📚┃off-topic

[junior oyster]

Concord 2.0

[jovial bane]

hilariously enough Concord is more recognisable than Horizon IMHO

[junior oyster]

Only because of its failure lol

[jovial bane]

well yes

[gilded elm]

Damn, Anguilla (the country that operates the .ai TLD) is really milking the AI hype. I wonder if a significant portion of their local economy is supported by .ai domain purchases and renewals lmao

I guess it's a territory, not a country.

LOL yep, according to Wikipedia.

I hadn't even considered it until I saw the price increase notice on Cloudflare Registry lol

Hopefully they aren't making any long term bets on the assumption this will continue to be a good source of government revenue.

Otherwise... they're kind of screwed lmao

[jovial bane]

afaik the territory with the .tv has quite a sizeable portion of their economy supported by the domain

[vagrant topaz]

Tuvalu

Yeah 😅

[desert jasper]

Got new sensor to try out for the diabetes stuff yesterday
So it turns out you need to calibrate it yourself... by poking a hole in the finger and measuring it with a thingy (and then do it again 30min-3hour period)
the sounds of the app don't work on my phone even when it has all the permissions etc
so that was a nice surprise to the company rep yesterday

[vagrant topaz]

Lol

Annoying

[desert jasper]

Yeah
also if you don't calibrate the sensor it even says you shouldn't use the numbers it shows as actual numbers for healthcare, more like approximates.
I think that's already enough for it not to become more widely used
also why is their app actually 2 different apps,

[fierce moth]

Finally a believable and relatable indie dev story

https://www.reddit.com/r/SoloDevelopment/s/er3cQsCifS

hah did a quick view for this subreddit, it's an interesting community

Quite sleepy... Let's take one more nap before dinner

[vagrant topaz]

Sound like it need more work

[desert jasper]

Yeah
The thing is, it's already a company that works in other countries too
they should have this thing working already

[fierce moth]

hah... This weather is cursed. I want to wear a T-shirt back at night

I want some snow to freeze the air.

The mobile fan go back to work hhhhhhhh sigh. Because I need that

[jovial bane]

meanwhile temperature over here is slowly stabilising

snow and ice is melting, I no longer have to worry about tripping and falling

[ebon meadow]

I think my fear from needles comes from remembering waking up every morning untill I was 7 and my mom poking my finger to take sample ,I have no idea how I was"cured" from being a diabetic but I dont have to do it anymore . It still borks me from time to time that my sugar just plum randomly

Sports was the worst I always carried glucose tablets

[junior oyster]

It's relatively cold but been raining almost non-stop these past couple of days

[ebon meadow]

Someone ice skating got 69.69 score and I auto went NICE voice loud in a pub 3 ot of 7 people around started to giggle internet broke us

I didn't even think of saying it my brain just autopilot

[fierce moth]

Hah I miss rainy day

[junior oyster]

Kirra you never seem to be happy lol

[fierce moth]

But it always make noises to bother me if the day is raining in sleep time because the roof of neighbor's garage is a giant steel plate

I like the air after rain mainly, very fresh

[ebon meadow]

So a true gamer at this point xdd we never seem to be happy for some reason

At least I can relax at work for a month working solo now

[junior oyster]

I'm very rarely upset

[desert jasper]

She's showing clear symptoms of depression

[ebon meadow]

I m not unhappy constantly it's just everything feels irrelevant

[ebon meadow]

No shit

[junior oyster]

Yea

I didn't want to say it like that though tbh

[ebon meadow]

Yea we know we don't say it loudly

Or publicly in this case lul

We all have our things ,rl exist for everyone

My happines I got paid I have a long weekend to spend with friends and I know I l enjoy it as always

That last 3 weeks then it's back to overthinking things

Also BPL soon for me weekend full of joy and sweaty grind

Also it's Friday I love Fridays

[desert jasper]

Ah, didn't even realize it's friday already
time flies too fast

[indigo shadow]

He-Man related post, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15dTnW26eTQ Here's the voice actor of he-man, one of the rare video of him being featured

[sand wigeon]

that also sounds like depression lol

[fierce moth]

Wick's left triggered my depression, yes

Learning how to put it down

Don't want to experience the dark time brought from depression in 2023 again

[sand wigeon]

kirra why are you so attached to these people being paid to talk to you

like these aren’t your friends

that’s the reality

these are people doing their jobs

[junior oyster]

No it didn't. You were depressed waaay back

Also it's leaving not left. Just wanted to correct you a little

So it'd be 'Wick leaving...'

[junior oyster]

There is nothing inherently wrong with feeling sad about someone leaving but when you get depressed over it, is... strange to put it in the kindest terms

[fierce moth]

It forced me to think a question, how to deal with your relationship with people if everyone in your life will leave you one day

[silent steeple]

My 2 cents on the matter. If it is depression one is dealing with then I'd advice them to stay off of internet for as long as possible. It is NOT a nice place to be when thought process is already suffering

[junior oyster]

As many of us have said touch grass

And for a long period of time

As for irl stuff, you deal with it however you can.

[gilded elm]

It's amazing the things we tell ourselves to mask or explain our feelings. Introspection is such an underrated tool for knowing oneself better.

[junior oyster]

Today I'm feeling down

Because I have a cold

🥹

[sand wigeon]

jfc

[twilit mountain]

I am feeling my usual. Which is to say somewhat apathetic if nothing is engaging me and just trying to coast through pain that doesn't go away.

But yeah, Kirra you really need to not get attached to people you have no guarantee of being around, especially people who aren't even close to being friends with you.

[junior oyster]

I honestly think we should ignore Kirra. Us adding our commentary probably only makes her condition worse

By ignore I mean when she mentions stuff like the above

Not outright ignore

[gilded elm]

Apathetic from a cynical worldview or just actual non-interest/indifference because nothing holds your interest?

@twilit mountain

[twilit mountain]

Apathetic as in literally feel zero emotion

[gilded elm]

Ouch, I can't imagine what that's like. Sounds like a double-edged sword though... dulling experiences that should feel painful, but also the same for experiences that should bring joy.

[sand wigeon]

you often just feel the pain later, or subconsciously, and none of the joy

[gilded elm]

wtf that's even worse

[twilit mountain]

Some people have it as a side effect from anti-depressants, but I've kinda always had this as a state that kicks in for a while. Doesn't usually last more than a couple days, but has at times lasted months (granted hasn't been that long in a good while).

[warped wren]

anti anxiety meds also do that

[sand wigeon]

like i have long extended periods where i have nearly no emotions but everything that happens during those periods etc reflects on my subconscious and i'm dealing with ramifications even now

[gilded elm]

That sucks. If you don't mind me prodding just a little... can you describe what kind of thoughts you do have during these apathetic episodes?

[twilit mountain]

It's gonna sound strange but almost no thoughts, it's one of the few times where I don't have more thoughts than I can express. Most of the time it's just blanket acknowledgement of things.
Wake up, "Okay I have to do [blank]", and then I go do it without even really noticing I'm doing it.
I'm not really bothered by anything, I just exist and do what is necessary.
Right now I'm putting active effort to track my thoughts to reply to you with something.
Currently I'm numbing my physical pain and then I'm gonna go hop to laundry and deal with some of my mess. Normally that overwhelms me and I need to ask for help, but right now it's pretty straightforward.

[desert jasper]

Ah I know that feeling

or well, lack of iy

it

[gilded elm]

Thank you, that's really wild. I know from previous conversation you also have pretty bad ADHD same as me (not sure if you're still medicated?) and I was curious if it's something I could relate to at all and I don't think I can. It's bad... but also sounds like it also improves your executive function in some ways.

I hope you feel better btw.

[twilit mountain]

I do and am medicated, yes. Med manager signed off on supplying me with almost the next 4 months worth.
For what it's worth, I'm pretty certain I have other mental conditions that haven't been diagnosed or evaluated yet and I'd not be surprised if this were related to that.
Thank you though.

[gilded elm]

Yeah, Vyvanse (which is what I take daily) can sometimes dull my emotions, but nothing even close to blanking them completely. It's such a wild concept.

[sand wigeon]

me with this ever growing list of possible mental issues i need to talk to a psych about

[gilded elm]

Just pray you don't get a psych who gaslights you...
It's crazy how you can go to 3 different therapists or psychologists and get 3 different diagnoses.

And this is common.

[abstract karma]

take money - give paper - classic work of therapists
in many cases also other doctors in medical field

good docs are rarity and people which are willing to help doctors to diagnose same

[sand wigeon]

a psychiatrist isn't a therapist

[gilded elm]

I thought you meant psychologist not psychiatrist. Which usually makes more sense for a diagnosis. Psychiatrists focus more on medication.

[sand wigeon]

they can also diagnose

[gilded elm]

Yeah they can 100%

They just approach treatment differently.

[sand wigeon]

i pretty much know what i have so

i won't say it until it is diagnosed, i hate claiming things like that without knowing for sure, but still

[warped wren]

this is really insulting towards professionals who try to do a good job for their patients. There are bad apples everywhere. Generalizing in a demeaning manner helps nobody.

I have had run ins with both good and terrible mental health professionals. The good ones have genuinely turned my life around, and I respect the profession a lot

[abstract karma]

Insulting towards professionals ? that'S why i have wrote "good docs are rarity"

Their number is far less than your colorfully descriped "bad apples"

[sand wigeon]

i don't think they're that rare tbh

[warped wren]

also health professionals of any kind get a lot of flak as it is from poorly educated / entitled fools

[sand wigeon]

i haven't had a bad experience with a doctor since i was eleven

at least where i live

[abstract karma]

good place then, envy you

[sand wigeon]

and like, of course diagnoses on mental issues vary

[abstract karma]

i need 1 - 2 towns futher to get decent health care

[sand wigeon]

they're essentially invisible issues that can be difficult to communicate or diagnose

[gilded elm]

Honestly I do prefer psychiatrists as a first-line of treatment over therapists/psychologists because they are focused on immediate treatment. They rarely, if ever, address the underlying subconscious driver for a mental condition... but when I'm suffering I usually want relief first.

[sand wigeon]

i mean i go four towns over lol

[warped wren]

sounds like you just love to think the worst of people. Have fun ig.

[sand wigeon]

drive an hour and a half just to get to my practitioner lol

[gilded elm]

Yep, and therapists/psychologists know this. There aren't X-rays or scans people can just point at and say "you suck at your job for not catching this"

[sand wigeon]

yeah

so i don't think going "you can go to different ones and get different diagnoses!!" is all that weird

[gilded elm]

It is in fact extremely common.

[sand wigeon]

there could be differences in how you communicated your problems, the details you give, and obviously the practitioner

not to mention just how you feel on any given day

not to get too detailed, but one of the things i almost certainly have is bipolar depression. some days, i feel like i'm on top of the world, i feel great, like nothing is wrong

the next day i can't function

that's an obvious sign of bipolar depression but if i go in on that good day i'll likely think i don't have these problems, because the crash hasn't hit

[gilded elm]

Not to mention decades of preconceptions ingrained into some practitioners. "You did good in school so it's impossible for you to have ADHD"

[desert jasper]

Friend had that happen to her

[gilded elm]

Practitioners are often highly opinionated.

[gilded elm]

Sucks, and an all too common story.

[sand wigeon]

tbf i think i got diagnosed with adhd just because i WAS doing bad in school

i don't think i have it lol

[warped wren]

It's not about grades, is about behavior

[gilded elm]

I think a lot of people are right to distrust therapists/psychologists.

[warped wren]

Grades may be bad

Not necessarily

Source: I have ADHD and have had extensive discussions with therapists, a psychologist, and a psychiatrist

[fierce moth]

I think it's good for me on the opposite. Less emotions are spreading is important for self-protection

[sand wigeon]

no that's called an unhealthy defense mechanism

[twilit mountain]

I had very high grades overall, I was just terrible at turning in assignments or following instructions properly, or really following the class itself. I effectively self-studied instead of paying attention to what the teacher was doing.

[warped wren]

Same or similar in my case

[fierce moth]

No emotions, just yawning once I'm overthinking. It feel good

The shortness is it means I always want to sleep

[gilded elm]

I'm not a Buddhist, but there's a lot about Buddhism and Taoism specifically that I really agree with. Suffering is important and necessary.

[gilded elm]

You will never know what "feeling good" feels like if you don't feel bad.

[twilit mountain]

Suffering is a part of human life. It's difficult and feels bad, but ultimately I believe it is rather meaningful.
To me life is about finding the good through it.

[gilded elm]

Definitely agree.

[sand wigeon]

wait until you hear about western magick

its whole thing is suffering so much you reach enlightenment in one lifetime

[fierce moth]

Feel bad = feel helpless, so I try my best to avoid that

[twilit mountain]

(Also, you shouldn't be tired all the time, that's a bit of a sign for many things. I am tired all the time for various reasons, not the least of which is chronic insomnia and a circadian rhythm disorder)

[gilded elm]

I used to excessively nap to cope with depression.

It's not a good thing.

Just because you're tired doesn't mean you're really tired. Boredom (whether it's from depression or whatever else) can be the reason.

[desert jasper]

adhd brain preventing getting enough deep sleep

Nice, done with the first region in Nioh 2

[gilded elm]

I really wanted to try and hold Kirra accountable, push her in directions that might spark a desire for personal and professional growth... but ultimately I can't really do anything because she is locked into a very narrow mindset where I'm just speaking into the void.

[sand wigeon]

yeah pretty much

[gilded elm]

There's always some excuse about why things are the way they are. Fate? Country? Parents? It's always something.

[desert jasper]

Aye

[sand wigeon]

like there are reasonable excuses but that doesn't mean do anything

[sudden anchor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsPPYtM6-RE Dr K talking about victimhood live. I think it's fitting.

[sand wigeon]

i do not need to listen to a quack doctor on a podcast or whatever

[sudden anchor]

maybe others do

[sand wigeon]

nobody does

nobody needs that in their life lol

[sudden anchor]

ok

[gilded elm]

I don't think anything Dr K says about most psychological topics are crazy or outright wrong, I just don't think self-help resources really work for most people because there's no accountability on following through.

It's easy to watch a video and say "this is the problem, this is how I fix my life" but the reality is that a person who watches a video and comes to that conclusion will make exactly zero changes to their life.

IMO, real external change usually comes from people you care about.

Friends and family holding you accountable to the things you say and do.

[silent steeple]

That depends on the approach tho. I've seen ppl shun family and friends for that exact reason

[gilded elm]

Of course. In a way, I think you've helped me convey my point. The people closest to you mean more, they can either help you or hurt you.

[sudden anchor]

I do not agree. I think ya'll are trying to be helpful and so is the Dr. It's just another point of view, arguably more professional.

[silent steeple]

In general I agree with the premise that if ur friends aren't helping u set ur course straight then they aren't ur friends. But sometimes even with the right intention, if the approach to the issue is wrong then the person might feel betrayed. As if they can't be vulnerable with friends/family anymore as they might use it to make a point

[gilded elm]

Yes, and that feeling of betrayal spurs that person to action, to make some change in their life. The point is that "help" has more meaning when it's coming from someone you actually care about, whether it's for better or worse.

Obviously I'm not advocating for friend and family to be tactless in their approach to help a loved one.

[warped wren]

Wdym quack

Dude's an MD afaik

Though I have only watched one of his videos but I had checked his credentials back then and distinctly recall he's an actual doctor with a psychiatry specialization

[gilded elm]

His credentials are solid AFAIK, the only sketch is that he does sometimes reference Hinduism (perhaps in a "this is how it was understood in India back in the day" sort of way) but he did also give a platform to Sadhguru for what it's worth.

[sand wigeon]

i just tend not to trust yt doctor's as much, whether their credentials are good or not

[warped wren]

Oh ew

Unfortunate that he platformed scamguru

[warped wren]

Yeah that's fair

[fierce moth]

The same case

[silent steeple]

Welp that should tank any credibility the man had

[sand wigeon]

who is sadhguru/scamguru

[gilded elm]

I don't think it was really a "promotional" thing.

It was an interview.

[warped wren]

The Hinduism thing I can accept because fine, sure, docs are people and can have personal beliefs and tie those beliefs with their work. Platforming Scamguru though..

No thanks lmao

[sand wigeon]

oh my

[warped wren]

Yeah Jaggi Vasudev (his real name) is a certified scammer and has a long history of sexist commentary, shady circumstances, and pseudoscience

[gilded elm]

To be clear, Dr. K wasn't directly promoting Sadhguru ideas or beliefs, but it is a fact that he gave him a platform and exposed him to his audience.

Take that as you will.

I think he wanted to do some kind of video to entertain the absurdity in a professional way.

But yeah I understand why a lot of people would think he's just too bad of a person to be afforded that courtesy.

[warped wren]

Nobody needs to platform pseudoscience unless you intend to tear it apart live.

[silent steeple]

The thing is if he was doing it as a podcast thing where u invite all sorts of ppl to discuss topic at hand(medicine) then that'd be fine
But if he didn't call out any pseudo scientific claims being made then, u know...

[warped wren]

Or sexism for that matter

[gilded elm]

Yeah, in which case obviously Sadhguru would've never agreed to do the interview, I imagine.

[warped wren]

Good. Let these turds make their own platforms if they want.

[gilded elm]

It's kind of like he tried to do a Joe Rogan lmao

[warped wren]

Or better yet just ban them

[sand wigeon]

Joe Rogan is an ass

like a literal one

[junior oyster]

🍿

[sand wigeon]

obody should listen to anything joe rogan has to say lol

[warped wren]

China's law banning social media personalities from talking about subjects they're not experts in needs to be a global norm

For realsies

[gilded elm]

I like Joe Rogan.
Joe Rogan from the NewsRadio TV show lol.

[sand wigeon]

well i don't

[gilded elm]

Do you remember this show? https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ycotzJzZXgc

I mean it wasn't a great show, I just have fond memories because it's part of my childhood lmao

[sand wigeon]

no i've never heard of this

[sudden anchor]

The memes about joe "jamey pull that video of a bear doing lsd up" rogan are funny. I liked some ai versions of joe rogan, which popped up like 2 years ago.

[gilded elm]

I guess we've entered an era where nobody will ever remember Joe Rogan actually used to be a decent character from a decent TV show! haha

[sand wigeon]

ai generated joe rogan videos...

you are laughing at literal slop

mm yes my gruel more please lord

[junior oyster]

AI gordon ramsey is great

[sand wigeon]

what are you TALKING ABOUT

[gilded elm]

It's going to be hilarious to see how AI training overcomes the sloppification of the internet in the future. It's already a problem being discussed, because so much of the internet is now AI-generated content haha.

AI training on AI content has been a disaster so far.

[ebon meadow]

Not wrong lol I so know more or less how to deal with it or chill

[sudden anchor]

yea, athenewins was one of the first content creators to bring his own ai tool, I believe, back when that tech became popular. he got people like jordan peterson, asmongold, esfand lmao. in a really good way.

[gilded elm]

LOL the Curl project (an enormously popular and ubiquitous open source tool) shut down their Bug Bounty program due to an overwhelming amount of AI-generated submissions trying to claim a bounty on a bug (these pay out real money and it's a common thing projects and companies do to encourage people to share discovered vulnerabilities/exploits in software).

Basically the submissions were almost always wrong and required significant human work to review and inevitably reject.

They kept a whole list of slop bounty submissions lol
https://gist.github.com/bagder/07f7581f6e3d78ef37dfbfc81fd1d1cd

[sand wigeon]

i'm saying that if you find this funny i cannot conceive us being in the same worldly plane

[sudden anchor]

they were quite hyped back then. I came across by algorithm and found it funny, so did others. There will always be some % of people who find x funny and many more who don't

[gilded elm]

I think it could be seen as funny from the lens of someone who doesn't "hate" AI. Could also be framed as blissful ignorance, maybe.

[sand wigeon]

i don't even hate ai, i hate the ai bubble and generative ai practices

[gilded elm]

Same. Screw these companies, the bubble, and the practices that enabled them to reach this point.

[silent steeple]

There's a term for this

I cant remember the name of it

[sand wigeon]

decently deep discount if anyone happens to be interested in this game

[sudden anchor]

I do want to see ai customized good movies, etc. in the future. There might still be a far way to go there. But imagine you could have a movie where you can direct stuff in real time at any given moment you would like.

[gilded elm]

Sure, but I would first like to see this bubble burst so we can move on from it.

People will suffer, but it has to happen.

[sand wigeon]

so hnot a movie

also you'll never see that

because the people who make "good" movies are the people ai leeches from

the ones who ai destroy

there is no future with good media if ai prevails

[sudden anchor]

I don't understand what people mean with ai bubble. What is that?

[sand wigeon]

take a finance class

[sudden anchor]

Which ones can you recommend based on your experience?

[sand wigeon]

oh my gods.

i've never taken one

i educated myself on my own

colleges have many classes you can sign up for individually

without needing to attend

take a finance course

[gilded elm]

It means there's a lot of money being invested into something that currently produces no real value and has not ever produced any real value. Once that money dries up (investors realizing there is no profit to be had) then the market crashes with everyone pulling out.

[sand wigeon]

that day will be beautiful

[gilded elm]

AI is a bubble because it does nothing and it's sucking up all of the money that should be going to job opportunities.

[sudden anchor]

They said the same about btc? Yet here it is still.

[gilded elm]

No it isn't. Crypto is a non-existent market by comparison.

Crypto is like a drop in the ocean.

Nobody actually serious uses crypto.

[sand wigeon]

also the gamble is that companies will get people to rely on ai

[gilded elm]

It's a speculative gambling market.

[sand wigeon]

so they can monetize the hell out of it and people can't go back

making them tons of money

the gamble is they can do this before the investment money dries up

[twilit mountain]

Anybody smart with crypto (imo) has already pulled out with the cash they hopefully made and won't look back

[gilded elm]

Today, cryptocurrency is almost synonymous with "scam" to most people.

It's not even a real commodity, it's an entirely speculative market.

It's just gambling with more steps.

[twilit mountain]

I love gambling. That's why I refuse to do it in any manner that will actually affect me.

[silent steeple]

Isn't its market cap at around 120T?

[gilded elm]

Who's exchanging that much crypto for fiat currency? Tell me.

[sand wigeon]

of gambling money sure

[gilded elm]

If you have a million dollars in crypto. Do you think you can just "cash out" immediately? No, you can't.

[sand wigeon]

the market cap of "casinos" (see how stupid it is to generalize so extremely) probably exceeds that

except none of the player's have that money lol

[sand wigeon]

that too

[silent steeple]

Trump? xD

[sand wigeon]

uh no

that guy gets bailed out by his subordinates regularly

he's gone bankrupt like five times because any wealth he does have is tied up in assets

[gilded elm]

Crypto gets hailed by its proponents as decentralized and outside of the government's control, and yet... it has exactly zero meaning until you convert it into... drum roll real money. Guess how you have to do that and who writes the laws for being able to do that?

[sand wigeon]

✨ literally every government ✨

[twilit mountain]

Unrelated, my wet laundry is so cold it's triggered my Raynaud's

[sand wigeon]

the modern world will never allow a cryptocurrency because it just doesn't make sense

even speculative fiction knows this

a currency HAS to be backed by a central power if it's a not a practical item, and the people are not a strong enough power

[gilded elm]

AI is genuinely in a completely different category. It's real, it's kind of useful (or rather, it has enormous potential to be useful) and what investors are pouring money into is AI's potential that companies like NVIDIA and Microsoft are trying to sell, not any tangible value that currently exists today. The question is how long will it take before investors eventually realize this crap is going nowhere and pull out en masse.

[sand wigeon]

i don't understand how you could go through life not understanding this when i am literally uneducated

[gilded elm]

This is why literally every tech bro CEO who talks about AI talks about it in a way that makes it sound like it's going to take over all desk jobs "in 6 months" or "in 2 years" or whatever they like to say.

They are selling a promise.

One that it doesn't look like they'll be able to keep.

[twilit mountain]

It's been what, like 5 years since they started selling this promise?

Doesn't seem to be coming true, just seems to be causing more frustration across the board

[gilded elm]

Yep, bubble has just been growing and growing. Eventually people are going to have to come to terms with the fact that none of their promises are even remotely showing signs of materializing.

[gilded elm]

And governments don't want shady "under the table" currencies for what most people would consider a good reason: it removes crucial barriers to some really messed up illegal stuff.

[sand wigeon]

it is not hard to educate yourself. trust me. go do it.

[sudden anchor]

Stablecoins are typically backed by rl stuff like papers, gold and such I think. But with how bad the $ is doing, I think my what - 10% interest is only ok or even bad.

[silent steeple]

I know a good number of ppl who are neither interested nor know much abt ai or crypto or anything internet related who go by just fine. Precisely because of that

[sand wigeon]

then they should educate themselves!

[twilit mountain]

idk if I'd necessarily call BTC (or any coin) stable.

[gilded elm]

And what's the market cap for stablecoins?

I'll save you the effort: nobody actually uses them.

A crypto coin backed by fiat defeats a lot of the point of using a crypto coin in the first place. Not that it was ever a good idea.

[silent steeple]

Why? For example a friend of mine owns 3 farms and most he deals with tech is using his drones. He lives a life more luxurious than mine and knows nothing abt any of this 😂

[sand wigeon]

because ending the pursuit of furthering yourself means you've given up on yourself

[sudden anchor]

I use it to park my worth I have previously held in btc, for when I feel like taking a rest.
Not sure what the mcap is.

[gilded elm]

If you want to invest money and earn a comfortable, stable 10% annual return, don't do something dumb like putting it into stable coins. Just put it into the S&P500 through a broker like Vanguard (VOO/VFIAX).

Most people (who have the money) probably have their retirement accounts and 401ks invested in the S&P500 in some form or another. For good reason.

[sudden anchor]

What is that? Another cryptocurrency?

[sand wigeon]

OH MY GODS.

[gilded elm]

It's a stock market index...

It tracks the top 500 companies in the US.

Say you bought a share of VOO from Vanguard, that's like investing into 500 different companies all at once.

It's the investing equivalent of "don't put all your eggs into one basket"

[silent steeple]

Funnily enough my family didn't let me invest into SIP heavily

[gilded elm]

Some financial literacy is a very important skill in life IMO, it saves you from making poor choices like putting money into crypto.

[sand wigeon]

remember: budget all your income, always put some into savings and always invest some

[twilit mountain]

I am so glad you are not a crypto peddling dimwit.

[sand wigeon]

yeah. i have my negative opinions of you byte but at LEAST you are better than that

you

you "invested" into nft's?

[gilded elm]

Hah, I am who I am but I still appreciate the words lmao

[sand wigeon]

one of the most obvious rugpulls with literally no possible application?

[sudden anchor]

My friend who pulled out at one of the best times made x 100

[gilded elm]

You made bets in a speculative market. That's not investing, it's actually called gambling.

[sand wigeon]

your friend gambled and happened to win

i can throw $20 on black and make $40

doesn't mean it's skill

[sudden anchor]

Did i come across bregging?

[sand wigeon]

what is bregging

[gilded elm]

Investing requires making informed decisions. You can't be informed about an inherently volatile market.

[twilit mountain]

No, we're criticizing you for making bad decisions not for "bragging"

[sand wigeon]

(btw, the S&P is something called an "index fund." an index fund is when you put small amounts of money into many, stable companies, instead of throwing it all into one stable company or even one volatile industry. they're considered the safest and best way to invest, as your index fund will steadily grow in value)

[gilded elm]

When I invest money into an S&P500-based fund, I'm doing so because:

1. It has decades of consistent growth
2. It's based on the performance of the top 500 companies, mitigating my risk for loss
   This is based on concrete information. I'm not gambling, but I accept there is a chance I can experience downturns in the market (this happens every once in a while) and there is a chance I might lose big if the market does happen to just get nuked somehow, but I make this decision based on the information I have that says this is a safe bet.

[twilit mountain]

Meanwhile, multiple crypto markets in the past twelve hours have had shifts of THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS of value lol

[sudden anchor]

There is money to be made there

[twilit mountain]

No there isn't

[gilded elm]

There's money to be made gambling, too.

[twilit mountain]

Because it went DOWN and barely made it back to its former

[gilded elm]

Your odds of winning, though?

[sudden anchor]

I mean it was obvious crypto gonna tank, especially btc with hints at epstein involvement

[sand wigeon]

i can become a millionaire if i just put everything on red 81 or whatever and i win!

oops i just lost all my money.

[gilded elm]

I can at least say "yeah, S&P500 is going to take a hit when the AI bubble bursts because people will panic sell all their tech company shares" but that's a no-brainer. Crypto is just "i dunno, whatever happens just happens lmao"

[sand wigeon]

oh you mean the illegal trades and purposes that byte JUST SAID would make the coin inherently unstable as governments try to shut down thos epractices and uses

[gilded elm]

That said, the S&P500 and other similar indices always experience periods of bad market conditions, but they also always bounce back.

[sand wigeon]

not to mention the usa at minimum has been in the worst economic depression it's ever seen since covid

[sudden anchor]

Governmenta are another lever you can play. It's a big game

[sand wigeon]

you are not mister miyagi

[gilded elm]

I get the impression you are the game being played lol

[sand wigeon]

seriously

you are the sheep!

you are the cattle in the herd!

that's the point! you buy into this belief which makes the people at the top money

and maybe, once in a while, one of you wins. so that the others keep trying

it's LITERALLY THE SAME SCHEME AS GAMBLING!

[gilded elm]

You're making arguments to justify (which is a form of defense) these practices. You're an unwilling agent to a scheme designed to convert your money into someone else's money lol

[sudden anchor]

If I made more informed decisions I would have made money, it's on me. But I am saying it's possible to on average be in plus in crypto. Just different risk compared to s&p and stuff.

[sand wigeon]

it's possible to average on gambling

[sudden anchor]

Aren't we all in such a scheme, on a grand scale?

[sand wigeon]

oh my gods you're getting close

yes, we are, it's called capitalism!

where only the extremely wealthy prevail!

that's why we should eat the rich!

[gilded elm]

My dad just retired a few months ago. Led a diligent life of hard work with middle class income and started investing late in life. Despite starting late in investing, he can now withdraw over $10k/mo from his various investments + social security for the rest of his life without draining those investments. Most of his money is in the S&P500.

And by investments I mean his Individual Retirement Account and his 401k.

He wasn't some kind of trader. He just did what average Joe would do if they had the money to invest in their retirement.

Sometimes being smart is just about being diligent.

[twilit mountain]

It's what I'd do if I had the money

[sand wigeon]

unfortunately people my age will likely never retire

and that's the issue

getting any money to invest lol

[gilded elm]

Yeah, the past few generations have it harder than a lot of people are willing to admit IMO.

[sand wigeon]

millenials have it worse than gen x, gen z have it worse than millenials and gen alpha will have it worse than gen z

[gilded elm]

Procreation almost seems unethical given the current circumstances, heh.

[sand wigeon]

i agree that it is

[junior oyster]

I miss Kitchen nightmares UK 😭

Wish there were more than the crappy US ones

[twilit mountain]

Hi there, welcome to #general-economics Fane

[sand wigeon]

if i could choose to never have been born, i would

and i would not give life to another because of that

and the sentiment is similar for many people my age

[gilded elm]

Hits hard because it rings true tbh.

[junior oyster]

I felt the convo died so I wanted to start a new topic lol

I've been lurking mainly. I don't want to go into politics etc

[gilded elm]

Consider adoption if you want to experience parenthood, tbh.

[sand wigeon]

that's what i would do

[twilit mountain]

I'unno, I'm just running maps in TLI while waiting on laundry. Need money for crafting.

[sand wigeon]

i would always adopt

[gilded elm]

Because at least then you are very likely removing the child from a terrible situation.

And saving someone who exists right now.

[sand wigeon]

if i were to adopt, i'd likely adopt much older than typical

because kids tend to grow out of the age range where they even get adopted and that fate is not good

[gilded elm]

Oh yeah... older kids might be the ethical adoption choice.

Their clock is running out.

[sand wigeon]

yeah

it's needless to say how even a few years of stability can do a lot for ateen

uh

[sudden anchor]

https://youtu.be/GRvBuEwHMbw?si=fDqjZku3ibtJpbhi&t=37

[sand wigeon]

uh.

[twilit mountain]

I'm pretty sure you literally cannot do that. I am assuming it's a reference to whatever you linked

[sand wigeon]

yeah you can't

[gilded elm]

I looked it up and apparently adult adoptions are actually a thing lmao

[sand wigeon]

technically

[gilded elm]

It sets up a family tree for things like inheritance and such.

[sand wigeon]

yeah

but maybe don't say "i'd adopt an 18 year old woman"

[gilded elm]

Yeah I had a very inappropriate first thought

[sand wigeon]

even if it's a reference

[gilded elm]

Maybe my mind is in the gutter, it just didn't come across quite as you may have intended lmao

[sand wigeon]

i don't think your mind is in the gutter i think that's just a weird level of specificity

[desert jasper]

My brother was adopted to the family when he was like 20
well, "brother"
he had been living with us since he was 3 and for all intents & purposes he was a part of the family
but the parents did want to make it that he has the same legal rights as we do

[sand wigeon]

what changed in the rights?

[gilded elm]

That's actually cool!

[silent steeple]

The moral of the story is Lariat, not everyone watches the same skits as u and not everyone would get that joke 😂

[sand wigeon]

pretty much

[desert jasper]

so he has same rights to inheritance than the rest of us actual biological kids

[sand wigeon]

oh right inheritance

i don't think either of my parents have left me anything in the case of their deaths

[junior oyster]

I've never found impractical jokers funny

[sand wigeon]

it's all going to their partners, so i forgot that inheritance is a thing

[junior oyster]

I guess it's more of an american thing?

[gilded elm]

Sends a clear signal that he's an equal member of the family.

Honestly I like that.

[junior oyster]

But at the same time I loved The Office (US)

[ebon meadow]

I have a huge problem with Shameless US Vs the original

[junior oyster]

No idea what that is

[ebon meadow]

Yes the show is great but...

[gilded elm]

I actually love The Office US version, but damn it's so cringe out of context lmao

I mean it's cringe in context too, but in a funny way

[junior oyster]

Yea

[silent steeple]

Is this the one with a group of kids living in a huge house?

[ebon meadow]

The show is good when u want slaps of reality ,and not fantasies like bois but actual RL problems

[junior oyster]

I mainly love the Jim vs Dwight stuff

[gilded elm]

Haha, Dwight is great.

[lethal bane]

But gambling doesn't let me feel so smug about myself

[sand wigeon]

REAL

[ebon meadow]

Yea it's basically about a huge struggling family,the British one was crazy

[silent steeple]

I remember watching a few episodes wayyyyy back when

I did not like it

Just a personal pref thing

[ebon meadow]

Wh is wrong with my corrector on phone yesus

[ebon meadow]

Defenetly one of those weird ones because they manage to hit points that can be related to any family

[sand wigeon]

doesn't sound like it

[ebon meadow]

The original one is just a slap of reality

[gilded elm]

I remember liking Shameless (US), I just never finished it. I can't completely relate to the show because I didn't really have a dysfunctional family, but I felt a lot of things watching that show for sure.

[ebon meadow]

The only way I can decent US version is for the dad actor

[warped wren]

https://youtu.be/WfjGZCuxl-U?si=eVmAKU7YRqgukNuu

Relevant

Just saw it in unread and I literally just saw the vid so thought I'd link

[warped wren]

My wife watches that show, I can't forking stand it. Some things in it hit too close to heart to watch a comedy of.

[sand wigeon]

what do they even do in it

like in what ways are thye dysfunctional

[ebon meadow]

I watched two and a half man almost 4 times

[gilded elm]

First part of that video citing all the tech job losses in 2024, holy crap didn't know the number was that high.

[gilded elm]

Big and poor family, patriarch is a useless alcoholic, daughter steps up and tries to be the parent figure in the family.

[junior oyster]

I probably watched an episode or two

[warped wren]

Alcoholic, unemployed father. Absent mother. Number of kids with neglected childhoods doing all sorts of shady / outright criminal activities to keep the house functional

[junior oyster]

I don't find shows like that and friends funny at all

[sand wigeon]

and this is smth that all families can relate to??

[junior oyster]

Referring to this

[ebon meadow]

Accurate

[ebon meadow]

Majority of EU it's exaggerated but yea

[warped wren]

Life in such a household is very, very far from funny

[ebon meadow]

We go thru bumps

[sand wigeon]

those ain't bumps

[gilded elm]

That dad would've been disowned a lot sooner if it were me.

[junior oyster]

Do you have statistics to back this up?

[ebon meadow]

Not at all

[junior oyster]

I haven't watched the show nor will I waste my time doing so though

[sand wigeon]

dude i think your home life was just bad

[ebon meadow]

Co plete observation of surrounding world and personal

[junior oyster]

Right...

[ebon meadow]

It's a show things are exaggerated as I said

But sometimes it feels to real

[warped wren]

You're telling me in the EU it's common to have jobless alcoholic fathers and the kids running criminal gigs to put food on the table / keep the dad out of prison? Or even a less extreme version of that?

[sand wigeon]

yeah like what?

[ebon meadow]

I don't want to deny or confirm what u want I m from east

[junior oyster]

East where?

[warped wren]

Bro I'm from a literal third world country and it's not that bad

[ebon meadow]

Why do I think I moved to a sunny country when my parents could afford it lmao

[junior oyster]

Ok?

[sand wigeon]

again i think YOU had a bad home life

[junior oyster]

What's that got to do with anything lol

[ebon meadow]

I m from under Moscow, Lipetsk

[silent steeple]

Didn't that show run for like 10+ years?

[junior oyster]

Yea did some research and apparently it did

[gilded elm]

Shameless is good if you want to feel the entire spectrum of emotions, even the really bad ones. Some people might not, though.

[ebon meadow]

What I thought u asked me where I from lul

[junior oyster]

This

[silent steeple]

I think i dropped it around 3-4 episode

[gilded elm]

The little girl is so innocent too and always coming to her useless dad's defense, heh. It's hard not to care about her feelings while simultaneously feeling hate for the father.

[silent steeple]

Any show/movie that involves minors being portrayed like that makes me really uncomfortable

[twilit mountain]

Oh cool

[silent steeple]

But funnily enough shows like that were all the rage back then

Anything that felt too real

[gilded elm]

I figure a big part of the appeal is that the portrayal feels plausible. Like it's something that could really happen.

[silent steeple]

Exactly what got me uncomfortable like come on!

[gilded elm]

Yeah, and a lot of people just don't wanna see that kind of drama, it just hits too hard.

[silent steeple]

Whats sad is I was actively looking for good shows back then

And all that was recommended to me was a bunch of korean drama series

Could never get into it

[ebon meadow]

2 and half man , big bang then Simpsons or family guy untill I was 26

[gilded elm]

I grew up in Korea and couldn't even get into Korean dramas lmao

[ebon meadow]

I did like books a lot back then to

[warped wren]

The main thing that enraged me about Shameless is that it's a comedy. Like I'm sorry, there's nothing comical about that life.

But talking about good shows, I've heard talks about an Expanse reboot / continuation being discussed, which would be the most epic thing ever if it happens

[gilded elm]

Yeah, I could see that. My idea of a good comedy show is closer to It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia lol

[sand wigeon]

YEEEEEEEAH

[warped wren]

Ikr

[sand wigeon]

it was just getting into the good bits too lol

[warped wren]

It could be nuts if it happens

[gilded elm]

That would be cool. Expanse has been one of the cooler sci-fi universes I've been exposed to and I never read any of the books. Just the Amazon stuff.

[junior oyster]

I hope it's not controversial but I loved 'everybody hates Chris'

Most comedy shows are a nogo for me but that was a good show

[gilded elm]

I think what makes Expanse very cool to me is how much more practical/realistic the science behind it actually is.

Like it feels closer to our current timeline.

[sand wigeon]

it's made by actual scientists iirc

[warped wren]

The show is a very good adaptation but the books are top tier

[sand wigeon]

much like futurama

[warped wren]

They're written by Daniel Abraham and Ty Franck, two proteges of George Martin

[silent steeple]

I was into BBT but then someone at work said how BBT follows same patterns and formula of Friends and I could never not see it any other way

[sand wigeon]

well george martin is a bad writer

ghosts uk was pretty funny

the us one is rly bad tho

[warped wren]

If you look at it from a consistency and pacing pov then yes. If you look at the average quality of his prose and characterization then no

I would still rank him as one of the better fantasy authors out there

There's some real slop in the genre

[sand wigeon]

he's not for me

[gilded elm]

I remember that gravity on the ships in the Expanse is created entirely by the ship's acceleration, that's why the ships are build like towers lol

[sand wigeon]

yep

[gilded elm]

There's no kind of artificial gravity you find in almost every other spacefaring sci-fi.

[warped wren]

Which makes perfect sense

[gilded elm]

And that's so friggin' cool IMO

[sand wigeon]

there's a scene ||with a colony turned warship where they can't move the ship, but the internal drum of the ship can spin because of the fact that it was designed for a colony, and people have to use that to treat their wounds using the makeshift rgavity generated by the spinning, otherwise they can't clot the wounds. one of the best moments in the entire book series/show||

[lethal bane]

Ano, Dream, did you guys ever read the Southern Reach trilogy?

[sand wigeon]

no

never heard of it

[lethal bane]

First book was Annihilation

[sand wigeon]

yeah, like my books!

[lethal bane]

It does a lot of eldritch ecology stuff but mixes in more spy and secret government agency plots into it too

[sand wigeon]

interesting

i'll put it on the list

[lethal bane]

Liked it a lot, my partner and I began reading it together. Even got my dad to check it out

[sand wigeon]

boru's father is interested? well now i HAVE to read it

[lethal bane]

Damn right

[gilded elm]

Oh yeah! That's right, having an open wound in a zero-G environment is... fatal lmao

The level of detail is just amazing throughout.

[ebon meadow]

Friends are more familiar to my mom lol I never went in to serious ,also I m more of a fan of "female" detectives if that's what they called I read a lot of Agatha Christie when I was a kid and it followed with CSI ,Bones ,Mentalist...

[gilded elm]

I really hope Owlcat's Expanse game will be good :P

[sand wigeon]

the telltale one was just okay i heard

[gilded elm]

Action game though, not a CRPG as one might expect from Owlcat.

[sand wigeon]

which sucks cause it follows drummer

who is my second favorite character behind amos

[gilded elm]

I mean Amos is the best, who could say otherwise tbh

[sand wigeon]

his actor did a rly good job making his lines HILARIOUS at times in the tv show

[warped wren]

Bobby

[gilded elm]

Oh damn

[warped wren]

[gilded elm]

I almost forgot about Bobby. She is also amazing

Her actress did great 100%

[warped wren]

Her casting in the show was really good but they just didn't do her arc justice. In the books her arc is stellar.

Limitation of the format so I don't blame them but just saying

[gilded elm]

Damn, that's unfortunate. Maybe I should check out the books because now I can at least put faces to the names and enjoy them more.

[ebon meadow]

I really want to somehow pick up on books from S.T.A.L.K.E.R

[junior oyster]

Did someone say owlcat?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W85oD8FEF78

[ebon meadow]

They have crazy freaking storys

[gilded elm]

I had to look at the date. It basically pre-dates this level of AI so it's good LOL

[junior oyster]

They've done a whole bunch of videos

[gilded elm]

The frame-by-frame editing that must have gone into these kinds of videos must be crazy. Huge respect to this dude lol

It's unfortunate though videos like this posted today would be accused of AI, but that's the world we live in.

[junior oyster]

Yea

[gilded elm]

Fresh out of the oven, this should be a fun distraction lol

[desert jasper]

"deleted by valve"

yeah, valve was a big deal in there. yup

[gilded elm]

I haven't watched it yet, but I assume the thumbnail will be explained and maybe Valve actually delisted the game?

[gilded elm]

By delist I mean made it so you can no longer buy it

[junior oyster]

Game is still listed but you can't buy any more

[gilded elm]

Bellular usually sticks to the facts.

[junior oyster]

I know one guy I would not watch even if he told the truth

Asmon

[desert jasper]

Well considering the servers are shut down for AoC
if valve still allowed selling it on the store?

It would just be a scam

[gilded elm]

Yeah I expect it was in response to the enormous player complaints and refund requests they had been getting.

[maiden widget]

bellular news came off as gamer bro that just hates everything and stokes the flames

couldnt watch him tbh

[warped wren]

Bellular is one of the most reasonable lmao

to the point that he's frequently accused of pandering to devs

[gilded elm]

I was gonna say, yeah Bellular is among the most rational and neutral reporters.

[warped wren]

the others out there are unfathomably worse

[gilded elm]

You might be thinking about someone like Legendary Drops haha

[warped wren]

that guy is just a straight up ragebaiter

[gilded elm]

I agree with a lot of things LD says but yeah he definitely is stoking the flames.

[maiden widget]

yeah i just abandoned em all after TB

they dont offer me anything positive so i wont give them my time

[warped wren]

the summary of every single one of his videos should basically be "YOU ARE NOT OUTRAGED ENOUGH, YOU NEED TO BE EVEN MORE MAD, ALL THE TIME!!!!" with caps and exclamation marks fully intended

[gilded elm]

Right, basically just amplifying the anger that's already there lol

It's like people are right to be angry, but they should be angrier

Bellular isn't really picking sides when he does a video.

[warped wren]

I'm just sick of these rage farmers

all of them

if I want gaming news now, I only watch Bellular or sometimes YongYea though he's kinda boring

[gilded elm]

Bellular does show a bias towards players and a desire for good games of course, and he might criticize devs, but he does a good job actually investigating and rationalizing his viewpoints in a way that comes across as mostly honest journalism.

[junior oyster]

I see them all as the same

[warped wren]

idk how to explain to you the chasm of difference between Bellular and somebody like Legendary Drops or Mugthief without saying "just watch the videos"

can't even read articles about gaming news anymore since the sites are so trash + the writers are unhinged

[gilded elm]

Gaming news websites died a long time ago sadly.

Bellular really is one of the few honest gaming-related news sources these days.

[junior oyster]

Ooof

[warped wren]

I guess you can still watch Paul Tassi, kinda. He just has some truly dogwater takes about many things.

[gilded elm]

I watched the Bellular video before Highguard released, and in hindsight, I actually think Bellular had the most correct take on the game's future.

Highguard may be unpopular, but it's nowhere near as dead or unpopular as everyone claimed it would be. I've seen games make a comeback from even worse launches than that.

Bellular actually presented a rational take that recognized this before the game was released, while everyone else was just saying Dead-on-Arrival lol

[junior oyster]

Ngl I only heard of AoC after its death

Like maybe I heard of it here and there but only now know it existed

[gilded elm]

So apparently Steven Shariff is sticking by his words and says he will be looking to fight against this mystery new owner in court lol

Some unnamed private equity firm acquired Intrepid, supposedly.

They told Steve they wanted to move the game's development overseas and downsize the company from 250 to 100.

Steve (allegedly) said "no, that's unethical" and resigned, then all of the leadership resigned in solidarity

The studio lost all of its creative talent, the game was dead and so was the new owner's plan. At this point, the private equity firm (the new owner) decided to simply fire everyone and liquidate.

Whether any of this is true or not remains to be seen, but supposedly this was corroborated by people in-the-know.

So yeah, Steve had come out with another response recently since everyone was pinning the blame on him and calling it all a scam, saying that he will take the whole thing to court to prove it all.

[warped wren]

and if this happens and if he wins then surely he will refund all the customers who backed his dream with hard cash right

[gilded elm]

Yeah I wonder lol

But if the truth does come out in court and he wasn't responsible for all of this and that he never intended to scam anyone... well there's maybe potential for it to be one of the craziest gaming comebacks ever.

Well, I guess it wouldn't be a comeback

Because the sale of the company presumably wasn't illegal.

So whatever happens, sounds like Steve and his crew will never gets their hands on the game again.

Since they no longer have the rights to that copyright, I mean.

[gilded elm]

Spicy clickbait lmao

Good to see a brand new Luetin video, feels like it's been a long time.

[ebon meadow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BEuWnsFbN8&list=RD3BEuWnsFbN8&start_radio=1 friday late night chill , back to grinding

something diferent for once and something i like to hype to still, friday night

[twilit mountain]

Tassi's Destiny takes are the funniest shit ever because you can tell they all come from the lowest skill. zero effort player possible

[gilded elm]

I might be misremembering, but Tassi is the dude who basically can't play anything without an easy mode, right? lol

And then criticizes games for being too difficult.

[twilit mountain]

Dunno broadly but with Destiny yeah absolutely. Man's criticizes most raids (which are rather easy, the hardest one in the game takes like 70-90 minutes with a team that knows what they're doing, if not less) for being too hard but then when an easy one came out (literally completable in 15-20 minutes) he went the complete opposite direction and whined about it being too "handhold-y" because it only lasted him an hour and a half lol

[desert jasper]

hour and half? pog

[twilit mountain]

He's an absolute shitter in PvP too. Trials is too hawwwd, people shoot him with long wange guns and he can't do aaaaanything to save himself even on the class that instantly refill its full health every 9 seconds, the poor wittle guy :(((

[desert jasper]

kinda reminds me of dsp
was watching him play re4 (the og)
missed flying enemy that dies from 1hit while flying.
goes on rant how it's impossible

and unfair

[warped wren]

Tassi is basically the stereotypical game journo

but at least he's not actively malicious and misrepresentative, unlike Jason Schreier

also, I think I found my newest obsession and you all should DEFINITELY check it out: https://store.steampowered.com/app/2400160/Glyphica_Typing_Survival/

[gilded elm]

Oh yeah, Shreier poorly handled his Larian reporting.

I wonder what else he's written and messed up.

[warped wren]

did you ever read his Veilguard takes

[gilded elm]

No, but I'm assuming he loved the game?

Or maybe he criticized the people criticizing the game? lol

[warped wren]

exhibit A: on launch

[gilded elm]

Oh boy, that aged well lmao

That graph is also unimpressive? lol

[warped wren]

exhibit B: a few months later

he still (deliberately or ignorantly) misses one of the core sticking points almost all players had with the game, but I'll leave that for you to find because discussing that here will probably get me a warning or muted

[gilded elm]

The sticking points are that the game fundamentally didn't feel Dragon Age.

Live service or singleplayer wouldn't have mattered.

[warped wren]

Schreier is just a brown stain on the term "journalism"

ngl I would have welcomed a good multiplayer mode because I didn't get to play Inquisition's multiplayer mode

but just like ME3 was the last Mass Effect game, Inquisition was the last Dragon Age game

[gilded elm]

I'm sure plenty of Dragon Age fans would have welcomed it. If the game wasn't focused on making unrelatable political statements and if it didn't have such a weird art and narrative direction compared to previous titles.

I see Shreier apparently has a habit of deleting tweets that make him look bad.

Anyone tried this out yet? Just saw it in my feed: https://store.steampowered.com/app/3419290/GOD_FORSAKEN/

[vagrant topaz]

Felt very mid

English translation is quite bad

I would recommend Disfigure

Its free, rogue lite

I like the DA

[gilded elm]

Yeah I played Disfigure

[warped wren]

you guys should really check this out

they have a free demo on their website

insane fun

typing test meets tower defense lol

[gilded elm]

I've seen in a few times, I remember being interested but turned off because of the brightness. But I do see they have a dark mode, wonder if that's always been there.

For like $3 why not, I'll buy it lol

$6, I mean :P

[warped wren]

the dark mode is very soothing

they have 2 in fact

dark and midnight

[gilded elm]

I honestly feel like they should market around the dark mode lmao

But maybe that's just me

Because that was what mainly turned me off from it, because I didn't know it had it

It's in my library now, I'll have to give it a shot when I'm feeling up for it. Started a Titanfall 2 playthrough last night, been in my backlog for nearly a decade... wonder if I'll finish this one lol

lol

[twilit mountain]

Dropped another 600FE compass raaaaaaah

[gilded elm]

Homes for everyone?

[twilit mountain]

Hey can someone tell me the odds of missing an 8.57% chance 42 times in a row?

[solemn harness]

2.321% or 1 in 43

[twilit mountain]

Suffering. Thank you.

[fierce moth]

Still can sleep 4h only

[twilit mountain]

Got it on try 46

[twilit mountain]

This loot strat is so stupidly easy lmao

[gilded elm]

That's a lot of people they got up in here :monkaS:

[fierce moth]

Oh. New 3a game here.

[gilded elm]

I will probably play it.

[fierce moth]

135GB...

[gilded elm]

That's not that bad for a massive open world single player game with high resolution assets.

My BG3 install is 148gb

[fierce moth]

Serious test for internet speed...

[gilded elm]

It's not a Souls-like, but it's still supposed to be a challenging action game. You might not like it any way.

[fierce moth]

lol you even can find hidden treasures with treasure maps...

🤔 That's the part of sea of thieves which I never good at that

[gilded elm]

I wonder how that happened

[fierce moth]

yes I don't find any in-game caster characters

But I like the explore world part in crismon desert so much... Wow that's various

[gilded elm]

Yeah, it's supposed to have a lot of exploration and puzzle solving.

[fierce moth]

It mean all of what I want to do in chrono odyssey can be come true in ths game, interesting

[gilded elm]

You could also play games like Skyrim or Witcher 3 for much cheaper too, those are the games Crimson Desert is being compared to.

[fierce moth]

I don't know how to survive lol

🤔 I wish the open world game have main quests/side quests to tell me what can I do because I will lost if you tell me nothing

🥱 Go back to get more sleep

[sand wigeon]

open world games literally have this?

that’s like? half the point of open world games?

anyway it sounds like you’re looking for walking simulators / exploration games, not open-world action

[gilded elm]

Oh yeah that's a good callout tbh, there are specifically atmospheric, exploration-based walking simulators

Some of them looked pretty interesting too if I remember.

I think there was Talos Principle series which is more puzzle based

[sand wigeon]

in which case here’s a list of games i recommend:
Sable
Journey
Firewatch
Everybody’s Gone to the Rapture
What Remains of Edith Finch (one of my favorite games of all time)

[twilit mountain]

Talos Principle iirc is considered one of the best puzzle games of all time

[sand wigeon]

that’s true

it’s also somewhat difficult though, worth keeping in mind

[twilit mountain]

Sable my beloved.

[sand wigeon]

i think that despite its flaws, What Remains of Edith Finch should be among a required piece of literature for people

it is a great expose on the history of familiar routine and culture and how it not only damages families, but can even outright kill them

that game, among few others, fundamentally changed how i view the world

[gilded elm]

I think Crimson Desert might be a good game, but definitely leaning into the combat a lot more than the exploration or puzzles, because that's what the dev is best known for. So yeah, honestly there are probably a lot of better choices already on the market if you just want to explore a vast medieval open world lol

Well, best known for... outside of their predatory monetization of BDO, perhaps.

[twilit mountain]

I could never understand why people liked BDO. I watched many streams and it's always just people autorunning a literal circle in an area and macroing a skillchain to kill mobs hunting for a single item or mats to make their item go from like +62 to +63

[sand wigeon]

other games among that list: Disco Elysium, Roadwarden, Citizen Sleeper, Endling: Extinction is Forever, Pyre, the Plague Tale series, No Case Should Remain Unsolved and Not For Broadcast

[gilded elm]

I think it lives on a thread, well... two threads: 1. Combat and 2. Gooner Bait

[sand wigeon]

this isn’t in any particular order and some of these only changed how i view specific things, like personhood, interactions with people or media etc

[sudden anchor]

Never realised games have that much power over people. Interesting

[twilit mountain]

Games are an incredible delivery system for many types of messaging, and one of the only interactive art forms that engages nearly every moment of your focus on it.

[sand wigeon]

games are worth no less than any book, song or movie

[gilded elm]

More surprising that you didn't realize. Not just video games, any form of art. Why do you think artists are among the most exploited office workers? They get into their careers out of passion, which is not that common among people in general.

[sand wigeon]

Disco Elysium changed my views on existing as people and what it means to have an identity

Roadwarden changed my views on what it’s like to live as a community, and what can be done to lessen your impact on the place you live, to cherish it instead of ignore it

Endling: Extinction is Forever changed my views on hunting, and only made my fervor for sustainable hunting stronger

Citizen Sleeper changed my views on what it means to even be human, and how you should consider that in comparison to whatever reality you exist in

Pyre changed my views on found family, including helping me realize that you can value people so strongly despite barely knowing them, and allowed me to feel more comfortable sharing less of myself

Plague Tale changed my views on a very specific family dynamic, specifically siblings, and is one of the reasons I still wish I had siblings

No Case Should Remain Unsolved changed my views on perspective, and how many different people can play into one biased narrative

Not For Broadcast changed my views on media and forced me to think about the people behind the camera more, not the one it’s focusing on

to summarize them all as simply as possible

oh and what remains of edith finch

throw that in there

that game helped me realize a lot of the issues my own family retains

[gilded elm]

Art has a profound impact on people, it shapes personal and professional choices. It would be more believable for me to assume you simply didn't consider video games a form of art haha

[sand wigeon]

the ones that were the most impactful to me in general though are disco elysium, citizen sleeper and what remains of edith finch. roadwarden was extremely impactful on my writing though, it was the very thing that made me pick writing up again

just not as impactful on me as a person and my beliefs

[gilded elm]

I feel games and anime have had an almost parental effect on my childhood as it served as the foundation for how I view the world and how I present myself to the world, inspiring the kind of person I want to be.

[sudden anchor]

Yea, not that I wasn't considering them art. I never considered them changing my views, it just happened I guess. Or maybe not (for the better) from just playing league and wow.
Well, thinking about it, it probably changed me, just for the insane amount of hours I put in and was missing out on real stuff.
Makes me think tho, games are a tool used to direct population? How much of it is free market and what is pushed propaganda?

[gilded elm]

Not solely, but yeah a big part.

[sand wigeon]

well call of duty is propoganda

indie games, which i mostly play, often aren’t

in fact i don’t play really any games at all that are “propaganda”

most games i play are made my people with individual beliefs or are set out to make a specific story

[twilit mountain]

Frankly, I don't believe games are used to direct anyone for the vast majority of them. The majority of games are made out of passion and love for their project/art.

[sand wigeon]

yeah

games aren’t conglomerated

that’s one of the big things about them

art in general really isn’t.

[gilded elm]

I don't go looking for games that are overtly trying to push an agenda, but honestly I just try to be practical... if game is/was fun, it was worth the money.

[sand wigeon]

it’s why art has always been suppressed, sometimes violently, by regimes attempting to take control

look at china, soviet russia or many other such examples

[sand wigeon]

then you’re missing out on some of the best games

[gilded elm]

I don't go looking for games specifically based on that criteria, I mean.

If it somehow lands in my feed, I try to judge it on its merits of the game and how it resonates with me as a player.

[sand wigeon]

citizen sleeper, disco elysium, soma, not tonight, papers please, heaven will be mine, ken follet’s pillars of the earth, endling, all these games push an agenda

i could list maaany more

at the end of the day art is inherently about agenda, and any message within art pushes that agenda

[gilded elm]

Yeah, agenda just isn't my criteria, that's all

[sand wigeon]

i could even point out agenda’s in my own writing that i never intentionally put there

[gilded elm]

I play Disco because it's a damn good CRPG regardless of agenda, it's still a damn good game

Maybe that's because the agenda partially resonates

[sand wigeon]

what is disco elysium’s agenda in your eyes

i’m very curious

[gilded elm]

Basically communism lol

[sand wigeon]

oh so you didn’t understand the game

got it

wanna try again?

[gilded elm]

Not really. I'm not calling it propaganda, but if we're looking at the game as socioeconomic commentary, I think it favors communism.

[twilit mountain]

My best understanding of DE's messaging is that maintaining the status quo and effectivity of centrism (in the game's terms "moralism") results in a slow crawl towards the decline of societal and individual identity, that consistently trying to opt for a gradual and "stable" change in the function of the world you live in is unsustainable and ripe for corruption and destruction from within.

[sand wigeon]

i’m going to be so real.

like so genuinely real and this is going to sound absurd when i say.

disco elysium is not about politics.

like not really. the politics is more a side thing. it’s there. you can ignore it. it’s not what the game is ABOUT.

[twilit mountain]

I would argue it is within the world and setting, not within the characters, they're two different stories happening in tandem.

[sand wigeon]

disco elysium is about finding hope in community in each other, regardless of your differences, when the world is bad and when things don’t seem like they’ll ever get better.

fascism isn’t real. you are not an icebreaker. centrism is false. it’s just a lack of hope. communism can never be built. it’s not anything worth building anyway. etc

what everything in the game builds up to, everything, every single line of dialogue and message?

[gilded elm]

However, besides Harry's story, the game goes into painstaking narrative detail about the politics of the world.

It wants readers to know it.

And reflect on that, treat it as commentary.

[sand wigeon]

that something beautiful is going to happen. some miracle. and until then, people will watch each other walk on the street, and laugh in the quiet hours. they’ll go to work. they’ll do their job. they’ll listen to music, they’ll dance, they’ll do what they have to. but everyone is waiting for that beautiful thing.

[gilded elm]

Political commentary.

[sand wigeon]

and the game ends. when that beautiful, glorious thing happens. because that’s the crux of the story.

it doesn’t really matter what the other person believes. or why they believe it. because you walk the same roads, and the reason your beliefs can be wrong is if you hurt people on that road.

THAT is the crux of disco elysium’s messaging

it even says such in the game: politics are a side-thing. a distraction from your main goal. it’s there to make you spend more time but it’s not necessary to go in.

[gilded elm]

I don't think it's propaganda, I just still think it's making pretty direct political commentary.

In a way that conveys that "it matters"

Still, I love the game.

And I'm not a communist, so yeah

[sand wigeon]

it matters because we’re all walking that same road, waiting for that same miracle, even if there’s little hope in the end. we should be giving each other hope, not tearing it down, and that’s what it’s political messaging comes down to

that’s frankly the extent the of it

the runaway wanted girl who watched a man die? she’s just waiting for the miracle. she still has hope, even if she knows she’ll be caught. the lorry driver whose spent his life behind a steering wheel, seen thousands of scenes go by? he’s just standing. waiting. the silent woman who’s lost her sense of self? even she sits and waits, despite having seen the other side. the teenager with passion? he plays songs just under the End. because he’s not scared of what’s coming, he’s waiting just like everyone else. and so on and on

the absolute crux of the game is the message “something beautiful is going to happen”

not communism vs fascism or whatever

like yes disco elysium has stuff to say on politics but it’s very frustrating when people go “oh it’s the MAIN THING” when it’s just not

[sand wigeon]

what are you again

[gilded elm]

Probably the closest thing would be socdem

(Not to be confused with demsoc)

[sand wigeon]

dios mio, a liberal

[gilded elm]

Some in the US might even call me radical, though I don't think having good social safety nets and welfare should be such a crazy idea lol

[sand wigeon]

actually we lynch you for believing that

[gilded elm]

D:

[sand wigeon]

yeah sry i don’t make the rules

i’m just a wage slave

https://youtu.be/16HRYdh6vUw?si=VBnmmtBDO---A9ZV

[twilit mountain]

Yeah pretty much what happens in the south at least. Social outcast for thinking maybe, just maybe people should have places to live (that aren't a prison) even in the worst situations they've ever been in.

[sand wigeon]

i recommend this song btw

[sand wigeon]

i’m being so fr. to anyone who isn’t American. believe me when i say the usa is genuinely starting to look like victorian england

[twilit mountain]

Narcissist Cookbook tangentially mentioned. Lock in.

[sand wigeon]

what did he do for the song actually?

[gilded elm]

As someone who actually likes to play Devil's Advocate, should I feel like this song is attacking me? :sus: lol

[sand wigeon]

instruments?

[sand wigeon]

yes

[gilded elm]

I like debate, sue me.

[sand wigeon]

devil’s advocate isn’t debate

there is no need to justify unjustifiable beliefs

and the trap is believing you are smarter, or more critical for believing devil’s advocate is necessary

when there are some beliefs that do not need to be considered

[twilit mountain]

Music and vocals, the vocals are shared.

[sand wigeon]

https://youtu.be/M0tBgQxur3g?si=JrRL9IDPAr3Wt49K

this is another example of that message that i recommend

[sand wigeon]

ah okay

[twilit mountain]

Also I believe they have dropped the he as of a couple years ago? Not 100% certain but all interviews they've been in have used exclusively they/them since '23 so

[sand wigeon]

oh mb

[twilit mountain]

Hi this is probably my favorite artist. Their work has helped me with a lot of introspection and personal growth.

[sand wigeon]

as narcissist cookbook discusses in other songs, “i did not realize that in trying to argue against things such as violent protests or stating that peaceful protests are the only moral option, i was defending the very system that i thought i was against. in my beliefs i had become a dedicated defender of this corrupt system because i did not realize that someone who looks like me inherently benefitted from that privilege, and i had let myself fall into that easy comfort.”

[sand wigeon]

same here

[twilit mountain]

I will not be linking that song, it is probably crossing the line for this server

[sand wigeon]

probably, it very directly discusses political happenings

[gilded elm]

Politics and music? A pretty iconic duo. System of a Down is one of my all-time favorite bands.

Tool as well.

[sand wigeon]

then go watch The Absolute State of the Union by The Narcissist Cookbook

[twilit mountain]

(similarly, Cognative Dissonance Blues is also very good, addresses a different subject and situation though)

[sand wigeon]

that’s the second song i linked

[twilit mountain]

Oh didja, mb

[gilded elm]

Yeah, very provocative but can't say I'm shocked or anything. I believed a lot of these things more strongly (I still believe it, just without the destructive component lol) and I even understand people who think I'm naive for that belief.

[sand wigeon]

here's my take

i was raised by a woman who suffered under a lack of privilege and a lack of experience

i was raised by a father who benefitted from that privilege and dug deeply into the philosophical and magickal workings of the world in an attempt to understand that privilege

believing peace as the ultimate right is the first step to understanding how wrong that belief is.

as narcissist cookbook puts it, it's "undergraduate, entry-level bullshit."

it is your first, introductory step into realizing how wrong you are

there is no such thing as peace applicable to every situation, nor a euclidian worldview that is forever consistent, and there should not be such a thing.

[gilded elm]

I can say with some confidence that I noticed my beliefs recalibrate with every increase in privilege throughout my life. I'm definitely not blind to this, and it's fair to say that is maybe a form of cowardice.

[sand wigeon]

because you've realized in some part that it is likely the violence may be toward you

because you have moved on from being a target

[gilded elm]

Yeah, could be. I don't want to put myself on the line for my beliefs. It scares me because I have more to lose, you're right.

Or what people perceive as losing any way, which could either be losing my freedom, losing my livelihood, or something of that nature.

[sand wigeon]

tbf haven’t you always been inherently privileged

[gilded elm]

I consider myself to have been privileged compared to a lot of people, but no, I grew up in poverty.

[sand wigeon]

okay mb

i think i confused two memories

[gilded elm]

I understand the plight because I was there.

And yeah I feel like I have betrayed my beliefs to an extent.

Out of fear, cowardice, whatever

[twilit mountain]

I am what many would consider an extremist. I believe, very adamantly, that the world we live in is flawed and hateful. I believe that cohabitation and subsequently social existence at large hinges on the understanding that impeding another's ability to live in a comfortable state that is attainable and suited to their needs as an individual is inherently wrong. In doing so, I think that you willingly open yourself to direct and often violent actions to pry that life back with every bit of strength that can be mustered.
I believe that those who have been impoverished, disenfranchised, or gods forbid directly harmed by the system that is upheld through a myriad of conscious and subconscious actions are morally justified to fight back with whatever means possible, whether that be destruction of public or private property or something worse.
Maintaining the systems that puts others down, or in recent times attempts to pull rights or safeties away from those whom are already struggling is a direct stance against those affected.

Rambling a little so I'm going to cut myself off, essentially I believe that violent revolution is a necessity for progress and complacently sitting within the idea of "peace" or "amicable cooperation" is a position that is morally flawed and serves to do nothing but make those in power more powerful, because they will not pass it on nor relinquish even the slightest grasp on it willingly.

[sand wigeon]

you've spammed about dnd so much my discord has labelled you a likely spammer

what

[gilded elm]

I can definitely relate to that, that's basically past me. I'm 39 years old now. I moved to the US when I was 20, grew up in extreme poverty for the first 20 years of my life and for a few years on and off in the US. As my career saw more success, so did my privilege and slowly I became more cynical (after Bernie lost, I lost what little faith I had in social change) and I also became more apathetic... I even stopped voting, heh.

[sand wigeon]

literally nobody cares

[gilded elm]

And I can't even blame people for feeling this way tbh.

[fierce moth]

Endling: Extinction is Forever...Oh you remind me of I don't play it yet once I purchased 😅

An adventure game as equal as a copy of last epoch on price

lol I purchased that before I knew le

The talos principle 2 is the best open world puzzle game indeed. I featured that on my steam profile. I liked that pretty much though puzzles at the end is too hard for me (Bonus levels)

[twilit mountain]

Oh a Cocoon enjoyer.

Cool

[fierce moth]

I took quite much screenshots while I playing talos principle 2 for the first time

Cocoon is top 1 on puzzle design (plus I'm a fan of recursive puzzles) because all puzzles I can solved by myself

A few levels that are always overwhelmingly hard are common in puzzle games, so that players like me can even solve all puzzles without looking playthrough is pretty amazing

[gilded elm]

I quit this job! :peepoLeave:

[abstract karma]

hmm even poe is lately changing topics

[warped wren]

<@&1161418687471956101> if you check this user's message history, I am fairly sure this qualifies as spam

Even if it's not bot spam

[twilit mountain]

They've already been warned about it

[gilded elm]

lol these guys are cool, I always try to avoid shooting them

[twilit mountain]

Pathfinder Apex

[gilded elm]

I know nothing about Apex, but yeah that's cool, so they turned this design in to an Apex character?

[twilit mountain]

Yeah, he's pretty funny. Makes ziplines. Has silly voicelines.

[gilded elm]

Oh wow, Apex is part of the Titanfall universe. I had no idea... I knew Respawn made both games, didn't know it was part of the same universe.

[twilit mountain]

Jack is actually invited to the Apex games in the end of TF2 (you only realize this if you know lore frmo both games)

[gilded elm]

My god I feel like an idiot, Jack is also voiced by Matthew Mercer

How did I not notice lol

[twilit mountain]

It's Mercer, you never notice until you see his name on it xdd

[gilded elm]

Yeah, he's just great. Reminds me, I gotta watch The Mighty Nein at some point.

[gilded elm]

Nooo, just finished the campaign. Me sad

[twilit mountain]

BT will be back in TF3. Morse code confirms it. COPIUM

[gilded elm]

He better wtf

[twilit mountain]

Trust, final season of Apex will bring in Jack and he can just call in BT because balance doesn't matter anymore COPIUM

[gilded elm]

If Apex has to die so BT can live, I can accept that.

[twilit mountain]

FWIW at minimum a part of him is still alive in Jack's helmet (if not just the full AI and none of the extra bits needed to, y'know, function as a titan) due to him sending a message in Morse code through the visor (not to mention the "uploading" that occurs just before the throw)

[fierce moth]

Oh they update the website from bamboohr to greenhouse. For the update, EHG add 2 verifications and a new introduction from Krafton.

Dark mode
Day mode from past website isn't eye-friendly indeed

US update the national law recently? Hire at least 7% of disable workers at least is very interesting

Oh one year's thing already.

Ask which race are you is interesting too lol... It will never happen in China

[desert jasper]

oh that's not good at all

[ebon meadow]

Yea that is a very picky topic holy

[silent steeple]

I maybe out of line here to say this but if any person in their 30s approaches any person in their teens with any sort of romantic relation in mind, they should be reported to authorities. Maybe just me but i'd definitely not ignore that

[ebon meadow]

There is different cultures that is very hard to understand for everyone today ,but yea

[fierce moth]

🤔 16... I liked a boy in this age too but I didn't have the luck to get a boyfriend

[ebon meadow]

At 16 I was already spending my summer along with friends rather in my own house because family left for holiday or at my friend's house every holiday

Did not date a 30+ year women though or even consider it

[silent steeple]

Oh I get this part. But still. I mentioned this here earlier but anything like this that involves minors is something im really uncomfortable with

[ebon meadow]

Uncorftable is a mild word yea,I have family friends in prison for chasing predators ,harshly said

Probably need to change a topic at this point lul,how's everyone weekend?

[fierce moth]

Hungry... Let me grab some snack

[ebon meadow]

What's the he gains and games I need to check without spending 60€ xdd

[silent steeple]

Waiting for mates to get on so can play some co-op games

[ebon meadow]

I had to stop waiters bringing snacks me and my friend have a hangover and our stomach can't keep up with food today

[ebon meadow]

Nice 👍

Touching grass with friends for me untill PoE BPL for me few drinks few snacks to go against winter time

[ebon meadow]

Spanish original tapas are just so much for normal people

But it has this feeling I can't stop won't stop

[silent steeple]

Speaking of, any idea when that game has its official release? I thought it was supposed to release back in 2025

[ebon meadow]

LE ?

It's done

Pretty sure it is

[desert jasper]

PoE2 probably late this year

Though i doubt it

[silent steeple]

PoE

[ebon meadow]

Ohh lol I tot it's like 4 years still

[silent steeple]

Mb I didn't mention the 2

[ebon meadow]

Polishing wise oh well good luck .game wise ,it was something u can play since the public release

The meta shift will always be there as much as meta builds

They ain't changing that

[desert jasper]

Still lacking a lot of content in poe2
weapons, classes
2 acts
the "end game rework" that was already supposed to come out but I wouldn't be surprised if they pushed it back because certain J person doesn't care for end game because he doesn't play any

[ebon meadow]

Comparison wise they lacking 11 years of league and events to be even a comparable game to the first one

Does feel nice to play on fresh start same as LE

[fierce moth]

I guess I can try to draw a reaper like Nifty for fun tonight

Paint my glacier all the time is a bit boring

[ebon meadow]

If u drawing a reaper I want to see

Mythology wise thats my favourite character

My old clan/family name here the IDD stands for immortal death dealer

I am the parca

[fierce moth]

I just copy this reference to test how to use brushes on photoshop to do some sketch

I captured that from here

(I'm laughed by my copyed work already)

[ebon meadow]

The last image I m in between those people hair and beaded wise lmao

[fierce moth]

My Jesus... The scale of the head and hood is quite hard

Childish sketch I'm cooking

[ebon meadow]

HB2 pencil draw us all I see

[candid sage]

any winter olympic games enjoyers?

[ebon meadow]

I was enjoying ice skating yesterday lul

Don't even look at snowboard lol

That would be the sport I enjoy

[candid sage]

i always tune into the curling competitions.

[ebon meadow]

[desert jasper]

I miss snowboarding

[fierce moth]

First step contrast

It's a female reaper obviously, yes (

[junior oyster]

Female reaper you say 👀

[ebon meadow]

dont ball lul , i m slresdy nostalgic

[fierce moth]

Just checked the price of a rtx 5070 laptop, I can select one in taking a trip or update my laptop only

It's more expensive than current laptop I'm using definitely

[ebon meadow]

Alienware . goodluck

[desert jasper]

expensive, not expansive

[fierce moth]

I can afford ASUS only

[ebon meadow]

so the difence is i can play PoE on a plane and i can launch an .exe

[jade jackal]

Anyone here in the Dark Haven demo?

[ebon meadow]

first time i see a person with same tone of blue

[warped wren]

Yeah that's not boyfriend, that's predator

Sorry to hear that

[fierce moth]

35 years old, find a 16 years old girl? Quite suspicious yes

[silent steeple]

I am not having a good day today

[sand wigeon]

post your build and gear i wanna see

[silent steeple]

Aight

1 min

My current faith build for ng+5

I do have another generic str char and a dex char

Dont bother with them as I already hit ng+7 on those

[sand wigeon]

why don’t you have rings equipped

what are you doing

[silent steeple]

Omw to rosaria