📚┃off-topic

[visual pulsar]

and I hope they bring it into poe2 right away too

[mental talon]

Idk I don't make decisions until I get patch notes. It'll more than likely be something Melee like it kinda always is, but no decision until I see the notes. (But all of this changes if it clashes with MH Wilds release I need at least 2 weeks to enjoy that maybe 1.5)

[visual pulsar]

I tried playing diablo 4 season 7 just wasn't into it hopefully ggg doesn't fall into a slump like d4 has

[hexed stream]

Same, but I'll persevere a bit more to get the remaining free cosmetics

[visual pulsar]

I'll force myself to do the seasonal journey and battlepass eventually just will take my sweet time we have like 3-4 months lol

[fierce moth]

Double yes

And it saved me from the death lots of times

[fierce moth]

It's quite hard but I'm done finally

[fierce moth]

🙃 The altas sandbox need more polishment exactly. I want to reach where I see the red beam, but it's located in different areas, which mean I must find another areas what connected the area red beam on and I'm no idea where the right way is...

Yeah... Super tricky. I don't understand why GGG think adjacent paths but I can't reach the other area by these paths is interesting... Lost in direction easily

Why not just connect all areas each other... Do extra works is fun????

[narrow token]

It's probably supposed to feel like a mini adventure game.

[fierce moth]

yeah, I go to a dead end

[narrow token]

I've never seen it for myself so idk how it actually works. Just looks like an overworld map to me where you choose a level. Like in old Mario and Donkey Kong games from the NES/SNES era.

[fierce moth]

😱 Now both of Gordon and his student, Nick on bilibili... More and more famous people racing on Food making videos now

I can say Ziqi Li is the only YouTuber can compare with them on international influence...

[hexed stream]

Day 2 without a single drop of gaming

And I can foresee the next 3 days without gaming as well

Probably do some reading

[fierce moth]

You go to a place without good internet and need to stay there for days because of new year?

[hexed stream]

No, just no time to play, new year ritual and customs and meeting relatives and so on

[visual pulsar]

Been like 5 for me since my sickness I'm not fully 100% yet

[fierce moth]

👀 Well Happy new year 2025

Fireworks outside are more and more

[hexed stream]

🎉 🎉 🥱 🐍 🎆

[fierce moth]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1491410/Eternal_Strands/

A new ARPG release on steam at the same time

I'm doubt the game studio know Chinese spend Spring festival since today so they release their game today to take our lucky money away XD

I guess this game for adventures more

alright the speed of internet in the hotel is terrible... Want to donload the demo

[hexed stream]

Wait, why hotel?

[fierce moth]

Take refuge from disaster of firecrackers in day and fireworks in night

🤔 I need to figure out how to take a hot shower here... Bye

[hexed stream]

Super ultra massive fireworks right here right now🎉 🎉 🎆 🎆

[fierce moth]

...I hate fireworks sorry

[hexed stream]

Here we have official firework which doesn't make loud noise, and there are illegal variants that people prefer as they believe that the loud noise chases away bad luck
And the police will keep an eye on those using illegal ones, those unlucky ones getting caught will have to pay a good amount

[fierce moth]

Then I hope Chinese learn these policies too... This tradition is toooooooo goooood

[fierce moth]

Ok great, thanks for the demo. I'm not interested in this game at all... Visual effects for skills are terrible and I can't get used to dodge + attack + defense + move view, too busy for me

[fierce moth]

⬆️ This game if anyone wonder which demo

[fierce moth]

... Alright I find myself not interested in pure action games exactly... Watched gameplay of lords of the fallen, this is a good video for hypnotization :)

[narrow token]

The game reminds me of Immortals Fenyx Rising and that Zelda game from a few years ago. Very cool.

[tawny sand]

breath of the wild?

[narrow token]

One of those I guess. I never could play them, just saw clips here and there

[tiny wedge]

Waiting for season, so started a new playthrough of "The Veilguard"

[narrow token]

Other games need to steal whatever they used to make their hair look so damn good.

[tiny wedge]

Last epoch needs a sexy character creator ! 😄

Who would not wanna create their own badass lady and do battle in Last Epoch ?

[narrow token]

Ehh, I think making their combat more punchy with better sound design, animations, and vfx is a better use of their resources. Behind endgame updates and expansions.

[tiny wedge]

I dont agree... i have hard time with the fugly characters and i know alot of ppl agree.

They need to spend abit more time to make them more. Attractive

[viral galleon]

i will give veilguard credit where its due, the character creator is a bit impressive. and a game like veilguard is one that i think deserves to have a decent character creator. but i also think character creators are usually a waste of development time.

[tiny wedge]

Sure maybe dont need 100% focus but alittle polish on the characters would not hurt Last epoch

[tiny wedge]

If game is bad a character creator wont save it... BUT if the game is good AND you can get a pretty lady or a chud man customized its ofc a big plus ! 😄

[viral galleon]

i agree that graphics is one of le's weaker points but i don't want a full blown character customizer either.

[tiny wedge]

No i agree not full blown but atleast... the old dude as mage swapped to a attractive lady or a chud male.. choose gender male or female

would be great 😄

[narrow token]

There's no way to quantify "a lot of people" anyway. I've seen a fair amount of people who don't stick with LE because of its combat sounds/vfx. Can't blame them either, it's not on the Blizzard level, or GGG even.

[tiny wedge]

Or maybe ppl dont wanna be a fugly old dude as mage ?

[narrow token]

I can say that doesn't bother ME. I don't know if it's a statistically significant number of people who do or don't. I do know however, that arpgs live or die on their combat, endgame, and gameplay systems.

Character customization is more of a cosmetic feature. One that very few arpgs have.

[fierce moth]

and it explains my tea is casters instead of melees yeah

Casters focus on magic. Skills are the matter more

@narrow token Just my opinions.

I guess players will accept that more easily after they challenged by difficulty level of poe 2 so hard but... At first, combat designers need to design more epic combats with bosses... Then le need WASD support too so animation system need a huge update... Which time-consuming. They can do but it'll pay a lot.

🙃 I still no idea why are they delayed 1.2, move it to April

[narrow token]

My guess is whatever their original plans were for 1.2 wasn't good enough, and based on feedback they had to put more resources on features/content that was meant for later, in order for it to come in for 1.2 instead. Things that might've been meant for 1.3, 1.4, maybe even 1.5, was potentially brought to 1.2 because those things were needed in the game more, but weren't as far along in development.

That's just a guess based on some context from the weekly streams and their posts the past few months.

[mental talon]

I hope 1.2 works out for EHG I've already lost all faith after all these years personally tbh

[fierce moth]

I want to do many crafting again... 😅 They're products I purchased last year within and after Spring festival last year.

(The Volin is the work I done in hotel, the same reason for why I'm in hotel that time)

(I still using the craft in #2 to mark dates)

[sand wigeon]

These are beautiful!

[hexed stream]

Lol you still at the hotel, not with parents?

[fierce moth]

yeah today's the only whole day I can stay away from my parents. Just went to near shopping malls to solve my brunch and purchased a mango sogo to drink, beck to hotel now.

The supermarket in this mall is closed unfortunately, but I need to buy many snacks... So I plan to go outside tonight :)

🙃 Wasted my money on mango sogo though. Very blend and sour, not creamy at all. I still prefer a matcha ice cream...

[tawny sand]

those are cool

the crafting things i mean, i've never seen kits like that before

i used to build gunpla, was fun

gunpla is gundam models

[fierce moth]

oh that's a completely different crafting lol
It's more complex...Colouring is hard enough

I like wood crafting personally... That violin is a music box actually but I didn't make it right as the first work I made. This code box is the last one I purchased last year so it's the most perfect.

🤭

[tawny sand]

😔

[fierce moth]

sigh... No bus go to subway station now. Need to find a shared bicycle

Too boring for staying in the hotel. Let's touch some grass

[tawny sand]

what's a shared bicycle?

[shut ferry]

Why are you at hotel now, you travellin ?

Happy new year btw @fierce moth @hexed stream

[twilit mountain]

I assume it's like those things in some cities where they're basically communal/rental, you just drop em off at like little stations set up around town when you're done?

[tawny sand]

Oh neat

My first thought was like a rickshaw or something

[twilit mountain]

I've seen em in a few places in the US, usually larger cities. Raleigh for example has something like that.

[fierce moth]

@shut ferry here

Emmmm how to explain what's shared bicycle....

You can find many bicycles with special colours (light yellow/cyan/light blue) on streets, if you want to ride one, you need to open your payment app to scan the QR on that bicycle, then use Bluetooth to unlock that, you need to click return button on the payment app after you completed the journey and find somewhere many shared bicycles on to moor your bicycle.

Payment app = WeChat or Alipay

Three things are everywhere in Chinese cities:
Shared bicycles, shared power stations (phone charging) and Milk tea shops

[tiny wedge]

You mean cosmetic Companys earns most of their revenue from? 👌

[twilit mountain]

Yep, that's what I thought. Cool that it's pretty ubiquitous there.

[narrow token]

Few, if any arpgs make their money off of basic character customization. It's typically skins of spells/armor/weapons/portals.

[desert jasper]

Also tbh character customization outside of armor etc doesn't really matter that much
You're not going to be seeing the face anyway

[narrow token]

Agreed

[tiny wedge]

Not true, take Lost Ark as an example where you can move camera more freely in cities to show off that lovely fashion. Last Epoch are accually worse than Grim dawn in characters 😜

[desert jasper]

Lost Ark is closer to mmorpg tbh

That's like saying that Last Epoch should have forced multiplayer only content because that other game has it

[hexed stream]

Happy new year

Interesting how I lose all my gaming interest these days

[fierce moth]

Me too

In front of PC all day is very boring

[shut ferry]

Go out and get some air

I love this weather, taking my grand and nephew to the mall

[narrow token]

Can't relate.

[fierce moth]

Good, I hope all of you find somewhere to enjoy ice creams

[shut ferry]

Ice cream after this and dinner

[shut ferry]

[fierce moth]

Get that.抓娃娃机

Alright The bistro what sell matcha ice cream is resting.

Have ate a strawberry cheese ice cream before I reached here so it's fine

[shut ferry]

This dancing machine was so hot in my generation

Youngs nowaday they didnt know about this much

[fierce moth]

Be hesitated for a while but purchased a wooden piano music box at last as the New year gift for myself...
start to play that after I going back to hotel. Balance for games on steam is spent on the music box 🎁

That's what it'll look eventually

[fierce moth]

One of music games (音游), I have played one on my phone calls 阳春白雪

These games tests how fast you can react mainly

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.Rnova.lyrica

[fierce moth]

Go and back, 86 km in total.
I'm in hotel finally... So tired

[fierce moth]

@rose egret why playerbase is quite important for MMO or PVP games?

[rose egret]

Because those types of games require a certain population of people actively playing for them to function properly

[fierce moth]

Thanks

[placid yarrow]

That thing is sick

[shut ferry]

Just got this Jordan 1

Mirror tier maybe ?

[tiny wedge]

WrOnG gAmE?

[shut ferry]

Two bad boys at the same time ?

Shit, wrong game

[fierce moth]

not wrong, just less and less people still play poe 2 now so more quiet here

[tiny wedge]

Im not complaining, im playing Dragon Age: The Veilguard in wait for new season... PoE 2 was abit meh ;P

[fierce moth]

🤷‍♀️ I just... No game I want to play now

[shut ferry]

Download TFT, it's funn

[fierce moth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ukbMcQfe-4

😂 🤣 🤣 🤣 😅 ... My first time in poe 2 is as similar as her... Such a disaster...

[shut ferry]

Oh its ziz’s wifey

[fierce moth]

holy god, I'm sad and happy at the same time.

Happy for all of drama from this video I can 100% understand and they're funny, sad for my skills are as same as her while I tried poe 2 for the first time...

[shut ferry]

Doing poe2 campaign is my best experience in this kind of arpg play

[fierce moth]

lmaoooo... I'm sure she using mouse and keyboard to play too. The same...lol 100% a chaos

[shut ferry]

Have to admit

[fierce moth]

🤣 🤣 🤣 I just don't have so much performance on exaggerating body languages... But what I thought is the same with her hhhhhhhh
First time to see someone play the same chaos with me

[fierce moth]

Gamers: learnt how to evade poison spears from soldiers within 10 dies only
Me: Dies over 40 times and 99% death caused by these poison spears and still no idea when should I press evade button
hhhhhhhhhh

Too early to roll is the most common mistake I made

No experience, so easy to be over serious, Over serious, so more mistakes. More mistakes, more bad mood. More bad mood, more chance for mistakes...

Took me a long time to learn which direction should I roll to avoid these poison spears

[ebon meadow]

Helena (Zizs wife) doest play video games like at all and she picked up Poe1 in no time ,chat helped a lot

[wanton sapphire]

I love it when twitch chat/in game chat is in a super helpful mood

[mental talon]

https://x.com/pathofexile/status/1884769182409265253

Ok turns out I don't have to worry about 3.26 conflict with the games I intended to play

[hexed stream]

What's the tl dr?

[tawny sand]

it's delayed

more time to play monster hunter tho

[mental talon]

Pretty much. New PC getting built for me in about a week or 2. Just in time.

[fierce moth]

Why I hear a uber bad news once I get up and open discord

Alright alright alright, so both of poe and le need to wait longer

No exact data for poe... then it mean poe maybe later than le's 1.2

[wanton sapphire]

torchlight infinite released a (and I quote) gender bending cosmetic for their barbarian

I have no idea what its gameplay is like (beyond knowing its an arpg)

[fierce moth]

lol I'm posted my feelings on poe 2 server and get the same suggestion

Not a fan of art style of tl and it's a mobile game more :(

[wanton sapphire]

See that’s what I said on my poe server

And my dudes there are just calling it zoomer poe1

[fierce moth]

🤷‍♀️ I'm surprised that GGG is more experienced, more employees and more budgets but they just under the same line with EHG.
Both of them needs more time to work on something

[wanton sapphire]

I'm suprised they aren't doing like a hey heres a best of league

slap like the 7 most favorite leagues into one

hell anything + sentinel league would work

[fierce moth]

I just hope EHG don't post the update in the last day of April now

[tawny sand]

april will be no good, Fatal Fury comes out

but nah idk, the leagues last like 3 months usually

so i usually just play whenever i feel like it, usually later in the season

play for a few weeks and then move on

[round pebble]

i cant believe theyre killing poe for a trash sequel

[round pebble]

pretty much lol. its like poe-lite. its a decent filler game but nowhere as good

[fierce moth]

🤭 .

[hexed stream]

Well, at least I can play civ 7 in Feb

Or even d3

[shut ferry]

rip

[fierce moth]

Going back to home now, I need to deal with family gathering today 😕

But good thing is I can see my cat, yarn :)
Will start to craft my wooden piano music box later

[tawny sand]

yarn is a cute name

[fierce moth]

I purchased a meat soup can and many a package of cat cookies for her last night

[tawny sand]

she's gonna be spoiled

i miss my dog, i can't have dogs at the new place i live so i gave her to a family my sister knew

their child was really happy to have a dog tho

[visual pulsar]

I figured poe1 wouldn't get a league for a while

they have to focus on fixing poe2

[shut ferry]

Yeah, and poe1 drop in april..

rip lost epoch

[hexed stream]

Arpg desert for the next 2 months

[fierce moth]

true

I guess lots of players in this circle willing to try tq 2 if it's out in this duration

[hexed stream]

If it is out at all

[mental talon]

TQ2 is a pass from me with the current information tbh.

[fierce moth]

No idea, I just want to try a new loot-based ARPG with epic, fantasy and realistic art style

le did a good beginning, poe advanced my understanding for the gameplay, poe 2 trained my action skills, so tq 2... It's time

[junior oyster]

You could try torchlight infinite btw

Or maybe even undecember

Both free games kinda like poe

I didn't like either but that doesn't mean you wouldn't

[fierce moth]

Cool, me too

[junior oyster]

Just give them a try if you haven't yet. Since you want to try other arpgs

Especially tli

[fierce moth]

alright I'll try undecember again.
Torchlight infinite? Big pass sorry

[abstract karma]

Then screw some PoE.. To be honest Last epoch endgame for me has also troubles but make break from PoE for once wouldn't be so bad.. Especially since 3.26 will be "uncooked" when now then dont have time at all

[fierce moth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbFt8gqkHp8

This streamer comment the latest video from GGG and what he want to say is "I know why these people feel upsat, I understand why GGG post this video, I seen the community is start to split and this is what I don't want to see, the only correct way is we're united and come together to support GGG"

[twilit mountain]

I request to see the kitty

[twilit mountain]

Tiny babies :D

[fierce moth]

Are you a player of Undecember?

[twilit mountain]

Not really. I've been giving it a try recently but I haven't gotten to endgame yet and I won't for a bit longer I think. I am heading out of town later today and won't be back til late Sunday night, so I'm gonna be off most games til then.

[fierce moth]

oh so you're not available for four days... 🫂 Hope your journey going well

[tawny sand]

what's the latest info about tq2? i thought they hadn't posted anything in a while

[twilit mountain]

Thanks :)
I'll probably pop in Discord now and again to say hi, but mostly gonna be trying to stay sane while in a car for half a day at a time.

[mental talon]

There was a leak back in like December from play test/closed beta w.e. and it was very uhhh let's just say underwhelming in my honest opinion.

[tawny sand]

oh gotcha

[mental talon]

For the record. I'm not saying it's a bad game, will be bad or whatever, just from what I saw I was pretty whelmed that combined with the no plans for seasons/leagues w.e. just kind of has me uninterested as a fan of changes in ARPGs.

[fierce moth]

... No controller support in undecember for me even I just begin the tutorial 🤷‍♀️

[tawny sand]

i didn't like undecember, it kind of wants you to play a single character forever

i like trying new things too much

[maiden widget]

I don't get the sentiment if the company drops the ball in the thing I like why should I support it more

[fierce moth]

Silly thing: I even no idea how to attack enemies by my wand...

... damn alright their UI is very confusing. Solved

[fierce moth]

still that opinion, better to play poe/poe 2 if you likes undecember

[hexed stream]

D3 new season is tomorrow

[fierce moth]

👋 Bye, undecember

[hexed stream]

So fast?

[obtuse wren]

Friend has made some new art, if anyone would like to check it out 🤓
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/Ovx9xy

[hollow coral]

Guys, who could've known that it's gonna be impossible to develop 2 top tier ARPGs at the same time?! For sure they can manage to do that without doubling the headcount... Jonathan, what were you thinking lmao 😄
It's like the corporate managers believing you can deliver a baby in 1 month if you use 9 women, but Jonathan thought he can do it with 4 because all of them will for sure have twins

[shut ferry]

Can’t tell, because GGG now is under controlled of tencent, tencent has full of resources to develope anything

[hollow coral]

You can't spawn another experienced team out of the blue, GGG is decade+ experience crafting an ARPG

Another GGG doesn't exist, like where would you hire the people from?

Blizard? All the good people left

Look at all the waffling ARPG projects we have now

Last Epog is the only real contender and now they got handed a huge boost because GGG waffled hard

✅ PoE1 expansion delayed for who knows how long
✅ PoE2 full of issues and not being that much fun to play tbh

[tawny sand]

fate 2 will save us

[fierce moth]

Enjoying my crafting with playing music by headphone

The guide is very complicated hhhh so I can spend lots of time

I sit on the floor directly

[hexed stream]

Just downloaded d3, ready for some blasting tomorrow

In my mind, still the most blasting arpg ever made, along with poe1

[fierce moth]

do the elder give lucky money to the young is one of traditions in Vietnamese?

[hexed stream]

Only to those who can't make money yet

I'm also the one giving out money to younger ones

[fierce moth]

can't make money = non-adult? hah how much age is an adult in Vietnam?

[hexed stream]

Adults above 18, but can't make money till you get a job, most likely after you graduate from university

[fierce moth]

Then Vietnamese and Chinese have the same opinion on this tradition

[fierce moth]

🙏 The outside is go back to be peaceful finally... Super noisy because of consistent and loud fireworks during 19:00-20:50

Still a few people playing fireworks though

[hexed stream]

Half drunk for 1h already

But don't want to sleep

[fierce moth]

😅 Appreciated that you can be drunk always and it never influence your intelligence

[hexed stream]

Only during new year time

Normally I hate drinking

More specifically, I hate the feeling of being half conscious

Good thing is that since last year, the fine for drink driving over here has become astronomical, so there's a good reason to reject drinking for not good enough reason

[fierce moth]

Alright my crafting forced to be stopped because the stick is broke by me just now...

ok I checked the remain steps for a while and it can't be seen if I do next step well. Glad to know it's not a key fragment

[wanton sapphire]

🫂

[fierce moth]

lol ok both of sides are broken now

[shut ferry]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWIFoyREoMI

I guess there is only me playing poe2 now...

[shut ferry]

~6000 chaos orb on stash

[mental talon]

Holy cope.

[hollow coral]

Blizard ARGPs have been bad for a long time and GGG made a video where they said last PoE1 content drop was 7 months ago and they barely started working on 3.26 and won't commit until PoE2 0.2 is out

[fierce moth]

maybe @ebon meadow still playing poe 2 but I guess he need to go to work

[hollow coral]

Epog waffled last year the same way GGG did just now (lmao, GGG copies everything), they're now the only ones to do a big content drop in the near future to shake things up

[fierce moth]

holy god I'm very hungry just now... Completed 3 in 6 pages of the guide today

[hollow coral]

@fierce moth is that carboard or wood?

[fierce moth]

wood

[fierce moth]

Because I have played that double times before, the second time is the longest and i discovered too many things as similar as poe so I went back to learn poe

the only ARPG I don't verify the gameplay is titan quest series

Grim dawn... BGM is too horror and the tutorial is a chaos, outdated graphics too

So in my mind... only le and poe series are competing each other. D4? too simple. D3 and D2? Outdated graphics and too expensive.

[keen wind]

I'm kind of enjoying the long PoE 1 league, been playing very on and off, still have yet to do a 50mil shipment but got my first ever lvl 100

[junior oyster]

I got to level 99 before I just decided to quit permanently

Was quite surprised with myself by getting to lvl 99

[hollow coral]

Gyatt damn, Arma Reforger looking fine as hell, they also worked the optimization so it's not a cinematic 15FPS

[junior oyster]

Damn you certainly are a little picky aren't you xD

TQ is grim dawn but set in a Greek mythology (expansions maybe other places)

And a little older I guess

[ebon meadow]

Yea I l still be playing lol ,back to work this week and getting tired by end of week

2 weeks at home in bed and on pc I got very lazy

So I haven't checked the news on Poe 1 yet it was football last night ,is expansion really is in April ? Don't really mind I still have other clases to try out

Well looks like there l be another BPL event anyways so back to Poe 1 soon tm

[tawny sand]

i don't know if they said when the poe1 league is, only that it's delayed

[ebon meadow]

That's fine it might be like 3 weeks

[twilit mountain]

They stated they have done no work on the next PoE1 league and don't know when they will be able to. Probably looking like 6 months at this rate.

[tawny sand]

apparently they're re-releasing sims 1 and 2

should be tomorrow

watch it be like 50 usd or something lmao

[visual pulsar]

100 probably

[visual pulsar]

they said they already have the idea of what it will be and they will start working on it like 2 weeks after poe 2 0.2 comes out

people are sad but it's just a game it will come out in april probably

[hollow coral]

Didn't Jonathan basically said that they didn't touch PoE1 in 7 months and won't touch it until PoE2 0.2 is out? (they got some people working P1, but it's skeleton crew and people they can spare, most everyone is working P2)

[twilit mountain]

They usually start working on leagues nearly a year in advance.

[visual pulsar]

Hmm I heard they have a skeleton crew of 7-8 people making the leagues for poe1

[twilit mountain]

The most we've had in recent times is 20-something. But they start well in advance still. On top of it being that they have all been moved to PoE2 since shortly after Settlers launch.

[hollow coral]

If any PoE1 league content comes out in April it will be undercooked at best, think Last Epog 1.1 levels of undercooked

[visual pulsar]

I'm more worried about poe2

they should just bring back an old league for poe1

[junior oyster]

This year I only care about grim dawn

Last year was for poe2

[visual pulsar]

would be nice if grim dawn 2 was in the works

[hollow coral]

PoE2 will get there eventually, I don't find it much fun at the moment, it's super pretty though

[visual pulsar]

grim dawn is boring to me now a days

[junior oyster]

They hinted at it

[twilit mountain]

I'd be fine with a legacy league at least for the time being, yeah. Having nothing for months sucks.

[hollow coral]

Grim Dawn looks so insanely dated :/

[visual pulsar]

poe2 is fun until I get to end game it's undercooked atm

and why are there no bosses in every map

fkkk

[junior oyster]

PoE2 endgame sucks worse than d4

Why

[visual pulsar]

LOL

d4 has no endgame

[hollow coral]

Last Epoch with PoE2 graphics and PoE1's content please 🤤

[twilit mountain]

Nah, sorry. D4 has more endgame than PoE2 easy.

[visual pulsar]

unless you consider pit 150 and paragon grind endgame

I don't

[junior oyster]

I hate d4 btw but I hate poe2 endgame more

[visual pulsar]

pit 20 is the same as pit 150

just more hp and dmg

boring

[junior oyster]

Same with pinnacle bosses in poe2

[twilit mountain]

Tier 1 is the same as tier 16 just more health and damage 🤓

[junior oyster]

Just more hp

[visual pulsar]

ya I hate both atm

le endgame is even worse than both of those though

arpgs just suck now a days

[junior oyster]

Oh I got like 200 hours in le lol

[visual pulsar]

I get sooo bored with monoliths

[junior oyster]

Compare that to my almost 2k in poe1 and 1.4k in gd

[twilit mountain]

Wack take but aight. I'm gonna go back to conversing with road trip buddies anyway, later.

[hollow coral]

Hopefully addressed next season 🙏

[junior oyster]

Ngl I did enjoy slormancer for a bit

[visual pulsar]

I'm hoping poe2 actually steps their game up with 0.2

We shall see

[visual pulsar]

yea lets hope all these games can get their acts together

I lost faith in blizzard though

they just want money

[junior oyster]

As if ggg don't lol

[visual pulsar]

ggg actually tries

d4 does not

season 7 is just rehashed s2

add some end game

[hollow coral]

Bruh, PoE2 will take a long time to fix, there's fundamental issues with game design that need adressing (the most gutted and bastardized crafting, slow combat to the point of being annoying, lacking movement skills, huge maps that are ass to navigate)

[visual pulsar]

I don't think any of that is super hard for them to fix but we shall see

[hollow coral]

They'll need to rework all of the above and rethink the whole "more impactful and methodical combat"

[visual pulsar]

I really want poe2 endgame to be slower

the one shotting 4 screens is lame

[hollow coral]

So is getting oneshot by white mobs because they keep nerfing everything

It all feeds off itself in the end - slower combat/harder hitting enemies => perfect dodge rolls are now mandatory, playing melee = ass

[visual pulsar]

I want it more like elden ring

poe1s end game can stay zoomy

[hollow coral]

PoE1 is getting sunset sooner than people think, GGG doesn't have the resources to do both

[visual pulsar]

It has a good run I suppose lol

[hollow coral]

Yea, the transition from P1 to P2 is pretty hard, Jonathan at least tried

Companies with $400 budgets struggle to make a single AAA live service and Jonathan wanted to do 2 at the same time

[visual pulsar]

Blizzard can't even do seasons right how could ggg

[hollow coral]

*$400M

Blizard is dead, has been since all the good people left

[junior oyster]

I still wish we got another expansion to d3

Back in the day I mean

[visual pulsar]

It was in the works

they cancelled it because it didn't make blizzard enough money

The company is greedy now a days

[hollow coral]

D3 was supposed to be the chosen one

[visual pulsar]

and then you have diablo 4 with no prime evils

diablo no where to be seen or mentioned lol

[hexed stream]

In 2028 maybe

But have to be fair here, right now, d4 endgame is actually better than poe2, although both feel boring

[visual pulsar]

I don't consider d4 to have an end game when I already do the shit in the early game

it's lazy design when you just pump up the difficulty with more hp and damage

d4 is missing a proper leaderboard and pinnacle bosses

I'm still holding on to them doing anything right

They just lost one of their best devs too

One of the few that actually plays games it seems haha

[fervent hazel]

people who are burnt out of poe2, is it better than poe1?

[hexed stream]

It's just not a good endgame, but it's an endgame still

Endgame is simply where you farm for items and crafting mats to min max your build, there's nothing grand about it

[hexed stream]

Minus atlas tree and scarabs, you also just decribed poe1 t1-17

[hexed stream]

Better campaign and that's it, the rest are ways worse

[visual pulsar]

Indeed

They all do the lazy design instead of improving ai and all that which is way harder

poe1 is still amazing except for the graphics and no wasd

but you can play it on a potato

[hexed stream]

I wonder which company can release next gen arpg that's just as revolutionary as d2 for its era

[visual pulsar]

none

people who make games like that don't exist anymore

ggg was the best bet and they failed

poe2 is dead

I had hope a little bit ago but it dried up after thinking about it more

they can't fix the endgame

[azure stratus]

i think they can fix

ben's video should have come out sooner, might be the wake up call they needed

[viral galleon]

i think people are being too hyperbolic and doomposting. ggg has been more vocal than a lot of other companies in their situation but they shouldn't have said poe2 won't affect poe1s development

[hexed stream]

Being vocal doesn't mean much if action doesn't follow words

Like they joke: NATO = no action talk only

[visual pulsar]

We shall see in time

I don't think they expected poe2 to have so much backlash

[fresh verge]

went to test my hardcore setup after it died to the invisible ground effect bug a few days ago. this is a t14 map

[fierce moth]

Suffocating love from my mother:

Want me to change my clothes as her flavour --- "God, look at you, as ugly as a beggar, change your coat quickly!"
🤭 ...

"I don't know how am I bring such a ugly girl on the street, your age can become a mother already"

Sorry i never will get married and get birth to a baby, my dear mother :)

[twilit mountain]

Based. Parental expectations like that are bs.

Also, hello, I have stopped being in a car until the morning, we spend the night in Pennsylvania

[fierce moth]

Another family gathering day

Both of today and tomorrow

[twilit mountain]

Oh boy. Hope you hold up okay.

[hexed stream]

Same, I'm half drunk now, and still have to wake up.2.5h later for d3 season start

[junior oyster]

Oh it's today? That was quick lol

[hexed stream]

My liver is strong today, already 95% awake

The key isn't how long you rest after a drink, it's how much food you eat before a drink, and how much water you hydrate yourself after the drink

[junior oyster]

I don't drink so that's useless info for me lol

[fallow vessel]

I realized what end of time music strongly reminded me

[hexed stream]

Turned out I still can't play d3 yet, coz I want to play aussie server, but it's only ready tomorrow 😢

[fierce moth]

I'm in a supermarket now

😵 I feel I'm a bit sick since I woke up from a nap

[hexed stream]

Friendly party tonight, no alcohol probably, but card games are guaranteed

[narrow token]

"GGG is close to becoming the next Blizzard". Steam people say the darndest things. 🙄

[fervent hazel]

aslong not Activision Blizzard..

[junior oyster]

Chrono trigger?

[obtuse wren]

Huge :v

[fallow vessel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISexHPAB-gY

[fierce moth]

https://ashesofcreation.com/alpha-two

@shut ferry I found a new MMORPG, ashes of creation

Oh, $110 per person now, too expensive

https://youtu.be/Q0m17p3Lt7w?si=mdm99rw_jndOBYn0

Oh, an interview with environment artist... I'm interested in watching videos like that always.

Game: Aiblon, another MMORPG

[tawny sand]

tower of kalemonvo will save the arpg genre https://store.steampowered.com/app/2351860/Tower_of_Kalemonvo/

[narrow token]

It's 1998, yes?

[tawny sand]

yeah i'm riding my skateboard and drinking surge

[robust wigeon]

Holy shmoly, that's massive

But it's also a clean and tidy looking setup though

[obtuse wren]

The worst thing is its mostly pretty empty... it could easily be like 25/50% smaller 😄

[robust wigeon]

Ah dayum

Still, I think it looks cool

[fallow vessel]

oneshots my beloved 😍

[fierce moth]

Lol

The aesthetic of UI is another level... I mean it's too ugly and blend

[shut ferry]

I'm still playing POE2 :v

[desert jasper]

That looks like Diablo

the OG diablo

[fierce moth]

https://www.reddit.com/r/PathOfExile2/s/OAToWp459Q

It's the real love for poe 2

[tawny sand]

the inventor of arpgs can only save arpgs, time is a circle, history repeats itself, etc.

[shut ferry]

1 character, full effort

Almost 98

[fierce moth]

I'm finding which game should I play before le/poe release the update

[tawny sand]

street fighter 6

[fierce moth]

I'm picky exactly so hard to find one

[shut ferry]

the witcher 3 ?

[tawny sand]

the sims 1 and 2 anniversary editions are supposed to come out today if that leak is true

idk how much they'll be though

could be fun to play them though if you never have

[fierce moth]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1222670/The_Sims_4/

From EA?

[tawny sand]

yeah it's an ea game, but that's sims 4

[fierce moth]

😂😂😂😂😂 are you a fan of old games

Nostalgic games I mean

[tawny sand]

i like sims 4, it's just really buggy

but yeah i do more or less

idk, there was a sweet spot in the 90s/2000s that had banger after banger as far as games go

and there hasn't been many games that replicate them well

like for instance I LOVE Thief 1 and 2

but there hasn't been stealth games as good as those

[fierce moth]

I'm born in 2000 unfortunately so... No memory for these games

[tawny sand]

or really good interesting tycoon games like Roller Coaster Tycoon, Zoo Tycoon, Railroad Tycoon, etc.

there's games that try to do stuff like them, but idk. they just don't hit the same for me for some reason

same with the impressions city builders like Pharaoh and Zeus, games that sort of do the same thing but don't hit the same

[twilit mountain]

Damn. Kirra's older than me

[fierce moth]

... Your tea are various

[tawny sand]

my tea?

oh do you mean taste?

[fierce moth]

Yeah

[twilit mountain]

Might be an expression that doesn't translate well?

[tawny sand]

ah yeah, I play a lot of different stuff

i bounce between genres a lot lol

most of the time i'm playing fighting games or tycoon/simulation games tho i guess

[fierce moth]

I even don't know what's tycoon games

[tawny sand]

another word for like business management

[fierce moth]

Oh then I see

[tawny sand]

oh, i also play rhythm games a lot

i am not good at them lol

[shut ferry]

I know zoo tycoon

Was a very good game

[tawny sand]

yeh, i'm hopin gog is able to re-release it at some point

planet zoo is ok, but yeah dunno.

i think the last newer game i played was Cyberpunk 2077, which i did really like

and monster hunter wilds comes out soon so excited for that

but yeah

oh and newer fighting games, but i've already said that.

[shut ferry]

cyberpunk 2077 now is a masterpierce

i love cd projekt red

i'm a hard fan

btw the witcher 3 is on sale

[ebon meadow]

I think cyberpunk release was pushed way to early for the Tec we had lol ,the game looks amazing though

Was buggy as hell before

[tawny sand]

yeah them releasing on last gen really hurt it imo

[shut ferry]

Yeah, release was a disaster

[tawny sand]

should've delayed it till ps5 was out

[shut ferry]

But they improved the game a lot

[tawny sand]

also yeah, the 1.0 systems weren't that great imo

2.0 really improved it

[ebon meadow]

I might actually try runescape if I get to bored on PoE2 or get back to osrs or ark

[tawny sand]

much more fun coming up with builds in 2.0

[hexed stream]

D3 for 1 week then full blown civ 7, just in time

[ebon meadow]

If no Poe 1 league or bpl event I need couple of days break from PoE2 xd

[tawny sand]

civ 7 is already coming out?

i forgot about it tbh

endless legend 2 is more exciting to me

[ebon meadow]

What is that price tag for civ 7 ?

I go play empire earth for that lmao

U can't put game like that over 30 bucks cmon

[tawny sand]

civ 7 is let me look

on steam says 70/90/130 USD

for the different bundles or w/e

[ebon meadow]

Yep

[tawny sand]

130 kind of crazy ngl

[ebon meadow]

Even on second pages they are same price

And the 90+ one is 5 day early acces to

EA for what ? There s public PvP ?

[tawny sand]

i assume it has multiplayer yeah

the other games do

[ebon meadow]

Yea but is like matchmaking or an open world like ?

[tawny sand]

oh no, probably like it's always been

[ebon meadow]

Like is u in same world building as others or is a find PvP thing

[tawny sand]

civ is a digital board game more or less

players just take their turns and then it goes to the next turn, etc.

[ebon meadow]

Must have a good community for that price tag yesus

[tawny sand]

go to war with each other and all that

civilization is one of the best selling pc games series of all time afaik yeah

it's really popular

[ember lake]

Please don't discuss RMT, even for games other than LE, thank you!

[shut ferry]

Ser yes ser

[hexed stream]

Not just good, it's the best turn based strategy game out there

But civ 7 prices are indeed expensive, already more than AAA

Lucky regional pricing in my country is good, around 30-40% cheaper

[tawny sand]

idk, i think old world is better than civ

[junior oyster]

Never heard of it

[hexed stream]

Can't wait for some d3 blasting tomorrow

[shut ferry]

Why d3

[hexed stream]

New season

Or new recycled season

[shut ferry]

D3 without AH = dead 😦

[hexed stream]

Nah, it's a good game
And in terms of blasting zoom zoom, only poe1 can match it

A good game to enjoy for 1 week or less

[junior oyster]

I enjoy d3 more than poe (1 or 2) but that enjoyment lasts about a week at max

[hexed stream]

Meanwhile, d4 this season, although acclaimed to be better than previous one, already made me bored after less than 3 days

[shut ferry]

most of my guildmates in poe2 they came back after 2 days in d4

[junior oyster]

Oh wow somebody here is in a guild!

[hexed stream]

Boss rota is cancer for that game

I detest it

[shut ferry]

Why ?

Guildies help us a lot

[hexed stream]

Guilds are good if you're in a good one

More often than not, you enjoy the chatting more than the gameplay

[shut ferry]

Sadly(or gladly), more than 80% of my guildies are 🇷 Ⓜ️ 🇹 ers

[junior oyster]

I'm not in a guild for poe2

I wanna join one mainly for chatting and stuff lol

[hexed stream]

The reason I quit my d4 guild

[hexed stream]

I think you have better luck joining a streamer chat channel

My favorite is 512

[shut ferry]

I mute everything except for whisper lol

[junior oyster]

Nah I hate global

It's different in d3 though

Love being a part of wizard community

[fierce moth]

Installed double parts I crafted yesterday together and a few boards, just done double mini hinges.

They means 5 in 6 pages are ✅

It looks like a wooden piano now :)

[fallow vessel]

thing I thought is a meme survived until release

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3108510/FlyKnight/

what a guy

[fierce moth]

I guess I can enjoy many new memes about le's news on reddit after I get up hhhhh

more people know this news after 8h

💤

[ebon meadow]

D3 season sounds good but I end up playing meteor again

I love that build

I might actually play for a weekend it s been long since last season before the repeat

[fallow vessel]

[mental talon]

Damn I got sucked back in and now I'm playign the big Pohx private league lol.

[ebon meadow]

Xdd u in that group found stuff lol

I hope I l have a bpl event if the league get pushed back to much

Reading twitter I don't know why ,people ranging on this saying GGG ain't gonna deliver

[junior oyster]

Because smol indie team

[ebon meadow]

So many years and people still didn't learn ,first it's an expansion not a league and second they never let us down

3 rd is remembering what Chris said many times they already have league projects ready they just go for the wise one but it's nothing to do if they can make it in 2 month

There's always multiple leagues decided every time they just pick the best one

[hasty grail]

so whats everyone playin while waiting for S2 LE? (Thats not POE2 lol)

[fallow vessel]

because poe2 has many problems poe1 solved long time ago

[fallow vessel]

LE

[junior oyster]

Slay the spire

If I'm not playing poe2 ofc

[mental talon]

PoE 1 then MH Wilds and probably no LE season 2.

[fallow vessel]

did I hear a RAPPER SHIELD???

I've poe2 funny humour sound effects too

[candid sage]

oh we hittin Civ7 for a bit. and Avowed late Feb (hoping it lives up to the hype)

[ebon meadow]

D3 tomorrow apparently D4 ,Sims or anything u have tagged in things to play spreadsheet lol

[ebon meadow]

in m personal defence why i geniunly dont care , i have played 3 clases yet in poe 2 one is still in first 3 acts lul just finished

i still have plenty to try out what i want before i get bored but (theres always a but) i do get fed up sometimes and just play something else that is not arpg for a week

minecrqaft mod, ark, rust , valheim

completely diferent genre , i was looking at raft the other day

i still have no mans sky on pc i havent played and another similar game

thres like 70 untouched game in my library , days should be 40 hours long not 24 xdd

also could just be grinding OSRS with the guild that make events every week to

thres always something to play people are just gating behind what they want not what is avaliable

u want to try a decent shooter , try Paladins its ftp u have a lot of discount on steam and xbox pass surely u can finds something to do

[fallow vessel]

@eager pagoda this is when I strongly reconsidered playing poe2 until they change something

[eager pagoda]

so you're telling me that every boss in LE you faced has died quicker than that?

[junior oyster]

Some bosses in poe2 feel waay overtuned compared to others

This boss is one of them imo

[ebon meadow]

yea theres a few boses in campaighn that have to be tuned

rather damage or the skill rotation

that mino bastred xd , viper with the spears , act 3 boss with the slam, act 2 boss with the ray rain at phase 2 ...

they should be dificult but not that u have to overlevel that much and respec lol

and its mostly the damage issue

[wanton sapphire]

that boss is a def step up given you fight it like 3 minutes into act 2

[ebon meadow]

maps and end game fine , campaighn should be a tutorial like it always was

[fallow vessel]

especially since I had no issue with boss that was just before it

[wanton sapphire]

the part that got me was the post killing boss gank squad

):

Rip HC Engi24

[fierce moth]

Are you playing poe 2?

[fallow vessel]

nay

[fierce moth]

We're verifying who is still playing poe 2 after it's out close to 2 months xd

[sand wigeon]

I am not, add it to the graph

[fallow vessel]

I quit poe2 for now because tired of eating glass

[sand wigeon]

I stopped after two weeks lol

[fierce moth]

And found 2 guys only

[fierce moth]

Are you enjoying poe 2?

[wanton sapphire]

yea

[sand wigeon]

Why?

[fierce moth]

Cool, so 3 guys here

[mental talon]

Im in the Pohx Private League YEP

[wanton sapphire]

game fun

[sand wigeon]

In what ways is it fun for you

[wanton sapphire]

I enjoy playing arpgs?

I enjoy the darksouls-lite gameplay

I enjoy calling in an orbital hammer railgun

perfect strike I think is the best skill in any arpg ever

[sand wigeon]

The

Dark Souls gameplay???

What

Please elaborate

[wanton sapphire]

dodge rolls

actually having to time and not just holding a single button as I lawn mower everything

[sand wigeon]

I see

That’s not souls-like gameplay btw

That’s just good gameplay

[tawny sand]

poe2 dodge roll is laggy, make it like bayonetta witch time instead

but nah i'm just waiting for more classes at this point or a major update or something

had fun

[wanton sapphire]

thats why I called it souls-lite not souls-like

[sand wigeon]

That’s… I see

The dodge roll in PoE2 is pretty useless yeah

[wanton sapphire]

its nice for boss fights

I do wish I could get a strength version of the blink buff thing -> my dodge roll becomes a tackle charge thing that shoves enemies out of the way

[sand wigeon]

I don’t think PoE2 is very good sadly

It’s very disappointing on every level

And I went in with no expectations lol

[tawny sand]

tower of kalemonvo will kill poe2 tbh

[sand wigeon]

The story is ATROCIOUS, the worldbuilding is awful, the gameplay is mediocre, the balancing sucks and it regressed from PoE1

The movement is better and that’s it

The story is by far the worst part though

[tawny sand]

story was pretty bland yeah

sucked, i liked poe's lore/setting

[sand wigeon]

It actively contradicted earlier stuff yeah

It’s bad

PoE2 really does just feel like “how can we make a good foundation but also make it as tedious and unfun as possible”

They wanted to make it hard but they forgot the part where it being hard forever is a bad thing

Dark Souls, for example, is accomplishable, your skill will go beyond the game until insurmountable challenges are now easy, laughable

PoE2 doesn’t understand that

It’s frustrating through and through

[tawny sand]

i have no idea about dark souls, the little i played of them wasn't really my thing

[fallow vessel]

bro just buy some gear for 10ex bro

judt look up some guide bro, game is easy bro, just need to overcome challenge, game doesn't hold your hand, so you can have feeling of accomplishment

also git gud

[shut ferry]

))

Still sane, exiles ?

[shut ferry]

Some tips to farm hideouts ?

[fierce moth]

Wooden piano music box is done :)

[desert jasper]

It looks great

[fierce moth]

@twin pond do you know which snack is it?

[placid yarrow]

Kinda looks like maltesers but liquid chocolate

[hollow coral]

Bruh, people really think that they will develop both PoE1 and PoE2 and that it's gonna be basically 2x AAA ARPGs from a single company
*live service ARPGs
So huge established companies with $400M budgets fail to produce a single decent live service game and GGG will produce 2 of those and both will be AAA, of course, it's the GGG magic (lmao, Ubisoft/Bioware had magic too)

Announcement next year that PoE1 is going into maintenance mode and all development resources shift to PoE2

[narrow token]

Idk about that. But some people do, for sure, get too hyped up and set some pretty unrealistic expectations for the games they play.

[hollow coral]

How will they develop both games at the same time? They obviously don't have the resources given the recent statement

If they can't hire an entire studio worth of industry veterans then they will always struggle with development resources, they have resources to develop one of the games atm

[sand wigeon]

Not a matter of gear

But you’re clearly not saying that constructively

[hollow coral]

This reminds me Destiny 1 -> 2 situation, it was impossible to do both with 3x the staff

[sand wigeon]

Aye

Fortunately, Destiny 2 runs on the same servers as Destiny 1

So as long as one exists the older version will too

But that won’t always necessarily be true with PoE

[hollow coral]

Man, when GGG has to admit PoE1 is gonna be sunset they better have PoE2 in good shape

I can totally understand why they published the last video so late, better get people decent PoE2 experience than sour it with PoE1 bad news

Feels bad for all the PoE1 juicers, especially since PoE2 is so different and kinda mid at the moment

[sand wigeon]

PoE2 is incredibly flawed

And they seem determined to make it as unfun as possible

[hollow coral]

It looks great, but it's not a lot of fun

I hope that Epogg keeps fun-maxxing with new content 🙏

[sand wigeon]

I really have no idea who they’re appealing to by making the game a less fun Ruthless

People who like Ruthless aren’t getting what they want

[sand wigeon]

People who like standard aren’t getting what they want

It’s awfully confusing

[hollow coral]

2 months after launch btw

[sand wigeon]

Mm

The game feels good, movement is nice, environments look cool

But it’s just not well balanced

[hollow coral]

Yeah

[sand wigeon]

Or interesting for a lot of experienced players

[hollow coral]

Super surprised so many people still play it

Movement = WASD

[sand wigeon]

It doesn’t have the same skill synergy as PoE1 despite trying to go all in on skill synergy

[hollow coral]

Movement is sluggish and slow, but WASD feels nice

[sand wigeon]

By explicitly making combo skills if managed to take it away

[sand wigeon]

Aye

[hollow coral]

They'll make PoE2 into a no. 1 ARPG, I'm just not sure if it's gonna be 2026 or 2027

[sand wigeon]

PoE1 was faster on launch than PoE2

[hollow coral]

Epogg let's go, Season 3 in 2025 to establish bigger market share

[junior oyster]

I tried wasd/controller. Can't say I like it at all

[sand wigeon]

And people who enjoy ARPG’s want that power fantasy, the speed, the drops

But PoE2 just doesn’t have that

[junior oyster]

I felt the same way with playing grim dawn on controller

[sand wigeon]

It is preference yeah

Most younger gamers will prefer WASD or controller compared to click movement though

And PoE2 was clearly designed with WASD movement in mind

[hollow coral]

I'd prefer better drops and better crafting so I don't have to perfect dodge roll a boss for 10 minutes to wear it down

[junior oyster]

I mean I loved using wasd in Bastion but just can't feel the same way in poe2

[sand wigeon]

Mm

PoE1 was the first click to move game I’d ever played

Aside from like, top down turn based games I mean

But I’ve also never been big on moba’s

[sand wigeon]

Like Xcom, Fallout, Baldur’s Gate 2, etc

[hollow coral]

My first one was Diablo 1 (if Warcraft 1 doesn't count), duping gold with a ball mouse was pain lmao 😄

[sand wigeon]

I played D3 on console, which was my first ARPG

[junior oyster]

My first was d2 I guess

[hollow coral]

You guys ever used these? LMAO

[junior oyster]

Yea

[ashen osprey]

For me WASD felt nice in poe, the problem was for me the way it is made. Why is it not possible to move my char still with the mouse, doesn't make any sense to me.
Also I agree that it feels sluggish and slow. It just not feels amy good to me 🤷‍♂️

[sand wigeon]

Only when digging through retro electronics

I think I might be a tad too young for them

I’ve used the mice that have a rollerball on the side quite a lot though

[hollow coral]

This 100% has to work at the same time, you gotta be able to have click to move with WASD active

[sand wigeon]

It could theoretically work? If you could bind click to move even with WASD enabled

But left and right click are used for abilities on WASD

[ashen osprey]

I remember I upgraded to such a model. Before I had a box with a mouseball 🙂

[hollow coral]

Yeah, it could, but they don't have the option for that, PoE2 launched in such a sorry state

[sand wigeon]

Yeah

[ashen osprey]

Pretty much every MMO, ofc can you make that work

[sand wigeon]

I tried to play a poison Ranger off launch

Awful mistake

Genuinely one of the least fun experiences I’ve had gaming

I had every buff I could get and still had to sit there for minutes at a time killing campaign mobs lmao

[ashen osprey]

For me: PoE2 in general

[sand wigeon]

Mm, haven’t played many myself either

[hollow coral]

Bro, spark sorc was even worse, playing ranger is so much easier and faster

[sand wigeon]

RuneScape and Destiny are the only ones I’ve seriously touched

[sand wigeon]

Poison ranger was straight up likely the worst build

I’m ngl

[ebon meadow]

Profiterole

[sand wigeon]

I had a friend playing spark and they were doing pretty okay

[hollow coral]

Maybe lucky drops, but I had so much trouble with bosses, no damage and you had to get close with spark or everything just missed and you did even less deeps

[sand wigeon]

Pathfinder is garbage, half of its most important aspects can be easily acquired outside the ascendancy

The concs just sucked

Keep in mind when I say poison I don’t mean gas cloud or whatever

I mean poison arrow, poison ailment, the things that combo with poison arrow too

It was bad.

[hollow coral]

Or GGG nerfing comet sorc because people had too much fun with it LMAO

Bro, just let us have fun

[sand wigeon]

The gas cloud builds were pretty okay

[hollow coral]

Fix the broken stuff like bad map design

[sand wigeon]

Good, actually

[ebon meadow]

Excuse this is Poe no fun allowed

[sand wigeon]

Yeah GGG is really just on the “nerf everything because we’re trying to make Diablo 2 or whatever” grind

[hollow coral]

Having to add clickable waypoints to maps because you didn't realize the map design was so ass

[ashen osprey]

Before playing it myself is just thought "not a game I'm interested in". Then a friend convinced me to try it and I regret 99% of that time.

The game is awful to me, and early access is a lame excuse to me. PoE 1 was already in open beta a milestone in the genre. PoE2 is just a game that is not the slightest fun to me and I wouldn't even know where to start ans where to stop ranting 😄

[sand wigeon]

Pretty much

I talk to so many seasoned PoE1 players and they all agree PoE2 is just not good

And not what they should be trying to make within the genre

[hollow coral]

They'll fix it eventually

Even though the game still has 150k players on Steam, I'm pretty sure they know it's not that much fun

[sand wigeon]

And that’s ignoring the fact that it doesn’t seem to take any of the things PoE1 learned during its dev process

And that they ruined the lore and story of their previous game

And that it has plothole after plothole and logical inconsistency after logical inconsistency

It might be unironically some of the worst writing I have ever seen

[hollow coral]

Me saying week 1 that PoE2 is pretty boring and really tedious and unfun -> get flamed
People realizing PoE2 was overhyped and it's boring and unfun -> many accolades

[sand wigeon]

And IMO it was scummy of GGG to sell this for $30

[junior oyster]

I still enjoy poe2 more than poe1

Just wish it had blight

[sand wigeon]

HEIST SOON TRUST

[hollow coral]

You could've just waited for official free launch? They didn't force you

[junior oyster]

Nah to hell with heist

[hollow coral]

Plus you got $30 mtx currency ingame

[sand wigeon]

I didn’t buy my copy

I got it for free

[junior oyster]

I don't mind this. Remember Bliz did a day or so EA for like $90+

[hollow coral]

Blisart mentioned

[junior oyster]

I love that the rituals hit the other side... lol

[sand wigeon]

The difference there is that D4 was a finished product and it was essentially just a supporter pack

PoE2 is not a finished product and they did not make it clear as to the state of the game

[junior oyster]

D4 was a "finished" product

[sand wigeon]

But by licensing through keys instead of an early access purchase on something like steam, they made the refund process extremely difficult

And skirted Steam’s refund policies

Because you wouldn’t have technically bought anything on Steam so there was no way to refund it if you chose without going through GGG

Who have their own refund policies

[ashen osprey]

People just love to play shit these days. I mean, watch the almost whole mobile game market.
It's obvious, we consumers just want shit

[sand wigeon]

I mean, it was

D4 had a fully finished story with thousands of voice acted lines and cinematics

Blizzard played to their strengths

Good cinematics, good environments, good voice acting

[junior oyster]

The only games I play on mobile are slay the spire and crosswords

[sand wigeon]

D4 continued to grow after that, but Diablo has been largely about its story off launch since… Pretty much ever

[ashen osprey]

That cuts it. A "product".

[junior oyster]

The game barely had anything to it aside from the main story though. Also certain mechanics like resistances weren't working up until s1 or s2

[sand wigeon]

And IMO the campaign was enough for release

[junior oyster]

That least poe2 claims to be EA though

[sand wigeon]

I think that lots of ARPG players just don’t care about story, which is an unfortunate truth

It’s why these games keep getting away with remaining unfinished

[junior oyster]

I mean might as well consider cyberfunk and nms to be good games on release then too, right?

[sand wigeon]

Last Epoch doesn’t even have a finished story and it’s PAST 1.0

[junior oyster]

Yea LE should have completed their story for sure but I lost interest in LE after a while

[sand wigeon]

Cyberpunk was a finished game despite the bugs that many encountered, and NMS was publicly stated to NOT be a finished game

If you know the history behind NMS and Happy Games you can understand what happened

[junior oyster]

Will still play in the forseeable future but I don't see any incentives to come back atm

[sand wigeon]

I myself played Cyberpunk on launch and encountered little to no bugs

That’s just the unfortunate truth of tech

I also played NMS on launch, too

And have played it for many years since then

[sand wigeon]

Stuff like how they were a very small indie studio with no real PR team, or how they lost most of the game in a flood, or how much overtime the team was working, or how the team was donating their own private funds to continue keeping the project alive, how they’ve never asked for a cent since launch

No Man’s Sky is a fantastic game with a fantastic studio

With a case-study of poor PR and unfortunate circumstances leading to a major mishap

[junior oyster]

Ok I love nms too but from my perspective games like d4 were released as unfinished. Example resistances not working. I dunno what else to say lol

[sand wigeon]

D4’s campaign was long, too, it was a pretty damn long experience

[sand wigeon]

I dunno

Agree to disagree?

[junior oyster]

Yea I'd prefer to do that lol

[sand wigeon]

The campaign was more than enough for me, though I don’t have motive to donate hours upon hours everyday to ARPG’s

So it took me a while to get through

[junior oyster]

It felt incomplete to me

[sand wigeon]

I have not played the D4 expansion

I cannot afford it

[junior oyster]

Ah my bad spoilers then

[sand wigeon]

No worries lmao

You couldn’t know

Just saying I have no informed opinion there

[fierce moth]

Game: Aibion, A MMORPG

Why many people enjoy playing a game like that...
Fonts on the UI is too small, I can say art style is too cartoon and low-ploy that I don't think anything worth to explore more, The tutorial make me sleepy already

[junior oyster]

Fair enough

[sand wigeon]

Oh yeah Albion

Kirra you will not like Albion

I don’t think you’ll enjoy losing most of your stuff in a PvP zone

[ebon meadow]

Albion is a bit meh yea

[junior oyster]

Can you not disable pvp in that game?

[ebon meadow]

It's fun because of cross platforms

[sand wigeon]

These are mandatory to progression

[junior oyster]

Like choosing non-pvp servers?

[sand wigeon]

It’s part of the game’s balancing and design

[junior oyster]

Lol

[ebon meadow]

No it's like part of the world i

[fierce moth]

you're right... Sea of thives is a game like that

[sand wigeon]

Sea of Thieves is awesome

But yeah generally I don’t think you’d like PvP games

[ebon meadow]

Good game yep haven't played but looks very fun

[fierce moth]

....Yeah it's awsome if I can play pve only

[sand wigeon]

The PvE is the worst part of the game

It’s very much not for you

Sea of Thieves is about the PvP basically

My newest obsession between working is Valorant which has been a lotta fun

[fierce moth]

yeah I still play that 200h+ though. Shrines underwater just... too beautiful

[ebon meadow]

Now that u mentioned valorant

[sand wigeon]

Deias hated the shrines and treasuries lmao

[ebon meadow]

Riots mmo where? I was exited for that

[fierce moth]

I like them the best on the opposite lmao

[sand wigeon]

Gave her massive thalassophobia (fear of open waters)

[sand wigeon]

No idea dude lmao

We haven’t had news in ages

[ebon meadow]

Yep defenetly good that u explained that phobia name like what xdddd

[sand wigeon]

Thalassophobia is pretty common and well known among native english speakers but we have a lotta non-native english speaker’s in chat so I figured it’d be good to explain it

[fierce moth]

hah... Hard to find next game I can immerse in for a long time. Go on my game hunting

[sand wigeon]

Hunter: Call of the Wild?

Oh I misread

I’m dumb

[junior oyster]

Slay the Spire 😂

[sand wigeon]

Lemme look at my library for a sec

[junior oyster]

Try Bastion. It's a single player game

I love it

[fierce moth]

don't want to play card games...

[ebon meadow]

Yea I have that I get very very nervous when I can't see bottom in water ,funny I live next to a sea lol

[ebon meadow]

U want to try card ARPG mix ?

It's sort of a tabu one at this point

[sand wigeon]

Frostpunk, The Long Dark, Pacific Drive, Kingdom Come: Deliverance and The Pale Beyond are very immersive games but I don’t think you’d like most of them

I also generally have more hardcore tastes than you, Kirra, which can make finding overlap difficult

Oh you’d probably like Foretales

[junior oyster]

I mean you might enjoy it but if not try Bastion

[fierce moth]

Landscapes looks awsome, that's the level I want but... this is a game release on 2011 emmmmmm

[sand wigeon]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1170080/Foretales/

[sand wigeon]

It holds up lmao

[junior oyster]

Trust me it's a pretty amazing game

[sand wigeon]

It’s one of the best critically acclaimed games ever

Made by the same people as Pyre and Hades

Which are also critically acclaimed

[junior oyster]

It's my fav from their games lol

Didn't like Hades much

[sand wigeon]

They’ve never released a product that hasn’t been critically acclaimed actually

[junior oyster]

Also Transistor is good too

[sand wigeon]

Pyre is my favorite game of theirs

[junior oyster]

Just know Kirra Bastion is fully offline game so no playing with others like poe2

[fierce moth]

Frostpunk is the only one I know in these games you mentioned and... I prefer to listen the original soundtrack at last... hhhhhh The BGM just too immersive and amazing so that I only want to listen music (Of course, another reason is too hard for me due to i'm too kind)

[sand wigeon]

Oh yeah everything I listed is singleplayer too

[junior oyster]

But it's a very great game regardless

[sand wigeon]

Out of them I’d say you’d like Foretales or the Pale Beyond the most

But if you do play the Pale Beyond I’d suggest you play on the easiest difficulty

[junior oyster]

I would recommend chrono trigger but that's probably too old by now lool

[sand wigeon]

https://youtu.be/YbwGAUWzxLM?si=BKVZPeB_2qc-5u4j

The Pale Beyond is a pretty damn good narrative experience

[fierce moth]

Yeah I'm checking out this game

[fierce moth]

for example?

[ebon meadow]

Magic ARPG

Ur skills depend on the set of cards u have

It's a bad game but it's very different

And also played with controller for sure

[fierce moth]

Oh ok Narrative = X

Thanks lol I want to watch movies more than play games if I want narrative medias

[sand wigeon]

I see

Well, you do you I suppose

Generally when we say immersive we also mean narrative though

Aside from walking simulators

[fierce moth]

ohhhhhhh I see

[junior oyster]

Recommending Bastion to her has made me want to replay it lol

[fierce moth]

I'm confused what's magic just now

[fierce moth]

Let's go!

[fierce moth]

TCG... A question is this game genre biase on socialization more. It means I must have physical cards, friends and place to play 🤔

[junior oyster]

TCG is something different and I hate it

It's stuff like pokemon and yugioh. Not my thing

[tawny sand]

i liked magic, but it's too expensive

[junior oyster]

But games like Slay the Spire are roguelikes meaning your build will always be different each run

[fierce moth]

hah I can recommend you a game... Wait

https://store.steampowered.com/app/957960/Inkulinati/

You'll like that if you're a fan of roguelikes

[fierce moth]

oh it's on sale too

[ebon meadow]

Someone said TCG

That's an old pic to it gone worse xd

The cases on left a filled with cards to lmao

[fierce moth]

🤔 maybe I should give Inkulinati a try too... I played its demo 20h and broke my score definitely

[fierce moth]

Recommending Inkulinati to him has made me want to replay it lol

[ebon meadow]

I missed the question sorry ,no it's an ARPG

Just the skills have a different flaws ,they depend on cards u set

Magic : legends is the name

Wait it has been shut down lol

So not even sure if the game works

[fierce moth]

no worries

I'm thinking maybe I can try this action game again. My action skills much better now, for sure

[ebon meadow]

The more u explore the more knowledge lol that's how XP goes

U play diferent ARPGs Next time u play new one u already know the basics same for survivals same for shooters

[fierce moth]

oh maybe I should buy dark souls 3 to try

[sand wigeon]

you would not like ds3

[ebon meadow]

yea think of the most complicated game and then multiply it by 5

dark souls is a literal grind

do the lords of the fallen if u like that then u can try ds3

[desert jasper]

lords of the fallen is worse

[ebon meadow]

yea but u get the idea of itemization and stuff

its good as a demo for games like that

and i think its free

ohh lol its not i got free with steam sales xd

[fierce moth]

oh remind me of I checked out gameplay video of lord of the fallen, too much time on walking and finding enemies... I don't like that

Dark souls 3 have the same feature?

[ebon meadow]

they are same genre games that is all

features might vary

but yes for that question u asked lul

unless u know where boses are its walking

its anb old game plenty guides though

and TBF if u can play dark souls u can play any game on the market today

its a complex game to

[sand wigeon]

this just

[shut ferry]

Hey raiders !

[sand wigeon]

isn't true

and dark souls isn't actually that difficult

it's just an unusual gameplay style to become used to

the difficulty stems from adjusting the the style and not the actual gameplay

it's a genre made to be difficult until you're experienced, where it becomes easy

but yes, kirra, you would not like it

[shut ferry]

I like your NE raider cap

[sand wigeon]

dark souls also isn't that complex

it's far less complex than any arpg

it just is awful at presenting its systems

[shut ferry]

Btw if this happen, who will play this game again, or you guys skip it

[fierce moth]

what will be happened?

[fierce moth]

hhhh how do you review both of them? I played both of them on mobile before, My choices are the same always so I can't unlock more endings...

[shut ferry]

League reset in march

[blissful token]

I am playing FF7 Rebirth and I find the combat more complex/overwhelming than any soulsgame

[fierce moth]

oh nice, I hope stormweaver builds will become more cheap after the reset

[indigo shadow]

Guys. What's your favorite hall effect controller? https://youtu.be/TNUf2LI-K8o

[shut ferry]

meta gears are just getting more expensive

[sand wigeon]

yeah, they're pretty one and done games. they're cool short narrative experiences but they're not super in depth past that

[fierce moth]

:(

[indigo shadow]

https://youtu.be/mKUyiYGb5k0 last one

[fierce moth]

No access to discuess that because I still using the ps4 controller I purchased 4 years ago

[indigo shadow]

There's a 60$ category on the first video. But yeah. Stealth pivots is either a waste for money on fighting games or better buy an arcade sticks

I scored 40 dollars on flydigi direwolf 3 controller