One was captured that has Shield aura and drops walls of flames, soooo big fun
#๐โoff-topic
obtuse rune
desert jasper
Do the wolf minions actually do decent dmg?
obtuse rune
When I have so many of them, yes that and I went with minion so they die, they come right back and just do the thing
desert jasper
Right
fierce moth
are you in endgame? Swimming in t15?
obtuse rune
are you in endgame? Swimming in t15?
I'm still doing lower tier map stuff. I was traveling and dealing with family a lot during the holidays
fierce moth
oh so you don't open poe 2 recently
fierce moth
The craving is there tho lol
Judd will allow you to play that I believe.
desert jasper
Not during work hours ๐
fierce moth
Well... Judd can't control his pc ๐
desert jasper
That's irrelevant.
Doing something like playing another game and not doing your actual work is a fast way to get fired
twilit mountain
Depends on your job (and how much doing something on the side pulls away from your work) a bit
Like I knew a dude who did exclusively at home work in data analysis and he would just sit around farming levels in RuneScape while on the clock lol
jade jackal
Most of my work from home friends slack around and play video games
twilit mountain
His bosses didn't care at all, they were like "yeah shit's boring and you don't need to be hyperfocused on it all the time, just make sure it gets done"
jade jackal
There's a lot of dead time at the office anyway between breaks
fierce moth
2 cats made the same choice, crawled into my quilt. Cool, I own warm quilt to sleep tonight
desert jasper
His bosses didn't care at all, they were like "yeah shit's boring and you don't ...
I mean yeah, that kind of thing
I remember at my old work I'd read when I had downtime
Until my superior made a surprise visit and complained
didn't believe me when i showed that at that moment the things are mid process and I can't really do much until it's ready
junior oyster
Alright got this mouse
So far it's pretty nice although it is also something I need to take getting used to
Because I had weights in my previous mouse
Also I might need to get used to the 'rapid fire' button but so far it seems kinda pointless
Good news is that it's fairly out of the way
fierce moth
What the common of gameplay in JRPG is?
twilit mountain
Turn-based combat within a semi or fully linear story focused around a set party of characters.
Final Fantasy is basically the quintessential example of a JRPG. Barring two of them that are MMOs.
fierce moth
๐ค story-focused... So JRPG tend to click different npcs and roll different dialogues๏ผ
it's like visual novel?
sand wigeon
Do you know what Pokemon is?
Pokemon is an alt-JRPG.
Change the Pokemon for team members that are people. Add equipment items. Add dialogue between those character's. JRPG.
twilit mountain
Change the Pokemon for team members that are people. Add equipment items. Add di...
Persona:
Or SMT, take your pick
sand wigeon
Octopath Traveller is a very traditional JRPG. It's styled after mid-number Final Fantasy games.
fierce moth
๐ค are you know any new JRPG's demos are available?
sand wigeon
New JRPG's tend to be full-release games.
You can just emulate an older Final Fantasy game if you're curious about what they are.
desert jasper
Golden Sun my love
twilit mountain
I don't really know on demos, they're not exactly common in the modern game industry. But there are a lot of traditional and alt JRPGs available on Steam still, that range from small indie projects for low prices to AAA market busters that scrape your wallet lol
fierce moth
well...If I pick up a JPRG to learn what JRPG is...What the JRPG which inspired EHG to make le is?
I'll start from that game
twilit mountain
Chrono Trigger I believe
desert jasper
Sadly, the only 2 golden sun games I actually had a copy of were The Lost Age and Dark Dawn
twilit mountain
Chrono Trigger I believe
Bit old now, came out in the mid-90s, but it's genuinely very good albeit kinda long and iirc takes a couple playthroughs to get the "true" ending
fierce moth
.........
junior oyster
๐ค are you know any new JRPG's demos are available?
Trails in the sky 1st chapter
fierce moth
Golden sun, 2001/2002
twilit mountain
A lot of the "gold standard" JRPGs are from the 90s and early 2000s
fierce moth
So Nub is about 10 years old and he know these games already
junior oyster
If you like good graphics the game I mentioned is pretty ok
sand wigeon
I'd say Octopath Traveller is the only modern JRPG with AAA production that is still explicitly styled after early to mid 2000's Final Fantasy games
Final Fantasy has evolved since then
twilit mountain
I'd say Octopath Traveller is the only modern JRPG with AAA production that is s...
I think Bravely Default is in that same vein no? (Quality of it is kinda eh though)
junior oyster
Chrono Trigger I believe
Yep even an ingame item is named after one of the weapons in CT
Rainbow
twilit mountain
Yep even an ingame item is named after one of the weapons in CT
I couldn't remember if Trigger or Cross was the first one xdd
desert jasper
So Nub is about 10 years old and he know these games already
I honestly can't remember why we got Golden Sun: The Lost Age
I think we might've got it in like 2003?
twilit mountain
I played Trigger like... a decade ago? I cannot tell you a singular plot point lmao
sand wigeon
I think Bravely Default is in that same vein no? (Quality of it is kinda eh thou...
Hadn't heard of it so I'm just going to agree
junior oyster
I played Trigger like... a decade ago? I cannot tell you a singular plot point l...
They did time travel better than poe2 at least
twilit mountain
Not a high bar
maiden widget
played chrono trigger the first time this year, absolutely didnt held up throughout the time imo
junior oyster
I play it occasionally
But only the snes version
The tie in to cross makes me cross so I don't play the extra scenes
maiden widget
same, played the snes one on my handheld - feels like one of those games mostly people who played it once already could praise
twilit mountain
played chrono trigger the first time this year, absolutely didnt held up through...
I view a lot of those old games through a lens of "yeah they were amazing 25-30 years ago, but c'mon, modern landscape crushes them in comparison"
maiden widget
still pretty good
desert jasper
It has aged pretty poorly.
maiden widget
if you disregard any mods sure
twilit mountain
Vanilla D2 or even D2R is legitimately unplayable to me
desert jasper
if you disregard any mods sure
Mods aren't base game...
maiden widget
we never said base game
twilit mountain
if you disregard any mods sure
I don't think mods should be considered when judging a game. That's community effort, and distinctly not the actual game.
desert jasper
Well if I say "diablo2" I don't mean "diablo2 with all the great mods"
maiden widget
i think we should judge the ultimate edition available so even mods (that stay true to the original) count for me
desert jasper
Mods don't count for me in the slightest.
twilit mountain
If we judge a game by what modders have done then like, Skyrim is the greatest game ever lmao
desert jasper
If we judge a game by what modders have done then like, Skyrim is the greatest g...
Wait, it isn't?
sand wigeon
It is, actually.
twilit mountain
Wait, it isn't?
I know that's you Todd!
desert jasper
I know that's you Todd!
I'm not Todd
but oh mate, do I have a game for you
maiden widget
same and its a 4h long game similar to crack with cozy looks https://store.steampowered.com/app/3862670/Shelldiver/ 10/10 fun game
gilded elm
lol what mode is this?
gilded elm
same and its a 4h long game similar to crack with cozy looks https://store.steam...
It's gud yeh
Fun little incremental... I think it's an incremental?
gilded elm
Vanilla D2 or even D2R is legitimately unplayable to me
Careful, that's a dangerous opinion! Always interesting to see people defend D2 through rose-tinted glasses. Vanilla D2/D2R is honestly a really bad game by today's standards and it's amazing there are people who think otherwise.
sand wigeon
No more applicable is the word elitist
twilit mountain
Careful, that's a dangerous opinion! Always interesting to see people defend D2 ...
And it is an opinion I will happily uphold until the day I die!
gilded elm
It's almost as if people either never lived through or completely forgot the experience of grinding to 99 and doing Baal runs 24/7 because that's basically all there was to the game.
If I remember, D2R actually changed a lot of things from the vanilla D2 experience to make it more tolerable too.
sand wigeon
Because D2 sucks
Not Dishonored 2. Dishonored 2 is the best in the series.
But Diablo 2 sucks!
gilded elm
Remember that interview Blizzard did on basically the "post-mortem" of D4's initial launch? Basically they admitted they tried to make the game more like D2 and nobody liked it.
gilded elm
Yeah D4 had to steer away from all the D2 influence to get to a state where it's actually pretty good.
twilit mountain
D4 skill tree update soonโข, legitimately very excited
jade jackal
lol what mode is this?
This is overlord arena, a mode that unlocks... idk when exactly
But its basically a condensed boss run arena with crazy scalibility
gilded elm
This is overlord arena, a mode that unlocks... idk when exactly
Maybe after you beat all the rituals? I assume
jade jackal
it scales logarithmically
gilded elm
I've still got a looong way to go.
jade jackal
Cycles 1-2 is making sure your build works, 3-4 is where you ramp everything towards endgame, 5-6 is passage only for lucky builds, 7+ is hell
jade jackal
I think that D4's sales asking price of what was it, 30 dollars, is fair
40 with LoH
gilded elm
Current goal: Get every character to at least level 70 so I can unlock most weapons as well as global passive nodes for each character. Then I'll focus on pushing every character to level 100 for the final weapon unlock.
jade jackal
Most of these are 5-15 levels away
gilded elm
I feel like nodes like this are going to be huge, expecting it to all add up meaningfully.
jovial bane
But with D2 I think it's the same as with Left4Dead. It's a good game, but dated. And the genre innovated a lot in the years since their relase
gilded elm
Most of these are 5-15 levels away
Do you have every character at 100 yet?
jade jackal
yeah, quite a while ago
gilded elm
Ah cool, so you've got every skill unlocked
jade jackal
When you are that juiced by passives and weapons, you go from 1 to 60 on your first run
even more
I think that on the last DLC the first run was 1 to 75
Every skill that currently exists, yeah
They still have tons of new ones in the works
gilded elm
Oh cool, didn't know that. I saw they were working on a different Soulstone game so kinda assumed this one was just in maintenance mode.
jade jackal
I lost count to how many skills even exist in this game
This is just the Swing category
These are the categories
gilded elm
Damn, I'm still missing quite a few just from Swing lol
Dunno how Tiger is a "swing" skill but yeah lol
gilded elm
jade jackal
gilded elm
I built around this skill before, just stacking a ton of Finesse. It was kind of insane lol
And block power
jade jackal
Yeah, you can do finesse to bulwark conversion
gilded elm
jade jackal
There are some cool passives, but i dont get to use that one
This is my most common rune
It supercharges your build with nothing but strong selections
sand wigeon
Depending on how the game calculates skill rarity that seems bad
jade jackal
Reroll mastery makes sure you always bank on those high rarity choices
jade jackal
Depending on how the game calculates skill rarity that seems bad
uncommon choices are usually X2 the value of common ones
sand wigeon
Because if it replaces commons with uncommons but the rarity of higher tiers doesn't go up, then you're reducing your chance for them to be higher tier because you're losing on a selection which reduces the chances
gilded elm
Yeah "Common" rolls are actually so trash if I get a selection of 3 common rolls, I just instantly reroll
sand wigeon
If it cuts out commons and then proportionally raises all other rarities then it's good
Just depends how it's calculated
I've played Soulstone Survivors lol
jade jackal
Elemental flow is another crazy one
gilded elm
I'm still trying to figure out what the best choices are for Banish though. I'm at a point where I think using Banish for active skills is a waste, so I'm currently only using Banish on passives.
jade jackal
double damage on ailments is stupid
and its not just double, its double frequency, which is a massive buff
gilded elm
Oh yeah got that one too, seemed insane
jade jackal
For some classes, i take skill mastery
if they dont have it, i can plug a crazy skillbar buff to something like a Barbarian
and go ham
gilded elm
Yup, Skill Mastery being able to just inject other skills into your pool that normally aren't available is huge.
jade jackal
Im waiting to see what Gamesmithing is going to do with all this tech on their ARPG
gilded elm
I have this one too, but never used it. I can already tell this is stupid strong, but feels kinda boring to just pick the same skill multiple times in a build lol
jade jackal
Yeah, Singular focus is the key to all my gimmick builds
This is typically if i "feel" like leveling is a chore, and pick a combination of an attack with 20 or 50 hits several times
and buff it with some passives on the skillbar
sand wigeon
What about Solstone Survivor's do y'all like?
gilded elm
I guess... it just has the right amount of depth while respecting your time. You can easily get in and satisfy that ARPG craving to put together a build and walk away with some sense of accomplishment.
sand wigeon
ARPG craving..?
gilded elm
I guess you can say that about a lot of Survivors-likes
jade jackal
Soulstone to me hit the hardest
more than Megabonk or deader dead whatever its called, or Vampire
sand wigeon
I mean I've never even heard of most of those
gilded elm
There's no gear or itemization rivaling an actual ARPG
But it's definitely got build depth
sand wigeon
Because it's a video game lol
gilded elm
The game heavily emphasizes building towards synergies
jovial bane
but it does scratch that "mow down hordes of enemies" feel
jade jackal
Soulstone has fun depth as well, it will reward you for not going to obvious metas
sand wigeon
I just don't see the connection between survivors-like and ARPG's I guess
Not like I need to see it
sand wigeon
I'll be frank I thought Soulstone Survivors was amateur, shallow and hollow
Which is whty I asked
gilded elm
Soulstone Survivors emphasizes synergies unlike a lot of other Survivors-likes, and this part is what makes it more like ARPGs than most others IMO
sand wigeon
Soulstone Survivors emphasizes synergies unlike a lot of other Survivors-likes, ...
I don't think you've played the good survivors-likes
Look at God of Weapons, that has so much synergy
gilded elm
I played some God of Weapons, but I could never really get into the vibe of it. Not sure what it was, it just didn't hook me.
jovial bane
I wouldn't call Soulstone Survivors a bad entry in the genre
jade jackal
I wouldn't call Soulstone Survivors a bad entry in the genre
I wouldn't call Half Life a bad entry in the FPS genre lol
sand wigeon
Thanks for explaining what y'all like about it
jade jackal
To each their own eh
gilded elm
I think maybe I just don't like the backpack-style games in general, I mean they don't appeal to me very much.
jade jackal
To me, Soulstone, and its healthy update cycle
gilded elm
If I remember, God of Weapons was a backpack-style game.
sand wigeon
I think maybe I just don't like the backpack-style games in general, I mean they...
That's fair
sand wigeon
If I remember, God of Weapons was a backpack-style game.
It is
sand wigeon
To me, Soulstone, and its healthy update cycle
TBF an update cycle often makes a game worse for me
gilded elm
Isn't there a GoW2 coming out?
sand wigeon
No clue
jade jackal
Soulstone has been linearly and steadily improving. So far they havent messed up fun in the game
There is no update to some of the weaker points, but there's no damage to the stronger ones
gilded elm
I was definitely surprised by how much Soulstone changed since I first played it years ago vs more recently when I gave it a proper shot. Feels like a completely different game.
sand wigeon
I guess I don't mind DLC's when it comes to content cycles
jade jackal
The game overly relies on damage-over-time, but it embraced it
It turned the DoT combat into its own game
gilded elm
Soulstone needs more DoT tbh, Burn/Poison/Bleed gets boring :P
gilded elm
Doom technically isn't DoT, I don't think
jade jackal
Doom is technically a DoT, just fragmanted
sand wigeon
It's damage that occurs overtime
gilded elm
There's other games that do Doom-like thing, can't remember though.
sand wigeon
20 Minutes Until Dawn
jade jackal
Many ARPGs have Doom-like mechanics
sand wigeon
Death Must Die
jade jackal
Hell, even Diablo 3 has this effect
sand wigeon
That one directly states its inspired by ARPG's and survivors-likes
So yeah
It's a fusion
jade jackal
Megabonk i believe has something similar
sand wigeon
I have no opinion on slop (I know nothing about Megabonk)
I honestly kinda hate it when I go back to a game and there's just an explainable amount of new stuff
gilded elm
I don't know if I'd categorize Megabonk as slop. It's got good presentation, mechanics, music, characters etc. It makes me want to try Risk of Rain 2.
jade jackal
I don't know if I'd categorize Megabonk as slop. It's got good presentation, mec...
I think it was just a snarky comment
sand wigeon
It's just a Dani game
They're not made to be of exceptional quality
They're good because they're usually made in a short time frame
twilit mountain
As a massive RoR fan, 2 is the most flawed entry by far.
sand wigeon
I'd say play Returns first
jovial bane
wasn't RoR2 a very beloved game that was ruined by one of the updates ?
twilit mountain
No
sand wigeon
Because if you don't like baseline Returns gameplay you won't like advanced RoR2
sand wigeon
wasn't RoR2 a very beloved game that was ruined by one of the updates ?
No
It had a buggy update mid developer switch and has been continuously supported since then
jovial bane
idk why I had that impression then
twilit mountain
It was "ruined" in the sense that one of the updates was pushed out too early by Gearbox and it was very bugged for all of like two weeks lol
gilded elm
RoR2 is still a beloved game as far as I could tell
sand wigeon
Yeah
twilit mountain
it's still incredibly well received
sand wigeon
Gearbox's newest DLC is beloved by the community as the best DLC released
gilded elm
A game as old as it is, still pulling 12k concurrent daily. That at least indicates it's a huge success.
sand wigeon
Age doesn't have much to do with it
It receives base-game sized DLCs regularly
If you're going to "get into" RoR2 my recommendation is to play the DLC's in order, one by one. Disable them all, play the base game to relative completion, enable the first DLC, so on.
There is way too much stuff for a new player to absorb if they're all enabled at the same times.
twilit mountain
I am personally very very biased towards Returns as I believe it catches the essence of roguelites far better than 2 does. I personally also find that the end boss for Returns is an infinitely better fight than the base game boss of 2 and it's not even really a contest.
sand wigeon
The base game final boss of RoR2 is a joke lol
gilded elm
Aren't those games in a different perspective, though? When I first played Megabonk, it really did feel like a Survivors-like but in third-person 3D and when I saw everyone comparing it to Risk of Rain 2 that's what got me wanting to try RoR2 and I ended up buying it for my backlog to try at some point.
sand wigeon
RoR1/Returns is an action sidescroller roguelite and RoR2 is an action over-the-shoulder roguelite
gilded elm
Yeah, that sounds familiar. Reason I never got into RoR1/Returns is most likely the sidescrolling aspect. I typically don't play sidescrollers/platformers/metroidvanias (I know these are all different, they have have fundamentally the same camera perspective)
twilit mountain
Returns is a remake (and infinitely better version) of the original Risk of Rain, which is a 2D side scrolling roguelite. RoR2 is a 3D third person roguelite that leans a lot into almost horde shooter gameplay imo. I like 2. Don't misunderstand me. But I don't think it's good as a sequel to the original.
sand wigeon
Perhaps you should broaden your horizons
twilit mountain
A lot of the characters got "reimagined" in 2 and lost huge amounts of their identity imho
gilded elm
I try, it doesn't always work. I have a rather large collection of 2D side-camera games, just none have really pulled me in.
jovial bane
ah, story of me and shooters in general
gilded elm
I like the whole Korean cyberpunk theme of this game, still couldn't get past an hour of it despite the gameplay being pretty good.
gilded elm
I tried, I didn't get very far in that either lmao
sand wigeon
I think you're just boring
gilded elm
gilded elm
I think you're just boring
It's true :(
sand wigeon
Like someone who only reads memoirs
gilded elm
Some impressive entries there to 100% lol
gilded elm
One of these days, I will play it
gilded elm
It was GOTY wasn't it? Means I have to at least try :P
sand wigeon
I don't think so
twilit mountain
Just play DS3, it's better
sand wigeon
It's a mess of recycled content with poor performance, a poorly designed world, poor writing and one of the worst, most inconsistent DLC's I've ever seen
sand wigeon
Just play DS3, it's better
If you want to play a From Soft game, play Dark Souls 3 or Sekiro
Sekiro is IMO the best thing From Soft has ever released
And has an actually good story
gilded elm
Just play DS3, it's better
I'm not a very good Souls-like player, so I might appreciate Elden Ring more seeing it's often praised as a more accessible title to the genre.
twilit mountain
It's "accessible" because if you spend three hours hunting down resources you can just overlevel everything
sand wigeon
Sekiro is probably easier than both
gilded elm
That's what I mean, ER lets you approach the game with a more traditional RPG mindset of grinding and outleveling challenges.
Or so it's said.
sand wigeon
That's because Sekiro is just a rythym game though
twilit mountain
It's not grinding Byte
sand wigeon
That's what I mean, ER lets you approach the game with a more traditional RPG mi...
It's not an RPG
gilded elm
Yeah Sekiro is fun and yeah it's basically a rhythm game and not really a Souls-like in the same sense as the others.
sand wigeon
And pick up shit off the ground
Sometimes literally
sand wigeon
Yeah Sekiro is fun and yeah it's basically a rhythm game and not really a Souls-...
That's because it's better
I sat there, playing Elden Ring, hoping I'd see some semblance of great in it
twilit mountain
Uh....
gilded elm
I definitely had more fun with Sekiro than Souls-likes
sand wigeon
I think I still stand by what I had said on release, that it's their first attempt at a game like this and that I hope their future versions are better, but the DLC may have disproved that notion
sand wigeon
I definitely had more fun with Sekiro than Souls-likes
Then just play Sekiro, frankly
You don't need to play the others
gilded elm
I need to beat Rhythm Doctor first
twilit mountain
Oh you're in hell
gilded elm
It's fundamentally a super simple game, or seems like. Just gotta know how to count? lol
But yeah... not as easy as it sounds
sand wigeon
Where are you in it?
gilded elm
Only in the second part
twilit mountain
It relies on one's ability to track and interpret music and rhythm more than most other games like it, by often breaking its own auditory rhythm and forcing the player to effectively train it into themselves
gilded elm
Basically only finished the "counting to 7" part of the game lol
sand wigeon
You're in the "very easy" section of the game for clarity
gilded elm
Yup
gilded elm
I'm by no means a musically inclined person, this game has been especially difficult for me when they expect me to keep up with the rhythm on my own.
sand wigeon
I think the best way to do it is to stop looking at the visuals
Since the visuals are meant to throw you off
gilded elm
Theoretically you should be able to just close your eyes and play the game by counting, no?
sand wigeon
Correct
That's pretty much what I do
I filter out my visual input from my bodily eaction and keep my active train of thought on observing the visuals for their art while the back of my mind counts the metronome
Helps me to seperate the inputs if I count out loud, since it takes away from the mental strain and lets it just lie on repeatedly counting
gilded elm
Yep, same. Find myself counting out loud as well
Honestly I should play it more. I'm trying to learn basic music theory as well because I want to learn how to play guitar beyond just memorizing chords, but actually understanding the concepts and being able to create music.
sand wigeon
Aye
gilded elm
@jade jackal Do you know how this works, exactly?
jade jackal
I believe its a basic multiplicative buff to all multicast chance
gilded elm
Hm, interesting. Weird for the rune to be phrased this way
jade jackal
It should increases extra cast per chance
gilded elm
Is Cast Frequency a trap? Seems like Multi-Cast is generally better.
jade jackal
Depends on the improvement
Sometimes i pick cast frequency if its bucket has higher damage bump
Say from 0 to -10%, implies 10% multiplicative damage increase
cast freq also helps with some buff ramps
gilded elm
Yeah I've only been focusing Cast Freq for buffs, just to make sure they're always on
jade jackal
Multicast buff takes a nosedive after 200%
simply from a mathematical point of view, its additive effect becomes very mild
gilded elm
Not all Multi-Cast is additive, is it? Are there other sources of Multi-Cast which are multiplicative?
I wish the buckets were better documented.
gilded elm
I see. So basically just stacking too much of one thing, regardless of where it comes from, is generally not a good idea. For a truly multipicative effect, you want to mix different types of bonuses, so you want both Cast Freq and Multi-Cast for example.
jade jackal
cast freq is multiplicative, just from 0
yeah, definitely both freq and multi
always punch into the more significant bucket at that point
and if you have to cover some passives early game, you could prefer freq
I dont take any passive duration / cooldown because i just cover all of it with freq
The best way to cover long cooldown passives, ideally, is multi-skill proccing, of course
but those usually arrive by the time you already have 100% uptime on buffs
gilded elm
You said Leviathan is a multiplicative bonus to Damage% though, right? How come that one is special? lol
Is it because it also has a downside?
jade jackal
Well, you get movement speed cut
but yeah, ramping Leviathan when you have tons of MS is great
gilded elm
Worth picking up Lightning Surge just so you can gigastack Leviathan?
Like the skill slot tradeoff is worth it?
(Lightning Surge being the movement speed buff)
jade jackal
Its definitely wrorth the experiment. Personally im not huge on it taking a skill slot
Remind me, can surge amplify movement speed with skill level?
or is it fixed 45%?
gilded elm
It has Potency upgrades
jade jackal
oh ok
gilded elm
So it can get crazy
jade jackal
Its definitely worth a try if you have tons of luck with the Leviathans
but you better also have luck with your main damage sources for all those
gilded elm
If I remember... there was something that scaled damage based off of movement speed
Might've been a skill
gilded elm
I have to try that. Because yeah you can get a ton of Potency upgrades on Lightning Surge and just have ridiculous move speed. When I was stacking Potency, it was actually difficult to move around.
Because each movement would zoom me across the screen lol
jade jackal
yeah in some modes zooming actually hurts you
Leviathan is a legit protection mechanism
jade jackal
I leave Leviathan for runs where im already properly juiced on speed
never an early game pick
gilded elm
Yeah... especially not good early for a character that has bad movement speed lol
twilit mountain
Biiiiig money
twilit mountain
The flat alone puts it at 75d, the leech sets it over 150
twilit mountain
I listed for 350 for now, will lower as needed
twilit mountain
I'm wondering if I wanna grind for anything more now that this is done
What's a weapon
warped wren
damn that crit chance is a beaut
twilit mountain
It does literally nothing
warped wren
twilit mountain
There are three mods on that item for me. +melee, armor break, and extra fire. Rune for extra chaos. The corruption implicit, crit, and flat damage literally never applies in any of my gameplay
warped wren
ah
twilit mountain
Shield gaming means that you basically don't have a weapon
The only reason I have a mace is because it's the cheapest way to get +5 lol
twilit mountain
Different form of money
warped wren
just need to hit global defense instead of accuracy
twilit mountain
Just mana, levels, and flat ES send it over 20d lmao
warped wren
yeah if you remove the accuracy it's gg
twilit mountain
I'll let someone braver go for it
I ain't paying for the Lights
I am however very tempted to gamble my frac on this T1 % phys crossbow I found
warped wren
I ain't paying for the Lights
eh?
it's a prefix essence
it will 100% hit prefixes only
because they're full
twilit mountain
Oh right. I forgot that was an essence
warped wren
ya
even the unveil mod you're referring to is a prefix
but I think int suffix is fine
twilit mountain
I am however very tempted to gamble my frac on this T1 % phys crossbow I found
Opinion btw?
warped wren
is always 50/50, if it hits you win, if it bricks you're cooked
how much is a t1 %phys anyway, 20d? 30d?
twilit mountain
Idk
warped wren
desolate or siege?
twilit mountain
Desolate
warped wren
ya it's 20+ for sure
depends a bit on %age
if suffix is empty it's probably a LOT more
twilit mountain
2 suffs, one is Mark
twilit mountain
Should be a 33/33/33 for frac right?
warped wren
ya, you put one mark of the abyssal lord
if you're gonna fracture I'd divine it before trying obviously
warped wren
if the fracture hits it's straight up ~100d
twilit mountain
You can attempt to salvage via recomb if it misses right?
Or did they say no fun allowed
twilit mountain
Ah well. I have a selection of high value things listed. Just hope they sell.
twilit mountain
-10 twice in a row to rendering errors RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
fierce moth
375+ messages 
Long time not see this channel is quite active
fierce moth
do buff for map boss increase poorly on available rare loots? I feel loots from map bosses are quite poor
warped wren
I mean, rarity is rarity, I've had the occasional divine drop from bosses, but the use of that tablet is to benefit from the boss tree
getting free +1 area level, 30% chance of corruption (more mobs), an extra mechanic, etc. etc.
fierce moth
....??????? Deadly? 2 versions it have? Rewards will more?
๐ค I think boss rewards just poorly buffed
emmmm Maybe I should cut the right path. I need more effects for affixes on tablets
maiden widget
Fun little incremental... I think it's an incremental?
Yep and a pretty compact one that's why I enjoyed it a lot. Just the right amount of time waste for me.
fierce moth
:)
Still can't 100% defence projectiles it shot
fierce moth
:)
We're died together
fierce moth
The 1st disposable tablet I get
fierce moth
Damn this unique map is the peak. Holy lots of loots without combats?!
I never see so many vaults available. Amazing
fierce moth
well...I don't find anything very rare from vaults of Kamasa unfortunately
fierce moth
Alright. My damage is too poor for any citadels.
But I know what will I face in different citadels at least... ||They're repeat final bosses in act 1-3|| but under uber difficulty
The commonality of all citadels is hallow paths; these maps have so little safe space, even in combat with white mobs
fierce moth
https://store.steampowered.com/app/4212050/Supreme_Experiment/
My Jesus. Game graphics already have to reach this level to be funded????
I'm quite scared. Reality + fantasy is doomed to money-consuming. The price... I don't think I can afford that :(
Alright, I understand what Nub's meaning on "Official trailers are enough if someone want to do fanart"
It's the feeling of SE gave me
...Make sense. Film production background help them to tell a story by environments a lot
I feel the trailer is a short film indeed xd
blood message have a competer game now hhhh
fierce moth
which day is it today? Jan. 06th.
Ok I hope I can complete the fan art in a month.
gilded elm
This dragon sucks ๐
desert jasper
Sharpened my cooking knife yesterday and it feels so good to cut things with it now
fierce moth
..100% disconnect if I want to buy the belt from someone who own a kraken's cove hideout.
Is it cursed?
twilit mountain
Might be a bugged instance
junior oyster
I'm a little concerned as to why you are buying belts with such low stats
Oh I guess for levelling
Nvm me then
fierce moth
This ritualistโs build is hungry for strength...
warped wren
I have nothing else I wanna do except maybe upgrade a bit of gear
friend gave me some divs and stuff so maybe I finish that and call it a league
fierce moth
๐ค ok I'm ready to take the 1st try for a melee character fight with Mektul, the boss in molten vault
alright I'm killed by explosion of spikes. Reasonable
junior oyster
Kirra I'm sure you'd love melee in terraria
Although tbf melee is probably better in that game than poe2
fierce moth
๐
desert jasper
Kirra if you take it that far you have way too little damage
What is your main dmg type there even?
fierce moth
Time to use power of exalted orb again. Let me buy a upgraded spear
desert jasper
Bleed?
fierce moth
yes
desert jasper
You should have Rapid Assault, stack 5 of that and then use thunderous leap to detonate the spearheads
it's way better than that skill you're using
junior oyster
Time to use power of exalted orb again. Let me buy a upgraded spear
Is it really the item or is it your build that is lacking?
fierce moth
You should have Rapid Assault, stack 5 of that and then use thunderous leap to d...
https://poe.ninja/poe2/pob/120b1
I just following this guide
figure out which support gems are needed for different skills is out of my box
junior oyster
What guide? Isn't that endgame?
fierce moth
follow its passive tree, skills and support gems
desert jasper
You really shouldn't do that for a build that's already in end game unless you know what you're doing.
junior oyster
Yea but levelling builds can be totally different
Sometimes you have to almost completely swap out of a levelling build to start an endgame build
warped wren
https://poe.ninja/poe2/pob/120b1
I just following this guide
Where's the guide
That's a character snapshot in endgame
Which can look VERY different from the levelling phase
sand wigeon
I often completely swap out my passive tree once I hit endgame because it just wasnโt viable to go that route during leveling
warped wren
๐
And if you're doing this little damage, you can literally buy a better spear for the exalts you'll be slamming
junior oyster
I'm not sure but she might be following this build guide?
https://maxroll.gg/poe2/build-guides/bleed-rake-amazon-build-guide
desert jasper
Tbh I don't usually care to do lvling build
if it means i'll have a rough time while lvling i just accept it
warped wren
Rough time is one thing, failing Molten Vault dps check is another
twilit mountain
This is why I always level spear builds with thorns. It just works. Class doesn't matter, it's beyond free.
warped wren
oh cool the spare HH sold
back to RNG crafting hell
dammit it hit t1 life instead of t1 flat armor
fudgesickles
fierce moth
๐ New spear better a lot, but still not enough
warped wren
game didn't give me what I want but kinda hard to complain here
fierce moth
?! Just realize I have a new support gem slot for blood boil
junior oyster
๐
New spear better a lot, but still not enough
It's practically the same
abstract karma
๐
New spear better a lot, but still not enough
ikd how chaos is count in dmg showcase but act 3 should be around 1.5k dmg min for easy boss running..
so i find it weird how low values of dps you have
junior oyster
Also just fyi that boss is totally optional and can be ignored
warped wren
bruh
twilit mountain
Hersik I have literally no clue what you're talking about
twilit mountain
Now imagine how absurd that would be with PoE1 armor calcs
abstract karma
Hersik I have literally no clue what you're talking about
that his dps is just low for what i see in that video ?
Idk how DPS is count for type of chaos attacks since it can have many multipliers which don't need to be count in final dmg output number..
(same as PoE 1 tooltip)
junior oyster
that his dps is just low for what i see in that video ?
Idk how DPS is count fo...
Her*
abstract karma
It's all phys
Ok abstractly - damage over time then >.> for god sake with your pedant terminology..
Fact remains that these values seems to me too low for all these supports which she already has
twilit mountain
Her damage is low because she's trying to level as a build you don't level as. Plain and simple. Bleed builds do not ramp well early unless you're using a giant "payoff" type skill to apply it like Hammer Of The Gods. Doesn't matter how many supports you shove in if the scalar doesn't come online until late game.
Also, saying someone is being pedantic because you're saying shit that has an entirely different meaning does not do you any favors
abstract karma
I don't find such problems in PoE 1 with DoT which means that PoE 2 has again holes with what you can use as possible leveling then
warped wren
I don't find such problems in PoE 1 with DoT which means that PoE 2 has again ho...
yes.
do not compare the two games, they work very differently
twilit mountain
Fr. Like, caster leveling in PoE1 is p!ss (why is this word censored when I can say dogshit in the same message) easy. Slap in Rolling Magna until level 38 and that's all you need. In 2 though? Have fun scrounging for every single skill level you possibly can because your damage is absolute dogshit otherwise.
junior oyster
I feel the same way with srs xD
As soon as I get srs in poe1 I'm winning
PoE2? Why are they doing no damage
abstract karma
Is difference one skill and whole DoT features which spear wanna push on you from start
If leveling of spear using bleeding DoT as one of main elements is freaky weak or unbalanced then there is something wrong..
In that case even simple Stab would probably helped in that fight more than focus on blood build
junior oyster
I mean we aren't denying that there is wrong with poe2 though
But there are also weak skills/builds in poe1 too
abstract karma
Well whole mine poin started that to me it seemed weird to see 5 supports and only 800 dmg
twilit mountain
Leveling spears you're actually encouraged to do elemental hit based skills. Not bleed.
junior oyster
It's not poe1 lol
twilit mountain
Lightning Spear is a meta skill for a reason. It comes online immediately and it rips endgame maps to shreds.
warped wren
lul used a whittling on my ammy to get rid of t6 evasion and it gave me t2 %armor instead
amazing use of 12d
twilit mountain
lul used a whittling on my ammy to get rid of t6 evasion and it gave me t2 %armo...
Good or bad result, I can't tell if the amazing is sarcastic
twilit mountain
Gotcha. And fair.
desert jasper
rip
gilded elm
Excuse me
twilit mountain
Crocodiles and treasure. Makes sense to me.
gritty merlin
/deaths 12480 times :)))
junior stirrup
fierce moth
Single cream puff + HK milk tea, satisfying after-brunch dessert
fierce moth
lmao GGG's CM team is quite creative.
I just tortured by act 1-3 final bosses recently then... Act 1 VS Act 2 here. Good job!
๐ค emmmm? The result is unexpecting
lol alright.
So 1d is the reasonable price for that +5 projectile skills spear
Melee skills bonus are much more valuable than projectile skills bonus
fierce moth
I killed tornado bird in the 1st try, cool :)
desert jasper
Feels like today is going to be a good day for gaming
desert jasper
Yeah I definitely would've failed that fight if it took that long
gilded elm
Dammit, I suck at these games lol
fierce moth
wifi is dead. Mobile internet is too unstable. Alright I can't practice the boss combat now...
Use mobile data to access poe 2 is like playing slides
desert jasper
fierce moth
do some painting instead
jade jackal
Dammit, I suck at these games lol
Crimson Desert will change your mind
jovial bane
Dammit, I suck at these games lol
Not the worst attempt, but you attack too much. Deflect the boss, and weave in attacks when they are open.
Some latter bosses cannot be tanked without tank specs, because their attack will eat half of your HP bar.
Also with umbrella being ranged you want to pepper the enemy with attack, charge it up (the blossoms on the UI) toss it in the air then switch weapon and continue attacking. It will keep firing even if you switch the gear
fierce moth
do he win or the boss win?
ebon meadow
Screw deflecting lol double swords and keep the guy pinned with frog leap
Also I heard the fan is a very good self cure
gilded elm
Not the worst attempt, but you attack too much. Deflect the boss, and weave in a...
Yeah I ended up ditching umbrella, trying out long sword / spear atm which suits me better. I'll probably try out the other melee stuff as well
jovial bane
Also I heard the fan is a very good self cure
fan has absurd self-cure
we are talking about healing entire HP bar with Q
But umless you've beatem the boss at least one you have 90% healing penalty so it's not helping that much outside of farming
And for breaking army you are worried about the timer anyway
gilded elm
I have made a huge mistake
desert jasper
Seems fine to me
vagrant topaz
Castle Cake I make for my kid's 5th birthday
desert jasper
Hope the kid enjoyed it
vagrant topaz
Its this afternoon
desert jasper
Well, hope he enjoys it then
fierce moth
โ๏ธ
vagrant topaz
Novelmore playmobil
fierce moth
playmobil is a brick set brand?
https://www.playmobil.com/en-gb/web-shop/novelmore/
as similar as lego
thanks for the promotion
Dinner's dessert: Konjac balls milk tea
yes 2nd cup of milk tea I drunk.
Big brain for milk tea...
ebon meadow
Novelmore playmobil
, why does it looks so cool ๐
And I just realised that St. Andrews flag is the Scottish one
fierce moth
I'm interested in what's inside more
the flavour of cake and cream
๐ค I'm ready daily questions for Van
fierce moth
Towel licking yarn, towel and yarn are sleepy.
fierce moth
I think I like this snap the most
obtuse rune
Castle Cake I make for my kid's 5th birthday
HAPPY BIRTHDAY KIDDO~!
maiden widget
Nice cake 
fierce moth
... First time to touch invoice and 100% no idea how to edit a invoice lol
"what the hell?"
I never know invoice can be generated by apps before
I even thought "how am I use the invoice to exchange money"
Realize it's a different thing with transfering money is a later thing
(I went to bank app to search how to make a invoice at the beginning.)
gilded elm
I never know invoice can be generated by apps before
Invoice is just a bill, with itemized products or services provided and amount owed. "We provided this and this, you owe us this amount of money"
fierce moth
What a cool thing discord orb is. I stacked many orbs so I can start 3-day nitro whenever I like
junior oyster
Yep she looks whimsical
gilded elm
She could be, we'll see what her skills and dialog look like lol
What I really wanted though was more content for the game, kinda sad they bailed on that plan and went with a new class, which is still a good idea but I hope they go back to trying to design new content
vagrant topaz
Slormancer ?
gilded elm
Slormancer ?
Ya
vagrant topaz
Noice
ebon meadow
<:Gregory:1328320850675630224> What a cool thing discord orb is. I stacked many ...
This is why I like twitch prime and now discord free little loot for doing something u do everyday ,everyone likes free stuff and spetially mtx helps to invest in theme so much .
Had that mokoko for like 3 years as my screen
Changed it this year
I have a problem with liking color blue yes
junior oyster
Are we showing our homescreens right now?
ebon meadow
I care so little for my phone but sure
junior oyster
ebon meadow
That X better open when u swipe or open app
ebon meadow
My oppo A1 is still holding ground
junior oyster
That X better open when u swipe or open app
Oh it does
ebon meadow
But I give it a year
ebon meadow
Oh it does
Nice
ebon meadow
My lockscteen is always be a warlock though
Horde is life
Ally phones had a warlock rather lock screens or wall
junior oyster
This is how it works https://youtu.be/KAyDmny2LBE?t=113
junior oyster
My lockscteen is always be a warlock though
I tend to not put stuff like that
Not my kind of style
ebon meadow
This is how it works https://youtu.be/KAyDmny2LBE?t=113
That's sick I like it
junior oyster
Yea it's hard to notice with the apps in the way lol
ebon meadow
Now make it a cover so it does it when u put it down on a magnet charger
junior oyster
I don't use gimmicks
Even if some of the features of this phone are gimmicks I only bought it for the price
Also not sure this phone accepts magnetic charging
desert jasper
My phone background is just one of the default ones
ebon meadow
Apparently new iPhones only charge on plate and I have friends that somehow broke the input cable completely
junior oyster
I'll never buy an iPhone for myself
After seeing the red magic 11 pro I kinda wish my old phone died this year lol
desert jasper
Yeah, they'd have to pay me to use iphone
ebon meadow
wothabilty and durability along with savefty iphone is really there , the price is a nono for any 99.8 companys world wide to provide them as work tool
but they are really a nokia of phones today still
just as reference u never can beat 3310
the reason i choose oppo last time is just for the camera and 5-6 month after national fkn geagrphic stated to use them for filming
my phone went from 152 euro to 416
junior oyster
wothabilty and durability along with savefty iphone is really there , the price ...
Safety I agree with
You'd have to be an idiot to get hacked or something
The rest regarding apple? I disagree
warped wren
kek double U
ebon meadow
i saw my neibourhood using an emulator that is on app store and basicly is androind , thaey are slacking
junior oyster
Apple is known to push out updates that kills the battery slowly. They are more careful with it now but we know they did it before because of their fine heh
ebon meadow
Apple is known to push out updates that kills the battery slowly. They are more ...
its not just the batery its the wole ios
they literally self destruct on updates on old devices
windows does same
ebon meadow
windows does same
my windows is literally taring me now to update , mf says no defender updates but my chrome is lagging already
junior oyster
Chrome ๐คข
ebon meadow
like i can already feel that they are pushing me to update thats stupid
junior oyster
If you are going to use a Chromium browser it's probably better to use Brave or even Edge lol
ebon meadow
u never had issues with chrome i dont need to change my browser also i keep tops 5 tabs open that might be why xd
junior oyster
I mean enjoy your ads then lol
ebon meadow
i canmot be asked to shopve everything on the chrome to anything else , bookmarks etc even cookies
ebon meadow
I mean enjoy your ads then lol
that is very true
the worst for me is not pop ups but the actual adds on the video
YT is going really fkn far
junior oyster
Chrome also loads slower than Edge in my experience
At work we are only allowed to use Chrome and Edge
I use Edge
ebon meadow
playing PoE and clicking of adds is like back to playing StarCraft
junior oyster
Still allows ublock and loads faster
ebon meadow
Chrome also loads slower than Edge in my experience
it never did for me and i heard this before , its just starting now to bring hate lol and i already know its windows not actual chrome
junior oyster
ebon meadow
i used to get 0 adds twitch and yt like a 8 month ago and before for very long time as long as i watched it very long time
now it doesnt matter u still get pinned with adds
ebon meadow
chrome has been really good for me for very long time and all the password saves are helpful, otherwise i have to get a physical notebook out and read when i want to log in
my country TV is a havoc of adds ( literally 25 mints sometimes or more on sitcoms) i stopped using it
i havent had tv cable for last 12 years
internet adds have not even grassped the audacity
desert jasper
Yeah, real fun watching tv for like 10minutes and then getting 10minutes of ads
junior oyster
Lol
ebon meadow
basicly YEP
how do u stretch a 24 mint episode of big bang theory in to 1 hour and 20 mints
same goes for anime and this how we watched DBZ
warped wren
double corupt pog ?
nah just single
I only wanted the extra socket and it gave me that
80% reduced curse effect on me now, so I'm good
ebon meadow
I only wanted the extra socket and it gave me that
out of curiousity how many auras u pulling on that ?
like spirit reservation
warped wren
Herald of Ice, Charge Regulation, Combat Frenzy, Cannibalism 2, Vitality 2, Herbalism 1, Precision 1
193 spirit
though I have 8 left over
ebon meadow
ohh lord i need to make a spirit staker one day
that sounds amazing
and i m fkn trying to fix my res here at level 50+ xdd
ebon meadow
first rule to pin point in to u head in poe1 a nightmare in poe2
fair i m not dooing temples but holy how do u play ssf in this early start
i died 90 times i would delete the character at this point in an arpg
but i love my bear
warped wren
I have no idea about ssf, I don't bother
poo2 is not well designed for ssf IMO
poe1 sorta kinda is but only if you have a lot of hours to burn
but honestly both are designed around trade more than anything
unlike LE
ebon meadow
i play like a half of ssf i dont sell shit i just farm and buy things what i need for char and thats like 3 purchases going wild
i cant be asked even now with all auto trades xdd
just want to kill monsters mate
xp is my loot
also this boi is so cute
gilded elm
Damn, strudel.cc is super cool. Coding music.
You have found strudel, a new live coding platform to write dynamic music pieces in the browser! It is free and open-source and made for beginners and experts alike.
warped wren
pretty good now I think: https://poe.ninja/poe2/pob/163dd
warped wren
Lmao
PoB2 doesn't account for Guard yet, but I get 1622 from Olroth's
which is very, very nice
-34% rarity quite good too
more levers to pull
now I only have just barely enough currency to juice my next set of maps for when I find a corruption zone
gilded elm
Stupid bears
fierce moth
lol...alright I made a mistake before, this mistake is quite simple...
I don't use all skills. 
Never cast spearfield before so I tried that and it worked in the lova blocks phrase! Then I slain him.
Pretty easy.
Pure melee can't kill him because I'll waste time from 2 lova blocks phrases
Back to the loot, I thought a quest item will drop? Is it edited? Don't he drop a quest hammer?
Edit: Oh GGG don't give us quest item now. Just get rewards from regular npc directly
fierce moth
ritualist VS viper is quite easy lol
fierce moth
I hope I can use Google app set like you :(
My layout is 3 files includes everything. Click it to open a app.
(I want to show the only voxel wallpaper I made actually)
fierce moth
A holy bird.
fierce moth
Get a logic for a drink:
Pear juice + mangosteen juice + lemon juice + green tea + ices
Pear juice is the most hard one to get some ๐ค
desert jasper
Back to the loot, I thought a quest item will drop? Is it edited? Don't he drop ...
the quest item only drops on the first kill of the league
gilded elm
Yay, I can finally use my Lightness skills in the first region lol
fierce moth
@vagrant topaz can I ask your wife a question about masks?
Question: Which ingredients cause many masks are extremely expensive? Which ingredients should I notice if I want masks feel less sticky and more watery (which ingredients do she prefers on masks)?
Skin care is a money-consuming work, I don't have enough money to do trials and errors ๐
My face always feel quite dry, I used 2 masks and I spread face cream 3 times at least per day, but it's not work yet
The price range of masks is super vast
sudden anchor
I make my own.
Ingredients:
2 tablespoons plain yogurt (moisturizing, soothes skin)
1 teaspoon honey (antibacterial, hydrating)
1 teaspoon oatmeal (gentle exfoliation)
Optional: few drops of lemon juice (brightening, only if skin isnโt sensitive)
Instructions:
Mix yogurt, honey, and oatmeal in a small bowl until smooth.
Add lemon juice if desired, mix well.
Apply a thin layer to clean face, avoiding eyes.
Leave on for 10โ15 minutes.
Rinse with lukewarm water and pat dry.
Apply moisturizer afterward.
For dry skin use avocado mash too.
fierce moth
My skin is mixed, T-area is oily but cheeks and skins near eyes are dry.
My cheeks just never feel getting enough water ๐
fierce moth
Get a logic for a drink:
Pear juice + mangosteen juice + lemon juice + green te...
Oh remind of a problem. Do it sour?
Just purchased a bottle of pineapple & passion fruit juice because I want sour juices
I had drunk mangosteen juice, toooooooooo sweet
Pear is a type of... Plain fruit, no obvious flavour ๐ค
vagrant topaz
<@275273870431223808> can I ask your wife a question about masks?
Question: Whi...
I'll ask her but I don't think she will be able to answer.
I don't think I have seen her do a face mask in the 13 years we have been together
obtuse rune
Yay, I can finally use my Lightness skills in the first region lol
Its so satisfying nicely done
junior oyster
I hope I can use Google app set like you :(
That is disgusting lol
I don't know what it is with phones but I really don't like folders
gilded elm
Its so satisfying nicely done
Yeah looks and feels good, especially in these stunning environments. Eager to unlock and try the other Lightness skills.
gilded elm
URL long because it contains the code lol
Imaginary bonus points for whoever can guess the song (meaning I didn't totally screw it up)
ebon meadow
This is the first time I see a discord allowing URL this long xdd
I m amazed of having a whole screen of text with this blue tone ,my brain is gazming
junior oyster
Hehe, this is a fun way to mix code and music: https://strudel.cc/#CnNldGNwbSg5M...
That's the second time I've seen a super long url today
ebon meadow
There's something satisfying in that for me 
gilded elm
This site doesn't store any data on the server, so it has to dump it all in the URL when you're sharing something you made
ebon meadow
"stone age" generator it is fine it works ,I remember when u copy code POB code before and u import by accident,the feel for me me was I m "Matrix"
gilded elm
Aha! Trying to use Markdown to format the link is blocked on the server.
So if you share links, you gotta share the actual link instead of linking text to it. I guess that makes sense, it's a small "safety" feature.
junior oyster
We went from rain all day to snow at night
gilded elm
That's my kind of weather.
ebon meadow
I went from heavy rain to almost sunshine
My body today said fk u I m going to feel like after 5 days of gym today
Back shoulders and neck are bones and disc made out wood
junior oyster
That's my kind of weather.
Snow will last for a day and then we are left with slippery ice sigh
gilded elm
Oh, yeah leftover ice does suck
warped wren
made A Thing
gilded elm
Oh noes, Where Winds Meet down for the next 5 or so hours for maintenance to roll out the new update D:
warped wren
definitely the craziest item I've made in this game
warped wren
made A Thing
@twilit mountain behold
ebon meadow
I m going to be picky me and yea ADHD if there's spirit on that amulet I m paying same price as a mageblood
Obv not like a roll of 9 but yea that's a bis socket gear amulet
ebon meadow
I m going to be picky me and yea ADHD if there's spirit on that amulet I m payin...
Or whatever u kids this days call an item that's sucks to play without
ebon meadow
I don't know what are I referencing to I never had an item with perfect stats in 10 k hours that can please me as an end game item
All my characters are I can make this better
And u always need spirit any extra aura u can have just adds to the build u can take beyond the one u following
Even it's something like clarity level1
gilded elm
You very rarely "always need" a specific thing, that's just bad game design. So yeah it's not a hard requirement in PoE2
twilit mountain
No there is in fact a point where you don't need spirit
ebon meadow
Need is a hard word
twilit mountain
A lot of the auras are useless, undertuned, or just outright not for your build
warped wren
1600+ ES ass amulet
ebon meadow
It summed to how better
gilded elm
As with anything, it's about the tradeoffs, what you get and what you miss out on and spirit can easily fall into that category where you can have "too much" and it doesn't benefit you much.
warped wren
could probably divine it for a tiny bit more if I wasn't skint broke
twilit mountain
I for example only need 40 extra spirit. The only reservations that do anything for my build are Scavenged Plating, Berserk, Herald of Ash, and Magma Barrier. Literally every other one in the game is dead in the water for me.
ebon meadow
1600+ ES ass amulet
Actually disgustingly nice
warped wren
also I have 200 spirit even without any on the ammy lol
+65 from Morior, +38 from Ventor+Kalandra's
ebon meadow
That is so nice I could do with extra 40-50 to socket another aura or something defensive
warped wren
there's just so many bad auras in this game, had to actually sit and figure out what would be useful. Ended up taking Herbalism for the last bit just for the tiny bit of extra Guard from Olroth's lol
ebon meadow
Like I said it's just additive to feel even better on a build ,noisy have or anything
gilded elm
Last I played, I remember the selection of reservation skills was very underwhelming
ebon meadow
Auras are not as bad as cry to my feel
There's few crys that can be used as combo that feel so freaking good
HoA +the exploded cry (sorry I m at footy game I don't remember names xdd)
Rather seismic or some sort
Fire dot and overleap is crazy
twilit mountain
Let's pretend you have like 450-500 spirit. Please tell me what you're going to spend it on.
gilded elm
And it has to be better than the potential affixes that could go into a Spirit affix on any of your items.
ebon meadow
"IF" I can fit all heralds on to a build without any downside to the build ,YES
ebon meadow
They are neutral stacks yes they cans till be scaled by minor nodes u pathing
twilit mountain
No they aren't
ebon meadow
When they could be something else
The question was a no downside if u had the freely as I read
gilded elm
Lost opportunity is a downside, inherently.
ebon meadow
No they aren't
Since when ? Flat damage to atacks is all over the tree
twilit mountain
The hell are you talking about, there is no flat damage on tree
gilded elm
Flat damage comes from your weapon and rings and such
twilit mountain
Generic increased attack damage is rather limited actually
ebon meadow
U want an example increased damage when in form
So as dot apparently
No such thing as u ulimited damage
Crit has cap dot has cap
gilded elm
Anyway, it's possible and easy to have "too much spirit" in PoE2 so "always having spirit" isn't going to always be the most optimal thing, not even most of the time.
twilit mountain
This is the limit of generic increased attack damage.
gilded elm
"Too much Spirit" is the downside.
ebon meadow
There's no pure stat damage on the tree ,yes . These increases
ebon meadow
Now say that to a Poe player and explain what is limiting to take all those nodes on a single build
twilit mountain
Brother
I have over 8000 in the first game, and nearly 1000 in the second already. The limitation is pathing to this shit is a terrible idea.
warped wren
Now say that to a Poe player and explain what is limiting to take all those node...
are you seriously comparing PoE1 pathing to PoE2
gilded elm
PoE2 tree is quite a bit larger
ebon meadow
are you seriously comparing PoE1 pathing to PoE2
Nah not that
ebon meadow
I have over 8000 in the first game, and nearly 1000 in the second already. The l...
No it's the fact of grabbing as much of it as u can without screwing the base of how u build works
Having more auras on a build that already works don't hurt it at all
gilded elm
If you blindly prioritize Spirit on gear, there's a good chance you're hurting your build, not helping it.
Knowing when you have too much Spirit is probably a good skill to have when making a build.
gilded elm
So if you were in this hypothetical scenario where you have 400-500 Spirit
That probably already means you messed up
twilit mountain
I'm out. If you can't see how pathing to entirely different sides of the tree is a terrible plan, there's no point having this conversation.
ebon meadow
Without nuking my build I would slot every single aura that I can that does anything to my build
gilded elm
Chances are that if you have 400-500 Spirit, you've already nuked your build IMO
ebon meadow
No downsides just additive
ebon meadow
It doesn't but neither u need to 1shot Bose's in game and have a bit of equilibrium
Farmer and bossesr are a tag because we made them
We maid specific builds to do Uber lab as a service , we made this the game was not designed to do that
twilit mountain
They're literally the same builds in 2, there's no split
ebon meadow
If I can slap more aura reserved gems in to a build to do something extra is a win
warped wren
also yeah, there's no specialist builds in PoE2, not enough content
warped wren
If I can slap more aura reserved gems in to a build to do something extra is a w...
again, which ones
500 spirit, what do you pick on your build of choice
gilded elm
More auras to make sure you're getting the most value out of your GPU
ebon meadow
you still haven't answered the one question of what you would do with 500 spirit
I would take a freaking weak to figure out what I can put those spirit points in
ebon meadow
Probably extra damage
gilded elm
Not really, there's really not many options in PoE2
warped wren
Probably extra damage
there's like... 3 auras for extra damage. Maybe 4 if you're being generous.
twilit mountain
You can write off half the selections innately because they're dogshit
Oh man, can't wait to use RAVENOUS SWARM or IRON WARD
ebon meadow
there's like... 3 auras for extra damage. Maybe 4 if you're being generous.
5 auras ,3 offensive 2 defenders
warped wren
Oh man, can't wait to use *RAVENOUS SWARM* or *IRON WARD* <:omegalul:57077698832...
or Barkskin
ebon meadow
What is wrong with barkskin?
twilit mountain
It sucks
warped wren
5 auras ,3 offensive 2 defenders
I have 3 full auras + 4 support auras + 1 full aura in off hand right now, with 200 spirit
so I already have that beat
but go on
twilit mountain
Forced hybrid into the worst combination of stats in the game, extremely weak payoff, only activated by taking damage
ebon meadow
I have 3 full auras + 4 support auras + 1 full aura in off hand right now, with ...
Where's the complaint?
warped wren
here, I'll giv you the full list too: https://poe2db.tw/us/Spirit_Gems
now choose 500 spirit worth of non dogshit auras from this
ebon meadow
The matter that u can actually level those auras with rest of spirit?
twilit mountain
Leveling doesn't make them take more spirit
warped wren
The matter that u can actually level those auras with rest of spirit?
? spirit is a fixed cost, it doesn't scale
have you actually played this game
or are you just talking out of your ass
twilit mountain
I have level 27 Magma Barrier and it costs jsut as much as level 1 lol
ebon meadow
Mostly put of ass as u say since scaling usually take more resource but sure
twilit mountain
If you don't know what you're talking about that's a sign to stop talking
ebon meadow
So what is the complaint about having more auras?
gilded elm
Well, your build is worse.
Because you picked up a bunch of spirit for no reason at all.
ebon meadow
? I don't mention my build
gilded elm
If you made a build with 500 spirit, I'd wager it would be bad.
ebon meadow
Since when this became a size contest ?
gilded elm
Except maybe minion build? Not sure
ebon meadow
If you made a build with 500 spirit, I'd wager it would be bad.
I still in campaign lmao
warped wren
I still in campaign lmao
then your opinions about auras are a fart on the wind because you have zero clue about how the game works lol
twilit mountain
The most spirit Ano could get on that amulet is 50. With that 50 extra spirit he'd lose multiple hundreds of ES, AKA a huge amount of hit pool, and gain nothing because... what's he gonna point? Barrier Invocation? Lingering Illusion? Time of Need?
ebon meadow
Still can over roll u headd though but gl
warped wren
Still can over roll u headd though but gl
what. There's no spirit on helmet
ebon meadow
what. There's no spirit on helmet
No spirit in the conversation when it becomes a witch-hunt
warped wren
Calling your opinions stupid and baseless because you literally don't even know the basics of the game you're yapping about isn't a witch hunt
But go ahead, whatever helps you sleep at night
ebon meadow
U guys saying that the overflow of spirit can not be used and it's worthless is a bit meh
gilded elm
Getting called out for bad choices is just criticism, not really a witch hunt.
Calling it a witch hunt is not a healthy way to respond to criticism.
Min-maxing builds is half the game, if not the whole game itself. So of course the discussion should be within the context of optimizing your build and as it's been said there is such a thing as having "too much spirit" that's not meh that's just a fact.
warped wren
U guys saying that the overflow of spirit can not be used and it's worthless is ...
You can believe whatever you want but you're actually clueless about even the basics of the game so enjoy your ignorance I guess
Anyway moving on from this waste of time
Today I got 100% confirmation of the fact that maps with varying elevation play havoc with your ability to attack enemies, even if you're melee
I had a rogue exile that was Evasive + Temporal Intangibility, and I could NOT hit him in a certain section of the map. Had to drag him to a completely different area to kill him
Actual spaghetti code
gilded elm
Intangibility is great, such a fun and engaging way to force you to play a certain way.
(/s)
warped wren
I mean normally it doesn't bother me, I'm melee
ebon meadow
twilit mountain
Intangibility is great, such a fun and engaging way to force you to play a certa...
Just like the abysss omens thing right :)))))))
warped wren
Nor does evasive bother me, because i have Precision + accuracy on the tree as well
The combo doesn't add anything extra either
The issue was purely that I was fighting him in one of those forest maps which has a lot of varying elevation
Once I dragged him to a more flat area he just fell over as he should
gilded elm
Oh yeah, vertical axis actually matters in PoE1/PoE2 lol
Something I usually forget is a thing in isometric games
warped wren
The problem isn't it mattering, the problem is it's completely visually obtuse
Visually you think you're standing right on the mob's head and attacking, but none of the attacks are connecting due to the verticality
Would have gotten me killed on a weaker character
gilded elm
This kind of reminds me about the whole tangent Jonathan went on with regards to how aiming works in PoE lol
twilit mountain
What I hate most is actually when it screws projectile skills. Like. Mfer. Aim up/down. Are you stupid? Do you need glasses?
(Those last two comments are not linked)
warped wren
Verticality is a huge pain in LE too iirc
But LE doesn't have PoE2's obsession with tiny obstructions and random, barely visible verticality
gilded elm
Perfectly normal use of a helicopter
ebon meadow
I actually finished my desc
jade jackal
๐
junior stirrup
Pre-tilted for playing mobas.
gilded elm
lmao
ebon meadow
and will always give love for Teemo
or what ever that ginger cat frog costume that is xd
fierce moth
I thought why someone play games with 2 vertical screen at the first check
fierce moth
Jane, Zoe, Tom. Zoe killed by Underwood, I thought Tom and Jane will fine at last, but Tom is murdered by Claire later. Jane is the only hero now...
pine summit
