📚┃off-topic

[jovial bane]

Given enough rage regen like from shaman and the keystone I bet you can

[vagrant topaz]

Oo

[real kayak]

I'm getting bored as crap of poe2 already

just getting in maps and I'm about spent lol

[jovial bane]

That's fine

[real kayak]

I went hard a year ago, 3 100's full juicer mode and it just feels bad now.

[jovial bane]

I pretty much play aRPGs until I'm spent then switch to something else

[real kayak]

act 4 was a cool addition

[jovial bane]

I like act 4, interludes ? Not so much

especially act 2 interlude, I hate it

Why doesn't it have salvage bench GGG ? Why after returning to town I have to teleport to another act, and then return ? 😠

[sage flame]

Did anyone post this yet

https://youtu.be/qDFEeeLy6ws

Rip embeds

[fierce moth]

......I wish essence drain have 1/2 dps with flame breath

this level is enough to swim in t1-t14

Poor lich...

What's wrong with I want to play chaos caster lich so the game give me poor damage

[warped wren]

honestly I just think it's a skill issue on your part because EDC Lich is one of the top builds on HC because it does plenty of damage and is tanky

enough people play it on SC too because again, reliable

[fierce moth]

I think dps is restricted by increased spell damage is poor

[twilit mountain]

Ain't you supposed to scale the DoT not the projectile?

Damn, worst GA I could get

But hey, first one I got

Rrrrrrat game

[desert jasper]

Somehow I knew it would be the silksong dlc before clicking it

[fierce moth]

Cool, much wheat is burnt now. The clarity is more.

[jovial bane]

That node that increases every damage type by +30% looks less silly now. Breath converts physical to fire and has added lightning damage, so that should be +90% ? 🤔

[jovial bane]

"plenty"
The damage it does is decent, but it's on the low end of the spectrum. I think the build is competitive, because it's so tanky and the DoT easily spreads. But you do feel the DPS drop on bosses.

It definitely relies on gear a lot

[fierce moth]

500ml?

Sugar free version of monster is ugly....Drinking the ultra monster I purchased yesterday

[jovial bane]

I agree. It was the worst monster I've ever had as well. But I also dislike zero drinks in general.

[fierce moth]

Dislike zero drinks +1

[desert jasper]

yes, 500ml

[fierce moth]

.....Alright, fleshy is left too

Connections from here -1

[junior oyster]

I don't drink non-water so much I can't tell the difference between sugar free and sugar taxed

[jovial bane]

I feel jealous, because I really hate the lingering sweetener taste in my mouth

Nevermind the lack of the full bodied sweetness it has

[fierce moth]

...Maybe he is quit because of paid class and concept roadmap? Anyways, he's a good person.

[jovial bane]

I think a lot of people will flock back if season 4 delivers

[maiden widget]

Yeah I also can't do sugar free variants the aftertaste is vile. And I basically get 1 or 2 soft drinks a week total

[gilded elm]

I suck at rhythm games but I really like the way this one is designed

[sand wigeon]

Rhythm Doctor is one of the best games I've played

[sudden anchor]

Funny, yesterday his absence came to my mind aswell. I miss him too.

[fierce moth]

...??????? Isn't the combat is over? It still can hurt my lich

[fierce moth]

Wait...? 😞
It's zero drink

I hope it's not so I can try that

[sand wigeon]

Zero sugar drinks are very common where I live

[fierce moth]

... Poor options left after I removed flavours with zero sugar :(

[sand wigeon]

I don't mind non-sugar sweeteners

Aspartame reduces your hunger impulse, too, so it can be great for people on a calorie deficit

[fierce moth]

Hah Aspartame... The ingredient which cause potato chips pretty bad 🤢

[sand wigeon]

...I have never heard of aspartame being used in potato chips, so I think there's a miscommunication going on

[sage flame]

Haha you know me too well 😭

[jovial bane]

Personally I don't trust sweeteners being more healthy that much

[sand wigeon]

Not like sugar is unhealthy anyway

[jovial bane]

But I don't mind a mix of them and sugar

I mean it is

[sand wigeon]

It's not

[jovial bane]

I just assume soda is something that I should mind when I take my sugar/energy intake anyway

[sand wigeon]

Sugar is a great source of energy, it's easy for your body to break down and absorbs quickly, it's why sweet pastries are so good for energy. The sugar provides easy to breakdown energy, and then the carbohydrates and fats from the pastry break down overtime into sugars, which provide more energy later

[jovial bane]

Let me rephrase that, any sugar, liquid especially is unhealthy if you intake it too much.

But too much is the key part

[sand wigeon]

Anything is unhealthy when consumed in excess lol

[jovial bane]

ye

My daily sacharose intake is not that high anyway. 1.5-2 teaspoons with coffee once per day, and now that I use the sodastream syrups maybe a cup or two of it tops

[sand wigeon]

I eat very unhealthy but that's because I'm unemployed RN which means I'm just sitting around anyway

[jovial bane]

yeah, movement in general helps a lot

Although with work I swear I've traded unhealthy lack of movement for unhealthy amount of stress

[sand wigeon]

It's not the movement that really helps much, it's just that I have a medical condition that causes intense hyperphagia (extreme feelings of hunger and urge to eat even when not hungry), so I have easy access to food 24/7

[jovial bane]

oh, that sucks

[sand wigeon]

When I'm working I can't eat often and I can't snack throughout the day, which means I usually have one or two meals instead of a bunch of random crap

So I eat healthier

[jovial bane]

yeah, I can see that being a big issue

[fierce moth]

:(
I want to buy this flavour but no one sell that now. It's sold out

I'm addicted to juiced moster with sugar (punch series is similar)

Oh. They're belong to the same series. I tried 4/10.

[jovial bane]

oh, I had either this one or similar from this series. It's real good

[fierce moth]

An interesting detail I found is the difference of them is... Do I like my drink with berry juices or not 🤔

[ebon meadow]

8/10 for me ,the first top right and third are my favourite

[desert jasper]

it was sugar free, yes
i can't consume that much sugar bcs of diabetes

[fierce moth]

make sense, 10% juices it included

[sudden anchor]

Sugar is very addicting. It's why I am careful around it. If I eat too many raisins a couple of days in my cereal, I already feel the craving throughout the day. Luckily I have access to tons of fresh fruits, which come packed with fiber and micronutrients, which in combination makes it very much less of an issue.

[sand wigeon]

Sugar's never actually been shown to have any addictive traits

[jovial bane]

Addictive ? I've tried smoking just once, sugar is not even in the same universe as addicting as say nicotine

[sand wigeon]

Maybe I'm just not susceptible to addiction, but I wouldn't say I'm addicted to nicotine despite being a smoker

Which obviously I know how that sounds, but I use it like any other recreational drug NGL

I go through about a pack of twenty in seven months?

[Insert a shrug emote]

[sand wigeon]

And yes, this is in fact true.

Sugar is not addictive. There is a very big difference between you as a person overindulging because it feels good and a chemical actually being addictive. Sugar is no more addictive than breathing, it's simply a requirement to live, and your body spikes dopamine as a result.

If you are "addicted to sugar," you likely have overactive dopamine receptors and they respond easily to that input. You like the good feeling, it's not an actual chemical effect of the sugar.

This is different than nicotine, caffeine, codeine, etcetera, that all have chemically addictive effects

That's the Dream science lesson for today

[jovial bane]

I think one can get addicted to it, but "very addictive" is a colossal strech

[sand wigeon]

You can get addicted to anything, all that needs to happen is for your dopamine to spike from it

The actual chemical / ingredient of "sugar" is not addictive

(Pretty much all food you eat eventually gets broken down to sugars anyway)

(The medical term of "sugar addiction" references the easy addiction to the dopamine produced by eating sugar, but the actual ingredient is not addictive)

[jovial bane]

even then I think there are more addictive substances

[sand wigeon]

I'd say fats are more addictive than sugar

[sudden anchor]

The confusion comes from using a very narrow definition of addiction.

It is true that sugar does not meet the formal criteria of a chemically addictive drug like nicotine, caffeine, or opioids. Sugar molecules do not bind to specific addiction receptors, and there is no classic pharmacological withdrawal syndrome. In that strict sense, sugar is not chemically addictive.

However, that does not mean sugar cannot produce addiction-like behavior.

Sugar reliably activates the brain’s reward system through metabolic pathways: rapid glucose absorption → insulin response → dopamine release. This is an indirect mechanism, not a receptor-binding one, but it still produces craving, habit formation, tolerance, and loss of control in some individuals.

Calling this “just liking the good feeling” is an oversimplification. Many addictive behaviors (including gambling) involve no chemical substance at all, yet clearly meet behavioral addiction criteria.

Also, saying sugar is “required to live” is misleading. Glucose is required, not refined sugar. The brain can obtain glucose from carbohydrates, protein, and endogenous production. Breathing is mandatory; consuming added sugar is not.

So the accurate position is:

Sugar is not a classical drug addiction

Sugar can produce addiction-like effects via dopamine signaling

The problem is strongest with rapid, refined, high-dose sugar, not whole foods

Denying either side leads to a distorted picture.

[sand wigeon]

Since the fats break down into sugars for a long period anyway

[sand wigeon]

Yes. This is literally everything I just said. Good job.

I'm glad to see we agree.

[jovial bane]

that long answer is a bit sus, but I won't dwell on it

[sand wigeon]

I just do not have the will to argue with someone who obviously thinks they're correct

It's not productive, I just wanna talk about cool science

[jovial bane]

I like science

[sand wigeon]

And that's why you're sick as hell

[jovial bane]

likely sick in the head as well :^)

[sand wigeon]

All the cool people are

[jovial bane]

not wrong

[fierce moth]

Hard to recognize it's a genius or it's a madman, yes

[jovial bane]

yes

[sand wigeon]

Very little difference in my court

[fierce moth]

You can't do a thing the best if you don't want that as a madman or love that like a madman, on the other side...

Extreme is an interesting word.

[austere granite]

[jade jackal]

common scam

[austere granite]

yes

already 10 in two months

xD

in some correspondence they allegedly gave me objects xD

[fierce moth]

Well worse numbers this time :(

[desert jasper]

Those scams are almost as pathetic as "hey it's me your brother"

[austere granite]

hahaahahah

If only they had more imagination

[jovial bane]

I keep hearing of "hey this is your grandson" scams in TV and somehow some grandmas get scammed

nevermind that the same bloody scam warning is blasted in TV for 10 years

[austere granite]

Unfortunately, there will always be such people. Most often, unfortunately, they are of advanced age(

[desert jasper]

Well
They intentionally don't put in much effort to it
because people who notice it would still notice it
and the people who do fall for it usually fall for it even if it's the most obvious thing

So there's no incentive for them to put in effort to make it look legit

[austere granite]

Yes, there are a lot of users

[twilit mountain]

You do not belong there, creature >_>

[sand wigeon]

Burn her at the stake!

[vagrant topaz]

I got my exams !!!!!!

[sudden anchor]

Sorry, ma'am. I just woke up after 13 hour sleep and saw your answer implying sugar, gambling, etc. is not addicting. My father is a gambling addict, my family fat and unhealthy from sugarcravings. I wanted to lowkey help people here, since I found the energydrinks topics interesting to expand on. But maybe it was just my ego wanting to be right? I do think of opening a processed sugar/sweeteners-related business. Has anyone eaten chocolate with sweeteners instead of sugar? Haven't seen that.

[jade jackal]

sugar consumption causes chemical hormonal dependency, of course it is addictive

the only ones who would stop it from being officially classified as one are the ones who sell it to you and lobby for it

[sand wigeon]

Counterpoint: sugar is a necessary function for our bodies to work and should not be classified under the same degree of seriousness as nicotine and opioids lol

[jade jackal]

The body regulates glucose, it doesnt need us to help it by adding several dozens to several thousands of times what it needs

In fact, it can break apart and synthesize sugar from none sugar resources

[sand wigeon]

Y'know what, I'm going to take my own advice, and lack the will in this conversation

[sudden anchor]

Let's be clear, djelectric you mean processed sugar probably.

[sand wigeon]

Processed foods are not the enemy is all I'll say

[jade jackal]

processed or otherwise

[sand wigeon]

Neither is sugar

[jovial bane]

whenever I see that explanation is lobbying my brain automatically tunes out tbh

[jade jackal]

The world of ultraprocessed food and supercharged sugar food industry has a body bag larger than all wars in human history just since the 20th century started lol

[sand wigeon]

Oh my gods

You are a very funny person

[jade jackal]

The amount of people who suffer alone from overconsumption of chemically addictive foods is alarmingly high

[sand wigeon]

And that means sugar is the thing at fault?

[jade jackal]

Sugar by itself is just sugar, if we are aware of how much we need of it and teach ourselves to avoid it, its not its fault

[sand wigeon]

Why would I avoid sugar?

[jade jackal]

If you don't wanna avoid it, don't, lol, im not your boss

[sand wigeon]

No, I'm asking, why would I avoid sugar?

What's the thought process here?

[jade jackal]

If you suffer from high blood sugar, and high sugar intake related symptomes and health problems, you can work on reducing it

and refined carbohydrates in general

[jovial bane]

what the hell are even refined carbs

[jade jackal]

Stuff like white rice, cereal, cakes, bread

all sorts of table sugars

[sand wigeon]

Are we seriously villainizing rice.

[jade jackal]

exercise is a great way to help your metabolism break sugars far more efficiently too

[sand wigeon]

Is this where we're at. rice.

Rice and bread.

[jade jackal]

Rice is one of many examples of refined carbohydrates, yeah

and so is bread

[sand wigeon]

That isn't what I said

I said "are we seriously villainizing it"

[jade jackal]

The stuff someone can reduce the consumption of if they suffer high blood sugar and the symptomes caused from it

If you suffer from high blood sugar, and high sugar intake related symptoms and health problems,** you can work on reducing it**

[sand wigeon]

I hope you know, djelectric, that the arguments you're putting forth have very commonly been used by privileged folk to put down other cultures or poorer, underprivileged people (who usually happen to be in communities of people of color)

And that these arguments come from a long line of historically rich people villainizing what the everyman eats to further a class divide

[jade jackal]

All i did was give an example of common refined carbohydrates people consume today?

[sand wigeon]

Don't worry about it babe

[jade jackal]

And what people can reduce the consomption of if they suffer from high blood sugar?

[sand wigeon]

If you don't even notice what you're saying then it's internalized

[jade jackal]

That would also include pastas btw

[sand wigeon]

Which is not my problem

[jade jackal]

If i suffer high blood sugar, refined carbyhydres intake should be reduced, it can be rice or pastas or cakes or cereal altogether

some of those have versions that introduce more dietery fiber, which is very helpful

[jovial bane]

that's quite a big if tbh

[jade jackal]

High blood sugar is just a condition we experience in our modern life, it can happen unfortunately

it happened to me several times in life, happens to me now

[sand wigeon]

It can happen but having it on repeat is like... not normal

[jade jackal]

Well, overindluging this stuff is very unhealthy yeah, it creates insuling resistance, and that comes with a whole bag of problems

mood swings, tremors, inflammations, tiredness, fatty liver

Its quite a chemical shock

[sand wigeon]

Sigh

Anyway

D4 is looking like a lot of fun!

[jade jackal]

D4 is a lot of fun, and its going to be a lot of fun times 2 comes April

[jovial bane]

when I've played D4 it wasn't bad, but it wasn't worth the price either

[sand wigeon]

When did you last play?

[jovial bane]

before the expansion

loot reborn or w/e that big update was

[sand wigeon]

If you don't care about story then yeah, base game can be a little underwhelming

[jovial bane]

campaign was nice, gameplay wasn't bad even though I don't feel that good about build diversity

overall the big problem I have is the price tag

oh, except for the return of the rifts from D3 for gacha style stats refining

that made me screech in terror

[sand wigeon]

$ilovegachaslop

[jade jackal]

The gacha refining is gone

[fierce moth]

Cool. Paid the time to get the nap back.

[jovial bane]

jesus, that's good

[jade jackal]

All upgrades now are guaranteed, and can crit if you're lucky, but youre not getting a stat you didnt want

[sand wigeon]

NOOO MY GACHASLOP

[jovial bane]

because grinding D3 rifts I was sick of, for the genshin artifacts farm sounds like something that should be forbidden by Geneva conventions

[jade jackal]

im legit confused about that analogy

D3's farming is quite straightforward

Everything there is quite linear and predictable, in fact, too predictable

[jovial bane]

I mean back then when stats were random on upgrade it was literally 1:1 genshin artifacts

that's how they work

[jade jackal]

stats are random on upgrade? in which case?

[sand wigeon]

#moregachapls...

[jade jackal]

in what station, on what mechanics?

[jovial bane]

I forgot what the name of the mechanic was, it was the one you were farming D3 style rifts

mind you it's been a while

[jade jackal]

When an ancient item drop, all you can do is either entirely reroll it, reroll a single affix, add a socket if its a weapon, or augment it with a gem to add more mainstat

[jovial bane]

and that literally scared me away

pit of the artificer it was ?

[jade jackal]

That wont reroll the item, just add particular superstats to it, as a seasonal mechanic

[jovial bane]

thank god

[jade jackal]

Its a 3 rank system, you level it 3 times hoping for 1/3 chance on each upgrade twice, then a fixed third upgrade

[jovial bane]

so ye, genshin artifacts

[jade jackal]

So technically a 1/3 x 2 system to roll perfect upgrade

[jovial bane]

maybe minus fixed third upgrade

[jade jackal]

My only worry comes April is that Blizzard has used PoE language to lure players in for the new mechanics and its going to turn out a shallow, artifical bunch of systems

I have doubts D4 will have a loot filter half as good as LE's

[maiden widget]

What's Poe language

[jade jackal]

Loot filters, mapping, item alteration, idol system

[sand wigeon]

None of this is unique to PoE

[jade jackal]

I hope its not going to be a cheap immitation of LE/PoE systems

[maiden widget]

I mean I personally don't even need a super good filter, a basic one is enough for D4 already due to their GA system so it'll be good anyway

[sand wigeon]

Yeah D4 doesn't even rly need a loot filter

[jade jackal]

yeah, some sort of a basic filter is a good start, like, dont get me wrong

im all for new systems

as long as this game stays in an upwards trajectory

[sand wigeon]

Like you can play D4 with no filter very easily

[maiden widget]

Yeah definitely positive so far

[jade jackal]

Well, the game design sort of created a natural filter

[sand wigeon]

I might actually consider them adding a filter as a bad sign now that I think about it

[maiden widget]

Started the season yesterday and it's pretty fun

[jade jackal]

since all 4 bottom rarities stop dropping in T1+

Wait what season started yesterday, ive been enjoying the Paladin for 5 days now lol

Paladin suffers from a bit of a main character syndrome, in all ways possible, but i like it, very gigachad

[maiden widget]

I started yesterday didn't have time before.

[jade jackal]

oh

[jovial bane]

hmm, how good that node sounds ? 🤔

[obtuse rune]

What build are you using for it? just curious 👀

[fierce moth]

https://youtu.be/x4-Mf9OuCkw?si=wCTFgVAZXvdEPoTr&t=721
lol so... I need to learn porsion arrow deadeye build to get currencies from selling bows?

b0b5 is more popular thanks to Ruetoo drama

[jovial bane]

something around those things

I just want to be a big wyvern and breathe fire lol

As for the class I'm Oracle

[fierce moth]

I even don't check out what new ascendencies are

is it good or bad 🤔

[jovial bane]

no idea, on paper seems like a bit worse MoM, but it also wont make you run out of mana

[fierce moth]

why it will keep your safe from out of mana?

[jovial bane]

Because if you get hit by a lot of mobs MoM will eat up all you mana, and you will keep losing it. Plus you take a big hit to mana regen. With this you get less "extra HP", but you still will be able to cast spells

[fierce moth]

Non-Keystone Passive Skills in Medium Radius of allocated Keystone Passive Skills

... It sounds too twisted so I don't know what it mean

[fierce moth]

hah?.... Lots of enemies hit me so my mana is down to zero. Mana regen can't help if enemies keep attacking and my mana regen is poor. So I don't have extra mana to attack?

[jovial bane]

for example if I take MoM here, I can take levels in those red nodes without spending levels to get there

[jovial bane]

ye

So if I had that ascendancy and MoM I save 3 passive points

[fierce moth]

hah? The ascendency node don't say I must take a keystone like mom to access passive nodes your framed

[jovial bane]

"in medium radius of allocated keystone" is that part

[fierce moth]

Multiple levels in this ascendency node to be solved...

1. Non-keystone passive skills. Do mom is keystone passive skills or non-keystone passive skills?
2. Medium radius. How large the range is?
3. Passive skills. What a passive skill is?

... Not sure 1 and 3 is the same question or not

[jovial bane]

1. Everything is passive skill in the tree, MoM is keystone. It's those biggest passives
2. that big

[fierce moth]

Everything is cleared. Thanks

(I never notice the range...)

So this path is required 🤔

Ok pretty far away from free to test... Unless reach lv 80+

[jovial bane]

I think this is for ascendancy 4

I have those, then this at ascendancy 3 I think

[desert jasper]

my druid is looking classy

[fierce moth]

boss in extra act 2 drove me into mad

dodge these skills from an assassin 100% need muscle memory

[jovial bane]

I go by the sound

I don't even look for the attack

[desert jasper]

Wait, which assassin ?

[jovial bane]

act II interlude final boss

[fierce moth]

....I'm stuck on no idea how to dodge the ambush after he summoned a bunch of blades. Dies 4 times in the same reason 😭

He closed to me and multiple strikes without any reaction time...

[desert jasper]

Tbh I just run away when he does that

[fierce moth]

it's an ambush-style rush

[jovial bane]

huh, the grocery store closest to me no longer has monsters

[fierce moth]

alright, 2 more quests I need to complete through I can access atlas finally

[junior oyster]

Oh good that means you are now safe to walk around in that area

[fierce moth]

The crossing is the worst location in interlude because it's both of open and vast

[junior oyster]

Honestly kinda glad I'm not playing poe2

Such a chore of a game

[warped wren]

campaign definitely is

idk who at GGG thought making a long, tedious campaign was equivalent to making the game more casual friendly

[junior oyster]

The same who thought mapping should be the same as campaign except now mobs are faster and more deadly

[fierce moth]

I done all chores from campaign finally... 🙃

[junior oyster]

Damn only 57 times

[fierce moth]

Ok... Maybe I can record something by sharing some info.

Golem works
lv 1, workshop- picture one, maybe can forge a magic item to an rare item by adding 1 modifier
lv 2, automation lab - picture two, no idea what can I do
lv 3, stone legion - picture three, kill the same bot boss from the end of act 3 but the size is smaller so no red rays shot

[desert jasper]

Molten shrine is in like up right corner pretty much always
and the 2 bosses are somewhat bottom right

[sudden anchor]

https://www.youtube.com/live/8dRZk74OyMk?si=g05OymfMijDKFQMd

Dr K is live

It's really interesting. He talks about recovery and overworking. I struggle with this, need my day(s) off after a few days of work.

[fierce moth]

Generator
lv 1, dynamo - picture one, no idea what I can do
lv 2, shrine of empowerment - picture two, no idea what I can do

Smithy
lv 1, bronzeworks - picture four, increase 10% quality to a martial weapon, wand, armour or staff
lv 2, chamber of iron - picture three, add a socket to a martial weapon, wand, armour or staff

Garrison
lv 1, guardhouse - picture five, maybe can forge a magic item to an rare item by adding 1 modifier
lv 2, barracks - picture six, no idea what I can do

Armoury
lv1, depot - picture seven, magical items or currency shards, low chance for rare items
lv 2, arsenal - picture eight, rare items or currencies, high chance for rare items

Oh. Last picture without spoiler... forget it

I want to know what happened in lv 3 of remain rooms so much

Oh they have names. I didn't notice xd

[jovial bane]

I think I want to equip it once I hit ascendancy 3

all hits ignore elemental resists ? Sounds good

[desert jasper]

That's nuts

[junior oyster]

Damn I love The Amazing Digital Circus so much

[jovial bane]

then later replace it with it

[junior oyster]

Full of craycray

[desert jasper]

I tried to do the chaos ascendancy on my gardener earlier while underlvld
it didn't go well

[junior oyster]

Gardener?

[jade jackal]

We have a new ARPG class?

Can you just grow offensive flowers at will to attack monsters?

[fierce moth]

🥴 Which one should I keep and go forging... Personal use only

[ebon meadow]

I would probably go for robe it has a faster recharge but lower base ,but also depends on what is Ur build ,is it pure es or is hybrid life and es

[real kayak]

neither have spirit, both need slams, physical thorns is useless

[ebon meadow]

Yep

[fierce moth]

I need life + es

[real kayak]

don't we all

[fierce moth]

I choose raiment at last because it give me more resistances. Just cold resistance don't reach 75% yet

[fierce moth]

...Controller never can investigate the range, it explained.

[jovial bane]

oh, that's weird

[jade jackal]

cool, LE is my most played game on Steam this year

shill reputation restored

[jovial bane]

MTG Arena, PoE2 and BG3 in that order

then CK3 and finally LE

[fierce moth]

steam have recap?

[junior oyster]

Uh apparently I played MT2 a fair bit huh

[fierce moth]

Cool!

[junior oyster]

How do you have roguelike deckbuilder

Lol

[jovial bane]

Monster Train is great

[junior oyster]

Longest streak I've had

This year

[junior oyster]

Racing is specifically sonic racing cw

Great game imo

I'm not usually a fan of racing games

[real kayak]

quality and socket

[mental talon]

Temples suck, Abyss is still fun 6.5/10

[ebon meadow]

mine would be straight thin line from arpgs to open world survivals

what is this appi or page ?

[fierce moth]

open your steam, you will know that

steam replay is live

[ebon meadow]

its always open lul

ohh store

got it

[fierce moth]

I hate I can't check out playtime of poe 2 on steam

[ebon meadow]

nahhh hahahaha

what the f hack and slash i played lmao

this is fair though

[jovial bane]

well those on the screen below ? H&S is an old term for that genre

[ebon meadow]

i mean its was poe2 release lol we were waiting from when 2017 ish

[jovial bane]

I have no idea when it switched to aRPGs tbh

[ebon meadow]

i mean hack and slash for me would be something like hades i guess

but arpgs are tagged as same so makes sence , missing valheim and arc survival evolved there

i played a lot of arc this year hmmg

[jovial bane]

I do wonder what game I've played to get the hunting tag on the stat
KCD2 ?

[ebon meadow]

u can check earlier years ohh lord

[jovial bane]

Oh. Monster Hunter, duh

[ebon meadow]

this looks better

[ebon meadow]

264 ???

holy

u should stay away from slot machines

[gilded elm]

Don't worry, I don't gamble lol

[ebon meadow]

good

videogames are great

[gilded elm]

The closest thing to gambling I do is investing in a retirement fund lol

[ebon meadow]

good invest , at our age

[gilded elm]

The vast majority of my games are impulse purchases for indie games... like this one I'm about to buy right now for no good reason.

[ebon meadow]

was gonna go deeper but touching sensetive things in discord , rather not

[ebon meadow]

thats why my librabry is on a freaking cloud , steam sales are just to good sometimes , and u get free games

[gilded elm]

I might be financially impulsive, but can't be all that bad if the money is going to indie devs! :D

Yeah Steam makes it easy and I'm already way too attached to my Steam library. I will pay more on Steam than get a game cheaper on another platform.

[ebon meadow]

thats 1 reason i swtiched from PS to PC games in development

rust , 7dtd...

EA is its own world on steam and gives u infinite amount of hours

[gilded elm]

Yeah screw Sony. I still remember when they tried to shut down the PSN for older PlayStations like PS3, meaning you wouldn't be able to download games you were legally licensed to play.

So money down the drain.

[ebon meadow]

no no , they had a very big hacking issue for a week

my main ps still has that patch

where ever it is now

u could basicly download all market for free and well have full console in every game

[gilded elm]

Plenty of reasons to hate Sony, hard to pick just one

[jade jackal]

No open gate shooting

[ebon meadow]

for me its the price tag competing against PC

[jade jackal]

oh wait that's cameras nvm

[ebon meadow]

library wise

[gilded elm]

I consider platform exclusives to be pretty high on the list of scummy

Paying devs to release games exclusive to their platform so they don't release it on Steam or elsewhere at the same time.

Say what you will about Steam, but Valve doesn't engage in that kind of anti-competitive behavior.

It's another reason why I dislike Epic.

[ebon meadow]

the dumb thing of that is today , why u have exclusives today ?

there is no point

we can have mouse and keyboard on console we can have controller on a pc

like why

[gilded elm]

PlayStation game devs have already started asking this question a while back. Square Enix for example is planning to (or has already) drop PlayStation exclusive releases and do global releases.

[jovial bane]

mandatory PSN resulting in ban of games in ~190 countries for me

Did not affect me personally, but I hated that

[gilded elm]

Yeah, reminds me of the Helldivers nonsense.

Krafton might actually be a more palatable publisher than Sony if it wasn't for the fact that Sony simply has a massive marketing apparatus.

[jovial bane]

I've never made a tier list of how bad publishers are, but I bet Krafton won't breach the middle of the pack

[gilded elm]

Sony definitely is way up there among the "worst of the worst" for me, from a consumer perspective.

Ubisoft, obviously.

[jovial bane]

I hate Ubisoft with burning passion

Only Acti-blizz somehow managed to top it off, although from pure consumer standpoint I still hate Ubisoft more

[gilded elm]

Oh yeah, Acti-Blizz is another top contender 100%

[ebon meadow]

i was gonna say Blzz have been having me with no lube for a loooooot of years XDD

[fierce moth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTS3FrJUUKE
Ziz have the same opinion lol

I don't know. Long way to go on exploring the whole mechanic system

[gilded elm]

Maybe moreso Activision than Blizzard, I assume there is some separation of their publishing teams there.

[ebon meadow]

but they also gave me a lot of good hours of game play

[gilded elm]

I feel if you decouple Blizzard from Activision, they aren't that bad. I get the sense most of the bad comes from Activision.

I mean Blizzard still isn't great.

[ebon meadow]

first it was separtion of Blizz north )or more like a fall apart )

then it was activision association

[jovial bane]

Don't forget the CoD Modern Warfare 2 drama

that resulted in creation of respawn entertainment

[ebon meadow]

yeaa its the game i have 473 days played....

fk

the original one not rework

[jovial bane]

tbh it was a great game

[ebon meadow]

its a beast with nostalgic maps

[gilded elm]

I'm not a big CoD guy but LD (aka Legendary Drops whom I watch occassionally) seemed a big fan of CoD as a franchise and I think it was him who suggested that basically Activision just needs to break out of this yearly CoD routine and do something truly new and inventive.

[jovial bane]

AAA games industry in a nutshell. Even Sony games are kind of suspiciously samey

[gilded elm]

Like they're just stuck in this gutter of trying to squeeze every last drop out of CoD instead of exploring new ideas.

[abstract karma]

ugh my status looks ridiculous on steam.. need calm down with PSO (mostly i afk there anyway..)

Path of exile isnt counted there, who would use steam acc when you have standalone to be honest

[ebon meadow]

Personally I think that's how it should be, it's the essence of the game being frentic shooter

[abstract karma]

Good FPS are old FPS.. Stalker series (not second chapter) was good

[ebon meadow]

Yea quake died but the essence of those games are still here look at Fortnite

[gilded elm]

Yeah, AAA studios tend to become very risk averse as they grow bigger and especially if/when they go public and actually start trading on the stock market. Then it's just investor-focused and innovation/creativity vanishes because taking chances on new ideas can backfire and hurt investors lol

[ebon meadow]

Stalker has its own world with fans ,never played one but I like the books

It just seems like rust with overtwist to me

Maybe a better version of fallout idk

[abstract karma]

some mods are lately insane for that series mainly for first and 3rd game..
(mainly graphic ones but they are mainly cpu based)

[ebon meadow]

I should play one of the games ,I always hear good things about Stalker

[abstract karma]

Wish to Fallout modders take inspiration from stalker modding community.. Las Vegas or other 3rd open world fallout would be interesting in that vibe..

Both are "apocalyptic" themes

[jovial bane]

at least it had a massive mod project in Fallout London

[gilded elm]

I enjoyed this Linus x Linus react by Primeagen: https://youtu.be/QtGBnR24LcM?t=116

And yeah anyone who thinks programming is not "art" can fight me, it's 100% art.

[twilit mountain]

Anyone who argues that video games aren't art shall be locked in a room and forced to play Sable for a week. They can revise their opinion and come back to me after.

[gilded elm]

Yeah, so many different kinds of art that goes into making a video game, and not just the visual kind or audible kind.

I actually care a lot about the art of programming, because I spend a lot of time expressing myself through code, even if I'm being paid to do it. Just like digital artists and musicians express them selves through their own work.

[twilit mountain]

I got distracted and forgot what I was writing but yeah, I get it, I agree

[gilded elm]

But I do find myself wondering like Primeagen why the landscape is so different among programmers vs artists who practice more conventional forms of art. It's been weird to observe the gap in acceptance.

Not saying there's a right or wrong, just found it intrigueing that there's such a different mentality from different sides of the artistic fence.

Hm, maybe it's partly due to the idea of automation being an inherent philosophy in programming.

The potential for increased and improved automation tends to get programmers excited, because our creative process involves designing and building those systems.

[desert jasper]

plant + storm druid

[twilit mountain]

Hey sir you got any spare T5 supports so I don't have to do a 15 hour campaign later?

[gilded elm]

Ah crap, it's Tuesday lol

[twilit mountain]

It is?

[desert jasper]

I might have one or two currently
But not checking now. Going back to bed soon

[twilit mountain]

Fair, it late for you

[desert jasper]

Just past 1am
woke up, felt like I slept a long time already
didn't check the time until I was already brushing my teeth

[gilded elm]

Yay, Steam's back.

December game releases has been quiet. I wonder if everyone is just holding off to release on the 18th during the major event.

[desert jasper]

what major event?

[gilded elm]

Winter sale

[desert jasper]

Ah
right

[gilded elm]

Hah, Total War 40k got 50k wishlists since TGA: https://steamdb.info/stats/wishlistactivity/

E33 saw a significant bump in wishlists as well, not surprising. The people who haven't played it yet are probably now thinking they should try it.

Looks like the Total War announcement generated far more hype than any of the other games on there, that's kinda cool. Really good to see 40k becoming more mainstream.

Oh right, this is called Wishlist Activity, but it tracks follows since wishlist numbers aren't public. Still, it's not a huge leap so I guess that's why they called it "Wishlist Activity"

[desert jasper]

spent a few on the new character so don't have many until I get back to later
he's only in act3 so far

[twilit mountain]

Ah don't worry about it then :)

[gilded elm]

Did Silksong have a Steam page for a while before release or did they kind of just reveal everything all of a sudden?

[desert jasper]

It had a steam page for a very long time before release

[gilded elm]

Oh okay yeah, I see. It was #2 in followers (the other is #1 which is a free game, doesn't count) out of all games released this year.

[desert jasper]

I could just run some maps on the bear but ppl were saying that the new patch introduced some bugs for bear druid

[twilit mountain]

Silksong had a page for a couple years afaik

[twilit mountain]

Don't fret, dude, I'm not in any rush

[gilded elm]

Yeah, seems Silksong built up an insane following based on Hollow Knight's success. These numbers make sense to me in that context. It's just interesting to look at and compare with some of the other titles from TGA this year.

I wonder if you adjusted for refunds and the expenses from making the game, was Silksong financially more successful than MH Wilds? lmao

And if so, that's gotta sting Capcom.

[warped wren]

Bring back gatekeeping. I don't want idiots in my hobby.

The whole brouhaha around female custodes was some of the dumbest shit I ever read.

[gilded elm]

The right kind of gatekeeping and in the right amount, yeah. But I think people who try to say dumb things like "Primaris marines ruined the franchise" are not worth listening to lol

[warped wren]

Ye i mean Primaris was just James Workshop needing cash flow lul

At least it brought with a ton of forward movement in the setting

[gilded elm]

And it turned out to be the source of some great developments to the franchise

Yeah

But in general, yeah I agree with sentiment against things like Femstodes and fem space marines, even though I do use names like "FemSpaceMarine" in PoE to trigger people lol

[warped wren]

But I genuinely don't want people like the HD2 mains to come to W40K

Please let them stay in their containment zone

[gilded elm]

That said, I don't actually think the way they did that Femstodes in the Tithes episode (Harvest, I think?) was actually that bad. But I would take major issues if GW tried to introduce female space marines.

I'm open to that being a thing among the Custodes tbh

Custodes are not Space Marines, and having a female Custodian can serve to highlight that fact more strongly.

But it has to be done delicately, with care.

[warped wren]

I'm not particularly bothered either way because I understand that a long-standing business needs to continuously evolve with market realities. I just want it to be done well. I think femstodes weren't done well ("There have always been female custodians", even though the last actual model went out of production in '89 iirc and that too after a very limited run)

Primaris were done well on the other hand

[gilded elm]

Yeah they could've just done something like "They are few, but they have always existed among the ten thousand." or even just say "They were a secret project" honestly there's better ways they could've approached it other than a very inelegant retcon.

[warped wren]

Like sure, all the guys with thousands of dollars worth of minis are mad, but hey, at least there's tons of lore and plot movement and future potential around it

[gilded elm]

Yeah it was 100% a lazy way out for them. Appeasing a crowd without actually considering the existing fanbase.

[warped wren]

But the wave of "warhammer going woke" videos made me want to vomit

🤮

[gilded elm]

It's a mixed bag, a lot of those videos also showcase the cringe of the old school fans, and the other half is actually cringy "woke" stuff.

[desert jasper]

They can do that, sure
For a lot of companies that is just trying to appeal to a crowd that's not actually going to buy your product anyway while alienating your actual fans

but I guess some people have to get their plastic fix

[gilded elm]

I honestly don't care about the tabletop side of the hobby, at all. The miniatures are cool, but I really don't care much for the wargaming scene there. I care deeply about the lore and anything that moves that needle forward is usually good in my book, as long as it's done with respect. So I would be among the first to say "screw the tabletop fans" but I know GW is smart enough to recognize who is paying their bills so that won't happen.

That's part of why 40k becoming more mainstream is overall a good thing for me because it diversifies GW's audience so they aren't beholden only to the tabletop audience.

[warped wren]

a lot of youtubers seem to think that the people who run companies are complete fools who don't know crap. And in some cases they may be kinda right, but in many cases they're dead wrong. Market success does not emerge from thin air, especially when you're looking at extremely expensive, high buy-in stuff like the W40k franchise. If anyone thinks for one second that GW does not have hundreds of thousands of dollars invested in continuous market research, they're top tier delulu. Company decisions may annoy you as an individual fan, but they're always made with a broad, overarching goal in mind (at least, the successful ones are).

and GW isn't a video game publisher. They're a multimedia brand. Whole different ball game.

side note, I'm really god damn sick of this server's chat filter. You'd think I'm in YT for Kids comment section.

[gilded elm]

Absolutely. People overestimate their value to a business and underestimate the value of someone else to that very same business.

I know my place in GW's ecosystem. I am small fish even if I've spent probably a couple grand on everything 40k related.

[warped wren]

I wonder what their paretto chart would look like in terms of average spend per customer

probably something insane like in the tens of thousands of dollars

[gilded elm]

Someone with multiple armies, constantly refreshing and buying new armies, buying all the paints. Yeah, can easily see that happening at the prices GW is charging for those minis.

On the topic of female representation in 40k... I don't know why GW doesn't make more use of one of the most badass factions in the lore, which also happens to be all-female. The Sisters of Silence.

[warped wren]

REAL

[gilded elm]

Seriously, Sisters of Battle are so overhyped and yes they are meant to be "eye candy" but the Sisters of Silence are different. They are truly badass in the most badass way and they get so underrepresented.

[warped wren]

the fact that they partner with Custodes all the time

and were involved in the defense of the Palace itself, both during the Heresy as well as in 40k with the great rift stuff, and STILL not having more representation is crazy

[gilded elm]

So dumb to have such a great faction which doesn't exist to be objectified by men just sitting there doing nothing. I think the last content I consumed with a significant Sisters of Silence-related appearance was in the Beast Arises Series (which was an amazing trilogy)

[warped wren]

also the Sisters of Battle are just psychotic zealots tbh. Sisters of Silence are far more well-trained nulls, and you'd think have a much better grasp of wtf is going on in the Imperium because they work alongside the Custodes

and it's clear they have pull, because Guilliman went to treat with their matron the same way he treated with Vashtor

[gilded elm]

Book idea: Black Ship transport gone wrong, prisoners escape, unite under a heretical leader and kill the entire crew. The "protagonist": a Sister of Silence that was stationed on the ship and the only member of the crew left :P

And it's this whole John Wick thing or something I don't know. Sounds cool lmao

The Twist: Everything was orchestrated by a traitor marine pulling the strings behind the scenes. The sister ends up killing him in one on one combat.

[gilded elm]

Yeah, because they aren't simply genetically rare breeds of human. They are also among the most skilled warriors with their best even being capable of hold their own against an Astartes. They are basically the genetically unaltered peak of human physical potential, and then you add their genetic gift on top of that.

There's a lot of untapped potential for telling origin stories of Sisters of Silence too, now that I think about it. Imagine growing up as a child but everyone around you everywhere is repulsed by your very existence, just being around you makes them feel disgusted. That's a cool foundation to build on.

[warped wren]

Bequin

[gilded elm]

Yeah the Bequin novels are great

Dan Abnett seems to never miss.

[warped wren]

eh, I found them worse than the Eisenhorn and Ravenor

plot was good

but writing... eh

[gilded elm]

Yeah but were they bad lol

I don't expect authors to consistently produce exceptional works, I'm mostly happy to just not consistently get bad works, but Dan Abnett's stuff on the whole has always been good IMO. I can't actually remember any of his books that I would consider bad.

Compared to some other Black Library authors... lol

I'm finishing up this one, which has me hyped for my next book which happens to be from Dan Abnett.

Next one is gonna be this

[warped wren]

honestly I kinda like Chris Wraight's Valdor: Birth of the Impreium

I want to read Gaunt's Ghosts next

[gilded elm]

Valdor was a great book.

I haven't finished Gaunt's Ghosts, but can highly recommend that too.

I think I'm just a bit over halfway through it.

There's something like 10 books

[fierce moth]

which affixes should I aim at on an excellent talisman?

[desert jasper]

Physical dmg, physical dmg, attack speed would be a good start

[neon sigil]

this is what I'm using in early maps

[fierce moth]

📝 Noted. Thanks

overwhelming enemies from the fog again :(

Wait... do excellent talisman need crit chance & crit damage bonus?

[desert jasper]

Well you'd want the + to melee skills

[twilit mountain]

Btw I located the jewel so just gimme a holler when you want it

[jovial bane]

Shaman and non-druids want crits, Oracle I believe wants up to 30% crit chance on attacks then all crit damage

[desert jasper]

Got the 2nd ascendancy done on the oracle

[neon sigil]

Woo thanks deias. I'll let you know when im on. :)

[vagrant topaz]

Oracle gardener?

[junior oyster]

Why the hell would Google remove the search bar from the top of play store

The hell is wrong with them

Clicking on the magnifying glass closes the app on my phone

Oh but they didn't remove the search bar from the books section wtf

[desert jasper]

Yes
gonna probably cast on crit the thunderstorm to automate it a little

[vagrant topaz]

Nice

Do you use the spirit gem briar patch?

[desert jasper]

It's fun when the... I can't even remember the spell, the one you get at lvl 1
Changed it to pin buildup instead of slow
It's super safe

Briar patch only works on attacks building the phys dmg

[twilit mountain]

I am once again asking if anyone has like 3 to 5 spare T5 supports xdd

[desert jasper]

I did try using it at first but realized it very fast that attack only and then needs casting for it to work

[vagrant topaz]

You could use a cross bow attack to stay range and change briar patch
Because it deals Phys Spell Dmg

That would be an extra Spell for "free"

[desert jasper]

If it worked from spell phyd dmg too it would be sweet
though it also scales on thorns dmg
Well, free but spirit cost

Not sure how much spirit I'll really have

I'd play more now but I promised to help my brother at the construction site today like I helped yesterday

[vagrant topaz]

There is also Feral Invocation that procc shapeshift attack on mana use

[desert jasper]

I'm already following a guide

[vagrant topaz]

Oh

[desert jasper]

Tbh I think I need to get armor break from somewhere to help with my plant dmg
Also the other vine spell lasts a bit too short duration for my liking

It only slaps like 6 times quite fast and then it's done
And both plants really need the storm to do good dmg

Sure, it helped getting the keystone for more dmg & less mana cost but a lot less duration

Also the +3 lifesprig did a lot of heavy lifting
And +1 focus

Anyway, my pick up is here
Have a nice day

[fierce moth]

Super bad. Why I meet a cage with blades and siphon aura and lightning ground... Unfair hard

[desert jasper]

Oh
the construction site is even colder than yesterday

oh also we got a christmas tree at the city center

[twilit mountain]

I swear if the crash that just hit me rolls back my ascend I'm going to rip Jonathan's kneecaps out with pliers

He is safe... for now

[desert jasper]

Nobody buying my lvl 3 lifesprig with +3 to all

Not selling the lvl 2 one

[sudden anchor]

Is there a new league? I played in september, might have a few such things.

[desert jasper]

Yes a new poe2 league came just last friday

[twilit mountain]

^

[fierce moth]

Endgame is another period of chores. Come on, always the mirror and the expedition... No other encounter else, please?...

Big scale of map size + poor aoe damage from lich let the process have zero fun

[jovial bane]

playing S2 in Last Epoch after 0.2 PoE2 felt weirdly cathartic

maybe it wasn't massive content wise, but at least I don't feel like the game wants to torture me

PoE2 is fun when it's not being a torture device

[fierce moth]

lmaooooooo...Alright, still mirrors. Let me count how many mirror I met... It's the 9th one. Cleared 8 maps, all of them includes mirror... Everyone know mirror is the hardest encounter

[jovial bane]

depends on the build tbh

[desert jasper]

You can always ignore the mirror until you're geared better

[fierce moth]

what breach/ritual/abyssal is, GGG... Come on... I never feel endgame can be boring like this level :(

[twilit mountain]

Kirra you know you can like, just not go in maps that have delirium, right?

[jovial bane]

Actually depends a lot, Abyss can sometimes be harder if it spawns in specific way

Expedition can be impossibly hard if you mess up

[twilit mountain]

If you screw up Expedition that's entirely your fault, you choose what it does

[jovial bane]

but tbf logbook expedition is sometimes hard to understand difficulty wise

[desert jasper]

It doesn't show what the map has over the maps in the atlas anymore

[jovial bane]

because I sure as hell don't remember the last 5 modifiers I've slapped

[twilit mountain]

Huh. Kinda weird change, not sure what the point is

[twilit mountain]

Hover over the little icon near your skills?

[jovial bane]

I ain't got time for that, I'm busy with setting the bombs

[desert jasper]

Because they changed so the things can be in any map
came at same time as the tablet change

[jovial bane]

I love setting up expedition

Shame the loot is garbage

[twilit mountain]

Then uh.... can't help you mate, your fault for dying too it.

[twilit mountain]

Fair enough ig

[jovial bane]

I think Abyss is real fun, but the Temple they've added is hmm

too parasitic

[twilit mountain]

The temple is apparently pretty shit in maps

[jovial bane]

It just wants too much of your time, it's like if they randomly added Ultimatum/Sanctum entrance

[twilit mountain]

It's just Lake of Kalandra again lol

[jovial bane]

worse

I mean Lake at least was smaller

[desert jasper]

Yeah I'm not sure I really like it
Sure there can be some powerful crafts or good drops
But it's so rng and most of the time you just get worthless

[jovial bane]

It's also too hard to understand

[desert jasper]

It's their "first actual league"
I hope the ones coming after aren't like this

[jovial bane]

okay I get that some rooms upgrade, but wtf do I need to connect to upgrade them specifically ? And why the hell I cannot connect to this tile over there, it blocks me the placement. I have to place it on those tiles

[twilit mountain]

Friend of mine has run over 40 to boss and has a grand total of 1 div drop, none of the vaal thingies, and like 30 ex

[jovial bane]

The tutorial for the temple is god awful, one of the worst I've seen

And I did play Dwarf Fortress

[desert jasper]

I've ran like 10 of the tier 3 golem room (doryani mech boss)
no drops at all from it

Like 2 rares and 3 blues

[jovial bane]

oh god, that's lake of kalandra again

[desert jasper]

Also can't access your stash at the crafting benches in there

[twilit mountain]

I saw someone run one made entirely in T15 maps, multiple T3 rooms, final room (being vague cuz idk if somehow someone hasn't figured it out). Nothing got through their filter lmao

[jovial bane]

That's why Last Epoch going out of service is my nightmare scenario. I need it to save me from GGG trying to pull yet another lake league

[twilit mountain]

I don't trust EHG to fix the issues I have with LE, so I've given up on the seasons being worth my time at all, I'll wait for the community to figure out expansive modding. And if it never happens then oh well.

[jovial bane]

I kind of get it, because that's my approach to GGG

Lake league traumatised me, and 0.2 of PoE2 did not help lol

Just less extreme, because I warily try the leagues out expecting nothing

[twilit mountain]

For me the core of PoE1 feels good enough that even a shit league is still some level of fun for me. PoE2 I log in to play specific builds and then I drop it until the next league and see if there's any build that catches my eye.
LE unfortunately has major issues baked into it that I can't ignore that sour my enjoyment of the game too much to play it anymore.

[jovial bane]

I dislike crafting in PoE1 personally, or rather gear progression and how tight stats get

what major issues ?

[desert jasper]

issues

[old dune]

@jovial bane how about poe2?

[jovial bane]

I actually like it, I'm just wary with it because they already pulled a lake with 0.2

So every league I just try it out hoping it's the good time, not another 0.2

[old dune]

@jovial bane I'm planning to play it . . is it fast like last epoch?

[jovial bane]

A bit slower

[twilit mountain]

Lack of build variety due to inept balancing, extremely lackluster combat feel, egregious performance issues, extremely boring endgame with no gameplay variety to it at all, horrid endgame bosses, shit crafting (hi, PoE1 crafting enjoyer here), and more

[jovial bane]

makes sense, minus crafting part

[fierce moth]

....Oh I forget one of tablets I placed is mirror... It explained why mirror always in a map

[old dune]

@jovial bane will it be hardware friendly? I mean optimized like last epoch? they have their own engine not unreal engine on titan quest 2 right?

[jovial bane]

I've dipped from PoE1 when I went to step by step guide

I've launched the calculator

okay so I just have to do essence crafting, easy. I want this this and this, and now I have to buy ...

1024 essences

I ain't clicking all that, I'm out

[twilit mountain]

I have no idea what you were crafting cuz nothing should take that many, and I've made triple elevated items

[jovial bane]

some supposedly midgame chest

[old dune]

what I'm after poe 2 is the graphics...and the boss count...

[jovial bane]

I think POE2 is UE5 ? Or am I imagining it ?

[twilit mountain]

Your guide was probably way off, and possibly made by essentially a scammer. high quality guides will show the most optimal way to get things

[twilit mountain]

Imagining it

They have an in-house engine

[jovial bane]

I thought Maxroll had higher quality guides

[twilit mountain]

Maxroll sucks

[old dune]

poe2 creators have their own game engine

[jovial bane]

but w/e

[twilit mountain]

Maxroll is legitimately dogshit for everything except D4 guides somehow

[jovial bane]

sure

well there goes my second gripe with PoE1

[old dune]

guides will spoil? I just think to fight some monsters and boss monsters..

[jovial bane]

information seeking

[old dune]

why poe1 were the 2 is superior in graphics?

[jovial bane]

much more mechanics

also it's very fast, some people like that

I'm personally not a fan of dying, because sometimes my brain falls asleep behind the wheel for 0.5 second

[old dune]

how far is the graphics from 1 to poe 2? I just need bosses.. and the wolf build..or a reflect build a warrior with armor.. or a samurai..

[jovial bane]

Graphics in 2 are definitely much better, idk about thorns. As in idk if its playable, but it exists

Druid with wolves is probably decent

You can be a werewolf and have wolves

[twilit mountain]

PoE1 jsut has straight up more content in every form than PoE2. PoE2 looks better, and if you really value combat feel it's hard to beat it, but what draws most of the hardcore PoE playerbase is build freedom/variety which PoE1 has in an unmatchable volume

[old dune]

is there a vampire build like dracula? the recent werewolf build is very good... I want it Fire wolf not ice..

[jovial bane]

But yeah, I've also disliked that before I do the research how do I play PoE I have to do the research to know where do I need to start the research lmao

[twilit mountain]

PoE1 does in fact have an abysmal new player experience, I will not argue against that. I got lucky when I started years ago, stumbled my way into a helpful streamer's chat and their comm helped me a lot when I was new

[jovial bane]

ye, and the fact there is a lot of content guides ironically does not help

because how am I supposed to know whether it's good or not

if it's a forum post, or a site at least I can skim through it. If it's a CC video series, oh god, oh why

[twilit mountain]

Pretty much just have to know who is reputable and who isn't, and that's rather difficult when we have people who intentionally make guides meant to mislead and bait people into RMT

[old dune]

I regret not buying diablo 4 on sale. I like the aspect to design face and body of character even though in game it won't be seen but you can see it in gear load out..I already have 300 hours in last epoch.. and I really need variety of bosses..the monsters to defeat... which poe 2 maybe offers in campaign and endgame..like elden ring graphics..

[jovial bane]

and add tribalism making the followers call their guy as the reputable one lol

[jovial bane]

PoE2 definitely has more boss variety

And I think you should regret not trying out POE2 on free weekend, because Steam sale is very soon. So D4 might be discounted again

[old dune]

@jovial bane i can't kill the damn Uber aberroth which is if I echo is at a damn 27,000 corruption. I'm at 850 corruption now using this reflect palladin. damn Uber abberoth so many color damage mechanics almost whole map is damage. I'm not playing the meta falconer who can kill him fast. it's a forge guard turn into palladin with 40,000 reflect flat damage,3,500 hp still not enough only lasted in harbinger pace. got 16 potions on my jungle belt.

[fierce moth]

🫠 A new day pierced by a octopus, cool. The green aura drain my es + life consistently and the range is pretty big

Don't want to play more poe 2 today

[jovial bane]

That's why I call it a fun game until it decides to be a torture device again

Then I launch mtg arena, pour my hard earned gold over a week and go 2 wins out of maximum of 7

feel like garbage, because I'm bad and go to bed

[old dune]

@jovial bane bear.. what can you say about my dilemma in last epoch..Uber abberoth is 27,000 corruption difficulty. I joined a party at 37,000 corruption and normal monsters one shot you..

[jovial bane]

no idea tbh

once we get into broader aRPG mechanical stuff my brain shuts down

too many variables

[old dune]

@jovial bane then let me ask the pleasure part. the killing in poe 2.. are the bosses there difficult?

[jovial bane]

hmm

[twilit mountain]

Artificially, yes. Mechanically no, they're just bullshit mechanics.

[jovial bane]

yes, especially if you don't have optimised build

they are quite souls-lite

[twilit mountain]

I would not agree with that at all

[old dune]

@twilit mountain played elden ring . . bosses just kill you there..but I can't play other games now aside from isometric ones.. started torchlight 2, then Warhammer inquisitor, now last epoch.. I wanna try diablo 4 and poe 2...

[maiden widget]

reminds me more of synthesis

i've played enough synth that it immediately turned me off

[jovial bane]

hard for me to recommend either PoE2 or D4. PoE2 is ... an experience. You'll either love it or hate it.

[old dune]

@jovial bane for hating part, what made you hate it?

[jovial bane]

Not much, by that I mean it has stuff that some people love, but other hate

Like lack of mobility skills, bosses that demand you get their mechanics, get used to dodging and still can sometimes out bs you

D4 is a safer bet, although lots of people dislike the simplicity of it

[old dune]

@jovial bane I thought so.. my last epoch build is at 100 % movement speed . . reflecting.. mobs die fast.. no wonder I always get chats on global in game in last epoch.. they played poe2 but got fkd like what you said. .it's also a trading simulator right?

[jovial bane]

very much

if you want real good items, you pretty much have to trade

[old dune]

no wonder people keep coming back to last epoch from poe2 and diablo 4...

[jovial bane]

none of those three games is perfect tbh

[twilit mountain]

Uh

LE has the lowest playerbase of these games

By a lot

[old dune]

that's they people want to combine the three .. le crafting, poe 2 boss fights, and diablo 4 character customization... wow.. perfect arpg..

[maiden widget]

people come back to the game that currently has new stuff available tbh

and so far LE has the worst cadence

[jovial bane]

yep

[old dune]

@twilit mountain which of 3 did you spent time most?

@jovial bane have you seen that wolf druid in poe2.. won't it solve the movement and kills all bosses?

[twilit mountain]

I have about 2,000 hours in LE, 1,300ish in D4, and like 600 in PoE2.
I have over 8000 in PoE1.

[jovial bane]

you might run fast, but you have no teleport abilities so you will always be slower than in LE

Do you need expansion to really enjoy D4 ?

[twilit mountain]

Wolf is slower than sprinting, and only works out of combat. Also it can kill bosses, sure, but with way more effort than several other builds.

[twilit mountain]

Not really but you do miss a good chunk of stuff

[jovial bane]

Because if you don't, I think D4 is a safer bet. The problem with D4 is it gets boring if you keep playing it I felt.

So first playthrough has no such problem

[old dune]

@twilit mountain does this mean you like last epoch the most?

[jovial bane]

PoE1

[maiden widget]

poe1, d4, le in that order

[twilit mountain]

No. I like LE the least lol

[jovial bane]

I think you should wait for tommorow and see how big D4 sale will be

[old dune]

@twilit mountain but the number of hours? it's not hierarchical?

[twilit mountain]

Why would it be hiererchical?

My favorite game series of all time has some of my lowest play time of any game

[old dune]

@twilit mountain more hours means more like for the game..

[twilit mountain]

Not at all

[old dune]

@twilit mountain how about v-rising?

[twilit mountain]

I don't have it

[old dune]

@twilit mountain internet says poe2 has 50 bosses in campaign and endgame?

[jovial bane]

Sounds about right

TBH I think you should wait for tommorow for steam sale

See the price of D4 and if it looks good try it out

[twilit mountain]

Probably. Most of those you're barely going to clock as bosses though. I count like, two things as real bosses.

[jovial bane]

D4 is closer to LE than PoE2 I think

[old dune]

@jovial bane yes I will... um, I add to cart "titan quest 2" ,did you play it?

[jovial bane]

I didn't

[twilit mountain]

TQ2 is very unfinished, it has I think two acts and that's it

[old dune]

@twilit mountain but it's only abberoth in last epoch. am I wrong to think poe2 offers more variety?

[jovial bane]

you are not

I mean even EHG is adding another pinnacle boss in two seasons

[twilit mountain]

You aren't wrong necessarily, but you're putting a lot of focus on the bosses and seem to be viewing it through a lens of them being the main attraction in the genre (they aren't really)

[fierce moth]

well more bosses don't let poe 2 more interesting to play after you learnt how 98% bosses attack you

[old dune]

@twilit mountain it's the character creation.. the one that suits the play style you like right?

[fierce moth]

No fun if your damage is poor.

Sigh I want to upgrade my wand but I don't own any d

[twilit mountain]

Building and the main gameplay loop is what are the big attractions for most players. I am VERY partial to building, I like being able to cobble something together out of an array of seemingly msimatched tools, it's why PoE1 has so much time in it. Nothing compares to the freedom that game gives me.

[old dune]

I'm excited to play diablo 4 and poe 2 campaign...these are the games hyped by Elon musk and asmongold ...

[jovial bane]

PoE2 campaign is great, D4 campaign from the base game is also real good

[twilit mountain]

Oh lordy

[maiden widget]

uh yeah

those are some names dropped

[twilit mountain]

Grifter fan spotted :/

[jovial bane]

why are we hijacking the convo there

[old dune]

@twilit mountain I'm sorry I'm not fan of grifters Deias..

@jovial bane this conversation made me laugh .. made me enjoy talking to fellow gamers..

I'm sorry guys ...

[jovial bane]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

anyway, PoE2 is an acquired taste. D4 is definitely much easier to get into

[old dune]

@jovial bane thanks Bear..

[sudden anchor]

wat build are you playin? is it better, as in more fun, tan previous builds you played?

[jovial bane]

I think essence drain Lich ?

So yeah, I get her problems.
Had the same last season lol

[sudden anchor]

i played tat too last season (essence drain) for quite a bit until i switced to caos fireballs

[jovial bane]

Caster builds in general are a bit awkward

I feel like with martial builds you have much easier time finding upgrades, even if it's something very small

[sand wigeon]

[jade jackal]

[jovial bane]

yk, bait or not it can be just ignored ? .__.

[sudden anchor]

wat bands do you listen to wile workin out?

[sand wigeon]

I don't. I rawdog it. I listen to the birds and shit.

[sudden anchor]

me too, but today I feel like turnin on some new music

[sand wigeon]

I listen to folk and indie so

https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_uihgkkVhBjR7SQn75qPArdh1a_SyZqQ

[jovial bane]

w/e metal band I'm in mood for

[sand wigeon]

I forgot I can just send a playlist

That's way easier than listing off individual songs

[desert jasper]

Alright
Time to head back home

[fierce moth]

lol interesting 🤔

[jovial bane]

hmm, I think it's the Temple being hard to get and annoying to run

I think it has similar trend to dawn of the hunt ?

but fitting tangents to properly estimate the sharpness of the drop would be annoying to do, so I won't do that

[maiden widget]

Them just skipping the promised endgame changes probably also didn't help

[jovial bane]

but otherwise I think numbers make sense. Game had the most players at launch, which is normal. 0.2 had a lot of retained people from launch

Plus it had 5 ascendancies, not 2

Rise of Abyssal probably had more initial players, because of new act and fixed game. 0.2 and 0.4 are smaller so less initial players

But that's not important, what's important is how sharp the drop is

It tells how people like the league mechanic and balance

[fierce moth]

@warped wren https://youtu.be/mt90FEGUYWw?si=BGloSzztfKniMcf8&t=158

wait what... what happened... why tiles and paths streamers spent lots of time and work to build just be destroyed in this way...

[desert jasper]

Ouch, never seen that happen

[fierce moth]

https://youtu.be/mt90FEGUYWw?si=E0lJMZyRmYjaQKND&t=625
hhhhhhhhhhh someone taught Quin how to see the perspective of architecture...

[warped wren]

Because it's a dogwater mechanic

[desert jasper]

dogwater being shit
before you ask

[fierce moth]

I mean...what have they done before random tiles are removed automatically?

[warped wren]

It is literally the single worst league mechanic I have ever experienced, including launch Kalandra and launch Expedition

And that's a low bar to fail lmao

[desert jasper]

Worse than Synthesis?

[jovial bane]

man, maybe I should start downloading Inquisitor Martyr

[fierce moth]

...I want to know what happened so may be I can avoid the same tragedy happen on me

they don't close the temple it seems. It just open the panel then they triggered something?

what are they triggered?

[desert jasper]

🤷

It's badly designed thing and they'll probably patch some things

[jovial bane]

considering that player drop ? They probably will

[fierce moth]

Have your temple closed to be done one time like them in the video?

It will remove random tiles when the progress close to reach the architect's room?

I have no idea why people just say this temple is sucks but nothing about why it's sucks

[jovial bane]

I sometimes see that it's because it's really long to do, but I think majority of why is because nobody know how tf it works

[fierce moth]

Oh Ziz said it's happened after he killed architect and go back to the panel, close the temple and see what will happen

[desert jasper]

Ah
Finally time to play some

[twilit mountain]

It's long, tedious, and really unrewarding. The most rewards you consistently get from it are during the campaign and that's by design because Jonathan straight up admits he doesn't play any endgame and so didn't see any issue with the mechanic.

[jovial bane]

Dear lord, that makes perfect sense. It tanks in the endgame

[desert jasper]

That... would explain a lot of things

Could also explain why the end game is in the state it is

[twilit mountain]

"Bringing massive endgame changes next patch don't worry"
skips the entirety of endgame changes this patch

[desert jasper]

Yeah
They better be some really good changes in 0.5 ||delayed again||

[jovial bane]

something something my black pill and dead genre

[vagrant topaz]

I had 70% last Epoch

[twilit mountain]

[jovial bane]

playtime spread wise

[placid yarrow]

What can I say. Variety is the spice of life

[fierce moth]

🤔 I don't think game director will learn the game they worked well without playing all contents by themselves. Do he like playing poe 2?
It's a big ❔ .

[vagrant topaz]

😏😏 Says the guy with 2k hours on Spellblade

Bu yeah, I haven't played much this year, and played a games outside of steam

Anybody saw some bleed oracle shenanigans?

[placid yarrow]

Instead of playing a different mastery I play a different game

[desert jasper]

Nah
But I'm heading for armor break now

[warped wren]

No, but I think in the endgame it might be possible just because of Unseen Paths, Entwined Realities, and Inevitable Critical

[vagrant topaz]

Is there smth with bleed and Crit?

[obtuse rune]

Oracle mastery, was tempted so I could see the NEW NODES. I honestly just want Apocalypse though

[jovial bane]

new nodes are sweet

but understandable

[desert jasper]

Honestly I was kinda disappointed in Apocalypse
should've been Alpaccalypse

[vagrant topaz]

Its more "Apoca-Sleep"

https://tenor.com/view/gary-spongebob-drums-joke-ba-gif-22902854

[fierce moth]

A trick is I have no idea which game do I want to play out of loot-based ARPG

Always appreciated games real gamers likes are so much

Just feel nothing worth to play or games I want to play are cooking or too expensive these games have

I wish poe 2 don't mean some chore for me but it's the truth now. Such a big pity of top-level art combo with boring and torturing gameplay...

why essence drain lich can't be as easy as chthonic fissure warlock on combats, just click one button then all enemies are attacked... Quite frustrating.
why chthonic warlock can't be as tanky as essence drain lich on defense, an unique helmet then stacking as more life and ward as possible is enough... Quite confusing.

[gilded elm]

There's no such thing as a game that makes every player happy. Sometimes you just aren't the right audience.

Granted, PoE2 does have fundamental issues but it seems unlikely to cater to a more casual playstyle.

[obtuse rune]

I just want to live out my fantasy of a Werewolf or Weredemon walking around mowing enemies down with visual death on screen. I'm a fan

[fierce moth]

I prefer artist more than gamer indeed, on roles

[gilded elm]

I prefer gameplay over art almost always. Art is secondary for me.

This is one the greatest games ever made IMO, even if the art sucks: https://store.steampowered.com/app/2128270/Path_of_Achra/

[fierce moth]

I want to ask you a "random" question. How will you draw a tree?

[jade jackal]

i like both

Good art, good gameplay, good story, why have less of anything

good soundtrack

For those who come after

[gilded elm]

Yeah, when the stars align and a game has it all, that's great for sure

But it's the exception, not the norm haha

[fierce moth]

story is the least important for a while... Until I realize no art can without story

[obtuse rune]

That is a random question and I have no idea xD

[jovial bane]

oh that game is real good from what Ive heard

[gilded elm]

It's very good. Basically a "turn-based ARPG" (it's turn-based, definitely not "action" but you're generally zooming through turns)

Good build depth

[vagrant topaz]

Smth like this I guess

I hope Van is better at drawing than me though

[gilded elm]

Beautiful, I'm going to train the next generation image model on this.

[vagrant topaz]

Thx

[desert jasper]

I'd put that on my wall

[jade jackal]

Jurassic Slop

[junior oyster]

Lol

[gilded elm]

Eviction notice? lol

[junior oyster]

no

Eviction noIice

[gilded elm]

oh, that makes sense

Interesting, Path of Achra uses the Alagard font too. Definitely looked familiar, Megabonk also uses it.

[junior oyster]

I really need to go back to Palworld https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vn4-gKzJr0A

[gilded elm]

Same. I like Palworld, but got a bit upset about the features that were slowly removed from the game because of the Nintendo Japan lawsuit

I know they had no choice and screw Nintendo, but still sucks to lose features

[junior oyster]

Yea the glider thing annoyed me the most

Like the summoning is w/e

But every game out there uses gliders

[gilded elm]

Yeah, first it was the sphere throw summon and then the gliders, that really hurt

[junior oyster]

F U gamefreak

[gilded elm]

I loved Galeclaw gliding and I haven't played since then

[ebon meadow]

Reminded me of the meme "Jessica from the park "

[jovial bane]

I do wonder whether they've removed it, because lawyer suggested doing it for the time of the lawsuit

because Nintendo did lose one patent, the throwing ball iirc

[junior oyster]

I don't think they've necessarily lost the patent but I think they kinda got told 'bring a stronger argument'

Cuz there were games before Pokemon that did summoning

[jovial bane]

hmm ? nono, I remember reading that Nintendo's patent got revoked

ah no, I was wrong

nintendo had a patent application denied, and their existing patent reexamined

[fierce moth]

@obtuse rune it's a good example ⬆️

100% depends on your skills and your imagination.

Just follow your intuition.

Not need to be digital, hand drawing is welcomed

[fierce moth]

My idea

(Inspired by random curves which Vlad drew as roots, I polished and manged them in a new way)

[junior oyster]

Honestly the only channel I'd actually like to become a patreon but I can't currently xD

Oh you can join for free huh

[ebon meadow]

U can always joing the chanell for free yea ,I have a same thing with 2 channels of old movies reviews lol it's just u don't have acces to some content if there is any created

[jovial bane]

the only patreons I've subbed for were making cool D&D maps

considering it saved me hours of time for much better product, it was quite a good deal

[junior oyster]

I actually like slow mo guys

I've watched their content since day 1 xD

Before I deleted some of my files I didn't even realise just how much I'd accidentally uploaded to the cloud

Like I had the MS subscription for years and vividly remember disabling onedrive

The % was around 780% earlier

Cleaning up onedrive that I DON'T even want or need

Also hell no

Also absolute pain to actually delete these files

Anything more than 30 seems to fail to delete lool

There FU M$ I ain't paying you for some useless feature I couldn't give a crap about lol

[neon sigil]

Pc in its new box. No longer in a cardboard case.

[abstract karma]

last buy to your hardware

next sale will be in 2035

[jade jackal]

just got a new case today

a lian li a3, i like it

[junior oyster]

Searched entertainment in play store

First thing I see is chat to ai with 10m+ downloads

Damn

[jovial bane]

I was so paranoid about tarrifs raising the prices of hardware I've upgraded in august

Turns out my hindsight was great for wrong reasons

[junior oyster]

I was forced to upgrade in July

Old pc just died on me suddenly

[jovial bane]

Hilarious how lucky you were

[sudden anchor]

Same. I bought some RAM too before the storm. Was surprised how cheap it was. 16gb for like 35€. Funnily i bought it to run ai.

If only i bought more ram

[junior stirrup]

Foresight? Hindsight is back in time 🙂

[fierce moth]

Oh, thanks for Jesus

GGG confirmed what happened

This patch will work tomorrow

[fierce moth]

It's hard to accept how sweet of biscuits from Europe are...

This biscuit... I left it in fridge for... A year I think. Still not cost all. It let me feel I'm chewing sugars with chocolate flavour... And it's quite expensive so I'm confused why people still willing to pay for this level of price. Luxury biscuits with bad core.

... Maybe it's why zero drinks are popular?

Super sweet biscuits with zero sugar drink. Wild combo.

[gilded elm]

Artificial sweeteners like aspartame, erythritol, sucralose etc (in zero sugar drinks) are actually very sweet to anyone who abstains from sugar.

I like most artificial sweeteners.

I'm kind of a fiend for Coke Zero Sugar, much prefer aspartame over sugar.

[fierce moth]

creative 👔

[desert jasper]

ofc i just beat the architect yesterday and all the reward rooms were placed at terrible spots

[fierce moth]

I don't know the right time to dodge when he shoot lightning rays

short lightning rays is blinking before the final shoot. I press dodge when this reminder is live. But I always dodge too early then the ray just shoot to me

[abstract karma]

when i started using spear for melee i noticed how sometimes is way easier dodge bosses from close than some distance
Weird..

Either way Blizzard sale dropped prices of Diablo so idk if i should go for devil trade a finally buy rest of Diablo series

[sudden anchor]

Keep your friends close and your enemies even closer.

[fierce moth]

My brain is buggy sometimes. Did it again, I know how to dodge in the 2nd combat

[sand wigeon]

Why would you leave biscuits in the fridge for a year…

[fierce moth]

chocolate stuff can't survive in a 8 month summer

[desert jasper]

Yeah but year?

[jovial bane]

ah, you are correct

Never had those biscuits, but triple chocolate is already off-putting. I prefer butter biscuits or gingerbread

[junior oyster]

Yea triple chocolate is asking for too much

I've had triple choc cookies

And while very tasty causes mild toothache lol

[maiden widget]

triple choc is good if it uses 70%ish+ choc and good cocoa powder

[jovial bane]

true, it needs dark choco

[fierce moth]

.... Promotion & shapes of pillows are too various... I'm lost

Any pillows are better than mine though. Just not sure which one should I start to try

I slept on a stack of books for a while... Old pillow is too soft to support my shoulders and head so it's not comfortable at all so I want to upgrade my pillow

[jovial bane]

I think first two look much better, because they are not indented. It's much better to have the foam or w/e fills it take the shape of your head under the weight

The moment you don't exactly fit into the third or fourth one you'll end up with neck pains

First one is probably the best

[maiden widget]

normal pillows still work best for me, everything special just leads to neck pain for me

[fierce moth]

Alright, I ordered this one. Butterfly shape pillow attracted me then I pick one with 5s bounce back and PU material.

[jovial bane]

idk about butterfly shape, but maybe it will be great ?

never tried one like that

[fierce moth]

Today I applied 20 companies, let's see which one is that luck guy to own me
😆 I like this mindset

[fierce moth]

Experience from another pro in game industry. He have worked in Autodesk too...
EHG's power is amazing

[jade jackal]

QA is the absolute trenches

[fierce moth]

(I don't know what's Autodesk before I knew I'm a fan of architectures)

Autodesk is a American software company which developed Maya/3ds max/CAD.

Maya is one of common softwares in game art development.

Well I don't care which jobs have he done, but I care he had a chance to work in one of famous game company in this world. You know, earlier you're in a industry, more chances and resources you can get.

The exclusive advantage of 80s/70s rich people

[jade jackal]

Companies like EA and Actiblizz are infamous for absolutely abusing their lower rank employees