📚┃off-topic

[mental talon]

Rude

[twilit mountain]

Hey it's okay, I'm an honorary old hag. Bad teeth, bad back, periodic mobility issues, a cane, shitty immune system.

[fierce moth]

Ave is left, we can love ourselves by ourselves only now

🫠 I miss her loot blessings

Well, new blood in CM team means old vibes never come back

[desert jasper]

It's true
Closer to 40 than 30 these days

[fierce moth]

I want myself to reach 30 in a lower pace because I just start to build everything at the beginning

Quite jealous for everyone who work in game companies and I'm confused why the whole world become current shape

[twilit mountain]

Capitalism 👍

[fierce moth]

Experience experience experience experience experience still experience

[desert jasper]

You'll reach 30 at the same rate as everyone else
A lot of people in their 20s are still figuring what to do with their lives

[twilit mountain]

Hiya, I'm 23 and don't have even a high school degree, low work experience, and still haven't been able to acquire the physically life-changing medication I need to be happier as a human being o/

[desert jasper]

Yeah
I didn't finish my engineering studies
I wonder how different those would've been if I had already had the ADHD diagnosis by then 🤔

[fierce moth]

I never think I should rebuild myself before too... Until I figured out what I want to do with my life

Deepseek is quite helpful for giving me suggestions on how should I change my mind to change my fate

[sudden anchor]

Cant you make it yourself from natural ingredients?

[twilit mountain]

Not in a safe manner that I am comfortable with, it's also really expensive

It's pretty much exclusively available to DIY as an injection, which I am very much not capable of doing.

[mental talon]

@twilit mountain @junior oyster The timing on this is actually hilarious https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBbmPLqpxfI

[twilit mountain]

Alternative title: Two Middle Aged Bald Men Chat About What They Loved And Hated From Diablo /s

[mental talon]

I mean it's obvious the key to making a good ARPG is having a bald studio lead...coincidence?

[twilit mountain]

Truuuue

If we shave Jonathan's head then PoE2 will simply get better overnight

[mental talon]

The only way to save LE is to make Judd go bald (this is a joke do not ban me)

Do not Path of Math me.

[gilded elm]

Finally, I'm freeeee. Spent the past couple weeks working my ass off

[mental talon]

Oh hey

You're just in time.

[twilit mountain]

Oh deary. My W key seems to be going out. Might need to get a USB hub soon.

[twilit mountain]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1423790447087583265.webp?size=128&animated=true

Well that didn't work as intended hold on

[mental talon]

Dont worry I got it

[gilded elm]

I saw the announcement, haven't read it yet. I mean I read some of it.

Nothing I've read is surprising at all, though. Seemed pretty obvious EHG was bleeding money.

I'd buy an expansion, I never put a lot of weight into the "all future content is free" promise. I expected that would be unsustainable, but I do think they meant to keep the promise if they could.

My only concern is how the rest of the game's audience takes the news. Hopefully positively.

[mental talon]

Well about that...

[twilit mountain]

Generally speaking if you renege on your statements it doesn't go super well

[gilded elm]

Yeah, and I totally don't blame people being upset about that. For sure.

I just do think EHG acted in good faith even if the outcome might not seem it.

[mental talon]

I think most crucially when the state that it's in getting ready to ask people for more is just like WEW LAD

[gilded elm]

These weren't circumstances created out of malice, but necessity. It's just unfortunate that these circumstances exist at all.

[twilit mountain]

For me it's multi-layered issue. IF the game was in a finished state AND was consistently getting quality updates AND was being handled well, AND wasn't making locking all their good looking stuff to paid only, then sure, I think I'd be more understanding of paying for an expansion

[mental talon]

Unfinished campaign
Bugs existing from before multiplayer patch
Endgame mechanics like arena and dungeons untouched for years
Classes missing skills
Absolute brain melting balance

"Hey let me get 30 bucks" lol

[gilded elm]

Yep, it's hardly surprising that a whole lot of people would be upset at the current state of things.

One could argue if the game was better managed from the beginning and had a more sustainable business model, this situation wouldn't exist. So it's no wonder people are upset.

[mental talon]

Can I get a passable product first before you get ready to ask me for money. Not even great or even good. Like passable lmao

[twilit mountain]

What if instead we just uh... make another big guy that drops mediocre loot that comes from a map icon you click on :D

[mental talon]

I can't post the emote but picture it being the Pepe that walks out the door with a frowning face

[twilit mountain]

Mike has supposedly been trying to push more "horde" mechanics. I feel like he's missing a bit of context, that being "we want shit to do that isn't monoliths pleeeeease"

[mental talon]

PogCrazy Corruption number goes up and I killed the bigger pack and they vomited out ten trillion drops WAOW WAOW WAOW

Yippee

[gilded elm]

I like EHG as a company that makes an ARPG and I have less reasons to be upset since I tend to see myself as having extracted a lot of value out of LE already. I do really hope they get their priorities straight, especially the endgame (or lack of, in this case).

[mental talon]

And they're gonna drop Ancient Timelost Primordial Uniques yippee

[twilit mountain]

I don't get upset over not getting value out of things, I get upset over things I love being squandered or mishandled

(Ask me how I feel about KH4 still being nowhere near release)

[gilded elm]

For sure, I think a lot of us are emotionally invested in the games we play.

When we see shit decisions, it feels like a personal insult.

[mental talon]

I'm not even emotionally invested anymore I'm just here to watch it all unfold and shit post and hang out with the Off Topic gang tbh

My give an eff left about a year and a half ago

[gilded elm]

Already gone through all the stages of grief

[mental talon]

Nope I'm just here to do hoodrat shit with my friends 🙂

[twilit mountain]

?

[gilded elm]

If you're a console dad gamer casual, LE probably has a lot to offer you and maybe the PS5 launch will actually bring in good revenue.

[twilit mountain]

(It's a wet rat. No I'm not sure why I have that image on hand)

[mental talon]

Hell no lmao. PS5 owners have far higher Standards

[mental talon]

It's cursed and I hate it

[twilit mountain]

Valid tbh

[gilded elm]

Just imagine how far into a D4 season most console players make it to. Not a very high paragon level, that's for sure. Most are unlikely to even see any endgame, despite the fact that you can get there on day one.

[mental talon]

Yeah but like D4 is at its core a fun brain off experience that looks good

[twilit mountain]

On one hand, hilarious to look at. On the other hand, oh gods wtf why is that what it looks like

[mental talon]

Last Epoch is lacking in the looks good department by a country mile.

[gilded elm]

You think so? I wonder if my standards are just too low lol

[mental talon]

I'll put it like this imagine going from Ghost of Yotei or Death Stranding 2 to Last Epoch

Really got me revving my engines

[warped wren]

why on earth would I play LE on PS5 over Ghost of Tsushima / Horizon / Spiderman etc. etc.

[twilit mountain]

DS2 has canonical Vtubers. LE doesn't stand a chance.

[gilded elm]

I think a better question is "why play LE on PS5 over D4 or PoE2" and I honestly don't know the answer there. There does seem to be an audience there, but my question is whether LE would appeal to a significant portion of that audience.

[desert jasper]

But orobyss is a maid vtuber

[mental talon]

The thing with D4 is it's a legacy/brand name product on top of just being a casual smash some beers experience

PoE2 at least has game feel, atmosphere etc. LE has uhhhh sometimes the skill might work. Maybe not

[gilded elm]

Yeah, hard to say whether they'll be able to attract enough of the console ARPG audience to make this launch worth it.

[mental talon]

More power to them and godspeed. But I ain't holding my breath

[gilded elm]

Also the development effort being expended to make the PS5 launch happen has surely got to be taking away from LE content updates, right? I mean, I don't see why it wouldn't.

I hope this tradeoff is worth it for them.

[sand wigeon]

PEKORA PEKORA WAAAH

(I like VTubers)

[sand wigeon]

SOGGED RAT.

[twilit mountain]

Yo what tf is HP doing that they soldered the keyboard into the damn panel on my laptop??

Been sitting here slowly pulling my poor gal apart for the better part of two hours and cleaning as I went and I get to the biggest thing to be addressed and I can't access it

[sand wigeon]

Need to buy from that modular laptop company

https://frame.work/

If I need a laptop for work I’m buying from Framework

[twilit mountain]

There was also literal scotch tape in some spots. Like. Jesus. Y'all really cut as much cost as possible huh?

[blissful token]

You got a paper mache cpu?

[desert jasper]

Yeah, HP machines are pretty intentionally made so it's hard to give them maintenance

[sand wigeon]

I sent my laptop in to get fixed because it was under warranty and it came back more broken but I needed it for work so I just gave up

It still has all those issues too

[fierce moth]

130 people are left le server after I get up

.

A week is passed, no news from wolcen studio, I guess my portfolio 99% is rejected, 1% they still not view yet

I'm hitting different walls

I want to customize my laptop too... It's just no way in China even I can afford the fee

I'll say it's the advantage of USD environment

Own a laptop is ahead a lot of people already because Chinese are based on mobile lol

Chinese mobile app market is developing very fast

[twilit mountain]

I'm not customizing mind you, just cleaning

(I'm still working on it, I had a panic moment because apparently my battery was just barely not plugged in despite me checking it three extra times and I started freaking out when it wouldn't turn on)

(Now I'm just cleaning my mid-ass mechanical keyboard one key at a time

[blissful token]

Hmm i dont like mechanical keyboard, they sound too... choppy

[twilit mountain]

You can get quiet or borderline silent ones

[blissful token]

Here i am with typical office keyboard and asian kitchen red plastic chair

[fierce moth]

do you think connecting members from game companies on Linkedin will be helpful one day? (Of course, I must have enough personal value to provide otherwise they will not agree)

I still no idea how connection drive in a industry because I never taste the flavour

[twilit mountain]

I hope it's grape flavored

[blissful token]

That tasted purple

[twilit mountain]

Yeah, my favorite

[fierce moth]

Chris is interacted with another master in game industry

[twilit mountain]

i just got confused pulling out a key and going "wait I already put 6 on, wtf?"
...it's the 9 key

[blissful token]

I get confused on the left and right alt

[twilit mountain]

Thankfully those are identical on this keyboard, same for both control keys

Btw wtf is this thing called? Not the backslash part, the top bit

[blissful token]

Colon?

[twilit mountain]

No, that's the key with semi-colon

It's like a colon but with straight lines instead of dots

[blissful token]

Ah right. I have no idea then

[fierce moth]

I feel I must switch different personality when I try to connect with professional people and player groups because things they care are different so I doubt all of my current actions on building my connection is silly and ridiculous under eyes of these experienced people because I just don't know how to play this game

[twilit mountain]

@sand wigeon you, what's this thing?

[blissful token]

Peepo wear different mask all the time

[fierce moth]

anyways, I still no idea which work should I submit to join fan art competition because I don't cook one yet

[twilit mountain]

Ah she's in Tarkov. Nvm.

[fierce moth]

try to reach them is quite hard and tiring because of that

[blissful token]

Wait is that actually pipeline/vertical bar? But your middle got wore off

[twilit mountain]

That sounds like an accurate name for it

It never had a middle though

It looks like it does on my phone

[blissful token]

[twilit mountain]

I'll check my laptop keyboard as well when I get back up, see if it has a middle or not

[fierce moth]

Solve their problems... I even don't solve personal problems yet

[blissful token]

More like to differentiate personal and professional working

[twilit mountain]

Yup, it's called code-switching

People even do it around friends vs family, or sometimes just friends vs different friends

[tawny sand]

yeah i think it's just the vertical line key (it's always above backslash)

but idk why it's seperated like that

[twilit mountain]

Does it have a writing purpose?

[tawny sand]

it's used for coding i think?

https://expertbeacon.com/how-to-type-the-vertical-line-bar-character-on-a-keyboard/

that's what i found after google

[fierce moth]

No idea how to over candidates who experienced in game industries and own more personal projects because it's endless if a competition here

[twilit mountain]

Oh I see. I'm still very very fresh on learning anything with coding lol

[fierce moth]

Losers always more than winners but only winners will be noticed

[tawny sand]

ah yeah i gotcha, the article just says :

Pipe – Used in Linux to "pipe" the output of one command into another
OR operator – Acts as a Boolean logical operator meaning "one or the other is true" in programming languages like JavaScript
Parallel lines indicator – Signifies parallel lines in mathematics (double pipe ||)

idk what other uses it would have, i don't code

[blissful token]

Can mario go down if you double pipe it?

[twilit mountain]

Resisting urge to go on a 99% vs 1% spiel rn

[fierce moth]

I should ask deepseek again about my confusion

[blissful token]

Hmm thats abit dangerous

[tawny sand]

i use Vi keys in roguelikes so i tend to use backslash and | some in rebinds, but yeah lol

[twilit mountain]

I been tempting fate with the smitings lately

[twilit mountain]

Vi keys?

[sand wigeon]

Your keycap is screwed up and part of the symbol has worn away

It’s a vertical separator

[tawny sand]

https://www.roguebasin.com/index.php/Preferred_Key_Controls

instead of numpad for movement you use Y U H J K L B N

[sand wigeon]

“instead of numpad for movement” You do know modern players use WASD right

[blissful token]

What is this sorcery

[sand wigeon]

Like I still use jklnm

but

[twilit mountain]

Ah I see. New term to me

[tawny sand]

i just got used to it when i started using a 60% keyboard

[blissful token]

This is still okay

[tawny sand]

yeah a few roguelikes already comes with the option to use it, I play Caves of Qud a lot and it's already bound. I think DCSS you just have to remove a commented out section in the config files? I don't remember, I haven't needed to touch the dcss files in a while

nethack too i think, but i haven't played nethack in a while

[twilit mountain]

For some reason every time I see the name Nethack my first thought is the wrong game; my brain shows me the Uplink UI first and then corrects itself.

[tawny sand]

uplink was a cool game

[twilit mountain]

Played it a lot when I was young for some reason

[tawny sand]

there's a ui mod for that game, i forgot what it's called

i used it last time i played, was a good mod

[twilit mountain]

I have finally finished cleaning keys

[sand wigeon]

Good job

[tawny sand]

i bought a keychron keyboard last year, idk if you ever need a new one, but it's nice i like it

i got the aluminum base one

[sand wigeon]

I use a $20 walmart keyboard I got almost 10 years ago

thank you logitech very cool

[tawny sand]

i think i'm gonna play some dwarf fortress tonight, i haven't played it in a while

[twilit mountain]

I mean, I currently have blues which are way too loud tbh, so yeah at some point I'd like to grab a new one that isn't lol

Gah, I need to get used to this keyboard now

Been on the native laptop one for so long

[tawny sand]

i think keychrons come with gateron browns? Mine did

but i think you can choose

[twilit mountain]

Keychrons come with whatever you pick afaik

[tawny sand]

ah ok

i got mine off amazon instead of the direct site so maybe i didn't have as many choices 🤔

[twilit mountain]

Yeah they make customs but plenty of pre-made selection too

[tawny sand]

huh, can you not rebind DF adventure mode keys in the steam version? Idk if anyone would know

i can't figure out how to do it through the menu lol

[twilit mountain]

I'm not nearly crazy enough to play that game

[tawny sand]

lmao

i haven't checked out the steam adventure mode yet so was gonna give it a try

[twilit mountain]

I gained 5 frames while mapping post-cleaning!

Hot

[tawny sand]

so are you enjoying poe2 now? I remember you originally weren't going to play the league

curious what you think of it

[twilit mountain]

I still have very big complaints (JSUT LET ME HAVE MY DAMNED PORTALS JONNY), but it's definitely far better than 0.1 and 0.2
0.1 was a travesty of a game.

[tawny sand]

yeah 0.1 was pretty bad lol

[twilit mountain]

I'm hoping they continue this trajectory of... letting us have fun lmao

[tawny sand]

lol

[twilit mountain]

Also I got baited into the patch by @warped wren posting a thorns build in my server and I stayed because I found out Gas Grenade was really funny

....cool floor loot?

[maiden widget]

not legal please delete

but it is indeed cool

[twilit mountain]

Aight that's another 12 maps prepped, off we go

[fierce moth]

You can't build a future on a foundation of self-hatred. ---Deepseek

On the other hand, I self-hatred for 4 years but I still want to keep myself as an artist. Amazing power from the relief.

[fierce moth]

Wu Kong is as same as le, don't join in autumn sale... Alright

[ebon meadow]

Fun ? Ewww we not aloud .only pain and suffering

Bashing head on stupid things is the way ( thank you who ever made souleater a thing)

Had funny moment in bpl in Poe 1 bashed a single blue mod from ritual for 3 min because it had one single life regen mod ,same map boss went down in less than 10 seconds lmao

[fierce moth]

🤔 From an entry for a previous fan art competition of poe, which all of them is ai-generated

[jolly wadi]

Those are some pretty gnarly hands

[ebon meadow]

The one on the left is ai gen

Bottom right maybe ... Just for the golems

Left is the duelist with the one hand axe it's reversed only ai can make this mistakes usually happens to fingers and toes

@fierce moth check the hideout completions ,people make crazy stuff there

Apparently someone from my town competes for it and she has a very nice touch

[blissful token]

man i keep getting jebaited when yellow cue (jump) but maelle says "parry it"

[blissful token]

is there any difference to who you pick to fight merchant?

[ebon meadow]

Nahh it's more focused on ur char

Counts other mercs as minions

Aka just utility

[gilded elm]

Yes, having connections on LinkedIn is more helpful than not, absolutely.

This Chris Wilson interview with Arthur Bruno is going to be fun:
https://youtu.be/uBbmPLqpxfI

[fierce moth]

🤔 The 1st connection I made on Linkedin is interesting. That's Judd. I don't expect he know me xd

You know, none of CEO-level people don't busy

Back to the interview you shared, the first thing I think is "Which type of people have a chance to connect with CEO-level people like that"

Chris's connection just insane on the level of out of my box

[blissful token]

didn't know E33 have some minor platforming

[gilded elm]

People who work in the same industry will often have many shared connections on LinkedIn. This looks good to recruiters when they see you have certain connections.

[junior oyster]

Pretty sure it's dependent on how big the 'ceo' is

I've talked to Casey from StS here and there just saying hello and whatnot

[gilded elm]

The actually annoying platforming in E33 is entirely optional, in case that's not your thing.

[junior oyster]

Obviously I don't just ping him in chat but if he makes a comment I reply back xD

[junior oyster]

Now if only I could fully avoid doing puzzles in crosscode lol

[blissful token]

owh... i am still very early in the game, am jumping around pillar to get something lol

[fierce moth]

Yes I think it's the sense of conntection on Linkedin. Endorse from people they know

[fierce moth]

sts?

[junior oyster]

Slay the Spire

He is one of the co-founders of Megacrit

[blissful token]

whew how many pictos are there

you find alot of new ones exploring

[gilded elm]

If I remember, around 193 or so

[blissful token]

do you even have enough luminas to equip many

this feels like ff9, u learn many abilities but u only pick a few

[gilded elm]

Luminas are basically infinite if you farm them.

In your first playthrough, you certainly won't have that much Lumina.

[junior oyster]

Farming 💤

[gilded elm]

But they carry over to subsequent playthroughs in NG+

[fierce moth]

🤔 Interesting design for the official web (sts)

[junior oyster]

They have an official site? 😂

[blissful token]

hmm i dont play NG+ usually but this game is nice so far. lets see

[maiden widget]

linkedin mostly felt like a circlejerk here, i didnt feel like it provides actual value here in Germany

[junior oyster]

Fan art

Not official art fyi

[gilded elm]

There are ways/places to farm Lumina even if it's just your first playthrough, if you were willing to. It's not really unreasonable, either. You can easily farm a lot.

[fierce moth]

I mean the way of this game studio to spotlight fan art is special

[blissful token]

hmm thats a typical jrpg element there

[gilded elm]

Yep, 100%

[junior oyster]

Yea many games do that

[blissful token]

also i like the mini worldmap

[junior oyster]

Including Terraria I think

[fierce moth]

https://forgottenarbiter.github.io/Is-Every-Seed-Winnable/ 🤔 Megaacrit even shared many knowledges about rng

[junior oyster]

Nope it's not from megacrit but they posted it on their site

Forgotten Arbiter (not to be confused with arbiter of ash) is a mod on their discord server and a modder

[gilded elm]

I think it's using a photography technique called Tilt-Shift: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilt–shift_photography

Oops, meant to reply to the world map comment.

[fierce moth]

List favourite games for every members on official web, very cool 🤔 (terraria)

[blissful token]

oh never thought about that.. it is just that the mini worldmap is beautiful and not too convoluted

[junior oyster]

Terraria is also like the 12th most sold game or something iirc

[gilded elm]

Yeah, beautifully done indeed

[junior oyster]

8th*

[blissful token]

hmm all the new weapons found so far looks pretty dope

[junior oyster]

I'm with Cenx for sure lol

Link to the past is the best Zelda game and I'll die on that hill xD

[sage flame]

systems programmer guy being a factorio fan is nothing short of what I expected

[maiden widget]

i liked all 2d zeldas especially the handheld ones

a link between worlds was amazing

[junior oyster]

Is that the one where he is in a dream world?

They made a remaster of it

Or at least it feels like he is in a dream world

I thought it was ok but gave up on the super long quest

[maiden widget]

its the successor of a link to the past basically

the one you think of was the gameboy one - link's awakening

[junior oyster]

Oh right

Maybe I'll get round to playing link between worlds someday then

LbW was released in 2013 wat da heck

[maiden widget]

yeah 3ds game 😄

[junior oyster]

I thought it was on the gba or something

Probably won't be able to play it then

[maiden widget]

just emulate it, should be fine on any pc nowadays

[junior oyster]

Don't you need the touchscreen for certain things?

Or was that mainly a gimmick

[blissful token]

is there a way to check enemy's elemental weaknesses

[junior oyster]

I remember a pokemon game where you had to do a spin kinda thing on the touchscreen

From the ad I saw

[fierce moth]

Do right choices is quite important 🤔

[maiden widget]

nope they gave up on that with 3ds thankfully

the ds ones were touchscreen but people made mods for them too

[junior oyster]

Oh good I never owned a ds and tried emulating megaman zx (or something) and just couldn't get it to work back in the day

My steamdeck should be pretty much perfect for emulating games tbh

[maiden widget]

should work fine on it

[gilded elm]

https://www.emudeck.com/

[maiden widget]

minish cap is also fun but pretty easy

i still enjoy my little arm linux device more - you load a game, shut it down, it autosaves and loads on booting it up again

[junior oyster]

I have this and also still have yuzu xD

[maiden widget]

should probably get the bigger stuff going on my deck as well, could replay some gamecube stuff

[junior oyster]

Wait you can still download yuzu?

[maiden widget]

hard to actually remove things from the internet

[junior oyster]

Oh site still exists

But yea nvm can't download it

So if I ever lose yuzu that's it unless I pirate it

[gilded elm]

I don't know the specifics of Yuzu, but it's just an emulator right?

[junior oyster]

Yep

[gilded elm]

If the devs decided to take it down, that's whatever, but shouldn't be illegal to download it even if there's no official way to download it.

[junior oyster]

At least ryujinx still exists

[junior oyster]

I mean unless I post on a youtube vid or something that I have yuzu nintendon't can eat shit

[gilded elm]

Last I checked, emulation isn't illegal. Downloading ROMs for games you don't own is illegal.

[maiden widget]

ive updated my emudeck yday and it installed ryujinx

lets be honest the smallest percent actually downloads games they own

[junior oyster]

Yep

[maiden widget]

the issue with the switch emus was mostly devs being too cocky

[gilded elm]

That may be true, but it's the IP holder's burden to prove it.

As far as I know, Fane is using an emulator legally and he hasn't said otherwise :)

[maiden widget]

didnt claim otherwise

even if he did i wouldnt care :p

[junior oyster]

Yea I was specifically talking about the emu

Also nintendon't are pieces of shit that would do anything to take you down

[gilded elm]

I'm sure Nintendo would ban emulators if they could, though haha

[maiden widget]

not just them

[junior oyster]

So if they have said no to yuzu it's 'illegal' to have yuzu according to them

[maiden widget]

people focus a lot on nintendo when sony isnt a bit better

[gilded elm]

Yeah Nintendo just makes the biggest headlines in their aggression towards emulation.

PlayStation 1/2 emulation scene has been just as much of a mess, for sure.

[junior oyster]

I think nindendon't have had it worse because of Palworld

[maiden widget]

well the yuzu made several dumb missteps to get actually taken down

[junior oyster]

Yea the new zelda game lool

[maiden widget]

as in actually linking to illegally obtained keys to decrypt games

[gilded elm]

Did Yuzu actually go to court? Or did they simply capitulate to a Cease & Desist?

[maiden widget]

and locking versions optimized for games that werent released beyond pay tiers

[gilded elm]

I assume Yuzu never actually went to court.

[maiden widget]

ryujinx was the group giving up

yuzu probably didnt go to court either

[junior oyster]

Pretty sure they folded

[gilded elm]

Yeah, sounds like maybe it was just that they didn't want to deal with a legal battle. So technically no fault was admitted in a legal sense.

[junior oyster]

Can't afford court fees

[maiden widget]

well they did some weird shit on their discord apparently

iirc distributing games pre release to top tier donors

would have to check that again though

[gilded elm]

Oh yeah that would be bad lmao

[junior oyster]

It was something like that yea

[gilded elm]

Distributing intellectual property is bad news.

[maiden widget]

ryujinx folded because they didnt want to deal with it

[junior oyster]

And then boasting about it out in the open

[maiden widget]

i think actually just doing the emulator is fine - thats why most just work fine

[gilded elm]

Yeah and I don't think finding a way to download Yuzu would actually be illegal because the legality of Yuzu was never actually tested in court.

[maiden widget]

wouldnt that make it legal until its actually been made illegal

not that anyone cares about what a single enduser does

[junior oyster]

Until they boast

[gilded elm]

Yeah there's a difference between "we took down Yuzu because we didn't want to fight Nintendo in court" vs "Nintendo forced us to take down Yuzu by court order"

The first one means Yuzu should still be legal to distribute, the second one would mean Yuzu is illegal to distribute.

[maiden widget]

man switch on steam deck is a lot rougher than expected, either people can live with choppy performance or they just lie to others

[junior oyster]

Ok so super mario world or w/e it's called has super slow load times on the sd

However it to me feels like it runs overall smoother

[gilded elm]

I still have my Super Mario World SNES cartridge, that's one I can legally emulate :)

[junior oyster]

BotW when I tried it ran super smooth

I did play both games on yuzu though

[maiden widget]

tried links awakening just now cos theres a blur removal mod and it ran at like 45fps tops

pretty choppy

[junior oyster]

Also links awakening and had some issues like big white line but was able to fix it with some mods

But it overall ran fine

[maiden widget]

hm gotta try again then

maybe it just needs to run a bit

[junior oyster]

Also maybe I'm just a bad gamer but I barely notice fps drops lol

It's the same way I feel about cgi in movies

[maiden widget]

i think its just very personal

i cant even use VA panels the smudging makes me feel ill

[gilded elm]

I generally see 30 FPS on a handheld as acceptable.

[junior oyster]

Like a lot of people hated BvS for many reasons but one of the biggest was cgi

Aside from the obvious mustache I never thought the cgi was bad in BvS lol

[maiden widget]

consistent fps work but drops and catching up is extremely annoying to me

[gilded elm]

True, inconsistent FPS would be super annoying

[junior oyster]

My issue with sd is mainly loading times and battery life for pretty much anything

[maiden widget]

youtube just recommended a video on how to run godot games on my cheapo handhelds, maybe its time to make a game again

[junior oyster]

Even steam verified games

[maiden widget]

battery life for my indies was pretty good

i dont really do demanding games on the handheld

[junior oyster]

Yea indies is fine

[gilded elm]

Yeah I don't think Steam Deck Verification considers battery usage at all.

[junior oyster]

PoE2 juiced maps not worth it as I found out loool

[maiden widget]

loading also kinda works fine for me even from sd card but again mostly playing older/smaller games

yeah i tried poe1 once and wouldnt play it on the deck

too choppy

[gilded elm]

PoE1 is fine on Steam Deck if you're just doing campaign

[junior oyster]

PoE2 is better for sd because less buttons but yea the lag is crazy

Well same with poe2 for campaign too

[twilit mountain]

Less buttons? What kinda PoE1 builds are you runnin

[junior oyster]

In fact I think I prefer sd over my pc for campaign

[maiden widget]

i think i only tried endless delve on it

[junior oyster]

Flasks

[maiden widget]

pathfinder it up

[twilit mountain]

Auto flask it

[junior oyster]

And yes I'm aware of auto flask

But it's not so possible during campaign or if you don't have the right mods

[twilit mountain]

I don't touch flasks other than quicksilver and life/mana until I have auto flask available

[junior oyster]

That's still 3 buttons extra

[twilit mountain]

I s'pose

Most PoE1 builds just have like, one button, movement button, and maybe a buff or two

[junior oyster]

2 flasks in poe2 feel much easier to handle

[maiden widget]

i was kinda hyped for FFT on my steam deck but it looks pretty bad and the price is lame

[gilded elm]

If you compare PoE1 vs PoE2 campaign builds, I think PoE2 does probably end up with less buttons because of flasks.

[junior oyster]

Oh yea ofc I played srs so I was pressing extra buttons for sure

[gilded elm]

Although, I hate PoE2's default controller mapping. I like the mapping for PoE1 more.

[junior oyster]

Dunno can't stand poe1 and grim dawn on the steamdeck

The only good arpgs that run well in terms of controls for me are poe2 and le

I guess slormancer too but I haven't played much of it

[gilded elm]

Slormancer endgame on Steam Deck has been unplayable for me haha

But I mean, that's true for PoE1 and PoE2 as well, I guess

[junior oyster]

It'd be the same for LE if we could actually juice LOOOL

[twilit mountain]

Slormancer endgame us barely playable on PC, that's why it's peak

[gilded elm]

True lmao

[junior oyster]

I gotta get back to slormancer someday

[gilded elm]

15 FPS gaming let's go

[junior oyster]

Especially now that I'm done with poe2

[sage flame]

posting a mid bosskill, still average at the game

silksong spoilers ||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kwqthkKpZs||

[twilit mountain]

see a Reddit post of an indie dev making a game that's vaguely a Metroidvania
comments are full of people bashing them for making one and "trying to ride on Silksong's popularity"

Holy shit are people not allowed to make games ina vaguely similar style anymore?

[sage flame]

we call it the nintendo effect

how dare you summon monsters

[twilit mountain]

Like, the gameplay isn't even remotely similar, the closest aspect is it is 2D without pixel art and it... has platforming I guess? Like, the combat isn't similar, it has a bloody hit combo system like DMC, and it has a SKILL TREE like Salt & Sacrifice

[sand wigeon]

The skill tree isn’t all that similar

[junior oyster]

Wait wasn't HK mocked in the beginning?

[sand wigeon]

And more accurately, Salt and Sanctuary

[junior oyster]

Or the dev of it

[sand wigeon]

But the art style and motion blur stylization are reminiscent of Salt and Sanctuary

[twilit mountain]

Pretty sure some folks called it an Ori clone

[sand wigeon]

And then Ori cloned Hollow Knight lol

“cloned”

the studios are on good terms, you get what i mean

[sage flame]

all of this to me sounds like

"this game has a minimap, gross"

[sand wigeon]

My game won’t have a minimap

Nor action combat

In fact my game will be a wall of paint that slowly dries

And you will buy it for $90

[sage flame]

pointcrow moment

[sand wigeon]

I am nothing like that twink

My paint wall will be the Osamu Dazai of paint walls

And I will also make @twilit mountain do everything

[twilit mountain]

True

Coffee is brewin btw

[junior oyster]

Deluxe edition where you get poisoning for $130

[sand wigeon]

Games are cool, though. I would like to actually make one someday.

Alas, the only skills I have are in writing and design

Which makes it hard to get going without art or a technical lead

[twilit mountain]

@neon sigil sir, say art things, I'm not awake enough yet

[sage flame]

silksong for me scratched the "actual world with things in it" itch

open world games lately feel empty

[sand wigeon]

Yeah, it did that well, though I don’t think I’d try to make a game that feels that way myself

[sage flame]

it's just a very particular thing that for some weird reason feels absent from today's market

not because nobody's trying to do it

[sand wigeon]

I think I’d disagree

[sage flame]

they just don't really get there

[sand wigeon]

I think you’re just not playing the right games

[twilit mountain]

I just don't like open world games

[sage flame]

I mean hey, only time for so many games

outside of elden ring or dogma 2 I can't think of a game that made me say "ok this world isn't 90% running around"

both hk games though did hit that mark

and I'm hoping nioh 3 does too

[sand wigeon]

Sable

Lunacid

Okami

[twilit mountain]

But that is ER, it's just 90% running around with 5 skeletons every twenty steps

[sand wigeon]

Sunless Sea IS literally 90% boating around but it makes that fun

[gilded elm]

You'd think r/gamedev is more about making games, but last I checked the entire subreddit is almost singularly focused on "how do I make my game profitable"

[sand wigeon]

And yeah ER has an infamously terrible open world

[sage flame]

I don't know. I did like it, maybe different vibes resonate with different people

it's littered with bosses which is also my thing

[sand wigeon]

I think Elden Ring was a bad game so

[twilit mountain]

(I do not like the very genre ER is in so I'm also super, super biased)

[sand wigeon]

I kept looking under every metaphorical rock pile while playing Elden Ring, all the while hoping something would change my mind or make it make sense

[twilit mountain]

@sand wigeon beeeep beeeep beeeeep beeeep beeeeep

[sage flame]

to be fair you aren't expecting roleplay or story heavy rewards to come from exploration in elden ring the way you'd expect it from say morrowind

[sand wigeon]

Repeat bosses, empty over worlds, empty POI’s, the only time it felt like I was playing a finished game was in the legacy dungeons, and even then mostly just Stormveil Castle

[sage flame]

it's mostly "cool boss, oh cool broken item"

[sand wigeon]

I didn’t expect either of those

I scoff when people call ER an RPG

[sage flame]

it's as much an rpg as silksong is

[sand wigeon]

So not at all

[twilit mountain]

Wha

[sage flame]

yep

like... barely at all 😭

I definitely do like the "rpg progression" in it with the +ing of gear

but that's a bias I carry from lineage 2

[sand wigeon]

(I think I can talk about Elden Ring, to people who think I just don’t know what I’m talking about)

[twilit mountain]

But Silksong is? Not a classic RPG, but definitely an RPG still? It has a clearly laid out story with characters and consistent dialogue throughout that tells you of the world it's in and the experiences of the NPCs around you?

[sand wigeon]

That’s not an RPG

That’s just a narrative game lol

[gilded elm]

Yeah, Elder Scrolls games are RPGs in the actual sense of the genre.

[sage flame]

Yeah, rpg nowdays is a lot more character statistical development focused, the shift leaned towards "numbers"

[sand wigeon]

Which is stupid

[twilit mountain]

That's stupid

You play a clear role in a game, it's a role playing game

Open and shut

[sand wigeon]

No

Lol

[gilded elm]

I think immersing yourself into the character and the world around that character is a huge defining part of the role-playing aspect of an RPG.

[sand wigeon]

You play a role in every game

[twilit mountain]

No you don't

[sand wigeon]

In RPG’s, you define the story actions your character makes

Look at Cyberpunk

Look at Fallout

[sage flame]

yeah you play a role in most games that aren't impersonal like idk, geometry dash or something generic

[gilded elm]

Yeah, Cyberpunk and Fallout are real RPGs.

[sand wigeon]

Skyrim leans less on the RPG part, but other TES games are RPG’s

[twilit mountain]

This is why I hate genre names

[sand wigeon]

You’re too literal

[sage flame]

fallout is times more of an rpg than elden ring is, but still, it carries the statistical growth aspect which is what helped push the focus towards that, when defining a genre

[sand wigeon]

Like, I wouldn’t say Pacific Drive is an RPG

I’d say it’s a narrative exploration game

But The Life and Suffering of Sir Brante is definitely an RPG

[twilit mountain]

That's not really a genre though. I can think of like, two other things I could apply those words to.

[sage flame]

LE is near devoid of any aspect of heavy narrative, let's be honest the story is barebones and you walk on rails and yet the statistical aspect of it is still good enough to brand it an rpg. The opposite isn't always true. People will never call a game an rpg if there's no "numbers"

[sand wigeon]

Then it’s an exploration game

[gilded elm]

ARPGs were traditionally called Hack and Slash IIRC.

[twilit mountain]

Once upon a time yeah. That got moved over to things like DMC for some reason

[sage flame]

and god of war etc

early assassin's creed too

[twilit mountain]

Same genre actually

[sand wigeon]

The point is that genre names are stupid and pointless when you try to take them all literally

[twilit mountain]

Early AC was a stealth game actually

[sand wigeon]

All they’re meant to do is give you a general idea of what the game is like from a glance

And that doesn’t require genre names to be exact

[twilit mountain]

Combat was deliberately made clunky to make you not want to do it

[fierce moth]

which iphone is it?

[gilded elm]

"Souls-like" does a better job of setting expectations for a game than say "RPG"

[sage flame]

I don't think anybody would go ahead and put the rpg label on something that has the statistical growth of say, a 2d zelda game

[sage flame]

mostly because soulslikes mostly do have a stat screen and gear

[twilit mountain]

But... they are :(

[sand wigeon]

IPhone 12 Mini

[sage flame]

if they didn't, I doubt the community would recognize them as such

[twilit mountain]

I've always taken Soulslike to be a descriptor of the gameplay style

[sand wigeon]

Also yeah

Souls-like is a gameplay descriptor

[sage flame]

yeah, same way arpg is basically diablo clones

[gilded elm]

Yeah I'd agree Souls-like describes the gameplay you can expect more than anything.

[sand wigeon]

I have played almost every somewhat main stream souls-like

Do not do that BTW

Most of them suck

[twilit mountain]

Monster Hunter is a soulslike and you cannot change my mind

[sand wigeon]

It is

[sand wigeon]

Or you play them and go “I see what they were trying to do, but they couldn’t quite get there, and so this sucks.”

Looking at you, Thymesia and Nioh 1.

[twilit mountain]

Nioh 1 suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucks

I missed a key

[sage flame]

if nioh 3 is bad I'll be heartbroken

trailer looks so cool

💔

[sand wigeon]

As long as they don’t remove my ten minute cutscenes I’ll be happy

Tokichiro was the best part of Nioh 2

[sage flame]

heavy agree

also please good VAs

[sand wigeon]

The Japanese VA’s in Nioh 2 were great

The English ones make my ears bleed

[sage flame]

I never switched to english

I'm glad

[gilded elm]

I always try to play in the game's original intended VA, even played Wukong in Mandarin and really enjoyed it

[sage flame]

I should do that

[twilit mountain]

Incredibly annoying spot for a...something. idk. I don't see a splinter in there but it feels like it

[sage flame]

wukong is on my to play list but my backlog doesn't stop growing

[junior oyster]

I played Diablo 4 in the original VA too

[sand wigeon]

D4 has amazing voice acting

[junior oyster]

I'll be honest I disagree

[sand wigeon]

It's partly the reason I even felt like doing small side quests

[sand wigeon]

Why's that?

[gilded elm]

It's been so long since I played D4 at a volume high enough to actually hear the VA, so I don't have a good memory on what it was like lol

[junior oyster]

It just felt too much like they were emphasising the 'Russian' kind of accent

[gilded elm]

I do remember the major character VAs being really good, though.

[sand wigeon]

The... what?

[junior oyster]

Not saying it in the political sense

I just... something I don't feel familiar with

[sand wigeon]

I see

I can't say I understand what you mean

[junior oyster]

Like I'm used to American/British acc

D3 was mostly American iirc

And d2 for that matter

[sand wigeon]

I think we play very different games

[gilded elm]

I remember liking Lorath (obviously), Inarius, Lilith, Mephisto, Prava and even Neyrelle's VAs.

[sand wigeon]

I would say the games I play most often have latino characters

[junior oyster]

Yea I'm kinda more talking about the whole map I guess

Korvath or w/e its called

[neon sigil]

👀 marco bucci does some great videos on light and color theory if ya want something chill to watch

[sand wigeon]

Korvath is one small part

[sand wigeon]

And I suppose Canadian accents

[junior oyster]

The entire content not including the dlc

[neon sigil]

also I found an art tutor. Wish me luck @twilit mountain

[junior oyster]

Yea those were good except for prava personally

[fierce moth]

Good luck! Art Tutor... You mean art education in a university?

[sand wigeon]

Let me look... I play a lot of Stalker and Tarkov, that's Russian. Same with Chernobylite. Disco Elysium mostly has French and latino accents (from all over.) Destiny 2 has a mix of a lot of things. Clair Obscur has French accents. The Long Dark has Canadian accents. Pyre has a bunch of different things...

That's all I can immediately think of

[junior oyster]

I've not played any of them

[gilded elm]

I love Disco Elysium's English VAs

[junior oyster]

Except De2 for like 10minutes

[sand wigeon]

I think you just don't have a very broad perspective then

[gilded elm]

Honestly even Kim's voice acting was good in Disco, it's very "plain" but still was easy to connect with given the game's story and context.

[sand wigeon]

He has a French accent yeah

[junior oyster]

Maybe poe2 has some of the different accents but I never noticed

[sand wigeon]

I love Call me Mañaña’s voice acting

[sand wigeon]

ARPG's aren't really the place to look for diversity

[gilded elm]

How about Cuno? LOL

[sand wigeon]

Cuno is amazing too

[gilded elm]

100%

[sand wigeon]

I love his final expose in the last sequence

DE is famed for having amazing voice acting across the board

[twilit mountain]

THE THICKEST RUSSIAN ACCENT EVER THROUGH A ROBOTIC FILTER: YOUR OPPONENTS ARE LEADING, BUT DO NOT WORRY, YOU hAVE COME BACK FROM WORSE

[junior oyster]

Yea I honestly don't think I got a single game that has Russian accents (that obv aren't the bad guys at least)

Oh red alert 2 😂

[sand wigeon]

Opachki!

[twilit mountain]

Good luck!!!

[junior oyster]

'See you're libertea' xD

[gilded elm]

Russian accents do seem to be very uncommon in games. I love Russian accents in English, would love to hear more of it in games.

[junior oyster]

Yea maybe I won't feel it as off-putting if I see it more often in games that I like

[sand wigeon]

I see Russian accents everywhere

In like

Half of the games I play

Lmao

[gilded elm]

One of my favorite factions in Warhammer 40,000 lore are the Night Lords space marine legion. They are often voiced and narrated with a Russian (or Eastern European) accent. I love it so much.

[junior oyster]

Ngl this is probably the most Russian accent I've heard and I'm 100% sure it's not Russian https://youtu.be/sHgfvGVinBI?t=182

[gilded elm]

Yeah Command & Conquer is pretty much US vs Russia cold war fantasy based in the future if I remember.

[tawny sand]

my favorite russian is tim curry

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_U59u69tys

[junior oyster]

Spaaaaace

I know before even looking at the video

[tawny sand]

lmao

[junior oyster]

Him trying to not laugh gets me all the time

[tawny sand]

i wonder why they haven't remastered RA2 and C&C2

[twilit mountain]

He do be right though 😔

[junior oyster]

I really really want an ra2 remaster

Don't even care about making the cutscenes better either

[gilded elm]

People have been wanting a refresh of C&C for so long that a whole ass game recently came out to fill the void, it's called Tempest Rising.

[junior oyster]

Just the game in general

Yea heard of that

[gilded elm]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1486920/Tempest_Rising/

[placid yarrow]

Wdym they released that C&C mobile game..............

[junior oyster]

I've wanted total annihilation but BAR exists so

[placid yarrow]

that thing was such a slap in the face lmao

[gilded elm]

Hah, lmao

[junior oyster]

Although I suck at BAR

[tawny sand]

i'm a stronghold fan personally and we're eating good

[gilded elm]

A remaster and DLC, if I remember

[tawny sand]

the definitive editions are solid (tho i think multiplayer is buggy? I haven't played multi yet so dunno)

a friend and i were going to do the co-op campaign but we havent' gotten around to it yet

[gilded elm]

Tempest Rising trailer which is very reminiscent of Command & Conquer: https://youtu.be/L_w9CLj8P5E

[tawny sand]

yeh i've heard of TR

i just don't really play rts games that much

[gilded elm]

Yeah, RTS is just a dying/dead genre in general.

It had its glory days with Age of Empires, Starcraft, WC3 etc.

[tawny sand]

i'm surprised crate is doing an rts

[junior oyster]

In an alternate timeline it would be total annihilation in place of SC

[sand wigeon]

Cold War US vs Russia fantasy 👁️

(I know what Command and Conquer is, I'm just making an inside joke with Deias)

[twilit mountain]

The god damn Ministry

[sand wigeon]

The GOD DAMNED MINISTRY

[gilded elm]

They are? Seems like a weird choice. It's commonly said that platformers are the most saturated and therefore worst genre to make a new game for these days, but I tend to think RTS is actually the worse genre lol

[tawny sand]

yeah it's the game they're working on after farthest frontier

they're doing a new engine for it too

[gilded elm]

Interesting. They're also doing GD2, although that doesn't go into pre-production until next year. Although Crate (Zantai specifically) has confirmed that the new engine which was created for GD2 is actually complete at this point.

[tawny sand]

speaking of farthest frontier it leaves early access this month

[junior oyster]

Wait it's in ea?

Damn

Thought it was released lol

[gilded elm]

Dope, I'm sure Crate's gonna be happy to move on to their next projects.

[tawny sand]

ah i see, yeah in the chris wilson interview it's rts then gd2 on that engine or something

is what arthur said anyway

[gilded elm]

Oh both the RTS and GD2 are gonna be the same engine?

[sand wigeon]

I've begun realizing I like "war" games. As in games about war or managing war but not the massive scale of something like Warhammer.

[gilded elm]

In that case, the engine is already completed then.

[twilit mountain]

Isn't Crate like 20 odd people?

[junior oyster]

So football manager but war?

[sand wigeon]

More like Rebel Inc

[gilded elm]

Not sure, but in the interview with Chris Wilson they said they made GD with 7 people.

[sand wigeon]

(Which I am actively playing)

[junior oyster]

Last I remember they said they had 13 peeps

[sand wigeon]

And I've really enjoyed getting into war history in my fiction writing, since it's urban fantasy, and has to draw from real wars

[tawny sand]

yeah it's been in ea for a long time, i think the gd expansion slowed it down a bit

but i'm really looking forward to it releasing

i do kind of wish it was in the GD setting tho, i think they could've done some interesting mechanics with the aetherials and chthonics

[gilded elm]

I like that Arthur used the success of GD to let himself and his team at Crate just build a game they actually wanted to make and not necessarily what was the most profitable to make.

[twilit mountain]

Very viable as a small studio

[gilded elm]

And that's how we have Farthest Frontier, which I own but havne't really played much. Still, sounds like they enjoyed building it.

[tawny sand]

yeh

it's my most hyped town builder since banished tbh

[gilded elm]

Looks like it was probably a successful venture for them, too.

[tawny sand]

crate makes good games

[gilded elm]

Yeah, I think when you're allowed to follow your passions, you make great things.

[tawny sand]

i just hope the rts does well for them, cause that's a risky venture i think more so than their other games

[twilit mountain]

Yeah I mean, I don't like GD myself but it's a good game

[junior oyster]

Fair

[twilit mountain]

I'm capable of separating that, y'know?

[junior oyster]

Same

[gilded elm]

Yeah, a rare skill these days, it seems.

[sand wigeon]

Actually every game sucks.

[junior oyster]

I never liked tl2 but I understand it was a hit for many people

[twilit mountain]

Consequently, I love the KH series and those games are garbage

[gilded elm]

I thought KH1 was at least universally loved haha

I have fond memories of it

[twilit mountain]

They're suuuuuper divisive

[tawny sand]

i always thought the inclusion of final fantasy stuff in those games were weird to me

i only played the 1st one though, and i didn't finish it

[twilit mountain]

Especially as you get later into the series. Lots of people abhor KH3 and it's just like... maybe consider that you liked the older games because you were a kid 20 years ago?

[junior oyster]

For me I loved bastion but absolutely dislike hades

[gilded elm]

Yep. I've gone back and replayed some older games and realized how I don't have the same fondness for those games as I did when I was playing them as a kid/teenager.

Not dissimilar to how I loved D2 when it came out, but have no problem saying that it's not a good game in 2025.

[junior oyster]

Chrono trigger is never like this for me

[twilit mountain]

I hate Hades because it's a garbage roguelike, not because it's a bad game (it's a good game)

[tawny sand]

pyre 2 when

[twilit mountain]

(just... not a good roguelike. At all.)

PYRE 2 WHEN

[junior oyster]

I still wish we got a proper and good sequel to ct. Cross is a game I wish was in it's own universe

[twilit mountain]

I need to finish Pyre tbh. It's a really unique game, but I moved not long after I got it

[junior oyster]

I tried pyre but it definitely wasn't my kinda game

[gilded elm]

I have good memories of Chrono Cross, even if it's not considered a good sequel.

Chrono Cross was such a beautifully made game.

[junior oyster]

Yea if it wasn't tied to ct I'd consider it a really good game

I hate it specifically because of it being a sequel of sorts

[twilit mountain]

It's definitely niche. I don't blame you.

[junior oyster]

Meanwhile I did like transistor

Though it's one of those games I'd only play once

[tawny sand]

the only one i didn't like was bastion tbh, but i can't remember why

it's been a while since i played it

[twilit mountain]

Can't hurt to try again. if you still don't maybe you'll figure out why, and maybe you'll find you do now

[sand wigeon]

Pyre is one of my favorite games ever made

[neon sigil]

nah just some guy that I want to learn from.

[fierce moth]

Are you plan to join in poe 2 fan art competition?

[neon sigil]

Maybe, im not sure. Im workin on refining my pixel art rn

[fierce moth]

I'm struggling with the basics of sketching instead

Never learn basics of drawing so I think it will time-consuming if I want my acrylic painting looks non-amateur

[blissful token]

i like how merchant just do a leg sweep and i died in 1 hit

[fierce moth]

A few details are lacked in Wolcen so the experience isn't good...

1. I wish I can summon windows bar anytime so I prefer borderless window, but if I select this option, I can't summon windows bar or take screenshots, so the only option for me is windowed.
2. ps4 controller don't be supported in this game
3. The 1st skill is fireball, but this skill cost lots of "mana" (it call willpower in this game) so combats are interrupted by out of mana often

.... My cursor is disappeared, my windowed sink at the bottom of screen too. It cause I can't watch the game screen entirely

But I see le have learnt some from wolcen's design

energy shield in poe/poe 2, ward in le, force shield in wolcen. Interesting

No tooltip of exclusive terms is one of outdated points in wolcen too

[abstract karma]

finally time to play f.. work >.> weekend is gone

Wanted finishe PoE 2 to switch something different before some interesting update in ARPG's will come

[abstract karma]

to be honest i would rather wanna some inovation than repreat of same features just differently named..

sometimes you get at least energy/stamina vs Mana

[fierce moth]

hah quite tough to learn exclusive terms in wolcen because I need to search them one by one on Fandom's wiki, many of them don't available and I don't understand yet after checked the info

[abstract karma]

welp you know "wolcen" franchise and after latest changes i dont even except to get any official support for players

[twilit mountain]

I don't have an answer to 1
But, for 2 you should be able to force it with compatibility software if needed (DS4Windows usually works), and for 3 the game is balanced around "generator/spender" gameplay but with an attempt to make skills both at once, so you use a skill to spend one resource while generating another resource for a different skill to cycle back the opposite result.

[fierce moth]

Yes, #1 is too bad. 4 conditions I must do to take a screenshot:

1. Windowed in display
2. Pin my windows taskbar
3. I don't mind exposing my windows taskbar in screenshot
4. Cursor have clicked windows taskbar

Details determines the quanlity... Realistic.

🤔 ?

[sage flame]

Sacred being under the occult tab is peak lore 😭

[fierce moth]

lol quite funny... I don't notice arrows are available to click at all...I just miss that. Buttons are too matched with the UI

[abstract karma]

why so big urge playing wolcen right now ?

[fierce moth]

I don't want to burn out in poe 2/le, I want to learn a new loot-based ARPG, I can't accept outdated graphics, wolcen is on sale

[abstract karma]

you have high demands.. best games are with outdated graphics

[fierce moth]

The rhythm of combats in wolcen better than tq 2 a lot.

Yes, that's why I'm quite picky on games and missed many popular games

I'm not sure what I want to get from a game sometimes even. You can say I still develop my interest in playing games. Just "gameplay".

Gameplay designer is the core of a game without doubt. Games requires interactions, not just epic art style. I still learning to accept this point.

[fierce moth]

Magic find. Ok I'm glad that I have played GGG's games before

It call magic find directly in wolcen

[abstract karma]

Did PoE 2 increased droprates ? why i grinded today 3 divines already

[junior oyster]

The interview between Chris and Arthur Bruno and the fact they talk about potentially joining a publisher

Crate dodged a bullet can't lie

LE probably could have done the same if they went offline only

[blissful token]

I really wish E33 can access enemy weakness without having to remember them

[desert jasper]

Just remember the weakness
ez
there's only like 1000 different enemies (i've no idea how many there are actually)

[vagrant topaz]

From the kickstarter page
They wanted it to be online

[junior oyster]

Yea I'm aware

Was a kickstarter xD

I'm saying they could have made the game with fewer devs possibly if they did just offline

[desert jasper]

Who's Arthur Bruno again?

[junior oyster]

Grim Dawn ceo of sorts I guess

Director I think?

I'm so used to Zantai as the face of GD cuz of streams and his grim misadventures lol

[abstract karma]

Grimd dawn is gold but their approach for later developing is mess.. XXX old game and rather than push new game (because they have just not enough things for making better engine or simple switch to newer one) they making DLC's

[junior oyster]

After the rts and gd dlc #3 they plan on making gd2

I think they got an engine ready for gd2

[maiden widget]

You'd also get less content if it's offline only

[junior oyster]

There is barely any content currently anyway

[desert jasper]

Ah yea, I'm way too sued to Zantai
I remember in one of their streams they got asked about possible GD2 but this way years ago

[maiden widget]

Compared to 1.0 we got tons of new cool things imo

[junior oyster]

Straight up denied it for so long lol

[junior oyster]

1.0 had the 4 dungeons already right?

[maiden widget]

Uh probably but no nemesis, no tombs and no Dino's ofc

I also wish we'd finally get the gd expansion

[junior oyster]

Same

[maiden widget]

Silly me thought they'd release it I. 2025

[junior oyster]

I thought StS2 would be 2025 too lol

https://youtu.be/MjcIT8CftWo?t=82 age like milk loool

[fierce moth]

🤔 The classic colour combo here again. Black marble with golden ornaments

[junior oyster]

Looks like le

[fierce moth]

Do wolcen have stashes?

[vagrant topaz]

I believe so

IIRC

[junior oyster]

Haven't played in a while but I think so

Think you have to talk to npc in town

[fierce moth]

🤔 I don't find stash yet, maybe I don't unlock

[junior oyster]

No I believe you need to speak to npc

In town

[fierce moth]

oh I missed that, ok

[vagrant topaz]

I believe the stash is in the top of the square where all the merchants/crafting are

[fierce moth]

[vagrant topaz]

OO

Lol

You filthy offline player xD

[junior oyster]

Time to go online kirra

Oh wait...

[vagrant topaz]

🤣

Let me boot up my nas to host the game

Damn you Kirra

[blissful token]

uhh... how good is sciel? i dont really like the sun and moon thingy

[desert jasper]

Sciel is 10/10

[junior oyster]

What's sciel?

[vagrant topaz]

Sciel ?

[blissful token]

E33 playable character

[vagrant topaz]

Ah

Fun french fact
Sciel > S + Ciel > S + sky

[blissful token]

Ssky?

[vagrant topaz]

I guess it fits the "sun and moon thingy"

[blissful token]

ahh

[vagrant topaz]

Ciel in french means sky

[blissful token]

i feel like Gustave is starting to fall off

So Sciel is a stacker

that makes speed stat important to her huh

[desert jasper]

Ah, still in act1 right?

[blissful token]

yes

just got her in fact

[desert jasper]

Yeah, that's how I figured

[blissful token]

i think Lune goes well with Maelle and as a general support or elementalist if you build her that way

but ehh... idk about ciel

Gustave isn't doing much now either

[desert jasper]

Sciel is the best waifu

[blissful token]

waifu huh

[desert jasper]

Why yes

Though you can ignore me
I haven't actually played the game and know very little of it

And i might or might not be making things up

I only watched a friend play it a little so I basically just know the character names

[blissful token]

i think i will bench her for now

[desert jasper]

Just bench Gustave
nobody will miss him
have all woman team

[blissful token]

i wanna bench gustave too tbh but he can apply poweful for 3 turns, thats the only redeeming part

[blissful token]

I like this idea LMAO

[desert jasper]

I've nothing but good ideas

I'm not sure if you can even bench Gustave, seeing as he has the main character thingy going on

[blissful token]

You can for combat, story-wise he's still around

I'll take Gustave for now just cause he can apply powerful

[desert jasper]

Yeah ofc he wouldn't just leave the story stuff

[junior oyster]

I remember doing this in Grandia II

[blissful token]

man it gets crazy when u pick picto just based on the active stats that they give instead of the picto effect itself, then u pick lumina for their effect

but u will need tons of lumina

[desert jasper]

Ez
just get tons of lumina
no questions asked

[blissful token]

okay, so E33 also have a grubfather

[blissful token]

I like my Maelle with short-hair, now she looks abit like Fiora from LoL

all these humours with the Gestral

[gilded elm]

Every character can be built to be top tier (except maybe Gustave)

[blissful token]

my man Gustave does fall off huh, i already felt it early game

[gilded elm]

Also welcome to Expert mode haha

[blissful token]

its fun sire

[gilded elm]

Yeah Expert is the way

Parry counter attacks feel so good

[blissful token]

I realized the graphical assets in E33 are actually less refined (some asset looks polygon-ish). Could be the style they are going for, but they still looks okay generally. Also, the game dont take tons of harddisk space.

Is this one of those gameplay > graphic kinda game like Sekiro . The graphic looks just good enough that you generally accepts that as it is. More importantly, the combat is

how is this pronounced as fran-suah?

[junior oyster]

Ask google

[abstract karma]

Dang i though i finish poe 2 today but i dont have currencies on fragments >.> and no citadels so far found

[junior oyster]

I'm done with poe2

Can give you my divs if you want

Have like 10 or so

[abstract karma]

dont want divines.. i just want fragments, try boss if kill throw game out of my list 😄

[vagrant topaz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0DCodfG0Lo

[blissful token]

• The name François is pronounced frahn-SWAH. It is a French name, so it's pronounced using French rules, not English. The final "s" is silent, and the "oi" diphthong is pronounced as "wa"

da French rule

diphthong... wat?

[desert jasper]

Don't think about it too hard

[blissful token]

Heck...

[blissful token]

yo am i playing fall guys

peak gameplay

[junior oyster]

If I knew just how easy it was to get 1000 points I would have been playing yesterday lol

Ngl though I don't think I'm gunna be farming doing much more though

[fierce moth]

Hatsune Miku

[junior oyster]

Yep

I mainly farmed it for a fomo gear 😂

Loool ain't no way I'd be getting top 1000 xD

You have to farm like crazy and win practically every run

[fierce moth]

hah...This world just quite amazing

Oh wait that's not Hatsune Miku... Let me search its English name

🥴 ...Alright. She's disappeared since last year.

[blissful token]

Somehow i watched her play Apex Legend for abit before i forgor about her

[junior oyster]

Same thing but with Lifecoach on twitch

I used to watch him play StS but yea he's been offline for over a year

[tawny sand]

i remember lifecoach

he played gwent for a while

and then gwent died

[fierce moth]

@neon sigil @sudden anchor I want to share an interesting video...

The Case for Making Art When the World Is on Fire | Amie McNee | TED https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDs2d3dJtYk&t=134s

It discussed why this world need our art.

Go on doing what you like and create your path. That's the sense of our life

I asked similar question 3 days before I saw this video lol

[gilded elm]

As an average, non-artistic consumer... I have seen plenty of AI art that I like. There are games I've seen using AI art that I would pay for because I'm simply ignorant about where that art comes from and ultimately it doesn't matter to me whether the art is made by AI or human, I'll open my wallet for whatever look good to me.

I know that's not what most artists want to hear, but it's my truth. And I kind of suspect it's the truth for most people who consume any kind of artistic media.

Right now, there's a huge gap between AI art and human art because most mainstream AI image models have glaring flaws. But as we've seen with the launch of Sora 2, there's an enormous demand for AI art that actually looks good.

[fierce moth]

I can imagine people like you will more and more, it's why artists are worrying about their future

[gilded elm]

Yes, my assessment of art is "does it look good to me? do I like it?"

"Who made this art?" does not really factor into my decisions.

[junior oyster]

Also it's kinda hard for non-artists (or non-art appreciators) like me to tell the difference between ai art or human art

I've looked at art thinking it's ai generated but then it's not

And vice versa

[gilded elm]

Yes, the gap is rapidly closing. Plenty of artists are now being accused of making AI art even when they aren't. This is happening probably because it's getting harder and harder for even artists to tell the difference.

[fierce moth]

The speaker said "we're born to create art", but I think the other question is how to think of "Art from learning ai tools is my art too".

[tawny sand]

i saw a thread of someone getting sued cause they said a book was ai generated

and left a review

[twilit mountain]

I simply don't like paying for something that isn't human creation. The machine has no creativity, thought, or desire to it, and no inputting prompts into it is not even remotely in the same realm as someone sitting down and painstakingly going over every single line of their piece.

[junior oyster]

Welp time to remove these bookmarks now that I'm done with poe2

[mental talon]

Yeah ultimately I don't really give a shit if it's AI or humans w.e. just as long as you're up front about it. Same way in body building and Hollywood I don't give a shit if you use steroids just don't lie

[twilit mountain]

(Note that I have friends whose art has been deliberately scraped by AI models so I have a bit more personal distaste for how they operate)

[gilded elm]

There is an "ethical" argument here akin to factory farmed meat vs free range. Obviously there is a whole other health-related argument to this particular example, but if you ignore that and only consider the more practical cost-related argument, it's very similar.

As an average consumer with little to no artistic talent, I'm finding it increasingly hard to tell the difference between AI-generated art vs human-created art. This gap is only going to shrink, not widen.

We can agree to blame capitalism, but everyone knows capitalism isn't going anywhere so it doesn't really lead to any practical discussion in the context of consuming AI art vs human art.

I personally have no emotional investment in the process of creating art, and maybe that makes me a bad person in some ways, but I do think that most consumers are going to have that same mindset when it comes to their purchasing decisions.

[twilit mountain]

I mean, I do in fact abhor most consumer's mindsets. People generally want "more more more" without thinking of the why or how they get.

I won't touch the capitalism comment because whenever I speak on that I set off Kain's radar and get muted, but I will simply say capitalistic society makes me beyond angry

[gilded elm]

I'm of the opinion that a practical way forward for artists within the established capitalist constructs of our society in a future where AI appears to be taking over, is to accept AI as a tool they can use to enhance their craft and create more artistic value. If existing artists don't adapt, new artists will emerge who do.

I don't expect that generative AI is going anywhere given that it's projected market cap within the next 5 years is over a trillion dollars.

[twilit mountain]

Most artists are already using AI tools with their art. That is not the same as generative AI and it is disingenuous to say so.

[gilded elm]

At this point the question isn't "can we stop AI?" ... it should be "how can we survive in a market dominated by AI?"

[tawny sand]

i hope the ai market crashes, i would laugh

[gilded elm]

There are chat models and there are image models, they're both still generative models. You can certainly use chat models as a tool to assist with the creation of art, but there are also tools that use image models to touch up on your art in one way or another without generating the entire artwork. These are still generative models. The idea of generative AI isn't limited to a model generating the entire artwork.

[twilit mountain]

I forgot who I was speaking to so I'm just going to leave because every time you talk on this topic my respect for you drops significantly

[gilded elm]

Fine-tuning with Generative Fill or Generative Expand, for example, is growing in popularity in Photoshop: https://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop/generative-fill.html

Artists aren't the only people affected by AI. My field, software engineering, is also greatly affected by it. Maybe even more so, because current AI chat models are better at generating code than AI image models are at generating images.

I can't stop the emergence of generative AI for software engineering no more than artists can for art. That battle has already been lost. So I won't apologize for taking a pragmatic mindset about how I can continue to exist in this future.

[elfin stream]

what a hero

[gilded elm]

If I don't adapt and incorporate AI into my workflow, I'll eventually lose my job simply because I fell behind compared to my peers who did. I'm not going to risk my own livelihood to make some kind of moral argument against AI, that doesn't help me pay rent, my bills, buy food etc. And my suggestion to artists is to have the same pragmatic mindset for when the time comes that AI vs human art is truly indistinguishable.

If the argument is "you should be willing to put your job on the line to make that moral argument against AI" then consider that loss of respect mutual.

[sand wigeon]

see if everyone puts their job on the line, nobody puts their job on the line.

that’s how unions and strikes work, too!

the failure in execution comes from non-committing fools like you who are scared of people that care nothing for you

have a good day

[gilded elm]

"If everyone didn't buy a smartphone, there would be less people suffering in Chinese factories"

Let me know when you throw away all of your devices.

[sand wigeon]

This is a difference between technology one has been forced to use and a failure in human engineering that is still objectionable if you worked with your local unions and worker’s bureaus

I work, too. Maybe my job could theoretically be done with AI. But neither I nor my employer would prefer that outcome.

There is still change that can be made here. There are ways to prevent a market collapse built on the failures of an offhanded, incomplete program.

One that cannibalizes and consumes itself.

By choosing nothing, you have chosen your side and the outcome you’d prefer

[sand wigeon]

I don’t wish to be on that same side

[sand wigeon]

Real

Inaction is action.

That’s my point.

You let corporate greed trample you and every other worker by choosing nothing.

[gilded elm]

You work to reinforce a consumerist culture responsible for the untold suffering of millions, if not billions. As do I. Even if not directly, indirectly, in so, so many ways that you probably haven't even considered. My job is my livelihood, I see nobody in my industry taking a stand. I will not take a stand, and I'm one of the few who actually has a strong opinion about it.

[sand wigeon]

I don’t work to do that actually

I put my work up online for free

It is freely available for anyone

[sand wigeon]

And this is why we have things such as unions to protect the workers who do take a stand

[gilded elm]

And yet, it's built on human suffering on many different levels. The capital you earn is by definition suffering manifested.

[sand wigeon]

Lol

That’s such a nincompoop way to see things, my guy

[gilded elm]

Doesn't look like taking a stand helped automation replacing jobs long before AI, either.

[sand wigeon]

Because the world is built on suffering it’s impossible to do better, so I may as well do worse?

[sand wigeon]

Uh

[gilded elm]

You know why it didn't help? Consumers. You know why consumers made it possible for automation to replace human workers? Prices went down.

[sand wigeon]

Have you heard of unions

They did in fact help

Like, that’s just… categorically not true

We’re seeing a union fight against AI right now, with SAGAFTRA

[gilded elm]

Automation eliminated a whole category of human errors that led to more efficient factories. Some jobs may have been saved, but automation largely swept in unopposed. Countless people lost factory jobs in the wake of automation.

[abstract karma]

Situation of AI usage:

1. For what it should be used ? - Automatization of your work, helping making templates which are routine in your work
2. What ppl use for it ? Doing whole work but with bad quality whatever its IT, Graphic field or some paper work

Now What corporates which you work for thinks AI should be used and help with your work ? Obviously 2-b
2-b - AI should short your work a lot because it does your "Whole work" while you doing "finishing touches"..
-- there are even exteremes where somebody think AI is on such high lvl that they can replace that worker...

[sand wigeon]

And this is your reasoning to… support AI?

You’re saying that a similar thing happened before and it was awful which is why we should do it again! Hell yeah!

Unions did help. Workers bureaus helped minimize damage, but damage was most certainly done.

[gilded elm]

From a productivity standpoint, AI as a tool to supplement my workflow does in fact make me more productive, yes.

[sand wigeon]

Until your idiot employer doesn’t realize it still needs a human controlling this.

And then you’re fired, and the business scrambles to course correct, and then fails if they’re anything smaller than a bubble.

[gilded elm]

To be clear, I don't think automation replacing humans in factories is awful.

I think the loss of jobs is awful.

Those two are different things.

[sand wigeon]

I will not engage because I can see this is going nowhere

I am trying to understand you but I do not think you are understandable

I encourage you to better analyze your views

Anyway

[gilded elm]

If I had my way, companies would be paying a tax on automation (including things like AI) to pay towards a safety net for people whose livelihood was impacted.

[sand wigeon]

That’s nice

Anyway

The newest Destiny 2 DLC has such a funny story mechanic

They took the Metroid ball mode and just made us able to do that

It’s really funny looking

We technically turn ourself into “dark matter,” but it’s really just a fancy way of saying “metroid ball mode.” It’s used for puzzles and exploration and stuff.

My only criticism of the mechanic is that you have to do it at specific Matterspark stations, I wish we could freely swap back and forth (though I obviously understand why they don’t want us to be able to do that.)

[twilit mountain]

Me popping matterspark during DPS phase

[gilded elm]

Being someone who is very close to the AI technology space and its development, I can tell you the gap between #1 and #2 is closing.

Right now, yes AI is kinda bad at "making the whole thing" but this gap is closing more and more. I agree that #1 is how AI should currently be used, and it is in fact how I use it.

However, I think everyone whose job would be impacted should get ready for what happens when option #2 is capable of consistently creating high quality work. That time is coming.