📚┃off-topic

[tawny sand]

sad and depressing if anything

[ebon meadow]

yea thats same for me

my first movie was nightmare on elm st. and omen

i was under 10 xdd

i love horror movies

i just dislike this physco stuff today with unlimited gore and no brain

[tawny sand]

yeah i'm not a fan of gore movies

[ebon meadow]

i like gore i just dont like the movie to give me a messege of resebling something in RL to it

its made for fun not education lol

[tawny sand]

this might be a hot take but I really like Blair Witch Project

i think it does confusion and dread really well

and never explains the monster or anything

i hate when movies explain the horror, it's so annoying

let things be up to imagination

also the netflix version of Haunting of Hill House is really good

different than the novel, but still good

[ebon meadow]

me no watch horror no more me to old and get nightmares or more like to much thinking about things and cant sleep

me cracked another cold beer before sleep now

i just watch reviews of them now on YT

if i really like it i l watch but mostly its 80s and 90s movies

very big library

[vapid junco]

i want to watch the world burn
someone show GGG that people tolerated this guy's on-death effect

[hexed stream]

the legend

[viral galleon]

man, who's great idea was it that you can run into the tornado bird on your quest ultimatum

[candid sage]

The same one who made the tornado practically a one shot

[visual pulsar]

I almost one shot the whole thing then the bird killed me lol

[desert jasper]

I haven't even seen the tornado bird
Only the dragon and the big bird

[hexed stream]

I saw all of them, lucky all my builds so far have decent boss damage

[hexed stream]

act 3 life, crazy

[desert jasper]

wtf

[hexed stream]

this, for 50ex, lol

[shut ferry]

@fierce moth rush on your map and find copper citadel, let me know once you find it. i will help you kill boss

[visual pulsar]

Them 6ls can be pricey 😄

[fierce moth]

😅 😢 I want to go back to play poe instead of keeping be tortured by poe 2

Regardless I knew the basic of poe but lack of deep exploration

[hexed stream]

I have no idea why he agreed to sell it at 50ex, but well

[visual pulsar]

Yea I doubt anyone is going to pay 50ex

But hey free market 😄

poe2 is already on the track to be better than poe1

[fierce moth]

I understand something now is no currency no fun. This is the core of poe series... Unfortunately

[visual pulsar]

Just has some issues that are pretty easily fixed

It's in a really good state for being early access

I never seen a game this polished already in ea

6 more classes yes please

[fierce moth]

These fun don't relevant to you if you don't enough currencies to forge and trade

[visual pulsar]

You can get mad currency from other things than just maps

Do ultimatum or sanctum

Can get like 10d+ per run

I would go sanctum just make a char that can farm it

Stack honor resists and honor

Mad easy

I also like expedition they can give you good stuff too

I guess breach is the best but you need so much rarity not doable on most chars

Can't wait till they nerf that

[blissful token]

This is when peepo start missing cof in LE, not saying CoF is without issue though

[visual pulsar]

I can't wait till we get an improved endgame in le

I will play it more

Just got bored with it already

[fierce moth]

🤭 The first step for these challenge is your build is solid enough. Skill gems, skill gem's sockets, gears, all of them needs currencies to stack.
But my currencies are very poor.
No currencies, no upgrade on gears and gems.
No no upgrade on gears and gems, no challenges I can do.
No challenge I can do, no rewards.
No rewards, no currencies.
Back to the beginning...

[visual pulsar]

I got a 6l at lvl 30

There is a trick

Get 4 sockets and corrupt it

bam 6l 😄

Rng though

You can do it from 3 to 4 if you really need the extra support it doesn't really cost anything

[fierce moth]

👀 wow you're lucky. i see lots of failures on market

[visual pulsar]

I have done it a few times already

[fierce moth]

corrupted, then -1 skill level

[visual pulsar]

Yea it's rng

But cheapest way to get a 6l

Most builds can just get away with 5 for a while till you get enough currency to do whatever

@fierce moth https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qkle2hVuh2Q

I wish we had wealthy exile for poe2

This is how I get richer in poe1 😄

[fierce moth]

If they nerf spark archmage stormweaver, good, give me rich reason to go back to poe

[visual pulsar]

I don't see why they would

They are going to nerf mega broken shit

[fierce moth]

oh currency exchange. Still that problem.
I'm poor, so lack of currencies.
No currencies, no exchange.

[visual pulsar]

Like the bugs with the herald interaction still procing when it's on your offhand or whatever

[fierce moth]

sigh. Value currencies which can exchange exalted orbs are poor but currencies which cheaper than exalted orbs are poor too

[visual pulsar]

Damn this is worth 75d

oops way off 😄

193d jeez

I never even heard of these uniques

Very cool

[fierce moth]

🤷‍♀️ 😔 I don't know how to go on the game

[visual pulsar]

What are you farming?

[fierce moth]

Just want to farm many valuable rare items to sell

[visual pulsar]

You do have enough ex for semi goodish gear

I would start farming ultimatums and sanctum

[fierce moth]

my gears are semi-good already. If I want better gears, all of them needs 30e at least

[visual pulsar]

You get the gem chest in sanctum it's an automatic 1d

up to 19d

[fierce moth]

what's gem chest

[visual pulsar]

Spectrum, timeless, royal

Open those 3 first

Mega bank

gold spectrum cache for the unique jewels - timeless cache - royal - whatever you want after mysterious can drop mostly anything, belts can have HH, arcanist divines so its just what you prefer

[fierce moth]

Sorry... no idea what are you saying

[visual pulsar]

Have you never run sanctum before

after the 4th floor boss there will be a million chests

[fierce moth]

you mean expedition?

[visual pulsar]

You want to be looking for those 3

No sanctum

trial of sekhemas is sanctum

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQPVOaEVq7A

this seems like the easiest way to get currency while starting

for now

I really like the game mode

It's fun

[fierce moth]

oh... Then I need to make sure my action skills can pass the last 3 floors at first hhhhh will try that

[visual pulsar]

this is the 4 floor version to get the mega currency items

[fierce moth]

That's not an easy thing to pass 3 floors

[visual pulsar]

I faceroll it

relics are your friend

[fierce moth]

68% honor resistance only

[visual pulsar]

That's not bad

Unlock more slots

You get good at it you can sell carry runs on the 4 floor version

easy 30ex each run

on top of whatever you get from chests

[hexed stream]

the main issue is that you pick a rich man's build

[visual pulsar]

Oh ya for sure

The more popular the build the more expensive it will be

[hexed stream]

there are many builds whose budget is as low as 1-2div, clear speed maybe half of spark weaver or herald, but isn't that more than enough

[visual pulsar]

I expect that herald bug to get fixed this week

[hexed stream]

take demon form infernalist for example, no need to buy weapon and offhand, just buy ghostwrithe, 2 ming rings, you're done, these items are very cheap

[visual pulsar]

Yeppers

I use ghostwrithe on my minion infernalist

1ex

[hexed stream]

I think the chain offscreen part will get fixed, but not the damage

its damage is ok though

[visual pulsar]

people are abusing some bug where it procs from offhand or someshit

[hexed stream]

not offhand, weapon swap

[visual pulsar]

or weapon swap ya

that will get fixed 100%

[fierce moth]

Still 5 chances only... I don't know can I see that boss even...lol

[visual pulsar]

This is just like binding of issac he gets that and then all the rest of the boons are free

That's so many boooooons

Oh shit you can carry up to 5 people at once for 200 ex total per run

Carries make so much currency

[hexed stream]

the only advice I can give to you is to change build @fierce moth
also, that build is getting nerfed badly anyway

[visual pulsar]

I'm sleepy haha

Which build

Stormweaver?

[hexed stream]

spark weaver yeah

[visual pulsar]

I don't even see how it's that powerful tbh

I have been playing it my minions are better

[hexed stream]

with high investment, low investment it feels like shit

[visual pulsar]

minions are more powerful even with shit gear 😄

[hexed stream]

yes, but can you clear the whole screen and 5 adjacent screens with 3 clicks? that build can

[visual pulsar]

Nah takes a little bit longer

But not much

[hexed stream]

I'm talking about 3 clicks, not 30s

[visual pulsar]

Yea I can see them nerfing damage on it or something

or just limit it on how far it goes

[hexed stream]

archmage, that's the number 1 thing on nerf list right now

[visual pulsar]

monk is more powerful

[hexed stream]

trust me, monk is not as powerful as spark weaver, monk clears better, but worse bossing

and the clear is like 5% better

but spark mage does boss 100% faster

[visual pulsar]

Spark is very fun

Arc is not that spell feels terrible

[hexed stream]

yeah, the balancing is horrible right now

[visual pulsar]

Welp that comes in time

Gotta worry about bugs right now

[hexed stream]

and chaos builds, all of them are nowhere to be seen

[visual pulsar]

chaos witch is out there 100%

Chaos mage I thought it was a witch my bad

But that's the only popular one I guess

[hexed stream]

yeah, thematically popular

but the performance is meh

[visual pulsar]

it works but demon form needs to be fixed that's what i seen someone playing

They are going to rework it

[hexed stream]

I hope they do something about 10 demon stacks node

the one designing that must have been high on crack

there's no reason to design an ascendancy node that you want to spec out of it at half campaign

[visual pulsar]

That is pretty normal design for demon form

Had the same shit in wow

I'm sure a lot of going to change once they roll out the content patches

[hexed stream]

time flies too slow, I want patch now

[visual pulsar]

ya who doesn't

it will come eventually

I have a feeling we will get a huge one this month for sure

just in time to shit all over diablo 4 season 7

not like that will be hard to do

[hexed stream]

need to see how the d4 s7 goes, last season was a bit of a disappointment

[visual pulsar]

This one is going to be pretty terrible too

But fun for a day

There just isn't shit to do in endgame at all still

Maybe one day we will get a proper end game in 10 years

[fierce moth]

Play a new build need currencies too :(

[hexed stream]

I can lend you my whole infernalist set of items

how much currency you have now?

[fierce moth]

here

More max honour or more defence is better on survival?

I can't check out what defence here means is bad

[visual pulsar]

Are you taking big honor hits then yes take that

Always go for the movement speed one and more damage

40% movement and 40% damage is huge

[fierce moth]

take what

[visual pulsar]

So when you see a merchant room go there asap

You will see it eventually

It's a boon she offers

They always help you in the run

[fierce moth]

take more defence if I took a big honour hit?

[visual pulsar]

Depends what you are lacking

Are you dying from damage or honor hits

[blissful token]

Why your merchant charge so expensive?

Wasnt all those cost like 120-300+ water only?

Heck..

[visual pulsar]

Some cost a lot of you don't have reductions

[blissful token]

I dont remember seeing 500-600 per purchase during my runs

[visual pulsar]

Maybe she got a bad debuff one that increased prices

Seen that happen before

[blissful token]

900 for that "major boon"

Heck x2

[visual pulsar]

That one is pretty good but not 900 good lol

[hexed stream]

I'm so tempted to vaal this lol

[visual pulsar]

Do it

[hexed stream]

scared lol bro, what if the atk speed becomes 2%, or the lightning damage got lower

nvm, I'll be brave once

at least in poe2 you can't puff a unique item into rare

ok, bravery pays off

[visual pulsar]

Did anything happen

Yea I almost died when I turned my unique into a rare in poe1

LOL

[blissful token]

+1 rune slot?

[hexed stream]

yes

[visual pulsar]

Oh yes

Score

[hexed stream]

today I vaal 2 items, 1 is pillar, 1 is this, both +1 rune, maybe today is rune day

[blissful token]

As long as not ruined day

[visual pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/poe-divine-poe-nyam-gif-9354241074229914147

That will be you later lol

[hexed stream]

haha I'll take that

@fierce moth https://mobalytics.gg/poe-2/builds/ronarray-demon-mom-hexblast-infernalist
here's a really cheap build for you

[fierce moth]

First time to pass 2nd floor. Ok no idea what's going on 3rd and 4th floor now

Ghostwrithe should very good for stormweaver too

[visual pulsar]

I use it

[fierce moth]

hexblast is my core skill in poe lol

[visual pulsar]

And that belt that gives back mana so i have the battery and the other node that takes damage from my mana pool first

I'm going to that other node that makes me immune to chaos damage when i get better gear

[fierce moth]

Oh... Get your meaning finally

[visual pulsar]

Yesss

Open it and show your score

[fierce moth]

only 1 gold key unfortunately so 1 in 4

[visual pulsar]

damn

I don't know which one to pick lol

time lost orroyal

[fierce moth]

It give me triple jewels 🤔

[visual pulsar]

See if any are good

Could be a score

[blissful token]

nub!!!!!

[fierce moth]

🤭 I don't think I can pass 3rd floor

[visual pulsar]

Get more boons and honor restore rooms

You should be ok

[blissful token]

Wow 7k honour

I never had more than 2.5k

[visual pulsar]

Saw some guy with 21k the other day

[desert jasper]

neat
don't got money to buy wilds though

[blissful token]

I am waiting for 1 year for discount

[tawny sand]

yeah i'm waiting on wilds too i think

not that i don't want it, my cpu is like 6 years old now and it's kind of expensive so

figured i'll get it after i upgrade

[desert jasper]

Turns out not having a job sucks for buying games

[blissful token]

😭

[tawny sand]

i picked up the mvc collection so been checking that out and the mvci mod that came out recently

[visual pulsar]

Sell plasma or do doordash

Ez money

[tawny sand]

reminds me of that billboard of "need textbooks? sell plasma"

[visual pulsar]

I do it all the time

takes 30 mins

60 bucks a pop

new donors get much more though

[fierce moth]

👀 Ok I see the boss in 3rd at least.

[visual pulsar]

100 two times then 75 5 more times

[fierce moth]

Filled my inventory with relics now...

[visual pulsar]

Sweet

keep at it you got it next time

[blissful token]

Should have more slots after clearing second boss

[shut ferry]

Next time use omen

[hexed stream]

can use omen with vaal orb?

oh you mean omen of corruption

[shut ferry]

ye

[hexed stream]

that costs a lot

[shut ferry]

guarantee no socket/do nothing on vaaling

[hexed stream]

meaning something must happen right? cannot no change

[shut ferry]

Yes ser

Go up or go down

or add more enchant

Both used omen

[hexed stream]

but I think not worth using on cheaper items

[shut ferry]

but it's not so expensive, only 90 ex.. affordable

if you brick the gloves and can sell 9 10d~ it's worth using it

[hexed stream]

yes if I have 100d in the bank, but now I'm poor af

like only 5d remaining

[shut ferry]

oh, ye switched to gemling

[hexed stream]

also, the enchants of howa don't cost that much, it's the 1-12 lightning that's really expensive

this build, if not nerfed badly, I will invest in it to become the 2nd most expensive build I've ever played in poe

[shut ferry]

I think.. statstacker and spark archmage gonna get nerf soon

be ready xD

[hexed stream]

stat stacker won't get nerfed, herald will be though

the damage difference before and after howa is day and night

[fierce moth]

The most keys I gained this time, but... Meet a deadly trap

[hexed stream]

you can dodge roll though them

[fierce moth]

oh never know that xd

Do this trial is time-consuming so much hhh 0.5h is enough for me to go through 2nd floor only, not even reach the boss yet

[hexed stream]

what's your spark dps now?

if below 50k, I suggest change build

[hexed stream]

yeah, time to change build indeed

[fierce moth]

Not a big change even one more level

[hexed stream]

this build is never about your level or gem level, it's all about 100div worth of gears

that's why I advise to change build, it's not something a newcomer to poe (both 1 and 2 combined) should attempt

[hexed stream]

I learnt it the hard way, that new players should always follow a budget build first

it can achieve 50-60% the power of rich builds, but the investment is 100 times less

[blissful token]

U dont need divs as a merc right

[hexed stream]

no, the build I'm running, the starting budget is 10ex

buy pillar and a few leveling unique for like 1-2ex each

[fierce moth]

I wonder deadeye build is expensive or not

[hexed stream]

Cheap to start

You can go to maxroll, there's a deadeye guide by tuna

[fierce moth]

I guess lightning deadeye is the most similar build with lightning stormweaver

I remember it's the build @tawny sand tried after realized stormweaver is too hard to run

[hexed stream]

Yeah, this build is great, can start from simple and cheap gears, get better with more investment

It's an excellent build for beginner getting into the game

[fierce moth]

Alright...1-10 lightning damage only... No quiver in my stash. Unfortunately I must buy bows and quivers later

[hexed stream]

can use unique quiver if you have any

[fierce moth]

Yeah, but...lol

[shut ferry]

what kiver you need

[fierce moth]

I mean I need to reach lv 64 to use that, very far away from that now

I just lv 2...

[hexed stream]

poor man

[hexed stream]

I have 1 which you can equip immediately

then this bow

I think your leveling will be very nice with these 2, until you get better items

then you can return me these 2 later

[shut ferry]

Ye playing a new char ?

[hexed stream]

LA deadeye

[fierce moth]

yeah

I'm surprised that the first issue i meet is mana management... Out of mana frequently even I'm lv 6 only

[hexed stream]

coz your attack speed is 100%

[fierce moth]

🤔 Play ranger but give me a body armour for witch

[hexed stream]

finally finished campaign

[fierce moth]

RMT ad bots are more rampantly...

[desert jasper]

report & block

[blissful token]

exalted in act 1?

[wispy moon]

I got Div in act 3

[fierce moth]

👀 which alt character are you playing?

[blissful token]

titan mercenary

[fierce moth]

😅 do this game can rport someone in-game?

oh ok reported

[blissful token]

dahell i am constantly having 120 ping

not a safe ping to fight draven

[fierce moth]

Gemling Legionnaire is your current character?

[hexed stream]

it's everything and nothing

[fierce moth]

I don't know how to evade his curse

[candid sage]

the red debuff he puts on you is movement activated.

dont move and wait for it to expire

its like a 5 second root if you activate it

[fierce moth]

I had thought I must move

[fierce moth]

🤭 The difficulty for killing the boss here is as same as spark witch I can say

Very slow...

[fierce moth]

I get the first e too

[blissful token]

lol another one

thats all for today.. range is wayyyy faster than range copium

[hexed stream]

you're in early game with no gear, of course everything is difficult

same as in life, everything is difficult if you're poor

better gears = better enjoyment

[fierce moth]

🙏 Almost died in the second try for slaining that mad wolf

I must say witch already game over on the first mistake, but my ranger still can survive even i made four mistakes lol

[exotic wave]

Also it's too early for all of sparks/lightning spells scaling to be accesible yet

Or... any of them really

[hot crown]

@ember lake https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cn3m8zU5Gw8 - There you go 🙂

[ember lake]

I'm gonna have to play this game now aren't I?

I definitely got some BotW feels with the world reveal, which imo is still one of the best forced-camera-pans-to-show-you-the-map experiences ever

[hot crown]

Some people also compare it to Elden Ring. 🙂

Wuwa 2.0 has been stellar so far.

[ember lake]

Elden Ring how? I hope not combat xD I suck at soulsborne types haha

[hot crown]

Partially it is. 🙂 As in you do need to time your dodges and parries properly to get going 🙂

As for sceneries, they're magnificent as per Unreal Engine 4 🙂

Oh, speaking of which, this is the song Kuro bought the rights to use in that particular cutscene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjx8tyTcFvk

It's 13 years old. 🙂

And it's hauntingly beautiful.

[ember lake]

ooooooooh, nice! I was wondering if it was made for or found - I'll probably be running through LE a bit tonight but I'll def dive into Wuwa this weekend 😁

[fierce moth]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1282100/REMNANT_II/
I guess it's a good game for testing myself like fps/shooter games or not

[ebon meadow]

Sounds familiar

Who made the game ?

I can't open steam on phone xd

[hot crown]

You mean you don't have the app? Or it's unable to pick up the link?

[fierce moth]

gunfire games

[ebon meadow]

I forgot my login

I have it written down at home

[narrow token]

what in the holy wang crud is wuwa?

[ebon meadow]

U don't want to hear the memes from me but I have heard it couple of times

[narrow token]

I'm guessing it's related to that uwu nonsense.

[ebon meadow]

Wuthering waves

Oh yea

[narrow token]

Oh, ew another gacha game.

Just googled it.

[ebon meadow]

Defenetly looks like gacha game

[narrow token]

I swore that off after genshin.

The power progression in that game was so inexorably tied to gambling it ruined all the fun I was having.

[ebon meadow]

I m not interested in a crossplatform gacha at all this days those games takes a way lifespan

Not even playing osrs ATM and there's a league

I think

[narrow token]

idk what that is

[ebon meadow]

It's like drug dont play that xdd

Old school runescape

[narrow token]

Oh, that's a nope. I steer clear of starting games older than 5 years.

[ebon meadow]

Great game if u have a lot of free time and if u can play It at work

It's a mythical game at this point the fact it still has the player base that it does outside bots can give u an idea

[hot crown]

Genshin is a joke at this point, imo. Speaking as a 3yr-ish veteran.

Wuwa is similar to genshin UX-wise, yes, but games of the same genre are already similar to each other in more ways than just UX; you can ask our very own Last Epoch here where it took its inspiration from. 🙂

At the same time, the game already has enough of its own identity, plus QoL is about as massive as one could imagine (the flight alone is worth the praise, imo).

That said, the gacha aspect is only sort-of-mandatory if you want to do some explicit endgame activities which involve certain FotM mechanics, imo. Other than that, it's pretty much self-sufficient.

[ebon meadow]

u have eu west in ur name lol , the only problem here is how game is monetized for us really

[narrow token]

I don't like that characters are stuck behind a gambling system.

[ebon meadow]

we see those graphics intantly skip end game , leaderboard chase bis gear

[narrow token]

And powerful weapons too, iirc

[ebon meadow]

personaly i dont mind game having a stat monetaziotion i have played those games before and worst ones but its already gives u a thought of play untill u have fun but dont make any personal goals to be really good in the game

[narrow token]

In an arpg, a play style change just means maybe rolling a new character and picking different skills. The rng in gear drops isn't a paid gamble, where the free gambles are limited by a paid currency.

[ebon meadow]

its still a gamble at end of the day its just the thing with spending money to have a better outcome

[narrow token]

If those things weren't the case, I'd play them, but I HATE their monetization. They put the things I find enjoyable behind paid gambles. Not my jam.

[ebon meadow]

poe crafting is a very big gamble but so as finding and IDing stuff

[narrow token]

I don't like poe crafting either.

Poe2 rather. Idk about poe1

[ebon meadow]

dont know what to say there really lol , a lot of people play poe becouse of the gambling idea of every monster u kill and every item u pick is a random

[narrow token]

That doesn't bother me. I prefer crafting to be deterministic, not completely rng.

Item drops being rng is fine.

[ebon meadow]

basicly saying it gives u the gambling hype that people like me have

item drop is my favorite part , its really good

crafting is still behind the poe1 first harvest bench and todays balance

or corpses league

[narrow token]

I don't understand the items in poe2. The damage language they use is confusing to me. I don't know what's what.

[ebon meadow]

yea they have very hard wording

[narrow token]

There's also apparently a buttload of currencies

[ebon meadow]

for damage i can give u a "dumb" guide , increase is additive and more is multiplicative

[narrow token]

Damage conversions require math, I think. That's not something I can do. My brain's not wired like that

[ebon meadow]

why do u think GGG hired the guy that made path of building

[narrow token]

I don't know who that is or what that is

Poe noob through and through

[ebon meadow]

he literally gave us not only import and copy API but also an API that u can mess around to create a character without playing the game for 10+ hrs to test something

[ebon meadow]

its a program that makes us plann the build before playing like Maxroll planer or any spreadsheet

[narrow token]

Sounds.... mathy

[ebon meadow]

but its very extencive i can say

[ebon meadow]

it is but without the thinking part , only thing u do its undertand how it works click things that ur think ur build would do and well gear , gems , levels , level of gems , etc etc etc

its more visual than text tipe

[hot crown]

If it helps, I'm stationed at EU-East actually (nevermind the fact that there's still no EU-East datacenter for us LE players), and yes, I am free-to-play-only by default for a mountain of reasons. So the gacha aspect is what bothers me the least if at all (and it seems to be hating me in return, lol).

[ebon meadow]

and theres good amount of people that spend more time in pob than actually playing the game

not a joke

[narrow token]

That doesn't surprise me at all

[ebon meadow]

ohh it isnt a problem at all its just since its the first visual u see gets the alert

burn the weebs meme as well

truelly noone cares xdd

[hot crown]

It's the art style after all, can't help it.

Especially since it is beautiful on UE4.

[narrow token]

Art style sells games imo.

[viral galleon]

They fixed damage conversion in poe 2

[hot crown]

Almost always, triply so if the game in question is in the right hands.

[ebon meadow]

yea , and also that sort of style fixes a lot of performance issues in game

should be taking notes mostly

[hot crown]

Fktiply so if the music matches the vibe.

Which, by the way, is what the game is actually centered around. Sounds and waveforms.

[narrow token]

People think graphics sells games. Maybe to turbo normies, but to the game FANS? Art style all the way

[ebon meadow]

thats why OSRS is still kicking

[hot crown]

Graphics are nothing when it's all wtfrandom-BS-go slapped together. 😄

[ebon meadow]

not a lot of games come close mechanicly

[hot crown]

I mean take a look at Darwinia.

[narrow token]

Also wow and FFXIV

[hot crown]

It's a hella old game, and it's like what, 30mb big?

[narrow token]

I think

[hot crown]

But it damn stands out.

[narrow token]

I'd be more likely to play crosscode than a hyper real version of the same game

Colors pop with a good art style.

[ebon meadow]

the question is what am i rolling for my currency farmer

sitting here at Zizs YT

i need a guide for "dumb" people

spark is first on menu

[narrow token]

Maybe I'll go back if/when they make crafting enjoyable.

[ebon meadow]

that l take couple of years if xd

they against meta crafting but yet release things that do it

fine i l do spark

have vacation from next week for 15 days plenty of time to try some builds

[sand wigeon]

Yeah, PoE2 made crafting really bad

In PoE1, there were certain techniques you could do to follow-through with crafts and items you could use to try and better hone-in on what you want'

But in PoE2 it was regulated entirely to luck, outside of near-unobtainable Omen items

It's really bad

[narrow token]

I really just want a new game to let me make a demon hunter from d3 but everyone seems so gunshy about pistol crossbows.

[ebon meadow]

tal rasha meteor

let me be an ele god

the last seasson hurted so much personaly , that tree was soo good

archon , any freaking witch doctor

it took me 4 days on console to get bis gear at release , so dumb

[ebon meadow]

that is how LE have me hooked runemaster probably the best archytipe i have played in probably a decade after my afli warlock

the amount of combos and stuff u can do with runes are just amazing

yes ones be good other bad but its how u can stack the utility DPS

[hexed stream]

the damage languague in LE is exactly the same kind of language in poe2

[narrow token]

We're talking about 2 different things then.

[hexed stream]

wait you were not talking about LE?

[narrow token]

I was talking about PoE2. The terms they use, how damage WORKS confuses the F out of me.

[hexed stream]

isn't it the same as poe1? by far I see no difference, everything is literal
you just don't know fully what interact with what and that needs more testing from players

whoo, there's a small patch note

[narrow token]

I didn't play poe1 so idk. Some stuff just doesn't feel straightforward to me.

[blissful token]

So what exactly is bricking atlas?

The tree or the world map?

GGG acknowledges it as known bug

Also nice they put the tower radius not shown in hideout as high prio bug

Crossbows sometimes failing to shoot/problems related to reloading

^ this when i was playing merc

Fixed a bug where many Precursor Tablet modifier descriptions did not display when hovering over Maps in radius of the completed Tower.

I thought it was weird when the tablet says like 9 maps but less than 9 actually gets the modifier

[hexed stream]

the link between 2 maps sometimes doesn't work

[hexed stream]

for example?

[candid sage]

Yeah, ive hit this bug there too. Highly annoying

[narrow token]

I can't pull up the game, it was uninstalled weeks ago. Vaguely though, I recall not being able to tell if the damage stuff on my weapons actually did anything. I could not tell, at a glance, if an item was an upgrade or not. I CAN do that in LE and D4, btw.

[hexed stream]

I assume that's 100% because you're not familiar with poe in general

The skill tag system in LE for example, entirely comes from poe

So the tags need to be matched before the affix can affect

Which is why I don't understand why you can tell things in LE but not in poe, coz they are the same system of language

[fierce moth]

🤔 interesting, the only bug I met is fleshing ground in Utzaal, which is very annoying

ok I reported that on the forum...Hope they can protect our eyes as soon as possible

[shut ferry]

Isn't that make items worthless, everybody can own their own godly gear then we play game for what man

[hexed stream]

no, deterministic crafting can only be as good as midgame gears, around 10-30div in poe terms, beyond that it's purely rng

so if you want to go beyond, you still have to chase rng

crafting just serves as baseline to get you halfway there

[azure cairn]

this crafting sucks in other games, but it works in poe

no point for deterministic crafting since they've made bunch of currency and drops

[narrow token]

If I could show you what I'm talking about, I would. But I can't.

[azure cairn]

I hate poe crafting but it does make sense with the theme

[hexed stream]

this would be true if they buff drop rate of regal and alchemy orb by at least 10 times, along with omen drop rate

[azure cairn]

I've got plenty of them, chaos is what i am missing the most

[hexed stream]

I mean in early game
in their interview they said they wanted you to craft right from the beginning of campaign, but in reality you can only do that when you're in t15+

[azure cairn]

they disabled crafting bench in EA right? or it is deleted from the game?

[hexed stream]

maybe disabled, I heard somewhere they will add it if there's enough demand, which obviously there are more than enough

but really, the most important thing right now is to allow us to remove/replace runes

anyway, vaal just gave me this

[fierce moth]

Vaal orb give you 25 spirit?

[hexed stream]

yup

[fierce moth]

...

[hexed stream]

from 10ex item to at least 2 div item

[shut ferry]

Got the +21 spirit on that 3 dragons helm

nobody buy so i sold it lol

[hexed stream]

I'll just put it in the 5d tab first to see, then tomorrow I drop to 2d tab

[narrow token]

Tried to play grim dawn. Holy nuts I'm not made for games like that anymore, I was so lost the whole time.

I'm too old for this.

[fierce moth]

On the opposite, i'm too young for this

[narrow token]

I might have had the patience when I was a kid to try and sus out where the quests want me to go. But now.... I just don't.

Just give me a quest marker now. I just want to see the sights, damn.

[fierce moth]

do you play poe for years?

[twilit mountain]

Crafting bench straight up does not exist in PoE2. Like at all.

[azure cairn]

then no crafting at all

like at all

arng based

[fierce moth]

how to post pictures on poe forum?

I'm confused

[blissful token]

There is never too young to play arpg, 5 years old can play diablo

[twilit mountain]

It is probably my biggest hangup with PoE2. I really miss crafting.

[narrow token]

Mine is how stupid it makes me feel. Also items feeling weird and scarce.

[rose viper]

i think 99% of ppl misnderstanding the term "deterministic crafting"

it doesnt mean you can get whatever you want

the problem with poe2 crafting is that the fuel for deterministic crafting is soooo goddamn expensive

for the majority of players i mean

[blissful token]

How far will this bring me in campaign? After the reduced reload speed, it reloads like 1.12s and feels clunky along the acknowledged bug

I think the base dmg is too low and should be replaced not long after lul

[rose viper]

for example an omen of whittling to have like <5% chance of an affix you want - cost around 6 divines, with which you can gear an entire character to t15 maps comfortably

and that's already the best case you could hope for

[narrow token]

7-13 damage SEEMS low to me. But then I had ppl telling me putting a rune in my weapon that was 1-20 lightning damage was good. Idk.

[blissful token]

Majority of the uniques are just pepega

[narrow token]

like d4? coolio

[hexed stream]

lol I didn't know you can only roll str on belt, no other attribute allowed

[shut ferry]

No.. i'm new to poe2 ..played poe 1 for a while, not much

[hexed stream]

everyone is new to poe2

it's just 1 month old

[shut ferry]

yes ser

I disagree with the guy above about rng crafting,

[fierce moth]

no sir, they're old to poe 2 and i'm pretty new because they already tried all contents in ea but I still far away from that

[hexed stream]

that's why a cheap budget build is always recommended, so that you can get to try all contents without much investment'

[fierce moth]

I don't realize who's the boss of ruital until I stuck on the boss in ritual area last night

Played campaign four times but still no idea for that is amazing 😅

[shut ferry]

i see you playing bow girl...

herald's gears are even more expensive than your old one xD

[fierce moth]

herald's gears?

[shut ferry]

It's a bow build

[fierce moth]

The top bow is more expensive than the top wand?

[hexed stream]

that's saying 20 billion dollars is more than 10 billion, sure it's more, but both numbers are unimaginable numbers to casual players

so for now you definitely don't need to worry about that

[shut ferry]

Doesn't matter, we play in range of our budget

Don't worry

[hexed stream]

it's not a healthy thing to play arpg and only look at the highest, most expensive form of the build

the process is important too

[blissful token]

Not sure what is the economy state for mace warriors. Is it cheap cuz mace is pepega or is it expensive because u need godly gear to do what other class can already do

[fierce moth]

🤭 Ok I remembered that.
The most valuable affix for a bow is Adds # to # Lightning Damage, more is better

attack speed is cheap

[blissful token]

I am playing xbow and i want all the atk spd

[fierce moth]

And this affix on a Expert Dualstring Bow is the best

🤔 Gain life per enemy killed + gain mana per enemy killed should be the best suffix combo

[fierce moth]

because the end game is the only part which can get fun from the dual with high damage and best gears

That's a perfect Expert Dualstring Bow if it own all of them and fit the min requirement...

[hexed stream]

that's not how you do filter for trade

[fierce moth]

which problem is it

[hexed stream]

too many stats existing on the same item

you can search on trade this way, only if you have 100 div in your stash

to find more budget items, it's always 2-3 stats on the same item, then you add a count search

[fierce moth]

😂 indeed. I just see if any perfect bow I want on the market

stats isn't the problem always though. the problem is tiers of affixes

[hexed stream]

also this is wrong, the best suffix for a bow is always additional arrow

[fierce moth]

But that's the price problem... not relevant to search problem

[hexed stream]

they are totally relevant

you control the price of item by search

you search for perfect item, you only get expensive price

[fierce moth]

yeah so I just search Expert Dualstring Bow

[hexed stream]

the key thing is to work from cheap upward

only looking at the most perfect one is a formula for failure

[fierce moth]

I want to know how expensive a perfect bow compare with a perfect wand is

[hexed stream]

there's no point

say wand is 200 div, bow is 300 div, then what are you gonna do about the info?

[shut ferry]

You can't, difference stats

[hexed stream]

what you need to do is to learn how to use trade filter so that it shows 20ex item when you only have 20ex, 2div item when you only have 2div

[fierce moth]

then you need to know which affixes are what you want the most and some sacrifice is a must

[hexed stream]

yes

[fierce moth]

Such a pity no crafting can do anything on letting a bow or a wand closer to dreamy one

All of them is rng

[hexed stream]

even if there is like in poe1, it will cost around 1-2 mirror

there's no such thing as cheap and perfect together

[fierce moth]

I mean, know which affixes maybe let this bow expensive or very cheap help me to list the price more accurately

[hexed stream]

lower the value, and if necessary, remove 1 affix

like the life per kill for example, you don't need that

[fierce moth]

🤷‍♀️ not in the end game, no idea

[hexed stream]

not even in early game

[shut ferry]

Better way for you, less thinking

This way can save our time

[hexed stream]

good bow 8ex, for example, this is more than enough to carry you to t15

[fierce moth]

it's appeared xddddd

[shut ferry]

Mirror service, you need to spend like 150+ div to do that

Cost 1 mirror + 150 div

[hexed stream]

no additional arrow though

[fierce moth]

😮‍💨 lv78... At least two weeks

[shut ferry]

No problemo

[hexed stream]

no it's not 2 weeks lol

more like 2h

[shut ferry]

Friend carry = go up fast

[hexed stream]

fk lol, this build at 15div budget ways outperforms the 30div blood mage one

[sand wigeon]

No, to get perfect gear you’ll dump tons of currency into stuff. Crafting methods can only help to guarantee some things. Fossils are great for this but to constantly fossil re-roll, you need TONS of currency.

[fierce moth]

👀 both of you don't sleep

[twilit mountain]

Lol not at all. We have had two leagues in the entire history where that was a thing.
Top end gear in PoE1 is crazy expensive. As in multiple mirrors for some items. Or even some that have a multi-mirror mirror fee.
Crafting in PoE1 is complicated but strong, and also expensive. Thinking everyone runs around in god tier gear means you have never interacted with it before.

[twilit mountain]

I mean, she and I both have sleep disorders. So while we do sleep it is at very irregular times.

[fierce moth]

do you know any picture (jpg especially) uploaders?

[twilit mountain]

Like websites?

[fierce moth]

yeah, I need to upload it to the web then get the link

[twilit mountain]

Imgur usually works fine. Lightshot exists as well.

[fierce moth]

......

No idea why only me can't post pictures on poe forum

alright, no idea. it's GGG's problem. I already used the link from imgur but don't work still

[hexed stream]

lunch time

[sand wigeon]

I sleep very randomly, yeah, lmao

[twilit mountain]

Lol, good name Kirra

[hexed stream]

took me a while to process the name lol

my OCD doesn't like the extra 1 dex

[blissful token]

Yo minimap, is gemling mercenary dex and atk spd stacking expensive?

I am going titan mercenary grenade with hulking form which i think is more budget

I am not sure if i can reach the dex > atk spd node as warrior start

I know i wont have howa

[hexed stream]

howa is a must, otherwise stacking atk speed will be tough
but howa price is tanking though, no worry

[mental talon]

Damn that's hot didn't realize Phaze did Arbiter+4 in HCSSF. What a gamer.

[hexed stream]

not expensive, there's even a non-howa version

pillar alone is enough to carry your damage

https://mobalytics.gg/poe-2/profile/9ab04af3-7f61-4a49-81be-c52b66c33a18/builds/748866ea-29a6-476a-93c5-e75126210baf
here's a guide I semi follow

[blissful token]

Damn... deias shown me the pillar

I think titan hulking form is the most budget version

How much is pillar and howa?

[hexed stream]

pillar is like 1ex? howa is 2div min

but the best pillar is 5div: 2 sockets and 8% atk speed enchant

like this, 5div

[fierce moth]

?1** 2015**...

[sweet iris]

Last Epoch just knows what you need while working hard!

[hexed stream]

@fierce moth you want this? just dropped

[fierce moth]

Yeah! I'll visit your hideout after I go back home

[hexed stream]

ok, I leave it in the stash just for you
not the expert dualstring bow but at least it's something

[fierce moth]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DDFcaVYIRMm/?igsh=MTdzcmIwZTc2azU1Zw==

I want a space key instead xddd

[hexed stream]

I'll be back home in at least 1.5h

[fierce moth]

No worries, mine is 3h.
I want to eat matcha ice cream yeah 🤤

[hexed stream]

🤤🤤

[hexed stream]

Oh they fixed the trade site according to the correct value of div now?

[fierce moth]

Three boxes in total, worth 30 poe 2 ea keys
... No boarder on luxury

Ok I learnt one thing is all products from fresh is luxurious (extre expensive)

I guess they're not cheap even in France?

I'm interested in viewing their official website now

[vagrant topaz]

Never heard of them
Though I am not a big cosmetic product user

[fierce moth]

It's not a good price in EUR too 🤔

The most expensive one, EUR price cheaper than RMB 445 1362 after done the currency exchange
Yeah... Buy it in France is much more cheap if I can.
I guess taxes is the big reason 😂

1.6x price in China

[ebon meadow]

That price is drying my eyes and aging me already

With over 100€ discount as well ,now I understand where my sister salary goes lol

[sweet iris]

That money is better spent on high end supporter packs for games where you get hoodies and figurines. They last longer and who cares if you get older, just dim the light and you still look fine :p

[hexed stream]

girls have too high of a maintenance cost

haven't met a single girl whose monthly cosmetics cost is less than 20% of salary

[ebon meadow]

I agree then I get a 60€ cap for my self and I get agro for a month lol

[hexed stream]

the only thing I would barely consider a cosmetics in my inventory is facial soap

[ebon meadow]

Can't really complain I used to like and buy a crap tone of expensive clothes before

Still have jackets that are around half of grand

A really my river island jacket is 749£

[hexed stream]

my most expensive stuffs after I started working have always been electronics

or hardwares

typical guy spending

[simple needle]

i need a fancier mechanical pencil

sadge

[vagrant topaz]

I did and I married her

[ebon meadow]

i still use the green bosch one lol but u can look up if Parker makes any

[simple needle]

bosch and kaweco do make cool pencils

[hexed stream]

you won the lottery of life

[fierce moth]

Xdddddd

@hexed stream Ok I'm online in poe 2

[hexed stream]

I can't invite you to party, so strange

[fierce moth]

thanks 🫡

[fierce moth]

Get double wild exalted orbs after visited @shut ferry 's hideout

How should I call you mate, by the way?

[hexed stream]

lol this thing so expensive?

[shut ferry]

i'm Bjorn Ironside

[fierce moth]

Bjorn, ok

[shut ferry]

Do you want some kiver

I have some good kivers

[fierce moth]

quiver? The problem is my level is too low XD

[shut ferry]

Finish act 6,i will help you reach 80+

[fierce moth]

And I'm not sure which affixes I want on quiver except attack speed/crit chance/crit damage bonus/add xx to xxx on lightning damage

[shut ferry]

Ah you might need some good boots to move faster

[fierce moth]

I'm a bit tired at speedrunning campaign so i'm thinking which angle should next fan art for poe 2 be, in buried shrines

Lack of attack speed and mana regeneration at the beginning kill the experience well

[shut ferry]

What bow you using

[shut ferry]

And your boots ?

[fierce moth]

Just get a nice quiver, I guess both of attack speed and projectile speed is valid on increasing attack speed?

[hexed stream]

early game don't think about crit at all, you won't have any to reliably use it

[hexed stream]

I can lend you this boots, easily the best leveling boots in the game

[shut ferry]

Come to my hgo

my ho

I got some starter pack for you

@fierce moth

Use them for now

[fierce moth]

wow interesting result 🤔

Just elemental resistances are bad

[shut ferry]

What the fvck

[fierce moth]

......The game is frozen lol

[fierce moth]

I guess all mods I can get from a map are here

[shut ferry]

Shame, it's a low quantity map

Man i love this sound

[hexed stream]

have been days since I last saw a div

[spiral path]

have any of you guys played torchlight infinite? wondering if its worth getting into

[fierce moth]

@twilit mountain played some before

The art style isn't my tea + the ui is designed for mobile more = i don't like torchlight infinite

[candid sage]

its fine. its a bit more arcade-y/mobile-y in its art style. kinda more absent minded farming.

[hexed stream]

so I got 4 breaches in this freaking layout

[candid sage]

f

[fierce moth]

Too many branches and too cramp these twists are. The common for all dungeons I played in poe 2

[hexed stream]

90% fire res and on death effects still eat me for breakfast

[exotic wave]

Could be worse, you could get 10 breaches on that map

And really hate life

[fierce moth]

What I feel amazing is Minimap and Bjorn don't think playing poe 2 is like working...This feeling is stronger for me after I have trouble on spark stormweaver

Admired 🙏

[fierce moth]

https://x.com/micsolana/status/1876992570762416136

What happened in LA so flames are everywhere?

[shut ferry]

Burning forest maybe

Holy

[fierce moth]

The Santa Ana winds, also sometimes called the Devil Winds,[1][2] are strong, extremely dry katabatic winds that originate inland and affect coastal Southern California and northern Baja California. They originate from cool, dry high-pressure air masses in the Great Basin.

Santa Ana winds are known for the hot, dry weather that they bring in autumn (often the hottest of the year), but they can also arise at other times of the year.[3] They often bring the lowest relative humidities of the year to coastal Southern California, and "beautifully clear skies".[4] These low humidities, combined with the warm, compressionally-heated air mass, plus high wind speeds, create critical fire weather conditions, and fan destructive wildfires.

Typically, about 10 to 25 Santa Ana wind events occur annually.[5] A Santa Ana wind can blow from one to seven days, with an average wind event lasting three days.[6] The longest recorded Santa Ana event was a 14-day wind in November 1957.

From wikipedia, the reason to cause these wild flames...

😢 I can feel how horrible and tragic these flames for their life

[spiral path]

multiple forest fires happening at once during a time of very extreme santa ana winds. so it's a combination of high fire risk and high wind speeds literally feeding the fires

plus the areas on fire have been without rain for many months now which has dried up the land

don't live in socal anymore but i grew up there and all my family still lives in the area. wild fires are common because the area has a fire ecology, but these ones are some of the craziest in history

usually the fires stay in the more rural or sparsely populated areas but now they're starting to encroach on the more urban/suburban areas which is mostly unheard of before

[desert jasper]

Basically just waited for the right kind of wind for this to happen

[fierce moth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6FlsTetZgY

I guess everyone who played the whole campaign of poe 2 will get some fun from this video 😆

[fierce moth]

ok watched it 27min 27s without any resume

[shut ferry]

I love these feeling when you play campaign, zamanra toke me half a day to kill

Really hard challenge

[fierce moth]

who's Zamanra

[shut ferry]

The faridun king

Act 2 final boss

I begged for help in global

[fierce moth]

ohhhhh

madwolf, silverfist and viper let me want to give up the game

oh and kathbreaker

and the optional boss in... alright forget the name of map

[shut ferry]

Yeah

Really exciting experient

You not getting that in endgame

[fierce moth]

Silverfist is the hardest boss for me

I can say I never stop to stick in any boss combats lol

just many of them is less on deaths

[narrow token]

I'm curious about what they'll do about power progression. Some people want the game to basically be act 1 for the whole game. And then there's the traditional arpg players who just wanna blast. I wonder who they'll favor.

[spiral path]

hardest boss for me was mektul the forgemaster. i still haven't beat him i just gave up lmao

came close to hitting dps check so many times but i kept getting tilted

[sand wigeon]

It’s really the other way around. The traditional ARPG players want it to stay bullshit slow, luck based and more similar to D2. The non-traditional players want it to be closer to what PoE1 is now, just dialed back a bit: faster, somewhat deterministic, etc.

[fierce moth]

https://www.reddit.com/r/PathOfExile2/s/IKldfWaWxO

🤣🤣🤣.

I feel maybe my spark stormweaver still have hope on more damage after seeing this post even it'll be nerfed later

[ebon meadow]

i m making one xdd they better dont nerf untill a month later

but i did grab a guide from Ziz

i do think personalyy that its not getting that much of the nerf but the rest of skills getting a buff to balance

a lot of skills are underperforming on the content the game gives dificult wise

rather tune the content or the skills , the second one is easier

and this is the diference between when even u have a guide to follow but u know how to make the leveling until the build sactually comes on line without sufering XD

i asked comunity what the best way to level and i got the issue fix that i dont have to bash my head leveling untill 46

and for the image above , people should really stop overcloaking their cards unless they know what the f they are doing

i can run the game on 1050 TI on 60 fps sometimes it drops people with something over 4090 shouldnt have the rights to complaign lol

[runic carbon]

I got a new pc a few days after Christmas excited to see how the game runs on it

[ebon meadow]

56 bucks gone but i love it

(i had over 60 bucks left in points xd )

[narrow token]

I think I could appreciate more class-themed armors.

[ebon meadow]

if they carry on the achivments set , that will be 4 sets every league

thats a lot of MTX

2 from suporters , 1 from achivemnts and one from the league theme chest i think

or maybe theres two in the chest i cant actually remember

wings and portals are my weaknes lol i love my portals

also i m running the game at 720 xd u cant really apreacite it , performance over graphics for me always

disord image upload downscale and stuff

probably better to see them on since shop have ingame overview

[visual pulsar]

I would assume they will

Just fits the seasons well

[mental talon]

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3687933

Oh baby

[candid sage]

fancy. get a whole in person announcement for a EA patch

be prepared

[viral galleon]

druid and huntress likely coming and they wanna do a vid showing off for them

[narrow token]

After a month?

Press X to doubt

[viral galleon]

druid and huntress were 90% finished when ea l aunched

[narrow token]

Is that an official number?

[viral galleon]

jonathan said they almost had druid on ea release but the third transformation wasn't finished and huntress also needed animation work

[narrow token]

So not official. Good to know.

[viral galleon]

i'm saying i'm speculating that the patch will have druid and huntress based on
a) a livestream to show off whats coming in the 0.1.1 patch means they want to SHOW something, like a new class or act or mechanic
b) jonathan said druid and huntress were nearly finished but missed the deadline to be included in EA

i'll fish out the interview where jonathan himself said druid and huntress are almost finished if you want. they've shown off transformation and spears before

[narrow token]

Well I pretty consistently said I don't think "90% done" is official. They might be close, but we don't really know how close. How could we, really?

I also don't like getting hopes up.

[hexed stream]

eventually you will blast, otherwise this is no longer arpg genre and there would be no point chasing after better items, it's just about how hard you're meant to blast, I think they don't want zoom zoom level like poe1, but still enough blasting with enough gears

[narrow token]

Realistically, I suspect they might have plans to address armor, some light balancing. Depends on when that patch is actually dropping, I guess.

[hexed stream]

and life too

[narrow token]

Maybe. But I'm not sure there would be NO point chasing after better items. Don't people kinda do that in soulslikes? Level up, get better armor/upgrade weapons and armor?

[hexed stream]

there's a huge difference between chasing item just to get by, vs chasing item to become a god

that's why arpg will never become souls like, and vice versa

[narrow token]

PoE 2 has a fair amount of soulslike elements. Kind of why it has those user tags. It's not completely misinformed.

[hexed stream]

having souls like elements is again, vastly different from becoming souls like

[narrow token]

I suspect we're not far from someone making a soulslike arpg.

Completely

[hexed stream]

no, that will never happen

[narrow token]

You must know the future.

[hexed stream]

I don't know the future, but I know the core principle of arpg

[narrow token]

Can I have lottery numbers?

[hexed stream]

people play arpg for completely different reason from playing souls like

you may say opposite

[narrow token]

I'm sure they do.

NOW

Who knows what can change in the future?

Unless of course

You can tell the future

[hexed stream]

you just don't know enough gaming to tell this

[narrow token]

Again. Lotto numbers

[hexed stream]

I can see

[narrow token]

I've seen enough to know that we're not all-seeing. To think so is the height of arrogance.

[hexed stream]

arpg is as far away from souls like as a strategy game is from a shooting game

[sand wigeon]

You're talking about Nioh. Good job. It sucked.

[hexed stream]

the way you think is more like ignorance
you don't know the principle, the core value, vision of arpg at all

[sand wigeon]

The ARPG mechanics in Nioh were by far the worst part of the game.

(Nioh doesn't suck, to clarify, I'm talking about the fusion. Nioh 1 wasn't great, but Nioh 2 is pretty good.)

[sand wigeon]

I can, actually.

[hexed stream]

you can only see the shallow part of it, not understanding why people love souls like elements in arpg, but not the entire souls like experience

it's all about making the process to become a god more challenging, but the end goal in arpg never changes, to become a god with great gears

[narrow token]

I'm sure I'll get nuanced opinions and discussion here. sigh. Never mind can we drop it? We disagree. Move on.

[sand wigeon]

I am willing to give you nuanced discussion and opinions! I have!

Feel free to ask questions about anything I stated. I don't really speak on things without nuance.

[hexed stream]

I don't care if you agree or disagree, you don't follow the core principle of arpg so it's not worth discussing the future of something you don't and maybe will never get

or not want to be a part of

[narrow token]

And you're dismissive and condescending. Let's move on.

[sand wigeon]

While I wish the ARPG mechanics across the Nioh series were better executed, it falls really flat, sadly. The gearing system is by far the most tedious, confusing and cluttered part of the games.

[hexed stream]

better condescending than ignorant and still think you're right

[sand wigeon]

How about this: you both suck. Good enough?

[hexed stream]

any idea opposite to the core principle of arpg should immediately be dismissed, no question asked

[sand wigeon]

Well that's. Silly.

Anyway

[hexed stream]

that's not, we have different things in life to enjoy, but we don't want 1 thing to become another

[sand wigeon]

It just had a lot of issues stemming from... numbers, really.

You got a lot of gear, and you had to check pretty much all of it. And while buffs were noticeable, it was so often that the buffs certain gear gave you just didn't really matter, and a lot of it wasn't wholly clear to the player. It kinda created situations where I have tons of the same stuff with slightly differening numbers, to the point where it's oft' the player just clicks one at random and doesn't ever bother to really swap.

Which sucks, because gear is really important.

[hexed stream]

not even sure why the guy has the gut to even suggest arpg becoming souls like, I mean, he can test his idea on poe forum or reddit and see how much downvotes he will get or how many arpg fans will trash on his idea, with ways harsher words than I said

[sand wigeon]

Side note: "souls-like" in its own right is nonsense. There is no agreed upon definition of what a souls-like is, should be, what traits it has, etc etc etc.

Steam tags in general are also... Non-functional, really. They're user defined so any game can have any tag.

[sand wigeon]

Can you please stop beating a dead horse

They have already left the convo

[hexed stream]

yeah, like vampire survivors games having arpg tag

[sand wigeon]

It's pathetic to dwell on

[hexed stream]

well I don't think it's pathetic, he deserves it

[sand wigeon]

But it could be! Because the genre title of ARPG is undefined nonsense.

[sand wigeon]

That's exceptionally toxic

[hexed stream]

which is the right treatment for his mentality toward arpg

[sand wigeon]

Sigh

[sand wigeon]

It's like how Elden Ring is defined as an ARPG. It's not right, but it's also not wrong. I wouldn't personally define Elden Ring as an RPG, since it lacks quite a few of the stylizations I associate with the genre, but I can't deny it is in some part an action role playing game. Genres in general are much more ease of user then they are meant to reflect on the broader product.
Genre's generally end up being at least somewhat wrong when it comes to game titles, and somewhat right. There's no point arguing over it because it doesn't matter at the end of a day.

[hexed stream]

agree arpg is too broad of a theme, what I should narrow down is hack and slash, loot-based arpg

[twilit mountain]

MH is a soulslike :D

[sand wigeon]

I wouldn't describe PoE as a hack and slash, though, because we have different ideas of what that is. And Elden Ring is loot based, too!

Hence why genre titles are nonsense.

[sand wigeon]

Sure, why not, I can get behind that!

[hexed stream]

elden ring is loot based? there are like 100 times less item diversity in elden ring than when even compared to d4

which is the simpler loot based arpg till date

[sand wigeon]

I mean, I'm using my loot to help me beat the game. Using just your fists kinda sucks. Plus, I have to go find loot that fits my build so I can perform the best!

[twilit mountain]

D4 is nowhere near the simplest ARPG on the market but hey go off I guess

[sand wigeon]

Also, I'd say D4 is more complicated than PoE2 right now, for sure.

[hexed stream]

not simplest yeah, just on the simpler side

[sand wigeon]

PoE2 is really simplistic right now.

[hexed stream]

its endgame is simplistic, the gearing complexity is still poe1 level though

[sand wigeon]

(This has lots to do with age of the product)

[sand wigeon]

Its endgame isn't any more or less complicated than PoE1's, really.

Go place, kill thing, leave place, go kill thing.

[hexed stream]

even more zoom zoom with some builds

[twilit mountain]

I still wouldn't even say simpler tbqh. D4 has complexity, a good amount of it too. Enough that dedicated players can dive into it and engage themselves, but not so much that it pushes away casual players.

[sand wigeon]

The only big difference was Heist, and, like... Lab, I guess?

[twilit mountain]

PoE2 just has bad gearing imho. It's pretty much the same shit on every build lol.

[sand wigeon]

Yeah.

[hexed stream]

d3 is probably the simplest arpg, that you can hardly call it arpg anymore

[sand wigeon]

So yeah, Elden Ring could 100% also be called a loot-based hack and slash action roleplaying game.

Funny how that works.

I mean, what am I doing in the game if not hacking and slashing, right?

I hack, I slash, I pick things up to better fit my player-defined build and make choices based on what my character would do.

Do I agree with calling it that? Mm, no, but I certainly can't disagree past my own facetious opinions.

[hexed stream]

but can you become a god with enough gears in elden ring? killing the hardest boss in seconds?

[sand wigeon]

Yes

Lol

[hexed stream]

wait really?

[sand wigeon]

Yes

Lol

[hexed stream]

what build?

[sand wigeon]

any of them

it's skill based

[hexed stream]

I wanna see some footage of downing highest boss in seconds

[twilit mountain]

Dude you can practically one tap every boss if you have the right build

[sand wigeon]

Okay

[blissful token]

I dont like nioh for some reason.. the map/hub mission-based and reuse of maps get old pretty quick

[sand wigeon]

https://youtu.be/HO_SQfOj5SY?si=au_WomJ8itW0GMfO

[hexed stream]

so not loot based? the result of your build comes from your skill much more than your loot

[sand wigeon]

Yeah, it has a lot of flaws

[sand wigeon]

no you can supplement your build with skill

but to succeed exceptionally you need more than two damage a hit

[twilit mountain]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGSkXi1oe08
Shrug.

Pretty cut and dry.

[sand wigeon]

I've done some horrid things in From Software games

[modest spoke]

Yeah, but Nioh 2 has the best combat in any game ever

[sand wigeon]

Trust me, skill can only get you so far

Stubbornness can get your further

[hexed stream]

17s is kinda long compared to your general arpg standard though

[sand wigeon]

But for normal players, having a good build helps a lot

[twilit mountain]

Jfc

[sand wigeon]

And see what I mean about arguing facetious opinions?

Genres can't be defined like this because everyone has different definitions and requirements.

[twilit mountain]

I'm out, I don't know why I bothered. God damn brick wall ass convo

[hexed stream]

when I mean seconds, I really mean in like 4-5s

[blissful token]

Oooof but nuuuuuuuuuuu...

[sand wigeon]

Sure, but I don't mean that.

[hexed stream]

like the kind of experience you get in d4, LE or poe1

[sand wigeon]

So why do I care what you expect of a genre?

[modest spoke]

Life is a souls like

[sand wigeon]

Life is too good to be a souls-like

[hexed stream]

life is souls like so a game doesn't have to be

[modest spoke]

I love souls likes, but yeah there are way too many of them these days

[hexed stream]

isn't it never about indiv opinion but all about collective opinion?

[modest spoke]

Some of them like Nioh 2 and lies of p are good though

[sand wigeon]

Perhaps, but then it just depends on what collective you're talking to.

[blissful token]

I like lies of p

[sand wigeon]

It's never worth arguing about genres because, like I said, it's pointless nonsense intended for ease of user experience and communication, as long as you don't take it too literally.

[hexed stream]

at least I can see a very clear distinction between loot-based arpg and souls like though

[sand wigeon]

My favorite game is Roadwarden. Roadwarden is a text adventure. It has art for its environments; is that no longer a text adventure? I'd classify it as so, but I've also met people who'd say that simply the inclusion of visual art disqualifies it.

[modest spoke]

My biggest complaint with it is really subjective, but I just don’t really like how the weapons feel

[sand wigeon]

Is Book of Hours a visual novel? Is it a puzzle game? Is it psychological horror? Is it a text adventure? Who knows!

[modest spoke]

They feel super stiff and robotic

Which makes sense, you do play as a robot but I still don’t like it

[blissful token]

I feel it is ok but in reality, there is not much combination/variation. The worst thing i find is the range is actually VERY deceiving

[sand wigeon]

It's even classified as a card game, but I'd simply say it uses cards as a visual medium for items, and has nothing to really do with being a "card game." Genres are pointless, basically.

[modest spoke]

I meant more that the way the character swings the weapon is just unsatisfying to me

I know its weird

[blissful token]

Ahh

[sand wigeon]

Trying to have a conversation centered around genres just causes pain, since it was never meant to be used that way. When someone tells me a book they're talking about is sci-fi, I don't try and turn it into fantasy because it has magic, I ask how it's sci-fi and compare it to similar things, y'know?

[blissful token]

This is true

[sand wigeon]

Also wb Wicked lol

Hell of a time to get in chat

[hexed stream]

chat is fun

[blissful token]

Hehe

Honestly, i have been here than general chat since i got a hand of poe2

[sand wigeon]

I haven't been playing LE or PoE2 pretty much at all, myself

I haven't touched LE in a long time, just general disappointment with the game

[blissful token]

Oof

[sand wigeon]

And I'm both waiting for PoE2 to improve and also just don't feel in the mood for ARPG's