#๐Ÿ“šโ”ƒoff-topic

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placid yarrow
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Yeah only at max rank does teemo w get close to panth E movement speed, it has a longer duration but by the time you catch up you can get maybe one auto off

jovial bane
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and movement speed outside of activation is gone if you get hit so eh

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Fiora or Aatrox sound better if we talk champions I've played x'D

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Aatrox matchup could be interesting

placid yarrow
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Fiora is way better than aatrox into panth

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The aatrox matchup favours panth pretty hard

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you can w aatrox q1 and e q3

jovial bane
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but it's an interesting one, because I believe both Qs have the similar range on first cast ?

placid yarrow
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You basically have to bait panth w with q1 and e backwards

placid yarrow
jovial bane
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hmm, true

placid yarrow
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the only way the aatrox wins is if he can bait the panth w with q1 and e backwards, because then it will hit him mid air and cancel his w and then you can w and q2 and q3

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but even then he will block one of them with e

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so you have to hope he makes a mistake and even if he does you get one empowered q off

jovial bane
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preferably Q2

placid yarrow
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lategame it becomes more even since you can just ult and run him down

jovial bane
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but good Pantheon will do that when Aatrox has no passive, because that one lets him really trade

placid yarrow
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After you w the q1 you can q and empowered e to back up

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so the aatrox can't use passive even if it's up

jovial bane
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yeah, and he really needs to land it

placid yarrow
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yeah, it's just not a favourable matchup

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you have to consistently outplay the panth

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fiora on the other hand can just w the panth w and she wins

jovial bane
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and she does not care about Pantheon grabbing possible defensive items

placid yarrow
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yeah most of panths defensive items are in the form of hp which she doesn't care about

jovial bane
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I think I know why league kept me in its grasp for so long, I like theorycrafting about league way more than playing it. Magic arena filled that void omegalul

placid yarrow
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lul

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yeah as you can see from the screenshot I don't play all that much nowadays, maybe 3 games a day max and usually not every day

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It used to be pretty much the only game I played back in the day

oblique shore
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Man maybe in out of battery from playing the LE season but struggling to get into D4.

vagrant topaz
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Nylah

placid yarrow
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aw hell nah

vagrant topaz
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High dmg
Close range
Made of paper

desert jasper
vagrant topaz
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Just like shatter Strike Spellblade

placid yarrow
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It's nothing like shatter strike spellblade get outta here with that lmao

vagrant topaz
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Ambessa maybe

placid yarrow
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that's more fitting

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I haven't really gotten into her though, I usually play brusiers/fighters

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And soraka

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for some reason

twilit mountain
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Amb "35% ban rate" essa

placid yarrow
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Is it still that high? she's not really that crazy anymore

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damn it's still at around 15-20% that's crazy lol

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she is annoying for sure

twilit mountain
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35% overall, tightens as you specify ranks

placid yarrow
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what's overall? the average between all ranks is 6.8%

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highest is chall with 26.4%

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Ain't nobody playing her in iron for her to be banned ig lol

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Honestly it's just her ult being an insane engage that makes her so strong, it's like having a malphite but they actually do stuff after ulting

twilit mountain
placid yarrow
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makes sense, I mean even 20% is insanely high

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mel reigns supreme though

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she has like 30%+ banrate across all ranks lul

twilit mountain
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Caitlyn is hilariously high, too. Maybe League players just hate Arcane xdd

placid yarrow
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cait is just disgusting rn tbh

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recent item changes were super good for her so she's just super oppressive with her range

twilit mountain
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I haven't played a match against humans yet, unless you count the two hours I played like, 9 years ago.

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That was on a different account, before I even started using the name Deias regularly

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I'm once again ending up as a support player in a multiplayer team based competitive game. The assist farming calls to me ๐Ÿ˜”

placid yarrow
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x)

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Could always jungle if you dislike farming minions

twilit mountain
# placid yarrow Could always jungle if you dislike farming minions

It's either that or I pick the role where I disappear for 20 minutes and then show up again and start killing people, yeah. I usually just lack the situational awareness and mechanical skill (poor motor skills'll do that to ya apparently) to keep that up consistently.

placid yarrow
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Just don't become a yuumi main kappa

twilit mountain
placid yarrow
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thank god

twilit mountain
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I've been trying out Nami a little. Fish lady kinda nice.

placid yarrow
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A good nami is super valuable

twilit mountain
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Well see that's where the problem lies, I'm a stubborn creature and learn really slowly. I can't just mimic a video or written guide or whatever, I have to actually go over something with my own hands on repeat for hours to learn, and often need to have what I'm doing wrong get pointed out exactly. And since I can't record things that means I'm kinda SOL for improving consistently at a certain point.

placid yarrow
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Meh that's fine. Unless your goal is to get to a certain rank within a certain timeframe who cares

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I've never watched a league guide or anything, I've just played the game for so long that I'm halfway decent at it

twilit mountain
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Fair enough. Not much of a climber in most games, only game I've ever been highly competitive in is Destiny and it kinda broke my mental after a few years.

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I just end up feeling bad for letting people down. I don't really play multiplayer on my own anymore, I'm pretty much always duo'd at minimum.

placid yarrow
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lol lmao don't

warped wren
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Finally back to mini painting after a solid month and a half

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โ˜ฎ๏ธ

placid yarrow
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you have nothing to feel sorry for in league ever

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Coming from someone with 0 punishments and warnings and max honour since the start of the system everyone is just as bad as you are where you're playing

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it just doesn't feel like it sometimes

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and obviously you'll get the ocassional smurf or whatever but overall you are where you belong 99% of the time

twilit mountain
placid yarrow
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oh god is draft pick still locked for you?

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I forgot that was even a thing

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blind pick is just hell

twilit mountain
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Not anymore thankfully, but that was what happened on my last match before I got there

placid yarrow
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Yeah forget blind pick ever existed rofl

twilit mountain
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Blind pick is a special place apparently. I watched someone pick Pantheon and go sit in jungle. And then half the time we just don't have a jungle.

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People keep trying to duo lane mid in blind pick, it's confusing

placid yarrow
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yep

vagrant topaz
placid yarrow
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Surely

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I mean depending on how much someone plays it can be somewhat true but you usually reach your rank pretty fast

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unless you're playing 1 game a week it's just not gonna be true

vagrant topaz
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I am in looser queue because I don't buy skin

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True story

placid yarrow
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lmao that's a new one

twilit mountain
vagrant topaz
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I want to say classic competitive video game experience

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I saw that in lol, rocket league

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Dont think I have played "competitively" other games

twilit mountain
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If you want an actual broken rank system look at Deadlock lol, smth like 15% of the playerbase is in Eternus (the highest rank bracket in the game).

vagrant topaz
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Oh brawlhallah!

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But I don't have the chat there

twilit mountain
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Deadlock has this thing called "rank volatility" where if you play more often it makes your rank harder to change lmao

placid yarrow
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wat

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lol

twilit mountain
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So you get hardstuck until you just stop playing for a little while

placid yarrow
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but why

twilit mountain
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Valve

vagrant topaz
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๐Ÿคฃ

twilit mountain
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Or rather

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Yoshi/Icefrog (same guy, worst kept secret ever)

vagrant topaz
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They need to let go some steam

twilit mountain
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The balancing is phenomenally bad in that game, but people don't see it because they just look at winrates and nothing else

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There's a character that can travel basically entire lanes on very low cooldowns with zero investment, while also dealing extremely high burst damage with that travel and has a built in counter ability that cancels almost every enemy ult. It is is not a skillshot. It is also not an ult, just a base ability.

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There's another character that auto-aims, auto-lanes, and auto-farms. And the only reason she's irrelevant right now is because the entire community has had to beg for nerfs for 3 months, otherwise she is in every lobby :)

twilit mountain
desert jasper
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Traveling lines and has counter... Apollo?

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Hate Apollo so much

twilit mountain
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The annoyance people feel towards Apollo is really only rivalled by Infernus and Dynamo being a permanent stay in every match at the moment

twilit mountain
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yeah so I found better gloves

placid yarrow
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I mean, nothing broke xd

placid yarrow
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Now to wait like 20 orbits for it to aerobreak back to earth

placid yarrow
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Sheeeeeeeeeeeesh

warped wren
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Managed to complete the base painting in one session, holy speed

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Even did a bit of freehand

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Just shading and layering pending for this guy now

placid yarrow
desert jasper
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Doesn't help that he also has silence + slow in same ability

twilit mountain
# desert jasper Doesn't help that he also has silence + slow in same ability

Dude he's so balanced haha, he only forces your entire team to buy Silence Wave or Slowing Hex to be able to fight him for 3 seconds of time per fight haha. There's absolutely nothing wrong with the fact that he has the most mobile kit in the game and can hit bursts of 500+ damage 5 minutes into the game with a disengage ability haha. :)))))))

desert jasper
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Yup...

vagrant topaz
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Every game has its falconer

desert jasper
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3rd time hitting the gym in a week
It's starting to feel nicer again

desert jasper
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Sword shown
maybe we'll finally get swords (doubt)

junior oyster
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@mental talon something came up so unfortunately I won't be able to play today. Maybe Saturday?

mental talon
ebon meadow
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That reminded me of a great break down xdd

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Tldr hike was mentioned as go touch grass

jovial bane
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Steam Controllers already sold out xd

junior oyster
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Lol

light geyser
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I got 2, one for me with a white reshell, and a normal oner for the missus

desert jasper
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Played a bit of Poe again to get my heist members unlocked
but boy, the mechanic gets boring and fast

junior oyster
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Was it possible to scalp the steam controller?

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It feels like that's what happened

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Or otherwise valve made a relatively small batch thinking they may not sell well. This seems like an unlikely decision though

desert jasper
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People did try reselling it on ebay already for like 150% the price
some of those got reported and banned from ebay

junior oyster
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Damn

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But good that they got banned

twilit mountain
twilit mountain
desert jasper
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Tbh I was kinda tempted to get one
but don't have extra cash to throw at it currently
and they sold out in like 30min anyway

vagrant topaz
junior oyster
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Spoilers maybe?

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Unless that's just an edit of an item lol

junior oyster
warped wren
rugged marsh
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ugh I want the steam controller!

junior oyster
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Hopefully they make another batch and this time make it a bit harder for scalpers to buy

desert jasper
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Oh I'm sure they'll make another batch

junior oyster
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Not sure if the controller itself is good though. Not saying it's bad but I think I prefer the trackpads to be on the top lol

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Then again I guess it's ok and the only way to know would be to get one myself

maiden widget
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idk why they didnt just lock it to steam accounts who bought x amount of games

twilit mountain
# junior oyster Unless that's just an edit of an item lol

This is a real item from the cow level, it is a very long hidden quest that has taken years to figure out the full steps to. The item itself is a hyperbolic joke making fun of themselves for the early item design of the game. You can salvage it to use it as a cosmetic if you want, or just consider it a collector's item.

The quest has some major RNG and can take as little as 4 hours to over 20, and has to be done fully in a bit less than 8 days (666,666 seconds to be exact).

warped wren
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It's bullet hell but roguelite but driving but build-your-mech

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Really enjoyable

twilit mountain
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The original TerraTech cooked real hard, I expect this is still quite solid too

warped wren
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it makes my inner Lego-loving child happy

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the puzzle element of creating a mech that can support all the add-ons you're getting without blocking weapon lines of sight is really fun

twilit mountain
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I just don't got money for it, what I have is being saved so I can buy cards on Friday basically as a present

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(For myself)

gilded elm
jovial bane
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I've managed to get one

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But I was quite lucky tbh

warped wren
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look at this magnificent monstrosity

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this game is actually really cool

warped wren
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also

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slightly asshole thing to say but did GGG get some sort of bulk discount on Welsh/Scottish (whatever it is) VAs?

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feels like every 2nd VA for PoE2 has that kind of accent

jovial bane
warped wren
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I didn't videogame VAs were part of SAG AFTRA

twilit mountain
twilit mountain
jovial bane
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Second part is to Anomander.

sand wigeon
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to another year of us being alive and managing not to kill each other

twilit mountain
sand wigeon
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they always seem to die two weeks in smh

warped wren
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if this is the trailer that's supposed to have most of the good bits, man, this is not a good first impression...

sand wigeon
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itโ€™s crazy to me that people are still failing to create odyssey adaptations when one of the best written odyssey retellings of all time is an indie album

warped wren
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so, so close to beating the 2nd planet boss, like literally last pip of HP

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RIP my highly responsive but ugly hunk of metal

warped wren
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aaayyyy we did it

obtuse wren
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@little ember gonna move it here ๐Ÿ˜„ Fangs of Asterkarn that adds Berserker class is the new expansion; other than the two expansions there, there is also Crucible which kinda works like Arena

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every of those classes have few items and sets, a lot of items also work for 3 classes (but your character can only have 2 classes), so the build variety can be quite big

little ember
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because i also have other games i could play atm

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so i could wait some weeks ig

obtuse wren
obtuse wren
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It can be quite long game If you explore a lot and try different builds ๐Ÿ˜„

little ember
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thats nothing i could rely on xd

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so i might try it soon

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maybe wait for a sale

obtuse wren
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Yea, 100% worth ๐Ÿ˜„

little ember
obtuse wren
# little ember what should i buy tho?

Definitive edition ๐Ÿ˜„ Ashes of Malmouth and Forgotten Gods are expansions that add content and classes; Crucible is the arena one where you mostly just grind for endgame gear and pushing the build limit to see If you can handle it, but it doesnt really add anything else, its more like a separate game mode within the game

little ember
obtuse wren
little ember
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i buy so many games just to never touch them

obtuse wren
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Thats like 60% of my Steam

little ember
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just check out the hrs i have in certain games in my steam profile omegalul

silent steeple
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Of all the arpgs I've tried, Gd is the one game I kept going back to

obtuse wren
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So many amazing items that just make you go "oh, thats cool, now I wanna do a build with it"

maiden widget
little ember
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i need to grind Terraria first

jovial bane
placid yarrow
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Not even close baby

jovial bane
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the only life point that matters

warped wren
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"How many wheels does your vehicle have?"
"Yes."

jovial bane
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xD

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unfortunately I'm tracks enjoyer ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

maiden widget
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how's controller support, seems like the perfect steam deck game tbh

shy sage
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but what the difference is...?

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This is a testing feature so just a few people can assess that now

warped wren
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for some reason my brain shortcircuits trying to use the joystick for this

warped wren
maiden widget
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nice good to know, i somehow missed it has a demo so i'm gonna give it a shot now Gregory

jovial bane
warped wren
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when I use direction keys I'm able to associate the direction the vehicle is pointed in with the arrows correctly. But when I use controller, idk why but my brain just doesn't make that connection so my steering sucks

twilit mountain
fierce moth
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I soaked ladyfingers in milk because I dislike coffee stuff. Condensed milk is what I used to season mascarpone cheese puree. No cocoa powder in home so I use crumbs from ladyfingers as the topping.

It's Chinese level's sweetness.

The first experience of homemade tiramisu is interesting but soaked ladyfingers determined it's a dessert which can't storaged for more than a day. ๐Ÿค”

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Procrastination let me delayed "use ladyfingers to cook tiramisu" for 3 months lol

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A cake with guava, pear & jasmine tea will be arrived tomorrow. Will share more details soon.

desert jasper
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Looks tasty

fierce moth
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The life that drink milk as water is good. Glad to experience that first time in 2026.

desert jasper
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That reminded me that I need to go and buy some milk actually

vagrant topaz
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Mind grabbing me a pack of 6 please?
I need to do some yogurt

desert jasper
fierce moth
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lol

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6L milk for yogurt...Wow it's enough for 3 months enjoyment

desert jasper
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3months?

fierce moth
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450ml milk, it can last for 3-5 days. 3 months is reasonable

jovial bane
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then I should share Foccacia I've made yesterday

fierce moth
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No 950ml milk in refrigeration display case here. All of them can just place under room temperature.

Focaccia! Oh I wish it's roasted longer so it's more crispy.

jovial bane
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yeah, the crust was a bit too soft

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I'm unsure why, but I've decided to put it out of the oven and have just a little bit of crispy layer than risk burning it

desert jasper
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Focaccia is great
My brother makes it every now and then

fierce moth
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Local way is eat focaccia with cream cheese or what?

desert jasper
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Don't think I've ever eaten it with something
Just plain

vagrant topaz
desert jasper
vagrant topaz
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Oo

fierce moth
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oO

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Your guys consume so much milk

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500ml per week mean a lot for me already. Make sense that Europeans always high on height

desert jasper
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It's not really drinking milk that affects that
It's genetics
Ofc getting proper nutrients helps a lot
But like my brother never drinks milk and he's 20cm taller than me

fierce moth
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Gregory
Going to come true this dream tonight

desert jasper
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Enjoy
I should actually get cooking lunch ๐Ÿค”

fierce moth
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Thanks, it's an exclusive luxurious moment that once per year only because of ๐ŸŽ‚ :) The official day is tomorrow though. Plan to separate this dinner from tomorrow so I can enjoy ๐ŸŽ‚ at the first time

sudden anchor
vagrant topaz
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Alone?

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Bro is turning into cheese

fierce moth
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Holy... Too much salt I ate with wagyu. Quite full

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Meat is too salty after ate a few plates because I need to season them after they're cooked. Seasons are regular so flavour became boring quickly...

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Beef tongue and beef rib are quite chewy. High expectations for tongue I have so it's disappointing.

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Understand why people like tender beef now lol

obtuse rune
junior oyster
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Ok I was looking for okra in her post because we call okra lady fingers lol

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But it's a type of bread

obtuse rune
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Aah. When I hear ladyfingers I think of the biscuit/cookie

desert jasper
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Yeah, same

fierce moth
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Yeah, a cookie which can soak so much liquid

sand wigeon
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wagyu needs very little salt because the meat is already so rich from the high fat content

junior oyster
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Not into meat but enjoy

sand wigeon
junior oyster
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Cereal

obtuse rune
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Do any of you have a go-to cereal ?

junior oyster
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Back when I was going gym I used it for protein shake

desert jasper
vagrant topaz
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My son and I eat yogurt every morning for breakfast

sand wigeon
vagrant topaz
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We got through a batch of 3l of milk per week

vagrant topaz
fierce moth
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How will you eat your yogurt?

vagrant topaz
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I did an extra batch this week infused with elderflower

sand wigeon
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that sounds like a lot of effort lol

vagrant topaz
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Banger

sand wigeon
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tasty, but a lot of effort

vagrant topaz
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It really isn't

sand wigeon
vagrant topaz
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Well I found that easy ^^

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Same ^^

sand wigeon
vagrant topaz
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Boil milk
Put flowers in
Wait until milk go cold
Strain in the hot pot
Add sugar and a spoon of yogurt
Mix
"Cook" for 12h at 42ยฐC
Put in the fridge

sand wigeon
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the concept of boiling milk sounds horrifying so iโ€™m already going to avoid that lmao

vagrant topaz
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Lol

sand wigeon
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warm milkโ€ฆ eugh

vagrant topaz
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?

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I am missing smth

sand wigeon
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the like sour smell and stuff

vagrant topaz
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Oo

sand wigeon
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i just do not like milk, it always smells and tastes sour to me, no matter how fresh it is

fierce moth
sand wigeon
fierce moth
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I like salty stuff as breakfast only

sand wigeon
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iโ€™m more sodium than carbon

vagrant topaz
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Breakfast is yogurt + granola + 2 fried eggs

sand wigeon
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i eat any food any time of the day every day

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maybe this is an american thing

vagrant topaz
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Don't forget a good splash of Sriracha sauce

fierce moth
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Interesting. Mine: a cup/a bowl of instant noodles

sand wigeon
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i donโ€™t eat breakfast but when i do it varies from pad thai to a classic american breakfast to a bagel with cream cheese to toast to ice cream

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sometimes i make chicken and mashed potatoes for breakfast

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since those take zero effort

desert jasper
placid yarrow
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pain x)

vagrant topaz
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Top duff is huge

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That darius is gud

obtuse rune
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Yo..

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But Sylas Fed? asking for a friend

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ngl but that scoreboard is saying you might be cooked

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Darius is uh darius soo yeah

fierce moth
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Last epoch | Eterra meet Otto - xxxxxx drawing omegalul

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The own art director promote the own game, perfect

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I wonder how big the canvas is... I can draw one for poe 2 if 0.5 have something satisfying, fresh and inspirational

jovial bane
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oh, oh no

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oh dear lord, let me screenshot it

fierce moth
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Nice, it's fixed

jovial bane
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well the damage is already done

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and even 25% of that amount is still stupidly high

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like 10 times the normal amount

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actually even more than 10 times it seems lmao

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so yeah, avoid Windrose for now

fierce moth
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oh not right... EHG owned something already

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Vezi's board is what they can compare with ๐Ÿค”

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Well but I want to know what Otto will contribute to le

desert jasper
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I wonder if they're actually putting out the end game rework for poe2 in the next league
I guess we'll see soon enough

jovial bane
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they claim they do

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but whether it's the actual, big rework or GGG's "we've buffed the armor to buff warrior, but ended up nerfing warrior". Well we will see

desert jasper
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inb4 someone that starts with J again decided that it's not important and was pushed to next update

placid yarrow
obtuse rune
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Cant end on an L tho

placid yarrow
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It's fine though I won two in a row after

obtuse rune
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sooo

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That's what I'm talking about!

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well done then haha

jovial bane
desert jasper
placid yarrow
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yep my graves really, really, really wanted to kill him

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just kept running face first into him and dying until we lost

jovial bane
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lol

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There is nobody in your team who could handle fed Sylas, running into him is extra silly

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Maybe if Smoulder was fed, but yeah no

placid yarrow
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Had a small hiccup but it's still smooth sailling hopefully

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Btw do you like the variety in my pick?

jovial bane
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pretty damn good WR

obtuse rune
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Yup Yup

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I respect it

placid yarrow
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I'm faithful

jovial bane
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I will have uhhh

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a blue deck

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with force of will

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and library of alexandria

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๐Ÿ˜†

desert jasper
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I honestly can't even make out who that pick is

placid yarrow
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pantheon

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over 70% of my games are panth

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The only times I don't play him is when he gets banned, the enemy team picks him or I get autofilled basically

desert jasper
obtuse rune
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For years, I only played Elise then sub with Rek'sai

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Now I'm like 85-90% Naafiri

placid yarrow
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I usually play shen if I can't play panth and I'm top or soraka if I get filled support

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Soraka is awful to play in solo queue though honestly

jovial bane
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three champions, three global ultimates lmao

placid yarrow
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it's a duo champ

jovial bane
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ye

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well supports are much better as duo

placid yarrow
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panth's kept getting nerfed it's nowhere near global now

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it's not even half the map

jovial bane
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playing support made me switch to adc, because I was sick of what random adc did lmao

placid yarrow
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But yeah it's a pretty transferrable skill to be aware of the map and use global/long range ults well

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let's just pretend this is what my soraka winrate looks like

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these games don't exist x)

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You're NA right @obtuse rune ?

obtuse rune
mental talon
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@junior oyster This was such a crazy easy run lmao

junior oyster
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I had a run where I never rested too lol

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I think I hunted like 5 elites a1

fierce moth
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Lots of views subnautica 2 get on Chinese reddit, xiaoheihe too ๐Ÿค”

junior oyster
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I understand everything

desert jasper
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Just a few hours until the poe2 reveal

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Let's see
They're gonna hit us with "Since we had to take an extra month to work on this league, it means next poe1 league will be 1 month later" tom

narrow token
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I'm not expecting much from the reveal for me personally.

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Endgame doesn't get me excited at all

desert jasper
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Well unfortunately
End game is where most of the content in the game kinda is

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desert jasper
junior oyster
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I'm kidding

desert jasper
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no idea what war table is.

junior oyster
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They'll be like we made everything harder just for lulz

junior oyster
desert jasper
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Ah
Yeah I don't really care about d4 so surprisingly I wouldn't know that

junior oyster
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Basically like sts map I guess

junior oyster
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And I never really budged from my d3 good d4 bad decision

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So yea I'm definitely glad I bought the expansion

desert jasper
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I kinda wish I hadn't even bought d4
felt like wasted 70โ‚ฌ

placid yarrow
#

same

placid yarrow
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I still haven't played it since the first preseason

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and now I feel like if I want to play it I'd wanna get the dlc

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but I'm not paying even more lol

junior oyster
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Hey at least you get both dlc for the price of 2 dlcs that I had to pay for xd

placid yarrow
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yeah but there's no way I'm paying just to probably still not enjoy it enough to keep playing

junior oyster
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Yea that's fine

placid yarrow
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If it was just paid classes like in D3 (I know it also had an expansion but that's a different story imo) it'd be totally fine

maiden widget
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costs you nothing

placid yarrow
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this is one of the reasons I think LE made the right decision with paid classes instead of expansion tbh

placid yarrow
junior oyster
maiden widget
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thatd be the glass half empty take yeah

junior oyster
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Like the skill system in the endgame apparently being locked if you don't have dlc

maiden widget
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paragon?

junior oyster
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Maybe even the cube lol

placid yarrow
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paragon should be in the base game I think

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since it was there from the start

desert jasper
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paragon is in base game

junior oyster
desert jasper
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Cube is locked behind dlc
and yeah, part of skill tree is dlc too

junior oyster
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I think specific skills are locked behind dlc

desert jasper
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Like fireball cold conversion is dlc

junior oyster
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Also war table or whatever it's called

placid yarrow
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Yeah like see that's horrible lol

desert jasper
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I wouldn't be surprised if the strongest stuff for skills is dlc

junior oyster
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That's a faster way of progressing

maiden widget
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a few skills were part of the last exppack so kinda makes sense

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tbh i am happy with d4 rn and would at least still try it a bit

desert jasper
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Ofc you'd try it because you're happy with it

junior oyster
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So someone who doesn't like base game d4 may not like the dlc and even more money wasted. I understand the reasoning

placid yarrow
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I mean if I didn't have to buy the dlc to access all the content I'd play it

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It's the fact that the dlc have quite a lot of content locked behind them that makes it so I don't want to play it. It's a barrier of re-entry kinda

junior oyster
maiden widget
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did they lock og ones or just the ones they got with exppack

junior oyster
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Apparently even og

maiden widget
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crazy

junior oyster
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So yea I understand the hate or whatever to call it

placid yarrow
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It would kinda feel like playing LE 1.0 when 1.4 is out and you can't access any of the stuff they released since 1.0 when you already played in 1.0 and didn't really enjoy it

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doesn't really make sense

vagrant topaz
placid yarrow
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I mean for the people who enjoy D4 the model works fine

vagrant topaz
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Real arguments I have been told when I said locking a third of the old classes skill trees was a bit scummy imo

placid yarrow
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but for people like me it's almost the worst possible model

vagrant topaz
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Oh! Almost forgot
I am tone deaf, people enjoy the xpac, so all is fine

desert jasper
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If you're tone deaf
What does that make me

maiden widget
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worst model would probably needing to buy all exp packs you dont have tbf so its kinda better than i expected for blizz

placid yarrow
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I mean sure if I had to buy all the dlc at full price instead of just the latest one that'd be even worse lol

maiden widget
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I personally dislike classes alone as they're most often very op compared to nonpaid but we'll see how they end up in LE

placid yarrow
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I don't disagree obviously that's usually how it is. But it's the same for expansions

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usually the expansion content is the most lucrative

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so if I had to choose between the two I'd go for paid classes 10 out of 10 times

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especially if they're doing a D4 and have classes tied to the expansions anyway

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they're doing both basically lol

maiden widget
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for me its just a classic expansion like we had in d2

mental talon
placid yarrow
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Like if I got the expansion and I knew there wouldn't be any more after it I might get it

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but I know I'd need to buy more expansions to keep playing all the content in the future

junior oyster
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Also they releasing filler content like voh

placid yarrow
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So it's not the same for me

maiden widget
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dunno i bought all expansions for dawn of war 2 gladly for example so i am used to more than 1

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but yeah vessel was bad

junior oyster
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Also while loh was good. I can't lie but I honestly think ros was so much better

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I liked the mephi fight though

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It finally made him not feel like a puny demon xd

maiden widget
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besides the annoying walking stuff even the story was good

junior oyster
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Yea but I hated ||lorath getting offed||

lofty wren
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I saw that coming tbh

desert jasper
maiden widget
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Foreshadowing was there yeah i only really found ||tyraels randoml appearing || with the most lukewarm explanation a bit meh

junior oyster
#

Yea same

desert jasper
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Anyway, next game thing I'm probably buying is the Grim Dawn dlc when it's available

narrow token
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I tried grim dawn for about 2 hours, but it didn't feel very good to me

maiden widget
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i'll buy that too but they're taking an eternity

desert jasper
narrow token
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I mean the combat and movement. Feels really dated. I can't go backwards like that. ๐Ÿ™

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Strangely enough poe1 feels like that to me as well

placid yarrow
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Yeah for me it was mostly none of the skills being very exiting

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I gave it a good ol try for 30 hours and it still didn't stick for me

desert jasper
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Guess we'll see how GD2 is

narrow token
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There's going to be a 2? I didn't know that.

desert jasper
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Yes, eventually

junior oyster
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Depends if I can afford it lol

desert jasper
lofty wren
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I tried grim dawn and it was ok, it just didn't click for me unfortunately

ebon meadow
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I didn't like GD base there is just no impactful game play to it ,but I did hear and read that the mods for it are very good

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Still pushed like 50-70 hours on it

desert jasper
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I've 1200 hours in GD without any modding

ebon meadow
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50.5 hrs played lol bit last time played 2020 ...holy time goes fast

desert jasper
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I played it October last year

ebon meadow
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I genuinely thought I played tops 2 years ago lmao

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5 years ago is a very long time maybe I should check it again

desert jasper
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What do you mean
2020 was just 2 years ago

junior oyster
abstract karma
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ugh only 226 hours in GD, tho i havent played char purely on hardest from start point

junior oyster
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That's less than my hours in Terraria damn

abstract karma
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even then is kind of harsh to see endgame achievements going under 7% of whole GD-playerbase

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even main bosses are max around 10-18

junior oyster
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It's normal?

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I'm sure many players quit games early lol

abstract karma
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probably but this game is one of gold ones so its just hars to see it

mental talon
#

Made it home in time for the reveal. Neat

desert jasper
#

Cool, cool

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Okay, what are we looking at
Act 5, memes?

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Maybe some swords

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Jonathan jumpscare

ebon meadow
placid yarrow
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this is kinda pog

abstract karma
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well nice bait on edngame dang wanna try it out ๐Ÿ˜„

placid yarrow
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oh god

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OK

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martial artist is calling me

ebon meadow
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its just keeps going man

abstract karma
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but no new weapon or traps

placid yarrow
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wdym they just said a bunch of new uniques

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or did you mean types

mental talon
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WEW

abstract karma
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yep types

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but endgame itself is worth to try it once again + ascendencies means another cooking

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hmm so early buff up on camp, well finally

placid yarrow
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Kinda cool I guess

abstract karma
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hmm so runes near to endgame (would be too op get early..)

placid yarrow
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I wonder if you have to discover or get the combinations

desert jasper
#

Temporal bubbles tom

placid yarrow
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or if you just have them all

ebon meadow
#

yea proxy shield defenetly giving ptsd lul

placid yarrow
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zamn

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aw fml

desert jasper
#

Ah there it came
kalguuran origin

ebon meadow
#

hmm

placid yarrow
#

??????????????

abstract karma
#

oh so ward

placid yarrow
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yeah right?

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kinda weird lol

desert jasper
placid yarrow
#

It's just ES but it comes after hp instead of before

abstract karma
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dang, havent noticed it

ebon meadow
#

oh no shot this is towards rune master lmao

desert jasper
#

Hmm.... intresting

abstract karma
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so either you try push ward or you give up on new skills cooking
little harsh but price for fun i guess

placid yarrow
#

that's nice

desert jasper
#

Oh
nicee

placid yarrow
#

100 new runes x)

ebon meadow
#

here we go with the currencys

desert jasper
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And ofc no stash for them

abstract karma
#

holy.. WHAT ?

placid yarrow
#

yo these are sick

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oh lawrd

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poe 2 has actual crafting finally that's kinda nice

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pretty convoluted way to go about it though

desert jasper
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Getting closer to crafting table

placid yarrow
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give me big boom please

desert jasper
abstract karma
#

atlast tree hadnt have it already ?

placid yarrow
#

did it in poe 2?

desert jasper
#

it did have

placid yarrow
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oh

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hell yeah

abstract karma
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well this time i have urge to try expedition since its bound to new league..
before it expedition was items gamba

placid yarrow
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L march

ebon meadow
#

ohhh

placid yarrow
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that's neat

desert jasper
#

Poor Gwennen

placid yarrow
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FIshing where

desert jasper
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Secret

placid yarrow
#

pretty cool

desert jasper
#

I just don't like the endless atlas

abstract karma
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while it looks sick it also bring same issue with altas many have in poe 2

placid yarrow
#

yea

desert jasper
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I might do bow poison again tbh

abstract karma
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its interesting that showcase class is their last druid

placid yarrow
#

bruh

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do you have to do all this each time you wanna fight the boss lmao

desert jasper
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yes

placid yarrow
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It's kinda nice having a long chain to get something

desert jasper
#

... rng armor from the boss

abstract karma
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quite long to get

placid yarrow
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but god damn

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yeah especially that it's rng

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after all that

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lawrd

ebon meadow
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meteor!!!

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i m having a very good time

placid yarrow
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I like how they said they won't spoil the boss and then the pinnacle boss they show clearly is the meteor boss

abstract karma
#

wait so predeminted locations on what you wanna focus ?

desert jasper
#

I don't really like that ๐Ÿค”
Having to choose what way to go

placid yarrow
#

I don't mind it tbh

ebon meadow
#

what is this lab act

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i dont like it xdd

placid yarrow
#

Yeah felt like there was too many things that werent mobs lmao

desert jasper
#

Or sounds like it

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Jonathan's hair has gone grey

placid yarrow
#

that rogue exile one is just nemesis lol

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wtf

ebon meadow
#

more trees

abstract karma
desert jasper
#

Spirits... I don't like it
"look, spirits can take so many things"

spirit loot still is worthless

abstract karma
#

finally approachable endgame for new players

placid yarrow
#

this league feels pretty scattered tbh

desert jasper
#

More spirits

abstract karma
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they reworked a lot and dropped new league.. It's too much

ebon meadow
#

thats qol

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????

abstract karma
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oh god

ebon meadow
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like what the actual f

abstract karma
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i dont want class on altas tree geez ๐Ÿ˜„

placid yarrow
#

all I'm hearing is this is way more work than doing all the maps in a poe 1 atlas x)

ebon meadow
#

atlas tree ascendancy is gotta be a meme

desert jasper
ebon meadow
#

maan

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ofc you will need to because you will lose buffs on drops otehrwise >.>

desert jasper
#

monster hunter? Pog

ebon meadow
#

this is starting to feel like a mmo already apart from zone gen

placid yarrow
#

that's kinda lit

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say abyss one more time

ebon meadow
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ohh i am going to need the voyclines from that

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deli

placid yarrow
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Bro we have to travel everywhere to get all this done gawd damn

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spare me

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deli inside a deli

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wudahell that thing is op

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exposure on hit DansGame

placid yarrow
#

Nice QoL for breach

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oh god not the tree

mental talon
#

Whelp. All my free time.

ebon meadow
#

yea we got the tree

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as a poe1 player i already sign up as a lab rat for mechanics xdd

junior oyster
#

Oh no no chance to duo sts2 now huh whhezy

placid yarrow
#

wait this thing is kinda lit

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This is what imprints should have been fr kappa

junior oyster
#

Imprints from le?

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Sorry am not watching the stream

placid yarrow
#

ya

ebon meadow
#

49 mint patch introduction for an EA omegalul

abstract karma
#

i feel overwhelmed by this update

ebon meadow
#

yes

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its just to much

placid yarrow
#

tbf unless you're SSF you don't have to interact it all, you'll likely only interact with one of the mechanics

ebon meadow
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i said it somewhere else but imagine u watching this for the first time and you want to try the game ? yea...

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i dont think a weekend is going to cover it

placid yarrow
#

I mean you knew nothing about it so them adding a ton of stuff doesn't really change anything

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you still know nothing :P

ebon meadow
#

fair i can see the aproach of know nothing than relearning

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easier to learn when u know nothing

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but this is still overhelming

abstract karma
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well this could also mean they wont change endgame much till 1.0 anymore so we probably focus next updates on lore and rest of classes

placid yarrow
#

My body is ready for martial artist fr

ebon meadow
#

thats fine people asking for more clases and item bases so we might get something cool

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i do miss hitting my bell but bear was great

abstract karma
#

the f.. was that speed

desert jasper
#

No swords? tom

abstract karma
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no, this updates we wont get new types

desert jasper
#

Rip

abstract karma
#

i mean swords would need bring also new class

placid yarrow
#

visual clarity stocks down the gutter

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seven sided strike? :o

ebon meadow
#

MA bama xdd

placid yarrow
#

ew

ebon meadow
#

yes

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yes

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i love my bells

placid yarrow
#

why do they spawn randomly

#

ayo

ebon meadow
#

huh

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excusme

placid yarrow
#

kinda lit

ebon meadow
#

Clap

abstract karma
#

the f--

placid yarrow
#

now we're talking

desert jasper
#

I don't get how that works

ebon meadow
#

maaan

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this fkn teemu runemaster is my starter

placid yarrow
#

empy

#

RF at home

ebon meadow
#

yep

placid yarrow
#

I wonder if the martial artist glove node interacts with uniques

abstract karma
#

minion scaleable RF lol

ebon meadow
#

and the crows remind me of Fiddlesticks

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was my first champion i ever played lol

placid yarrow
#

that wand is op

desert jasper
#

Yea that wand looks nuts

ebon meadow
#

bow srs

abstract karma
#

ok elemental leech

ebon meadow
#

yoo

#

that leap

placid yarrow
#

bypassing cd hmmm

#

but you can't force the fragments Im guessing

#

bruh

desert jasper
#

Voices

placid yarrow
#

bruh

ebon meadow
#

the old pathing tips

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this is pushed towards racing stuff

placid yarrow
#

holy a search bar with actual contrast

ebon meadow
#

wait

#

huh

placid yarrow
#

this is kinda lit

abstract karma
ebon meadow
#

its a pob inside the fkn game ???

#

what

placid yarrow
#

pmuch

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just no calcs

ebon meadow
#

this is crazy with how much they dont like things having acces directly to game

placid yarrow
#

that's big

abstract karma
#

FINALLY i wanted that on market so f.. much

#

no need to use awakened poe trade with copy-paste

desert jasper
#

A friend of mine has been complaining about the price check thing

#

So this should be good for him

placid yarrow
#

That hideout is neat

desert jasper
#

Oh dear, that Servant

abstract karma
#

nothing comes annyoing as goblin troupe so

desert jasper
#

That divinity portal looks cool

placid yarrow
#

lol why is the progress thing mtx only

desert jasper
placid yarrow
#

I menan yeah

desert jasper
#

they want you to pay

narrow token
#

I hope this means we get classes from now on. Updates like this don't do anything for me.

abstract karma
#

classic meme

desert jasper
#

Yo what the

abstract karma
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wait what.. ? wo where 4 classes and rest of accesndecies ?

placid yarrow
#

in 1.0

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prob

abstract karma
#

They wanna release rest past of 1.0

desert jasper
abstract karma
#

no traps would be welcoming with traps you can always creates some broken chars in poe 1

narrow token
#

4 classes, a ton of ascendancies, 6 weapons, 2 acts. Oof

abstract karma
mental talon
#

Divinity Supporter Pack will be bought

abstract karma
#

welp Q&A skipping, time to go

mental talon
#

I have been praying for an Endgame Overhaul and it is seemingly here. Hell yeah. Mirage league into Runes of Aldur. Banger

narrow token
#

I never do endgame, personally. I don't get the draw I guess.

desert jasper
#

Yeah, i need to sleep

junior oyster
#

Neither bliz nor ggg or any other dev for that matter if it's online only

desert jasper
#

Well, isn't d4 online only?

junior oyster
#

Yes

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Hence why I won't buy any kind of cosmetics

#

Dlc is different

desert jasper
#

Right...

junior oyster
#

I honestly hope this screws over the scalpers

narrow token
#

Drip is pretty important to me. The ones from GGG are a little to much for me though.

junior oyster
#

But even in poe2 their skins look af

#

Ugly

narrow token
#

They're not BAD-looking imo. They're not nearly as high-fidelity or detailed as D4 ofc. But I mean they're just priced too high for me.

junior oyster
#

I guess I don't see it that way. I mean anything is better than pots and pans

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I do however like their pets/HO stuff

narrow token
#

Sure. But their base armor doesn't look bad in poe2.

junior oyster
#

Just not gear

narrow token
#

I'm particularly fond of their strength armor and the dex/int armor.

#

I got a chuckle out of this.

junior oyster
narrow token
#

Well sure. There's only one I've been eyeing, and it's because it's what I want int armor to look like. I don't vibe with the base int armor appearances.

ebon meadow
#

well i saw the trailer of the conversation about Nolan yeasterday and i have to agree the trailer is actually a pile

#

i tot it was Troy remake for some reason first seconds omegalul

#

it might be good .... actors can pull things

jovial bane
jovial bane
#

Im sorry, but like some people pointed out

#

I like left a lot more

#

thankfully Odysseus himself does not look tragically bad

#

The very minor thing in D4 LoH that bothers me, so minor it's not really a complaint is fishing

#

Why does D4 have fishing ? When I think adding fishing minigames I'm thinking about cozy games, survival games or ubislop run out of the mill open world

#

What kind of thought process and priorities in pipeline lead to fishing minigame in aRPG ? tom

warped wren
warped wren
#

Ah

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Yeah idc about the costumes THAT much

#

They're accurate enough to be immersive for me

#

Tom Holland saying "dad" is not though

#

๐Ÿ’€

#

I was actually somewhat hyped for this movie because the Odyssey is honestly kinda fascinating as mythological stories go, and Nolan has always produced masterpieces

#

Even after all the naysayers on the internet pre-shitting on the film based on leaked images

#

But yeah this trailer really took the wind out of my sails

sand wigeon
#

just have him say father so it doesnโ€™t kill the flow of the entire movie

sand wigeon
#

also d4 takes mmo inspiration for its open world and mechanics

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fishing is very normal in mmoโ€™s

#

hades also has fishing, for examples of other action games with it

jovial bane
twilit mountain
# jovial bane it does ?

It's more of an easter egg than an activity as far as we can tell, there's a lot of items related to it and Krillson exists but nobody has figured out if you can actually fish yet

#

It's like, several years long history

warped wren
#

it's a massive meme for the most part outside of some direct references like Angler runegraft (rarer than a mirror) or the Surfcaster ascendancy (Phrecia leagues only)

jovial bane
#

makes sense, it strikes me as something you add in free time, unless it's a game that wants it as core mechanic

sand wigeon
#

actually i only play diablo and hades for the fishing

twilit mountain
warped wren
#

not mirror tier or anything but VERY rare

#

I think sacred orb tier? not sure

#

people do use them in conjunction with Angler

twilit mountain
warped wren
#

isn't there a card for it as well

#

I recall seeing one somewhere

fierce moth
#

hah? lol

twilit mountain
#

Couple cards to get them yeah

fierce moth
#

it's like I interview myself lol

#

Double birthday gift GGG gave. Thanks

#

๐Ÿค” Let's see what surprise GGG will give me in their birthday gift

abstract karma
fierce moth
#

Spirit walker?!

#

wow, something fresh and interesting I can play as my build finally

#

A bit like that beast recipe system in poe... ๐Ÿค”

#

yes, the same. But one wave of enemy need to slain in poe only. Wow more challenging

#

omegalul Holy god. That runic system sounds too interesting

#

100 new runes?! Lots of new things available to learn...

#

lol jump into a hole again (it's becoming a classic design for how to enter a vault)

#

....New reworked logbook = a new endless endgame map

Not sure do I want to keep explore because it's like a endless journey... I can spend 6h to do logbook's maps only then a day is gone

#

๐Ÿคฃ I hope I don't stick on one boss from journey on the ocean too long time... Yes...More bosses as usual...

#

Wow green lava... Relevant to abyss?

#

A clear theme for each biome, very cool!

#

lol more interesting but tough decisions for me to make...Because I don't know which rule & standard should I base on

fierce moth
abstract karma
#

all of that is nice but i would also like to see to improve their engine to be more accessable to older HW especially in times of HW crisis due to AI BS (or rightly say LLM's)

#

my hw specs are generally s.. so i dont mind to have instability but PoE 2 is a lot of more stressful on it

fierce moth
#

\o\ the genesis tree is hype me

#

/o/ the scale of new contents in 0.5 is as big as 1.2 of le

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:( But I still worry about the old issue is my build isn't powerful enough to run breaches

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A difficult decision you're sure? Are you sure???? ๐Ÿคฃ

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POG ๐Ÿ˜ฑ ๐ŸŒš Up to five map bosses can be appeared in the final challenge of ritual???????

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Nameless ritual is a true nightmare

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lol GGG go insane. it can reach six. SIX map boss.

GGG know quite well on how to create assets of drama effects available for streamers.

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\0/ It sounds very cool. Something can't miss definitely.

fierce moth
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You mean I can bring a map boss to fight with the other map boss????? WHAT

It's the peak of this video.

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Ok, the 2nd peak: heartseeker version of spell will be available. I must get this wand. Colling bolts looks fantastic.

desert jasper
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Happy birthday @fierce moth

fierce moth
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thx

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Immersing in the excitement of seeing various tracks GGG made for guiding players where to go in campaign... They're quite creative!

desert jasper
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Tbh I might need to look through the announcement again
I was pretty tired yesterday

twilit mountain
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I did a baking

desert jasper
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Enjoy

fierce moth
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Ok, just done the video. They're something I'm excited to see and explore:

  1. Give a try on 2 unique weapons, liminal coil twisted wand and periphery heartwood shortbow
  2. Play a build of spirit walker and reach to lv 92
  3. Deep in reworked ritual to see how hard to make decisions on the road to nameless rituals and how many map boss I can kill once time at max
  4. Simulacrum will just more tough to challenge because progress maps are harder and harder but I want to see how far can I go, but I don't think I can reach corresponding pinnacle boss
  5. Unlock all masters to bonus rewards from map bosses is a must-do thing so masters of atlas tree will spend me some time definitely
  6. Looking forward to find more surprises from new atlas passive tree and do more thinking on how to custom mine
  7. I'm excited to see more crafting so 100+ new runes from the new league mechanic, remnant will a massive task to remember exact details
  8. More currencies for crafting combine with genesis tree from one of endgame encounters, breaches will generate much more fun and I wonder which good gears can I craft
  9. Not sure how to access the fortress area but the potential of targeted farming and the feature of maps inside that available to gain atlas points let the beginning of endgame more interesting
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@junior stirrup GGG cooked so hard recently :D

junior stirrup
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Indeedily ๐Ÿ˜„

fierce moth
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I was exploring ascendency of huntress in last league so I want to finish my experiement at first

desert jasper
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martial, not material

junior stirrup
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If your wedded spouse plays one, is it a Maritial Artist?

fierce moth
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I don't get this joke Oh I see

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it's not a maritial artist, it's a marital artist heavybreathing

desert jasper
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The new monk thing looks cool too tbh

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But I'm probably going to be boring and just play poison bow
Hopefully get actual upgrades during the acts instead of like last time
used same bow from like lvl 12 to 26 something

fierce moth
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The coolest thing in 0.5 is much more things can do in endgame instead of just playing single one from the beginning to the end. It's why I'm impressive with abyssal but I'm burnt out with that now

desert jasper
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It looked to me that the mechanics spread over too many maps tbh

fierce moth
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lol I can't get this type of experience in le is what I'm sure at least

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it's why le is easy to burn out

abstract karma
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Is somewhere summary of Q&A part ? i'm too lazy to listen that

desert jasper
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I'm listening to it currently
I've to admit it's a bit too long

abstract karma
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hmm trough official forum there bunch of posts about PoE 2 shifting for PoE 1 Core and promises about slow and meaningful system and combat system are missing

desert jasper
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Honestly the slow & meaningful combat doesn't work when the minions can just have a mean look at you and you die

fierce moth
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Listen Q&A? Any Q&A GGG released?

desert jasper
fierce moth
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Oh. I skip that part directly everytime

desert jasper
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Well, it's not really relevant for you

fierce moth
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Yes

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I care the environment art and storytelling only. I just learn gameplay to make sure I don't miss new areas

mental talon
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QnA is for the people like me (Longest one I ever remember listening too)

desert jasper
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Yeah

abstract karma
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i would like to know what was Q&A about rather than for who it is or not but so far no luck finding some summary (either not lucky or just nobody bothered yet except another youtube video about it )

desert jasper
vagrant topaz
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Oo

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It will be nice to listen to when I drive

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Is it on ziggyd channel?

desert jasper
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I'm just listening to the VoD from the reveal on gggs channel

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Probably the weirdest part was that they said they don't test stuff like "Okay, what if we used this skill with a lot of extra projectiles" when it ocmes to visual clarity etc

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and they do want to make delve 2.0 apparently

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Just 3 more weeks of waiting for it tom

mental talon
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Yeah Delve is pretty much a matter of when not if, they're very much big fans of it and even if it isn't the most engaged with endgame content the community as a whole likes it. Probably give it 2 years after some continuation of the Kulemak story thread or something would be my guess (underworld civilizations are all the rage)

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(I'm coping probably but I do want me some Delve)

mental talon
twilit mountain
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I see no evidence of them changing how they are designing skills, in fact I see doubling down. Big ol' skip on my end.

abstract karma
mental talon
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No. They want to eventually make Delve in PoE 2. Timeline who knows.

vagrant topaz
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Well, a better question is
What dont you like about their skill design

twilit mountain
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Forced attack times, railroaded skill comboing, and generally unnecessary restriction.

fierce moth
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A delicious brick of sand is arrived \o/

Pear flavour is mainly because it's the strongest one.

junior oyster
desert jasper
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Doesn't that have ridiculous recommended specs on pc?

junior oyster
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Does it? It's a lego game

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I guess the cpu being 12gen or above is a little shocking

desert jasper
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Also 30fps WITH frame gen enabled on minimum

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Like wtf is up with that

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okay I get that gtx 960 isn't exactly that good anymore

junior oyster
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Eh it should be playable on the steamdeck I'm sure of it

jovial bane
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For some god forsaken reason this game runs on UE5

desert jasper
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Ah, yea that would explain it

placid yarrow
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using frame gen in spec requirements / recommendations shouldn't be allowed imo lol

desert jasper
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agreed

junior oyster
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Is this AI related?

placid yarrow
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just tell me what my real framerate will be I can extrapolate what framegen fps will be myself

placid yarrow
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but this is just deceptive

junior oyster
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Oh

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So without framegen it would be like 20fps or something?

placid yarrow
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60 fps with framgen is nothing like 60 fps without

placid yarrow
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Using framegen on lower fps sucks because you get noticeable latency and ghosting

junior oyster
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I see

placid yarrow
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The framegen doesn't predict the future or anything, so the less real frames you feed it the more time it has to "imagine" so you start getting stuff like ghosting

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if you're running at 60 real fps you're feeding it 60 frames of information per second, so the time between each frame is way less and there will be less difference between them so it won't have to do anything drastic to come up with new frames, it can basically just copy the last frame and just slightly move some things and there's your new frame

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but at low real fps the time between each real frame is long enough that the AI has to basically predict the future, which is obviously impossible

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so it just hallucinates

desert jasper
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Yeah
it gets blurry and looks & feels bad to play

placid yarrow
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Here's cyberpunk running at 10 and 20 real fps using framgen to go to 60. I feel like it's pretty clear that there's a drastic difference between this and a real 60 fps. Obviously they're not doing anything this horrible in those system specs but if they can do 30->60 what stops them from doing 10->60 right
https://youtu.be/Ollj5FxUQu8?t=143

In this video, I used Lossless Scaling Frame Generation to try and make Cyberpunk 2077 playable at just 10 FPS. I expected a slideshowโ€”and yeah, parts of it wereโ€”but the results were more playable than they had any right to be.

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junior oyster
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It looks fine

placid yarrow
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The 10 fps one?

junior oyster
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Yea

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Insert this is fine meme

placid yarrow
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not gonna lie you had my mouth wide open irl I thought you were serious

jovial bane
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xD

desert jasper
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Oh, you're not serious?
I'll just drop the pitchforks

junior oyster
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Ngl I have back in the day played on like 10fps lol

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I had an amd gpu that would overheat and cause any games I play to severely lag and played games like sleeping dogs on 10fps xD

placid yarrow
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but yeah TLDR just tell me your game would run at 30 fps on my hardware and I'll choose if I want to use framgen or not. Don't tell me it runs at 60 fps and then add the framgen as a condition, because then it's not running at 60 fps, it's running at 30 real fps still with framgen bumping it to 60 total fps

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Especially because not everyone will know what framegen is or what it does

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they'll get the game thinking it'll run smooth and look great when they see 60 fps just for it to have additional latency and weird ghosting

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Framegen shines when you already have like 50-60 fps+ because at that point the ghosting/artifacting is minimal and the latency isn't really noticeable so it kinda just makes the game feel smoother

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but imo if you're at 60 fps already there's no need for framegen at that point

desert jasper
placid yarrow
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wait holy shit I was looking at the recommended

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30 total fps with framegen is a war crime

jovial bane
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this is why lord gaben is pushing for FPS estimate

placid yarrow
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Yeah no 30 total fps with framegen would be unplayable

junior oyster
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Chris is interviewing Jon?

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Also why does Jon look like he has aged 20 years

placid yarrow
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Yeah I watched it yesterday it was pretty good

desert jasper
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His hair has gone grey

junior oyster
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Oh nvm it's a streamer watching the interview I guess

placid yarrow
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I think he looks fine his hair just went grey, happens

junior oyster
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Nah he be having stress from impatient gamers

placid yarrow
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and considering it all went grey at the same time I feel like it's likely not stress related but just how it was always gonna be

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silver fox

junior oyster
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Btw if anyone is interested d4 is having a free trial of pala for 4 more days

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Not sure what the level cap will be though lol

desert jasper
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Finally bought Ball x Pit

sand wigeon
obtuse rune
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Not even lowkey. Where is my piece of cake?

sand wigeon
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it literally melted in my mouth

fierce moth
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My friends waiting for their pieces of Deias's cake too

obtuse rune
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Those are cool! Nicely done

fierce moth
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Kirra is hungry indeed. 200g cakes jumped in her stomach under 10 mins.

fierce moth
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cool, successful on uv wrap for a mesh at the second time :)

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emmmm... Which material a vase should apply...

ebon meadow
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Wdum? Porcelane ,terracota ...

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Glass

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Granite

abstract karma
fierce moth
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cool, no idea how to craft that

abstract karma
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from piecies which can be put withoug glue but i reconmmend in finishing touch to use glue on some parts to keep it together for long period (paper...)