📚┃off-topic

[hexed stream]

at current state of the game, may get you killed mid combat

[gilded elm]

Seemed like you can roll increased weapon swap speed on jewels, but yeah it does need some improvement. Conceptually, weapon set passives are a great idea.

[tawny sand]

oh nice i got mag salvo now, gonna try it out

oh wow the animation is slow as heck

[ebon meadow]

The weapon speed on monk is silly lol it feels like I m playing blade flurry at this point

Just need a better freeze threshold for boses and I almost can freeze them completely

Btw looking at the Scryas monk build witch Ziz released ,looks like we have a bow leveling meta again

Was listening to it vagly this morning guess it can work on most characters that are melé or proj

Spells are probably have their own meta not hard to make them work

[visual pulsar]

I'm sure it's much safer just playing at ranged

for leveling

[ebon meadow]

It's better to play range in any case TBF why would u want to go in to damage logicly to start with

If the case was u make shittone more damage than any ranged character than that's ok but that's never the case

We just like to suffer let's be real

After I m done with monk in like a month hopefully XD it's going to be time to make a dot witch and a minion army witch

Se if I can pop out as many minions as Poe1 to body block Bose's

[hexed stream]

dot builds all shit now no?

[visual pulsar]

no

[ebon meadow]

I d be really suprise if they are

[visual pulsar]

dot builds are very viable

witch ones

[hexed stream]

which element? I only play chaos dot so far and it's kinda shit

[fierce moth]

https://youtu.be/prrLRWxntgg?si=gPK5D8WWYO2ivvGK

TGAGWCAGA 2024, hhhh nice work

[visual pulsar]

chaos

[ebon meadow]

Dot is just good utility wise it prevents stuff like energy shield and leach and drain from working

[hexed stream]

chaos not viable, t5 and above it tickles white mobs

[ebon meadow]

Consistent damage

Has anyone seen any bleed builds yet ? I m curious how good they scale

[visual pulsar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpOzSat0_0A

This dude is doing t13s

So no idea

Works fine

[hexed stream]

maybe he invests like crazy

[visual pulsar]

Nothing is a really huge investment when you can trade

[hexed stream]

ah nvm I know why

demon form

[visual pulsar]

It does the job it's supposed to

[hexed stream]

when you have +6 all spell, everything scales like crazy

[ebon meadow]

But u also crazy squishy no ?

Like most of tree Wil be regen ,leech and recoup if the last one even exist

[hexed stream]

for now ES solves everything

[ebon meadow]

Really ?

[hexed stream]

yeah, currently ES is broken

[ebon meadow]

I can't find a sweet spot for es regen

[hexed stream]

grim feast

[ebon meadow]

Hmm I need to watch some videos then

It's like I want to invest more in es but the regen for it just feels so slow

[ebon meadow]

Tree passive I am assuming ?

[hexed stream]

no it's a buff skill

[ebon meadow]

Ohh

Evasion is doing its job for me now but I am at 64% so when I get in to packs like the zone for act 2 boss ...yea I get freaked by proj and swarm

But it makes it a beautiful farm zone

3-6 runes per zone a lot of rares lot of socketed items to dismantle

Sanctrum lab is a bit better but u have to abuse the quest trial coin to farm

So u can't kill the boss and just fail it to keep redoing it for free

Don't tell GGG let me have my small abuse

[gilded elm]

Not really big enough to be an abuse, because running the green coin over and over is going to stop being useful very quickly.

You'd want coins with multiple trial floors to be able to unlock more relic slots to be able to do even harder sanctum runs for your 3rd and 4th ascendencies if you prefer to do sanctum instead of ultimatum

[ebon meadow]

I don't like neither of them bit I think i would prefer ultimatum

Still need to get there and see how it works performance wise I heard it's laggy even more than sanctum

My poor pc is going at 35-48 frames ATM

[visual pulsar]

I don't mind sanctum on my witch

I wonder what the 3rd one will be

[hexed stream]

I heard the first 2 sanctum floors are pit easy, but the real nightmare is the 3rd one, something like no honour res relic, don't attempt

[gilded elm]

Whichever you want

[visual pulsar]

My pc is still really good handles this game well

No I meant they are adding another trial for ascendancies

I want to know which one lol

[gilded elm]

Ah right

[visual pulsar]

Hopefully it's blight

so I can stand there and do nothing

[gilded elm]

ToTA... maybe lol

Because Karui... maybe

[visual pulsar]

Maybe

[hexed stream]

nah, blight will be its own league

maybe, just maybe, it's lab again? copium

[visual pulsar]

I would be fine with that I ran lab like 100000x lol

[tawny sand]

i actually liked lab the little i played of poe1

didn't mind doing it for ascendencies

[gilded elm]

I'm glad that at least relic slot progression is shared across your characters in a league.

[hexed stream]

the current blood mage dd build I play is kinda strong but no convocation makes it very annoying to play

I don't wanna rely on minion AI to deal damage even if minion control button exists

[exotic wave]

wait you can get more relic slots?

[ebon meadow]

xdd

the full square u have u can open it

i dont think u can expand it though

i didnt mind the lab inb poe 1 if it wasnt for traps

gimme mobs and Izaro all day long please leave % damage traps out

[gilded elm]

It's like idol slot progression in LE. You have to unlock more slots by progressing through different Sekhemet floors (not rooms)

[exotic wave]

so it's mostly for future characters

since by the time you beat floor 4 you're done

[gilded elm]

Oh absolutely not just for future characters

[exotic wave]

mind you I'm biased

I'm not even planning any characters with more than 2 ascends

[gilded elm]

I think you are likely expected to fail Sekhemet in 3rd and 4th ascendencies quite often before you have enough relic slots to actually pull through

[exotic wave]

because i hate both trails in the game currently lol

[ebon meadow]

i dont like them neither but i guess i can cope with it if its one time thing for ascendancy points

[exotic wave]

it's not lol

[tawny sand]

i hope they let you choose which trial to do when you unlock the first one, cause forcing you to do sanctum or wait for ultimatum kind of sucks

[exotic wave]

since you have to do higher tier versions which are even less fun

and if you dislike either you'll be waiting until act 4 I guess where the 3rd type will be

[tawny sand]

yeah

they should just unloick all of them from the start

[ebon meadow]

th issue is canu go progress as fast without doing act 2 trial and just wait untill ultimatum one

[exotic wave]

although I'm sure they'll pick ANOTHER unpopular league mechanic for the 3rd trial

[exotic wave]

kind of yeah

act 3 trial unlocks very quickly

[ebon meadow]

can it be delve i m fine with that xd

[exotic wave]

I mean...

you'll still fail

because it goes from being a level 22 area to being a... I want to say 35?

[tawny sand]

make it heist lol

[exotic wave]

so +10

yeah me and some friends joke it'd be heist

with the entire minigame left as is

but with teh tutorial/freebie heist removed

[hexed stream]

or delve

[ebon meadow]

Sanctrum thing is a freaking gamba i couldnt complete it untill i had 5 rooms as honour replenish lol but thats my skill issue

[exotic wave]

delve will be the 4th/uber one

sanctum at least has "skill issue" as even a delusion

ultimatum is stragiht up gamba

[tawny sand]

you know what, i actually don't mind the traps with wasd

[ebon meadow]

if it is delve and they put delve boses at end thqat is not going to be fun for a lot of people

[exotic wave]

at any point your run can be bricked

[tawny sand]

i never get hit by them

[exotic wave]

you assume people will reach delve bosses

they'll make the first one depth 500

[ebon meadow]

they not that hard its just the mechanics they have

[exotic wave]

hidden behind required explosives

and then increases teh darkness degen

(honestly I'd rather have heist than delve, I hate delve so much)

(it's just... not fun)

[ebon meadow]

i m geniunly the oposite to that xddd

delve is my house heist doors log out

[exotic wave]

I'd probably quit if Delve ever became required lol

probably demand a refund

[ebon meadow]

waiting to open the door to get shot by 7 packs of range monsters with poison is not fun for me

what refund the game is free xd

[exotic wave]

EA required money

but the joke was yes it was free

and I'd still demand a refund

then again being real, I don't think many league mechanics that PoE made were fun

and the fun ones we DID get ended up getting nerfed to questionable usefulness, made unfun or a combination of both after league end

[ebon meadow]

ohh i was confused xdd

realisticly i dont expect any major updates or any content added to EA

just adjustments to core

might be wrong

[tawny sand]

make it bestiary league before they changed the trap mechanic

[gilded elm]

What do you mean? The whole rest of the game should be added over teh course of EA.

[ebon meadow]

i geniunly dont expect it tbf

[gilded elm]

The EA runs until release. EA doesn't end until the game is released the very next day.

[ebon meadow]

that would be nice

[gilded elm]

That is confirmed.

The next major content we can expect is probably Druid and then Huntress.

[ebon meadow]

wait the did confirm to relase all clases and everything as EA before full launch ?

[exotic wave]

Yes

[ebon meadow]

huh i didnt know that

[gilded elm]

The game doesn't release until it's "complete"

[exotic wave]

Next classes are Feb IIRC

[ebon meadow]

thats great then

[gilded elm]

It isn't complete until they are satisfied with the EA.

[ebon meadow]

so we are literally lab rats for complete release i like that

i m fine with that

[gilded elm]

Yes EA is an actual beta test.

GGG calls it a beta.

[tawny sand]

i'm really looking forward to druid and huntress

[gilded elm]

So I do understand when people are upset by bugginess and lacking content, but it's literally a beta and expectations should be kept to a "beta tester" mindset and not treat this as an actual full release league.

[ebon meadow]

becouse people didnt had a finished and polished product for a decade at least lol they want to grab on to something

also we do like to complain

i always have a beta testing mentality in poe even in poe1 every league

i know for the fact they dont have enought testers before league launches becouse of the leaks and stuff

[tawny sand]

paying for a beta smh my head, it should be a crime. they should pay ME to test

[ebon meadow]

first week of new league is a clown fest finding buggs and exploits

[ebon meadow]

go tell that to steam with alpha acces lmao

[gilded elm]

I mean it's brilliant, if people are willing to pay you to test your product, what more could you ask for

[exotic wave]

I mean that's the entire point of EA lol

like almost openly so

like as a thing

[tawny sand]

||i wasn't being serious||

[exotic wave]

not just PoE 2

[gilded elm]

I acknowledge that I'm paying to experience unfinished content and with some intent to help improve the ongoing development of the game with feedback and I set my expectations accordingly.

[ebon meadow]

and even now lol , Rust finished product aparently , ARK went in alpha for so manyyears and relased with buggs still scrapped and made same game with another engine xdd

[tawny sand]

if anything, D4 should've had an early access (a real one, not the 3 day head start one)

[ebon meadow]

we know , but theres a point u do have there that we undertand to some extend

[gilded elm]

Unfortunately a lot of people went into PoE2 EA with a sense of entitlement and expectation of a full release title.

And only ended up disappointing themselves.

[hexed stream]

they didn't want EA, they thought they knew better than the common peasants

[ebon meadow]

and yet again EA poe2 gives more content than some full releases xd that is wild

[gilded elm]

D4 also had closed beta tests where all of the major issues present at launch were addressed by several beta testers and they shipped the game any way.

[tawny sand]

yeah that wasn't a real beta either imo, just a server test if anything

[ebon meadow]

yea it got to point or relases or boycot with d4

people just fed up with waiting

[tawny sand]

now they do ptr's at least

so it's something

[ebon meadow]

Immortal had stomped on to many toes for that to

[gilded elm]

They should've been doing them from the start, it's actually one of the few things Blizzard is positively known for.

[ebon meadow]

was a dumb idea

[gilded elm]

e.g. WoW and Overwatch PTRs

[tawny sand]

yeah, idk

blizzard be weird

[gilded elm]

Something weird with the D4 team I think

I blame Rod tbh

[ebon meadow]

but they wanted the hype so they couldnt put on an NDA if they make ptr public

like we are not gonna datamine stuff anyway lmao

[gilded elm]

Keeping stuff a secret only works when you're actually good at your job and you don't need PTRs to lean on as a crutch haha

[tawny sand]

it also had development hell before rod and the other guy joined

what's the head dev's name, i forgot

joe something?

[ebon meadow]

i defently can agree with that hahah this is actually true

[gilded elm]

I don't know, there was a previous D4 team that got sacked, Joe Shely took over. Joe Shely and Adam Jackson are good, they are the good people in the team IMO.

[ebon meadow]

didnt they scraped the actual team or few of them and rehired the devs that was at Blizz north for curent development ?

[fierce moth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMWi-fRyt8A 【HC/HCSSF RIP MOMENTS of STREAMERS | DAY 1 & 2 | Path of Exile 2】
🤭 Everyone who willing to challenge hc in poe 2 is...Super brave and genius

[tawny sand]

joe shely yeah

[fierce moth]

But anyways very interesting to see how are they died

[gilded elm]

IMO Joe Shely is a good director. Good game designer in a tough position.

[ebon meadow]

we used to have a chanell for clips and rips , i 2 times on there to xdd

[gilded elm]

But I'm pretty sure Rod Fergusson represents the interests of the suits.

And I suspect he's the bad actor in the team currently.

"That" upper management guy.

[fierce moth]

hhhhhh this is the most funny way to die I seen so far

He forget the time countdown completely

[hexed stream]

I wonder if I should test run 3rd trial even without any honor res relic

[tawny sand]

what's interesting to me is D3 and D4 is supposed to be the "dad with 15 kids and 7 jobs casual game", but if PoE2 numbers are anything to go by it seems trying to throw out a wide net is more detrimental than it is good. Assuming those people actually stick around, i don't know if they will

[fierce moth]

This boss is the one appear the most in this video 🤭 All death is happened when he slide the ground by his knife suddenly

[twilit mountain]

Yeah, that knife does a LOT of physical damage, it's deadly

[tawny sand]

i don't think that knife is intended to damage that much

[gilded elm]

PoE2's numbers will drop. Sharply. Maybe not this week or the next, but next month perhaps. Diablo 4 is easily the uncontested most played ARPG on the market right now if you just conservatively extrapolate based on self-reported revenue figures. I'd even say that PoE2 probably doesn't have a lot of overlap with D4's core audience because of the difficulty curve.

I love PoE2. But I do not think it's casual-friendly, at all.

[hexed stream]

it's even less casual friendly than poe1

[polar trellis]

Why?

Im asking cause i dont play poe2

I thought it was more qol than poe1

[twilit mountain]

I'd wager D4 will remain as that because, well, it's kinda built to be exactly that. PoE, by its very nature and track record, is not going to have a large, extremely casual playerbase. It's a consuming game.

[twilit mountain]

Oh man. It has like negative qol tbh lmao

[polar trellis]

What how

[twilit mountain]

We don't even have alts/scours

[polar trellis]

Thats what throw me off poeq

1

[polar trellis]

Sorry idk that

[gilded elm]

PoE2 is new-player friendly, absolutely, especially compared to PoE1. But being easier to understand doesn't quite make it compatible with your available gaming time.

[twilit mountain]

Basically we don't have essential crafting components

[hexed stream]

most casual will not make it past campaign, so the complicated game mechanics of poe1 don't matter much to casual as some would argue
and as of current state, poe2 campaign is ways more painful than 1

[twilit mountain]

It's also aggressively more difficult than PoE1, like gameplay wise

[polar trellis]

Damn u make me wanna play

Ngl the only thing that theow me off poe1 is the skill tree

[twilit mountain]

Well uh

[polar trellis]

I mean the passive skill tree

[twilit mountain]

It's worse now

[gilded elm]

It's best to consider PoE2 a completely different game in almost every way than PoE1, that calling it a sequel almost misrepresents the expected experience.

[twilit mountain]

Bigger, more travel, yet somehow less impactful

[polar trellis]

Hmm wasnt the old tree has just many hp nodes ?

[twilit mountain]

Yes

Those are gone now

And they just... added even more shit

[gilded elm]

I actually kind of think that calling it PoE Two maybe was a mistake.

[polar trellis]

Are the new ones bad ?

[twilit mountain]

Kinda.

There's a lot of really meager passives and way too many travel nodes

[polar trellis]

I guess theres a reason why they will continue poe1 with alternating cycles with poe2

[polar trellis]

Ohhhh i see

[gilded elm]

Yep, GGG was completely aware this would have a split reaction and was instantly on board with the idea of continuing PoE1 indefinitely alongside PoE2.

[polar trellis]

Visually tho i like it and the slowness for some reason i like it

Reminds me of dota

[twilit mountain]

The slowness stops existing after the campaign

[polar trellis]

Poe1 is league poe2 is dota kekw

[twilit mountain]

We go right back to "you BETTER clear everything as quick as you can or you die"

[polar trellis]

We go back to poe1 clear in 1 second ?

[twilit mountain]

Marginally slower than PoE1 clear. Marginally.

[polar trellis]

Ah thats a bummer

[gilded elm]

I do maintain that Dota is harder than League, because denying is a skill in Dota

[polar trellis]

I thought it will continue like that

[twilit mountain]

The mechanics (Breach and Ritual espcially) are absurdly aggressive with the amount of mobs they spawn, so you need high clear to actually do them

[polar trellis]

Yea theres so many stuffs u do in dota thats why no players kekw

Thats sad. I really hoped that le was doing 4 months updates because i kinda like this gameplay ngl

[twilit mountain]

I tried to play DOTA but it's just hard for me to wrap my head around the control scheme 🫠

[hexed stream]

if you think denying is hard in dota, try deadlock

[polar trellis]

If u play from league then thats because dota has a turn rate. And its different for each heroes 🤣

[twilit mountain]

I don't play League, I happen to like myself somewhat /s

[gilded elm]

Not necessarily hard, but just a thing you kinda have to be good at to be efficient and optimal hehe

[polar trellis]

Also dota is really like poe. The more time u put in the more fun it is

[hexed stream]

denying in deadlock is pure madness

[polar trellis]

Deadlock is so confusing its too much for me its dota 2 but with cago aiming

Lmao

[gilded elm]

I do wanna give Deadlock a try at some point. I am Valve fan boi

[twilit mountain]

Oh I also just... don't really like playing games with public matchmaking that require communication so there's that as well

[polar trellis]

Like sure im good mechanically but damn i am only decent at aiming

[tawny sand]

that's why i play fighting games

[hexed stream]

that game will create a new antifan out of you

[polar trellis]

I mute everyone and i play at the immortal bracket

[tawny sand]

i don't need to rely on teammates

[polar trellis]

The highest rank in dota

[gilded elm]

Maybe, I think MOBAs are just bad for your mental health in general lmao

[polar trellis]

It is

I have 5k hours on it. Its worth it 🤣

[twilit mountain]

I mean, grats. Idk if I have the capacity to send myself that far into yet another game, I've got too many on my plate already lol

[polar trellis]

Yea dont try it . Its too time consuming

[gilded elm]

Never play MOBAs with people you want to stay friends with.

[polar trellis]

We are closer

[polar trellis]

U can just learn dota enough to watch pro play

Dota pro play is pure cinema

Trashtalking

Tiping

The announcers hyping sht

[gilded elm]

Oh yeah competitive Dota is amazing to watch if you actually know how to play the game.

[polar trellis]

Its crazy

U compare that to league its a snooze fest 🤣

[twilit mountain]

Despairge. There's around 3k hours missing from the PoE time to boot. 🫠

[gilded elm]

I haven't seen any comp Dota recently, but I remember just loving to hear Purge commentate

[polar trellis]

I rather watch nightblue play jungle rather than watching league pri play

[polar trellis]

Ill give u a cinema game

https://youtu.be/CUGGKJ9MTQ8?si=8wCnQhnSQwTRQUXg

This is fuking cinema

[gilded elm]

Been a looong time since I last played lol

[tawny sand]

good thing you quit

probably in a happier place now

lol

[gilded elm]

Something about MOBAs just brings out the worst in people lol

[hexed stream]

or any competitive game

[gilded elm]

Yep, true.

Toxicity and competition goes hand in hand

[tawny sand]

nah fighting games are chill believe me

just ignore lowtiergod

mortal kombat is toxic tho

[gilded elm]

I've seen some toxic fighting game stuff lol

Like just losing their shit, calling people cheaters etc

But yeah, team comp just brings out a different kind of competitive toxicity.

[tawny sand]

just some friendly controller breaking, it's chill trust

[hexed stream]

it's all about the pressure the game gives you

[tawny sand]

i find moba matches too slow when i tried it, idk

it felt like a match took forever

[gilded elm]

It's almost guaranteed that if you matchmake into a team in a competitive game, you will be blamed for everything and it's never anyone else's fault etc.

The point of course being that it doesn't matter whether they're right or wrong

[polar trellis]

Thats qhy u gotta be fast. And trash talk them first

[gilded elm]

haha

[polar trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/think-about-it-use-your-brain-use-the-brain-think-brain-gif-7914082

[twilit mountain]

Chill enough to have SonicFox exist and not bullied out of the fandom is pretty good all things considered.

[indigo shadow]

Hello

do you think POE 2 after effect bring people to play LE?

[gilded elm]

When LE launches next season, yeah

[tawny sand]

There's also Romolla who's trans and was a top Guitly Gear player, I learned a lot from her videos when I got into Strive

[twilit mountain]

Haven't heard her name in a good while. I'm very casual with fighting games but Reddit likes to show me FGC stuff often.

[polar trellis]

Yea like april 2025 its still far

Hope they add more classes ngl. Would love to see another subclass that uses katana

I never seen a katana in mmorpg like vergil 🤣

[tawny sand]

nice, yeah i don't think she plays guilty gear anymore tho. I think she got kind of burned on it, now just plays whatever on stream

[polar trellis]

Just do judgement cut and all stuff vergil does

I mostly seen in arpg are like the normal classes

[fierce moth]

I'll curious about when is the next time we can see Judd in chat

[fierce moth]

The game I played the most but still lower than your record on playtime

[blissful token]

Judd in chat? As in Discord? Twitch?

[fierce moth]

In discord

[blissful token]

Judd seems to linger in reddit more 🤔

[fierce moth]

Make sense. it's where EHG is born

[tawny sand]

I didn't play last LE season

[fierce moth]

🤭 I'm new to le so... Played the whole 1.0 and played 1.1 since it's out until poe 2 is live

Missed the moment over 300k people in this server... Members start to be lost since the gold duplicate issue is happened

[tawny sand]

yeah that's why i didn't play last season, too many stupid things AND the performance is still not that good for me

[polar trellis]

Gold duplicate ?

[gilded elm]

ay this actually seems good

[hexed stream]

somehow you have even more steam play time than me

[fierce moth]

Twice times. The first one is on March, the second one is on July, all relevant to gold solders and sell in-game items with real money

[jade jackal]

May i add how much better the character stat sheet is on LE compared to PoE2

am i imagining or does PoE2's one lacks simple basic things

[fierce moth]

There's a grey commercial chain in ARPG is trade in-game items with real money all the time, these vendors are seeking suitable games to copy golds and make the inflation on the market become super high then normal players can't offered any items they want

[fierce moth]

Yeah please 👀

[twilit mountain]

t

whoops

[fierce moth]

https://www.reddit.com/r/PathOfExile2/comments/1heqya5/as_a_new_player_i_pretty_proud_of_myself_for/
Holy god I'm a bit late maybe but that's the build I want to play definitely!

[tawny sand]

i'm surprised that actually runs well, that's a lot of fireballs lol

gpu be crying

[fierce moth]

My old game maybe can go on because of this build...? 🤔

[tawny sand]

you could try ranger, i'm having a lot of fun with it

i'm already in act 2 cruel

[fierce moth]

Your speed boost a lot indeed

[tawny sand]

yeah idk, it seems spark IS good but you really need gear to make it sing, but i'm not that smart so idk

i was just constantly struggling with it

[fierce moth]

oh forget a thing... This firball stoermweaver build needs huge mana support

https://www.reddit.com/r/PathOfExile2/comments/1hfegyr/what_my_act_boss_sees/

🤣 Sorry i brust into laughing when I watching this video

As same as my performance in game. 100% real

[jade jackal]

nice, a vaal orb dropped too

[snow kestrel]

did you vaal the staff?

[jade jackal]

no

[ebon meadow]

Holy that a bonker

[ebon meadow]

U mentioned fireball and someone else performance I already know what build it is

Unless u pc can handle Empys group play I wouldn't recommend it

Once u get density in zone and Ur proj covering screen it's good bye GPU

Those build can literally brick Ur pc

That made me remember old rolling magma build

https://tenor.com/view/flashbang-gif-22572243

https://youtu.be/alpdkhqO-04?si=iQtwLPb6J05NxDZr found a compilation with me in it lol there's another episode with me dropping mirror to same league xdd

I wonder if GFL will make comps for poe2

[junior oyster]

I think I find poe2 mapping pretty boring in comparison to poe1 mapping.

But that's probably just me

[ebon meadow]

The zoom part is my favourite to I still need to get there before I judge it

But I can already tell it's more related to LE than old Poe

I think my personal record is clearing a map in 1:40 mint including boss and leaving under 50 monsters left I doubt this will be achivable in Poe 2

[torn dust]

finished the campaign!

[junior oyster]

In poe2 you are forced to kill all rares as opposed to just going for boss

Some maps don't even have bosses

[ebon meadow]

Gz

This is the feel they bought to us after the rares rework so it was expected yea

I just have a weird feel I don't like that the rares are stronger than the map boss it just changes the essence of mapping for me at least

It's like having ghosted Bose's and X2 on rares compared to map boss

U get soul eater with leach or more life and it literally more tanky than the boss map lol

They wanted to slow down game a lot and I guess they did do it but I don't think the rares rework was the thing to do it with I d prefer white mobs just to have more defences and life and packs be smaller so we could drag them but I m not a dev surely there's better ways than this

[ebon meadow]

really ???Lucian with a xyc xd man we getting shorter imagination for this stuff XD

thats one of the names i have for a kid if i have one to thats thing highlights to me like a club

[narrow token]

So these raging spirits are effing weird. They just kinda wail on random mobs or otherwise float around like goobers. Do they ever get cool?

[ebon meadow]

umm yes they target neer by enemy

its probably one of the best skills in game AI wise xd

but they are temporal minions so i can see the confusion

[narrow token]

I think I was just hoping for more oomph. They don't explode when they disappear, they move super slow, they're the size of a baby's hand, etc...

[ebon meadow]

no infernal legion ? then go skellys with bleed and impale

and quantity of minions u can pop out on single target

[narrow token]

I'm not trying to make a minion build. That's not of any interest to me. Fire spells just kinda suck on their own.

[ebon meadow]

have u tried ignite ?

proj +fire damge scaling

fire dot is probably one of the broken things in game right now and i m not even sure what numbers poe have

just becouse u can make it tick fster plus the stack

[viral galleon]

If you aren't going minions then raging spirits won't be very strong

[narrow token]

Idk I'm not very good at this.

[ebon meadow]

i m hoping that u are not higher than me right now xdd

grab a build from maxroll u l enjoy it more

[narrow token]

I barely got sorc to level 26. It was a rough time.

Build guides suck a lot of the fun out of the game for me. So does the lack of fun spells to use. At this point it might be a year or more before the game is in a state where spells/abilities/weapons exist that I want to try.

[ebon meadow]

ok fair

now make me a spell mele

warrior or monk

[narrow token]

There's like, zero fire quarterstaff attacks.

Who knows if swords will have fire attacks. Tying skills to weapons probably makes the animations look great, but it severely limits visual "themeing".

[tawny sand]

what's yoru guy's least favorite zone? mine's valley of titans 100%, i just find t he enemies not fun to fight

[visual pulsar]

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3642235/page/1#p25666653

More huge changes

Rebalanced trials too

[ebon meadow]

exces of gems detected

[visual pulsar]

So people can faceroll them 😄

[ebon meadow]

poison charm

[visual pulsar]

They are buffing the bad supports

This company is crazy

[ebon meadow]

but yea goliaths are to tanky

[visual pulsar]

Magnetic Salvo can now only use your stuck Lightning Arrows as opposed to those created by your Party Members.

This was needed

so stupid in group play

[tawny sand]

there aren't any poison enemies in valley of titans though?

[ebon meadow]

really thought theres some poison clouds on kill there

apart from the big bois

[tawny sand]

i don't think so, i just did it and don't remember seeing any

[ebon meadow]

fair must of been some rare for me then

[tawny sand]

it's mostly just a bad mix of enemy behavior to me, diving worms, boulder bugs, skeleton mages with huge tornadoes

ah yeah maybe

the diving worms being rare are the worst

[ebon meadow]

yea

[narrow token]

Dreadnaught. By MILES. LIGHTYEARS, even.

[tawny sand]

dreadnought is annoying with the guys that tp behind you for sure

[narrow token]

My damage isn't high enough? Dead, because there's no escape.

[tawny sand]

i imagine it's awful with a minion build too cause of how narrow it is

[narrow token]

And me, being TERRIBLE at scaling my damage and defenses had a HORRIFIC time with it.

[ebon meadow]

confused becouse i rolled over him xdd

[narrow token]

I never want to do that place again.

[ebon meadow]

like literally

[narrow token]

Congrats. I got farmed. I HATE that place.

[visual pulsar]

Dreadnaught was awesome though but hard

I loved the actual storyline of act2

Very unique

[narrow token]

I'd rather have my eyes gouged out with a rusty spoon than go through that hell again. It was awful.

[ebon meadow]

theme wise its very cool but u know u hyping becouse of one of the discoverys

[narrow token]

Also, there's a story?

[ebon meadow]

theres a few as the PoE1

[narrow token]

I can't remember anything that happened because I was so frustrated the whole way through the parts I played.

Something something desert.
Something something, horn.
Something something lightning sword guy on a shitty dreadnaught

[ebon meadow]

no one cares for story u just start to when u get bored

ask me the name of first bos? xd

[narrow token]

I remember more of LE's story because I had enough breathing room to pay attention to it. Also D4. This game? I'm too busy trying not to DIE to remember anything about what's going on with the narrative.

[ebon meadow]

what narrative

to busy hitting life flask and thinking if the charges will hold

[tawny sand]

poe2's story isn't as good as 1's so far imo

i really liked 1's lore

[ebon meadow]

witch one though

poe is about diferent lores depending on the path

[narrow token]

I didn't play poe1 so idk anything about it.

[ebon meadow]

like i like the Sirus story and the conquerors are beeing us getting to greedy

there are multiple lores thats about it , it fuses in to single universe and stuff but its weird and dificult to explain

there were a streamer than has the lore covered for poe 1 it is actually cool

i do wonder if epochs in LE epochs were an inspiration from poe timelines sort of

[visual pulsar]

It gets the blood pumping that's for sure

le and d4 were way more faceroll except for like one boss in le

The tentacle dude

That boss sucked

[ebon meadow]

Kitten Cat Noodle thats it she covers a lot of poe lore better than no one xd , enjoy geting ur brain bricked

[tawny sand]

i don't find him that bad, i find the elk/centaur worse cause if he charges you in the right way he'll push you out of the safe area of his aoe

it's very annoying

[visual pulsar]

I had the most trouble with tentacle dude died like 4 times

[tawny sand]

i remember when i first played LE, Majasa wrecked me

[ebon meadow]

can someone pls remind his name to a pot head xd

[tawny sand]

i think it was when she was first added

they nerfed her a bit after i believe

[ebon meadow]

its a good boss and i hope they fixed the stair bug

leviathan ?

no thats the mythical one

[tawny sand]

i can't remember at all dang, trying to

[ebon meadow]

i have excuse its late and i m high xd

damn it

Lagon

ffs its not hard xdd

i just got bricked

[tawny sand]

oh right

i remember now cause it rhymes with Dagon

[ebon meadow]

i had to google but i usually rember it from one piece

dont anyone dare to call spoilers that is an old as my sister lmao

and theres 2 digits

[hexed stream]

haha more nerfs

[hexed stream]

gem tab is very good in poe2, I bought it on sale

fk yeah chaos dot

[visual pulsar]

Needed nerfs yes

That's more for idiots abusing it at the super end game

[shut ferry]

Update zoo , Think i could reach 16

[visual pulsar]

maybe

[desert jasper]

Wonder when the patch comes out

[hexed stream]

next year

[fierce moth]

This floor don't easy to made... A lot of patience is needed

The whole afternoon is spent on the floor hhhh

[hexed stream]

currently playing with passive points for 2 weapon sets, 1 for mapping and 1 for boss

[hexed stream]

ok, it failed miserably, wasted 300k gold

[desert jasper]

rip
i would've waited for the patch tbh

[hexed stream]

Time for new char new build I guess

Thinking of demon form infernalist, to catch up with the upcoming chaos dot buff

[fierce moth]

Go on my progress for leveling up the new sorceress

[hexed stream]

where are you now?

new char or still old char?

[ebon meadow]

Holy bonker for a monk

Neversink is cheating

[hexed stream]

he has a new loot filter now?

[ebon meadow]

Idk actually just saw his tweet

Also found this this morning made me jiggle

[fierce moth]

🤭 No one online

[twilit mountain]

Not true, I'm in a loading screen

(It's 8:30AM for me)

[fierce moth]

lv 80 🙏

[twilit mountain]

This is my second level 80 character

[ebon meadow]

Work break having some lunch

[fierce moth]

How can you level up so fast... :(

[fierce moth]

new, lv 28, bone pit

[twilit mountain]

Uh... idk, like 10k hours in the ARPG genre has molded me into a degenerate whose brain is wired for these games ig?

Ooh, tasty map

[fierce moth]

Your skill is as same as these poe streamers I can say

No idea when i can see the end game in poe 2

[twilit mountain]

Def worse than some of them. Fubgun puts me to shame easily for example.

[twilit mountain]

I'm sure you will before too long. Cruel goes a lot faster than normal acts so once you beat normal your pace should go up pretty steadily.

Unrelated to PoE, one of my kittens just walked all over my arms and she must have been playing in the tub after someone showered because her paws are soaked

[desert jasper]

Today is one of them days where I don't really feel like doing much
Did force myself to do some workout & stuff
but mostly been feeling like just napping

[fierce moth]

ohhhh wow I pass this boss battle without any death 😱

[desert jasper]

gg

[twilit mountain]

Grats c:

[hexed stream]

what a scammer

[desert jasper]

always annoying
i usually just block those

[hexed stream]

lol I just realize, it's totally wrong to play chaos on hit damage as a blood mage, acolyte of chayula supports it much better

[fierce moth]

This map is #2 annoying one... Because of narrow paths. Just come to the area of last boss in act 2

[desert jasper]

Yeaa Dreadnought is a bit annoying

[fierce moth]

what the hell?........
I can't see minions summoned by the boss at all in the windy duration...

[gilded elm]

what minions lol

[desert jasper]

the extra monsters that spawn during the wind phase
King's attendant I think is their name?

[tawny sand]

ah yeah, like little zombies or something

[desert jasper]

yea, the ones that crawl

[gilded elm]

Don't remember... feel like maybe they just die quickly to AoE then while I'm in the safe bubble.

[hexed stream]

what to level with acolyte I wonder

[gilded elm]

Beautiful

[hexed stream]

remind me of warhammer 40k

[gilded elm]

Does have some Inquisitor/Psyker vibes

[tawny sand]

i remember finding psyker hard in martyr

like the themes were so cool, but i always over - casted or w/e and had chaos spawn

[gilded elm]

Indeed, very lore accurate too. The more psychic powers you use, the more you invite the denizens of the immaterium (aka chaos) into the materium.

[fierce moth]

🤭 First time to enter the 2nd duration, charge storage is super poor

[gilded elm]

I didn't see any ES nerf in the big patch notes. Surprised by that

[desert jasper]

They did say that it doesn't cover everything
and it's not the actual patch notes yet

[gilded elm]

Still if there was a ES nerf, it would be big enough to mention I think. This is the last major patch before their holiday wind-down and probably we won't see anything new until after New Year.

Also can anyone spot anything about this hideout screenshot?

[desert jasper]

spot what 🤔

[gilded elm]

Haha

I should not be allowed to spend money in online games.

But this is definitely a banger hideout, it has freakin boat riding

lmao

[desert jasper]

Hmm
I suddenly kinda want to get some chocolate
I probably shouldn't because diabetes though

[gilded elm]

There's good zero sugar chocolate out there. Lilly's makes the best I think.

[fierce moth]

🫡 I suppose I need to learn the attack mechanic of JAMANRA all night

[tawny sand]

i'm just not finding any max life on gear lately

[fierce moth]

keep more flask charges in 1st duration so more mistake chance for 2nd duration is important

[tawny sand]

going into act 3 cruel all squishy

[desert jasper]

don't think that's available here in Finland

[gilded elm]

Ah rip. All of the major brands also have zero sugar variations. Aspartame, Sucralose etc are fine, they won't cause a glucose spike.

I don't have T2D personally, but I have a fairly extensive understanding of insulin resistance (aka Type-2 Diabetes) as part of my lifestyle avoiding a carb-heavy diet and helping out my dad with his prediabetes.

[desert jasper]

I've t1

[gilded elm]

Oh you are one of the super rare ones then.

[desert jasper]

hmm?

[gilded elm]

Your pancreas just doesn't produce insulin.

T1D accounts for something like 5% of all diabetes cases.

Vast majority is T2D

T1D = usually born with it, not caused by diet.
T2D = you eat too much glucose (sugar, carbs etc)

[gilded elm]

I just meant that Type-1 is super uncommon hehe

[desert jasper]

I got diagnosed a week before turning 34

So certainly wasn't born with it

Anyway, getting some fresh air

[gilded elm]

Yep, can happen. Autoimmune diseases suck 😦

T2 is the most common, usually a result of eating too much sugar/glucose and the insulin your body produces becomes less effective at regulating glucose in your blood. Only solution is a lifestyle change that increases insulin sensitivity.
T1 is when (for whatever reason) your pancreas is no longer able to produce any insulin at all, which means eating anything with glucose becomes extremely dangerous without an insulin shot nearby.

Fun fact: Some medical literature has started to refer to Alzheimer's as Type-3 Diabetes. There's strong connection between Alzheimer's and glucose.

[tawny sand]

should i upgrade my ea pack hmm

[gilded elm]

Depends on which pack tbh. I went for the most expensive one because I wanted all the physical goods including the art book.

I didn't wanna upgrade one at a time because then I'd be paying shipping for each upgrade because of physical goods.

The shipping was $20 for me

[desert jasper]

tbh it's not too bad
just afraid of needles

[tawny sand]

oof, i was just thinking points if i dont' get shipping

i don't want the t-shirt that much

[gilded elm]

I'm surprised how many people this affects! It's a crazy idea from my perspective because it's just a fairly painless in and out, but def seen a bunch of people with a mortal fear of it, like it's an actual phobia. Fascinating, but also unfortunate.

[tawny sand]

i have to get antipsychotics injection, i always hate the needle 😬

i'm not afraid of it exactly, more so i get it in the hip and sometimes i mess up and flex my muscle then i'm sore as heck

i only have 3 fears really, ladders, flying insects like bees/hornets, and i forgot my third one lol

oh, stuff in my eyes

[gilded elm]

On the bright side, at least you live in Finland and not in the US. I'm sure your access to insulin is at least not an issue. Things could always be worse. There are very few organizations I hate more than the American Diabetes Association who are financially sponsored by the major insulin makers like Eli Lilly and Co.

[tawny sand]

i have a hard time doing eye drops cause i'm constantly flinching

[gilded elm]

Guess you'll never be able to wear contacts hehe

[tawny sand]

yeah i wear glasses lol

i couldn't do lazer eye surgery either

i'd be flinching the entire time

when's the next poe1 league btw?

february i think? is that right?

[hexed stream]

late feb

2 months away

provided no delay due to poe2

[gilded elm]

I'm always thinking of getting LASIK but my fear has been more about what if there's an earthquake or equipment malfunction at the wrong moment, even though it's been deemed a super safe procedure.

I'm really tired of wearing glasses.

I wonder... is there maybe a way to traverse these islands without a boat?

[hexed stream]

magnitude of poison should affect the poison not caused by a hit right?

like a skill that directly poisons enemies

[gilded elm]

I haven't tried anything poison yet, but I'm always grabbing magnitude of shock which affects the % increased damage from shock (the number in the shock icon)

What does magnitude affect for poison?

Because the damage itself is still based on a hit, isn't it? (whether that hit is real or not, like Flame Wall will ignite you as if doing X damage, but it doesn't actually do X damage, that's just for the ignite magnitude calculation)

So a skill that directly poisons enemies... does it have anything similar to that mod which determines the actual damage of the poison instance?

[tawny sand]

if i buy the packs that have physical items, do i select at checkout if i want points or do i need to contact customer support?

[gilded elm]

You select at checkout

Or whenever the item is added to cart, maybe?

I did that for the Kalguur packs for PoE1

[tawny sand]

cool, was just wondering cause i know they're swamped with support tickets right now

[gilded elm]

But note... once you select that you want points, I don't think you can change that selection when or if you upgrade that pack

So when you upgrade, you'll get points and don't get to choose if you want the physical goods associated with that upgraded pack.

[tawny sand]

oh okay

[gilded elm]

I mainly wanted the hoodie and the art book

[hexed stream]

no, directly by a skill

[gilded elm]

Oh? Like the skill says "Deals X poison damage per second" ?

[hexed stream]

https://poe2db.tw/us/Decompose

this skill

[gilded elm]

Oh okay, so it does still have this similar line

So the poison is still based on a "hit"

Just not a real hit

[hexed stream]

don't understand much about how this works, so what I want to know is all those magnitude nodes, do they work with this skill

like this

coz these seems to have bigger numbers than any of the spell/chaos nodes in the tree

[gilded elm]

Technically magnitude should work yes. Decompose is saying that it will poison an enemy based on a "fake" hit that deals 30-39.5% of the corpse's max life.

[fierce moth]

@desert jasperI want to add you in poe 2, what your ign is?

[gilded elm]

This is because ailment damage scaling is based on the hit itself.

And when a skill applies an ailment without actually hitting, it will instead say that it will apply the ailment "as though" hitting with that much damage.

[gilded elm]

Not sure if that makes sense.

[uncut roost]

@dusty pollen
Did you seriously send me a private message to show me how many hours you played then block me ! What's the point !
You're like a grandpa with a kid brain

[hexed stream]

then there's this effect of poison that I have no idea if it's the same as magnitude

[desert jasper]

Just stop it. both of you.
You were already told to stop.
Just send message to modmail if you're getting harassed

[gilded elm]

This is the "hit" FYI

[hexed stream]

ok what about effect? same as magnitude?

[uncut roost]

Who r u ?

[gilded elm]

Effect... hm that's a good question

[gilded elm]

Does poison do anything more than just damage per second? Does it have an associated effect with it?

[hexed stream]

this is really confusing

[gilded elm]

Yeah I don't know how they managed to make poison more confusing than PoE1 leech lmao

Magnitude makes sense. It scales how much of the original hit's damage is used to calculate the actual poison damage.

[hexed stream]

I didn't play poison in poe1 outside poison srs so I just don't know too much about this

[gilded elm]

The "effect" is what's really confusing me.

[hexed stream]

this is poe1 low tolerance

[gilded elm]

Yeah, poison is super simple in PoE1 lol

[hexed stream]

if so, I'll just assume effect = magnitude in this case

[gilded elm]

How is it that the only comprehensive description of Low Tolerance in PoE2 is from a RMT site

[hexed stream]

well it's just increased, not more, hmm maybe I don't even need to spec into this, to save points

[gilded elm]

Yeah so this seems to basically rely on shortening your poison duration so that you're always applying fresh poison stacks to non-poisoned enemies

I would just assume effect is damage unless otherwise stated, yeah.

And actually, effect might even be stronger than magnitude.

It sounds like effect scales the whole poison damage, while magnitude scales how much of the original hit the poison damage is calculated from

[hexed stream]

I rather choose multiple poison stacks over this

[gilded elm]

But the "catch" with Low Tolerance is that you need to be able to continuously apply it for it to be good, which means shortening the poison duration to ensure each time you apply it, the enemy is non-poisoned.

[fierce moth]

hhhh not super hard, well

Tried 5 times

Just... out of mana at the end so only can depend on mana regen

[tawny sand]

there's a roll you can get that automatically generates charges on flasks, i think it's pretty rare though

i've only seen it a few tiems

[hexed stream]

does this work with poison damage?

[modest spoke]

How did you beat this boss? I’m stuck on him

[gilded elm]

It should work for anything that hits, yes.

But for Decompose, it sounds like the "hit" is built-in and based on the corpse's maximum life.

So not sure in that case.

But also anything that hits needs a Chance to Poison for it to actually poison as well.

[fierce moth]

🤣 You will find him easier to kill after you have died over 500 times in this game. I'm not gifted at all

Always evade and move is the key

[desert jasper]

Can't wait to wear this

Just 11 more levels

[modest spoke]

This Poe 1 or 2?

[desert jasper]

Poe2

[gilded elm]

smh I still have Glaciation on my Spark even after I upgraded my staff and I no longer have Extra Cold Damage lol

[hexed stream]

this one is per second or throughout the duration?

I assume per second right?

[gilded elm]

Whatever your posion duration is. This is only used to calculate the poison damage using 30-39.5% of the corpse's maximum as the damage of the "hit"

Just imagine that this skill "hits" the enemy for 39.5% of the Corpse's Maximum Life (except it doesn't actually hit or register that damage)

[hexed stream]

then 20% of that is the base of the poison

[gilded elm]

Correct

It's weird, but makes more sense when you consider that all damaging ailments are based on "hits"

[hexed stream]

if the x% damage as extra chaos damage works with this, that'll be huge

literally a direct multiplier

[gilded elm]

The problem is that the Extra Damage will only apply to hits as far as I'm aware

And in those cases, it's basically a "more" multiplier yes

That's why IMO this was so poggies for me

Decompose doesn't actually register a "hit" though so I don't think the Extra Damage is factored in.

But yeah if it did, then that's huge for you

Worth a test

Perfect, this is exactly what I wanted to see. Was trying out Maxroll's planner... wanted this info so I could see it without having to maintain my own spreadsheet lmao

[fierce moth]

Why I don't find trial of chaos in act 2 with the sec character?

[gilded elm]

Trial of Chaos is in Act 3. Trial of Sekhema is Act 2.

[fierce moth]

Oh yeah trial of sekhema

[gilded elm]

You access Trial of Sekhema from the Traitor's Passage, where you fight Balbala, I think.

[hexed stream]

am I wrong for trying to plan a walking simulator build

😅

[tawny sand]

that's correct, it's an optional boss in traitor's passage. She gives you a green djinn barya that you use the first time

[gilded elm]

https://maxroll.gg/poe2/getting-started/trials-of-ascendancy

[tawny sand]

on cruel she gives you a normal djinn barya that may or may not give you more points, i don't think it does usually though. It was only 2 trials when i got one on cruel which doesn't

at least i think so idk

[gilded elm]

You get 3 trials on the coin starting at ilvl 60 coins I think

[tawny sand]

tbh the ascendancies are pretty confusing

[gilded elm]

I agree, trials in PoE2 are super confusing.

The idea is that you are supposed to be able to choose which trial you prefer to do for your 3rd and 4th set of ascendencies, but we're also still missing one trial (I believe it's a Karui trial?)

[tawny sand]

yeah idk

also tbh you should be able to choose from the get go imo

as soon as you unlock the first trial, you shoul be able to choose

[gilded elm]

True, the main problem is that the trials are introduced as part of the acts

[tawny sand]

afaik you can choose to do sekhemas again instead of chaos, but i didn't see any keys drop for me until way later

[hexed stream]

I guess the trial system won't be complete until full game

[fierce moth]

👌 I need to find and kill that boss to unlock the first trial

[gilded elm]

We'll get the next trial type at some point, but yeah the same problems will be there unless they do some major changes.

At least they're going to be toning down the trial difficulty a bit with the upcoming major patch.

I feel the 3rd trial (haven't done 4th yet) is just way overtuned just to get your 3rd set of points.

[tawny sand]

only sekhemas afaik, they're not touching chaos yet i think

[gilded elm]

To be fair, Sekhema is better than Chaos IMO. Because at least in Sekhema, you can grind and unlock relic slots which drastically improve your odds of success, and those relic slots will carry over to any new characters you make.

[desert jasper]

Finished the campaign and ran 1 map
It felt easier than the end of campaign tbh

[gilded elm]

Ultimatum (Trial of Chaos) is just too much RNG

[tawny sand]

they're making it so resistance loss doesn't happen on later tiers speaking of maps btw

[desert jasper]

But not gonna play more today
don't feel like it really

[tawny sand]

it's just going to be the same through out

[gilded elm]

I failed my first map tbh lol

[desert jasper]

should've checked /played tbh

[tawny sand]

yeah i'm worried when i get to maps i'll be blown up by chaos mobs, apparently it's pretty important by then. Though they're lowering chaos mobs in maps in the patch

i hardly find chaos gear

[desert jasper]

I think i only have 10% chaos res

[gilded elm]

Yeah heard the same, that chaos res starts to get far more important through out higher tier maps

[desert jasper]

And around 30% on the elements

[gilded elm]

catalysts but no stash tab lol

Probably because they aren't from Ultimatum anymore

How do you refresh Doryani's shop?

[desert jasper]

If it doesn't refresh every level then no idea

[gilded elm]

I'll check when I next level... but maybe it refreshes after each set of map tier completions..

[desert jasper]

That wouldn't surprise me tbh

[gilded elm]

Strongboxes are definitely worse in PoE2 than PoE1 IMO

[hexed stream]

when you hit a poisoned enemy, and say that 2nd hit deals less damage, does it reset duration of first poison, or replace with a new, weaker poison?

[gilded elm]

Unrewarding, time consuming.

[gilded elm]

I vaguely recall that it keeps the higher damage one, not speaking with any confidence on this though.

I'm a big AI fan. I love generative AI. I work in a company that sells and rents H100's, A100's etc. But IMO, I think Google is being extremely irresponsible and reckless with this kind of thing.

[desert jasper]

Yeaa I wouldn't trust AI when it comes to PoE stuff

[gilded elm]

Yeah, at least not PoE 2 stuff. It's really dumb that Google's AI is looking at PoE1 stuff and applying it to PoE2 casually like "In Path of Exile 2, <insert a whole bunch of stuff that isn't even true>"

[desert jasper]

Yeaa

that too

[gilded elm]

It's one thing if I go out and look for AI advice, but Google showing it to me by default?

Naaah

[hexed stream]

I try to figure out what shape is this

[desert jasper]

Hmm it doesn't show AI stuff to me at all

[gilded elm]

Could be a US thing

I imagine EU has better regulations regarding this kind of thing.

[desert jasper]

Yeah
think there's some regulations on it

[gilded elm]

lol

There's so much Kiss-Curse design philosophy in PoE2 lol

[tawny sand]

what's kiss-curse

[gilded elm]

Kiss-Curse is a game design philosophy that something which offers an upside should also have a downside.

[tawny sand]

oh gotcha

[gilded elm]

Simple example. Although the upcoming major patch is actually getting rid of the downside of exposure support gems which is nice.

The downside is the fact that the support gem is occupying a slot. That should be more than enough downside IMO.

But you basically see this philosophy being aggressively applied to almost every part of the game.

[wind jolt]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/6SMUcVNU1b8

[tawny sand]

it's choice tho!

or something

[gilded elm]

Yeah, just seems unnecessarily aggressive lol

That said, I'm still a fan of certain "curses" for example not being able to use the same support gem across different skills at the same time. This is a good thing IMO (although it suffers atm because there's a lack of gems added to the game)

[tawny sand]

i'm assuming the talent tree will get a balance pass idk

[gilded elm]

The passive tree will under go major changes throughout EA, no doubt about it.

Any class addition alone will bring some major changes to the tree.

Sorc is probably gonna get a lot cooler once Druid is added, as we can path towards some cool Druid nodes I bet.

[tawny sand]

they're already adding more nodes in the next patch

lighting stuff between the ranger/monk side it hink

lightning*

[gilded elm]

Shapeshifting as a sorc sounds kinda fun lol

Or a shapeshifting templar

But yeah there's tons of finished passive tree wheels that were simply removed from the early access release because Druid and Huntress were delayed, for example.

[tawny sand]

yah

[gilded elm]

I expect the passive tree is one of the major things will be undergo frequent change.

[fierce moth]

I suppose I can stack my death times up to 100 here. The most disgusting boss

Holy sucks stop to smash me by your huge pillar, can we????

[gilded elm]

Silverfist is both annoying but easy. He can easily one shot most builds, but he's easy if you just dodge near him.

He doesn't have many movesets to remember.

[tawny sand]

and then he rolls into you lol

that roll is nasty

but yeah i just stand near him and dodge around

[gilded elm]

Yeah... I think the roll is maybe doing way too much damage.

Fortunately it doesn't seem that common of a move

[fierce moth]

that's the reason cause my death the most

And I must take damage from him when i near him because he will swipe the silly pillar too

[gilded elm]

Only if he rolls

Otherwise, being near him is the easiest way to avoid damage most of the time.

He cannot hit you with the pillar if you are behind or at his side.

And you can always dodge out of the way

The only thing he can hit you with 100% when you are near him is whenever he rolls.

[tawny sand]

i think valley of titans is my most hated zone

i hate the mob behaviors there

also whoever made the burrowing mobs are my enemy for life

especially when they're rare

it's so annoying

[modest spoke]

Dreadnought also sucks

[gilded elm]

They were annoying in PoE1 and they're annoying PoE2 as well lol

But the good news is they are getting somewhat weaked in the major patch I think? Also one of the things I'm looking forward to is them disabling Volatile Crystals temporarily for now.

They should do that for PoE1 as well lol

[hot crown]

Grim Dawn's patch 1.2.1.3 is out.

[gilded elm]

[fierce moth]

Don't forget random enemies near this area will come to you too

[gilded elm]

They're usually not a big problem, but if they are, you can kill them first before you start the fight with Silverfist btw

[fierce moth]

I'm been rush this side and that side consistently 🙃

[gilded elm]

For anyone interested in the GD patch notes: https://forums.crateentertainment.com/t/grim-dawn-version-v1-2-1-3/142410

@hot crown This isn't FoA, right?

Still, looks like a beefy update.

[narrow token]

Grim Dawn 2 when? I'd like to play it, but I wants the shiny good good.

Unga bunga

[gilded elm]

Who knows, I was hoping Fangs of Asterkarn would come with some nice texture updates. Though not expecting it.

[narrow token]

Textures, shaders, lighting. WTB the good good.

[gilded elm]

Massive UI overhaul as well

Much needed

Shaders and Lighting is at least mostly solveable with ReShade by modders, but textures are impossible except by AI upscaling.

On the upside, I often play GD from my Steam Deck where a lot of these are less of a concern because there's just less resolution for it to make as big of a difference.

[hot crown]

Not yet.

[fierce moth]

https://www.reddit.com/r/PathOfExile2/comments/1hggjae/when_the_boss_learn_to_roll_too_you_just_keep/

🤷‍♀️ My experience

[gilded elm]

At a glance, I would say that your biggest problem is that your damage is too low. Which means there's more opportunities for you to die.

[fierce moth]

To be honest, zero hint for when this stupid silverfist roll

Indeed, but I can't go on the game if I don't kill him now

[gilded elm]

I don't know if it's true, but I feel like he starts to roll when his HP is lower

[gilded elm]

Well that's not always true. The game is design for you to be able to farm previous areas over and over.

Also I don't think I saw you cast Orb of Storms even once?

As a lightning sorc, one of the main things I try to make sure is that my Orb of Storms is active

It basically doubles your Spark damage if you are casting within the orb's area

[maiden widget]

interesting, i quickly abandoned OOS and just kept flamewall, i just didnt really notice OOS actually doing something

[gilded elm]

OOS only has value if you are actually procing it with your casts

But when you do, it's huge value

[fierce moth]

I even don't have time to cast this spell

[gilded elm]

The "and when you use a lightning skill near the orb" is the important part.

You only need to cast it every few seconds.

[fierce moth]

I always bring away from the direction I want to go by his pillar

Enough! Enough.

[tawny sand]

are you doing sorc again?

[stone arch]

what boss?

[gilded elm]

Silverfist is also technically not required for campaign progression I think

Just for the +2 passive points.

[stone arch]

silverfist killed you so many times? damn

to be fair, while some bosses were super easy for me, some just straight up gave me really ahrd time, though for sorc it was viper while for warrior oddly it was sun temple boss.

[gilded elm]

Silverfist is actually one of the spookier bosses. But mostly for hardcore players lol

[stone arch]

i think im going to just casually enjoy game, hit the maps and wait until it gets more updates. Oh yeah, he can 1 shot you easily.

[fierce moth]

Yeah and used a chaos orb to brick my staff successfully :( Lose the +3 all levels of skills... Damn

Have a +2 level of lightning skills wand in the stash fortunately, but my good day is over

GGG just don't want players make mistakes. The punishment is overwhelming when you make a mistake in poe 2.

[gilded elm]

GGG is trying to create a more challenging experience with PoE2, that's why Jonathan compared it to Elden Ring. In Elden Ring, you can always kill bosses with good player skill, but also if you struggle, you can go back into the world and grind more levels or farm better gear so you can overlevel or overgear a boss fight that way. This is an intended design.

I think a lot of players struggle with the idea that the game expects you to go back to a previous area and grind if you need to.

It's a very "traditional RPG" mindset.

[fierce moth]

The question is jungle ruin is the first area in act 3, the silverfist just as disgusting as pathbreaker... Block you seriously in the beginning of a new chapter

[junior oyster]

Skill alone isn't enough to kill white mobs in this game though. White mobs are more dangerous than bosses although I'm aware they are tuning down non-boss content

[junior oyster]

Want me to help you?

[gilded elm]

Yeah of course gear does matter a lot more in PoE2 than Elden Ring.

So some grinding might be mandatory.

[fierce moth]

Yeah, but tomorrow.
I need time to calm myself down

[junior oyster]

I really wish the items would refresh every hour or so rather than every level

[hot crown]

...I'll just wait for No Rest for the Wicked.

[junior oyster]

Isn't that already out?

[hot crown]

In EA phase.

[gilded elm]

EA

[junior oyster]

I see

[hot crown]

Besides, my country of origin is banned by their publisher, so I can't get it.

[junior oyster]

I dislike the wasd movement choice so not for me

[hot crown]

Unless I overpay by employing 3rd parties, that is.

[hot crown]

From what I see, it was intended to be played with a controller.

[junior oyster]

I like wasd in stardew valley where game is relaxed. I don't want to do wasd in high action games

[junior oyster]

wasd/controller potatoh/potahto

[gilded elm]

Ben had some criticisms on the weaknesses of click-to-move. It says a lot about how powerful WASD and controller-based play is right now in PoE2 when the #1 PoE player says click-to-move has major disadvantages.

And I tend to agree... I think playing click-to-move in PoE2 right now is just too big of a disadvantage.

[junior oyster]

I'll still stick to click to move. Idk just can't like the idea of wasd/controller otherwise I'd be happily playing it on my steamdeck

[gilded elm]

Definitely a good time on the Steam Deck if you can get used to it. Although WASD is superior to controller because of targeting.

[hot crown]

I mean, NRFTW is basically an isometric soulslike.

Can't see why it can't be played with a controller.

[gilded elm]

Doryani shop refresh is not tied to map tier set completion FYI, so probably every level like you said.

[tawny sand]

ha i'm so squishy, only 1000 hp in act 3, and but my dps is so high it's like "who dies first"

act 3 cruel i mean

[mental talon]

I migrated from Click to Move for POE 2 (as literally every other game I play I use WASD) and God have I missed it so much. Playing WASD I mean, game feels so much easier with WASD in my personal opinion.

[gilded elm]

Absolutely, and I think it's quantifiably superior to both click-to-move and controller. There's some really obvious things you could point out that clearly give you an advantage over the other approaches.

[tawny sand]

they should make the rare health bar stay on screen when you encounter one

instead of it disappearing when you mouse over white mobs and stuff

[torn dust]

does anyone know the nitty gritty of "28% to gain a (flask) charge when you kill an enemy"? Is this a buff or a nerf to charge generation?

what is the normal charge generation? and is this 28% increased chance? or is this lowering the chance?

[gilded elm]

Should be a chance to gain an additional charge.

You already gain charges when killing a monster, with charge amount being based on the "Power" of the monster.

[torn dust]

ok, so this seems terrible compared to "% increased charges gained" or "% reduced charges per use" then right?

[gilded elm]

Good and bad. Good for white mobs because they have only 1 Power, so an additional charge is more meaningful

[torn dust]

i see

in some testing, sometimes i get 1/2 charge per small mob

[torn dust]

maybe that's because of my level diff

where is that from?

[gilded elm]

Tooltip for Flasks when you hover over the word Flask

[fierce moth]

This is a game which more fun to play

[torn dust]

I can't move my mouse onto the flask tooltip

it just disappearrs even when im h0olding alt

[gilded elm]

Click it

While holding alt

[torn dust]

I can't when I move my mosue up the tooltip disappears, even when holding alt

weird, it works like 2% of the time

[gilded elm]

Ensure your game client is focused first. Then hover over your flask. Then hold Alt. Then click it

[torn dust]

dude

i am not dumb

[gilded elm]

It disappears when your game client isn't focused, so just mentioning.

[torn dust]

i use the alt thing all the time on all kinds of items.. somet hing is wonky

i am focused

that is a weird bug.... sometimes the panel stays and sometimes it doesn't for flasks...

[gilded elm]

Yeah dunno. Only thing I can think of is the focus thing. I can use alt and it works when my game isn't focused (for example when my Discord window is focused, I can still hover over the game and press alt to see info) but the tooltip will disappear if I move my mouse away.

[torn dust]

yeah, it works for me 100% on other tooltips, but the flask tooltip only works 2% of the time

[junior oyster]

Just tried wasd. As I thought I hate it. I'd much rather stick to point and click

[gilded elm]

Yeah Ben still plays click-to-move as well despite acknowledging its inferiority, it's just hard to get used to for some.

[junior oyster]

I mean I love it in other games just not in arpgs

Like I love wasd in Terraria. How would you even play without wasd in terraria lool

[gilded elm]

I think it's just the isometric perspective that throws people off.

[junior oyster]

Controller sucks

[gilded elm]

Not quite top-down, not quite side view.

Something in between

[torn dust]

the thing that is dfferent is that it's not orthographic projection

it's perspective projection

original diablo-2 is literally pixel-art, not even 3d, so a wall looks the same no matter where it is on the screen.. no perspective

[gilded elm]

Yeah it's a lot easier when it's either fully top down or fully side view.

[torn dust]

the first 3d isometric ARPGS were orthographic 3d, which is basically the same projection as the original pixel art diablo 2

so a wall looks the same no matter where it is on the screen

POE2 is perspective projection, because they have some "taller" things that look really cool in perspective

[gilded elm]

GD added camera rotation but I never use it

[tawny sand]

me neither, unless i'm looking for breakable walls

[torn dust]

rotation in GD is awward, i used it a little..... VRising has rotation that is a bit more essential because of the fight design

[junior oyster]

I use gd rotation only for secrets lol

Make it easier to locate secrets otherwise it's useless

[gilded elm]

Yah cuz you have to haha, some stuff can only be found by rotating camera hehe

[torn dust]

I honestly would use rotation in POE2 all the time if it had it... just so i didn't have to engage monst4ers to the bottom where i have less view

[junior oyster]

I wouldn't mind poe having rotation since views can be obstructed sometimes...

[tawny sand]

a nice feature in Martyr was being able to move the location of the camera, like you could move your character up a bit out of the center of the screen

[gilded elm]

Usually some form of masking is used to compensate for obstructions, but I think PoE 2 lacks a lot of this where PoE 1 doesn't

[tawny sand]

there's a lot of trees and stuff that hide your character in 2 yeah

or like tops of walls

[gilded elm]

Yup

[tawny sand]

i notice it the most near the end of act 3 or the jungle

[torn dust]

omg, there are places where the wall hide monsters that you have not hit, and they are nuking you without you knowing where they are

especially casters that spawn aoe on the ground

because there is no projectile

[gilded elm]

Even just this, it's missing the basic polish you'd expect. My character obviously should not be hidden to me here.

[junior oyster]

Towers in mapping where you can't see the mobs :)

[gilded elm]

What if there are ground effects?

[tawny sand]

how do you have a health bar over your character? i couldn't find that option

oh now i found it

weird, i swear it wasn't there before

[torn dust]

it was

there are alot of options, easy to not find something

[ebon meadow]

It was always there even in Poe1 xdd

And the camera rotation is not really good since vilenta arena

The rotation made u bump in to walls and u would waste time going up the stairs in that arena that's why they turned it of as auto in setting

Think of it like the camera shake option

It's just annoying to see and work around

[torn dust]

wait, can you turn on camera rotation?

[ebon meadow]

Yes it's in settings

[torn dust]

where?

[ebon meadow]

Umm I think it's under gameplay now

Where the filter is