly any poison damage

[worthy compass]

Yea that node is bait

[tawdry rock]

The only thing that sucks is poison duration is stuck behind it

[worthy compass]

Yea, and I'm not really aware of a ton of sources of it

[noble basin]

can we slam a sentinel body armor to Aarons Will ?

[worthy compass]

Just has to be the same slot

[tawdry rock]

I couldn't get too much success with the soul feast node

I feel like the rate needs to be higher.

[quiet gorge]

does the leech from lich and the passive tree work for poison stacks put on people?

[crystal escarp]

yep the one what not required "hit"

[gaunt drift]

Yes, any body armor will do

[zenith current]

Quick question, how does Oppressive gaze (bone curse infinite duration but only one target) work with Cursed Limbs (Bone curse on hit) ? is the former a limit of 1 or do the two work together just fine?

[gaunt abyss]

any idea why this is not on warlock build?
look like hella dps idols

[zenith current]

ward gen takes priority

[silver marsh]

Having some issues beating the second stage of the snake lady in ch9(or 10?), was speccing a melee harvest/reaper form build, what do yall recommend for something viable around lvl60? I'm looking to respec to something I think either Drain Life/Dark Shackles focused, or Harvest Soul

[gaunt abyss]

they take this idol instead of those 2

[silver marsh]

Not Harvest Soul, the uh, weird soul seeking projectile

[zenith current]

Makes sense

for barbute and for profane veil which practically gives you immunity for that time.

[gaunt abyss]

so why not this idol?

[fervent basalt]

soo, dear chat
can someone tldr me how only 1 minion build is viable

how only 1 minion can clear mobs

[devout relic]

Finally found one :3

[spring storm]

so there are 21 lich players killed uber aberroth

[stable stream]

How is spirit plague? Im deciding beteen it and hunger souls as a primary attack

[marble palm]

80 Necromancers and I bet all 80 abused Abom XD

[autumn elbow]

Im surprised to see druid so low, aren't they supposed to be super tanky if needed?

[pearl snow]

That idol is fantastic, some just have a hard time finding it lmao

[autumn bough]

lich has amazing build for it, its on maxroll and uber viable tested

[pearl snow]

Some just prefer immunity length via profane veil duration

[pearl snow]

Spirit Plague is usually a debuff rather than the main dps on builds. But if you wanna try go for it

[gaunt abyss]

dosent help with DoT much tho 😦

[spring storm]

U mean stygian lich ?

[autumn bough]

yes

beam cocain master

[spring storm]

im struggling with this gear brother @autumn bough https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BEwmjvXA

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.2

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (83) / Warlock (10)

General:

▸ Health: 3,372, Regen: 96.03/s
▸ Mana: 326.92, Regen: 15.44/s
▸ Ward Retention: 342%, Regen: 19/s
▸ Attributes: 26 Str / 10 Dex / 171 Int / 10 Att / 11 Vit
▸ Resistances: 121% / 109% / 111% / 156% / 105% / 114% / 74%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 36%, Threshold: 674
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (53)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 33% (1,716)

Used skills:

Reaper Form / Death Seal / Rip Blood / Transplant / Drain Life

[autumn bough]

believe in yourself, you can do it 🙏

[spring storm]

was gearing for 2 weeks straight

seeing falco or void knight doing it

i just have no more motivation

[pearl snow]

Most people don’t use output relics unless it scales super well

I.e ignite chance for witchfire

[gaunt abyss]

i mean necro pen+flat spell dmg+%spell dmg is a preaty good scale for torment

[finite galleon]

Wait, are you asking how there's one particular minion that is vastly superior to the rest, or how it is sufficient to have one single minion out for some builds?

[fervent basalt]

no i know how you setup it, im just wondering how 1 minion builds really clear packs

its just 1 minion

i only played storm crows on le, not familiar with minions with it, only played skele mage and srs on poe

[finite galleon]

For abomination the answer is no you don't. You just slowly cleave through them several at a time.

[fervent basalt]

oh? so thats a bad build

[finite galleon]

Well, yes if you care about efficiency. Although if you're looking to see 9 digit crits on dummies, it does do the trick in that regard

[fervent basalt]

hmm so bossing is ez

Im leveling rn, level 30 it seems fun

im already finished every content on my main so trying out stuff

[finite galleon]

If I were you I would just pick the cutest looking pets

which wouldn't have led me to storm crow to begin with

[fervent basalt]

nah i played it in 0.9, or 1.0? i dont remmber

it weas sooo fun

[finite galleon]

[stable stream]

Does anyone have suggestion for good leveling skills for Acolyte? I don't have a specialization yet and the class feels pretty slow

[finite galleon]

do you have set items from other characters?

[autumn oriole]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Ap3EDOJo

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 94

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.2

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Necromancer (87)

General:

▸ Health: 3,678, Regen: 219.75/s
▸ Mana: 109.48, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 198%, Regen: 117/s
▸ Attributes: 18 Str / 14 Dex / 29 Int / 2 Att / 22 Vit
▸ Resistances: 115% / 93% / 112% / 170% / 75% / 200% / 82%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 40%, Threshold: 736
▸ Dodge Chance: 9% (245)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 24% (946)
▸ Block Chance: 89%, Mitigation: 40% (1,250)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 111%

Used skills:

Summon Skeleton / Dread Shade / Summon Skeletal Mage / Infernal Shade / Assemble Abomination

[autumn oriole]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oNKWVl9A

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 94

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.2

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Necromancer (87)

General:

▸ Health: 2,568, Regen: 90.98/s
▸ Mana: 122.48, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 248%, Regen: 129/s
▸ Attributes: 4 Str / 16 Dex / 54 Int / 10 Att / 30 Vit
▸ Resistances: 71% / 49% / 112% / 97% / 38% / 237% / 50%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 33%, Threshold: 514
▸ Dodge Chance: 4% (96)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 21% (742)
▸ Block Chance: 2%, Mitigation: 11% (80)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 40%

Used skills:

Summon Skeleton / Dread Shade / Summon Skeletal Mage / Infernal Shade / Assemble Abomination

[autumn oriole]

Try to share my build, one link for survival gears, one for snapshotting.

Appreciate if anyone can help with my next goal.

[slow imp]

So question, should i keep this or should i try to slam a T7 drain life onto a null?

Playing the lich coal build

[tiny acorn]

what a hit

[slow imp]

Why does stygian coal lich still feel soo weak

[pearl snow]

your gear

[atomic atlas]

single target?

[slow imp]

I have capped critical hit, 287% crit multiplier, 150 intelligence

[pearl snow]

150 might be low. I've seen a lot of people north of 200

[atomic atlas]

red rings ?

[slow imp]

No red rings

[atomic atlas]

150 is fine if youre more tank

[slow imp]

Maybe thats all I need

[atomic atlas]

but otherwise 150 is low if its not because you chose more tank

[slow imp]

I have no tank either

I got 2.5k health

[atomic atlas]

there u go then

[slow imp]

max res tho but still no health

Thats the thing i expect to be squishy, i dont expect to be low damage

Is my damage tied to my hp level or something

[tiny acorn]

what corruption are u runing?>

[slow imp]

At this point im more concerned that i could bearly kill tier 4 jura

took three rotations of going throught time to kill her

[atomic atlas]

from seal missing hp gives armor. missing % gives dmg so no but just gear in general

280 crit multi isnt high

400 mana?

the maxroll build is geared towards damage

and this one is geared towards dmg reduction

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/maomao/character/Maowaitingfor13

[slow imp]

yeah a bit over 400 mana

[atomic atlas]

hes geared

[slow imp]

maybe i need that crit mutli then

[atomic atlas]

u spam drain everytime ur full or near full mana?

should be almost on cd

[slow imp]

wait, it stacks?!

I press it every 4 seconds or so

[atomic atlas]

test it on a dummy and see the debuffs

[slow imp]

Im deciding now weather to slam 26% health or +4 to dealth seal

But im thinking the health is needed

[atomic atlas]

what chest u using?

[atomic atlas]

i like hp cus i braindead tank possessed sometimes and they hit hard

[tiny acorn]

my stats rn

[atomic atlas]

that chest isnt helping you much

[atomic atlas]

how r u not res capped ur gear looks good

geared af

red rings i guess

[slow imp]

Should i go for the null one?

[tiny acorn]

im res cap except physical xD

[slow imp]

Just slam a tier 7 drain life and call it a day

[atomic atlas]

u might as well use a pale ox

[tiny acorn]

cuz i change my boots i lost some phys res

[atomic atlas]

ah i use the swine neck for acid skin

[slow imp]

Wait really... pale ox is better

Theres no way

[atomic atlas]

u can get 60% hp on pale and thats + 64% armor

thats pretty nuts

with 2 lp blood mage gloves if you can add the armor adds to dot

[slow imp]

Is that really better then 20% less damage taken

[atomic atlas]

no idea just easier to get 3 lp pale ox

[slow imp]

i see

[tiny acorn]

not hte best but decent

[atomic atlas]

nice

[drifting temple]

you can use damage redirection also. you have nodes for skeletal vanguards

[tiny acorn]

hmm i also have this one

[atomic atlas]

the acid skin is 20% cript

crit

[tiny acorn]

cirt dmg or chance

[atomic atlas]

chance

u curse with transplant

the green swine neck

[slow imp]

I dont summon anything with this build tho

[tiny acorn]

ahh i have one but no lp

[atomic atlas]

for monos, the nodes on the tree have vanguards. theyre up like 100% of the time its useful

[drifting temple]

well if you want to use this chest you need to invest few points in vanguards and thats basically free dr

[slow imp]

This is kinda what the fight is like

I just do little to no damage. make a mistake and get knocked out of lich form and then thats it

Even with geared towards damage i do nothing

.... from rewatching that i think that the helment was a mistake

This thing just kills all the mana, it isnt worth it

[barren lintel]

yea that helmet is horrible dont use it

[slow imp]

I found this lying around

based on what the person above posted as a helment pick

[barren lintel]

yea thats solid. im assuming you dont have endurance capped either? ist like lowest effort way to improve your defense by a lot on lich

[slow imp]

Wait hold up, is that 20%increased or +20% to crit

its at 54%

so a bit off capped

[barren lintel]

acid skin should just be flat +20% crit yea

[slow imp]

thats insane for damage then

[barren lintel]

but shouldnt be scaled with increases

[slow imp]

I use this as a +2%

basicly only thing usefull on it is the crit

[barren lintel]

lol

[slow imp]

so a flat 20% is an insane bonus

[chrome mason]

after 400k favor, finally.

[barren lintel]

yea its good, still need the remaining 80% tho :d

[slow imp]

Not that hard, already over capped

[azure dawn]

will another warlock build besides whip kill uber abberoth?

[slow imp]

Is this better then the 25 int one for the coal lich?

[atomic atlas]

no

[rich frigate]

Guys, does the "Increased spirit frequency" affix works for Spine of Malatros' whips?

[tender ridge]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Qker5mdo can anyone think of any obvious more multis I'm missing? Kinda hitting a plateau at 500c

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 94

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.2

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (72) / Warlock (15)

General:

▸ Health: 2,457, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 386.9, Regen: 15.68/s
▸ Ward Retention: 181%, Regen: 45/s
▸ Attributes: 1 Str / 1 Dex / 84 Int / 1 Att / 6 Vit
▸ Resistances: 51% / 88% / 82% / 74% / 77% / 83% / 12%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 65%, Threshold: 589
▸ Armor Mitigation: 28% (1,260)

Used skills:

Marrow Shards / Bone Curse / Death Seal / Reaper Form / Transplant

[tender ridge]

Still need +4 marrow shards helmet and a better relic for sure

[azure dawn]

ppl play marrow shards?

[tender ridge]

I like the skill

makes a satisfying squish sound

[old hull]

Yes

[azure dawn]

fair play

[lost garnet]

You run Plague on Hit Idols and Soul Reave on your abomination to solve AoE and clear speed. You also need the Minion Teleport to you when you press movement skill Experimental mod on boots or rings for clearspeed to feel good on minions.

[raw rune]

should i use this on a 2 lp spine or wait for t7s?

[slow imp]

Can the stygian coal build get to the point that it kills Uber abberth?

[crystal escarp]

on 500 corruption its playable

[crystal escarp]

have similar build, u can check some gear from here also run on 500 corruption https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/A1zY6J4Q

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 99

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.2

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (62) / Warlock (30)

General:

▸ Health: 2,542, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 516, Regen: 28.32/s
▸ Ward Retention: 242%, Regen: 25/s
▸ Attributes: 12 Str / 18 Dex / 102 Int / 1 Att / 12 Vit
▸ Resistances: 143% / 68% / 75% / 73% / 111% / 64% / 36%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 51%, Threshold: 508
▸ Dodge Chance: 8% (244)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 18% (625)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 88%

Used skills:

Marrow Shards / Bone Curse / Death Seal / Reaper Form / Ghostflame

[crystal escarp]

1st pic - this u no need for sure if u going leech last 2 enough , 2nd not multiplicative so better go full int and vitality in 1st tree, here u can spend free points on 3rd pic , 4th pic - also no need for sure.... here u can get int with free points 5th pic, 6th pic no need max them for 3 points enough, others in int and some in vit pic 7 if free points left ...i not think taking increase dmg on gear is right, as form + death seal give almost 1k to all dmg, better take crit int healts mana regen if need, skill levels, armor shred

[tender ridge]

all good insights

that CoF life for drops

[crystal escarp]

also u can craft affix t6 t7 u need if use base items with double t6 t7 affixes, its how i did all my gear, using rune of havoc and redemption

[tender ridge]

yeah my havocs and redemptions have not been kind

[obtuse quest]

Iirc there was a coal build that killed uberroth.

[crystal escarp]

if u not have other source of this curse , better take it, give -25 to all resistance, can take points from iron maidens and marrow thief

[obtuse quest]

Oh, you wouldn't like to know that it's subskill is the core of it's damage and not itself.

[tender ridge]

I just did

[tender ridge]

with all of the multipliers they can get, bone splinters does ~33% more damage but it's cancer to actually play with

[slow imp]

Nice, would be great to know what the build was

[crystal escarp]

full of rich items ) without them its like your's )

[obtuse quest]

Yeah, it's splinters. It can even double hit if you aim it correctly, making it do more than just 33% more.

[tender ridge]

yeah I know. The whole aiming carefully is not fun in normal play though

the splinters don't double hit though. just the shard + splinter. shard does a lot less damage when you're speccing into splinters

[obtuse quest]

Fair.

[dark snow]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oleKMJqA
can someone help me with what i should do push passed 300 corruption

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 95

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.2

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (78) / Warlock (10)

General:

▸ Health: 2,110, Regen: 17.37/s
▸ Mana: 407.98, Regen: 13.28/s
▸ Ward Retention: 340%, Regen: 36/s
▸ Attributes: 18 Str / 5 Dex / 170 Int / 5 Att / 6 Vit
▸ Resistances: 81% / 92% / 114% / 80% / 122% / 119% / 44%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 34%, Threshold: 506
▸ Dodge Chance: 1% (23)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 34% (1,672)

Used skills:

Reaper Form / Death Seal / Rip Blood / Transplant / Drain Life

[crystal escarp]

do u run this build? https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/stygian-coal-lich-guide

[dark snow]

yes

[crystal escarp]

good luck 👍

[dark snow]

why

[crystal escarp]

good build but its clearly descriptive , nothing to add

[dark snow]

wait what do you mean descripted

[crystal escarp]

fixed )

[dark snow]

so your saying its all good?

i am finding it hard to push 300 tho

[crystal escarp]

bcs u need all same, i tried it too and without correct items as in build its hard

[dark snow]

oh

yeah

[crystal escarp]

uberoth setup his gear not cheap

[dark snow]

yeah but i am cof

[crystal escarp]

well i cant suggest market as its uncomfortable, so good luck with items

[dark snow]

yesss

i need more damage

gotta figure what i am doing wrong

[crystal escarp]

do u use weaver tree to copy items? much easier

[dark snow]

yeah you can check mine

[dark snow]

you not using the helmet?

[crystal escarp]

well try find idols, yours not looks fine in his build more crit and enchants on crit

[crystal escarp]

i give up in his build and trying marrow shards )

[dark snow]

why give up

[crystal escarp]

to rock with build need this items (

[dark snow]

yes thats the point

right

if build easy whats the point

[crystal escarp]

i checked yours, u miss some blessing and idols, others u doing as in guide

[solid totem]

Im farming uberroth pretty comfortably, let me link my gear for stygian

[dark snow]

okay i will check blessing and idols and set them up 😄

yess pleas

[dark snow]

can you tell what i should on focus on rn

i am at 280 corruption

[solid totem]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Q0zR0ZJo

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.2

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (83) / Warlock (10)

General:

▸ Health: 3,186, Regen: 22/s
▸ Mana: 782.33, Regen: 15.76/s
▸ Ward Retention: 402%, Regen: 12/s
▸ Attributes: 32 Str / 29 Dex / 201 Int / 20 Att / 21 Vit
▸ Resistances: 119% / 119% / 119% / 111% / 118% / 124% / 103%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 62%, Threshold: 637
▸ Dodge Chance: 5% (159)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 38% (2,114)

Used skills:

Transplant / Rip Blood / Drain Life / Reaper Form / Death Seal

[dark snow]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oleKMJqA this is me

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 95

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.2

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (78) / Warlock (10)

General:

▸ Health: 2,110, Regen: 17.37/s
▸ Mana: 407.98, Regen: 13.28/s
▸ Ward Retention: 340%, Regen: 36/s
▸ Attributes: 18 Str / 5 Dex / 170 Int / 5 Att / 6 Vit
▸ Resistances: 81% / 92% / 114% / 80% / 122% / 119% / 44%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 34%, Threshold: 506
▸ Dodge Chance: 1% (23)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 34% (1,672)

Used skills:

Reaper Form / Death Seal / Rip Blood / Transplant / Drain Life

[solid totem]

First thing you are using the wrong wand lol

[dark snow]

what the fuc

[dark snow]

this is crazy

damn

[crystal escarp]

oh really, there 2 alch wands

[solid totem]

You need the mad alchemist ladle not the alchemist ladle

Mad alc gives cast speed scaling with intelligence, and also more damage with ailments

It is a huge difference

[dark snow]

oh shit makes sense why the build feels a bit meh

[solid totem]

You also need to cap endurance, and get more HP

[dark snow]

where do i find this mad lad you speak of

[dark snow]

oh i will keep your build for reference

[solid totem]

It drops from the experimental rune dude

Cant remember the name

But those rune caches

[dark snow]

that shit isnt dropping man

fuc's arent mad enough

[solid totem]

You playin COF?

[dark snow]

does it drop from that woven experimental

yeah

level 11 cof

[solid totem]

Ah right, Im playing MG so I dont really know how COF works haha

[dark snow]

damn

is MG any good

havent given it a chance since it was so buggy

[solid totem]

If you know how to make money its stronger

[dark snow]

1.25?

might as well try the lottery

[crystal escarp]

more lvl more chance more corruption more chance im sure alrdy was looted many of them on 300+ corrupt

[dark snow]

ahh i spec into that shit and farm it today

[solid totem]

In the meantime you would be better off with an exalted wand

[dark snow]

oh

what about that white orb wand that drops?

[solid totem]

The wand you are using is absolute dogshit, I wonder if you have even read its stats haha

[dark snow]

i did one time

i was like same same

[solid totem]

It gives melee attack stats dude...

[dark snow]

which i found weird

but the picture

i went off the picture

[solid totem]

Jeez

[dark snow]

look i am a simple man

i see same icon i go same same

[solid totem]

You also need more crit chance over multi

See if you can get some on your helm/chest

[dark snow]

oh so new wand with t7 crit chance will do wonders?

[solid totem]

Yeah just get a crit chance/multi wand with necrotic pen

[dark snow]

okay

thank you

[solid totem]

Gl dude

[austere steppe]

just got this, is it worth putting it on a LP3? I'm doing a warlock build, no guide

[crystal escarp]

suggest on lp 3 to use double exile affixes t6 t7

[austere steppe]

is it because lp3 is too rare?

[solid totem]

If you have time sure, the right t7/t6 double exalts will take considerable time to craft

[obtuse quest]

Double exalted items are less rare than a good 3lp, so yes.

[solid totem]

Even on MG I think it takes too long haha, so I only do it for 4LP

[austere steppe]

thats fair

back to the farm

[noble basin]

Guys, better Skel Mages or Death Knights ?

[gaunt drift]

highly disagree lol. Maybe it depends on the 3 LP cuz some are rarer than others but I've played for like 700 hours and could count on one hand how many good exalts I got with more than one T6+ affix I wanted. The number of 3 LP items is way, way higher lol

[obtuse quest]

We have Havocs and Redemptions now, so it's easier to get double exalteds you want

[noble basin]

Havoc and Redemption just introduced on season 2 ?

[obtuse quest]

Yes

[crystal escarp]

u can change affixes on item with double them with new runes

[solid totem]

They are a godsend this season

[narrow path]

Short question: If I have more than one Golem, do their various aura effects (like extra armor for other minions):
a) affect each other
b) stack
?

[obtuse quest]

Yes, no.

[narrow path]

Okay thanks 🙂

[fervent basalt]

hmmm it sounds nice

what about skeleton archmage build, that you summon only one?

is it good

[narrow path]

Some shade questions
a) Can a single minion have both Infernal and Dread shade attached? (assuming you have the node for minion attachement of course)
b) Do multiple Dread Shades stack their benefits (if all in the same area)
c) Does a minion attached dread shade damage all minions in the area or just the one it is attached to?

[obtuse quest]

Yes,No,Just the attatched target.

[narrow path]

Thanks again!

[lament kernel]

do i need a idol with minion hits applying doom when most of my damage is fire minions?

[obtuse quest]

Doom? You mean marked for death? If so, yes, since marked for death lowers all res by 20%

[lament kernel]

your right its death 😅 ok so i should keep that 😇

[finite galleon]

oh yeah that debuff is the nutty nuts

btw how goes your fire minion build trinity

[lament kernel]

mine has 7% ^^

i feel much better at 250 corruption

[finite galleon]

if you're running an army of minions 7% is more than enough

[lament kernel]

im having the idea of using this wraithlord helm to make my minions stronger but then dont use wraith anymore because the helm would eat them all 😅

like i have 11 fire archers and found that body chest can have +1 max skeletons so i could have 12 fire archers 😊

[finite galleon]

Yes, that's a solid approach, minion flat dmg do be juicy

you know you can equip wraithlord when summoning non wraith minions, then switch to your normal helmet to summon wraiths right?

[lament kernel]

yeah i thought so because of this snapshotting but that is annyoing ^^

[finite galleon]

as long as you don't change zones and don't do something too weird with your skills or equipment, it'll work out

hmm yeah if you don't like it

don't do it

but can you really bear the burden of ditching your loyal wraiths just like that

feelsbadman

[lament kernel]

oh and i saw that helms can have +3 golem and 900 armor ....the +golem is fine and could give golems more damage or overall minions more damage but the 900 minion armor with just 1 affix sounds really cool 😎

i have have 2 wraith and they dont do fire damage :/

[finite galleon]

wait why not

[lament kernel]

do they can?

[finite galleon]

there're flame wraiths

[lament kernel]

also for helm im thinking about this tundra helm because it gives extra life regneration 😇

your right flame wraith 🙀 but needs more points and only has a chance to appear 😅

[finite galleon]

if you're using that strife relic, life regen do be the most important stat of them all

[lament kernel]

what is strife relic? 😅

[finite galleon]

there're two by two idols that give you more chance to summon flame wraiths, maybe write a filter rule for those and try them out

[atomic atlas]

think u can get mark of death chance with flame wraith on them too

[lament kernel]

awww but im filled with idols for death and minion fire damage with health for me and minion fire penetration ^^

[finite galleon]

A relic that lets a portion of your life regen also become ward regen. Was very strong, got nerfed this patch, but still looks pretty solid

[lament kernel]

i think i saw this on last epoch tools but im more interested in this flower relic that gives life reg 😇

[lament kernel]

that would be awesome

[finite galleon]

I strongly suspect you like the flower relic partly because it's pretty

[lament kernel]

pretty is important too you dont understand 😋

[finite galleon]

[lament kernel]

being pretty is as important as having good affixes 😋

[finite galleon]

Tbh kinda true, which is why I stay away from weirdchamp pets such as skellies or wraiths.

[green quail]

is ghostflame even useable any more? i always like running around with flames lol

[obtuse quest]

Much more commitment needed, only useful as a defensive

[green quail]

sorry as like the main skill

[fervent basalt]

@Salty(only plays pets) whats your kınk with pretty and cute stuff

[obtuse quest]

Never was useful as main, it was always some sort of defensive enabler

[hollow turret]

anyone able to help me with my class?

[obtuse quest]

Gotta ask the question first-

[hollow turret]

wdym

[obtuse quest]

If you ask it here, someone will most likely help you.

[hollow turret]

ight im just trying to build my lich haha

[obtuse quest]

Any core idea or concept?

[hollow turret]

stygian gunner build

[obtuse quest]

There’s enough build guides on that build style, what do you exactly need help on?

[hollow turret]

just target farming certain items

[obtuse quest]

For that, the answer is most likely “mark it in your item filter, imprint in in your woven tree, and start praying.” Espically non-uniques.

[solid totem]

I recommend looking up items on lastepochtools

It tells you where to farm the items and with what droprate

[gray spear]

@pastel pagoda any luck with Uber aberroth as wraithlord?

[pastel pagoda]

So far, just packing

[pastel pagoda]

And how are you doing?

[fervent basalt]

so are cyromancers ice lances pierces?

[gray spear]

I understand the mechanics and get to the small circle phase pretty consistently now, but there are too many void beams that I can't heal through or avoid

[obtuse quest]

I don’t think so?

[pastel pagoda]

my maximum is half hp xD

too much spam

the second ring is ready

[gray spear]

Yeah, there's a lot to avoid and plan for, but that's the challenge, and it's great!
The full beam coverage is just unfair for builds that don't heal or have as much damage as falconer/runemaster

[pastel pagoda]

new meta xD

[gray spear]

Nice - I just have 1 like that and use a turquoise as the other.
For Uber, turquoise with HP is great though

[gray spear]

Does anyone know if blood infusion works?
I have a splatter in the same place as a minoin, but there's no buff shown when hovering over it whether I'm casting on the enemy or on the minion itself using marrow drinker

[vivid kernel]

this may be relevant

didnt spec into minions so i cant check myself

[obtuse quest]

Iirc there should be some sort of small bone with red effects circling them. They're pretty hard to spot,and I don't think they have a buff icon.

[azure dawn]

i dont see anyone play bleed warlock anymore? why is that

[gray spear]

That makes sense - there's definitely no icon.
I don't see any small bone with red effects either though

[obtuse quest]

I can help you find out if it's working, give me like 5-10mins.

[gray spear]

sweet, ty!

I joined a voice channel

[obtuse quest]

Oh these bastards changed the effect.

Hold on, let me SS

Waitno

Something is wrong lmao

[gray spear]

Yeah, it seems like it's maybe working, but there's no visual

[obtuse quest]

Okay I don't see the effect.

It's working, but the effect is MIA.

150 hits to 170 ish hits

Yeah I can see the attack speed buff making a difference

[gray spear]

That's what I'm seeing - I had to try with a skeleton rather than the wraithlord to notice anything

0 visuals though

[obtuse quest]

Yeah, visuals are bugged.

GG bugreport it

[gray spear]

yep, will do

[rain verge]

Hey guys how’s it’s going

Wondering if it’s better to just make my volatile zombie one giant big one so that it can self res with my gear

That way I can full on embrace the lazy necromancer life style

[obtuse quest]

The answer is simple: No, because this downside exists.

[rain verge]

oh 😔

[obtuse quest]

just run normal sizes zombies, wear two copies of the revive ring, and just super buff them by other means.

[pastel pagoda]

[rain verge]

That’s smart I gotta get another copy

[obtuse quest]

Two rings=two zombies

[vivid kernel]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oPPqJW3o
is trying to scale physical with this build of mine a bit misguided?
Spirit plague can't be converted to physical, and i cant take advantage of all the free necro resist. Feels like im working against the skills and class instead of with it

[stuck owl]

Warlock, Level 60

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.2

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Warlock (53)

General:

▸ Health: 924, Regen: 44.2/s
▸ Mana: 355.3, Regen: 13.12/s
▸ Ward Retention: 182%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 1 Str / 1 Dex / 71 Int / 4 Att / 16 Vit
▸ Resistances: 185% / 79% / 116% / 93% / 82% / 152% / 86%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 185
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (31)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 14% (193)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 11%

Used skills:

Rip Blood / Chaos Bolts / Bone Curse / Spirit Plague / Chthonic Fissure

[vivid kernel]

also, this build of mine is a bleed warlock

that i just posted above

im a complete beginner and cooked it myself so it might be horrible though

[azure dawn]

you probably want to use that bleed axe

[vivid kernel]

which item are you referring to so i can go look it up

[obtuse quest]

Unless I'm blind, there's no melee in that build?

[vivid kernel]

ah doesnt fit the build

im spell based

yea

[azure dawn]

you would want to use chaos bolt proccing harvest

[vivid kernel]

my loop goes like this:
cast spirit plague -> lay down fissure -> chaos bolt to trigger rip blood and blood curse, fissure itself also triggers chaos bolt. Stacks bleed and like 5 curses

[obtuse quest]

That would work, but they'll have to stack dex.

[azure dawn]

you just need like 9 dex

because of how many hits chaos bolt does

so basically fissure would proc chost bolt and that would proc harvest and basically the bleed stacks ramp up

[wintry flame]

I'm back on Necro guys

HoA is still trash to play

[obtuse quest]

You can still use overcap necro res with boneclamor and the ward decay per necro res node. It doesn't clash. Singulartiy does nothing for DoT, drop it like the garbage it is.

Chalice (https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/UAzAswdgRiA) is a better relic if you're bleed focused.

Thornslinger (https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/UAzCMCZgFiA) is a potential belt choice.

Blood of Exile (https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/UAzBMGZgNiA) Is probably a must have in any bleed build.

Flayer's (https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/UAwRgrATCxA) is a decent unique shield to run if you need more bleed pen along with defense.

[obtuse quest]

Hey, at least it's slightly better now since HS can extend it-
Also welcome back time to cook.

[wintry flame]

that's what I had theorycrafted and shit lmao

[vivid kernel]

oh i get it, yea its a pivot but i see it makes sense

[vivid kernel]

thanks ill need to read these items

[pearl snow]

Chalic is great for bleed

[wintry flame]

I saw Trikster came out with a video saying people figured it out on reddit, I was like this was literally the build I was testing 😛 but it's still bad automating black arrows and extending duration. it needs to be something you can move around or make the area huge

[obtuse quest]

IF you want to pivot to harvest proc, there's also one other weapon unique that can help:
https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/UAzCcEYFZyA
Casts rip blood on melee hit.

[pearl snow]

Depending on helmet & tree you can do up to 8 or 9 I think

[azure dawn]

thats basically how the bleed fissure worked you use that axe to essentially ramp up the bleed stacks and no with the guarantee 1lp you can get dex pretty easily

but idk how the damage is on bleed warlock i have never played it, looks cool but dont see other ppl playing it

[pearl snow]

Kzb I’ve been cooking 1 Big Chaos Bolt for a week now and it just doesn’t work

Am sadge

Biggest crit was like 70k which is almost viable but its so inconsistent

[wintry flame]

so I got like 3 builds

[pearl snow]

Bleed lock is good, gets outpaced in higher corruption by Torment

[wintry flame]

poison skele rogues, golemancer, or skele mages. What we thinking?

[vivid kernel]

those passives feel very difficult to make work, the mana cost must be insane

[obtuse quest]

No it doesn't work. You're killing it's biggest upside. Why would you do that.

[azure dawn]

but torment so zzzzzzz to play

[pearl snow]

1 big bolt is a more multiplier

[obtuse quest]

Join the witchfire infernal shade spam gang

[obtuse quest]

But losing 3-5(?) projectiles means it's hard to make up the difference. Missing it will make your mana cry.

[azure dawn]

how is the damage?

[pearl snow]

Witchfire is great for AoE

[pearl snow]

Up to 50 mana per cast kekw

I managed to mostly solve the mana problem

[obtuse quest]

Yeah screw that, I'll stick to normal CBs

[pearl snow]

But issue is it takes way to much outta you

[obtuse quest]

One projectile also means it's regulated to being hit-based.

[pearl snow]

Yeppers

I wanted crit and hit but its not big enough

[azure dawn]

whata bout bagel lock + witchfire

[vivid kernel]

i was baited into more projectiles and big big damage until i found out mana is actually an issue in LE and respecced

[obtuse quest]

Your witchfire is just another DoT in the pile, kinda doesn't add that much compared to normal bagellock.

[pearl snow]

Yeah best CB more proj is the helmet mod lol

I’ll probably go back and update my bleed lock honestly. I had 2 people complain about leveling into empowered monos so clearly my guide is missing something cuz I had a fine time lol

[obtuse quest]

More projectiles isn't that bad if you take like 2/4.

4/4 kills your mana though

[azure dawn]

yeah i kind of wanted to warlock this season but it seems like you have to pick weather you want really good single target with the whip build or you want fast clear with witchfire

[vivid kernel]

this randomly dropped for me and i havent taken out this helmet since, i think once i get more passives to spec soul stealer i might give the more projectiles 2/4 a try

[azure dawn]

but not both sadly

[pearl snow]

For example my 1 big bolt and mana consumption could only handle 3/4 + mana consumption but I had lots of regen

Omg T7 is 65%

[pearl snow]

Yeah, Torment is a great all rounder but weaker at both lmao

For good reason

It is torment

[obtuse quest]

The helm affix only works on directl casts, the normal + proj node works even if procced, like by fissure, so upsides and downsides.

[pearl snow]

Flame Whip seems like it accidently got buffed into the sky, however I doubt anyone found that % Inc damage increases your poison dmg till now

[vivid kernel]

oh shit i didnt know it only worked on direct casts. I do direct cast it but losing on fissure procs was new to me

oh wait, it says it. right in the affix, i need to read

[obtuse quest]

If you want both you need to cook your own style, my witchfire infernal is better at bossing than normal witchfire imo, but only by a bit.

[pearl snow]

Fissure has like a 60% chance to so no extra proj rightb

?

[pearl snow]

Did you change off HS?

[obtuse quest]

OH has a chance. OOF, same problem with big zombies.

[pearl snow]

Lelele

Yeah

[obtuse quest]

Not yet, planning to once I find a actual good mace. HS is serving me damn well for bossing so far.

[pearl snow]

I imagine HS has the highest “lower” dmg output outta everything we’ve found in here

Stupid easy to start up

I think if you find a 3Lp Firestarters well rolled vs a BiS mace its like a 10-40% more multiplier difference and thats because you want T6+ on that set item

Which sucks to attempt

[obtuse quest]

Real

firestarters is easier to build into, but BiS mace has top ceiling

[pearl snow]

Plus everyone loves a non meta spell like HS

I’ve also tinkered with Damned Frostbite again because I’m just kinda dumb

But you’d need some silly set items to make it nicer