📚┃off-topic

[mental talon]

This is for Kaom's right please tell me you're going Influenced for Bound by Destiny ye?

[warped wren]

Well I don't use the jewel but yeah I'll be making it like that

Just because it's worth like 400d or something

[mental talon]

Well mainly if another build can use it, being influenced just ups the value for you whenever you're done playing

I'm guessing like Warlord + Elder?

(not home can't look)

[jovial bane]

I used to like D3, then I've tried PoE 1&2, Last Epoch, Diablo 4 and realised that it wasn't that good

But I do have a soft spot for its classes and skill runes system

[junior oyster]

Oh yea I mean it's very dated and was all but abandoned

[jovial bane]

tbf most of my issues boil down to being abandoned

[junior oyster]

But can't lie I enjoy D3 more than LE and PoE2 still

[jovial bane]

endgame sucked variety wise, and set items made builds boring

[junior oyster]

And d4 until (and hopefully D4 LoH)

[jovial bane]

but I did enjoy it back in the day

[junior oyster]

Many of the things they brought to D4 were directly from d3 lol

Bounties, rifts, even echoing nightmares

[jovial bane]

Artificer's Pit

[warped wren]

I could actually just ensure I get Elder to match with my weapon, and swap one of my large clusters for a 3p Voices and fit in the 15% HP elder item Bound

[jovial bane]

I hate it, I did too many god damn rifts in D3 to enjoy the pit

[junior oyster]

Just different names

[jovial bane]

And Belial has the same boss fight

[junior oyster]

Idk I enjoy rifts in D3 more than I do D4 or grim dawn

Lol

[jovial bane]

Blizzard can you stop reusing the god damn belial boss fight !?

They used it in god damn Starcraft 2 HOTS lmao

[junior oyster]

Did they reuse belial from d3?

[jovial bane]

yes in Starcraft 2 HOTS and now D4 as well

[junior oyster]

Heh lol

[jovial bane]

thankfully there are two variations of Belial, and the other one is different

closer to phase 1 of Belial fight in D3 except yk, fun not boring interlude

[junior oyster]

Damn just checked and aside from his looks it's basically same xD

Then again I never looked at him properly in d3

[jovial bane]

that's actually the least of my problems with Belial

And kudos to D4 team, I like that Azmodan is gigantic

not w/e it was in D3

[junior oyster]

Oh Azmo is also in d4? Lol

[jovial bane]

ye, at least like two seasons ago they've added hunting Belial, Azmodan, Andariel and Duriel for rewards

and upgrading their sigils for extra bonuses and loot

[junior oyster]

Oh damn they made mr basketball a wb

Not sure I like that tbf

[jovial bane]

tbh it's Blizzard's fault I hate Lagon fight in LE the most. Because it reminds me of Belial fight. It used to be my fav boss in D3, but it started feeling so overused to me

[junior oyster]

Kitava for me

[jovial bane]

GDI you are right

Kitava is another Belial variation, so that's why I got sick of it

[junior oyster]

Oh yea I guess Kitava was after Billy huh

I tend to forget that lol

3.0 came out in 2017 or something right?

[jovial bane]

unsure

[junior oyster]

Either way it was waay after d3 lol

[jovial bane]

but I'm really sick of "big boss you fight in a tight semicircular arena"

[junior oyster]

Same

And LE took it a step further with the abby guardians

[jovial bane]

yeahh

[junior oyster]

How I hate that fight in that small arena...

[jovial bane]

Lagon at least had big arena interlude

And yk, not that much crap to dodge

[junior oyster]

Minions = stand at stairs and only avoid big aoe lol

[jovial bane]

I forgot about minions deciding to spectate the fight

It was so painful

idk why LE did not click for me this season, might be just aRPG fatigue

[junior oyster]

For me I thought the expansion had released and upon realisation I just quit lol

[jovial bane]

lol

but I think all the jumping from PoE2 to D4, then some Inquisitor Martyr did that to me

[junior oyster]

Good thing I skip poe2 and d4 lol

I don't think I'm going to play poe2 for a while

[desert jasper]

Apparently 2 friends of mine might play PoE next league
One played it back in like
2021? and don't think the other one has played it

[twilit mountain]

A friend of mine is also looking into it

[desert jasper]

The first guy (who did play poe earlier) played HC as his first time, blind and got to like 92

[junior oyster]

Meanwhile me giving up before I even reached to the prison lol

[junior oyster]

Few days to go

[twilit mountain]

Yeah this friend is looking into it cuz all their games in rotation are competitive shooters and they need a drastic change of pace and happened to know I'm a big fan

[desert jasper]

Yeah that's quite a big change

[real kayak]

mirage has been peak PoE. hadn't played in a year and had a slow start but it's been great.

dumped about 1400 div into an AG build and seeing how deep I can delve now.

https://poe.ninja/poe1/profile/Arpawocky-0074/mirage/character/I_EAT_GLUE

12 link AG + perma soul eater / headhunter

[warped wren]

Where poison immunity

I'm playing the same build lol

[twilit mountain]

smh my head, quin dps

[warped wren]

Mine is even lower xdd

[junior oyster]

I know angels don't come back (aside from the traitor one) but I hope they bring back Malthael in d4

[real kayak]

I'm working on it ok 😁 debating on an adorned setup but not sure if I wanna drop another 500 div

[warped wren]

Yeah it's an expensive build if you wanna play it to its full capacity

I think my char is probably worth ~2.5m by this point

Might be more idk

But I learnt that Dissolution is a terrible idea if you don't go Chaos bloodline for Blood Barrier

The character will randomly get deleted in high density content without it

[real kayak]

yea I'm blood barrierd, works good, only degens can cause damage. at like 18.5k life, adorned would put me over 20k and cap res at 90

complicated ass build, took me about a week to get it comfortably working with 8 corrupted items

[warped wren]

I started out with Mageblood and no corrupts

but then I realized what happens if you use Disso

so I quickly got the corrupted gear in place

and once that was setup, it was solid. I need to get VERY unlucky to die now

still happens, but incredibly rare

[warped wren]

but tbh you could get an 87% adorned + its jewels set up in less than that if you're willing to self craft the jewels

it's tedious but very doable. I made my CB immune jewel and maim immune jewel myself, and 1 more normal one too

[real kayak]

I already got 7/2 cb immune magic gem, I don't mind paying for 98-99 adorned I just haven't had a reason

[warped wren]

there's no point going for 98-99

[real kayak]

I don't die and everything else does

[warped wren]

the breakpoint is 86% and then 100%

anything in between doesn't serve a purpose

[real kayak]

oh shit I didn't know that

good to know lol

[warped wren]

it's because of how rounding works in this game

always rounds down

[desert jasper]

quin build would have even lower
and he'd say it's ramping

[warped wren]

Quin is a disease

[real kayak]

I will say, my soul eater max stacked juiced up AG 1V1'ing a soul eater juiced rare is entertaining to sit and spectate

[warped wren]

it's funny when AG steals soul eater

much less funny when he steals the flee mod

because that bricks his AI

giga annoying, they really should fix that

[real kayak]

do you not have soul eater setup? with auto corrupting fever + transfusion?

mine has soul eater perma

[warped wren]

Ofc I do

But the stolen soul eater is funnier

Lasers shooting out everywhere

[real kayak]

dude the flee mod kills me I hate that shit

[warped wren]

It hasn't killed me but the fact that you literally need to either log out or change zones to get rid of that is incredibly stupid

It did brick one of my ultis once

[real kayak]

I'm delving and haven't seen it in there yet, at 500 depth and comfy, gonna shoot for 2k

delve is actually crazy profitable

[warped wren]

delve is great

will probably be starting it next league

is very chill

Simu is another good mechanic to run

just crafted this and praying it sells

[mental talon]

Great league now we rest

https://poe.ninja/poe1/profile/Alwheezy-3643/mirage/character/UndeniableAddict

[warped wren]

I will surely drop a 1p Voices which I can then sell to buy 100% Adorned and then I can call it a league

surely

100%

[real kayak]

haven't ran a simu yet but figured this would be great in it.

[desert jasper]

We got snow again last night

[junior oyster]

It's been warm this whole week so far

[desert jasper]

We had warm for like a month
but this week it started dropping below 0C during the nights again and only been like max +7 during the day with biting winds

[junior oyster]

A10 done on necro

[pine summit]

nte predownload is up (press ctrl+f5 to refresh cache on the main site if you dont see it) (video if you dont know what im talking about) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GOHZo7Q2vo

[warped wren]

guess I'm done with the TMNT roguelite

[warped wren]

fun game

definitely recommend if it's on sale and you like TMNT

[maiden widget]

Bought it as well for 5eur or so was surprised how good it was

[twilit mountain]

Excuse me, sir. You have 3 achievements missing. Get back to work!

[warped wren]

Meme conditionals, no thanks

And anyway I bought Expedition 33 now

So there goes my free time for a bit

[junior oyster]

Wtf did I watch. Now I need bleach

[warped wren]

even with my expectations sky high, the first ~30mins of Expedition 33 have blown my mind

I can already tell that the writing in this game is going to be stellar and I'm here for it

[jovial bane]

expedition 33 is damn well written, and quite fun combat wise 😄

definitely one of the better jRPGs in recent years

[warped wren]

yeah I've never played this style of game and currently I suck

[gilded elm]

Great game, GOTY deserved, hope you enjoy it.

[junior oyster]

Steam controller soon tm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a55UIaiTE-A

Ooof

[abstract karma]

welp it was excepted so

[warped wren]

isn't that pretty normal?

[junior oyster]

Was expecting around £50

[warped wren]

I bought my 8bitdo last year and I think it was at least as much or maybe more

[warped wren]

I... don't think that's a reasonable expectation in 2026 tbh

[junior oyster]

Xbox one controller I bought couple of years ago was around £50 lol

[junior oyster]

Huh what

I thought xbox one released in 2018 or something lol

[warped wren]

time does fly indeed

[twilit mountain]

Xbox One and DualShock 4 controllers are indeed around the $50-60 range still. DualSense is about $75, no clue on Series S/X controllers

[jovial bane]

TBF it also has more features like extra buttons, trackpads and TMR sticks.
And Elite controllers with say back buttons are 200$.

It's probably something in between those

[warped wren]

Bro this game really is something else

[desert jasper]

Man, these people at the gym not cleaning stuff after using
Sure, they wipe them before using but then leave the stuff all sweaty

[junior oyster]

Yea absolutely disgusting lol

[desert jasper]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leKD92i_KYs
New poe2 teaser

[warped wren]

I played E33 for almost 4 hrs straight and only quit because my eyes were gummy because it's 2 am

Yeah this was a worthwhile purchase

Still kinda suck at parrying

[desert jasper]

You'll get there
Glad to see you enjoying the game
I need to buy it at some point too

[vagrant topaz]

Nice blizzard

I wonder how it would be receive if EHG did the same

[desert jasper]

It's totally different when blizzard does it

[vagrant topaz]

I know, right
Because reasons... okay

[real kayak]

what weapon did you end up with on your AG build? I think that's my next and probably last upgrade but 4 gem mod + 40% more ones are 700 div 😭

[warped wren]

Don't even ask what it cost

Settled with lv 16 Ruthless because I was getting so burnt out crafting it

[junior oyster]

Lol wth.

I think grim dawn also did this with constellations

But it's more forgivable because gd is an offline game

Looking forward to playing d4 loh today

[desert jasper]

Well constellation is a bit different from let's say you had Warpath
and some of the nodes weren't available for you because you haven't bought the dlc.

[junior oyster]

Yea also for the base game the constellations fit just right

Most likely it won't happen immediately but I imagine at some point they will let everyone get access to all skills

In 2 years time

[twilit mountain]

Feels the same to me as not being able to use specs in GW2 or subclasses in Destiny 2 from expansions I haven't bought. I really don't get the issue.

[junior oyster]

Me neither. I bought loh so it doesn't affect me 🤣

[twilit mountain]

People are weird, man. Anything they can possibly twist to be "grrrr evil Blizzard/D4" will be twisted even if it's beyond normal

[junior oyster]

Although tbf I do feel like base classes shouldn't be locked regarding skills though

[vagrant topaz]

Not being able to play a new class/mastery/Ascendancy because it's in the Xpac, sure that's fine
Not being to play a chunk of the class your already bought because they reworked the skill tree and now a third of it is locked, imo that's not fine

[twilit mountain]

Vlad

Buddy

I literally gave exact comparisons

Exact comparisons

[vagrant topaz]

Yeah, but the issues is they are locking bits of base classes

[twilit mountain]

Yes

And this exact thing is a thing in both of those prior mentioned games

[vagrant topaz]

We aren't twisting anything to make blizzard look bad

It's twisted already

[twilit mountain]

Okay dude. Enjoy your taste of hate. What do I care

[vagrant topaz]

Oo

You said, people are twisting anything they can to make blizzard looks bad

That's your word

And we agree on locking base class you already bought behind a new paywall is kinda scummy

I don't understand then

[twilit mountain]

I don't agree, mate. This is normal. I have played and enjoyed games that do the same thing. I do not have a problem here. I'm saying being mad about this is ridiculous. So enjoy your weird rage, I won't be partaking.

[sand wigeon]

destiny did this

both of them

that makes it a twelve year old practice minimum

gw1 did it

wow did it

[vagrant topaz]

You found it fine to loose a bit of content you already paid for?

[sand wigeon]

that’s not what happened lol

they didn’t take skills you already had and then lock them

they added new expansions to them, and the new things are what’s locked

you don’t lose any content

[junior oyster]

I gotta be careful of d4 spoilers today lol

So far I've not seen any spoilers heh

[desert jasper]

There are things you can spoil ppl on things in d4?

[twilit mountain]

Yeah?

[junior oyster]

The whole dlc lol

[vagrant topaz]

It's not as bad
But I still don't like it

Feels very scummy

[desert jasper]

Ah right, people care about the story in diablo4

[sand wigeon]

then don’t buy it, but this isn’t like a new thing

[junior oyster]

Yes nub

[sand wigeon]

just sayin’

[sand wigeon]

crazy. people like the story in the game they paid for

[vagrant topaz]

Never said it was new
But I guess it's the first time I am confronted to it

[junior oyster]

I care more about lore of diablo than any arpg xd

Even more than gd

[vagrant topaz]

And not being a new thing doesn't make it a good thing

[junior oyster]

And gd is basically my fav arpg

[sand wigeon]

one day the game’s i care about the story for will get sequels. one day

cough roadwarden

[twilit mountain]

It got that visual novel thingy

[junior oyster]

Bastion for me and I don't mean highguard cough I mean overwatch

[sand wigeon]

that was an older project they rewrote to be in the same setting

and while i did play through windy meadows it was clearly of lesser quality

[twilit mountain]

Blizzard buffed my main in OW this season 🥹

[junior oyster]

Hades is cool but I love bastion waay more

[sand wigeon]

and also it wasn’t much of a sequel

[twilit mountain]

Fair enough, didn't know the other part

[sand wigeon]

stop sleeping on pyre

[twilit mountain]

Pyre

[sand wigeon]

it’s their best game

i love football

[twilit mountain]

It's so weird how little attention that game gets

It's phenomenal

[junior oyster]

I tried it and just didn't draw me in sadly

[sand wigeon]

pyre is legitimately their best and largest game

it’s like triple the length of hades

[junior oyster]

Can't beat bastion and transistor

Well imo at least

[twilit mountain]

That's fair, it definitely isn't of the wide appeal game type I'd say. It's pretty niche.

[sand wigeon]

and the mechanic of losing your units overtime if you do well is rly interesting

[junior oyster]

I do have it on steam collecting dust xd

[twilit mountain]

You kinda have to really like the gameplay to get into Pyre otherwise it just doesn't feel as good as their others I think

[sand wigeon]

also everyone needs to play Felvidek

wow i can’t even mention drugs

[desert jasper]

Never heard of Felvidek before.

[sand wigeon]

that game was definitely made by ppl on dee em tee

[twilit mountain]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2299900/Felvidek/
It's

Weird

[sand wigeon]

it’s a short eastern european rpg

where you play as an alcoholic knight

[junior oyster]

I'll be honest aside from some of the originals like lucio and reinhardt I might not know who you are referring to

[sand wigeon]

lifeweaver

[twilit mountain]

Lifeweaver. He's not new new but he is OW2 era

[sand wigeon]

the queer indian genius

[desert jasper]

Ah yeah I'm not playing that

[sand wigeon]

he lives on his own island out in the ocean like Big Boss from MGS5

[sand wigeon]

why!

[junior oyster]

Ok then definitely no idea. I last played before signa was released I think?

[twilit mountain]

Canonically hot as hell and gets mad women and men.

[sand wigeon]

yep

big boss is also that

it’s rly funny how the best games i have ever played, with some of the best stories, are also games that barely get recognized

[junior oyster]

Me when I mention total annihilation

[desert jasper]

I don't have to like every game out there, now do I?

[sand wigeon]

Roadwarden, Blue Prince, Endling, Nine Sols, Book of Hours, Okami, Pyre, Scarlet Hollow, etc

I cried to Nine Sols and Endling actually

[twilit mountain]

He's a really interesting single target healer. Has a weapon swap mechanic to go between heal and damage which allows you to passively build up burst healing between fights, has a platform that can be placed to give better angles or traversal over some walls (and can cancel a few enemy ults if used right), also has an ability to pull teammates granting them temporary immunity and cleansing any and all debuffs on them, ult is a big tree that pumps out big waves of near isntant health and overhealth. Also also he has a self-healing air dash built in.

[sand wigeon]

dude i literally just asked why get off your high horse

idk why you conceptualize genuine curiosity as some affront to your being

[jovial bane]

old stuff, but by this point some companies are so entrenched they "can do no wrong"

¯_(ツ)_/¯

tbf I was surprised that WotC Pinkertons drama blew up like it did

[desert jasper]

It simply does not look appealing to me.
Nor does playing as alcoholic knight appeal to me

If I want alcoholism in my life I can see plenty enough around me

Not everyone shares your ideas about what is 10/10 must play for everyone.

[sand wigeon]

well… yeah

i don’t expect them to

i was just curious why it wasn’t for you

personally i only play games if i get to be an alcoholic!

[junior oyster]

Poe and any game that has potions is for you then!

[sand wigeon]

no. not potions. alcohol, and they better be calling it alcohol

it’s why disco elysium is my favorite game /s

[jovial bane]

Screw it, I will bite.
Why the /s ?
Because that's not the reason you like it, or because it's an god awful pos game ?

[junior oyster]

Grim dawn has beer

[sand wigeon]

because that’s not the reason i like it

disco elysium is an amazing game

[junior oyster]

And drinking alcohol makes you drunk and lose your ability to hit xd

[real kayak]

oh god yea that was 600+ div, I just got this for 150, and swapped in greater multi strike. I think my damage quadrupled lmao

[sand wigeon]

personally i land all my punches while drunk

speaking from experience

[twilit mountain]

Spiritblades are so funny

[real kayak]

so sexy

[twilit mountain]

I got me one o' them 12.5L Flicker ones up on mirror shops

Wait

For clarity I got a copy of one, not that I have one on mirror shops

I'm somehow nowhere near unemployed enough to make those things

[real kayak]

me neither, mirror tierish crafting is not for me. I'll just farm and buy it.

[twilit mountain]

Most I'll do is like, half a mirror value. And even that's depending on if I have the energy for it, sometimes I just want "close enough". I don't need a billion divines on my account, I just want to be satisfied and capable of doing what I'm aiming for.

[sand wigeon]

it was one of two pieces of media that aided in my conceptualization of culture, a metaphysical energy created by sapient perception, in my own writing

directly inspired in part by disco elsyium’s Pale

the other was Heaven Will Be Mine, where it was also directly called Culture

[twilit mountain]

https://poe.ninja/poe1/profile/klonktg-4698/mirage/character/DeiasBattleMadeWaves

Yes my ring sucks, no I don't want to talk about it

[real kayak]

same, I'm trying to delve deep. at 600 now and my damage was slowing down. I think I'll be fine now til 1500ish.

[twilit mountain]

I love delving but I haaaaaaaaaaaate making delve specialized builds

[real kayak]

I delve for an hour, then do 6 harvest juiced maps with Niko scarab to refill 65k sulphite then back down.

it's crazy how often faceted/ hollow fossil nodes pop up past 500

[twilit mountain]

My issue is that my brain wants to go full force on a build for one mechanic. If it isn't just "this makes more stuff in maps (think Breach or Beasts for example)" I have to dedicate an entire character to just that thing or I'm not happy with it.

[real kayak]

and Aul is easy af, I just afk tank that fight

this build does everything good. haven't tried simu yet but with this new sword I should be fine damage wise

I got about 25 str nodes I can tattoo too

[twilit mountain]

Some day I'll just tattoo my entire passive tree for fun

With exclusively the expensive ones. It'll be pointless but funny.

Unrelated. Holy shit, Warlock is ripped this is great.

[desert jasper]

Get a tattoo of your entire passive tree

[twilit mountain]

I'd die

[desert jasper]

Ah right, afraid of needles

Well, that's just a part of the experience
Dying a little

[twilit mountain]

Maybe some day I'll overcome it enough to get something done, I really would love to

[desert jasper]

I'd like to get dark sign from dark souls
but eh 🤷‍♂️

[real kayak]

I used to be scared of needles but combat lifesaver course fixed that pretty fast

starting an IV on yourself is real fun

[desert jasper]

I've come to terms with them
Kinda have to because of diabetes

[sand wigeon]

i have to get my blood drawn every three months and now that i experience that so often i’ve gotten past my own fear

[real kayak]

also lubricating an intubation tube with your spit then jamming it up your nose and down your throat is quite the experience

[twilit mountain]

Eugh...

[desert jasper]

What a wonderful thought

[real kayak]

kinda pokes the back of your eyeball

[sand wigeon]

now i wanna do that

that sounds weird

[placid yarrow]

My guy really bought an anthill

[twilit mountain]

We have some comedians on the dev team I see

[desert jasper]

Yes

[twilit mountain]

Spoilering just in case: ||THERES FISHING. GAME IS PEAK.||

[warped wren]

150 for that is alright yeah. You could have made it for cheaper but it really is a headache

[junior oyster]

To wait or not wait is the question

[desert jasper]

Why yes, I'll click the... BUTT? to use my skills

[junior oyster]

Sorc or Necro hmm

[pine summit]

nte with pathtracing on

[sand wigeon]

that looks. awful holy

[abstract karma]

2021 and now we have shaders ai slops >.>

[sand wigeon]

that's so uncanny

like it's trying to be realistic but even without putting in effort my brain is subconsciously picking up details that are intimately divorced from reality and making it so uncanny

the thing that IMMEDIATELY jumped out were the clouds, they're way too low to be that kind of cloud and the reflections are wrong so it's very obviously a skybox to my brain

[pine summit]

this is with it off for reference

[sand wigeon]

that looks so much better

[pine summit]

for context its meant to be an anime style game

[sand wigeon]

yeah stylized will always be better

[pine summit]

it is kinda a weird mix at times given the supernatural horror parts

[junior oyster]

Come on Blizz you gotta add pigments to weapons too..

[jovial bane]

and more than like 2 haircuts 😦

[junior oyster]

Ok damn the ||giant rats|| are giving me tripophobia lol

[warped wren]

snazzy

Blizzard gets their outfits right, without a doubt

[junior oyster]

Not to mention how clean the skills look

[jovial bane]

I think sad reality is, that's the most important thing in aRPGs

looking good

and feeling good obviously, then mechanics are secondary or tetriary

[warped wren]

I don't agree with that at all lol

[jovial bane]

tbf I do have very "black pilled" takes on gaming

unless it's indie

[sand wigeon]

i just had fun in my first match of league

i think this can only be a bad thing

[twilit mountain]

I'm struggling to figure out what skills to go with in the long run on Warlock. Partially cuz I'm not sure how to feel about the class specializations thing. I'm considering axing the minion part entirely.

[junior oyster]

I went sorc so I have no idea about warlock xD

I might switch over to warlock at some point though

[warped wren]

it's ironic that the most fun I had in league (solo) was when I played with chat completely muted

[junior oyster]

Super ZSNES is back??? Nice

[jovial bane]

so far LoH is fun, but man VoH felt really pointless in retrospect

[junior oyster]

Bit of a spoiler but this boss bugged out lol

Wth I clearly marked it as spoilers

Ok nvm discord is just glitchy right now it seems

[jovial bane]

Yeah, this server plainly stopped working on discord twice already. At least for me

I think something is up with Discord

[junior oyster]

StS server too

So yea Discord

[jovial bane]

Probably the really big, public servers

Warlock so far is fun, but I dare to say it doesn't feel really that unique

It's like playing sorcerer in D&D compared to wizard

[junior oyster]

Still doing sorc here xD

[jovial bane]

Basically you have the fire spells, shadow spells and some are summons that do direct damage. Then you have actual summons with "buts", like it cannot move, or you summon a sigil which spawns demons if you kill stuff inside

It plays basically like Witch Doctor minus traditional pets, plus blink ?

I like it, wish it was a bit more unique but I don't really mind it that much. At some point stepping on other classes toes is inevitable

[twilit mountain]

Yup, DMs are breaking too

[mental talon]

Ok who broke Discord, reveal yourself

[warped wren]

It is I. I cast Mass Touch Grass!

[mental talon]

Jokes on you I just got back from my ruck, I was touching grass for 2+ hours

[twilit mountain]

Oh cool, mpreg

[twilit mountain]

DO NOT CLICK IF YOU ARE WORRIED OF SPOILERS

||Holy shit man, Tyrael drop in is crazy. The pure gods damned aura of summoning the sword and handing back Lorath's mark is so good. Gods I am so glad the game has its writing actually shown, not just told.||

[pine summit]

depends where you are, too

[twilit mountain]

Still looks pretty uncanny but I ain't gonna argue

[sand wigeon]

yeah still looks just as bad

[pine summit]

all good, option is there for path tracing if people want it

i get how it might detract from the anime aesthetics for some

[sand wigeon]

i don’y think the game looks very good either way tbh

even within the anime style

stylization is always more important than fidelity and i don’t think it leans enough into stylization

[warped wren]

@gilded elm in your opinion, is it worth learning agentic AI on a no-code base or is the extra effort of learning coding from scratch at age 36 worth it for someone who just wants to be able to understand use agentic AI in other workflows

[gilded elm]

Are you asking about whether incorporating agentic AI into your non-code projects is worth it?

[warped wren]

No, from a learning pov

[gilded elm]

Oh using a coding agent to help you learn?

[warped wren]

Like should I literally start learning to code so that I can learn agentic AI or is it ok to just start from a no-code approach

[gilded elm]

Honestly it depends on the model to an extent because no-code approach should be reinforced by a really good teacher but yeah I think it's possible to learn how to use agent harnesses or to create your own agentic workflows without having prior coding knowledge.

For example Claude would be a pretty good teacher.

[warped wren]

I mostly just want to learn it for personal use + having working knowledge of how it can potentially integrate in organizations

Trying to learn coding from scratch feels intimidating

[gilded elm]

Right. The concept of an "agent harness" is quite broad in terms of its form factor. Claude Code is an agent harness, but that's a terminal-based coding agent and it might not be your preferred method of interfacing with an agent. Then there's personal assistant agent harnesses which are focused more on giving AI more autonomy and integrating it into your personal or work life (reading your emails, searching your computer etc).

[warped wren]

I know people who've integrated agents into stuff like WhatsApp or Gmail but I'm not that aware of how it all works yet. But yeah I'll probably use Claude

Probably start with something that can read a specific kind of email to do preliminary research on

[gilded elm]

If you did want to use a coding agent, I think that's fine though. The models these days are good enough that I don't think you need to feel compelled to learn to code, but it does require a different kind of skill, basically you do want to develop (over time) a fundamental understanding of LLMs/contexts/tools so you know how to actually optimize your workflows.

LLMs really get finnicky when intent is ambiguous and working around this requires a certain kind of workflow. I wouldn't get too ambitious starting out, literally just ask Claude to build something for you, don't even think about it. Then ask Claude to explain things in a way that you would understand. Ask questions, that's important.

Oh and don't grant Claude access to destructive tools until you feel safe about it. Claude can read my emails, but I don't allow it to delete or edit anything.

Things have been ramping up, it's been getting crazy. At work, I've barely written more than a few lines of code by hand in the past couple weeks. The models and tooling are starting to get really good and agentic coding is super powerful in the hands of a software engineer. We got people at work with OpenClaw agents just working while they sleep lmao.

[warped wren]

Hmm right, that's why I wanna upskill a bit, even if it isn't technically my wheelhouse

Thanks for the input

[pine summit]

https://twitter.com/NTE_GL/status/2049352982530027843 3rd free SSR

[desert jasper]

Man
I did not stretch enough after the workout yesterday and I feel it now

[jovial bane]

Heh D4 story is basically family drama including Sanctuary's most messy divorce

I definitely enjoy the family drama focus way more than VoH "filler content"

[light geyser]

Nearly sorted

[vagrant topaz]

I don't understand the concept of dump tab in LE

You can assign affinities to every tab

And when it doesn't go there because it's full in 3 clicks you can duplicate it

[ebon meadow]

Go fast pick stuff sort it later

Realistically u going to set affinity on stuff u want but not for everything that can be useful

[light geyser]

I like to zoom, dump, then when cba with mono , sit n sell dumped stuff

[ebon meadow]

We all hoarders let's be real xdd

[desert jasper]

I'm not

[light geyser]

but i betr you would like to have stashes be better

[ebon meadow]

I would like filtering to be better but that's for a lot of games

The simplerer but efficient the better

[desert jasper]

I just don't pick things I don't need
Sometimes this does lead to me later realizing I could've used it but that's fine

[light geyser]

Im using a MG filter for high value stuff, so i just dont look at it, i zoom, pickup, dump, zoom some more, so i know most stuff i pick up is sellableat high value, and then ive altered the filter to show class specifics for my build. so i know whats sorted and whats sellable

[desert jasper]

Yeah I don't play mg

[light geyser]

never tried CoF

[ebon meadow]

Cof is nice but I still hoard lul

[vagrant topaz]

I really don't need dump tab, that's why I am confused
If its an exalted, goes in the exalt tab
If its Uniques, uniques tab
Idols? Idols tabs

[ebon meadow]

Target farming wise best ssf implementation

[vagrant topaz]

Set? Set tabs

There is nothing else

[ebon meadow]

I have idol dump stash

[light geyser]

my ocd kicks in when it not sorted like my vid, like everything clean, but boy its expensive for the tabs

[vagrant topaz]

Why not having your idols go straight in 'your idol tabs?
If you pick it up, it means you think it's good because your filter showed it

Otherwise it doesn't show, and you don't pick it up

[ebon meadow]

No I mean I have idols that I use and then I have a dump tab for hmm this is good for another character

[light geyser]

ma dump is just for high value sellables, thwe idols are there for if i m ake a new build

[ebon meadow]

They are with affinity

[vagrant topaz]

I have tabs for primalist idols, sentinel idols Weaver idols

And everything is auto sorted

I don't get the point of having an middle step

[ebon meadow]

It's a weird habit I prefer take time go through everything instead of sorting it by tabs affinity idk lol

[light geyser]

i might just setup my dump to take the exact stat high value stuff i have in my filter. but will take forever

[ebon meadow]

But I do have class idol tabs to it's just I always have extra 2 dumps and idol dump

What I can't be asked is something like setting up a character affinity so everything for that character goes to one tab because I don't know if I end up making the character at all

[light geyser]

hahah i was thinking of doing that, currently have a fire spriggans, a heartseaker and a minion build in the works

[ebon meadow]

If u going to make it than sure but if it's a 50/50 meh

[light geyser]

i already have tabs for my twink / reflect builds

but they universal for all classes, so might not make seperate for the others

[teal urchin]

Memes

[warped wren]

just read this and I pray that it is medically diagnosed OCD and not a trivialization and dilution of medical language for the sake of engagement

[light geyser]

Nope not engagement, just the thought of my tabs being messy when offline...brings me back online just to check. Must be about 4 times a day I check. Like a blue arsed fly at home... Oooh is this where it should be.. why's that there. I didn't move it? The angle on my Striker, Jaeger isn't where it should be... There loads of tiny things that ain't really tiny to me.. if they wrong the whole day ruined

[warped wren]

Yeah so that's just engagement if you don't actually have OCD

Mental health disorders are more than just some funny or cutesy inconveniences

[sand wigeon]

idk that sounds like ocd ano

i don't have it, but a close friend of mine does, and that sounds like compulsions

[mental talon]

@junior oyster I love Bridges.

[junior oyster]

I have no idea what that card is or does lol

[mental talon]

Curse

I took it to get 2 free removes but then had to pivot from the shop because of Elite fight

[twilit mountain]

I have successfully finished the main campaign of Lord of Hatred. Ignoring my one gigantic horrible bug at the veeeeeery end, that was very solid imo.
I enjoyed that a lot; great area design, solid story and character writing, top notch animation and art as always, fun bosses (I intentionally played at higher difficulty so I couldn't nuke them). I'm quite happy with what they have done.

[junior oyster]

Been playing normal mode because fire sorc kinda sucks

I'm nearing the end though I think

[twilit mountain]

Pretty sure lightning Sorc is still the giga archetype of the class yeah, but fire should be doable in endgame with gearing.

[warped wren]

I'm about 8 hrs into E33 and I can safely say I get the hype now, and I feel privileged that we get to experience such a work of art for a few tens of dollars

Whatever awards the team got aren't enough

Genuinely

[twilit mountain]

Ok

[warped wren]

What

[sand wigeon]

when did your takes on games get so bad lol

[warped wren]

?

it's a bad take to call a fantastic game a fantastic game?

[sand wigeon]

where's the fantastic game?

[warped wren]

Yeah idk Dream I thought it might have been a productive chat but with you starting off with an insult rather than a counter opinion, I guess I shouldn't have bothered. I'm not really in the mood for low effort ragebait.

[twilit mountain]

The counter opinion is simple; game sucks.

[vagrant topaz]

Always nice to see well developped arguments

[twilit mountain]

It's honestly incredible how often people default to assuming she's ragebaiting because she has the opposite opinion than they do.

[twilit mountain]

As for this, I cannot be bothered to put effort into developing an argument against people deepthroating that hogwashed deus ex machina piece of utter garbage that they call a video game.

[vagrant topaz]

Right, it's just easier to tell people they are wrong and leave it there

[twilit mountain]

Yep.

I think y'all forget that I'm an antagonistic, rude, and frankly violent person sometimes. I do not care if you agree with me or not I will simply ignore it.

[sand wigeon]

i am never ragebaiting

like ever

everything i say is my unfiltered dogshit opinion

idk why ppl constantly say i'm ragebaiting

i've given long extensive breakdowns of why that game is flawed and not even good, i don't have the energy to do it again

[sand wigeon]

also it's inherently inflammatory to state e33 didn't "earn enough rewards" when the amount of rewards they earned shirked other, more deserving projects, functioning as an industry plant in what has been overtime a community event

it is the most awarded video game in history, and i compel you to truly analyze the video game you are playing for the much-too-long story and wonder if it is the best game ever made

[warped wren]

I've never had that conversation with you, nor am I compelling you to explain it all again

[warped wren]

if you say so. Insulting someone's opinion right off the bat is hard to classify as something else though. Especially because you and I disagree on games often enough and I don't recall ever insulting you for your opinions.

[warped wren]

Sure if that's how you wanna interpret the statement. I didn't actually talk about real game awards or anything though. And I do recall the last time you guys talked about this, I agreed with you all that yes, real indie games should be the recipients of real indie awards, not larger studios.

[warped wren]

"Deepthroating"? I disagree with you saying D4 is a great game but have I ever claimed you're "deepthroating Blizzard's shite" or something? I don't recall so.

[warped wren]

and again, that's what one would think when somebody opens a conversation with an ad hominem rather than "I don't agree because xyz"

[twilit mountain]

I call D4 good. Not great. At least get your comparisons right.

[warped wren]

alright fine, good not great, does that really change my point?

again, I understand disagreement, I don't understand insults appearing out of thin air

[twilit mountain]

You're fully within your right to insult my opinions on it, too. It's amusing you think I am or would be bothered by that. I have my opinions on human rights insulted on a daily basis, this is so far down the totem pole that I get a twisted sense of fun out of seeing people rise to something as small as this.

[warped wren]

...?

[sand wigeon]

Whatever awards the team got aren't enough
Genuinely
ano, pls explain how "awards" doesn't mean "awards"

[warped wren]

Deias, idk if you're having a bad day or something, but I think I should explain that I think of you as a friend and I don't randomly go out of my way to insult my friends for enjoying something even if I don't like it or agree with it. I don't think that's what friends are supposed to do when seeing each other experience joy. And I don't think that kind of behavior is justified by "oh I get so much shit from other people so me indulging in shitty behavior is just funny"

[warped wren]

I can see why that statement might be confusing and annoying but to be clear I just meant that I was loving the experience and I felt that the team behind it deserves more praise and recognition

[sand wigeon]

the team was one of the most funded teams ever and they received the most awards on an individual project of any game team ever

[warped wren]

okay? I'm saying I used that expression as a compliment and not a literal "give them more stuff"?

[sand wigeon]

frankly, i don't think deias sees you as a friend, take that how you will

[sand wigeon]

i'm saying get less confusing compliments, then

[warped wren]

sure alright

Idk I wasn't expecting this level of random ass hostility out of nowhere over expressing enjoyment of a video game

[sand wigeon]

if "when did your game opinions get so bad" is the insult, then... you're a grown man you can handle a dissenting opinion about your stature, it's barely even an insult. it's just me saying i have come to not agree with your opinions on games

[sand wigeon]

i am an e33 hater

i believe e33 has done irreperable damage to the gaming sphere, following after bg3's footsteps in that regard, and that not only is the game technically and visually poor, along with having a bad story and poor gameplay systems, but it's also an industry plant

liking this game is a fundamentally bad thing to be doing in my view

i'm not hostile. i'm direct, and you don't like what i'm saying, so that means it's "hostile" when we simply disagree

i have nothing against you and i don't think your takes on video games are of much import to a person's character

frankly ano, i think you need to recognize that you simply... rly don't like me! and understand i am not actually being hostile, you just don't want to be talking to me lol

[warped wren]

enjoy I guess. Pointless conversation. Ad hominems are dissenting opinions in the same way that a barfight is a public disagreement.
Also I disagree with "visually poor, bad story, poor gameplay systems" because I have enjoyed every single aspect of them so far. I have no data on industry plant and I'm not inclined to believe it either. I haven't played enough BG3 to have an opinion on that take either.

[sand wigeon]

where is the ad hominem

[warped wren]

whatever dude

[sand wigeon]

i am asking a genuine question

[warped wren]

to spell it out for I think the 3rd time: opening with "when did your takes get so bad" aka an insult rather than "I don't agree with your opinion" is, in fact, an ad hominem

[sand wigeon]

you're right, it can be taken that way. to me there's no difference in your example statements, but understanding you're different, i apologize

[warped wren]

apology accepted, thanks for understanding where I came from

[sand wigeon]

that being said, the first ten hours are the best of e33

it declines fast

[warped wren]

even if it goes to, like, 50% of where it's at now for me, I would still love every minute of it I think

[sand wigeon]

i suppose i should have suspected as much

[warped wren]

I actually added very the first soundtrack, from the opening segment of the game, to my regular playlist

[sand wigeon]

the music is the best part of the game and the only thing they actually deserved rewards for

[warped wren]

my wife randomly heard it playing and was like where'd you hear such an amazing song from

the music really is great so far. Like, independently good as well as perfectly meshed with the settings and scenes

[sand wigeon]

i hate it, but it's good yeah

[warped wren]

in fact, thinking back on it, I think one of the contributing factors to my bouncing off the initial few hours of BG3 is because their soundtrack just isn't particularly immersive

[sand wigeon]

i turn off music while playing games so

[warped wren]

like the combat soundtrack seems to be the same for the while that I played and it's kinda shit

[warped wren]

I do this for ARPGs

surprisingly Darktide has some of the most BANGER soundtracks imaginable

[sand wigeon]

i do it for everything, i've rarely had a soundtrack enhance a game

usually i'll play with it on for a bit before fully turning it off

notable games i haven't turned off the music to while playing: dishonored, roadwarden and celeste

[warped wren]

I think I got Dishonored for free on PS

but then I haven't been able to play on the console for ages

[neon sigil]

An ad hominem is not by definition an insult. An ad hominem is when an insult is used as an argument.

E.g. ad hominem: your argument is bad because insult
Non ad hominem: you are insult because your argument is bad

[warped wren]

I really wanted to move on from this, but if you insist: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/ad-hominem

[neon sigil]

An ad hominem is a fallacy. Cmon mate, how is an insult a fallacy. You have to be fallacious for it to be an ad hominem

[neon sigil]

Even that definition supports it

[warped wren]

the insult itself isn't a fallacy, the act of insulting character / individual rather than rebutting argument is the fallacy

[neon sigil]

Exactly. Insults aren't a fallacy unless the supporting argument is insulting their character as part of their argument

It isn't instead of rebutting the argument, it's when it's used as a logical fallacy in an argument

An insult used instead of arguing is just... An insult

[warped wren]

situationally speaking, if your response to a point is simply "your take is shit" rather than at the very least "your take is shit because xyz" then that literally is an ad hominem. Specifically falling under Abusive Ad Hominem

[neon sigil]

if your response is "your take is shit" that's them insulting you and refusing to argue. An ad hominem requires an argument to even be fallicious in the first place.

[sand wigeon]

i rly have no skin in this but i wanna mention, ano, that all of this is you assuming "when did your takes on game get so bad lol" is an insult

[warped wren]

eh? no?

[warped wren]

yeah yeah this is just academic

[sand wigeon]

i felt pretty blase about that statement, frankly, and it was meant to poke fun not insult

[neon sigil]

an ad hominem is a logical fallacy in an argument.
If you are not argueing. You are not making an ad hominem when you insult someone.
"Your take is shit" is not an argument, it makes no claims beyond the insult.

:v anyways sorry for being autistic about this

[warped wren]

I guess that's one interpretation of it. Subjective IMO

because it's not unreasonable to think an insult IS an argument

[sand wigeon]

if i'm insulting someone i'm not going to be arguing with someone lol

i'll be busy insulting them

[neon sigil]

I think the nuance is the differentiation between an argument, e.g. two people bickering, and an argument, the academic concept.
An insult, by itself, is an argument in one but not the other.

[sand wigeon]

i was never going to engage in the first place

[warped wren]

reasonable differentiation

[real kayak]

did you put foulborne 7 leagues on your AG? I forgot that's an upgrade I can make and wondering if it's worth it.

[warped wren]

hell nah, I used a volatile vaal'd Foulborn Victarios

I think it's 13 or 14%

this was my final POB: https://pobb.in/NO-594latUBn

[real kayak]

sweet thanks dude. I'm still delving lol, almost to 750. tried a simulacrum and it was easy af.

damn your boots are sick

[warped wren]

I got very lucky with the suffixes

I delved to about 400 but called it a league soon after

I think I will probably start delve and/or simus next league though

Very chill mechanics

Good change of pace

[real kayak]

yea I'm loving it, delve for an hour, 6 maps w/ harvest to refill, back in. I'm about done too but nothing else I wanna play.

[desert jasper]

Tbh I'm kinda thinking of maybe coming back just for delving and maybe heisting

Not that I'd really need the currency from it
but as something to do to pass the time better than doomscrolling while I'm not sending out job applications

Just kinda annoying to do the initial set up for heisting, getting the characters unlocked and maybe some gear for them
At least you don't need to lvl them up anymore

[maiden widget]

Jesper kyd is so good

[jovial bane]

after Mechanicus we've got so many 40k soundtrack bangers 😄

I do have a soft spot for tracks from older 40k games like say DoW, or first Space Marine, but the quality leap was noticeable

[jovial bane]

Regarding E33 soundtrack I think it's a bit overrated, It's good.
But it's a soundtrack I like listening to couple of my fav tracks, entire thing ? I don't enjoy it all that much, some songs feel same-y if that makes sense.

[hasty grail]

Finished the D4 dlc - pretty good

Also do all these companies share voice actors? Coulda sworn I heard Apophis in the campaign lol

[warped wren]

the VA industry is quite small afaik, and the biggest names in it work on a lot of projects

e.g. Shohreh Aghdashloo has given her voice to a LOT of characters

as did the guy who voiced Zavala in Destiny 2 who later tragically passed away, I forget his name

Lance Reddick!

that was his name

amazing actor and voice actor

[junior oyster]

Yea just finished the campaign too

Honestly I think it was good but ||I would have liked a little cliffhanger of what will be next lol||

[twilit mountain]

We'll just get Nolan North to cover for him /s
(They have a section in Destiny 2 where his character imitates another and the devs said that in the studio they had to do multiple takes telling him to "do it shittier" because it was too accurate an impersonation)

In seriousness, genuinely irreplaceable, they've had to pull back on using Zavala a lot because of how hard it has been to have his lines covered and not be super noticeably different

[hasty grail]

kinda took me off guard when ||fighting Adreona, hearing its Apophis||

[junior oyster]

Who?

[warped wren]

idk if you've played Horizon but his VA in that is incredibly good as well

perfectly embodies the smart asshole archetype

[junior oyster]

Oh speaking of similar va's I swear Conquest (invincible) and fake kitava in LE sound so similar to me lol

[twilit mountain]

I have not, but I believe I have at least one of them in my Steam family (there's four or five people in it)

Nnnnot sure if I can run it, I'd have to double check

[junior oyster]

The evil dude right?

[warped wren]

that's the thing, he's done his role so well that you can't even legitimately call him evil

[junior oyster]

Tbf it's been ages since I played that game so I can't remember

He isn't in the sequel right?

[warped wren]

uhhh I think he is?

don't fully recall

been a minute for me too

[junior oyster]

I don't have the sequel though

[warped wren]

yeah he is

he just has a smaller role, unfortunately

I think because Lance Reddick was quite ill by that time

[junior oyster]

I see

[desert jasper]

The meals in monster hunter make me hungry

[twilit mountain]

Yeah they be like that, it's rude

[twilit mountain]

Homie got that Destiny 2 Dragon's Shadow fit on

[desert jasper]

I've only played destiny 2 for like 2hours, if even that
I've no idea what you're talking about realy

[warped wren]

new Banksy appeared in London a few days ago:

brilliant as always

so many layers of meaning captured in a single piece of art

one of my favorites because it's literally within walking distance of where I live

[real kayak]

Bishop 😎 I met him on a USO Tour when he was in Baghdad, Michael Biehn too.

[warped wren]

would have been amazing to meet Lance Reddick

[real kayak]

just a quick meet and greet but everyone's always cool as shit. Steven Colbert used our bathroom in the Al Fah Palace as his dressing room, I was right behind the stage for their Today Show in Baghdad. when he shaved his head.

[desert jasper]

Eh
It has kinda similar theme but don't think it's the same

[hasty grail]

||the Amazon queen you fight sounds like Apophis||

[junior oyster]

I searched up Apophis. She is the snek lady from LE lol

I forgot who Apo was

[twilit mountain]

There's many characters named Apophis across media cuz it's just.... big snake god from Egyptian mythology.

[desert jasper]

Ah, one of these again
sus

[junior stirrup]

I cast Lightning Bolt!

[junior oyster]

I cast fallout boy

[jovial bane]

I played a lot of D&D, and I already see couple of red flags

[desert jasper]

Yup
Also not the first time this person posts that they're looking for people

[shy sage]

Maybe need to call mods?

[desert jasper]

There's... technically nothing breaking the rules, I guess
And it's not posted often enough for it to be spam either

[jovial bane]

and tbf my red flags are regarding the nature of the game, so it might be just that people keep leaving the campaign, and it's in perpetual slots filling mode

just a possibility

[desert jasper]

It was a different campaign last time

[jovial bane]

Aren't campaigns usually way way longer ? Kind of reinforces my suspicions lol

It's been what ? 3 months since the last time ?

[desert jasper]

Never actually played any

[obtuse rune]

They usually last longer than a few months

That is sus as they spammed invite and didn't add to the conversation or inquires

That FOMO tactic won't work here today

[warped wren]

all the D4 players here, how's the playfeel of the Paladin?

[junior oyster]

D4 player here but sadly I only play sorc

For like 2 hours and then quit the game 😂

[vagrant topaz]

Lol

Why?

[junior oyster]

Why to what?

[vagrant topaz]

Why did you quit?

[junior oyster]

Usually I do but this time I might stick around for a bit longer

I kinda like the wartable thing

[vagrant topaz]

Ah so you haven't quit yet?

[junior oyster]

But normally I get bored very easily

Like the skill tree (even now) feels kinda boring. But then again I haven't unlocked paragons yet so idk

[vagrant topaz]

Skill tree was fun enough from lvl 1 to 30
And now it's just +lvl to skills

I am just lvl 45 rn

[junior oyster]

Tbf though it's much closer to d2 now though

[jovial bane]

I miss passives in the skill tree

[junior oyster]

I'm around the same level I think

[junior oyster]

Same

Also putting points only in the main skill feels kinda... bland

[jovial bane]

Extremely tanky, has very thematic divine spells

[vagrant topaz]

D2 skill tree isn't really interesting tbh

[junior oyster]

I'd like to be able to put points into the side upgrade nodes

[warped wren]

animations pack oomf?

[jovial bane]

Yep

[warped wren]

hmmm

I am a big fan of Paladin style archetypes

[junior oyster]

In retrospect neither is the d4 skill tree. I was hoping for an overall bigger branches but it feels like d3 runes now lol

The side paths I mean

[jovial bane]

gdi you are right

It's like 10% of the runes, but with skill points to upgrade skills lmao

[vagrant topaz]

I am enjoying the game enough that I am considering buying the Xpac, even though I am still annoyed at the 1/3 of the tree locked behind a paywall thing

[jovial bane]

hilariously enough I don't hate the new nodes, I just want passives back

[junior oyster]

Also I'ma spoiler this since it's related to the lore but ||they stole so much from d3 but can barely be bothered to reference d3 is insulting aside from using d3 chars||

[jovial bane]

LoH felt like proper expansion

[junior oyster]

Same. I like skill conversions

[jovial bane]

VoH on the other hand uhmm, filler content that if it was removed from the game safe for the last 5 minutes and a fight

Nothing would change 😐

[junior oyster]

Would hope that we get skill conversion from uniques too (I don't know about uniques).

[junior oyster]

Yea lol

Also VoH was kinda predictable imo

[jovial bane]

safe for the last twist, which is hard to predict because how stupid it was

[junior oyster]

Met the old man. I was like yeaaa this guy gunna betray us lol

[jovial bane]

I try to justify by thinking it in D&D terms it would be like "you want to persuade him to do what ? okay, you have ridiculous charisma bonus. You may roll, but it will be very difficult rolls nat 20"

I have a feeling that considering (LoH spoilers, not VoH) ||Neyrelle is a controversial character, and she gets killed off screen before expansion even begins. Whoever wrote VoH really loved her, and was removed from their role||

[junior oyster]

Does it really count as a spoiler if they showed a whole damn trailer before game release?

Also I hated Neyrelle at the start but over time I actually started to warm up to her (sort of like Leah in D3 lol)

Also I kinda hated that Lorath ||was offed offscreen too||

[twilit mountain]

Paladin cooks really hard, plenty of very viable builds from classic Hammerdin to Auradin to "summon a gigantic lance from the sky to chain holy lightning off of".

[warped wren]

Gigantic sky Lance?

That does sound cool

Man the damn expansion is just kinda expensive

At least at this specific point in time for me

[twilit mountain]

Totally get that, I was lucky enough that wheezy grabbed it for me. But yeah, Spear of The Heavens is kinda gnarly.

[narrow token]

I want tempers like this back tbh

[twilit mountain]

Yeah the loss of those kinda sucks, I'm not sure why we didn't get equivalent replacements (maybe there are and I haven't seen them idk)

[neon sigil]

been modding tales of maj'eyal, and I've finally gotten to the point where coding feels natural.

Even if I still suck at it. I'm not making any basic errors and it doesn't feel hard to read or write it.

debugging though is another story.

[desert jasper]

I've been playing some Monster Hunter World again
It's very nice
though I wish you could just go through the whole game with a friend without having to deal with the cutscene bullshit

[neon sigil]

Press X for a quicktime event.

[desert jasper]

Don't think there are any of those in MHW

[neon sigil]

But I want to rage without putting in the effort of playing the game.

[desert jasper]

Just that the "cutscene bullshit" being that if you haven't seen the cutscene in the mission yet you can't join it or others can't join you... So you need to find the right location and then it plays
then other people can join
Sure, this is mostly during the story and the story isn't that long
but it's still annoying

And can't skip them either

[neon sigil]

oof that does sound annoying

[desert jasper]

I remember the community asked the devs about it
And they said that they worked har don the cutscenes and don't want people skipping them 🤷‍♂️

I don't really mind the cutscenes while playing it alone
but I remember when a friend tried playing for first time & we wanted to do co-op they almost made him quit it

[warped wren]

GGG ass take

[desert jasper]

Yeaah
Tbh the MH games that came after that did allow for it and they didn't wanna start fixing it in MHworld post release

[jovial bane]

hilariously enough they did cave in with limitation in MH Wilds

still has some really stupid ones, but it's a bit easier this time around

[twilit mountain]

The cutscene bullshit did make me quit lmao
All I want to do is go off and hunt giant monsters with my friends. I do not care about the story or the cutscenes, leave me alone Capcom!

[desert jasper]

Yeah, Rise too

[desert jasper]

I feel that

[junior oyster]

Games with unskippable scenes make me just straight up quit

[maiden widget]

i get flashbacks to BL3 unskippable dialogues/audio tapes

random edgy blabbering while i just want to kill stuff

woo

[desert jasper]

Kinda hated BL3

[junior oyster]

Might be wrong here but when D3 first came out you couldn't skip the cutscenes

[twilit mountain]

I have to play every BL game with dialogue turned off because it's that irritating to me

[junior oyster]

Idk why but I read it as BG3 xD

[desert jasper]

Never played that one

[maiden widget]

replaying bl1 made me realize that the "humor" got worse with every game until 3 then i just stopped trying

[desert jasper]

Yeah
in BL2 you can see it's just a lot of quirky lines from reddit
and gets worse in 3

[twilit mountain]

I've been saying this for ages but I'm also met with backlash of "no no it's actually really funny you just don't get it!"

[desert jasper]

(it wasn't funny)

The amount of "Bullet to the knee" jokes said by npcs
"bonerfarts" and so on

Come on

[twilit mountain]

*always not also, sorry I'm talking to someone outloud so my brain is struglging to type

[desert jasper]

I get that
Tbh I read it as "always" instead of also

[twilit mountain]

The worst crime the writers have ever done is with Wonderlands tbqh. They made a game that has an actually sad and meaningful message to it, but they couldn't stop themselves from lathering it in the same annoying style of "comedy" as every other entry. Which I suppose was doomed to happen from the start because it centers around the character whose entire, well, character is that humor.

[desert jasper]

Was wonderlands the Tiny Tina one?

[twilit mountain]

Yeah

[desert jasper]

Yeaaa

[jovial bane]

I don't care much about unskipable cutscenes, because I very rarely skip them. Dialogues however ? I do like to skip the lines once I read them

[junior oyster]

I mean after a first playthrough

Or especially in games where you lose to a boss and have to restart the boss fight and have to go through the cutscene again lol

It's less common now but I think I remember that happening in one of the castlevania games

[twilit mountain]

The final fight of LoH has an unskippable cutscene between phases and I know this because I died several times trying to fix a bug where the lack of a loading screen after that cutscene caused the arena to not load in for me (I eventually figured out forcing a load screen by portaling out and back in would fix it)

[abstract karma]

Endurance of legendary

My soul cry insane from unskipable cutscenes exactly before fight bosses or events where you can't save in middle of fight or something and you need listen that thing over and over and over and............ ugh

[maiden widget]

i just blame randy pitchfork for that

seems like the boss that'd love to insert dumb jokes into writers work just cos he can

[desert jasper]

I'm sure that is the case, yeah

[warped wren]

no "kinda" about it for me

garbage game

well, garbage VA and plot and story and worldbuilding and characters to be precise

great gunplay, great skill trees

not that BL1/BL2 are any high bar for writing or plot or anything, but somehow BL3 is outright gratingly obnoxious

[sand wigeon]

the best part of bl3 is rhys and zero because they're both developed in a much better game (tales from the borderlands)

[warped wren]

big Zer0 fanboy here

love that character

one of the most unique I've come across

[sand wigeon]

i find it rly funny that he's played as an edgy cool guy assassin initially and it turns out he's just implied to be gay and likes haiku's

[warped wren]

his faceplate changing display to express his haikus is chef's kiss

[sand wigeon]

wrench and zero always reminded me of each other

[jovial bane]

oh yeah, that's a fair game

[mental talon]

@junior oyster When are we doing multiplayer.

[junior oyster]

Maybe on monday? bank holiday for me for me

[mental talon]

Sure

[warped wren]

I got STS 1 on sale the other day, my first time trying a deck builder (other than Marvel SNAP I guess)

and uhhh yeah I accidentally played for an hour and a half last night

[junior oyster]

If you think sts1 is good wait till you play sts2 even if it's in ea

[warped wren]

it's ABSURDLY addictive I'll say that

I used to think bullet hells were addictive

this thing is next level

[junior oyster]

It's only rookie numbers but this is my time spent in sts1

Compare that to my most played game aka poe1 on steam xD

[sand wigeon]

there are definitely better deck building roguelikes out there

but sts is popular for a reason

[junior oyster]

I have played a few (monster train (1 and 2), blood card, roguebook and tainted grail). Personally I haven't found a roguelike deckbuilder that is as good as if not better than sts1.

[sand wigeon]

griftlands is the one i was referencing

[junior oyster]

Not disagreeing with you though. I think sts1 has hit the right spot for most people

[sand wigeon]

i haven’t played any of those

[junior oyster]

And yes I'm aware sts 'stole' from previous games uhh I forgot the names of

[maiden widget]

couldnt get into griftlands at all

[junior oyster]

I saw Baalorlord play it I think. And yea same

This applies to many other roguelikes he has played too

Like ftl

[sand wigeon]

why?

i think sts is just an accessible start to the genre

especially since it’s pretty easy

there’s better rogues out there for sure, but you can’t rly go wrong with sts

[maiden widget]

felt extremely slow and handholdy in the first run

enjoyed mt1 a lot more than that and STS

[sand wigeon]

the first run is for story

also you can just turn tutorials off

i think the best rogue games on the market rn are gungeon, curse of the dead gods and noita, in no real order

crypt of the necrodancer is up there somewhere too

oh, and rabbit and steel

[mental talon]

Yeah one of if not my favorite deck builder. I've tried others but nothing ever scratched the StS 1 itch for me. Until StS 2.

[junior oyster]

I can't tell if this is about griftlands or sts1 but I'm gunna assume you are talking about sts1 here based on your comment below

I too enjoyed mt1 but similar to sts2, mt2 is a very awesome experience too

[maiden widget]

nope was about griftlands

STS1 was fine but it felt a bit repetitve to me, MT1 has more whacky/escalating stuff which is more fun to me

[junior oyster]

I like mt2 (and sometimes mt1) for those quick but fun runs but sts 2 (and sometimes sts1) for the more intense runs

Also one feature I love about mt2 is the restart turn feature

[maiden widget]

yeah that one is nice, i just really miss the combione 2 random creatures thing

[junior oyster]

Honestly I don't

I miss the free upgrades though lol

Glimmer with piercing went hard

[jovial bane]

I liked my first two runs of Griftlands, but I think replayability sucked

It did not click for me, shame because I love Klei games

For me Monster Train was the best deckbuilder

[junior oyster]

Do you like mt2?

[jovial bane]

it's awesome, I should buy it instead of trying the obviously great game in gamepass lol

[junior oyster]

Yes you should

[maiden widget]

personally MT1 > MT2, couldnt get into the second as much

[junior oyster]

It's better on steam than xbox imo

[maiden widget]

But i think i'm more of a deckbuilder tourist anyway

[junior oyster]

I didn't like the corniness of mt2 for sure though

[jovial bane]

thankfully all the clans from the first game are in the second one

but yeah, it was a bit too corny

[maiden widget]

sub 100h in sts1, mt1 and sub 20h in mt2

so i held back with sts2

[junior oyster]

They look like weaklings compared to mt1 clans lol

MT1

MT2

[maiden widget]

the vamp survivors deckbuilder also didnt click at all for me

weird mix of being extremely simple but kinda requiring more attention than i want to give it while not giving a lot of strategies

[desert jasper]

For some reason monster train 1 doesn't work for me unless I force it windowed
other than that it's just a black screen

[maiden widget]

sounds funky

[desert jasper]

A little funky, you could say that

It also took me quite a while to figure it out

[warped wren]

God how is this game so good

damn

I have to yank myself away from it

[junior oyster]

It's one of my go to games when I'm bored or don't have a lot of time

Although these days it feels like all my energy has been drained (after work) so I don't get to play anything that often

[warped wren]

Holy hell I can buy this on mobile too??

[junior oyster]

Yes

[warped wren]

Insane

[junior oyster]

Please feel free to post sts1 runs btw. No spoilers needed. Win or loss I want to see how you react to different stuff lol

[warped wren]

I'm currently on my 2nd run ever, with the Silent character I unlocked earlier

But I gotta work now so I'll resume it later

Made it to 3rd area

[twilit mountain]

Silent's so hot cool

[warped wren]

the amount of cards I can have active and play every turn is kinda wild

especially compared to Ironclad, though that was strong in a different way with the giga block

[twilit mountain]

STS is pretty cool. I wish I was more interested in that style of game :P

[warped wren]

it just feels so... engaging but chill at the same time, I don't know how else to describe it

like chess, but snazzier

[twilit mountain]

We have that it's called shogi /s

[warped wren]

thanks for mentioning that and making me Google what it is

[junior oyster]

It rewards you for your micro and macro decisions

[warped wren]

because what

[twilit mountain]

Wait you've never heard of shogi before?

[warped wren]

nope

[twilit mountain]

Huh. I'm a bit surprised.

[warped wren]

I know chess, checkers, mahjong, and go, in that category of games

[junior oyster]

I know ludo 🤣

[warped wren]

the iconic GOAT

[twilit mountain]

Fair enough. Am a go fan, though I suck.

[warped wren]

man it's such a shame how little we learn of our own culture...

I had no idea about any of this

[twilit mountain]

Unrelated; any D4 gamers needing high tier gems go farm Seer's Reach, boss drops royal gems

[warped wren]

well I knew about shatranj but I had no idea shatranj itself was derived from a more ancient Indian board game

[twilit mountain]

I really like board games, I'm just terrible at them lol

[junior oyster]

I might quit d4 soon but thanks for the heads up

[warped wren]

I used to love playing stuff like Cluedo, Pictionary, the Game of Life, Scrabble, and ofc Ludo occasionally

[junior oyster]

The only boardgame I've enjoyed currently is sts

[warped wren]

was ok at chess too, for a time

[junior oyster]

It was fun playing with others

[warped wren]

local high school level

[twilit mountain]

Np. Gear chase is kinda rough right now, I'm at T4 and having to farm pretty hard for each piece.

[junior oyster]

I haven't even hit 70 yet

[mental talon]

Yep it's my go to travel tool

[warped wren]

I will probably buy it soon

on mobile I mean

[junior oyster]

I either play sts or vs on mobile

[warped wren]

this is a perfect mobile game

[twilit mountain]

Ahh. I'm paragon 101 xdd

[junior oyster]

Lol

Are you enjoying the war table thing btw?

[twilit mountain]

Yes! A lot actually, barring Helltide because my laptop struggles with Helltide

[twilit mountain]

Gods have mercy that's some gnarly gloves @junior oyster

[warped wren]

got to 3rd area boss but died

[twilit mountain]

Rolled Willpower to attack speed, masterworked crit chance, slammed multiplicative shadow damage

Will need to make new ones eventually but for now these are giga

[warped wren]

When edgelord is insufficient, we need edgemaster

[mental talon]

Birdnerd, my GOAT.

[warped wren]

I guess reaching 3rd area boss for my 2nd run ever is decent

[twilit mountain]

Yeah, aspect names are funny. That one is just okay for now, mild damage buff. I'll get a new pair of solid ancestral gloves eventually, gotta keep leveling war plans to get the high tier shit to show up more often

[warped wren]

I heard that they actually made item drops sufficiently scarce now

so that itemization is more meaningful

[twilit mountain]

Legendary and up is more rare until pretty high torment, ancestral is pretty hard to get (I have found 4 so far). Uniques are almost entirely farmed from bosses. Mythics aren't too bad once you have high war plan levels.
What really makes itemization more meaningful is crafting is a real thing now, and uniques no longer have set stats so farming them actually matters past the first drop. On top of this, sets exist in the form of charms and you can get unique item powers on (non-set) charms too.
Further still, a lot of additive damage sources have been removed and a lot of filler affixes have been reworked so it's more important to actually target the stats you want and use, combined with a loot filter it makes farming feel more rewarding.

[warped wren]

man, imagine if they'd led with this

[twilit mountain]

Would've been interesting to see reception had they done so yeah

[warped wren]

randomly looked at STS2 on Steam and chanced upon this absolute gem:

[placid yarrow]

Put nozdormu in the game

but like make it cut your turn short instead of making you skip your opponents turn lul

[sand wigeon]

note: in sts1 there is also an enemy intended to counter infinite's

ppl see this as a challenge to overcome lol

[warped wren]

kinda crazy that DRG Survivor got a paid expansion as an update...

guess the greed finally pushing through at Coffee Stain

how'd THAT happen...

[desert jasper]

They what now?

[jovial bane]

hmm, a class, biome and mission type for JESUS 10 euro/USD

I thought it was slightly overpriced at 7, but it was just currency conversion .__.

[desert jasper]

[maiden widget]

damn seems quite a bit too expensive

[jovial bane]

I think at 5$ it would be fine-ish, but it's definitely the opposite of what their team got us used to

[junior oyster]

New poe trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-UG3642raQ

[desert jasper]

... 15 years ago?

[junior oyster]

Yea youtube recommended it to me now lol

[desert jasper]

yeah, I guess that's new

[placid yarrow]

I'm gonna go on a biblical loss streak soon I can feel it lmao

[desert jasper]

Summoning the worst possible teammates in your next 40 games

[placid yarrow]

Every Yin has a Yang

[junior oyster]

Bruh really?

Oh I didn't need to complete it all to unlock rank 2

[twilit mountain]

Nope. Only need to do the capstone missions (ones on the side) to unlock next rank.

[vagrant topaz]

Pantheon top otp 👀

Would not have guessed

[placid yarrow]

What do you think would be more fitting? :p

[jovial bane]

I hated that matchup, but it's probably bearable after his rework XD

old Pantheon matchup was so annoying, either he runs OOM or you out of HP first

[placid yarrow]

I mean it's much the same, I take double mana runes for a reason :P

But at least it's not point and click anymore

[jovial bane]

yeah, you can dodge it

before what was annoying was the inevitability of it xD

not that I can complain

I've played liked of Fiora and Aatrox top, used to play Teemo as well, but alas riot killed the Manmo build

Most fun I had was with Akali post her rework, but riot decided to nerf her and dumb her down sadly

"oh no, if you manage to utilise your passive correctly and trigger multiple times she deals too much damage, let's nerf it"

"oh no, she has no damage. Let's increase her E scaling from like 30% to 120%"

[placid yarrow]

Yeah the E doing like half her damage I'll never understand

[jovial bane]

I think she was way more fun when her passive granted her a lot of movement speed, and you could do hit and run tactics

It was so fun, but alas

[placid yarrow]

I mean it was fun to play but it was absolutely horrendous to play against tbf

[jovial bane]

now it's binary: you either hit your E and mog the enemy, or you miss it and do nothing

Manmo was fun when he briefly worked as well, basically Teemo but does not stack AP and the likes of Nashor's

[placid yarrow]

Thankfully panth wrecks teemo

[jovial bane]

nono, he grabs Blade of the Ruined king and goes full tank

[placid yarrow]

and not many people play him since he's purposefully kept kinda weak

[jovial bane]

it was hilarious to see the likes of Tryndamere trying to bonk me, then he realises I have thornmail and he deals no damage

and later on trying to run away from me, and I permaslowed him with Frozen Mallet

[placid yarrow]

I miss frozen mallet ngl

[jovial bane]

if I picked Teemo and seen Pantheon as my matchup, I'd try to force "manmo build"

literally grab armor as my first item, then try to bring some on hit damage

[placid yarrow]

your only choice is to try and farm under tower tbh

[jovial bane]

because he will delete me without those

yep

post 6 I can try to zone him a bit with well placed mushrooms

but that's about it, you need HP and armor to survive Pantheon

[placid yarrow]

yeah if you can survive the combo you can try kiting him, honestly I think rylai's would be a great purchase so your e slows him

[jovial bane]

actually yeah, Rylai and Abyssal were classic

and both grant HP

[placid yarrow]

otherwise he'll just run away with e

panth e is a bigger move speed stim than teemo w

[jovial bane]

I probably would skip Zhonya's, it's not enough armor

outright grab a tank armor item

[placid yarrow]

yea zhonyas is worthless