📚┃off-topic

[silent steeple]

To respec xD

[sand wigeon]

why are you respeccingn

how much criticism are you taking

[silent steeple]

Either im having a bad day or ugs arent for me

I still wanna use faith but wanna respec into dex

Like this sword hits like a truck for sure but my god is it slow

[sand wigeon]

and what weapon do you plan on using

[silent steeple]

That curved great sword

Murakumo?

I guess thats how its spelled

[sand wigeon]

that’s not a faith weapon

that’s a pure dex weapon

also why are you only using those miracles

[silent steeple]

!!

[sand wigeon]

yeah but them you may as well just go dex

your faith ain’t doing anything for you

where’s lightning arrow, darkmoon blade, even sunlight spear or way of white corona

i’m so baffled at your setup i’m ngl

[silent steeple]

Im just lvling one of each attribute. I dnt wanna play as a faith caster u know

[sand wigeon]

then use a faith weapon

[silent steeple]

I have a pyro lvld too but i dnt use any pyromancies. Instead I use dark exile gs and onyx blade xD

[silent steeple]

Thats what I was doing with this weapon but its too slow for my liking. I thought i'll go lightning infused murakumo

[sand wigeon]

don’t use lightning infused anything

use a generic infusement so you can buff your weapon off your high stat buff on yorshka’s and high faith

that’ll get you the most damage

Saint Bident is a great option for that because it’s considered a generic weapon

[silent steeple]

Yeah but come on! How much dmg are we really missing by not doing that tho..if it was a speed run or something then sure

[sand wigeon]

uh

a lot

that’s like the whole point of being at a high faith

[silent steeple]

I'll have to swing a couple of times more at best xD

[sand wigeon]

also you’re in ng+5 you need the damage where you can get it

[sand wigeon]

you can easily het about 100 extra ar minimum

that’s 100 less damage per swing

[silent steeple]

Isnt bident a spear?

I've never used one of those. Guess i can try that

[sand wigeon]

800 ar on a saint bident with proper infusions, stats and buffing means you kill a ng+5 midir in 344 swings, not including crits

500 ar on an improperly built bident makes that 551 swings, same rules

you tell me if that’s one or two swings

[silent steeple]

I'll be honest with ya, I never thought i swung more than 30 times for midir and u're saying its 300 lol

[sand wigeon]

yeah?

you’re in ng+5

anyway your best stat spread would be sharp infused min strength requirements if you want to 1h + ~40 dex + ~60 fth + lightning buff from yorshka’s chime

what class did you start as

[silent steeple]

My sorcerer build xD

[silent steeple]

I think knight, honestly cant remember

[silent steeple]

Yup! Thats pretty much what i was planning on. I just need something that either swings faster or leaves me with enough stamina to move

[sand wigeon]

there you go

it ain't the best option for this build but you can benefit from leo ring on midir and the stab attacks make it easy to hit the weaker head hitbox

swap chloranthy to hornet ring when you trigger a critical animation

lightning is neutral on midir and he's weak to thrust, too

[sand wigeon]

i apologize i did accidentally screw up the numbers here

the statsheets weren't formatting well on my phone and they were bleeding into each other

anyway that's about 42 hits if i didn't get my math wrong again

factoring in resistances and assuming you exclusively hit body, not head

give or take since i didn't calculate his layered phys resistance and lightning res and just grouped it together with an estimate

~26 hits if you exclusively hit head

[silent steeple]

I knew it! I knew that damned lizard didn't take more than 30 hits

[sand wigeon]

yeah no mb i accidentally added an extra 0 lmao

anyway that's with a significantly faster weapon than the ugs

now the ugs you were using is considered one of the best fth weapons in the entire game but you said you wanted to do dex so

[silent steeple]

It was fun up until this dlc

[sand wigeon]

ng+ is not considered good in any souls game but 2

[silent steeple]

But for midir it felt slow. That means its definitely gonna be slow for gael

[fierce moth]

Update: Glad to see the print still keep the original colour after 0.5 year+ :)

(The cat behind? Oh it's a kitten,towel. He is exploring)

[warped wren]

I love your cat names lol. Yarn, Towel

hilarious

[junior oyster]

I was looking for the cat in the pictures

Good camouflage

[twilit mountain]

Doin pretty alright

[fierce moth]

:)

[fierce moth]

lol it'll very fun to drive a car and reach the top then go down. Interesting entertainment from the desert

Test both of the car and your drive skills

[pine summit]

nte is may 15th release

[fierce moth]

lol...??? Interesting, never know it can be negative

[desert jasper]

Why couldn't it be?
If it can be positive

[sand wigeon]

also if it can’t go negative then it prevents some amount of the Hate Spiral and the Hate Spiral fuels reddit

[solemn harness]

negative account karma can't go below -100, and you also can't lose more than 100 karma from a single post

EACommunityTeam is a good example of this: they have a single comment at -668K, but their account karma is at +12,466

IIRC both of those caps were added because people were deliberately posting as many inflammatory comments as possible, treating negative karma as a competition

[silent steeple]

Idk how I feel about the whole karma system

U can make a single post to karma farm in any big subreddit like drop taylor swift post abt fav song or a pic abt a cute top and u instantly get 100+ comment/post karma at the least

[sand wigeon]

it's inherently made to insert bias and spark outrage

[silent steeple]

Like on one hand, its a very reddit like feature

It suits the playform and redditors to a t

Idk

[junior oyster]

Me just lurking on reddit at work

I almost never use it at home

[junior stirrup]

@fierce moth

Presented without context for people not in on the news 😉

[fierce moth]

why?

[junior stirrup]

Confusion is somewhat fun 🙂

Anyway, it's been in western news recently that Draco Malfoy of the Harry Potter series has become a meme symbol of the new year in China as his family name supposedly reads a bit like "horse" and "fortune".

[fierce moth]

Oh... So it's suppose to be "confusing". hhhhhhh I see

Yes it's my style

[desert jasper]

Ah yea
I had a look at the photo on mobile and didn't even realize it's him

[abstract karma]

was so fast that i bugged bar lol

[fierce moth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyFhv-D_Uy8
The Highly Sensitive Person’s Survival Guide: How to Build Your Greenhouse

Sensory overload... Oh it's a good term.

I always under this status so I want to do nothing because I'm lost in info I got from the internet

...This video is introduced my trouble accurately

[desert jasper]

That also happens if extra monsters spawn in there

[fierce moth]

...Slept 2h for a dinner coma. 🥱

Good weather for enjoying sleep

[stone anvil]

everyday you are sleeping less hours, at this rate your eyes will get hurt

[abstract karma]

Finally i'm free

[fierce moth]

hhhhhhh quite fun. Not a bad try.

[jovial bane]

@fierce moth found my fav flavor of monster

[fierce moth]

Daily worship for pro artworks 🙏
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/lGwyye

[junior oyster]

Lol the name

[gilded elm]

I can't imagine that's their real name, unless their parents really hated him.

[fierce moth]

lol interesting. So the dev team of tq 2 have developed another games before tq 2

[junior oyster]

Yea definitely a pen name to make fun of that guy

[gilded elm]

lol very likely, there's basically no chance a South Korean parent would name their child that

[junior oyster]

How do we know they are South Korean?

[fierce moth]

lol more interesting... I find the artist who did orc watchtower concept, then I discovered he's working on tq 2 now

[gilded elm]

We don't, just more so that if that was a legitimate name, that seems like the highest probability lol

But yeah, probably just a pen name as you say, and probably not even Korean

[junior oyster]

Yea I'm thinking it's a westerner lol

[gilded elm]

lol

@warped wren Trying it out, could be a fun way to keep my typing skills sharp. Maybe even improve them.

[warped wren]

Yeah it's a really fun gamification of typing

I have seen my WPM (at least as measured by this game) go up a little bit

[gilded elm]

Not surprising. This game 100% will increase your WPM over time if it's forcing you to compete against the clock.

I'm a pretty good typer, I can confidently say that. I haven't had to look at my keyboard for typing for over 2 decades now.

[silent steeple]

Damn a lot of ppl really like this game huh

[gilded elm]

IMO based on what I played, if you want to become good at typing... this game is a solid way to do it.

[silent steeple]

I just came from a server where someone posted this

[gilded elm]

I wonder if this game "trolls" you with words. Like making you type words that are harder to type because the keys are unintuitively apart from each other.

Assuming a QWERTY keyboard layout, of course.

My very first run:

[warped wren]

174 is pretty crazy damn

I think my best so far has been 126

[warped wren]

It's a creative concept and they've designed it to be simple but engaging

[gilded elm]

The WPM in the game might be a bit more generous than online typing tests, not sure.

I don't think I'm 170+ WPM in reality, tbh.

Seems a bit too fast even for me lol

Yeah I think I'm closer to like 120-130. It also depends on what kind of typing test you perform. Typing a series of words vs typing full sentences with punctuation included are completely different measurements.

This site is pretty cool: https://monkeytype.com/
Gives you different kinds of typing tests, like time-based, words and quotes/sentences.

Numbers might be my weakness. I can do numpad perfectly, but I sometimes still struggle with the top row numbers.

[jade jackal]

Good, now play Berry Bury Berry

[gilded elm]

I've considered it. I'm kind of worn out from incremental games, but the idea of it being a psychological horror is interesting.

[jade jackal]

i put about 10 hours in it, and think im done. this weekend is dedicated to an undisclosed video game demo testing, then ill go back again to it

[gilded elm]

Kept this open in a browser tab so I could finish it. Watching more of it and I thought "slop layer" was hilarious, I never heard this term before. (We don't use AI to generate code at our company)

"If you don't hire juniors today, you won't have seniors in 5 years" is so true and really concerns me.

Low Level as a guest on TheStandup: https://youtu.be/_CzEmKTk5Rs

[fierce moth]

🤔 ...I should give spellforce 3 a chance again

Last play is a 2024 thing lol

I'm confused why 2 versions here

Oh that's a full pvp version

I found myself never play a fantasy game based on medieval era, it maybe a good start

I have no idea why. I just no impression on any games I played are based on this period

[abstract karma]

isnt spellforce RST ? i would recommend some classic RPG but you are quite heavy depended on Graphic looks
And there are really rallly small number of good RPG's which such dont have any kind of soul / rogue or ARPG elements

You would need to wait on new releases as Gothic remake for example Or oblivion remaster

or screw fantasy and KCD

[warped wren]

This is a problem extending beyond the coding industry, but CEOs are too busy buying yachts and 8th homes and building nuclear bunkers to notice

[gilded elm]

I wonder how it will all play out for businesses once the operational debt incurred from AI starts accumulating out of control, combined with a reduction in skilled workers (due to a diminished "junior" to "senior" pipeline).

Because I think the video is right about AI creating more problems than it solves in businesses.

[warped wren]

You can just look at Salesforce for a preview

Dumbasses laid off thousands in 2025. Projected AI enablement didn't materialize. Most of junior personnels' time goes into correcting AI hallucinations, ending up arguably spending more manhours than its saving. The people who actually knew the processes and how to fix them were laid off. The juniors aren't really learning much other than how to fix the AI. Fustercluck of epic proportions.

We're gonna be seeing a lot of that this year

[gilded elm]

Yeah, I think so too. We might be witnessing the first signs that the AI bubble is beginning to burst.

I heard Salesforce retired their Heroku product, not sure if that's related or if Heroku just wasn't good business.

Oh they retired Heroku for Enterprise subscriptions.

That's honestly super crazy. Why would they stop accepting Enterprise customers... that's big money.

This does kind of make it sound like Salesforce "lost the technical competence" to actually support this product.

[fierce moth]

Figured out why I can't play spellforce for a while in last play, good

The gameplay is more confusing than frostpunk

[gilded elm]

Is it? Are you playing with Chinese localization?

[fierce moth]

I stick on a super simple problem. How to open chests?

😂 😅 ..........

[gilded elm]

Right, okay then.

[fierce moth]

I think it's the UI issue. Control UI is too confusing

[fierce moth]

Sigh it sounds quite silly indeed

[junior oyster]

Is there nothing in options to show you? Although I'm not even sure if that's a chest. Never played that game so

[ebon meadow]

Looks more like interactable table than a chest

[jade jackal]

Anyone else in the Dark Haven thing?

I see, have a pleasant week lol

[azure stratus]

didnt know there was a thing. jelly.

[vagrant topaz]

I know it's very early in development but what the videos showcase doesnt attract me

[junior oyster]

What's dark haven?

Does it have something to do with darkest dungeon?

I think I've come to hate procedurally generated worlds

[sand wigeon]

why would “dark haven” have anything to do with “darkest dungeon”

[twilit mountain]

Upcoming ARPG by former D1/D2 devs (yes that's what they lead with, games they made over 25 years ago) that has genuinely absurd system requirements lol

[gilded elm]

Been loosely following it... but what they have so far hasn't managed to inspire any enthusiasm on my part.

[junior oyster]

Lol I looked up the game and the moment I saw procedurally I noped out lol

[twilit mountain]

I'm just baffled that instead of giving literally any examples of what they've done since, they pander to rose-tinted glasses oldheads with "we made that game you liked when you were 16"

[gilded elm]

I hope they just remake D2. Then maybe people will realize why they don't actually play D2 anymore.

[twilit mountain]

Because it sucks and the more games try to emulate things from it the worse they feel

[gilded elm]

You'd think all the praise D2 gets that D2 Resurrected or Project Diablo 2 would be the most popular ARPGs on the market.

But they're a blip, they don't even register as a number in the market.

[twilit mountain]

I have genuinely had PoE players argue to me that "D2 is the best ARPG to ever be made" and I'm just like... why aren't you playing it then? Tell me why.

[junior oyster]

My favourite iteration of the necro is definitely from d2 though

But yea I can't go back to d2 without modding the game somehow lol

[twilit mountain]

D4 Necro is basically D2 Necro but cooler in every possible way

[junior oyster]

Probably but so far d4 is a worse version of d3 for me so I just can't feel motivated to play it

[desert jasper]

Reminds me of a certain someone on this server
every arpg is just a lame d2 clone apparently

[twilit mountain]

Fair enough ig. I don't see that personally

[twilit mountain]

Does it happen to start with a G or is it the one who starts with an O?

[desert jasper]

Think it was z?

Can't remember that well anymore

[junior oyster]

Poe just hits different though. Not poe2 however. Poe2 is worse than d4 for me

[junior oyster]

I mean if we didn't have 'clones' we wouldn't have many games 😂

[desert jasper]

Yeah but he refused to see that even if something started as something made based on it that it's way more than just a clone

[junior oyster]

Poe was based on d2 iirc but they improved it overtime and it became its own thing

[gilded elm]

PoE took inspiration from D2 yeah, but I sense there was a lot of internal disagreement on things (just because of the fact that Ruthless exists at all)

Ruthless mode is best for those that want to experiment or relive a longer and slower Path of Exile that closely resembles its older iterations and game design principles.
Basically PoE's development in later years moved towards faster, less punishing gameplay.

[desert jasper]

some ppl on the forums still claim there has been no power creep to player power and we are still same lvl as in essence league

Casually just crafting 1k dps axe, yup

[twilit mountain]

Power creep is inevitable, trying to avoid it too hard eventually just results in the game feeling stagnant

[desert jasper]

Indeed

Like remember when ppl measured their dps in shapers per second?
when he had... 20mill hp, was it?

[twilit mountain]

Has his health ever been changed? It's been about 70mil give or take for as long as I can remember

[desert jasper]

Yeah it got boosted when maven etc became a thing after sirus being the thing
got like 4x boosted

[twilit mountain]

Huh. Alright then.

Somehow never noticed

[desert jasper]

Tbf we have so much dmg these days it's ridiculous

[twilit mountain]

Suffering

[desert jasper]

Also, Dark Haven
Not a fan of procedually genered and no shit it'll need way too beefy pc when everything breaks

Did check the companys site and there they show what other games some of the devs worked on. like one was d3 guy
can't really remember the others though

[warped wren]

I want every single D2 d!ckeater to go back to that game and take their opinions with them so that the ARPG genre can move forward rather than keep trying to jump backward

In this regard I have a lot of respect for EHG because they did many things to push the ARPG envelope, far more than GGG or Blizzard

[desert jasper]

Every now and then i do still play d2 and have fun
But dear god it's so dated
Why is stamina a thing?
Who decided on runewords not being visible anywhere in the game?
immunities. accuracy
armor is silly, so is block

[warped wren]

I also think EHG did a good job with the armor formula and implementation, and with Block

Credit where credit is due

[twilit mountain]

Don't you like how the only way to move at a pace that feels anything close to good pre-teleport means you have to open yourself up to having literally zero defenses? :D

[desert jasper]

I sure do
My favorite

And wasn't armor just essentially how likely you get hit anyway?

[twilit mountain]

Yup

[warped wren]

So armor in D2 is... evasion?

[desert jasper]

Yes

[twilit mountain]

Yup. It's called "defense rating"

[junior oyster]

Hit chance was always fun

[twilit mountain]

And because of how stats work in that game basically every class just gets the minimum str and dex they need to equip gear and then dump every other point into vitality

[warped wren]

Groundbreaking

[desert jasper]

I always hated that tbh

[twilit mountain]

my biggest complaint in it is that people genuinely think itemization is good in it but every fking build boils down to the same damn uniques because it has the PoE2 problem of "+skills is the best thing in the entire game and there's no contest"

[warped wren]

Well we already know that so many of PoE2's dogwater decisions stem from D2 nostalgia

[twilit mountain]

Phys exclusive leech raaaaaaaaaaah

[desert jasper]

Same uniques, same runewords, terrible memes

[twilit mountain]

Oh but you don't get it, sometimes a build wants a magic amulet with +4 or +5 to their skills! It's so good!

[desert jasper]

I remember my first time playing LoD and getting to act5 on nightmare
and it had the spear cats
It was such an enjoyable experience for my barbarian

[twilit mountain]

The shitass lightning ghost things in Baal's area ripping things to shreds because they invented the janky thing of lightning having insane top-end damage

[desert jasper]

Yeah those too
Love to see those

[warped wren]

oh you mean the design concept that's led to lightning damage being a pain in the ass to balance for the last decade?

[fierce moth]

Dreamed about I went back to school, taking a lesson to review what I learnt, the teacher asked me to answer her questions but I remember nothing, then someone noticed me I'm stroke after the lesson...

😂

[twilit mountain]

That exact one, yes

[warped wren]

amazing

can you imagine where PoE, much less PoE2, would be today if GGG didn't try to build a shrine to D2?

[jade jackal]

Dark Haven is a mixed team that includes some of D2 LOD's developers, yes, to previous questions

It is currently in POC Alpha, heading towards crowdfunding

[desert jasper]

piece of crap alpha?

[jade jackal]

Current testers are NDA'd, so i can't share anything from it, but a public demo, possibly of the current build, will be free for all very very soon

[desert jasper]

Honestly I doubt poe would've gotten anywhere

[gilded elm]

PoE probably wouldn't exist. D2 served as the inspiration for PoE, and when D3 clearly failed that's what motivated GGG to actually do something about the current state of ARPGs.

But it's a good thing too that GGG has moved away from D2 worship over time.

[warped wren]

They haven't though, as PoE2 demonstrates

[warped wren]

Bit of a reach IMO given that GGG's own innovations were quite literally genre defining. If anything, I think they held themselves back by trying to ape D2

[gilded elm]

GGG's innovations required a framework, a foundation. That's what D2 was to the trio who started PoE.

[lethal bane]

I mean D2 wasn't the only ARPG, there were others with similar formula. D2 was just the biggest and one of rhe better ones

[warped wren]

Yeah I mean, inspiration is one thing, trying to replicate it is another. I'm just utterly uncharitable w.r.t. D2 nostalgia.

[gilded elm]

It's no secret that GGG, founders, were obsessed with D2.

At some point, opinions seem to have diverged, though. Chris Wilson seemed to be the hardline D2 guy. The most traditional-minded, this seems to have led to the creation of Ruthless mode in PoE.

[warped wren]

It's not like Jonathan is any less hardline, PoE2's design decisions make it obvious

[gilded elm]

Yeah, I don't really disagree there.

I think Mark is probably driving a lot of the good decisions on PoE1 tbh

[lethal bane]

I would love to see more varied inspiration

It would be so healthy for the genre

Like when a fantasy author only ever reads fantasy it shows, it's the same in games TBH

[gilded elm]

I don't think Jonathan is as zealous as Chris (I don't think PoE2 is as bad as D2) though.

I get the feeling Mark is trying to be a voice of reason on PoE2 as well, lol. I think his experience as a player just gives him more useful insight into the playerbase.

[desert jasper]

Yeah, agree

[fierce moth]

Oh new dev interview from GGG, cool

hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Don't cross my legs
👀

What's rigging please?
emmm... Are you sure want to listen?
Sure, I worked ten metres from you but still no idea what your job is.
Blablablablablabla
(Play my phone seems that more interesting, yes)

hhhhhhh Very realistic reaction

[gilded elm]

lol I use OBS to record my clips and the game detected it

[fierce moth]

Oh damn real statue! It always looks cool.

[gilded elm]

Dammit, Steve!

[fierce moth]

The most annoying thing for a rigging artist is...

hhhhhhhh

hah... It's a very nice ending for an interview video

Thanks for the video, I know which version of Maya should I install in the future

My mood go better a lot after watched that

Cross legs become a GGG's exclusive meme ddefinitely hhhhh

Eben doing his jobs better and better. It's the most fun interview video he made so far

[fierce moth]

https://www.reddit.com/r/PcBuild/comments/1qxlh59/the_panini_press_gaming_pc_giveaway_to_enter_this/
Panini pc lol Love this

https://www.reddit.com/r/PcBuild/comments/1mj9sgx/toaster_pc_comment_on_this_post_to_enter_this/
Toaster pc looks cool too

[desert jasper]

Hah
that dnd spamming account
"i don't know why it flagged me as a spammer"
and now in fanart..

[jovial bane]

heh, good one

[fierce moth]

Messages in fan art channel: @mod @mod @mod

No idea why EHG don't think using a forum instead of a channel to avoid these spams is a good idea

The speed of Sebastian on producing new artworks is quite insane

Quite similar with what 11:00 mean for last epoch lol

Oh remind of why I think this artist is who I seen his artwork before now... The glacier yes

hah I'm sorry to know that

[maiden widget]

Not really but it's definitely not one of the worst ones either as you seem to say. It's been great historically and due to being that moddable. It's just extremely outdated nowadays with some dumb systems people thankfully left behind.

Music art and environments still bring others to just copy them too

[fierce moth]

Tried procreate on a apple shop, I don't know...

1. How to undo
2. Why I can't draw with selected brushes
3. How to erase

The advantage of procreate:

1. Various options for single brush
2. Apple pencil feel so good
3. Necessary actions are quite simple to use

(money for a 256gb ipad pro can buy a rtx 5070/5080 laptop. Oh... Apple pencil need to be paid separately)

[twilit mountain]

This is because Apple products are a scam

[jovial bane]

Borderline scam, because they do work. But definitely overpriced to infinity

[maiden widget]

Funnily enough the other stuff got more expensive due to ram prices so a MacBook air still is pretty cheap for what you get. They just need to stop scamming with storage prices

If I'd need a laptop I'd probably get another one from them. My 13y old one still works. Which is a big word for a dual core 1.3ghz machine but nothing died and it's all intact.

[fierce moth]

First time to see bunches of tamotos in front of me... Captured from a new supermarket.

Wild aesthetic these stems have...

[sand wigeon]

this is how most tomatoes are sold where i am

[desert jasper]

Some of them are sold like that here
they're usually a lot cheaper here
I notice they also don't taste as good

[jovial bane]

The other way around for me flavor wise

But it depends a lot on country of origin and the type of the tomato

[desert jasper]

Yeah
And to be fair, I'm not that big fan of tomatoes in the first place

[sand wigeon]

i personally only eat them off pewter

[desert jasper]

As long as you don't re-enact the scene from LotR where that guy eats the tomatoes

[jovial bane]

isn't that why people thought they were poisonous ?

[gilded elm]

They are to an extent for some people. Not everyone can tolerate nightshades.

Nightshade intolerance is uncommon but very much a real thing.

[ebon meadow]

U want to see tomatoes lol check out Tomatina festival in Spain

I don't even dare to go fk that lul

[fierce moth]

why

Tomato festival sounds cool

[jovial bane]

well that too, but common belief that they were poisonous at first was thanks to people ate them off pewter. And because of the acidity it resulted in lead ingestion.

[jovial bane]

Because it's the festival during which people throw tomatoes at each other

So basically food fight warzone

[fierce moth]

More cool

I can't join because I must wear glasses unfortunately

[junior oyster]

I understand it's a cultural thing but such a waste

[jovial bane]

Yeah it is, on the other hand I guess it's celebration of good harvest ? So at least it kind of makes sense

Even though IMO they should make world's biggest pizza or something like that instead

[desert jasper]

Kinda want some pizza tbh

[junior oyster]

I had some at the buffet I went to on Saturday

[ebon meadow]

It's actually uses the wasted tomatoes from a lot of places and they previously been treated so they can decompose faster and have a cleaning agent for the city waste pipes

They cannot be consumed

The reason I don't go because it still very messy and getting drunk and swimm in tomato juice is ..me no like I like to remain dry

[jovial bane]

Makes sense then

[ebon meadow]

Watched a video from tourist group like a week ago with before and after pictures , people looked like they went through ww1

[gilded elm]

[fierce moth]

Oh no, 8 mins remain only

[sudden anchor]

lol you were correct @sand wigeon

https://youtu.be/XEb89CQJPO4?si=Qi_UXqgbO3_tNBNJ

[gilded elm]

I mean if you really followed Dr. K's advice, "go touch grass" is pretty much half of his advice.

[sudden anchor]

I noticed he got more aggressive with that lately.

[stone anvil]

I can write a crime story from this

[gilded elm]

I may be dumb (likely), but I'm not sure I follow this train of thought lol

[stone anvil]

I watched this movie few weeks ago https://youtu.be/4lLVWhg-_ic I recommend it

[sudden anchor]

The asians bring banger entertainment lately.

[gilded elm]

Bah, I don't wanna work today.

[sudden anchor]

Why? Boring work today? Overhwelmed? Feeling sick? Etc

[gilded elm]

Probably just morning grogginess

My medication should be kicking in pretty soon, though

[sudden anchor]

I need to get that too. Mind if you share?

[gilded elm]

That would be very illegal considering Vyvanse is a Schedule II drug

[sudden anchor]

Some stimulants would work well with me (theorethically speaking). I would talk so much and have fun probably.

Did you feel anxious in conversations sometimes, before you got your diagnosis/meds?

[silent steeple]

Mine used to be a shot of espresso. Some days required 2

[gilded elm]

I've always had social anxiety, though hard to say whether that's because of ADHD.

[sudden anchor]

Yep, I usually wait about 30 mins after waking up, before I intake coffeine. Heard it amplifies the moment/cortisol. Tho 1 hour would be much better, but I can't.

[gilded elm]

I think my social anxiety probably stems from negative thoughts related to insecurities. CBT helps with that, recognizing that these thoughts are ridiculous and baseless.

My ADHD medication is more about restoring executive function. Things like task initiation, planning etc.

[sudden anchor]

Do you notice subtle changes in body language, mostly gestic aswell? Sometimes I got distracted by these in a negative Spirale way and made me feel too uncomfortable to focus on coherent speech lmao

Or I just got distracted/bored which made it hard to stay focused during conversations.

Idk, but I guess I could have adhd. This and some other things make me think that it might be related to it.

[gilded elm]

I haven't noticed any significant changes in my medicated vs non-medicated state that isn't cognitive tbh. Oh, except for the usual side effects that accompany amphetamine-based stimulants like Adderall and Vyvanse, such as excessive dryness or appetite changes.

[sudden anchor]

Do you feel down when amphetamine based Medications are at the end of their effect?

[gilded elm]

If by down you mean depressed, not really. I'm pretty confident my depression stems from the consequences of untreated ADHD.

Severe ADHD, when left untreated, can really ruin your life in ways that makes it hard not to be depressed. ADHD and Depression very often goes hand-in-hand for this reason. @twilit mountain knows what I'm talking about.

People (often family) will call you lazy. You might even start to hate yourself for being "lazy" or useless.

(Don't do this btw, calling someone with ADHD "lazy" is one of the worst things you could say to them)

[warped wren]

Oh you're a vyvanse user too eh

[gilded elm]

Are you? :O

[warped wren]

Yep

50mg per day

Though I now need to take another med to keep my heart rate under control

[gilded elm]

70mg for me. You probably know exactly what I go through off meds then lol

[warped wren]

Which I will hopefully get in a week or two

[warped wren]

It's a nightmare if you skip

Do not the skip

[gilded elm]

I heard about that, my psych always asks whether I've noticed any heart palpitations. I've been very fortunate.

[gilded elm]

This is meant to be a compliment, but now it makes sense why you and Deias are so good at PoE lmao

[warped wren]

The neurons be diverging

[gilded elm]

It's crazy what we can do when our brains want to focus on it.

[warped wren]

I think I'm off PoE for the foreseeable future though

Life is too busy

[gilded elm]

Gotta watch the young one?

[warped wren]

Yeah, parenting + adulting is just a lot of work

[gilded elm]

Yep, totally fair. If you don't have one already, I'd recommend a Steam Deck!

[warped wren]

Bold of you to assume that a toddler let's you use anything

[gilded elm]

lmao

[fierce moth]

So why?

[warped wren]

People with ADHD either can't pay attention AT ALL, or pay attention OBSESSIVELY. There's no middle ground. PoE rewards obsession.

[sudden anchor]

Why a steam deck over like asus rog ally? Or other handhelds with, based on specs, better price

[gilded elm]

Indeed. Unless we are in mortal danger (fight or flight response), our brains do whatever they want to do. If something is interesting, we can hyperfocus on it obsessively. If it's not interesting, nothing in the world can make us want to do it.

[desert jasper]

I'm also on adhd meds
don't like it

[gilded elm]

Steam Deck is still a good piece of hardware and I just prefer to give my money to Valve because they are simply a more consumer-friendly business and I know if I have problems with my Steam Deck then Valve is going to take care of me.

[sudden anchor]

Thanks, those are good points. I have seen people recommending steam decks often and wasn't sure if it's just popularity.

[warped wren]

I just want them to release the Gabe Cube so I can save up for it

Laptop is 5 years old now

And wasn't that good to begin with

[gilded elm]

Oh for some reason I thought you already had a gaming PC

[fierce moth]

Which test you need to do to jutify are you adhd or not in hospital?

[warped wren]

No I just have an old Lenovo Ideapad

[gilded elm]

Mind if I ask what you are taking?

[warped wren]

With a lame ass GTX 1650Ti

[gilded elm]

Ah damn

[desert jasper]

it's called Elvanse

[gilded elm]

Oh, that's Vyvanse but for the EU

[warped wren]

Idk what it's called, it's just an ADHD assessment as far as I have heard

[gilded elm]

So you're on the same thing as Anomander and me

[fierce moth]

Oh no, it's pretty poor for current games

[warped wren]

Ya

That's why PoE2 is an enormous pain

Even other more unoptimized games I play, I need to keep restarting

[gilded elm]

I have a 4070 Ti SUPER and I still had to adjust a bunch of settings just to get stable FPS with certain builds in PoE2... and it wasn't even guaranteed lol

Can't imagine your setup

[desert jasper]

Yeah I kinda figured
tbh I'm on only 30mg
I did have higher dose originally but oh boy it had some side effects so we lowered it to 30

[gilded elm]

I know a lot of people say it makes them feel "like a zombie" and so they don't like it. Is that your experience too, or is it something else?

[desert jasper]

Honestly I don't notice feeling like a zombie
the higher dose caused extreme anxiety for me

[gilded elm]

Oh that's no good :O

There are non-stimulant medications too, but I very rarely hear of these working out for people.

[warped wren]

yeah it's a pretty strong stimulant. If I make the mistake of having a second cup of coffee in the day, happens to me too

[gilded elm]

Oh for sure, need to moderate caffeine intake heavily on stimulants, since caffeine is also a stimulant.

My psych just says try to stay away from caffeine altogether.

Also tells me to avoid anything that contains grapefruit and if possible, citrus.

[warped wren]

my morning coffee is an important experience for me so I told my psych that it's not going anywhere. But yeah I never have a 2nd cup

[gilded elm]

It's a ritual, I get it lol

The counter-argument is that rituals and habits are good for ADHD in general :)

[desert jasper]

I miss routine

[gilded elm]

Are you by chance a coffee snob too? The answer depends on how you brew your coffee lol

[gilded elm]

You seem like a fairly routine person to me, tbh. I see you going to bed consistently, that's more routine than me haha

[desert jasper]

I barely get sleep
So I wake up at like 1-2 am and then have trouble falling asleep again
which leads to the day starting late

[gilded elm]

Ah, that does sound miserable. Are you also fatigued by the lack of sleep too?

Like feeling "low energy" throughout the day.

[warped wren]

idk about snob but I grind and brew my own coffee every day

and I only drink black

[gilded elm]

Yeah you're a snob, and I respect it because this is the only true way to consume coffee.

Black is how it's meant to be.

What is your brewing method, though?

Pour over, drip, french press, aeropress?

People think I'm lying when I tell them black coffee brewed from freshly ground beans from a certain part of Ethiopia can have a natural and prominent blueberry flavor.

[desert jasper]

If it's only 1 day it's fine
but when it's multiple days in row yes

[gilded elm]

That's super rough, I hope your doctor or psych is able to help with that. My dad had a similar issue, waking up in the middle of the night and unable to go back to sleep... it was one of the worst periods of his life and it really broke my heart to see the effect it was having on his mental.

[silent steeple]

So

What do u guys think abt discord's new update coming next month

[gilded elm]

Link to the update news?

[silent steeple]

https://discord.com/press-releases/discord-launches-teen-by-default-settings-globally

[fierce moth]

interesting... Discord have this mode too soon lol

[desert jasper]

Don't like it
Don't like it at all
the info etc will leak

[fierce moth]

that's why Chinese games need your phone numbers or id numbers too if you want to play them. Our line is 18

[desert jasper]

They already had a data leak in like.. september?

[fierce moth]

I wonder how will discord verify user's age

[gilded elm]

It reads a lot like Discord trying to limit their liability and comply with local laws.

[silent steeple]

Face id

[gilded elm]

I don't think any business wants to be held liable for the wrongdoings of users on their platforms.

[fierce moth]

emmmmmm will discord recognize me as under 13 because the system think my face is too young lol

[gilded elm]

I don't like it, but I guess I understand it.

[jovial bane]

Im all for social media being 18+ ... through API token and goverment ID app

not some private company holding my ID photo on pinky promise they'll delete it

[gilded elm]

I would guess that "Age Verification" is a government-backed process in some countries, but not every country.

[jovial bane]

it better be

But what I find suspicious is, what if one is paying for the nitro. Especially through something that needs a verified bank account ? lol

I guess sometimes you can have it under 18, but still that's weird

[rugged island]

Discord is getting ready for their IPO

[gilded elm]

I assume Age Verification in the US is almost certainly not going to be a government process, though.

[gilded elm]

Maybe. Less liability = less risk, less risk = more investor friendly.

[jovial bane]

welp, I have an odd feeling they will have another data breach and IDs information being leaked. Like with the UK verification

If it happens I do hope EU will slap a massive fine on them. At least it will go towards road construction, or something

[desert jasper]

I've to say that also having autism doesn't help

[gilded elm]

Oh yeah, Discord did file for an IPO not too long ago.

This definitely seems like a move to increase their valuation.

Discord going public sounds like a potential nightmare

[desert jasper]

IPO?

[gilded elm]

Initial Public Offering, when a private company becomes publicly traded

Basically Discord going public is going to mean appeasing shareholders

[jovial bane]

that sounds like awfully stupid idea

[gilded elm]

It could be the beginning of the end of Discord

[jovial bane]

didn't it kept bleeding money ?

[gilded elm]

Keep in mind that Discord is not a profitable business.

They are desperate.

[desert jasper]

Oh I don't like that

[jovial bane]

maybe I am weird, but I think that investing into company that is still not profitable is a bad idea

who would be willing to buy their shares ... other than plenty of naive or stupid people

[gilded elm]

So it's not unheard of or always a dumb idea.

[jovial bane]

Except discord is not comparable, company like say Uber at this point was still expanding its reach. Businesses do have a phase during which they operate at a loss, because they are working on expanding their customer base

And afaik Discord is fairly dominant ? I don't think they can expand that much

[gilded elm]

Discord is in a weird position, yeah.

I think Discord might be overestimating their position in the market. They are dominant, yes. But I think they're also replaceable.

On one hand, I do think it sucks that Discord can't seem to figure out a way to actually monetize their users in a way that doesn't kill the platform entirely... on the other hand Discord's value (IMO) largely comes from the fact that it's ubiquitous (everyone uses it) and I don't think that's a strong enough position if they can be easily replaced by a competitor.

[jovial bane]

I agree

[gilded elm]

Losing Discord would be inconvenient, but not a catastrophe.

[warped wren]

I have pour over, french, and aeropress. I also have a moka pot but i managed to get fungus in it and haven't had the courage to use it since then, even though I cleaned it. Should just get a new one atp

[gilded elm]

Based tbh. Moka pot is great and that definitely makes you a coffee snob lmao

[jovial bane]

I dislike coffee from Moka Pot personally

I did not feel the difference between it and coffee machine, and cleaning it was PITA

[warped wren]

I just enjoy the process of brewing, and after years of having black coffee I can easily tell the difference between the brews

Moka Pot is definitely the most bitter of them, even more than French

[gilded elm]

Yeah if you drink only black coffee for years, you can easily tell.

Aeropress is one of my favorite brewing methods. Quick, easy and amazingly delicious.

I also don't like dark roasts much, too oily for me.

[warped wren]

I would love to have a chemex but it takes too much space and is too fragile

[warped wren]

I almost solely have darks

milds and mediums are too fruity for me

[gilded elm]

Haha, I love the fruity notes

I forget which region of Ethiopia, there was a light or medium roast that has strong blueberry notes. Loved that.

[jovial bane]

I like fruity, more sour notes as well. Not a huge fan of bitterness in coffee

I do use sugar, but I try to add a teaspoon at most. And always only cane sugar.

[gilded elm]

Where do you get your beans from? There are some from the major brands like Starbucks and Peet's that I like, not many.

[gilded elm]

Depending on your brewing method, bitterness can be due to overextraction.

Overextraction can be due to many things, of course. Such as too high of a temperature.

Or just extracting for too long.

Also avoid pre-ground coffee. Not only is it usually too finely ground, it loses a lot of the flavor compared to freshly ground coffee.

[jovial bane]

interesting

[gilded elm]

For the best cup you should always use fresh beans and grind to the right size and use a good grinder because grind consistency is extremely important for an even extraction.

That's why good grinders are so expensive.

This is why (for example) when you use a French Press, you always grind coarse. Too fine of a grind will be over-extracted and taste very bitter.

[jovial bane]

hmm, yeah I should invest in a good grinder then

[fierce moth]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3878040/Box_or_Void/
Creative gameplay 🤔

[warped wren]

Starbucks burns their beans, can't stand that. I mostly have Canadian brands, like Pilot or Kicking Horse or 49th Parallel. Recently got a bag of Kirkland coffee from Costco, not the best but not bad and really good value

[jovial bane]

I can't believe the best coffee beans I can get in my small town is from the gas stations chain

[gilded elm]

Ah, yeah I remember Kicking Horse. I don't do much coffee these days, but I used to order a lot from Happy Mug, not sure how good they are these days but I almost never had a bad experience and they were budget-friendly: https://happymugcoffee.com/

[gilded elm]

Order online :)

If you got no local place to get actually freshly roasted beans, it's the next best option IMO.

[jovial bane]

Oh I can do that as well, but it's not that those gas station beans suck. Quite the opposite in fact.

[gilded elm]

I remember liking some Dunkin Donuts blends.

Starbucks definitely burns their beans for the most part, like Anomander said lol

But yeah, there are some gems even among the mainstream brands

[warped wren]

Starbucks is objectively terrible for coffee

[gilded elm]

The crazy thing is people pay $8 for a cup hahaha

I remember doing the math and it's like 70 cents per cup if you brew it yourself lol

This was a while back, though

[warped wren]

I'm fairly certain, no proof just my hunch, that they mix a decent amount of robusta beans

To keep costs low

Which is why their coffee is awful

[gilded elm]

Wouldn't surprise me.

Most people will never notice because they aren't drinking it black.

[jovial bane]

Especially considering Starbucks infamous "coffees" are more like a sugar drink mixed with coffee. Not the other way around

[warped wren]

It's basically milkshakes

[jovial bane]

echhh sugar syrup shakes with milk and coffee

[gilded elm]

You need a lot of it to mask the bad taste of their coffee.

[warped wren]

Yeah I've had black coffee a few times there and almost always regretted it

Except for a couple single origins

[jovial bane]

hilariously enough the worst drink I had at starbucks was the matcha tea in jp one

[warped wren]

Oh my god they can't do tea to save their lives

My wife was literally enraged the last time she tried to buy tea from there

(She's a tea sommelier)

[jovial bane]

I think it's because while I'm not a coffee connoisseur, I am a definitely a tea one

I feel her pain

[junior oyster]

I've never bought any drink from costa or starbucks

That's because I don't drink hot drinks

[jovial bane]

you are not missing much tbh

[potent dew]

I just recently got some first flush darjeeling from gopaldhara that's amazing. I'll be buying from that garden again.

[jovial bane]

I love darjeeling.

[potent dew]

Hard to go wrong. There's a reason the name Darjeeling is even known by people that don't drink tea. It's like a crescent wrench, or super-glue =p

[jovial bane]

pretty much, the deep flavor it has is perfect

[potent dew]

I'm also a fan of Kenyan Rift. It's a bit bitter, but I enjoy it as an early day tea or breakfast tea.

[jovial bane]

Never tried it. Maybe the next time I order tea, I will pick it up

[potent dew]

Though I can't say I drink a lot of herbal or floral teas. Rosehip, and mint maybe once a year.

[junior oyster]

I used to drink mint tea. Clippers was the brand I would buy

Unbleached tea bags

[potent dew]

The reason I don't drink herbal teas a lot, such as mint, is they have such a long-lasting aftertaste.

[junior oyster]

I never noticed tbqh

[warped wren]

I've met the founder of Gopaldhara several times, wife has worked with him

[potent dew]

Small world! Haha. Well, I suppose you can tell him a random community manager from a random game is a fan =p

[junior oyster]

I can never drink coffee though. Anything coffee makes me sick

[warped wren]

Or not founder, CEO actually

Rishi

Very sweet and humble guy, surprisingly

We were planning to work with him and setup our own tea business here, and import from him. Had to put it on hold for now but he was very supportive

[potent dew]

That's nice to hear. The tea empire isn't what it once was, but it's still a bit of a "scene" at some levels. So there's certainly the fair share of snobs, including in companies.

[warped wren]

Yeah I've met a few myself

But anecdotally I think it's more welcoming than the coffee scene

[potent dew]

I'd agree with that. I think it's because there's so much more to learn about tea. Regions matter a lot more for tea, teas are much more varied (as it's not just one family of plants like coffee), and it's a lot more sensitive when being prepared.

Because there's so much to learn and teach, I think it's better at making communities than coffee - not at all to say there isn't complexity to be had in coffee, just not at the level of tea.

[warped wren]

My wife currently has 4 cupboards of tea with zero duplicates

[potent dew]

ie. most people when first learning tea preparation only think of burning as smoke and soot. Many don't realize that putting many tea leaves directly in water at a full boil burns the tea.

Ha, nice. That's a better collection than I for sure. I only have about 6 or so types of tea at any given time. It's just for me, so a waste to have so much it goes stale.

[maiden widget]

i miss having good fresh gyokuro but its so expensive to try different suppliers and not liking them

[warped wren]

Yeah probably the most common mistake

[junior oyster]

We drink milk tea so replace water with milk

I personally don't but my family does

[potent dew]

My favourite response when talking about tea: "I don't like tea, it's so bitter"

[junior oyster]

If I have green/mint tea it's always gotta be bitter

[maiden widget]

reading labels is just too hard just boil them bags for 319minutes

[junior oyster]

Am not a fan of sweet tea lol

[maiden widget]

bitter green tea has always been a temp issue in my case

[potent dew]

most teas are not supposed to be bitter. If it's bitter it typically means it's burnt, oversteeped, or low quality leaves.

green tea is very sensitive, and has to be a much lower temperature than black tea, yea. I usually do 94 for black teas, and 76 for green and white teas.

[junior oyster]

Eh I boil the water, throw in the teabag, sit for about a minute and then squeese the juices out of the bag into the tea lol

[junior oyster]

Is this is centigrade or farenheight

Celsius

I can't remember my temps

[potent dew]

centigrade

[maiden widget]

my gyokuro was 60-65°c

other green tea is a bit higher

[potent dew]

how long do you steep your gyokuro?

[junior oyster]

Wait I was correct with saying centigrade lol

Thought I was tripping

[maiden widget]

uh maybe a minute depends a bit how the current season one is

[fierce moth]

@junior stirrup I found something fun is a famous Chinese YouTuber who known as various creative videos have posted a long video guide for how to travel in NZ this night.

Match with the day of exilecon's ticket to be available

Damn. NZ must beautiful.

[potent dew]

the important thing is that you enjoy it. Some people like some bitter in their teas, which is why I like Kenyan Rift. So if you're happy, i'm happy

[sudden anchor]

I imagine you built up that taste over many cups of tea, you do take pleasure in tasting and take your time 'looking' at the different tastes.
I recently took up tasting kinda like a hobby haha. I actively try to think about the tastes and desribing them in fitting words on a scale. Lots of words to describe wine for example, but for me it's very basic still. I am used to chug it down not for taste lmao

[lethal bane]

I learned the hard way after many, many lessons to not overheat the tea or other things

One day I'll learn it properly

Maybe

[potent dew]

Making tea "properly" is a skill for sure. Though much of that skill is now taken by electric kettles that you can just set the temperature on, haha.

[sudden anchor]

So are the temperatures for different teas you mentioned earlier perfect for the average human, I guess. I foolishly thought you experimented on yourself, half of a degree at a time haha

[potent dew]

It's nothing that specific, haha. I was taught general temperatures, and adjusted temperature and steeping time to taste. It is however different for different teas - even within one type of tea, such as "black tea". Different teas will turn out 'best' with different temperatures, steeping time, volume, and even pot shape and material.

So there's certainly some experimentation when you get a new supplier or try a new tea. You just start with some basic rules.

[fierce moth]

The landscape on the Stewart island, south of NZ. Speechless beautiful... The local can interact with the nature in zero distance... It's what I never can do.

[potent dew]

I'll keep my mountains thank you very much.

[jovial bane]

I've got my hand on some turkish tea leaves.
I'm unsure about their quality, but the flavor definitely was different compared to Sri Lanka tea I usually drink.

[junior oyster]

Pink?

[sudden anchor]

It's crazy how there is such an astronomically small percentile of consumables you can have in life, that are perfect, as they are in essence more like moments, which are obviously affected by so many outside factors. Outside, as in not having thought about them before.

[junior oyster]

Friend of mine got me some kind of pomegranate tea powder

It was a nice pink colour

[jade jackal]

guys, im afraid we have a spark of something actually a little bit different in ARPGs lol

[junior oyster]

From Turkeye

[potent dew]

I've never actually had a turkish tea, as well known as they might be for their love of teas. No particular reason why, just never really see it maybe? Or maybe because I just tend not to leave the "India" section, haha.

[jovial bane]

The thing that's curious about that tea is, I've kind of hated it. Maybe it was low quality leaves, but I've realised that it's much better with added sugar, and a bit of cardamon.

It complimented the flavor of the leaves nicely, while reducing the odd aftertaste it had.

Kind of bittery, hard to describe flavor.

[potent dew]

interesting...

[jovial bane]

It's not the tea brand I'd likely buy again, but I don't regret experimenting with it. Curiously I've tried some tea in the bags from I think Saudi Arabia, and it had a bit similar aftertaste to it.

It was definitely better spiced as well

[potent dew]

Ah, it's a spiced tea? Yea, those can be all over the place, haha.

[jovial bane]

It was just black tea with cardamon, but it was better sweeter and maybe with some added spices.

Or maybe I'm just too used to Sri Lanka tea, sometimes Japanese. Rarely Chinese tea 😅

I've really enjoyed Tie Guan Yin Oolong, I hate that usually when I look for oolong it's milky. Ruins the flavor of the tea.

[sudden anchor]

I'll be honest, you're far more advanced in tea connaître than me, who just buys some organic tea from the next supermarket. My only criterium besides that is that it's not using aroma haha

[potent dew]

Ha, basically the opposite of me. I like my bold teas, so Indian teas at the top with Japanese teas at the bottom =p

[jovial bane]

I'm biased towards Japanese tea, because I've got my hands on tea from family grown garden. That one is yet to be beaten

Although I did run into some good sencha and gyokurou. But I enjoy genmaicha the most

[jovial bane]

Most of my tea is from the supermarket as well. Although usually I grab Basilur, or Dilmah or Sir Adalbert which IMO are above average. Sometimes I buy leaves from tea shops.

[placid yarrow]

Heh I'd make everyone who's a tea/coffee connoisseur cringe with how I drink both x)

[potent dew]

If you're interested, to get started I'd recommend:

• An electric kettle you can set the temperature on
• A standard wide, round-bottom ceramic or porcelain pot (I don't recommend glass, clay, stone, or iron for someone new)
• a sieve, or a built-in sieve in the pot
• some good tea. Just look for "darjeeling", it's extremely common, and hard to go wrong. I usually spend about $40-50/100g, but that's completely unnecessary for starting out. Even just $10/100g tea would be more than enough. don't worry about specific garden/supplier.

Set the kettle to 92-95deg, put one teaspoon in the pot for every cup, do not exceed four teaspoons. steep for one minute. You can get more fancy from there, but that will get you some very tasty tea.

[junior oyster]

So do you like Karak chai?

[jovial bane]

Alternatively a food thermometer and a bit of patience 😄

[fierce moth]

A bold idea:

These knowledges very suitable to be shared in eterra monthly, as the advanced part go on from Wick's food recipes

[potent dew]

no, not a fan of spiced teas like chai 🙁

[placid yarrow]

I did drink a lot of middle eastern teas growing up though, turkish and Iraqi mostly

Pretty good stuff

[junior oyster]

Ah when I hear Indian teas I think of milk teas lol

There is also the Kashmiri tea (pinkish in colour)

[jovial bane]

My only experience with middle eastern tea was sadly only at falafel shop ran by I think Syrians. I usually dislike sweet tea, but my god the one they've made was so delicious.

[placid yarrow]

Oh yeah Syrian tea too, it's all fairly similar to my untrained tongue lul

It's very different from teabags though

Obviously

[potent dew]

haha, euro-truck simulator's CM team actually did this. And I kept screaming at it calling itself "how to properly make tea". They get it right about never using stale water, then immediately burn the tea. pfft (of course I jest, everyone can enjoy tea how they like)

[junior oyster]

I only know of teabags lol

Never heard of this garden thing haha

Supplier I understand

[jovial bane]

Water makes a big difference from my experience, but that's because my local water is quite hard.

[junior oyster]

It's stuff like Tetley, clippers etc

[placid yarrow]

I do have tea filters and infusers that I use but I don't get any of the fancy stuff, just whatever is in the grocery store usually

[jade jackal]

Eurotruck rules. I love that game
Bottom text

[jovial bane]

That's how I usually drink it. I keep more fancy stuff for "special occasions", not really special but yk

[sudden anchor]

Thanks, very inspiring!

Do you mean teaspoon as in powderform? I have made some tealeaves myself, but didn't grind them fine for example, mostly crush them with my hands before brewing. I would be having less g of tea per teaspoon than powder, if I don't adjust for that.

[silent steeple]

The only tea i know of is the ginger tea I've perfected over the years

[fierce moth]

I'm interested in exploring cheese more than tea... Except matcha

[potent dew]

So you have:
category - leaf/herbal/floral/spiced
preparation - black/green tea
region - darjeeling/Rift region
Supplier/garden - Gopaldhara/Gyokuro
Tea harvest season (first, second, third+flush)
Altitude (higher altitude tends to be less astringent, but much more expensive)

[jovial bane]

Matcha scares me, the preparation process is so crucial and requires quite a lot of skill

[placid yarrow]

I am a heratic that puts milk in their tea and coffee though, it's not really even about the taste for me but more so because I want big volume and I dislike tea without milk in a large mug

[jovial bane]

Cheeses is another kind of food I really enjoy 😅

[fierce moth]

Maybe because tea and tea drink are too common here

[potent dew]

no, just loose leaf, unpacked.

[placid yarrow]

If it's without milk I'm used to drinking tea in cups like this

[fierce moth]

I feel Kain will very interested in exploring Chinese tea 🤔

[warped wren]

Milk teas are a thing but it doesn't go well with loose leaf teas, which are much higher quality than tea grounds / powders

[placid yarrow]

Which are pretty small, you just sip it

[jovial bane]

I always loved that shape, but I could not drink it like this. I'm really sensitive to getting burned

[placid yarrow]

Yeah for sure like I said normally I don't get any of the fancy stuff

[potent dew]

I say 1 tsp per cup, but that's very loose. They're usually overfilled because you should have a bit extra for the pot. It's literally just a scoop with a teaspoon =p

[placid yarrow]

Alcohol free spiced wine is where it's at for me during winter

We call it glögg here

[warped wren]

Shameless plug, you could check out my wife's website: https://chaimusafir.com/blog/
She's a certified tea sommelier who runs her own tea community here, and writes blogs on different teas and different aspects of tea

[potent dew]

I'll allow it. It's on topic.

[warped wren]

Thank you

[fierce moth]

I want to taste tea from different countries too

[fierce moth]

How many years your wife spent on exploring different tea?

Go to different countries to explore different tea require rich passion, energy and money 🤔

[jovial bane]

I doubt it was that much traveling, probably research and ordering it online most of the time.

Because usually going to different country means exploring it and its culture as a whole.

Traveling hyperfocused on one thing is quite rare.

Also tea is quite easy to get through customs I believe. Especially compared to food.

[junior oyster]

Musafir

Tea traveller interesting

[sand wigeon]

that was the joke yes

[jovial bane]

heh, good one

[warped wren]

she's been doing this for ~5 years. She didn't really travel for tea other than 1 trip to Nepal where she studied with this tea master, which was relatively easy because Nepal is like right next door when you're in India

rest of her learning has been online courses including her Tea Guild of Canada certification, as well as in-person workshops and meetups

[twilit mountain]

Hi sorry I'm nocturnal rn. I do have chronic clinical depression as well but yeah having untreated ADHD for the vast majority of my life fed into it hard, my parents were very harsh towards me in regards to (as you mentioned) seeing me as "lazy" or everything I did have interest in as "pointless", I was berated for years for not trying to get into college at the age of fifteen and told I was "wasting my life".

[sand wigeon]

well i mean you talk to me. that pretty much IS wasting your life

[twilit mountain]

I'm taking that rusty ass comically sized saw to your arms

[sand wigeon]

oh

my saw is normally sized thank you…

[jade jackal]

Aaron showcased this - western ARPG with interesting Poker combination mechanics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPFiWf1VkTg

I love the idea that different hands work like different runewords

And cards can have modifiers

[junior oyster]

Oh is that the grim dawn expansion?

[jade jackal]

[twilit mountain]

I've been across many reddit threads from the devs

[junior oyster]

Can't help that it reminds me of grim dawn lol

[stone anvil]

thumbnail tho 😭

this would be a dlc for grim dawn kekw

[sand wigeon]

this jug shape scares me

[jovial bane]

yk, valid.
I feel the same, because the only things I've seen in jugs like this were engine oils and bath foams

No wait.
Laundry detergent as well

[potent dew]

https://klipy.com/gifs/buffy-the-vampire-slayer-btvs-74

[junior stirrup]

Jugs are the default milk container down here coming in 1/2/3L sizes, a bit strange but I'm used to it now and don't miss tetras.

[junior stirrup]

Clever 😄

[twilit mountain]

What's a tetra?

[jade jackal]

In many places, we get milk in bags too

[warped wren]

tetrapack

Tetra Pak™ actually

is a trademark

[twilit mountain]

Ahhh. Got it.

[junior stirrup]

An Update on 3.28 Expansion Timeline https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3911341

[twilit mountain]

Begging for some good skill updates this patch. Feels like it's been years since we've seen a genuine balance patch.

[warped wren]

because it actually has been years

the last real balance patch was the melee overhaul

when they finally accepted that they didn't need PoE2 to solve melee, they just needed gasps in shock better numbers

[gilded elm]

I wonder if the word "balance" terrifies the folks at GGG.

Can't imagine it's easy turning all those knobs and dials and trying to find a happy place.

[ebon meadow]

it terrifies the player base not the staf lul

balance usually means nerfs

i m happy to be wrong

in any way

[warped wren]

I want you to go back and look at the melee overhaul

[twilit mountain]

It's genuinely the main reason why I'm starting to feel burnout for PoE, the amount of creativity in building is (imo) getting worse because the skills haven't really changed much in several leagues. We just end up gravitating to the same builds on repeat.

[ebon meadow]

sure but how long did it took

[desert jasper]

chainhook will be usable, trust

[warped wren]

also, a lot of the patches since then HAVE been primarily buffs but they were just too timid and not broad enough in scope. The only nerfs have been to outliers

[gilded elm]

Dunno why you guys even still play when the greatest ARPG for eternity has already been invented, called Diablo 2 /s

[twilit mountain]

Yeah except the buffs for the most part have been pitifully low or to skills that just need a full rework to their function.

[warped wren]

yeah I mean, just saying

"balance means nerfs" is an insane take lol

[ebon meadow]

sure , its an exageration met on feel

i l take it back , sorry

[warped wren]

balance just means balance. Buff, nerf, retool, removal, new stuff, all of it

[twilit mountain]

Gods forbid the new skills be good :(

[desert jasper]

Wish we got some new animations

[twilit mountain]

That's what PoE2 was supposed to be for before the pivot :/

Still mad about that. Never gonna stop being mad about that.

[desert jasper]

Yeaah
Gonna go back to bed
hooray for random 1am wake ups

[twilit mountain]

Hope your rest is at least a little better than usual

[desert jasper]

Thanks, I'll do my best

[ebon meadow]

ha ha i live an hour past i still have 48 mint to wast e

can do some stash sorting

and GN btw my maners left me sorry

if anyone is slightly interested in trying something diferent https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HoQARvkpzEQM-7bce2XrtbrzWB449i9_frIlK_ns684/edit?gid=0#gid=0 BPL soon

its the beta version one but looks very fun

[sand wigeon]

yeah i dunno why i play overwatch when team fortress 1, the quake mod, exists

[fierce moth]

Good morning

[gilded elm]

wtf, I like Mahjong now, maybe... lol

[fierce moth]

lol what

I never imagine Byte even know how to play...majiang

Mahjong, ok

I don't know how to play Mahjong

[twilit mountain]

Well yeah, you're not over the age of 55

[fierce moth]

lol

[twilit mountain]

Waiting for Kong or Chalk Spirit banners to roll around, I have like 50 to 60 pulls saved

[fierce moth]

Have to say find real references is a bit hard... Just want to find many references for what real rocks near a stream looks, a bunch of AI-generated pictures captured my pinterest

[twilit mountain]

Could look around for like nature photography blogs or some such?

[pine summit]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_NjU8O6qSQ

Monster Hunter Wilds 1st Anniversary Message | Ver.1041 update

[fierce moth]

Cool Clue! Get 2 cool photos from a personal blog now

[sand wigeon]

i forget that people were actually able to afford purchasing that game

[fierce moth]

Thank you so much. Never know this way

Photographer's blogs always includes high-quanlity photos

[twilit mountain]

Yeah no problem. I like photography, I just don't have an eye for it (or a camera, granted I prefer film which just makes it harder)

[sand wigeon]

i have the eye but no the camera

i'd have so much fun going out and photographing nature with you lol

[fierce moth]

Too beautiful though isn't a rock photo. I want to share it.

From https://www.thomasmangan.com/blog/

This level of messy is hard to reveal by pure painting 🤔

(...My DNA for impressionist is wiggling)

[sand wigeon]

that's not messy though

that's practically orderly

twigs and leaves are about the most orderly thing you can get in autumn

[twilit mountain]

I'd say it's like... "ordered chaos" if that makes any sense. It's a lot of stuff, a lot of detailing in the realm of drawing or painting, but it's not intentionally laid out like that necessarily, it just happens to be rather clean

[sand wigeon]

yeah

tbf i also struggle to see anything relating to nature as "messy"

[fierce moth]

The same resource.

Reflection in water is what I have been screwed up... Nice asset for trying it again

[gilded elm]

lmao

[sand wigeon]

what game is this?

[gilded elm]

Menace

[sand wigeon]

looks interesting

[gilded elm]

From the devs who made Battle Brothers, if that's familiar

[twilit mountain]

That bug messed you up, damn

[sand wigeon]

it's not

though i haven't been interested in tactical games for very long

that's more a recent thing for me

[gilded elm]

Their games have been difficult for me, this one and Battle Brothers. Haven't gotten very far in either game.

I might just suck at tactics games lol

[twilit mountain]

They can be pretty rough depending on what "style" they are.

[sand wigeon]

i hope one day we get a tactics game set in the tarkov universe

i think that would honestly adapt the setting far better

[twilit mountain]

They basically branch into Fire Emblem inspired, FF Tactics inspired, and XCOM inspired

[sand wigeon]

yeah

[sand wigeon]

this one looks xcom inspired

[twilit mountain]

Which is notorious for being kinda bullshit sometimes lol

[gilded elm]

Reviewers seem to say it's a mistake to compare it to XCOM but I don't really have any experience with that franchise

[twilit mountain]

Yes well, both professional and player reviewers called Dead Cells a souls-like, so my opinion of what "reviewers" say about games is lower than the temperature of Antarctica

[fierce moth]

Jealous at Americans

[sand wigeon]

i could say the same for you, kirra

you have so many wonders in your country lol

[gilded elm]

Crybabies, smh

[fierce moth]

11:11, time to get a nap (Beautiful photography are overwhelming suddenly)

[warped wren]

was about to buy it but I remembered that I have Chaos Gate Daemonhunters in my library so I am now a Grey Knight

[gilded elm]

That one's fun too, I gotta finish it. Grey Knights OP

[warped wren]

I AM THE HAMMER

[gilded elm]

Mechanicus is another fun tactical 40k game

[warped wren]

I can't stand the Mechanicum

bunch of asshats

[gilded elm]

Excuse me sir. Puts on nerd glasses. It's Mechanicus

[warped wren]

except Cawl, that guy is based

Cawl out there solo carrying humanity from behind his nerdstation

[gilded elm]

Jane Darby hard carrying my missions just sniping fools

[placid yarrow]

For me battle brothers was kinda just bland unfortunately, apparently the different dlc spice it up but yeah I just didn't get hooked by the base game

A similar game that I enjoyed a good amount is wartales

[gilded elm]

A big part of the Battle Brothers appeal was the "brotherhood" aspect of it, basically your imagination does a lot of the heavy lifting lol

[placid yarrow]

The fact that it has cohesive quest lines and narrative helps me

[placid yarrow]

Yeah. And while I did get attached to some of my units it just felt like there wasn't really a point to it all if that makes sense

Since the game basically just plops you into the world and says go ahead with no real objective or direction

The gameplay loop boils down too much for me

The contract types are really limited, at least in the early to mid game since I admittedly never got to late game. But it basically feels like the same thing over and over, you upgrade your gear but go against tougher enemies so nothing really changes since the active skills are just determined by weapon type

While in something like wartales your guys actually get new impactful passives and active skills and new mechanics and stuff get introduced for the enemies as well etc. idk it was just more compelling

[gilded elm]

I don't think I ever got far enough to really feel invested in my units, didn't really hook me either.

[placid yarrow]

Yeah idk, if you enjoy the turn based combat and the whole mercenary fantasy a great game I really like is stoneshard. You only control a single character in that one though

[sand wigeon]

stoneshard mention

[placid yarrow]

You know it

[desert jasper]

I only tried the demo for stoneshard

[gilded elm]

lol

[placid yarrow]

The only takeaway I'd take from the demo (prologue) is how the game plays and pretty much nothing else tbh. They make you play a weird character in a weird setting that's pretty unique to the prologue

[placid yarrow]

Lol i played the demo a while back, was pretty good

The snipers were goated in the demo

I'm really looking forward to wands in stoneshard, they're gonna be in the next major update

[twilit mountain]

Spellcaster builds in Stoneshard?

[placid yarrow]

Yeah there's already a few magic trees but we only have 2h staffs currently

So wands are a welcome addition since the staff tree is hybrid melee/magic focused as opposed to pure magic

Right now there's pyromancy, electromancy, geomancy and arcanistics

Iirc cryomancy is next but afaik it's not in the next update

[jovial bane]

that would be correct, although I've played only demo of menace

XCOM is quite simple mechanics wise, Menace having supressiom already changes equation a lot.
Also iirc weapons in XCOM have no maximum range, only dismal hit chance giving it essentially max range. Squads are tiny, and so are the maps. Lots of nuances

[jovial bane]

Passives in battle brothers are weird. They all feel like not doing much, maybe couple reads decent. And then you realise couple of them are actually busted, just read underwhelming and the rest is actually as underpowered as they read.

Basically PoE2 mace skills in a nutshell

[sand wigeon]

still xcom styled

that’s all that was being discussed so

[jovial bane]

Well yes, however it still stands true. In similar vein PoE2 is D2 styled but directly comparing the two would be a mistake.

[twilit mountain]

I mean, I guess? I can very easily compare PoE2 to D2. I can easily compare Destiny to The Division. I can compare the Pokemon TCG to Magic The Gathering, and so on.

[jovial bane]

Yeah, because we are still in the same genre. But there is enough of differences that start to pile up, and make direct comparison a bit reductive.

[twilit mountain]

And this game is in the same genre as Xcom. And FE. And FFT. And Tactics Ogre. And Mutant Road To Eden. And Dark Deity. I don't see the problem.

[desert jasper]

How dare they make a game in same genre

[jovial bane]

I think that reduction is how we end up with the infamous "this is the dark souls of" text

Also a matter of expectations

[desert jasper]

God I hate that
game has dodge roll, some kind of currency that you lose on death and resting spots?
dark souls

[twilit mountain]

I don't see where there is reduction.

[sand wigeon]

no i think poe2 is just bad actually.

and people say it’s “d2 styled” because it uses outdated design philosophy.

when rly it’s not styled after d2 it’s just bad.

[twilit mountain]

Menace is literally a tactics RPG. It is objectively in the same genre as the above listed games.

[sand wigeon]

this one-session easy puzzle game i 100%? confirmed souls like

[junior oyster]

Talos principles and crosscode are the same

Because both puzzles

[jovial bane]

So do I. That's why I agree that menace should not really be compared to XCOM. It's not as egregious like calling Baldurs Gate 3 or Rogue Trader XCOM-like, but yeah

[sand wigeon]

it's like

pretty directly inspired

i think you're misreading the conversation

[jovial bane]

more by the OG one IMO

[junior oyster]

Diablo 2 if it had dodge roll

[jovial bane]

than Firaxis XCOM

[sand wigeon]

the three "categories" put forth were styles of xcom, final fantasy tactics and fire emblem

i stated it was xcom styled because those were they three categories used as examples

i'd say it's more wasteland styled than anything but that wasn't in the convo

[junior oyster]

Can you all just not agree to disagree or something? Lol

[sand wigeon]

no

i'm right and everyone else is wrong?

so like why would i agree to disagree

[junior oyster]

shrug

[jovial bane]

yk what really triggers me about it ? The fact that BG3 and RT falls into Fire Emblem/FFT

[sand wigeon]

anyway this tea is rly good for just being a teabag tea

[twilit mountain]

Uh... no they don't

[sand wigeon]

fire emblem and fft are extremely different...

[twilit mountain]

They're CRPGs

[sand wigeon]

baldurs gate isnt even a tactics game lol

[jovial bane]

how so ?

it is lmao

[sand wigeon]

let's agree to disagree

[twilit mountain]

Nah. This ain't real. You're not real.

[jovial bane]

you literally are on the grid with character, have hit chances and different weapon types

[twilit mountain]

I refuse to engage someone who can't differentiate a CRPG with a TRPG.

[sand wigeon]

baldurs gate is a tactical game. it is not within the genre of tactics games.

[jovial bane]

FE and FFT are just D&D

[sand wigeon]

necrodancer is a trpg

pack it up folks

[sand wigeon]

w h a t

this is ragebait

[junior oyster]

Slay the spire is a tcg /s

[sand wigeon]

it's not

there's no trading!

lol

[jovial bane]

technically there is a vedor that removes cards and sells them

[sand wigeon]

not what the "trading" part of tcg means

[junior oyster]

Truth be told I've never experienced tcgs lol

[sand wigeon]

saying baldurs gate is a trpg is like saying the thaumaturge is a trpg

[jovial bane]

but seriously though.
What's the difference between FFT and FE ?

[sand wigeon]

you've never played yugioh, magic, pokemon, digimon, the disney one or any of the many anime ones?

[sand wigeon]

like everything??

what fire emblem games have you played

[junior oyster]

No I mean collecting the physical cards

[jovial bane]

Awakening, 3H, and I think 4 ?

[sand wigeon]

but that's the best part of it!

[jovial bane]

Did not play FFT

hence I'm asking

[junior oyster]

It was a thing in school but I never did any of it

[jovial bane]

but I'm sorry, at a glance it looks the same

[junior oyster]

Not even football (soccer)

[jovial bane]

Units on the grid, turn based combat, different specialisation and leveling them up

[sand wigeon]

i used to run a scam ring in school where i would resell bad pokemon cards by packaging them like packs and selling them to other kids

[jovial bane]

There is nuance I bet, but I don't know what it is

[sand wigeon]

they'd buy them because they liked gambling and i used that to my advantage

[sand wigeon]

@twilit mountain can explain it better than i if she cares to

[junior oyster]

Anyway gunna play a bit of vampire survivors before I start work

[sand wigeon]

nah play griftlands instead

[twilit mountain]

I checked out the moment a completely different genre joined the conversation, I am not rejoining.

[sand wigeon]

you've gotta be kidding me

kojima. i don't have $10 for you leave me alone

i feel like kojima games afflict me like a lovecraftian curse

i am inextricably drawn to them

[jovial bane]

my uncultured hot take is that TRPG and w/e subgenre FE is were made to differentiate from jRPGs. But the moment you get rid of the abomination called RtwP the line between cRPGs and TRPGs blur so much it's pretty much the same. Because ultimately D&D started as tactical roleplaying game.

And it all circles back to wargaming

[sand wigeon]

called what

[sand wigeon]

you do know dnd is like. not the only ttrpg right

and that pathfinder is inarguably a larger inspiration when it comes to games

[jovial bane]

I'm aware, I just think it was the most infuencial

disclaimer

I mean 1e D&D, and AD&D

[sand wigeon]

literally nobody played 1e dnd

it was not popular

[jovial bane]

nobody played chainmail either, but it started it all

[sand wigeon]

also dnd isn't a tactics game i'ma be so real

dnd didn't even start out with a grid system

[jovial bane]

well yes, because it had roots in wargaming

[sand wigeon]

no

[jovial bane]

grid is just a simplification of using the tape

[sand wigeon]

gygax has discussed how he intended dnd to be played entirely as theater of the mind when it was first begun

the later usage of grids and such by externally interested parties inspired its official adoption because it aided players with less creativity

[jovial bane]

now I struggle to put chainmail into that equation

Was it meant to be wargame ?

[sand wigeon]

literally wtf is chainmail

how old are you

[jovial bane]

Or something adjacent to it ?

[sand wigeon]

i think you've got your wires crossed when it comes to how influential various things are

[jovial bane]

Chainmail is basically the game that predated the D&D

[sand wigeon]

dnd only started to actually be somewhat popular when 3.5 rolled around

and that's because there were games like neverwinter nights from the ip, NOT because of the ttrpg

[jovial bane]

that's a hot take, I'd say 2e

[sand wigeon]

no

5e is when dnd actually became popular as a ttrpg

thx to youtube videos and dnd podcasts

[jovial bane]

Because NVN was based on 3e, not 3.5.
And that's erasure of Baldur's Gate and Icewind Dale

[sand wigeon]

"games like"

trust me i'm very familiar with the dnd ip

the ttrpg of dnd was not popular until 5e

[jovial bane]

that is true

[sand wigeon]

then why did you disagree with me two seconds ago

[fierce moth]

Good afternoon (Sleep enough now)

[sand wigeon]

welcome back from your nap kirra

[jovial bane]

I honestly thought you've meant the D&D as a whole, not just tabletop

[sand wigeon]

then you should read the words on your screen

the truth of it is that dnd is still not all that popular

[jovial bane]

I think the only two games based off 3.5 were NVN2 and ToEE ?

[sand wigeon]

and the games, while at the time were notable, have mostly been swept under the rug in a lack of impact

to the point that most people do not know what neverwinter nights or icewind dale are

[sand wigeon]

people interested in the actual playing on dnd who were introduced by smth like neverwinter nights would have played 3.5 because of the timing of releases.

3.5 is inarguably more popular and was the most popular edition until 5e

[jovial bane]

yeah, that's fair.
Again I though you've meant D&D as a whole, including cRPGs

[sand wigeon]

crpg's have literally never been popular

[jovial bane]

well RPGs as a whole really

[sand wigeon]

no rpg's are very popular

crpg's aren't

[jovial bane]

By that point in time RPGs started to divert from cRPGs more often. But if we talk up to NVN1 relase, I don't think we had that many RPGs that weren't either cRPGs or jRPGs

around NVN2 we had Oblivion, so that would probably be the big title that started to divert towards action.

[sand wigeon]

jrpg's have literally always been magnitudes more popular than crpgs

[jovial bane]

Mass Effect was the one that really pushed it though

were they ?

[sand wigeon]

yes

most people do not know the games you've listed

including people who were in the age range of their target audiences at the time

everyone knows final fantasy lol

western game development did not become even noted until the 90's, and only started to take off in the 2000's

whereas japan has been making jrpg's for that entire period

often with higher quality and efficacy