📚┃off-topic

[crisp onyx]

most of poe1 leagues dont require that much dev time

[ebon meadow]

They not doing that

[crisp onyx]

its mostly recycled content

[ebon meadow]

At least to very long future

They want the games run separately

They have enough power now to do so

[sweet blade]

IMO, that remains to be seen, depending on what you mean by power.

[ebon meadow]

Le Will mostly never overcome Poe 1 but very easily can Poe 2 in my eyes

[crisp onyx]

they are under tencent now

they dont have power

[crisp onyx]

depends

poe 2 is very pretty and mostly smooth

[ebon meadow]

They do ,they have tencent founds and what ever they can make them selfs witch is a lot

[crisp onyx]

graphically and graphic design wise its steps ahead of LE

i dont think LE catches up any time soon

poe 1 is steps ahead content wise

and if s2 is as big as i think it is

LE will sooner catch up in content than in graphics

[sweet blade]

Their logistical support is very poor for this endeavor, though. They are having issues developing both games, even if that is only the inability to correctly prioritize

[ebon meadow]

For me best seasons to expect from le is 4-6

[queen fiber]

Well they don't need to compete with each other really. Ehg has shown that it's willing to back down

[amber vault]

I wonder how long GGG will stick to their vision. I guess a lot depends on the 17th. If they have good player numbers till that day and drop below LE, maybe even PoE1 on that day, they might have an emergency board meeting.

[ebon meadow]

I m sure they cooking the team has grown very big

[crisp onyx]

so far i dont think they added anything bad to the game

just dev is slow

[sweet blade]

Honestly, the events of the last week make me doubt GGG will do any course correction.

[queen fiber]

If LE can alternate with poe1 in seasons that will be a huge success already

[crisp onyx]

we will see if LE develop their kind of 'vision' or 'meaningful combat' up to season 4-6

[sweet blade]

I frankly don't want PoE2 style 'meaningful combat' in LE, at least as currently demonstrated.

[crisp onyx]

ggg has a history of being very stubborn and deaf to feedback

[ebon meadow]

True but we have to consider that tencent did not add team to the games just some founds so they development is still laying out on a team that put passion instead of we need to cover this spend

[crisp onyx]

i mean it could be good

[sweet blade]

I guess.

[crisp onyx]

if rest of the game is not poe1

if you want me to combo rare for 30 second loot should be damn worth it

like 20x of current idk

and maps should be /5 of current size

and monsters should eb slower

etc

[sweet blade]

I would stop playing if LE became like PoE2 0.2.

I have nothing against more thoughtful combat. Just that what GGG is doing doesn't work there.

[crisp onyx]

they sold their share, if tencent says to do something they do

[amber vault]

I remember playing PoE1 for the first time in 2013 and I hated it, but a few years later I loved it.

PoE1 wouldn't be so good without all the changes they made because of people asking for it. They do take way too long before they listen, but they did in the end

[crisp onyx]

what poe currently doing is not meaningful combat its abomination

thats the problem

[sweet blade]

The difference is that it is increasingly clear that GGG make compromises with their player base to gain market share with PoE1. They have been very consistent and clear that PoE2 is the game that they always wanted to make.

[crisp onyx]

archnem kalandra and 3.15 are here to prove my point

[sweet blade]

I agree, hence why I said 'as it is now'.

[crisp onyx]

AH was impemented solely because of LE

would never be if only ppl asked for it

[abstract karma]

they always wanted to make bullet hell with rng crafting system ?

[sweet blade]

Hard to know for sure, but LE probably had at least some influence.

[crisp onyx]

honestly after poe2 i thinks its not genious of ggg but luck that poe 1 is so good

except design team

their design team is top notch

[sweet blade]

According to their own statements, yes.

[crisp onyx]

this. first it was ruthless now its poe 2

[crisp onyx]

i think its very clear tell

hence they said it themselves on interview

[sweet blade]

Did they? Curious. I thought it was a combination of LA and the need for a gold sink.

[crisp onyx]

tight after LE

something along the lines 'we cant afford to not have it cuz other games have it'

basically if there is not competition they can afford to fk you over

[sweet blade]

Well then, that's the poster child for having competition. 👍

[crisp onyx]

i think it was with ziggyd but dont quote me

[sweet blade]

Interesting that that wasn't their take vs. D3 with PoE1 back in the day, as it was their main competitor back then, no?

[crisp onyx]

also they tried to add more deterministic crafting to poe2 LE style

but scrapped it

urge for rng casino was to strong i guess

[sweet blade]

The fact that there is no crafting bench in PoE2 is the single biggest turn off for me. Even more than the 0.2 combat system.

[crisp onyx]

idk, maybe LE launch numbers made a dent?

• it was marketed* as game that fixes all poe shortcomings

basically poe but with ppl feedback implemented

[sweet blade]

More by implication, but I will grant you that.

[crisp onyx]

yeah thats why i put * here

[hollow coral]

They wrote people but meant "not players, only top GGG people"

Easy

[ebon meadow]

Yep the reason i actually found Poe back in 2014 is because it was what D3 should of been xd

[sweet blade]

Not sure I agree, but okay. 😁

[hollow coral]

We might see a repeat of that with PoE2 and LE

[broken harness]

yup

[hollow coral]

Lots of people discovering LE because of how misguided PoE2 is in what players want

[pine basalt]

we already knew it was ruthless 2.0 in 2018

yes people denied it, but it's still true

[broken harness]

i remember playing kalandra and while it had issues (no loot the first week) they ended up fixing it and i did 40/40 on my LC elementalist in SSF

[pine basalt]

40/40 ssf that's a big GG !

[hollow coral]

I just want a game to be fun and respectful of my time

[pine basalt]

sadly isn't it the same for LE ?

[ebon meadow]

That is lot in ssf yea

[pine basalt]

THIS !!!

[hollow coral]

Use the suggestions channels below

[pine basalt]

You can "suggest", they can just answer "lol nope"

If i ask for faster exp i'll be stoned to end of time like panon

[broken harness]

yeah i did large parts of early acts with 0% movespeed on boots because every time i found boots with MS they sucked so ended up just wearing HP + res boots and while in poe1 i could bench craft MS in poe 2 i can seethe and cope because runes are just inferior also back then you could only socket one and that was it

[hollow coral]

I dunno, Mike's reply to my suggestions is often "I'd like that too" or "We're working on something related"

[hollow coral]

If you got good suggestion then Mike is 100% gonna agree with it

[broken harness]

ty

[pine basalt]

What i am trying to say, is my suggestion is for the 0.0000001%, nobody care about ssf hc multi alts

[ebon meadow]

New generations of people coming in they can relate but untill u can show those hard grinds of hours and hours bashing heads like in D2 even Poe players can't complain today become we have variety of mechanics for same goal

[broken harness]

based af

[hollow coral]

Yea, tough luck with that

[vagrant topaz]

So you mean SAF HC ?

Not SCF

[pine basalt]

what is "good" ? it change depending sc / hc / solo / hight corruption / casual / mg

[pine basalt]

it's the same basically

[broken harness]

i never played D2 and i probably never will, it seems to me like half of the enjoyment for people is just nostalgia

[ebon meadow]

Nobody cares about HC to start with unless u are dedicated player TBF

Yes we all are but we also know the issues of playing that mod

[vagrant topaz]

Well LE has the distintion between Solo Account and Solo Charater

[hollow coral]

I asked Mike if there's plans to make Shattering items more user friendly cause it's kinda like stirring the pot at the moment and he said he agrees and that they're working on it

[pine basalt]

i heard the "Median mod" was really good for D2, but REALLY HARD

[vagrant topaz]

Pretty big difference if you plan on making alts

[broken harness]

what does it do?

[ebon meadow]

It is u not wrong but the nostalgia comes from mechanics we know that work

[crisp onyx]

honey moon phase. i told so

[hollow coral]

Tons of good PoE2 sentiment was carried by the actual next-gen graphics

[crisp onyx]

holy, you are resilient one. hopefully they get their shit together at launch

[hollow coral]

It's like good looking person, you will look past a lot of bad

[broken harness]

a friend of mine keeps talking about how grim dawn is just the best game in human history and i tried it and it was meh, i wonder if my friend is trolling me because i have never seen him play it only talk about playing

[hollow coral]

But eventually it's the heart that counts, not the looks

[broken harness]

for sure yes

[hollow coral]

That's why potato looking LE has my heart 😊

[broken harness]

nah i am not that resilient i just really enjoyed my build tbh

[sweet blade]

Grim Dawn does have things going for it. I can't really get into it. But it is pretty good.

[ebon meadow]

Well complete game to play without new stuff and with mods probably not very wrong

[pine basalt]

A friend who only D4, i ask him to come test LE, he just said "nah graphism"

[hollow coral]

It might not win any beauty contests but it has juice in all the right places 😊

[broken harness]

mods are such a cool thing

[hollow coral]

Ok, being into Grim Dawn is kinda like being into gilfs

[ebon meadow]

It's a complete good game it's good but not the best ,just for the fact all ARPG players like different stuff

[sweet blade]

Graphism?

[crisp onyx]

basically if they agree with you its implemented, if they dont, you need big number of ppl to agree with you
wasd is your example. they told they will not implement it and here we are

[hollow coral]

He will eventually yearn for more than just good looks 🙏

[pine basalt]

Like Pvt. Vlad ? yeah he's helpfull and know so much builds / tips (don't mention secret Bee-Shark and Bee-teor tech)

[broken harness]

i can think of endless examples of this happening especially celebrities both online and offline, acting like complete psychopaths but people will love them no matter what

[broken harness]

it just feels so damn slow

[ebon meadow]

Ok offline thing has it's issue with altering gameplay for people

[pine basalt]

i feel like an alien when you say "gameplay > pixels"

[hollow coral]

EHG didn't want to send shards straight to stash either, but look at what one of the top QoL features mentioned in trailer is now

[ebon meadow]

I had biss gear on mage in D3 on ps realise in 3 days just because I could

[hollow coral]

Yeah, until they don't, there's only so much you can look past with a rotten apple served to you for lunch

[broken harness]

lmao i mean modding games is always a huge blessing but obviously not something you can really do with an online game

[pine basalt]

Grim Dawn ? for sure, depending on build / late game can be fast

[crisp onyx]

can he make sentinel build for me?

[pine basalt]

that's his Specialty !

[ebon meadow]

Depending on what it goal is for the build he probably could lol

[hollow coral]

I was gaming at a time when pixels were the same size as Lego bricks

[crisp onyx]

it should delete abberoth

[pine basalt]

yeah, only for skins, and it's against TOS in LE

[crisp onyx]

and be warpath ofc

other skills dont exist

[broken harness]

well the single player side of LE could have mods

[crisp onyx]

what was your first pc game?

[ebon meadow]

I member what intervention was on the league ?

[hollow coral]

https://youtu.be/59UTE_8XFd8?t=347

[crisp onyx]

give me

[ebon meadow]

one 10" pixel ment death

[sweet blade]

I love my Forged Weapons. I'm even thinking of playing Vengeance just to see if it works there. 🙂

[hollow coral]

First game wasn't on PC, but first PC games I remember were the first few Commander Keens and Prince of Persia 1

[pine basalt]

i don't like when they run behind the mob attacking in air and missing ....

[ebon meadow]

Prince of percia for me

[crisp onyx]

nice one. mine was this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starshatter
top notch graphics at that time

[hollow coral]

But the first game I ever played was... lemme find a link... https://freejetpac.org/

[sweet blade]

I just love how the build tends to delete bosses, compared to most of my other builds. 😉

[pine basalt]

or the scam copy :: Rince of Russia

[crisp onyx]

accidentally posted sequel

[crisp onyx]

my very first one was some helicopters scroller on dendy but i will not be able to find its name

[ebon meadow]

The fact that I have played it on win95 and In Russian reclute office scares the guess

[pine basalt]

true they get up in my regard when they delete the Boss ^^ iam like "hey kids you're not so bad....

[pine basalt]

I . SEE . YOU

[sweet blade]

I've never had much luck with Manifest Armor, but the Weapons? Lovely. 🙂

[ebon meadow]

Mu grandma used to work there lmao

[crisp onyx]

fargus detected

[ebon meadow]

Nintendo mortal combat that was the game that made video games for me I think it was 3 or 4

Also TMNT

[crisp onyx]

prob 3

[ebon meadow]

Mario can suck my ass on Nintendo with dificulty

[crisp onyx]

i had 3 at least and it was most popular i think

[ebon meadow]

It was a Ness

Witchever was the one to have the spinning Samurai

I think it's 3

[hollow coral]

Nintendo is smart, they make stuff for kids and parents foot the bill

That way you can release subpar hardware with overpriced software and no one complains

[crisp onyx]

it was the case

nowadays ppl buy it for themselves not for kids

just because nintendo brand

prob kids who grew up with it

[hollow coral]

I'd argue you would mistake those adults for kids in an online interaction (as in if you didn't see them irl)

[ebon meadow]

Mario is still kicking

Crash probably have a big community

[crisp onyx]

i will not argue that

[hollow coral]

It needs special kind of person to pay hand over fist for Nintendo and then ignore your purchases being sent to shadow realm and having to rebuy 30 years old games for $40

Not only Nintendo actively removes all your old games, they go to war with people trying to preserve them so they can sell them to you again

[pine basalt]

Back in my days.... we were really bad at video-games, game-play and latency was high, as kids i was really bad, now they are pro

i remember getting wrekt by this one :

[hollow coral]

Game Gear

I remember seeing it in some old movie, looked cool as heck

[hollow coral]

Reality = it ate $10 of disposable batteries for every 4 hours session

[pine basalt]

stay silent and buy the New Swich 2, don't think, buy it !

[hollow coral]

I'd rather buy Deck 2 and emulate all the Nintendos

Btw the Cyberpunk footage on new Switch is so fake

They want us to believe that it's gonna run better than PS4 version with half the FLOPS?

Seriously

[broken harness]

mine was original starcraft

[pine basalt]

here we go conspiracy to bad-mouth Nintendo :p "Nintendo Ninja assassins lawyers want to know your place"

[hollow coral]

*TFLOPS

[hollow coral]

I think the liberties they took are gonna result in a lot of bad sentiment on launch

[pine basalt]

Sure but this is "Nintendo", like POE they can poop it'll still sell

[hollow coral]

Yea

Glad I can just emulate the games to see what all the fuss is about

[pine basalt]

You're angry at first, then 1 year later you buy it cause all your friends did

[pine basalt]

This is the Way !

[hollow coral]

Ngl, all the stuff I played on my PC was kind of a letdown

[pine basalt]

i was too late for ryujinx :x wanna test 2 exclusivity

[ebon meadow]

I put my meber under a blade but Nintendo will never be as graphical as PS

Xbox can screw it self u emulating Windows anyways

Nintendo has it's own thing with comfy games and graphics they can play around finished mechanics and smooth gameplay stick to that

I would like to play valheim on Nintendo bit it would still need keyboard and mouse

[hollow coral]

The new Zelda? Yikes, PS2 game with PS3's cinematic 15 FPS framerate

I think Microsoft can really shake things up and come out with subsidized console that dual boots into Windows

"Mom, I need a computer for school! How about this Microsoft box, it also doubles as a console!"

I'm saying Microsft branded Steam Deck console

Oh, Last Epoch isn't available on consoles? Oh, so bad... glad I got this dualboot functionality

[ebon meadow]

Less than 24 hours after that we overcloaked it

Xd

[hollow coral]

Sure, it's your box, go ham

You will probably trigger e-fuse and lose warranty, but that's up to you

[ebon meadow]

Yep bit still consumers will brake the thing that we have

It's a good thing but bad for market

[hollow coral]

What is bad?

[ebon meadow]

That we have acces to things that we can fix from reading forums when we have no idea what we doing

[hollow coral]

That's why you read up on it on the forums, no?

[ebon meadow]

Yes but it's not same as for let's say product service and that's why there's no warranty after u alterated the product

As a consumer I agree as a seller I agree to

That's the bad loop

And that's aside from any factor that can alternate things for profit

I m in the cloud world here where everyone is a saint and money don't exist

End of the day Nintendo exist from old players because of nostalgia and secondary grabbing new players that they sell to because they have complete games that work not many buggs but neither updates

It's a steady ground like ps used to be before

They will always have they own market

For me there's no point of having a console today ,why ? I can play same games and more on a pc and only sacrifice is 60 stable FPS ? I can deal with that even in shooters

[sweet blade]

Kinda felt that way since the 80s, honestly. 🙂

[ebon meadow]

Portable console ,ok

[crisp onyx]

its not only that, games were pretty hard actually like 1-3 lives for whole game

still didnt beat mickey mouse

[ebon meadow]

Mine was around 98-99

My country had some issues lol

[sweet blade]

Well, yeah, and I want to make clear that I might be in one of the oldest groups of lifelong players. I grew up with an Atari and IntelliVision in the house, and a Commodore 64 (later Amiga) by age 8, I'm pretty sure.

[crisp onyx]

consoles are thing of the past, when you couldnt have pc and internet was dial-up

[pine basalt]

But he beats you xD

[ebon meadow]

I still can't find the sniper game I played on my godfather comouter because I can't remember the year I was playing

Around 2002

[crisp onyx]

i was introduced to games at age of 7

although at a very limited capacity

[sweet blade]

Same. I loved those blocky graphics.

[ebon meadow]

That voice can give nightmares lmao

[sweet blade]

... gah, this conversation is making me feel so old..

[crisp onyx]

i think i'm younger than you, was not around at the time of commodore. i think it was ps2 age

[ebon meadow]

And the way that scene painting it holy BUSINESS has it's own ways no matter age

[sweet blade]

Yeah, you are, by quite a bit, I'd say. 🙂

[ebon meadow]

Probably like 12 years younger than me lo I m from 91

[sweet blade]

Decent guess. 🙂

[crisp onyx]

cant be commodore is 82 so you are probably around 50?

well ye its still a decent gap xd

[sweet blade]

I'll give you a hint... I bought a PS1 when I was in college so I could play FF7.

[crisp onyx]

so around 50 prob a bit younger

like 47 or so

[ebon meadow]

Hmm 76 or 79

[crisp onyx]

93 here

still have time to crash out of thirties into middle age crisis

[sweet blade]

And the weird thing is that most people think I'm... at least a decade younger? One person late last year literally thought I was half my actual age, and I just gawked. (I do look young, so I like asking people to guess my age.)

[ebon meadow]

2 years younger than me it's fine we still in good age gap

[sweet blade]

Never really happened to me.

[crisp onyx]

in internet its your hobbies most likely irl you rly dont look your age prob

although if i get myself in shape i wont look 30 too

makes me wonder if this server is on the older side

[ebon meadow]

I shave my beard and people ask me for my ID on tobacco

[sweet blade]

More like my personality. I definitely act like an idiot often enough. 😉

[ebon meadow]

It is very flattering

[crisp onyx]

same but i need to wear a hat too

balding gives age away xd

[sweet blade]

Nice. Yeah, I can shave off a decade along with my hair.

[hollow coral]

If you ain't getting carded buying alcohol at 35, you ain't making it past 50

[sweet blade]

Not particularly. My uncle would win prizes for us at 'guess your age' games at fairs because he was totally bald, basically, by 28.

[pine basalt]

rookie numbers

[ebon meadow]

Zipping on light bud right now wdum

[crisp onyx]

looking at my relatives i will have completely naked crown at like 40

but sides will have bushes

[sweet blade]

Yeah, it's my mom's family.

[hollow coral]

A guy in Uni had a horseshoe baldspot at 23, like oldschool bald with hair on the sides but nothing on top

[ebon meadow]

The worst part for me is it's the same people that know me for 20+ years lmao it's so dumb how we change on a shave

[crisp onyx]

not that bad yet

if i shave head its hard to tell i'm balding

[hollow coral]

Btw I think that horseshoe looks kinda good

I could rock it

[ebon meadow]

I have a close friend that started building on age of 13 gwntecs are bad

[sweet blade]

Yeah. For me, it's more that I'm starting to go gray in my beard more than anything else. I went back to college for a better degree when I was 32 or so, and everyone thought I was a typical college-age kid.

[ebon meadow]

And there I am like a Jesus

[crisp onyx]

funny, i have red beard

with hairline being pale

[ebon meadow]

Now that is a thing I don't like gray beard looks odd

And I have same issue

[pine basalt]

When you are not good at english and mix Bold and Bald :

[sweet blade]

Yeah, I don't like it, either, but... there it is. My twin brother generally keeps his beard... I think one reason is that his wife wants to make him look older so that they look closer in age. (Which is understandable.)

[ebon meadow]

Orlando Bald?

[crisp onyx]

you can use hair trimmer

its faster and easier than shaving

and doesnt give you inflamations

[sweet blade]

Yeah, I'm fairly indifferent, so I'm not too worried. I focus more on the fact that I don't really feel different, inside, so I know I'm still me. If that makes sense.

[broken harness]

https://youtu.be/8WMFhnlEZK0

remember this?

because i do

[pine basalt]

Or you can don't giving a s*** because you are already beautifull and you play LE ; )

[broken harness]

flex

[ebon meadow]

Not 3 years ago

Almost though

[crisp onyx]

yes, he still tried to sugarcoat it, but the more stream goes the more irritated he is

[broken harness]

the talkative tri glazing is kinda crazy rn

he got the good copium

[crisp onyx]

cant digest him, too fanboyish

[broken harness]

i think when he talks about things in a more objective way its fine

but yeah the fanboy behavior is a bit annoying

but to be fair i only feel that way because i am currently unhappy with the game

[sweet blade]

Beautiful is never a word someone has used about me unless they wanted something from me. 😉

[crisp onyx]

usually same, i do it when it becomes uncomfortable. overall i rarely need to leave home so it doesnt matter much

[pine basalt]

Ofc they are jealous about what they don't have ^^

[crisp onyx]

never saw him being objective but i didnt saw him much either

[broken harness]

tbh i am okay with most poe creators

i am not all that harsh on them

[sweet blade]

He is certainly the biggest shill (and I actually don't mean that very pejoratively) for PoE. Maybe it's just his personality, because I think he did speak well of LE as well.

[pine basalt]

a lost it at "i'll tell you how i FEEL" xD

[crisp onyx]

it irks me a bit how they try to sugarcoat it.

[broken harness]

considering what kind of people you find in other circles online, these guys just have weird takes on game balance its honestly harmless

[crisp onyx]

"this patch has good and bad"

proceeds to have misserable time

i understand its their money

but cmon

be honest

[broken harness]

he might be honest, just honestly wrong

[pine basalt]

I never watch "big" content creator, then iam like "why my build is so bad now ?" then you check "got nerfed" ><"

[broken harness]

i do not think hes a liar

[sweet blade]

I was actually impressed that sirgog had a video this morning where he had 'issues with Huntress' in the THUMBNAIL. That speaks volumes.

[broken harness]

he just seems a bit naive

a lot like me about 5 years ago tbh

[crisp onyx]

most likely not personality but persona he makes of himself online

[pine basalt]

POE is n° creator of " Stockolm syndrom" in the world

[crisp onyx]

not neccessarily shill for poe

[ebon meadow]

Who s that ?

[pine basalt]

see ? Stockolm

[sweet blade]

Mm, maybe... I don't like lightly using such terminology.

[crisp onyx]

its pretty clear sugarcoating. its easy to see when you are trying to find positives when there rnt that many

[ebon meadow]

Rolling a smoke and I don't have my dkn pc now and missing the point lol

[crisp onyx]

technically he isnt lying

but only technically

[broken harness]

do not forget about league of legends glazers that will accuse you of skill issue for having quit the game because its stressful and toxic

[sweet blade]

Also, Dreamcore's '3 biggest buffs and 3 biggest nerfs in 0.2.0' video was lowkey BRUTAL, because the third biggest buff he listed was for the mobs. As in, they're getting harder.

[pine basalt]

isn't it basic "youtube" "content creator" thing ? like "omg if i tell negativ / things i don't like i'll be put away

[broken harness]

ye its copium

as i said i think he is naive

i do not think he is lying

[sweet blade]

So basically he's just a rosy optimist? I almost wish I could be that way.

[broken harness]

yeah lmao

ignorance can be bliss

once again could point at so many other examples of this in life 😅

if we do not know about problems and we do not see them coming

they will only affect us once they are here

until then we can be happy

just make sure to shoot the messenger

[sweet blade]

Oh yeah... so prevalent these days. Everywhere.

[broken harness]

😔

[crisp onyx]

https://youtu.be/YAqZs8tQq8U
every live service game

[crisp onyx]

it feels like it is, and i dont like it

whole 'positivity only' wibe is meh

[sweet blade]

Guh. Don't get me started on toxic positivity. ><

[broken harness]

^

[pine basalt]

What do you think about "positiv personality", like Zizarian, he seems impossible for him "to be mad / angry"

[broken harness]

eh the amount of cope varies a lot and i think league is the worst offender

[sweet blade]

Yiiikes...

[crisp onyx]

dont watch him besides short videos sometimes so idk. if its his real self then good for him i guess

[pine basalt]

same for me i don't watch them can't be sure

[sweet blade]

There's a difference between 'chill' and 'no negatives at all'. Mainly, it differs on how you react to other people trying to express negative things.

[broken harness]

zizaran does not get visibly angry

but he isnt positivity only

he will call things out quite harshly sometimes

see his takes on monetization in games

[crisp onyx]

that sound completely reasonable to me

[crisp onyx]

i think i saw this one and dont quite agree

[broken harness]

he said the stash tab MTX in poe is straight up pay to win but the game is good enough that this small amount of pay to win is fine for him

and i agree

[pine basalt]

yep, if you don't like something should be allowed to say it, without getting wrekt ((hum covenent of dominion hum))

[broken harness]

i wish stash tabs were not microtransactions but to be fair the tabs are way cheaper than skins

[broken harness]

oh yeah lmao those guys...

[abstract karma]

you have 3 types of players

Ragers
These who doesn't make a S...
People which played so many games which made them frustrated that they don't care anymore

[broken harness]

hehe

[pine basalt]

I won't say stash tab are P2W, but i see where it comes from (20$ is enought to play 10k hours in poe)

[broken harness]

i do not understand covenant of dominion balancing it just feels disproportionate

LE is not a one shot game at all

and then you run into one of those guys

[crisp onyx]

it is, you kinda cant play poe without stashes at all

but once you buy it its all good

so its p2w but only 1 time

almost like b2p

[broken harness]

people say just dodge but that is easier said than done when there is a ton going on at once on the screen especially if you play a melee minion build like beastmaster

[abstract karma]

price of stash of PoE was for me something like openning full game price which can eb even sold for discount..
While LE gives you all you get it by paying for "game"

[broken harness]

yeah thats kinda what makes it okay, the f2p is like a demo and then buying the tabs is like buying the game to play it

[ivory swift]

That's factually untrue, I know someone who plays that doesn't use stash tabs. He is used to D4 so the 4 default ones is more then enough for him

[broken harness]

but if anyone remembers the stash trouble in necropolis league oh boy...

[ebon meadow]

How do we explain to those that usually we have a second screen going with a video or a stream along side with that to new people

[crisp onyx]

trade is not available to you which is part of the game

[pine basalt]

i did play poe without stash, but iam not average player (you can test for free ssf), but yeah they are Mandatory if you want to continue

[ivory swift]

He plays SSF

[crisp onyx]

technically you can play without it but it is a handicap

[sweet blade]

SLightly better stated, it's part of the BALANCE of the game.

[broken harness]

the currency exchange market has certainly helped here since the basic tabs you start with cannot be used to trade

[crisp onyx]

which is self imposed challenge

[abstract karma]

you dont..
Current generation of players don't think they just touch the buttons >.> Filling dopamine and then rage that this game sucks

[broken harness]

on one hand its a challenge on the other hand you can focus more on the game itself without having currency and profits on your mind all the time

[pine basalt]

"" i bought all the stash but iam still NOT winning "" skill issue > p2w

[ivory swift]

He doesn't like trading with players because he has to tab out, and most people don't respond, he doesn't sell because he doesn't want to check up the prices. It's more of a casual get to t16 map kind of player

[crisp onyx]

thats just arguing rhetorics

[broken harness]

i have never done merchants guild in LE

i am sometimes a bit curious but having to figure out the entire thing, what items are worth what and if they are worth selling at all, ehhh sounds annoying

[crisp onyx]

but you have much higher chances to succeed if you buy them then if you dont

or game will be easier for you if you will

[ivory swift]

you don't NEED stash tabs, it's just most people will find uses for them

[broken harness]

well back then stash tabs were a requirement for trading, that is no longer the case now

[pine basalt]

it's not higher chance, you NEED those stash because the game becomes unplayable without

[crisp onyx]

same, but LE is much more generous with loot and craft

[broken harness]

true

[ivory swift]

I don't get why people keep talking in absolutes, it's not "unplayable"

[crisp onyx]

but your game will be easier if you buy them, right? thats p2w definition

[broken harness]

sadly i am not seeing a way to get higher LP rare uniques now

😅

that is the one thing where SSF suffers

builds will fall off

in trade you do have more options

[pine basalt]

Try poe, hight level mega loots, with onyl 4 stash => no space for maps, currency, prohecies, cards, essence...... items

[ivory swift]

Pay to win also includes the fact you can keep paying to win more. With stash tabs that's not true

[crisp onyx]

poe2 is not unplayable either. but you should get the sentiment ppl are going for

[crisp onyx]

not necessarily. there are grades to it. you cant rly compare microtrasactions in let say assains creed and gacha games

[ivory swift]

What items and currency? he's not playing to trade, he uses the currency all the time for upgrades, he doesn't collect rare base types or uniques he will never use. Cards and essences are the same thing, why pick it up if your character can't use it?

[crisp onyx]

but both are p2w

[pine basalt]

more corruption ?

[sweet blade]

I presume he meant more or less deterministically, like buying it from the MG.

[ivory swift]

assassin's creed is a whole other mess, the fact there is any microtransactions in a single player game is stupid

[pine basalt]

i agree, but the level of understanding / knowledge needed, + only 1 char

[crisp onyx]

doesnt matter in our context

[pine basalt]

If people still buy it, is it stupid? ;o

[ivory swift]

I say they are stupid

as well*

play games that respect your time

[pine basalt]

wait but but... if they feel good buying solo, if dopamine shot is here?

[ivory swift]

huh?

[crisp onyx]

lets try different way. does stashes save your time?

[abstract karma]

and east got ubisoft sources and whatever else in their 35% share while ubi though they will give just 20% 😄

[broken harness]

yeah true theres huge diminishing returns

[pine basalt]

Stash feels like "Pay to play", but there is always more needed ?

[crisp onyx]

not rly

[broken harness]

well difficulty from corruption scales up linearly while the improved drops are less and less impactful so at a certain point you must play meta to even continue farming which is a shame but i suppose just making more builds playable at that level is a decent fix

[crisp onyx]

once you bough golden standart you are good to go

[ivory swift]

Hopefully Tencent will turn around ubisoft, the other company they created will have all new devs I think.

[pine basalt]

but i paid my stash and never won ! never killed Shaper solo ;'(

[crisp onyx]

like maps+currency+1prem tab

[crisp onyx]

tbh i dont get this sentiment of care for companies

[broken harness]

lmao yeah although i will say i am okay with the idea of DLC
buy game for 50, enjoy game
decide to buy extension to game for 20 to enjoy more

[crisp onyx]

we have enough of them making games

if ubisoft dies, someone else will take their place

[pine basalt]

Because it's relevent, for exemple paradoxe changed and ruined games, that's their moto now, if you don't want 26 DLC you don't buy "paradoxe"

[ivory swift]

It's not a care for the company, it's a care for the IP, I liked assassins creed.... "look what they did to my boy!"

[abstract karma]

while WEST/EU devs got arrogant and thinks they can add anything while it have good graphic, you really dont want EAST to eat all of it because Tencent and others give games most predatory things you can find in gaming being it even single player or online

[crisp onyx]

isnt it better then for ubisoft to die so someone else can pick it up?

[broken harness]

but they keep the intellectual propery of their games and games that are always online could break from the company falling apart

[crisp onyx]

still better chances if they die and sell IP

if its already bad anyway

[broken harness]

only if they fully die and lose the IP and that is most likely not going to happen

it will probably stay on life support while protecting the IP with their life

look at blizzard

that is what they are doing right now

[pine basalt]

Successful always online games shut-down because "muh not enought profit", my beloved Warhammer Online....

[crisp onyx]

i would argue blizzard is not even close on life support

[broken harness]

blizzard killed starcraft and heroes of the storm

and you are not allowed to fix them

[crisp onyx]

thats why they keep their IPs

[ivory swift]

True, but the second best option is to pass it to a sub company so they can rehire a new dev team. I think Tencent is in control of that process, so hopefully it will pan out (might be a fools hope)

[abstract karma]

Hope you dont mind seeeing Asssasing Creed with same monetization of Dying light 2 because that where Tencent bite their shares in big chunk too 😄

[broken harness]

you could also argue that they killed warcraft and overwatch but that is kind of a gray area

[crisp onyx]

cuz they can, if they were eating their last bread they would sell starcraft ip

[broken harness]

so they are currently just losing money on this IP 😔

[crisp onyx]

i dont think i heard good things about tencent, so idk man

[ivory swift]

Tencent owns a decent size share in LE, and 100% of PoE1/2

[ebon meadow]

Mu boomer ass just started to crave chicken wings and some fries lol time to be social for a weekend

[crisp onyx]

more like not using it, than actively losing

[abstract karma]

Well yes but PoE 1 got saved from them by giving east source code to making own version and servers..
Not many games which Tencent hold share have same fate..

[crisp onyx]

iirc not critical mass of LE as for POE, there is a chance POE 2 was rushed cuz of tencent

we will see i guess

[pine basalt]

The chineese poe client with pet taking your currency for you !!!

QOL ? nah carpian problems for you, feel the weight

[crisp onyx]

lmao thats a thing?

[ivory swift]

Yeah, the Chinese client is very much pay to win.

[sweet blade]

Oh yes. The chinese client has a lot of QoL that the main version does not have.

[pine basalt]

i stopped poe loooong time ago, seeing they won't make QOL, now everything asked is here, took 6 years

[crisp onyx]

then tencent is just using IP currently i guess

depends how their contract is formed we might see something like this in the west too

[ivory swift]

Tencent has the source code from the main branch. They then take it to thier own dev team to add/change parts of it

The game is still created by GGG, tencent just modifies it

after the fact

[sweet blade]

Very doubtful. If for no other reason, it does have P2W and whatever else you think of GGG their stance on that has been possibly their most consistent stance.

[abstract karma]

PoE 1 and Tencent is special case tho... only a fraction of games which Tencent preassure didnt change much

[crisp onyx]

they didnt want battlepass either

[ivory swift]

Tencent only pressures games if they start to fail profitablity. From what I hear they are very hands off until things start going to shit.

[crisp onyx]

i know its cosmetics only, but its about adamant stances

[pine basalt]

what is good with tencent ? they do good games ? (i don't know), Genshin was so popular (even if long time player complain now ?)

[ivory swift]

Alot of the microtransactions added to games was likely the stuido's idea not tencents, because they didn't want to lose control and have tencent step in

[abstract karma]

then Dying ligt 2 approach doesn't make even more sense then.

[pine basalt]

basic management / way to see video games now ""How can we make Money BEFORE how make a fun game ?"

[crisp onyx]

might be, thats a not good sign either though

[ivory swift]

Oh I agree, it's the wrong way to go about it. Microtransactions create a perverse game design.

[pine basalt]

seems to make sense => game very popular making money => make n°2, close the first one => profit

[crisp onyx]

doesnt make sence

why would you close first one if it still making money

[ivory swift]

Probably because we don't know the full story

[pine basalt]

to sell MORE !

[crisp onyx]

but you are already selling

[pine basalt]

you bought all skins ? now you'll buy all skins, a second time, in n°2 ! isn't it overwatch 1.5 ?

[crisp onyx]

but its not the case

skins transfer from poe1 to poe 2

[pine basalt]

surely it decrease in time

[crisp onyx]

it was growing

[ivory swift]

There was probably contractual obligations with another company if they kept the first one up? Who knows, we sure as hell don't

[pine basalt]

i think you were talking about daying light

[abstract karma]

DI 2 was meant to be as single player game same as DI 1, endgame stuff and buch of micros or special cosmetics doesn't make sense if there wasn't something big to scary devs like Tencent

[pine basalt]

You own nothing, that's modern videogame (and steam)

[crisp onyx]

ah nah, idk about dying light never played it

[pine basalt]

oh so if you talking about POE, i don't know ; but they clearly want to kill the 1

[crisp onyx]

dont think so

[sweet blade]

Not sure that they want to PoE1, but they will if it's a choice between 1 and 2, I think.

[ivory swift]

I wouldn't explicitly say that about steam, a lot of games once downloaded can be played without launching steam.

[pine basalt]

same infra / hardware => poe2 had massiv impact in POE 1 latency / trade website ; no league for 1 year

[abstract karma]

i think they really though they could handle both games but then something CRASHED and team and vision started crumble..

Current fate is that they wanna push PoE 2 to 1.0 and then slowly kill off PoE 1..

[pine basalt]

i'am talking about "law state", you can loose acces to anygame on steam (licence stuff)

[crisp onyx]

thats no 'want to kill' thats more like they cant handle it

[crisp onyx]

thats gog

[pine basalt]

they didn't want to handle, just make 2 separate things

[ivory swift]

The games will be very different. PoE2 is meant to be slow and more grounded, PoE1 is meant to feel godlike. It will apeal to different players

[crisp onyx]

arguable

[ivory swift]

I've only seen them stop selling a game, I haven't seen them remove a game from your list?

[pine basalt]

"Stripping Bob to Dress Chris"

[crisp onyx]

thats true, but do they want it? or its just how things going?

[pine basalt]

some online only game went down and you can't play anymore

[crisp onyx]

at the very least i dont think they want it till poe2 is stable

[ivory swift]

Well that's true if you owned the CD

[pine basalt]

i think it's buisness decision, witthout carrying about players

[crisp onyx]

does steam ban strip you of your games or not?

[pine basalt]

still got the CD of my beloved Warhammer Online ><"

[ivory swift]

Don't think so, think it only stops you from accessing the store or any social features

[sweet blade]

Warhammer Online wasn't bad... felt like a Rifts-type game with more realistic graphics and the juggernaut of the WH franchise behind it.

[crisp onyx]

i see, so technically true then but steam have enough trust to be seen like you own games

[ivory swift]

Mind you, this might all change if gabe dies and they open the company with an IPO

that's when you know things will go to shit

[crisp onyx]

cant deny that

[ivory swift]

speaking of which, discord is aiming to launch it's IPO soonish

[crisp onyx]

discord was never good to begin with

nothing will change

[ivory swift]

so prepare for the enshitifcation of discord

oh you have no iea

idea*

[crisp onyx]

where is my 10gb file transfer like in skype?

[ivory swift]

Prepare for full screen ads, discord overlay feeding you ads while you play games etc.

[crisp onyx]

the only reason i use discord is cuz all the gaming servers are here

as a messager it sucks ass

[ivory swift]

If things get bad, I'm moving to teamspeak. They just came out with a new version and it looks pretty good

least for my community of friends

[crisp onyx]

problem is if all the communities stays on discord

dolphins go where the fish is

[ivory swift]

Guess we will see once the enshitification starts

[fierce moth]

hah figure out something is I'm impossible to join in EHG because my direction isn't the stuff they want.

I only can learn and do marketing/social media managements if I want to find a job in game industry. Environemnt artists means more professional on parts of a game, which is I can't pay. I can't afford the time and money it requires under current case.
I can go on learning that as my dream of course, but it's the future thing only.

[ivory swift]

Things take time, expand you knowledge and connections, eventually something will come up.

[pine basalt]

i learn something today : necromancy is a real thing ;o (the come back !)

[ivory swift]

LOL I know, i used to use teamspeak 2, now they are at 6. They made a lot of really nice changes, and the UI looks nice IMO. I have a thing for dark blue I guess

[broken harness]

lmao

[pine basalt]

Can we say that POE 2 update is the BEST one, because it's the First one ? beeing the first one makes it as the same time :: the best AND the worst ?

[crisp onyx]

ppls were saying 0.1 was the worst state game is

now 0.2 arrived...

[ebon meadow]

I want to compare things released last 5 years but every time I try to explain my self I see every single flow lmao

[pine basalt]

POE 2 Best game ever made that's all. It's just not for you (or for me lol)

[ebon meadow]

Imo and that's just for me and ed contagion leveling with surtain end game and I m sold

[pine basalt]

dude "ED contagion" you made me 10yo back in time

[ebon meadow]

I m not sure why the hell in the world I always shield and defend melé when I am a range spell caster

[ebon meadow]

Probably one zizs build that had me.curiuos in the game

[pine basalt]

i just loved the build on poe 1 :

[ebon meadow]

I want u guys to be comfortable with slams like I am leveling spell gem

[pine basalt]

if you are talking about poe 2 i got 0 info on this game

[ebon meadow]

2016-17 is where I start playing lol

Like really hard

[pine basalt]

great times, when you could do all the game with 50 chaos orb (trading) if you were skilled -- All power behing gems and not items, can make tons of weird build and clear maps

1. "put random gem into your 5L"
2. Have fun

ARE YOU ALL READY FOR April 17th ??!!!!

[ebon meadow]

That's the thing ,u can play ssf welcome to actual game lol

[pine basalt]

were you refering to old poe 1 ?

[ebon meadow]

Yes

[pine basalt]

True ! now SSF is : Grim dawn or LE, iam not welcome in poe anymore

don't know for Diablo ((btw D3 HC in multi is fire))

[crisp onyx]

what is this

[pine basalt]

Torchlite Infinite best arpg, released on april 17th, so LE will repport again 🙂

[crisp onyx]

is it sarcasm or is it actually good?

i have a feeling its the former but jsut to be sure

[pine basalt]

Every taste are in nature, got a friend who love it, "majority" of people define it as "sheet p2w mobile garbage flashy game"

it's free so test it ?

[deep cloak]

im watching this video of people not liking poe 0.2

[ebon meadow]

Of there's a feel defenetly try out

[deep cloak]

someone actually said that EHG shouldnt have delayed their new season

[pine basalt]

i didn't tried Tochrlite Infinite because light / effect ere blinding me

[deep cloak]

because it would actually be more popular than POE 2

[pine basalt]

They could not predict poe2 """"" fail """"""", i was thinking "" is 2 week enought for people to enjoy and finish poe2 ?"" but it's not a league

[deep cloak]

true

just unfortunate

yeah you cant predict how a different game is going to go

[pine basalt]

I only play LE, so iam like this :

[deep cloak]

i go on a trip this monday so i didnt play the new poe2 league

but from what i am seeing

it doesnt look good

[ebon meadow]

Me as fire dot player XD

[pine basalt]

And the delay decision was the best for the game (not for me) : drama made a lot of publicity ; content creator are "free marketing"

[pine basalt]

if you put out the "e" in your name => DarkSoul => if you like to SUFFER maybe poe 2 is for you

[deep cloak]

im black/korean

and i love dark souls

[pine basalt]

but do you like to suffer ?

[deep cloak]

my favorite series is dark souls

[pine basalt]

i played DS 1 remaster blind, was not enjoyable

[deep cloak]

ive beaten each one at least 3 times

[pine basalt]

not enought info in the game

[crisp onyx]

guess i'll pass on that offer

[fierce moth]

https://www.youtube.com/@Empyriangaming/videos

Question: what bring him to the public?

Why he have so many fans?

[pine basalt]

What are the Biggest Space-Time Dilation ???

_ the last school-hour before the week end
_ time between AoT / GoT seasons
_ "infinite 2 weeks" waiting for LE 2.0
_ my dentist trying to put dat theeth off

[pine basalt]

FAMOUS POE 1 streamer / group player

[fierce moth]

Lots of poe streamers. What make him to be special?

[pine basalt]

He plays in a GROUP of 6-7 ; they try things that other don't ((finding exploit / bugs)) ; most famous "optimize group farm"

"they" make the "best loot explosion" ?

[fierce moth]

do you want to say he's a master of different tricks in poe? I saw most of his videos relevant to tricks

[sweet blade]

He is the 'face' of the best group-optimized play in PoE2. IIRC, SnapOW (I think?) is the main theorycrafter of them.

Oh, sorry, should probably say PoE1.

[pine basalt]

Off Topic :: Excelent underrated Rogue Like Game : (turn based, many builds, DooM / 90's vibe

[fierce moth]

what "group-optimized" mean?

both of you meantioned that but I don't know what is it

[sweet blade]

Empyrian AFAIK ONLY plays in groups, with individuals in the group playing characters designed to complement each other.

In short, they treat PoE like it's an MMO raid.

[pine basalt]

it means they make a TON of money / currency in game, with combo ( dps / healer - buff / Magic founder)

[fierce moth]

oh...So he have solid friends who play poe with him

[old lily]

I think in essence they have the highest "power fantasy" trope going on, pushing the game/s to the brink of what's possible. The highest reasonably obtainable performance and rewards for it.
In a way, they are a well functioning group when most streamers are an individual, and as such are limited to individual accomplishments. They are able to do things way past what an individual can do

[sweet blade]

That's a mild term for it, but yes.

[pine basalt]

more like a job :/

[old lily]

In a way, it's like watching a speedrunner destroy a game you have played. You can't come up with such techniques by yourself

[pine basalt]

non-paid job ; or you do illegal RMT

[crisp onyx]

streaming is paid

[pine basalt]

i was just pointing that "playing poe in group" isn't a job ; Streaming is you're right !

like : it's not a game anymore, it's a full time job (Empyrean)

[pine basalt]

So the 18th will be "how do i check price ? why can't i buy everything ? worste update ! why queue ? LE dead, go back to poe 2"... ?

bug "power leveling don't work"

[sweet blade]

We'll need to be prepared, for sure. 😉

[pine basalt]

i can't be prepared... gonna play 35 builds, in CoF, i already feels bad for too much Hoarding / stash management

[sweet blade]

Heh.

[pine basalt]

i'll keep EVERY double T6 and T7... "just in case"

[hollow coral]

7 hotfixes and a bigger update in less than 24 hours

Nothing screams "we didn't actually play the game ourselves" like having to start cutting monster health points in a hotfix few hours after launch

[pine basalt]

Since a lot of years nah ?

[hollow coral]

I'd be so stoked to be a developer at GGG pumping out builds with no sleep

    All non-unique monsters have less life, tapering from 100% to 75% of what they had between levels 8 and 15. All monsters between level 15 and 46 now have exactly 25% less Life. All monsters between level 46 and 64 now have less life, tapering up from 75% to 100%. This results in all monsters in Endgame having the same Life as before this change. Their thresholds for Crowd Control and Ailments have been adjusted proportionately by the same amount.
**    Rogue Exiles have had their Life reduced by 40% (on top of the change above).**
    The "of the Hydra" (Life Regeneration) Monster Modifier now only appears at Level 65+.

50% HP reduction on rogue exiles

What a mess

[abstract karma]

HAHA.. i totally excepted this "hotfix" from devs 😄

When all screamed hwo they have no DMG and similar thing i though "i bet they will make patch which trough acts will make mobs less hp"

[teal flame]

As someone with a career in QA, I REALLY want to peek inside their studio and see how they manage their testing.

This is not the first time they've had releases where it's been like "how has this passed like... the first glance?"

[sweet blade]

Right now, I'm trying to figure out how much I'd have to ask for to do QA for GGG. Hint: Not cheap.

[sweet blade]

Which is an amputation-level response. Sure, it might help, but if they don't scale down movement or damage, you still get rocket tag in maps.

[teal flame]

Honestly, my favorite part of QA is tackling hard problems. I'd love to get in there and evolve their process to something that functions

[sweet blade]

Assuming they let you. 🙂

[teal flame]

Yeah, sometimes the hardest problem to solve is "getting the leadership to give a shit"

[sweet blade]

Look at GGG's leadership. Have we seen any inkling that they do? 🙂

[teal flame]

Honestly? Yeah. I think they're just not good at considering the new player experience in their development process, a common problem.

If you look at the endgame changes in a bubble, those are probably pretty solid

[ivory swift]

Also keep in mind this is early access, the level of testing might not be as high as normal because of that, as a long time player we know they tend to work on things up until the last minute.

[teal flame]

But they didn't look at how it affected the early game experience with all their nerfs

[ivory swift]

Maybe I'm just chill, but I'm not really upset with GGG in any way, the launch was a bit rough but whatever

[sweet blade]

Enh.

[ivory swift]

My only gripe is the rune system doesn't really help you early game, getting cold resist for act 1 boss is rough

sometimes the ice rune just doesn't drop

[teal flame]

I dunno, they already said they're treating it as a released game. So early access isn't really a good excuse. I'm not that upset either, but I also have no real desire to log in and play mor after yesterday

[sweet blade]

Exactly. TO be fair, it's more the people defending GGG who pull out the 'EA' argument rather than GGG themselves.

[ivory swift]

To each their own. PoE2 isn't meant to be an everyone game.

[sweet blade]

Right on schedule.

[ivory swift]

I like the challenge, didn't have any issues with monster life while playing with my brother

(shrug)

[teal flame]

I mentioned it before, but my only gripe is that player power is a bit too tied to gear. If you get a decent weapon drop, things feel fine. If you don't, it feels like a slog

[ivory swift]

Most people I see complaining never played PoE1 when there was only half of act 3. It was much slower much like PoE2, and I loved it like that.

[sweet blade]

Yeah, I noticed this even in 0.1... And there are no ways to deterministically get gear.

[teal flame]

Yeah, the POE1 crafting bench would be a huge boon. Being able to fix gear would be so nice. Runes don't really feel like they bridge the gap like they're "intended" to

[ivory swift]

yeah beacuse they don't drop when you need them sometimes 😦 wish there was a way to convert them early game

or let you buy basic elemental runes at an npc or something

[teal flame]

Yeah, it's little gripes like that for me, for the most part

Did the nerfs go a bit too hard? Maybe.

[sweet blade]

Sure, and I'm happy for you. But I would suggest that PoE2 will have the same player base as PoE1 did with only half of Act 3. And as long as GGG is okay with that, that's fine. It does mean that they will fade into obscurity in the overall ARPG market.

[teal flame]

But mostly they just need a way to smooth the curve

[ivory swift]

The reason they didn't have the player base is because it was an unknown company and the game didn't look great. This is very different from back then.

[sweet blade]

The lack of a crafting bench to me is a signal that they have no intention of smoothing any rough edges in progression. Or, more generally, any sort of deterministic ability to increase player power.

[sweet blade]

I disagree.

[ivory swift]

What is there to disagree with? It's factually true.

[sweet blade]

I disagree with your statement that the company being unknown and the poor graphics is what kept the player base small. You have not proven that to be true.

[ivory swift]

GGG is much more well known now, and PoE2 looks great (graphically). The play style is more like dark souls, but with the success of Elden Ring there is a massive potential player base for the game.

[sweet blade]

You are simply asserting that point.

[teal flame]

Yeah, I disagree with their concept for this. Players NEED to meet a certain power level as they level up to be able to continue (and importantly for things to FEEL good). And right now there's a real possibility that you don't meet that level right now, which is a problem.

[sweet blade]

I think the best way to say this is that there is insufficient deterministic power increases in the game.

[teal flame]

They either need to move that power to gems, or the passive tree (probably not this), so players have guaranteed access to the right power level for the game to feel good.

[ivory swift]

Is it hard to believe that a new studio making their first game would be generally unknown? Or that the game had poor graphics at the time (look at D3 vs PoE version 1.0 and tell me I'm wrong)

[sweet blade]

I don't disagree with the facts that are stated here. I disagree with the conclusion you are drawing from them.

[teal flame]

The power floor need to come up by 20-30% at least, and it would have the benefit that it would make some skills actually viable. Right now a lot are just not good enough to use.

[sweet blade]

I expect a patch in two weeks that does this or more.

[ivory swift]

You disagree that a new studio making their first game (not on steam) and with poor graphics wouldn't attract a large player base?

[sweet blade]

Yes. My assertion is that there are not enough people who want to play an isometric ARPG that is that slow, mainly BECAUSE PoE1 and other games have shown what the alternative looks like.

[gilded elm]

Keep in mind the insufficient deterministic avenues of crafting has been addressed by Jonathan in the past and he has stated this is due to the absence of league-specific crafting mechanics that PoE1 has accumulated over the decade and it's something that will be addressed over time as PoE2 receives league content.

[sweet blade]

If a studio making their first game with poor graphics are doomed to a small audience, please explain Minecraft.

[sweet blade]

I highly doubt that GGG will ever put deterministic crafting into PoE2.

[ivory swift]

Minecraft was very small for a very long time. It took awhile for it to build up steam. It also didn't have competition on the market in any real form. It was a new concept for the most part.

[gilded elm]

They will in the form of league crafting mechanics (of which are wholly absent in PoE2 at the moment), for sure. As has been stated by Jonathan himself in an interview.

[sweet blade]

And I believe that he is lying. That, or quite literally ALL testing being done on PoE2 to this point is meaningless.

[gilded elm]

It does puzzle me why they didn't add more league crafting mechanics from PoE1 into PoE2, but that's besides the point. I understand why Scours and Alts no longer exist, that makes total sense though.

It's unclear whether Delve will make a return in its existing form to PoE2, so we can't say whether Fossils will make an identical return. But things like Fossils can be expected to return to PoE2 in some form.

[sweet blade]

I have no issue with having no Scours or Alts. I have a very large issue with no crafting bench.

[gilded elm]

But things along those lines should be expected to be seen again over time.

[gilded elm]

Technically, Runes are the crafting bench atm.

[sweet blade]

I would argue that FOssil crafting is not sufficiently deterministic, if it is the most deterministic method being allowed.

[ivory swift]

? Crafting is considered a pillar of a game update per GGG's own account. Every offical league (which PoE2 hasn't had yet) needs... Crafting, Lore, Endgame Boss, Meta Progression, and something else I forget.

[sweet blade]

They are not fungible, and so they fail to provide the same experience. Just upthread, someone was saying that if you can't get the right runes to drop, you have a very bad time.

[ivory swift]

you can look at all the PoE1 leagues in the past 4 years I think, and see every league has these pillars, spelled out even on the reveal pages.

[sweet blade]

IF there were ways to deterministically obtain specific Runes, I think I could concede the point.

[ivory swift]

I want at least the elemental runes (for resistances) to be puchable at an npc

[sweet blade]

90% of League mechanic crafting methods are not deterministic. There's also the point in POE1 that the Passive tree is much more powerful, it seems, so there's a lot more of the deterministic power available there.

[sweet blade]

Yeah, even something as simple as that would be most welcome.

[gilded elm]

Correct, PoE2 has not yet had any official league. But with an official league, some mechanic of determnistic (at least moreso than currently) is expected, as is the case in PoE1 and should be the case in PoE2, following Jonathan's logic. Jonathan has not minced words, he wants more deterministic crafting but he wants to be careful about it.

[sweet blade]

I'm honestly not trying to be that difficult here. But I have zero faith and trust with what GGG (and even more Jonathan) says.

[gilded elm]

I'm the opposite. I have a lot of faith in Jonathan and Mark.

[sweet blade]

I'm happy for you, then. That's not going to change my stance.

[ivory swift]

There is a problem with deterministic crafting. Even LE hasn't gone full deterministic with thier crafting because of legendaries.

[gilded elm]

Nor mine.

This is all speculation. Best we can agree on is the current state of PoE2 is not looking good.

[sweet blade]

The floor is SOOOO much higher in LE, and that's what deterministic crafting is supposed to ensure. A certain floor.

[ivory swift]

We can agree on that

[sweet blade]

I honestly think that LE has hit a sweet spot in crafting.

WIth their resistance system aiding a great deal in that respect.

[ivory swift]

True I like LE's crafting system

[broken harness]

what dis

https://www.twitch.tv/carn_/clip/NastyShakingShieldTinyFace-k5m-tupkKSFBElNR

[gilded elm]

I like everything about LE's crafting except uniques feeling extremely mandatory due to slamming.

[sweet blade]

Well, it's not Uniques so much as Legendaries. And sets and maybe Champion affixes will help that somewhat./

[broken harness]

well sometimes sealed mods are better than uniques, or specific rare bases

but yeah it should get better now

[gilded elm]

It seems to be rare. Legendaries, specifically, several legendaries seem to be usually required for most builds.

[ivory swift]

They are so very scared to have something overtuned that they nerf things to the ground and improve them once they (obviously) are to bad to be useful.

[gilded elm]

One thing I like about PoE's direction is that uniques are not as build-defining as in LE, or at least PoE builds don't have as heavy reliance on uniques.

[fierce moth]

lol what!? The chance... quite unusual

[ivory swift]

It's because it's a high tier mod combining with another high tier mod

[sweet blade]

Amusing...

[ivory swift]

They know certain items only need 1-2 mods to be considered really good, so they nerfed the chances down to make them nearly impossible to get.

[broken harness]

well yeah uniques and legendaries are build enabling and beyond a certain point you do want to use them in builds, until that point you can beat most content with rare/exalted items

[broken harness]

no i was asking what game that was in the picture

[ivory swift]

PoE2

[broken harness]

no its not

[sweet blade]

Build-defining, I would have to agree. However, the idea that you're going to have a top-tier build in PoE without wearing several Uniques is not well-founded, IMO.

[broken harness]

this image

[sweet blade]

Torchlight Infinite, I think?

[broken harness]

ohhh okay

maybe should check that out

heard good things about it but already so many games on my list atm...

[gilded elm]

That said, slamming legendaries does create a compromise between unique and non-unique dependence in a build, there is still the whole "you have to actually acquire several uniques for your build to work" part that kinda sucks.

[ivory swift]

It quite literally is? At least the clip you posted with carn?

[broken harness]

most of those uniques are very easy to get

and if you are really that bothered you can go merchants guild

[teal flame]

Wow, I can't ever imagine engaging with a system that has a 1% chance of success

[broken harness]

i was asking about the image lol i know what poe2 is 😄

i have played poe2

[gilded elm]

I would wager there are a lot more viable uniqueless PoE builds than there are LE builds, being my point.

[broken harness]

and did not enjoy it very much

there are some parts of it that i loved

[viral galleon]

i see breasts so this is chinese

[broken harness]

new story, cool bosses, lore, youknow...

[broken harness]

hehehehe

[sweet blade]

I guess. But try to compete economically with someone who has a Mageblood without a Mageblood of your own, and it gets quite a bit more difficult.

[hollow coral]

The hot new thing in QA is testing your builds in prod, why pay QA when users test it just the same

[teal flame]

I will fight you

[gilded elm]

Of course. I'm wholly opposed to such powerful and extremely rare uniques like that existing in the first place, unless one of those two things are removed (either it's not OP or it's not extremely rare). I don't think Mageblood should even exist in PoE1 tbh.

[broken harness]

not sure if i agree tbh, in the early to mid game sure, later on hell no, every lategame poe build uses lots of uniques especially jewels

[ivory swift]

Yeah I agree, Not shocked expedition has a crappy crafting system. They are being SUPER conservative to the point it's not worth even doing.

[fierce moth]

Why I can't search this video?

[gilded elm]

I'm not a big fan of timeless jewels, but they aren't mandatory in PoE1, not for clearing ubers. Nor is several uniques.

[hollow coral]

It used to be a joke, but it's a thing now, it's kinda like A/B testing but with users doing the QA

[teal flame]

It's probably unlisted. You can link to them but they don't appear in search

[broken harness]

the logbooks also drop basically nothing compared to the ones in poe1 and in that game every exped NPC has a different shop so you get to make lots of choices which to farm for

[teal flame]

Yeah I know, that's why it makes me angry. Ironically the people who do this need QA more than ever.

[sweet blade]

We'd probably need some common definition of 'top-tier' / 'late game' to be able to discuss usefully.

[hollow coral]

Microsoft Windows early something program is just that

[gilded elm]

Keep in mind people have killed ubers with blue items before in PoE1

[broken harness]

i was thinking more like watchers eye, intuitive leap, stormshroud, the light of meaning...

[ivory swift]

Yeah I know, play both PoE1 and 2

[broken harness]

phrecia still fun

[sweet blade]

I wanted Phrecia to be fun but... I tried. I really did.

[teal flame]

Ironically I can't stand going back to POE1 because the combat feels so much worse

I did the level 80 on Phrecia but it was a challenge

[broken harness]

i kinda wish phrecia in the future instead of being exclusively private league could just be another gamemode because i sure as hell would go for that

[ivory swift]

PoE2 and PoE1 are made for different people

[hollow coral]

I've seen this approach in games recently, Helldivers 2 literally tests in production, they make sure the new build runs and leave the rest to crash reports

[gilded elm]

I was playing some PoE2 in bed last night on my Steam Deck (remote PC streaming) and I gotta say though, the gamepad/console/handheld experience of PoE2 is just superb. Even if the game is mediocre right now, it's one thing they absolutely nailed lol

[ivory swift]

I prefer PoE2 as well

[fierce moth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03RZSoBEDZ0 Ok the link

[broken harness]

my main issue with private leagues is that they are time limited to a certain number of months which is often shorter than the actual poe league, leads to fomo when i like to play more slowly

[fierce moth]

New meme video can enjoy hhhh

[broken harness]

and in the case of phrecia you cannot just migrate out of the league since then idols will no longer function

your class is also gone then

[gilded elm]

Dawn of the Hunt has left me wanting to play LE but my brain refuses to invest time into LE until the season starts.

[broken harness]

so maybe hot take but let phrecia ascendancies just go core, sure go rebalance them i dont mind that but i would love new classes

[broken harness]

same

and some of the phrecia classes really are something i miss in normal poe

[sweet blade]

Perfectly valid response. Which speaks well to EHG delaying by two weeks.

[teal flame]

Yeah, even with POE2 like it is, I'm glad they delayed

Even if GGG brings things up to a good level, a couple weeks of POE2 is gonna be enough for a lot of folks

[broken harness]

if phrecia ascendancies went core i would 100% league start on the spider class in 3.26

no way around it

[teal flame]

I think the thing the Phrecia proves is they need to do more upsets to the core of the game. Their usual "change 1-2 ascendencies and make other minor adjustments" hasn't been enough to keep people excited

[broken harness]

another hot take: phrecias bog shaman is just a better version of the garbage poe2 blood mage

[gilded elm]

I was saying how GGG really fumbled this league in the PoE discord:

• EHG announces LE season
• GGG announces PoE2 league, overlapping with LE's announced season
• EHG pushes LE season back due to PoE2's announcement, earns good will
• GGG looks bad, like a bully
• GGG releases Dawn of the Hunt, league is mediocre at best
• GGG looks doubly bad
  GGG fumbled this pretty bad.

[broken harness]

it actually has been enough tho 👀 settlers was really successful
but i do agree that more new content is awesome

[sweet blade]

Almost like Blood Mage is the Ruthless Bog Shaman? 😉 Also, I have a feeling that they were shamelessly stealing from their own PoE2 Ascendancy ideas.

[broken harness]

wait

ruthless phrecia classes are a thing?

oh god

LMAO

[sweet blade]

I think so, but just pointing out that PoE2 is really Ruthless+.

[broken harness]

i dont disagree

[teal flame]

Yeah, Settlers was good for sure, no hate there. But even for it they didn't change the core gameplay that much and it's always nice when no one knows what to expect going in.

[ivory swift]

They already said the Phresha classes were planned early for PoE2 but discarded

[broken harness]

i really hope settlers goes core too

[sweet blade]

Yeah, Settlers WAS good.

[gilded elm]

Settlers was a god tier league. Don't know if they can ever top that.

[sweet blade]

It almost has to.

[sweet blade]

Ah, I heard that they said it was alternate ideas for PoE1 Ascendancies that they never used.

[ivory swift]

settlers was too successful not to go core

[gilded elm]

Most of it probably will, except maybe the Recombinator and Kingsmarch itself.

[ivory swift]

in all fairness both can be true, because PoE2 was basicaly just going to be an expansion to PoE1.

[broken harness]

i know some aspects of settlers are a little annoying like managing the ships and constantly going to deposit gold but settlers added so many things that we were just missing in the game, see both the recombinator and the atlas runners, these make use of things that would otherwise have been worthless

and the rune forge is just LP crafting reversed which mirrors the best crafting system in the genre

[sweet blade]

I don't think you can extract the Currency Exchange from Settlers without the league content, which means that you're going to get Settlers.

[teal flame]

I love that it's so obviously LP crafting. It makes me happy to see LE concepts make their way into other games.

[gilded elm]

The currency exchange itself is fairly isolated, it was backported from PoE2 after all.

[ivory swift]

I mean they could just nerf gold drops down, and move faustis to the hideout

well you already can put him in the hideout nvm

[broken harness]

i think kingsmarch will go core if the other parts do too, where else do you put them, if anything it would be nice to have more of the NPC in there instead of building a city in our hideout

[sweet blade]

But what happens when you lose all other gold sinks? Inflation in the currency market, no? Actually, deflation, now that I think about it.

[teal flame]

I don't think people want to keep rebuilding the city each league, but a lot of the stuff in the city is cool and should stay for sure.

[sweet blade]

Yeah, doubt we'll get the building part, per se, but most of it is going to be there, I think.

[broken harness]

that could just be changed to cost only gold to build and less than currently

[ivory swift]

I like the city and all the features it adds though

[teal flame]

Like, just give me unlocks as I progress through the game automatically instead of making me do all the research and stuff

[broken harness]

but kingsmarch could also just be fully built from the start

maybe you just need to buy ships then?

[sweet blade]

I mean, can you IMAGINE GGG not keeping the currency exchange in? It would make AN look like nothing.

[teal flame]

Make it just the "settlement management" instead of "settlement building"

[broken harness]

exchange will stay inevitably

[gilded elm]

Gold and the Currency Exchange can exist without Kingsmarch. Gold sinks can be additionally added as necessary as well. Naturally, passive respecs are one sink. Another could be runesmithing etc.

[broken harness]

yup agree

[sweet blade]

Sure, just picturing the apocalypse if it didn't. 😉

[ivory swift]

LOL yeah, PoE1 is not losing the currency exchange, all hell would break loose.

[broken harness]

but one thing that i really want to stay is the atlas runners because that is where you can put maps you yourself dont wanna do, either because bricked mods or too low level for you or whatever

[broken harness]

we are in an apocalypse right now 👀

[gilded elm]

They want to be cautious about which parts of Kingsmarch they bring to core because they don't want that whole town to feel "mandatory" so if they do bring the entirety of Kingsmarch to core, they'll probably nerf things like shipping quite hard.

[sweet blade]

What's happening in PoE2 right now is NOTHING compared to what removing the Currency Exchange would do.

[broken harness]

i also do not believe they will remove the recombinator again

this is already a nerfed version and still very popular

[sweet blade]

So do we keep Dust in, or convert the Recombinator to cost Gold?

[gilded elm]

Depends if they keep disenchanting I suppose

[broken harness]

i am a little bit torn on the ores and farming from kingsmarch, maybe these resources could be integrated into other league mechanics

[broken harness]

i like the dust but disenchanting is awful

maybe dust could just be another currency like gold

[sweet blade]

It would feel weird if the in-map mechanic of Settlers wasn't retained but the town was.

[gilded elm]

Removing Disenchanting/Dust might actually be the way to "balance" or nerf shipping as well. Convert Recomb cost to gold while they're at it.

[cold junco]

Well I was excited for PoE2 update but man it is such a slog...I need the last epoch update soon q.q

[sweet blade]

BTW, all of these questions is probably a contributing factor to why 3.26 has been pushed back so much.

[broken harness]

yeah and some of the in map mechanics are actually really cool, it is like a better version of delves sulphite veins, you actually get to do stuff

[teal flame]

If they did this, people would riot and they know it, for sure.

[sweet blade]

Ooooooo... put the deposits in Delve!

[broken harness]

wtf no

[gilded elm]

The Currency Exchange itself is staying. There is absolutely no chance that it gets removed, ever.

[teal flame]

Don't put shit in delve. Delete delve entirely

[broken harness]

delve needs some buffs to fossils

[sweet blade]

I rather like Delve, myself.

[teal flame]

I don't actually want it gone, but I can't stand it

[broken harness]

but do not make the ores delve exclusive i hate that idea

[sweet blade]

But then, I also like Heist.

[gilded elm]

That's the beauty of PoE1. There's a plethora of content that you can focus on the things that are fun for you and trade for the things you need which come from activities that are not so fun.

[broken harness]

amber could be from blight encounters and blighted maps...

[sweet blade]

Except, of course, that I hate trading, so....

[gilded elm]

Sure, but that's a whole other can of worms as GGG themselves does not and seemingly will not ever design any aspect of the game around SSF.

Another big win for LE for sure.

[sweet blade]

Maybe scatter the different deposits around different mechanics?

[broken harness]

trying to remember right now what themes the other ores have i know ones elemental/kalandra themed that is just for juicing maps so that could still generate normally, there is one scourge themed ore they could definitely integrate with maps in some way

[broken harness]

yes exactly

[sweet blade]

Yerp. Just one more thing pushing me towards LE and away from PoE.

[broken harness]

the scourge ore is a lot like a domination shrine

[sweet blade]

Crimson Iron is 'sorta' like Harvest, except the flavor.

[broken harness]

red iron is the most basic one that could stay as it is

[sweet blade]

Verisium was straight-up ripped from Crucible...

[broken harness]

oh okay

[gilded elm]

I like Blight, sue me 😄

[sweet blade]

I love Blight, but I tend not to play builds that can easily clear them. 😉

[broken harness]

verisium could be even more tied to the black knight boss

[broken harness]

same

[gilded elm]

Yeah, also sucks that you gotta sort of pick and choose the right maps for them too

[broken harness]

you know how you encounter a crater on a map and the black knight is in it? what if they changed it so in there you now just find a verisium vein and if you channel to 100% and beat it the black knight spawns, or may spawn at least, obviously craters have to be more common then

[sweet blade]

Heh... oh dear, Map layout concerns.

[broken harness]

so this is kinda moving towards an affliction type core integration

[sweet blade]

I feel that GGG being rather tone deaf on Map Layouts is a case of Efficiency for Efficiency's sake.

[gilded elm]

Trying to do Blight with more than 3 lanes is a major pain lol

[broken harness]

i like affliction but imo the forest is a bit boring now with the NPC in it gone and you no longer finding any bosses in it

maybe put an ore in there?

i dunno

[sweet blade]

Once I learned the Stun-Buff trick for Blights from Octavion0, they got a lot better.

[broken harness]

not one of the juicing ores ofc that would be dumb

although i guess since affliction is only T16 that would be a rough gating

[sweet blade]

Oh, the Beyond one could be put in place of a Beyond Boss spawning, and not end your Beyond in a map. That would be realllly nice.

[broken harness]

eh

i would just say put it in a map and that map then has beyond mobs

do not replace bosses

but imo the beyond bosses need more interesting drops

wheres the uniques

[sweet blade]

Well, most people seemt o not WANT Beyond Bosses to spawn, because they stop Beyond demons from spawning.

[gilded elm]

Kinda depressing watching streamers play PoE2. They seem visibly unfulfilled lol

[broken harness]

all 3 beyond bosses should have a watchers eye type jewel, not quite as powerful as that but just something

[broken harness]

you can take the keystone 😄

no ones stopping you

[sweet blade]

Something, yeah. Beyond 'better chance for corrupted currency'. 😉

[gilded elm]

LOL Shroud didn't do a day 2 of PoE. That's not a good sign, he at least plays a new update for a few days.

[broken harness]

but maybe if the ore/altar spawns in a map it will allow both the boss to spawn and also beyond demons to continue spawning after, so if you get lucky you get to have your cake and eat it too

[sweet blade]

I mean, I'm the guy who will only play Delirium with the Keystone. One of the concerns I had with Phrecia.

[broken harness]

i just want beyond to be more than "spawn more mobs and maybe tainted fusing"

it has so much potential

sure the scourge league was kinda garbage but once again there is potential

[fierce moth]

@blissful token GGG know what can let me laugh clearly... I'm laughing when I see this clip every time

[broken harness]

i do not like the scourging of items but scourged maps? maybe?

if the ores are not used as much in kingsmarch anymore later on

we could have more expedition style NPC that sell you stuff for these ores

[sweet blade]

Hmmm...

[broken harness]

maybe the rarest verisium could have things like annuls or fractures?

since verisium is very crafting themed

or maybe it just turns into dust for recomb

actually no, verisium is already connected to runes

nvm

dont break that

[sweet blade]

Yeah, they could just make the in-map thing give out dust. 😉

[fierce moth]

holy god hhhhhhhhhhhhhh this one is more insane

[broken harness]

i think dust being a drop like gold would solve a lot

maybe rog would now use the ores to give you stuff? makes sense right? hes the guy crafting stuff

[sweet blade]

Or Rog is just an NPC that Dusts items for you.

[broken harness]

hate that

especially if it takes time to do

[sweet blade]

... mm, wait, you probably can't have two Rogs in your Hideout, so....

[broken harness]

one in hideout for exped one in kingsmarch

or just move him to kingsmarch permanently

[sweet blade]

The most elegant response would be to have every item hidden by your filter (or an additional option on your filter) to just turn into dust. Certainly help server loads.

[broken harness]

there are lore reasons why gwennen is not in kingsmarch and imo she needs a rework to her shop but the others are in kingsmarch already

[sweet blade]

On that note, I'm waiting for KCN's in-depth lore videos for PoE2 Acts.

[broken harness]

so might as well commit here and merge these mechanics as long as they keep their functionality

[pine basalt]

Tola Mowana Exile, where is my Zana ?

[sweet blade]

Gotta say, one of the highlights of PoE2 is interacting with Doryani.

[broken harness]

definitely yes but there is not that much to it yet

i hope they expand his lore a lot

[gilded elm]

I'm sure he'll eventually betray us 😢

[broken harness]

oh for sure lol

cannot trust a vaal

[sweet blade]

Sure, but I can remember a time in PoE1 when EVERY league, the speculation was, 'Is Doryani the boss?'

[gilded elm]

Only Vaal I trust is Alva

[broken harness]

but i also wanna see more about ezomytes the act 1 stuff was just not enough

[sweet blade]

Hm. I don't think that they would soft-retcon the fall of the vaal only to have Doryani betray you.

I'm actually very happy that the Huntress is Azmeri. Major cultural group that was unrepresented.

[broken harness]

tbh i kinda hope that the remaining 3 acts will not just be other places like in poe1 but where things will actually change a lot, where you encounter old friends again from the earlier acts and things get exponentially more complex

i already expect us to start a war against some of the karui

and oriath will probably be a deeply rotten place, in a new way that is

also the maraketh and faridun are clearly not done fighting and the maraketh are evil in their own way

[sweet blade]

Oriath is likely just a ruin at this point. It's implied that it's the place Oriana is speaking in, in one of the trailers.

[broken harness]

yes azmeri and ezomytes need more

thats why i hope we get more than act 1

[broken harness]

nope we know that oriath is rebuilt and secular now