📚┃off-topic

[abstract karma]

this one is only tho is quite stable.. you can use it as ball

[fierce moth]

hah... What a long journey is. Learnt blender from zero and it's the 1st render I made!
Maybe add many plants will looks more cool... But I'm not sure how to make plants in blender yet

[junior oyster]

I'm a bit late to the party when it comes to poe2 stuff but damn that trailer looked peak af

That said I'm still skipping got other games to play

Oops I meant poe2

[desert jasper]

You're more than welcome to skip it, if you feel like it

Nobody is forcing you to play it, after all

[junior oyster]

I mean yea no shit

[desert jasper]

Just kinda weird that "looks peak af" but "i'll skip it

[junior oyster]

I guess I didn't write other reasons but another one is basically work means I'm less motivated to play poe2. I'm far too slow for a game like that

[fierce moth]

lol discord have another wave of issue... Unable to load parts of profile

[junior oyster]

Yea

[fierce moth]

and I can't send pictures

[junior oyster]

Yea

[warped wren]

There's no competition or race. Even with the new atlas I would bet a pile of cash that the economy is still gonna be pretty cooked a week or two in so you'll still be able to farm up to buy whatever you want

[abstract karma]

i just hate on poe 2 market that it has 3 currencies which switch within first 2 weeks exa -> anull -> chaos

[warped wren]

Idk how that even matters but whatever floats your boat

[junior oyster]

Sadly I just don't have the patience to play poe2 right now

[narrow token]

It does require more from you than other games like it imo.

[jovial bane]

it's almost like a job

[mental talon]

Megablood...

[placid yarrow]

loss sadge

how a naut corki loses vs a smolder nami early game is a mystery to me

Tf was also perma scared to gold card engage so we had nothing lategame vs their scaling comp

[fierce moth]

I don't has a job so it's fine

le's content is like a job more imo because it's repeat and repeat and repeat single thing, complete prophecies

oh if you're a pro... It's one shot uberroth

hah a new day begins. Go on crafting more paper cranes.

[junior oyster]

Somehow despite having a job I do better than you kirra 🤣

[warped wren]

that's fair lol

I just changed my mindset about both games last couple leagues

I have accepted the dad gaming mindset and chilled out

and it's funny that after accepting that I had probably my most profitable PoE1 AND 2 leagues ever lol

[neon sigil]

Honestly my friends that work like 70 hours a week somehow manage to farm more than me each league.

[fierce moth]

your friends works 70h per week but still go harder than you in poe?! What

It must high-spirit form

[fierce moth]

A paper crane gift box I made for myself ☑️
It mean my friends have a good place to sleep :)

24cm x 24cm for 9 cranes

[warped wren]

Most of it would probably just boil down to game knowledge about what, how and when to craft

[neon sigil]

these guys literally print multiple mirrors a league. It's insane.

[neon sigil]

yeah that's one of them, another one is just insane with buildmaking and farming strats.
Makes me feel noob for sure.

[fierce moth]

Maybe I should play a new 3a game. It's not a new game but it's new for me.

[vagrant topaz]

Is that the "new" one?

The one with kratos as a dad

[fierce moth]

37% downloaded only now, I should play a bit solitaire

[desert jasper]

Dad of boi

[abstract karma]

isnt it way of approach ? I mean if you play for fun or fun build you like its different than made build directly for easy map/boss farming
Speed is what unfortunately matter most in Arpg like PoE

Then there is crafting market but that's different league

[fierce moth]

hhhhhhhhh

Give me god of war

No, thanks.

[fierce moth]

emmmmmm I miss photo mode in space marine 2 now

God of war's one worse than that

RB is the key for both of switch options and take photos on xbox controller so I even can't take a photo... Silly

Oh but more filters god of wars have than space marine 2

[fierce moth]

🤔 Interesting, one-shot mechanic exist in both of games

[junior oyster]

I usually have the patience for poe1 but poe2 is too much antifun for me icl

[fierce moth]

Poor patience I have for complex UI to check out which weapon/gear I'm wearing and which part I can upgrade

God of war is a game which includes this point unfortunately 🌚

Multi-level menu, yes

[ebon meadow]

Arpg mentality Vs soul like (ISH)

[fierce moth]

Play god of war let me want to play space marine 2 more 😂

I dislike adventures which with a child indeed...

[ebon meadow]

U going to make people mad xdd god of war has crazy community

I could debate vs Warhammer I guess ,witch one is bigger

Ok speaking two languages same time is weird

[jovial bane]

idk, lots of people dislike Atreus

I wouldn't say he is hated character, but definitely not beloved by everyone

[fierce moth]

I maybe like kids if I can live in an environment without kids are yelling and slamming doors

[fierce moth]

https://www.twitch.tv/subnautica Unknown world start their early access showcase live

The chat window of stream just scrolling and scrolling, 35K+ people watching, The server is flooded by messages

https://www.youtube.com/@PointCrow/videos 🤔 I never know this youtuber until this stream

Update: Get why I never hear him. None of videos he made interest me to click because I don't have corresponding gaming experience. It's quite European or American.

A uber-popular youtuber join in the official stream... Make part of sense

[fierce moth]

Last time I'm hyped by deep sea environments in a game is in sanctums from sea of thieves... Quite curious about why this game can attract so much people to play

[sand wigeon]

sea of thieves is rly the only good sailing game on the market, especially when it comes to pvp

it’s also a game whose innate progression is simply unlocking more cosmetics, so you get to just have fun and do quests from the beginning

people like the combat and environments

[fierce moth]

Fine, I just jealous at any people who their work appreciated by lots of people. It's applied at any game devs work in any popular games

[sand wigeon]

and how many of those positions have been at chinese companies, where you can speak a language you know?

[fierce moth]

Zero. Because Chinese companies will not expose exact people in interview videos usually. Art director is the only people in front of cameras

🤔 They do interviews or showcase lives? Don't think so...

[warped wren]

I think that's a pretty big compliment to the writing. He's a child growing into a teenager who was neglected by his father for years until suddenly his only caregiver passed and he was left alone with his father in a brutal world. He's supposed to be difficult

I'm a massive fan of the writing of both games, and even the gameplay actually

[fierce moth]

hhhhhh cats can sleep on anywhere. So check out your curtains when you can't find your cats.

[warped wren]

I've heard a lot of praise for Windrose as well

[desert jasper]

Didn't windrose have a large problem with essentially killing ssds?

[sand wigeon]

actually dunno much about that, it’s probably good tho

[warped wren]

oh did it, damn

I just know that it was a huge hit with its demo on Steam NEXTFest and then absolutely exploded in popularity when it launched

[desert jasper]

Yeah, apparently it was doing constant rewriting on the ssd
it did apparently get patched though

[warped wren]

it's an indie team isn't it

I was looking at it but I've never really gelled with survival games

[abstract karma]

^ too even pure RPG ones idk maybe its because i once played minecraft.. After that all survival games seems to me like minecraft even it's idiotic feeling 😄

[junior oyster]

I'm guessing Subnautica 2 will have mp
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6t2nDHldoSk

Wonder if it'll explode in popularity on release day

[jovial bane]

yesn't, they've cut it down by 80%

So it only puts the strain on your SSD like 20 games combined

[abstract karma]

what it had hidden agenda behind - "crash their SSD to buy new one under crises of HW" 🤔

[desert jasper]

Oh please

[fierce moth]

Fun to rewatch past experience relevant to abyssal... Octopus that never die

[jovial bane]

I think that SSD issue is clear cut case of rookie devs making their first game

[fierce moth]

oh yes they even bring green dot aura to wander around

Be regret to record too less videos now...

[warped wren]

I love this game so much lol

[fierce moth]

hah I can use new keyboard to play poe 2 and test how my action skills going

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmyK1NiPJVE What a terrible combat I acted lol

[fierce moth]

:(...

[jovial bane]

403 forbidden ?

wtf

[fierce moth]

It's fine, I can enter now

[jovial bane]

oh, okay.
Weird that it happened though

[junior oyster]

@mental talon new boss is very interesting.

I didn't play sts2 for a while so the update automatically replaced ||doormaker|| lol

[fierce moth]

I never play subnautica but a story relate to that I reminded of last night:

A Chinese player translated the whole game without asking any returns but he's gone because of caneer in 2017 unfortunately, unknown world released a in-game item, a translator and left his nickname on credit after knew this thing.

This story have been be spreaded widely. Never imagine I'll touch this studio again after a few years but it's the sequel now

[junior oyster]

A Chinese streamer was the reason slay the spire got so popular

[twilit mountain]

I got absolutely rolled at a Riftbound event yesterday xdd

[desert jasper]

Get rolled

[pine summit]

(nte, pathtracing)

[fierce moth]

yes, pathtracing

[junior oyster]

Ok turns out uber lilith is no joke rip

[desert jasper]

Well I wouldn't expect any uber to be a joke

[junior oyster]

Yea she slaps hard

[desert jasper]

You go tto slap back harder

[fierce moth]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2582320/Mixtape/
Don't even know Annapurna Interactive release a new game if I don't click Lirik's twitch

Oh gosh. It must be a spoiler.

[jovial bane]

oh dear lord, that one is a drama bomb rn

[fierce moth]

drama bomb? why

[jovial bane]

basically game reviewing outlets showered it with 10/10s and people are mad, because well game journos

and it's "pick your flavor of mad" buffet: some because 2 hours long title less interactive than telltale game should not be a game, some because one journo thanked the devs for cd player and something alongside the game, some because they hate game journos, some because 10/10s are rare and they think it getting way higher score compared to "their game" score is insulting

typical culture war drama

[fierce moth]

🤔 What I can think is... Van will interested in that because he's a teen in 90s

This game for Americans more maybe because the location of this story is a American town

[jovial bane]

Yeah, that's fair.
It's pretty much the premise of it, and looking at steam score it's likely a decent game.

[warped wren]

Average 2026 YT grifter farm

[jovial bane]

Personally I'd skip it, because 2 hours is too short

[warped wren]

Imagine if people go back to realizing that reviews are just personal opinions

[jovial bane]

Personally more like a joke of an industry, but considering everyone who is against this game thinks the same ? I don't understand why people care about what game journos say

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[warped wren]

I'm just sick of YT review grifting, idc if I agree with the sentiment or not, all of those channels could get wiped tomorrow and it would be a net positive for humanity

[jovial bane]

At this point I'm convinced gaming journalism sites are gifting as well, but they are usually ragebaiting for clicks. And it works

Yeah I agree with that as well

I'm tired of culture wars in games

[fierce moth]

Let me confirm a thing, journos = journey?

[jovial bane]

journalists

[warped wren]

Since all their revenue is ad revenue, that's probably accurate because clicks = money

In fact if I were running a game journalism company and had zero morals, I'd push as much ragebait as possible

[jovial bane]

Yup

[fierce moth]

🤔 😂 Ok I see what happened

Know how to make drama to get more money is an ability too

I thought mixtape is a short film at the beginning and wondered why it release on ns 2, xbox and ps

[jovial bane]

afaik it could be a short film if you just removed the button prompts from the screen

But tbf that's needlessly complex discussion about what is a video game

[fierce moth]

🤷‍♀️ I never buy a game from Annapurna Interactive since cocoon

[jovial bane]

they've made cocoon ?

[fierce moth]

Last time this publisher appear in my media is...Stray, that cat-focused cyberpunk walk simulator

[jovial bane]

ah, this game was fairly popular when it relased

[fierce moth]

No, just published

[jovial bane]

still, pretty good indie portfolio

[fierce moth]

Games they released after cocoon just never are my tea

[jovial bane]

Fair enough, but that's what I like about indie games. There is a lot of variety to choose from

[fierce moth]

Lushfoil Photography Sim...Oh yes, this is a creative "game" though

[jovial bane]

I've just grabbed this game. Cairn is basically mountain climbing game
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1588550/Cairn/

played only for a couple of hours, but it's fun. Not for everyone, but I like it

It has the odd blend of chill atmosphere paired with frustration and stress of mountain climbing

[fierce moth]

I purchased jusant but didn't finish it yet

[jovial bane]

I have jusant from humble bundle I think, wanted to try it out but Cairn looked more like something I'd like

I think Jusant is more chill

I've wanted something to chill out with, but still be challenging after the brain wracking and stress spiral that's Three Kingdoms Total War 😂

[junior oyster]

I'm at the phase in d4 where I can't seem to progress further than t6. It feels bad man

Like I can do t7 and even t8 to an extent but it takes longer

[twilit mountain]

Gotta start filtering for GAs and ancestral gear, and farm our uniques you may need

[junior oyster]

Oh yea I have been doing that

I wonder if I should just drop wartable and try just farming bosses

[twilit mountain]

Also crafting is very strong if you haven't been workin with that at all; you can abuse the system and lock in an affix you want to keep by enchanting (assuming it isn't like, a 4GA lol)

[junior oyster]

GA?

[twilit mountain]

Greater Affix

[junior oyster]

Oh yea

It doesn't help that I'm playing sorc though

[twilit mountain]

Oh that's the DPS class of the season lol

[junior oyster]

And relying on unstable currents for the heavy work

I might survive better with temerity so I'll give that a shot

Need to farm it though so yea

[twilit mountain]

Temerity is an easy farm iirc

[junior oyster]

Yea

I killed the boss a few times but didn't get the drop

Ngl UC feels like archon all over again lol

Damn wrong helm lol

[twilit mountain]

Uh

So

You using that?

[junior oyster]

Using this atm

I kinda need the cdr lol

[twilit mountain]

Do you plan on using the Heir? Cuz like, I'd fire a Blizzard employee for one lmao

[junior oyster]

Are you after it?

[twilit mountain]

Yeah, that and the funny resource cost ring

Ah wait

[junior oyster]

Ok you owe one then

[twilit mountain]

Can't trade mythics nvm

[junior oyster]

Lol nvm

[twilit mountain]

I forgor

[junior oyster]

Yea rip

I understand but it still sucks

[twilit mountain]

I will remain in hell. Thematic I suppose xdd

[junior oyster]

I also dropped this but I suppose this isn't all that lol

[twilit mountain]

That's a Pit speeding item iirc

[junior oyster]

Damn any specific class?

Rogue?

Too bad I can't reroll on uniques

[twilit mountain]

Spiritborn I think. Rogue has its own speed demon setup (it takes insane amounts of effort to make functional)

[junior oyster]

Oh alright

[twilit mountain]

For real, we all feeling that awful choice

[junior oyster]

Heck if it had life on hit it would be almost perfect for a non-ga item lol

Only way to reroll is recycle and I kinda hate that ngl

[twilit mountain]

Solidly something I'll call out as Not A Good Idea. I understand what they were going for. But. There's a bunch of mods that are just useless on many uniques. So like, maybe at least remove those from the pool

[junior oyster]

Yeap

I think d3 had a similar issue lol

Oops didn't think I was on t8 lool

Oh wait no I wasn't

Nvm I'm dumb

Damn it I get so close but no cigar lol

[placid yarrow]

Didn't know taking someone face was so explosive lol

[junior oyster]

It could be from an item or trait or something

Going to give up on lilith for now and just sort of do other stuff

That or I can probably ask someone in game to help me out lol

[mental talon]

https://x.com/pathofexile/status/2053622990311448876

[desert jasper]

Tbh I'm more annoyed that it's not an indie studio at all and it's pretending to be indie studio
Other than that the game looks like shit

[pine summit]

i just see it like stranger things

cheap nostalgia bait stuff gets high review scores

not worth worrying about

[jovial bane]

oh right, there was millionaire funding behind the scenes iirc

[desert jasper]

Only one of the richest people on the planet

The owner of Oracle Corp

[junior oyster]

I just can't get my head around lilith phase 2

So damn annoying lol

[fierce moth]

Understand what I can do on commuting time now. Craft more of my friends :)

How Chinese mobile games do promotion to get more money:

I wonder which English word for this type of mini merch shop which open in a mall in a short time only 🤔

Chinese is kuaishan

[junior oyster]

Deaths 0 but then I died in a poison pool lol

[fierce moth]

👀 A new bistro opened in a fancy mall recently, I'm curious about what products are they selling, clicked the menu, a few types of focaccia bread and sour bread with common western ingredients...

Like food you mentioned. It's come from the result of searching focaccia.

The interesting thing is... Common western food in US and Europe can sell well with a high price in China because middle-class people want to show them in their social medias.

[jovial bane]

I don't think there is one

Also classic with food pricing

It's pretty much everywhere, foreign cuisine will have a premium markup

[fierce moth]

Hah interesting... Different marketing strategy

Maybe because Americans & Europeans dislike shopping in malls & malls are too far away from their houses (well geographical + cultural feature)

[jovial bane]

nah, malls are popular in europe afaik

[fierce moth]

🤔 \o\

[fierce moth]

Oh, sn2 even can pre-purchase and pre-load since now

[fierce moth]

alright, candied guavas is quite yummy because they're chewy but guava flavour jelly... Quite bad

[junior oyster]

In the end I got somebody to help me with lilith

Oh well

[placid yarrow]

hmmm

[sand wigeon]

if i looked at mine it’d just be karma, ahri and kindred lol

tho i’m thinking of trying out vi top lane

[placid yarrow]

Vi is a good time

I used to play quite a bit of critality Vi a while before it started becoming more popular

[sand wigeon]

yeah ik vi is mostly played as a jungler rn tho

but i was looking for someone to play top lane

[desert jasper]

No idea what mine would show
it's been some years since I played

[fierce moth]

Alright I understand what work steal time the most if environment artists must model from zero... Fix topology likes edges and vertex

2h is quite easy to be gone

[jovial bane]

I've played Vi top at first, but I don't remember what sucked about her

I feel like it was overreliance on Q, but it's been forever ago

[fierce moth]

Cool, the whole afternoon is spent on figuring out this segment, from how to build a curve to how to rebuild topology

[junior oyster]

One of my endgame items seems to have dropped

[fierce moth]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/G8M_JeGLtXk Cool, but I have instant noodles only hhhh

I bet 1h is need to cook that even you have all ingrediants

[jovial bane]

not worth it, jesus that's a lot of work

comments are roasting how long it takes, and they are not wrong

you can probably cook full english breakfast in that time

[sand wigeon]

she’s not super self reliant which is bad for a top laner so

[neon sigil]

I'm drawin :v

[twilit mountain]

That you are

[fierce moth]

What can you get if you spent 1h on a new origami:

First time to craft a paper 🐦

The lesson I get from this origami is 25x25cm is the minimum size if I want to craft this bird and it's better to use a paper as thin as possible because so many layers it'll get later

[fierce moth]

oh always can know which new game just released by opening twitch

[fierce moth]

Oh, 60USD...

Like a film with a 3a-level price

Make sense. A choice matter type of game.

[fierce moth]

😂 Well, good questions!

[narrow token]

I can't believe that's legal anywhere. Wild.

[mental talon]

https://youtu.be/86MS6GHBAOg?si=KY5QC8jwoHM9zJ5F

[warped wren]

I knew Twisters would be good, nice to see a demo of it

hopefully my specific idea also works

[fierce moth]

wow damn My Jesus holy lord. Spirit walker introduction let me realize it's the 1st ascendency which I want to try all ascendency paths

\o/ too cool. The level of cool is out of the capacity my words can afford

Oh but I never play any idols...

lol GGG thought what I thought.
“If you like the look of spirit walker, but need some further inspiration for what to do with her, we've put together a couple of endgame builds to give you ideas, kindly made by some of our developers”

[opal anvil]

what is it 👀

[fierce moth]

A gothic pattern mesh

I want to learn more on modeling gothic items so I used that as the first try

[opal anvil]

do you use curves?

i wanted to learn about them for animation

[fierce moth]

Bezier curves, yes

[opal anvil]

it's turning out well

[desert jasper]

Okay
The spirit walker looks very good

Lots of possibilities

[warped wren]

Idk about lots, I think it's more specialized than say Amazon or even Ritualist, but it does look good

[desert jasper]

Though I probably wouldn't start with it
The companion stuff seems expensive

[warped wren]

I'll start it, probably do Twisters

Those are already quite decent

[fierce moth]

Because of idols?

[desert jasper]

The uniques needed
I imagine the belt isn't going to be cheap
Because it doesn't always drop with the helmet modifier and it was shown in the video
I wouldn't be surprised if the new scepter is also a boss unique
And yeah, the idols aren't probably going to be that cheap either

And having a high dmg 1h weapon too

[gilded elm]

Very enjoyable rhythm game (name is Dead as Disco)

[junior oyster]

Is there a way to auto salvage items in d4? Like loot I don't care about? Picking everything up to make seal paste is kinda bleh

[junior oyster]

I wonder if this is good on pala

[maiden widget]

Don't think so

Auto salvage isn't a thing

Tyraels is good for speed clearing my barb uses it

[junior oyster]

Ah ok

[fierce moth]

Craft more paper friends today, includes 4 mini paper whales
(Origami is quite addicting)

[obtuse rune]

Those are cuuteee

[jovial bane]

pretty much the way I've used it on my pala, especially with judgement and source of shield iirc

some way to avoid losing HP anyway

Ultimately I think I kept it for that 20% damage reduction

[fierce moth]

I get an interesting photo on the internet

[desert jasper]

Kinda reminds me of Guinness + Monster mix
weirdly

Also I want a showcase of the Martial Artist already

[jovial bane]

I guess both have caffeine ?
and american coffee is more like sugar drink with coffee flavor, considering how sweet monster is that also adds up

[obtuse rune]

I'd be afraid to consume that thing haha

[jovial bane]

I think I would try it

[fierce moth]

👀 ...Different people see different things from the same picture indeed

[jovial bane]

tbf I'm braver than the most when it comes to trying out food

not brave enough to try insects or spiders, but yeah

I do love snails

[fierce moth]

I want to show that weird lady with half head exactly

[fierce moth]

how are you keep your spirit without any caffeine to work 8h, any tricks available?

[jovial bane]

actually wait, tartar steak and mett are two more foods I would not try

Which might be odd considering I love sashimi x'D

[junior oyster]

I never drink coffee or tea. I'm fine

[jovial bane]

I have no idea how, considering that when I've worked we all had sacred daily ritual of making coffee

[jovial bane]

Not drinking coffee I get, I rarely drink it myself. But not drinking tea is very surprising to hear. Now tell me you don't drink beer and that would be interesting xD

iirc top 4 most consumed drinks in the world in the order were water, tea, beer and coffee

[obtuse rune]

all natural energy haha

Something I've come to appreciate in my later years

[jovial bane]

iirc I did not need it to function, but my mood always been awful when I could not have my morning coffee at work

[silent steeple]

V-rising is free for the weekend, for those who are interested

[junior oyster]

I can't drink beer or alcohol for religious reasons

I do occasionally drink tea but it's usually green tea or mint. Something like that

[fierce moth]

what a wonderful gift the god gave you. You keep your vision well too?

[obtuse rune]

yup!

Very lucky 😆

[fierce moth]

I'm quite jealous of people who keep good vision and don't need a glass to see everything

[desert jasper]

Apparently my eyes did get slightly worse in last 4 years

[fierce moth]

Oh, includes animals... Although animals can't wear glass

[junior oyster]

I see a black dot sometimes. Might go to an optician soon

Right eye

[junior oyster]

Yes they do. Have you not seen the cartoons?

[fierce moth]

Cartoons... Well I know Tom and Jerry only

Almost 5:00? Oh I don't dry my hair yet

[jovial bane]

That makes me nervous, because literally every relative in the family wears them but me

I have no idea why my eyesight is still good

[desert jasper]

You should

Though optician might not be enough

[desert jasper]

Everyone in my family has them
other than my brother

[sand wigeon]

Watch King of the Hill

It's a classic

[fierce moth]

🤔 Less than 11h before sn 2's release

[desert jasper]

Funny looking at the news about them streamlining the poe2 campaign
with the vid showing examples
ppl are complaining that this is making the game too easy, why don't people like exploring and so on

[maiden widget]

cos there is nothing to find and make exploring worth it

[desert jasper]

Exactly

And we've done the campaign so many times already

And it's not like it's a bunch of yellow paint on the ground that say "FOLLOW THIS"

Like "ooh there's glowing roots that lead you to the tree where Sin is hanging"
but from the vid I barely noticed any glowing on it

"I'm going to be THAT guy too I guess...
You're making the game too soft. Not A good feature at aoo. It wasn't that hard to find the Entrances to begin with. It literally only took 30-45 minutes to blow throw act 1. Act 2 only takes 90 minutes to 2hrs. how much quicker do ya'll want it to be ?"

I don't think I've ever ran through act 1 in 30-45 minutes 🤔

[maiden widget]

poe2 campaign feels like an eternity

ill honestly not believe that someone does a2 in 90min either

the other big issue is you cant even play so much different stuff due to the super rigid gem unlocks

[desert jasper]

Tbh there was the speedrun of poe2 campaign in games done quick that was like
just below 3 hours

[junior oyster]

I don't mind exploring in a game like grim dawn but honestly I can't do it in poe lol. I only do the side quests that matter and just skip everything else

Even if I was playing ssf I'd still skip everything because I just want to get to the endgame

[maiden widget]

gd at least has some interesting dungeon content randomly

poe2 i just find too big like with d4

if they'd shrunken skovos and provided more gameplay the campaign woul've been better

[desert jasper]

Yeah, Grim Dawn has a lot of neat stuff in the world
So many secrets and easter eggs, environmental story telling
because you know, they don't have mapping system

[maiden widget]

i'd not make that connection, you could easily have both

[jovial bane]

exploring in aRPG 😂

especially one that's seasonal

[maiden widget]

well i think there's some place ot make not finding the correct™ path worthwhile

poe2 does not, it just feels awful not to find shit in the jungle

[jovial bane]

that's true

I think there might be some aRPG, especially older ones that made it somewhat rewarding but eh

in PoE it feels like waste of time, same in PoE2

it was in D3 and D4

in Last Epoch I do grab nemesis or the splendind chest I remember there is on the map, but that's about it

Unfortunately bar in this subgenre is on the floor, especially compared to RPGs

[junior oyster]

Same with d2 lol. The inspiration for poe xD

Maybe for a first time run it might be ok but after a bit you kinda lose interest

[jovial bane]

pretty much

[maiden widget]

but thats also normal isnt it, i've only done it in gd for the first run as well

[opal anvil]

ngl i'd rather not replay poe2 campaign ever

or poe1 for that matter

they are not interesting

[maiden widget]

then its main quest and later on optional caves

[opal anvil]

grim dawn campaign is pretty fun tho

i like to just make a lvl94 character with all gear for build equipped and go do campaign on ultimate

i can't imagine this being interesting to do in any other arpg i played

[fierce moth]

Beef sandwich but poor meat it includes, all flavour come from the bread and the sauce :(
4/10.

Meat I get from a McDonald's combo with the same price even more than that lol

[fierce moth]

I'm still a meat covered brain instead of a bread covered brain

[opal anvil]

dam, i haven't had a subway in years

[fierce moth]

Me too

The same feeling I have for their food unfortunately

[opal anvil]

it looks scary out of context haha

[fierce moth]

Scary?

Where's scary

[opal anvil]

like you described

like a brain 😆

[junior oyster]

I was wondering why my game kept giving me clips lol... stupid steelseries apps...

[junior oyster]

And I blame it on win update

[desert jasper]

Can blame everything on win updates tbh

[fierce moth]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/4214820/Game_of_Thrones_Kingsroad/
!?

I listened many soundtracks inspired by game of thrones but I don't know it have a PC game

Of course, I didn't watch this tv series too

Tonight will quite busy...

... Google play store 100% flashback when I search game of thrones

[fierce moth]

hah damn five cute direwolf!

This beginning is interesting. Five cute direwolf and one abandoned wolf.

[junior oyster]

What

[fierce moth]

lol the queen and the king is quite different at western and eastern...
On western, both of them just normal people with normal clothes, but people will greet them with my grace and kneel down.
On eastern, both of them are quite mysterious for citizens, they must own the most luxury clothes and jewellries, plus similar etiquettes western people would do.

[fierce moth]

I'm watching got s1

[junior oyster]

Depictions depends on the writers I guess. Although I'm not too aware of clothing history

[junior oyster]

Oh ok I never watched it

[fierce moth]

pog the ending... Quite shocking

oh ok I'll avoid something about story is spoiled

🤔 Done e1 s1, time to play sn 2

48 messages is produced in 2 mins under this limit. Their server is quite insane

hhhhhh I see why now.

As same as 2024. 02. 21 mean for EHG

[warped wren]

guess we're back to regularly scheduled programming

[junior oyster]

?

[warped wren]

unasked-for daily (often hourly) personal blogs

[real kayak]

I kinda enjoy it

[sand wigeon]

i kinda hate it

it interrupts any conversation and half the people even active in this channel have Kirra blocked

[junior oyster]

It depends on what she is talking about lol

For me

I have never blocked her but I did ignore her once when she was spoiling something lol

[jovial bane]

what conversations ?

[sand wigeon]

i’m pretty sure half this chat has you blocked too man

[jovial bane]

Welp, I need to do better then. Half is not enough

[silent steeple]

I played for an hour at my friend's today

Its everything I wanted and more...so far

[junior oyster]

Subnautica 2 is the now sts2

448k players right now

[silent steeple]

I mean it was long anticipated

Especially after the disappointment that was Below zero

[jovial bane]

I have no idea how to gauge whether Subnautica 2 is going to be good or not, considering Steam Reviews are not really trustworthy 😐

Hopefully it's closer to the first game ?

[junior oyster]

Oh it peaked at just over 467k yesterday

I thought it released today

[silent steeple]

Most of those reviews were dropped an hour after the game was accessible so there's that

But based on what lil time I spent on the game I'd say it is closer to the 1st one

[jovial bane]

hmm, that's reassuring

[silent steeple]

It could use some serious optimisation tho

[jovial bane]

I am surprised that Below Zero sits at 89% positive in english considering I've heard it's subpar

[silent steeple]

I mean its not a bad game but it doesn't give u the same feel 1st one did

[jovial bane]

that's true, I've tried it out and it did not click for some reason

It's been mostly the feel

[silent steeple]

Cant wait for the weekend

[abstract karma]

dang he/she looks sad, go outside to throw him stick/ball or something

[warped wren]

kinda unfortunate that games nowadays either have to be the next hottest thing or are just considered whatever

the perils of too much exposure and consumption

[abstract karma]

or be just good dev and do it for customers and not money..

Thats min 25% of cases why sequels from same dev teams sucks..
1st is banger 2second is hindered by money and politics

[warped wren]

it's really funny but actually it is the video game "industry" i.e. it exists because people want to make money

[jovial bane]

not really, niche successes do exist

unless you mean by that the perception of the audience, that's always been a thing

[warped wren]

they do, I'm just talking more cultural perception thing

[jovial bane]

got it

Sadly the case since ... I don't even remember

I can think of Ubisoft killing Price of Persia franchise after the supposed spinoff: Assassin's Creed sold really well

so it's going for at least 15 years

[abstract karma]

its difference making money when you put effort to product which is for customers
and difference making money aka only for profit

Irony is that 1st variations makes more money lately (as least for non-servise online gaming)

[fierce moth]

Something interesting I found in sn 2 after played it a while:

1. the format of logs in sn 2 remind me of The Talos Principle 1 & 2 immediately
2. 183 blueprints available to craft items in ea
3. emmmmm I touched the edge easily...

[fierce moth]

🤷‍♀️ No idea why people want to block me, block me is block me

I know a EHG member block me too

[warped wren]

I mean this applies to basically any industry because this is basic business strategy. Short-term profit maximization is never a sustainable business practice. The only reliable, sustainable way to make money in a business is to provide a good product or service and have your financials in order. The short-term stuff allows you to fleece but it'll eventually bite you in the ass, as has been proven time and time again

[sand wigeon]

Because you’re annoying and refuse to listen to anyone, Kirra, if you want the actual answer

[warped wren]

I just had an epiphany (because I've been having a headache since morning and I'm kinda dizzy and dazed): we're all NPCs to her lmfao

[fierce moth]

It's the same that I'm a npc only for you too :)

[twilit mountain]

Meanwhile Splatoon devs cook up a banger every single time

[sand wigeon]

Kirra multiple people more experienced in life HERE have tried to have very real adult conversations about your life path with you

You refuse to listen to them

This is NOT a two-way street

We do not consider you an “NPC”

You treat others as if they are

[abstract karma]

too much drama on evening time to play Deux Goty

[warped wren]

Yeah I mean, there's great games releasing all the time, but because of influencer culture and the legacy of the 24h news cycle, people jump from one trend to another and genuinely good products often get left in the dust

[jovial bane]

nah, I think quick steamDB check would show that the "previous hot" games are still doing fine

[warped wren]

Also this is demonstrably untrue, I can easily dig up several instances of me trying to have a conversation with you and you simply not giving a damn what I'm saying and jumping to whatever random topics take your fancy. After a point I just no longer give a shit what you're on about, beyond you polluting this channel with unnecessary nonsense that literally no one is interested in.

[warped wren]

That's not what I mean

It's more like, imagine how much better the good, ignored games could have been if they had received some of the (organic or inorganic) eyeballs and players that got shepherded to one fad game or another

Some still do, I just feel it could have been better. Also we'd just all be better off without review ragebait culture

[sand wigeon]

looks at roadwarden

still no announcement regarding sequel works or anything on that

likely partly because it wasn’t actually super popular despite its quality

[warped wren]

Wyldermyth is one I can name

[sand wigeon]

i’m looking it up rn

[warped wren]

Stellar game, got updates for a while, then devs moved on eventually

[jovial bane]

mmm, okay I think I get it

Stuff like Necromancer's Tale having no exposure beyond like Mortismal channel

Or w/e deepfried Sseth digs up, we do need more of that

[warped wren]

In fact, I'd argue that Anthem had great potential if it hadn't been crucified (somewhat justifiably) in the court of public opinion

I have a big soft spot for that game

Mark of the Ninja is another absolutely excellent game that unfortunately never got a sequel. It did get a remaster though, so that's something

[jovial bane]

Probably too niche sadly, which is why Mimimi closed after delivering three amazing games

RTT, and Stealth games in general are too niche sadly

Anthem is a hot take, but on the other hand I think Andromeda wasn't that bad.

[warped wren]

Heh, to me that's a hot take lol

[jovial bane]

I'm well aware lmao.
But I wouldn't be too crazy, I'd give Andromeda a 7 maybe

[warped wren]

I wouldn't rate Anthem anywhere near that high but it had potential. Bioware at that point still had the money and the chops, and if reports are to be believed, the intent to turn it around

But f#%$ EA

[jovial bane]

Potential is what I think of Andromeda trilogy.
I honestly don't want ME4 to be about Shepard, I think that story is pretty much done.

[warped wren]

I agree but I also have zero faith in any writer at Bioware

[jovial bane]

same

[abstract karma]

i wish i didnt need to use on mass effect any 3rd party softs from some corporates >.>

[junior oyster]

Damn lol that's brutal

But I understand why

[junior oyster]

I am at odds because while I love sts2 I love mt2 almost as much as sts2 but it didn't get the numbers like sts2. Though I also know that the huge number of players even now are because of mp. And I still have to get round to playing mp 😢

[fierce moth]

?! The talos principle will release...3!
Oh my Jesus!
https://store.steampowered.com/app/3703630/The_Talos_Principle_3/
Here we go! I must wishlist.

[fierce moth]

I appreciate your honest.

Never know a term is personal boundary because I never experience its meaning... Maybe it's what you want to told me before

[pine summit]

cn nte 1.1 stream may 23rd

[junior oyster]

Ngl I think everyone has said something along these lines to you in some way or other

I'll also be honest and say that I personally don't mind what you do but I do tend to find it funny as you explain literally every little thing

[jovial bane]

I gave anno 117 a shot again, and I'm starting to understand this game. Pretty damn good, but I think 1800 with DLC is still better

In 117 military aspect is massive considering whole one of the three tree branches is dedicated to it. And frankly ? It sucks. Logistics of manufacturing arms and having enough population to support the armies are sprawling and the payoff is not there :/

[junior oyster]

My brother got me a steam controller

[fierce moth]

I'm afraid of my logic jump too fast so people don't know what am I saying

https://youtu.be/hOswh7v8hvM?si=urofgrmydYzDNR3n
Interesting, I understand where the white-branch tree inspire by now

I guess this ancient tree represent something in game of thrones 🤔

Such a deep love Bran got from his mother... Appreciate that

[sudden anchor]

That's okay, aslong as you are yourself.

[fierce moth]

@obtuse rune I mean that. I know nothing to hide here though.

[obtuse rune]

Ah gotcha

not like there is much to show but it'd remain as is

[fierce moth]

🤔 New improvements for vaal temple

[fierce moth]

alright I find my confusion for vaal temple is from I don't understand why I want to run vaal temple in essence

[abstract karma]

you mean nerfs because main purpose of these "snakes" and similar buildings was make vaal juicy
If wont works anymore and there isnt decent way making profit from it without using easy way ppl wont run it a lot..
Only for specific reasons like market..

Either way i think that ppl will run expedition this league rather than stop on vaal which takes a quite time i would say

[opal anvil]

did they improve ground loot?

last time i played during abyss league and it was not great

and async trade was locked before reaching act 4 :/

[desert jasper]

Think async is still locked before reaching act 4
At some point you could visit someone elses hideout and get it unlocked by talking to the npc there but think that got fixed

[jovial bane]

Yeah, I fail to see the point of vaal temples

During the league if you took buttload of time to set them up they were profitable, so now with extra work they can be less profitable ?

But maybe farming Atziri has a point

[desert jasper]

Yeah
I could see myself doing shorter temples or going for atziri
No point going for a big setup

[jovial bane]

there might be, if you like suffering

because way less people will be doing it, thanks to being annoying to do, the value of the orbs will go up

but practically it probably means crafting corrupted items will be stupidly expensive

[desert jasper]

True, true
I think they said that you're more likely to get medals in smaller temples? 🤔

Oh yea
I should actually check out some stuff in poe2 before the league launch

[desert jasper]

Oh
My poison bow character in standard has way worse dps than I remember

[opal anvil]

same

they nerfed 3-shot for kamehameha and it's now 3 shots in an arc instead of a burst

🚮

[fierce moth]

...Never know how hard to fold a maple by a paper. It's harder than any origami I learnt before

Fold that with a 15x15 cm paper at first but I'm failed while realized how many fold I need after 2h then I started that again with a 25x25 cm paper but still get decent troubles 😆

[jovial bane]

oh damn, that's a lot of folding :d

[lethal bane]

I wanna do boats

I wanna do sailing

Expedition time I think

I'm planning to leaguestart druid bear or some shit and switch to Str Stacker Oralce with Brutus Lead Sprinkler later on

[desert jasper]

I was planning poisonburst pathfinder
But was checking my old one in standard today and it's rough

[abstract karma]

bow, spear, so i will move to Monk this time + new class looks interesting,

[ebon meadow]

Monk in an Arpg just feels so nice ,bell is really good

Just a nich class to play TBF

I carried this game style from Eso striker from LA it just feels so nice

Impactful game play

Not a friendly one u get tires verily quick but so nice to play

Like u need to actually put work in to class to play it's not something like no brainer light arrow

[opal anvil]

im thinking playing merc again

crossbow is fun

[ebon meadow]

Play wise always ,I know u can make builds a LOT more efficient in game

[opal anvil]

maybe something with armor strip

[ebon meadow]

I m trying it for first time that thing is made for joystick controller

[opal anvil]

not sure if i actually end up playing tho

130gb is a lot

my ssd is only 500gb

[ebon meadow]

Geniunly on keyboard it's harder to move that a wow warlock

[opal anvil]

i always want to try some arpg with gamepad but never got my hands to it

[ebon meadow]

I have separate SSD for windows and Nvidia ,they get wildly over one year

[ebon meadow]

Magic the Arpg game controller ,decently some grim damn also but Poe 2 and some things are made for controller

I can't play an Arpg with controller personally and I can't be asked lol but some builds are made for it and they work

[abstract karma]

actually saw yesterday this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aTAlvhd-yA

[lethal bane]

PoE2 feels pretty good on the controller, they even had PoE1 feeling good too which surprised me

[ebon meadow]

Crossbow skills are defenetly made for controller

WASD is good but never will meat joystick

[opal anvil]

dam literal screen clear

i was playing lightning shards (or however it was called... lightning shotgun basically) on release

clear was great and plasma blast helped greatly with bossing

[opal anvil]

makes me excited to try gamepad. wasd beats mouse to me every time, so if gamepad is even better...

[lethal bane]

I played shield wall last league and that felt pretty good in terms of clear

[opal anvil]

last time i played during abyss league. was trying to make work earthquakes with maximum reduced duration so it felt like a usual slam build
it worked out pretty well in the end but it needed a looot time to get there

[junior oyster]

Thanks Belial...

[placid yarrow]

Ain't no way this guy spent all his money on fireworks and a kite and can't buy food for himself anymore smh

[opal anvil]

what game?

[placid yarrow]

It's called Let's school, managment game. It's pretty neat

[fierce moth]

After do 4h trial and error and wasted 3 paper, the 1st 🍁 is here finally 🙏

It's the most hard origami I made.

[warped wren]

I wish they give us controller - mk hotswap so I can use controller for movement and stuff, and mk for inventory management

[jovial bane]

nice 😄

[lethal bane]

Damn, they don't?

[junior oyster]

Slight correction. Trial and error

GG on the origami though

[warped wren]

nope

[junior oyster]

This doesn't seem bad?

[jovial bane]

on paper no, problem I have is the build restriction

[junior oyster]

Damn it

Actually it might be better than my current amy

Lol whoops thought this was a 1h :(

[narrow token]

Just snap that bad boy in half, it'll go in one hand. 😄

[fierce moth]

lol just know a peanut streamer on twitch

[abstract karma]

huh this cartoon graphic doesnt mind you but another good games with similar graphics does

[junior oyster]

I gamba'd at obols and then crafted this

Honestly I like d4 crafting more than le

Like damn

[opal anvil]

an arpg that has better crafting than le?

tell me more

[fierce moth]

another good games?
I follow sn 2 because I like deep sea and it's the most popular game recently

Don't play a bit recently though... Be addicted to origami

The issue is SOC gameplay emmmm... I'm not quite interested

Alright, wasted 2 more paper in this afternoon

[junior oyster]

Damn it wrong mythic sword

[junior oyster]

Damn nice

Ty duriel

[warped wren]

this is why people hate PoE2-only andys lmao

[opal anvil]

woah real p2w

[jovial bane]

mmm, Im getting flashbacks to bethesda and mods

[desert jasper]

Yeah, I could definitely see some people putting their guide stuff behind paywall

[fierce moth]

@junior stirrup GGG will do something to stop that, right?

[junior oyster]

Damn I got the sword nice

[jovial bane]

I don't think it will be a big issue, unless some kind of big site with builds or some known CC enforces the paywall

then I think GGG would be interested, if it's some random nobody the paywall will just scare off the people

[warped wren]

this is genuinely the craziest thing I've ever seen w.r.t. GGG: https://youtu.be/EBOpcR-HOLc?t=677&si=wo9M3xAuYc9H2vtE (clipped the relevant part of the video)

also for better or for worse I don't think GGG will give 2 shits if somene tries to paywall a build. The community will 100% crucify them though lmao

[maiden widget]

lmao the bottom guy can start by paying the pob devs first for making build sharing possible

[abstract karma]

hmm it's sound like you are saying this builder will lock up any data which are need to create our own software like for example path of building
or what is drama behind that post ?

[maiden widget]

theres no drama guy just thinks he can paywall his pobs/builds

[abstract karma]

then i see no problem ? I mean if ppl are dumb and wanna pay for something which many provides for free just trough even video-clips

[jovial bane]

I fail to see how one could profit from it unless they are big CC

Because you either ask for money for yet another lightning arrow build, or for this expensive niche build works, trust me

[lethal bane]

Some ARPG players are uniquely bad

[warped wren]

What's really funny is that GuyThatDies doesn't pay wall anything and also hates chatter around other people "stealing" his build, he's said multiple times in his livestreams that you can't own a build

So idk why he wants to die on this hill lol

[lethal bane]

LMFAOOOO

That's even funnier

Just dying for the love of the game

[warped wren]

Yeah it's just such a stupid arguing-for-the-sake-of-it thing

[lethal bane]

Aren't most in game characters visible too?

[warped wren]

Fwiw he's actually a good CC, probably one of the better ones for PoE2

[junior oyster]

You live long enough to become the villain kind of thing?

[lethal bane]

Like you can pull up the name and see all the details?

[warped wren]

Only if you use poeninja

But that doesn't accurately capture the context of builds at all

[lethal bane]

Ah, OK

[warped wren]

I hope not, I think the PoE2 YT scene has more than enough dumpster fires

[twilit mountain]

Yeah, Acolyte has been uniquely dogshit no matter what you do, it's basically a class where you have to ignore all the actual interesting stuff on it

[warped wren]

It's really funny because Ducks made a literally immortal Chonk last league that could just faceroll through fully juiced temples, increasing difficulty juiced t16 abysses, everything

It was insane

He streamed it on the discord for us and our jaws were on the floor

But the biggest reason it could do that was leech, and with GGG nerfing leech, he's pivoting back to grenades I think because that's about as strong and nobody is looking at grenades for some reason

[twilit mountain]

The issue it has is that the cool parts of the ascendancy just do nothing. Volatility? Awful. Flames? Clunky and have a 33% chance to be useless. Darkness? Good joke.

[warped wren]

You can guarantee extra damage flames

Which is what he was doing iirc

Extra damage flames, chaos leeched as life node

Darkness and Volatility are gigantic memes tho

And I have no idea why

[twilit mountain]

Okay so instead of a 33% chance to be useless you turn it into "this is just a passive tree notable with extra effort"

[warped wren]

Wdym

[junior oyster]

If I have so little embers it feels like a waste to go with bartuc at this point

[twilit mountain]

There is a notable on tree that is 50% extra as chaos iirc. And doesn't need you to collect things.

[warped wren]

It's 140% damage as extra chaos with just the ascendancy nodes tho

[twilit mountain]

I don't think you are understanding my problem with it

[warped wren]

50% extra baked into the skill, 50% extra in choice of power

[twilit mountain]

It's an ascendancy node

It should be strong, unique, and interesting

It should not have the same effect as something on the passive tree, bigger numbers or not

[warped wren]

It's definitely not unique yeah, but I have seen pretty solid demonstration of how strong it is so idk. It's definitely the least problematic thing on the whole ascendancy

I'm happy with the direction of this patch so far, pending patch notes, but 1.0 better come with some equally massive balancing changes fr

I was testing some spear levelling the other day and it is COMICAL how shit it feels unless you play as God and Jonathan intended and use Parry a lot (in first half of a1 anyway)

Like come on bro

[twilit mountain]

These are not three separate boxes to check, mate. This is one box to me. I'm not arguing "oh it's okay because it's strong", it could be a node that literally says "You no longer take damage" and if it doesn't tick all these at once, I will call it bad.

[warped wren]

Yeah that's fair, I think that's valid criteria to want for an ascendancy node

But it's just that not very many nodes meet it, in either game tbqh

[lethal bane]

Yeah, ascendancies should be cool and not something you can just path to anyways

[warped wren]

Like Titan's 50% extra effect of passives meets it for example, but it's gated behind such a meme node lol

[lethal bane]

Is it after the extra space?

[warped wren]

Yep

[lethal bane]

God that one sucks lmfaooo

[twilit mountain]

Gods I hate whoever did this. "Well we need a tax for how strong it is" no you don't, it's an ascendancy node, shut up

[warped wren]

One somewhat hopeful sign is that each new ascendancy has more and more such nodes that meet these criteria

Like Oracle and Shaman both had giga interesting nodes

[lethal bane]

Warrior is all taxation, no representation

[warped wren]

Spiritwalker seems to as well

[twilit mountain]

Why did they give Pathfinder "Herald of Plague but worse" and then remove it 😭

[warped wren]

I agree that it shouldn't be a one lab node, but they could have just as easily split the effect into two nodes so you don't feel trolled

[warped wren]

Pathfinder aka Identity Crisis, the Ascendancy

[twilit mountain]

They could've done something even cooler, in fact! They could have left the 50% node and then put in another one that had a different effect on different types of nodes! Maybe it changes some keystones, maybe it flips the effect of certain stats (like idk attack speed to cast speed for an example) on other nodes, maybe it makes defense nodes into a different defense, literally anything to play into and synergize would have been amazing!

[warped wren]

that's actually a pretty good idea, and they did in fact do something similar with Shaman right, but for Augments

and for Oracle

they just gave a whole bunch of NEW passive tree to path to

[lethal bane]

Deias, you're just jealous because other ascendancies don't come with a totebag

[warped wren]

TOTEBAG LMFAO

[twilit mountain]

The tote bag was useless because I only picked up currency after a certain point 😭

[lethal bane]

LMFAO, that's what totebags are for

Random ass junk you don't wanna put in your pockets

It really did feel like paying into an expensive event and only recieving a lil totebag

[twilit mountain]

Unrelated, Boru when do I scam you into playing Riftbound?

[lethal bane]

Can I play it online for free?

[twilit mountain]

Sorta yeah. RiftAtlas. Do gotta learn triggers and whatnot, it doesn't do them automatically.

[lethal bane]

Ok, sick

I'll learn it then soon

Finishing finals next week

[jovial bane]

What is picked from the tree then ? I mean, I know that just flat boosts, I just don't remember what that ascendancy had lol

[lethal bane]

It had some Chaos stuff going on and something to do with mana

[jovial bane]

I think ? All I remember about it are those interesting, but "never pick those nodes" choices

yk like darkness

[twilit mountain]

Good luck!

[lethal bane]

I'm going strong so far, I look forward to chilling a lil afterwards

[junior oyster]

One more challenge to go and I should be done with the season (will probably make a barb or something though next)

[warped wren]

you basically just take Flames + Flames upgrade, chaos leech, and double chaos res

everything else is garbage

Void Illusion is good if you're levelling allegedly

[jovial bane]

Hmm, I see

[junior oyster]

Done

[warped wren]

that said, the new unique helm they teased that lets remnants affect allies might open up a path to some kind of funny but effective Chonk minion build

but I'd rather eat sand than play minions in PoE2

[junior oyster]

After playing minions in poe2 I agree

[warped wren]

it's unbelievable that we have a game full of minions that can be raised as Spectres and literally ALL OF THEM except 1 are shit

two if you count elephant for Infernal Legion

[fierce moth]

Cool, characters and stories are easier to remember and understand who's who and what happened to them in game of thrones than house of cards

[junior oyster]

Uhuh

[opal anvil]

what bro doin

[twilit mountain]

Vision.

[fierce moth]

All lords and ladies dislike and even be enemy with Tyrion Lannister, the imp, but I appreciate how talented he is on wise choices of sentences. Quite good at speaking...

[real kayak]

really good at drinking too

[warped wren]

I predict that a huge bunch of people are gonna try to play zoomaster Spiritwalker and get absolutely baited and rage out at the minion AI

but I also predict that there will be at least a few good builds for it

[desert jasper]

I've tried enough minion builds in poe2
not gonna do more unless they make enough changes for them tbh

[fierce moth]

Never try any minion builds so I interested in cooking one if I can

Hang on my abyssal lich for too long time lol

[warped wren]

comical that the best way to play minions in the game is by weapon swapping

[desert jasper]

[warped wren]

Infernal Legion

you get the elephant tortoise with GG auras, scale minion life absolutely everywhere and put Infernal Legion on it

then you just run around and use weapon swaps to prevent it from dying + teleport it around with you

it's ridiculous how busted it is and it is basically the only minion build I've seen in that game that has actual QoL

because you bypass the whole pathing issue thing and lack of convocation and don't need to fiddle with Skeletal Clerics and all that crap to keep the minion topped up

[desert jasper]

Don't you worry
fixed in 0.5

[warped wren]

it's funny but even the guy that afaik pioneered it (Oscrix) wants it to be fixed, even he agrees this should not be a thing and a better method is needed

because as long as it exists, it's objectively just better than whatever else you can do

[desert jasper]

Hmm
we are getting patch notes next friday, right?

[warped wren]

think so idk

or Thursday

[desert jasper]

ah well
maybe it's fixed and nothing else comes in return

[warped wren]

iirc they've said there's not a lot of balancing happening this patch afaik

expect to see another quarter of the population playing CoC Comet

[real kayak]

I've played 2 leagues, and ended both with coc comet.

[warped wren]

honestly I don't understand the appeal to being THAT overpowered

I just played a bog standard wolf oracle (though much more optimized than like 99% of players that I saw on ninja) and I was just taking a massive dump on the game without ever bothering with temple farming

[lethal bane]

Lots of people love to finish on COCs during leagues

[real kayak]

yea I love coc, even have a 100 fross coc occ this poe1 league

[real kayak]

I didn't even touch temple lol

[warped wren]

too much headache

[lethal bane]

I didn't bother tpo much. I might do exploration for boats

[junior stirrup]

My thoughts - to me, it doesn't sound like anything new. There's always been some amount of monetisation of sites and services.
Whole traditional build guides or detailed PoB codes behind Patreon subscriptions, reviewing builds of subscribers, donations to keep sites running, subscriptions to remove ads on commercial build sites, dynamic item filters from Filterblade.
All throughout time, the community decides what goes and what they will oppose.
There is of course the various "RMT" clauses in the Terms of Use, but those are muddy waters.

Build a service to pirate build plans 😉

[warped wren]

(it's not members only lol)

[lethal bane]

LOL

[warped wren]

I am impressed at the handling, I've seen entire PR departments do worse lmfao

[twilit mountain]

Shhhh, let 'im dig

[warped wren]

PoE2-only audience is genuinely unhinged

comment on jung's infernal legion video

[twilit mountain]

Hold on I have an image for this

[warped wren]

I mean honestly it's an incredibly stupid take from downright ignorant people because there's SO GOD DAMN MANY builds that are not giga combo oriented or CoC comet, like it isn't even hard

the whole game isn't even particularly hard

it's just this pervasive mentality of "no nerf only buff" that's been poisoning the gaming sphere ever since Helldivers 2 became a thing

[sand wigeon]

i think she’e saying she agrees with the “let casual players have their easy builds” because… casual players should have their easy builds

[warped wren]

again, there's really no shortage of easy builds in the game

I'm being perfectly serious

[twilit mountain]

Yeah the issue (for me) is that like 80% of them are oriented around the same cycle of "buff/util skill -> damage skill", and there's so few skills that actually perform as main damage skills without insane invest that it makes things feel super stale

[warped wren]

yeah that's a fair, and separate, criticism

you kinda need to do the whole Please Follow the Build Guide™ thing

[twilit mountain]

To me it's inherently linked to the "please no more CoC Comet" complaint because it's functionally the same issue

[warped wren]

but these low IQ trolls pretend as though you only have 2 options, MMO combo rotas or CoC comet, and that is hilariously far from the reality

[warped wren]

I don't follow?

[twilit mountain]

Comet is just one of the few good damage skills in the game, so people find the easiest way to spam it which always follows the same exact blueprint. This would be less of an issue (or less prevalent if you want to argue that angle) if other skills were innately good. Bows and spears are still the best examples I think; there's about 3 to 4 skills in both of those weapons that is actually good at damage, especially in single target territory.

[warped wren]

hmmm

I get what you're saying, but my take on it is more that Comet is UNCONDITIONALLY good damage as long as you find a way to spam it. Whereas most other damage-intended skills in the game have a conditional to meet if you want them to do good damage. And the fact that some skills are damage-intended whereas others are not is itself, eh, certainly a choice

also GGG struggling to once again balance CoC is such an incredibly funny deja vu

[twilit mountain]

I mean the conditional for Comet is that bypass method in my eyes

[warped wren]

I wonder how many more mistakes they'll be remaking

[mental talon]

Reminding me I should stop being lazy and actually start practicing my league starts. Tomorrow. Yeah that's a tomorrow angle.

[narrow token]

Idk how you guys do it. I'd burn out trying to "practice" any game.

[twilit mountain]

Simple: I don't

[mental talon]

I do things I enjoy kinda that simple tbh

[twilit mountain]

The only practice I ever do is if a build idea is untested and uncertain to work well/feel good. Then I boot up and make a leveling run and some mapping with it to find out, and that's the only time I "practice" it.

[warped wren]

so far the list of "things they'd (mostly) fixed but decided to mess with yet again for the sake of being different" includes:

1. melee
2. rarity
3. CoC
4. minion life
5. skill level scaling
6. ES vs life
7. Armor
8. Evasion
9. Block

[twilit mountain]

Hey, hey. They messed with accuracy as a whole, and also movement speed.

[warped wren]

they didn't mess with movement speed, they just deleted it

[twilit mountain]

True

[lethal bane]

I appreciate leasurely strolling in the maps

I've been messing with PoB in my breaks, EHP and damage should be OK

I wanna level as Druid and go into Oracle Str Stacker

[fierce moth]

Through the ending of e5 s1 game of thrones is the type I'm enjoyed, but that's quite scary and upset

[jovial bane]

you will be upset with the season 1 finale, it was great

[opal anvil]

lol
all my (2) builds were pretty much one skill

1st used 2 more skills for bossing

bigger problem for both PoE's is that you need to have a ton of game knowledge to make a build that can do t16s and at least get voidstones

[fierce moth]

Current status

[jovial bane]

Yes, and then the doors called "life goals" temporarily shut down as well 😂

[fierce moth]

😂 Seven hells. Cool learnt a new catchphrase

[fierce moth]

interesting

A top speedrunner is the seed of a famous streamer indeed

[desert jasper]

He also ran PoE2 at games done quick
got just below 3hours on acts1-4

[opal anvil]

dam

[warped wren]

Angormus is pretty skilled

seen a few of his vids

[abstract karma]

always happy seeing that W3 custom gaming is still alive even tough its just barely

[mental talon]

Beautiful simply beautiful

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2QZNDtJhoM

[narrow token]

I wanted something like Facebreaker ever since they added Hollow Palm to the game. Next up: a Quarterstaff that turns all the skills into fire ones.

[mental talon]

Now I just need Fists of Stone with different Unique gloves showcase to know what my endgame plan will be

[desert jasper]

Imagine if facebreaker gets bonus dmg from atlas bosses

[warped wren]

it doesn't, campaign only

if it did, there'd be no point in using any other item ever

infinite scaling, why not

[narrow token]

Apparently it might be DoA, which if true, sucks

[twilit mountain]

Wouldn't be the first time

[warped wren]

?

[narrow token]

I'd still try it with monk though. Just to see how far I can get.

[warped wren]

yeah I'm 100% expecting that oil ground nonsense to get fixed

[narrow token]

Some folks saying it won't be able to be endgame viable because basic endgame gear will outscale it early on.

If that's true, that's unfortunate. If not, awesome!

[warped wren]

folks say all sorts of stuff, especially before patchnotes

[narrow token]

I'm not good at math, so I can't verify anything myself.

[twilit mountain]

It is

[narrow token]

I wonder if poe1 ever had something like LE's unique/exalted temporal sanctum crafting. That'd be great for making weaker uniques more useful later on I'd guess.

[twilit mountain]

I'd really prefer it didn't

The legendary system in LE is literally the biggest problem in all of LE itemization

[opal anvil]

you can kinda "power up" weaker uniques via other interactions

like stat stacking

or using skills that scale with gem level instead of being dependent on weapon

[narrow token]

What? Why, I think it's awesome!

[twilit mountain]

Because 95% of builds just devolve into "put a 2LP legendary in every single slot" and it's boring and repetitive

[narrow token]

What's the fix without making uniques lame?

[twilit mountain]

Redo all of it. Scrap the whole thing. Make exalteds actually matter, stop letting people slap every affix ever onto a unique, maybe stop letting people guarantee slams so there's actual risk again, remove imprints, idk dude I'm not the designer I'm just a player with 1600 hours who thinks the game took a shitty direction

[warped wren]

they're already introducing a system to "upgrade" low level uniques

also what Deias said. Legendary slamming is the lamest shit ever

Drop-only Exalteds were the greatest innovation LE introduced, and then they promptly turned and emptied a shotgun into it by creating and then BUFFING the legendary slam system

[opal anvil]

what's innovative in drop only exalteds?

[warped wren]

I sure do wonder what's innovative in the only system in any ARPG that offers real, serious incentive to look at and pick up rare ground items because they actually contain item modifiers impossible to obtain in any other way

I guess not impossible anymore, which is also topkek

[opal anvil]

i don't get it, isn't it kinda where it all started? better loot can only be dropped and not crafted etc

[twilit mountain]

I mean. No. Diablo 2's best loot for example is practically all crafted

LE was like, the only game that had dropped loot actually be useful on the high end and they kinda ruined that part

[narrow token]

Idk I like it. Feels like I can make progress in a reasonable time. I can never make or find good gear in poe2.

[twilit mountain]

Skill issue then

[opal anvil]

i see
i didnt get far enough in d2

[twilit mountain]

PoE2 is like, genuine item printer type crafting

[opal anvil]

it always seemed to me like good arpg progression is you pick up ground loot -> you craft best gear
so basically remove some rng and make it more deterministic

i'd argue LE ground loot is still useful on the higher end tho
for slamming :^)

i can't imagine picking any rare item in t16 in poe and it being better than what i wear now

or having any usefulness for that matter

[twilit mountain]

Sure, but the crafting aspect shouldn't be a literal line by line editor. Make it have effort and knowledge check, and not "put these two affixes on this unique for Win More"

[narrow token]

I always find crap in poe2 tbh

[opal anvil]

i still craft exalteds i slam

[twilit mountain]

Sure, but the crafting aspect shouldn't be a literal line by line editor.

[narrow token]

It doesn't feel empowering

It feels punishing

[opal anvil]

if it would be line by line editor it would be less likely to fail

some slamming material gets shattered in the end :(

[twilit mountain]

You should deadass never be failing an actual slam material craft. Never.

I cannot stress it enough how hilariously simple and easy it is to get exactly what you are looking for in LE

[narrow token]

Feels good too.

[twilit mountain]

Not really

[narrow token]

https://tenor.com/view/the-big-lebowski-thats-like-your-opinion-man-gif-15076479

[twilit mountain]

If it did it wouldn't be in the gutters reception and player count wise

[opal anvil]

well glyph of chaos doesn't think so :^)

tbf all i saw was people praising LE crafting

i prefer it over poe any day

[narrow token]

Same

[lethal bane]

I'm with Deias, it feels more like a time sink than anything else

[opal anvil]

eldritch implicits crafting flashback

[twilit mountain]

You're outing yourself tbh. But oh well, no point arguing to LE Andys.

[narrow token]

wow

[opal anvil]

rude

[lethal bane]

I CAN'T TYPE HO SPACE MOGENIZE IN CHAT UGHHHH

[narrow token]

very rude. Geez

[lethal bane]

I am being oppressed

[twilit mountain]

Yes, I am rude, glad you finally noticed

[narrow token]

But why?

[lethal bane]

IMO, I do feel like PoE2's crafting is fairly linear

[twilit mountain]

Because there's no point being nice to strangers on the internet I do not know or care for, you're a faceless enigmatic presence to me

[lethal bane]

Deias has been slurred and insulted enough on this server to be rightfully jaded TBH

[opal anvil]

poe2 crafting seemed even worse than 1
at least early
slam with augs/alchs/exalted and pray

[lethal bane]

There's more to it than that

[narrow token]

Why would you stick around somewhere like that?

[lethal bane]

Like that? You mean here? IDK, I don't wanna go onto a PoE dedicated server

They seem smelly

[narrow token]

You'd get less pushback there. And nobody has to be rude for no reason to strangers.

[opal anvil]

every poe1 league i promise myself i would do some endgame crafting once i'm done with the league
but i quit earlier than i get around to it

[twilit mountain]

Because I still have a slim sliver of hope this game regains some sense of direction and does something good in the 7 years I've been following it

[narrow token]

It doesn't come across that way.

[opal anvil]

though poe2 endgame crafting is even more mystery to me than poe1

[twilit mountain]

That's fine, I don't care about how I come across to people I do not know

[narrow token]

I never get far in poe2 tbh. I get to the endgame and lose all steam. Can't even enjoy poe1.

[lethal bane]

Have you read up on it?

Like just read a recommended guide or directly messed with it?

[narrow token]

Guides are so long and mathy. I know it's not a word. 🙁

[opal anvil]

no

[lethal bane]

Just read

[narrow token]

AKA Do homework.

[opal anvil]

i wasn't interested in crafting anything when i played
maybe this upcoming league...

[lethal bane]

Do you not look stuff up when you're enjoying something to learn more about it?

[twilit mountain]

It's not really mathy at all, I have dyscalculia and have no issues with PoE crafting

[lethal bane]

Why wouldn't I want to engage others in something I enjoy?

[opal anvil]

i like mathy tbh. when it's related to videogames

[lethal bane]

Yeah, PoE crafting is very much step by step

[narrow token]

Not really. I watch other people have fun with it, but homework? No. I wouldn't be able to retain the info.

It'd go in one ear and out the other.

[lethal bane]

I'm not saying it's homework, I'm saying to just look over and read for fifteen minutes

It's essentially a flow chart for the most part

[opal anvil]

now buildcrafting is something i enjoy a lot

even tho i'm still not very good at it

[lethal bane]

Yeah, I read up on interactions so I can do cool shit

[narrow token]

Something about my brain won't retain info unless it's a concept that I can grasp and am super interested in. Once math comes in, it's lost me.

[lethal bane]

There's not that much math, most of it is calculated for you

How do you learn new thinfs that aren't readily apparent?

Like politics, history, etc

[narrow token]

I don't typically. It's the eternal struggle. I also don't have any interest in politics.

I tend to heavily advocate for making info available in-game, and as easy to understand as possible. The less esoteric the better.

[lethal bane]

I like to stay informed and be able to navigate these things, it's important

[twilit mountain]

This explains much about this conversation

[narrow token]

If I could do that and stay interested long enough to retain the info, I'd do it.

[lethal bane]

I mean it's minor effort

It's just reading a bit here and there

[opal anvil]

i agree, if i can play a game without any outside info/tools, it would be perfect
though most of my favourite games require spreadsheets for optimal play 😬

poe2 actually did good thing in that regard with pretty comprehensive tooltips explaining keywords

[narrow token]

I love reading. Just not... that kind of reading, if it makes sense.

[lethal bane]

Like sometimes a chapter isn't exciting, but it feels better to have taken the time to learn it and I feel good for it

I read fiction too, sometimes

[narrow token]

I've legitimately read chapters of important subjects over and over, and been unable to recall any of it. It just won't stick. Unless I'm just sucked in, invested, and excited the whole way. Once interest is lost, it's over. Been that way my whole life.

[lethal bane]

This might be a method issue for your comprehension?

I'll highlight and colorcode information to help me track it when I'm exhausted for school

[narrow token]

Possibly

[lethal bane]

But it is also a skill you gotta take time to work up

[warped wren]

can you point me to a single build guide for PoE2, hell even PoE1, that has ANY math in it whatsoever. I'm struggling to recall a single one and I'm unashamedly obsessive in going over various builds

[lethal bane]

They tell you some calculations sometimes and explain their reasoning, but it's non-effort to read it unless you wanna analyze it

[opal anvil]

on that note i wish more arpgs did what rainbow filter for grim dawn did.
color coding affixes by groups is so very helpful

[warped wren]

which like 90% of people don't read anyway

"Hey pohx, I have -15% fire res, why is my RF killing me??"

[lethal bane]

Good Lord, it's brutal

I swear people have 0 ability to read for themselves these days

I can't wait to do some reading once this week is up and I'm done with finals

[narrow token]

I may have misspoke. I used the term mathy when what I might have meant was spreadsheet-y? Maybe? A fair few of the guides I looked up (mostly ones to figure out HOW to make a build) sent me to PoB. It's a very non-diegetic method of calculating build outcomes as far as I can tell. And it was incredibly overwhelming. Many guides also utilized common terms that hardcore arpg players just knew, that I felt like I needed a specialized dictionary for. I'm a little past that NOW, but it took me 3 years to commit things like increased dmg and MORE dmg to memory. I'm still iffy on some of it tbh.

[warped wren]

Top 3 stupidest PoE streamer chats:

1. pohx
2. fubgun
3. Raxx or DM idk

[opal anvil]

pob only seems unintuitive at first

it's actually very handy once you get used to it

[twilit mountain]

I don't know how you don't get increased vs more for 3 years. Literally just means "add" and "multiply"

[narrow token]

It's a me thing. That's all.

[twilit mountain]

This is not meant to be offensive or inflammatory. Do you have a learning disability?

[narrow token]

Unless you count ADHD as a learning disability, then no.

[twilit mountain]

It is, it directly impacts your ability to process things "normally"

[opal anvil]

my favorite is BA/MA

dont ask :^)

[narrow token]

Fair enough

[lethal bane]

ADHD can impact on a level, but I've got it and I'm pretty active on my reading outside of classes

[twilit mountain]

See, I also have ADHD, and a healthy dose of autism, but I'm wondering if we ended up on essentially opposite ends of it.

[narrow token]

It's possible.

I'm going to potentially get crap for this

I'm watching a Schwingy PoE video rn. One of his random roulette build vids from poe1. Primarily for entertainment purposes, additionally for exposure and normalizing terms in my brain. I'm looking at a still image of Glacial Hammer and I've had to read it several times for some of the info to make sense.

So I ask questions like "What does *Effectiveness of Added Damage" mean?

[lethal bane]

Do you ever read the skills tooltip?

[narrow token]

That's what this is.

[lethal bane]

Like they got this box when you pull them up and it lists information

[narrow token]

I think.

[opal anvil]

i sometimes need to read a few times too to make sense
and test it out just in case
but English is not my first language

[narrow token]

I read tooltips a lot, but I tend to have more questions than answers. And rarely have someone I'd trust to ask.

[opal anvil]

poe wiki explains quite a lot

[twilit mountain]

ADE/EAD is just a scalar for the added damage from your used weapon (and other sources). So for example 300% ADE means that if your total flat damage is 75-100 then it gets scaled to 150-300 (because 100% is just baseline, not actually scaled at all)

I absolutely just mistyped the first number

Point being, that's the functionality behind it

(I'm just gonna go screenshot it real quick

[warped wren]

225-300 🤓

but yes