📚┃off-topic

[ebon meadow]

No other ailiments have those numbers as ligh damage because it needs to be balanced around the rest

[fierce moth]

What about nodes relevant to lightning skills?
Increase lightning damage[7] + lightning resistance penetration[11] + shock chance[6] + increase cast speed with lightning skills [5] + more chance to additional chain on lightning skills [3], 34 nodes.
the improvement of lightning part is less than cold part a lot...Especially.

[gilded elm]

Shock Magnitude increases the shock damage bonus and passive tree "% increased" damage bonuses are additive and are not always the biggest sources of damage multipliers in a build.

[ebon meadow]

Yea think of it more like utility then damage

I am a dot person so fire ,poison chaos bleed is my ting

[fierce moth]

Then I'm confused which step I did wrong.

1. Which skill combo and which support gems should I use?
2. Should io give up fire damage and why?
3. How to spec my passive path?
4. How to balance offense and defense for stormweaver?

[ebon meadow]

I always throw shock on those so it increases my main damage

[ebon meadow]

I would need to watch a video of the build and u should not change from fire, dots are busted mechanically in every single game out there

[fierce moth]

I'm interested in why opinions for lightning stormweaver from both of us is different completely 🤔

[gilded elm]

I mean a super basic skill combo like Flame Wall + Spark + Orb of Storms is pretty strong too.

[fierce moth]

Flame wall for ignite ailment, spark for damage output and shock ailment, orb of storm for mana support?

[gilded elm]

No, Flame Wall for added fire damage to your Spark projectiles.

[hexed stream]

Lightning stormweaver archmage still in top 10 leaderboard and deleting top contents, just saying

[ebon meadow]

Yep

[fierce moth]

Then should I bonus fire damage in passive tree or not?

[gilded elm]

Cast Orb of Storm -> Stand near Orb -> Cast Flame Wall -> Shoot Spark through Flame Wall near Orb (this triggers additional lightning attacks from Orb)

[gilded elm]

I don't. I think I have some elemental stuff, but nothing fire-specific (not anymore)

[ebon meadow]

Is there like a Poe ninja leaderboard where I can take a peak on the build

[hexed stream]

Idk where yet, but all the streamers talk about a leaderboard showing top 1000 players and their builds

[ebon meadow]

I just need to see the set up I m pretty sure they are not pure lightning

[gilded elm]

Yeah I don't even use Archmage yet but I bet there are some crazy lightning stormweaver builds right now. My build probably sucks, but it's still strong.

[ebon meadow]

Rather it's proj scaling or some sort of dot or literal hit damage

[hexed stream]

Streamers and us will always be playing different games lol

[fierce moth]

Any nodes I have spec is wrong?

[ebon meadow]

That I agree on lol

Bit there's a logical explanation even if it's one streamer it's a team of brains cooking

It's never just one person it's all the feedback that person gets

[hexed stream]

Another 24h not playing the game. Let the tranquility cook me.

[ebon meadow]

It's so weird to me th see Poe 2 trees everything looks like pathing and not grabbing major nodes

It has a feel of wasted point to me for some reason

[hexed stream]

I asked a streamer yesterday, and found the answer

[ebon meadow]

Like my tree is same and I don't like it

[gilded elm]

My tree is probably dependent on gear but this is it... like I went heavily into energy shield but you need gear that has good base energy shield. If you are struggling with staying alive, probably take some "Damage Recouped as Life" nodes.

[ebon meadow]

We need more skill points

[ebon meadow]

That's the point ,I just don't see major nodes to grab for u build on the pathing

Everything feels so random

We need gateways to hop to all side of tree

[hexed stream]

You won't want to know the answer to that

Found out yesterday after asking a streamer

Spoiler: around 10-15 passive clusters are missing from the top half of the tree

[ebon meadow]

I am very neutral to things and can always adapt ,it's just a feel to maybe I missing something that I don't know

[hexed stream]

Intentionally removed before the game launched

[ebon meadow]

I see some people complaining about melé (witch was never good in many ways ) and I see others saying it's broken good

[hexed stream]

That's why top half looks more empty than bottom half

[gilded elm]

They undoubtedly had to cut some stuff out to make the tree work with the classes being released.

Which probably meant removing a lot of stuff that was deemed less useful to those classes.

[ebon meadow]

I need to watch some Empy stuff that's my juice lol

Ohh yea there's not all clases so they had to cut the tree

I guess it was just done a bit wrong and limiting available characters

[gilded elm]

They likely added an unnecessary travel burden

[hexed stream]

And you know where has the highest passive node density? 4 and 8 o'clock
Not coincidentally, deadeye of ranger and titan of warrior are the stronger builds right now

Both have easy access to very powerful notable and keystones

But ranger is being nerfed soon so...

[gilded elm]

The top half is definitely going to get more interesting once Druid, Templar and Shadow are added.

[tawny sand]

ranger is being nerfed? I just rolled one 😭

[ebon meadow]

For me every single corner of tree should have this nodes so 4,8,10 and one o'clock should have a similar damage and utility cap nodes

[hexed stream]

What do you expect? It's the only class right now that's good at everything: single target, aoe, defense, movement speed

[ebon meadow]

That or just give us gateways so we can hop to every corner

[tawny sand]

oh so they haven't officially confirmed it?

[hexed stream]

No, but every single streamer expects this class to be nerfed, specifically the keystone acrobatics

The rest may stay though

[ebon meadow]

They probably have if it's as Mini stated creating an issue of having all around build that is good for everything

[hexed stream]

Ranger right now is even more broken than cast on freeze cold sorc at its finest

[ebon meadow]

If the other clases can't exel specifically than that's becomes a problem

[gilded elm]

You can get a general sense of what GGG's expectations are when it comes to class performance, just by looking at what has and hasn't been nerfed so far.

[hexed stream]

And in a game where just a 20ms boots makes you feel good to play, imagine 100ms

[ebon meadow]

We always have meta it's a thing but in Poe meta changes every season that why we cope with it

Can't just leave one character and class completely broken for years

Not looking at ed contagion and RF lmao

[hexed stream]

Poe1 or 2?

[ebon meadow]

Poe 1

[hexed stream]

Poe2 ed contagion is kinda shit, just for leveling

[gilded elm]

GGG is closely monitoring outliers and making sure to nerf them ASAP before people get cushy and it becomes meta.

[ebon meadow]

Yea I feel that to and it's a good thing imo

[hexed stream]

Idk if my current build is an outlier, it currently has base damage of 4000

When most skills are at 200

[ebon meadow]

They are actually needing and balancing stuff as we go this week from launch

[hexed stream]

Hope they don't find out about my build hehe, let me cook for a little bit longer

[ebon meadow]

Better to do that than give players a feel to get comfortable with something that might get nerfed

[ebon meadow]

Stop talking to streamers and u good when u start echoing and people test stuff like Ur build and eventually make it even better ,we get a NERF hammer

[hexed stream]

I don't talk about my build to them though, only ask about game mechanics

[ebon meadow]

And all of this are just ideas and assumptions lol no one should take it seriously

[hexed stream]

But I know full well it will be nerfed

Just not as bad as meta gem nerf

[ebon meadow]

It's same as the bell on monk

That thing will eventually get nerfed to ground

[fierce moth]

😵 I wish GGG can give me a button to full respec

[ebon meadow]

The utility and the damage from it is just unfair to other character

[hexed stream]

There is actually, it's called create new character

[ebon meadow]

Yep

[fierce moth]

Can we cost zero gold to respec

[ebon meadow]

The cost is only Ur own time

[gilded elm]

Man... creating a new character in PoE2 just to respec sounds like a lot more work, contrary to how it is in PoE1 where you're generally okay with it lol

[fierce moth]

create new character means you must level up from zero

[ebon meadow]

U want to completely reapec cheaper =spend time to level a new character

[gilded elm]

Honestly I would just farm the gold in PoE2, it's easy any way

[ebon meadow]

I think so to

[hexed stream]

But have to be fair here, I dislike the poe2 approach to respec cost. LE does it better

[gilded elm]

Gold is easy, just go somewhere and kill stuff for a bit.

[ebon meadow]

It was a loooot harder when we don't have gold respec and orbs were rarer

Like around 4 years ago I think

Farm exalts buy regrets and respec

[fierce moth]

How much gold I need for respecing

[ebon meadow]

That choice was making u Split between do I want to get regrets or is it easier to just make another char

[ebon meadow]

Why 1730 ?

[hexed stream]

You don't need to fully refund every passive

[ebon meadow]

Do it scales with level ??

[fierce moth]

1730 golds per point

[ebon meadow]

What ????

Yesus my respec cost me 300+ only

[hexed stream]

What? Me is 5k per point now

[ebon meadow]

360 I think

[tawny sand]

it goes up the more you respec

[ebon meadow]

Ohh shit it does scale with level

[tawny sand]

oh yeah scales too

[gilded elm]

It's a scaling cost just like with Faustus

[hexed stream]

It does. That's why I say I prefer LE approach. Doesn't scale with level but with something better

[fierce moth]

yeah this amount not enough for full respec, parts of them only. My question is exist in both of offense and defence...

What a chaos poe 2 week I spent is

[hexed stream]

Maybe you can check maxroll for stormweaver guide, and learn very carefully why some passive points are selected

[gilded elm]

There probably are Lightning Stormweaver build guides by now

[hexed stream]

A few days ago actually, maxroll is good and fast

[tawny sand]

maxroll only has a cold snap stormweaver build

[hexed stream]

No lightning?

That's sad. Then maybe check mobalytics

[gilded elm]

Surprised nobody has done a "The New Flickerstrike aka Lightning Warp" guide lol

[hexed stream]

Ah the build that looks closest to spiritborn

[fierce moth]

Go! It's your chance!

[ebon meadow]

I m just thinking that we have the same issue here with respec as Poe 1 u can actually brick Ur char tree

[hexed stream]

Yes and no

[gilded elm]

You really can't, because you can always just go back and farm gold for respec in a lower level area, maybe it takes a bit of time, but not much. Your gear alone can carry you quite far.

[fierce moth]

😢 But at least... I unlocked all maps in act 1-3 so no trouble on traveling around to view landscapes

[ebon meadow]

Yea and before the issue was farming the currency to respect now it's gold so basicly fuling in time to do so

[fierce moth]

My build only can do this thing now

[ebon meadow]

When u are not happy with the build and u want to respect it u don't really want to put that time in

[hexed stream]

The difference is that in poe2 you mostly brick your high level builds with too much gold cost to respec. For leveling, poe2 is ways friendlier than poe1

[ebon meadow]

It's bad thing because solutions are rather buy currency witch is against the TOS or make it pay2win and let us purchase the reapec

[gilded elm]

I agree, but GGG is not budging on respecs so I just pretend it's an immutable thing that will always exist lol

[fierce moth]

😂 😂 😂
I can say I made all mistakes i can make on a lightning stormweaver

[ebon meadow]

It should be easier than this

[hexed stream]

They said it would be easier when low level, than poe1

[ebon meadow]

Yea I m just happy that they are against pay to respect with real money

[gilded elm]

I feel like at my current level I have the most access to respecs (in terms of gold per respec)

Which is like 64 or something

No wait, 67

[hexed stream]

If they claim to be true successor of d2, token of respec should be introduced

[gilded elm]

True, one after each difficulty I think?

[ebon meadow]

And it is my reapec cost me around 300 gold now at level 24

[gilded elm]

But also... that was a Resurrected feature, no?

[ebon meadow]

I m just thinking how punishing it is as u get to end game or even just further

[hexed stream]

Yeah, or after 1.0, once per 3 acts

[gilded elm]

Still, not a bad idea.

[hexed stream]

No, LoD feature

[ebon meadow]

Xd

[hexed stream]

But I do support the idea that at endgame respec should be costly

[ebon meadow]

It's not a bad thing TBF ,but people players don't like hit the wall on their char

[fierce moth]

@tawny sand do new character can share stash with old character if you don't use self-found?

[ebon meadow]

Like I have a mentality of having no issues to reroll but a lot of people can disagree on that and that is understandable

[hexed stream]

Wait till they find out that at the age of 30 people need a respec irl

[tawny sand]

they should add two new currencies imo, full respec token and something to remove runes with

[tawny sand]

stash is shared as long as you're not ssf, yeah

and standard and hardcore are seperate too

[ebon meadow]

Same league Share stashes and items on them even ssf

[hexed stream]

Add alt and scouring lol

[fierce moth]

🙏
Play a new stormweaver with old gears is a to-do thing

[hexed stream]

Just a reminder, poe2db list of unique is not complete

I doubt not even half of it are found

Especially all the t1 and t0 unique

Like svalinn was just found out today

[ebon meadow]

Just make another char lol u keep the gold u keep the items u have in Ur stash it's going to feel a lot better

That's what I think anyway

[hexed stream]

Ziz says he can now play thru all 6 acts in 10h

[ebon meadow]

Poe is like a slot machine u learn from mistakes and thing go better

[ebon meadow]

Ohh god if he says that than for us is double or triple time

[hexed stream]

I mean, we were unfamiliar with the game

[ebon meadow]

Yep

[fierce moth]

sorry, quad time even

[gilded elm]

10h is still about twice as long as PoE1 speed runs

[ebon meadow]

He used to be a good racer and he still is

[hexed stream]

He said 10h fresh, no twink items

[gilded elm]

Yeah league start 10h isn't that bad

[ebon meadow]

I wonder if tyty realsed any content btw I need to go peak on my osrs chat

[hexed stream]

But poe2 maps are so darn big

[gilded elm]

No reliable movespeed either as far as I know

[hexed stream]

Except ranger

100ms easy

[ebon meadow]

I know Ben did but I need another fast boi to learn from

Also I haven't peaked on Dan at all for Poe 2

This mf will be cooking stupid things that is beyond out comprehension

Dan is god Dan is father for us all literally no better Poe player out there

He makes the meta

[hexed stream]

I followed Ruetoo yesterday, the guy is so darn funny
@fierce moth he's chinese

Then today I also watched another guy playing blood mage, and see him cook the game with cast on freeze after nerf

Like, how the hell

[gilded elm]

I don't know how anyone is still cookin with trigger gems after nerf, my Cast on Shock energy accumulation got absolutely demolished lol

[hexed stream]

Coc not too bad though, not too affected by the nerf

Maybe I should coc my curse instead of using it manually

Or the offering

[desert jasper]

Oh yea
with the new weapon i 4hit the act1 boss on cruel
was funny

[hexed stream]

Darn, 4 hit, bro, what build are you cooking

[desert jasper]

Warrior
Was using slams for first who knows how long but it was kinda awkward
So now I use perfect strike for single target and sunder for clear

[hexed stream]

Ah yeah, perfect strike is pretty broken right now I heard

[desert jasper]

ah... hope it's not next on the chopping block
It's already kinda awkward

[hexed stream]

Ggg is watching

[desert jasper]

Tbh i hate how the actually high dmg warrior abilities are all charged.
So against some enemies you just stand there and let them do a multi proj hit on you or run away

Like the doedre wannabes in act3

[hexed stream]

Charged? As it the skills gain charge or need some kind of charge to consume?

[desert jasper]

You need to hold down the button on perfect strike to charge it and if you release it at right time it does way more dmg + aoe

And Sunder has like... 1.8sec attack time
super slam also has 3 stages to it that you can charge

they also already nerfed super slam dmg by 60%

[hexed stream]

Ah, stay true to the name perfect strike huh

[desert jasper]

Then there's volcanic fissure but that's awkward to use because the fissure doesn't blow up unless you use a different slam

Yeah. you can also throw in a support gem to give it like 40% more dmg but smaller window for perfect release

[fierce moth]

Why this catalyst cost me 30 spirit when i equip it?

[ebon meadow]

it shouldnt ? what is ur old catalist ?

[hexed stream]

Omegalul

[gilded elm]

Congrats, you played yourself

[fierce moth]

Forget a thing before I start leveling up a new character...

Over 500 times! Call me fall down to sleep girl thanks

Left a lot of memory with this character indeed... But have to say good bye 🙏

Died 7 times per hour hhhhhhhhh

[hexed stream]

Shit, boi, I just realize, the whole blood mage class may need this compulsory item, as an ascendancy

Ok, 4ex, not too bad

[junior oyster]

If you need help with anything and I'm on let me know

I'm not great but I might be able to help you

[ebon meadow]

"back to the beach" best part of the game

[desert jasper]

which item?

[hexed stream]

Vertex

[desert jasper]

I see

[hexed stream]

You see, blood mage heavily scales with max life, but most of its spells at max level will require 205 int, meaning you can barely spend points on str

Man, I think when I make alt it's gonna be blood mage again, really love this ascendancy

Either that or farm gold to fully respec lol, no need to play alt

[desert jasper]

I need my 3rd ascendancy tbh
need to get that small nodes 50% increased effect

Gonna be a bunch of str, stun build up and dmg

[hexed stream]

I need that too, will 3x if not 4x my dps

[desert jasper]

But it's a titan perk

ah wait nvm

[hexed stream]

I mean the 3rd ascendancy, turn out I don't need spell leech that much as a blood mage

My spell only costs 22 life, and my cast speed is low

[desert jasper]

For now

[hexed stream]

Not for now though, my planner doesn't spec into any cast speed, and it may be even slower with spell echo

Maybe with 2 more sockets, cost may go up to 40, but it's still a small cost

[desert jasper]

Anyway, time to go to sauna now

[hexed stream]

Sweet time, envy you, scandinavia?

[ebon meadow]

guess what aparently i need to switch my wole tree again to xdd

[hexed stream]

Holy mom that's painful

[ebon meadow]

peaking on scryas shater monk i like it but my current tree is literall oposite

[desert jasper]

Finland

[hexed stream]

Huge sauna culture there I heard

Even signing business contracts

[ebon meadow]

i can do with some swating and heavy breating to lol

i miss the sauna and the cold pool after

[hexed stream]

Ok, anyone has good experience with poe2 endgame already may I ask some questions?

[gilded elm]

lmao quin's stream

[desert jasper]

What happened this time around?

[torn dust]

did other folks find cruel easier/faster than the normal?

[tawny sand]

lmao, i just looked

[gilded elm]

haha

[hexed stream]

Yes

I deleted act 6 boss 10s

Act 3 boss took around 3min?

[torn dust]

ya, okay... so yes, you found cruel went faster like i am...

this surprises me.... i expected it to be similarly challenging or harder not easier

[fierce moth]

lol I find a optional boss I missed before

[torn dust]

i missed the very first frost boss in the zone after the first town.... didn't know it existed until i was in act 3

[ebon meadow]

see going back to start has it posive things

[gilded elm]

Well that turned out pretty good

[ebon meadow]

holly Guccis

aint fair pls delete

[torn dust]

whoa.. 30% MS>.. who did you bribe to get that?!

[gilded elm]

It's fair because I exalted it several times lol

Probably could've gotten something better on trade with 1ex

I think I just snagged the 30% MS base from a vendor

For a few thousand gold

[ebon meadow]

Also Kuro they sometimes bump up leveling content but the rest of mechanics get forgoten for scaling and just has the base ilvl of monsters xd

devs fault get ur suff together

so u get high level monsters droping good stuff but they aint scaled for dificulty

[torn dust]

yeah, maybe it's also because of the act 1-3 re-run thing... they probably tuned it quickly....

[ebon meadow]

not a programer but i think to

[hexed stream]

Trust me it's not, 1ex barely get you 20ms and double res

[ebon meadow]

those boots are not fkn ex lol

they can probably grasping mirror tier right now

i wish i could meme

[hexed stream]

From act 4 onwards, game slowly becomes poe1

This is where they should work hard to not make this game poe1 but with upgraded graphics

A lot of people already complained about mapping

[gilded elm]

Got this off vendor, going to try throwing a regal and some exalts at it and see where it goes... I really want Sigil of Power on a good staff.

[ebon meadow]

yo i need that for my build

lol actually looking for a cold staff now

[gilded elm]

I wanted the cold because freeze is really strong right now and even though I'm lightning build, I can still frequently freeze with the extra cold damage

[ebon meadow]

i m switching slowly but the shatering is kicking in this is the souce

[hexed stream]

Or call of brotherhood

[gilded elm]

Yeah if one drops, although I dunno about doing a full convert

[fierce moth]

what sigil of power do?

[gilded elm]

Big damage boost for casting within the circle

[junior oyster]

Hopefully I can increase all of this in maps

[tawny sand]

idk what i was doing wrong on lightning sorc, but i only have 5 deaths so far on lightning ranger so far and i'm about halfway through act 2 i think?

maybe just bad rng

[hexed stream]

ES is so broken right now, meanwhile max life builds are in deep shit

[fierce moth]

Extreme lucky after play a new character too

I never see a unique body armor before

I guess i can use that for a while

[tawny sand]

yo that's pretty pog

i guess if you're playing a mana hungry character though it kind of sucks, but if not that's a good leveling item for sure

[hexed stream]

1 of the best twink chests in game

Anyway, I'd like to present this

How da fk some people can get to such level

[junior oyster]

Is that yours?

[hexed stream]

Nope, found on reddit

Many random poe2 posts

[gilded elm]

Jackpot

Aug + Regal. No cold, but I can live with that.

That is some juicy extra damage

I mean, it's low tiers, but still, not bad

[fierce moth]

hhhhhhh even chaos orb is out. It's worth my time now

oh guys which bitter life my character used to live... that's very sweet now

[gilded elm]

What a drop lol

[hexed stream]

Lol, this shit is at least 20ex if not ways more

Maybe 40ex?

[gilded elm]

No way, the market can't be that starved for decent items

[fierce moth]

Still want to say "SUCKS" for the first boss in act 2, the rathbreaker

Evade random spears from cliff under the hunting from the boss is hard enough but GGG think we maybe suppose this is a easy combat....

[desert jasper]

oh i'm jealous of that helm

[tawny sand]

crowd control skills help with the hyenas a lot

[fierce moth]

@dusk valley I just want to ask why GGG suppose it's a enjoyable thing to experience such a tricky and tough combat in the beginning of act 2. It's not even a optional boss, **it must be slain. **

Why GGG think summon extra Hyena demons during I'm busy at evading the dash from rathbreaker and spike path is a good idea?

[fierce moth]

The question is it's just act 2. The crowd control skill for me still not unlock yet 🙃 I wish I have lightning wisping too

Not a big deal for slain these damn hyenas if it's cruel

[hexed stream]

Lure it down the hill

[fierce moth]

The boss will not follow you down

[hexed stream]

That's strange. I saw some reddit guide saying that

[gilded elm]

That boss returns back to his position if you move down the hill

[fierce moth]

yeah this is why the boss combat is super tough

[hexed stream]

Guess the only way is to perfect the dodge timing

[gilded elm]

Most likely because it has the special spear throwing or arrow shooting guys in the background that they want you to have to face

[fierce moth]

So I want to ask them why they think it's not hard enough and add extra hyenas to add more chaos

[gilded elm]

I think they just wanted boss fights to feel brutally hard.

[fierce moth]

Overwhelming hard

Don't forget this is just** the beginning of act 2**

[hexed stream]

Wait, act 2? Aren't you in act 5?

[junior oyster]

She made a new toon

[fierce moth]

Made too many mistakes on the old one

[hexed stream]

I wonder when will ggg solve map loading issue

[tawny sand]

hmm idk what i want to take for my ranger ascendancy, went deadeye

proably tailwind and projectile stuff

[hexed stream]

https://www.reddit.com/r/PathOfExile2/s/CLjtsTDUeS
@fierce moth you're not alone

Many people are so frustrated with that damn boss

[fierce moth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3BwEBzyZOU
@twilit mountain I find something interesting 😂
How these famous poe streamers kill the boss in tier 4 trial

[junior oyster]

Wait till silverfist

[fierce moth]

Holy god, the punishment is so hard...
Touch a orb then game over

[twilit mountain]

This boss is so bad. It would be so much better without honor. My friend got it down today, but it took him having a 6L Archmage Spark character with a LOT of investment to not have the fight take forever. DR scaling is absurd.

[fierce moth]

😂 the streamer clip in 8:45 of this video is a lightning stormweaver

[gilded elm]

Don't be a loser. Always slam it

[torn dust]

@fierce moth the power differential between different builds is HUGE.. so the reality is that bosses are not hard, designing good builds is hard

[viral galleon]

I have slammed more ex in my 42 hours poe 2 ea than my entire poe 1 3k+ hours

[torn dust]

My first monk build was garbage, but my current monk had easily soloed every boss through cruel act 2 in 1-3 tries

[viral galleon]

I'm playing a monk what's the good one

[torn dust]

I am using max freeze, ice strike, herald of ice, frost bomb for exposure, hand of chulua with freezing mark.. and a few more frost skills

[viral galleon]

Don't tell me the bad build was lightning

[torn dust]

I freeze most bosses in 4-8 hits, and when they come out of freeze, i stagger they soon after with staggering palm

Yes, the bad build is lightning (early).. lighting comes online very late

[viral galleon]

Yeah I don't know how to more reliably shock

I've seen 61% shocks on bosses, just got to cruel

[torn dust]

You can make lightning work, but you need to path directly for the quarterstaff bundle and take the skill that makes skills cast as if you had +1 powe charge

[viral galleon]

I haven't been doing rolling thunder

[torn dust]

Shock doesnt "build" like freeze or stun, its a percentage roll every hit

[viral galleon]

Yeah It's just annoying that I can clear a pack without one shock vs another pack I instantly shock everything

[torn dust]

Yeah, that's the nature of shock. In order to get it more consistent, you need more dmg via power charges

You need slower bigger hits to proc it

[viral galleon]

Which feels a little counter intuitive on a monk

[torn dust]

It's a different style for sure.. i prefer the fast moving freeze style play.. though I'm sure lightning clears rooms aclittle faster

[gilded elm]

Screw you Silverfist!

Really need a solution to my mana though

[torn dust]

Are you running mana support on aura?

[fierce moth]

🤭 I'll say Wudjio's clip will match with my case the most if I can reach here

[gilded elm]

I run Clarity yeah

[torn dust]

I'll go make a silverfist kill vid

To show off freeze monk

[gilded elm]

Just not enough to sustain... might help to take off Mana Flare but it's kinda nice

[junior oyster]

It's weird cuz the video don't load for me lol

[gilded elm]

Strange, it's a direct upload to Discord.

[junior oyster]

33 secs of a still image

Yea it happens idk why

[fierce moth]

not your fault, my discord can't play it too

[junior oyster]

But I think I know what you mean

[gilded elm]

Might be some kind of encoding/video codec thing maybe

[fierce moth]

Discord don't support playing H.265 video

[junior oyster]

My way was to kite him around one of his walls

[fierce moth]

Mobile version is no problem, just pc's one

[gilded elm]

Same video, but H264 instead

[torn dust]

hmm... what format does discord need to show inline?

[gilded elm]

MP4 container with H.264 A/V encoding should work

[torn dust]

there is my freeze monk silverfist cruel kill

[gilded elm]

Nice, freeze is really strong lol

[torn dust]

@viral galleon take alook at that

yeah, it seriously is

and it also does a rip-ton of dmg if you spec for all the freeze nodes

and cold pen

you can seet hat was my first kill of cruel silverfist

i just got here on my toon

[jade jackal]

im running the lightning version of the build

I was just happen to drop the legendary which grants 20% chance on hit to gain a power charge

[torn dust]

the double whammy of having freeze and staggering palm to stagger boss when you want to interrupt his ability, si seriously OP

you mean this one?

that's funny, it's like infernal flame for power charges

@jade jackal i have not tried using it yet, because freeze doesn't consume power charges

[jade jackal]

yeah, this is a lightning kind of thing

I know the ice build enjoys better QoL

I might respec later

[junior oyster]

Meanwhile I had to kite him around the walls cuz he would one shot me lool

[torn dust]

my biggest issue is that I have this +50 spirit chest, but i can't replace it because im too dependent on the spirit...

[jade jackal]

My game just crashed after the Utsvaal part and i was like yeahno

im taking a mental break

these maps are an absolute endurance test

X2-3 times the size they have any right to be

[junior oyster]

I'm sure you'll get a decent spirit armour lol

[torn dust]

i think it's not the maps... it's cretain builds

if you have a slow moving build, the game feels like a slog

[jade jackal]

The build is relatively slow, but very powerful

bosses i facetank with the bell

[torn dust]

after i figured out how i like this monk build, i did a reroll and I facerolled all the way to act 3 solo, i think i only died 3 times on bosses.. 15 overall, and it was around 3hrs to end of act 1

but the first time, on the crap build that came out of recommendations and ignrance... it took FOREVER and I was constantly dying

so it's really not that mechanics are very hard (it's a little hard), but that making builds it somewhat hard

for sure mechanics are harder in act 1 because we have so few skills and so little gear

[jade jackal]

the funny part is that despite growing a lot stronger, my Monk journey was easiest in acts 1 and 2

and most difficult in 3

[torn dust]

hmm

[jade jackal]

this comes down to the fact that act 1 is pretty much just a boss run

and act 3 is tons of walking

and Monks crush bosses early game with the bell

[torn dust]

the only bosses i had to do multiple tries on from stasrt to mid act 5, were forgemaster, and the end of act 3 boss who flies the mqachine

my build crushes bosses with the combo of bell and frost bomb

frost bomb early has stupid damage-per-cast-time, and later the cold exposure it gives buffs all cold attacks

but you can't effectively use bell with the early lightning build, because it doesn't generate bell charges

[stiff hollow]

@dusky heath I present the before and after, this is in regards to question in #👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs doing a welfare check, making sure you are being fed and not being held against your will.

#FreeMike

[torn dust]

my old weapon carried me for a long time (left), and then i got this new one on the right in act 4, and now it's stupid dmg

and i only have the first ascendancy.. i still need to do second to get unbound avatar

@viral galleon i think the most fun thing about thiws build is the mobillity and ability to take on nearly unlimited aggro

[jade jackal]

The problem with mobility, especially in tight corridors, is that enemies never deaggro

[torn dust]

they do when they are dead

[jade jackal]

you will get ganked, and PoE2 mob AI dictates that they will gank you from whichever angle remains free

[torn dust]

yeah, the freeze build doesn't really care about this

they just get frozen

[jade jackal]

Not all of them are slow and nice and need melee range

[torn dust]

yeah, that's w3hy i like the mobilty, one of the harder zones is the one where there are tons of those chaos artillary mages.... because i have to jump on them pretty quckly

for tight corridors, i run wave of frost, and one backward dodgeroll + wave of frost freezes them all, then i bell and nuke them

tell me a tough zone and i can make a clip, this is just where i happen to be finishing quest

also, the lower city, with those shadow orb mages, that's more intense

and for when i really cant be in melee, i run glacial cascade, so i can ranged, or drop bell and ranged the bell

[gilded elm]

Damn this actually looks really good for my sorc

Well, better than the crap I have

Skill levels would be nice

[torn dust]

thats sick, the spirit !

[gilded elm]

Yeah. Spirit, cast speed, life, attributes, mana regen... all around solid

[torn dust]

ok, i've kill rootredge twice in act 6 and it still is highlighted on the map, bugged? .. hmm forums says it is

i thought i saw a method of increasing the range of hand of chayula, am i dreaming?

[junior oyster]

As far as I'm aware rootredged doesn't offer anything of value anyway

[torn dust]

k

do you know what level we have to do sekhemas in order to get 2nd points, all my tokens say "using this token will allow you to pick your ascendancy class", but i've already done that

[junior oyster]

You are forced to do ultimatum

For second asc

[torn dust]

i tried but it bugged

and i read you can do eitehr

[junior oyster]

Did you check the ultimatum altar if it still had the asc quest thing?

[junior oyster]

Maybe I'm not sure

[torn dust]

i cleared all the mobs in first zone, it said "proceed to next zone", i took the exit elevator, there were unpassable rocks

[junior oyster]

I'd rather have lab come back lol

[torn dust]

i like these trials, i just need one that's not bugged

i prefer them to lab

keep in mind, sekhemas is there specifically to make a hard trial that won't kill hardcore characters

[junior oyster]

With lab I just have to deal with boss for asc. With these it's so much more and that I really dislike lol.

Yea I probably hate sekhema more than ultimatum but only slightly

[torn dust]

hmm... what do you hate about it

most people complain about melee, but i had zero trouble with it on my monk

[junior oyster]

I hate the honour system

For ascending they should just let you carry on

[torn dust]

?

the honor system is there to make a trial that is hard without risking your death.. for hardcore

[junior oyster]

I hated sanctum in poe1 too

[torn dust]

if you want to carry on, ultimatum 🙂

[junior oyster]

Majority of people aren't hc

[torn dust]

right, but if they let you carry on until you died, they would need to make it MUCH harder

i admit that certain buidls might make it easier or harder... but there are two options, and for 1.0 there will be a third

[junior oyster]

Idk the final sekhema boss already seems super op lol

[torn dust]

?

lol

i think this is a build issue not a sekhemas issue

[junior oyster]

The time dude

I haven't even tried to do third asc for this reason

Going through 3 floors only to fail at some point with honour for me is pointless

[torn dust]

ya, if your build does not allow you to avoid damage, then makes more sense to do trial of chaos for sure

[junior oyster]

On the other hand ultimatum offers you some potentially crappy rng killing your run

That's why they should have just brought back lab as the third option

[torn dust]

well, hopefully you will like the third option better.. i personally like these two... i really like the chaos rng roguelike... i just wish it would not bug

[junior oyster]

What third option lol

[torn dust]

they are adding a third ascension option for 1.0 release

[viral galleon]

it might be in pre 1.0, its unlocked in act 4

so whenever they add acts 4-6

[torn dust]

sure.. sometime before 1.0

[torn dust]

rachel did you see this silverfist freeze monk vid

[junior oyster]

Oh yea third is supposed to be tota or something iirc

[torn dust]

my only issue with sekhemas, is that they have no relic locker in the chest room

okay.. so yuou can do sekhemas for your 2nd ascendancy points, you just need an entry coin that says Trials: 2 (or more) instead of "Trials: 1"

[gilded elm]

Sorc feeling a bit more comfy now 😄

[torn dust]

nice

[hexed stream]

Lol what's with the es? Do you wear the unique helmet max life as es?

[hexed stream]

Guys, try to do currency exchange once, and notice carefully who does the exchange for you 😂😂

[gilded elm]

No uniques, just ES and ES/evasion base types with %increased max ES nodes in tree

[hexed stream]

I will try this out with the belt that allows ES leech
Guess this might even be better than 75 all res

[hexed stream]

Guys, check carefully, you may miss the +10 lightning res quest in act 2 (normal and cruel)

[gilded elm]

Can use this for reference to make sure you got everything https://maxroll.gg/poe2/getting-started/permanent-stats-from-campaign

[shut ferry]

Damn i died at the last room of trial

I hate trial of sakimas

[visual pulsar]

I died on the boss my first attempt

Never got back to him yet

Going to level some more

[hexed stream]

Here I thought blood mage could become the best crit ascendancy, but a ranger with flat crit chance/damage that can help reach 600+% crit multiplier slaps me back into harsh reality

[torn dust]

ranger is really strong, probbaly because it's the most similar to POE1

[hexed stream]

I realize playing aoe builds like dd, without using spell cascade, is a huge mistake

[fresh verge]

this breach took me to poe1

[crisp frost]

this sound theme is so amazing

[crisp frost]

please suggest this content to LE

[twilit mountain]

Oh based, Storm Wave build

[fierce moth]

Too comfortable to sleep on a bed and cover with a warm and soft quilt. Slept 10h 😱

GGG let the quality of sleep recently become so well or... over good 😅

Believe me, my character just feel tired when she fighting with a boss over 5 mins so she just want to lay down to sleep 🤭

That's origin of my death times ⬆️

[fierce moth]

🤭 Wudijo ran out his mana flask in the late duration of boss combat... Very real. Mana flask limit how long you fight with the boss is reasonable, the difficulty is up a lot after out of this range

[fierce moth]

I mean this video

[hexed stream]

Then there's me using a skill with slow cast speed and less than 40 mana cost, and the next build I'm cooking is with insane cast speed but 0 cost

[desert jasper]

Back to act3 on cruel
Kinda need to upgrade my gear a lot. Just that no upgrades dropping and npcs not having them either

[junior oyster]

I'm in t1 maps and yea really need better ES gear

[ebon meadow]

so fun doing trials like this in going up tp 1,2 k 🙂

[tawny sand]

i tried to do sekhemas and it was laggy as heck

it got better through it, but the first few rooms were def rough

also i get the worst mods on ultimatum i swear, so tried to do sanctum and it was laggy 😡

[ebon meadow]

just finished sakhemas took like a freaking hour and 4 tries

the lag is crazy and its not on my end

only positive thing that loot is actualy decent even the rares for desenchanting

got this thing to xddddddddd

[hexed stream]

eldritch battery working yet? or still disabled?

[ebon meadow]

i l have a smoke and i l try it

looks like its working

[hexed stream]

that's nice, they said that node is specifically disabled at launch, not sure when they re-enabled it

[ebon meadow]

maybe the node is disabled but helmet works

and it doesnt allocate it so

it just give the mechanic xd

[hexed stream]

the hell I was in hong kong server but entering map moves me to japan server

this is funny

[twilit mountain]

EB is definitely working, people have been using it since day 1

[hexed stream]

anyone knows if projectiles created by wildshards support gem can shotgun bosses with big size?

[gilded elm]

I thought basically nothing can shotgun in PoE except some special cases. Might be different in PoE2 maybe.

To my understanding, GGG has largely tried to remove and avoid shotgun effects from skills. Anything based on projectiles alone probably won't shotgun, but skills that have like an AoE component can sort of "shotgun"

For example if I was shooting 3 projectiles from Kinetic Blast, a mob at point blank won't take damage from all 3 projectiles, but they will still take damage from the 3 resulting explosions.

This is PoE1 knowledge but I would assume it to carry over to PoE2, because shotgunning is just a design that GGG is against

[shut ferry]

Look.. this is real zoo

[gilded elm]

Need some minion MTX 😄

LOL Quin finally made it to maps. Props I guess for rerolling on every hardcore death haha

[hexed stream]

yeah I think aoe explosions can shotgun, like in the case of spell cascade for example

but single target hits can't unless otherwise specified

btw is ricochet useful in poe1?

[ebon meadow]

it used to and probably still is , for magic find builds or very fast mappers

asuming u mean bouce of wall ricochet

i do think bows are in better places than wands right now and they have better mechanics in poe1

at least for fast clear

[desert jasper]

I wish more alchemy orbs dropped
I've had way more exalts dropping than alch

[gilded elm]

Of course, because alchs save you from having to spend so many exalts hehe

[junior oyster]

After trying to do my attempt on 3rd asc in sanctum I hate sanctum even more than ever

[desert jasper]

Yeah
you apparently need like... honor resistance? and a lot of it for it

[junior oyster]

Yea no way am I doing that

I'll just stick to what I have now I guess

Doubt I'd do any better with ultimatum but don't have any invites for that shit anyway

[fierce moth]

.

[gilded elm]

Need to do more Sanctum to unlock the relic slots I think

That's when you can really start juicing up your honor res I assume

[desert jasper]

Yeah... kinda hate unlocking the relic slots

"kinda"

[gilded elm]

It's a love hate thing... love progression mechanics, hate that it's Sanctum lmao

[junior oyster]

Yea but for that I need to clear more than floor 1 right?

The two giant statues practically annihilated me...

[gilded elm]

I think the idea is you kinda just run the low level coins to get your relic slot progression up? Not too sure

So it kinda means running Sanctum just for the sake of progressing Sanctum, not for the ascendency points

[junior oyster]

Yea I think I'll still struggle like crazy even with honour resist stacking lol

[gilded elm]

Yeah potentially

It's kinda easy to imagine how it might play out... say you were able to stack 50% Honour res, so you lose half as less per hit, will that actually make the difference for you?

There's also %max Honour you could stack as well

[narrow token]

The pixelation is real.

[fresh verge]

if you want high def gift me nitro haha

otherwise it's going to look like the zapruder film because it's compressed to under 10mb

[narrow token]

I don't even have nitro myself.

[fierce moth]

....I remembered how am I kill him last time finally. Yeah ||close to him, never leave him too far|| then the boss will never throw his axe and many arrows to the ground

Anyways the loot isn't bad

[indigo shadow]

Anyone doing fine in POE 2?

[fierce moth]

👀 I'm doing well, but I'm lv 22 only

[stone arch]

i like vibe but i had more fun in d4 or LE at least when i was invested for that time. poe2 is rather rough

im sure it will be better later in half a year with more classes and weapons

[fierce moth]

First time I must pick 1 in 2 on my body armour...

100 spirit bonus and 12% all resistance increased helps a lot really but it give poor energy shield

I'll say poe 2 is fun if you can do these things, otherwise it's a tough and hard journey definitely:

1. You know every boss so well, remember how are they attack and when are they attack
2. Your gears are excellent, lack of nothing includes attributes, damage bonus, life/mana bonus and all resistances bonus
3. You know how to spec passive tree for your build
4. You know which support gems you should use in which skill
5. You know which skill combo you want to play

Then enjoy your game 👀

I'll say #1 can block a lot of people already These bosses are crazy

[torn dust]

I think 4/5/3 are actually more important than 1/2

if you build well, you don't have to be so good at boss mechanics

you can compensate with skill and #1... but if you know how to build, it's not as necessary

i've now done zero death fast runs through act 1 to the first boss on two classes in under three hours, no deaths

and while some of that is knowing how to dodgeroll, more of it is having some builds that work

[fierce moth]

Anyways I forced myself to learn #1 well at first because mistakes I made on passive trees and support gems

[torn dust]

i play with a buddy who is not amazing at either... mechanics, or theorycrafting..... he's playing witch and his build was horrible, zero dmg, zero survivability... I did a little research for him and helped him redo his build (which was quite complicated at level 45) and now he rips and does dmg and doesn't die

[gilded elm]

You can 100% play through campaign decently with suboptimal gear.

By the time I finished the campaign, I was still using old gear I got from like 30 levels ago.

Mostly because lazy.

[tawny sand]

it feels like at least campaign wise the most important is damage, though i haven't finished cruel yet

cruel might need more resist idk

but it was smooth sailing for me with a good weapon in normal

[gilded elm]

For sure a weapon can hard carry you in the campaign.

Even a simple blue weapon with extra skill levels is most likely going to be better than any yellow weapon without extra skill levels, if you're playing a caster any way.

[jade jackal]

From how i see it, judging by the feedback of many people - experience can range somewhere between a breeze and a nightmare

Simply since one player can get godly drops, and find great skill combinations while another get poor ones and find no suiteable combinations

The randomality of the game directly cause randomality of experience

[tawny sand]

yeah that's part of what happened on my spark sorc, i just wasn't getting anything

tho i'm starting to feel spark might not be that great of a skill either

[gilded elm]

Thing about campaign is that you can reliably get good gear by frequently checking up on vendors.

[jade jackal]

The good part of it really, is that if things get hard players can go back and face easier content

not having scalable content actually saves lots of players

[gilded elm]

That is of course by design. Jonathan specifically compared it to Elden Ring in that regard. A difficult game, but one you can grind and outlevel if you prefer.

[jade jackal]

Practically speaking, time could be the only thing seperating a breeze from a nightmare

since a player can just overlevel, overfarm

[tawny sand]

unless they get one shot by the statue boss in act 2 like quin lmao

[jade jackal]

That said, im finding that typically content 5 levels or lower than you scales to almost nothing. Progression halts

[gilded elm]

This is in fact a traditional RPG mindset that seems to have been lost in time. This is how RPGs used to be played.

[jade jackal]

My 46 monk still uses a level 16 weapon

[tawny sand]

yeah a lot of people don't want to farm i think, i had to on my spark sorc

but then i hit cruel rathbreaker and just got so frustrated again i rerolled tbh

i'm having a much better time now tho

[gilded elm]

GGG even seems to have made it so XP loss is not a penalty that can happen during campaign content.

[jade jackal]

[gilded elm]

That's nuts for level 16 lol

[torn dust]

holy what, that is nuts

[gilded elm]

But there's gotta be better from a vendor haha

[ebon meadow]

i am at end of act 2 xdd

[gilded elm]

At this point that is

[jade jackal]

im always looking for it

but its funny yeah, level 16, and im sort of "stuck" with this

im also stuck with these gloves. im running a lightning build

[gilded elm]

I find and grab so many +level bases from vendors and just stash them for later transmute/aug/regal/exalt etc lol

Living paycheck-to-paycheck with my currency, use it the moment I get it lmao

[jade jackal]

im buffing my currency now because GGG does not give you free respecs when they destroy your build

so, saving for a rainy day

[gilded elm]

Yeah kinda sucks if you gotta full respec and also make completely new gear

[jade jackal]

I have a friend who had to spend close to 300K to respec after a patch

That's just way too taxing

[gilded elm]

300k ain't too bad under normal circumstances where you might have had the opportunity to farm that much from maps, which is fairly trivial.

[jade jackal]

When you farm with broken builds yeah, 300K is no huge tax

[gilded elm]

But going from 0 to 300k is some effort yeah, it's just something that happens as you map. Fairly quickly all things considered, don't need a broken build for that.

But if you didn't already have the gold on hand, then that's a rip yeah

I did a bunch of respeccing yesterday, spent maybe 250k or so. Back up to 50k now today, not even trying to earn gold.

[jade jackal]

i havent reached 300K, maybe even cumulative because im really taking my sweet time with the game, really slowly

[gilded elm]

At level 70

[jade jackal]

Because i will get exactly 1 chance at doing this. Then its gone

All knowledge will become common, many playthrougs will already run "simulations" in your mind in regards to how they will end up playing like

[gilded elm]

Indeed... which... I do need to make a new character so I can just get that muscle memory going lol

Need to optimize my campaign time

[jade jackal]

Rerunning act 1 is kind of funny. I remember this miniboss destroying me when i naively encountered her as a fresh player. going in back for the winning lap feels funny

[gilded elm]

Same lol

In fact, hated her enough to load a new instance shortly after and kill her again.

[tawny sand]

oh weird, i just went through the grim tangle without having to fight the boss

i guess the map generation is buggy sometimes

[torn dust]

i think that boss is always optional?

[tawny sand]

oh i thought it was forced

[torn dust]

i think the pathing just really favors you ending up in the boss room.... though i could be wrong

the exit path is always back behind the checkpoint that enters the boss room,

[visual pulsar]

I played ranged destroyed him pretty easily but I'm used to poe1 first boss sometimes they even added uber abilties during gauntlet races on the first guy I expect them to do the same in poe2

will be fun

[hexed stream]

great news: awakened poe2 or something similar is here

https://github.com/Kvan7/Exiled-Exchange-2

[vapid junco]

dang they got zealadin in poe

[hexed stream]

hi faustus

[gilded elm]

Faustus maybe coming in one of the later acts being added, probably the Kingsmarch one

[hexed stream]

man, this awakened poe2 pseudo is so useful big thanks to that person making that thing

[fierce moth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pprLSJq5SJo
How different poe streamers react to the combat with last boss in act 1

Oh I find myself likes to see this type of videos very much :)

Their build is so good then save lots of time to learn boss's attack for them indeed

[fierce moth]

tell you a joke:
I never discover orbs of storm can bonus damage from spark or arc by myself even I played poe 2 70h 🤭

I has thought this skill only let enemies shock when they're in the range

[desert jasper]

Finally got a new amulet

[narrow token]

Kinda wish quarterstaff had some fire attacks too.

[desert jasper]

Meanwhile maces have just phys or fire

[narrow token]

too limited rn

[fierce moth]

I prefer le's crafting before GGG give something new on this area

Then Judd is appeared hhhh

It's too disappointing that I only can add single affix per time and it's not what you want often so you waste this orb

[jade jackal]

Agree, no doubt

[fierce moth]

Picked up cerntain affix shards or get them from random gears is wonderful

[jade jackal]

LE crafting system Far superior To Poe2 Sort of inventory based crafting

I will say something that might be controversial too, but last epochs Inventory management is also far superior

From slots to auto sort to knowing rarity by background and frame colors, to slamming endgame

There are some things LE got really really right

[fierce moth]

Judd knows what the weakness of poe series so sell XD

[jade jackal]

The entire team does

A fully operational transmog system also feels completely missed from this stage of poe2

Just by the way of wearing and modifying all pieces you have salvaged or sold

The transmog system in poe2 seem to only exist in the realm of microtransaction. It doesn't seem like something that lets you integrate stuff you find in game

And the fact that you have to take it off one character in order to log into another in order to equip it seems very silly to me

[fierce moth]

I mean le will not in this shape if the boss don't allow the team do what he don't want to do

Style of leadership

[hexed stream]

seeing poe2 right now everyone running either spark archmage or pet build, kinda boring

game has like 4 viable builds now

[visual pulsar]

Thanks

[visual pulsar]

https://pathofexile2.com/ladder/Standard

I see way more than 4

[gilded elm]

Because there are way more than 4. The game has some incredible build diversity for early access.

Especially when you consider all of the missing skill and support gems.

[visual pulsar]

He has been watching too many diablo 4 content creators covering poe2 I'm betting

[gilded elm]

Reddit rot is a thing too.

Reddit is not indicative of the playerbase.

[visual pulsar]

This game has a lot of diversity in builds atm

[hexed stream]

yeah, I mean like ziz, ben, empyriangaming, tuna, those are all d4 streamers

right?

[gilded elm]

Ziz and Ben are HCSSF and their builds are going to be more limited.

[visual pulsar]

Yeppers

They focus on breaking the game

Not for plebs like us

[hexed stream]

then there are around 15 other streamers playing basically the same 4-5 builds, they are all poe1 streamers, not the likes of raxx and wudijo

[gilded elm]

How do you suppose a build "becomes" meta?

[visual pulsar]

I wouldn't worry about it much because there are many more than 4 viable builds

[hexed stream]

clear tier 15 with relative ease

for now

[gilded elm]

By those standards, there's effectively an infinite number of builds that can do that, just by looking at the ladder.

[hexed stream]

infinite = 4-5

[gilded elm]

And the answer to my question is, builds become meta because streamers largely popularize them.

[visual pulsar]

lol 4-5

talking to a wall here

[hexed stream]

a wall has truth, you don't

[visual pulsar]

I just showed you the ladder

plenty more than 4-5

[hexed stream]

they are all 4-5

if you look cafefully

[gilded elm]

The ladder is a direct contradiction. There's literally more than 5 subclasses alone that are viable, within those subclasses there are several different skill builds.

[visual pulsar]

I counted 6 in the top 20

So I have no idea what you are smoking

[hexed stream]

you 2 are the ones smoking

4-5 exactly same builds, varied by different choices of ascendancies by them, but the skill gem setup and the gears are all grouped into the 4-5 builds

[gilded elm]

I even see a few Chronomancers high up in the ladder. If a freaking Chronomancer can do it, any build is viable.

[hexed stream]

and same passive setup

[visual pulsar]

70% of gems aren't even in yet

[hexed stream]

sure, let's call the exact same skill gem, same passive board, same gears, but a different ascendancy choice, a different build

[gilded elm]

Why not? Chronomancer as an ascendency offers unique functionality for your build that may change the way you play with a skill gem. This applies to any ascendency for the most part. Playing quarterstaff on a Deadeye doesn't mean it's the same as a Monk.

[hexed stream]

that may be true 1 year from now, but for now, it doesn't really matter

[visual pulsar]

Atleast it's better than diablo 4 where only one class and one build gets played

by 99% of the playerbase

lol

[hexed stream]

well it's not like I'm comparing it to d4?

why are you so sensitive and have to relate everything to d4?

[gilded elm]

There is an audience for this, hell I even appreciate it for what it is. Blizzard is very much pigdeon holing you into limited build choices, but there is value in this approach for a different kind of way to have fun.

[visual pulsar]

Because poe2 is already better and it's not even close to done

[hexed stream]

and who mention d4 but only you?

did I say d4 better?

[visual pulsar]

I could talk about le too

[gilded elm]

You start to get into semantics with PoE builds because of how fluid class identity is.

[hexed stream]

and did I complain about poe2 being a worse game? bro, learn to read, I'm complaining about build diversity

[gilded elm]

There is value in class fluidity, but there also is value in rigid class design that LE and D4 have.

[visual pulsar]

It will get better it's only been out for a little over a week

with 100s of skill gems not in yet

and supports

[hexed stream]

I know it will, I complain about it as of now, not its whole future

[gilded elm]

Out the gate though there are definitely a lot of "viable" builds, or if you want to be more specific, "build variations" which are different enough. Content creators play the same few builds, usually the few strongest builds, and they popularize those builds. It's unfair to define viability by the strongest builds, that just misrepresents the actual situation.

[hexed stream]

it's very fair, coz right now only a few certain skill gem and support gems can clear the top contents, no matter which ascendancy you choose

for now, when I see you call a build "viable", I can only imagine you mean "campaign viable"

[gilded elm]

Nope, T16's. You think people are grinding to level 95 in anything lower than T16's?

[hexed stream]

and all of them are playing that same 4-5 builds, just different ascendancies

as only those skills have the damage and aoe to trivialize t15+

[visual pulsar]

Druid and huntress will be out very soon

They are the next classes

[hexed stream]

very interested in druid

[visual pulsar]

I'm going minion druid for sure

[hexed stream]

1st time they have a shapeshifting archetype

see how they do it

well actually demon form is also kinda pseudo shapeshifting right

[gilded elm]

Literally every ascendency is in the top 1000 of the ladder, several of each. This by extension proves their viability. There are currently 12 ascendencies in the game. Maybe some of them are using very similar skill/support gems, but every single ascendency? Doubt it.

And absolutely not the same skill tree.

None of these people are grinding to their 90s in anything below T16's.

[visual pulsar]

The game is already in a really really good start

For the first week

[hexed stream]

coz you just refuse to see your favorite game being criticized

when in fact it's all about those 4-5 builds and their variations

[gilded elm]

Did you have any actual contribution besides attacking my character? I will gladly defend D4 when someone is arguing untrue nonesense about it.

[hexed stream]

that's my contribution: only 4-5 viable builds

[visual pulsar]

I have a lot of hours in d4 but it has no end game still

that bothers me

[gilded elm]

Counter: Evidence of ladder says you are wrong.

Your next response?

[hexed stream]

ladder proves me right

[visual pulsar]

I don't consider paragon grind an end game 😄

[hexed stream]

you just don't see anything from ladder

[gilded elm]

How can a top 1000 ladder that has representation for each ascendency prove you right when the sheer number of ascendencies alone outnumbers your claimed number of viable builds?

[visual pulsar]

I will play season 7 but I was disappointed with it

[hexed stream]

because there are 3-4 ascendancies sharing the same meta build?

not too hard to understand right?

[visual pulsar]

I do the full seasonal journey takes me a couple days it's fun while it lasts

[gilded elm]

Literally all 12 ascendencies have representation in the top 1000 ladder.

[hexed stream]

so what? all 12 ascendancies are playing only 4-5 builds

just because it's a different ascendancy doesn't mean it's a different build

[gilded elm]

I'm getting throwbacks to when I told you there is no shot in hell that PoE2 releases into early access with PoE1 MTX ported over and you vehemently denying this.

[hexed stream]

I got my kalguur mtx btw

and a glove from necro league

and anyway, why try to divert the topic?

[gilded elm]

You also said they would have ported the vast majority of PoE1 MTX for the early access release else it will be an unforgivable betrayal that sets players to mass riot, because Reddit.

[hexed stream]

and there are indeed mass riots

[visual pulsar]

lol why would there be riots

[gilded elm]

I'm just saying you don't have a good track record. If I can't convince you with hard evidence, then nothing will and there's no point.

[hexed stream]

you don't have good track record either

[visual pulsar]

they were a good company even giving you your previous mtx from an older game

not many companies do that

[gilded elm]

Literally nobody is rioting because of missing PoE1 cosmetic MTX

[hexed stream]

ok, nobody pffffff

[gilded elm]

You know what I mean. 0.1%

[hexed stream]

or like 99%?

[visual pulsar]

I haven't heard anyone mad about it

Even in general chat in poe2

[gilded elm]

Nor have I, and I hang out in the PoE2 discord all day

[hexed stream]

coz there are bigger things to be mad about, like build diversity

[visual pulsar]

No one is mad about that either

because they know the game is unfinished

[hexed stream]

no one = everyone

[gilded elm]

I haven't heard anyone mad about that in the PoE discord either.

[hexed stream]

everyone

[visual pulsar]

more than half the content isn't even in yet

complain about it when the game is done

[hexed stream]

as I said, they complain as of now, they don't complain its future

[gilded elm]

Literally the only things people are mad about is the game's difficulty and the most raged about issue is ascendency trial difficulty.

And some performance issues.

[hexed stream]

the things, not the only things

[visual pulsar]

trials are busted for melee that's for sure

I facerolled it

lol

[hexed stream]

anyway, goalpost has been moved quite a few miles, good strategy there

[gilded elm]

I have not seen a single person express anything even remotely approaching the sentiment of "I can't believe GGG didn't port all my pretty cosmetic MTX"

Except you of course.

[hexed stream]

I have seen too many

[visual pulsar]

sanctum is easy for ranged though

[hexed stream]

except you

deny about everything bad about poe2 huh? is it a new religion now?

[gilded elm]

The PoE discord gets some questions about it. People ask, get told they are going to be added over time and just agree and move on, not giving a shit.

[visual pulsar]

Build diversity is fine it's been out a week no one even figured out everything yet

plus things are going to change drastically every few weeks

[hexed stream]

sure, can't wake up people who pretend to sleep

[gilded elm]

No rioting eh?

[hexed stream]

and are you back to the origional topic already? or play deaf somemore?

goalpost has been moved another 2 miles

maybe you intend to move another 2 miles?

[gilded elm]

I don't think it serves anyone to misrepresent the reality of the situation just to suit your own personal perception.

[hexed stream]

there's no perception, just truth and truth deniers

[gilded elm]

Of course, that's the argument. Exactly how big is this perception? Not that big based on what I've seen. To learn more, I also look at the ladder to find out that every single ascendency has at least some representation in the top 1000 ladder which is a hard indicator of viability simply because you aren't getting to your 90s without a viable build.

[hexed stream]

and all those 1000 people playing the same 4-5 builds, 4-5 main skills

[visual pulsar]

the same one as everone else

duh

[hexed stream]

I really want new balance patch to come out soon, coz it means more viable builds for endgame

more buffs hopefully

[visual pulsar]

With the new classes there will be buffs for everyone

more supports

[hexed stream]

instead of many nerfs in a row haha

[gilded elm]

Call it build variation, we can't see PoE2 profiles yet. There's a total of 12 ascendencies in the game right now. That's a strong indicator there's at least more than 4-5 viable builds even if they might have similar variations of gems. Also consider that the number of active skill slots you can have in PoE2 is much larger than in PoE1 which leads to a larger pool of skills-in-use which inevitably leads to an overlap in gems across builds, but that doesn't take away from diversity in and of itself.

[visual pulsar]

The nerfs weren't even as bad as people thought

the dude already fixed cast on freeze and does more dps and has more defenses

[hexed stream]

why is it so hard for you to see that there can even be 100 ascendancies and still playing only 4-5 builds?

[visual pulsar]

Because you can't see their profiles to see they are playing the same exact thing

Because I doubt they are

[hexed stream]

I know they are

[visual pulsar]

How

[gilded elm]

Because an ascendency can fundamentally change how you play a build, even if the skill gem is the same.

That is a different build.

[visual pulsar]

Do you know them all personally and inspected them?

[hexed stream]

not for now

1 year from now maybe

for now ascendancy doesn't mean much

bloodmage, internalist, stormweaver, chrono, all playing the same 2 caster builds, then infernalist and gemling play the same pet build, then all the melee ascendancies playing only 2 builds
ascendancies don't matter for them

[gilded elm]

Right, that's why people roll a Mercenary or Ranger to play Quarterstaff builds, because their ascendency doesn't change anything about how they play with a Quarterstaff.

[hexed stream]

yes, it doesn't change much, for now

1 year later maybe

[gilded elm]

It changes enough that people do it still.

[hexed stream]

thematic

not functional

[gilded elm]

What's Ben playing right now? It's a Quarterstaff Deadeye, I think. This is not thematic, it's functional.

Or he died and rerolled some kind of warrior now, but Ben isn't someone who rolls stuff for thematic reasons.

[hexed stream]

for now, your skill gem setup and passive setup and gears together influence 90-95% of the build power, ascendancies don't matter that much, and what dev needs to do is to reduce that ratio to something inline with poe1

[gilded elm]

Tailwind is exclusive to Deadeye.

More than a bit actually. Tailwind seems to be massive, yes.

It's stacking.

Unlike in PoE1

[hexed stream]

it's just changing how you die

[gilded elm]

But it does have an impact on how you path your tree. It means you have access to the bottom/botom-left side of the tree as a quarterstaff build.

Those are just compounding factors? Ranger because Tailwind, but also Ranger because optimal starting position for access to that part of the tree. Not seeing the relevance of that distinction.

There are also a completely different set of keystones which becomes available, and of course there's timeless jewels too which needless to say can change the way you build around a skill gem. It's far too rigid to say that every build using the same skill gem equates to being the same build.

Far too rigid considering PoE's class fluidity.

Obviously. But I also firmly disagree that PoE2 feels as barren in diversity as is being represented here.

Of course I can't disagree with your's or anyone else's feeling. I can't invalidate your own experience. But nor can anyone credibly claim that this feeling is prevalent.

Unless there's something more tangible to convince me.

For now, I just find it hard to believe that something allegedly so prevalent is talked about so little in the PoE discord throughout the day, almost not at all. And there are a lot of complaints too.

[narrow token]

Why is fireball a level 31 skill? LAME

[gilded elm]

The cast time on it is kinda iffy as well, makes me only wanna use it as a trigger skill maybe

[narrow token]

I was trying to do fire sorc (I don't want minions, I want to blow shit up and burn stuff with fire spells)

[gilded elm]

The fireball explosion looks and feels good, but I haven't tried going full fire. I started out that way and eventually leaned more into lightning just because those are the gear upgrades I was getting. I bet an ignite thing would work though

[fierce moth]

@vagrant topaz do galette des Rois only have single type is Almond paste?

[narrow token]

Fire skills leave a lot to be desired though. At least early on. I just don't want to use lightning skills. Trying to make a fire caster archetype in this game is so weird.

[gilded elm]

Yeah, I don't know how good it would be without SRS (as you said, you want something without minions)

Like you're basically losing a huge chunk of early damage by not having SRS because you have no other level 4 spirit gem choices that are good except Arctic Armour

Mana Remnants is good, but obviously useless in your case.

Maybe there's a non-Sorc spirit gem that would fit better.

[narrow token]

I have no idea what srs is. I'm not great with acronyms.

[gilded elm]

Oh it's called Raging Spirits in PoE2, but called Summon Raging Spirits in PoE1 (so just SRS)

[fierce moth]

Ok a bit expensive but I still want to try the taste... Get one 👌

[gilded elm]

It's one of the first tier of spirit skills

[narrow token]

I latch onto an idea and try to make that image in the game, but I guess it's not really "supported".

[gilded elm]

But yeah, flaming skull minions lol

[fierce moth]

I hope I can come to France one day... To taste all cheese and all traditional pastry in France

[gilded elm]

I guess this from the monk tab could be an alternative early on if you go with Evasion/ES

Well, maybe not early... hmm

[tawny sand]

they should make movement speed an implicit

[narrow token]

Yeah it seems there's nothing to really support the play style I want. Like if I were trying to make some version of LE spellblade, for example.

[vagrant topaz]

Its called Frangipane

[gilded elm]

You can, it just wouldn't be "spells" you know? It would be attacks most likely, since martial weapons are used to perform attack skills.

[vagrant topaz]

Classically its only almond yes
But nowadays there are a lot of different
I have made Chocolate and Pear, Hazelnut Chocolate
But really you can use any Nuts or Flavor you want

[narrow token]

Theme/visuals is pretty big, for me.

I have trouble enjoying classless games for almost entirely this reason.

[fierce moth]

Oh so it's limited by commercial stage... Homemade always more free space

[fierce moth]

🙃 Put one galette des Rois in my voxel art is what can I do so far

[gilded elm]

I think Molten Blast might be a visual you would be into.

I have no idea who this is, but looks cool https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNEqU0pi9IY

Slight Flame Reave vibes lol

Which is a Spellblade build I like a lot

[narrow token]

I suppose.

[fierce moth]

I guess roasted tea almond paste should taste good too hhh

Tea flavors can cover with fatty feelings from nuts well

Chinese always try to reduce sugar in pastry as I know

[hexed stream]

wanna play fire skill converted to chaos but that damn ring is too expensive, can only look and dream

[narrow token]

I'm trying to use incinerate and I gotta be honest, idk how they let it go live like this. It feels like it was made for another game it's so out of place.

[hexed stream]

if I'm not wrong, none of the dot builds are viable yet right?

[gilded elm]

I wonder how much of that feeling is due to the last minute delay on Druid/Huntress and the subsequent passive tree changes they had to make.

[hexed stream]

I miss bleeding heart amulet in LE, anything can be leeched

[narrow token]

I'm not even talking about endgame. I'm level 22

It sound and looks cool, but without a ton of defense idk how anybody could possibly use it well.

And I mean a TON of defense. You're a sitting duck while channeling it.

[gilded elm]

As a sorc, probably just by pumping a ton of damage to offset lack of defense. There might be a support for channeling skills to increase defense while channeling, I know PoE1 has a support gem for that.

Also, I'd super recommend just going hard on energy shield because it's the best scaling form of defense right now

Particularly for sorcs

Otherwise, if going mainly life, you want to definitely pick up as much life recoup nodes as you can

[hexed stream]

I swear ES in poe2 right now is in the same boat as ward in LE 1.0

too powerful, scaling everywhere

[gilded elm]

100%

ES getting nerfed

or life somehow gets buffed lol

[hexed stream]

there's 1 single life node in the entire passive tree, giving 20 flat life

then there's that damn unique helm, 30% max life as ES

[narrow token]

Yeah this spell is not made for bosses.

[hexed stream]

I want to make a build with chaos bolt, the weapon skill of wand, but I have no info at which level will it have 6L

[narrow token]

Barely usable against mobs

Feels like making mistakes is intended to make you start all over. Which I would if getting through act 1 didn't take me a million years.

[tawny sand]

movement speed as an implicit, way to remove runes, those are two big things for me

especially the runes

it's so weird we can't remove them

[hexed stream]

harvest craft too, I miss that, need to convert 1 ele res to another

[gilded elm]

I think we'll see some kind of compromise on runes. Obviously they're unlikely to be removable in a way where you keep the runes, but maybe they add a currency for destroying runes, or they simply let you overwrite runes.

[tawny sand]

yeah that's what i was thinking

[hexed stream]

overwriting them is the best I can hope for

[tawny sand]

i don't mind if the rune is destroyed

[gilded elm]

Crafting in general just needs to be more expansive than just currency, essences and omens. Harvest for resists would be good, but they should also bring back the crafting bench. I get that scours and alts are bad, but maybe something like scours can be introduced specifically for crafting bench overwrites.

[hexed stream]

and something to craft ms on boots early on oh god

[gilded elm]

I think that problem can easily solve itself mostly by just improving the weighting of the mod, it's just waaay too rare.

But maybe a lot of these concerns are addressed with Runecrafting in Kingsmarch (assuming Runecrafting is added). Like I could see Runecrafting replacing bench crafting.

Dunno which act we will see Kingsmarch in though

[hexed stream]

guess I'll play new build, making dark effigy totem the main damage dealer, but honestly idk much about how totem works in poe, anyone can show me the light? what does it scale with?

[gilded elm]

Please... PoB devs... I beg

PoB 2

[visual pulsar]

Soon

[gilded elm]

Oh was there some official word from the devs?

[visual pulsar]

Yep we will be making a POB for Poe 2.

It'll take a while to get a basic version of it working as we'll need to figure out how all the new game files are structures and can then starr adding all the mechanics to it

PoB for Poe 2 will most likely be a new client as trying to keep the codebase on one app is going to be a pain with how different the systems in the game are.

I also believe that as poe 2 is a new game, it would be detrimental to the community if we released a version of POB after only a couple of weeks into the games life. We only get 1 chance to explore the game for the first time and having POB too early is not something beneficial imo

I'll most likely make a bigger post with my thoughts in the next couple days so other people know what's going on

[gilded elm]

Ah right this was just before the game released into EA

But I guess nothing since then. Not complaining, I respect that.

But damn I do feel the absence lol

[visual pulsar]

Everything will come in time

[visual pulsar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4E6vJqx3Tc

This actually looks really fun

I played some totem builds in poe1 looks to be similar

[hexed stream]

I don't want melee totem though

oh wait it's not

[tawny sand]

that's why they should make it an implicit, and if they're worried about people zooming just increment up based on ilevel or something

but still have other useful implicits

[gilded elm]

Nah it's not really a good idea to have a universal implicit that applies to every base type of boots.

Similar to how it would be bad if every ring or amulet base type had the same implicit.

That would be a cool Corrupted implicit modifier though

So you could have it in addition to MS explicit mod

How to stimulate the crap out of the boots market: Make movement speed a Vaal implicit on boots. People will be Vaaling their boots like no tomorrow haha

[hexed stream]

talking about vaal, I have't used both my vaal quest rewards

[tawny sand]

i haven't either

i keep getting more vaal orbs than exalts and regals lol

so i just use the orbs cause i'm too lazy to go back through the zones

[hexed stream]

aren't those giving double corruption though?

[tawny sand]

oh is the act vaal different? i didn't know

[hexed stream]

I have no idea either

[tawny sand]

i also haven't experimented with weapon swap yet

i wonder how much that would open up build wise

[hexed stream]

quite, if you don't mind the terrible swapping speed