📚┃off-topic

[fierce moth]

...Don't believe I can watch a whole US tv series one day. The story is quite attracting

[gilded elm]

House of Cards kinda lost popularity after season 2, and pretty much nobody liked season 5 or 6

You're making me remember all the bad writing in that show, such a bad show around the time the Kevin Spacey scandal was happening because tons of stuff had to be rewritten lol

[fierce moth]

why are they dislike s5 and s6?

[gilded elm]

Bad writing, a lot of it had to be rewritten on short notice because of the Kevin Spacey scandal

But the show was already losing a lot of popularity before S5/S6

[fierce moth]

such a pity... I understand why Underwood is died so suddenly without any lens now

[gilded elm]

Yes, he's blacklisted from Hollywood. Nobody will hire or work with him anymore.

[fierce moth]

...It's a shame of this good ip have to be stopped infinitely

[twilit mountain]

My favorite part of that is when they completely desync my character by simply twirling a little bit and suddenly I'm teleported two screens away and apparently dying to something that isn't even there

[gilded elm]

He was acquitted (ruled not guilty by a jury of his peers) so who knows, he might come back.

So technically that scandal is still just "allegations" and nothing more. Kind of crazy how big of a hit he took to his career and he wasn't even convicted, took a long time to resolve.

[fierce moth]

https://eleventhhourgames.bamboohr.com/careers/129
It's my dream job...Hate myself can do nothing.
😔

[fierce moth]

I wonder what HR want to get by this question in essence

What should I share to get more possibilities, Jesus

[gilded elm]

That goes both ways. Sometimes you can share too much and scare away HR :)

[fierce moth]

Is it mean how much money I want?

[gilded elm]

Yes

You can usually use https://www.levels.fyi/ to get the current market rates

[fierce moth]

the funny thing is this web don't include any artist roles from game industry

[gilded elm]

Hm, maybe. It has a lot of industries but there might be more of a software engineering focused but also has more common things like managers / HR

This must be heaven

[fierce moth]

let's see how EHG's HR respond my application this time

0.1% chance to be success so I looking forward to how HR reject bunch of candidates includes me

I should take a nap with yarn.

[fierce moth]

...My Jesus. Just get up

Slept 2.5h-3h

...Alright. Just know a new term, cover letter

Yes as expected. I can't write one... So I can screw up my application only

...Always thought that's a type of...letter of recommendation

[fierce moth]

🤔 I guess many relationships are between new deco and maximalism?

[jovial bane]

tbh it's the first time I've heard of cover letter

pretty much never seen an offer that required letter of recommendation either, and I did file a loooot of applications before I've landed on mine current job 🫠

maybe it's more of a US/western thing ?

[gilded elm]

A cover letter specifically tailored for the company you are applying to helps you stand out in saturated job markets, like tech.

[jovial bane]

hmm

[gilded elm]

No idea outside the US, but cover letters are common in the US.

You really gotta sell yourself if you wanna stand out in a crowded field. A cover letter gives you an opportunity to articulate your potential value to the company outside the normally expected stuff like experience, education etc.

[jovial bane]

that makes sense, but still weird that I've never ran into them

[fierce moth]

I think too many texts HR will get from cover letters so...
It's my cover letter.

https://tenor.com/view/shrug-gif-25269231

I'm not sure why artist-based titles needs cover letter too... Isn't the portfolio said everything?

If artists good at selling themselves by texts, why they doesn't go to work as a writer 😅

What's artist? People whose are good at expressing themselves by pictures they created.

[gilded elm]

Wrong mindset. You don't need to, but the person who does write a cover letter is demonstrating more effort and hiring managers usually appreciate that.

[fierce moth]

What HR appreciated... 😂

Pictures are much more simple than text to read 🤔

Oh... Maybe... Yes. I see...

People whose good at HR relevant works must be test-drive type.

[junior oyster]

Yea they are a standard in the UK too

[fierce moth]

.

[vagrant topaz]

Cover letters are pretty standard here in france too

[jade jackal]

yeah cover letters are common everywhere pretty much

[jovial bane]

huh, interesting

[fierce moth]

huh, interesting +1

[jovial bane]

now I wonder whether I've seen them, but just forgot lol

[fierce moth]

@covert summit Do cover letter is standard in Canadian job market?

[junior oyster]

That was fast

[jovial bane]

a wild bot appeared ?

[real kayak]

just put a huge picture of your face. guaranteed hire.

[fierce moth]

I only show my face on linkedin and that was the photo in 2016

[real kayak]

use a baby photo

[jade jackal]

Using a 10 year old photo works for people in their 40's who wanna be remembered young lol

[real kayak]

that's because we are wrinkled and ugly now

it's for the best

[fierce moth]

lol

😂 😂 😂 I dislike my face in any age...

It's why I prefer to use my logo

Zero relationship with "beautiful girl" I have, no idea how to accept my appearance yet. It's the main reason I dislike characters.

Oh...Maybe I can paint myself as my profile on linkedin one day

...But learn how to print environment at first

[junior oyster]

I haven't posted a picture of myself since maybe in the early days of Facebook 🤮

My WhatsApp profile is a picture of my old cat. Rip Felix

Same

My wife on the other hand...

[jovial bane]

yk considering you basically are applying as artist it's a good idea

[covert summit]

I havent written a cover letter in ages, idk. I'd say probably yes but not mandatory. These days a lot of people just get AI to write it anyway.

Id probably read one if I was already interested in interviewing a candidate but not reading through hundreds of them to decide who to interview.

[junior oyster]

I hate the idea of cover letters

[jovial bane]

as in too long or too short ?

[covert summit]

Yeah thats way too long

[junior oyster]

They do the same with CVs

If it's longer than a page usually they just throw it away

[covert summit]

Idk sometimes for higher level roles 2 pages is fine, I dont think a junior needs 2 pages

Also generally fewer applicants for higher level positions, and often they would be head hunted anyway so its kinda fine.

[junior oyster]

Yea no I meant for starter jobs

Or lower roles as you said

[obtuse rune]

These are great

[fierce moth]

What about mine?

[obtuse rune]

Very nice.

[junior oyster]

Is that a tombstone or a massive uhh door thing?

[obtuse rune]

This made me think of a place in OG FF7 lol

[fierce moth]

🤔 trying to copy that

[junior oyster]

Ah neither lol

I want this so bad lol
https://contentiongames.myshopify.com/products/slay-the-spire-the-board-game-collectors-edition

[fierce moth]

painting textures on the wall step by step is wonderful

remind me of happy time while I paint that before

I feel every textures are a kind of waves lol

[obtuse rune]

Oh I wish you the best of luck. I think you got this

Feel the waves

[jovial bane]

https://youtu.be/qzi-npyBecM?si=KBB221OFcTQptIK-

oh dear lord it came out, and the review will definitely make me want to play it

Pathologic 2 was an amazing experience, 0/10 would like to suffer afain :d

[junior oyster]

Seems ok I guess

[fierce moth]

New season?

[desert jasper]

Yes, torchlight infinite does have a new season

think it's just reveal right now

I don't play it

[fierce moth]

you're good. I never play that

[desert jasper]

I did play torchlight 1 & 2
didn't care for 3

[fierce moth]

Copy reviews from here for le, the graphic is quite cartoonic

[desert jasper]

But the characters don't look like plastic & shiny

So while yes, they look cartoony
It's not a bad thing necessarily

It's just a different style

[twilit mountain]

Ding! ^
I'm fine with TLI's artstyle and cosmetics because they are a consistent quality and don't have texturing that wildly clashes with the tone or stylization.

[fierce moth]

hhhh poe 2 and d4 are games which we can agree on the same opinion

[abstract karma]

again just say you miss so much games because you are focused too much on graphic appeal

[desert jasper]

Tbh I've been meaning to try out TLI
But i'm just... bad at trying out new things
currently I'm downloading one of the 2 games that I actually ever speedran
Crypt of the NecroDancer
rhytm based goodness

[twilit mountain]

Necrodancer my beloathed (incredible game, I'm horrible at it)

I have like 700 hours in TLI. Fun game.

[desert jasper]

A friend of mine was the 2nd ever to beat Aria back in the day
... by like 20-30seconds

[twilit mountain]

Did they go on to be a psychopath and 100% the game including the shitass "beat the game with every single character using no pick-ups in a row" or nah?

[desert jasper]

oh no

dear god no

[twilit mountain]

I've yet to meet someone who has. I want to so I can see just how cooked they really are.

[desert jasper]

I'm not sure if he ever even did the dlc 🤔
he started getting really big issues with his hands at some point so he basically didn't play anything intensive for several years
and at some point used eye tracking & speech recognition to play something like slay the spire

You know, the usual

[twilit mountain]

Ah damn that's rough. I've hopefully got a few decades before I'm there. Or worst case maybe like. 10-15 years before I end up like my father and have carpal tunnel so bad I physically can't use a keyboard or controller for more than 30 minutes.

[desert jasper]

Yeah, let's hope it doesn't get there
Remember to take breaks while playing and do some hand stretches

It might help, might not

[jovial bane]

I have the opposite problem, I try out too many games without sticking to a single one

[desert jasper]

Holy... I'm so rusty in NecroDancer

[fierce moth]

well I think no chance for me to join in the game club here in 2 years. I missed too much. They're overwhelming on amounts, prices and gameplay. Never touch various games when I'm a child is a great block because it mean I don't have enough passion on gaming.

[abstract karma]

dang here plays veterans which by standards of social life shouldnt even touch PC except work and you think its too late for you ?

[desert jasper]

Some of my old coworkers typed with 2 fingers and took ages to find anything on the pc

It hurt to watch them

[junior oyster]

Honestly I might be in the minority but graphics-wise D4 looks sick

TLI on the other hand I can't come to like no matter what

But that's been my issue even with TL2

[junior oyster]

As a kid I played a handful of games on the snes emulator and some pc games

Probably 10 snes games and 10 pc games

As for pc and not in chronological nor favourite order: Total annihilation, age of empires, red alert 2, diablo 2, roller coaster tycoon 2, urban chaos and a few I may have forgotten because it's been so long

I don't think you miss out on any 'game clubs' Kirra

Also I'm not sure if you have gamepass in China but if you do that's a great way to try out many games for almost free

[abstract karma]

gamepasses is idea what gives Nvidia and other HW corporates leverages to push us to subcrition cloud systems and gaming >.>

[fierce moth]

and push me to buy a xbox controller

[abstract karma]

from first "free games" packages and now where we are

In Era of Cyberpunk - you own nothing and you will be happy

[junior oyster]

I mean between a ps and xbox controller I prefer xbox but to each their own :)

[fierce moth]

I don't mind xbox controller. Saving money to buy one later

[junior oyster]

Either way with the gamepass you can play many games with kbm too

[abstract karma]

it wont be enough with HW prices rising due to various corporates shift

[sand wigeon]

we’re not in a cyberpunk era

there’s no punk to be had lol

[abstract karma]

welp fiction vs hard reality.. - classic but you get idea 😄

[mental talon]

The PS5 controller is legitimately very good IMO. I've kinda disliked every Sony controller since like Dualshock 2/PS2 days but this one is genuinely pretty nice.

[junior oyster]

I guess it's a matter of experience

I'm not a fan of it but then again I have not used the ps5 controller much at all

I played a few times at my friends house

Ultimately though neither matter because I prefer the steamdeck more

[junior oyster]

Lol I remember that

Was so fun

Playing wwf and my controller feeling like it's going to jump out of my hand

[mental talon]

My Steamdeck entered the retirement home after I picked up the Switch 2, it served me well on traveling/trips.

[junior oyster]

I mainly played sd while I was at work on breaks

Great for vampire survivors but I can't justify buying switch 2 even if the controllers may be better

There aren't any switch exclusives I care about

[mental talon]

Yeah Steamdeck was the first handheld I've owned since the 3DS which I picked up when I was back in the military and I definitely enjoyed the shit out of it, just now Switch 2 is like I have 10-12 years of Nintendo games I've never played to catch up on.

[junior oyster]

Fair

You sold your sd? Or just in storage?

[mental talon]

I'm waiting to go back home to Jamaica to visit family and give some younger family mmeber tbh

[junior oyster]

Ah storage then

[mental talon]

Yeah

Pretty much (Storage is sitting in a traveling case)

[junior oyster]

Tbqh I did install some nintendo games on my sd (rip yuzu) but yea there are so many better games for me that aren't just exclusive to the nintendo ecosystem

[fierce moth]

Ritualist's performance in prison is 10/10, compare with lich 1/10.

Love that with I don't inflict with slow from waves + solid aoe ability in small rooms

[sudden anchor]

Why steamdeck over better handhelds?

[mental talon]

Because I didnt plan on using it enough to warrant paying a premium.

[warped wren]

This has absolutely nothing to do with the ascendancies and everything to do with the skills you're using

Nobody's forcing you to only play chaos spells on Lich or use 50 different spear skills on Ritualist

[junior oyster]

Better handhelds now for sure but back when sd released it was probably the only 'best' handheld pc on the market

Not sure when he bought sd but for me it was an immediate purchase (though I had to wait roughly 6months)

[junior oyster]

It's ok kirra will get to later stages and start cursing her current build lol

[mental talon]

Because I wasnt going to spend 800+ dollars on something that wasn't going to be the primary thing I used and only used for traveling/trips/at home in bed ever so often.

Could I afford something better? Absolutely. Was I going to buy something better when it already fit everything I wanted in a handheld. Hell nah.

[junior oyster]

I had already bought my sd by the time stuff like rog ally came out lol

And I'm kinda glad I did because I had the same kind of reasoning as you

Also I'm not a big fan of windows on my handheld machines lol

[sand wigeon]

also like you don’t really need an rog ally if all you’re playing is easy to run stuff anyway and people kinda forget that

[mental talon]

I bought it when it originally first opened up for sale and have used it pretty much up until this past October when I grabbed a Switch 2. Dont regret it, didnt need soemthing better.

[junior oyster]

Yea same

[sand wigeon]

like i’m someone who mainly plays single player simple games

or small management games

i wouldn’t need high specs anyway

[junior oyster]

I have had people say to me you could have bought a legion go or rog ally and I'm like what to play some vampire survivors or slay the spire?

[sand wigeon]

yeah lol

[junior oyster]

The only heavy hitter I played on my sd (and it ate my battery insanely fast) was that cat game

It was worth it for that game lol

[sand wigeon]

stray?

[junior oyster]

Yeaa

[sand wigeon]

aye

[junior oyster]

It's one of those games I can only play once but I'll never forget how much I enjoyed it

[sand wigeon]

for reference these are all the games i’ve recently played

[mental talon]

The most "taxing" thing I think I ran on mine was uhhhh Monster Hunter World?

[junior oyster]

Oh speaking of. I did play le and poe2 on it I forgot about those

But I used my charger while playing

[mental talon]

I bought Chrono Trigger on Steam but then found my old DS copy of it and spent like an entire week just playing through it again on 3DS every night lmao

[junior oyster]

The extra addon they added tilts me so I only ever play the snes/ps1 version

[mental talon]

Damn I should play Chrono Trigger again.

[junior oyster]

I. don't. like. the. Chrono cross tie in

I love CC on it's own but not a sequel to CT

[mental talon]

Dont worry Chrono Trigger remake one day that completely misses the mark on what people loved about it from Square Enix soon surely

Can't wait

[fierce moth]

Judd: I heard someone said chrono trigger?

[obtuse rune]

Chrono Trigger just hit different..

[junior oyster]

I mean it depends on the devs. I loved the remake of Trails in the sky 1st chapter

[obtuse rune]

Just like Legend of Dragoon

[junior oyster]

Legend of dragoon

I swear I played that

I also want a Lufia II remake xD

[obtuse rune]

Good ol "Squaresoft"

[mental talon]

Reading Legend of Dragoon aged me

Shit

[obtuse rune]

Imagine remember it coming out and you playing it Not trying to age myself

[mental talon]

I still remember the stupid ass Ghost SHip in that game

I got so confused as a kid

[fierce moth]

Great, another game I never hear, it mean I'm too young lol

[junior oyster]

The ghost ship in seiken densetsu III

[mental talon]

But somehow I was able to beat Link's Awakening on the gameboy without getting softlocked

[junior oyster]

Or was it SD2

Can't remember

[obtuse rune]

YOO

Memory unlocked.

[junior oyster]

Haha

[obtuse rune]

However..I raise you Legend of Mana

[junior oyster]

The one on the gba?

[obtuse rune]

Trials was on GBA I think and on SNES

Wait I dont know anymore

[mental talon]

Kirra you gotta realize Im a lot older than you even with a poor background I grew up in a very urban setting so borrwing games was the norm and I got quite a many experience as a result

[fierce moth]

..... I even not born yet while this game is released.

[junior oyster]

I didn't have internet till I was in secondary school 😂

So I missed the timeline of mmos like run escape and WoW

[obtuse rune]

I remember when the internet became a thing..

Whew.. dial up anyone?

[junior oyster]

For me it's a good thing because I missed out on the horrible cable

Dial up*

[mental talon]

We had internet and a hotboxxed cable box

[obtuse rune]

Fun fact: I got a job just to pay for a second phone line to play games online uninterrupted

[mental talon]

Listen at that point in time it felt like the shit

[junior oyster]

I know how bad it was despite not having it because a friend of mine was playing an online game and then his mom picked up the phone

[mental talon]

I remember me and my sister playing Neopets one summer lmao

[obtuse rune]

That feeling when you're playing Phantasy Star Online at a boss and the phone rings...your heart drops...then your connection

Had to be there

[junior oyster]

Yea I got to witness my friend raging at his mom for picking up the phone

[mental talon]

Shit Im glad them days are over, it was fun but I'll definitely live

[junior oyster]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/253880/Earth_2150_Trilogy/

This is a game I played briefly and only recently I discovered it again

I gave the cd to a friend of mine briefly and then next visit when I wanted my game back he said he lost it 😭

The guy either broke the cd or wanted to keep the game to himself

[warped wren]

hey Alwheezy, I finally made a worthy item

you saw?

[mental talon]

I did not sadly I apologize.

[warped wren]

this

not divined because I'm skint broke rn

[mental talon]

Oh shit damn that's freaking nice!

Hell yeah

[warped wren]

got the base with t1 ES, t1 attribute, and melee skills for 50d

and got giga lucky hitting exactly the fracture needed to 100% save the craft

[mental talon]

That's freakign sweet dawg, you love to see it

[warped wren]

definitely the best item I've ever made

[junior oyster]

Damn everything is going to be this expensive huh

[warped wren]

are Lego games good or are they a cash grab? genuinely asking

[junior oyster]

I enjoy them (batman/dc games) for the mostly light heartedness

[warped wren]

ah

I know Sony released a Lego Horizon game but it's so incredibly overpriced IMO

otherwise I'd try it

[junior oyster]

It's the opposite of the very serious arkham games

I think the batman ones are worth it and aside from this newer game the rest are relatively cheap

[mental talon]

There's a new Lego Batman game coming out which is like a spritiual successor to the Arkham games

Seems pretty neat

[junior oyster]

Especially if you wait on the sales

[junior oyster]

Isn't it the one I just mentioned? Unless there is another heh

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2215200/LEGO_Batman_Legacy_of_the_Dark_Knight/

[mental talon]

I have a case of terminally skipping reading

[junior oyster]

Me too xD

[mental talon]

Nothing personal, that's my own cross to bare

[desert jasper]

But it's not amulet with spirit
don't you know, you need 500 spirit (on non minion build)

[junior oyster]

I believe I'd gotten this game a few years ago for like half the price during sales
https://store.steampowered.com/app/829110/LEGO_DC_SuperVillains/

[desert jasper]

For all those auras and heralds

[sand wigeon]

good

generally they're great parodies of the original work

[warped wren]

[desert jasper]

I've to admit that the only Lego game I've played is Lego Racers
on like... ps2?

[warped wren]

God

I feel like I lost 50 IQ from that conversation

[desert jasper]

I felt like I lost that much just by reading it

I instantly had to go & brew a pot of coffee

and drank it all while reading it
it just kept on going and going
worse and worse
and suddenly it was "witchhunting"

[junior oyster]

Damn you worded it so much better than me lol

[neon sigil]

managed to get some drawing done today.

[jade jackal]

This is interesting, what's your method for drawing the shapes inside?

[jovial bane]

most of them are great, some however feel a bit cash grabby like Lego Hobbit having only two movies, because the third was supposed to be in DLC that never happened

Still very fun, but yeah

Or Indiana Jones 2 having just Crystal Skull movie, and super compressing the other three so the game ended up short

However I think Arkham Batman might be in the great category like Lego Star Wars.

[neon sigil]

I use an autofill lasso tool for that at a pixel-art resolution, then vectorize the result.

e.g.

or.

did some more tweaks tho. Final result. :v

[gilded elm]

Those vector art versions are created from the pixel art versions?

[neon sigil]

Thats right.

A vectorizer is an image tracing software that traces it in vector.

Photoshop has one included iirc

Its mainly used for making posters and the like since vectors can scale to any size without losing resolution.

[gilded elm]

Didn't know that was a thing. I would've figured it would be more common to see it done the other way around, pixelizing a vector graphic.

[neon sigil]

That is done! Its actually the only way to view vector art on a monitor. As vectors are just a bunch of formulas for lines.

[gilded elm]

Well yeah I know what vectors are haha and of course rendering is effectively the same as "pixelizing" but I meant that more in the "pixel-art aesthetic" sense.

[neon sigil]

Oh i see

[gilded elm]

Going from vector to pixel art style is what I meant.

[neon sigil]

That would probably be very difficult as you'd lose a ton of resolution in an uncontrolled way.

Itd look similar to a pixel art filter in blender

[gilded elm]

I imagine you'd first have to decide on the resolution, since with vector graphics there is no lossiness due to resolution.

But pixel art style is appealing enough that I would've figured the process of going from vector art to pixel art would be more common than the other way around lol

[neon sigil]

It would be popular if it was doable.
But like you mentioned. The issue would be loss.

[gilded elm]

Yeah, it'd definitely be a challenge since different resolutions for pixel art might call for different techniques for things like shading

[neon sigil]

The shading for sure. But you'd also lose line control and the like. Itd be blurry.

[gilded elm]

Essentially figuring out how to convey the most about a detail while showing very little of it

Kind of like how dithering conveys shadows for art with limited colors

Yeah line control is another, but when it comes to pixel art style I think this is fairly well documented and could be made into a reliable process.

Generally you just want to avoid having lines that look thick

[neon sigil]

It is, if you're drawing it.
But downscaling an image is lossy by nature.

Even if you start with a lossless image loss is introduced in the rasterization process.

[gilded elm]

Yeah for sure, the smaller you go in resolution, it becomes more and more inevitable to infer what was intended

I think it will also depend heavily on how much detail the original image actually has.

If the original vector image is just a very plain object, not very ornamented, not many details, it's probably easier to scale that down to a pixel-art style with not as much loss.

You know, this could actually be an area where AI image models could potentially be a useful part of the process. You do the legwork to create an original vector graphic which you want to scale down into a pixel art version, but this process of converting manually is probably not as creatively demanding as creating the actual art itself and is maybe more tedious than creative, it just requires thinking how to approach a specific problem at each step of the process and that requires understanding the context and intention behind the original image which is something an image model could be trained on.

The way I see it is, going from vector art to pixel art starts by exporting the vector art to your desired pixel art resolution. Then using a tool, like Aseprite or similar, you effectively trace over the original (using it as a reference image or something) and try to figure out how to convey the various details from the original image within the limits of the target resolution. Some details are unimportant and you just toss them out entirely, some details entirely depend on what they actually are and different techniques might be involved, like for shading. Creatively intensive? Not really IMO, more on the menial side of work that is harder to automate because it requires contextual understanding of the source image, basically human input. This is where I think an AI model could be useful, for the menial task of understanding what decisions to make during the tracing process.

Oh cool, you can use a Mosaic filter with the desired tile count and spacing configuration to create the base image that you can touch up as well.

But yeah the "touch up" part of this process is something I think most humans would consider menial, not actually creative.

[fierce moth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJitss58XKc
I'm confused about should I consider value or consider colours at first if I plan a new acrylic painting after watched this video. How are you decide this step in your artworks?

(Do you have any ideas for which case should I go values at first, which case should I go colours at first?)

[gilded elm]

You mean color theory? It's a very fundamental concept that they teach in art and film school, so having an understanding in color theory would help you answer that kind of question, probably.

[neon sigil]

It's less of an issue with digital painting because you can adjust them on the fly if you have a good workflow.
Generally I would consider colors and value at the same time. The important thing is contrast.

Color affects your values, so I personally don't paint in black and white but adjust my colors to better fit the contrast I want.

[gilded elm]

"She needs a new husband now" 🤣

[sudden anchor]

https://youtube.com/shorts/CbDzayqpP-A?si=wb4F_0u4VPLrEGVa
Dr K is trying to help you.

[fierce moth]

...Too sleepy so I got some sleep

🤔 ...What can I do to be proud of what am I look, emmmmmmmmm

Good Question. What can I do to xxxxx is golden in any fields

[gilded elm]

Eh, not sure if you understood it correctly, but there's a term for what he's describing that you can look up. It's called Cognitive Behavioral Therapy.

I feel like that's a more useful and actionable answer than a video short that doesn't actually explain it in a way that is useful to the average person.

[fierce moth]

😭 I know this term, yes.

It always tie with short videos about "how to keep living" "how to avoid suicide" "how to save yourself from original family" "suggestions for healing from depression" etc

[gilded elm]

It's a very common (maybe the most common?) therapy technique, so yeah, that makes sense.

Wish I had known about it much sooner, tbh. I find it helpful, has made me much more introspective and more connected with myself.

[abstract karma]

say what ?

free money are always weird

[maiden widget]

<@&1161418687471956101> scam post

[fierce moth]

0% possibility for recovering from depression and rebuild myself without income because I have to live with a mad parents and care about their mood. But companies will not accept a unhealthy person because the boss must think the cost.

Dead loop 🤷‍♀️

(Just come back from the curse of my mum. Like why are you quite ugly, why are you just know wasting my money, why are you never listen my words blablabla)

I know what are her mental problems clearly but I can't change her personality and her experiences

[sudden anchor]

https://youtu.be/646uKOF8rTg?si=xfQrLiL5OhCBrm0g Everything explained, nothing understood.

[junior oyster]

You never reveal your depression at work lol

[fierce moth]

funny detail I found is when the youtuber is deep breathing, I'll do it too

[fierce moth]

yes, because they're not my mum lol

I can shout at them if I think it's worthwhile

But base on the truth, not the mood

[fierce moth]

hhhhhhhh alright... I find watch a drama tv series can let me feel much better

[junior oyster]

Smallville

10 seasons

Just know it's a fairly old show

I never grew up with it but watched it last year

It was a fun ride but did feel slow at times

[ebon meadow]

I flipes a Coín between supernatural and smallville super won I m still at like season 7

[abstract karma]

saw both but if repeat this watch i would skip like a lot of episodes or seasons even because both serials have so many unnecessary episodes or even plot that
it just find it skipable without hinder anything from franchise

[junior oyster]

I missed the PoE2 speedrun on GDQ

[abstract karma]

speedruns which are based on easiest classes..
In my opinion speedruns matters if all would need to go trough same options like Class, skills or even allowed weapons or auras

[junior oyster]

I just like to watch speedruns of games I like/played

[maiden widget]

which naturally happens as the goal is to finish the fastest

[abstract karma]

well mee too finding resident evil run under a few mins just with knife is insane 😄

[abstract karma]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOQbEBcQ0bo dang we are really de-evolutioned just for sake of some 4K graphic appeal >.>

[junior oyster]

Problem of mainly 3d games

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Also not all older games had what's shown in this video tbqh

gta series didn't really have breakable environment as far as I can remember

[maiden widget]

its extremely chery picked

[junior oyster]

Yea

[maiden widget]

comparing the destructible environment game red faction vs. random online shooters

[junior oyster]

Also most if not all games are 3d in that video

Where the 2d games at???

Hair clarity in the 90s good luck 😂

[abstract karma]

there was point about - all new "gens" BS should have all what had previous peak games
It was about 3D because autor wanted ? Idk what is problem..

Idk why you nickpick wrongs of video rathen fact how every released new games within 3D being FPS or some kind of immersive RPG is basically just fancy themepark without any immersive elements

[junior oyster]

Why did you post the video? Expecting us to agree with you?

[abstract karma]

all of that threw to trash can just for sake of stupid better polygons

[junior oyster]

There is a game recently released I forgot the name of which has destructible environments iirc

[abstract karma]

there is no "not agree" lol seriously its not even about picking, it is harsh reality of modern developing

[junior oyster]

I'm sorry nothing of this title says 3d

Very selective

I'll agree with you if GTA 6 has us not being able to reflect our image in waters/mirrors

Since that is a modern game

Plenty of modern games with reflections I'm quite certain of that

And similar stuff the video creator pointed out

[abstract karma]

i've just post for reminder how degenerative developing of games - which is fact, saying no is really just weird

[junior oyster]

And I'm pointing out that the video creator has selective bias

[abstract karma]

Just because there is actually almost no reason select 2D games?

[junior oyster]

No the video didn't show no destructible environments in games like gta 3, vice city, 4 and 5

The most you can destroy are things like windows for some specific buildings

The same issue with modern games existed with older games too

And the reason to include non-fps (most of those games were fps for some reason) is to prove that pathing didn't work in other genres as well as the video might suggest

[abstract karma]

maybe in some ? Why pick up franchise which basically didn't put immersive realism at all from start ?
that doesnt make sense..

IF you want focus on series degeneration you can watch different videos which focus on such game series..
(starting for example around Assassin Creed)

[junior oyster]

Heck I've heard pathing in skyrim sucked too

[junior oyster]

Because here is the thing. If I have a bazooka in gta 3 and I shoot at a wall. The wall should break.
Just because some games don't allow you to properly destroy buildings and stuff in modern games doesn't mean we lost technology imo

Here is a modern game with destructible environments btw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFacOVBwWZI

[abstract karma]

Since GTA series hadn't this at all from all things maybe except gta 1 which actually had cases of burning buildings.. ?
Developers just didnt add..

[junior oyster]

We tend to forget buildings don't neccesarily completely collapse to rubble all the time

[abstract karma]

You know that Battlefield has env desturction as one of main selling points..
You probably dont understand point of that video you "SELECT a cases" while not see bigger picture..

[junior oyster]

You honestly make me laugh

It's a modern shooter game

[abstract karma]

you too.. if you didnt understand point of that video..

OR fact how modern developers makes execuses to actually dont add elements which existed back in 2000s games

[junior oyster]

The tech is still there 😂

There was no excuse for older devs either to not include X, Y or Z

There is also another pvp game (I forgot the name of it) that has basically fully destructible environments

[abstract karma]

If fractions of fractions using "that tech" which they used from start you count that as "not lost" amazing, you didn't understand point..

[junior oyster]

This applies to classic games too.

[abstract karma]

There is difference.. Classic games from old school era didnt have references and somee of them started from core..
Meanwhile modern studios or developing teams just simply don't add it while they should in many cases..

Especialy in Immersive RPG's.. or more popular (unfortunately) FPS

Sorry but if you compare old RPG like Gothic with Awoved and want price of Avowed then is just simply joke

Far Cry is also good example of one can degenerate franchise just for sake of graphic appeal

I don't see any problem in that video because there is just FACT for tons of games made last almost 10 years..

[junior oyster]

But I do see because there are many games made in the modern era that are as good if not better than the classic era lol. I hate how that video only focuses on 3d shooters mainly.

As much as Bastion is my favourite game from supergiant games it is pretty clear that Hades as a modern game is the overall winner in terms of pretty much everything

Same with D4

D4 outshines D2 (and D3 even though I do prefer D3 overall) by a lot

Why do I care about constantly running baal runs lol

Now if your argument is that everything is going cloud or AI then I'd agree with you

That is awful

But the tech hasn't disappeared. It still exists and is used and even improved upon.

[abstract karma]

Overall modenr era has gold standards too but there is just tiny number -> fact
FPS in 3D was probably picked because its basically easiest to shows main points (especially if you count how many fps exists..)

try it say it about diablo to some diablo fans

But the tech hasn't disappeared. It still exists and is used and even improved upon.
These days ? Nah.. maybe in some specific gerne or specific franchise but definitely not overall

Elements of previous era should have been now become standard of current one while you still find tons of games
which just focus on graphic appeal

[junior oyster]

As if classic games were a huge amount either lol

Stalker as a mechanic is a pretty niche thing for example imo

Aside from the arkham games and well Stalker itself

[abstract karma]

Idk in your case of favourite games

But for me as RPG mostly focused player yes, actually a lot of AI stuff within enemies or npcs or even story
got better till some 2018 (so-so) then it started downfall..

Once here or there is released some gold jewel which get also some recognition to public but that's

while now i get some series which i missed as kid i literally see in many cases how Graphic > Immersion

[sand wigeon]

crazy idea. there have always been a lot of bad games and a handful of really good games and you're confirmation biasing the past.

[junior oyster]

Lol

[abstract karma]

and how many of these really good games continue with another sequels and were actually a much worse..
or at least just had same developing team which customers excepted actually push up to next lvl but got downgrade

[junior oyster]

Imagine if every single 3d shooter had destructible environments but no actual good gameplay

Sometimes you have to sacrifice X to make Y better

[abstract karma]

in most cases you sacrifice X,Y,Z for sake of G

[junior oyster]

Now would it have been good if gta allowed me to destroy everything? Hell yea

But then they may have had to skimp out on the story or something

[fierce moth]

Complete the background today. Will start to learn how to paint glass containers next :)

[abstract karma]

Weird.. You are saying that there is implication - i want destructive env but we have to sacrfice side questings or many plot for because (?)

These two elements are seperated withing developing..
If something if you would destroy buildings or env you could probably enjoy questing way more..

[junior oyster]

Because of monetary costs or something idk

[abstract karma]

Writes or designers of quests usually aren't these which foucs on technical aspects of game or triggers which starts them..

what i could see in case of GTA - is shrink of world.. which isn't in many cases bad thing..
(its one of reason why i think Crimson Desert will be average in side questing)

[twilit mountain]

The biggest limiter with destructibke environments in game development is that it is a nightmare to get it to run well without cutting a lot of corners.

For example; Battlefield 6 has what is colloquially known as "scripted destruction". You can destroy things. It will break in a predetermined way. This still incurs issues of frame drops, server lag, client-side lag, CPU hitching, etc etc, because ypur computer has to process everything being destroyed and know where to place the rubble and such. This is mitigated to some extent by making it so you only process the destruction in a certain area around where you are currently playing.
It's also hosting up to 128 people at once in a singular server, imagine how poorly those servers would be chugging if it had to process essentially limitless amounts of effects on the playable area.

Now here's an example for the other side. The Finals has nearly 100% unrestricted destruction. You can break almost every single piece of the map, and it will break in a completely different way every single time. This makes the game run like garbage the longer the matches go on. Destroy a big enough thing and the game becomes effectively unplayable for everyone in the lobby until the physics engine has finished calculating everything regarding that structure's collapse. There's no phasing out rubble, there's no clearing of particle effects, there's nothing removed at all whenever you break anything. Every single rock and little bit of plaster from a broken building is a separate physical entity in the game.
Do you know what the max amount of players in a lobby is in that game? It's 12. Twelve individual people. That's the limit. The game has an unmatched level of destruction in the genre, and almost exclusively due to that it is restricted to a tiny lobby and even then can barely support itself in extreme situations.

[junior oyster]

Yea I was thinking of the Finals as my other example lol

I just couldn't remember the name

Yea I didn't even think of the effects on the server/client-side issues

[twilit mountain]

(For clarity none of this is supposed to be like, anger, or meant as "calling you out" or anything; I just woke up and saw a discussion I actually have interest in and know an alright amount of information in so my brain kicked into infodump mode a bit)

[junior oyster]

I watched that video and just couldn't really agree to it. Good and bad games have always existed.

To some extent I can understand but honestly I've known many bad games that I've either played or heard of in the 90s, 20XXs

[junior oyster]

Nah no offence taken. I wasn't fully sure of the reasons but I assumed it would be monetary reasons hence why I said skimping out on story

[twilit mountain]

People like to think of whatever era they got into gaming as the "golden age" but in reality the hobby has never been better than it is right now and odds are as time goes on it's going to continue being that way, whatever the "modern" is will be the best it can be

[junior oyster]

Also how far can we say something is modern. 2020+? Because to me GTA 5 is a modern game lol

[twilit mountain]

And yeah, the bad tends to get forgotten for every generation really. Unless it's like, infamously bad, then it lives on as a "hey don't be that" kind of thing. Honestly even the mediocre tends to be forgotten after a little bit. The stuff that's... Just okay. Nothing stellar, nothing horrid, perfectly "eh" in every way.

[twilit mountain]

I think GTA5 is on its way out of the modern catalogue, maybe another year or two. It initially dropped in 2013, it's been some time.
Part of the reason it has lasted so long is console re-releases, GTA Online, and the fact that 6 is, if it comes out this year, a 13 year gap in a series that doesn't really have competitors/comparative games.

Maybe a little more time than that but I think the idea is clear enough

[junior oyster]

Yea I'm aware it's an old game but I tend to forget just how old it is because it still looks pretty damn clean even now

[twilit mountain]

Granted games from the early 2010s to now are harder to sift into separate "eras" than games before then, tech can only improve so much really, so games can also only improve at a similar rate

[twilit mountain]

Definitely in part to it not trying to commit to hyper-realism in its art/graphics.
It's realistic enough to look like a conceivable reality, but it's also very clearly stylized to be its own thing.
Stylization makes things last longer, always has and always will.

[jovial bane]

yup

Deep Rock Galactic is another game that has pretty much this kind of destructible terrain

but most weapons dont affect it, and game looks like high res minecraft

And I do agree that art style carries the graphics

Darkest Dungeon is a great example

[junior stirrup]

Mate of mine did their master thesis at DICE R&D doing procedural destruction in the time leading up to BF:BC2.
It was quite interesting to see all the approaches and tradeoffs that went into building such a system.

[twilit mountain]

Gods, that game would probably light PCs on fire if we had like raytracing and Minecraft type shaders for it lol
So many surfaces

[jovial bane]

oof yes

[junior stirrup]

They had a bunch of approaches that produced interesting results in testbeds but would have unrealistic demands on art and gameplay. Kind of important to build something that can actually be used and be a benefit.

[jovial bane]

well being fully underground and having no light sources other than flares and your flashlights helps as well

but add in reflective surfaces and that would be a nightmare

tbh fully destructible terrain needs to have a reason to be in game, I think in shooters limited destructible terrain like wooden boxes is usually enough

For example it adds a lot to DRG, because the bugs tunnel through the dirt to you

[junior stirrup]

Ultimately it needs to enrichen gameplay.
If everything can be destroyed easily, you have very limited counterplay and probably degenerate into a plane of rubble.

[jovial bane]

yup

and it needs to fit the flavor of the game, it adds a lot to XCOM because of the giang alien mecha and anti tank weapons

[desert jasper]

Did I hear rock and stone?

[jovial bane]

or in company of heroes, because well

[junior stirrup]

rock and stone, brother

[jovial bane]

you are bombarding the poor village for hours with heavy artillery

[desert jasper]

Rock and stone
to the bone

Hope you had good new years

[jovial bane]

ROCK AND STONE

[junior stirrup]

It's been good, back at work for a week now working on fun stuff.

Way too warm outside tho.

[jovial bane]

way too much snow outside here >.>

[desert jasper]

Hah
Here it's been like -20C all week
not too windy... well, today was super windy so canceled my plans of going for a long walk around a lake and then setting up a fire

[twilit mountain]

We've had a lucky break of a few warmer days lately (mid to high 30s in Fahrenheit), supposed to go back to 20 or lower soon

[fierce moth]

I want to write a bit about myself suddenly :)

[gilded elm]

lol, saw this outside my apartment building. I guess people do drive these cars that look like they came out of Minecraft lmao

Ah, it's almost time...

[fierce moth]

I just find this boss even don't have a name lol

But this boss combat gave the most emotional value.

[lean mesa]

man the poe 2 endgame isr eally starting to drain on me man 😭

[fierce moth]

Yes! I survive from the explosion at the first time!

🤔 It have a countdown timer

[fierce moth]

lol oh man I'm not sure where should I run when he summon a maze

stay on the same side cause I'm slain

[twilit mountain]

You

Follow the maze

[maiden widget]

lol glad these arent even allowed to drive in my country

[fierce moth]

ok Killed by his lightning arrow

Damage is poor again

[fierce moth]

alright this boss is tricky for both of melee and caster. Nice balance...

Wrong time to dodge for lightning arrows always

[fierce moth]

Just very closed :(

[fierce moth]

Died 9 times on this boss... Not as hard as Viper or tornado bird lol. Killed him!

But maybe just because I have budgets to upgrade gears. Changed helmet/gloves/belts/ring/boots

[junior oyster]

I'm conflicted between playing stardew valley or slay the spire

[desert jasper]

Can't go wrong with Stardew
I should play it again tbh

[junior oyster]

Problem is can't go wrong with sts either lol

There is also terraria

But I think I gotta play sv again

[fierce moth]

Sigh... Voxel art is polluted by AI-generate too (so everything maybe created by AI unless the artwork is physical & use physical materials) 🤷‍♀️

Show the process is something must do by artists

it also mean renders aren't valuable anymore. I'm quite miss days which nft were popular... That was an era you can sell your renders.

I still know nothing about how to use and drive AI tools. It let me feel scary

[gilded elm]

I don't miss NFTs, I'm glad crypto and NFTs are largely an obscure market now.

[gilded elm]

Isn't AI education becoming mandatory in Chinese schools soon?

[gilded elm]

It's not surprising, China is a major contributor in AI research and breakthroughs.

I imagine China (correctly) understands that AI is never going away and they want every student to have some basic education on the technology, for whatever the future might bring.

[fierce moth]

Current educations are better and better because more and more recourses are available but... They're zero relationship with me because I'm not a student + People will not admit my results without taking any exams (education background and certificates are extreme important in China)

I'm out of date already so I'm afraid of AI just give me more debuff (low education background and be poor blocked me from 99.9% potential chances already)

[gilded elm]

Yeah, that sucks. I grew up poor too, I had to work some really stressful and hard jobs to earn an income.

Like working 6 days a week for 12 hours a day, standing all day.

[fierce moth]

The most cruel truth I learnt from these 4 years is no one will support me... I must disgust all troubles, I must ask myself don't stop, I must...Alright, maybe these're masks you have mentioned

I have to play a role-play game.

Yes

[gilded elm]

What kind of support? Emotional support? Financial support? It sucks when family won't support you emotionally, but if you're an adult then you can't really expect to lean on anyone, not even family, for financial support.

That's just my opinion, any way.

[fierce moth]

It's why I think this question is quite sharp

It mean "how are you make sure you can keep passion for something consistently"

[gilded elm]

I don't think that's what that question means haha

[fierce moth]

your idea is?

[gilded elm]

The question is asking about how you balance introducing new ideas into a system without radically altering that system, essentially.

My personal answer to the question would depend on who's asking it, probably.

[fierce moth]

lol... Intetesting

very software engineer lol

[gilded elm]

It can apply to any kind of workflow in general. There's more direct and unambiguous ways to ask "how do you stay passionate?" type of questions lol

[desert jasper]

"I don't" is probably not the answer they want

[fierce moth]

What will people want to hear if I want to say sorry for asking about their privacy by accident? Solved

[desert jasper]

Honestly you just shouldn't ask such things from people unless they are close to you

[fierce moth]

🫡 Keep the edge, yes, you're right

[fierce moth]

lol I doubt artstation and xiaohongshu have shared my behaviour...

I like projects from Sebastian Luca yesterday, I scrolled his work again in xiaohongshu just now...

That's a real pro 🫡

Any works they posted are enough for me to explore 6 months or longer

🤔 Maybe I should start from finding and following 10 concept artists whose I appreciated the style

[jade jackal]

I would advise not just following concept artists, but following their own inspiration for art

Dont be afraid to probe really old art

[neon sigil]

I drew a thing today.

[fierce moth]

lol use their references to create my art is a genius idea...

I admit I never think I can play the game in this way

🤔 But hard to find projects which attached references they've used. Can I meet any of them is decided by the fate.

[fierce moth]

I have a question... How to know which clues are they follow to find references? This is an example. Pros always can use 30-40 reference for a single render so they looks quite small... Hard to see what are they

[neon sigil]

Reference is a study of the world. Ask yourself what you are trying to take from the reference and elaborate on that.

Its pointless to just grab a bunch of photos without direction.

Look at the things you want to include in your drawing/painting.

[fierce moth]

What I want....Good question

What I want?...

The truth is I refuse to think that, suppress myself to think that because I know I can't get that now 😅

[jade jackal]

Don't think like a machine does, dive deeper into what makes the objects or style you want to follow

batches of samples is fine, but what makes a certain object the way it is can shape the approach to painting it in your style

[fierce moth]

= figure out which part of this project impress me and be connected to my mind?

[jade jackal]

No, dive into how its made, what decisions its original makers took, why they took them

[warped wren]

when you haven't logged in for a few days

[fierce moth]

Then artstation can't fit this request. Gameartist is a better platform

🙃 The issue of this web is pictures can't load

[fierce moth]

Every 3d environment artist who have posted something on gameartist are pros... They're quite familiar with the whole workflow of 3d game art

Always too much to learn so it's easy to learn nothing

what I want to include in my painting is a thing, how to execute the whole plan is the other thing...

[twilit mountain]

Check it

[warped wren]

Ooo you finally sold that ring eh

[twilit mountain]

No that's a different ring actually

[warped wren]

ah

[twilit mountain]

Lost out on a dextral annulment by 20 tribute raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

Why the actual shit are they 22,000+ tribute

nvm got compensated

[fierce moth]

Both of them

Can't find a friend who do similar things in real life too because my location is too far away from central of this city so poor time I have.

🤔 I want to find a Chinese who hate to take exams and like painting (The vibe of preparing different exams is too rich. Everything can be treated as an exam)

[twilit mountain]

Kirra, pretty much everyone hates exams lol
Just because it's a societal standard to exert pressure on people to take them doesn't mean people like taking them

[warped wren]

I think if you talk to the average student on the street they will hate exams. Like, even the academically sharpest people I ever knew did not like exams, they just handled them

[junior stirrup]

I "loved" the Vaal rituals in PoE1 which had greatly swinging scaling both up and down in tribute cost, sometimes making it very tight to even afford deferring something.

[twilit mountain]

I'll slip you a fiver to convince your bosses to nerf tribute cost xdd

Actually. Convince them to remove mob mods that turn off recovery. It's bullshit.

[warped wren]

Zao works at GGG?

[twilit mountain]

Ye

[junior stirrup]

Odd way to spell "great fun".

[warped wren]

old Talisman sold

[twilit mountain]

Should I call the authorities? Are you safe?

[junior stirrup]

Maven with RF the other league was interesting, ended up dropping RF for the fight and just fire trapping it all.

[warped wren]

guess I buy a double crit time-lost jewel because why not

[warped wren]

how did my Shred tooltip just go 1.5x from a jewel and some passive tree tweaking...

[twilit mountain]

Tooltips gonna tooltip ig

[warped wren]

yeah there's no way that's accurate

[twilit mountain]

Here's mine

PoB can't even get my damage right. It says 700k/s but uh, I watched myself do 11mil in under 6 sexconds so

[warped wren]

Bruh, i82 normal rarity Sekhema Sandals are 4d

Solars are about 1.4-1.8

Wild

[twilit mountain]

Getting i82 normal items is a pain in the ass

Shit, getting i82s in general is annoying

Unironically, I would take scours even if they were rarer than divs atp

[warped wren]

yes

that's why it's so profitable

someone in Ducks' discord just double corrupted their gg ring...

[twilit mountain]

Also, call me crazy, I still think this is unacceptable. I don't care if they're really cheap to just buy off market now, I should have seen more than eight.

[warped wren]

I just find it hilarious that the system that was supposed to de-sync itemization and skill use and make both more convenient ended up implemented in a way that it made BOTH worse and by a huge margin

so I just made about 6.5d off that last map off of 3 white bases alone

kek double u

[twilit mountain]

fml. I couldn't even see the damn thing because there was a double shrine effect right next to it

[warped wren]

so the funny thing with those mobs

even if you freeze it, it can still create the fog

[fierce moth]

I pretty like listening to Skyrim-inspired ambient music, but I never think I should play the game

[sand wigeon]

skyrim is very much for a specific type of person

all bethesda games are

[fierce moth]

90s parents maybe better for how to educate their childrens and give them support, but 70s parents are grew up from poor and hungry, so they think give their children some food and make sure they're safe, that's all about education. They never know how to say I love my son/daughter and the way to punish their children are violence, ignorance and belittle.

Work hard is deserved, entertainment is shameful.

China have developed too fast so the mind of some elder still stop in last decade.

Plus Chinese education is focused on endless exams... Students here are quite stressful. But they can do nothing for escaping this system unless their parents are open-mind enough and economic condition are solid enough to go to school on aboard.

[jovial bane]

Not really.
Open world dungeon crawler RPGs are very mainstream as far as RPGs are concerned

Morrowind on the other hand would be for specific audience

[jovial bane]

yeaaah, sounds a bit familiar. Not as extreme, but familiar.

[sand wigeon]

i more mean skyrim as like, a cognito hazard

all the depths of skyrim

like sure the general genre is applicable

but skyrim...

[desert jasper]

What depths?

[sand wigeon]

just all of its failings lol

[desert jasper]

I more meant that it has the depth of a puddle when it comes to being rpg

[fierce moth]

🤔 are you Asian?

I wonder do you prefer rice or noodles

[sand wigeon]

oh true'

[jovial bane]

half asian, but people I've been dealing with since childhood had similar attitude.
Also good rice > noodles, but I think I like italian pasta more than rice.

[jovial bane]

You mean how you can get lost in the world of Skyrim ?
That's IMHO why it has such mainstream appeal

But mechanically it's very simple, and barely has any of the friction some more niche RPGs have like idk

KCD2

[sand wigeon]

no

i'm talking about how it has bad systems, poor writing and surface level roleplaying aspects

[jovial bane]

ah

Yeah, that's true. But I think for people getting into "RPGs" it's still good enough entry point. It's really just a dungeon crawler, so it does not overwhelm.

10/10 dungeon crawler really. Assuming modded which solves some of the systems problems. But still a dungeon crawler

[fierce moth]

Can I ask which country are you from?

[jovial bane]

Poland

idk if it's just me, or we have toxic work mindset in this country compared to the west

[sudden anchor]

I need to start the washing machine and want to make poppy noodles, a classic bavarian recipe. Writing this down helps stopping procrastination hopefully.

No potatos at home. Wonder if I can use chips.

[obtuse rune]

ooo

Okay I'm a fan of any food

and food pics 👀

[gilded elm]

Are you at the age where you're expected to go to college, then? Growing up, I know the pressure of education around endless exams and high performance was the same in Korea, but fortunately I went to American schools (in Korea) so I didn't have to live by those same rules.

[fierce moth]

25 is the age that people expect you have 4 years of experience :(

[gilded elm]

I don't know about China, but "4 years of experience required" in the west is usually just a recommendation, not a hard requirement.

[vagrant topaz]

@obtuse rune
Hand made inverted puff pastry strawberry milles feuilles

See the difference with regular puff pastry

[fierce moth]

🤔 Our defination of puff have huge differnce

Yours are better a lot

[obtuse rune]

https://tenor.com/view/parraque-infarto-fainted-gif-11968695137576080389

[gilded elm]

In the meantime while you are trying to prepare for a career in art, are you doing any kind of work at all? Sometimes it's better to do any kind of work and have some experience than nothing at all.

[obtuse rune]

Those are SO pretty

[obtuse rune]

Strawberries are a hidden weakness for me along with blueberries... YESSSS

This gives me life

[fierce moth]

acrylic painting and voxel art, that's all...

[vagrant topaz]

Wanna see 2 big bois

[gilded elm]

Yeah but that doesn't currently make you any money, right? For example, would you be able to get a job working at a cafe, a store, or anything to earn money?

[obtuse rune]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-cat-gif-10804346947536782797

[obtuse rune]

I know Kira and Byte are talking about career stuff currently, I'm just in a yummy for my tummy mood.

[gilded elm]

haha

[fierce moth]

Kira 🤔

[jovial bane]

My most hilarious out of touch recruiter moment was at the end of us, uni students visiting the factory. And they've proposed us apprenticeships, because we have to commute just 50kms ... 40 hours a week

With us having classes monday to friday lmao

[obtuse rune]

I won't provide unsolicited advice but I will say I understand where you are coming from in regards to career and future. The West has its own amount of pros and cons like that

[vagrant topaz]

I even tried to bake them with a whole in the middle, in case you want to pour some custard down the middle

[jovial bane]

ohhhg

[vagrant topaz]

That never made it into the menu

[gilded elm]

Between the ages of 18 and 22, I worked a lot of jobs I didn't want to work. Just so I could have money to pursue the things I wanted to do.

[vagrant topaz]

Would have been a pain ^^

[gilded elm]

I had to work to afford my own plane ticket out of Korea lol

I've worked as a cashier, worked at night clubs, worked at bars etc. I hated it, but I had to do it because I had no other options.

My parents weren't going to financially support me.

[obtuse rune]

But you made it! You did the thing!

[gilded elm]

Yeah, I think most people have to endure some kind of major hardships in their life. Just push through, make the best of your situation and keep looking forward. That's the best way to change your situation, IMO.

[obtuse rune]

I will always cheer people on for working on themselves or trying to better any situation. ❤️

(All throughout college I had 2-3 jobs)

[gilded elm]

lol sounds impossible to juggle 2+ jobs as a college student, kinda crazy but yeah seems to be a common story

[obtuse rune]

Yeeeeah, at the time it was common.. and still is in some cases.

[gilded elm]

About to say, I heard there's some people working 2-3 jobs in today's economy just to get by 🥲

@fierce moth Did you know in the US, it's not uncommon for parents to kick their kids out of the house at 18 years old? lol

[jovial bane]

I've somehow got my first job rather late after failing to get one, pandemic happening and attempting at my master's again

Ultimately it worked out 😄

But yeah, even if they have some experience requirement it's not a must afaik.

[gilded elm]

Yeah of course it depends on the job, but I can speak for tech jobs specifically "years of experience" for entry/mid-level positions are almost always just a recommendation and not a hard requirement even though they say "required"

Even college education is often just a recommendation, if you have experience there are plenty of companies that are willing to ignore education. For example, I have zero college education.

With entry/junior-level positions specifically, a lot of employers care more about your enthusiasm and willingness to learn on the job more than your education and experience.

[jovial bane]

yup

[fierce moth]

what major are you study in college?

[jovial bane]

Although with public unis in PL I think college education is a bit harder of a requirement. Simply because more people have degrees

[gilded elm]

Oh yeah definitely. If you have a lot of applicants, there tends to be more required criteria just so you can filter the right candidates.

[obtuse rune]

game design at first but communication and arts later on in my time. I got somewhat lucky getting the gig i did back then too

[gilded elm]

Art degree? Hah, laugh at this guy! jk lol

[fierce moth]

The core of getting income is you meet a boss willing to trust you, grow you and pay you :)

Too much people have no experience and be poor but want a job so show you're different is important :(

[fierce moth]

Show a tree you painted please :)

GIG?

[obtuse rune]

i didnt paint i used to draw, design and model but I was really good as a "people person" 😆

[fierce moth]

Show a tree you drew and modeled please :)

[obtuse rune]

but i didnt do trees and my work is long gone

never to be seen again

[gilded elm]

Interesting how life can sometimes throw a curveball that makes you pivot career paths.

[jovial bane]

I've wanted to get into game dev as first. But coding was not for me

[fierce moth]

You learnt game design in college, is it mean you have learnt 3ds max or maya to model characters and objects?

[jovial bane]

I bet a lot of it was theory, like "what makes games fun"

[gilded elm]

I kinda assume game design is mostly theory as well, yeah

[fierce moth]

🤔 emmmm... It's not fun

[gilded elm]

Like, I don't think the "design" in "game design" is artistic design.

[fierce moth]

lol sure. I wonder did Van learn coding before too

[fierce moth]

⬆️ Main reason for I never will learn real "game design"

[obtuse rune]

yup maya and 3d max

we did art and programming

[gilded elm]

Fundamentals, but not focused courses, right?

[fierce moth]

show your art please :)

[obtuse rune]

same. at the time it was... boring to me

[jovial bane]

that honestly sounds like a nightmare course

I can do science, my art side is lacking on the other hand.
Hybrid spec course ? Oh boy 😆

[obtuse rune]

never. my art back then was not good and still isnt. my art is communication now 😆

yeah. the course made you learn both

with little space for electives

[gilded elm]

I'm kind of imagining they make you learn more of the surface level stuff, right? Like "game design" didn't focus on art or programming entirely, did it?

[fierce moth]

Make sense. How are you know there's a job calls community manager and how are you prepare for a interview?

[obtuse rune]

there were various modeling classes and programming classes we had to take. Ther were also general basic course teaching fundementals, etc. the curriculum was only split into programming or art years after I left

[jovial bane]

ohh, makes sense

[gilded elm]

Makes sense. I always thought it was a "broad picture" kind of education on game development.

[fierce moth]

Oh I guess Van know Zbrush too and had sculpt something then

[gilded elm]

Teaching you how everything fits together

[obtuse rune]

I originally was not a cm from the start. i had to work my way there through diff positions at first

[jovial bane]

tbh it's a fair assumption

I think fundamentals are always broad, then it dives into specialisations

[fierce moth]

How to understand you work your way there through different positions at first?

I need more key words

[gilded elm]

Would you say "Game Designer" as a job title is a bit different from what you learn in college? For example, someone who works as a Game Designer is focused on a specific aspect of game development, if so, what aspect?

[jovial bane]

when I hear "game designer" I think of designing mechanics personally

Like when people design a board game

[gilded elm]

Yeah, same. I think someone who is more involved with designing systems.

[obtuse rune]

at the time it was one of those "work hard for what you want and move up." it took a few years for each position. you'd have to start at the beginning of one role and get to the higher position of that area then move to a different team, etc

[obtuse rune]

honestly, nowadays game designers wear many different hats. esp smaller studio/ indie games. it can include programing, art, social, communication, marketing, etc in my mind anyway.

back then it was more of a "this or that" and I think that has changed. I encourage anyone interested in gaming to try all the things

[fierce moth]

How are you get the 1st job in game industry? I guess your major helped you? Because you learnt what game development is in college.

[gilded elm]

Honestly, that checks out tbh. I see it everywhere in software jobs nowadays. If you're not a manager, you're probably wearing many hats.

[jovial bane]

makes sense, game development requires so many different fields

[obtuse rune]

funny enough a random ad for a seasonal tech support gig

[fierce moth]

........what gig is

[gilded elm]

Job

[fierce moth]

hah? Why Americans say "job" as gig?

[gilded elm]

Well a gig is a specific kind of job, but most people just use them interchangeably and it's understood to be the same.

[jovial bane]

just a slang really

[gilded elm]

Think like a shortterm or temporary job

[obtuse rune]

first off, no you're not a loser. You tried a thing! that's actually winning in my book. cant forget the butter! how did it taste though? going to try it again?

[obtuse rune]

i was meant to be there for only a few months but ended up staying for yeeears

[fierce moth]

how ar you transform your role from tech support to CM?

[gilded elm]

Good job security, at least? And it carved the path for your career trajectory, right? All in all, sounds like a win!

[obtuse rune]

absolutely!

[obtuse rune]

how i got to community was basically:
years of tech support -> years of social -> years of community

but i worked on things on the side and with the company I was with, etc

[gilded elm]

I don't know about Vandryll's story specifically, but I do know that many tech companies will give employees the opportunity to transition into different job titles based on your experience and tenure.

[jovial bane]

it just happens

[obtuse rune]

if you show interest, promise and dedication, many companies will allow you to transition

[fierce moth]

all of them happen in the same company and this company is ran by game development?

[gilded elm]

In my field, we have people who work with customers as "System Administrators" and a lot of these people eventually transition into full "Software Engineer" roles.

[sudden anchor]

Haha thanks 😂 It tasted really good. Definitly gonna try again, maybe with less chaos next time.

[fierce moth]

I want to know social and community is relevant to which field

[obtuse rune]

heck yes! good luck and share more pics next time 😉

[gilded elm]

I'm kind of at a roadblock in my career because the only way forward is going into management and I absolutely do not want to become a manager. I've been offered the choice multiple times but declined lol

[obtuse rune]

if it works for you, it works for you, you know?

[gilded elm]

I want to keep writing code and I definitely don't want to be responsible for managing other people haha

[obtuse rune]

hahaha

[gilded elm]

I know if I was a manager, I'd basically have to stop writing code and focus all my energy on meetings and coordinating work. I feel like I'd be a lot less happier in that role.

Hoping that one day my tenure will lead me into a more desirable role like Staff Software Engineer or Principal Software Engineer.

[obtuse rune]

some people shine under different light so i get that 💯

i enjoy many parts of game design including chats like these alot

[fierce moth]

enjoy a thing and can live with this thing is two different things

[gilded elm]

Wish I could be a fly on the wall in EHG's Slack, hah. For the game design collaboration that undoubtedly happens there.

[obtuse rune]

there are many moving parts that's for sure

[gilded elm]

No doubt people (mostly players) underestimate the amount of effort that goes into game design and all of the moving parts that require careful consideration.

Especially for a game with a live service model, that's gotta be a huge challenge.

[gilded elm]

To be honest, I used to be more passionate about software engineering before I got a job as a software engineer lol. I think eventually, it's normal to lose a lot of that passion over your career.

[jovial bane]

Ive really enjoyed starting my job as technologist working with big steel constructions, the job is sapping that joy out of me

I think it's normal

[gilded elm]

Yeah, it can be sad to lose that joy because of your job, but there's also an endless amount of things to pursue and having a job makes that possible.

[fierce moth]

how many years are passed since you got the 1st job?

[obtuse rune]

gotta enjoy what you can when and however you can

[obtuse rune]

about 15 ? 16 years i cant math

[fierce moth]

How old are you while you're doing the 1st job? I bet you were younger than me

[jovial bane]

I'm older than you me thinks

🫠

so don't worry about it too much, there is never too late

[fierce moth]

Chinese never hear game design as a major until 2022-2023

[obtuse rune]

older or younger, I believe many people can do many different things in life. yeah we had it way before that in the west, anyway

[fierce moth]

Americans go ahead on this field so much. Many Chinese study in US are for game design too, like USC

[jovial bane]

dw about it too much, back in highschool so close to 20 years ago people thought game dev is a silly thing, and nobody took it seriously

now poland is pretty much a game dev powerhouse

[fierce moth]

Alright Van don't want to spoiler his age. Anyways I guess Van are older than me 10 years at least

[warped wren]

Yeah but for like 80% of academic majors, China is either a top 3 destination or will soon become one

Probably the only country on the planet actively investing to that degree in the potential of its people

(Yes I know the irony of what I'm saying and the political context behind it, my point stands)

Wouldn't be at all shocked to have major game dev studios from China within the next decade

[twilit mountain]

I mean we basically do already

[jovial bane]

Chinese game market is on the rise

so it's a matter of time

[twilit mountain]

Like it or not, Hoyoverse is a massive company

[warped wren]

I thought Hoyoverse was a gacha game maker?

[gilded elm]

China is a major player in basically every field of technology.

[twilit mountain]

They are. Doesn't change that they are in fact a gigantic company with a humongous market share.

[warped wren]

Not just technology. Everything.

[warped wren]

Ah

[gilded elm]

I wouldn't fault anyone who chooses to work at Hoyoverse or a gacha game studio. Food and bills come first, ethics second.

[twilit mountain]

Hoyoverse games dwarf pretty much every PC or console market with ease lmao

[gilded elm]

Also Tencent, NetEase, so many global Chinese game dev companies.

[warped wren]

Yeah I mean my question was more on technicality than anything else. Afaik gacha games don't really need a lot in terms of "game design" do they

[fierce moth]

I'm confused why paper girls can be popular in this level. If you dislike paper girls, You're out in China

[warped wren]

Just sell b00ba and gambling

[gilded elm]

Haha, hey at least you'll get some good art experience, hopefully

I imagine a gacha studio is a decent place to work for an artist-in-learning.

[twilit mountain]

I don't like them, but Hoyoverse games are legit games even if they are goonbait and gambling.

[jovial bane]

they are, it's just monetisation

[twilit mountain]

Kirra I'd give you a somewhat detailed rundown on why so many people (primarily east Asian men as it's the largest market) are into that kinda stuff, but uh... too much political discussion is interwoven into it for the server.

[jovial bane]

same for say Where Winds Meet

[fierce moth]

Well I never have a chance to join these companies because I'm bad at exams. Excellent university you must have been in and you must know what's the thing you want to work in the whole life when you're still a student + you must have been owned internship in a few game companies.

Strict, extreme strict.

[jovial bane]

tbh that discussion would boil down to "different people, different likes and dislikes"

[warped wren]

I wish lmao

[gilded elm]

That sucks. Chinese game dev market is highly competitive then, I assume.

[twilit mountain]

That's like, the most surface level take possible with no diligence done on research sure

[gilded elm]

I'm a part-time gooner, I just try to stay far away from P2W gacha because of my personal beliefs.

[fierce moth]

China never lack of genius... The question is can they get a chance to be shine

[gilded elm]

A game like Where Winds Meet, I can mostly get behind, though.

[jovial bane]

ofc it does not delve into why, but the broadest stroke would be along those lines

[warped wren]

The unholy terror of trying to have a mature discussion in LE server without risking a ban

[gilded elm]

This is very similar to people in the US who try to apply to the top companies, like Google or Microsoft. It's very challenging to get hired because everyone wants to work there, so you must be the best of the best.

What about indie devs in China? Are there many?

[twilit mountain]

I feel Kain's instincts kick in every time I so much as get close to the big C

[fierce moth]

Yes, more and more game jams and indie game showcase happen in different cities but a long way to develop the general market. Many new indie game studios promoted themselves by the 1st game trailer on bilibili last year

[gilded elm]

Have you gone to any game jams yet? You should!

[fierce moth]

🤔 Find friends to join together is a big problem. Have joined global game jam 2024, the theme was laugh

How will you make a game to let players laughing? It was what I must thought

[gilded elm]

I don't know what the equivalent of itch.io is for China, but there should be some kind of online game dev community where you can find game jam teammates, right?

[sudden anchor]

Is there a place I can learn more about your views on C?

[fierce moth]

Maybe... they need a tool for direct use of voxel assets at first. Unity or ue5 can't support voxel art style well

[gilded elm]

Kirra, I will be honest here. You cannot be picky about art style. You need any kind of game dev experience.

Voxel art is just one of many styles and it's not very popular in game dev in general.

[fierce moth]

Yes, so I learning 2d art by acrylic painting

[gilded elm]

That's good, but do you know how you are going to transfer this skill to digital art?

In a way that can be used in games?

Are you learning the basics of 2D game art? Tilesets, sprites etc?

[fierce moth]

https://eleventhhourgames.bamboohr.com/careers/129
Yes, like this role.

[gilded elm]

This is for a 3D role, I mean skills that would be useful for you in a game jam for a 2D game for example. You need to learn how to use tools like Photoshop (or Krita, which is free and very good), game engines like Godot or Unity. Knowing how to create art is only one part of the job, you need to learn how to export your art into a format that can be used in a game.

[twilit mountain]

Not particularly. I don't like DMing people I'm not familiar with, and I distinctly only use voice with friends. (Not to mention that statement was deliberately left somewhat vague so that only those who know me enough understood what I was referring to without doubt)

[fierce moth]

Voxel art helped me to build basic aesthetics after 4 years, acrylic painting... I hope it will help me something too

[desert jasper]

Clearly talking about cheese, mm yes

[jovial bane]

my stupid mind thought about dming RPGs, I clearly should take a rest lmao

[twilit mountain]

Oh gods no, I'd be a terrible DM

[twilit mountain]

Absolutely. Gouda. Hate that shit. (I don't actually know what it tastes like off the top of my head, I've had it maybe three times)

[desert jasper]

Oh I love gouda.
I still find it funny how practically everyone says the name completely wrong

[gilded elm]

There isn't any game artist who only knows art. So I'd definitely recommend learning the skills to bring your art into a game and also be open to learning different kinds of art, instead of focusing on just one thing.

For example, I'm a noob but even I can do basic pixel art with Aseprite. I can add that into a game. I can do a game jam as an amateur pixel artist if I really wanted to. I just don't because I'm not pursuring a career in game development.

[twilit mountain]

Aight I'm curious, how's it supposed to be said?

[desert jasper]

https://translate.google.com/?sl=nl&tl=en&text=gouda&op=translate

The actual dutch pronounciation for it

[mental talon]

Pretty sure and @desert jasper can correct me is it's supposed to be Hou-da (How)

I could have got gaslit all those years ago but I trust the person was teaching me in good faith

[twilit mountain]

Huh. Will keep that in mind.

[desert jasper]

Tbh I only know it because my brother was studying over there back in the day and then when he got back heard us all say it wrong and decided to tell us we are saying it wrong

[jovial bane]

Dutch Gouda tastes amazing

[mental talon]

Similar(ish) where when I was in the military and was traveling and met some cool people we had long talks about stuff and random things like that stuck in my brain now over 10 years later lol

[desert jasper]

I wasn't even allowed for service.
Had had epilepsy tests done and the results were "unclear" so they said yeah no
||Tbh later I did get diagnosis with autism & adhd so they wouldn't have let me in anyway if those had been diagnosed earlier||

On another note
I tried the djinns today
I'm... not actually sure I like how they play

[warped wren]

aren't they just a spell

[twilit mountain]

They're minions

[desert jasper]

They also do their own attack when you cast an offensive spell
has a cooldown
and then they have their spells that you can pick from the ascendancy
But they're very much minions

[twilit mountain]

They're crazy strong if you set it up right, but it's very much a love or hate style of play

[warped wren]

yeah but they only pop up when you command them right?

or is there a passive component as well

[twilit mountain]

No they're always there

[warped wren]

oh I thought they didn't attack normally like persistent minions

[twilit mountain]

Like Nub said, they have an attack that triggers whenever you use an offensive spell, and then their command portions are cooldown based big spells

[desert jasper]

Tbh the fire guy wasn't even out for me all the time
only when doing his animations

[twilit mountain]

Oh weird. Then again I've mostly seen the sand looking guy.

[desert jasper]

Yeah
I wasn't sure which one to go for so I just picked one randomly LUL

[twilit mountain]

Real

[desert jasper]

I could still easily swap it around because the character is not even 30

or just about 30

[fierce moth]

I have no idea which types of people will need art. It's just... No one care about art. Pro artists are too much and even they maybe face the risk of losing the job in game companies because they're not young anymore or just company need to control cost.

What the future of young artists when market don't need more artists?

Oh... Plus AI attack...

No idea... What can I do is do art to heal myself at first.

[gilded elm]

There is always a market for art. Also, game jams are always looking for pixel artists. Lots of teams want artists who can do basic pixel art, because game jams are about creating games in a short amount of time.

Even if pixel art isn't the art you want to base your career on, it's something that you can learn to get your foot in the door through game jams and start to build up experience. You can then say in your portfolio "I worked on XYZ game at XYZ game jam"

[fierce moth]

if we talk about making mini games... I think characters is the area I can't bypass. A game can exist without environment but must own single character

[gilded elm]

Then learn. Learn how to make a basic character and put it in a game.

[fierce moth]

Remind me of fan art I made for baba is you, it's Chinese version of baba is burger. English version is lost.

pixel art animation in baba is you are too cute so I tried to copy the shaking effect

[gilded elm]

That looks good to me? Seems like you have the skills to make characters.

[gilded elm]

This is bad art. Do you think you can make something like this, or even better?

Maybe this is a bigger version.

[fierce moth]

lol... I'm confused why you post a emoji in 3s

[gilded elm]

I'm talking about the image I shared, that's what I mean by bad art.

I made that in 10 minutes.

It's very bad.

[fierce moth]

emmmmm... Well you just need more imagination on what maybe wear by him

[gilded elm]

If you can make something like this, you can join a game jam.

The only thing holding you back is yourself.

[junior oyster]

Plan on buying this next month
https://contentiongames.myshopify.com/products/slay-the-spire-the-board-game-collectors-edition

I really wish I could buy it now but I got practically nothing

[gilded elm]

Keep in mind I have zero talent for art, no experience except a few YouTube videos. I never really pursued art as a skill. But I can still make something basic like that 2D character sprite and that means I can join a game jam as an artist if I wanted to, that's high enough skill.

I've seen video games with worse art than mine that are very successful.

[fierce moth]

Understand, it decided by the fate

[twilit mountain]

Fate isn't real.

[gilded elm]

About as real as astrology

[twilit mountain]

Exactly

[gilded elm]

Whew, that was going to be a hit or miss but glad you agree lmao. As it turns out, many, if not most women seem to believe in astrology and I never understood why.

[twilit mountain]

It's a vocal minority really. A situation of the Internet amplifying a lesser selection to seem much larger than it is.

I've known considerably more women than men in my life, both in person and online, and I think I've met two that genuinely believed in it

[gilded elm]

Yeah that could be it too. My experiences could just skew that way and if I'm being totally honest a lot of my preconception about this comes from Korean culture (which, whatever it's a bit more normal to believe in such things there) but also from the online dating world. Something about women in online dating, they skew towards that.

[twilit mountain]

Online dating is.... how do I put this in a "polite" way... It's a minefield, basically. No matter your gender, it's overwhelmingly populated by the people who are "fringe cases", not to mention pretty much every app is designed not to get you a relationship but to get you to keep coming back and spending money instead.

(I don't blame people for using it, to be clear)

[gilded elm]

Yeah I've started to realize that lmao. On one particular app/site which is both friend and dating focused, I've made way more guy friends who are actually cool people, but the women there looking for partners are just wild.

There's just a ton of astrology-type people, lots of mysticism, not sure if there's a name for these kinds of people.

[twilit mountain]

Superstitious?

[ebon meadow]

U mean astrology or Zodiac ? Astrology is an actual science

[twilit mountain]

May be a bit too encompassing

[twilit mountain]

Astronomy* is an actual science

[gilded elm]

Astrology is not a science lol

[ebon meadow]

Oh yea my bad me that confused astronomy with astrology

Was like what mapping stars and universe is caind of real xdd

[junior oyster]

Seeing the sts board game gameplay makes me want it even more 🥹

[twilit mountain]

Similar words. Like uh... etymology and entomology get mixed up a lot too. One is the study of words and language, and the origins and ways they have changed. The other is the study of insects lol

[junior oyster]

I hate the word taxidermy

Why does it have to do with preserving dead animals t.t

[twilit mountain]

Oh hey, an opportunity for some etymology xdd

[gilded elm]

Not that I'm judging people for religion, the women there are almost all Christian, very few atheist/agnostic, some Catholic. Not sure if that's representative of the demographic at large, or just something skewed by people attracted to online dating.

[twilit mountain]

Christianity (and by proxy Catholicism) is one of the most widespread and followed religions on the planet so there's that.

[gilded elm]

Oh wow yeah I did just look it up, around 2/3s of American women are Christian.

So that is kinda representative of the population at large.

[twilit mountain]

Proud Satanist here (not the theological kind)

[gilded elm]

I need to get me a Satanic Temple membership

They do very good work

[mental talon]

It's a borrowed word. Greek word taxis order/arrangement, derma skin/hide etc. it's why Dermatology is what it is

[twilit mountain]

Bit dirty, wallet been walked on by critters a lot :P

[gilded elm]

They send you a nice plastic card?

[junior oyster]

I mean yea but most people probably automatically think it's something to do with taxis xD

As I did until I found out what it meant

[mental talon]

A lot of English is just borrowed words anyways so shit won't really make sense regardless

[twilit mountain]

It's an optional thing, does cost a little money (not much, like $30) just cuz they're made to order and come with a big ol membership sheet.

[junior oyster]

Ye true

[twilit mountain]

Not like I minded paying though, I've donated to a few different things they've run of my own volition

[warped wren]

Top 3 are Christianity, Islam, Hinduism

Kinda hilarious Hinduism is there tbh

[junior oyster]

India is big

[warped wren]

I am Indian

[gilded elm]

Yeah, easily one of my top orgs I would even consider donating to.

[warped wren]

Putting Hinduism as one religion is kinda funny, no matter what fundamentalists say. The beliefs and practices literally vary every 100km in the country lmao

Or less even

They literally vary between branches of the same family

[gilded elm]

Ayy you guys have a local congregation too, that's cool

[twilit mountain]

This one is a little funny yeah. To the best of my knowledge it's not nearly as widespread (like, region-wise) as the other two and has massive variation, putting the different sects of Christianity in a kiddie pool by comparison lol

[warped wren]

I mean if you use the broad as a barn definition then yes, there's like a billion people following Hinduism

But uhh

The differences are so stark between any two people's practices it's wild

[twilit mountain]

Maine loves its alternative culture, especially in Portland and South Portland area. We got local shops selling TST merch lol

[gilded elm]

That's dope. Checked but nothing local for me lol

[twilit mountain]

I need my roomie to get her license so I can convince her to drive me over to Salem, they run an art gallery and events over there pretty often

[gilded elm]

I was gonna ask if you ever been to Salem, because that Baphomet statue alone seems worth the trip.

[twilit mountain]

I have been in Salem but not for that (yet). Was there for a day trip cuz the town does a lot of cool stuff during late Autumn for Halloween.

[abstract karma]

wtf i read here..

[gilded elm]

Oh yeah, I guess that does make sense... Salem probably pops off during Halloween.

[twilit mountain]

Ohhhh yeah it does. If you're bad with crowds, avoid. Heavily.

[gilded elm]

So many choices

[warped wren]

You guys don't really have crowds tbh

From my POV I mean

[twilit mountain]

We can, it's just dependent on where/what/when. Salem in Halloween time puts up barriers for traffic for most of the city and what were previously streets for multiple lanes of cars are now filled with tens of thousands of people packed shoulder to shoulder at peak times

[warped wren]

Hmm tens of thousands eh? That's sizeable I admit

But I used to travel to work like this 5 days a week

So my perspective is twisted lol

[twilit mountain]

If you want a good time you have to plan either a bit before or a bit after the peak so you can actually walk, otherwise it's kinda miserable

[junior oyster]

Lol yea I've definitely seen the trains in India

Man they get packed

[warped wren]

Like a tin of sardines yep

[gilded elm]

Reminds me of Korean subways during the morning rush hour, it was exactly like this back in the 90s

[warped wren]

Yeah basically the same but more annoying

[junior oyster]

Except I heard it's like this all the time in India

[warped wren]

Rush hour is definitely worse

[gilded elm]

Oh I'm sure it's still like this in Korea, and Japan, and India (obv).

[warped wren]

That said the Delhi Metro is genuinely better than the Toronto one

[gilded elm]

Oh that's NOT rush hour? Well okay then.

[junior oyster]

I've only ever had to take the train once in the UK and that was as part of a school trip to Rhyll

[gilded elm]

Well, if that's what it's like every hour (not just rush hour) then yeah that's super crazy.

[junior oyster]

I might have spelt that city name wrong

[warped wren]

UK Underground is shady af man

Like some places are so sketch

[junior oyster]

Birmingham to Wales actually