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[gilded elm]

Well yeah, both could be true as well haha

[crisp onyx]

except maybe some very small teams sub 5 men

now we can argue if its spoiling or it should be norm

[gilded elm]

It's just one of those things that never should have made it past whoever is vetting this stuff.

[crisp onyx]

but thats another question

[gilded elm]

I bet Jonathan wrote this himself, actually.

He does that, doesn't he?

[sweet blade]

Mm, dunno, unverifiable.

[gilded elm]

I vaguely recall that he actually writes a lot of these announcement posts himself.

[crisp onyx]

i dont know but it sure sounds like it

[desert jasper]

He seems like the type of guy to write that kind of thing

[sweet blade]

I'm almost annoyed that Zizaran is working publicly on his interview questions for GGG. If they know the questions, they can work on 'responses' to them.

[maiden widget]

reminds me of chris' weird takes back in the days

[gilded elm]

Is he? Working with viewers to brainstorm questions, I assume. But yeah, not ideal.

[crisp onyx]

bold of you to assume those questions would have any bite anyway

[desert jasper]

half expecting the interview with zizaran to be gaslight central

[sweet blade]

They have less chance if they know it's coming. 🙂

[candid sage]

this is pretty standard in podcasts

with devs

[gilded elm]

I just feel like we're a bit beyond pulling punches with GGG after that update announcement.

[sweet blade]

Though how hard it is to figure out 'dude, seriously, wtf' is... heh.

[gilded elm]

We shouldn't be giving them soft balls.

[crisp onyx]

i mean if they say 'haha hard question, next' or give non-answer thats it

[gilded elm]

He needs to ask some hard questions IMO

[sweet blade]

For his own brand, if nothing else.

[crisp onyx]

he relies on them heavily

he just cant bite

[sweet blade]

He relies on GGG for content, yes, but he relies on his viewers for money. Unless GGG directly subsidizes him, he has to walk a tightrope.

[maiden widget]

i mean nothing stops them from "we'll take that question with us and will respond in more detail" sadly

[gilded elm]

That's still better than not asking the question at all, at least.

[maiden widget]

yeah definitely but thats why i dont think it matters if the questions are crowd sourced or not

[crisp onyx]

viewers are easier to feed dunce than ggg

[sweet blade]

I mean, when the Ziggy interview after patch notes asked about armor and the devs more or less admitted it wasn't even on their radar... big yikes.

[crisp onyx]

they are loyal to begin with

[sweet blade]

Mm, we can't forget the definition of customer satisfaction.

[gilded elm]

You ultimately can't force people to have fun. Ziz can stream PoE2 all he wants but viewers who don't enjoy the content or the game will eventually bounce.

It's the same thing as when single-game streamers try to do variety streams, their entire viewership for that stream effectively tanks.

Some streamers are more personality, some are more game combined with personality. Pretty sure Ziz actually does fine with variety himself, he doesn't have to rely on GGG as far as I know.

[sweet blade]

It'd be really nice if Zizaran shows up with receipts and points out to GGG how much money he's losing by streaming PoE2 compared to, say, Phrecia.

[crisp onyx]

not sure, its pretty fun watch streamers suffer

not so fun to play yourself

kinda like 'getting over it'

[gilded elm]

Yeah it really depends on the streamer. Some streamers are carried by their personality alone.

But not all streamers can survive on their personality. Ziz can, I'm sure. He can drop PoE and still be a popular streamer I'm fairly sure of that.

Would he be inconvenienced? Probably

[crisp onyx]

pretty sure lion's part of his income is still poe

especially new leagues

when all the hype

[gilded elm]

Well, by choice right now. He participates in the leagues. I bet he could do financially fine just being a variety streamer who only casually streams PoE during new leagues, as there are plenty of streamers who do just that. Of course, these are the streamers GGG is actually paying for sponsorships, the streamers who normally wouldn't play PoE, like luality.

[candid sage]

like he couldnt just switch to tq2 and LE and be fine. lol

[sweet blade]

Not sure if he can stream PoE2 and be fine, either, though.

[gilded elm]

D4 + the plethora of variety games. Think someone like DatModz who was originally a PoE-only guy.

[candid sage]

yeah, exactly

[crisp onyx]

i'm not saying he will fall to poverty but thats very sizeable chunk of his income

[gilded elm]

Yeah, hence I said he'd probably be inconvenienced by it. I don't think it would be devastating for him though.

He might even be able to make more money from GGG if he plays PoE less lmao.

[crisp onyx]

tq2 is dark horse

[gilded elm]

Because at least that way GGG would sponsor him to play PoE

As opposed to right now, where he plays PoE any way and GGG doesn't need to sponsor him at all.

[sweet blade]

@Eagles, regarding your General point about fun... someone should tell GGG that. 🙂

[gilded elm]

(GGG doesn't generally give sponsorships to PoE streamers to my knowledge, why pay someone to play your game if they were gonna play it anyway?)

[crisp onyx]

cant blame them

[gilded elm]

Yeah I don't see an #ad tag in the title of any of the PoE streamers' streams currently.

[crisp onyx]

anyone would do the same

[vivid axle]

Been playing the new league as a minion dot lich, in act 3 atm

Clear speed is fine, but bosses are pretty slow kills

Having about as much fun as 0.1, but I played a Warbringer for that, so make of that what you will. 😄

[sweet blade]

Interesting, good to get another perspective.

[crisp onyx]

victim of warrior xd

yeah heard ppl who played 0.1 warrior doesnt find much difference

[gilded elm]

Haha, understandable opinion especially if your experience in 0.1 was mostly with warrior.

Everyone else was playing a way different game from warriors.

[crisp onyx]

tbh warrior could be fine

if it wasnt made of paper

[vivid axle]

Haven't loaded that Warrior back up, but Warbringers got a pretty sizeable buff, especially to Turtle Charm which was already really good

Free up a bunch of block passives for more damage

[crisp onyx]

for more -as

[sweet blade]

Okay, this actually gives me a pretty good perspective on 0.2. I did play a Warrior (with twinked gear) in 0.1, and thought it was such a slog. If that's the level we're talking about with 0.2, so glad I didn't try it.

[crisp onyx]

i too played 0.1 warrior

also tried ranger with iceshot

but it was shit

[vivid axle]

My roommate played Invoker, so I saw what game other people were playing. 😄

[crisp onyx]

you pretty much play lightning or poison+explode or go home

build variety

[sweet blade]

I started a ranger, figured out LIghtning Rod in about 5s, and then was like... where is this feeling with all the other classes?

[vivid axle]

Saw a video of Invoker post-patch, they had everything you might have wanted, Pillar, HOWA, Morior, etc, and they were struggle-bussing on a T15

[sweet blade]

And I'm guessing the Acolyte is still total dumpster fire?

[candid sage]

the problem is they dont seem to be listening at 100% yet.

also you can tag me if i am actively involved in the conversation, its fine

[vivid axle]

I don't know anyone who played Acolyte, don't know anyone playing it this patch either

[sweet blade]

Trying to avoid putting PoE2 stuff in General... it's bad enough to keep it out as it is.

[candid sage]

yeah. here is fine tho.

hoping that hype week cleanses general

[sweet blade]

It's what I wanted to play in 0.1, then realized you couldn't leech non-physical damage to mana, and felt bad.

0.2 changes this, so I was hoping that some people might try it, but apparently not.

[vivid axle]

I was thinking of giving it a shot as a 2nd character

[crisp onyx]

abandon hope

but 17 might

or even week~ after

[sweet blade]

Heh.

[candid sage]

never

[vivid axle]

But getting through the campaign is so slow might not have time before it's LE time 😄

[candid sage]

im still not at thehalfway point

[vivid axle]

I'm like halfway through Act 3 normal

[sweet blade]

Sloggiest of slogs, ugggh.

[crisp onyx]

intended

[sweet blade]

Though the Vaal areas (back in time) are REALLY nice.

[vivid axle]

Been eyeing Warlock since launch, but I avoided it since I heard it was massively OP, wanted to wait until it was kinda normalized so I might run that for season 2

[sweet blade]

Warlock is my favorite Acolyte Mastery... and I've been playing since 0.8.0 at least.

[vivid axle]

Did a lightning converted Firebrand/Surge Spellblade at launch and a Rip Blood Lich for season 1

[crisp onyx]

iirc nerf confirmed

but should be nice

[fierce moth]

It's why influence is a good thing. You can unhappy for what Ziz have done on his streams, but you can't change the case he is the only people who can talk with Jonathan

[sweet blade]

Influence is not a good or bad thing. It is neutral, like all forms of power. What makes it good or bad is what someone does with it.

[fierce moth]

Devs only do interviews with famous youtubers or streamers

[candid sage]

well yeah. cuz they have the most viewers

doing an interview with 3 viewers does nothing

its a business

and tbf plenty of people talk with GGG, not just Ziz

[abstract karma]

i wont either if Titan quest 2 will have less crafting than Grim Dawn which is from same engine as Titan Quest..

Grim dawn have so many crafting perks and options but if it will have same item system of TQ in this TQ 2 oh god

[fierce moth]

it's why own influence is a good thing always

More chances for more business

[hollow coral]

GGG just looks at the KPIs and goes from there, the pretty launch graphics resulted in huge player numbers, plus people glazed it endlessly despite the flaws, data driven company would double down on "the vision" cause it brough 550k concurrents just on Steam, with $30 buy-in

[gilded elm]

I can feel the power!

[hollow coral]

Exec looks at the report from 0.1 and says "Do more of what you've done!", that's how you get 0.2

[junior oyster]

Once again video doesn't load properly on pc

[bright sierra]

what's that game called

[gilded elm]

@carmine trench @bright sierra GhostLore: https://store.steampowered.com/app/1783280/Ghostlore/

Also, just sayin'

[junior oyster]

I have no idea who either are

[bright sierra]

thx

[gilded elm]

Left is a PoE bootlicker, right are two genuine ARPG (and more importantly, LE) fans 😛

[junior oyster]

Though I know Frosty because of his d4 memes

Ngl even if poe2 might look better. The cosmetics are far superior in LE

[fierce moth]

lol...Bootlicker... New word +1

[junior oyster]

Too bad we can't access the cosmetics we buy in offline mode

[fierce moth]

He just a people who poe 2 is the principle for me. Nothing wrong, I just have different flavour

[crisp onyx]

same

[crisp onyx]

have to disagree

but woven ones look dope compared to what they had earlier

[fierce moth]

We need GGG to exist so it bring more new ARPG players for this community, le can get bonus from that. Own the oppoent can inspire a game company cook better on their games too.

He get paid well even he supported GGG a lot

[gilded elm]

Indeed, competition is a good thing for players.

Always good to have more options.

[sweet blade]

So apparently people just discovered an economy-destroying bug in 0.2...? This is beating a dead horse at this point.

[gilded elm]

I really like this feature, summoning a minion based on another player's character to fight alongside you.

[sweet blade]

Huh, interesting. Very 'REverse Item World' Disgaea feel...

[gilded elm]

Uses their build and everything haha

Really cool concept

Second class time!

[fierce moth]

I want to enjoy poe 2 too actually, but my build just don't allow me to do that

[gilded elm]

Flickerstrike?! Maybe?

[sweet blade]

Flicker!!!

[crisp onyx]

infinitely reroll ritual tablet

what could have gone wrong

[gilded elm]

Uh oh. Do I smell... fun?

[fierce moth]

oh maybe I can play my stormweaver again to see can I have a chance to check out which new maps GGG have cooked

[crisp onyx]

its just infinite loot, basically cookie clicker

[gilded elm]

Yeah, and still I bet it only feels like a consolation prize for playing this dumb league haha

[sweet blade]

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

This is so insane..... so it's not an exploit... it's something they ACTUALLY put into the game?

[candid sage]

LMAO

rip to anyone not in maps

[junior oyster]

Is there a video on it?

[candid sage]

like me

yeah

liek 6 hrs ago

[junior oyster]

I'm not playing poe2 but I'd love to see it

[candid sage]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_nZebpFg1I

[junior oyster]

Ta

[candid sage]

its just a dumb broken ass thing that purposely put in the game with 0 testing

[gilded elm]

Hahahaha

Good lord

[junior oyster]

Remind me not to open youtube on discord..

[candid sage]

im sure there are better videos, thats just the first one to pop up

[placid yarrow]

classic

[sweet blade]

This is just getting pitiful at this point.

[junior oyster]

Loool

[placid yarrow]

I mean the chayula monk not being able to leech ES with full mana is comical too

technically working as intended

[candid sage]

i can see that oversight tho

[placid yarrow]

but like

[candid sage]

this is actually just game breaking

[sweet blade]

That's, yeah, working as intended.

[placid yarrow]

their intention is pure ass

[candid sage]

no one could have tested this

with any brain cells working

[sweet blade]

It's better than 0.1, where you couldn't leech non-physical damage, so Chayula was basically DOA.

[placid yarrow]

is indigon in poe 2? no right

i've barely played lul

[sweet blade]

I still want to play EB/MOM Chayula Monk.

[candid sage]

im like halfway thru campaign, and if this bricks the economy, im done. lol.

[placid yarrow]

indigon chayula monk would go hard

[sweet blade]

At this point, I can almost see them restarting the league. This is just brutal.

[candid sage]

dont. even. say. that.

they gonna restart it on a very specific day

and its gonna be all your fault

[desert jasper]

[sweet blade]

Heh, shooting the messenger, are we? 😉

[desert jasper]

Yes

[candid sage]

yes. a lot.

[placid yarrow]

LE delayed for this

[sweet blade]

I've been saying for days that I think that GGG is going to pull at least a major buff patch out to compete with LE's launch. This is just the 'whole nine yards' edition.

Yep.

[junior oyster]

[candid sage]

i dont think they have anything ready for that level of stuff

[placid yarrow]

imagine putting that in the game and not thinking of using multiple

[junior oyster]

So pretty much free anything? And it's not even a a freaking bug/exploit

[sweet blade]

That's the ridiculous part. All of this was 100% intended.

[candid sage]

god i hope no one else from CT sees this

[crisp onyx]

its tested in span of 5 minutes

very easy case

[placid yarrow]

it'd be like LE adding a 1x1 idol that gives 10% global DR and then letting you just stack them additively for 100% DR

[candid sage]

kaaaaaaaaaaarv. miiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiike. i have a suggestion

[crisp onyx]

like thats a threat at this point lmao

[candid sage]

i stg if they did it again

arpg world would explode

[feral plover]

I don't remember any exploit being that easy to replicate in all poe history, it's so cheap since you need 3 tablets and one map

[crisp onyx]

not intended per se, just oversight

[gilded elm]

It's actually really hard. You have to finish the campaign first.

[junior oyster]

https://www.pathofexile.com/trade2/search/poe2/Standard/6Jk2Ja2cG

[sweet blade]

Just... infinite rerolls seems 100% the design of the effect.

[junior oyster]

No way it's 1 mirror right?

[crisp onyx]

its fine by itself if we cant stack reduced cost

[feral plover]

touché

[sweet blade]

So they have no control limits on their mods. How silly.

[crisp onyx]

farming div cards in tier 1 maps

and they actually banned ppl

[feral plover]

oh yeah there was that at one point

[crisp onyx]

when that was clearly an oversight too

[crisp onyx]

its more

you can pull infinite mirrors out of it

just click 10k times on average

[crisp onyx]

which is also fine if you ask me and not catastrofic usually

the only thing is if you put something that has no limit you do it very carefully

[sweet blade]

Not with their QA..

[crisp onyx]

and keep track of those items every patch

[crisp onyx]

what qa?

like cmon

kitava ascend flat didnt work

what qa would let that through?

actually there is one more case

if you do last minute changes

then its possible to pass it behind qa

[gilded elm]

There was the MTX server crash too, which could have been caught during QA by simply wearing the MTX in an instance with more than one player.

[junior oyster]

You know I was laughing about certain things ggg have introduced to the game but the one that makes me laugh the most is the blacksmith class

[crisp onyx]

quin video xd

gets me every time

[junior oyster]

Like dude doesn't mean even get stun immunity while hammering away

Next level hammerdin

Diablo devs need to learn from exile-like devs

[junior oyster]

Yea while I find him annoying usually I did find that video funny

[crisp onyx]

still think success bashed their head

with all the glazing and blizzard shitting themselves

[junior oyster]

Yea and basically no real competition (even now)

[crisp onyx]

i cope it will have on 17

while its funny to clown on them, i would rather ahve poe 1

and poe 2 if they actually finish it

[gilded elm]

Same, if PoE2 has to die for us to get PoE1 back, I'd take that deal every time knowing this is their direction.

[sweet blade]

If anything it will be the reverse.

[mental talon]

I'm just here kinda waiting for 3.26 for PoE 1 at this point because I don't feel like any ARPG is worth playing. My backlog is clearing up though so that's pretty neat

[fierce moth]

😵 I'm blind now, Just no idea how to plan that

[crisp onyx]

play other genres

there are some gems

[mental talon]

I have a backlog that is clearing up for a reason.

[crisp onyx]

i can add your your backlog if you wish

[mental talon]

No

[abstract karma]

you actually got to endgame ? after 4 days of "M" ? dang

[gilded elm]

Reddit is always on fire, but they do know how to sh*tpost lmao

[crisp onyx]

its an illusion

because if you are unhappy you go to vent

[sweet blade]

Wheezing, omg

[crisp onyx]

if you are happy you are in game

thats why reddit is on fire

[gilded elm]

Nah it's a fairly unique phenomenon in PoE specific to Reddit. The PoE Discord isn't in a perpetual state of being on fire, for example. The Discord tends to be one of the first places complainers go.

[crisp onyx]

btw that armor break thing also works on players iirc

so if mobs break your armor you also will get this bonus dmg

[sweet blade]

6.2k likes isn't nothing, either.

[crisp onyx]

is discord moderated more heavily than reddit?

[gilded elm]

Nope, it's relatively unmoderated when it comes to people crying.

Almost not at all.

[crisp onyx]

then you got me

[gilded elm]

The Discord is on fire right now though, tell you that.

And the mods are just letting it all happen, because people need to vent. You can't let that shit build up and fester. It's like a pressure valve. You have to have a release.

Trying to moderate all of the negative criticism, despite how much it's being regurgitated over and over, can only really end in one way when it's coming from effectively the majority of the playerbase.

[sweet blade]

Mm, is it the majority, though?

Or, perhaps better said, representative of the majority?

[gilded elm]

I think even if you use Steam reviews for this league alone as a metric, and used a conservative estimate, you still end up with either a majority or a really, really big portion of the playerbase.

But if you mean just the people who go to Discord or Reddit to vent, of course they are not a majority.

People vent, and they move on.

[sweet blade]

Mmm.

This is so... So bad.

[fierce moth]

👀 Another overscale map... I'm checking out which new maps GGG was added, the first new map I found remind me of the nightmare from that... What the hell hhhhhhhhhhhh

[gilded elm]

Keep in mind even when people aren't actively crying en masse in the Discord, even the people who enjoy the league are questioning the criticism and the topic is basically always the focus of the PoE2 channels.

[sweet blade]

Mm. How many sweepers are active there?

[gilded elm]

It's constantly being talked about.

From two different PoE2 channels, both at the same time.

And it's been this way since the league launched of course.

Whether you're a league enjoyer or hater, you're talking about the state of the game.

[sweet blade]

Seems pretty tame, honestly.

[gilded elm]

Right now it's not too bad.

I'd say it's only gotten better precisely because moderators haven't tried to shut down the critics and upset players.

[sweet blade]

Mmm.

[fierce moth]

ok the penalty of xp in endgame still here

[sweet blade]

Yes, at least past a certain point.

[fierce moth]

I just found tons of trenches on my altas sandbox.... So I must play the same map again and again still, no changes from adding more map types

[gilded elm]

[fervent hazel]

so poe2 still defends

unironically or not

[sweet blade]

Not sure what you mean?

[fervent hazel]

players still defend ggg decisions

yes?

and why my main acc was banned

[sweet blade]

Mm, I don't think that was why, Aleksandr.

[desert jasper]

We don't talk about bans here.

[fervent hazel]

i know just clarify the reason

well if no one says

i dont against

[desert jasper]

🤷‍♂️

We don't know
and they don't allow talk of it here either

[fervent hazel]

ok

i really dissapointed by people
like those

[crisp onyx]

why would you?

[sweet blade]

Uh.

[fervent hazel]

Every day I get more and more disappointed in people and their willingness to justify any bullshit

[sweet blade]

Pretty sure the snip is... dripping with sarcasm?

[desert jasper]

It's 1000% sarcasm

[fervent hazel]

damn the post irony, I no longer understand where sarcasm is and where it is not

well anyway minions got fix so...

[crisp onyx]

he is very clearly feeling validated

and i would bet he didnt like 0.1 either

[fervent hazel]

just for me i understood the nerfs are necessary and many casuals likes just walk around mobs and they are just dont want to read the guide to the poe1 and it is different game and other other other

[abstract karma]

Do you know what is most funny about PoE 2 chaos ? That Twitter / X post about "PoE-like" is now "f.. up" horribly 😄

[fervent hazel]

but i cannot accept the fact when players really told the poe2 are good

[gilded elm]

Yeah I linked it because it was a hilarious display of sarcasm haha

[fervent hazel]

Cringe Willson pls return

[sweet blade]

What's the player retention looking like over there?

[fervent hazel]

U are bad guy
But Roblox are worse

[crisp onyx]

but poe 2 is not poe-like

[fervent hazel]

player retention?

[crisp onyx]

to early and good chunk is addicted

need another wagon to jump the ship

[abstract karma]

yes it isn't but when PoE 2 EA released and D4 went to even more S.. there was X post about Poe flaming and word came from it "PoE-like" 😄

[crisp onyx]

i get it, its just that poe 2 is diablo-like

i mean

we even get whole generator-spender mechanic

that d4 got so much shit for

[sweet blade]

Only insofar as they're both kinda just meh.

[gilded elm]

Retention on Steam is actually still quite strong, especially considering it's Monday during work hours in the US in particular.

[sweet blade]

This concern was brought up at ExileCon 2023, IIRC.

[fervent hazel]

JUST FOR FUN

D2 are basis of clear speed. Just hammerdin

[sweet blade]

Good to know.

[fervent hazel]

But many players still think is d2 are slowly paced and "mindful" game

[sweet blade]

Still 20% off of peak which is faster than most leagues, IIRC.

[crisp onyx]

its not

[fervent hazel]

mandella effect? or just pr?

[crisp onyx]

nostalgia effect

[gilded elm]

I'm wondering how they will handle this exploit situation. This is surely to affect the league population, depending on when and how it's handled.

[fervent hazel]

In poe discord players are start to spam about exploit

no one banned

[gilded elm]

Too many people are talking about it. Everyone already knows, "cat's out of the bag" so to speak. There's no keeping it quiet any more.

[fervent hazel]

I debt toworrow or on next week those ritual abuse will be fixed

not early

[sweet blade]

I expect it to be 'fixed' by tomorrow.

[gilded elm]

The exploit should be patched very quickly I assume. The question is how will they deal with the exploiters?

[sweet blade]

(And by that, simply disabling the mod.)

[gilded elm]

And how will they deal with the exploited items that are already in circulation?

It's a giant mess.

[fervent hazel]

in no way?

[gilded elm]

Possibly, but that also sends a poor message. "Exploit early, exploit often" hahahaha

[fervent hazel]

just to info ggg employer leaks on 4chan the situation in GGG

they dont have enough devs

[sweet blade]

It's been the PoE1 mantra for years.

[abstract karma]

"just" where t f.. these days you get relevant and true information on anynymous portals 😄

[fervent hazel]

They don't have time to handle either the first part or the second. Everything is managed by managers from Tencent, and that's why we get such strange balancing edits, and communication between departments is critically difficult

[gilded elm]

I can't say one way or another how much influence Tencent exerts over GGG, seeing as the general consensus has been that Tencent typically does not interfere with its western intellectual properties. So that's all pure speculation unless you're an insider, really.

[fervent hazel]

Mark Roberts and Jonathan Rogers are meme guys. They are nor just misunderstood the game - they dont want

[fervent hazel]

It is a gossips from 4ch, but i startly think this is a true - maybe not a very bad situation at all but with many issues

[fierce moth]

I can't play their new maps really. 100% chance stick on the check point, can't move at all once I receive in a map calls frozen calls.

Why their QA don't test this bug and their programmers don't fix that before the patch is out?... Another huge mistake that I can't go on my game.

[gilded elm]

I'll be honest. I think 4chan is the last place you should be going for gossip.

[sweet blade]

I doubt 4chan's knowledge in specific areas like this.

[fervent hazel]

if it is posted on other places.....

[gilded elm]

4chan is a notoriously unreliable source of information.

[sweet blade]

And?

[sweet blade]

For some information. FOr others, it's quite reliable. This is just an example of the former.

[fervent hazel]

To be fair, I like it here. The majority of them are adequate people who understand what is wrong with the game and there is no such thing as just whining because everything is bad and there is no rabid defense

[fervent hazel]

I understand perfectly well that 4chan is not a good source, but it is what it is

[gilded elm]

That said, I also would take opinions from say, Reddit, also with a grain of salt.

[sweet blade]

Bad data is worse than no data.

[fervent hazel]

Reddit are rmt scumbag

They are whining not because the game is bad, but because now you can't show off the currency on the sites

[sweet blade]

Do you do sweeping generalizations as a general rule?

[gilded elm]

Speculation is fine though, just be honest with yourself that it's speculation. Don't let someone convince you with gossip that their speculation is truth without evidence.

[fervent hazel]

the most posts i see it is about currency and veiled innuendos about rmt

[sweet blade]

Okay, I'll chalk that one up to language barrier.

[fervent hazel]

But to be fair, I agree with them here

[gilded elm]

We love to speculate about what's going on at GGG with PoE2, but we have no evidence that Tencent is involved here so we should be careful of saying things as if they are fact when we don't actually know the truth.

[fervent hazel]

Currency statement in EA are very bad even for usual player

0.1 inflation goes brrr

[ebon meadow]

Always use or have dash available to get out of those

[fervent hazel]

Man i understood it

Just info

Personally i think it is a true but exaggerated

[fierce moth]

I can do nothing.

[fervent hazel]

But in fact, it's not that bad than we tought

[sweet blade]

I think something we can all agree on is that SOMETHING has to be going on.

[gilded elm]

GGG is definitely holding out on us. They aren't giving us the whole picture. Something ain't right.

They can't even articulate in plain terms what exactly their "vision" is.

[fervent hazel]

What if it was a special plan to retain players? Make everything so weak that you can then pointwise upgrade individual skills and items and thereby force players to stick to the game? dress up foilhat

[sweet blade]

I think because it would split their potential player base.

[gilded elm]

Well, we did already discuss the possibility (with our own handy tinfoil hats on) that this is all a strategy on GGG's part, they will make major buffs before the LE season so they can make people skip LE hahaha.

[ebon meadow]

I mean like have the dash gem u used on the witch with u they should work on that bug, it's in Poe 1 as well just slightly different

Just have in inv or if u have a spare gem socket

[fervent hazel]

knowing ggg style since 3.15 in poe1 it is can be very probable

[gilded elm]

I agree, I really think this has to be it. Jonathan and Mark wants to "ease" us into it, make it appetizing rather than tell us straight forward what their vision is.

"The less you know, the better it is for us right now because we can convince you to love our vision over time"

[fervent hazel]

It's also not very expensive
and GGG still doesnt have any competition instead of themselves

[sweet blade]

I think it's worse, in that this bifurcated Campaign/Map Playstyle is a FEATURE, not a result of rushed endgame development. I think they're learning that people won't be 'eased into' this if they don't want it, so they're going to outright cater to both.

[gilded elm]

I can't help but feel if this is their strategy, it's going to backfire hard.

[sweet blade]

Same. Or maybe they'll continue it long enough to try to sweep away competition, and then impose their vision on endgame.

[desert jasper]

No need to talk about other dev teams like that...
<@&1161418687471956101>

[ebon meadow]

Search HC ladder regarding Ben if u want a laugh guy is just on another level at this point it's dumb

[sweet blade]

Oh?

[gilded elm]

What'd Ben do? I mean, Ben is OP no matter what lol

[ebon meadow]

There a very funny image and post on Reddit somewhere ,I saw quickly on stream but was working

[sweet blade]

And another one bites the dust.

[ebon meadow]

Everybody setting platforms on fire and that guy just breaking a an EA game lul

[gilded elm]

Oh you mean the HC trade thing? lol

Yeah all of Ben's trade requests have been from softcore players lmao

So he got fed up

[placid yarrow]

lmao

[sweet blade]

Hahaha.

[placid yarrow]

do people not know there's a drop down to select league? lol

[gilded elm]

It's crazy, there was a clip of literally like 20 back to back requests, ALL SC hahaha

[placid yarrow]

yea i saw that one lol

Honestly even SC trade seems like it'll be cooked because of the ritual bs

[gilded elm]

Yeah agreed, dunno how they are gonna address that. Man this situation is getting even messier than I thought it could

[placid yarrow]

I mean they gotta hotfix it

if not the games cooked

[sweet blade]

I think they're past that... maybe seared? Overcooked? Black char on the bottom of a pan?

[gilded elm]

Question is what do they do to the exploiters and what about all of the exploited items in circulation already, it's so hard to deal with.

[dark adder]

Everything is cooked there i fought invisible boss today

[sweet blade]

Clearly ban all of them for not understanding the intent behind the mechanics.

[placid yarrow]

yea i saw bazooka got that bug too lmao

[crisp onyx]

always has been. anonimity is best thing ever

[ebon meadow]

No I mean the image of Ben and 9 warriors surrounding him like a gbang lol he is playing something with bow I think

[sweet blade]

Guh, now I"m just having nightmares of that Monkey boss being Invisible...

[gilded elm]

Agreed, though there's already bad faith actors trying to claim this is intended haha

[sweet blade]

My answer was almost pure sarcasm. 🙂

[desert jasper]

I almost dread how many messages there will be in the morning after sleeping

[gilded elm]

Ah right, yeah I see that now haha

[crisp onyx]

i think its first place really

[gilded elm]

It is HC after all, gotta build tanky.

Not that Ben cares.

Ben is a god gamer.

[ebon meadow]

For me it's like watching pro C's players

U think u can play there but u don't

It's just another level of hands and mentality

Hopefully I get my new pc Wednesday latest I can play before LE

Still would like to push the Poe1 build as well and have some currency

[gilded elm]

Nice. New PC for a new LE season. That's dope.

[ebon meadow]

Yea we get last gen of i7 and a 4060

[fierce moth]

GGG even go bigger on new map's scale... 30 mins I'm in this map already

[ebon meadow]

My credit card going to have a hart attack

[ebon meadow]

I always in a it of gaslighting,it's the vision

dkn he'll just squizz maps to 3 waypoints

[sweet blade]

Oh wow, now I want to write a filk of The Simpsons theme called, 'The Visiiooon....'

[ebon meadow]

Less performance issue due rendering less server pressure ... Just like why

[ebon meadow]

Have to be South park or family guy ,and let them cook epick

[sweet blade]

Hey, I can write it... 🙂

[ebon meadow]

Imagine an episode of those two shows about Arpgs

We got a wow one before it's like nostalgia

[sweet blade]

The WoW episode wasn't nearly as brutal (really, not brutal at all) as I would want this to be.

[crisp onyx]

you wont get it nowadays

[ebon meadow]

I was going to say something about how would South park verison would look then I remeber that I would break like 3 TOS of discord lmao

[crisp onyx]

too offensive

[ebon meadow]

They defenetly had worst bit still we got out gore part

If they take the Poe theme South park is up for a ride there's nothing more gorey on the market

Just take Atziri lol

[pine basalt]

Imagine playing POE without a "streamer's client" ! Streamer queue-skipping doesn't exist btw

[ebon meadow]

I have a lighter for that gas

Been done once and what happened ,we set flames to woke internet thnx Asmon ( jk just in case we don't understand sarcasm )

Got my Pekin duck now zoom home and watch something dumb because I don't have a pc

[fallow vessel]

hello gamers

[sweet blade]

Hello, eater of chicken-friend something! 🙂

[abstract karma]

its unhealthy food..

Give me rather Gyros with fresh vegetables to have nice crunch
(haha no judge btw, i miss fat or fried food because i have died from it till doctor say otherwise >.>)

[sweet blade]

I like eating (cooked) sushi and chicken bowls.

[junior oyster]

I like eating pizza with extra extra pizza sauce

And less cheese

[abstract karma]

i always wondered how east cuisine handle medical problems were you need have diet when 70% of their foods and made stuff have quite agressive spice in it

[gilded elm]

Aaaah, I suck lol

Something about this feels a bit harder than when I last played 😛

The semi-Flickerstrike is pretty fun though lol

[crisp onyx]

if its tasty it cant be unhealthy

[stone arch]

how is this game doing? are they updating it?

[gilded elm]

It's been about half a year since the last update. But as far a single player ARPG goes it's pretty much a "finished game" with endgame as well. Game is developed by two brothers from Singapore I believe.

The last update reworked equipment (in a very good way) and added pets (different from minions, those were already a thing) if I remember.

[gilded elm]

I love trying to make builds with this system. It's so damn cool.

[pine basalt]

i don't know if "i suck" is appropriate, 1 mistake = 1 dash you died in less than 1 sec ><" can't react to that

[gilded elm]

Yeah think I was just really unprepared build-wise. I'm dying a lot... this playthrough seems way harder than my past ones... trying to revise my build now for a bit more survivability too.

Oh god this seems perfect with Lightning Flash

Damn, can't do a full lightning flash build, not enough charge sustain arrrgh. Rip the Flickerstrike dream, for now.

[gilded elm]

Still got a survivability problem, but this revised build is still feeing quite nice.

[sweet blade]

Looks fun. That UI is very clean for an indie title.

[gilded elm]

Yeah I have almost no complaints with it. Plays well on my Steam Deck too for bedtime blasting.

It has modding, I'm tempted to make a proper loot filter mod for it because it only has basic filtering presets.

[vivid axle]

Didn't expect that with everything being so nerfed...

Beat Trial of Chaos first try

[gilded elm]

Nice! That's awesome

[sweet blade]

Does sound like Trial of Chaos was retuned.

Either that, or I was just REALLY bad at it in 0.1.

[teal flame]

Nah, it was way overtuned in .1

[vivid axle]

It eventually became pretty trivial in maps

[sweet blade]

K... I think I only ever beat that thing once. Maybe twice, with once in a group.

[vivid axle]

But the first run in campaign was struggle bus lol

[west plume]

Whats teh game?

[gilded elm]

It is GhostLore: https://store.steampowered.com/app/1783280/Ghostlore/

[crisp onyx]

its also rng fiesta

depends on mods you get

free or impossible

[sweet blade]

Yeah....

[crisp onyx]

😂

[sweet blade]

Wow. Who made that? Just a clip compilation video?

[crisp onyx]

nope its parody

hawg

https://youtu.be/T9hUkaoTlaU

[sweet blade]

Ah, okay. Can you imagine if ItsYoji was still doing parody videos?

The roast would be unending.

[crisp onyx]

unfamiliar

[sweet blade]

Just a guy on YouTube who used to do parody PoE videos and streamed and stuff I think.

[sweet blade]

@ionic tangle PoE2 0.2, at least, is pretty much a shitshow at this point.

[ionic tangle]

huh

why exactly?

like, how do you even mess up an arpg? even d3 was sorta fun

[sweet blade]

There are any number of videos regarding it.

[vivid axle]

25% flat DR on Lich is crazy work lol

[sweet blade]

Right now, there is a way to print effectively infinite resources, among other things.

[ionic tangle]

oh huh

is it mostly 'sloppy launch' stuff like that? or

acually

do you have a video you'd recommend

[sweet blade]

Haven't watched it, but Dreamcore put out a video earlier, and I've always found him fairly balanced.

[ionic tangle]

alright ty!

[digital forge]

There's another duping problem?

[sweet blade]

Just the Ritual issue, to my knowledge, but it's kinda that.

'Duping' to me is literal duplication of items. This is more 'currency printing'.

[light forge]

Yeah. There is some weird interaction going on with a unique ritual tablet that allows you to reroll and defer the items for 0 tribute

[digital forge]

Ohh didnt even see that

Wow

[light forge]

So you just defer everything down to almost 0 and then buy actual Mirrors and other stuff.

[last cedar]

Oh nice we can freely complain about POE 2 in here?

Well these clowns rushed the update so badly

ppl are duping like crazy already with ritual

no idea what action GGG will do tho

[sweet blade]

Yes, in terms of where it is appropriate to do it. Can't comment on the content of the complaints. 😉

[digital forge]

Oof i'm sure the economy is greeat right now

[light forge]

I was planning to try and get to maps tonight with my warrior because I heard endgame is actually pretty good but now the economy is gonna be busted, and I wanted to try crafting with new stuff so...

[gilded elm]

It's okay, the busted economy is part of the vision.

It's all under control.

[digital forge]

working as intended lol

[crisp onyx]

economy might be saved

scalpers already price fixed all the tablets for mirror+

[sweet blade]

Hmmmm.

[last cedar]

Byteflux? bro wasup lmao

I got 2 interviews to watch the one with GGG and Zizaran and last epoch and talkative tri

[sweet blade]

I so wish the streamers were reversed with those.

[light forge]

Zizirans is tomorrow I think? I'm gonna grill him on his big question to make sure he sticks to his guns

[sweet blade]

Mmmm... I doubt that will happen. Or, at least, any one person could get that to happen. No offense.

[vivid axle]

Why? TT would just be gushing and shilling with soft questions for GGG the entire time

At least with LE he'll be a bit more normal

[light forge]

Yeah but the point is to get the TTS in the VOD so folks can clip it

[sweet blade]

Because Tri shills for GGG. I don't really trust him to be impartial with EHG in the current climate.

[vivid axle]

Not sure how that would come through in an interview

[last cedar]

I hope Tri doesnt hop on the train and start glazing LE like crazy

[sweet blade]

Being very critical, etc. etc.

[last cedar]

pick a side brother cant glaze both games

[candid sage]

why not? lol

[vivid axle]

I can, I like both. 😄

[candid sage]

this isnt an either or situation

[last cedar]

the balance of power will be shifted

[sweet blade]

I thought glazing implied a degree of unreasonableness.

[last cedar]

glazing 2 games at once is alot of work

Well idk he said poe 2 was going be his main focus for content

[sweet blade]

Ah well... I guess I will be able to look back and say, 'I knew when this TT guy streamed...'

[vivid axle]

@sweet blade So I saw someone using the elemental leech on Chayula Monk...

[sweet blade]

Any good?

[vivid axle]

It's worthless.

[sweet blade]

... 😭

[vivid axle]

Because the "Mana Leech also recovers ES" node only works if you actually CAN leech mana.

[sweet blade]

Sure, but I wasn't planning on taking that node. Just the first one, and go EB/MOM.

[vivid axle]

Once your mana is full, the ES leech immediately stops.

[sweet blade]

The entire point of my build is to use EB/MOM to get a huge buffer to protect the Darkness.

[vivid axle]

Ohh, nice. Just keep in mind, EB doubles your mana costs now

[sweet blade]

Sure... it may no longer work, but yeah...

[vivid axle]

Though they did reduce the mana costs of all attacks, so maybe it'll even out.

Thinking of trying to get to Blood Magic on my Lich

As long as I have ES my spells would be effectively free

[twilit mountain]

Not nearly by enough, a 6L attack is still like 100 mana per use lol

[vivid axle]

Ouch, stll bad.

[twilit mountain]

Yup

[light forge]

So, I just found something horrible

[sweet blade]

Oh?

[light forge]

in maps all your progression is tied to find corrupted nexus'

[sweet blade]

Right..

[vivid axle]

Is that it?

[light forge]

Sorry was fighting a boss

so anyway what this means is you have to find 15 of these nexus scattered across your atlas

and, even if you can clear a higher tier map, it won't give the points as if you had cleared multiple tiers.

so you have to find I think its like 15 Nexu's to get all of your atlas points.

[sweet blade]

So in order.

[light forge]

Yeah

well like it'll count it as a clear, but if you do a T9 and you've only done 1 Nexus, it will only count as if you had done a T2 in that nexus

Progression now is not tied to completing maps or stuff like "clear t3 tower with x mods". No. Its searching for hours for corrpution nexus so you can get 2 skillpoints and now go find another and do it t3 rather than t2. I am doing t9 maps and i have quest to do t3 nexus. I used t6 map on nexus hoping it would boost me into t7+ but no, from t2 to t3, have fun exile.

[sweet blade]

As with so much in 0.2, just sounds like an annoying slog with no real compensation.

[light forge]

eyup

[light forge]

Well I got Ziz's attention XD

I think we are in clear.

[sweet blade]

Oh?

[light forge]

Yup, I asked him about it and he's like "Never heard that before" and he's looking at a rage trhead of people saying he's basically a soyboy right now XD

Worth the 20$

He does send the questions ahea of time but he's going to ask them either way.

[sweet blade]

Never heard what before? Confused.

[light forge]

That people think he's gonna go softi n his interview

[sweet blade]

Queue Queen. 🙂

[sweet blade]

Oh, pffh. This is likely a cultural issue. What he thinks is soft and what I think is soft is likely quite different.

[light forge]

Fair.

He just tries to be professional, but I think tomorrow's interview might be a very polite grilling.

and Mark and Johnathan are gonna be the burgers.

[sweet blade]

Mm... I'll be waiting for the report. 🙂

[narrow token]

Huh. This makes a lot of sense based on people's complaints.

[sweet blade]

Brilliant! 🙂

[teal flame]

For me it's the change to stuns. How can you go slow when you die in about .2 seconds when you get swarmed by 15 monsters, some of which leap onto you from the edge of your screen (or further)? And that's not even at maps, it's in the first act. You have to kite huge groups around and if one of them gets a hit in you're stunned and then it's over because the swarm has arrived.

I don't mind slower gameplay, but like... kiting a giant group around until I can whittle them down isn't exactly fun

[sweet blade]

I would love some quantitative data about the density of mobs in Souls-like games vs. PoE2.

[twilit mountain]

I am of the opinion that white and blue mobs should not be part of the slower gameplay. If you want us to have to approach rares/uniques/bosses slowly, fine. But nobody wants to be slow against the 5 modless skeletons.

[sweet blade]

That's actually a really good way of splitting the Souls-like crowd and the ARPG crowd and catering to both, as opposed to what GGG has currently done.

[twilit mountain]

I do think there has to be a limit on how slow though. They claimed their ideal pinnacle boss fight is 10 minutes long, that's slower than SL1 runs in pretty much every FromSoft game.

[sweet blade]

I can't imagine that that is sustainable longterm. Who's going to grind that? (Difference in SOul-like games is that you generally don't have random drops from bosses, correct?)

[twilit mountain]

Souls games don't really have random drops from bosses yeah (except Nioh, I suppose, but Nioh 1 sucks). They usually drop a "consumable" that you trade into a vendor for a particular item from that boss.

@sand wigeon is a better source of info here than me, I'm not a big FromSoft fan but she is kind of an expert

[sweet blade]

Right, so maybe a way to 'square this' is that GGG should expect 10 minutes of fighting Pinnacle bosses to get a desired item. So if the 'good' item has a 20% drop rate, the fight should be 2 minutes long.

[twilit mountain]

Do note you can't farm bosses in FromSoft's games, they don't respawn, unsure on others in the genre though

[twilit mountain]

Yeah this is fine I think. I mean, Shaper fights in PoE1 used to take about this long (cutting out the annoying between-phases parts) and we didn't really complain afaik.

[sweet blade]

Yeah, and this IMO is still being generous to GGG, as Souls-like games don't require grinding to do the boss fight, right? Once, to 'get' to it, but then it's not the same amount of time grinding to do it again.

[twilit mountain]

Yeah, most of them you could just run straight to the boss if you really want to. You probably shouldn't if you're not like, in a challenge run of some type, but you could.

Worst part of refighting a boss in a Souls game is having to walk back to it, which isn't an issue in Elden Ring at least

[sweet blade]

Yep.

[sand wigeon]

If you have any questions about Souls-like gameplay, I've played them all extensively

Just ping me

[teal flame]

I think there's a good chunk of overlap, honestly. Lots of us like souls gameplay. The problem isn't the concept of GGG wanting to slow POE2 down, it's how they're addressing one aspect of the problem (player speed) without the others (player power progression, deterministic crafting, monster power progression, etc)

[blissful token]

Bosses in MH can take 5 mins to 20 mins

And the drops are can be random and also guaranteed as a reward under certain circumstances

Its not soulslike but it does use stamina as a resource

Comes with 14 unique weapons to play with

Players can invade you and sabotage you

[twilit mountain]

I unironically do consider MH to be within the souls-like "umbrella"

Somehow I have seen people on Reddit argue that 10 minute bosses in PoE2 would be fine because MH has longer with random drops and I just kinda sit there baffled.
It's a completely different combat style, building system, perspective, progression, etc etc. You should be drawing exactly no similarities or comparisons between them.

[blissful token]

Worst thing about MH is that there is no 10,000 mob swarming you and no killing you off screen unless you drop into the boss arena while the boss is using its ultimate or you just damn unlucky to be shot with water jet/fireball in collateral damage

[fierce moth]

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3748698
Ok new changes for their bad maps

But maps they mentioned are in campaigns only (act 3 only if make it more clear) so the endgame... 🤷‍♀️

[fierce moth]

But it's hard to say these core players (poe streamers I mean) hate the new update because they still played it on their streams as their career. This is not easy to attract them to play another ARPG before this ARPG is updated

[desert jasper]

Wait, people are comparing poe2 to monster hunter?
what
doesn't compute

[blissful token]

There was an exploit with the ritual tablet and was fixed 8 hours ago? 👀

[desert jasper]

"exploit"

[light forge]

well, this upcoming PoE2 patch might break my build

[blissful token]

Dev says they are banning peepo who abused it along with the wealth generated

[light forge]

I guess modifiers to melee splash radius have been getting applied twice, which has been like, most of my mob clear with Armor Break + Boneshatter.

[desert jasper]

Oh

[last cedar]

Update on the duping:

[blissful token]

nub you not touching poe2 yet or really plan to skip 0.2 entirely?

[desert jasper]

I think i'm skipping 0.2 yeah

Feels like i will miss nothing apart from suffering and regret

Maybe a few satisfying or fun moments

[blissful token]

I wanna boot it sometime but the state of 0.2 is kinda oof right now. Good that they have made these smaller patches over time to improve the experience in a few days. Like these Act 3 maps.. odd they only decided to make the maps smaller by removing these skipped content in Act 3 after peepo went huha with 0.2

I mean LE ancient era was the same but thats just 1 map

[twilit mountain]

A lot of the streamers are quitting if it doesn't improve in the next few days, some have already quit

[blissful token]

Wanted to play Warrior again but only molten blast got buffed lol. Not my type of warrior

[last cedar]

most ppl playing until season 2 it seems like

unless GGG somehow turns this around in a few days

[desert jasper]

Why is it -5C out in the morning
we already had like 3 weeks of +4c mornings

[fierce moth]

26c at noon...

[desert jasper]

wanna trade?

[fierce moth]

of course 👀

T-shirt is available from March to November here

[light forge]

Well I got absouletly blasted in my very first map because I ran into a rare with armor break.

Time to play LE

[last cedar]

lmao i was just doing a wisp i got swarmed like crazy so close to rage quitting smh

[fierce moth]

https://hrarchz.com/portfolio-item/blue-royal-classic-bedroom/

I started from interior design to learn voxel art, this is the memory I forgot already...

Spent 4 years on figuring out what can I do with voxel art but I still no idea now

[desert jasper]

I feel like playing something
but I'm not sure what 🤔

[light forge]

what a concept

[twilit mountain]

PoE1 has this, ironically.

[fierce moth]

I just went bigger objects and lack of aesthetic actually because I didn't know voxel art is bad on interior design. I did these trash models because I want a home can attach with royal blue interior design like that. Yeah... But I still can't own my desktop pc yet. I like luxurious light so I designed a few in my models. This is a later thing that I realized beautiful light can't save my works.

They're created in 2021

The first goal I had is architecture itself actually. I want to learn architectures but I just no idea what should I learn and how to learn. As a hobbist of architecture, I learned that from interior design. Exterior design is what I learned until late 2022

🤭 That's why I would own Behance account

Interior design -> Exterior design -> Architecture models -> Environmental design -> Environment art ✅

That's my learning process

[light forge]

it doesn't though. I've killed so many rares this league and almost none of them have dropped yellow items.

[fierce moth]

I found I can't go on my learning without professional skills on architecture so I gave up later.
These're what I tried on architectural design. (yeah I learned sketchup)

I love light in night, I love glass cubes, I love Morandi palettes, so I combine all what I loved then this work is borned, it's the last work I done with interior design and I started to explore environmental design.

Knew which colours should I use on works is the best lesson I got from making fan arts of for the king 2. Three closed colours under the same palette is the best way xd

Colours decides the overall aesthetic of any artworks

[last cedar]

Man maybe i should download this game im just playing poe 2 to kill time for season 2 but im just feel like im wasting my time playing this all the time

[light forge]

Come to the other side friend

[last cedar]

might as well learn this game

[desert jasper]

Just a few more days until big patch

[last cedar]

You know ive been hearing baout this offline mode that sounds intresting i can play LE offline?

[desert jasper]

Yeah, you can play it fully offline

[last cedar]

if this plays well on steam deck we are cooking boys

[last cedar]

wow thats actually crazy hmm

[desert jasper]

Can't use mtx in offline mode though
and obviously can't transfer save from offline to online

[last cedar]

Oh wait so it likes a seperate mode

theres online and offline

[last cedar]

i was kinda hoping i could do that but rip

[hollow coral]

Holy, Tri, why have you gone back to your ways

[last cedar]

what did tri do now

[hollow coral]

Waffled back and forth between his opinions

[last cedar]

like always lmao

[hollow coral]

I don't know what to think of him anymore, I gave him benefit of the doubt when he reviewed the 0.2 patch notes

He got flak from his audience for sure, but the game is boring even on paper

Now he's back to glazing it for being slow and unrewarding because we don't understand what a good game is

[last cedar]

lmao maybe ill watch his stream today just for the laughs

holy cow this guy cant be real

[hollow coral]

I'll watch it for sure, but experience tells me he's gonna endlessly glaze LE without actually playing it

[last cedar]

thats exactly what i said this morning smh

[hollow coral]

He'll go through the well known points

• best crafting
• loot filter
• free stash tabs

[last cedar]

😭

ill be watching his interview tomorrow with LE devs

[hollow coral]

I think the interview can be worse than the Ziz one

I mean, Mike and Holy doing god's work and carrying the whole think on their backs

But then Ziz having no idea what the game is and never playing it

Playing the wrong year old trailer

"Oh, there's a new trailer?"

"This is not the trailer you wanted me to play?"

Ok, it can't be that bad, surely Tri will do some prep and play the game, right?

[keen wind]

Oh what, I had high hopes for Ziz, he used to play the game a bunch 😔

[last cedar]

nope they going in blind

Hmm yeah tri only one i know that never played

[hollow coral]

It seemed to me like it's the first time he's heard of LE

[keen wind]

I actually know this game because of Ziz lol

Been a while though, 0.8 iirc

Yeah I was one of these

[twilit mountain]

He's an old LE supporter, he made the squirrel helmet

[fierce moth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9hUkaoTlaU
hhhhhh new meme video guys, enjoy

🤣 This youtuber is genius. Too funny

[vagrant topaz]

Its actually pretty funny

[fierce moth]

oh my god lmaoooooooo

[last cedar]

I went to hawg stream for the first time he such a nice and funny guy

Oh god this guy made a masterpiece as always lmao

"THE VISION" 😂

[fierce moth]

The only problem I have is why he don't use Judd's face and voice

[vagrant topaz]

Mike is a bit more popular and know I would guess
Since he is doing all the Friday Streams

[fierce moth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G54yUNj6ZHk

Oh I find that

[last cedar]

lmao legit was watching this one

that ending was perfect.... sigh...

[hollow coral]

The acting is straight from a video for adults

[queen fiber]

@twilit mountain hey how's the Mage: Legends game? Is it really good?

Not the first time I've heard of it

[sand wigeon]

Mage: Legends?

Do you mean Mage: The Ascension?

[queen fiber]

The one game that you're fighting for in general? Jokingly right?

Or is it serious

[sand wigeon]

What?

[queen fiber]

"I am going to turn this into Mage: The Ascension chat and there is nothing you can do to stop me"

Is that game actually good?

I'm looking for a side game rn

[twilit mountain]

Mage: The Ascension is a tabletop roleplaying game created by White Wolf in their World Of Darkness setting.

Less popular than their other one, Vampire: The Masquerade, or Hunter: The Reckoning. Or even Werewolf: The Apocalypse. Which sucks because Mage is fantastic and also utterly batshit insane.

[sand wigeon]

Yes, it's not a video game. The series does have some video games, though.

Vampire: the Masquerade Bloodlines, comes to mind.

[twilit mountain]

There's like 8 different visual novels for VTM for some reason

And maybe like two Werewolf ones

[queen fiber]

Ohh ok, I googled the wrong game name then, mb

[sand wigeon]

Not visual novels, they're mostly all text adventurers. Some have a limited amount of visual novel effects, but the majority are ChoiceScript text adventures.

[queen fiber]

Yeah I've heard of vtm before, kinda of a cult classic

[sand wigeon]

Not so cult.

[twilit mountain]

The setting is phenomenal, it's been one of my recent hyperfixations. But please don't ask me about Changeling, Changeling hurts my brain.

[sand wigeon]

You are a simpleton. Comprehend the unseelie courts already.

[twilit mountain]

I'm sending you to Stygia.

[sand wigeon]

Curse of Stygia upon thee

[twilit mountain]

I hope you get soulforged

[sand wigeon]

I would make a great chair.

[twilit mountain]

????

[sand wigeon]

Because I got soulforged. Into a chair.

Keep up, jeez.

[vagrant topaz]

See @queen fiber
Dont forget, they are in the same room house

[queen fiber]

Hey man why did you call me out. It took GREAT effort to sneak out while they are at each other's throats

[vagrant topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/baby-running-oops-wrongway-gif-342679303393949979

[sand wigeon]

We're just discussing Mage: The Ascension! Anyone is free to join in the conversation and ask questions.

[vagrant topaz]

Given your mood this "morning" (its the morning here) I would rather jump into a pit full of nettles 😄

[twilit mountain]

The Technocracy will have their eyes on you

[sand wigeon]

Whose mood?

[fierce moth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEIerVw1vsw
Barkley marathon, something interesting I just touched

[vagrant topaz]

Yours 😄

[sand wigeon]

I'm in a good mood, actually.

[twilit mountain]

You just came in a bit hot earlier

Which is like, my job not yours

[sand wigeon]

What

[fierce moth]

https://www.reddit.com/r/LastEpoch/comments/1jtxvmg/so_i_tried_last_epoch_last_night/

when there's a lot of similar crafting material on the ground next to eachother, you click only ONE of them and all of it gets picked up at once...This means you can play for nearly an hour without having to revisit your stash in town.

oh thanks for this le fan mentioned that. I never realize how troublesome to collect materials one by one especially I need to select that material at first on controller UI.

It just too smooth to pick up materials then I never know it can become something I can complain in a game

(I'm talking about how players collect materials in poe 2 so I move it here)

oh yeah I dislike I must identify every item before I can check out which mods they own too... No idea why I must do this step. Why I can't just check out a item directly.

I want to see how will GGG make their own crafting system in the future so I can know cons and pros for le's crafting system.
Well... I still know how good le made on gameplay decisions poorly because I have poor contrast.

play poe 2 as the first ARPG... holy god I'm sorry to hear that because I know how hard this game for a new player is

oh I just wonder why I never hear titan quest 2 on reddit... 🫂

[twilit mountain]

You have to do this step because the devs are too enamored with Diablo 2

[queen fiber]

I'm more excited about grim dawn new expansion than tq2 tbh

[feral plover]

sad truth is that yeah, that's only it

Not once did they stop to wonder "oh gee we're printing millions of items per second and people are looting hundreds of stuff per maps, why don't they enjoy ID each and every one of them"

[keen wind]

(real answer is probably that the items aren't even generated when they drop because 99% won't ever be picked up anyway)

[twilit mountain]

They actually are

[keen wind]

Are you sure with that? I've seen nothing that couldn't be explained with a seed

If they are then that's just wasteful

[twilit mountain]

Yep. We used to have things that forced items to drop identified and so you could just filter out everything except what you wanted, and there was no impact to amount shown or anything like that. And it's easy to test with corrupted maps since the modifiers don't change when it hits the "unidentify" outcome.

There is seeded stuff in the game, but it's for inventory or area generation, such as Delve or Rog items

[keen wind]

Neither of those sounds like it confirms items being generated before identification

[hollow coral]

A friend of mine reads some vampire visual novel and they like have poll battles which of the hot vampire guys gets eliminated

[feral plover]

and if 99% isn't picked up, it's not a player problem rather than the amount of loot they're being thrown at ^^

[twilit mountain]

I'm about 90% sure we also have dev confirmation they are generated before identification too

[hollow coral]

It's hot vampire guys mobile game, I was so confused what was going on, she made us vote so he favorite doesn't get polled out

Are those VTM visual novels related to Romance Club?

[desert jasper]

I would've voted against her tbh

[keen wind]

Ah, if that's the case I got nothing

As that's the only excuse I can come up with for unid'd items lol

[hollow coral]

She sold it to us well

[twilit mountain]

I wanna say no? VTM is based around the idea of struggling not to lose your humanity while a metaphysical beast within you is constantly fighting to be let loose on their "prey" (humans). It's slogan is quite literally "a beast I am, lest a Beast I become."
Or, less weirdly phrased, "I control the monster, so as not to BECOME a monster."

[tawny sand]

man, i have no hope for vtm bloodlines 2

i mean i hope i'm surprised by it, but it's been in dev hell forever

speaking of vtm i mean

i loved the original bloodlines

[twilit mountain]

I'm holding some shred of hope to it because they delayed it with a good amount of forewarning while saying outright it wasn't ready

[tawny sand]

🤞

i'm playing Armored Core 6 again, and they must've made it a bit easier cause I really struggled with it on launch but i'm doing progressing pretty well so far this time

got past a boss i couldn't beat at launch first try this time

🤷

[desert jasper]

They did nerf some things if I remember it right

[tawny sand]

ah i see

i'm more or less going for the same build i did last time too, lightweight reverse joint build

balteus cooked me at launch, got past it easily this time

[rich badger]

Who is this handsome devil?

[hollow coral]

Senpai Dreadful appreciates your build 😳

[fierce moth]

https://www.reddit.com/r/architecture/comments/1ju9qu8/ai_will_never_can_craft_voxel_architecture_models/
hhhhh glad to see still many people likes them even they never play le or poe 2.
But yeah, I realize what I like the best isn't game themselves, it's architectures in games if it's more clear.

[fierce moth]

you guess it right. Cool!

I hope I can see Judd's face appear more on the public though

[fierce moth]

To tell the truth, I like this thing in US. Different license plates from different states, they formed an unique scene.

Chinese plates just under chaos, very ugly.

[junior oyster]

Not an American but when I see those number plates I'm trying really hard to guess when the car was produced/released.

Here in the UK you can do that without much problem with exception to private plates

[twilit mountain]

AFAIK it's actually completely irrelevant

[junior oyster]

Tbf from that pic it looks like they do have dates

But not in the number plate itself rather in the corner

Something I probably never realised till now

[twilit mountain]

The thing in the corner is registration I think? That gets updated every so often and requires an inspection and whatnot

[junior oyster]

Oh

[candid sage]

this is correct

[sweet blade]

Yep. At least in the state where I live, you can have 1- or 2-year registrations, and you replace the license plate once every 10 years.

Also, there is basically no information encoded into the license plate number itself.

[maiden widget]

Plates also don't show car production here in Germany - you only see inspections

[fierce moth]

Is it free? definitely not :(

The speed of withdrawing balance from patreon to paypal just amazing... I need to wait 10 business days :(

[fierce moth]

Use one of results and recommended prompt to generate a video. Well no idea what this video want to show... 🤔 But it remind me of how to make my videos don't look be generated by AI too... I must tell a story

[gilded elm]

~2% away from Mostly Negative. Today might be the day lol

[sweet blade]

This is brutal... It started at Mostly Positive on release of 0.2, right?

[gilded elm]

Not sure, but the All Reviews was at Very Positive at least.

So that's probably the case.

[sweet blade]

And we are getting the TT interview soon... oh boy.

[gilded elm]

Why is it so hard for them to just admit they were stupid and tone deaf and that they're wrong instead of trying to overanalyze and nitpick specific areas in act 3. This problem transcends act 3 areas lol. It's almost like they kinda doubled down on the gaslighting by simply not acknowledging they're wrong about the whole thing, not just in act 3 lol

[sweet blade]

Well... playing Devil's Advocate here... it they are looking at Act 3 areas (presumably shrinking them), that might ALSO shrink the map layouts that use the same tilesets... so it might be slightly better.

[sweet blade]

And... honestly, GGG very rarely admits that they were wrong, in any event.

[gilded elm]

I don't think that act 3 and act 2 areas for example, share tilesets

There's definitely quite a few areas in act 2 as well that are just really big.

But yeah act 3 tilesets used in maps, maybe

[sweet blade]

Sure, and I didn't say that that would fix all map areas... just Act 3... yeah.

And that's giving GGG the benefit of the doubt, when I don't really want to do so.

I'm hoping that the Tombs in Season 2 don't face the same backlash of how huge they are, because we know that they're large.

I would like to think that immediate tangible rewards for completing them will blunt any issue, but it is a concern.

[gilded elm]

If they make it worth your time, yeah probably not a big concern

Kinda the crux of PoE2 really

PoE2 doesn't respect your time.

LE just has to avoid that mistake lol

[sweet blade]

It's not just 'doesn't respect your time'... they 'actively spit on you for wanting them to respect your time'.

[gilded elm]

lol yeah basically

"So what you're saying is, the game is still kinda fun? We can fix that"

[sweet blade]

There's so many levels of pain in that statement...

[vivid axle]

PoE2 areas are generally too large, but I hope they don't shrink them overmuch. I felt like Echoes in LE were too small, I didn't really have time to get stuck into a rhythm of blasting

[sweet blade]

Someone needs to do a video of this entire deal using Gladiator clips, because so many apply...

[gilded elm]

I kinda like the size of echos personally

[sweet blade]

I actually don't mind the size of any area... I'm not really a blaster in ARPGs... but when you combine large maps with slog combat... it takes a toll.

[gilded elm]

The time you spend vs what you get out of it is ultimatley what matters though IMO

[vivid axle]

Yeah, there's a balance to be struck. If we had the mobility of PoE2 in Echoes, it'd be fine. Meanwhile, this map size would be fine in PoE1 because you're so zoomy

[gilded elm]

Yeah, PoE2 map sizes with PoE1 zoominess would be a non-issue, agree

[vivid axle]

And a different balance still is that Grim Dawn has obviously one giant, non-changing map, despite not being very mobile, because the focus is more on exploration and finding hidden areas.

[gilded elm]

I actually like Grim Dawn's approach to having a fixed campaign world.

I don't feel campaign needs to be procedural lol

[ebon meadow]

There's no zoom in Poe 2 lol and with echos it depends how u clear them if u doing just the objective it takes very small time and I can discuss it's fastert that doing a Poe 1 map boss and leave the map without clearing rest if u don't care for loot

Like for example the beacon echoes like just go to the place and have 1 min combat u done

[sweet blade]

I'm just so... exhausted by everything about PoE2.

[gilded elm]

That's most people I think, Steam reviews seems to agree too

[ebon meadow]

I do think the issue here in Poe 2 is removing the movements skills mostly dashes and blinks and implementing a space roll/dodge

[vivid axle]

Yeah, not a huge fan of that, I like to spend 5-10 minutes on a map or so. Long enough to get some good fighting done, but not so long that it gets stale

[ebon meadow]

As long as nothing creates a feeling that if u don't clear 90% of zone u are missing loot generation from that zone it's fine

If u need XP then u should clear

[sweet blade]

One would think that you'd do something like 'Spacebar dodge-rolls while a Rare or Unique enemy is in your presence, and otherwise it's a traversal skill'...

[ebon meadow]

I was thought and learned never to leave the map untill the screen on right says under 50 monsters left

One mob u can kill can be a mirror an devine etc etc

It can be a t0 unique

I do same in le and don't leave the echo untill bar is filled

[vivid axle]

See I don't understand that, if a random mob might drop something crazy, ANY random mob might drop something crazy, even in the next map. Doesn't really make a difference.

[ebon meadow]

Now imagine clearing like that in Poe 2 it's dumb it breaks the play in an ARPG to me idk

[sweet blade]

My brother works this way (even in campaign zones in both games), and I don't mind it... until he starts complaining that other people are doing better than he is, and I point out to him that he's not being very efficient. He doesn't like that. 😉

[ebon meadow]

Yes and that right loot apart from specific one can be generated by any mob

[sweet blade]

You are correct in probability theory... all that matters is number and quality of mob killed per unit time. Assuming an adequate RNG. Alas, sometimes other factors intrude.

[ebon meadow]

Yea I agree it's not efficient but that where u need to find a sweet spot for it to become efficient ,it's same as like I see people say they get no loot first I ask how much do u clear ? How fast do u clear ,what loot filter u using for not to stop and read every item that is dropping

It's basicly experience and experience layers

I m not efficient my self because I use generic filter and read bases that can be good for other characters instead of what I am playing

[sweet blade]

Something like that... I'm generally thinking about playing PoE1 and I'm in Act 3 while he's in Act 1 and the fast people are in Act 8 or 9 (oh, who am I kidding, maps), and he whines about how they can be so much faster.

[ebon meadow]

They don't stop for loot ,they only pick up rather white bases or exact gear that is max tier for their character

[sweet blade]

Oh, I'm well aware. My brother, meanwhile, thinks that they're all cheating. 😉

[ebon meadow]

U can play wole campaign by just getting good base forma vendor

[sweet blade]

And I wish that I was joking when I say that.

[ebon meadow]

My fully explained campaign with breaks is 12 hours my campaign time playing solo with a build I am familiar with is 6 hrs 20 mints

I think I have managed one on Maura with ground slam in 5:47

[last cedar]

"I dont understand the problem with 0.2.0 I cleared all of campaign under 7 hours it wasn't even hard" comments like these gotta be ragebait

[sweet blade]

Or a ridiculous amount of RMT.

[last cedar]

has to be... no freaking way

[sweet blade]

If my campaign time is under 10 hours, I'm doing VERY well.

[ebon meadow]

Nah it's usually the people that don't know there's a game after campaign

This is why we have a meme that campaign in Poe1 is the actual demo of the game

[last cedar]

Wait until you make it to endgame

[ebon meadow]

It's a meme with a base , campaign there should never be taken as the game it's just to help u understand how game work later

[sweet blade]

I call bullshit on anyone saying that they did a 7-hr. campaign in 0.2.0.

[ebon meadow]

After u did that 100 times u don't need to stop for anything apart from upgrades

[last cedar]

yeah its all BS

no way bro under 7 hrs?

unless you had crazy prep time and know the map layouts like the back of your hand

[sweet blade]

In PoE1, okay, you're a good player... and MAYBE you could do that with a group in PoE2, but it's just too slog....

[last cedar]

but maps change sometimes which is annoying

[sweet blade]

And IIRC GGG deliberately did not put signposts into their zones to help people move along, which PoE1 has all over the place.

[last cedar]

maybe in due time the poe 2 campaign maps will be way smaller....

[sweet blade]

Maybe... I doubt that they'll do anything substantial.

[ebon meadow]

We used to have a web for campaign layouts in Poe1 and a lot of people were actually using it ,we love our spreadsheets lol

[last cedar]

we have no idea how much of a slug act4-act6 will be too....

[ebon meadow]

I just like leveling new characters and trying things I learned it hard way

With ggg is we know that if they break acts in 2 parts just make the missions slightly different and the passing thru zones a bit different it's going to be very easy

[sweet blade]

One would hope GGG would learn something about new areas, if not fixing old areas.

[ebon meadow]

Act 1 and 6 is the longest ones they then scale to faster

Solaris and Lunaris acts take like 20 mint if u know the pathing

[last cedar]

Im kinda annoyed it took them this long to realize that crap

[ebon meadow]

They wanted to make an "open world " simular to D4 but they forgot that the world has to have objectives to do so ,events ,random spawn bosses that can drop spatial loot etc

Like what is the point making it so big ? So I explore whole zone ? Then u should have main objective to shuffle places and not be static like exits and for example the tree that Sin was hanged on

Btw hoping we get to see his brother in future acts

Always have been so weird to me that the light brother is the one that got corrupted instead of the dark one that like beasts lol

[sweet blade]

Innocence didn't really get corrupted.

And I somehow doubt we'll see Innocence.

[ebon meadow]

We should do right ? I know it was before Poe 1 so we might see him how he got trapped in that temple

And yea he wasn't really get corrupted just some sort of brain wash

[sweet blade]

Not even brainwash... Innocence is exactly the way he is as seen in PoE1. Arguably, historically, he was worse. KCN has a very good video about it.

[ebon meadow]

Wasn't he trapped in Bannons body untill we save him ?

Well untill we get his staff

I was like who is KCN ,kitcatnoodles right ?

[crisp onyx]

because 2 steps back and 1 step forward is the way

[sweet blade]

No... as he was a God, he was put to sleep by the Beast, and awoke in High Templar Avarius once the Beast was slain.

[crisp onyx]

like nerf everything 90% then buff everything 100% 'look guys its a buff'

and never give concrete numbers

[sweet blade]

'This is a buff.' (tm)

[crisp onyx]

did you see what happened when they showed actual rates on recombs?

its better if players dont know rates are atrocious

[sweet blade]

Mm, I don't agree with that statement.

[crisp onyx]

make an argument

side note, i'm glad now they write 'overcapped instead of uncapped' makes it much easier to undestands

[sweet blade]

You shouldn't hide numbers from your players if it gives them more agency over the game.

[crisp onyx]

ah

this was sarcasm

cuz it was first time on my memory ggg actually showed number

[sweet blade]

Ah. Pardon if I'm overly-serious.

[crisp onyx]

np

[vivid axle]

Yeah, I really don't like games that obfuscate information

[sweet blade]

Yep. Not saying GGG is XCOM levels... but that's isn't exactly a high bar to clear.

[crisp onyx]

xcom does it too?

i dont remember

[sweet blade]

XCOM is notorious for lying about the probabilities for hitting things.

[last cedar]

Tri interview in 5 mins

[sweet blade]

I won't give him the views.

[last cedar]

😂

[crisp onyx]

all i remember from xcom are misses right in the face on neighboring cells

[sweet blade]

Yep.

[crisp onyx]

i will

[crisp onyx]

still solid game

first one

fk second one with time missions

[sweet blade]

Good, well, I hope that you can summarize.

[sweet blade]

Yeah, part of the frustration with XCOM is that it's a very good game... and has that in it.

[crisp onyx]

gib link

[last cedar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9LGbTWMYLc

[ebon meadow]

What did Tri do ? He is ok cc

[crisp onyx]

scam

interview is in hour

[last cedar]

bruhhhh