📚┃off-topic

[sand wigeon]

Sekiro is heavily balanced to even small details

[blissful token]

i dont play enough

[sand wigeon]

If it works it works

I did all the boss rush modes with Kuro’s Charm + Bell

So I had to get very efficient for the all boss rush

[gilded elm]

Souls-likes typically have more in common with rhythm games than they do ARPGs and build-heavy games.

[sand wigeon]

Mm. I’d disagree for most of them, but Sekiro is absolutely a rhythm game

When played correctly, the sounds practically create a song

[gilded elm]

Fights are ultimately just a knowledge game for most Souls-like players. Not many people can one shot bosses without learning the rhythm

[sand wigeon]

It’s the most rhythm based souls-like I’ve ever played, at least

[sand wigeon]

Aye

[twilit mountain]

There is that one boss in DS3 (I think) that has its attacks timed with the soundtrack

So that's kinda cool

[sand wigeon]

Dancer of the Boreal Valley

[twilit mountain]

Yeah that one

[sand wigeon]

Hi I know a lot about Souls games

LMAO

[twilit mountain]

Neeeeeeeerd 🫵

[abstract karma]

This - represent character

• Any kind of upgradeable, changable element of your character defineds one character build..
  None defintion of "build" is "FIXED WHOLE GAME" it can be changed anything..

Even if you could max everything, and change your approach to any kind of battle diffently -> everytime you do that you basically "swap build"

You might call it "Combat style" but in the final it's basically your character build

[sand wigeon]

Nobody cares

Like you’re still going on about this?

[gilded elm]

Expedition 33 is so fun, I recommend it to any Souls-like fans who also enjoys JRPGs. The parry window in Expedition 33 is actually way harder than any Souls-like I've played.

[sand wigeon]

Whatevs, you’re right man

Idc

[sand wigeon]

I want to play it so badly but it’s so damned expensive

(It’s a JRPG, and I’ve been enjoying those more)

[gilded elm]

Yeah JRPG first, Souls-like second. But it blends both concepts in very, very well

[sand wigeon]

Yeah, so I’ve seen

[tawny sand]

i struggle finishing jrpgs these days, i prefer the older ones with lesser story now

like ff5

ff5 is like comfort food for me

[lunar meteor]

is it story heavy ?

[gilded elm]

Highly recommend playing on Expert difficulty if you're a Souls-like veteran. I think you'd really love Exp 33

[sand wigeon]

I really like the almost Studio Ghibli-esque design for some characters too

[twilit mountain]

I've been seeing it making the rounds online, it seems interesting. I'm just not really good at sticking to long narrative driven games anymore

[blissful token]

its a jrpg type? i saw a pic of a frenchman holding baguette meme

[sand wigeon]

Right now I’ve been absorbed by Days Gone

[thorn nacelle]

https://youtu.be/gRutFuikx6k?si=_z_2klGG6LZMWiNV little offtopic

[tawny sand]

i'm playing elder scrolls lol

[gilded elm]

It's cinema, yes. But it's not like FF16 if that's what you mean. The game is still a game, not just a giant movie.

[sand wigeon]

Once I 100% that I think I’ll get invested into either This War Of Mine or the Witcher 3, though I haven’t decided which yet

[tawny sand]

witcher 3 is quite good

[gilded elm]

It's a JRPG (the genre, not literally from Japan) made by French devs with their own spin to the genre.

[sand wigeon]

I’ve played it before, just not to completion

[tawny sand]

ah gotcha

[blissful token]

ahh

[tawny sand]

i think cyberpunk beats it out for me just a little though

[sand wigeon]

I have

Done everything imaginable in Cyberpunk lmao

I love Cyberpunk

My only complaint with the Witcher 3 is how empty and soulless the over world is, combined with boring combat

[gilded elm]

I'm the same way, but E33's narrative just pulls me in even more. Rarely do you see a game that has high marks on both story and gameplay.

[sand wigeon]

I hope that Witcher 4 really emphasizes the “gathering materials to make oils and poisons properly suited to your enemies”

“Prepare yourself or die” beat

[sand wigeon]

Counterpoint: Dishonored

[tawny sand]

i feel like alchemy was the best in the first game, but it's very linear so

i can't enjoy dishonored, it tries so hard to be like Thief, but I just love Thief too much and it just fails in comparison to me idk

[sand wigeon]

IMO they’re entirely different

And I don’t think Dishonored tried at all to be like Thief

I think if that’s what you go in expecting, you’re going to be disappointed

It was much more heavily inspired by System Shock

[tawny sand]

idk what to say about thinking it's like system shock, i've never heard that one before

[sand wigeon]

They’re

[gilded elm]

Oh, today is the NRFTW update?

[sand wigeon]

They’re the same genre

Who do you talk to about Dishonored lol

[tawny sand]

dishonored and system shock?

[sand wigeon]

Yes?

They’re immersive sims

[tawny sand]

dishonored is anot an immersive sim

[sand wigeon]

Uh

I see

[tawny sand]

system shock is closer to deus ex than dishonored

[gilded elm]

Kinda feel bad for NRFTW. Looks like it's heavily overshadowed by E33, Oblivion and D4. It still has players, but definitely not as many is it would have had normally. Even Quin is still playing Oblivion and I'm quite sure he'd be playing NRFTW if he wasn't.

[sand wigeon]

They’re stealth-action immersive sims, but sure, whatevs

[sand wigeon]

I don’t know what NRFTW is

[gilded elm]

No Rest For The Wicked, the Souls-like ARPG

[sand wigeon]

Oh, I’m dumb

[twilit mountain]

Dishonored is considered by the entire online immsim community as an immsim

Just sayin

[sand wigeon]

TBF NRFTW also wasn’t very well received

It had a lot of issues

I think most interested players are waiting for full release

[twilit mountain]

It's literally hailed as one of the only good modern immsims from a large studio

[sand wigeon]

That and Prey, to some degree

Which is also made by Arkane lol

[gilded elm]

Maybe it'll pop off more on release yeah

It's catching up to D4 in viewers though, that's embarassing for D4 lmao

Second day of a new season with only 26k viewers on Twitch.

[tawny sand]

I mean in that same regard Thief is also considered an Immersive Sim, but i'm talking about mechanics not simulation

[sand wigeon]

Yeah?

[tawny sand]

system shock has heavy rpg elements that dishonored does not have imo

[sand wigeon]

Uh

I have bad news for you

But that’s wrong-

[tawny sand]

oh well

whatevs

[sand wigeon]

The levels literally change based on your previous actions

Actions that you make, as the player

And some actions that can only appear by exploring and interacting with people

[gilded elm]

Okay it's not that close but still, this is embarrassing for D4 lmao

[sand wigeon]

Eh, D4’s good

It’s just not as popular because people prefer other stuff

[gilded elm]

D4 is in a decent state right now, but the roadmap paints a bleak picture.

[sand wigeon]

I don’t think it’s very surprising, especially with how divisive the ARPG community is toward modern Diablo

While somehow also lauding older Diablo like it’s the grand prize

[tawny sand]

i'm not talking about roleplaying exactly, i meant more like hard coded rpg systems. System Shock has attributes and such, but yeah whatevs. Dishonored has skills sure. We're not going to understand each other tho

[gilded elm]

I mean I'll say it straight up. I think D4 is a better game than D2 if we're comparing by 2025 standards.

[sand wigeon]

It’s fine if you don’t think Dishonored is an immersive sim, but generally it is considered one of the best immersive sims ever

[sand wigeon]

No duh

D2 sucks

[tawny sand]

yeah that's fair tbh

[thorn nacelle]

Why mate, d4 is trash so it deserves that

[sand wigeon]

The fact that saying “this modern, well-crafted game with beautiful visuals and fantastic voice acting is better than this ancient game that can struggle to even run if your hardware is too modern” is a hot take is insane

[abstract karma]

What generation of gamers you are that d4 > d2 ?

[thorn nacelle]

[sand wigeon]

Mm, it’s like how I label Monster Hunter as a souls-like even if most people disagree with that

[thorn nacelle]

2025 standards. Graphics maybe anythink else gg

[tawny sand]

monster hunter is a phantasy star online like imo 😏

[thorn nacelle]

The best scam of the decade after d4 its poe 2

[gilded elm]

Nope, D4 has D2 beat on quality of life too.

[thorn nacelle]

Never saw more smart devs

[sand wigeon]

Normal people?

[gilded elm]

I played D2 when it first released.

[thorn nacelle]

They know how to put traps

[gilded elm]

I'm probably older than most of you

[thorn nacelle]

Me too

I was 13years old when played d2

[twilit mountain]

D2 sucks. D4 sweeps it in pretty much every manner.

[gilded elm]

I can recognize that D2 was a good game for its time, but that's all it was.

[abstract karma]

Me too but saying that design, gameplay and approach of d4 is better than d2 is for aprg player just weird

[sand wigeon]

Exactly.

It doesn’t hold up anymore.

[gilded elm]

It was a good early 2000s game that was very influential to the genre, but by today's standards it's not a great game.

[sand wigeon]

I’m not out here saying King’s Field 3 (US) is the best game ever

Even if it’s one of my favorites.

[thorn nacelle]

Thanks god there is D2 Lod mod 1 good arpg to play nowdays after LE

Anythink Else is for the toilet

[sand wigeon]

I’m not out here saying the original Marathon is the best game ever

Despite it revolutionizing FPS games

[twilit mountain]

D2's weird popularity also causes other games from just slightly after it to be massively overshadowed too, which is really sad imo.

[gilded elm]

Obviously if D2 was better than D4, more people would be playing D2 today. That's clearly not the case.

[thorn nacelle]

Even counter strike that young Generation today plays its 1999s Mod

Half life..

[abstract karma]

Hate standard of modern games designs... How many gernes were ruined by corruped design, mmorpg were hit first

[thorn nacelle]

Season 8 seems they wake up slowly

[sand wigeon]

Oh so this is wrong

[thorn nacelle]

But still devs are ultra amateurs

Same Story every season

[sand wigeon]

I assume you’re talking about Counter Strike: Global Offensive 2

[thorn nacelle]

[sand wigeon]

In which case, there have been many Counter Strike games.

It hasn’t been a mod since the first two.

Counter Strike Source was a standalone game built in the Source engine, and CS:GO was the same

[gilded elm]

1999 sounds like pre-Source. CS Source was the CS if I remember.

[tawny sand]

i don't feel like that argument adds up in most cases, cause like i would say Morrowind is better than Skyrim, but Skyrim is more moddable and easier to set up (for the most part) I guess idk.

[blissful token]

CS 1.6?

[sand wigeon]

There were even earlier versions

[gilded elm]

1.6 was pre-Source, wasn't it?

[sand wigeon]

No, that was still source

[blissful token]

even condition zero was pre-source

[tawny sand]

i should say at least this is as far as some systems/mechanics go, cause each TES has pros and cons imo

[fierce moth]

@blissful token do you remember what Wick said for answering do monthly interview go on this month and why?

[sand wigeon]

Sorry let me clarify

CS 1.6 was built on GldSrc, a modified Quake engine

[fierce moth]

I'm not sure I understand

[sand wigeon]

CS Source was built on… Source

An independent engine

[blissful token]

he mistaken it for last month, the interview post will be published tmr

[sand wigeon]

Weird naming schemes causing confusion

[thorn nacelle]

Fck ya

[fierce moth]

😅 English listening is hard

[fierce moth]

what's tmr

[twilit mountain]

Source isn't even really a new engine, it's basically just further modified GldSrc.

[thorn nacelle]

Golden times! Specially LAN call of duty 2... go play fps games today kekW.. 99% are on cheats

[sand wigeon]

Yeahz

[gilded elm]

1.6 was definitely kind of a "peak" CS moment at least as I remember it. But people by and large still played post-1.6

[blissful token]

short for tomorrow

[twilit mountain]

Brother you're stoned out of your mind lmfao

[sand wigeon]

I think you just suck

Lol

[thorn nacelle]

Nah its called Nostalgia stroke

Nowdays they have midnight

[sand wigeon]

What

What are you on about

[gilded elm]

Oh cool Ziz is playing NRFTW

[tawny sand]

isn't battlefield 1 and titanfall like unplayable now cause of all the cheaters? i remember reading an article about that, other than that idk much about cheats

[sand wigeon]

No

I play both semi-regularly lol

[tawny sand]

Oh then idk 🤷

I think it was a pcgamer article

[sand wigeon]

And I’ll be frank

[twilit mountain]

To my knowledge 1.6 spiked the popularity/brought it to public attention, but CSGO is when it really popped off and became basically a global phenomenon

[sand wigeon]

I’d rather have cheaters than invasive anti-cheats

[gilded elm]

Yeah that sounds right. Memory is blurry, but I do remember how massive CS GO was over the years.

[tawny sand]

the only multiplayer game i got into in my recent years was the Transformers games, and there were def people teleporting around and sniping lmao. Fun games tho

[twilit mountain]

Titanfall 2 servers got basically crashed to the ground for a while so it was unplayable on PC, but Respawn recovered it and the community also created their own client that most people play on now

[gilded elm]

Man it's crazy to think that Steam started out as an updater tool for Counter-Strike

[sand wigeon]

I play many multiplayer games so

[sand wigeon]

And even during that time there were playable community servers

[gilded elm]

I vaguely remember the first time I used Steam, it was for CS

[thorn nacelle]

Wanted to play Battlefield.. and after long long search found out that the best battlefield in 2025 is battlefield 1. That shows more than enough about nowdays playerbase and gaming Market.

[sand wigeon]

That’s just not true

[twilit mountain]

My Steam account is only like 9 or 10 years old?

[tawny sand]

i've had my steam account since the orange box

[thorn nacelle]

Respect

[twilit mountain]

I didn't have a computer in my house for a long time

[sand wigeon]

The trifecta of modern Battlefield games (1, 5 and 2042) all offer very different things

And what you want to play will vary based on what you like

[twilit mountain]

I made my Steam at my mother's parents' place on their PC lol

[thorn nacelle]

Does anyone know Garena?

Dota 1 online

[tawny sand]

i don't keep up with mobas

[gilded elm]

Probably a good thing, that was a better time to get into gaming than when I did haha

[sand wigeon]

Moba’s suck

[thorn nacelle]

Only Dota 1 nothing else

[sand wigeon]

Purely because of how awful the community is

[abstract karma]

Know dota from w2/w3

[thorn nacelle]

Anythink Else after dota 1 u know

[sand wigeon]

I have no comment about the gameplay but the communities are awful

Same with ARPG communities

Some of the most vile, idiotic communities in the gaming sphere

[thorn nacelle]

True Hardcore moba. Specially LAN games 5v5

[gilded elm]

Moba as a genre is fun, but yes it really brings out the worst in people.

[thorn nacelle]

Getting stunned from Mirana into Hook from Butcher cya xD

[gilded elm]

In fact, I'd even recommend that you don't play Mobas with your close friends.

[sand wigeon]

You might not like the BEAST that you see

[tawny sand]

my friends really like dota 2 and tried to get me to play, i did not like it at all

[thorn nacelle]

Was doing that for 48 hours straight lol

[sand wigeon]

The only moba I have enjoyed playing and had a respectful time playing was Deadlock

[thorn nacelle]

Was fun sometimes not fun sometimes angry many feelings

[sand wigeon]

LAN sounds just awful

[thorn nacelle]

Specially if u had to face no lifers on the opposite lane

[tawny sand]

man i hate my internet, my downloads keep failing and idk why

and it's so slow 😭

[sand wigeon]

I can’t imagine bothering with true LAN

The concept just doesn’t sound enjoyable in the modern day

[twilit mountain]

I've been into gaming since a child tbf, but I started on a collection of old and modern systems (at the time anyway). GBC, NGC, NES, original Xbox, PS2, PS3, NDS, you get the idea.

[sand wigeon]

Like, if I have all my friends over in the first place, why are we spending that time doing the same thing we can do together online?

[thorn nacelle]

Btw ps5 pro was worth it

[sand wigeon]

It was not

[thorn nacelle]

Maybe bit expensive but ya

[sand wigeon]

“A bit”

[blissful token]

Used to play Advanced War and thought it was cool at that time lol

[gilded elm]

Ah yeah, but like PC gaming I meant because Steam just made everything so convenient at that point in time. No more messing around with CDs and stuff lol

[sand wigeon]

I have

A CD copy of WoW

Still

[thorn nacelle]

2000s Windows XP

😎

[sand wigeon]

It was my father’s from when he was in college LMAO

[twilit mountain]

Ah, yeah. 2015 (I just checked my account, 10 year badge hit me in January), so certainly a decent year to start imo

[tawny sand]

i thought of building a windows xp machine to play old games i really like that are hard to get running now

[sand wigeon]

Just dual-boot XP wdym

You don’t need another system

[twilit mountain]

We also have I think three separate GBA copies of Golden Sun lol

[sand wigeon]

We do yes

Well, I do

They’re mine. But yes

[tawny sand]

architecture and hardware would be different no?

[twilit mountain]

Why? Idk. They just there.

[thorn nacelle]

Having rx5700xt ryzen 5 3600x 7 years now still runs 1080p-2k graphics on New games too. Till it colapses will build New one again. Reason bought console instead

[gilded elm]

Could probably even get away with playing older games in a VM if you configure all the hardware/device passthrough correctly

[sand wigeon]

I mean you can virtually change all of that

[twilit mountain]

I was using "we" as in like, in the house

[thorn nacelle]

Also saw people gaming with keyboard mouse on ps5 pro lol

[sand wigeon]

You can change the resolution of your monitor, restrict its Hz, etc

[sand wigeon]

What’s even the point then

[thorn nacelle]

Dunno how accurate is that tho and if does work on every game

[sand wigeon]

Just buy a prebuilt at that point

For like $300 more

[gilded elm]

Windows XP should run very smooth and fast in a VM on most modern gaming hardware.

[twilit mountain]

It's only for certain games

FF14 for example

[sand wigeon]

I know, it just seems absurd

Because people who can afford a PS5 Pro can afford a prebuilt PC

[thorn nacelle]

Well look

Ps5 pro costs 740euro

[tawny sand]

doesn't it depend mostly on what gpu you get? Cause if you want a card with a lot of vram and want to do nvidia for instance, that's pricey. Can do AMD though sure

[thorn nacelle]

To build New pc Costs 1.6-2k Euro average

Or more

[sand wigeon]

If you’re an idiot, sure

Good prebuilts rarely cost above €1.2K

[thorn nacelle]

....

I wont buy 1 gpu for 1k Euro and CPU for 100euro

[sand wigeon]

Unless you’re buying from high end retailers

[thorn nacelle]

Cause i know how to build pcs

[sand wigeon]

Cause they’ll jack up the price a lot

[thorn nacelle]

Did that before

Nvm

[sand wigeon]

But there are plenty of indie pc companies that sell prebuilts at mid-range for far cheaper

[sand wigeon]

Sure, but you aren’t buying parts in bulk, it’s one of the most expensive times ever in the PC industry

Buying in bulk cuts down on the prices a lot from the sellers side

https://www.zachstechturf.com/product-page/voidwalker-limited-edition-build-2

Here, $1.2K (cheaper in Euro’s) for a Ryzen 5 5600, RTX 4060 and 16GB of RAM (easily upgradeable)

Which is about comparable to a PS5 Pro.

[thorn nacelle]

First of All. I dont need New pc cause my 7years old selfbuild PC for first time rocks till today. Aka Stalker 2 2k graphics 120fps. I know what i buy and and which Part. First of u all u dont know what pc i have and u talk like u know

[tawny sand]

oh dang the card i bought last year is like 400 dollars more now that's wild

[thorn nacelle]

But instead u know shit

So ya

[gilded elm]

4060 is only 8GB VRAM, dunno how that compares to a PS5 Pro

I mean I don't know the PS5 Pro specs.

[sand wigeon]

Zanzil I don’t need to know what you have

[thorn nacelle]

Then dont talk

[sand wigeon]

Oh, he’s maaad

[thorn nacelle]

I am not mad just not going to Answer further cause make no sense. Also typing from phone

Not keyboard warrior sry

[gilded elm]

Apparently PS5 Pro has 16GB VRAM? Not sure

I only pointed it out because I know for a fact the 4060 has 8GB and that's a rather low amount of VRAM for 2025 especially when some games coming out these days can even use up that much at just 1440p

[thorn nacelle]

I dont need to buy whole Pc

[twilit mountain]

Consoles are a liiiittle bit throttled so that's an issue they've got. Also they get hot.

[thorn nacelle]

I need New motherboard CPU and gpu thats it

[tawny sand]

how useful would that additonal vram be though? Is it like a Xbox Series situation where they have to make sure games run on the lowest console?

[thorn nacelle]

Will do that in the next years

There is no rush to buy New pc

[sand wigeon]

The 4060 with 8GB’s is comparable to the PS5 Pro in performance

[thorn nacelle]

Still this what i have works perfect

I am not the average consumer what u think

[sand wigeon]

Buddy I’m talking about the purpose of buying a PS5 Pro instead of a prebuilt when a prebuilt is a little more expensive for something far more adaptable and long-lasting

[thorn nacelle]

4060 is trash

Compare to AMD gpus

[sand wigeon]

Not your personal experience

[thorn nacelle]

U see that u are cluless

And wanna give to me tips

[gilded elm]

VRAM performance aside, it's more about capacity in this case. The capacity to load more higher res textures. Some of today's games can use up that 8GB with just 1440p resolution textures.

[thorn nacelle]

[sand wigeon]

I’m not giving you tips

[gilded elm]

This is an area that the PS5 Pro would beat the 4060

[sand wigeon]

This conversation is not about you

[sand wigeon]

(Hi, I play 1440p, including with high res textures, and I have never had this issue)

[thorn nacelle]

Go check on youtube

[sand wigeon]

And I have a laptop RTX 3090

[thorn nacelle]

9080 vs 4000 Nvidia series

[sand wigeon]

With 8 gb vram

[sand wigeon]

Dude.

[thorn nacelle]

How bad getting destroyed

[gilded elm]

Yeah I would agree it's probably not a common issue, but it's definitely an area the PS5 Pro can beat the 4060, but more importantly, it also means the PS5 Pro can do 4k

[sand wigeon]

I am directly comparing to the prebuilt I linked.

[thorn nacelle]

Also AMD CPUs by miles best for gaming

[gilded elm]

But I personally don't give a shit about 4k

[sand wigeon]

Which has an 8gb vram 4060

Which is what Byte and I are discussing

[thorn nacelle]

I said build my own pc and still u keep saying something about prices and nvidia shit

[sand wigeon]

Mm, it definitely can, you’re right.

[thorn nacelle]

I dont buy nvidia

[gilded elm]

I agree for 1440p gaming, the 4060 is fine for almost every case.

[sand wigeon]

I don’t think you understand the conversation taking place

[gilded elm]

I would still choose to buy a PC over a PS5 Pro, because I don't care about 4k

[sand wigeon]

May I suggest rereading

[sand wigeon]

Mm, and a PC can do far more elsewhere, not just gaming

[twilit mountain]

Jesus, Zanzil. Stop crashing out for a gods damned second. Relax, dude. Nobody is coming at you.

[sand wigeon]

I just don’t see the point of buying a PS5 Pro instead of a computer for the average person, y’know?

[thorn nacelle]

Maybe

Anyway i am AMD User. Dont like Nvidia

[sand wigeon]

You can get prebuilts about the same for only a little more, even in how awful the tech prices are right now

And they’ll last far longer

[thorn nacelle]

Nvidia is for suggardaddys

[sand wigeon]

And if you can afford to be buying a PS5 Pro in the first place, you can probably afford the extra US$300

[sand wigeon]

We get it you’re a tribalist

[thorn nacelle]

Yes but 300 for CPU?

[sand wigeon]

What?

[thorn nacelle]

I dont understand

[sand wigeon]

No, it’s US$300 extra for the entire build

We know

Go click the link I sent

[thorn nacelle]

300 Euro pc build?

[sand wigeon]

We’re talking about that exact prebuilt

[gilded elm]

It's becoming less and less of a compelling reason, but the idea is that the console provides a consistent experience, there's no specific differences in hardware or software that can cause unpredicted issues like PC can. But this gap has been closing.

[sand wigeon]

No, it’s US$300 more than a PS5 Pro

Overall

[thorn nacelle]

Cool but i have pc already

[sand wigeon]

It’s not about you dude

[thorn nacelle]

Ok

[sand wigeon]

Yeah, that’s fair. I do like my consoles.

[thorn nacelle]

But why u compare ps5 pro with pc?

[sand wigeon]

Because I’m saying that for the average consumer I think getting a computer that can be used for many more things than just gaming for only a little extra is more worthwhile

[gilded elm]

The idea of just turning on a console and playing a game without worrying about installing the right software etc can be appealing to the super non-technical, I get it for sure

[thorn nacelle]

I am not 20years old anymore @sand wigeon

[sand wigeon]

What is this dude on about?

Am I going insane?

[thorn nacelle]

I wanna play in Sofa instead when i like and if i am in mood on PC etc

[sand wigeon]

You do know you can do with a computer…

[thorn nacelle]

Yes but i wanna buy console instead

[sand wigeon]

Steam Big Picture exists for a reason

And that’s fine

Do what you want

It’s not about you

[gilded elm]

I don't need to buy a console to play on my TV and sofa, that's just wasting money for me IMO

[thorn nacelle]

Ofc i do what i want. Its my money

[gilded elm]

I can just stream it 😄

[sand wigeon]

Okay Zanzil

[gilded elm]

Way cheaper ofc since I already have a PC

[twilit mountain]

I had consoles because I couldn't afford a PC, outside of that I only buy particular ones for specific things. Like, I have no reason to buy a PS5 or XSX, they don't provide me anything I am looking for (especially since I don't like playing from like a couch or anything like that). I have a Switch for playing stuff if I'm out of the house for long or like having a particularly bad pain day where I can't really get up.

[keen wind]

What in the main character

[sand wigeon]

Real tbh. Game streaming has come a long way

I also do work entirely dependent on a computer, though

[gilded elm]

I basically almost exclusively stream from my PC to my Steam Deck too

[sand wigeon]

And since that work isn’t done under a company, if I didn’t already have a computer, I’d be screwed

[twilit mountain]

Okay but typewriter would be sick. And also tedious as hell.

[sand wigeon]

So I am likely a little biased since I’m in a situation where I’m reliant on a personal computer

[tawny sand]

i'm still on 1080p, I have no reason to upgrade honestly. I think the recent steam survey showed most users were still on 1080p too? I'm not sure if that's right though

[sand wigeon]

While I would love to have one I’m not writing a book on that

Only letters

[twilit mountain]

Lol

WHy not

[sand wigeon]

Mm, but I think most people would upgrade to 1440p if they could

[twilit mountain]

You just have to rewrite everything for every edit

Totally doable

[sand wigeon]

But hardware prices have been insane for about four years now

[gilded elm]

1080 still a good experience, but from trying 1080, 1440 and 4k, I gotta say I much prefer 1440

[sand wigeon]

And only getting worse

While the world was still reeling from a global recession due to Covid

Nobody can afford to upgrade

[tawny sand]

I suppose so, I tried my friend's 1440p monitor cause he upgraded to 1080p and I personally didn't like how unwieldy it felt idk

maybe that's a weird issue

[twilit mountain]

I don't need all my blood!

[tawny sand]

i mean he upgraded to 4k

[sand wigeon]

I can’t say I’ve had that experience

But that could be something other than the resolution

It may be that they had a different panel type compared to what you use

And the difference was immediately noticeable

IPS, LED, OLED, for example

[tawny sand]

oh yeah maybe, i don't remember what panel it was

[thorn nacelle]

Sofa +4k TV gaming is by miles S tier.

[sand wigeon]

I don’t have the eyes nor space for this

[thorn nacelle]

Specially Oblivion remastered

[gilded elm]

All of those cheap 4k panels are going to be like TA or VN or something

[sand wigeon]

I don’t even own a couch lol

[thorn nacelle]

Sound is cool as fck

Graphics too

[sand wigeon]

Much less a 4K TV

[thorn nacelle]

So its gg

[sand wigeon]

I’d be really interested to try it though

It does seem quite relaxed

[thorn nacelle]

Sit 900days only in a chair by playing wow only

Its enough

Not to mention about arpgs

[sand wigeon]

I would never play WoW

I’m still sane!

(Check back in a year)

[thorn nacelle]

D2,d3,d4,Le,poe2,d2 lod,Titan quest etc

[sand wigeon]

We need better shortened names

[thorn nacelle]

No i dont play wow again

Thats it

[keen wind]

I've been using the same 1080p120 laptop with some extra ram and disk since 5 years ago, it can run all I personally care about as well as I care about, though lately it's mostly been running Overleaf and benchmarks

[tawny sand]

i have a 165 hz monitor

i feel like for me i care more about fps than resolution

[sand wigeon]

“D2” Diablo 2, Destiny 2, Dishonored 2, Doom 2, Ditanfall 2, Doverwatch 2, Dokami 2

There’s just so many sequels starting with D!

[twilit mountain]

Doom 2^2

[keen wind]

Diablo 2 and Destiny 2 do cause me a lot of second takes ngl

[sand wigeon]

Yeah those are the only two I occasionally have to dissect based on context

Since I’ve played so much Destiny 2

[tawny sand]

the dokami bet made me remember there's a new okami in the works

poggies

[sand wigeon]

I’m so excited

[thorn nacelle]

Stalker 2 is like escape from tarkov Single player Story only Mode lol

[sand wigeon]

No

It’s like Stalker lol

[thorn nacelle]

They did copy many thinks

[sand wigeon]

Escape from Tarkov is inspired by Stalker

[thorn nacelle]

Played both games

[sand wigeon]

Like. The original Stalker series

[thorn nacelle]

I see

[sand wigeon]

That’s the whole point

I’ve played all the Stalker games except Stalker 2, and extensive amounts of Tarkov

Both Tarkov and Stalker are also inspired by a book called The Roadside Picnic

Which also inspired Chernobylite, Metro and Disco Elysium

[tawny sand]

is chernobylite good?

i keep seeing it for sale and i think about it but i never pick it up for some reason

[thorn nacelle]

Only Stalker 2 played and Metro

[sand wigeon]

I enjoy it, but if you go in with the idea that it’s a combat game you’ll be sorely mistaken

It’s about avoiding combat

[thorn nacelle]

With 25 mods game is rocking

[tawny sand]

oh that's cool

[thorn nacelle]

[abstract karma]

Chernobylite is more about survival

[sand wigeon]

Killing people massively and negatively affects your character so you want to kill as few people as possible, it’s more about exploration and building up resources

[thorn nacelle]

Getting 120fps in the open World with 7years old Pc on 2k graphics lol

Mods ftw

[abstract karma]

Meanwhile me with laptop of locked intel 12th cpu series which can't be undervolted..

[twilit mountain]

This is why I struggle with these games. And Deus Ex as well. The game hands me a gun and my ape brain goes "OOO BULLET GO BANG" and forgets I'm supposed to be stealthy.

[sand wigeon]

Destiny players smh

[twilit mountain]

I was a Chappy main...

[sand wigeon]

I know…

I was a

Graviton Lance main? Am I reading that right? /s

[fierce moth]

https://x.com/PunchingCat/status/1916987289496092919
Hah... My heart is melted. Tooooooooo cute

[abstract karma]

why name is "punch cat" ?

[twilit mountain]

Nothin quite hits the dopamine in shooters for me like hitting someone between the eyes with a slug. It is just too good.

[sand wigeon]

Wanna try it on a deer?

But like the slug is. Tinier.

[coarse aurora]

i better get a million rune of havocs

[sand wigeon]

And pointier.

And is .223

[abstract karma]

then you need to be happy to have release games as some wizordium

[hot crown]

No Rest for the Wicked has released its first major EA patch.

Kinda makes me want to dive in. 🙂

[fierce moth]

I wonder should I play that

[hot crown]

Considering the fact that I've never even launched the game yet.

[sand wigeon]

No

[hot crown]

Might even consider using a controller.

[sand wigeon]

You wouldn’t like it Kirra

[hot crown]

Elaborate.

NRFTW is basically what ARPG would be if mixed with Souls-like.

[abstract karma]

that's the reason.. If you are not good with soul you can't really enjoyn NRFTW

[sand wigeon]

I don’t think Kirra would enjoy the slow-paced combat, real time based mechanics and exploration based on player skill

[hot crown]

Never hurts to actually try and see.

[sand wigeon]

They don’t have enough time to put into getting good enough to really enjoy the experience

That’s just my impression, though

[hot crown]

Good tone would be not imposing one's impression onto others. 🙂

[maiden widget]

No rest barely feels like an arpg to me, it's like 80-90% souls including pretty barren itemization

[gilded elm]

NRFTW is more Souls-like, very little ARPG.

[sand wigeon]

Shadow we’ve had this conversation before

And Kirra has stated these

As things that they wouldn’t like

[hot crown]

Not that anything has changed since then. 🙂

Again, it's good to have an opinion; it's NOT good to impose it onto others.

[blissful token]

yay another 1

[sand wigeon]

Kirra has literally said this

I laid out what the game played like and they detailed these as things they don’t think they would like

Despite how much they said they loved the art

[hot crown]

Btw, the point of my prior messages was literally that; sharing the news about the patch.

Nothing more.

[sand wigeon]

Yeah, we talked about it earlier

I’m happy its still powering through dev

[hot crown]

Moon is indie now so it should be easier for them to straighten up their dev pipeline.

I'm blindly guessing that PD had been doing some unnecessary meddling with them (or PD's dismantling itself, for that matter).

[sand wigeon]

I don’t think NRFTW is a very good game

But it’s still in EA

[hot crown]

It has potential, I think.

[sand wigeon]

So I’m being patient with it

[hot crown]

I can only assume this much because of Dammitt's efforts to create a toolkit for it, similar to GrimTools/LETools.

I mean, I wouldn't invest into something that does not have a potential if I were him.

So there's that.

[sand wigeon]

In case you don’t know, or for other people who don’t, those tools are created for nearly every big name Souls-like almost off release

It doesn’t say much

But! Since it’s from a smaller person working on it

It relays personal investment

Rather than. Like. Fextralife making another generic one

[hot crown]

You do know Dammitt, don't you.

[sand wigeon]

No

Not sure it really matters

[hot crown]

It does. LETools and GrimTools are made by him alone.

[fierce moth]

The difficulty of killing a boss in no rest for the wicked is as like as the tornado bird in poe 2 or uber aberroth in le and it last for a long time?

[sand wigeon]

Yeah

[hot crown]

And he's been around for ages now.

[sand wigeon]

That doesn’t really affect my statement

It’s not made by some big for-profit corp, so it relays personal investment instead of just being another generic build planner

[hot crown]

If I have some time to boot up after the patch and do a trial run, I think I'll be able to tell.

[sand wigeon]

Both harder and easier

In different ways

[hot crown]

Honestly, Hallow, I think we've gone off on a wiiiiild tangent here.

[sand wigeon]

NRFTW relies a lot more on your moment-to-moment skill, but you can push through with a bad gear or bad build

Whereas LE is more about your planning

And your build and items

Than it is your moment-to-moment skill

Both are important in each game, but each one emphasizes a different thing

In NRFTW, your build supplements your skill. In LE, your skill supplements your build.

[gilded elm]

Basically the game is not really about gear. It's about your ability to learn fights. You will 100% die to bosses several times, and getting better gear usually isn't the deciding factor in whether you can kill a boss.

[sand wigeon]

Mm.

[fierce moth]

Do this game more friendly for caster fans after the update?

[thorn nacelle]

People trash Talked that game so much

[maiden widget]

nice try we are both ancient!

[thorn nacelle]

Ancient lol

[maiden widget]

d2 has one thing over d4 - the item chase and the potential cool shit you get is way more interesting

[gilded elm]

100% it has the chase no doubt, and they actually felt more meaningful. Although runewords just kinda ruined D2 for me

[thorn nacelle]

Maybe in the next 25 years

People noticed how many decades d2 was ahead

[gilded elm]

I actually think D4 did runewords way better than D2 did

[maiden widget]

if i could pick i'd do d4 for coop and pd2 for sp/grinding

[sand wigeon]

See I enjoyed D4 more than I ever did D2

Because I play for the story!

[thorn nacelle]

Already planning to play D2 Lod New season

Cause Blizzard cant make good games

[twilit mountain]

D2 has a few cool raw chase items, but a lot of the chase in it ended up boiling down to the big HRs and that was kinda lame imo.

[sand wigeon]

Also D4 is still the best feeling ARPG I’ve played

The only ARPG that has made DOT actually feel good

[gilded elm]

I think Blizzard makes "good" games fine, but they aren't really making "great" games, like they aren't innovating any genre.

[thorn nacelle]

Pd2 season yep. Imagine took them 25 years to fix Barbarian aka cleave atks

[sand wigeon]

And with such small changes, too

[thorn nacelle]

Dunno why arpgs suck so hard nowdays really

[sand wigeon]

Like being able to see accumulated DOT damage on the healthbar

[twilit mountain]

It's a bit of the consequence of being so large now

[fierce moth]

checked out the twitch page, seems that weapons I get is randomly and all of streamers doing ranged or melee attack

[sand wigeon]

Because you’re old and have rose-tinted glasses and don’t like the new, young things, I’d guess

[thorn nacelle]

Poe 2 has no idea what melee is... they have 15 years arpg experience where kekw

[sand wigeon]

Well PoE2 does suck yeah

[thorn nacelle]

Nah just New generation is clueless as fck

[sand wigeon]

But TQ2 trial was good

D4 is good

[gilded elm]

Yeah, they just don't take risks anymore. Losing money on an idea is anathema to them. Both GGG and EHG for example are the opposite, they're willing to try out new and crazy ideas even if there's a high chance of failure.

[sand wigeon]

People, for the most part, love this new LE season

[maiden widget]

its an insanely good experience minus some patching in eu prime time

[sand wigeon]

Aye

[thorn nacelle]

Why its so hard in 2025 to have 1 good arpg which as a melee enjoyer play only Pure melee build?

[sand wigeon]

The new TLI season is good apparently

[sand wigeon]

…Diablo 4?

Is right there

Melee is awesome in that game

[thorn nacelle]

Poe 2 is like Caster event

[maiden widget]

i never really got into TLI, the campaign was tuned so easy that i lost all interest, the mobile gamey ping all the ui elements did the rest for me

[thorn nacelle]

LE has elements from Poe

[twilit mountain]

TLI is either you like it or you don't. I personally find it pretty good, it's casual and enjoyable, good break from the games I go way too hard in.

[thorn nacelle]

And d2 ofc

[gilded elm]

Though to be fair, once your build is clearing an entire screen, can you really call it "melee" just because it has a melee tag in the build haha

[thorn nacelle]

Yes lame

Dual wield zugzug machine

[sand wigeon]

Depends on the build I think

[gilded elm]

But that is just a natural evolution of the gameplay in this genre.

[sand wigeon]

Like I play primarily a bleed barb

[thorn nacelle]

Only in wow had this feeling or Elder ring thats it

[sand wigeon]

And I’d say yes

I build up bleed on packs with my basic attack and burst them all at once

[thorn nacelle]

....bleed barb is thorns season 3 meta

Press 1 button

[sand wigeon]

I didn’t play it in season 3

[thorn nacelle]

Amazing

[sand wigeon]

I played it in season one and two

[thorn nacelle]

I did tho

[sand wigeon]

Okay?

[thorn nacelle]

S4 meta was that

[sand wigeon]

Okay

[maiden widget]

theres more than 1 build per class

[sand wigeon]

Yeah

[thorn nacelle]

S3 was pumping

[sand wigeon]

It sounds like I did a different bleed barb anyway

[thorn nacelle]

S3 bleed barb was pvp meta

[sand wigeon]

How was thorns utilized?

Because I didn’t use thorns

[thorn nacelle]

And s4 become pve meta

Spam bash till no tomorrow

Thats not melee

[sand wigeon]

How was thorns important for the build?

[gilded elm]

Thorns barb looked scuffed when I last saw. Because there are situations where you basically could do 0 damage since you don't get hit or the boss doesn't summon adds to hit you lol

[maiden widget]

bleed bash in s4 was miles ahead of thorns iirc

[thorn nacelle]

Thorns doesnt work in d4

[sand wigeon]

Jeez, that does sound scuffed

[thorn nacelle]

Dunno if they fix it

[sand wigeon]

I used uhh

[maiden widget]

thorns was really ass to play with finishing for that big 200% multi

[sand wigeon]

I think rend is the skill name

[thorn nacelle]

Specially vs Bosses

[sand wigeon]

To buildup insane DOT stacks

And them I’d burst them with erupt or whatever

And it would deal high AOE damage and also burst nearby enemies

[thorn nacelle]

Was jumping like an idiot same Spot for 7minutes till got 1 shot at 5% of the Boss fight. Amazing arpg quality after 24years in the market

Le is same like poe 2

1 shot mechanics endgame

[sand wigeon]

We get it you’re sad and hate every game ever (except Diablo 2 of course)

[thorn nacelle]

Dunno if got fixed nowdays

[maiden widget]

as i said you coulvde done bleed bash and have a better build and your click every single mob exp

[thorn nacelle]

Both clones from poe 1 and d2

[sand wigeon]

Is this at me?

Just checking before I respond

[maiden widget]

no zanzil

[sand wigeon]

Okey

[thorn nacelle]

But now its season 8 they said many thinks

Try to boost difficulty of the game

And less 1 shots

Actually do their job

[twilit mountain]

Christ you are actually miserable.

[gilded elm]

D4 just seems like they're going through a bit of an identity crisis. Still trying to figure out its audience.

[sand wigeon]

This dude cannot have fun

[maiden widget]

not too keen on the new season, LE still too fun personally

[fierce moth]

🫠 I hope a demo available for no rest for the wicked... No idea can I accept its gameplay at all

[gilded elm]

IMO D4 should stick to the path of attracting the opposite audience as PoE2, the kind of people who just want to play more casually.

There's room for that kind of game, clearly.

[sand wigeon]

Mm, people like to have fun

Instead of playing a bad game-

(Obligatory PoE2 insult)

[gilded elm]

Being easy to pick up and jump into is IMO one of D4's biggest strengths and they should stick to that for sure.

[sand wigeon]

Easy to pick up, but still gets complicated in the endgame

Good balance IMO

[twilit mountain]

Aye. I like having options too, as someone who has been playing the genre for a good while now I don't want every game to be PoE or D2, I like that different games have different levels of commitment to them and different feels. I'm cool with them having more or less depth to them because sometimes I want something on that extreme end and sometimes I want something on the low end. Flavor makes things worthwhile.

[sand wigeon]

It's like. If I ate Santa Fe chicken every single night, even when I ordered something else, I wouldn't like Santa Fe chicken anymore.

[gilded elm]

Yeah, that's basically it. Not just looking for a replacement ARPG, but also more variety and choices of ARPG.

[fierce moth]

are you a fan of no rest for the wicked? Why?

[thorn nacelle]

Yes very miserable indeed. Imagine expecting to have 1 good arpg game to play

Huge Misery levels

[gilded elm]

I'm not really a fan. I like Souls-like, I like ARPG, but I don't really like games that try to do both.

At least, I haven't seen a game that looked appealing which was both Souls-like and ARPG.

[fierce moth]

😂 Wait, so you don't like poe 2's gameplay?

[twilit mountain]

This is why you're miserable, dude. Because there are good ones. A lot of them actually. But because they don't cater to your exact wants you write them off like an unadaptable boomer.

[gilded elm]

Nope. I quit 0.2 on the first day.

[maiden widget]

forced myself to finish t15s this time after finding mapping in 0.1 boring - just as boring to me

guess i am not poe2s audience

[gilded elm]

The vision

[maiden widget]

campaign a1-a2 is fun then its just misery for me

[abstract karma]

Soul-like ARPG where main point is gambling isn't ARPG neither soul-like one.. So i dont wonder most ppl dont like PoE 2 at all 😄

[fierce moth]

oh main point... what the main point in no rest for the wicked is?

[gilded elm]

Yeah PoE2 has its own problems separate from genre, but there's enough overlap with Souls-like that I think is responsible for some of its (IMO) poor decisions.

[twilit mountain]

PoE2 is in such a weird state for me. I despise the initial run through the acts. Cruel is passable. And maps could be fun to me if they were actually balanced. Beyond that, we're just not allowed to build which really kills my motivation to play the game. Yet the combat feel is impeccable and admittedly their skill design is great (numbers wise they're terrible with it, but functionally they're all at least cool). I just don't know what they can really do to make it stick.

[thorn nacelle]

His 15 years old Vision was to nerf whole game doesnt matter who was broken or not.😅

Whole game is based in 1 defensive layer -Energy shield

[hot crown]

hmm?

[gilded elm]

Absolutely, the power fantasy feels like it simply doesn't exist in PoE2.

[thorn nacelle]

Was reading rare comments on that forum

[maiden widget]

the worst part in poe2 is picking a bad skill - then the souls boys come out and tell you its a skill issue instead of still bad beta balancing

[thorn nacelle]

Game was fun but assume indie company

[hot crown]

Go on. 🙂

[thorn nacelle]

I saw u typing there one day..👀 😎

[abstract karma]

All what PoE 2 needed to done was basicalyl hinted in first release

• Slow down zoom of PoE 1 with progressive increasing curve till you get bored by zoom zoom in edngame..

Then they needed just tweak and improve progression curve in acts to be able push up new players
Next they could just balance/improve and focus on diversity and as soon on

Neither that was accomplished in 0.0.2

[hot crown]

(speaking of indie company; EHG and Crate are indies as well, yet both LE and GD are great 🙂 )

[thorn nacelle]

Yes i mean

People trash talk everythink okay

[hot crown]

True. 🙂

[thorn nacelle]

But some games are not like ggg or blizzard

Ggg got tons of money

[hot crown]

"tencent budget" and a "vision" xD

[thorn nacelle]

Like 8-10 had 500 Euro hideout bro

[hot crown]

Double kek.

[thorn nacelle]

[abstract karma]

LE is supported by Tencent too to

tho*

[maiden widget]

EHG is also kinda big by now, which is cool

[thorn nacelle]

Haha 500 euro Hideout

And those Devs are really smart

When it comes to milking

[abstract karma]

better than companies in MMORPG'S from east

[hot crown]

The only "smart" aspect, huh.

Based on what I keep seeing about both PoEs.

That being sanic zoomies in poe1, fktitude of clunk in poe2, and excessively convoluted economy in both, among other things (if I'm not mistaken anyway).

Then again, I've long quit poe1 and haven't even touched poe2 so I'm not really in any position to say anything.

[abstract karma]

Problem of PoE trading system is that without it aka SSF you have a little ways to progress.. (heavily seen in PoE 2) if you are not streamer with tons of time

[hot crown]

Too invasive?

[blissful token]

@fierce moth

HA. HA. HA

no wonder my smelter not oneshotting them

[twilit mountain]

???? We were supposed to be able to hit the tentacles

[blissful token]

IKR!!!

WOTTTT?

[thorn nacelle]

Spend 10 minutes in poe and 750hours in poe 2. When i say smart i dont mean it like this... basically they are stupid but smart only in microtransactions due guilds and more. Smart Devs dont risk like this.

Nobody asked them that we are forced to play Lich or any other Broken caster build in order to survive their broken endgame mechanics.Unoptimized money grab was this Beta release

Cause poor players looking for something good and always fell into this cheap bait.

[fierce moth]

Ok, My problem is solved.
I'm struggling with will I get any influence by creating fan arts and which concept should I create if I plan to do one.
Check out their twitter account and subreddit, they're what I know:

1. Their official account never touch any fan art contents
2. Their subreddit isn't popular

wow but the screenshot is wonderful.

[thorn nacelle]

I vote for Kirra

[desert jasper]

Wait, there were tentacles?

[thorn nacelle]

They do release a game in 2025 with trade System from 2000s. That says everythink

Wish had money to release also an arpg game just for the grabs😂

[fierce moth]

Fine, I keep looking for another games to gain my influence by my fan art. Skip this one

[hot crown]

LOL

[thorn nacelle]

Kirra the influencer 😎

[hot crown]

Figured as much.

[thorn nacelle]

Dont Touch it

[fierce moth]

But this screenshot is a nice inspiration for a new personal work 🤔

[thorn nacelle]

Till 2030

Dunno if its 5years enough time to fix their game

The Biggest joke was 80% finished product

[fierce moth]

I never imagine... This boss... is buggy I suppose it supposed to be hard like that

[hot crown]

Wasn't going to either way, if we're talking poe2 😄

[thorn nacelle]

Servers are like LE 1year ago double worse

And ggg if u Google is moster company

Means they milk so hard

Getting Dc each 10 minutes😅

[hot crown]

...bruh.

[thorn nacelle]

Atleast campaign was fun at release specially warrior was like dark souls Mode but ya thats it

Its so hard to think like a player and build a game it seems

[hot crown]

And they have the audacity to throw out seasonal content during early access of all times and set the release date in such a manner it directly interferes with their competitors (cough-cough, LE's 1.2 release date).

[thorn nacelle]

Bro servers was broken since day 1 at season 2

[hot crown]

Like, bruh.

[thorn nacelle]

But still cosmetics are on fire

Like 99% same Story how d4 was

This is so funny

[fierce moth]

sorry, never.

[hot crown]

At the same time LE's 1.2 release window appears to have been smooth to the point of being called night-and-day compared to 1.0 and even 1.1.

[thorn nacelle]

In my Job if i fail 1-3 times thats it.. i am fired

Seems those people got used to it to be bad

[hot crown]

To be fair, EHG has been backstabbed HARD very shortly before 1.0's release.

By their own backend providers no less.

[thorn nacelle]

Ehg atleast Listens the playerbase

[hot crown]

True.

[thorn nacelle]

Cause most of em are gamers too

[hot crown]

Improved the experience while suffering from moderate packet loss, which often manifested as desynching and disconnections.
Speaking of, btw.

I SINCERELY HOPE IT HELPS

[thorn nacelle]

No idea what happend with LE tbh had long time break

[hot crown]

Because I've been losing connection completely randomly.

[thorn nacelle]

But when game had issues i wasnt mad cause i know this company isnt Blizzard or GGG.

[hot crown]

EHG is one of those studios which are the definition of "by gamers, for gamers".

[thorn nacelle]

But when it comes to d4 or poe 2 no cant be soft with those milkers

[hot crown]

Blizz ain't crap for the last several years. They've long outstayed their own welcome, imo.

[thorn nacelle]

Spend so much money in poe 2 rip

First time ever and last

Was trading with poe 1 players

[hot crown]

cant be soft with those milkers
Now watch this line taken out of context. 😄

[thorn nacelle]

Heard people spend over 3-5k Euro on cosmetics

Thats brutal rofl

[hot crown]

That's what I love English for xD

[thorn nacelle]

Not to mention their rpg loot System is so bad

Playing arpg game which has no loot😅

[thorn nacelle]

Games like d2 will never exist in the market thats the only sure think. And if any arpg comes near to that lvl will be many years later. LE is in a good road time will tell

[gilded elm]

Gotta disagree with ya there. LE is, IMO, 100x a better game than D2 ever was.

[thorn nacelle]

25 years later still comes close it

Even clone from it

The Auction hause is superior in LE

[blissful token]

🤔

[gilded elm]

Everything in LE is superior to D2 except story and cutscenes, IMO.

[fierce moth]

The trouble for me is how to promote my art always.
Do fan arts is the only way I think I can get more influence but select which game always a big issue.

I want to copy that screenshot by my art style actually but I wonder will any potential copyright issues if I just said this is my work...

oh maybe I should ask them

[tawny sand]

nox is better than d2

[thorn nacelle]

Soundtracks?

Haha

Even poe 2 copy d2 Soundtracks was nostalgia bait

The most funny Part was

[gilded elm]

I don't really grade on that because I don't play with game music on in ARPGs. I play my own music

[thorn nacelle]

Ggg wanted to make Javazon in poe 2

They failed so hard

Go play d2 nub and See what Amazon means

Mr.visionary Jonathan

They patched this class 6 times in order to be similar like Javazon still not even close

Thats what happends if u copy only and not create New thinks instead

D2 soundtrack specially Uber music s tier

[abstract karma]

as weird it sounds isn't nox more like old school Doom with RPG elements and fantasy theme ?

[hot crown]

"It haunts us." - EHG
They want to redo it.

[tawny sand]

i have no idea i'm just saying stuff

[thorn nacelle]

https://youtu.be/2R9Or-8Qys0?si=mGQudw3fOQTiGTk5

Just a remix

[hot crown]

The closest to that in LE would be FG xD

[gilded elm]

Yeah I bet. That said, story and cutscenes are secondary to most ARPG players but yeah it's great that's something they're very conscious of.

[thorn nacelle]

When u visit act 1 in poe 2 plays d2 soundtrack do u know why?

😂

And why not in act 3 instead

[hot crown]

I mean, personally, I'm down for a good story since I'm an avid reader (and often tend to voice out the dialogue lines for myself as a means of practicing EN speech).

Based on my HSR story presentation "experience", I'd be happy if EHG streamlined theirs.

[thorn nacelle]

Its sad tbh

After so many years..

[abstract karma]

another fail of younger generation..

Lore, questions are secondary we just want "Action and smash buttons"..

[gilded elm]

I mean, I'm a millennial so I don't really know if I'd be considered among the "younger generation" of gamers.

I think I'd be considered among the older generation of gamers.

[abstract karma]

nah that was said generally

[hot crown]

"Gamers today don't want all this. All they want is to shoot things!" - L.o.G., "Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts"

[gilded elm]

I also view story and cutscenes as secondary to ARPGs, as an older gamer.

So it's hard for me to see this as a generational thing.

[abstract karma]

i'm also older generation more or less..

I grew up on old school rpgs and first mmorpgs.. But without lore, questions or any immersion i just find current games mostly boring..

[gilded elm]

I play ARPGs for hack and slash, loot. Not really for story.

[tawny sand]

there's only a few times lore in games grabs me tbh, or i find interesting, most of the time i don't care

i'm also a millenial

[maiden widget]

even the arpgs that tried to make stories nosedived badly, looking at d4s mess of a story for example

[hot crown]

← 37yo here, story and immersion are just as good for me as the gameplay itself. I much prefer the game I'm playing to not be hollow and devoid of any semblance of engagement.

[maiden widget]

i'd rather read a book and have a good story over being forced into boring quests

[thorn nacelle]

Played 4 years offline d2r solo. 23 years old arpg had better rng drops than Poe 2 and also LE too

[abstract karma]

ARPG should be created like this:
Firs time immersion for game, to know wtf you are playing
second to Xth run just have fine gameplay loop

Then i'm happy with arpg

[thorn nacelle]

LE has the factions to Balance out

Poe is just Casino simulator

RMT Party

[maiden widget]

didnt touch d2r in years cos its boring and stale by now

they didnt even try to rebalance stuff

[gilded elm]

I typically will play a different genre of games for story or yeah books/audiobooks. ARPG to me is just a game about power fantasy, loot, build progression etc.

[thorn nacelle]

In d2 with out Terror zones try naked to progress from nightmare to hell and no Paladin or necro. Javazon vs immunities

0 runewords nothing

[maiden widget]

ok so the perfect arpg isnt so perfect after all

[abstract karma]

PoE 1 is basically 15 years of running casino.. where their hided by all their leagues these "casino elements"
When they started PoE 2 they started from core - again you have visible Casino elements 😄

[thorn nacelle]

D2 was close to perfect

If Blizzard was smart and instead Focus on d2

They do released d3 d4

[maiden widget]

yet you need custom rules like no runewords no necro no paladin

🤷

[thorn nacelle]

Nah i am trying to say that game was hard based how u play it right

Breakpoints i liked it a lot

[gilded elm]

D4 at launch was actually closer to being like D2 than current D4 is. They had a whole ass interview about D4's failed launch and it being due to the fact that they tried to make it more like D2. The problem there is, nobody who actually likes D2's grind.

Not in 2025.

[thorn nacelle]

LE Has crafting

[gilded elm]

Or 2023, at the time

[thorn nacelle]

D2 has crafting

Poe doesnt have crafting

Thats Casino mods looking for

3 Prefix 3 suffix. And all are random

Gl making 1 decent item

Reason when poe 2 got released rmt sites was on fire

Bot farms and lets go lol

[maiden widget]

d4 at launch was closer to an mmorpg in terms of boring items than d2 tbf

poe has as much if not more crafting than d2s casino cube recipes

[topaz saddle]

anyone got a good movie to watch?

[gilded elm]

Well mainly the idea of progression in D4 was supposed to feel like D2

And it did feel awfully grindy

[maiden widget]

yeah meant to, didn't though

[abstract karma]

then what is your opinion on Titan Quest and Grim Dawn ?

[thorn nacelle]

Yes its also rng but u know atleast u will get this runeword

U can equip it and even the rolls are terrible u can progress

[gilded elm]

Yeah they took the worst parts from D2 and left out a lot of good stuff, for sure. It was an unrewarding grind.

I think they even referenced The Holy Grail lmao

[thorn nacelle]

Grim dawn played a bit but cant say didnt Touch any endgame

Titan quest very little too

[gilded elm]

It's like catering to the worst part of the game's audience.

[thorn nacelle]

Holy Grail is Hardcore rofl

[maiden widget]

yeah it was pretty cringe - yet there still arent holy grail items

[abstract karma]

Grimd dawn is long yea but still have crafting and gambling drops but i've never felt i had struggel within some builds.. just min/max in end

[maiden widget]

the leadership lack knowledge of why people play arpgs for longer

[twilit mountain]

Lmao. Actually shit at the game then. I make multiple 6 T1 items with the exact mods I want every league. Maybe stop talking dude, you don't know what you're on about.

[abstract karma]

how long it takes you ?

[undone bison]

Then show how many amulets you picked up.

[twilit mountain]

I mean, not long really. I have my main character usually kitted to the teeth in under a week. I had a body armor on valued at a minimum of half a mirror at the end of week two for Settlers. I downed every single Uber before then even. I hit 40/40. I had like 600d raw in stash in week three. I'm nowhere near the best at the game but I'm good enough to know that it isn't a "casino", that's just hilariously uninformed and/or low skill mentality.

[sand wigeon]

Me when my crafting fails because I don’t know how to craft

[gilded elm]

PoE1 crafting is incredibly powerful, it's just also incredibly knowledge-gated.

[maiden widget]

well it is a casino if you're not much into the market if you want 6xt1 but if you compare crafting between poe and d2 you can make better shit in poe with just fractured base + essence + bench

over just praying your caster amulet rolls anything besides the garuanteed fcr

[abstract karma]

Now how many hours per day you playing..
Did you use starter meta ?

[maiden widget]

man i snatched up astral ascent at 1,40€ this game is amazing

[twilit mountain]

Oml are we really vetting me for calling out someone being objectively wrong?

[sand wigeon]

She plays 25 hours a day and only plays lightning strike duh

[abstract karma]

Nah i just want to see the game from point of normal mortal gamer..
Ppl want to play how they liked but PoE most likely dont allow that if you want to run game "effectively"

[maiden widget]

i kinda thought its a classic metroidvania but its more of a roguelite and i enjoy it

also has amazing art

[sand wigeon]

Damn that character is hot

LMAO

[twilit mountain]

I play league start a lot. I'm also disabled and unemployed, so I have a lot of free time.
I also still know people who play like dad gamer levels of time (maybe 10-15 hours a week) and still 40/40 in a couple of weeks. It isn't a difference of "normal mortal gamer" and "no-lifer", it's a difference of knowing wtf you're doing and talking about, and talking out your ass

[sand wigeon]

Have you tried being enabled and reemployed

It’s like a light switch, right?

[twilit mountain]

Yes, it made it worse

[sand wigeon]

Damn

[gilded elm]

Now, to be fair, there is a lot to learn in PoE1 so it does require that upfront time investment. But yeah, PoE1 crafting can be very deterministic if you know the ins and outs of every league crafting mechanic.

[topaz saddle]

still need something to watch while the half an hour of rp plays out

[twilit mountain]

Sure. But if you don't put in the time to learn it and then pop off on how it's just a casino and bad and the game is worse than a 20+ year old game, maybe you're not qualified to talk about it. Y'know?

[maiden widget]

the worst part is the comparison of runewords to crafting

[gilded elm]

Yeah definitely, refusing to learn and saying it's bad is obviously kind of a "skill issue" thing.

I think PoE1 has some really great crafting systems overall.

But LE does make crafting more accessible to a broader audience with less time investment

[twilit mountain]

If they just port scours/alts to PoE2 the crafting there will be so much better.... their obsession with making white bases "valuable" is biting them in the ass

[sand wigeon]

The best ARPG crafting system is Vintage Story

What do you mean it’s not an ARPG?

[maiden widget]

alts and bench would be good adds

everything is an arpg - anything can be defined as action and roleplaying!

[gilded elm]

I don't understand why PoE2 didn't launch with more league crafting mechanics. I mean I understand not wanting alts and scours, that's fair IMO. I just don't know why the game only launched with currency crafting.

The lack of alts and scours would be felt less if there were other, more accessible crafting mechanics. Maybe if omens weren't so rare etc.

[twilit mountain]

It launched with Expedition too. They just kinda neutered it.

[gilded elm]

Same with essences

[sand wigeon]

Because PoE2 is directed by a guy who thinks everyone wants to play a game that hates you

[maiden widget]

its weird how they only ported existing things or repackaged existing things like ghosts as new

like at least give me something new inbetween porting stuff

[twilit mountain]

It is kinda shocking isn't it?

[sand wigeon]

This is because PoE2 wasn’t meant to be a sequel lol

[maiden widget]

not really - ive personally given up on ggg, ill take new poe1 content but don't expect anything from them

[twilit mountain]

We haven't seen anything new, just PoE1 stuff with a new coat of (chipped) paint to it

[sand wigeon]

It was meant to just be a massive overhaul to PoE1 but they realized they could make a lot of money by selling an unfinished product for $30

[twilit mountain]

Man that was funnier in my head

[gilded elm]

PoE2 might've been a better game, for everyone, if it wasn't called Path of Exile

[sand wigeon]

Real!

It has legitimately ruined so much of PoE1’s story

[twilit mountain]

I really wish they hadn't split off from the initial pitch of being a humongous PoE1 revamp. It seems like doing that resulted in ditching so much of the early stuff they showed us before they announced the shift.

[fierce moth]

wow real life's quality improvement. EHG know adding controller support for their stash finally

I must switch to my mouse to find a item in my stash before

[maiden widget]

in retrospect i am extremely glad they split off seeing how jonathan basically doesnt even follow poe1 enhancements

[twilit mountain]

That is probably fair, but he wasn't heading development fully back then was he? I'm not super invested in who works where in GGG

[maiden widget]

probably not but you should at least coordinate what each game dev group does a bit so you can prevent developing things twice

[desert jasper]

But coordinating takes time & effort

[celest wagon]

I like mustard.

[sand wigeon]

You must hate ketchup! How dare you!

[twilit mountain]

Average Tumblr argument:

[sand wigeon]

Real.

“I’m a lesbian”
“Why do you hate men”

[celest wagon]

I like the ketchup mechanic for alt chars

[sand wigeon]

Catch up

Not

Ketchup

[celest wagon]

i can't hear the difference honestly

[twilit mountain]

There isn't much of one for a lot of English speakers

Some enunciate the "a" in catch more, but not overwhelmingly

[sand wigeon]

The difference is found it context

Catch up mechanics are called that because you’re catching up

[twilit mountain]

Yes but this was a joke about pronunciation I'm pretty sure

[sand wigeon]

Yeah

Some dialects of English says “kech,” other says “quesh,” and some say “cach”

(In my accent it’d be kech)

[gilded elm]

My god what a beautiful game

[ebon meadow]

i am not sure what i am looking at but the graphics are fing crazy

[fierce moth]

he playing the most popular JRPG

[ebon meadow]

rendering distance though , it can be better

its crazy detail clap to artists

and we l never get the hair right neither its so dificult

i still see mesh

[fierce moth]

I see how powerful false temple + lostwood holly after experienced that today...Amazing pace for both of grinding favour and embers.

[old coral]

@meager stirrup why are you talking like that in suggestions, its really weird

[vapid junco]

corruption edging echo placement

[thorn nacelle]

?

[desert jasper]

It's not jrpg.

[abstract karma]

it's crpg based on action/reaction turn based system

[desert jasper]

What's the "c" in crpg?

[abstract karma]

classic

at least for me

[desert jasper]

Ah, I see

[abstract karma]

JRPG should be Japan which yea expedition 33 isn't since it was made in west/eu studio

[desert jasper]

Isn't it a French group?

Like at least 1 former ubisoft dev and then others

[twilit mountain]

Nub you're aware that JRPG refers to a style of game, not just "RPG from Japan" right?

[desert jasper]

Let me pretend to be tone deaf

[abstract karma]

Dont really care about mistakes of others defitions

Everything is now just about "simplicity" >.>

[twilit mountain]

Wha? Dude this is industry terminology for like 20+ years

[junior oyster]

There is only diablo-like

[desert jasper]

Nah, not diablo-like
we only got "indie binding of isaac like with souls like mechanics and a bit of diablo"

[abstract karma]

Yea and try to guess when was JRPG mistook for first time to be used on something more than Japan role playing games

[desert jasper]

and dodge roll

[abstract karma]

That's same as somebody these days calling P2C basically P2W.. wrong usage of definition P2W

[twilit mountain]

Ugh, gods you're one of those.