📚┃off-topic

[lofty wren]

I truly love this game but I don't have a lot of hope for the future because they simply can't get out of their own way nor can they create content fast enough for a seasonal game.

[maiden widget]

even that is weird considering some issues exist forever now

[twilit mountain]

1.0 patch for example the CT found how broken Falconer was within 2 days, and warned EHG of it for upwards of 5 months. No changes.

[maiden widget]

there are still things that completely break dungeons and bosses there

[twilit mountain]

That remained the same way for three seasons

[fleet ravine]

I would cite the (in)famous warhammer gate bug that exists within their game engine and has existed since 2013 to this date.

[lofty wren]

falconer still oneshots uber btw

[twilit mountain]

It sure does!

[sand wigeon]

i'm convinced they include and keep around broken things because the idea of playing the "new, broken thing" is the only thing making player's come back

and then when that class is popular because of the broken thing they go "oh, they like it, no need to change it"

[fleet ravine]

I've been with PoE for a decade and they aren't doing anything different over there in this regard.

[sand wigeon]

without considering the health of the game or the why

[maiden widget]

new bugs just from this patch:

• fire aura randomly stops working in SP and i need to restart the client to fix it
• temporal sanctum respawn after death doesnt work, i cant use the time jump anymore so its just a dead run

[sand wigeon]

they are tho

[lofty wren]

runemaster and warlock had their time in the sun then got brought in line fairly quickly. falconer? still ridiculously broken.

[sand wigeon]

there are many ways to engage with poe that isn't just mapping

[twilit mountain]

I do shit talk PoE balance constantly, but the game is still outright better than LE with zero contest.

[lofty wren]

PoE balance is dogwater. But for me the main issue in that game is how stale the skill meta is rn.

LE has the same issue tho

[fleet ravine]

Key difference: PoE has how many seasons worth of changes and balancing and ajustments? At a rate of once every 3 months? LE is in season 4, version 1.4 was it or 1.5? Regardless, it has not gotten the same amount of time to actually grow that far.

[maiden widget]

poe at least does little shakeups this game still feels the same for the last 2y

[lofty wren]

skill meta is the least of my worries with this game atm, the biggest problem is how bad gear progression feels with imprints basically dead for exalts

[twilit mountain]

LE has existed on Steam alone for 7 years

[fleet ravine]

PoE has the same system of broken: look at traps and mines. It's not character based, but it is still specific. We have rogue/falconer here, same deal.
PoE routinely nerfs popular builds into useless territory the season after those popular builds got buffs to make them appealing to play again.
Try as I might I can't escape the similarities, while their forms may differ.

[twilit mountain]

Gear progression feels bad because items are simple as hell and every build boils down to shoving in as much LP as possible.

[twilit mountain]

Traps and mines are utter dogshit right now what are you on

[fleet ravine]

Did they finally succeed in that? Been a good decade of them being mainstay.

[twilit mountain]

There is ONE trap build that does anything and it's boss exclusive

[maiden widget]

poe still does rotate things out faster

[lofty wren]

mines are miserable to use outside of bossing content

[twilit mountain]

Traps have been one of the worst build types in the game for six years

[lofty wren]

the lack of recovery rly makes me hate the archetype for any mapping content

[sand wigeon]

i remember when we first met, you were playing a trap build in poe lol

[twilit mountain]

Mines have been in a miserable state since Hexblast got dumpstered

[twilit mountain]

And it was probably the worst build I have ever made purely because the concept was funny

[fleet ravine]

Because, I mean... Last I played PoE1, it was 2 builds that were traps and mines... that cleared ubers... It was a sort of last hurrah for me to give them a go after years of hearing about them and yeah... I quit PoE1 after Settlers, mind.

[sand wigeon]

yeah that tracks

[twilit mountain]

Brother Settlers meta was Lightning Strike

[maiden widget]

yeah even in settlers nobody really played traps and mines

thats way way before that time

[fleet ravine]

<- enjoys off-meta builds that still clear everything.

[lofty wren]

lightning strike my beloved

[maiden widget]

then your argument is worse?

if your off meta still can do anything balance isnt that whack

[twilit mountain]

Like. I played the last GOOD all arounder trap build and that was even before AFFLICTION. And it requires a Nimis. Traps are doing terribly.

[sand wigeon]

especially since arpg's aren't very skill based

[fleet ravine]

Meanwhile, the selection of builds that actually can is about as limited as LE's

[sand wigeon]

outside of the build, i mean

[twilit mountain]

No????

[desert jasper]

I've only used lightning strike like once or so
and that was back in like 2015

[maiden widget]

not really no

you literally said the opposite

[sand wigeon]

there's not a ton of mechanical skill that can make up for bad strategy

[twilit mountain]

I beat ubers this league on FLICKER SLAYER

[lofty wren]

ubers aren't really challenging content anymore

[fleet ravine]

Sure. Now how many builds are there out there that can do the same at the same time?

[twilit mountain]

Many

[fleet ravine]

How many?

[maiden widget]

way more % wise than in LE

[fleet ravine]

And by the way: flicker. Never was a bad skill

[lofty wren]

juiced mapping is harder than any uber could dream of being

[fleet ravine]

That I concede to.

[sand wigeon]

"concede to" this isn't debate hall dude lol

[twilit mountain]

Blade Vortex, Lightning Strike (yes still), Righteous Fire, Kinetic Fusillade, Flicker, Spectres, Animate Guardian of Smiting, Kinetic Blast, Lightning Arrow, Ice Shot, Elemental Hit (both of them), CYCLONE, Spark, Penance Brand, Detonate Dead, Viper Strike, Molten Strike, Ground Slam, Forbidden Rite, Holy Relic, Exsanguinate, LACERATE, ETHEREAL KNIVES, ABSOLUTION, STATIC STRIKE, VENOM GYRE, and this is just a FRACTION of the builds that can clear ubers right now in under 30 seconds.

[fleet ravine]

If I'm to walk away with the understanding that I was wrong, I better have my new facts straight 🙂

[lofty wren]

I really wish you could juice monoliths tbh, it'd be sick to have like 10+ roaming beasts and such

[twilit mountain]

I've watched people down ubers on SHIELD CHARGE this league

Like c'mon

[fleet ravine]

Well, sounds like they have gone to town on diluting the game since I stopped.

[sand wigeon]

i think you just don't know what you're talking about tbh

[sand wigeon]

flicker is one of the most expensive skills to run and it can't boss

if i have to invest mirrors to make a skill good the skill isn't good

it's just fun

[fleet ravine]

Who knows? I did lose contact with the game utterly since I simply quit. And I quit because the ratio of my finding value in playing that title vs my reluctance to go back to it just tipped the other way. Try as I might, I still can't exactly piece together the value of that product today, when the same idea has been done better elsewhere, for what it's worth.

[sand wigeon]

ok

[desert jasper]

Yeaa flicker is risky
could just jump to beams or dot pool or whatever

Anyway, think I'm done with the poe league now that I hit 36 challenges

The armor looks mostly good
The helmet is whatever

[twilit mountain]

Well done :)

[sand wigeon]

can you post it?

i haven't seen this league's

[desert jasper]

All 3 versions

[sand wigeon]

interesting

[maiden widget]

ogod

[fierce moth]

Just join the self-portrait club.

🤔 I wonder what happen if these loot-based ARPG can take self-portrait too

[mental talon]

I've been at 35/40 for way too long but I should probably stop being lazy because I know it's probably some trivial garbage I'm missing

Hello Off Topic don't mind me I was just Slaying The Spire 2 for a little bit

[junior oyster]

Nothing and frankly I don't care

[jovial bane]

The doomer in me starts to think aRPGs is a dead, or cursed genre with maybe one game that qualifies as good

Slay the Spire 2 is great though

[desert jasper]

Tbh I was gonna go for the 8k map tiers at first
but then I realized I'd rather just try the challenge with different invitations as rare with at least 4 mods
The only one I died in was Feared once but only after I already managed to kill Sirus and Elder

I have to say I really don't like getting the memory bosses for the invitation
having to go through like 4-5 maps before you get to that boss

while all others you can just run that 1 map

[jovial bane]

On the brighter side I've started playing Stoneshard and Total Warhammer 3 again

It devours my time, but it's also suffering xc

[desert jasper]

Tbh I'm not sure what I'll play now that I'm done with the poe league
maybe some vermintide 2

[jovial bane]

sounds good

[fierce moth]

I still on the way of unlocking more portals

Can't go for a walk with long distance and wide range like that in real world so I do that in game

[warped wren]

Just scrolled a few pages and idk why people try to talk about shit they clearly have zero idea about AT ALL

Like just say "I don't know" and move on man

[warped wren]

I am doing some delve side by side as I do challenges lol

I wanna see what 1k+ is like

I did 4 simus yesterday for the challenge and got 2 Voices and 4 megalos free 20d

[desert jasper]

I did some delve too yeah
I was considering maybe just doing some heisting now that I'm done with the league
buut... yeah

[warped wren]

I didn't know it till I started but even the most random fossil is like 10-12c per rn

[desert jasper]

Ikr
It's great money

[fierce moth]

Never read what cyberpunk is until watching blade runner 2049 🤔

[desert jasper]

And then I got3 of those abyss socket jewels in same screen
they're like 300c each or something like that

[warped wren]

Yeah I got 3 sanctified yesterday in a stack

But I'm still low depth, like 200

[desert jasper]

Tbh I only made it to like 300ish, maybe 350 before I stopped delving

[warped wren]

It's a bit of a patience test it feels like

I think it'd ironically be a lot easier to do it on leaguestart

[warped wren]

You can do leaguestart-able versions now, but yeah it's never gonna be a good bosser without solid currency poured in

I was actually gonna start Flicker last league before I ended up going Mamba instead

[twilit mountain]

Having played league start Flicker variants, they're still awful. Just play a normal ass build instead.

[warped wren]

Yeah I mean, if you're a flicker lover 😅

Like me with champ

Though at least I've finally found a build where the answer isn't "wHy NoT sLaYeR iNsTeAd"

[fierce moth]

lol I understand why I feel the key don't place on the map now. It's floating.

[junior oyster]

StS2 spoilers but this was some run

Carried by a certain X cost card and some useful necro power

Alright I'm glad they simplified StS1 lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHRpS2DzIAI

🤣

[mental talon]

Fane there you are. Bro I had such a sick ass run let me link you mine.

@junior oyster That extra energy Relic is just like all upside got a few Clad cards and Defect cards and had a pseudo-infinite because of it.

[junior oyster]

Nice

Only thing better would probably have been hellraiser xD

I'm still climbing with regent

[jovial bane]

4 armies of Skaven attacking me, autoresolve would go insanely bad. I load the map and see free win lmao

[junior oyster]

I love stealing xD

[fierce moth]

........ Hey linkedin, let me learn unreal engine at first, then let me think what can I sculpt, don't remind me of that until 2028, thanks.

Have been unsubscribe that alert already but it's not worked

[placid yarrow]

Contemplating starting a new Anno 1800 run now that I kinda know how the game works lol

It's really hard to plan ahead when you have no clue what's up ahead, who knew x)

[fierce moth]

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0898288/?ref_=tt_ov_1_1

Maybe I know who's the 1st film director I like because of their works.

Done 3 of them, the last one is very enjoyable though... Holy, 2h30mins+... 1h43mins I watched

[abstract karma]

Blade runner good, Arrival idk that
Dune though.. I dont know it's like Hunger games - interesting to watch at start but do i enjoy plot behind this world/lore ? Probably not

[jovial bane]

Dune was great

[solemn harness]

I did not enjoy Dune, ngl; excellent presentation, not a fan of the story or characters

big fan of Blade Runner though

[desert jasper]

Haven't seen any of those ones

[fierce moth]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2574970/Crystalfall/
A new loot-based ARPG which doomed by dead server on the first day of ea 😂

Familiar drama.

[warped wren]

Dune is probably the best and most faithful book-to-movie castings in the history of mainstream cinema

Mad respect for Villeneuve

[junior oyster]

I mean launching EA with very expensive in-game shop is wild

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i dont think ive seen an EA game witht hose ratings

[jovial bane]

overwhelmingly negative ? yeesh

Of course, the item shop prices (~15 USD for a single inventory tab?!)
OOF

oh great, if steam reviews are to be believed they even want to add blockchain

[abstract karma]

Eversince players noticed that their reviews "somehow" works they started abuse it..

[desert jasper]

Easy

Only took like
30keys this time

[jovial bane]

A lot of the times ? Sure, but not this example

[abstract karma]

probably not, never say so.. What works on poe or similar ones wont work on fresh ones at start.. At least not with bizzare prices

but in case of Crimson desert it was quite annoying to see

[maiden widget]

2020 called and wants its bubble back

[jovial bane]

[maiden widget]

kinda crazy they go for arpgs/mmos now

guess normal mmo combat isnt that popular anymore?

[abstract karma]

classic tab target just didnt evolve.. while others gernes so-so yes..

but its not reason why mmorpg with themepark design perish and are not popular so much anymore

it's that shift to simplicity, dark patterns abusing, annoying ads in middle of gaming
But mostly pacing of gameplay progression..

So example between Old Maplestory and Current Maplestory (probably biggest one behind Wow (?))

[fierce moth]

I prefer to pay the game directly instead of free to play but everything need to pay

[abstract karma]

i wouldnt have problem to pay monthly or every dlc here or there but these days it's not enough (or not enough for company which runs such mmo)

[desert jasper]

Anyway, gambled like 140 divs in keys
The mageblood was the only good result
Also gave away 60 divs to some random in global who had started his league late

[twilit mountain]

Not on the Steam version of the game, block chain is banned on Steam

[jovial bane]

thank Gaben fro that

[junior oyster]

@mental talon finally done with regent and damn was this run good lol

[mental talon]

GG

[desert jasper]

Thankfully

[junior oyster]

Cheese is the way to win

Next time to run as Necro. Can't lie I'm not the biggest fan of her lol

[fierce moth]

lol anyways, I can't afford that. Back to days that be interrupt by ads soon

[junior oyster]

Firefox + ublock + sponsorblock

You are welcome

[fierce moth]

Youtube asked me to stop my ad blocker before. It told me I can't access youtube if I don't allow it to play ads. You never meet this thing?

[jovial bane]

I did, but ublock bypassed it with a quick adjustment

and google knows it's a losing battle, that's why they wanted to restrict what ublock could do with their chromium update

[fierce moth]

✅ My free trial have 5 days left. Let's see will it work. I follow Fane if youtube traced that again

[junior oyster]

Open the video in private mode

Is this on mobile?

Also make sure to cancel your payment for the free trial if you haven't done so already

[junior oyster]

And this

After a few days they update ublock which bypasses googles trash

[junior oyster]

It's a losing battle for us too if firefox dies

Other non-chromium browsers aren't as popular sadly

Also Kirra for mobile if you are on android you can do the same thing with firefox

And for apple I heard it's edge browser with ublock lite or something

[fierce moth]

I use youtube app on mobile directly, it's why I will attracted by youtube premium... But I don't listen music on mobile now

the audio from laptop is much better than my phone when I want to listen music to sleep

[junior oyster]

I use youtube on mobile but on firefox

I deleted/uninstalled the youtube app ages ago

No ads

[fierce moth]

you're genius

I never imagine I can use youtube on browser + ad blocker on mobile

[junior oyster]

I'm not a genius but as long as it saves you money then I'm happy

[desert jasper]

I just use Brave browser on mobile for youtube
Also has the nice option to let youtube vids play while the browser isn't the active window

[fierce moth]

Done blade runner 2049, not sure I understand the story...

A comment I saw:
Three periods everyone will experience.
The first one, believe myself is the genius, I can do everything;
The second one, I'm not the special one, I can't do everything;
The third one, I can't do everything, but I can do my best.

How to connect that with the movie?

[abstract karma]

Lore of blade runner is more than these movies unfortunetly.. IF you want all dots to join properly i would say you need to search rest

[fierce moth]

hhhhh...?! Oh man. The beginning of blade runner scared me lol

Raining is the must-do element for cyberpunk scenes?

it's raining again

[jovial bane]

In cyberpunk as a genre ? no
In cyberpunk in style of Blade Runner ? yes

[fierce moth]

lol what, I even heard Cantonese in blade runner!?

This movie is quite surreal 🤔

lol familiar accent.

[real kayak]

he thought he was the first synth baby, Harrison Ford's characters son. but he wasn't.

[fierce moth]

yes.

Anna is lucky

[real kayak]

watch Arrival next

same director

[fierce moth]

You watch?

[real kayak]

I've seen all his movies

[fierce moth]

Oh. My comment is here.

[real kayak]

oh k glad youve seen it lol

prisoners is great too

I like Paul Dano

[fierce moth]

🤔

[fierce moth]

Not idea what dark fantasy mean for EHG or GGG or any game studios, but it's the term I can think match this scene the most 🤔

[jovial bane]

typically it means fantasy with Gothic Horror elements

[warped wren]

Getting an MB out of 140d of keys is crazy lucky lol

I got tossed a bunch of Valdos from some friends who've quit so I'll be testing them out

[fierce moth]

hah blade runner is quite interesting. Watched 58mins so far, first time to persist in watching a 80s movie

[fierce moth]

hhhhhh I see someone who have much more followers than Otto finally.

These senior guys are insane on connections

Go back to that film director, I like the feature that all deadly moments are quiet.

The death is asphyxial.

[fierce moth]

🤔 Thanks, appreciated that so much.

Make sense on why she's hired by EHG. https://www.artstation.com/camykazee

The answer is around me already...

Everyone must impressed by the gothic carriage she made :)

Gothic architectures... The best architecture type to test skills indeed

Lots of interesting sculpting and complex patterns :P

I heard dark fantasy Orchestral music all the time but I don't know what dark fantasy mean for graphics. Sounds funny.

The more funny thing is I don't feel any flavour about "dark fantasy" in le.

😂 😂 😂 ...

Such a fun night. Done a movie, thought the life, solved a puzzle.

[desert jasper]

got it by like 30? keys so a bit over 60divs

[warped wren]

Absolutely unethical

[desert jasper]

Still not as good as last league first one I opened
I remember jokingly saying to myself "Maybe it's a MB"
and it was

[warped wren]

@desert jasper I think your RNG rubbed off on me

2nd crater of the league

[placid yarrow]

Man either these scenarios aren't easy or I just still suck at the game (I think it's both)

[placid yarrow]

damn I just barely made it

I barely couldn't make one early on so I couldn't get silver but there was literally no shot in hell I was ever getting gold

Made some awful choices in the scenarios though so I think it'd be a lot easier a second time around

[fierce moth]

A bit off-topic, just want to say these're quite valuable especially in China because China in 60-70s... Extreme poor so Chinese can't keep so many black-white photos like that

I guess an industry in US & EU is based on these old photos... It's fixing them

[placid yarrow]

This working on sewing machine factories is actual insanity lmao

This guy just lets you skip so much work

[fleet ravine]

Anno doing anno things, but I admit, 1800 went an threw all the interesting mechanics in and went to town with them.
I went back to timberborn for the weekend and I am set on trying to play Oxygen not Included again. Curious if I can beat my ADHD long enough to spend the hundreds of hours planning, plotting, building up, expanding into the liquid hydrogen setup again this life.

[placid yarrow]

Yeah the grand gallery stuff can make some of the early game a joke in comparison to playing without it especially when you're a noob like me lmao, I just did one of the scenarios and unlocked a couple things from it before starting a new run and it's night and day

like for example instead of needing bell peppers, beef and a goulash factory you can replace the goulash with just straight up pigs in the canned food factory

you just skip 3 steps of the chain

and the fact that this guy gives me advanced weapons and steam engines, both things that require extensive production chains and electricity, before I even have engineers is crazy x)

electricity is nowhere in sight lmao

[desert jasper]

gg

[fierce moth]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Satisfyingasfuck/s/cF5vUfiWcu
Yiyimamo, yiyimamo, yiyimamo!
Happy moment.

[placid yarrow]

SHEEEEEEEEEEESH

Too bad I got her just as I finished the new world expedition

legit only reason I did it was for cotton

[fierce moth]

Coconut & matcha ice cream from IKEA is yummy

But it's not half-half, coconut one is much more

Anyways, I know how coconut ice cream taste now

[jovial bane]

HOLY

[placid yarrow]

That's what I'm saying man, by the time I got engineers I can make an entire fleet lmao

I have 70 of each 4 hours in

[jovial bane]

I really love how massively powerful outputs you get once you hit engineers

Really shows how revolutionary industrial revolution was

[placid yarrow]

I have yet to get electricity running lmao

and I have like 3 battleships worth of materials

[jovial bane]

My drug was replacing all the crappy sailing ships from new world that got raided 24/7 with blimps

they were so fast ahh

[placid yarrow]

I'm not even focusing on it, I have a single factory

and it's just pumping them out

Because it's a 30 second cycle lmao

[jovial bane]

you dont really need them as much, and tbh that 50% bonus ? You probably want it for bicycles or sewing machines more

[placid yarrow]

I mean I'm just gonna put them all on it

[jovial bane]

well yeah

once you hit electricity you want all the factories grouped together anyway

so you can boost their production with both the union and the power plant

[placid yarrow]

yep

200% from electricity is giga

I got rekt on oil though

only 4 and no islands with oil that aren't taken as starting by others

so i'll have to import from new world

It's fine though 4 is enough for one plant

I'll just bumrush oil tankers and import

[jovial bane]

you could always buy the island or introduce them to some freedom

[placid yarrow]

I have like no military because I turned pirates off. I was playing with them on but having them respawn was way too annoying

I really feel like they should let you somehow kill them off for good

[jovial bane]

yes

[placid yarrow]

like with an expedition or something after defeating them normally

[jovial bane]

in new world I was just ignoring them with blimps later on

sometimes with battleships I naval blockaded them

but it's annoying

[placid yarrow]

yea but on my first run I was on the north west side of the old world (I hadn't played in years and forgot) so they just pestered the shit outta me and I had to have like 2 ships of the line escort every single trade ship

[jovial bane]

the anno experience

[placid yarrow]

I got so annoyed I decided to put everything on hold to kill them just to realize they come back and it felt so bad lmao. Like yeah you just park a few ships in their base and it kinda takes care of itself but it just felt so jank and weird having to do that tbh

[jovial bane]

a bit

[placid yarrow]

So I just decided to turn them off for this one, I don't feel like they provided much honestly

[jovial bane]

less janky than walling off the wild animal spawns with statues in Pharaoh

[placid yarrow]

at best they were an annoyance

[jovial bane]

but still quite janky

[placid yarrow]

posed no real danger, I was at war with both of them for like the entire first run and had no issues dealing with them power wise

[jovial bane]

ye, they don't bring that much to the game

[placid yarrow]

They feel like mosquitos basically

why would I want that

[jovial bane]

the only good thing about pirates I felt in this game was blimps

because I no longer had to deal with pirates

🤣

[placid yarrow]

Yea exactly

the only good thing about them is getting rid of them lmao

well, they did sometimes drop pretty sick loot ngl

but meh

[jovial bane]

more like bypass them in this case, but yeah

[placid yarrow]

you just randomly get 20 tons of gold bars from a gunboat

[jovial bane]

which later on is chump change meh

[placid yarrow]

true dat

was nice when I was trying to make watches tbf

but now I'm op and don't need to make them at all lmao

[jovial bane]

especially once you build the palace

which has upkeep of 5k

[placid yarrow]

I didn't realize you could buy items from the npc's

until like a couple hours ago

[jovial bane]

but then you click on the palace, and see this

+50 bonus income (affects artisan residences and engineer residences in range of connected universities, variety theatres, power plants, and banks;

[placid yarrow]

I also did the seasons of silver scenario which gave me some grand gallery tickets which you can get some insane stuff in

[jovial bane]

and once you enact it you are swimming in cash

[placid yarrow]

check out this bad boy

[jovial bane]

yummy

[placid yarrow]

I got him and the actor going from the beginning because they're grand gallery

it's just straight up cheating ngl

This one is arguably the biggest gamechanger though

lets you get to engineers without new world

[jovial bane]

btw palace has an act that further increases the productivity bonus from power plants

[placid yarrow]

oh lord

Yeah I had just barely gotten to investors in my last run

but it had gotten so messy and weird that I decided to restart because I had learned a lot

[jovial bane]

yeah, there is a lot of stuff that can be improved once you figure stuff out

[placid yarrow]

I'm basically already most of the way back where I was lmao

but instead of several days it only took like 4 hours

[jovial bane]

the only annoying thing I find with the new game is well

racing for the new world and cape

because there is that one huge island in the corner, and you really want it

[placid yarrow]

Yeah I already yoinked some good islands in both

but I'm still focusing on old world until I can get steam ships going

then I'll prob focus on expanding cape and new world and just have my old world as support

[jovial bane]

btw speaking of straight up cheating, hacienda is probably the most gamebreaking DLC for the new world

because you no longer have to import stuff from old world

[placid yarrow]

since I obviously wanna make my main city on cape

I mean there's also docklands

just buy anything lul

[jovial bane]

you can brew beer from corn using it, and all the farms are 64 tiles

[placid yarrow]

But that's only for old world tbf

yea it's bussin

[jovial bane]

Docklands is strong, but exchange rate makes it somewhat balanced

[placid yarrow]

Idk man you can kinda just brute force it honestly

[jovial bane]

64 tiles for farms on the other hand is so damn efficient

[placid yarrow]

the worst i've seen is like 12:1 but like it's planks for something crazy at that point

but yeah the fact it's not straight money makes it less crazy

Happy bois

[jovial bane]

mmm, and once they throw the festivals it's swimming in money

[placid yarrow]

Yeah I kinda got addicted to buying items so I'm selling soap lmao

I almost wanna do anbessa just to do the watch trade

infinite money

[jovial bane]

if you have "Land of the Lions" DLC watches are so lucrative

[placid yarrow]

yep

[jovial bane]

although I dislike the DLC itself despite being unique

[placid yarrow]

I haven't really gotten into it tbh

I was too busy with the other regions last run

[jovial bane]

found quests with finding stuff on the isles annoying, and the mechanic is

[placid yarrow]

I'm not a huge fan of the water mechanic tbh

[jovial bane]

it's two tiers of citizens, you sleep for the half of the tier 2 of citizens

[placid yarrow]

the fact you can't make fields cross the water lines sucks

[jovial bane]

you do the quests

ignore the rest of the stuff for citizens, suddenly game slaps you that you need the rest for tier 2 citizens

which is a bit annoying, those chains are a bit complex, but not too bad

and then the game is like congratulations, you've unlocked student exchange

which is like running into a brick wall 🤣

[placid yarrow]

I'm about to take 50 steam motors for an expedition fr lmao

I'll just bring them back anyway so it doesn't matter, just funny that i'm carrying a full stack of motors on a clipper x)

[jovial bane]

which hilariously enough are very helpful in some events

[placid yarrow]

Do you know if you can use fertility items cross region?

[jovial bane]

I think you cannot

[placid yarrow]

Makes sense

would be kinda crazy

Damn that's nasty

[ebon meadow]

@fierce moth new flavour for me pog

Going to be for tomorrow morning though to late to start on energy drinks today

[fierce moth]

Have a good viking! (What viking mean?...)

Oh. Congras to you become a viking soon!

I thought hiking

[ebon meadow]

Not that I m a Viking I m actually a Slav but how do u not know what is viking ?

I mean ur guys culture is massive but still .. lol

That's world history

They were the first "tourists" of humans lmao

[jovial bane]

finally figured out what I did wrong, it looks much better after darkening the whole figurine

[neon sigil]

That looks great!

[jovial bane]

thanks, Ive learned a bit about drybrushing when working with it xD

[placid yarrow]

Least annoying oil

[placid yarrow]

We got that one where I live recently too. pretty good

[ebon meadow]

Beer mission time going to try it after breakfast tomorrow

8pm is for calming drinks not caffeine

[placid yarrow]

Imagine having proper zoning

[sudden anchor]

Ublock was great, but recently randomly videos don't start to play for me.

[junior oyster]

Play the video in private mode

I don't get issues so far

[warped wren]

<@&1161418687471956101> spammer

[placid yarrow]

That's a new one lol

[placid yarrow]

What a performance frfr

Alright back to Anno, got my rank

[desert jasper]

Ah, new spam and I missed it? shame

[indigo shadow]

are you a zombie shooter? I would recommend They are Billions

[placid yarrow]

I've played it, great game

[indigo shadow]

My buddy game stream was so rad on TaB.

[desert jasper]

Somebody on poe forums saying that poe2 should have professions like you have in mmorpgs

What a terrible idea

[placid yarrow]

lmao

What would they even be

crafting could be one, but then what

map runner? x)

trader x)

forced group play

[junior oyster]

Poe2 should have paragon levels like in d3 but instead of being beneficial they make the game even harder. And you are forced to take the points

[indigo shadow]

Crafting?

They forgot how underused d3 crafting

[desert jasper]

He gave examples of: tailor that can only craft certain base items, rune carver, one that would adjust unique modifiers
"ideas may be billions"

[placid yarrow]

oh hell naw

[indigo shadow]

I can't think of other games that have better solution on crafting than le

[desert jasper]

That kind of shit doesn't work in seasonal game
keep it in mmorpgs

[indigo shadow]

Didn't diablo immorals works like that?

[junior oyster]

Poe

[indigo shadow]

And I'm going to put down this joint

[desert jasper]

I've no idea
never played Diablo immoral

[indigo shadow]

DI is laughable tbh. But for a pc port it was enjoyable

[desert jasper]

I replied that it'd just alienate arpg players & make it into mmorpg

his reply was "That's the point really."
I uhh... think he's gonna be very popular on the forums

[junior oyster]

Grim dawn is bringing in some improvements to the crafting iirc but not sure if it will make a difference

[indigo shadow]

I just don't want to use an Xbox controller for android

[placid yarrow]

hahahaha

[indigo shadow]

Oh yeah grim dawn

Grim dawn was more articulate than d3 crafting

[junior oyster]

Crafting in grim dawn is ok but honestly it is definitely not deterministic

[indigo shadow]

Anyone remember the last time you made a legendary item in d3? Except for followers trinket

[junior oyster]

Cube

[indigo shadow]

And expensive too

[desert jasper]

I'm just glad they gave GD crafting window search bar
holy hell it was a pain before that

[junior oyster]

Lol yea

And stash too

[indigo shadow]

Their biggest update since the slice of bread

[real charm]

After losing the lawsuit, it seems that Krafton is no longer appearing as Subnautica 2 devs

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Subnautica-2-developer-Unknown-Worlds-may-have-dropped-Krafton-as-publisher-on-Steam-Epic-and-Xbox.1273743.0.html

Either hiding themselves after the scam attempt or something even bigger happened

[sand wigeon]

great news!

[real charm]

Yeah, I am glad that Subnautica is free

Hyped for it now

for the ones that do not want to click, Krafton was at publishers before

[junior oyster]

A new survivors like game?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPlHBGYOCfQ

[hardy spindle]

<@&1161418687471956101> this user has been hacked and mass friending people i assume or is a bot based on username

[fleet ravine]

I would also consider @keen plank for this directly.

[rich bolt]

weigh hey and up she rises

[warped wren]

@desert jasper @mental talon it's done at last

2 locks already sacrificed trying to corrupt it, made a temporary ring while I farm for the 3rd

[mental talon]

Nice. I have my partial setup ready on the Jugg as well. 🤝

[warped wren]

ended up settling on lv 16 ruthless because I'm tired boss

😅

never doing this shit again lmao

[mental talon]

Counter point. Do it again next league

[desert jasper]

wtf is that thing

[warped wren]

A couple weeks of headaches

[desert jasper]

So what do you use it for?

[warped wren]

AG of Smiting

Xdd

[desert jasper]

Yeah, I thought that would be the case but wasn't sure
I was thinking of maybe doing a build with that but it seems that it needs way too much

[warped wren]

Flicker players also use something very similar but on Anarchic Spiritblade base

[warped wren]

If you do, unironically just farm a mirror and mirror one

It would probably be easier

[desert jasper]

Hah
Yeah it just seems way too high budget build for my liking

I guess you could play Bob with lower budget too, ofc

[warped wren]

Yeah, DireGray leaguestarted it afaik

On Necro

And pushed it to a pretty good extent

I just wanted to play a giga version of it and came across Nerotox's video

[desert jasper]

Yeah

[real charm]

so now that LE league kind of settled in and people had the chance to play, was it good? the reviews are mixed and it would be nice to hear some opinions

posting here since pics are not allowed in general

[maiden widget]

It's alright nothing groundbreaking no big balance changes

[vagrant topaz]

Corruption is fun
Omens are a nice change in the type of content they provide
New pinnacle boss is fun as a mid challenge (need a few more like this)

Overall I am enjoying the league
But the flaws that were there before are still here

[lofty wren]

Normal omens are disappointing
Balance is somehow even worse this season
Imprint nerf (deletion) made the gearing process way shorter for CoF and it feels bad effectively losing content
Corruption is a W but if we had to lose exalted imprinting for it then it becomes an L in my eyes
Echo chains are easily the best part of the update

[solemn harness]

I agree with all of this, with one exception: I think normal omens are good from a gameplay perspective, the experience is just.. soured by how horribly unrewarding they are 99% of the time

EHG leaned way too hard on corruption and corrupted items IMO

item crafting is literally one of the selling points of LE, so both nerfing player access to good exalts, and throwing mountains of pre-corrupted garbage at them, just feels bad IMO

[lofty wren]

Oh yeah I agree that the gameplay is fantastic, it's just ruined by how awful the rewards are

I played a lot of flame reave this season so it was very fun doing the mechanic until I got bored of how unrewarding it was

[solemn harness]

yeah, like it makes zero sense to design a fun mechanic and then say "by the way, you get nothing useful for doing this, it's not even good for exp/favor grinding"

[lofty wren]

it doesn't even give favor right? I think I remember seeing that

[solemn harness]

from what I understand the mobs themselves give zero exp/favor; they just randomly drop EXP tomes instead which give a tiny amount

I think you get a chunk of experience at the end, but it's really pathetic compared to basically any other activity you could do

[lofty wren]

honestly the game's systems don't fit together properly right now so it's frustrating being a CoF enjoyer

[solemn harness]

I really hope we get some sort of balance update before season 5

or like, anything that addresses the mountain of player feedback since s4 started

not just more irrelevant bug fixes

[lofty wren]

they refuse to do mid season changes ever since that stupid poll

and considering they can't stick to a consistent schedule the game is probably stuck with this nonsense for 6 months

[solemn harness]

I loathe how they add things to the game and then just never touch that thing again until it's time for a complete redesign X years later

it's endemic across literally every system in the game

"oh you aren't happy with the 25 primordial uniques we added? too bad, we're done designing that, no changes until 2036"

[lofty wren]

yes. it's the worst thing about them as developers. they basically only do wide sweeping changes.

[solemn harness]

"oh you didn't like the lich rework? shame, we have to go through 10 more seasons before we circle back to lich again"

[lofty wren]

and it's a pretty big part of why the game won't experience meaningful growth

when your favorite skill or class stays bad for over a year it doesn't make you wanna come back

[solemn harness]

marksman is a perfect example of this TBH

heartseeker got added, ended up being underwhelming, mastery still sucks; when is it going to get a second pass? who knows!

[lofty wren]

and if a class rework doesn't hit the mark and sucks it will take another year until they get back to you. look at spellblade this season for example. the changes were mostly bad and all they really did was buff flame reave into being good.

I bet they won't touch the mastery for a long time now

[solemn harness]

every single season I've been confused where all of their development time is going

"good changes, not very many changes, not sure why this took 8 months"

[maiden widget]

The idol add-on also seems cool but terrible with how hard it is to find cool stuff or actually influence what you get. Unless I am missing something

[solemn harness]

you're not missing anything, it's a total RNG fiesta

[lofty wren]

from what they've said a lot of their dev time is going towards console so we get bad updates until they're done with that and the expansion i guess.

[solemn harness]

the best way to farm idol altars is the boss, drops 11ish altars per kill

[maiden widget]

Corruption having so many dud but not really outcomes also takes the fun out. Bricked 3 of my failed egg red rings

[solemn harness]

still extremely tedious even doing that

[lofty wren]

as it stands now the game is fun for a week and then I have nothing else to do because imprints are dead

at least poe1 is on the right track rn

[solemn harness]

if PoE had something like CoF where your stuff was perma SSF / otherwise voided, but you could actually reasonably acquire loot yourself without needing to trade

I'm not sure I would ever play anything else

as-is though, I can't stand trade and essentially retired from PoE as a result

[lofty wren]

I like both ways really, trade is fine in poe but it's pretty awful in this game and what makes LE special is CoF

[solemn harness]

I am unironically a D4 enjoyer these days; it has lots of flaws, and build "complexity" is shin-deep at best, but when it comes to just playing the damn game and getting loot, it does a good job of fulfilling that fantasy

[lofty wren]

well, it did make it feel special at least. the game throws so much loot at you to the point where you cap out your gear easily with no way of getting good exalts anymore. I really don't think they actually tested the imprint change because it makes CoF feel horrible. the sense of progression in this game right now is so off.

[solemn harness]

high hopes for the expansion in ~2 weeks

[lofty wren]

I actually like d4. it's like at the bottom of the arpgs I play but I do enjoy the time I spend in the game. it has fast builds and it's casual so it's pretty brain off enjoyment. they need to cook up better seasonal mechanics though.

[solemn harness]

I have a lot of thoughts on imprints, for the most part I think players should have far more control over what items drop

like extend the concept of blessings giving stuff like "x% increased sceptre drop rate" and apply that to specific affixes, base types, etc

[lofty wren]

well. if they were gonna delete exalted imprinting we needed more ways to get good exalted items.

as it stands we... have none

[solemn harness]

it feels like the devs are afraid of players getting gear and progressing too fast

[lofty wren]

I mean from my experience that already happens

[solemn harness]

so we just get mountains of completely randomized nonsense, now with a splash of "this item is corrupted and unmodifiable, and also you can't even use it to slam"

fast progression is fine in my opinion as long as the endgame gameplay loop is enjoyable and rewarding

[lofty wren]

like.. with the LP system they made the gearing process a bit too simple. and now that it's impossible to get 2 t7 affixes you take a t7 and pray for a good corruption.

[solemn harness]

I agree with that and think they need to do significantly more to make actually using exalted items (not legendaries/uniques) both viable and realistic

as it currently stands, getting a unique with 1LP and slamming a perfect T7 affix on it takes approximately zero time, and has a fairly high return, in terms of how much power you get out of the resulting item slot

for comparison if you were to try and craft an exalted weapon that's better than some theoretical 1LP slammed legendary, it takes multiple orders of magnitude more time and effort

and the result is likely not a significant upgrade, most of the time, unless your crafting RNG is incredible

primordial exalted items are the worst for this; the amount of effort it takes to craft a good one, you could literally find, slam, and equip 1LP legendaries in every other slot on your character

[lofty wren]

to make exalted items viable they probably need to add more affix slots to items and add way more FP at a baseline? there's also some other things they could do like add ways to upgrade a normal affix into an exalted but then they would have to nerf legendary items by limiting them to 1 exalted affix so that's a bit iffy.

[solemn harness]

not even addressing actual set items being good, which is a total itemization joke lol

[lofty wren]

playing a build that uses the set ring is a gearing nightmare

[solemn harness]

thinking of this build specifically: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PuxRRu7SFs

gear reference: https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BM68VyOw

[candid crypt]

Bladedancer, Level 98

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.1

Class:

Rogue (20) / Bladedancer (77) / Falconer (14)

General:

▸ Health: 3,358, Regen: 19.72/s
▸ Mana: 226.5, Regen: 9.52/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 2 Str / 6 Dex / 2 Int / 10 Att / 2 Vit
▸ Resistances: 81% / 74% / 75% / 132% / 29% / 31% / 71%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 62%, Threshold: 1,249
▸ Dodge Chance: 20% (677)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 28% (1,284)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 2%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 5%

Used skills:

Shadow Rend / Smoke Bomb / Shadow Cascade / Explosive Trap / Umbral Blades

[solemn harness]

I haven't even played a rogue this season and I already have all that gear, I could make that exact character without a single item dropping

uber aberroth viable

[lofty wren]

the new sets are completely absurd tbh

they took it personally that people kept calling sets trash ig

[maiden widget]

I am playing shurikens and thought about farming for it but it seems like a big hassle

[solemn harness]

Kuzon's Guise cracks me up

[maiden widget]

Oh nvm it was the other one with way more sets used

[solemn harness]

zero downsides, it's got health, resistances, endurance, flat damage, +4 skill ranks, blind on hit, flat damage, flat armor

like someone just made a checklist for all the things you could possibly want on a helmet and said yes to everything

[maiden widget]

Damn yeah I don't think I've found the helmet before hiding sets that one is dope

[jovial bane]

which tbh makes sense when you have to compete with legendaries for the slot

[solemn harness]

shouldn't reforged set items be doing that..?

rune of corruption treats turning a regular set item into a reforged set item as a positive outcome, which to me suggests it's intended for reforged set items to be better than normal ones, proportional to the increased difficulty in crafting/acquiring them

[jovial bane]

on paper yes, but clearly reforging did not work out

[solemn harness]

I think it worked fine, they just made some of the regular set items insanely overtuned this patch

[jovial bane]

intentions behind the systems are good, but how they work in practice ehhhh

I agree that LP1 legendaries are the issue here

[junior oyster]

Street fighter movie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e94diATcVPY

Honestly I'm intrigued

[ebon meadow]

Doesn't look bad at all pausechamp

[real charm]

Next era it is, I heard they nerfed my beloved SSF anyway, 🙁

[lofty wren]

Yeah SSF feels a bit bad right now

[torn zinc]

Hey everyone! sharing a recent illustration i worked on
This piece focuses on a comic style fight scene capturing the exact moment before impact between two characters
In the background a single dragon’s eye watches in silence adding tension and hinting at a larger story behind the scene
I’d appreciate any feedback or thoughts on it 💕

[silent steeple]

Just gonna leave this here for anyone interested

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSdghdelbAw

[lofty wren]

yoooooo NEW METRO? Hype

[silent steeple]

Looks so good too

[torn zinc]

Ohh that’s an amazing trailer!

[sand wigeon]

the only times i’ve felt ssf was more fun than trade was last epoch and diablo 4

[abstract karma]

at least it looks like same team so hope they wont rush it Metro is same as Stalker series - gold one

and mainly i hope it wont be in UE 5

still stinks how CD gave up on their engine..
East proves that if you are willing you dont need stupid standards of engines to pull decent graphic output and perfomance

[lofty wren]

I don't think I've ever traded in d4 lol

I like the game as ssf tho

It's not that hard to get the gear you need so trade seems unnecessary

[junior oyster]

D3 has conditioned me into thinking almost nothing is tradeable lol

[sand wigeon]

exactly

[lofty wren]

I'm actually pretty hype for the expansion

[junior oyster]

I've bought it but hoping we finally get to fight/join mephi

[lofty wren]

I dunno if I'll be done with TLI by the time it comes out tho

My main issue with D4 is the seasonal mechanics tend to be pretty boring, the game is fun overall

[fallow vessel]

what happened while I just looked away?

[rich bolt]

I've been playing windrose for a bit ngl I recommend the game to anyone who likes the pirate vibes

[sand wigeon]

we like keeping the people who like this game away from the ones with intellect remaining

[lofty wren]

Toxic positivity ruins games, gtfo

[real charm]

hopefully SSF will be buffed in 2027 when next era comes or something

it was fun and since using market is a chore, the only viable way to play for some people, actually they confirmed they will change factions in season 5 in one of the posts on Reddit when someone made a script for SSF

[real charm]

checking the reddit is a bit of disheartening, most posts have 50 likes at most, aside the ultra popular ones that either bash the game or a patch notes, feels a bit empty

[lofty wren]

Season 5? Only took them this long to finally make some changes to the factions...

[real charm]

This was season 4, so yeah, next season it is

[lofty wren]

Hopefully they're actually substantial buffs

Any imprint changes won't come until next season too IF it happens at all

So I guess this season is done for me

[real charm]

It's kind of hard to search for their communication as their posts are hidden in small posts like that

I wish we could track their comments much easier

[lofty wren]

A lot of their communication only comes from Mike's streams tbh

[real charm]

They gonna fix their communication, unless you are glued to their reddit or streams you will miss out on things people are always complaining about

Like, if it wasn't for digging in that 70 upvotes post. I would have no idea a rework is coming for factions

And the average casual guy will not digbthst information

[jovial bane]

well they are on the clock, I think with the current trend the game has maybe a year tops

[lofty wren]

If the console launch/expansion isn't amazing they're probably gonna EoS

[warped wren]

so one more patch

[twilit mountain]

Two and a half weeks and LE has worse retention than Hero Siege

[warped wren]

lmfao

[desert jasper]

You guys have retention?

[warped wren]

Meanwhile me still grinding currency in PoE 5 weeks in

[twilit mountain]

I'm gettin myself pretty geared in HS, but oh so much more work to be done

[warped wren]

So pink

[twilit mountain]

Arcane caster go brrrrrr

[warped wren]

did a bit of profit crafting, certainly looks like profit, hope it sells

[mental talon]

Literally me.

[warped wren]

I now understand why you do it

[mental talon]

Profit crafting really is a cheatcode when you consider that you usally spend like 1/10-1/4th to make the item and just get to charge LMAO prices.

[warped wren]

just needs a starting kitty

[mental talon]

45ish D to craft and I made profit before even selling this because I 50/50ed for correct ILVL on original base. It really is free money.

[warped wren]

holy

[desert jasper]

I had a dream last night where I was playing Kinetic Blast

[vagrant topaz]

Time to make the dream come true

[desert jasper]

Nah, don't feel like it

[warped wren]

I just hope somebody buys my shit so I can afford another lock and hopefully call it for the league

[junior oyster]

Lol echoing nightmares return in d4 xD

[warped wren]

Because I kinda don't wanna farm another 200div lol

[desert jasper]

Honestly I haven't kept up with what's in d4
I'm also not a fan of giving money to blizzard

[junior oyster]

Fair

I still like d4 for the story so yea

Too far away dang

[desert jasper]

near my birthday apparently

[twilit mountain]

What's this

[junior oyster]

Trails in the sky 2nd chapter remake

I forgot to mention the game lol

Oh I guess Kirra left again

[twilit mountain]

Ahhh

[placid yarrow]

Damn right

[twilit mountain]

Where Superman

[placid yarrow]

Maybe if I make it even more attractive he'll show up

We're so god damn cultured

[desert jasper]

she did, yes

[desert jasper]

So apparently my brother's cat learned a new "cool" trick
He empties his entire bowl and then jumps on top of his scratching post
And vomits on the floor

[warped wren]

sounds orange

[desert jasper]

He's very much not orange
grey, one of them maine cats that you can't say the full name of here because 2nd part being filtered

A really wonderful cat tbh

[twilit mountain]

Ah yeah. The big fellas. My two lovely rats are part them. They're not too bright.

[desert jasper]

They're adorable
But man, are they dumb as bricks sometimes

[desert jasper]

I did have to clean up after him

[junior oyster]

On the last episode of Fallout S2 and now I'm inclined to play NV again

Damn

The comments are brutal 😂
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7VRpNZQuxE

[celest wagon]

not really fanart so I put it here in the off-topic

[desert jasper]

Again, is that your youtube?

[maiden widget]

Can't relate to self ads sorry

But maybe I am not a g*mer

[desert jasper]

<@&1161418687471956101> this guy is advertising his own youtube channel.

not the first time either

ty

[abstract karma]

Hmm how goes pragmata if somebody is playing ? I'm more interested about performance stability since i dont have top HW

[junior oyster]

I know it's nothing to go by (everyone has their own personal preference) but the reviews for the game is currently overwhelmingly positive

Unfortunately similar to the RE games I have no interest in this game but it's kind of rare for me to see an overwhelmingly positive and not buy it (a game or genre I'm interested in that is)

[warped wren]

In today's episode of "seemingly mid or whatever games that are actually really fun" I submit: TMNT Splintered Fate

If you get it on sale I highly recommend for some simple roguelite fun

The writing and quips are really on point for the franchise, roster is nice and diverse, roguelite formula is competently executed

It's no Hades or I guess StS2 but it's fun

[twilit mountain]

TMNT has a very weirdly high hit rate on their games

[warped wren]

Yeah I can see why lol

It gets the humor right and the gameplay is solid enough

[junior oyster]

TMNT vampire survivor clone when

[warped wren]

Oh god no

Please

[jovial bane]

I have an unusual hate for TMNT ever since magic in it's infinite cringe decided it's a good IP for crossover set

[warped wren]

I have no idea about that, I don't play card games

this one I just saw on sale a while ago and picked it up on a whim

[warped wren]

man Sifu on sale on Steam for just $11

wondering if I should buy it. I really sucked at it on PS though

it's fun but SO HARD

[twilit mountain]

Trash tier take, phenomenal set. And yes I am in fact pro-crossover sets, have been since before they existed. It's a game and it adds fun and flavor.

[placid yarrow]

x)

[hot crown]

Pragmata has been FLOODING my Threads feed...

Guess I'll have to tighten my filters again.

[junior oyster]

I like when games have crossovers. Even if minor. Like palworld x terraria

Same with media

Love the dc x sonic crossover xd

[silent steeple]

Keeping aside the drama, anyone here tried Project Gorgon?

[desert jasper]

Haven't even heard of it

[warped wren]

my favorite crossovers used to be that old hour-long Scooby Do show that brought in new IPs every week

iirc it had Batman and Robin, a basketball team (idr which), and a bunch more

used to love that shit lmao

[junior oyster]

@mental talon I forgot to look at the counter lol

[placid yarrow]

28.5% is criminal tbh

[jovial bane]

but kind of expected, incredibly long game with rather niche target audience given hardcore mechanics

[placid yarrow]

Eh what hardcore mechanics? Unless you're playing on hardcore mode it has pretty much every modern QoL

If you mean the combat then like I still have yet to reliably do a combo rofl

Like I know a few but I only do them for style points

[jovial bane]

Sleeping, Eating, Drinking, not saving outside of consumables and beds, starting butt naked in a hostile world

I know it's streamlined, but if the bar of average RPG is at Skyrim, and it is

it's quite above that

[placid yarrow]

You can sleep pretty much anywhere, food is pretty much thrown at you wherever you are, there's no thirst meter, the only one I see is the saving but like you save on exit and saviour schnapps is pretty common in the world even if you don't brew it which is also super easy. Like yeah it's not Skyrim but on a scale from 1 to 10 it's like a 3 at most imo

I feel like the length of the game is probably what gets most people

I took a break towards the end myself

[jovial bane]

definitely

[placid yarrow]

Ended up taking me 125 hours of playtime, so prob around 110 or so of actual gameplay because I have a bad habit of just leaving my pc with a game running lul

[jovial bane]

which is insanely long, not by epic story driven RPGs standard, but rather by average single player game

[placid yarrow]

And I did a good amount of side quests and a lot of the dlc too

Yeah for sure

I feel like if you purely went for main quests you can get it done in under 50 hours at the same pace I play at

But obviously you shouldn't

[jovial bane]

although if we talk those huge RPGs it's quite long, probably an 8/10 on a scale

[placid yarrow]

Witcher 3 took me a lot longer yeah

[jovial bane]

my longest game was likely Wrath of the Righteous ?

[placid yarrow]

But I played that on the hardest difficulty but I didn't play kcd2 on hardcore so it's a bit unfair imo

[jovial bane]

I finished the game once, and got to act 3 (which is the longest) out 5 twice

it took me a while, my first playthrough was something like 140 hours

[placid yarrow]

Witcher 3's hardest difficulty is just straight up bs basically where everything perma oneshots you forever no matter what and even a dog takes several swings at max level

They just scaled enemy hp and damage to the moon

[jovial bane]

yesn't

base game is super easy, hearts of stone is like you are saying, then blood and wine is somehow as it's supposed to feel like

[placid yarrow]

I also think I just straight up broke the Ng+ by being over leveled or something. I remember reading it was just straight up bugged back then and I never bothered revisiting

Since it sets the level 1 enemies to your current level

If you were too high level something just broke and you were permanently weak af

[jovial bane]

But Wrath of the Rigtheous definitely was the longest RPG I've played, at least it felt like it. There is a scene in which you save the city and beat up the BBEG. Somewhere around idk 15-20 hours in ? Normal game would roll credits at this point

IN THIS GAME YOU'VE BEATEN ACT 1, THE INTRODUCTION

[placid yarrow]

Lol

[jovial bane]

THE EXTENDED TUTORIAL

[placid yarrow]

DoS2 also took me over 100 hours iirc

[jovial bane]

oh yeah, it's long as well

[placid yarrow]

Cyberpunk took a little under 100 on the first playthrough when it first came out and a little over 100 on my second playthrough last year with the dlc

[jovial bane]

but WotR took it to eleven, for some reason devs decided that 100+ hours RPG is not long enough, so they've decided to add replayability in mythic paths having different story bits and exclusive story content related to them, like afaik additional act for one of them

story relevancy wise it's like 6 of them

[placid yarrow]

I have kingmaker but never did a playthrough

[jovial bane]

Kingmaker is a gigantic game, WotR is somehow much bigger, titanic even

WotR character creation screen had me like

because there are 38 classes including 13 presitge ones, and they are broken into about 4 subclasses each

[placid yarrow]

Yeah I don't love it when games overload you from the getgo tbh

I'd rather it branch out after you get your footing

[jovial bane]

hilariously enough builds do branch out at certain points

[placid yarrow]

Spending an hour making a character with 100 choices when you don't know what you're doing ain't it lul

Kinda what I really like about stoneshard, at the start all you do is pick a character (soon you'll be able to create one) where the only difference is a handful of pre-allocated stat points and a trait

As well as starting skill trees but you don't actually get any skills in them. You just start with 2 skill points to freely allocate

[jovial bane]

Although I wish Stoneshard had a respec, given how hard to grasp the power of the skills is

[placid yarrow]

I could see it for new players but honestly I think it would make the game worse in the long run because I'd hate to see "leveling" setups

[jovial bane]

I don't think it should have a traditional respec with gold at NPC or any time, but rather a rare potion

[placid yarrow]

Which would 100000% become a thing if they added Respec

Tbh maybe just make it a thing in softcore and have it not be in hardcore

[jovial bane]

maybe

[placid yarrow]

I'd be down for that

I play perma anyway nowadays so it wouldn't really affect me that way

[jovial bane]

yeah, that's fair

[placid yarrow]

It's one of the few games I play perma in

[silent steeple]

I cant remember much of this game because its been so long but I do remember I had the most fun playing this game on death march

[jovial bane]

you definitely did, because the base game is easy even on Death March unless you want to fist fight with someone with signs or potions build

[placid yarrow]

Yeah the first playthrough was pretty great. Feeling the need to prepare oils and bombs for certain enemies was great compared to normal difficulties where you just spam attack

But when Ng+ first came out they messed up the level scaling or something iirc. I think they fixed it a while later but I never went back to it

[jovial bane]

And that's what I really loved about Witcher 1, and I'm upset about CDPR slightly streamlining it

[silent steeple]

I was also playing for the achievement where u had to apply bleed + burn + poison on the enemy, so i made a build revolving that. It was so fun that i just stuck with it throughout the game 😂

[jovial bane]

Oils and Potions there felt mandatory, as well as research

[placid yarrow]

Like instead of being similar difficulty to normal death march is you were really leveled Ng+ death march was legit near impossible. I remember I was stuck at the dogs are the literal very beginning of the game for like an hour

One bite and you're oneshot and each one took like 20 hits at least

[jovial bane]

I hate that kind of difficulty tbh

[placid yarrow]

Yeah it was just way too far lol

[jovial bane]

And sadly most games are like that.
Oh we just turn enemies into bullet sponges and make them one shot you

[silent steeple]

And then there's durability

[placid yarrow]

And it never got better because at that point you don't level fast enough to keep up either

[jovial bane]

I really like that Larian spiced it up with tactician and honour

[placid yarrow]

So you literally quen, get a few hits off. Maybe a pixel worth of hp, and then quen and repeat

[jovial bane]

Even though I think BG3 on honour is sliiiightly too easy, but it can be modded

[placid yarrow]

Like legit if my quen went off I had to just run around until it was back up

[jovial bane]

you are triggering my Witcher 2 trauma lmao

[silent steeple]

Yeah that would break the immersion

[placid yarrow]

I wonder if my save is still bricked if I load it up now or if the fix is retroactive

[jovial bane]

good question

[placid yarrow]

It was hilariously broken

[silent steeple]

Didn't they change everything with new gen update? Armours and signs and stuff?

[placid yarrow]

Classic cdpr launch jank tbh

[placid yarrow]

I don't remember it was ages ago I played it

[jovial bane]

If you have not played BG3 on honour, the major change is that bosses have special reactions now. For example one boss with additional enemies have a reaction that paralyses you and deals a lot of damage until you remove it with fire if you dare to attack the extra mobs

Or another boss, well there is two of them now

[placid yarrow]

Don't get me wrong btw I loved the game. The Ng+ thing is a bummer but I had a great time with it and did basically all the content there was to be done before starting Ng+

[silent steeple]

Same. I love the game as well but then I get to skellige and see all those poi's on the map and immediately lose interest

[jovial bane]

me and every Ubisoft or Sony game

[placid yarrow]

Yeah I think kcd2 does a way better job at that stuff

You get random encounters and stuff instead of having minor pois everywhere

Makes it way more dynamic

[jovial bane]

I'd say that KCD2 is the first game I loved exploring the game world of since Skyrim, but alas Elden Ring came in between

I love Witcher 3, but open world there is just okay

[placid yarrow]

There's a lot of dope stuff coming this year that I'm looking forward to tbh

Major update for stoneshard, 2 new dlc for frostpunk2, Anno 117 starting to shape up, graveyard keeper 2 and some other things

[jovial bane]

I was pondering what to do, because I've gotten to practically endgame in Windrose. Im close to being done with the game, but I crave more pirates.

Well RGG heard my pleas it seems, Pirate Yakuza from Hawaii is 70% off 😂

new games wise I just hope IOI delivers on Bond

[junior oyster]

Aaand then I get this run lol

[warped wren]

finally done

what a league it's been

[junior oyster]

Aside from getting scammed I can't wait
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qu1PmW-Qzxk

Also I missed this trailer somehow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiA77cTcqG0

[vagrant topaz]

🦆 🦆 🦆

[desert jasper]

So are you going to eat those eggs?

[maiden widget]

Damn housing a whole ducking family

[vagrant topaz]

We don't know how old they are, so no

We might get ducklings

We'll see if they hatch

[desert jasper]

Ah, good luck

[junior oyster]

F U Prime video for giving spoilers for Invincible s4...

Honestly I don't know too much about the story behind Coyote vs ACME but from the trailer it feels like the tom and jerry movie but better
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-43VeYGiPM

[junior oyster]

First broken run I've had in a while (StS2)

[neon sigil]

back to drawing

[junior oyster]

Ok Bliz cooked with this opening to LoH
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3t1WJsFXY-8

Now I'm as hyped as ever for the next story

[jovial bane]

idk if I want to hop into D4 expansion rn

but I'm definitely infinitely more hyped for LoH than I was for VoH

[desert jasper]

Not gonna buy it

Can't really afford it and don't care enough for d4

[junior oyster]

It depends whether you want to play the game for the gameplay or for the cinematics lol

For me it's more cinematics but I can also experience the little (or a lot) changes

Anyone (myself included) who bought VoH got scammed

I will be more cautious next time

[maiden widget]

How did I get scammed, I got what I purchased

[junior oyster]

The current LoH package includes VoH for the same price as VoH

No discount for VoH purchasers so

[maiden widget]

Yes that is pretty common to be welcoming to new people

Why should you get a discount you had the expansion since you bought it

[junior oyster]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[jovial bane]

bit of both, I'm just fatigued with aRPGs

[mental talon]

End of May

https://youtu.be/tqb4pk3bkbs

[twilit mountain]

Wait til he learns how MMO expansions work

[lofty wren]

End of May is crazy

That endgame rework better be out of this world...

[jovial bane]

considering how monetised D4 is, getting VoH expansion with LoH is surprisingly consumer friendly

tbh if not for that deal I'd never buy D4

[sand wigeon]

it’s not rly all that heavily monetized

[neon sigil]

[twilit mountain]

It really isn't. Cosmetics, a battle pass that nearly funds itself, and expansions roughly once a year. That's pretty standard. Arguably less monetized than PoE (and yes I would in fact be the one to argue this). Most MMOs are even more heavily monetized than it, and I can think of several other live service games that are egregiously more than it.

[sand wigeon]

yeah

[junior oyster]

Good news. I don't play mmos 🤣

[maiden widget]

Neither do I, but it's still pretty newcomer friendly like this. You can now just skip an expansion and not have to buy 2 or if you like what you see just play directly

I'd have expected blizzard to be more greedy

[junior oyster]

Just wish I never bought VoH is all

I can't see it as anything else other than a scummy tactic by bliz

Also like I said yesterday I'll be more careful. Wait for release and make sure it isn't a half expansion or something 😭

For future expansions I mean (assuming d5 isn't out by then)

[sand wigeon]

you should play black desert online

[jovial bane]

why not lost ark when it's aRPG channel ?

I mean if one wants to torture oneself ofc

[sand wigeon]

it's not an arpg channel

it's an off-topic channel

[junior oyster]

No mmos. Period. Lol

The closest I can accept to playing mmos is poe and d4

[warped wren]

man I should have bought Ravenswatch sooner

such a beautiful game

it's kicking my ass up my ears though

[sand wigeon]

i would never genuinely recommend black desert online to someone

[warped wren]

I feel like if I HAD to play an MMO, it would be GW2 or Warframe

[sand wigeon]

warframe isn’t an mmo

[warped wren]

idk what it is but it sure felt like it when I played it last lol

[junior oyster]

Isn't it kinda like poe?

[warped wren]

I have been told from long-time players that even they don't know wtf Warframe is, except fun

[vast venture]

warframe tried to implement raids and they were so un-fun they got removed from the game entirely.

quite a while ago now

[maiden widget]

i like their gameplay loop but everything outside of it like progression is just too annoying

[junior oyster]

So like poe then

[warped wren]

I enjoyed it a lot when I played it last but it got a little too overwhelming and grindy for me so I kind of lost interest I guess

but man the space ninja shit is peak

they really nailed that

[warped wren]

isn't progression a part of gameplay loop

[maiden widget]

Depends, personally not - gameplay is everything i do during handling my char, the rest feels like excel work and waiting so i'd not classify it as gameplay

[warped wren]

interesting way of looking at it, since both are inextricably linked

[maiden widget]

yeah thats why i just quit it, too much busywork for the fun i get out of it

[jovial bane]

you had me ngl lmao

Warframe is Destiny 2, but fun

[desert jasper]

New poe2 league starting May 29 🤔

[jovial bane]

but seriously, Warframe is basically third person shooter aRPG

It's as much of an mmo as Diablo 4 is an mmo basically

[warped wren]

bro this has me SO hyped that I'm having to dial back my hype meter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eRLZVFWvtk

pleasebegoodpleasebegoodpleasebegoodpleasebegoodpleasebegoodpleasebegood

[jovial bane]

I know it's the servers policy, but YT video link without the preview is spooking me

[desert jasper]

aye

[warped wren]

(WolfheartFPS's review and overview of The Expanse: Osiris Reborn closed beta gameplay)

[jovial bane]

oh that game

[warped wren]

because it's a shit policy

this server has the actual WORST censoring I have ever seen on the internet, it is actually insane.

[jovial bane]

The Owlcat Mass Effect ? As opposed to the WotC Mass Effect ?
I keep confusing the two

[warped wren]

correct

[placid yarrow]

Is it possible to allow inbeds for some links but not others? If so I'd bring it up

[jovial bane]

hopefully it's good, both of those games in fact

[warped wren]

Owlcat are a supremely underrated studio IMO

Rogue Trader is peak so far

and everything I've seen of Dark Heresy is peak-er

[jovial bane]

unless you like rogue trader, then you might be a bit upset

Because it's really fun, but plays nothing like tabletop rogue trader

[warped wren]

and given that this is their literal first foray into 3rd person shooter from isometric, the gameplay looks incredibly polished

[warped wren]

yeah I mean I do not give a shit.

[jovial bane]

tbf I would not recommend that game if it was still the year after it relased

[warped wren]

trying to literally translate tabletop gaming into PC gaming is a fool's errand in 99% of cases and I'm glad they didn't even bother

[jovial bane]

so in 2023-2024, rn it's great

But I dare to say Wrath of the Righteous was still their best game

[sand wigeon]

pretty sure destiny 2 is destiny 2 but fun actually

[warped wren]

I've heard good things about the Pathfinder games but was never particularly drawn to them

[jovial bane]

more power to you, it was sarcastically speaking

or ironically

[sand wigeon]

sarcasm is for fools and hussars

[jovial bane]

true

[placid yarrow]

I couldn't get into them honestly. Tbh seems to be a general thing for me with DND type games turned video games

[jovial bane]

What IMO is a downgrade in RT from WOTR is the maps and encounter design

[placid yarrow]

Like while baldurs gate 3 is amazing I much prefer DoS2 combat

[jovial bane]

By encounter design I mean how terrain affects your tactics

[warped wren]

I have both, have to play both xdd

[placid yarrow]

DoS2 is for sure in my top 20 of all time

[warped wren]

BG3 I started and REALLY liked but it's just such a commitment that I kept bouncing off for one reason or another

[jovial bane]

The other way around for me, but that's thanks to the armor system in DOS2 which I really hate

[sand wigeon]

i don’t think larian has ever made a good adaptation i’ll be real

[warped wren]

soon™ though

[sand wigeon]

of any system

[jovial bane]

nah, BG3 is a pretty damn good adaptation of 5e

[warped wren]

that is certainly a take of all time but you're entitled to your opinion

[sand wigeon]

if we ignore that bg3 is a bad game ig sure

[jovial bane]

Solasta might have been more faithful mechanically, but BG3 captured the spirit of the system the best

LMAO

[placid yarrow]

Yeah I wasn't a massive fan of it either but it was somewhat mitigated by me playing lone wolf and obliterating the enemies armour right away lmao

Was happy to hear they're not using it for the new divinity though

[jovial bane]

That's not exactly the issue I have with it, the problem I have with it you want to go for the full magical or physical damage

Mixing the two feels awful

Also polymorph IMHO is broken, and should not be a thing.
Apotheosis and Skin Graft are so good they should be in every signle build

[sand wigeon]

bg3 is an unfinished underwhelming mess that pads itself with unnecessary things to pretend that it’s a big game while offering little of substance

[warped wren]

I think if you powergame an RPG (and there's nothing wrong with doing so tbf), you are playing in an "unintended" way and that can and will warp your perception and experience

[sand wigeon]

a lot like expedition 33 actually

[warped wren]

like I played ye olde Icewind Dale 2 both normal and powergamed and my experience of it was so vastly different in both cases that I may as well have played a different game

[jovial bane]

That's a bit of a problem with RT

massive problem in fact

game is balanced like Heroes of Might and Magic 3, as in not at all

Your broken bs fights the opponent's broken bs

[junior oyster]

I like bg3 but I prefer DoS2

Being able to play as an undead skeleton beats playing as an undead zombie

[warped wren]

lukewarm take perhaps but that's not a problem IMO. A single player isometric RPG doesn't need to struggle hard to be "balanced" because that's not the purpose of its existence

[jovial bane]

It is not, but Owlcat's games are very much the powergamer's dream

[warped wren]

like hey look I gave my character 100 AC by creating some freakish mutant hybrid and the unlikeliest combination of race and class possible that can never exist in the world and now I'm immortal

ok, good for you

but the fact that you can also find your fun by creating a true-to-world character whose background and choices you have carefully curated (and still beat the game) is what the appeal of such games is IMO

[jovial bane]

mmm with WotR absolutely, RT IMO is best experienced as stereotypical rogue trader

[warped wren]

yeah I can see that, I'm in chapter 1 and the Sister of Battle is already going insane

complete murderbot of a woman

[jovial bane]

oh she could have solo'd the entire game with her bolter before

now I believe she is not that good ?

[warped wren]

dunno

making a point to not look at guides and stuff for it lol

[jovial bane]

ditto here, if what she does is not that good, I struggle to comprehend what's great

Actually half true, I've seen what Kibellah can do

[jovial bane]

which IMO makes the game way more fun, I've tried WOTR on higher difficulties (I think on the one mode between the highest level and core) and it was

well guides taught me lot

mostly how much of a broken mess the game is

Companions ? Man, they are not viable for the highest diffiulty level at all but some can be salvaged.

You want a tank ? You want to make your sword and board paladin companion a tank ? Great, she cannot tank. In fact tanks don't tank in this game on their own. You take level in monk, you grab a horse. You increase the int of the horse, teach it kung fu

[placid yarrow]

That's not what I did though. Lone wolf is a perk in the game that basically giga buffs one character when they're not in a party. So because I was so strong I was able to get through enemies armour within one turn and cc them while normally that might take several characters turns in a party. But then I had to deal with the fact that I was likely surrounded by a bunch of other enemies that are about to dog pile me lul

[jovial bane]

And it will have way more AC than your paladin will ever have

[jovial bane]

At first it's dangerous, later on welp

A caster can wipe the floor with them

Ranger for single target, and Caster for everything else. I've seen Doctor folding on tactician in one turn

But for AoE basically you pop the AP cost reduction consumables, especially white tea in last act of the game. You pop the aphoteosis which increases the stats, but more importantly for 3 source points removes the source point cost for the duration

You spam every single 2-3 source point spells in the game, pop the skin graft, reset the cooldown and do it again

[placid yarrow]

Yep I went with a 2h melee character and was able to kill pretty much any enemy in one turn and then camo or do something else to basically negate everyone else's turn by the end

Also I feel like DoS2 very much encourages insane combo's / "game breaking" stuff. It's extremely open ended and just gives you a bunch of toys to play around with

[jovial bane]

true, BG3 is definitely harder to break

Outside of barrelmancy ofc

That always worked in Larian games sicne DOS

[junior oyster]

Honestly the d4 changes look kinda cool

So warlock stole DH's mana orb lool

They brought level 70 back. This is d3 again xD

Pathfinding noice

Will help in the new campaign

[jovial bane]

I hope in a good way xD

[junior oyster]

Same

I love d3 though so

[warped wren]

[desert jasper]

What was on that jewel?

[warped wren]

and then I just hit THIS in ONE tailoring orb...