📚┃off-topic

[gilded elm]

At least it becomes less blatant the lower down the chain you go, it's normally something you only hear about happening at the higher levels of government between big players, not an institutionalized expectation of average citizens

I'm just imagining in India how everyone who seeks government services is also making calculations for "bribe money" on the side

And how this kind of decision-making is ingrained into society

The US has its flaws, damn I know that, but holy crap that's insane

[warped wren]

the positive side is that once you've paid, you can be pretty certain your thing will go through

[warped wren]

10x is INCREDIBLY rare, would probably apply only to, like, govt District Magistrates conducting tax audits or some shit

[gilded elm]

Positive, but also reinforcing behavior hah

[warped wren]

ofc

it is too ingrained to just vanish so easily

the bribery income streams flow bottom to top AND top to bottom

officers assign postings to favorites basis the money that's possible to be earned

[gilded elm]

I gotta remind myself the grass isn't always greener on the other side, heh.

I'm incredibly privileged, despite many of my strong oppositions to the way our government works. It could always be, way, way worse.

[warped wren]

I personally wouldn't wanna move to the US but I can see plenty of reasons why people from India do

[gilded elm]

But would you rather be in the US (I assume you currently are?) rather than India?

[warped wren]

I'm not in the US, I'm in Canada

[gilded elm]

Ah, very nice

[warped wren]

India vs US... tough call for me tbh

US IF AND ONLY IF I was 100% certain wife and I would be strongly employed, and India in every other scenario

[gilded elm]

Canada always gave me the vibe of "US pop culture with less unchecked corruption" :P

[twilit mountain]

And better healthcare access and social nets in general. And generally speaking they're less antagonistic towards marginalized communities.

[gilded elm]

Yeah for sure, I kinda just bundled that into "less unchecked corruption" but yeah it's a fair and noteworthy distinction.

[twilit mountain]

Fair lol

[gilded elm]

Yeah I figured those things just kinda come with the territory of not being corrupt hahaha

Or being less corrupt

[twilit mountain]

Probably yeah. I'm not sure on the state of the UK corruption wise but hoo boy, they are definitely getting more... distasteful towards minorities.

[gilded elm]

Not surprising after Brexit

[warped wren]

This is going to sound like a pick-me statement, but as an immigrant myself I can tell you that just because someone is a minority doesn't mean they're not an entitled sshle. The fires of racism aren't only fueled by racists

[gilded elm]

Definitely, nothing is ever so black and white, for sure.

Our inability to hold nuanced discussions as a society tends to crowd opinions into one or two extremes.

[fierce moth]

Good morning, break a new record on the time of getting up again

[silent steeple]

Morning!

[fierce moth]

Zero-pressure mattress is quite comfy... Slept on that 9 night, it prove it's what I need for my dreaming bed.

New item on wishlist +1

Back to sleep on my over-solid mattress tonight... I'll miss that so much

[stone anvil]

zero pressure = zero problem

[gilded elm]

huh

[sand wigeon]

thank you max

[fierce moth]

I'm semi-deaf now... It's the simple lunch I ate, potatoes + chicken + fish steak + rice

I'm back to Guangzhou.

All clothes become a burden here because 28c outside

[stone anvil]

simple lunch looks healthy, big win

Guangzhou has cool and high buildings

don't get burn in clothes lol

[desert jasper]

Gonna go see my nephew today
Haven't seen him since last summer

[fierce moth]

My noodles 😭 They're not available anymore... Back to days of rice only

[desert jasper]

Friend's mom in canada had to wait over 6 months to get her broken leg looked at in canada
by the time they actually checked her it was already healed wrong so they did nothing

[desert jasper]

Tbh I can't wait to be back home and play more

[abstract karma]

always hate our healtcare then remember on NA and similar states and saying "geez at least i can get healtcare"

[maiden widget]

it sounds strange that broken bones dont get immediate attention with some wait time in hours

[abstract karma]

well actually yes, that's it strange
i would except too that with money you could just wait queue in some hospital or similar smaller places which can check out "urgent" problems

[jovial bane]

napkin estimation, so take it with a big grain of salt

but it also suggests the ratio of concurrent players to copies sold

[fierce moth]

do you mind me spoiler sts 2 if I play that later?

I guess you learnt all cards already

[junior oyster]

I haven't but StS2 doesn't have much story so feel free to do so

[honest forum]

no fair seems s4 and bl update are on same day .. not nice for arpg players

[fierce moth]

Oh I mean spoilers of gameplay, of course

[junior oyster]

Gameplay isn't much of a spoiler issue to me and probably most people

It's more so for single player story driven games (that are relatively new) where we usually prefer spoilers

Also if you want maybe we can do some multiplayer in sts2 (if you don't lose interest almost immediately lol)

[warped wren]

After playing a decent bunch, I am VERY positive about the new Atlas. There's only 2 issues with it, both easily solvable:

1. Special fights and invitations being linked to the atlas shouldn't be a thing, you should just be able to toss it in and go
2. For a new player, there's no indication of which quadrant belongs to which boss, so in combination with 1 it can make progression annoying.
   Outside of these teething issues I think the new system is absolutely stellar and makes life so much easier

No chisel nonsense, no fiending for specific adjacent map shenanigans, no master mission crap

So much less busywork

T17s still t17s but at least they're no longer the end-all be-all endgame farm

Big W from GGG IMO

Hopefully they fix the 2 issues next league, should be quite easy

[desert jasper]

I feel they might've gotten enough feedback
Like imagine going... let's say top right first
And then you get eater or exarch invitation
It's at the other end
frustration

[warped wren]

Ya that's the issue I completely agree is avoidable

There's so many ways to solve it and I'm hopeful it'll be fixed next league

That said it won't bother any of us next league anyway, regardless

[desert jasper]

They'll just shuffle the corners to be different

[warped wren]

That'd be pretty unpopular if they did that but I also see no reason for them to do it

That said, if they just change invites / special bosses to not be linked to the atlas to run, it'd be functionally irrelevant

[ebon meadow]

New thing needs polishing from a company that don't have much testers or used the term beta outside the initial release lmao

Ofc it's on the community to polish the new mechanic

I just can't believe we still have this servers in current year / "it's Ur ISP problem"

I m back to switching servers everyday after work because it's EU pick hours

[desert jasper]

Apparently they are getting ddossed

[ebon meadow]

Nothing new eather , I do have a curiosity of why though

Not a PvP game not competing on hard market / Asian market why the hell in the world should u ddos this

[desert jasper]

Because those "people" aren't happy with something so they want to punish

[ebon meadow]

Yea ,next level of csgo sour players

It's incomprensible to me to do things like that because u had a bad time playing a game

2 mints of my brain just took to think how u spell sour yesus I might need magnesium pills for me old brain

[desert jasper]

Corrupted one valyrium for fun

[ebon meadow]

That minus 40 cold Res is like a tic to me

Doesn't matter if u have freeze immune just the slow if u not capped is so annoying

I really hate things that slow u action speed down

[warped wren]

Wow

[ebon meadow]

Works both ways in my brain for clearing and bossing , first is what I like the most

[warped wren]

What a hit

That should be insane money

[twilit mountain]

Do not interact with the person who does not know PoE mechanics.

[warped wren]

Yeah I know he's a clueless wonder lol

[twilit mountain]

That was partially for myself ngl, I have a habit of taking the bait

[warped wren]

[desert jasper]

Looks like 6 dongs
but maybe I'll just try & sell it fast 🤔

Got pledge

[warped wren]

You're playing manaman too?

[desert jasper]

yes

[twilit mountain]

My fault, gang

[warped wren]

It's a good build so props

I just hated the Kitava's Thirst variant

Stupid jank ass helm

[desert jasper]

managed to 6link it too

Well, "managed"
used the morrigan for it

Now... what support do I replace normal echo with LUL

[warped wren]

Greater

[desert jasper]

The staff already has greater spell echo

Eh I guess enery leech support for now

But got to visit the store before I actually run anything with that

[warped wren]

Oh right

Forgot about that

Been years since Pledge was last meta

[jovial bane]

pizza time

[warped wren]

That looks amazing

[jovial bane]

I've got pretty good at making pizza 😄

[warped wren]

You made it??

Holy

Are you a chef?

[jovial bane]

only hobby chef 😅

[desert jasper]

hmm
still only at 5552 mana

[warped wren]

thanks slaverboy

[junior oyster]

That ain't no pizza. It's a pie

[jovial bane]

huh

[loud flume]

https://www.twitch.tv/kiraa96

minesweeper tournament live and winding down. figured someone might find it entertaining

[junior oyster]

It reminded me of the big fat pizzas they have in America lol

[twilit mountain]

Tbf that's a regional thing. NY has like three different styles of pizza, and two of them are rather thin.

The US genuinely has incredible variety in the food selection, and often people outside the US are only exposed to the stereotypes or fast food which dramatically skews the perception

[warped wren]

One day I'd like to travel to the US for food and craft beer scene

[ebon meadow]

Never judge Boston pizza that's what I learned it's very different

[junior oyster]

The ones I'm thinking of are from Chicago?

[junior oyster]

I've been to NC and I'm limited with my diet but the food I had there was pretty nice

Namely their frozen yogurts

Freds or something is what I remember the franchise name lol

[twilit mountain]

Yeah, Chicago deep dish. It's a Chicago thing, as you can probably guess lol. They're usually rectangular though I think

[junior oyster]

I only found about it from Ramseys Kitchen nightmares lol

Ok no nvm that was a different pizza

Thin crust pizza

[twilit mountain]

Personally I like a nice middle ground between thick crust and thin crust (thick crust is not Chicago style to be clear, different things)

[desert jasper]

That's a lasagna

[junior oyster]

Also is it a regional thing to call pizza 'pie'? I've sometimes even heard it being referred to pizza pie

[twilit mountain]

Honestly I don't know the answer to that

[twilit mountain]

I get the joke but not really, big difference between a thick dough base with sauce, cheese, and pepperoni (and optionally other toppings), and a dish made of layered thin noodles, ground beef, and cheese coated in sauce

[desert jasper]

Let me have my joke pls
It's the only thing I have going for me

[junior oyster]

I see the deep dish more as a pie than pizza tbf

[twilit mountain]

Hmmmm... alright you can have it

[junior oyster]

Main difference is I guess pies use some sort of pastry idk

Never had a pie lol

[desert jasper]

I should bake a pie again tbh

[junior oyster]

Ngl I think between deep dish pizza and pies I'd 100% pick the pizza

Neither look appetising to me though

[twilit mountain]

You should try pie, it's great. Plenty of kinds, all pretty good.

Well. Probably not great if you don't enjoy sweets

[desert jasper]

You could have a meaty pie

[junior oyster]

Oh I'm more specific about British pies that usually have meat in them

[twilit mountain]

Ahh

Admittedly I love those too but fair

Swipe typing my nemesis

[junior oyster]

But if I compare sweet pies to chocolate pizza I think once again the pizza wins lol

[jovial bane]

oh lol
I think it's the cheese.
I use ball mozarella and grated Pecorino Romano.

[desert jasper]

Man
Sure is fun having a random teammate in Deadlock that just runs to die under enemy guardian without minions

And just going attack items as graves

[junior oyster]

A4 on ironlad done

[sand wigeon]

you have to become the joke

[desert jasper]

Way ahead of you

[sand wigeon]

yeah there you go!

[jade jackal]

huh, i see Dr3ad posted an LE video

idk how to react to it without stirring s$@t

[silent steeple]

Im all for it. Gimme the 🍵

[warped wren]

I feel bad for Dr3ad. Brilliantly creative w.r.t. the ARPG space but his main game betrayed all his hopes and dreams

tough situation

[jade jackal]

i sort of dont wanna open it up because well, he has contributed A LOT to the game IMO over the years

like, i respect the work he has put in as a content creator and a theorycrafter

But im just confused to how quick this whole situation turned from divorcing LE to coming back to it, before the season even ended

And, don't get me wrong, im happy he is back making LE content, i prefer him doing that than not

[warped wren]

I have no idea and don't know why tbh maybe he just has the itch again

I was planning to skip this poe1 league but here I am back at it

happens

[jade jackal]

im still waiting for EHG to give me a good enough reason to play S4, honestly

a node here, a unique there, cool

but 2 seasons worth of wait should come with game altering, fundemental changes

I am not entering a nearly identical endgame loop i had since season 2

[fierce moth]

I entered endgame loop too much in 1.1 so I'm burned out seriously

I think the fun of le is from endgame only

Campaign is just something boring I must play if I want to jump in endgame before masteries reset was here

But none of campaign in ARPG I played interests me after played that over 2 times so it's not a big deal 🤔

[twilit mountain]

I'm not entering the nearly identical, unsatisfying loop I've been playing since 2020

[jade jackal]

The weaver system added some spice

but im not finding much joy in it

[twilit mountain]

Not enough. It's just echoes with bigger numbers. Didn't even bring like, actual bosses or any actual new playable content.

[jade jackal]

much of it feels like chores

you have to find consumeables to defeat a trivial level, to then access a crafting station

[twilit mountain]

The weaver tree is like PoE atlas progression except unlike that the benefits you get are almost entirely numerical or "drop this item more often" instead of actually changing how you approach the game.

[jade jackal]

my joy from the game comes from build crafting, but more work has to be done in order for me to "discover" stuff

one of those is having nodes and passives actually work

[warped wren]

the whole game is trivial tbh

kinda why I just logged off

you can take a literal nonsense random junk build and take it into "high corruption" as the devs define it

absolute joke

[jade jackal]

The recent skill statistics kind of put a mirror in front of EHG to the nature of how people utilize their systems

[twilit mountain]

Oh no, you don't understand uh... They have a transitional period from the purchase, yeah, that's it. Before that? Uhhhh.... time pressure, yeah yeah that's it. Wdym before that? Or the almost 6 years of beta? Uhm.... it was a beta, it's okay for things to be bugged or unfinished :)))

[jade jackal]

I was excited for skill sigils, or the idea of skill sigils, because I thought to myself "finally, we are throwing some wild cards into builds"

Just, anything that can break the monotony of build crafting

ill wait for the patch notes, but the fact most skills remain relatively inactive, and far less than viable to build on, with lack of powerful synergies and supporting item affixes isnt making me too optimistic

[twilit mountain]

Hi Cyborg, welcome to slander hour (I'm one of the slanderers)

[warped wren]

it'll just be more power creep and nothing much at all to do with it

[placid yarrow]

I'll play S4 and S5 but I'm really waiting for the expansion tbh, a lot of the things I fundementally want changed seem to be slated for the expansion. Just sucks it's so far away

[jade jackal]

I don't mind waiting for the exp

but this season gap was 7 months, what would it take for 2 additional major patches?

[warped wren]

can't be slander if it's true

💀

[placid yarrow]

I mean I don't either, I have other things to play in the meantime, I'll play current seasons for a week or two still. I still enjoy playing my build and doing the new content / seeing if I can make my build any better or not

[warped wren]

insane to cook expansions for a game that's so underbaked that if it were a pie recipe, the chicken wouldn't even have laid the eggs for it yet

[placid yarrow]

I mean it's an "expansion", they can call it whatever

Afaik we still don't even know if it's gonna cost anything even for people who don't have the game already

This isn't the same as the D4 expansion at all in my eyes

[jade jackal]

Whenever a system to inject stats onto items is introduced, the first question I have for Mike, or just in general is "So, what is the craziest outcome of this system?". My hope is to get something that will hook me onto "unlocking" gameplay I have yet to meet. Not just numbers go up

[placid yarrow]

As far as I'm concerned it's just a "super season"

[twilit mountain]

Biggest insult of it imo is pushing the remaining chapters as some grand aspect of the "expansion" as if that shouldn't have been in the game from the damn start

[jade jackal]

last chapters will drop before the exp

story will wrap up before Orobyss

[twilit mountain]

No, they're slated for the expansion lmao

[jade jackal]

I was under the impression they will drop on season 5, two chapters in one go

[jade jackal]

at least of this part of "the story so far"

[placid yarrow]

afaik they'll under the expansion

[jade jackal]

oh

[placid yarrow]

this is s5

[twilit mountain]

Absolutely wild handling

[jade jackal]

Well, at least the holiday season this year will see enough accumilative changes for me to dive back

[placid yarrow]

Personally I don't care about the campaign, as far as I'm concerned they could just say we're gonna call it at act 10 and it wouldn't really bother me tbh

[jade jackal]

I had more fun playing this newest chapter than the rest of the story

maybe because of the new zones

Maybe because I am forced to go through half of it on each season start to get to the end

[sand wigeon]

that's crazy

[placid yarrow]

I think the expansion is basically what should have been 1.0. you can call it 2.0 or whatever you want. I don't personally care about "full release" or whatever other tag you want to give it

[sand wigeon]

the campaign is the whole reason i bought the game and they didn't deliver

even with 1.0, the "finished" version of the game

imo that's a straight up scam

[placid yarrow]

I mean, would it have been better if the game just stayed in early access even now until orobyss dropped and then that'd be 1.0? what actual tangible difference would it have made?

to me it makes none

[sand wigeon]

i mean yeah that would be better

[placid yarrow]

Honestly I don't disagree, it would have avoided a lot of drama. But it might also have created drama of its own since the game would've been in early access for even longer than it already had been

people were already complaining about how long it was in early access back then

so I think there's pros and cons

at the end of the day though nothing about the gameplay or content itself would've changed which is why I don't really care. they can call / make any version of the game anything for all I care

[jade jackal]

story is just one of many disorganized pillars of LE

[placid yarrow]

I just really hope the echo changes in the expansion will make the system good. I've never really liked it

[jade jackal]

The only reason i keep "giving chances" to LE is because I still find it a fun game. not as heavily replayable as i wish, but i can still extract fun out of it

There are so many things i wish LE would treat, and endgame systems and story isn't the half of it lol

But we are in 2026, and im generally growing a lot less patient to games I have given 20 chances to

[placid yarrow]

Idk I don't really get that perspective. You already own the game, and from the looks of it you'll continue to get the seasonal content for free. So there's no price to pay for just waiting. It's not like if you wait a year or two and come back you'll have to buy 100 bucks worth of stuff to play again (assuming nothing changes). I don't really get why you'd ever "give up" on something that while it might not reach the standard needed for you to enjoy it, is still slowly improving and might one day reach it

[warped wren]

sure feels like early access even now lmao

I have actually played early access games in much better shape than this ngl

[placid yarrow]

Like I haven't played poe in a long time now, but It's not like i've "given up" on it. I still look at the trailers and if it interests me I'll just jump back in, if not I won't

[jade jackal]

ive put PoE2 on ice

[placid yarrow]

What I really need is the next major stoneshard update sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh

[sand wigeon]

i take issue with them not finishing the story before other stuff

[placid yarrow]

that thing is looking juiced

[sand wigeon]

especially since in the years of them not finishing the story they haven't added anything meaningful

the biggest update in the last years was the broken faction system and the multiplayer

[placid yarrow]

That's a totally valid take, I'm of the stance that I'd rather they delay the story as long as it takes for the endgame to be in a good state

[warped wren]

I actually don't understand where their dev hours go

[placid yarrow]

it all depends on what content you enjoy tbh

[warped wren]

Story? not happening. Content? Barely dripfed in. Level design? Some, some of it nice. New classes or skills? Barely any. Bugs? Alive and thriving for years. Balance? LMFAO.

[placid yarrow]

Check out these wands 🔥

Also finally getting legendaries and the enchant rework

It's gonna be lit

[jade jackal]

Me neither, but im treading carefully in that regards. Im assuming it goes into something big we have yet to see

im also getting a lot of taste of how just powerful and effective is having experienced workhorse veterans in your team

[placid yarrow]

Mike has said he's been working on orobyss stuff for like the past year iirc, So maybe that's where a lot of their time has gone

[jade jackal]

seeing fresh companies based on these people shows me how tremendously effective they are at contributing to their game

[warped wren]

honestly that doesn't make it an iota better but whatever. Who knows, maybe they pull off some insane miracle and fix all the bugs and balance all the classes and create a real endgame and end world hunger while they're at it

[jade jackal]

Yeah, even if they work on the big 2027 update

like, guys, don't let the trail die before you reach Oregon

[solemn harness]

tempted to start calling Orobyss Oregon instead

and yeah I don't really know where most of their dev time goes either, pitch drop experiment vibes

[jade jackal]

we're just ride or die players

the problem is that we're not sure who is the one going to die

[placid yarrow]

Time to relearn exapunks for the third time because I keep playing until like halfway through and then taking too long of a break so I forget too much x)

[neon sigil]

Stoneshard? :0
I played the game ages ago worth it now?

[placid yarrow]

I'd say so

[neon sigil]

thats almost a third of my brawlhalla hours

[placid yarrow]

It has a lot of replayability imo

[neon sigil]

That's awesome.
I was worried cause it was really barebones once you left the demo area whenI played

[placid yarrow]

Each individual run doesn't take very long, but there's tons of different combinations you can play

Did you have a paper map you had to have in your inventory last you played?

[neon sigil]

I think so?
Last time I played was a few months after they released ea.

[placid yarrow]

Oh yeah

it's come a long way since

it had a really big update at the end of 2024 that changed a ton

The map is way bigger, you get to have your own caravan, basically a mobile base. dungeons got completely reworked, way more enemies, items etc

[placid yarrow]

Insane improvement x)

[placid yarrow]

Smh they're trying to contain my genius

lmao

more than 5x increase in size for a less than 2% speed gain ez

I legit have no clue how you can get it under 200

Apparently I've done it in the past lmao

I've been enlightened

OK

we're in the big leagues now

at this point the optimizations are pure cheese I feel lmao

I'm a god

[warped wren]

man, I just spent like 6d swapping to Celestial Brace + Unstoppable Hero setup, thinking I'd only lose a bit of damage and gain tank, ended up losing like nearly a quarter for just a bit of extra phys maxhit

sadge

[placid yarrow]

the size limitation is scamming me

I could go further beyond if it weren't for it

[fierce moth]

I completed that just now :)

[stone anvil]

pretty cool

[fierce moth]

A new lumbar pillow. Hah my back feels better a lot when I lay on the bad mattress with that 🎉

[placid yarrow]

I couldn't resist any longer

[placid yarrow]

We're gaming

[jade jackal]

whats this

[placid yarrow]

Stoneshard

great game

[jade jackal]

A few red flags on the steam page, but otherwise looks cool

[placid yarrow]

I'd just download the demo and see if you enjoy how it plays. the actual game is very different from the demo but it does give you an idea about how the core systems function at least

Not sure what's really wrong with the store page tbh

[junior oyster]

The roguelike aspect is definitely a nope from me

[placid yarrow]

Eh it's really not one tbh

well idk I guess it depends on what you'd call a roguelike

you can play softcore and save

there's also no meta progression or anything

I'd just call it an rpg

It's also not like the "runs" are short or anything, a character can take like 50 hours + to max out

[jovial bane]

Stoneshard has maybe only difficulty in common with more traditional roguelikes

It's really an open world, dungeon crawler RPG

[placid yarrow]

Yep

[fierce moth]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2713000/Resonance_A_Plague_Tale_Legacy/
emmmm... Belong to focus entertainment but it's quite quiet on their side

I want to learn more but...

I want to know how hard will gameplay be so I can decide can I play that or not

The latest news about this game studio is May.23th, 2024 emmm...

Ok they're hiring so this studio still here, glad to hear that

[junior oyster]

Ok brimstone doesn't seem to be as good in sts2

That makes sense but kinda sucks too

[fierce moth]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/752590/A_Plague_Tale_Innocence/
emmmm.. Find this game after followed the clue of asobo studio, hear that for the first time but it was a popular narrative-driven adventure game in 2019?

The last story-rich adventure game I played is layers of fear, played that in 2023...lol

alright it's not include in game pass but requiem does

[junior oyster]

Very nice

[placid yarrow]

Didn't expect to like the necrobinder so much tbh, it has super good cycling

Borrowed time and neurosurge are just op

I did have a duration of like 3 fights where I was on 5 hp so I couldn't really play them and that was a bit of a struggle but we pulled through since I have so much block generation

Playing ethereal almost feels like playing an easier regent lmao

[junior oyster]

It took me a few tries before I finally got my win on her and regent

[placid yarrow]

Regent took me a while but this was my first necrobinder run

regent feels so inconsistent but I love it lol

it has so many shitty cards x)

But once you get it going you really get it going

This is still my strongest run yet

[junior oyster]

I'm on a8 with ironclad

The rest are a1

[placid yarrow]

I'm on A5 with the defect

[junior oyster]

Going to grind all of them one by one to 10

[placid yarrow]

and A4 on ironclad

[junior oyster]

Order of first one showing up in the game

[placid yarrow]

yea I'm just jumping around, playing whatever I feel like

[junior oyster]

Yea fair

I did the same thing in monster train 1 and 2 lol

[placid yarrow]

Monster train was good fun

[junior oyster]

Yea I don't know if it's ocd or something but I usually have to do things or have things in a certain order 😂

[gilded elm]

Cool looking voxel game: https://store.steampowered.com/app/3495730/Lucid_Blocks/

I feel like I need to be on acid to play this lmao

[sand wigeon]

oh yeah that game’s cool

[gilded elm]

You played it?

Looks like Minecraft played through the lens of LSD lol

Might grab it just to support the dev, it's a really cool idea

[warped wren]

a pack of porcupines did what possessed Remembered or turbo juiced Feared did not...

[sand wigeon]

watched some gameplay and decided i didn't want to see more so it was a surprise when i play it

[gilded elm]

Nice, good call lol

I just grabbed it, who knows when I'll get around to playing it :P

[fierce moth]

lol that's quite fun tbh... It's amazing to watch multiple streams together

The question is I don't know which game and which streamer should I watch. It depend on... Exploring frequently, yes

I open a gate of new world now 😂

I think the best way for me is mute all of streams and just watch what are they doing

[sand wigeon]

it's useful if you're watching esports

[fierce moth]

🤔 This is the new dlc?

It's included in a bundle so it's less money need to pay, cool

[placid yarrow]

This will not stand

[fierce moth]

They're perfect alter choice for replacing monster energy punch series so I can save more money, well done

200ml per can mean I can drink one can without pressures too.

Just zero caffeine. But I don't care caffeine now

(It's more healthy on the other side)

I tried blood orange, passionfruit and pink grapefruit already, very good so far

[ebon meadow]

Nice name for a product in current year

I have a crap substitute for monster to and it has a loooot more flavours to and less fizzy witch is good for my stomach

[desert jasper]

Oh man
I had forgotten how much I hate the boss in burial chambers

[fierce moth]

Dragonkin release 1.0 now

Don't play that for a while... Time to check it again

[jade jackal]

I never got to try it

i just saw "Nacon" and ran away in fear

[fierce moth]

hah ok. Lemon & lime is the most plain one and close to soda water the most.

Lemonade, glass bottle version is better than that a lot

Lemon & Lime ❎
Passionfruit ✅
Blood orange ✅
Pink grapefruit ✅

[junior oyster]

TIL you can rename your 'This PC'

Changed it to My PC because Microslop can go play with traffic

[stone anvil]

this looks cute ayaya

I was expecting menacing more serious monster KEKW

[desert jasper]

Honestly I can't take that too seriously

I guess it's better than trying to make it look menacing
but it's just... face hole

[obtuse rune]

Wait until you hear them.

Can confirm, they're mean, too

[desert jasper]

It better not sound like me after eating taco bell

[obtuse rune]

I'd hope not..? <_<

[desert jasper]

But I am looking forward to it

[candid sage]

why tf is it snowing mid march

i purposely left the north because of this

[desert jasper]

I remember some years ago we got snow in the middle of June
.. well, "some years ago"
It's probably over a decade ago now

[fierce moth]

do you want them become your pets?

[fierce moth]

Can we get that hand as one of emoji or stickers in this server?

The hand that calls chip

I wonder which pose will chip show if it's here

Maybe it can replace hand poses from default emoji (cook a series)

Highfive is the only hand pose. Too less.

(I guess it can take EHG 0.5-1 year to do that... lol it's a massive task exactly)

[junior oyster]

Not having reaper any more kinda sucks

Makes running a10 a bit scarier with a self-harm build

[pine summit]

https://kotaku.com/subnautica-2-ted-gill-unknown-worlds-lawsuit-krafton-2000679131

[real kayak]

https://courts.delaware.gov/Opinions/Download.aspx?id=392880

"As Unknown Worlds prepared to release its hotly anticipated sequel, Subnautica 2, the parties’ relationship fractured. Internal projections showed the new title generating significant revenue that would easily trigger the earnout. Fearing he had agreed to a “pushover” contract, Krafton’s CEO consulted an artificial intelligence chatbot to contrive a corporate “takeover” strategy."

wow

[gilded elm]

The ChatGPT part is old news, but the reinstatement is fresh. Good for them, glad the evidence came out in their favor tbh.

Looks like Krafton is probably as bad as they seem, doesn't bode well for LE either :P

@muted schooner Dude https://youtu.be/-N3M9YA8CUI

[neon sigil]

twink items are kinda insane now, I'm lvl 9.

[twilit mountain]

Mageblood is the best twink item xdd

[neon sigil]

xdd don't you have to be like lvl 50 for that or smth

[twilit mountain]

Yeah but those last 5 acts are gonna be a breeze xdd

[gilded elm]

Shared from my work chat, lol'd

[jade jackal]

The bad news isnt about having an incompetent leadership with Krafton

The hammer will swing in the direction of Krafton's studios after having to pay that sum

Im not too happy about "cost cut plans" after that payment

[gilded elm]

EHG could end up paying the price for Unknown Worlds' payout, yeah. Not through the fault of either, of course, it seems that blame is squarely on Krafton.

[jade jackal]

And now, with a legal stamp on it

We're leaving the speculation zone

You know, maybe someone with true love for this genre can secure an IP transfer for a fair sum

[gilded elm]

Unless Krafton somehow manages to sabotage Subnautica 2 so bad that UW can't meet their bonus payout threshold, I wouldn't be surprised if Krafton is going to be looking for ways to cost cost.

[desert jasper]

Oh, apparently GGG is putting out a patch that improves the atlas UI and also new wished (including ones that give coins directly)

Not yet but hoping to release later this week

[junior stirrup]

Ooh, from where is that news?

[desert jasper]

Saw it on reddit

[desert jasper]

https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/s/BzzNYnnBDv

[fierce moth]

🤔 They don't have much time to reach the goal

[junior stirrup]

I see, GGG-tracker channel didn't surface it, just on the website.

[fierce moth]

Their titles in d2 don't mean so much for players indeed

[desert jasper]

Yeah, I guess
Tbh I don't use reddit, just saw it being linked on mathil's discord

[desert jasper]

not sure what you mean?

[fierce moth]

I mean Hersik maybe right

[desert jasper]

Yea but what about their titles?

[fierce moth]

Titles

[desert jasper]

I'd hardly say those are titles

[fierce moth]

I should use reputations?

[junior stirrup]

Studio history, credentials, lineage? 😄

Reputation doesn't quite impart the right vibe, feels more about notoriety/infamy - seldom has a positive connotation.

[fierce moth]

🫡 Big achievements in a young age... We're the same age, it's ridiculous

Lineage sounds the best :)

[jovial bane]

that's quite bad considering it's the minimum sum. Usually kickstarters have strech goals for X amount over what they ask for

[desert jasper]

Honestly I just don't think it'll be that good
with all environments destructible and just procedual generation it all

[hollow rapids]

anyone interested in following the Krafton - Subnautica lawsuit...

https://kotaku.com/subnautica-2-ted-gill-unknown-worlds-lawsuit-krafton-2000679131

[silent steeple]

A lil bit unrelated but the mayor of new york is literally 34 years old

[jade jackal]

Seeing Darkhaven not reach the kickstarter goal sucks

but the market is tired, low on budget

and seeks stability

This is 0 for 2 in this genre just this year, with Carbon being the other

Also Summit1G is not 26 lol

This bio is 12 years old

[silent steeple]

Btw has anyone here tried Dragonkin?

[jovial bane]

I think it's also because people genuinely don't want just "another Diablo 2". PoE1 exists, nevermind even D2R

And the game had demo on steam, I don't think it made people exactly confident in it

[jade jackal]

Well, none of those are another Diablo 2

That's the sad part

Last Epoch has more Diablo 2 in it than them, and most other current titles imo

[jovial bane]

on top of that I think Ashes of Creation drama is partially to blame as well

when one of the biggest kickstarter campaigns turned out to be a scam

oof

[jade jackal]

Every crowdfunded game that fails spectacularly definitely doesnt help

You break trust

But AoC is very different than Carbon or DarkHaven

both of these have very strong, solid demos

[jovial bane]

and people remember broken campaigns more than successes like idk. DOS2

[jade jackal]

proof that the people behind them know what they are doing

AoC was... sort of always broken

[jovial bane]

well yeah, it pretty much was a scam

[twilit mountain]

AoC was a rugpull and I'll die on that hill

[jade jackal]

I think that if Dark Haven would have come out to Kickstarter about 2 years ago, it would have been fully funded there 4 times over

Maybe 3

[jovial bane]

yup

was Last Epoch on kickstarter ? I don't remember

[jade jackal]

Yes, user colors here are all kickstarter fund ranks

[jovial bane]

I think it was ?

[twilit mountain]

It was yeah

Long ago now

[jade jackal]

I usually throw money at promising projects, hoping not to see it come back at the end of the KS campeign if the premise is strong

[desert jasper]

That is the correct take on it

[jade jackal]

ive jammed a healthy sum at Dark Haven, but it seems like its not going to happen

Now, its not like the game will live or die on 500K USD, you do not fund a game with this pocket change

[jovial bane]

correct

[jade jackal]

but if you could, you would than have easier time getting capital, using it as proof of player interest

[jovial bane]

Exactly my thoughts. I think some of the kickstarter fiascos (AoC being most recent big ones) causing chilling effect is a factor. But at the same time I think the audience for the game is really not there

[jade jackal]

Some game devs take a different approach, they use their connection, get capital from industry friends

Jeff Kaplan's game is like that

they are making it a relatively featureful alpha, they have Dreamhaven behind them

so the springboard is much larger, straight onto early access

[jovial bane]

tbf Jeff Kaplan is quite a name as well, it's not random dude

[jade jackal]

Him and his friends

Its a bunch of highest gaming industry experience veteranship

[jovial bane]

cough Mighty Number 9 fiasco

[jade jackal]

their demo is already polished to an amazing grade

[desert jasper]

Kinda related
but I hate how some new games are advertised like "from the studio that made game that was popular ages ago"
but none of the people who worked on that game are there anymore

[jovial bane]

Good old pirate software classic

TBH veterans of X studio tells me nothing

I've seen the game advertised as such crash and burn so many time I'm not trusting that label unless it was some kind of lead

[desert jasper]

Yup
Even Mighty Number 9
I don't actually remember who they advertised as the big guy that worked on... megaman?
but didn't it turn out that he wasn't even in a big role for those games or something

And then the "from same studio that made fallout new vegas" (just ignore none of the people who worked on NV are there anymore)

[jovial bane]

Hilariously enough darkhaven mentions "also hellgate london".
The game that was hyped to be an aRPG from Diablo veterans only to flop incredibly hard

[jade jackal]

The demo isn't bad

[desert jasper]

Tbh at least for darkhaven on their site it does actually go more into detail about who worked on it and what games they worked on earlier

[jade jackal]

I participated from the start and have generally good impressions

Do I think they over rely on d2 nostalgia in marketing? Yes

[fierce moth]

Good reminder, download that now

[silent steeple]

Let me know how u liked it plz...wanna give it a shot but at the same time don't wanna add another game to my backlogs

[desert jasper]

What was Dragonkin again?

[jovial bane]

some new aRPG, but idk the details other than it just came out

[jovial bane]

that's good to hear

[desert jasper]

Ah, I see
arpg

[solemn harness]

dragonkin looked interesting, I watched aaron play it for like an hour

[desert jasper]

Tbh I'm not even sure why I'm awake now
it's almost 4am

[twilit mountain]

It launched in a really rough sttate but is suppsoedly much better now

[fierce moth]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1863430/Dragonkin_The_Banished/
10% sale now

[jade jackal]

huh, didnt know they added system specs to reviews on steam, cool

[fierce moth]

🫡 It's a lie

Oh my fault. Fixed

But it still show mouse and keyboard only through I'm using controller

[hollow rapids]

https://www.icy-veins.com/last-epoch/news/krafton-delaware-ruling-earnout-success-risk-last-epoch/

here's the article i just finished on it.

[fierce moth]

Quite fun... I stay in dragonkin server 1 year and 3 months but just know I can't post pictures...A bit speechless for the moderation

@silent steeple Can you accept long runs between quest locations like long paths and twist alleys in a loot-based ARPG?

[silent steeple]

Well...these cant be as bad a ds2 run backs so sure I guess

[fierce moth]

ds2?

[silent steeple]

Dark souls 2. Arguably worst runbacks between boss and save points 😂

But wait! So these are one time quests or daily/repeatable quests?

[fierce moth]

It's linear, no run back, just pure long distances

My guessing for the reason of this design in dragonkin is let us kill more enemies but... It's quite boring for me tbh

[silent steeple]

Ahhh thats interesting

How did u like the gameplay tho

[placid yarrow]

Out-kayled

[jade jackal]

only if it will animate a buffed Falconer

Happy to see EHG is hiring for this very important role

[fierce moth]

Find my memory back now.

How much can you accept repeat enemies and repeat environment decides how long can you go.

I mentioned long paths and twist alleys and I'm not a fan of that before because they're bonus the time I must stay in a biome. Every biome in dragonkin is giant so you must take some time to do long runs, it forced me to play the same content for a long time.

The other shortage overwhelming maps brought is same enemies. They're just spilt to a few squads in regular position and surround you when you pass. There's a dungeon in story which max shortages above.

The dungeon requires you to kill waves of waves enemies in the same dungeon to fill the bar and it will take you 1h or longer to do that, it's where I left dragonkin last time.

Back to pros, I enjoyed the management of hexagonal grids and assign points to different attributes balance my offense and defense.

The most exclusive feature of this game is town upgrades and wrymling. Town upgrades mean each location owns a passive tree to get more bonus to do advanced craftings, get more buff for your pet etc.

Wrymling is your pet, you can select one only but 5 types available. It's as equal as a minion which never die and help your damage anytime.

If you can't accept repeat contents for a long time, dragonkin don't worth to play. I think it's the main reason why this game is unpopular...

[fierce moth]

I have connected with him

He posted that after the post about "EHG hiring a lead environment artist"

[silent steeple]

it will take you 1h or longer to do that
An hour long dungeon?

[fierce moth]

I deal with that 1h and I just reach 45% last time, consider you're more experienced, you can do that faster

[placid yarrow]

Can you save your progress mid way and exit or do you have to do the entire thing in one go?

[fierce moth]

Oh good call. I'll try that

[jovial bane]

hmm, Im reading the LE post

I think the new supporter pack skins look better ?

Especially Vanquisher and Legend. Thoughts ?

[vagrant topaz]

Thots

[fierce moth]

Oh the 2nd time took me 9 mins only to fill the bar, good. But the process will not save, I must start from zero again after I come back @silent steeple

[desert jasper]

They do look better imo, yes

[fierce moth]

They fixed the dungeon well, cool

[fierce moth]

Chip 🤘

[vagrant topaz]

I just watched the videos (didn't have time yesterday)

They look really good

Big fan of the vanquisher

The eclipse line is my jam

[jovial bane]

ohh the eclipsed portal looks so good

wraithblade set looks meh, but the portal, roll, footsteps and pet are great

[fierce moth]

I'm a fan of chip only but it's in legend only so I can give it up only

It's enough to buy a new decent game which close to 3a level on environment art like little nightmares or layers of fear

Later, later, later. Let's see.

[jovial bane]

Chip is cool, but I don't like the legend tier that much personally

Vanquisher looks like sweet spot for me

[fierce moth]

Chip is genius🤘

But it's too expensive to buy that pack for chip only

[desert jasper]

What's Chip?

[desert jasper]

I see

[jovial bane]

fractured mr hand, or handy

idk how it was called in og english

the hand from Adams Family

[fierce moth]

Damn I dislike this point so much. Many rare (divine) materials available in certain difficulty only. It mean I can't craft many divine gears & weapons unless I master at dragonkin...

I'm bad at difficulty quite much so I can't enjoy this part :(

I want to replace fire damage with electric damage :(

[fierce moth]

Quite linear their campaign is. It's follows "some dialogue -> go to a biome -> take a long run to find something and kill enemies which blocks your way (maybe unlock one or two portals plus)-> go back to town -> some dialogue again" cerntainly

As similar as the boring level of campaign in tq 2

[desert jasper]

That's how most arpg quests are
go there, kill monsters, return for reward

[fierce moth]

hah... That's too boring. I prefer many small encounters adds in campaign like poe

Deal with quests all the time is easy to feel tired

[desert jasper]

Yeah see
even in poe the quests are like that
go to location x, kill a bunch of monsters. Sometimes it involves picking up a thing or two and interacting with a door and then when you return to the npc there's a reward

Sure you don't need to do most of the quests

Arpgs revolve around killing monsters after all

[fierce moth]

This mode require too less power for thinking, which it's sleepy

Figure out why I like endgame only now

[desert jasper]

Yeah, most of them shine in the end game

[mental talon]

Man this POE league has been an absolute blast for me ngl, feels damn good.

[desert jasper]

I'm probably logging in again after I've finished cooking

[mental talon]

I feel that. I've been very happy with Atlas + endgame changes. Obviouslt it has bumps but the foundation this builds at least for me is phenomenal tbh despite the issues I have that are easily solveable

[desert jasper]

I kinda hate that you need to find eldritch invitations and special maps
and even where to turn in the key for the vault

[mental talon]

Yeah for sure, I think that those kinds of maps should just be accesible points that you can start from if you get the Unique drop and work your way outwards or something tbh

[desert jasper]

Also do unique maps have craft recipes in them?

[mental talon]

Like if it's an accessibility point sure, but if I find a Unique map just let me start there and work backwards if I want

[mental talon]

Yeah the "OG" maps still have like Multimod etc.

[desert jasper]

Nothing in Grandhamsters, right?

I broke to t14 maps yesterday
first one I corrupted went t15 with no mana regen, health or es regen
And I can't exactly do that as manaman

[junior oyster]

Damn they really went and downgraded the graphics huh https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZ60vkCH-o4

Also digital foundry getting hated on. I know people may have disagreed with them before but damn I think this is the first time they got hit bad

[desert jasper]

Holy shit I hate Silence

Really shouldn't even run the ghost ritual because it feels like there's always silence
all day every day

[desert jasper]

That's 2 tier 15s with can't regen life, mana or es

[desert jasper]

Also I'm kinda starting to feel like time for reroll
But no idea what I'd even roll
don't have that high amount of currency

[placid yarrow]

Man get off of me yuumi wtf let me draw something

[abstract karma]

Blurry as hell and solution ? make it fake..

This is just sad not lazy, sad.. That somebody try sells it as "graphic output" and mostly as future standard..

[jovial bane]

nah, it will be blurry as hell as well as looking like AI slop 🤣

[twilit mountain]

I can spare you some reds (T14-16s easy) if you need em.

[desert jasper]

I am on my way rolling a new character

[twilit mountain]

Lmao fair

[desert jasper]

Poison holy relic this time

[twilit mountain]

I'm hoping I had some sales while I was asleep and can just go buy MB when I get up

Oh real, that's a good build

[desert jasper]

Got some of the gear ready for it
no svalinn though
I could sell my manaman gear I guess
But I'll first get this to maps and then see
Got to sleep soon though and tomorrow it's time for doctor visit

[twilit mountain]

Is Svalinn giga expensive again? Also good luck with doc tomorrow

[desert jasper]

No idea
And honestly it's just regular diabetes checkup so he's gonna complain about some things with the glucose and check on some things

[twilit mountain]

70d+ so, pretty expensive

I think my father deals with those kinds of appointments now

[desert jasper]

Yeah 70d is way too much for me
Tbh I'm more worried about the eye doctor visit later this month
because then he'll decide if my left eye needs to be poked with a needle

[twilit mountain]

Eh? Why are they poking your eyes with needles?

[desert jasper]

Because diabetes can cause things you don't want in your eye
that if it spreads it'll cause glaucoma

[twilit mountain]

Oh. I did not know that

[desert jasper]

Can also cause more veins growing in your eyes and you don't want that either and that gets treated with laser

Honestly the idea of getting needles anywhere near my eyes is terrifying

And apparently even the laser will be painful for some days after it

[twilit mountain]

Yeah no that makes sense. Sheesh. I do not envy you, mate

[desert jasper]

At least I'll get it for a reasonable price

[desert jasper]

Anyway, got to act 3
guess I should get some sleep and then grind more tomorrow morning before the doc visit
Get to see the new hospital for first time

[twilit mountain]

Ah yeah, can get my MB now

[warped wren]

[junior stirrup]

^ Quite a few changes in the coming patch, it seems 😄

[twilit mountain]

Yeah, I paid extra to get the foil I like.

[warped wren]

as always

[ebon meadow]

the colors are amazin , just saying

[twilit mountain]

Always gotta get the purple-y one, it's law

[desert jasper]

Sweet
Lost shipment things can be opened with dmg
Just earlier had a map with 2

Anyway, back to bed
Woke up to some truck sounds 😴

[ebon meadow]

yep defenetly no sleeping shedule messed here 1 am and having dinner 🙂

i blmae the weather this 2 weeks xdd

[fierce moth]

lol moon beast game know darkhaven maybe can't reach the goal too so they posted an announcement to encourage people support this game

[fierce moth]

🤔 Which new games will be revealed on that by sharing trailers and maybe dev stories plus on pax?

Hope they have great fun.

That's very close for Americans or Canadians

I can join in Weplay expo only (Last year is Nov. 21-22th, not sure this year)

My lord... The exhibition hall of pax 2025 is giant

[sand wigeon]

is there a brown one

[sand wigeon]

that’s not close at all to the majority of americans and canadians

i think you forget it can take weeks to travel across america or canada by car

[twilit mountain]

That's like, a 8 to 12 hour drive for us lol

[sand wigeon]

that’s like saying the uk is close to china lol

yeah day trip.

[real charm]

https://www.gamedeveloper.com/business/krafton-to-invest-1-billion-into-south-korea-defense-company-partnered-with-the-u-s-navy

[desert jasper]

Nice
Got a divine drop from random cocoon in belly of the beast

[desert jasper]

Also I had completely forgotten that holy relic of conviction allows you to have 2 of them out by default
had been running with only 1 for a while
soon getting 3rd one

[desert jasper]

The new hospital in the city has pretty confusing layout

[jade jackal]

This Masayoshi Takanaka rendition of the Balatro OST is one of the reasons is choose to get up in the morning, guys
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tksJbDi38tQ
Its so peak, and moddable into the game

[junior oyster]

Finally done with clad

[desert jasper]

gg

[junior oyster]

Anyway that was a struggle

[mental talon]

I'll be there with you in April or so once I'm done with the current league.

[junior oyster]

Take your time 🤣

[desert jasper]

Finally got to 100% poison chance on the holy relic

[gusty oriole]

Guys, is there any rpg were there is no shit going on and there is no invasion whatsoever and were there is no war cause it was after a great war and everyone is recuperating and building up stuff and your character just put shit on fire and bring the war earlier than expected?

[desert jasper]

Honestly none come to my mind right now

[junior oyster]

Real life

But not my char for sure 🤣

[desert jasper]

Didn't know real life was an rpg

[junior oyster]

I know but it's the closest I could think of regarding the scenario they gave lol

[sand wigeon]

Cultist Simulator, Book of Hours, Blue Prince, Dishonored: Death of the Outsider, Metro, No Man's Sky, Red Dead Redemption, Roadwarden, Sunless Sea and Everhood all follow this or a similar plot line.

To varying degrees of "RPG," though.

I would say the closest to following that one for one is Blue Prince, Sunless Sea and Everhood.

@twilit mountain does that seem about right for the ones I listed?

[twilit mountain]

You know like, way more on all of these than I do

[sand wigeon]

i also meant like. any you can think of

[twilit mountain]

Oh dude I have no idea lmao

[abstract karma]

Disnohored is in lore where wars and pleagues doom of countries are daily bread
Metro - literally after atomic apocalypse

[jovial bane]

does Disco Elysium count ? 🤔

[sand wigeon]

No, the conflict is still ongoing

[sand wigeon]

That's... Exactly why they fit

In Dishonored Death of the Outsider specifically, the one I specified, the countries have generally come closer to peace. There is no immediate major conflict happening, but you play as Billie, ||who goes on to cause conflict by seperating the immediate link between the material plane and the Void, who is the Outsider.||

In Metro, the war has already happened, and the tunnels are going closer to peace but thanks to the actions of Artyom he inflames things again by uncovering hidden secrets.

[junior oyster]

I think Silent might be my new fav

[jovial bane]

Silent was my fav until Necrobinder

the souls going brrr are so addicting

[silent steeple]

Unrelated to what was asked and I forget the lore but wasn't there an active revolution going on in this universe?

[sand wigeon]

Yeah lol

[silent steeple]

I never got to finish that game

[sand wigeon]

The setting is still mid revolution when Disco Elysium takes place

[jovial bane]

it was a failed revolution iirc

[sand wigeon]

Technically

[jovial bane]

devs even described it as post apocalypse

but not the traditional end of the world we think of

[sand wigeon]

It’s not over though

Disco Elysium is based entirely on post-soviet industrialist nations

[jovial bane]

yeah, it has remnants of it

[sand wigeon]

No, it’s actively continuing

[jovial bane]

well yeah, devs being Estonian likely have something to do with it

[sand wigeon]

The game takes place mid revolution

Your character is implied to join it, too

Blue Prince is by far the closest match

Story spoilers: ||You play as Simon, heir of Mount Holly, a large estate left by your family Sinclair to you. It’s a massive puzzle manor where you will be gifted the inheritance after finding the secret 46th room, though it quickly becomes apparent there are deeper secrets in Mount Holly. The country you live in was recently taken over by the — using shortened names for simplicity sake — Red Realm, and it becomes clear early on that Mount Holly is directly tied to pieces of a political revolution of the Blue Realm, the color of your realm before the take over. As you play Simon, you slowly learn that you’re the true heir of the Blue Realm, and you take your place as the Blue Prince of Mount Holly and essentially begin a political revolution.||

[jovial bane]

ye, I have not finished Blue Prince but seen enough to agree

The hideout underground fits that bill

[twilit mountain]

Most people playing Blue Prince are still playing Blue Prince

[sand wigeon]

I am still playing Blue Prince because I am not smart enough to solve it

[twilit mountain]

AFAIK there are still undiscovered secrets in it

[sand wigeon]

You are still playing Blue Prince because you like Blue Prince

We are not the same

[sand wigeon]

(Correct)

[jovial bane]

does not help that blue prince scales up exponentially in difficulty

reaching room 46 is basically a tutorial

[sand wigeon]

The difficulty of the game gets easier and easier, the difficulty of the puzzles gets extremely hard

(Clarifying for anyone unfamiliar with the game)

[jovial bane]

yup

although some puzzles were a bit too annoying for my taste

I'm looking at you chess puzzle

[sand wigeon]

i actually rly liked that one

that one felt very intuitive

the castling puzzle is a little obscure tho

i got spoiled on that one but the fact that blue tent memos are the only hints is a little rough

[jovial bane]

the issue I had was, actually chess was not even that bad. Mandela effect, because it was in the room with chessboard

the god damn painting on other hand

[sand wigeon]

oh yeah the painting puzzle

i could not

understand

[jovial bane]

I just hate noting down the entire mansion. I've realised what has to be done and googled the solution

[sand wigeon]

what that weird three tiered thing

was supposed to be

[jovial bane]

Because I'm definitely not doing extra say 10 runs just to note down what paintings are in each room or what chess figures are there xD

[sand wigeon]

mm

[jovial bane]

also the electricity "puzzle" is kind of annoying

I wish the game had more connector rooms

[sand wigeon]

mm

[placid yarrow]

A wild cat rekt him 🫡

[twilit mountain]

Rest in peace, unnamed chicken

[placid yarrow]

Thank god this fox isn't hungry lol

We ain't risking it

[ebon meadow]

yo what did the fox say ? xdd

[warped wren]

created a not-too-expensive levelling tree on atlas, since my regular farming strats are a bit rippy

pretty good for 1 single map (+ its mirage) I'd say

[twilit mountain]

Meanwhile I got bored and rolled a new character to pass time until I buy Marathon and sell my soul to my new overlords (Bungie's PvP team) in return for adrenaline straight into my veins

[warped wren]

I'm still far from bored

Too many new farms to try

And this build is fun to try and minmax

Not sure if I can reasonably push it beyond 80m dps but let's see

[twilit mountain]

My drive for PoE was already rather low tbf, and I've spent the past two weeks staring at Marathon footage like a heroin addict lol

[warped wren]

It is a cool looking game, even for someone with no idea of the genre

[twilit mountain]

I've played other extraction shooters; hell I have the $120 version of Tarkov lmao. Marathon is exactly what I have wanted from the genre, and to top it off it's made by the company that made my favorite first person shooter and has made, in my opinion, the best gunplay in the entire genre in history.

The hate for Marathon is probably the most forced/manufactured hate I have ever seen. This game has the fkin sauce and you can tell just off of watching it for a few minutes.

[neon sigil]

gull + blunderbore + screams of the dessicated = big

[twilit mountain]

Beeg man

[desert jasper]

You're huge

[junior oyster]

I think it's partially because of how they treated (from the fans perspective) destiny 2

And the other reason is that unfortunately shooter games get compared to concord nowadays

I for one have no interest in pretty much any shooter game so I won't just blatantly hate on it for no reason

[sand wigeon]

we're both destiny 2 fans

[jovial bane]

yup.
This and art direction. Marathon looks unique, but the style is definitely not for everyone.

[junior oyster]

Some or many fans then. I didn't mean to assume all fans lol

[twilit mountain]

Most Destiny fans are dealing with 8+ years of burn out that they won't address for themselves. The majority of the player base has been maining that game for several years and has played it to the point that they genuinely can't have fun in it anymore due to treating it like another job. I don't take them seriously on account of this.

When it comes down to it, Bungie has a very good track record with the game that gets overshadowed by people with insane expectations or simply too much investment into it. They've had far more hits, both in content quality and narrative quality, than they have misses.

They get a lot of flak for vaulting some (extremely old) content, but the unfortunate reality is that it was necessary. Those pieces of content were holding the game back in a myriad of ways, not the least of which is that they were made on a now extremely outdated version of the engine and they straight up would not function if they tried to just put them back in as-is. Not getting into how much file bloat that would cause on a game that already takes up a crazy amount of storage (wild what several years of dense content updates does to a game's size).

[jovial bane]

while I get it from technical standpoint, considering it was paid content that cannot be accessed anymore leaves bad aftertaste in my mouth

[twilit mountain]

Happens all the time, frankly. I don't know why D2 is the time it was singled out.

[jovial bane]

That can't be happening that often unless we count games going out of service

[twilit mountain]

Almost every MMO on the market has paid content that is now inaccessible

[jovial bane]

AH. I was more of a FFXIV guy

[twilit mountain]

That one will eventually if it continues at the pace it is at. Remember, it's still young for an MMO.

[jovial bane]

echhh 13 years old is not that young anymore

But on the other hand there are no young mmo anymore really

[twilit mountain]

Maybe young isn't the most accurate term, I wasn't sure how to put forth "it hasn't had as many updates to it in its lifespan" in a single word. 13 years and... what, 5 expansions I think? Quality wise I'm sure it's great, but it is definitely in the less regular side of things

[jovial bane]

Ye. 5 expansions.

Approaching the 6th one I believe

[stoic solar]

WOW has been out for 22 years and has 10 expansions, so they have nearly the same average for expansions/time.

[solemn harness]

.. almost every MMO on the market has paid content that is now inaccessible..? The only other example I'm aware of is guild wars 2 with season 1, but they ended up rebuilding that and re-adding it.

[jovial bane]

Well in WoW you cannot quite experience the old content as it was unless it's on timewalking

[solemn harness]

if anything I'm pretty sure that's an extremely unusual practice in the MMO space, particularly with something as important as the beginning of the story, which IIRC literally doesn't exist in Destiny 2 now

some other games change old content sure, but removing content people explicitly paid for.. eh

[jovial bane]

And some content is pretty much dead, accessible but not really there anymore

[solemn harness]

apparently Aion did something similar (deleting entire continents) but that was never something people paid for

and they ended up launching Aion Classic anyway, for people that hated the change

[jovial bane]

I think part of it is Destiny's monetisation as well

It's definitely "more aggressive" for the lack of better words

At least I've never run into another game that confused me with purchasing expansions.

[solemn harness]

IMO timewalking + wow classic existing largely negates this

and even without those they've done a pretty good job of keeping absolutely ancient content around

[jovial bane]

wow classic definitely alleviates a lot of it

[junior oyster]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Eyc7VGdgLg

Hoping it doesn't end up being a slop game lol

[maiden widget]

Destiny 2 onboarding was super bad when we tried in coop

That intro thing made no sense with the new player exp rework

[junior oyster]

Getting those ironclad clards was pretty good but what sealed the deal was the gambit

[jovial bane]

I should not have tried Tainted Grail

now I want to buy the boardgame

which is a problem, because that also means I would love to paint the minis x'D

[junior oyster]

I tried their roguelike a few years ago but it wasn't my style

[jovial bane]

tbf Fall of Avalon is a different game

it's basically

well it's inspired by Oblivion, and it's clearly was what I've expected of Avowed

[junior oyster]

Oh I'm aware

[warped wren]

mini painting is fun

I only discovered how fun it is on Sunday

[jovial bane]

I found sets for preparing the bases.
Terrain paint, shaders, oilbrush paint, pigment and all that stuff

they had a video showcasing it aaaaand I instantly bought it

because those bases are gorgeous, and I'm struggling with desert bases

[junior oyster]

I'm not into painting but I'd love StS boardgame minis

The ones that come in the boardgame are kinda meh

lol

[jovial bane]

yeah, but most minis are kind of meh

I've read some threads with people talking about mini qualities, and usually one of the best ones are in GW games. I think there is a point where the details are really good, but the process itself is difficult and expensive

[warped wren]

wow those bases are awesome

[obtuse rune]

Not me purchasing TTRPGs because of the miniatures that I see

[maiden widget]

Resin printing does well but I don't think as well as manufactured ones from gw

[jovial bane]

And resin in itself is a downside. It's not exactly pleasant to work with material

[maiden widget]

yup hated my resin printer

everyone lies how easy it is and how you need no protection

[jovial bane]

no protection

yeah, maybe if you set the printer outside

[maiden widget]

people are insane

some just let a filled resin printer in a darkened room

[jovial bane]

jesus

[warped wren]

time to figure out what else I'm gonna do this league, now that this guy is done: https://pobb.in/5OdpEdWww8hz

[maiden widget]

my feed is filled with afroman now, the news coverage and the songs really made my day

[junior oyster]

I'm legit enjoying silent so much right now

That might change in higher ascs though but we'll see

Kinda liking the steam spring sale banner

I was so hyped when I saw March and then it said 2027 lolhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grHES702_8o

[twilit mountain]

Marathon is now installing. Goodbye my soul.

[neon sigil]

remind me what marathon is?

[twilit mountain]

Sci-fi extraction shooter made by Bungie. Originally a narrative-driven first person shooter that revolutionized the first person genre by being the first game to have proper 3 dimensional maps and the ability to look in every direction. Think Half-Life before Half-Life.

[sand wigeon]

run…

[junior oyster]

Risk of Rain 3

[junior oyster]

I know it's early ascs but this is too fun

Double AI turn one for free

[silent steeple]

So what did u guys get or are planning to get on steam's spring sale

[desert jasper]

Probably nothing as is my usual these days

[neon sigil]

same

I'm excited about the new LE season, but the supporter packs just don't vibe.

[warped wren]

LE and shitty mtx, name a more iconic duo

[neon sigil]

ngl, real.
Like I actually want to spend money on this game...there's just nothing I want to spend money on.

[warped wren]

I regret most of the stuff I've bought

I think the Primal set is decent though

[neon sigil]

primal set was awesome.
And whoever was behind that needs to be the lead artist

[neon sigil]

but some of the staff the other day were talking about their dev process and how it takes months to make a mtx set.

and they use fully rendered illustrations as concept art.

it's crazy

[warped wren]

not shocking, pretty obvious their workflow across the board is the epitome of inefficiency

[twilit mountain]

They what

[desert jasper]

That doesn't sound efficient

[sand wigeon]

i’m glad my four years of criticizing ehg is slowly getting proven right

[desert jasper]

Like concept art shouldn't need to be fully rendered

[maiden widget]

I bought 2 packs and have all my points still I just don't like anything in the shop

Capy pet was cool though

[desert jasper]

A while ago I tried to look at the store & see if there's some good wand ones
but no

Or more like no wand ones at all

not just lacking the good ones

[maiden widget]

I actively wanted to support the game as the prices for packs were fine compared to Poe but it seems moot if I don't even use that stuff neither use coins

[desert jasper]

Yeah, that's completely fair

Tbh I'm kinda tempted to get the $10 supporter pack for the wrestler red panda

[maiden widget]

Yeah Its just sad there's nothing non over the top wow like looking in the store. I like the more muted realistic stuff in games not the angel wings that blast your eyes etc

[desert jasper]

I get that

Something that fits the game world

Also
Noticed a significant drop in the personal blog posting here in offtopic

[warped wren]

praise be

[warped wren]

my approach was the same but I genuinely regret it

not just for my own issues with the game but also due to the fact that the product I received for the money was just shit

[maiden widget]

Yeah I won't buy more either

It was fine for a bit but currently I don't have the feeling I want to support the game

Similar feelings for poe1 too

[desert jasper]

I don't regret the money I spent on LE
Tbh I didn't really buy the expensive packs apart from ultimate edition

The only game that I do actually regret buying is Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2

[blissful token]

Kirra left huh

[desert jasper]

Yup
She did it as a protest for them not giving colored roles to "early players"

But it really came off as her throwing a tantrum about not getting special treatment

[blissful token]

Hmm.. ok

[fleet ravine]

While I could also see the other half of the coin, in a sense, I was not around, can't say anything concrete about that.

[desert jasper]

She did send me a private message about it and said "My primary goal was to advocate for myself and my value so staying in a situation where I feel my contributions are consistently overlooked can lead to resentment. Time to stop that to grow."

[blissful token]

Well honestly, i dont really feel anything for epoch anymore

[fleet ravine]

Maybe it came off as an overreaction, most likely when one feels... strongly. humans be humans, yo, as it were.

[desert jasper]

Her contributions were fanart mostly
And using the server as personal blog

[fleet ravine]

I see

excogitation be a nasty thing to handle properly :p

[desert jasper]

I'm looking forward to the new season tbh

Anyway

[blissful token]

Ever since the annoucement of orobyss expansion and the paradox classes, i lost the interest

[desert jasper]

I should get some more sleep really
So I think I'll go and do that

[warped wren]

💀

[desert jasper]

That's fair

[blissful token]

Also.. killing abby at 160+ corruption with a friend during the beast patch kinda make me realized what Deias and Dream Hollow said was true

There is nth "new" to the game after playing 3 seasons

[desert jasper]

Well it's not like they're just going to reinvent the whole end game
but we are at least getting a new pinnacle boss this season

[silent steeple]

Really? Damn! Im gonna miss her random posts

Also thats one person i'd never have guessed would leave this server

[junior oyster]

Damn I was wondering why it felt kinda quiet lol. I missed out on the drama

[vagrant topaz]

Wicked!!

[blissful token]

Vladddddddddd

[blissful token]

Vlad still going stronk with LE eh?

[vagrant topaz]

Hype as always

[blissful token]

I dont think it was public, probably a silent protest

[fleet ravine]

My one gripe with gripes in general is the target of gripes as I see them (on a case-to-case basis).

[blissful token]

Ooo.. sadly i dont share the same feeling. My perception had changed

[vagrant topaz]

That's fine

What did you play recently?

[fleet ravine]

We all have our own selves with all that entails. Vlad may be mega-hype for LE, I am intrigued enough to hop in, you may be disinterested... do be how it is.

I do feel kind of funny to be called a EHG bootlicker at times. Having only been a part of this server to see the news posts as they come in from the source and only really becoming present what...2 weeks ago tops? The notion that we can form our own judgement being foreign to some of us is strange to me... (Not that I'm not still struggling to understand the judgements of others, but I'm not about to become hostile about it).

[blissful token]

Where Winds Meet still

[vagrant topaz]

Is that the "mmo" souls like thingy?

[blissful token]

Yea

Crimson Desert is expensive so i didnt hop over

[silent steeple]

I haven't heard anything good about crimson desert so far

My friend started the game, played for 2 hours and quit saying he'll play it on weekend 😂

It does look great tho

[twilit mountain]

Isn't she literally not an early player? Like, I am 90% sure she was a 1.0 joiner

[desert jasper]

Yup
She also argued with Kain that picking the "role" in channels&roles should give you a color
and then was like "I don't understand why they can't give colors"
When they explained it multiple times that they're for kickstarter supporters and it wouldn't be fair for them

[solemn harness]

she did have a point, in that "discord name colors" were never actually part of the kickstarter campaign, and they totally could use gradients or whatever else, they just don't want to

I'm surprised she took offense enough to leave the server over it though

[desert jasper]

Sure they weren't in the kickstarter campaign
I don't think they need to be

[junior oyster]

Yea I've been in quite a few discord servers where the colours match the KS ranks on discord

Sea of Stars to name one

[solemn harness]

speaking of supporter ranks, I just noticed something horrible: I think the orobyss supporter rank has 2 spaces between orobyss and supporter instead of 1 (this is mostly a joke)

[twilit mountain]

I'm fairly certain discord roles were part of the KS campaign, the colors just kinda go hand in hand

[solemn harness]

they weren't, I checked yesterday and someone from EHG confirmed

forum titles were part of the campaign

[twilit mountain]

Oh right it's the uh, private server that was in there at a certain rank

[fleet ravine]

It's not out of this world to consider. Colours are very much a role-based assignment on discord's functionality part. Now, a distinction of colours is necessary for roles and as a baseline, outside of memorizing the two notable colors of yellow (and shades of it) are staff and purple are moderators, I personally don't care. I've also seen some early purchase rewards become accessible to everyone else, which massively detracted the value of a cosmetic thingy that was supposed to reward me for buying in early.

Kickstarter is different in that one did not just pre-purchase or buy a game pre-1.0, in general. Kickstarter is a means to support a title beyond the simple purchase, from back when the title may not have even been financially viable to get to public release in the first place. Or support to budget even more features in the planned content for release.

Even if I personally started hiding badges relating to my monetary contributions for this or that title, and don't go out bragging that I kickstarted two titles of this one franchise that blew up big time more recently, back when I had some actual disposable income and fewer medical bills... Can't go out bashing some organization structure on a gut feeling...

That said, it's not out of this world to consider, but also, maybe... not considerate of the meaning behind the current structure?

[junior oyster]

Uh very interesting choice of using colour twice lol

[fleet ravine]

Thank you, non native speaker with exposure to both us and british English.

[junior oyster]

It's all good I just found it funny

[fleet ravine]

Happens all too often. I tend to be more focused on trying to be precise to my meaning than form of words and... excuse me while I find my breeches and pants.

[solemn harness]

I'm Canadian and a native English speaker; I switch between American and British English pretty much randomly based on vibes. Sometimes you just feel like adding an extra 'u' to spice things up.

[fleet ravine]

Well, typically you want to be consistent. But gets tough when you kind of float both versions in your head.

[solemn harness]

in professional writing absolutely, there's way too much variance in casual text conversations to really care though

[fleet ravine]

It got pointed out to me, so I adjusted accordingly.

[desert jasper]

Where are you from, if I may ask?

[fleet ravine]

The worst place to be that is still in the EU. take a wild guess :p

[solemn harness]

sometimes my autocorrect decides I need an extra 'u' or the opposite and I mostly just shrug in response

worst place still technically in the EU.. Hungary?

[fleet ravine]

Even worse

[desert jasper]

No idea really

[fleet ravine]

Hot take: Hungary has a good chance of voting themselves back into reasonable land. We get to vote whatever to be crushed by neo-communism within the fabric of the state AND society.

[vagrant topaz]

Belarus?

[fleet ravine]

that's not EU

[junior oyster]

Poland? Romania?

[fleet ravine]

you went above your allotted 1 guess, but it's the latter.

[solemn harness]

Romania was my next guess after Hungary

[fleet ravine]

Yes, Vlad, EU is the European Union. Not the whole continent.

[vagrant topaz]

Yeah, I know
Somehow I thought they were part of it

[fleet ravine]

Ah. Then that's the hottest take off the sun :p (or rather of the degree of sun surface temperatures)

[solemn harness]

Belarus, famously aligned with EU interests

[fleet ravine]

The citizenry? May actually be. The state? were they not a satellite state?

[solemn harness]

it's an authoritarian dictatorship aligned with Russia

[fleet ravine]

Indeed, but I'd not dare call them a soverign country when the state calls in russian military to deal with its own dissent.

[solemn harness]

hmm, apparently I can't even mention that name here

blocked by the server entirely lmao

[fleet ravine]

It's ok, this is as far I care to delve into it.

It's not like I don't get kind of a 2nd row seat to the going ons in the region.

[solemn harness]

dark times

[shy sage]

She is an artist, so maybe colours mean more for her.

She want special treatments here means she don't feel safe all the time imo

[fleet ravine]

To be perfectly honest: The safest places on the internet are not what I'd call that safe.

[desert jasper]

Can't expect special treatment tbh

[fleet ravine]

Can expect special treatment to special treatment requests, though. (And none positive)

[sudden anchor]

😭 Kirra left. I hope she can grow and come back one day. All the best to her and you guys.

Also Chuck norris died. What's going on with this world

[desert jasper]

People getting old

[shy sage]

Good point

[jovial bane]

what did I woke up to

that's the weirdest mini drama I've ever witnessed

[desert jasper]

🤷‍♂️

Are you sure you're awake?

[maiden widget]

If I had the choice I'd rather be asleep thanks for asking

[real kayak]

I feel bad, Kirra was nice and in the last few weeks alot of people here were giving her shit.

kinda weird to leave over colors though but hope she's aight.

[gilded elm]

Haven't kept up with LE season updates, dunno if I'll have the time to play but hopefully it's good. I hate to have to say that I haven't seen any appealing cosmetics yet, though

[jovial bane]

The patch looks promising, I'm only slightly mad that EHG managed to funnel me into playing Rogue for yet another season

[jovial bane]

personally I really like fractured vanquisher

[junior oyster]

New pinnacle that will be beaten in like 2 hours lol

I don't blame ehg though

Even poe is the same I think

[junior oyster]

So many nerfs but some of them are deserved
https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/2868840/view/503978984819655259

[junior oyster]

This is a review of an early access game with a beta branch lol