📚┃off-topic

[gilded elm]

Creatives, especially artists, are so busy hating on AI that legitimate artists are getting caught in the crosshairs.

[sand wigeon]

See, now you’re outside your field

[abstract karma]

nothing extra will happens..

Either way you will be in hight position and you keep your work
or
you will need find different work where AI isnt used like "work with hands" and "not with brain"

• who will hire person when AI will make his work whatever there are some things to repair

[sand wigeon]

You say you’re part of the tech industry but you distinctly aren’t a part of the art industry

It’s not like vibes coders are considered all that good at their jobs anyway

Even using AI as a supplement, I’ve just not seen it actually be helpful

[gilded elm]

I don't have to be an insider to be an observer. We see time and again people are being accused of using AI to create their art and going through pains to document their process and prove they are legitimate.

[sand wigeon]

Because of people like you who abuse and promote it lol

Like, you’re the problem

People in the art field are understandably scared of something so emotional and personal being corrupted by an unthinking, uncreative machine built off plagiarism

I’d rather go through pain to prove I don’t use AI than have people assume everyone does

[abstract karma]

Webcoders, lowcoders of IT will or are disappearing due to AI because it was lower work which you repeatly made some templates or made automatic tests for something

Problem of all of it is that While AI will be able do that all, how the hell next generation will learn understand what it will do for them since basics you need for it nobody will be paying as possible work

[placid yarrow]

AI is good at certain things, really good even. And still completely horrid at others when it comes to programming, and tbh almost everything

[warped wren]

creation of Warhammer 40k's Techpriests in real time

[sand wigeon]

I don’t use any AI in my work, not even spell check, and while I can’t actionably prove all of that I can confirm I don’t use generative AI

Like, AI is just not an effective tool

We saw this even before generative AI with services like Grammarly

[gilded elm]

Yeah, the gap is closing and we're seeing actually decent vibe coded projects emerge on occasion. It's a demonstration of what's to come as language models and image models improve.

[sand wigeon]

And the way AI is built isn’t made for programming

Which is a really bad sign for its longevity

And how are people meant to actionably improve or fix their program if they don’t understand what’s in it

[gilded elm]

Chat models are predictive engines. Coding is something they are becoming increasingly good at.

[sand wigeon]

AI is a low shelf life product

[gilded elm]

The only limitation right now is the context window.

[sand wigeon]

Prediction is fallible

I’ve seen it plenty

[placid yarrow]

Yeah I do thing AI can be a great supplemental tool for a lot of things already. And for certain applications you can even let it do most of the actual work and it'll do a decent job. But on other things, especially when it comes to more original and unconventional problems it'll usually just crap itself currently

[gilded elm]

I've generated tons of boilerplate code using chat models. We have people using chat models to generate entire automation test suites in Python that work very well.

[placid yarrow]

Basically AI is great for boilerplate

And decent at other things

But extremely bad if you try to rely on it entirely currently

[gilded elm]

For sure, it still benefits enormously from that human touch.

[sand wigeon]

And just because it can be used, doesn’t mean it should. People also expected it to make a worker’s life easier when factory automation began, that’s well documented beyond my word, and instead it did just replace them, as you stated

Like I don’t get how people are watching the same thing happen again and expecting a different outcome, though there’s a lot of that going around in the world right now

[placid yarrow]

Yep. I myself have yet to touch AI at all when coding but I can recognize it's a great tool. I just hate having code that I don't know the exact function of. And if I were to use AI and try to read through and understand what it wrote it'll usually be faster to just write it myself

[gilded elm]

Besides tools like Cursor for vibe coding (which is a bit less practical atm), there are actually practical AI-assisted tools emerging, for example Zed for Rust: https://zed.dev/

[elfin stream]

I'm still waiting to see when the intelligence part of AI starts existing because it feels like a misnomer as it stands. It's not "just give it a few more years and we'll have C3P0 in real life!" it's "just give it a few more years and no information stored online is trustworthy anymore"

[sand wigeon]

so real

it’s all artificial. zero intelligence

[gilded elm]

It is a misnomer, largely. AI as we tend to understand it in fiction is called AGI.

[sand wigeon]

we know

[placid yarrow]

The thing is AI can't improve itself in isolation. At least not current models and architectures. It needs external training data and correction. So current models literally can't completely replace pretty much anything

[sand wigeon]

you are not the smartest guy in the room, we know

my little zaps are high damage

[abstract karma]

for guys which understand code and core behind it sure..

But now you say how you will train next generation of IT if AI basically do what could do normal person with little open mind ?

• somebody has to control IT, checks it.. And how next generation will be able do that when AI will splash on them amounts of unrefined code
  (whatever is final quality of its actually..) and they will be not able comprehent it ?

[sudden anchor]

Ive made my whole app with ai. Not a single line of code was written by me. It still was work over 3 months, everyday working up to 8 hours on it. But i wouldve never learned programming in that time on such a Level to do it myself. It was very tedious at times having to repeat myself and finding errors myself sometimes. Not at all ai doing all the work in one easy prompt. I learned alot and am grateful for ai. I think its the future of Programming language, prompting and knowing the limitations of your ai. Thats also why i chose to make it with ai

[sand wigeon]

I think the future looks bleaker than hells, then

I don’t think saying “I made it all with AI without knowing anything” is a good thing

[gilded elm]

There are efforts now to train models on AI-generated data, if I remember.

[elfin stream]

So did you make it with AI or tell the AI to make it for you, because you've said both here

[sand wigeon]

I think you should need to know how to do that

I do not in fact think anyone should go “make this” and then be able to claim it as their work

That’s not creation lol

[twilit mountain]

That is incredibly sad and I am glad to not share this experience with you. And I never will.

[sand wigeon]

That’s subjugation

[sand wigeon]

Fr

[gilded elm]

As a software engineer of over two decades, I think that's really cool. Putting aside whether it was well made, I think there's real value in learning from creating, even if the chat model wrote all of the code. You still learned something.

[sand wigeon]

You learned how to cannibalize code yourself, incredible

That’s learning on a “stilted foundation”

It’s a term in art creation, it’s when you create off bad beginnings

If not corrected, it leads to errors and then more errors throughout your entire work

The art book of Disco Elysium had a really good piece on this

[elfin stream]

"You go ahead and code this for me, I wanna sit on a chair in the corner and watch you go at it"

[sand wigeon]

How are you meant to fix code, improve it or work independently when the very foundation you understand it from is flawed?

If an AI eating AI code worsens itself I think it’s more than obvious what a human eating AI code will experience

[sudden anchor]

I ask ai to fix my code. Why would i go lower levels than that?

[sand wigeon]

There’s a reason we don’t allow such diablerie

[sand wigeon]

You live a sad life

[elfin stream]

This gave me a good laugh thank you

[sand wigeon]

One of false skill and mercurial competence

[elfin stream]

do you think the AI will say "ah of course I intentionally made that mistake to throw you off"

[sand wigeon]

Lol

[abstract karma]

how can you be sure that next move you say to AI will be actually "fix of the code" if you dont understand what it does or possible error or reason of the error ?

[neon sigil]

Well at least its an app that doesnt need qa standards.

[gilded elm]

Brilliant, lmao. I expect there were times where the chat model still wasn't able to fix things, though. And you did have to try and prompt it better.

[sand wigeon]

“Brilliant”

This guy lmao

[placid yarrow]

Imo using AI in art and programming is fundamentally different. In programming you're not really expressing yourself, there literally is a best way to program anything. But art has nothing like that. If AI can get us more optimized and better programs faster I'm all for it. People hate making boilerplate especially and if an AI can help you make optimal boilerplate that's great, the programmer is happier and the consumer is happier.

If the entire software industry's future is just AI's making other AI's because they do a better job than humans (this is insanely unlikely btw) then so be it. I don't think it'll ever happen but if it does I don't see why we should basically cut the legs of an entire industry because "the clankers are taking our jobs". We used to have people knocking on people's windows to wake them up before alarm clocks. Jobs and fields come and go as we advance as a society.

[sand wigeon]

I think that supplementing human work, no matter the field, with automation in our current societal framework is not utopian, it’s dystopian

[gilded elm]

Oh I agree, the process is different. But the impact on jobs exists nonetheless.

[sand wigeon]

We do not live in a society where automation is a benefit to the people, but instead the upper class

And that is the crux of my problem with it on a general level

[warped wren]

If the entire software industry's future is just AI's making other AI's because they do a better job than humans (this is insanely unlikely btw) then so be it
Are you, by any chance, aware of what's been going on in the SEO field?

[placid yarrow]

(I'm in computer science btw so I'm saying I'd be fine not having a job market if it means AI's would do a better job than me. I don't think it'll be the case but if it would be I'd be fine with it.)

[placid yarrow]

Yes and it's currently trash still

[sudden anchor]

Yea, working with the same model i got to understand its potential hickups better, thus altering my prompts. Its really just another language to learn or more like a compiler

[warped wren]

it's literally LLMs copypastaing SEO articles of other LLMs

it's comical, in a sad way

[placid yarrow]

Yep. It's complete ass

[warped wren]

it's trash BECAUSE of this exact behavior

[sand wigeon]

Can we all agree AI art is garbage

[placid yarrow]

It'll likely continue to be ass. Because current models simply can't improve themselves without outside help

[sand wigeon]

Like we can all agree with that, right

[gilded elm]

This is how I approach automation replacing human factory jobs. Manufacturing in affected factories were less error prone absent the human element.

[warped wren]

yeah I read an article about how LLMs are likely to go into this failure loop because they're inputting data that the LLM itself has created and then coming out with a worse output and then the cycle repeats ad infinitum

[abstract karma]

Agains above a few posts -- this apply for veternas of the field which "know-how"

Younger and next generation will not and with AI, who of these big corporates will hire guys to get necessary experience ?

[warped wren]

it's awful really

[gilded elm]

The current ceiling for AI art is still pretty low, yeah. It's improving, slowly, but surely. Should've seen the earlier models.

[sand wigeon]

No.

There is no improvement.

You understand it is not art, right?

[elfin stream]

even if we entirely ignore the mode of creation ethically speaking (which you never should but yknow)

why does it all suck. like a lot. lmao

[warped wren]

nice way to miss the entire point

[gilded elm]

I consume art from a different perspective as artists, that should be clear.

[sand wigeon]

The wrong one

Lol

This is not a hyper-intelligent artificial brain seeking meaning and reconciliation with its actualized existence

This is a predictive algorithm stealing work and guessing

[gilded elm]

Or I guess, if you get down to it, art does in fact evoke feelings, emotions in me. But I've seen AI art that was capable of that, as well. To me, that's still art.

[sand wigeon]

Oh my gods

No wonder talking to you is impossible

You are baby

Little childe

[placid yarrow]

Take it easy

[sudden anchor]

I do value art for the work and skill that was put in, but also i wouldnt care for many creations, like le designs for example, to be ai or human generated. I dont go and check who made it. I simplx enjoy it or dont.
But if im at an artist whos showing me his work, its different

[placid yarrow]

Don't devolve to insults please.

[sand wigeon]

Oh, I’m referencing something, my mistake

[placid yarrow]

No

[gilded elm]

I won't lie and say AI art hasn't made me feel emotions. It has.

[sand wigeon]

Which AI art

Now I’m just curious

[elfin stream]

let's cut to the chase and not dance around the subject

AI knockers never match the real thing, whether they're drawn by a real person or owned by a real person

I've said my piece

[gilded elm]

If you want an accounting of AI art I've seen in passing from various sources, or even generated myself as part of inferencing work I've done at my job, I don't have specific works to share. I don't keep a directory of artwork, whether it's AI-generated or human-made.

[sand wigeon]

i just can’t imagine moving photography or writing or post-modernist dodecahedral non-euclidian landscape art coming from ai

not any that impacts me in a meaningful way

because it lacks intention

no matter the work, it lacks intention

there is no variance, it’s innately hopogenous (thanks censor)

[gilded elm]

I want to say 99% of the art I consume is made by humans I don't know. I don't know what their intentions were in creating that piece of art. So that's never a factor in how I consume art, personally.

[placid yarrow]

Tbf to me someone pretty much repainting an old painting is still art too. Like if someone painted starry night today I'd call that art

[twilit mountain]

Ah yeah can we get someone to bring this up, we keep having to say "H-exalt"

[sand wigeon]

It can be, because there’s intention

You can see the difference in each artists process

But with AI, that intention isn’t there

The differences, perhaps, but not the intention

[gilded elm]

This is a level of artistic appreciation that I'm skeptical actually exists among most of the population who consumes art in one way or another.

[sand wigeon]

Most people are mot artists, correct

I am, so I am speaking as an artist

[sand wigeon]

Also this is just a bad way of consuming art

Art class should teach you this

Art and creation is as much about analyzation and assumption as it is about reality

Part of consuming art is puzzling out the intentions of the creator

Sometimes they’re simple, sometimes complex

[placid yarrow]

You're not wrong but I think there's a disconnect between artist and consumer here. As a consumer if you showed me two starry nights, one AI and one human and I don't know which is which I might say the AI one is better. I'm not saying AI art is better but I think you get what I'm saying, if I don't know which is which and AI is good enough (idk how good AI art is currently I'm generally not into art) I might prefer it over a non-genius artists version.

[gilded elm]

I was taught there was no wrong way to consume art.

[sand wigeon]

There are wrong ways to consume art

People who say otherwise commit half measures as their ideologies

I do not enjoy half measures

[sand wigeon]

I personally have not experienced this, so I suppose I can’t say how I’d feel about it

[placid yarrow]

To me this reads as English teachers trying to squeeze water from a stone from old literature when it comes to meaning if that makes sense. People find meaning where there is none literally all the time. I would be absolutely shocked if people don't go "oh yes I can totally see what they meant here" when looking at a braindead AI's art. Even if the artist is braindead the consumer will still invent meaning. The only reason you say there's no meaning is because you know it's AI art is basically what I'm saying. And you're not actually wrong. I just don't think it matters to the consumer of the art

[sand wigeon]

I’d say there is no wrong way to create art, but then someone will go “isn’t using AI creation” and then my point is misunderstood

[sudden anchor]

I ran alot of tests. And learned alot by seeing how the code works or doesnt. After a while i got a feel for it, though it wouldve been more efficient to learn typescript directly probably. That i wouldve never completed tho tbh haha. Im lazy, i need the least amount of words i Type into my pc to do the most amount of work.

[gilded elm]

I recall one of the biggest ways art is taught almost everywhere is that "you should find your own meaning from a work of art"

[sand wigeon]

Part of being a writer is taking credit for your accidents

[twilit mountain]

Evident.

[sand wigeon]

I think this is a big part of what divides people with a writing interest from those stuck in English class

Did an artist actively intend something with a line? No, maybe not, but part of consumption is figuring that out. And sometimes the artist takes credit for their accidents.

[sand wigeon]

Correct

[placid yarrow]

My point is if the consumer didn't know the art was AI they'd see meaning in AI art as well. And at that point it doesn't really matter if there was actual intention or not behind it, in the eye of the beholder it does have intention

[sand wigeon]

Which is why I’m against the creation of ai art at a base level, yeah

[placid yarrow]

That's totally fair

[gilded elm]

Yep, in the absence of that knowledge that a piece of art is AI created, it's entirely possible to derive meaning from it.

[sand wigeon]

Sorry for misunderstanding what you meant, thanks for clearing it up

[placid yarrow]

People think some random rocks on the moon are a face is basically my point

You can give them AI slop and if they don't know any better they'll think it's the most meaningful piece of art ever

[sand wigeon]

Well

[gilded elm]

I would even go a step further, most consumers would still be able to find meaning from art even if they knew it was AI-generated. Just my guess, not a fact.

[sand wigeon]

That’s when we get into religion and some more complex topics

Because to me, as someone who does think the universe is godly and created with intent, just not by a god, that does have meaning to me

But that’s not an actionable viewpoint lol

I’m not going to promote that, I’m just mentioning it

[placid yarrow]

Fair enough. I think you see my perspective on what I meant though right

[sand wigeon]

Yeah

[gilded elm]

Divinity is certainly tricky. Someone could share a roughly similar spiritual belief, except with one alteration: that AI is just another expression of divine intent.

[placid yarrow]

Is this that guy that made temple os

[gilded elm]

LOL

[placid yarrow]

Channeling the words of god through his code

Lmao

[sand wigeon]

I love TempleOS

[sudden anchor]

Would you prefer to type suitable things in assembly or in a higher level language?

[sand wigeon]

It’s so weird and I love weird things

[sand wigeon]

Yes she would

Lol

[gilded elm]

You'd be surprised how many people in r/ChatGPT actually think their chatbot is on the verge of sentience. Wouldn't be surprised to see AI cults emerge eventually.

[sand wigeon]

Wait until you learn about the partner AI sphere

Who believe their AI is a person and in love with them and are married

[gilded elm]

Yep, see a ton of that in the ChatGPT subreddit already lmao

[sand wigeon]

I think it’s worth noting that AI is inherently made to take advantage of people

[placid yarrow]

I enjoyed learning assembly but you're never catching me programming in assembly on my free time lmao

[gilded elm]

Like bro, it's a predictive model, it has no capacity for sentience.

[sand wigeon]

I don’t blame those people

[sand wigeon]

You’re just as much a possible victim, too

[gilded elm]

I'm more grounded in terms of understanding what AI is and isn't. At the very least.

[sand wigeon]

Much like propaganda, I think it works on anyone and everyone, given the right circumstances and message

[twilit mountain]

Yup. I would love to.

[sand wigeon]

Thinking yourself above it is one of the first steps to becoming a victim of it

Same goes for propaganda

No one is immune to propaganda

[placid yarrow]

To me C++, C# and Java are the sweet spot, C is borderline annoying but still fine

[sand wigeon]

I like C++, C#, Python and HTML (if we’re counting that)

[placid yarrow]

I've never even touched stuff like Python

But I'd like to learn it tbh

[sand wigeon]

JS is awful, I don’t have experience with Java tho

[placid yarrow]

it's nice for certain things

[sand wigeon]

It’s really easy

You could learn it in a day

[placid yarrow]

Java is what i'm most experienced with

[twilit mountain]

I f#cking hate JavaScript but I would still happily go type every single line manually than turn it over to a machine to do it for me. The progress of doing it is rewarding to me.

[placid yarrow]

Yeah I know I just don't feel like I've had a reason to yet

[sand wigeon]

That’s fair

[placid yarrow]

I basically just need to learn the syntax and i'll be good

[gilded elm]

JS has gotten better over the years, a lot better. Still, I don't know if I'd recommend learning it over TypeScript.

[sand wigeon]

Make me a Hideo Game

[placid yarrow]

But currently whenever I wanna make a quick and dirty app that python would be perfect for I just make it in Java lol

You know I love my public static void main(String[] args)

[placid yarrow]

I've been thinking of making one tbh. I just don't have any concepts I'm passionate about rn

And I'm also lazy

[sand wigeon]

Mm

I’m trying to start work on a game

But I also have boundless creativity and I need an output constantly

[gilded elm]

Java is fine, certainly has a more unified ecosystem and standardized project structure and environment, unlike Python which has all kinds of different project and dependency management tools.

[sand wigeon]

(Not a good thing)

[placid yarrow]

I can't really be bothered to make small games for the sake of it currently. But if I had a grand vision of an actual game I'd for sure start with smaller projects and not dive straight into a big project

[twilit mountain]

I'm part of this. Slowly. I've had a shitass migraine the past two days.

[sand wigeon]

That’s what we’re trying to do, yeah

I have the basic concept of the big game but we’ll start with a smaller one

[placid yarrow]

People hate on it but honestly some of the newer version of Java have a lot of what you might want from a modern programming language. Obviously stuff like Rust or whatever exists but idk I haven't felt restricted because I use Java. It's not as performant as other languages but it's also not Python lul

[sand wigeon]

I am not good at a technical level so I’m mostly divergent from that part of the creation

[gilded elm]

Java: choose either Gradle (preferred) or Maven
Python: choose Poetry, SetupTools, UV, Conda, Miniconda etc

[placid yarrow]

So far my most miserable programming experience has been haskel. I legit think you gotta learn functional programming from the getgo to enjoy it or something. You can't make me like it more than object oriented languages even if you tortured me

[sand wigeon]

i code in 1's and 0's actually.

what, you can't convert binary in your head?

[gilded elm]

Java is still extremely performant relative to Python, though. People like to clown on Java's "performance issues" but it actually performs really damn well for well written code. The CPython runtime is actually just a "reference implementation" and is by design not optimized for performance whatsoever, this is why projects like PyPy exists and even still, Java is far more performant.

[sand wigeon]

smh.

[placid yarrow]

I'd legit rather program in assembly no cap on a stack frfr

[placid yarrow]

Yep

Og python under the hood is a nightmare

It's like that homer meme where he has all the fat clipped behind his back

[elfin stream]

I had an action replay cartridge for my nintendo DS and you had to manually type in the cheats in strings of random garbled letters and numbers

that's vibe coding right

[twilit mountain]

BASED

[gilded elm]

Yeah, CPython is a slow piece of crap. Even PHP8 performs better last I checked.

[twilit mountain]

THOSE THINGS ARE SO COOL

[placid yarrow]

https://tenor.com/view/skinny-homer-skinny-homer-homer-skinny-gif-26715248

This is og python

[elfin stream]

sadly it kinda fell apart because I was an irresponsible little brat :(

but oh well

[gilded elm]

LOL yep. Python is still good for IO-bound workloads, but for anything that's CPU-bound it's absolutely terrible unless you have C bindings for the heavy stuff.

Java also has real threads, as opposed to Python's green threads.

[placid yarrow]

I can starve my threads fr in Java 😎

[twilit mountain]

Threads... like.... threadlings

They approach

[sand wigeon]

this season be like

actually it's all grapples

[twilit mountain]

The threadlings come frmo the gods damned guns now

[gilded elm]

I haven't touched Java in a couple years... are we still using things like Apache Commons / Google Guava or has this stuff finally been incorporated into the Java API?

[placid yarrow]

I'm not sure tbh. I'm not old enough to have worked with Java in enterprise settings yet :P

I think Apache is still used

not so much guava though

[gilded elm]

I mostly just remember them being huge when I was working on Minecraft-related stuff lol

I used to be a contributor to SpigotMC (performance fork of CraftBukkit) and a team member of PaperMC (performance fork of Spigot) which is where most of my Java experience comes from, back when I was earning a living from running a semi-popular Minecraft server network.

[placid yarrow]

Horribly multithreaded LP simulator sheeesh

[gilded elm]

Threading is fun /s

[placid yarrow]

It is when you don't have to worry about almost any synch or starvation issues :P

they each roll items completely independent of each other and then I just sum their results at the end

afaik they don't starve really from the little debugging I did

[gilded elm]

Yeah, sounds like a perfect use case for threading, minimal or no synchronization required between data accessed from different threads.

[placid yarrow]

yea, they each just spam a roll function basically

store the value in a small array and then send the result in once they're done which gets summed and displayed

you can see the final result at the bottom having way more items rolled than the ones above it, since it's the sum of them all (they're not all displayed)

and also taking a little more time

[gilded elm]

Programming inspired by gaming hobby, good times :)

[placid yarrow]

Yep. I have one for WW too. I make them so I can verify my graphs against something

since I pretty much know for a fact the sims are accurate

[gilded elm]

Are these simulations used for Dammitt's build planner at all or is it just your own thing? Seems interesting

[placid yarrow]

My own thing

It's a nice cpu stress test lmao

[gilded elm]

Ah, cool. Not sure if these odds are actually part of the client files at all and can be mined, or if Dammitt is also running simulations.

[placid yarrow]

Well they are mined, and then you have to graph it out right. But it's easy to make a mistake graphing out functions since just a few lines of code can be a real pain to make into a mathematical expression

[gilded elm]

Have you used your findings to actually inform the decisions you make in-game?

[placid yarrow]

I wouldn't say so. At least not consciously

But I do check the values for sure

But yeah for reference this is weaver's will

fair to say you can make a mistake pretty easily

so it's nice having something you can check against

[gilded elm]

Ah, math formulas. My worst enemy D:

[placid yarrow]

This is also part of weaver's will lul

A lot of its size comes down to me not putting in time to simplify the expressions tbh

but like, that'd be even more work and opportunity for mistakes

[gilded elm]

Had no idea LE had such complex formulas lol

Or at least, they seem complex to me.

[placid yarrow]

Code just doesn't translate very cleanly into math sometimes is the gist of it

stuff that's expressed in a few if statements can blow up to big proportions when you try to translate it into a math expression

Like LPL is far simpler than WW math wise

even though in code they're similar complexity

[twilit mountain]

Sure is numbers and shit

[gilded elm]

I bet this would look really good if you throw it on GitHub and put it on your CV/resume, especially for prospective game dev jobs.

[placid yarrow]

way smaller and even way simpler to write

And yes I love my parentheses. I know 90% of them are redundant

[gilded elm]

Are you printing out these math expressions in LaTeX? haha

[placid yarrow]

Nah it's graphed using desmos

I could do it through Latex though

[gilded elm]

Ah, first time I heard of Desmos. Makes sense, since I'm not a big math guy.

[placid yarrow]

It's basically just a site you can put in functions and it'll graph them for you

it's not that powerful tbh, just convenient

This is one of the more cursed things i've written

[gilded elm]

Hard to complain if it's free

[placid yarrow]

yep

It does what it says it does, and it does it fairly well

[placid yarrow]

This described the length of an arc going through a circle. it's to calculate how much damage you gain from increased area for disintegrating aura on hammer throw :P

[twilit mountain]

Can I get this translated into words? i want to know what it says but uh, yeah dyscalculia makes math rather difficult even on the low end.

[placid yarrow]

I predicted you and described it right above your message ^^

[twilit mountain]

xdd

[gilded elm]

Oh interesting, length of an arc (contained within the circle)?

[placid yarrow]

yep, and you can move the arc wherever and it'll still get the right number

[gilded elm]

That's nuts lol

[placid yarrow]

Like if it barely skims the top it'll barely touch

so the arc length is way smaller

you can also change the circles size and the arcs curvature

Basically to get a generic solution to the problem you need to do some voodoo I found

[gilded elm]

Right, both things would affect the arc length.

[placid yarrow]

So you end up with a cursed integral

[twilit mountain]

I think I'm slipping here, what is the arc in question? I'm reading the circle as the hitbox and frankly I may just be stupid and not understanding

[gilded elm]

I'm not familiar with the build this is testing, but I guess the arc represents the hammer's trajectory and the circle represents the aura? And the damage of the hammer is increased for the duration it's in the aura?

[placid yarrow]

You can see there's a few more functions behind the scenes, I use where the two vertical ones intersect with the arc to find where the arc intersects with the circle for example

[placid yarrow]

The curved white line represents the path that the enemy takes from the perspective of the hammer basically

and the circle is the hammer and its aoe

[gilded elm]

Ah, circle is hammer

[placid yarrow]

yeah, it's by far the easiest way to do it even though it might seem weird

[twilit mountain]

Okay, so I was interpreting that properly somehow

[placid yarrow]

It doesn't really matter if the hammer moves in an arc and the enemy stands still or the enemy moves in an arc and the hammer stands still if that makes sense

you get the same result

and this won't calculate actual dps or anything. It only calculates "how long" the enemy spends in the damage over time aoe

which is proportional to how much damage you'll do

if they spend double the time in the dot you deal double the damage

[twilit mountain]

Makes sense

[placid yarrow]

and that time is represented by the arc length

[gilded elm]

So are you simply measuring arc length to determine whether the arc intersects with the hammer AoE at all (arc length > 0 = intersect confirmed) and therefore damage?

Oh so there is a time component.

Arc length would then also help determine how much time is spent within the hammer AoE

[placid yarrow]

No, I measure the arc length inbetween the two vertical functions in this image basically

where the two vertical lines intersect with the arc the arc also intersects with the circle

[twilit mountain]

Gotcha. I get the concepts just not the numbers, if that makes any sense to you

[placid yarrow]

There's also derivatives and integrals involved but basically that's all it is

measure how long the curved line is inbetween the two straight lines

The spooky green line that looks like it has nothing to do with anything is the derivative

and it's actually really important ironically

If we look at the cursed integral again, which is what actually gives the result for the arc length. It integrates over the derivative of the curve and not the actual curve itself

Tbh I don't even remember a lot of this math myself, I do these things in the middle of the night to prove myself right most of the time

I did this one to explain the damage increase of disintegrating aura for someone who was asking about it in ask the devs for example

I've never played disintegrating aura

[gilded elm]

I imagine the game's code is far simpler than this math. "if entity is in hammer radius, tick damage" lol. What you're doing seems to be projecting over a period of time, much more complex.

[placid yarrow]

Yes

Same goes for WW and LP

the actual code is super simple and I made the sims in a fraction of the time it took me to make the graphs

But tbh the code is pretty original at the same time. I think it's trasochi who made them and tbh I gotta give my respect. You can tell they're someone who can visualize these things really well

because when you first look at it you go wtf what are all these arbitrary numbers

but it all comes together smoothly

[twilit mountain]

To my knowledge Trasochi has done a lot of the "BTS" stuff for the game

[placid yarrow]

Damn it's so good it stops showing a result when the line is straight because it's no longer an arc 😎

this thing doesn't lie frfr

(It's because the math breaks when it's straight :P)

[twilit mountain]

LOL

[placid yarrow]

Hey it's made for arcs okay

[gilded elm]

but what if an enemy moves in a very very straight trajectory

[placid yarrow]

tbh I don't even know why it breaks lmao

[placid yarrow]

Well its assuming the enemy is stationary anyway. It's the hammers that go in an arc

[gilded elm]

Ah true, so it will always be an arc.

[placid yarrow]

but like I said. For the sake of the calculation which is moving doesn't matter. We can pretend the hammer is standing still and the enemy is moving along the arc that the hammer would have instead

which is what i've basically done

but yeah. There will always be an arc. unless you don't use spiraling hammers but no madman would do that

and if you did it'd be way, way easier to calculate lul. Pretty much all the trouble stems from it being an arc

[twilit mountain]

I wish I could slow down the spiral more tbh

[placid yarrow]

Here's a demo. it's got neat sliders and everything :P. All of them do tbf, which is why desmos is nice for quick little things like this. No need to mess with excel and stuff until you get into the big boy stuff

But yeah you basically do let's say area 10 to start, and if you wanna know how much 20% inc area will do you put it to 12 area and divide the arc length for 12 area with the arc length you had with 10 area to get the proportional time spent in the aoe

that being said 20% increased aoe gives you about 10% more damage :P

and 100% aoe gives around 40% more damage

200% is about 73%

and so on

Pretty good stat tbh, especially considering the increased coverage you get

[gilded elm]

It's a cool visualization. I imagine it's still hard to quantify the value of investing in AoE vs something else, I don't know... like "% more damage per skill point"

[placid yarrow]

Well you can compare it a more damage node it's pretty easily tbh. Since like I said there's a direct proportion between area and damage. Like if you can either choose 20% increased aoe (total, not on top of other increases) vs 5% more damage you should always go for the aoe

and if they're equal you should also go for aoe since it also gives increased coverage

as in it has benefits this doesn't cover

this is basically for bossing

for clearing purposes aoe suddenly has a lot more benefits

[gilded elm]

Oh yeah I didn't mean an actual "more damage" node but like comparing how much "more damage" two different nodes are, where maybe one node is AoE% and another is something else.

[placid yarrow]

Eh. most nodes can usually be fairly easily quantified into more or less damage for single target purposes

Obviously this isn't an all encompassing number. But it's something to take into consideration basically

Like even if the aoe gives slightly more damage. The other node might give you QoL so it's still worth taking over the aoe

but at least you know if it's close dps wise

since some people might think aoe is absolutely useless or the best stat ever without being able to quantify it

[gilded elm]

Yeah, reminds me of build planning in EVE Online, where these kind of more nuanced calculations actually matter a lot more. For example, my velocity, target velocity, my trajectory, target trajectory, my ship's signature radius, etc.

[placid yarrow]

yep

[gilded elm]

In terms of calculating actual DPS.

[placid yarrow]

Like this doesn't even take into account that the enemy can move lol

To be fair though that'd be impossible

It can't know where when and how an enemy would move

but for bossing purposes I think having them stand still is fair

most bosses spend a lot of the time standing still using a skill or melee attacking or something

[gilded elm]

Yeah, it's still mostly reliable. I mean, I don't think existing tools even account for this at all, so more reliable than current tools maybe.

I don't know if even PoB has this much depth in its DPS calculation.

[placid yarrow]

Thing is I don't even know the actual arc for the hammers lul. Because in the game it's not programmed as an arc at all, it's basically just spinning in a perfect circle but the relative distance from the player gets increased in a loop basically

like there's no curved function or anything

it's literally just, go in circle and then nudge it outwards really often

[gilded elm]

Record a video, measure the increase between rotations :)

[placid yarrow]

so unless I wanna dive into the server tickrate and hammer throw function and whatever else I'd need the best I can do is an estimate lol

I'd need to calculate it taking camera angle into consideration

Which is a hell nah from me fam

[gilded elm]

Hahaha

[placid yarrow]

and it'd still be an estimate anyway lmao

Maybe a slightly better one, but that's not worthwhile at all rofl

[gilded elm]

I'm guessing the difference in estimated damage becomes more pronounced between the two different estimations based on how many times the hammer rotations of the hammer hit the target, since each rotation will have a differnet arc length.

[placid yarrow]

yep. But to be fair for massive bosses like emperor of corpses the small difference in arc won't make much of a difference, you can basically multiply by how many times the hammer passes through the boss

Because while I'm calculating the arc length of a line, enemies have a hitbox :P

which tbf I could calculate it using a "thick" arc but that would have its own issues like having to know how thick your enemy is lmao

[gilded elm]

True, in reality your arc line would be "fatter" lol

Haha, yeah exactly

[placid yarrow]

using a line can actually simulate a thick hitbox but you'd still need to know the displacement of the arc which depends on the enemies hitbox radius

so it's pretty much the same thing as using a thick line

[gilded elm]

Sounds like a lot of work. I guess easier to just assume X boss will get hit Y times from a single hammer over the course of its existence.

[placid yarrow]

pmuch

I don't think this esimate is off by more than 10% depending on how good you get the curvature tbh. so its good enough for simple comparisons basically

[blissful token]

E33 so fun after semi-optimizing whatever picto/luminas i have at the moment

Gamba with Roulette is kek

Maelle can parry counter 9999 or 500+

[junior oyster]

Ok online mode in sonic crossworlds is pretty fun although I imagine at higher ranks it'd get a lot more sweaty

[fierce moth]

Hhhhhhhhhhh it just like players can't read meme

[fierce moth]

Metcha cheese cake + metcha tofu + metcha sponge cake. Decorated with metcha powder wave.

I have a chance to enjoy a fancy metcha dessert finally (the most expensive dessert I tasted)... Happy mid autumn, do you enjoy a mooncake today? @blissful token

yes... More expensive than that giant metcha crepe cake I tasted on my birthday

But get an experience is the most important thing 🙂 I know how top metcha dessert tastes now

It's this one. Five stars on metcha concentration hhh

Yes, I just like high-level concentration. Low level mean weak or zero metcha flavour.

[vagrant topaz]

👀

[fierce moth]

Maybe Vlad can copy this dessert? I guess it's a fun challenge for a pastry chef 😜

Maybe I can make a metcha dessert acrylic painting but I need to go back to actual life now...

Thanks for this short peace moment anyways.

I'm full now so I just want to take a walk

[blissful token]

I have normal lotus mooncake

Whew matcha on top of matcha

[fierce moth]

Oh I ate 3 in 2 days too. Before today. Mini version. Lotus with salty egg yolk.

But the filling of mooncake I want the most is red bean paste with salty egg yolk, some almond slices inside in the paste. I never have one.

(that's memory of childhood)

I'm glad to I tried metcha version so much.

About salty egg yolk, I'm confused why people think Chicken egg is a good idea

Duck egg is the tradition because it's more oily.

[blissful token]

I like the nuts with spice

Wat.. is this true?

That hamster name though. Fried fresh milk

[vagrant topaz]

Still better than fluffy

[fierce moth]

炸鲜奶 😂😂😂

This is a good name

[desert jasper]

I remember when my brother & his ex broke up and she took the cats with her to France
They had to get their own passports for the cats
I miss those 2 cats
They were wonderful. The other one was dumb as shit and the other one was a drama queen
super fluffy

[fierce moth]

I will select double layers milk though (双皮奶), it must cool down in fridge 3h+. Cold version will taste less fat.

[blissful token]

I like double layer char siew better

[fierce moth]

Oh that version with salty egg yolk? I never try yet

[blissful token]

Nah it was a joke, i dont know if it ever existed

Cant wait to play E33 if no mhwild session tonight

[desert jasper]

Oh yea
does mhwild have any better performance these days?

[blissful token]

Nope

Wait for tu4 in dec

They explicitly mentioned pc fixes in tu4

[desert jasper]

Shame
I really would like to play it

[blissful token]

I get dc having crossplay enabled since tu2

It is hellishly annoying

[desert jasper]

My friend had constant crashing in the ice area after tu1

[blissful token]

boot the game and see them in these outfits

[vagrant topaz]

Oui oui baguette

[blissful token]

oui

[vagrant topaz]

This looks like 99.99M of the french male population

Thats a sunday outfit though

[blissful token]

WAT

👀

[ebon meadow]

[twilit mountain]

So it's you

[vagrant topaz]

I did start to bake my own bread

[blissful token]

Do frechman swears alot

[vagrant topaz]

I have a kid, so I try not to

[blissful token]

wait is it fanculo?

i feel like i heard alot of it from pewdiepie back in the day

[vagrant topaz]

va fanculo (however its spelled) is italian for "go f yourself"

[blissful token]

i cant tell the difference between french and italiano

[vagrant topaz]

italian often finish with o or a

In french we prefer E

[blissful token]

so is Japanese with u?

[vagrant topaz]

I dont speak japanese

But the comparison doesnt really make sense, Fr and It (and Es) are all Latin based languages

So they are very similar

[blissful token]

what you do when peepo cut spaghett in half with scissor

[vagrant topaz]

I dont care ^^

But if you have your bread upside down

https://tenor.com/view/me-when-i-see-my-class-gif-15768348532634343334

[blissful token]

huh? bread upside down?

[vagrant topaz]

Meet bread

Now meet upside down bread

[blissful token]

OOhh

reminds me of those clips where white girl complains about pizza not having toppings but they just opened the pizza box the wrong side

[vagrant topaz]

Its bad luck

[vagrant topaz]

Love it

[blissful token]

i guess its the same as sticking chopsticks into a bowl of rice

[vagrant topaz]

Possibly ^^

[blissful token]

in chinese superstition

[vagrant topaz]

Upside down breads in bakery were for the executionner back in medieval times .
So taking that bread or having your bread upside down would be bad luck

[blissful token]

i see

sticking chopsticks in rice invites wandering ghost as it is a gesture to offer them the food, but then you eat it.. so, bad luck will come

maybe @fierce moth knows better. I dont really delve into Chinese superstition that much. Just some rules we follow briefly

[twilit mountain]

Japanese almost always finishes with a vowel. Just kinda... any of em.

[blissful token]

True

somehow thats what makes word sound less stoic and more polite?

[twilit mountain]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sand wigeon]

Tondemonai~

[blissful token]

dondake~

[junior oyster]

Getsuga tenshooooo

[sand wigeon]

San!

I don’t think mods would like if I swapped to a Japanese keyboard so

[twilit mountain]

TOTSUGEKIIII 🐬 ⚓ 🐬 ⚓ 🐬 ⚓ 🐬 ⚓ 🐬

[tawny sand]

i hear totsugeki in my nightmares

[vagrant topaz]

??

??

[blissful token]

wot this

[tawny sand]

it's may from guilty gear

she says "totsugeki" when she summons her dolphins

[blissful token]

oo

[tawny sand]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEPDLD--xB4

[obtuse rune]

Oh Guilty Gear...

[vagrant topaz]

This is painful to watch

Dirty dolphin spammer

[obtuse rune]

OG May was quite the annoying match-up for me in days of old. Being able to spam Dolphins... I don't miss it. I don't play this GG but was one of the few who scared me playing

[fierce moth]

Lol first time to see Judd's Chinese name

[vagrant topaz]

Playing any fighting games these days ?

[obtuse rune]

Not currently. I used to be big on the fighting gaming scene in college and highschool (and some time after). I've spotted a few fighters that look promising but I don't regularly play or practice a fighter at the moment. Do you or anyone else here?

[vagrant topaz]

I like Brawhalla in LE downtime

[obtuse rune]

Ah. A game I always apperciated but never played. They've been around for a while..

[abstract karma]

Minecraft Java wanna say "hello" 😄

[blissful token]

kek?

whats that crit rate for if i am ded

probably have to go along with picto that revive you or have a second life?

[desert jasper]

Got to crit yourself , you know

[fierce moth]

This market is more and more intense... Candidates not only must master at game engines and common software but also need to learn console platforms well

Live in an industry is quite hell hard

[gilded elm]

I can tell you first hand this is not because Java sucks, but because Minecraft Java really sucks. It's one of the worst coded pieces of Java software I've ever laid eyes upon lmao

My job used to be running a semi-popular Minecraft server network back in the day for many years.

And I was a contributor/team member to multiple Minecraft Java server mods (Spigot contributor, PaperMC developer). The entire purpose of these forks were to make Minecraft Java performance actually tolerable hehe

Pretty good summary of Java performance relative to other languages: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_performance#Comparison_to_other_languages

Also noteworthy:

In some rare real-life programs, Java out-performs C.

That said, that particular claim could also be due to the C compiler in question being really bad, as noted in the page lol

But I definitely agree there are valid criticisms about Java's performance which I personally think stem from Java making it really easy to write bad code.

[gilded elm]

Have you considered joining game jams to build experience with these things?

[fierce moth]

That was so much fun but team up is a hard thing unfortunately...

[gilded elm]

Maybe it becomes easier the more you do it

I have never joined a game jam before, so I don't know. But I often hear people in game dev say that you should join game jams if you want to learn more about game dev.

[fierce moth]

The full version of how to think AI tools in our life under my angle.

[gilded elm]

This is a stream I like to tune into sometimes to watch her make games in Godot Engine and all of her own art in Aseprite, not sure if you would find it useful: https://www.twitch.tv/jackie_codes

[fierce moth]

She's brave 👍

[gilded elm]

I know you are more interested in 3D stuff, but also 3D is a bit more complex in terms of skills required so maybe it's harder to learn when you're first starting out.

With 2D stuff, you're able to focus less on the art and more on the game engine. So it's maybe an easier way to learn about game engines (I personally really like Godot Engine)

And GDScript (the programming language for Godot) is not that difficult!

The engine is very popular too, so if you have questions, you could also ask AI "how do I do this in Godot?" and you might get good answers.

[fierce moth]

Any people who want to join in game industry in 2025 must master at not only jobs they want to apply, but also need to learn another skills well. The best way to show multiple skill layers is own your indie game. Yes it's the rule.

[gilded elm]

Maybe that could be a goal? Make a very small, simple indie game. Even if it's just 5 minutes of gameplay. The important thing is building experience.

There are many videos on YT (and probably Bilibili?) that can teach you how to get started.

[fierce moth]

Maybe game industry just not the right direction I want to go if I just want to build visual stuff?

[gilded elm]

I don't understand any of the text, but I assume there's some good videos here: https://search.bilibili.com/all?keyword=godot&from_source=webtop_search&spm_id_from=333.1007&search_source=5

[fierce moth]

I never into ideas of "I want to make my game", my idea is "I want to make my art"

[gilded elm]

In a real world game dev job, I think even artists will be expected to have some familiarity with game engines so that you know how the art/assets will be used in the game.

Don't think you need to be an expert, but I would expect at least some basic understanding.

[fierce moth]

My journey is ended there because my laptop just refuse to run ue/unity

[gilded elm]

Try Godot? It's much more lightweight and simple to run than both of those engines.

But it's mostly for 2D games.

It can do 3D, but not many 3D games are made in Godot, I think.

[fierce moth]

yes I just can't match with common requirements for an 3d environment artist, unfortunately

AI will ruin the market of digital art seriously too. The only choice is do physical crafting but it need luck to meet a good teacher. How to sell your products is the other problem.

The god just don't give any hope to me...

[gilded elm]

This is one of the "Environment Artist" jobs I see on indeed.com

lol, I just saw a "Marathon Senior Lighting Artist" job posting on LinkedIn from Bungie, posted 3 months ago. Is that game still happening?

[fierce moth]

🤔 New company I heard +1

[gilded elm]

Bungie is known for the Halo series and Destiny.

[fierce moth]

I thought you talked about real marathon lol

[gilded elm]

Marathon is an upcoming game from Bungie

[fierce moth]

this game name is quite confusing...

"Why a real marathon need to hire a lightning artist"

[gilded elm]

This Epic job posting looks very low requirement, compared to other jobs, they want a level designer who has experience using UE4 to design/create levels for Fortnite (buildings, props etc). It's not for you right now, but it's something you could work towards.

[fierce moth]

Not only game industry, but also film industry will need to learn ue5 too... Sigh

[gilded elm]

Really? That's interesting. I would've thought maybe Maya or Blender lol

[fierce moth]

:)
Just no doors and windows are available to open now. I gave up to think my future already, what can I do to enjoy my life under limited condition is the only thing I can do now

Like talking food with Van daily

Wick gave an good idea indeed. Talk about food with any CM

[abstract karma]

Maya and Blender are good Blender got later versions a lot of inovations but it's just can't be used on projects which are how to say "corporate made"

It's still not enough for such projects

[fierce moth]

I can change nothing for my life unless my luck is burst on something suddenly

So thinking "which stuff can I leave for this world" is the only fun

Think about features I would like to see in le's expansion is boring because I will expect nothing on anything + nothing I can think to expect

[blissful token]

man i am tempted to just go all out fire build in E33

maybe i will do it in NG+

[fierce moth]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DMSK_6ICx2g/?igsh=NjZ6djZtMnB0amFu

Oh... This type of hot honey... Butter version, with bread usually... Make sense. Will not taste bad indeed

[mental talon]

@twilit mountain Girl. It's time

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3865111

[mental talon]

Spooky League

[twilit mountain]

GOD DAMMIT, I'M BUSY THAT NIGHT

[sand wigeon]

What are you doing that night?

[mental talon]

I'll play for both of us

[junior stirrup]

Time to look at the remaining challenges, heh 😄

[twilit mountain]

It's Samhain (the start of it anyway) :<
I was gonna go relax in the forest for a while, near that stump clearing, and set up the fire pit when I get back, and just try to remember those who have left my life so far.

[sand wigeon]

Mmm.

You must PoE…

[twilit mountain]

This remembering process is actually difficult and important to me, I have incredibly poor memory and I personally find death to be far more... "sacred" than usual. I don't find it to be sad. I don't find it to be dark or unfortunate.
I believe that once one's life has finished you should be happy for them. Life to me is about finding meaning in the struggle that we all face, and one's death marks that they've finished theirs.
Even those that have died prematurely or tragically are not exempt from that in my eyes. You, as an individual who is still alive, should carry on the memory of who they were and the meaning they brought to their life and those around them.

[sand wigeon]

I should fake my own death and live in the woods until I mystically transform into a weird woodland creature

[desert jasper]

Wonder what the spooky league will have
If they don't bring the trade npc not sure i'll really feel like playing much

[blissful token]

For those who come after

[jade jackal]

This has some special cool use cases

well, mostly revive-buff pictos

[blissful token]

That crit rate is humongous

[fierce moth]

xiaohongshu is a good platform to get some fun from posts because...

1. I like reading stories
2. Lots of stories about interviews available here
3. I can observe humans from the angle of different pro employees
4. I can learnt many skills for interview

Quite interesting of learning different insane actions from interviews of different companies

[sudden anchor]

A magnetoff

[desert jasper]

They're holding hands
or well, magnets I guess

[tawny sand]

magnets, how do they work?

[twilit mountain]

Voodoo

[tawny sand]

can all native spanish speakers roll their r's? Like is it something you just learn to do growing up, or are there some that can't?

Like both me and my sister took spanish, though we're not native, and she can roll but i can''t at all

not that i remember anything about spanish now, i never used it outside of class

i was just thinking about it

[twilit mountain]

It's technically a genetic thing on whether or not you can do it without practice

[blissful token]

@vagrant topaz

[fierce moth]

@blissful token what your common ways to eat pork are?

Minced? Streak? Slices? Sticks? Cubes?

[sand wigeon]

is this yuri

[blissful token]

Chicken rice stalls are everywhere. So roast pork

Mixed/economy rice have alot variety

[fierce moth]

You mean this way?

[blissful token]

From steamed minced pork to sweet and sour pork to marmite pork rib to braised pork

[blissful token]

They roast in a covered stove, homemade can be done with air fryer

[fierce moth]

Braised pork cubes...Damn I want to eat

0% chance to eat sweet and sour pork/ marmite pork rib/ braised pork in my home but my mum likes crispy pork so much so she will buy some often

This is the most common way I will eat pork in home. Could be another vegetables but capacity of meat reduce 85% from this picture. My parents always like vegetables over than meat

[sand wigeon]

The trick to tender meat is baking soda

[fierce moth]

A tradition here is you must eat some vegetables with green leaves or green stems in every meal.
So... Any vegetables don't have this features mean non-vegetables for my parents

[desert jasper]

I'd eat that

[fierce moth]

Which means I don't eat vegetables if I just eat any vegetables which without this feature (A classic feature to recognize do this Chinese come from GuangDong or another places)

I hate this rule (tradition) personally.

Oh stim stem is different

The reason I want to try another food from different countries is if I eat Chinese food still, I must limited by my parent's traditions. I'm free if I cook western food

[desert jasper]

Just don't try the finnish mämmi
it looks like shit
It's rye based, slightly sweet. usually eaten with vanilla cream

[sand wigeon]

Sounds great to me

[sand wigeon]

What would you call western food?

Because there's a huge disconnect from what westerners, I'm using Americans, actually eat regularly and what they're seen eating based off fast food or TV

[blissful token]

i dont mind eating western spinach/brusset sprout and steak every day . No french fries

I remember sausages/bratwurst in New Zealand have nugmeg and it taste good

[sand wigeon]

Yeah food varies by location a lot

Like, I wouldn't say anything but raw spinach is commonly eaten where I live

Out of those two options, I mean

<@&1161418687471956101>

[blissful token]

one of the dipping sauce i wish i can eat more is guacamole.. avocado is expensive in asian country

[sand wigeon]

That makes sense, yeah

They're not too bad where I live

[blissful token]

also asparagus is yummy

not cheap as well

[sand wigeon]

(For reference, I'd say the most common meals I've eaten over the years with my family are: roasted chicken with polenta, marinarted portabello steaks with grilled asparagus, chili and cornbread, vegetable stew with soda bread and kielbasa with peppers and rice)

[blissful token]

what is this polenta

[twilit mountain]

It's... something

[sand wigeon]

It's... Hmm.

[blissful token]

cornmeal mush? wot?

[sand wigeon]

Kinda? The style we make is cheesy and has a consistency similar to mashed potatoes.

If you've had grits, it's similar.

[blissful token]

oo sounds nice although i find potatoes too starchy

[sand wigeon]

Potatoes are probably the most commonly eaten western food

In my family, at least

Potatoes are one of those foods where if you don't like them, you probably just haven't had the right potatoes

[blissful token]

hmm... i like steamed sweet potatoes but we dont really eat them regularly

[sand wigeon]

Oh I hate sweet potatoes lol

[maiden widget]

Polenta is amazing

[blissful token]

sausages and their names

[maiden widget]

And if you don't like starchy potatoes you can soak them in cold water before doing stuff with them helps with crispness

[sand wigeon]

Yeah

The best way to make home fries is to peel them, cut them into irregular triangles and boil them in water with baking soda in it. Once they're fork tender, you fry them in a skillet with some oil and then season them. (I like rosemary, thyme, cumin, paprika, salt, pepper, onion powder and garlic powder.)

[blissful token]

i read about that but didn't bother much cuz it is never my first choice

[maiden widget]

I shuffle it up a lot but I'd say fav in the right meals is potatoes rice couscous in that order with polenta also at the top

[sand wigeon]

All of those are great options.

[fierce moth]

Such a big meal... Nothing I dislike here.

Just no spicy is fine

[obtuse rune]

This is where the food talk is today?

[fierce moth]

What I need more are roasted chicken and Kirekbasa. Thanks

Meat meat meat meat meat meat!

[fierce moth]

Any food which we talked inspired you?

[obtuse rune]

All of them. I'm easily inspired by food talk. Even if I do or don't eat it..

[fierce moth]

Van like the concept that only green leaves or green stems counts as vegetables? Amazing

[obtuse rune]

I love me some veggies, chicken, turkey, bread..I'm a simple person who just enjoys what I can eat okay 😆

[fierce moth]

Make sense, you're free on food

[fierce moth]

I remember both of China and German have a type of sausage made by blood... I can't accept that

[sand wigeon]

Those are seperate meals lol

Chicken and polenta is one meal. Kielbasa with peppers and rice is another

[fierce moth]

My Mum: Too bad, these people eat their meals without green leaves and green stems?!

Me: AAAAAAAA Give me some now please! Emmmm too yummy!

[sand wigeon]

I would say the majority of my meals have veggies

[fierce moth]

Sigh. Meat is delicious and vegetables are boring.

[sand wigeon]

Hard disagree

[obtuse rune]

You just have to find the right food and seasoning for you. I'm a fiend for Broccoli. I just love it..steamed, roasted... 🤤

[ebon meadow]

Tomatoes ,fresh

I m a freak

I d take any steamed veggies with any roast TBF

[fierce moth]

tomatoes aren't vegetables!

[ebon meadow]

XD I don't care they go great with salad

Or just sliced with salt

[sand wigeon]

I really like broccolis cooked floret down on a pan in an oven after having their florets soaked in soy sauce

The florets get all crispy

[maiden widget]

I should make my fav polenta pumpkin thing again

[fierce moth]

Two ways to eat tomatoes I prefer:

1. Slice fresh cherry tomatoes with cheese cubes and olive oils
2. Tomato mix with spices and minced beef, decroate with cheese powder top on pasta

[sudden anchor]

Roasted vegetables are nice and vegetable Chips could be what you need.

[obtuse rune]

I don't know what is in that image but I know I'd eat most of it

[blissful token]

you guys use soy sauce?

[fierce moth]

The only way to eat broccoli is in my home is steamed. I prefer stir-fry that with garlic. Roasted food (with oven) is classic western way, never happen in my home.

[vagrant topaz]

I love soy sauce

[blissful token]

da frenchmen use soy sauce?

[fierce moth]

What about soy sauce stir-fry noodles? 🤔

[vagrant topaz]

I love asian cuisine

[blissful token]

ahh

[vagrant topaz]

Asian and Indian

[fierce moth]

I'm sure Van will reject that because no vegetables here xd

[maiden widget]

Roasted cherry tomatoes, leek, bacon bits and pumpkin on baked polenta pieces

Can recommend easy and super fast

[obtuse rune]

I seldom use soy sauce but if I do... I can eat some meals without veggies but I need a balance somewhere

oooo quite delish~

[blissful token]

wait leek in that? looks like it doesn't belong lol

[junior oyster]

Lively chat

[fierce moth]

Fresh cherry tomatoes? Nice.
Roasted cherry tomatoes? Bad.

I can't accept any roasted fruit

[junior oyster]

Tomatoes? Bad 😂

[fierce moth]

For example?

[sand wigeon]

...Yeah?

[junior oyster]

I tried soy sauce once. Can say with confidence not my thing

[maiden widget]

Yep it's amazing

[fierce moth]

Oh 99.9% food in China you will not interested if you dislike soy sauce. That's soul for Chinese

[blissful token]

Very asian thing, thought it wouldn't be used much in the west

[sand wigeon]

I don't think it really is anymore

It's a seasoning

Same as garum, or chili oil

[twilit mountain]

Soy sauce is INCREDIBLY common

[sand wigeon]

Yeah

[junior oyster]

East Asia doesn't use soy sauce much from my knowledge

[maiden widget]

I think the book I have it from just yoinked the recipe from here for the polenta thing: https://www.kuechengoetter.de/rezepte/polenta-kuerbis-gratin-8501 sadly at work so can't translate

[junior oyster]

Or is it west lol

[sudden anchor]

I use it with worcestersauce, Ketchup, thymian and forgot what else to make beef jerky. Its a valuable ingredient.

[fierce moth]

Google, tell me what worcestersauce is

[obtuse rune]

its a sauce that name changes everytime you hear it

[sand wigeon]

Worcestershire

Is the actual name

Woos-tah-sher

[maiden widget]

You just don't emit about 80% of the sounds you'd expect to say

[junior oyster]

It's a sauce that I never have but walkers Worcestersauce crisps are bangers

[sand wigeon]

This is how you actually say it

I'd send an audio message, but alas, I cannot

[fierce moth]

It include cinnamon?...Emmmm

[sand wigeon]

Uh... No

[fierce moth]

I need to find a chance to confirm do I like cinnamon

[sand wigeon]

...You've never had cinnamon?

That's surprising

[fierce moth]

cinnamon rolls are very European. 🤷‍♀️

[sand wigeon]

I don't even think cinnamon rolls are common

I don't like them

But between all the drinks cinnamon goes on, the other pastries, even just seasoning food in general

[fierce moth]

But I know gingerbread isn't my tea. Ginger flavour is strongly spicy

[sand wigeon]

My favorite soda is a spicy ginger brew from Maine Root

[fierce moth]

🥴 .......

[fierce moth]

I never drink any brew too.

[sand wigeon]

It's just soda

[fierce moth]

hah...Beef jerky... Favourite snack. But beef is quite expensive.

[sudden anchor]

Last time i had it was a few years ago. Now that im more moneyfluid again i will make it again. Thanks for the reminder! If you make it yourself its not so bad, like 20€ per kg and you end up with like 3-400g after drying.

[obtuse rune]

Long ago, I worked with someone who made their own and it was amazing.

[sudden anchor]

(which i usually eat in a day because its so good)

[obtuse rune]

Look at that seasoning just sitting there, all good like.

I don't eat jerky anymore but man I can apperciate it

[fierce moth]

I will appreciate it so much if no black pepper on beef jerky

[sudden anchor]

Indeed amazing, it would be my last meal.
I have trouble with overeating in single sittings. Havent gotten over it.

Yea, White pepper is better

Fresh white pepper for me smells like cow shit sometimes and i like it haha

[blissful token]

that sounds extra fresh lol

[maiden widget]

I like my mixed peppers if I had to pick one it's long pepper for sure

[fierce moth]

First time to hear long pepper

[desert jasper]

A friend of mine makes his own
Apparently his cats are always drooling when they do it

[obtuse rune]

That poor cat! It can sometimes... be like that 😆

[desert jasper]

Yeah
they do prepare a small portion for the cats too usually

[obtuse rune]

That makes me happy, then

[desert jasper]

Though it still takes a while to make it so

[fierce moth]

what thing inspire you to select cm as your career?

[gilded elm]

I'm not speaking for Vandryll, but you might be surprised to learn how many people don't choose their career directly. For many people, their career chooses them :)

[blissful token]

you dont choose pikachu, pikachu chooses you

[fierce moth]

I don't choose wand, wands choose me

[blissful token]

o.O

[fierce moth]

You know, wands testing in Harry Potter

o.O it let things become more random, mysterious, wonderful and amazing

[gilded elm]

For a lot of people, yeah it's kind of like that. Many people go through their adult lives doing something completely different than what they originally wanted to do as a career, for many different reasons. It could be that they learn they are good at something they didn't know they were good at. Or they learn they like doing something they didn't think they would like.

[desert jasper]

Ah right
That reminds me that I need to send some job applications again

[gilded elm]

Good luck, I believe. 🙏

[desert jasper]

Well it's a good thing you do
Because I don't
been throwing applications to places for over an year and while I've had interviews they resulted to basically "You don't show enough interest so we didn't pick you"
well sorry for being autistic and having trouble

[gilded elm]

I've been there. Specifically when I had a long gap in my employment history while I was working self-employed on Minecraft-related stuff. Obviously it's still work history, but it didn't look good relative to the kinds of jobs I was applying to.

Probably applied to hundreds of places.

I kept a whole spreadsheet tracking my applications.

It's one of those things you just gotta spam enough, refine your CV/resume to be more appealing (putting some "fake it until you make it" energy into them if necessary, not saying outright lying... just embellishment).

I applied to tons of positions I wasn't even qualified for. You got nothing to lose from prospective employers saying "no."

[desert jasper]

At my previous job I was the only one who knew how to do the job I had
Well, there was another but she had gone back to school so she was only working during summer

I'm pretty sure my superiors started hating me because I refused to put that places internal documents to Word

[obtuse rune]

To your question Kirra - many things. Somewhat like Byteflux mentioned, things just happen or work out for you and your style of work. May it be internal or external...I do wish everyone nothing but the best when it comes to exploring the career landscape

[desert jasper]

Probably the worst part was having to explain to people who were supposed to know how the system works how to do their thing in there
Or maybe it was when I had to hold a meeting on teams to explain things about it to our department at another hospital and that took an hour... and in the end it was decided I'll just take care of their work too

🤔

[gilded elm]

That sucks. This is one of worst things about some jobs, there isn't a clear chain of ownership and accountability and some people just end up getting exploited.

I know what that's like for sure, sorry to hear that :(

[desert jasper]

Yeah, they kinda put a lot of work for me when I was just a secretary
and it didn't even show on my pay

I did try applying there again but it took like 3months to get an answer that was the usual "unfortunately..."

[gilded elm]

Nowadays I'm very much direct with how I go about that kind of thing, ensuring people take ownership of the work they're supposed to be doing and making it clear (diplomatically, of course) that it's not my problem. Obviously that's not always an option for a lot of people, in many cases you're expected to "suck it up."

[fierce moth]

how are you explore this industry at the beginning by a job if you don't know cm is the job you want to take or you can't get a chance to become a cm directly?

I believe the market was more friendly while in your era.

[gilded elm]

Secretarial work seems like one of those highly underappreciated jobs, would you say so? In your experience, do you feel there's a significant lack of respect towards the impact of your job?

I always thought of it as someone who works in the shadows, never really garnering praise or appreciation, but who is critical to the smooth functioning of an organization.

[desert jasper]

Oh my coworkers at the pharmacy liked me and appreciated me
it was the superiors that were kinda...
I'm actually an accountant but haven't found that line of work so I just threw application to the hospital to get something
It was a lot of accounting related stuff & checking bills
Barely ever had to deal with actual customers, only internal stuff

[abstract karma]

so no drug dealings ? 🤔

[desert jasper]

Well, most of my coworkers liked me
one did make a complaint that I'm hard to approach and talk to and I know who it was, she never tried really

[desert jasper]

I didn't have access to the drug vault, no
I could dispose of them if they had expired and there was a pharmacist working with me while doing it

[gilded elm]

Accounting is certainly less glamorous. I know I take the accounting folks for granted at my place, even if they're software engineers who work in accounting. I'm not disrespectful to them at all, I just mean their work isn't high-visibility, it's hard for me to form a meaningful appreciation for what they do, despite knowing it's crucial lol

[desert jasper]

I like accounting
I'm decent with numbers and like working with them

[gilded elm]

Hah, spoken like a true accountant :)

I can kinda see the appeal.

[desert jasper]

The annoying part is when the customer doesn't deliver all the necessary documents
or too close to deadline
or when I had to do some calculation of wages for a restaurant here and their work hours were in excel... and it was a mess.

I was almost tempted to make them a proper excel that would just count the hours properly

[blissful token]

i make my account peepo easier

[fierce moth]

:) I'm happy with my new sketch. Never draw a complicated one like this level so this challenging is pretty fun

[vast venture]

@bright basin this is the thing which has my noggin' joggin

the chance for double damage is capped at 80% but you can get multiluck which is rolled +1 times and take the best result so 96%

and it really doubles each time, but you can get a lot of crit damage (which works similarly but the crit multi is additive with each multicrit, not multiplicative) and It's hard to work out whether Leprechaun can be competitive with crit given how much crit damage you can get (like 800%+)

[bright basin]

Luck just means roll twice take best right?

[vast venture]

that's what multiluck does, but Luck is actually a multiplier on lots of stuff like chance to deal double damage, chance to attack an additional time, chance to apply bleed etc

but luck cannot increase the odds of most of those things above 80%, so 96% with multiluck

[bright basin]

Ah, neat

[vast venture]

you can get like 3 multicrit pretty easy at endgame, 4, 5, 6 and even 7 has a lot of opportunity cost though

with multicrit being additive it wasn't ever really worth going that far before

[bright basin]

Ah, multicrit means applying crit multi several times simply?

[vast venture]

yeah

but each multicrit multiplies your crit chance by 0.8 so you go from 100% to 80% to 64%

[bright basin]

Ah, neat

[vast venture]

well, that's before multi-luck

100 to 96 to I think it's 87?

ugh, gets so complex

[bright basin]

Is it like 80/0.96?

Uhm, I'm a bit lost

[vast venture]

oh no, but 80% chance with rolling twice and taking the best result is 96% chance

[bright basin]

Ah, yup

[vast venture]

so you go from 100% chance to 80% chance rolled twice

and 64% chance rolled twice is I think about 87% or something

[bright basin]

Ah, gotcha

64/100=16/25, square it -> 256/625?

Nope

36/100

Ugh, sorry

[vast venture]

yeah 36/100 squared

0.36^2=0.1296

[bright basin]

So that makes 87% yup

[vast venture]

I was trying to work out the distribution of the double damage stuff

and what investment in crit damage is better than double damage at various levels of multiluck

[bright basin]

Ah, that sounds complicated 😄 I could prolly like counting on stuff in that game

[vast venture]

because you can get to like 1200% crit damage if you really push it and you can't get enough multi-crit to beat that I think

[bright basin]

Is crit chance capped at 100%? So you can only get 80% for a second crit before luck?

[vast venture]

nah you can overcap by a lot

[bright basin]

Ah

[vast venture]

the crafting system is very generous, and as I said the game is heavily inspired by POE in that respect so you can think of itemisation like playing POE with nigh-unlimited currency

[bright basin]

Damn, neat

[vast venture]

you can have 6 affix chips (jewels) with perfect rolls in every single chip (jewel) socket in reach of your tree if you take the time to craft them

and like 6 T1 ideal affix weapons

[bright basin]

Damn

[vast venture]

it's a single player game and you do need to do a lot of thinking about your build and farming and stuff to get there

well, actually there is multiplayer.

[bright basin]

I probably appreciate that they use AI art, gives me hope for the graphics despite never hearing of it so I assume it's kind of indie?

[vast venture]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3498390/Astroloot/ it's just made by one guy afaict

he's pretty active in the discord

[bright basin]

Nice

I might look into it, but atm unless I crash and fall asleep on getting home I wanna get further in endgame on char found crows 😅

I'll write a note about Astroloot in my noteboard in some channel I actually regularly write in anyway

[fierce moth]

Maybe I just enjoy aesthetic things and I met a game which match with my flavour so much, plus I never learn the game type so everything is fresh and I'm easy to immerse in learning different basic gameplay.

Make games still is a popular way to learn art and show art skills because a good game need basic visual effects. But various ways on this world to cook the own art, it's not realistic and it's a joke, you can say that, to just enjoy art part without gameplay.

My intuition is right. I'm not belong to games if I want to enjoy, learn and make art only. Lots of players passionate on optimizing their strategies and builds, but I just stop to do that when I think I learnt all basic gameplay.

Appreciate all help about "what should I do in my life" from all of you so much. I never can type these paragraphs without these help. So... I still follow my nickname. My fate about games is I can be a player only, but a player who know how to paint Keep an eye on where will my fate bring me to is the only choice.

(I find I into food photography so much instead lol)

Maybe my laptop have made the choice for me before, by don't let me run unity and ue

[neon sigil]

Sord.

[fierce moth]

what red outline mean?

[neon sigil]

red.

[mental talon]

Red

[fierce moth]

lol

why the word surrounded by red outlines?

[neon sigil]

By the power of Red I compel you

[neon sigil]

its just a spooky red outline.
Makes it look magical. :v

[gilded elm]

Makes sense. If you love making art, keep doing that. Just keep an open mind, opportunities are everywhere. Careers don't have to be permanent. Maybe you don't find an art career right now, it's okay to do something else and gain work experience while you pursue an art career in the background.

[blissful token]

It be harder and harder to get job when the gap between uneployment gets wider. Unless you lie and still can get things done at the new job . I first applied for a retail job when I work here. Totally not what i would pursue

[sand wigeon]

looks great!

[twilit mountain]

Seriously. Improving real fast, kinda crazy

[fierce moth]

Have been be a sales for 2 days. Promote NZ's kiwi, you know the brand. I would say that job isn't for me at all

[blissful token]

Kiwi the bird yea, when it comes to NZ

Not the fruit

[fierce moth]

Oh I mean the fruit

[desert jasper]

Love me some kiwis

[fierce moth]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DPeshTAgdNm/?igsh=MTJjY2EwaHJtOHYzcg==

When you use Chatgpt for everything.

I like their reaction for reaching the limit of times

[sand wigeon]

@neon sigil What program do you use for pixel art? I'm curious if you're going down the same path as I did when learning pixel art

[fierce moth]

NZ's kiwi as I mean.

I guess @obtuse rune would like to eat some I don't have so much interest personally

That's the first thing from NZ I touched. NZ's milk powder is famous for the quality, I don't have a chance to get a can yet

[junior oyster]

They don't all come from nz though

And kiwis are usually really delicious

The sour the better imo

Not a big fan of the sweet kind

[desert jasper]

Also they help with sleeping if you eat them before going to bed

[fierce moth]

It's the inside, it's golden one. I like green one from this brand more though... Not a fan of sweet fruit too, sour one taste better

[junior oyster]

Although I find that if you eat more than like 2 your mouth starts feeling like a cactus lol

[junior oyster]

Yas kirra we agree on something lol

[fierce moth]

But golden one be sold better a lot than green one, so I can't find green kiwi anyone 😔

[fierce moth]

🤔 New knowledge +1

[fierce moth]

No issue I found while I drew 1st panini, but after I struggled 2nd panini for a while, 1st panini looks too big and too rough then I go back to 1st after I polish 2nd one.

Expected loop... Issues which wait to solve always here after skills are improved.

it's how my perfectionism come from lol

I must eat a panini everyday after I'm rich :)

[fierce moth]

@vagrant topaz Maybe you will like salt-baked chicken as snacks if you like Asian food

Maybe this thing is rare in Europe and North America?

盐焗鸡翅= salt-baked chicken rings
盐焗鸡排= salt-baked chicken steak

[obtuse rune]

I would but not not alot at once 😉

[vagrant topaz]

Oo

Looks nice

[fierce moth]

yes, you're the most healthy person I seen

[strange delta]

I’m starting to try to make my own horror indie game. Gonna be low quality but I have to start somewhere 😭

[obtuse rune]

I try to be healthy!

Also, I love horror and I wish you nothing but the best!

You have to start somewhere but you got this!

[fierce moth]

I wonder how are you avoid yourself to eat sugar from chocolate/donuts/fries/candies/cookies, like... something addicting and unhealthy

[obtuse rune]

I don't avoid it I just mange it

[fierce moth]

which gameplay do you want to cook?

[obtuse rune]

I work out and eat health so I can enjoy the sweet stuff as a treat on weekends!

[fierce moth]

do you have a habit that take a nap at noon?

[obtuse rune]

I do not. I seldom take naps

[strange delta]

Thank you 😭

[sand wigeon]

TBF some people don’t need to manage this

Like some people just don’t gain weight

It’s a whole host of other problems

@twilit mountain if you want to rant

[strange delta]

Honestly im still planning it out! Not sure yet. if you have advice let me know

[sand wigeon]

No matter how much chili I feed her it disappears. I’m convinced Deias has a black hole in her stomach. Or worms maybe. Probably worms

[sand wigeon]

What genre?

[strange delta]

Horror

I’m thinking of doing the same route others do, starting with like a gas station game

[sand wigeon]

No but

What genre

Like. 3D action? Survival horror? Isometric?

[fierce moth]

My Jesus. Chili!? No no noo nooooo nooo

[sand wigeon]

Pixelated? Drawn? Rendered?

[strange delta]

Pixelated for sure. I want it to be kinda a survival game

[sand wigeon]

What’s wrong with chili?

[sand wigeon]

You should create a game design doc

That’s my recommendation

[strange delta]

How?

Like I said im new im trying to learn everything

[sand wigeon]

You can look up templates

Oh boy

What game engine do you want to use?

[strange delta]

I was just looking that up. What’s the best you think?

[sand wigeon]

@twilit mountain talk about your experience learning godot

[fierce moth]

No chili in Guangzhou because this city is too wet and hot, chili dishes will let people be sick.

[sand wigeon]

How does that work

That sounds like superstition?

I eat chili in the hot and humid summer months just fine

And chili is commonly eaten in Mexico. Where it is often very hot and very humid

Chili is great for you, full of veggies, nutrients, fats and calories

[blissful token]

Malaysian die by the chili

[fierce moth]

I have no idea why people enjoy the toughness from chili

[sand wigeon]

Toughness???

Uh

Are we talking about the same thing

[fierce moth]

emmm let me find a word...

[sand wigeon]

Chili ^

[blissful token]

^give me RAWRR

[sand wigeon]

It’s the opposite of tough, chili is super tender

[fierce moth]

The pain from chili

[blissful token]

ok maybe not the cilantro

[sand wigeon]

Yeah that was just the first image I found

[sand wigeon]

Pain?

[fierce moth]

yes! No chili, no cilantro.

[twilit mountain]

I'm still very early in, but so far it's been going pretty okay outside of autism and ADHD issues.
I personally have found it a lot easier to get into than others, especially Unity, due to the built in language (GDScript) being far, FAR easier to parse on my end than others such as C# or Java (Java sucks, you should hate Java), and the actual in-engine view not being an overstimulating mess the moment you boot it. That combined with it being effectively open-source and having a ton of community support for pretty much every issue you'll ever run into makes it a great place to start if you're new imo. Will it be able to make some like, "AAA level" game? Probably not without a lot of effort.
Will it allow you to make a very wide range of games for various styles even if you aren't a professionally educated developer? Yes, and most likely with a lot more ease and significantly less headaches and mental roadblocks.

[blissful token]

i think kirra meant the pain and burn sensation from capsaicin

[fierce moth]

yes

[sand wigeon]

Oh. I guess that’s not really pain to me. You can just make chili without spice, though?

[blissful token]

cilantro/coriander taste weird

[sand wigeon]

Do you have the soap gene

[blissful token]

wots that

[sand wigeon]

There’s a genetic variation makes cilantro taste like soap to some people

[twilit mountain]

Most folks who dislike cilantro have a gene that makes it taste similar to soap

(Hello)

[sand wigeon]

Instead of like cilantro

Yeah

[blissful token]

owh? first time i heard of it but no, it does not taste like soap to me

[sand wigeon]

It’s not a super accurate descriptor

Just the closest thing

[maiden widget]

Java is fine smh

[sand wigeon]

Java is not fine.

[fierce moth]

I like parsley but no cilantro

[blissful token]

i guess i just dont like the taste of it... same for wasabi

[sand wigeon]

I love horseradish

[blissful token]

also i dont know the difference between mustard and wasabi other than the region they come from

taste similar to me

[sand wigeon]

They’re different plants

But they’re both a horseradish

And horseradish has a unique spice that is similar to a flashing, burning sensation in your nose