📚┃off-topic

[gilded elm]

The hearing didn't focus on clinical trials, there's plenty of those on NIH and elsewhere

[placid yarrow]

What would a control group look like, you can't raise children just for the sake of a study

[sand wigeon]

exactly, what would a control group look like

that's kinda the issue here

[placid yarrow]

I do think it's wrong to point at one thing and say that's the issue, such as technology or cynicism though

It's a pretty complex issue that involves everything in the people's lives

[solemn harness]

they're mostly comparing against historical data, and kids self-reporting their own computer use

[gilded elm]

Indeed, but the correlation is hard to deny.

[sand wigeon]

like we could talk about how in the usa there's purposeful disenfranchisement of the education system that's been happening for at least 14 years, or how mental illness is on a rise due to a prevalnce of societal and environmental factors, or how different social media exposure affects people in different ways, etc etc

it's impossible to reasonably measure this

of course gen z uses computers more. in the usa there's very well measured affects of how there's nothing to do but be on the computer.

how does that factor into these studies?

it's frankly fearmongering

[placid yarrow]

We do know there have been actual studies with control groups on very young children (baby to toddler age) that were centered around things like screen time and did show a correlation so I do think it's likely a factor but I don't think it's the whole reason

[sand wigeon]

and y'all are eating it up because you're going "haha kids are so dumb now" and it's not even about people who are kids anymore, and haven't been for years lol

[twilit mountain]

I propose we stop arguing/comparing generations on a "education/intelligence" factor and instead just go "hey wtf why are all the giga rich and powerful people older than dirt, we should do something about that" and figure things out from there

[gilded elm]

Since they are specifically using a standardized method for measuring and comparing cognitive development across a wide number of different parameters and they all plateau proportional to how much technology is being used as part of educational curriculums.

[sand wigeon]

but the argument is "tech bad for kids"

[solemn harness]

if you have 20000 kids that say they use computers and social media a lot, and 20000 that say they rarely/never use those things, and there is a statistically significant observable difference in the academic performance between the two groups; sure -- you can't reasonably attribute ALL of the difference to just that, but surely at least some of it is

[sand wigeon]

when that can't be proven

when "kids" have no other option

[gilded elm]

My takeaway is that modern parents suck.

[sand wigeon]

my takeaway is that people like you with kids suck

[solemn harness]

particularly if the data matches historical references

[placid yarrow]

Inheritance and time to build wealth, people get their inheritance from their super rich parents when they're also kinda old since super rich people tend to die a bit older

[sand wigeon]

not to even begin to mention the extreme amount of crisis' over the last 20 years that can easily discount the "more schooling" claim

[twilit mountain]

Cyborg I'm trying to incite class war, my man

[sand wigeon]

or how many folk in gen z never go to college because of financial burden, also equating to "less school"

[gilded elm]

I don't have kids. I would be a terrible parent. If that's the only "parenting" decision I have to make, I think I'm already better than most modern parents lol

[sand wigeon]

or how the ones who DO go to college experience a limited social application from it thanks to the fact that higher and higher college degrees have become "necessary"

how people my age, slightly older and younger have nothing to do.

the problem isn't technology

that's like saying the problem is body heat

"fever kills, body heat blamed"

[twilit mountain]

Airdropping OverWatch psychopathy to be an annoyance because this is ultimately fruitless

[sand wigeon]

me after two glasses of bourbon

[placid yarrow]

Bastion kinda based though ngl

[gilded elm]

I'm pretty sure Dr. Horvath's collated studies account for income gaps.

This is across all incomes

[twilit mountain]

I'm a Lifeweaver main 😔

[sand wigeon]

literally nothing i talked about has anything to do with income

it doesn't matter how much money you make

you can't buy your way to social spaces, they're just gone

[gilded elm]

It's hard to explain away some of these falling measurements with "lack of opportunity" and cynicism, there's actual executive dysfunction.

[sand wigeon]

let's see what happens when you tell an entire generation everything is doomed from birth, remove their ability to be social, lock them in a room with bright screens, tell them they'll die if they leave their house from MANY causes and call them dumb when they have a hard time figuring shit out

[sand wigeon]

YEAH NO SHIT

[twilit mountain]

I get called dogshit after saving our tank's ass 30 times per match and topping out the heals each round on the hero who has a whopping 80 healing per 1.2s charge time 😔

[sand wigeon]

we're all depressed af, have no hope for the world and are riddled with neurological issues from the extreme trauma of multiple disasters, at least in the usa

[placid yarrow]

Me on soraka 🫂

[sand wigeon]

everyday i walked into school people were scared i was going to shoot it up

that's real

kids my age at the time thought they'd die at school

[solemn harness]

pretty much everything you're describing is highly dependent on both the parents and the country

[sand wigeon]

kids my age thought they'd die from covid

[sand wigeon]

i am speaking of the us

[solemn harness]

my sisters kids (in canada) absolutely did not go through what you're describing, at all

[sand wigeon]

and parents do not factor into this here

[gilded elm]

This is a meta-analysis of over 80 countries. They show the same trend.

[sand wigeon]

these are things that were taught across the us school system

[solemn harness]

yes they do, kids that have good parents are not going to think their entire generation is doomed

[sand wigeon]

i have good parents

deias can confirm

[twilit mountain]

Make mine look like cartoon villains yeah

[sand wigeon]

we don't think our generation is doomed. we think the world is doomed

[placid yarrow]

I don't :d

[sand wigeon]

then frankly you're willingly oblivious

because the world is doomed

and i'm a positive person

[gilded elm]

Believe it or not but a significant portion children in the US and indeed the western world live fairly privileged lives with the kind of safe and normal educational opportunities you'd expect.

[solemn harness]

I think america is doomed, I don't think the world is

[sand wigeon]

i live a privileged life

i had safe and normal education

ffs

[twilit mountain]

We need to course correct dramatically within the next couple decades or we are in fact barreling down a path to ecological destruction of the planet and society yea

[sand wigeon]

this isn't because we put screens in front of kids

in fact, for many years, screens were the only way we could get social interactions

[placid yarrow]

I feel like we're equating two different things

[sand wigeon]

i feel like this is fearmongering bs designed to further disenfranchise generational bigotry and enforce a viewpoint that the younger generations are becoming worse

[placid yarrow]

You're talking about a generation being depressed because of reason x, and the study is saying the generation is dumber because of reason y

[sand wigeon]

not to mention a worldwide aging population and proven biological factors that reduce opinion of younger people the older you become

[sand wigeon]

and i'm saying they aren't dumber

[solemn harness]

like just as an example, take the subprime mortgage crisis circa 2008; that absolutely WRECKED the us, barely made a dent in canada, because we actually have regulations here
plenty of things that seem like "the end of the world" in the us, don't actually make a significant difference in other countries, because we anticipated those things happening and have plans in place to prevent catastrophe

[placid yarrow]

Now they might be doing worse on tests because they're depressed, that could totally be true. But it would be another factor in the box of factors

[solemn harness]

canadian banks have never failed, even through the great depression

[placid yarrow]

I do think the study is wrong for implying tech is the sole reason

[sand wigeon]

i am talking about the literal ecological destruction of the earth and its inhabiting species

not a housing crisis

[twilit mountain]

I have a big question for y'all

Why do you care?

[sand wigeon]

so what if we're dumber?

[placid yarrow]

I really don't lul

I'm in the generation

And I know I'm smart

[twilit mountain]

If you're older than the affected generation, you're dead sooner, shut up. If you're part of the affected generation, who gives a shit, shit sucks and life has a habit of creating misery, make the best you can.

[sand wigeon]

frankly every generation has thought the new one is dumber, and every tech has been blamed for causing it

there's written evidence people were upset about printing because they thought it made people dumber

[solemn harness]

they literally go over exactly that comment you just made in the video

[sand wigeon]

the video is bs

i think tech has aided a generation that has been failed by their predecessors

not injured by it

[placid yarrow]

People also keep thinking crime is always on the rise and that certain disease are always getting worse when in reality both are often in decline

[sand wigeon]

we can't measure how much "worse" gen z would be without tech

[placid yarrow]

But correlating the two isn't right

[sand wigeon]

but because gen z was the first generation with full access to technology it's obviously linked, right?

[solemn harness]

studies have been done in isolation to observe the effects of certain types of technology on the brain

you're acting like it's literally just this one group throwing out an insane, baseless theory, and nothing else

when it isn't

[sand wigeon]

not to emntion that a lot of the studied presented from mentioned video are relating to a senator case in the usa. a place that is actively trying to destroy public education, NOT improve it

there's obvious political motivations to be presenting a study like this in such a place

i think i'm done here

goodnight

[placid yarrow]

True. But just because tech does have a proven negative effect doesn't mean it's the sole reason for worse academic performance overall. Tech also has some benefits in that regard. I'm not saying it's not the reason but the study never proves it's the sole/main reason from what I'm reading

[solemn harness]

the problem as always is a lack of regulation

[placid yarrow]

It's basically just saying we know tech is bad for kids, kids now are using it more than ever and are dumber because of it. Which you shouldn't do

[solemn harness]

corporate interests aggressively lobby about how great their thing is, and get the government or other groups to adopt it

and they never show any interest in actually demonstrating what parts are beneficial, and what parts are harmful

so it has to be done after the fact

[gilded elm]

Technology is often misused to replace critical thinking, especially social media. Critical thinking is a developed skill, you aren't born with it. So when standardized methods of measuring cognitive development says Gen Z are performing worse at critical thinking and other learned cognitive skills, it does in fact mean they are dumber, yes.

[solemn harness]

which leads to arguments exactly like this one

[gilded elm]

They're not dumb, just dumber on the cognitive development scale.

[placid yarrow]

I agree. But I disagree that you can say it's the only/main reason since there's no evidence of that at a highschool+ level from what I can see. And it's also obviously super hard to test for reliability at that point

[solemn harness]

no corporation wants anyone to hear that their billion dollar baby is actually harmful; they'd rather people remain ignorant, because changing things costs money

and god forbid their product actually end up banned

[placid yarrow]

I'm not advocating for more tech in schools here, smart boards suck ass man lol

But I also don't think you can say if we get rid of tech our children will automatically go back to being smarter every generation

It might help, it might even result in cognitive growth that we've previously seen

But you can't say that for sure

It might be that there's a different factor that's having an even bigger impact

[solemn harness]

teachers should be paid more, governments shouldn't just be giving tech corporations mountains of money while forcing the people actually providing the education to suffer

[placid yarrow]

To be fair though the whole thing was basically a presentation saying we should try using less tech in schools since it seems it might be having a negative effect. Which I'm all for

Media is just blowing it up to be tech has made children dumb af

When in reality it was way more reasonable

[solemn harness]

tbh I don't even necessarily agree with the premise of "less tech in schools" but rather "tech in schools should be required to prove it's actually beneficial and not harmful first, before they get funding"

[placid yarrow]

Yeah true

Tech is obviously not inherently bad

Certain applications are

[gilded elm]

There's probably many things that could be done to properly integrate tech into education. Part of that is probably paying teachers more as well, so maybe they'll actually care about their students' futures.

[solemn harness]

hearing about teachers being forced to pay for classroom supplies out-of-pocket is quite frankly completely insane IMO

[placid yarrow]

Yeah that's crazy

[solemn harness]

when the schools are spending tons of cash on random tech nonsense nobody actually asked for (except for the tech bros)

[placid yarrow]

I think the "bad" use of tech is mainly things like letting kids have their phones during class, showing videos where there could be a demonstration, things like shitty smart boards where it's kinda just annoying to use / look at. Having everyone use a tablet instead of pen and paper etc

[gilded elm]

Yeah, right off the bat I think students shouldn't be allowed to be in possession of their devices during class IMO

[placid yarrow]

Outside of personal phones it's not that the rest are brainrot, they're just worse than the previous alternative

[solemn harness]

so much of it revolves around throwing out ideas we know work for learning in favor of experimental stuff that might work, but makes some random guy in silicon valley richer

[placid yarrow]

Yeah

To be fair and credit to my elementary school they tried tablets on my year and nobody ever got a tablet in that school after that year lmao

We hated it, the teachers hated it, everyone hated it

We did eventually get laptops but we still used books alongside them, they were just for writing essays and stuff

And that was in like seventh grade+

[warped wren]

other than the basic empathy and desire for wanting future generations to be better, smarter, healthier (yes I know it's unrealistic), my son will grow up in this world, with people from his generation. I want his friends and peers to be the best possible people they can be, not just for themselves, but for what their company might possibly bring out in him too.

is that so horrible a thing?

[gilded elm]

More than reasonable and I respect the ban on social media too

[solemn harness]

tbh I'm not really convinced social media bans will ever actually work

[placid yarrow]

They won't

[solemn harness]

as long as there's something with internet connectivity people will find a way around blocks

[placid yarrow]

I think the proposed discord thing is just silly tbh

[solemn harness]

I remember reading about kids using google sheets or something as social media, operating like a bootleg forum

because google sheets wasn't blocked at their school

[warped wren]

also, yeah previous generations failed their children. Most likely we are too, in myriad ways. Even more likely future generations will too, in their own ways. All of this is more often through inaction than malice. Does that mean that you would actively WANT the next generation to be worse off in any way than you, including intellectually? Most sane people would say no. So this whole argument of "why do you care, you'll be dead sooner and the world is going to hell anyway" is not just caustic, it's disingenuous

[gilded elm]

Yeah, but while they're younger you can certainly delay their exposure to it and when they're in their teens you can teach them all about it

[placid yarrow]

Imo it should be the parents responsibility to guard their kids against stuff like that, and it's honestly not that hard to do all things considered. The only negative I can think of is your kid getting made fun of for having their phone be parentally locked or something

Which would really suck tbh

[warped wren]

written evidence about people thinking printing made people dumber is extremely different from clinical studies proving the negative effects tech use on cognition, not just in youth but also in adults (but worse for youth due to their brains being still in development). This is a complete bad faith argument.

[sand wigeon]

i don’t think it was proven is what i was stating

[placid yarrow]

It has been in very young children

[sand wigeon]

anyway going back to bed

[placid yarrow]

I don't remember the exact study but they've done a few where they basically monitored the babies from birth up to I think a couple years old or so

[solemn harness]

getting parents in general to be responsible for their kids is a whole can of worms, simply because too many people exist where they only care about themselves, and will oppose suggested changes to their behavior violently

[placid yarrow]

Yeah but I don't think you can force people to be responsible unless you enforce it honestly

[gilded elm]

The socioeconomic circumstances that some parents live under in some parts of the world, like the US, does make being a responsible parent harder as well. That should be addressed.

[placid yarrow]

Idk in regards to access to social media and stuff I kind of disagree? Obviously I don't like in the US so I wouldn't know but if you get your kid a phone or device putting a parental lock on and checking every now and then can't be that much harder no?

[gilded elm]

We have a fairly large poverty class

Those are the parents I imagine would struggle the most

[placid yarrow]

Obviously being in poverty is extremely hard but I don't see why it would make it harder to prevent your kid from accessing certain apps or sites, if anything I feel it'd be easier

[warped wren]

primary studies:
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10353947/ "Screens can improve education and learning; however, too much time spent in front of a screen and multitasking with other media has been related to worse executive functioning and academic performance. As screen time reduces the amount and quality of interactions between children and their caregivers, it can also have an impact on language development. Contextual elements like co-viewing and topic appropriateness are key in determining how language development is impacted. Additionally, excessive screen usage has detrimental effects on social and emotional growth, including a rise in the likelihood of obesity, sleep disorders, and mental health conditions including depression and anxiety."

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0747563220300662 "Children in the high (7.2 h/day; β = −1.76 [-2.12, −1.40]) and middle (2.9 h/day; β = −0.82 [-1.15, −0.48]) daily screen time tertiles had lower measures of cognition compared to children in the low tertile (1.2 h/day). Children in the high tertile for TV watching (2.5 h/day; β = −0.99 [-1.55, −0.64]), video watching (2.3 h/day; β = −1.05 [-1.43, −0.67]), and social media (1.4 h/day; β = −0.79 [-1.14, −0.44]) had lower measures of cognition compared to children in the low tertile for each variable (0.3 h/day, 0.1 h/day, and 0.0 h/day, respectively)."

meta studies:
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11469-019-00182-2 "We analyzed 44 articles across 16 countries in this review. Each article corresponded to one of four research questions investigating screen time and mental health (n = 13), mental health and substance use (n = 8), chronic stress and development (n = 14), and chronic stress and neurodegeneration (n = 9). Overall increased screen time is associated with negative outcomes such as lowered self-esteem, increased incidence and severity of mental health issues and addictions, slowed learning and acquisition, and an increased risk of premature cognitive decline."

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/fullarticle/2821940 " Overall, 100 studies (176 742 participants) were included, and of these, 64 observational studies (pooled sample sizes ranging from 711 to 69 232) were included in meta-analyses. Program viewing (n = 14; k = 48; r, −0.16; 95% CI, −0.24 to −0.08) and background television (n = 8; k = 18; r, −0.10; 95% CI, −0.18 to −0.02) were negatively associated with cognitive outcomes, while program viewing (n = 6; k = 31; r, −0.04; 95% CI, −0.07 to −0.01), age-inappropriate content (n = 9; k = 36; r, −0.11; 95% CI, −0.17 to −0.04), and caregiver screen use during routines (n = 6; k = 14; r, −0.11; 95% CI, −0.20 to −0.03) were negatively associated with psychosocial outcomes."

this is off of Google Scholar results btw, not rando articles

[gilded elm]

Yeah but it's not just about moderating tech use either, it's about parenting in general. A lot of parents are simply absent from their child's lives. I don't think that tech (mis)use is the cause, it's a symptom (it just so happens overreliance on tech also undermines cognitive development).

[placid yarrow]

Oh yeah that I totally agree with

[warped wren]

no. The poorer people are, the harder it is to find the time to dedicate to parenting, the easier it is to outsource the parenting to tech

[placid yarrow]

Like I said I think there's lots of factors that can lead to children not performing as well, and I think parenting is a pretty huge one

[warped wren]

that's why the techbros don't let their kids use social media

because they can afford it

[placid yarrow]

You simply can't outsource parenting, that's not a thing in my mind

[solemn harness]

sure you can, it just works really poorly

[gilded elm]

It really is a bit difficult not to conflate the whole discussion of tech and its impact on cognitive development with the circumstances that create this dependence on tech in the first place.

[warped wren]

you can, especially if you are ignorant of its consequences

people do it all the time

unfortunately

[placid yarrow]

Well what I'm saying is you're just not parenting at all when you do that

[warped wren]

if only people had that kind of clarity

[placid yarrow]

The child isn't getting parenting period, it's not outsourced or something. It's just not being performed

[warped wren]

I have seen dozens of parents taking their kids for a stroll in a pram, with the kid using an ipad or mobile or something

it's insane

[placid yarrow]

Yeah agreed

Honestly I wouldn't mind if you could get a ticket for stuff like that lol

[gilded elm]

Is tech bad? In general, no. Becoming cognitively dependent on tech can be bad because it undermines your own learning processes. Why are kids becoming cognitively dependent on tech? Well, that's a whole other topic.

[placid yarrow]

But you can't enforce that

Thing is for situations where the parents work all day there should be daycares or something available to said parents. As in tax funded programs. Obviously not every country is run that way and not everyone might agree that that should be a thing. But my point is the tech isn't what's wrong here, it's the kids being left alone all day that's wrong

[solemn harness]

kids being left alone all day is a symptom of a larger problem -- mostly stagnant wages

[gilded elm]

Preaching to the choir, I'm sure a significant chunk of working class parents in the US would strongly agree with you.

[solemn harness]

lots of parents literally can't afford to do anything more -- they're working two jobs and barely making ends meet, etc

[placid yarrow]

Luckily it's the case here. But yea

[warped wren]

I mean, nothing in the original content held the kids at fault. Kids CAN'T be at fault by virtue of being kids.

It was an observation of a problem

[placid yarrow]

My point was that tech isn't at fault

[warped wren]

Of course it is

By design

[gilded elm]

Some tech is at fault.

[placid yarrow]

I meant in that specific instance

[gilded elm]

Social media, for example

[warped wren]

If something is designed to be addictive and overload your brain with dopamine, that IS malicious

[placid yarrow]

A child being left alone all day every day is bad for them regardless of if they have access to a phone or not

[gilded elm]

Your device may not be at fault, but TikTok is.

[placid yarrow]

Phone might make it worse (idk, prob) but it's bad regardless

[warped wren]

So generally that's not how it works right

I'll give you a personal example

Sometimes my kid drives me insane because he's being ultra cranky and not eating and not playing and generally throwing a tantrum

In this situation, I very occasionally let him watch Ms Rachel on the TV from a distance of like 9 feet, for around 15 mins

So I can take a breather

Now I'm a stay at home dad with a flex work schedule and my wife takes over in the late afternoon so between us we manage, and never let him watch too much TV

But imagine single parents in that situation, especially ones working more than one job

Suddenly that 15 mins ends up becoming a few hours

[placid yarrow]

My point is there should be a daycare or someone that can be with the kid for those people during that time

tech is a means to an end

it's not the issue itself

the issue is parents cant be with their kids enough

not tech

[warped wren]

Yes, that's a huge part of it

No doubt

[gilded elm]

Yeah, I'd probably file that under "socioeconomic issues"

[placid yarrow]

yea

[warped wren]

But a lot of tech is designed to be far worse than it could be, due to the nature of how tech operates

[gilded elm]

Yes, and this is where tech is at fault, I agree.

Things like social media, TikTok etc

[warped wren]

E.g. what is stopping the production of children's shows that are soothing to young brains and encourage learning and interactive play?

The answer - the tech revenue model

[placid yarrow]

Like in a world where a parent has to work 18 hours a day 7 days a week, even if tv's and phones didn't exist that kid would still be way worse off cognition wise because they're just not interacting with other humans or intellectually stimulating things enough

[warped wren]

Like idk if you've seen what YT Kids is really like

Shit's a nightmare

[placid yarrow]

Yeah they're just made to get as many views as possible

[gilded elm]

A lot of tech is designed to encourage self-destructive behaviors, for sure.

[placid yarrow]

stuff like cocomelon is crazy lol

[solemn harness]

in a world where everyone is on the same page when it comes to the importance of parenting, parents would only work 30 hours a week max; exactly the same amount of time their kid spends in school, and spend the rest of their time at home, available to actually raise their children

[warped wren]

Yeah so all that is "the system working as intended"

Which is awful

And very much the fault of tech

[gilded elm]

Now, tech can be used strictly for education and wellbeing as well

So tech inherently isn't bad

[placid yarrow]

You see my point though right @warped wren . Even if none of the tech we're talking about existed if a parent can't spend any time with their kids because of work and there are no tax funded daycares/programs to act as substitute the kid is kinda screwed either way

tech or no tech

[warped wren]

Of course

[placid yarrow]

so tech might be making it worse

[warped wren]

I mentioned this in the other server too right

[placid yarrow]

but it's not really the core issue in that instance

[warped wren]

tbf the video doesn't go over a lot of the other problems also contributing to cognitive decline like intentional/unintentional absent parenting, misinformation, choice paucity, crumbling social support, shrinking communities, etc.

[placid yarrow]

Ah I didn't read the convo there

[gilded elm]

We basically just live in a society that encourages parents to defer their parenting to tech.

[fierce moth]

It's how my past life is screwed and why endless exams is the only thing I'm living for

Just grow up with lots of confusion :)

[placid yarrow]

Like I grew up watching stuff like cartoon network and nickelodeon and honestly all things considered I wouldn't mind my kids also growing up watching stuff like that, even for a few hours a day. But for stuff like social media and way more faced paced content it's kind of a hard no for me lol

I'd restrict them from it for as long as possible

[gilded elm]

Social media is an interactive tool that slowly erodes your ability to critically think.

It embodies the "appeal to authority" fallacy where the authority is often whoever is the most charismatic person at the time.

Basically the same thing that happens whenever you democratize opinions.

[warped wren]

Idk about other languages but for English and Hindi there's relatively little content that I'd reasonably encourage my kid to watch

[warped wren]

You are old enough to start reworking your life now, if that's what you'd like.

[placid yarrow]

Meh I'm a believer that shielding your kids from absolutely everything with even a hint of bad is also not a great idea, it's kinda like being a clean freak. A little bacteria is fine. Not everything needs to make them smarter or something, they can watch things that are just there for entertainment as long as it's not like a lot of todays viral content where it's super fast, insanely stimulating etc

There's a lot of super long running cartoons and stuff

[gilded elm]

I think controlling exposure is a good thing for childhood development tbh. It's more about exposing and confronting on your own terms.

At some point, you can't stop your kid from getting access to things, I'd say maybe in their early teens.

But until then, you very much can shield them reliably from certain influences.

[placid yarrow]

yep which is why I said i'd try to restrict things like social media for as long as possible, I accept it's impossible to do so completely past a certain point without becoming toxic which is why I think a less all or nothing approach is better since by not making it a poison apple hopefully your kid won't try to go against you to taste it

trying to restrict something too much often has the opposite effect

I'd rather introduce them to stuff myself even if that thing is bad than have them go behind my back to it

[gilded elm]

Social media and the internet in general isn't something any parent is going to be able to restrict once a kid is in their early teens and at that point it probably makes more sense to teach them about it and why they should be cautious with it.

[placid yarrow]

exactly

[gilded elm]

But until then, definitely agree on as little exposure as possible.

[placid yarrow]

Yeah Imo until like highschool I'd be fine with my kid having a flip phone rofl

[gilded elm]

High school is brutal, lmao I might even say the later years of middle school

[warped wren]

That's what I meant, most kids content is like that now

[placid yarrow]

(highschol is 12-15 here)

[warped wren]

Hyperstimulating

So that it is "competitive" pukes

[placid yarrow]

Oh yeah I agree, there isn't a lot of good stuff coming out nowadays

but there's a pretty big backlog

[gilded elm]

I think a good parent would make sure that the first time their child learns about social media, it's because the parent taught them about it.

[placid yarrow]

yep

I mean tbf I didn't have social media until around highschool and I only made accounts because my friends wanted me to lol. I've always been someone who doesn't really use it

and in this instance what I mean by social media is stuff like instagram, snapchat etc

not so much youtube and stuff

[gilded elm]

I dunno, gotta be carefeul with YT as well, plenty of opinions on there too.

[placid yarrow]

Oh yeah for sure, I just meant that I didn't have any accounts on those other things until then but I was watching youtube before then

[warped wren]

I think the single worst innovation in human history has been the endless feed

[placid yarrow]

I didn't wanna say I didn't touch any social media at all until then since that'd be a lie

[warped wren]

Incalculable damage

[gilded elm]

I never really thought about that but it's kind of true lol

[placid yarrow]

I remember when the default place to go to on youtube was the sub page and not the home page

better times

[gilded elm]

When I'm being a degenerate browsing through some social media website, it's always that endless feed that prevents me from getting out of bed and doing something.

[placid yarrow]

back then either something new you were interested in since you were subbed to the channel popped up and you watched it, or there was nothing new and you just clicked off. Now you keep searching forever in the home page lmao

What I found works kinda decent is using the "newly uploaded" filter on youtube

and heavily utilizing the "not interested" and "don't recommend this channel" buttons lol

[gilded elm]

I hate that those are even a thing. YT has gotten so bad with recommendations.

[placid yarrow]

Yeah it's not about giving you what you want

it's about making you stay on the site

[desert jasper]

Can't find the message that mentioned cocomelon on ytkids
it's bad, yeah
but at least it's not as bad as the weird elsa + spiderman vids

[fierce moth]

😂😂😂😂😂

Never a bowl of cat food is huge like that

[placid yarrow]

Ngl I don't have kids and I'm obviously too old to have ever watched that stuff so I'm wildly unaware of what's going on in the kids section of youtube lol

[placid yarrow]

What's the point of this video lmao, there's no way those 6 cats eat all that no? xd

[desert jasper]

I don't think I can even begin to explain those videos here on this server without the messages being caught by the word filter

[placid yarrow]

Yeah honestly I think I'd be better off not knowing too

[desert jasper]

Just.. weirdly sexual

and bondage

Yup

And I don't have kids either
but a friend mentioned it at some point so I had to check it out

Also some people reupload some tv shows that are for kids
but edit in a screamer in the middle of an episode

[placid yarrow]

Yeah idk from what I've seen and heard the entirety of youtube kids is just a clickfarm basically

it's just no effort content being spammed

I think you can heavily filter it as a parent or something but is there even anything worth filtering for lol

[placid yarrow]

Damn I just bought a pig at auction while riding a pig as a kid by selling tin buckets, this game is lit

I'm now also broke and don't know what to do with the pig

[desert jasper]

What game is that?

[placid yarrow]

Kynseed

[desert jasper]

I see
never heard of it before

[placid yarrow]

It's a sandbox life sim esque game

pretty good so far

[junior oyster]

I was going to say it reminds me of stardew valley

[desert jasper]

Yeah a bit

[placid yarrow]

It's kinda in that region but it's not really about anything specific like farming

you can farm, but you can also be a blacksmith, apothecary etc

and your character gets old and dies

but if you marry and have kids you can keep playing as the kid

the villagers also age and die

seemed like a neat concept

apparently all that is like super slow though

not like a few hours of gameplay and your guy dies of old age

[desert jasper]

Another day, more finger poking for the sensor trial

I really ask myself why I agreed for another trial period

[placid yarrow]

for what?

[desert jasper]

Glucose sensor
for diabetics

[placid yarrow]

oh right you mentioned that before

is it not working out well?

[desert jasper]

Well
the app shows wrong values every time I actually measure it
the notifications on it don't work on my phone even when it has all the permissions (their customer support was confused by this and so far they haven't contacted me back in 2 weeks)
so if my blood levels dropped during the night it wouldn't wake me up with alarm about it

[placid yarrow]

Sounds like it's kinda useless no?

are you able to use a different one that works at the same time?

[desert jasper]

And I kinda have bad memories about poking holes in fingers for tests from time I was a kid
because some nurse did that test on every finger at the tip of it where it's the most sensitive

Oh yea, the first 2 weeks of the trial period you wear the one you were originally using and make comparisons between them + what actual blood shows
then the 2 other weeks it's supposed to be only the new one.. but I think I might just put in the old one too

oh and the first 12hours of using the new sensor it even says that it's not showing accurate numbers, you can't use these for actual medical purposes, you need to calibrate it. which becomes available after 12hours of wearing it. So in my case it was at midnight but obviously didn't do it at midnight

So when I mentioned that 12hours to some other diabetic folk they were like "that's useless, wtf"

[placid yarrow]

yeah that sounds crazy lol

Also a massive pro for this game is that you don't need to do any inventory managment, you have an infinite categorized inventory which is lit

[desert jasper]

Like the other sensor I was testing out last year?
It was actually nice, apart from the first day it was showing weird values but then it got kinda accurate
and you could calibrate it but didn't need to unless it was still showing weird stuff

The thing is, we get these for free from the healthcare but they decided to ask prices from other companies than just the original one (and made sure they knew it) and... the original one increased the prices.
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if they just went with "okay enough" sensor that's cheaper

[placid yarrow]

wtf they wrote dialogue for if you bought a pig in the prologue

I didn't expect that tbh

[placid yarrow]

Yeah I guess it's the price you pay but it sucks regardless

would be nice if you were testing actually nice tech instead of crappy stuff lol

good products need testing too

[desert jasper]

Nice touch
Tbh I would've expected it

[placid yarrow]

Idk if you only do what it says you wouldn't have nearly enough to win the auction tbh

and they don't even tell you to attend the auction really

[desert jasper]

Yeaah
the nurse that's been taking care of me at the ward asked me if I wanna do it
And I have a hard time saying no to her

But at least the testing isn't as bad as I originally thought
Because originally I thought you'd have to do it before & after every: breakfast, lunch, dinner and before going to bed, every day of the trial period
but it's only total of 6 days and no need to do it before lunch

[placid yarrow]

Oh it's not one of those that's constantly monitoring?

or do you mean checking that it's correct / comparing values

[desert jasper]

It is constantly monitoring
But need to compare the values & write it down
so when I then send the papers forward they can look at the numbers & feedback I wrote about it

[placid yarrow]

Gotcha, makes sense

[desert jasper]

Also I'm glad the pen that pokes the hole has multiple settings for how deep it pokes
the first one is enough for me and doesn't even really hurt

[gilded elm]

I have no idea what I'm doing, campaign seems too easy for a randomly-thrown-together build lol

[desert jasper]

Which game is that?

[gilded elm]

Torchlight Infinite

[desert jasper]

Right
I thought it's that but I never ended up trying it

[gilded elm]

It's not bad, very PoE-inspired in systems design

[solemn harness]

I tried it and bailed after like 3 hours, too much pay2win nonsense + atrocious mobile UI design IMO

[gilded elm]

Might be a better handheld experience like a Steam Deck, but also it plays good on a phone too lol

I know there's pay2win but I'm not knowledgeable enough to really gauge the significance of what you can pay for in terms of how it translates to power. I know the game comes highly recommended from @twilit mountain who is free-to-play, I think.

[solemn harness]

also remember a lot of the text being borderline unreadable nonsense, I think it was translated from chinese to english and never reviewed by a human; might be better now though

IIRC torchlight infinite has two layers of pay2win: paid pets that significantly boost the quantity of loot you get (like 4x or more, idk exact numbers)
and new hero stuff each league is super OP and only available for $$$

you can farm niche/obscure mechanics as a free player and sell that stuff to p2w players to circumvent the loot problem partially, mechanics that aren't affected by loot pets basically

[desert jasper]

Yeah the paid pets is kinda pushing me away from it
I might still give it a shot to try it out

[solemn harness]

the big drama I remember was maxroll dropping support for TLI

[placid yarrow]

Baby pig

[solemn harness]

because the devs essentially refused to stop adding p2w stuff

https://web.archive.org/web/20250115091722/https://maxroll.gg/torchlight-infinite/news/maxroll-ending-support-for-torchlight-infinite

[gilded elm]

Hah, crazy. Why'd they delete the post?

[solemn harness]

dunno, I think it just got purged at some point

[gilded elm]

Weird, you'd normally want to keep that for SEO

I wonder if they got pressured into taking it down.

[quaint forge]

A2 is the only one I recognise, but I’ve never had powdery milk before We just have normal milk

[gilded elm]

They did some napkin math too on the estimated impact, not bad

I wonder how applicable this all is in the current season of the game.

[placid yarrow]

Bacon and legs is hacking

[fierce moth]

I think I can save 50.38USD/348RMY if the gameplay of Resident Evil Requiem as similar as Resident Evil 4

[gilded elm]

This lady sure does yap a lot

[fierce moth]

9 more days to wait

[fierce moth]

oh damn damn damn Mr. Beast's leaser challenge is too fun to watch

Like... ||3s for you to touch the box only in a random moment|| within 10h

[gilded elm]

Isn't MrBeast wrapped up in several controversies/scandals? Seemed like bad stuff happen around him.

[fierce moth]

wow guaranteed 40000USD or 33% chances for 250000USD. It's a hard choice...

He don't come to Bilibili until 2025 so he still popular in China

[desert jasper]

Yes
including some of his challenges having people have issues with medicals and he's like "lol nope you're not getting stuff"

[gilded elm]

Also a very close associate of him being accused of something highly inappropriate and resigning in response.

[desert jasper]

Yup

[gilded elm]

MrBeast basically... sounds like a bad person.

[desert jasper]

Honestly
I think that to get that big there's something shady
Also he never has an actual smile on his face
If you cover his mouth and only look at the eyes he's not smiling at all

[gilded elm]

Maybe he practices smiling without wrinkling his eyes :P

[desert jasper]

Haha yeah sure.

[gilded elm]

I feel like it's not the craziest thing in the world lol

People do that

[desert jasper]

Also I generally don't trust people who do "charity" and go saying "look at all this good I'm doing, let me make videos out of it"

[gilded elm]

(As in, have skin care routines and practice)

[solemn harness]

the controversies section on his wikipedia article has 8 different sub-sections

not a good person indeed

he's just some random guy that got rich by appealing to children on youtube, and accepting deals from advertisers to put their products in front of said children

[gilded elm]

The list of controversies could be revealing a pattern of behavior

Removal of Ava Kris Tyson
This is the one I was referring to earlier, this one seemed real bad.

[desert jasper]

Can't forget first trying to protect that person

[solemn harness]

apparently his entire business model was just: slowly work his way up to the point where he gets sponsorship worth $10,000 => give away all that money => lots of people watch the videos related to said giveaway => next sponsorship is even bigger => repeat giveaway process until billionaire

[gilded elm]

They were "best friends" and long-time collaborators, it's hard to believe he wasn't aware.

[fierce moth]

ohhh my lord the ending is quite unexpecting... I'm sorry, Blake

[jade jackal]

are people who get disqualified in his show turn into human meat for his burger chain

[fierce moth]

why not his chocolate 🤔

[desert jasper]

Nah, they're made into his terrible tasting chocolate

[jade jackal]

nice

[gilded elm]

Oh he's still in an on-going class action lawsuit with 5 contestants from his show.

In September 2024, five former contestants on Beast Games filed a class action lawsuit in Los Angeles County Superior Court against Donaldson, Amazon, and the show's production partners. They alleged chronic mistreatment on set, including sexual harassment, unsafe conditions, and unpaid expenses. The plaintiffs also said they were pressured to sign illegal contracts and submit false paperwork in order to secure Nevada tax credits for the production.
This is still on-going.

Five contestants seem to think they have a case lol

[desert jasper]

Hopefully they do

[gilded elm]

Yeah, the conditions being described on that show sound really bad if true.

[desert jasper]

Also tax credits stuff is usually taken relatively seriously

[fierce moth]

2h after-dinner walk time

The last night to act freely without controling of parents so it's the most happy one in this holiday ❤️

[gilded elm]

Whew, TLI is a difficult game to put down once you get going lol

[fierce moth]

Just climbed up from one side and climb down from the other side, it remind me of another childhood memory, it's about... Fear the height so I never can defeat the iron ladder 🪜

My fear for the height only disappear when I want to die

These ladders in my childhood memory have double-sided handle at the peak so you can climb up and climb down from different sides if you're brave enough

Climb up is no problem, but climb down is quite scary lol

[jovial bane]

huh, that's quite strong fear of heights

mine kicks in at about 40m above the ground I think

happened to me twice, once when touring a lighthouse, the other time was industrial chimney

[sudden anchor]

Had fear too. Noticed it got less the more I faced it and combined it with fun, like climbing a tree.

[fierce moth]

Enjoying lamb skewers as my night snack now :) The special point is skewers are red willow branches :)

[jade jackal]

Ah, i too love to snack on lamb skewers as a night snack

[junior oyster]

Mine is when I look down

[real charm]

Is it the case for this server too? Since the company is an AI first

[jade jackal]

Clanker

Works here 🙂

[junior oyster]

I can climb a hill or mountain relatively ok but the descent is scary af

[sand wigeon]

me when people invent a slur very clearly based off a real, very problematic slur during a time where the people said slur are directed towards are actively being prosecuted for their existence

like no duh this is banned

[fierce moth]

they still hiring humans

[sand wigeon]

it’s not offensive because of its use toward ai, its offensive because it’s obviously a stand in for a real thing

not to mention that it doesn’t matter if the ai has feelings. let’s not say slurs thx

[solemn harness]

clanker is a slur originally from a 1958 article describing robots in Metropolis, and more recently from star wars, used to refer to battle droids

I have no idea what you think it's meant to be other than that tbh

[sand wigeon]

oh my gods

it’s being used an allegorical way to say the n-word

that’s what it’s used for in social media

the memes about “clankers” often reference things that are stereotypically tied to black americans, except being done by robots

[solemn harness]

uh, okay, that's certainly one interpretation

[sand wigeon]

this isn’t hard to grasp and there are studied linguistic effects about artificial slurs

[gilded elm]

I got no problem with clanker, it's used in tech all the time now to refer specifically to AI.

[solemn harness]

for reference, this is social media, and I've used the term clanker, and never even considered it in that sort of context

[sand wigeon]

jfc

[sand wigeon]

then you’re very lucky

i see it all the time

hell “wireback” is another one

do i need to explain that

[gilded elm]

Certainly nobody at work has ever objected to "clanker" on grounds of it being a slur or derogatory towards humans.

And we're a tech company.

[sand wigeon]

jfc

[solemn harness]

you're literally the first person I've heard even suggest there's a link to the N-word like this

[gilded elm]

Same, and I'm chronically online.

[sand wigeon]

the usage and normalization of this language is obviously problematic especially when it is in fact being used as a loan word in other contexts

[solemn harness]

and I've known about the term since it was used in star wars, circa 2005

[gilded elm]

I subscribe to tons of tech feeds and clanker is a widely used but innocuous term.

[sand wigeon]

adam aleksic described it as an evolution of racial slur targeted at “ai systems” instead, with clear roots in reality

even “robot” has ties to problematic usage

[twilit mountain]

I have never paid a single dollar for pet pulls, in total I've spent like $60 across about 900 hours of playtime over I think 4 years and it's been exclusively on season passes to give some support. I have done all content in the game on several heroes and have multiple "big" pets that I have acquired completely free.
You can farm pretty much any mechanic even without pets, they're all still perfectly viable for money, what is being seen as "niche/obscure" is actually just the dev team screwing up and making an off-beat non-mechanic way too good lol

Also the new hero is a literal coin toss every time on if it will be good or not. The current one is a speed demon but calling it made of glass would be a compliment of the highest order.

[junior oyster]

I have (and I'm not trying to pull the I have a 'brown' friend card to justify this btw) a friend who uses that word all the time referring to ai. Honestly this is the first time I've heard it as an alternative way of saying the nword. I will ask him when I get the chance to see what he thinks.

[sand wigeon]

literally never said it was an alternative way

nobody but the criminally insane is going to use it to try and harm a person of color

i said it has clear problematic roots in such language

[gilded elm]

Thinking of call my pet project "Clanker City" tbh

[sand wigeon]

i hate you

[solemn harness]

you are a very negative person

[sand wigeon]

i’m rly not

[gilded elm]

https://github.com/search?q=clanker&type=repositories

GitHub seems fine with it

[sand wigeon]

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/internet/ai-backlash-brewing-clanker-says-growing-frustrations-emerging-tech-rcna222231

https://www.npr.org/2025/08/06/nx-s1-5493360/clanker-robot-slur-star-wars

[gilded elm]

Tons of repos with "clanker" in the name or description

[sand wigeon]

literally what does github have to do with anything

what does github have to do with a linguistics problem

[gilded elm]

I see, so it's not a matter of being offensive then.

Because GitHub actually changed the default git master branch from "master" to "main" to appease these sorts of arguments.

But seemingly clanker is not on their radar.

[junior oyster]

Definitely is lol

[sand wigeon]

again, i am truly not

[twilit mountain]

I think y'all are misinterpreting. It's not a stand-in, it's due to what people are doing with it along with the "alternatives" they have invented for it.
Like. You cannot seriously believe you don't see that people are eagerly "inventing" "slurs" based in actual real world prejudice because these ones are "clean" when there's people throwing "wireback" or "Rosa Sparks" for example.

[sand wigeon]

fr

not to mention that by assigning a “slur” to a non-thinking, non-feeling demographic you ironically elevate their empathetic stand in to that of real people

despite the fact that these robots have no brains or feelings

[solemn harness]

you can use practically anything as a slur, that doesn't assign any value to the thing you're disrespecting beyond what you would assign to it by simply referring to it at all

[sand wigeon]

deias can confirm that i am one of the most positive people around, in fact! you folk just make me go insane

[twilit mountain]

It's... not about assigning value to anything. It's a situation of "why are people chomping at the bit to say even pretend slurs"

[sand wigeon]

why do you guys need to say a pretend slur for something that doesn’t think

[solemn harness]

because they don't like AI and want a short way to voice their dissatisfaction or displeasure with that thing

[sand wigeon]

not to mention the articles i linked go over the things you’re saying “nuh-uh” to

[solemn harness]

it's not complicated

[twilit mountain]

Just call it fkin stupid. Easy. Christ.

[sand wigeon]

yeah so that’s a slur.

[gilded elm]

Because it's amusing. Humans have done far dumber and crazier crap for amusement (much of which is also considered innocuous)

[solemn harness]

and I read the articles, I don't get what you were trying to communicate by linking them

[sand wigeon]

it’s amusing to you

[gilded elm]

Yes, it amuses me.

[sand wigeon]

probably because you wanna say slurs tbh

[solemn harness]

like yes, clanker is a slur, that was established more than 50 years ago

[gilded elm]

Yes, I want to pretend say slurs.

[sand wigeon]

why the hell do you want that

[solemn harness]

doesn't have anything to do with the N-word

[twilit mountain]

I'm just going to back out of this, y'all kinda suck. Dream, get out tbqh.

[sand wigeon]

the n-word shares etymological structure with the word clanker that’s proven to invoke illicit affects and normalize the usage of other similar sounding words

[desert jasper]

<@&1161418687471956101> things are getting a bit heated here

[gilded elm]

Because it has no measurable harm to people and it makes big bad AI companies upset.

[sand wigeon]

it does have measurable harm when people are now comparing robots to people of color

[junior oyster]

🍿

[solemn harness]

I reject the assertion that the term clanker normalizes other non-robot slurs

[sand wigeon]

yeah i’ma go shower

[gilded elm]

I'm a chronically online person and I've never heard this connection until you mentioned it.

[solemn harness]

you're just saying it does with zero evidence

most people aren't even going to make that sort of connection; if they did it would have been an issue back when star wars first did it

[sand wigeon]

i suggest you read the articles i linked and actually think about them

[solemn harness]

I did read them ffs

neither of them support what you're saying

[sand wigeon]

https://youtube.com/shorts/aHoUPEhjbN4?si=Y8Wyeg7VJ_b-9LML

then this is a good video

courtesy of adam aleksic

[gilded elm]

Toaster is another good one. Gotta love Battlestar Galactica

[junior oyster]

Guess the word clanker about to be banned in this server

[solemn harness]

yeah, nope

I just completely disagree with the assertion that it's in any way dependent on or linked to the N-word

[sand wigeon]

cool

[gilded elm]

But I think Toaster works better for sentient bots

[sand wigeon]

i’ma go shower

i tried

[obtuse rune]

Alright. It seems this conversation has ran its course so we're going to put a stop to it here, if you don't mind so nicely.

[gilded elm]

Does that come with a ban on the word "clanker" lmao

[obtuse rune]

That comes from a genuine ask to stop this top and avoid anything that start it back up.

[sand wigeon]

thank you vandryll

i appreciate you mediating the topic

it was obviously argumentative on every end

[gilded elm]

Sounds like we're clearly not banning the word, thankfully.

[sand wigeon]

anyway did you take a picture kirra? i love lamb but i haven’t had it in like, a decade

[sand wigeon]

i think that usage of it would fall under “starting it back up again”

i’d say for safety’s sake you don’t say it

mostly because i’m not sure how much clearer vandryll can be

[gilded elm]

That's not quite true, Vandryll shut down the argument. He didn't ban the word.

I have no reason to argue.

And you are free to ignore those of us who choose to say the words we want to say.

[sand wigeon]

dude why is it so hard to just go “okay won’t do it again”

[junior oyster]

Megacrit left us with a cryptic message and I can't lie but I think it's in regards to the Defect coming back

[gilded elm]

I won't argue with you about this. I'm trying not to, maybe you should stop.

[sudden anchor]

This! I could eat it every day, but it's quite expensive.

[fierce moth]

😋.

[solemn harness]

As an attempt to change the topic: I've seen kirra talk a few times in here about some "free day" coming up, but I have no idea what that actually refers to. Anyone have insights on that?

[desert jasper]

Think she's trying to move so she lives on her own

[junior oyster]

It's gotta be defect man

[solemn harness]

Damn, that's kinda awesome.

[sand wigeon]

you kinda are trying to tbh

[sand wigeon]

it looks so small

[solemn harness]

Seriously, stop.

[sand wigeon]

that’s so little food

[gilded elm]

If you feel that way, I encourage utilizing the /ignore feature, it's okay.

[sudden anchor]

I hate ignore. One of the reasons being I end up clicking 'show message' again haha.

[gilded elm]

It does suck that it still shows up, I agree.

[junior oyster]

I just block anyone I dislike or disagree with

[sand wigeon]

i think that trying to limit yourself to one perspective is a great way to end up single minded, hating young people and with little understanding of the world

and that by simply removing dissenting opinions you do exactly that

[fierce moth]

As nub said, I want to move to a new city in March, that city calls Taiyuan. The shortest distance between Taiyuan and the city I'm living now, GuangZhou, is 1638km :)

[sand wigeon]

it’s a good way to stop evolving as a person

[sudden anchor]

I would hate to miss out on context, especially on the more active people having convos with others. Also I think it's disrespectful, even tho I disagree or something. Everyone can have a bad day. Maybe I'm just not that sensible (I am) haha

[gilded elm]

I agree, exposure to opposing viewpoints is crucial to self-improvement.

[sudden anchor]

Yep, I am also a very curious person, that's probably reason nr. 1

[gilded elm]

It can only benefit you to learn someone else's perspective. Maybe it changes your view on something or maybe it teaches you more about your opponents.

[sudden anchor]

only ever blocked one person in another server. he is there for 3y, 4months and wrote:

not to hate on him or anything.

[twilit mountain]

Shrug.

[elfin stream]

I don't need to bother checking I think because there's a bunch of bots in there

[fierce moth]

....

[twilit mountain]

Plenty of bots. Plenty of people I just do not want to talk to. If you annoy me or irritate me often enough, odds are you go on the list. Because ultimately I'm looking for people I enjoy talking to, nothing more or less.

[solemn harness]

MEE6 bot is one of the only accounts I've blocked on discord, because that damn thing is everywhere and pings me all the time, it's infuriating lol

[gilded elm]

Fair, Discord doesn't have to be a place for intellectual growth. Arguably, it might even be a bad place for such a pursuit.

[solemn harness]

"you've levelled up" thanks MEE6, very helpful ping

[silent steeple]

Funnily enough my approach to "ignore" is a bit different

Instead of using the function, I actively ignore the person in the thread

Especially while they're talking to me

Watching them spiral because of that rage is a sight indeed

[solemn harness]

I guess there is one actual person I blocked

some guy kept spamming in the diablo subreddit server about being "rank 1" all the time

flooding multiple channels with complete nonsense

and he was technically rank 1.. on xbox or something, very briefly.. so it's not like he was lying, he was just super annoying about it

[desert jasper]

Reminds me of one guy on poe forums
always making posts how he's the top racer, better than Ben but just doesn't have the time, ggg should pay him to race
and then when ppl checked that during like
one of the infinite delve races he had placed in like top 10 as chieftain he put his profile private and started reporting evreryone calling him out

[solemn harness]

holy, I just looked him up and he's still doing it; he has videos on his YouTube channel from 7 days ago screaming about being rank 1

surgicalsnipes, the man, the myth, the legend

[jade jackal]

There's only one number one

[gilded elm]

lol, made a planet with a giant crater in the middle and made all the food grow near the cliffs with predators lying in wait at the bottom of the crater

[sudden anchor]

There was this game I played on the PS2 as a child, where you had a quadratical piece of land (purely sand) floating in space and you had to build walls in an efficient manner, before some water fell down, which you had to stop from falling down. I sadly don't remember what it's called, it had familiar artstyle to this one above.

It was really fun. It's about time I play it again, but don't have a copy.

Oh, I found it, it's Aqua Aqua.

[fierce moth]

Aqua?

[sudden anchor]

I loved to play with water as a kid. I guessed the game will mostly appeal through it's nostalgic value nowadays, but looking up gameplay, it's really similar to 3D Tetris. Could be fun still!

[fierce moth]

I'm confused where these black blocks should on 🤔

Especially black 3 here

Seems that this puzzle is a pixel tree

[placid yarrow]

I have no enemies

[jovial bane]

I have exactly two

some kind of spam bots

[jovial bane]

nah, we aren't

we will get the bad stuff, but no cool tech

[warped wren]

Hence the "dystopia"

[fierce moth]

The beginning of this puzzle (current status) spent 2h

[jovial bane]

oh damn, now it sounds fun

[fierce moth]

🥱 Muscle are quite stiff and serious... Shower time

[gilded elm]

My people are starving to death... the only thing holding this nation together is unrestricted immigration lmao

[jovial bane]

ahh, I love Songs of Syx

[gilded elm]

Steep learning curve, but very fun indeed.

[jovial bane]

I don't mind steep learning curves, it makes things easier for me rather than focusing on microimprovements 😅

[gilded elm]

I am not a good leader

[jovial bane]

you can't make an omelette without breaking couple million eggs

[gilded elm]

Oh nah, we're not having any of that here

[jovial bane]

on the side note I do love the fact the game starts in around bronze age

you are building an ancient city state, and it does include some messed up things as well 😄

[junior oyster]

I'm going to give Horizon hunters gathering props for not making a pvp game

Still won't play it though

[jovial bane]

me neither most likely, survival games are already stacked

I've returned to Valheim some time ago, and did not age for me that well .__.

Enshrouded, Grounded and VRising are probably some of the top survival games for me.

OH, and Abiotic Factor

[desert jasper]

Unlocked the new character in LORT
Oh man he deals so much dmg. I was honestly kinda hoping it would be a poison based rogue instead of critting but i guess i'll take it

[warped wren]

@fierce moth how accurate is this

Or is this just some messed up and utterly cooked meme (which may be possible because i see Korean and Vietnamese terms alongside Chinese)

[placid yarrow]

I might be biting off more than I can chew lol

[fierce moth]

...I'm woke up by the quilt is too thick (too hot)

Alright turn off the ac is a serious mistake I made

[fierce moth]

Only 4 things left, firecrackers, red envelopes and relative asking personal questions and my cousin is more successful than me

[gilded elm]

smh, Claude trying to tell me my code is wrong then I gotta correct his ass

And businesses are building mission critical apps with this tech lmao

[fierce moth]

Good morning, 14 days left before the free day

Need to say goodbye with this hotel room before 12:00. The bed is so comfortable, much more comfortable than the bed at home... I must find a bed like that to sleep when I find apartment in Taiyuan soon :)

[placid yarrow]

You're gonna leave before finding an apartment?

Sounds a bit risky

[gilded elm]

I'm skeptical that a source of reliable income has even been secured lol

Not that I made better decisions when I was younger. Some lessons are just learned the hard way.

[sand wigeon]

this is only tangentially related but i can’t imagine the road dog community in china is very vibrant

not like it is in america

[fierce moth]

No, just escape 2 night for avoiding the noise of firecrackers

My aunt family come to my home today for a dinner. I must come back home to help on preparing.

[warped wren]

I can sympathize with wanting to avoid firecrackers. Delhi gets insane around Diwali.

[junior stirrup]

What's this "free day" you talk about, I missed the initial cutscene 😉

[fierce moth]

Nothing you miss, because I don't cook that yet

[fierce moth]

Alright, the price of desktop rtx 5070 ti + i9-13900 + 2k screen is over than a rtx 5070ti laptop already... I don't need new ram and SSD though

💀 laptop is the only choice

[jovial bane]

be careful with the amount of VRAM card has, laptop versions can have only 6GBs instead of 8. And for new stuff you need 8

[maiden widget]

Laptop 5070 also isn't the same as a desktop card anyways they just name it like that to attract people

[fierce moth]

Back to home. see yarn and towel again

pet pet pet pet pet

[desert jasper]

Pet them for me too, thanks

[fierce moth]

.....First time to meet a game demo can't be played without signing up an account

[fierce moth]

Bazaar is quite fun indeed. It's like advanced version of ftk 2
Inherit all pros and remove all cons from ftk 2

Damn fun, win 7 times in 7 days now. I should buy this game

I think Bazaar can be the next game let me be addicted for hundreds of hours

[fierce moth]

Red envelopes are like that

Context: ¥50 count as a decent chunk of money here. Cantonese usually spread small amounts of money inside for blessing only. But ¥500+ per red envelope are common in the north of China

[fierce moth]

I like the sandstorm setting the best so far

It avoid the battle time last too long so well, excellent. Because it's the annoying point I feel in turn-based strategy games

[fierce moth]

The 2nd interesting point: I need to decide which size of item worth to keep. Small, medium or large. Will it worth the position? How much value it can bring? How to max offense by limited position etc

Which debuff/buff combo can you go by random weapons you get is the core

Debuff + buff let the game more fun xd

🤔 I'm confused how to defeat bosses with strong shield/life regen now

The only way is freeze?

[stone anvil]

the bazaar 🔥

[stone anvil]

poison can beat enemy's life regen/shield

[fierce moth]

what generosity skill is?

lol the game give me a red envelope too (I don't know should I get this red envelope or reroll)

Oh nevermind. The game allow me to do both

.........Reduce 1 gold only 😂 😅

[stone anvil]

many items I don't know but this is actually cute lol

[fierce moth]

lol crit-1392hp... Bosses are too insane

[stone anvil]

there was a list about them,

and some bosses counter your builds but you need to experience it first 😅

[fierce moth]

?... Complete 10 days is a game? Alright I'm not play enough 😅

[fierce moth]

😂 sorry I don't know why it's fair

689 damage + crit chance is insane

[stone anvil]

689 is small damage but pygmalien counters this boss very good

so many healing items for pygmalien and shield

other bosses are generally difficult for every characters

[stone anvil]

but this is pretty good

good job kirra

[fierce moth]

if you don't get enough poison items to build a combo, aren't bosses which with insane healing invincible?

[fierce moth]

I max my crit chance in this combo (start from aquatic items)

[stone anvil]

yes, this is why choosing easy bosses matters

there is a boss with shield

If you choose it for example, you can't beat it because it will gain shield even you crit

[fierce moth]

🤔 Interesting...

[stone anvil]

it's learning the game, when you learn all monsters, you will get more wins 🥳

[fierce moth]

So I need to remember which bosses can regen hard

[stone anvil]

yep

but it's easy to remember, I am pretty sure, you can memorize it better than me lol

just look at the arts of the bosses, they have same builds everytime

[fierce moth]

Which difference will different characters bring?

[stone anvil]

characters have different items and general items

pygmalien has regen and shield items,
mak has poisons

[fierce moth]

do you mean debuff and buff they can use are different?

[stone anvil]

yes and characters have different skills

so some builds will be better on different characters

[stone anvil]

but your character venessa is good with crit builds

it is good choice

because so many weapons

[fierce moth]

lol what a coincidence then

[stone anvil]

this game is so good If you want to relax

I think you will like it more once you have other characters

and game soundtrack is so peaceful 🙂

[fierce moth]

lol ok the 2nd red envelope I get. Let me see which gift can I get

[stone anvil]

more gold

[fierce moth]

bar of gold and chocolate bar

[stone anvil]

yummy lol

more health

[fierce moth]

Fine, red envelope in this game is quite... expected

[stone anvil]

https://playthebazaar.com/patch-notes it looks like Red Envelopes will stay in the game for 2 more days and new venessa skin?

[fierce moth]

Alright I see what the exclusive feature of this characters is... Value

[stone anvil]

he is carrying gold chest, he is good with gold interest

and he is big, he has more health

[fierce moth]

I find lots of shield-relevant items too

[stone anvil]

pygmalien loves shield

you can also go for freeze

[fierce moth]

I tried wink encounter (upgrade all items randomly) and it's before VS after.

284 damage from a small weapon?!

[stone anvil]

it's not like every big items will deal big damage

aquatic items for example

you can make venessa build with small gun and dealing 1000+ dmg

once you learn the combos, oh boy oh boy

I won't spoil anything from now on, you need to figure them out

[fierce moth]

Select the hardest trap, damn quite close :(

[stone anvil]

the boulder, oh no

[fierce moth]

I have no idea which trap should I select

[stone anvil]

it is OTK build which means when the boulder is activated, it kills the opponent with one shot

unless shield

[fierce moth]

lol this game allow me to make mistakes in combats with any bosses/encounters, it's great

It don't affect me to get consistent victory at least

[stone anvil]

yeah, you don't lose directly

you still have chance to comeback

and it's good for learning the game ❤️

[fierce moth]

lol the other one-shot boss come quickly

[stone anvil]

kirra is neverlucky

[fierce moth]

Don't find quite much fun from this character because increase value is a hard thing

Don't think I can win if I'm not luck on wick encounter. No idea which combo can I build on the whole process

[stone anvil]

there are more items you need to see and some items are very rare. you need to visit diamond merchants and you need to have gold

[stone anvil]

but I believe in you, even you say that, you are getting 10 wins everytime

[fierce moth]

emmmmm... DLC are quite expensive

I want to try Stelle (ingenious engineer) the most

[stone anvil]

you can unlock it with gems but you need to open chests from battle pass or ranked tickets

each day you have 1 free ranked ticket

[fierce moth]

Just purchased Stelle

[stone anvil]

nevermind me

[fierce moth]

Won 9 cosmetic chests, opened all of them, got a legendary album calls entrepreneur, but it can't be found in my collection. What the hell

(I even figured out how to open chests for a while... No one tell me I should drag a chest to the platform 😅 )

[stone anvil]

is it bug? 🤔 https://www.reddit.com/r/PlayTheBazaar/comments/1q733au/where_are_all_my_collectibles/

[maiden widget]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2870350/Pipistrello_and_the_Cursed_Yoyo/ this looks super fun

[fierce moth]

👀 First time to be failed. Aquatic sets, make sense why I'm defeated

🤔 Tech weapons can't play debuff is annoying

[stone anvil]

enemy has 20 hp 😭

[fierce moth]

🤔 The game start to be laggy hard after run it 4h

Clicked an icon multiple times but no respond, or the battle didn't run

The game feel tired earlier than me lol

[indigo shadow]

Fane, did you saw the second trailer of He-Man?

[junior oyster]

Nope

[sudden anchor]

Kirra, I am so happy for you, you can totally make it and live there, even when it's 1200km away from home. Your mental will get better from abscence of problematic relationships and perhaps this will cure the relationship on both sides too. Just a little potential sideeffect. But don't forget it's normal to have drawbacks, which can happen. So don't be too harsh with yourself in your new life!!

[fierce moth]

Tomorrow is red envelope day, which mean I must consume the whole day and 4h at night on "regular work" (no sense and mad for me) for keeping family relationships...

But it maybe a good time to start to figure out which start scene do I want after I reached. Zao gave a good direction 🤔

[gilded elm]

Well, that's not something you want to see in your YT feed lol

[warped wren]

💀

I need to see this

[ebon meadow]

Rumors

But bad ones that make u gasp

[warped wren]

it's not though, which you'd know if you had seen the video

title is slightly clickbait though but that's par for the course these days

[twilit mountain]

Discord can lick [redacted] for all I care

[warped wren]

the issue with this stuff, whether Discord does it or YT does it or the UK / Australian govts do it or whoever, is that it's a lot of pomp and show and making the right noises about an important issue, that doesn't actually do anything meaningful for the benefit of consumers because actually doing so would be antithetical to profit-making. Instead, all we get is another avenue of exploitation, except this one is legitimized and obfuscated.

and obviously it's a global, systemic problem

[twilit mountain]

It doesn't even solve the issue they are trying to solve because all it's going to do is screw over people who are already setting up barriers of entry and other methods to prevent abuse or other possible dangerous situations for the ones these changes are supposedly protecting (because the people who are going to try and do horrific things are just going to do them anyway, it's incredibly easy to access and find these things and there's no protections or anything like that to them)

[warped wren]

yeah that's what I mean, it's not meant to actually solve anything because that's too much work and a loss in profit

like, think about it - logically, if you run a company like Discord and are serious about preventing abuse, what would you do? Have an actual, sizeable moderation team to analyze user reports, flag the p3d0/illegal ones, and either IP ban and/or notify local law enforcement.

but that takes money and resources and implicitly assumes responsibility for on-platform behavior, all 3 being things that tech firms are LOATHE to do

and govts don't have the balls to enforce this because ha ha funding money

the fact that Discord have no intention of actually protecting children is blatantly obvious from one thing: the focus is entirely on user verification. There is absolutely zero chatter on dealing with abusers who bypass this or even people who ARE identified as adults but indulge in abusive or threatening behavior.

this whole thing is a smokescreen to 1. get access to stratified user data which is MUCH more valuable than anonymized, and 2. wash their hands off of any legal liability whatsoever

[twilit mountain]

Better than I could put it, yeah. Partially because I'm terrible at dodging the filter.

[abstract karma]

what if i dont have webcam ?

[warped wren]

prepare to upload your real ID

[gilded elm]

Discord is going to assume you are a teenager. So any content on Discord that requires being older than a teenager is locked out for you.

[abstract karma]

or migrate to another software like i migrated to discord 🤷‍♂️

[warped wren]

my bigger worry is this trend is gonna become the norm

for all firms

especially if govt keeps siding with them / initiating it themselves as they have so far

[abstract karma]

Well Cyberpunk

[desert jasper]

I have a webcam but it has been pointing at the ceiling for last
5 years? apart from during interviews (where I had discord closed)

[gilded elm]

That's generally how it starts yeah. Something that's ubiquitous and difficult to motivate people to boycott slowly erodes at your expectations and it just becomes normalized across the board. Much like the current state of video game monetization models IMO.

[twilit mountain]

My webcam is built into my laptop 😔

[abstract karma]

^ basically thats why happened from own software to digital licenses

[desert jasper]

Rip
They can see your face whenever

[gilded elm]

Is Discord irreplaceable? No, but it's definitely going to be tough trying to convince (particularly younger generations) to care in numbers that actually matter.

[warped wren]

yes

good parallel

another is subscription services for every single thing

[twilit mountain]

Not really. You have almost always just owned the license not the software.

[warped wren]

depends, for several things you actually owned the product

[abstract karma]

internet already became searched and visible place.. not as it was firstly publiced to be anonymous freedom..

And since younger generation overrun it they wanna check and then spy on common folks too

legally

[warped wren]

e.g. if you bought an old Nintendo console and its cartridges, that wasn't a license. You physically owned the products. It couldn't be taken off at the whim of Nintendo.

[gilded elm]

Remember when Netflix had the world convinced that a subscription model was good? Until other companies decided Netflix had a good thing and they all decided to stop licensing their content to Netflix and just build out their own streaming platforms lmao

[twilit mountain]

Can you give me some examples, cuz even discs for software in the really early 2000s were stated as legally just the license not the software

[twilit mountain]

Yes it could, they in fact had the ability to lock down original Nintendo DSes remotely

[warped wren]

I dunno which variant you're talking about but the absolute original ones they could not. Same with PS, Dreamcast, Xbox

same with ownership of the disc-based games, at the time

hence that famous PS advert about how to share games

[gilded elm]

I'm fairly sure younger generations (namely Gen Z and Gen Alpha) simply do not care about online privacy in the same way prior generations do.

How can you care about what has been normal your whole life?

[twilit mountain]

Ok. I don't really want to argue about it but I read the legal stuff on this growing up.

[warped wren]

iirc the legalese around licensing w.r.t. CDs was with softwares like Photoshop or OSes like Windows

where you also needed to go online once to register the product

but like, the old old games that needed no internet at all, those were very much indistinguishable from physical products

[gilded elm]

Video game licensing started happening in the early 2000s? No?

Anything prior to that, you owned it.

[warped wren]

yeah like one of my first CD-based video games was Icewind Dale 2

no connection required, no nothing. I installed it on 3 different computers, gave it two friends to install and play. No issues, no nada.

[gilded elm]

Yeah product activation was tied to the CD key, there were no online checks, you just had to have a valid CD key.

[warped wren]

that was local activation only, correct

like just to make the CD read on your machine

[solemn harness]

nearly any game made prior to 1999 required you to reference the manual, as an anti-piracy measure

[gilded elm]

Ah, the good old days of CD key generators lmao

[solemn harness]

"please enter the third word on page 24 to continue" vibes

[warped wren]

lmao I remember that with some rando game someone gifted me

they should bring that shit back lol

[solemn harness]

literal example: https://uwaterloo.ca/computer-museum/blog/dont-copy-floppy-kings-quest-and-fight-against-piracy

"In order to verify your legal ownership, please use your King's Quest IV manual to answer the following question: On page 4, what is the seventh word in the first paragraph?"

[gilded elm]

Granted, buying a game back then still never granted you rights to the intellectual property itself.

Some people might assume it did.

The only rights you had with regards to IP was the ability to use the software.

You still didn't have distribution rights.

[warped wren]

IP ownership is different from product ownership and has been so since the USPTO set up their shit

[desert jasper]

I'm sure EU would do something about that tbh
not the states though

[warped wren]

I also remember having a giant flipcase of movie and music CDs

[gilded elm]

Yeah, so owning the physical media didn't mean you were allowed to make copies and give them away or sell them

You could make copies, just not give them away or sell them

[warped wren]

man those were good times, when your worry was more about "god I hope someone doesn't scratch my disc" rather than "god I hope Netflix doesn't wake up one and decide to obliterate my favorite shows because some nerd told them to replace it with some garbage"

[gilded elm]

Blowing on discs, washing discs over water, cleaning sprays... all kinds of stuff we did back then lol

[warped wren]

who tf washed discs with water

[solemn harness]

kids that got sticky candy on them

[gilded elm]

Should be fine as long as it's completely dry when in use

But also some places might have some seriously hard water with lots of mineralization which maybe could make it worse too

As an American, my personal data has been breached, sold and changed hands so many times from the last couple decades of exposures that I'm starting to become desensitized to moral appeals to privacy.

[solemn harness]

discs are actually more vulnerable to scratches on the top side (where the label is) than the bottom, somewhat counterintuitively

[warped wren]

what

[solemn harness]

the physical structure is: label -> aluminum -> polycarbonate

it is very easy to scratch through the label and damage the aluminum, it requires significantly more effort to cause the same level of damage from the other side

[warped wren]

huh

I had no idea

[solemn harness]

most scratches on the bottom are superficial, as CDs use CIRC to rebuild missing bits around minor scuffs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-interleaved_Reed–Solomon_coding)

not sure what DVDs use but it's probably similar

https://wiki.lyrion.org/uploads/4/47/Cd_structure.jpg for reference, to see just how much thicker the bottom layer is

data isn't actually stored in the aluminum, but it's required for the laser to read data off the disc

[gilded elm]

[warped wren]

Unrealistic. If it actually happened, nobody would know till it was over.

[twilit mountain]

"Adobe, redact all these files please" ass government lol

[warped wren]

Istg

[warped wren]

@gilded elm https://www.reddit.com/r/BloodRavens40k/comments/1r684oi/bjorns_awakening/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

randomly popped up on my feed

peak comedy

[gilded elm]

They should give Bjorn a cameo in DoW4 lol

[warped wren]

that would be hilarious

[fierce moth]

First time to sleep 7h once time! Cool.

13 days left before the free day. Less than 2 weeks! Cool.

Just get up.

I guess Bazaar act the key. Go on playing that after come back from the regular work

End of April, 0.5 of poe 2 will come. Nice

I need to think which build can I play at beginning of April

Hope someone cook a field spears ritualist guide after many teasers

[fierce moth]

😂 Quite surprised to see my elder brothers to play nioh 3

I'm confused when Huawei release a laptop with rtx 5060

They're communicating how to play soul-like games and how to play this game

[fierce moth]

Oh I see. It's ASUS

Lol ROG laptop are as expensive as Alien

[short bolt]

anyone want to play idle game with me ?

[fierce moth]

lol the same destination, ticket of high-speed rail is ¥872, it spend 9h50mins to arrive, go from 07:18;

ticket of plane is ¥535, it spend 2h30mins to arrive, go from 15:05 (I can select flight at afternoon).

[fierce moth]

Watched a 125mins movie about how a poor racer win a top-tier rally race by their hard work and I'm quite immersed and focused so I'm hungry, it's why I attracted by smell of skewers made by octopus legs :)

The story is ended by their self-made race car is trashed completely after they push over the finish line. The car was experienced a lot and it's the highlight period of this movie... No spoilers here fortunately :)

https://youtu.be/R2TrSn8yKJA?si=C7batfEfqFCMfE_v
Oh, this trailer can tell something about how amazing the process of race is (notice the lost hood)

[desert jasper]

Nioh isn't exactly souls like

[sand wigeon]

yeah it is lol

nioh is a souls-like

that is its main genre

[twilit mountain]

Nioh is like, the most souls-like game I can think of that isn't FromSoft

[desert jasper]

Nah that'd be Lies of P

[sand wigeon]

uh no

[twilit mountain]

I view that as more Sekiro like tbqh

[sand wigeon]

realistically it’s probably thymesia

but nobody but deranged insane asylum patients like me know the depths of all the random souls-likes

like who tf knows what thymesia is except the most souls fan souls fans

[desert jasper]

The reason why I said nioh isn't exactly souls like is because of the skill tree, stances and gearing
But yeah, it does have souls like stuff

[twilit mountain]

The only part of that not in a FromSoft souls game is a skill tree

[sand wigeon]

yeah

[twilit mountain]

And that's not what makes a souls like. A souls like is defined by the gameplay style.

[sand wigeon]

“gearing” it has random stats and stuff but also you either grind 200 hours and become op because of it or you just use whatever you get and it’s fine anyway

the gearing in nioh is widely agreed upon to be god awful

[sand wigeon]

yep

monster hunter is also a souls-like

[silent steeple]

Sekiro is from Fromsoft and a soulslike with skill tree

I was really excited for the next fromsoft game only to learn its another platform exclusive game, this time for nintendo

[desert jasper]

Never played sekiro

[vagrant topaz]

Me neither
All I know is that their shadow died twice
Quite the feat

[sand wigeon]

modern nioh is more alike to sekiro than souls

same with lies of p

while nioh 1 is pretty quintessentially not a good game, they better figured out what they wanted to do in nioh 2 and went in on counter mechanics similar to sekiro

cleanse pools, counter attacks in specific ways, damage resistances, weakspots etc

rather than the straight forward combat of demon souls to dark souls 3

[sand wigeon]

it’s from soft’s best game

far better than any of their other modern games

i’d say the only competitor is ac6

sekiro is also my favorite from soft game aside from maybe us release king’s field 4

[silent steeple]

ac6?

[sand wigeon]

armored core 6

[silent steeple]

Thank god cuz I was thinking how are they comparing this to assassin's creed 🤣

[sand wigeon]

nono lol

sekiro has the best story in any from soft game by a massive margin

its art design is beautiful, competed only by bloodborne

it uses large amounts of relevant folklore and spiritual belief to japan in lots of very interesting ways

it has by far the best combat

[twilit mountain]

Assassin's Creed hasn't had a numbered entry since Black Flag, I think by technicality we're on like, game 9 or 10 for "main series" entries now?

[sand wigeon]

it’s compact and doesn’t draw itself out unnecessarily

my only complaint is that we’ll never get a sekiro 2 despite how many plot threads were left open for one lol

[sand wigeon]

tbh i like modern assassin’s creed. the problem is also that it’s not rly assassin’s creed lol

[twilit mountain]

There is no Sekiro 2, no Bloodborne 2, no modern King's Field, no Demon's Souls 2, no Dark Souls 4, and you'll like it.

[twilit mountain]

Yeah I mean, same. They're fun, at worst they're just okay games, they're just not really the series they say they are. Haven't been since Black Flag or arguably Origins.

[sand wigeon]

if they ever rebooted king’s field like they did armored core i’d probably genuinely cry

the only other game i’ve done that with is the okami 2 announcement, i think? iirc i broke down into tears when we were watching the thing that got announced at

[sand wigeon]

yeah

[twilit mountain]

IIRC they estimated that to be another 2 or 3 years out at least, but still. It's happening.

[sand wigeon]

yeah

rediscovering king’s field and king’s field likes as an adult after playing them as a child but somewhat forgetting about them was genuinely moving for me lol

(i say king field’s likes because there’s not rly a good name for the genre)

[twilit mountain]

I propose the name "circle strafers"

[sand wigeon]

i propose “walk backwards a bit so they miss” too

truly revolutionary gameplay

or lunacid where the game starts as a “walk backwards a bit” and ends as “ultrakill”

[twilit mountain]

Nah can't agree with that. Lunacid is good.

[sand wigeon]

lol

that game is great

also the dev is clinically insane because they made a game in the original king’s field level creator???

in 2025?

like what. who does that

lunacid was also made by the same person who made spooky’s jumpscare mansion

[fierce moth]

🙃 I wish I can get heart attack per time I heard someone to play fireworks.

[twilit mountain]

Might I suggest earplugs or something similar?

[ebon meadow]

Asking for a hart attack is new lmao ,u don't want those believe me

[fierce moth]

It's a big change that the time I wear my earphone from 0h to 4-5h per day indeed

[fierce moth]

Or deafness.

[twilit mountain]

Nnno that's pretty bad too. I spent a whopping two months deaf in one ear and it was miserable.

[fierce moth]

I selected earphone instead of earplug because I find some relaxing music surround me is much better than just reduce the noise a bit

hah...Almost forget I have a earplug package which it saved in the station 4 days...

[ebon meadow]

The thing with earplugs they don't help that much I still hear from the vibration

I know because I use heavy duty ones at work when I can't cope with machinery anymore and I can mostly hear everything

[fierce moth]

headphones like your profile is the best but find one which don't pressure my ears with my glasses is... 🤔

[ebon meadow]

I just isolateed my room with foam for fireworks ,we get them very often here to

[ebon meadow]

I was specifically looking for headset that doesn't damage my ear cup

Took me ages to find it

I was looking for something that is made for aviation like helicopters but Seinhaiser does big cup phones that covers most ear

I m very happy with them I just need to find foam replacement now

Bull running every summer for a week underneath my apartment so fireworks go of all day long ...

That's how they mark start and finish of every run

[jovial bane]

oof, how much they were ? :d

Sennheiser is quite a brand

Although they do have "cheap" headphones

[ebon meadow]

140 ISH euros I think it's been like 3 years

[jovial bane]

Not bad, I'm yet to try them

[ebon meadow]

Laying

I bought few thing I counted the microphone in as well

[jovial bane]

that's really affordable

especially considering how stupidly expensive headphones they do produce as well

[maiden widget]

if you think how long these last its kind of cheap even if you go higher, my philips fidelio x2 are now about 10y old and work just fine still

[obtuse rune]

New Headset whodis? What is everyone's favorite headset to use when gaming?

Not me looking for reccomendations

[fierce moth]

The biggest problem is how much budget you have xd

[desert jasper]

Well
I have been using this logitech g35 since I got it
... in like 2009

[fierce moth]

What

It's more insane than Faust's one

[obtuse rune]

That's absolutely wild. I have a keyboard that old but headset... whew

[fierce moth]

How old

[obtuse rune]

Its about 15 years old

I've seen older but this thing has been through so much

[fierce moth]

WHAT

[ebon meadow]

Logis keyboards are tank