📚┃off-topic

[hexed stream]

I give it 2-3h max, then facebook, google, youtube time

[gilded elm]

It's really just faking it and making it look like you're doing something half the time.

[fierce moth]

Unfortunately I get nothing from my works yet because my efficiency is too low and my skills needs more practice

[hollow coral]

So they can spot people with time on their hands and squeeze them dry until they break

I remember working 7-8 hours of actual work when I got out of University cause I didn't know any better, they just kept piling work on me

[fierce moth]

Need to work on my fan art for poe 2 tonight indeed

[hollow coral]

Then they did a productivity research and I had 3-4x the work done over the department average

I was skewing the metrics and taking time out tasks we were recording cause I thought I was just too slow, so if something took 2 hour 30 minutes, I'd write down 2 hours and stuff

[gilded elm]

I fully believe people are easily capable of being routinely productive 8 hours a day, but not over a consecutive stretch of 8 hours. Just give people back their time and judge them based on the results of their work, not the hours they log.

[hollow coral]

I was overworked to hell

Just thought that's how it is when you have an adult job

[mental talon]

Same pretty much. I've been endgame blasting since like Sunday after game went live and now I'm on character 2 lol

I think next will be either Infernalist, Invoker, or Gemling

[gilded elm]

This game is a serious problem lol

I only allowed this degeneracy because it's in the holiday period and things at work are quiet... but man

This game really tests my self-control. I can't put it down lmao

[fierce moth]

You know what? 20% increased damage from shock only on my side

Sigh I never good at playing passive trees

Alright so this branch is the #1 choice for beginners

Fine still have to go back to play my new character

[junior oyster]

Changed to arsonists (slowly respeccing) and damn it's op

[junior oyster]

Damn that's like 30-40 ex now

I sold mine the other day for just 8 sadly

But was sort of worth it

[gilded elm]

I think the exalts probably largely came from the rare monster exploit so the value of divines in terms of exalts might drop a bit over time as people start using those excess exalts more liberally

[hexed stream]

remind me of double crit chance jewels I bought for 8ex each, now it's 1-2div

[gilded elm]

Which makes it tough to decide when to sell the Divine...

[junior oyster]

I'll be honest if I drop a divine I'll sell it immediately for around 40d

[hexed stream]

why? ex can only lose value further

[junior oyster]

I need them for crafting

I'd obviously keep most of the divs but I'd sell the next one I drop

[gilded elm]

True in general, but not necessarily true in this case. Exalts are a high demand crafting currency, and when their value is low, people will use them in higher quantities (thus removing them from circulation). A lot of the current exalts on the market may have come from the "Beetle" exploit that was just patched. This was a temporary event that potentially generated an excess of exalts, but that supply can dwindle.

But if I were to hold onto something as an investment, it probably wouldn't be a divine any way.

Assets > Liquid

[hexed stream]

yeah, same, asset > liquid unless you need cash to spend

[gilded elm]

Question is... finding something relatively inflation proof lol

[fierce moth]

any ways can I go back to this map? No waypoint in the town on this side after unlocked cruel...

[gilded elm]

Go back through the gateway

Then you will be back in the normal town

[junior oyster]

If she has completed the boss fight I don't think that works unless ggg patched it

Otherwise she'll have to go through the starting area of a3 and go to the town

[gilded elm]

Not finished cruel yet I don't think. In the "past" town, you should be able to just go through the gateway.

[junior oyster]

She wants to go there in normal

Is what I understood at least

[gilded elm]

How I understood it:

• She is in the Past Ziggurat, but there's no waypoint there (until you kill the act boss, I think?)
• She wants to go to Aggorat, but cannot because no waypoint in Past Ziggurat

But if you are trying to get back to normal Aggorat, then try /hideout

And then use waypoint?

I guess that applies for Cruel too, really

[junior oyster]

Not all of us have HO's lol

[gilded elm]

Really? Don't you get one automatically from Dreadnaught or something? lol

[junior oyster]

Doubt it

[gilded elm]

I had a Dreadnaught hideout

Or was it a Caravan hideout, I don't remember

[junior oyster]

You might have found one during campaign

[fierce moth]

The only way to leave the past Ziggurat is go downstairs and enter the temple or drowned city

[desert jasper]

Can you go to another act and then teleport from there?

[gilded elm]

Yes, if you killed the act boss, then the gateway despawns.

[tawny sand]

man, i can't see anything with my build. I take damage from like volatile plants or something cause i just don't see it

[junior oyster]

No

You get sent to either riverbank (cruel) or endgame

[gilded elm]

Ziggurat needless to say was very poorly designed.

At least the Past vs Present aspect of it

[tawny sand]

yeah after you go through the gate the only way to go back to past acts is at the clearfall waypoint i think

[junior oyster]

Only way is to travel from starting area of a3 or backtracking from the first area after town

[gilded elm]

But also, /hideout might work (if you have one)

It is still technically a town, I think?

[fierce moth]

clearfall...Oh let's try it

[tawny sand]

you'll have to beat the boss to get there

maybe i'm misunderstanding what the issue is

but once you go to cruel you have to go back through the starting area to clearfall

[fierce moth]

oh...Yeah i must go to clearfall then use waypoint of that to teleport

[fierce moth]

1000% sure

[junior oyster]

Feels kinda nice though poison is still kinda bad

[gilded elm]

May as well go CI at that point

Unless too far lol

[junior oyster]

Can't

Need to reserve life

[gilded elm]

rip

[junior oyster]

Elementalist things

Besides that means taking MoM because bleed exists

[hexed stream]

can't bleed if your hp doesn't suffer from a hit, no?

[fierce moth]

😵 I wish I can own so much energy shield like you

But I even can't pass act 1 cruel 😂 Such a big joke...

it's fine though. Art is what I'm good at more than running a build smoothly

[hexed stream]

you follow a guide or self cook?

[junior oyster]

Said this before but if you need help let me know

Also I recommend following a guide

If you struggle

[hexed stream]

tbh I see more of a problem with refusing to use a guide, than not playing well mechanically

[gilded elm]

😎

[desert jasper]

[junior oyster]

I have around 5k with life and ES

Unfortunately might take a while to get more ES though lol

[maiden widget]

love it when the trial rare storm just oneshots my 4k honor

big gains

[junior oyster]

I love when I can't tell a rare from a white mob lol

[hexed stream]

almost 2 weeks already and I still don't know which exact levels do ascendancy/weapon skills gain extra sockets

[hexed stream]

pefect honour

[exotic wave]

Rookie numbers Byteflux, a friend of mine broke 9k

(mind you he's an uber tank build)

[gilded elm]

Feels gud man

[candid sage]

dont forget to always open your chests.

[hexed stream]

I wish chaos has these techs

[junior oyster]

I can't even get the medium jewellers nvm perf

[candid sage]

whats the third one? exposure?

[hexed stream]

this is annoying, guess I'll play srs to gain another 20 levels before switching back to my build

[gilded elm]

Yep

I'll be able to get that to 40% with my next 2 ascendency points

What is this cursed shit lmao

[vagrant topaz]

Hey, I have a question
What would you expect to happen if you support Charged Staff with Hourglass ?
Because I was expecting me to have a 10s CD on Charged Staff, but turns out I can still "spam" it but I get 1 wave every 10s

Bug ? Me not understanding the game properly ?

[gilded elm]

Seems like there's 2 components to Charged Staff, one is the Buff the other is the Shockwave. The Buff itself isn't a "Damaging skill" as referenced by Hourglass, so only the Shockwave component is being supported by Hourglass.

[vagrant topaz]

Thx

[hexed stream]

damn, I'm hidden

[gilded elm]

[vagrant topaz]

Tips for that guy ? When I start hitting him he goes back into the lava and I cant hit him

Do I just lack dps?

[narrow token]

I gave up on that fight. There's no way to dps him down fast enough without being really good at making builds I assume.

[sand wigeon]

What’re you playing?

[gilded elm]

He's just a classic time-limited DPS check, yeah. Many ways to overcome it, either with build performance or by overleveling/overgearing. But can't really say how the melee experience should go... I fought him on my sorc and not affected by him being in the lava.

[narrow token]

I'm just wondering who on their team was saying melee was satisfying/fun before EA. Because I'm not sure I agree at all.

[gilded elm]

By the time you finish Act 3, you will probably trivialize this fight.

[sand wigeon]

Hah. Ranged is even worse in the campaign.

It’s something.

[junior oyster]

Kinda worth imo

[vagrant topaz]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SBx9hEjgaMs&pp=ygUlam9uYXRoYW4gcm9nZXJzIGludGVydmlldyBwb2UgMiBtZWxlZQ%3D%3D

Fixing Melee

I was talking with a friend complaining about certain design and how with my limited experience I wasn't feeling the fix. His take was
"They didn't fix Melee, they just made Range as annoying" 😅

[desert jasper]

I had rough time with him at start
came back later with like 3x stronger weapon and handled it really fast

Also nice to have pot that auto refills
other than that just... good luck? Dodge well and hit when you can

[junior oyster]

Ok trial 3 done

[desert jasper]

gg

[fierce moth]

gg

[hexed stream]

trade site is a joke now

[fierce moth]

My yarn keep meowing and walking around to find something soft to lay, I guess she going to give birth 😢

Female cat(

[jade jackal]

You fix melee by using ranged attacks, easy.

Worked for the Monk

[fierce moth]

Her meowing sounds different than usual ones

[hexed stream]

@fierce moth

what's imperfect about this?

[jade jackal]

you dont have to be an artist to see the|| triggering casting of light and shadow lol||

[hexed stream]

haha I overlooked that easily

not a person of detail

[jade jackal]

Its the type of things you look at in photography

[hexed stream]

so if something is wrong with the position of the shadow, it's either faulty, or there's a ghost?

[jade jackal]

You just want things to make sense

[tawny sand]

i think it keeps going down cause of the trade apps

[hexed stream]

you mean the price check app?

wonder how poe1 survives all these years with awakened poe

[tawny sand]

it didn't originally, it kept crashing the site when awakened was first released

and now poe2 has even more players

[hot crown]

You mean martyrs?

[tawny sand]

martyrs?

[desert jasper]

Found a trial key for 3rd ascendancy
Also I'm at 313 str

[tawny sand]

I've only found one trial key so far for 3rd

i want a few more before i attempt so i can set time aside and just have at it

but they don't be dropping

[desert jasper]

Yeah
i'm also not really feeling like doing the sekhema as my 3rd

[tawny sand]

yeah i might have to buy some, but the trade site is down so

[junior oyster]

I've found exactly 0 trial keys for 3rd asc

Not sure I even want to lol

I mean I'm done anyway but still

[fierce moth]

yeah I want to play another ARPG too... exhausted for playing poe 2

[sand wigeon]

breaking news: people playing game for two weeks straight burnt out. more at five

[fierce moth]

I guess Deias, Byte, Kuro, Nub, Minimap and flashy will go on playing it for weeks

[tawny sand]

a little, maybe

i do get burned out doing maps a bit

i like levelling more than i like endgame weirdly

i'm that way with other games

[fierce moth]

I burnt out by doing campaign consistently and still can't get access to the map system

[tawny sand]

yeah you struggled for sure

yeah idk, i feel stupid cause people tell me spark is really good but i just struggled too going through the campaign. I even looked up other players to see what they were doing so idk

switching to ranger/deadeye has been much smoother for me

[exotic wave]

Take a break and then play FF7R2 when it comes out

taking a break between ARPGs is good for you

gives your poor abused fingers time to heal

[fierce moth]

I suppose the abuse is for my poor controller though 🤭

Poe 2 is overwhelmingly popular then no another games will want to release new content in this moment is the annoying thing

[ebon meadow]

Blizzard don't care but they don't know how to release content to start with

[fierce moth]

people who likes poe 2 enjoying this game so much, people who can't accept the extreme punishment and difficulty hate this game so much too.

The polarization on reviews is obvious

[ebon meadow]

That's the thing with Poe 1 as well

There is s phrase of only 1% of players that tried the game got to maps to

I just don't really know how exaggerated it is

[narrow token]

I basically never get to endgame in arpgs. Once I feel like the build feels good enough, I'm typically done and move on to another character.

[hot crown]

From my own experience with PoE, getting to atlas is a VERY long journey.

You literally have to complete the entire game at least twice prior.

Locations-wise.

[narrow token]

That's too long, for me.

[hot crown]

Exactly.

[fierce moth]

I will feel I had played nothing if I played nothing in end game

[ebon meadow]

I took me like 3 leagues to just get to red Maps lol not even t16s

[narrow token]

In PoE2 I think I'd rather have an "adventure mode" where I just play the game's campaign over and over again, slightly harder, with better drops.

[hot crown]

234.2h on the record for me, and only like 30something is me trying to map.

And even then I didn't get far enough due to me refusing to copypaste someone else's build.

[narrow token]

But doing bite-sized maps over and over... idk.

[hot crown]

Then again, I had 3 characters by the time I quit for good, so... F if I know.

[narrow token]

I don't even have 60 hrs in poe2 yet. I have someone on my friend list who's at 140 hours.

[exotic wave]

Honestly this is just a time waster for me

[ebon meadow]

I don't mind repetivness at all I could play the whole game in Delve and just create new character

[hot crown]

My acquaintance has very likely clocked easily over 3k hours by now.

[exotic wave]

something to feel in gaps in game releases

[hot crown]

PoE is his go-to game for years now.

[exotic wave]

that's all diablo-clones are

will never find that unfunny

But yeah Isoemtric ARPGs stagnated too much for me to play them seriously

[ebon meadow]

I have same thing for MMOs

I can't be asked anymore speatially beeping in a serious guild

[tawny sand]

yeah i get bored with mmos now too

i get really burnt out whenever an expansion drops especially

[ebon meadow]

If they recycled cod better I would actually consider to get a console again but I can't be asked with battle royales now

I can play team and death matches for days and days without burning

472 days played in modern warfare 2

[tawny sand]

they dont' make multiplayer shooters i want to play (i.e. arena shooters like unreal)

i do play boomer shooters sometimes though

[hot crown]

UT99 is still alive though.

[fierce moth]

would you like to keep playing poe 2 for extra a few weeks?

[hot crown]

So is UT2004 (IIRC anyway).

[ebon meadow]

Ohh I l be playing it more than that

[hot crown]

Me, I don't have anybody to play with, and playing alone is nothing short of a torture.

[ebon meadow]

I l probably end up doing every ascendancy before release

[ebon meadow]

I just put a stream on or movies or something very long from yt

[fierce moth]

oh so you can swim in poe 2's difficulty and enjoying doing these challenges 👍

Very cool

[ebon meadow]

Ohh yea the dificulty for a fact I know will be temporal

We always find better ways to go thru campaign and adapt to changes

[exotic wave]

yeah I'll be playing until Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth comes out

and then I'll beat that and by then the new classes should be out

so I'll play those

[ebon meadow]

Like already bow play for campaign is a thing for a lot of characters just need few more archytipe of leveling

[junior oyster]

I did offer to help you many times lol. Also following a guide is very crucial if you don't know what you are doing

[ebon meadow]

That's my idea as well

[tawny sand]

i still need to play ff7r

[ebon meadow]

By the time I m bored with what we have now there l be more

[tawny sand]

and ff16 too

[exotic wave]

16 is... well if you enjoy most isoemtric ARPGs and think they're amazing, 16 will blow you away

[ebon meadow]

Would be maybe different if I wasn't working like before and play it for 18 hours a day but I wasnt burning out then i doubt i woild burn out now

[exotic wave]

if you've played an ARPG with quality combat or a hack and slash with quality combat then it won't

[tawny sand]

i just like character action games like devil may cry and bayonetta so thought i would like it at least

[exotic wave]

it's... not

it's closer to DMC 1 or Bayo

than to the peaks of the genre 3-5

I wouldn't even so it's close to KH games in combat

maybe Re:Chain or BBS but...

[ebon meadow]

Like I have this mentality and probably share it with a lot of people ,think of Poe like a slot machine if u like that u Will like Poe

[exotic wave]

you've got like 1 combo and then all your moves are cooldown gated

[ebon meadow]

Going thru campaign should not feel like burden if it is for u than sorry but the game is not for u

[exotic wave]

my biggest issue with PoE 2 is that the loot portion of the game gets in the way of a good game lol

[ebon meadow]

U gonna pull that leaver over and over again

[exotic wave]

same way the RPG portion of 16 hinders it more than helps

[ebon meadow]

They was going to fix this for Poe 2 and I guess they sort of did but it's still feels unpleasant yea

[exotic wave]

The biggest issue diablo-clones face

is that a large portion of the fans really like trading

[ebon meadow]

This is the reason we have filters in Poe 1 and the whole outside person making them and a platform to make them

[exotic wave]

like REALLLY like trading

like "SHOULD REALLY JUST BE PLAYING EVE ONLINE" levels of liking trading

so they can't be given actually good gear

they have to add hoops to jump through

[narrow token]

FF16 looks like a terrible rpg.

[exotic wave]

FF16 is in fact a terrible RPG

[narrow token]

It's more of a linear action game.

[exotic wave]

I beat the superboss at level 35... of 50

levels barely matter

[ebon meadow]

People like trading but doesn't like first the bots second is waiting for another person to rather respond or finish the content they are doing

[narrow token]

Why FF single player games went away from having different classes (Where tf is dragoon and black mage?) is BEYOND me.

[exotic wave]

The gear barely matters

and exploration doesn't matter

it's there

there's actually quite a bit to find

but... it's also pointless to do so

[tawny sand]

i just want an ff9 remake tbh, that's my favorite one

[exotic wave]

supposedly in the works

also best FF was 5

only game the series to ask anything of its player

[tawny sand]

5 is my second favorite yeah

[exotic wave]

*mainline

actual best FF is TA2

(but would have been easily dethroned if they made a TA3)

(since there was still quite a bit to iterate on in it)

[ebon meadow]

It's funny I have never ever played a single FF game and I have a copy for PS1 at home somewhere

I don't even know witch one it's is I think it's 4 or 5

What I do remember like a freaking flame inside me is prince of Persia for windows 95 I think

[tawny sand]

ff 12 has my favorite combat system

[ebon meadow]

This thing here

That is a hard game probably the hardest I ever tried in my life

[narrow token]

I wish poe 2 had the LE crafting system. Finding and keeping these crafting orb things is a hassle

[exotic wave]

PS1 woudln't be 4-5

(unless anthology which would be 1-6 and not 4 or 5 by itself)

[ebon meadow]

Yea that's never going away it's the essence of Poe ,because we never had gold in game before

[ebon meadow]

The face of it is a blond guy standing with a black sword

[exotic wave]

do you realize how little that narrows things down?

"Blonde blade user" is like the default for FF

[ebon meadow]

No idea never touched it

[exotic wave]

4, 6, 7, 9, 10, 12

[narrow token]

The FF main games need to bring their job system back.

[exotic wave]

1 and 3 were create your own

and we don't speak about 2

(5 and 8 were brown hilariously)

13 isn't real and 11+14 are MMOs

[ebon meadow]

It's 6

[exotic wave]

huh and 15+16 are black haired

[ebon meadow]

Found an image

[narrow token]

It's like all the ff games after 13 are character action games. Action is fine, but rpgs are about choice. Choice in builds, class, and sometimes story.

Sorry meant after 12

[ebon meadow]

It had the image flipped

[exotic wave]

hilariously Ale?

most Character Action games have more choice in Builds than a lot of RPGs do

ESPECIALLY jrpgs

[narrow token]

I suspect they don't want to make a bunch of animations for different jobs, but I say nuts to that. Put in the damn work

[exotic wave]

a lot of JRPGs are either "Every does everything" or "everyone does exactly one thing"

[narrow token]

Tbf jrpgs that I know of typically aren't spoiled for choice in the story department. That's mostly wrpgs

[exotic wave]

or it's "false" choice where it's just whether you know the game systems and how to use them

see: Megami Tensei where once you learn how to build your demons/personas/whatever you end up just stacking amps, boosts and other passives

and then take only a couple attacking moves of a single element

OR the game is so brain dead easy that doing anything besides stacking superficially different flavors of damage is pointless

[narrow token]

I play games on easy, usually. I'm not good at putting math stuff together for damage amps.

And guides always spoil a bunch of stuff so I don't watch them

[exotic wave]

lol I'm on the extreme other end

I play on Hard+ (although if it's a game that's been out for a bit, I check to see if the highest level is actually... fun or just the same as the next lowest but a slog)

see: games that just increase hp for difficulty

[narrow token]

Hard games usually go in the trash pile for me. Unless I have access to a ton of cheats. I wouldn't have gotten through elden ring at all without them.

[tawny sand]

i only like some games on hard, depends how much i enjoy the combat

[narrow token]

I think I played Assassins Creed Odyssey on hard, but that's because it was incredibly difficult to die in that game.

[fierce moth]

sorry? HHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Watch a poe 2 ad in a poe 2 meme video Nice loop

[narrow token]

youtube ads.

https://tenor.com/view/brother-ew-ew-what-is-that-whats-that-brother-gif-14318384540422820315

[fierce moth]

hhhhhhh this is the most fun stream clip so far... The chance to be slain by that unexpected circle is super high for them unexpectedly 🤣

Vice versa your logic in 2s reaction time. Super hard indeed

[ebon meadow]

u think poe requires reaction time outside the MS the game is running ? look at csgo pros

might sound like a boomer but not this csgo2 teams

reacting under half of second is a thing

without prefires

i miss my VP and pasha so sad he had bad things happening in life

also LoL, becouse i cant vauch for dota have no idea but old Samsung white teams age was freaking stupid to watch

no issues with conection there since it was LAN

that reminds me saw a funny news post about Elon getting banned from poe for making to many actions per second than games allow u lol i wonder if its just a trending thingy

maybe he did macro maybe he didnt can still be confirmed though

this is why never run things like AHK wile playing the games that dont allow it , its like getting a free ticket for ban if devs want u ban

he might be a really good gamer but he also is very good with computers so ... its a knife edge to work around

[desert jasper]

it's not a ban
just kick for performing too many actions too fast

I've had it happen in poe1

[ebon meadow]

yea thats what i v seen but local gamers news for me presents it like disaster xd thats why i never look at them seriously

[ebon meadow]

had it in few games to

[desert jasper]

Ofc they do that
they need the clicks
clicks = money

[ebon meadow]

its like the IGN review of the poe1 lol , i played for few hours and this is whats wrong with game ... excusme

[ebon meadow]

yea the google news are something else its like old yellow press

[fierce moth]

what's ms?

[ebon meadow]

miliseconds

its a second fractured to even less value

[fierce moth]

🤷‍♀️ Make sense. My reaction speed isn't good originally and it's destroyed by depression last year so just worse

[ebon meadow]

1 ms is 0.001 second

[fierce moth]

I find myself just can't do anything very quickly

[ebon meadow]

its mostly refers to for gaming speed time and ur end procesing the data

but it also can be counted as reaction speed

its intersting to me since when i see people that have 12 ms conection to server is very big

that refresh rate is a peak of pc evolution and data procesing

that is very fast

[tawny sand]

i get like 40-50 ping on my servers in poe2

sometimes 60, just kind of depends i guess

[ebon meadow]

yea the ping is mesured as MS so thats literally less than a tenth of a second lol

and that is still aparently laggy for us

we cant even persive and understand ourselfes no lag but it does make a diference in games like shooters

just becouse of the person reaction

reaction +lag is what makes u a good player , this is why prefire exist

[vagrant topaz]

Hum ... I cant seem to find the Oubliettes with Black Maw
Where are they ? What do the entry look like ?

I have done the whole map

Nevermind I am a moron

[tawny sand]

any of y'all using exiled exchange ? It works, but i just get query errors. Is it just the trade site that's preventing it from working?

oh nvm now it's working idk why

[ebon meadow]

do i even have to make any memes man ?

why xd

[hot crown]

"That's what she said"

[narrow token]

Is it just me or does fireball do poop for damage on a single target?

[torn dust]

hello exiles!

is it weird that the best POE2 community I have is the Last Epoch community?

[tawny sand]

i imagine it's cause it's smaller and cozier

[viral galleon]

i agree with fleshy

[hexed stream]

it does blow me away, by being FF franchise

emphasize the "away" portion

[mellow goblet]

how was you guys steam replay?

[mellow goblet]

i need to play forbidden west more!

[narrow token]

Same. I always get close to the end of a game and drop it. I have a problem with not wanting games to be over.

[narrow token]

Looking into Steam stats, it's amazing how many of the most played games I have ignored. Something like 80% of them are some form of competitive pvp games, which I don't like.

[visual pulsar]

I might have a problem

I'm addicted to arpgs

😄

[narrow token]

Broaden your horizons.

[simple needle]

Before Poe 2 even came out, I knew forced Sanctum / Ultimatum is gonna be a problem for ascendancy

[viral galleon]

finally dumped this chest

i died from executioner dropping a guillotine on my head and resulting in the bleed

[hexed stream]

lol, didn't know you can skip 1st map of act 3 and 6 by tele to someone standing in those act towns

[hexed stream]

I assume this is good res before runes/cores

[fierce moth]

🤭 Thanks for EHG brings me in the ARPG's world.

I play another games in rare times this year to be honest

Chinese can't play poe and poe 2 on steam is a pity

[sand wigeon]

oh we sharing steam replays?

[fierce moth]

yeah

[hexed stream]

same situation

[sand wigeon]

i've heard metaphor refantazio is REALLY good

[fierce moth]

233 games played what!?!

[sand wigeon]

I play a lot of generally smaller games. Games that you can like, finish, but don't actually take much time. Plus, I have family sharing with someone else who has like, three hundred games on their account, so when you combine that with my three hundred, it's a lot.

[hexed stream]

showoff time

[sand wigeon]

counter strike… i’m so sorry

[hexed stream]

😅

[fierce moth]

庆格仁

[mental talon]

Best game I've played all year

[sand wigeon]

yeah, heard a lot of good things about it

[fierce moth]

😅 Europeans and Americans obsessed about Asian games, Chinese vice versa

[hexed stream]

too bad my majority of game time is not on steam

but either bnet or poe client

[fierce moth]

I suppose 60% problems are solved if you know how to spec the own passive tree, 30% problems are solved if you know how to use skills and their support gems, 10% problems are solved by gears only because this part is 100% RNG (poe/poe 2)

[hexed stream]

I just swap to vulkan, the alt tab is amazing, no more freezing

[junior oyster]

I guess I don't fall into that unless the games are single player offline games. I hate mmos and hate Asian mmos even more. Same story with gacha games.

Then again I am an Asian myself 😂

[sand wigeon]

I think people just like good games

[hot crown]

Correction: people like games they perceive as good, and good is very subjective.

[sand wigeon]

Aye

But generally, when there’s a consensus, it bodes well

[sand wigeon]

I was speaking on Metaphor: Refantazio, to be clear

[rugged marsh]

EZ

[hexed stream]

good games are mostly from europe and oceania now, japanese game companies are stuck in their own backwardness, american ones deep inside their wokeness, chinese and korean ones are still too much into mobile and p2w

[fierce moth]

@hardy crane can I check out your passive tree in poe 2?

I want to know which part is #1 I must spec under low level

[fierce moth]

Can I ask which country are you come from? 🤔

[shut ferry]

Still sane, exiles ?

This game is so good

[hexed stream]

max insanity

[fierce moth]

?

[hexed stream]

Bought 2 ming rings for 1div ea today, let's see how it goes

[torn dust]

In 3 tier 4 maps, full clear, i got only 1 tier 1 key.. that is a bad luck string

[tawny sand]

oof

i lost a map to those enemies from the graveyard that carry around the big statues and do the huge slam aoes

i just forgot what they do completely

feels bad man

[torn dust]

when that mob does the bigger slam it is really dangerous.. they have killed me 3-4 times

[tawny sand]

yeah idk how i feel about 1 death per map tbh

[torn dust]

i love it

hardcore feels soo harsh to me (or maybe im not good enough), but without the things POE2 is doing with death respanwns and one death per map, softcore is not a game, it's just a hamster wheel

the fact that in POE1 you can resume a (campaign) boss fight unlimited times when you die and the boss never resets is IMO the dumbest thing in all of gaming

[tawny sand]

what if you didn't lose the map but just lost all progress though?

like the campaign

so you're just sacrificing time

[torn dust]

that is what happens

you can just redo the map

or do you mean that you lsoe the key?

so you would not lose the key?

or do you mean you dont want to lose the map built in mods

[tawny sand]

oh, hmm. Idk which is better for me

it was a pretty juicy waystone i lost

[torn dust]

right now, when you die in a map, you can just redo it, but you have to (a) supply a new key, (b) you lose the built-in map mods

[tawny sand]

with a lot of modifiers on the map including a boss

[torn dust]

yeah, losing the waystone is consequence.. if there is no risk then there is no consequence and there is no game..

the only way they could do that is if you didn't get any XP or loot out unless you finished, like an extraction game

but i assure you that would feel worse

[tawny sand]

i don't really mind the 1 death but it does feel bad when you don't remember what things do or die to an effect cause the visual clarity is bad

[torn dust]

because if what you were saying was true, people would just do 2/3 of an awesome waystone, die and do it again, repeat forever

the game is brand new, so it's to be expected we are all learning what mobs do

[tawny sand]

i think i'd have less issue if i could just see stuff tbh

[torn dust]

that gravestone slam mob is a bit annoying because he can be 1/3 on screen so you can't even see his animation

[tawny sand]

i can't see volatile plants for instance at all

[torn dust]

yeah, im with you 100% on that

my main POE2 buddy is playing the witch SRS build, and he fills the screen with so much fire i can't see anything

[hexed stream]

how fast from level 40 to 60? I forgot

[tawny sand]

and also being able to have rare name plates stay on screen so i can see what their mods are without needing to mouse over constantly

which is a pain when you're on wasd

and playing ranged

[torn dust]

fleshy have you played trial of chaos with the blood orb mod that hovers and falls from above you?

[tawny sand]

i think so, i never did it again lol

i usually go for the lightning aoe one, that one's easy to manage for me

[torn dust]

i think the mob after-death effects should be more like this, with something going up into the air, so it's above all the other effects

[tawny sand]

oh yeah that could work for sure

[hexed stream]

or you know, the most cancerous of them all, dd

[torn dust]

definetly they could use some visual clarity, though there is alot more clarity than POE1, so hopefully it will keep improving

[tawny sand]

i gave my extra key to my friend, but i know he's going to have a hard as hell time with poe2

he's colorblind unfortunately

and even i can't tell what things are and i'm not

[torn dust]

just make sure he doesn't play melee 🙂

[tawny sand]

lol

he probably will, he likes tanky builds

i'll just tell him to equip a bow early on tho

[torn dust]

im playing monk... and it's great when im solo, but when im with the witch SRS, i just randomly get popped from something i can't see under all the fire

[tawny sand]

yeah i already won't play minions co-op cause of also the minion collision

it'd be so aggravating

[torn dust]

you don't collide with your minions, but the minions have lots of issues

they get wedged in places and stop moving

and they often get locked out of boss fights because of the door

still, witch srs, flame wall, and arsonist or reaver, is stupid strong and pretty easy to play

[tawny sand]

oh i thought they had colission on them

[torn dust]

the minions have collision, but not with players

[tawny sand]

oh i see

that's better then

[torn dust]

if they did, it would be a full nightmare

[tawny sand]

fr

[fierce moth]

Any tips on passive tree for playing minion build do you have?

[tawny sand]

narrow maps would be unplayable

also speaking of maps i did one of the ones with green cosmetic ground with enemies that drop poison puddles

what a nightmare that was

[torn dust]

the monk is disgustingly strong, but mechanically about 20x harder than witch , and 5x harder than ranger (my subjective opinion)

high skill ceiling

[tawny sand]

i plan to try monk eventually

[desert jasper]

warrior start is super rough

[torn dust]

when you try monk, i highly recommend you go ice/freeze first.... pick up frost-bomb at level 2/3 and switch to ice strike when you get it (around 8?)

[fierce moth]

I want to try infernalist

[tawny sand]

yeah i was thinking cold monk

[torn dust]

i was playing ranger, and having trouble with the end of act 2 boss.. and i rotated public groups trying to get one that would finish

and i ran into a group with a warrior who stunlocked the boss so hard it was trivial

and i was already mid-stream with the monk, so I fished around and found the ice build

and never looked back

[tawny sand]

my ranger secret is lightning rod + orb of storms, but i don't think it's much of a secret lol

i thought i was really clever when i found the interaction

[torn dust]

i rerolled a new monk, and facerolled all the way to act 3, soloing every boss and maybe dying 1-3 times on bossfights

[hexed stream]

do it, I'm doing 1 now

[torn dust]

just don't do blood mage, it's in a bad state

[tawny sand]

i hope the third witch ascendancy revolves around death/undead

i like that classic archetype

[fierce moth]

My interest:
Caster > Ranger > Warrior

[tawny sand]

once they add more totems i'll prob try warrior

i really like totems

[torn dust]

i was interested in playign blood mage before relase, but when i saw that the ascendancy sanguimancy makes you have health AND mana cost, I immediately lost any interest... so silly

[tawny sand]

unless marauder is going to be more totem focused idk

whichever is i'll play

also i'm really looking forward to what they do with templar

and druid and huntress

i'm just all around hyped

[torn dust]

i wish events like ritual wwould stay on the map when you found them

[shut ferry]

Not a good idea. They nerfed like 30% of witch power

[shut ferry]

Ah.. a greeting phrase from poe1 player

[torn dust]

well.. support gems got buffed pretty big

[shut ferry]

I crafted good bow and crossbow

Damn could sell for divines

[torn dust]

lets see it

i crafted this thing and it absolutely rocks

[fierce moth]

Which direction you're playing on infernalist?

[hexed stream]

Demon lady 😈

[torn dust]

when you get to 0hp in demon, do you go back to full health, or the health before demon?

[fierce moth]

Which direction on ascendancy of infernalist do you mean?

[shut ferry]

the minion one

[fierce moth]

Emmmmmm

[torn dust]

most people are not taking infernal flame for the nminion build

[shut ferry]

I have something if you want to upgrade yours

[torn dust]

what do you have?

[shut ferry]

A sec, nearly finish my map

[torn dust]

k

[jade jackal]

I can't roll a quality staff if my life dependant on it

[shut ferry]

For your monk

[torn dust]

the right one is intesring because of +4 melee, but i still think mine is more dmg

[shut ferry]

And for bows here

[torn dust]

my avg dmg roll is 170

your items have a top dmg around 170 and avg roll around 130

the + melee is nice though, hard to say

[shut ferry]

I don't often craft quaterstaff tho

Have lots of good ring/amulet

And will always have good price for Last epoch community

[ebon meadow]

Well this is going to be patched lmao thx cutedog

[gilded elm]

Doesn't seem like a problem if people want to rob themselves of the accomplishment lol

[ebon meadow]

Ofc they do Poe players are impatient as hell and just want to get to maps asap

[gilded elm]

Which is kinda weird for PoE2

Because the campaign is like a large part of the fun unlike in PoE1

[fierce moth]

Are you using minion sceptre + focus or anything else?
I mean weapon set

[hexed stream]

demon lady form disables all weapon and offhand

[tawny sand]

oh wow, PoE2 is already 5% of my total playtime on steam 😬

[ebon meadow]

Welcome to dark side

[gilded elm]

Addiction is a serious problem, seek help. And come back for me when you find it, I need it too.

[ebon meadow]

"just another map "

[fierce moth]

It's fresh for me

[hexed stream]

at least you save money by not buying the weapon and offhand, only focus on defensive gears

[ebon meadow]

I got drunk last night and did a boss in act 3 in one go lol was so weird

[gilded elm]

Assumine you trade for gear, ofc

I dunno if she actually does 😛

[fierce moth]

So you go to 5-6 branch?

[hexed stream]

5-6 for now, drop 6 later when I have gears, change to maybe 1-2 or 1-3

or both

[fierce moth]

Maybe you should be drunk per time before you fight with a boss in the future hhh

[torn dust]

did they turn off the waystone drops or something, i am literally getting none tonight

[ebon meadow]

I wish I could joke about that but I actually play the game better when I m high and drunk lol

I think the reason is don't get angry or triggered by anything lol

It stops beeping a feeling of bashing Ur head against the same wall

[torn dust]

my first time through to start of act 3 i had to do lots of boss attempst, but not anymore... now it's 1-3 only

on my rerolls and stuff

[ebon meadow]

The difference is "whoops I died XD" Vs "what f killed me and why this degen ground is in game still "

[fierce moth]

You spec all notes for mana regeneration, energy shield, fire damage/ fire penetration/ ignite chance/ elemental aliement affect on passive tree?
Want to check out yours

[hexed stream]

no I don't play fire, I play chaos

[fierce moth]

Hah the thing become more interesting

Chaos demon lady solo?

[hexed stream]

that's why I bought the 2 ming rings for so expensive

[fierce moth]

I even no idea what ming ring is

This one?

[indigo shadow]

How far does anyone go in POE 2? I gave up. 😂

I tried to use crossbow but backfired badly.

2 or 3 Shotgun burst is somewhat good but yeah, it's really souls like

[fierce moth]

Exchange damage by my defense is very risky

[torn dust]

i am level 75 - aka tier 4/5 maps (on my main, monk) ... ranger is 58?

[viral galleon]

My highest character is in act 2 cruel but I have 4 characters

[tawny sand]

i'm in t1 maps now, i'm not sure what level i am though

[viral galleon]

Anyone doing a flask pathfinder build?

[tawny sand]

i did reroll so it took me longer to get to maps than others

[ebon meadow]

Xdd so yea we are mostly all freaks here for the game

[torn dust]

i started a ranger, then a monk, then rerolled a new monk and that third one is the one im playing now

[tawny sand]

i want to try one but idk if i'll do another ranger for a while

Dream Hallow was saying pathfinder sucks tho

[fierce moth]

My progress is sucks and chaos so no currency available for me to trade something

[torn dust]

i took witch and warrior to end of act 1, no deaths, under 3 hours, to see if i could do it

[ebon meadow]

That reminded me I can show u a freaking crossbow

[viral galleon]

I started a summoner infernalist, rerolled into a monk after I got to cruel. Minion builds are always fun but I didn't really get a feel for bosses because of that.

I have a lightning shock invoker in cruel act 2, it's pretty fun.

I also have a warrior but got filtered by Draven and now I have a ranger in act 2 going for bleed flask for no reason

[ebon meadow]

We have ARs in game now lol

[viral galleon]

That is a crossbow

Does attack speed make reloading faster?

[ebon meadow]

I don't actually know ,something does modifying it since the number is blue

[torn dust]

i dont thnk so

[viral galleon]

Also lol blight core, blight isn't even in the game

[torn dust]

there is actually a separart reload speed

[viral galleon]

It's either the attack speed or the quality mod to make that reload faster

[ebon meadow]

Ohh u might be right and quality is affecting it

Yea I think it's quality

Maybe not

I don't know if I trus Reddit though

[torn dust]

hmm

[ebon meadow]

If it does I don't think it's intended since there is a support for that specific mechanic to

[exotic wave]

There are also nodes on the tree too

That give like a total of 70%

and then another 30% at the bottom of the tree

(and even with that your times are still around .5)

bolts really do pay extra tax for low payoff lol

[hexed stream]

fk, demon lady dodge roll is amazing experience, maybe only blink can be better

[ebon meadow]

Are facebreakers in game ?

[exotic wave]

there is currently no unique that support unarmed

besides you probably want a weapon anyways if only to get +melee skills

since unarmed attacks scale super hard with gem level

[ebon meadow]

No I was thinking more of a demon form

Since it don't allow u to have weapon and of hand

So gloves and jewellery are probably the best ways to scale damage ?

[exotic wave]

Uh... I think it doesn't allow you to perform ATTACKS

which is different

[ebon meadow]

Theoricly cooking I am gonna play that at some point to

[ebon meadow]

Fair she is a spell caster

[exotic wave]

so you can still use a weapon

you just can't attack with it

(funnily enough the caster weapons can't attack anyways...)

[ebon meadow]

I think it cancels the stats from it

[ebon meadow]

Yep you don't hit anyone on top of the head with a wand

[exotic wave]

doesn't say that as far as I can see

easiest test is to get a +8 staff

swap form

and see if your gems go down in level

[ebon meadow]

Someone mentioned it earlier that it ignores Ur weapon and or offhand so I m assuming it ignores the stats to

But yea it's a thing of trial and fail

[ebon meadow]

Yea it was mini

[exotic wave]

okay but it's a super easy test

what level does your demon form give to spells right now?

get a 2h weapon with higher +Spell

check your spells pre-transformation

then transform and recheck spells

if level went down then it ignores

okay just looked at it, and it takes away weapon

so, still good early-mid

but absolutely spec out of it late I I'd think

[hexed stream]

spec out of weapon?

[ebon meadow]

Nono

It's to test if the stats from the weapon and of hand still are added after going in to demon form

[hexed stream]

a lot of things don't work with demon form, like corpsewade boots for example

[tawny sand]

thanks for making me feel bad steam

[ebon meadow]

I would have to read the a tual form and what it disbales and why

[viral galleon]

Ggg has said when talking about druid that it disables your hand slots when you shapeshift

[torn dust]

i am very disappointed with waystone sustain

[tawny sand]

jesus breaches tank my fps

i'm not even on high settings

[ebon meadow]

Well the life drain apparently perks like RF so u can remain in that form unlimited of u can build right

So life regen ,vitality life on kill and stuff I can't find anything about ignoring items and stats though

[viral galleon]

You also need the notable behind it because the degen scales infinitely without it

[hexed stream]

need for early game yes, later you spec out of it

[ebon meadow]

I want to keep it lol

I m reading that low life is better with es scale

[ebon meadow]

Is the degen % based of Ur life pool or is it a surtain number

[hexed stream]

scale with your max hp, cap at min 200

[ebon meadow]

So I m guessing the drain is % based

Maybe it's hard to explain I m thinking of making like an archon build from d3

So as long there's targets to kill keep the form

[hexed stream]

no, as long as you have hp >1

meaning you want to have low hp, high regen or leech

[ebon meadow]

Yea that's what I m thinking

That and also life tap maybe

But u have to balance the life region even more

[viral galleon]

Doesn't the demonform degen negate es recharge?

[ebon meadow]

I can't find any of this down effects on wiki lol I need to rather try it or have a good source of info

To try it I m gonna have to farm some gear as well

[hexed stream]

why you want lifetap? that will just get you out of demon form faster

[ebon meadow]

Neither fextras wiki or poedb or forum gives any info or not having weapons or any scaling or anything lol just states how it works

[ebon meadow]

It does but it can be balanced for exchange of more damage

But it also depends on spells u using ,not all spells hit

This was an skill and ascendancy that is top of my list to try lol I just want to make it all the way viable

Maybe not to kill end game Bose's but at least do similar to red Maps

[hexed stream]

lifetap don't give you any extra damage? it just makes mana cost turn into life

[ebon meadow]

What ? Have they changed it ?

Hold on

[hexed stream]

that's why I asked, why you want lifetap

for no good reason

the whole bloodmage ascendancy is already semi-screwed for life cost

[ebon meadow]

This is from Poe1 lifetap

That is a lot of damage

I hate not seeing at my pc searching on phone is dumb

[hexed stream]

well, I don't assume any of poe2 thing is the same as poe1

[ebon meadow]

I need to read the gem but I m assuming it's same

[hexed stream]

what's same? lifetap? it's not

[ebon meadow]

Any caind soul can screen shot the gem info with alt and post it please

[exotic wave]

minimap: nah I meant spec out of demon form

it's not even that strong and if it ignores weapons it's not good at all late game

[ebon meadow]

Yea that's why I was asking about facebreakers and gloves and jewellery

[hexed stream]

low life demon form is one of the strongest right now

[exotic wave]

facebreakers wouldn't help

you can't use attacks

[ebon meadow]

But mini said u don't even get some stats from boots so I m confused now

[exotic wave]

Pretty sure using one ends demon form

and Facebreaker only buffs attacks

(melee ones at that)

[hexed stream]

only that boots, and maybe it's a bug

[ebon meadow]

Sound like a bug

[hexed stream]

more specifically, doesn't work with boots skill

all stats still work

[hexed stream]

if demon form is not strong, idk what is

at 100 stacks, which is rookie numbers compared to well geared players, you have +6 all spell, around 25% cast speed, and especially 1200% spell damage

[exotic wave]

that'd also be 50% of your life per second lost

[ebon meadow]

Holy

[exotic wave]

and it's increased spell damage

not more

and losing weapon would make it hard to use crit stuff

an Extra Damage stuff found on weapons

[hexed stream]

1. 100 is rookie number as I said, it's only 100 life/sec
2. proper geared people have around 500 stacks if not 1000, that's 12000% spell damage

[exotic wave]

it's not 100 life/sec

it's .5% per stack/sec

[hexed stream]

it is

if you gear properly

and keep your life at 200

[exotic wave]

at that point just CI

[hexed stream]

you can't CI with demon form

[ebon meadow]

That's what I was reading about low life demon form working good

[exotic wave]

yeah

it's meant for low strength no-life builds

[ebon meadow]

Not ci but es was mentioned

[hexed stream]

5000-10000% spell damage, of course it will be good

[exotic wave]

it's still kind of trash to me

but I think very poorly of increased

[hexed stream]

trash compared to what?

[exotic wave]

high end staffs

[hexed stream]

high end staffs are a joke compared to demon form

[exotic wave]

(which unlocks extra, crits, +8 to spells, etc)

[ebon meadow]

And that's why added life tap on top of it in my head I knew at least the old gem works for more damage and 19% is a lot

[exotic wave]

lifetap doesn't give more damage anymore is a little sad but also hilarious

[hexed stream]

did you forget that demon form also give +6?

[exotic wave]

that's still -2

[hexed stream]

-2 is nothing

compared to the 10000% spell damge

[exotic wave]

I see you haven't gotten to level 21+ yet

as you go beyond 20 the levels get more and more insane

for instance my frined going poison/chaos bow

[hexed stream]

I just need to look at poe2db data to know

how much +2 scale

and yes it's a joke compared to demon form at 1000 stacks

in a game where you barely get 400-500% spell damage, 10000% is 20x the damage

[exotic wave]

it's around 100 flat damage

for 2 levels

[hexed stream]

yes and?

we're talking about 20x multiplier with demon form here

not 1.2x

[exotic wave]

well it's 20x damage and now you mostly lose all your other multipliers

so it's the same as just a handful of smaller multipliers

[hexed stream]

what multiplier do I lose? around 1.25 from the extra +2, maybe x4 from crit, that's still x6 vs x20

[exotic wave]

...lolwut

you know flat goes before everything else

the +2 is going to be more than just 25% lol

also you still will have your other increased

[exotic wave]

so you're probably still getting 400% increased on the low bar

[hexed stream]

let's take real data to talk

here is hexblast level 28 to 30

from 1474 to 1846 is 25% increase, or 1.25x

then let's say you have 100% crit chance and 400% crit multi, that's 4x

all in all, that's 6x

[exotic wave]

then the 25% extra damage

becaus a staff without extra damage added as your preferred type would be insanity

and you're still treating as if you have literally no other increased spell damage

which when added to 10000% is a drop yes

but as a seperate multiplier by itself is not

[hexed stream]

idk what you're talking about anymore

probably too much poe1?

[exotic wave]

you act as if you can't get increased spell damage from anything but demon form

[hexed stream]

.

you don't understand mate, poe2 is much less generous with damage stats compared to poe1

the passive tree is ass

[exotic wave]

also I'm sitll trying to figure out how you're sustaining 500

that's kind of just being a major distraction for me right now

that'd be 250% life/sec

(since it drains straight from life)

[hexed stream]

I'm not there yet, with the gears I already bought but can't wear yet, I can sustain 300-400 only

[exotic wave]

maybe with MoM I guess

assuming it goes from mana first instead of life

[hexed stream]

no, life only

no mom

[exotic wave]

then yeah

not sure how you would sustain 250% life/sec

[hexed stream]

by having the same amount of life regen

that's what everyone's playing right now

[exotic wave]

that'd be... let's assume minimum 200

(pretty sure you get more than that by default but...)

that'd need 500 life/sec regen

and without access to %life regen on a high health bar to cheat

[hexed stream]

don't ask me how, people are doing it

[exotic wave]

Like idk, I'd need video proof to believe that

Mostly because believeing random people on the internet has never been a doable thing for me

[hexed stream]

you do you, not like convincing you earns me any money

for now, with my potato gears, 200 stacks is within reach

100 life regen from gears, and 100% life regen from jewels and 1 anoint

[exotic wave]

lol you can really get 100% life regen from jewels?

that absolutely need to gut that

[hexed stream]

15% per jewel for 6, then anoint is another 15%
there's another 25% anoint but too expensive

[exotic wave]

I've got a friend who is already immortal without jewel life regen

and actually has enough life that % life regen to that degree would be insane

but yeah sounds more like they need to be nerfed/come with a downside

[hexed stream]

people expect that to be readjusted after holiday

along with many other builds

[exotic wave]

frankly a ton of thing still need to be gutted

and a few things still need to buffed

(like a lot of bolt skills from crossbow and chaos monk ascend)

[hexed stream]

nah they should gut monster ms first, that's the most obnoxious thing for a slow, deliberate game like poe2

[exotic wave]

yeah

well not across the board

only certain ones

plenty I found were just right (or even a little slow)

I think they might need to gut MS on boots too

getting 30% on boots pertty much changes the entire game

[hexed stream]

i fact I feel rare and boss in poe2 is quite underwhelming, while magic and white are crazy

[exotic wave]

and not in like a QoL way

[hexed stream]

nah the 30ms is ok, I don't want to be like a snail like in GD

[exotic wave]

but like they need to go hard on this in January

since IIRC Feb is new classes (and thus new weapons and gems)

nah, as a melee, +MS as a universal thing everyone can get was a mistake

is still unsure whether it being on the true at all is a good idea even limited as it is

and my ranged classes outright feel broken with +MS

especially anything above 15%

mind you I think they also need to nerf slow effects alongside this

[hexed stream]

then they need to do something about map size

[exotic wave]

oh 100%

200% even

some of the maps are INSANE

like most act 1 maps are about right size

some act 2 maps are a little much (the titan maps and the underground map to the gates along with the first dreadnought map)

but like most of act 3 is just too large

and well we don't have acts 4-6 yet so I can't say if it'll continue

(and if they are smaller if that'll in turn effect atlus maps)

[desert jasper]

Act6 maps will be larger than entire act1

[exotic wave]

honestly minimap, the best outcome

[hexed stream]

[exotic wave]

would be to remove MS from boots as a generic mod

and put a ms reward on quest

probably as part of a selection reward

(and then shrink maps thanks)

that way people who want to zoom can take the X% reward

and everyone can take the other options

(maybe damage or defense as the other two options, idk)

[hexed stream]

not part, but the only, coz that for sure will be the default choice, unless the other option is +passive

[exotic wave]

(hell maybe skill points)

yeah that was my idea

was either massive defensive/offensive reward

or just straight up "Take skill points or ms"

[hexed stream]

and I can tell you, if it's anything less than 5 passive points, I'll still take 30ms any day

[exotic wave]

oh I wasn't thinking 30

non no no

I was thinking like 10-15%

[hexed stream]

nah, that will not work, also can tell you

unless you want 90% players to quit

[exotic wave]

(honestly I'd say they would put it low and maybe slowly tweak it upwards and downwards based on how common it is taken)

frankly, most players have already quit

they're playing PoE Trading 2 now

[hexed stream]

quit here as in quit forever, not the kind of after league start

[exotic wave]

nah I more meant they've stopped actually playing the game for the most part

[hexed stream]

very few people in this world can put up with slow movement speed, be it in any game, not just poe

[exotic wave]

and mostly just play trading

honestly I never felt slow

I DID feel that the maps got stupidly large

but I never felt like I needed MS

and when I got it I felt it kind of ruined the gameplay itself

[hexed stream]

you are the rare few here

[exotic wave]

like the combat felt awful the second I got MS

as it became stupidly easy to avoid everything

[hexed stream]

I don't mind ms got debuffed during combat, but overall less ms is strictly no go for me

[exotic wave]

I'd say it'd have to be something like MS debuffed for 10 seconds on attacking or being damaged

simply to avoid snipers/auto builds

[hexed stream]

nobody can stand walking in town like a snail, or backtracking the maps for loot

[exotic wave]

who would just blow up enemies from a mile away and then run around collecting loot

then again I'm a weird type who actaully wants to enjoy my gameplay

(and still thinks the loot aspect is as detrimental to this game as the RPG was for FF16)

like they make it insanely skill based... and then just tack on a stat system on top that can hinder it

+MS is one of the ways to break it for instance

(who needs skill to dodge when you can outpace with raw stats?)

or the various ways people are just being able to nuke a boss in 10 seconds or less

[bold mist]

[candid sage]

lololol. poe2 been out 2 weeks and already on the top 5 played on steam

[fierce moth]

First time to see "very negative" on steam

[tawny sand]

is age of mythology remake good?

[hot crown]

Well, when you use EA for monetary funding and then literally go poof ever since while using your sole CM to feed people on discord the same copypasta over and over again, it's only natural to get this sort of response. 😄

Worse still, even their publisher (Raw Fury) refuses to acknowledge that this game even exists in the first place. 😄

[fierce moth]

Oh nice, it come in a perfect time 🤭

[desert jasper]

kek cookie clicker

[fierce moth]

You're spoilered!

[hexed stream]

lol, snakepit ring, the ring I bought for 6ex, is now 1div min

[desert jasper]

lucky you bought it early

[hexed stream]

well, 1div was 4ex

imagine the people hoarding it

[desert jasper]

Hmm... fair yeah
Tbh I'm kinda annoyed I sold my div at 12 ex

instead of waiting just a tiny bit longer

[hexed stream]

all my div are from the 2 double crit chance jewels

sold them both and bought 2 ming rings

[desert jasper]

Somehow feels hard to believe that it's Christmas next week already

[hexed stream]

@exotic wave actually demon form was already nerfed, before end of week 1 you could go to a few thousands of stacks, but then they nerf it so that life degen can't be lower than 1

[fierce moth]

sigh, it mean EHG will on holiday soon until the new year. I miss them.

[hexed stream]

no girlfriend to hang out with, lonely xmas

[exotic wave]

Why was life degen able to go below 1?!

[fierce moth]

money is the only necessary thing, no worries

[hexed stream]

accurate to decimal places, then they rounded them all up

[desert jasper]

Me neither
But I'm going to my parent's place to see the siblings and parents
and also probably warming up the sauna
and ofc good food

[exotic wave]

And good company right?

[desert jasper]

I mean that's a given

[hexed stream]

also xmax is in the middle of the week, can't do much about that, not a holiday in my country
just that all the churches will decorate so beautifully and majestically you want to fill up your phone storage with photos

[desert jasper]

fair

[jade jackal]

Casual afk summary

[fierce moth]

... Alright I miss its open beta because of playing poe 2

[hexed stream]

@exotic wave if you try dodge roll of demon form, it will be very hard to go back to other builds

[exotic wave]

Yeah I used it

[hexed stream]

this is the game advertised as the child of diablo and poe right?

[exotic wave]

I DO think Demon Form is super busted early fwiw

And apparently regen is busted making it busted later

[fierce moth]

I saw its ad on reddit

[hexed stream]

same

[bold mist]

yea, 100% worth it, if you plan on buying it get the deluxe edition so you have the dlc included

[fierce moth]

it'll release on the end of 2025 so EHG don't need to worry about that

[hardy crane]

https://s.team/y24/dwjnphq?l=english

lol

that tracks

[maiden widget]

the tags are wild in steam

[narrow token]

I've seen Overwhelmingly Negative before (Lowest it can get afaik). I believe it was Atlas at the time. Overwatch 2 also came close.

[fierce moth]

are you base on the same time zone with Judd?

[sand wigeon]

I mean those all make sense

[maiden widget]

dwarf! 😄

[sand wigeon]

There are a lot of dwarf games!

[maiden widget]

guess its deeprock survivors for me

[tawny sand]

rock and stone

[desert jasper]

Did I hear rock and stone

[hardy crane]

yes

[sand wigeon]

i think it was battlefield 2042 that counted for hero shooter

[hardy crane]

@fierce moth RE: PoE2 build - I follow Ghazzy so just look up his guides

[sand wigeon]

battlefield 2042 and apex legends

[fierce moth]

lol this is a familiar name but who is it...OhOHHHHHHOh. Him... Oh 👌

[hardy crane]

but ya I am also central time like Judd lol

[maiden widget]

rock and stone!

[fierce moth]

You checked out his build guide video before you started to play your game?

[hardy crane]

for PoE2

for LE, I generally follow AaronActionRPG guides (when I follow a guide at all)

both of them are known for minion builds

[fierce moth]

😂 Do you a fan of minion builds in all loot-based ARPG? @hardy crane

I mean necromancer/undead army/skeleton summoning

[wind jolt]

is there any point for HC charter?

except the extra sterss?

[tawny sand]

personal goals, leaderboard, etc.

[sand wigeon]

no, it’s just a challenge for those who enjoy it

[hexed stream]

@ebon meadow here
I assume druid will be the same

[hardy crane]

its almost all I play for 20yrs

[fierce moth]

@south gust It's an honour, my pleasure and an very interesting thing if I have a chance to read the story of "how Muffin keep deep love with ARPG and what happened in this journey" in monthly interview 🙏

I guess questions I answered in countless exams in my life even less than enemies Muffin killed by his minions

I even no idea can I play ARPG for 10 years then Muffin played 20 years directly... holy god, the most impressive and shocking thing I hear here

[sand wigeon]

how are we qualifying “how long we’ve played arpg’s” because i played my first one when i was a child but didn’t play them somewhat consistently until recently

[exotic wave]

If we use that, I've been playing them since Ys 1.

refuses to use years because he's still young dabnagit

[narrow token]

I didn't play my first arpg until d3 sometime in 2014 or so. Didn't touch another one until LE in early 2023 just before d4 came out.

[sand wigeon]

What is Ys 1?

[sand wigeon]

Yeah, same. I was roughly six when D3 was released, and I oft' played it with my father. It was one of the first games I played, much less my first ARPG.

[fierce moth]

@gilded elm I guess my confusion for how to play lightning stormweaver is come from i bring my experience from le to poe 2 and want them to work in a different game then I'm dumbed... Armor needs strength stacking, evasion needs dexterity stacking, which it's not a requirement in le. At the same time like damage taken decouped by life, damage taken by mana before life, energy shield needs faster recharge nodes to support and so on are what I never touch so it's easy to mess them up.
Another thing is shock chance. I never play similar build in poe so I'm confused how to stack shock chance and increased damage by shock. and even I know that, a few ways to make lightning skills to work too and passive tree can be different completely in the mind of different players so that's another block. Lightning wrap is super good and it's a good choice to combo with spark, but is it only way to output insane damage? No.
So yeah... Listen more ideas from different people to decide what I want to play before I take action is an important thing for passing beginner period.

I can output insane damage by stacking crit chance from my gears and the help of passive tree in le, but it's a thing not available to do at all in poe 2.

That's the reason why I asked can I stack crit chance and crit multiplier to up my damage in poe 2. (Influenced by le too much and not enough basic knowledge from poe builds so...)

My brain still have "le mode" only so far 😂 😅

[exotic wave]

The first Ys game

You can absolutley do it in PoE 2

in fact if you want to go crit you HAVE to stack it on the tree

[sand wigeon]

...What is Ys?

[exotic wave]

They just made it harder to get high crit in 2 after 1

...an old ARPG from the 80s

specifically it came out the same year as Dragon Quest 1

[sand wigeon]

What was it on? That sounds pretty interesting