📚┃off-topic

[hexed stream]

what build you're playing in poe now? melee is great this league but caster has always been OP

as for summon builds, it's my least favorite of all arpg existed

simply hate AG and spectres

[sand wigeon]

yeah i don't see summons played SUPER often in poe. holy sigil is around ig

golems are a joke tho

[hexed stream]

I hate the concept that a skill requires expensive things to use, and even then you can lose them in a fight

[fierce moth]

Fireball + blight to clearing maps, detonate dead + blight for bosses

Don't figure out how to use another skills well yet

[sand wigeon]

yeah some skills combo

my build this league is just one attack skill with defensive layering options

you don't necessarily NEED to run multiple damage skills. some builds like it tho

i was playing a ci ephemeral edge frost blades trickster, which means nothing to you kirra, but might be relevant to minimap

i have about 210 hours myself, so i'm somewhat new

[sand wigeon]

(i chose frost blades because i liked how it felt, not because it was the best option)

https://pobb.in/duugIYAwePN6 < that's my endgame version

[sand wigeon]

https://pobb.in/3dvsIZtVsvH5 < this is what i have currently. i think i'm done for the season tho

[fierce moth]

Done act 1 and start act 2! The game is quite fun

[twilit mountain]

Gratz c:

[sand wigeon]

good job! you beat the hardest part of the game (excluding endgame t17's.)

[fierce moth]

oh well then I meet the server connection issue and it stop me to keep playing...Good reminder to take a shower and have a good rest after play poe 3h

[hexed stream]

fk t17 in particular, and the person making t17 in specific 😂

[fierce moth]

I keep opening this page once I open Chrome everyday but I never check them out because no power drive me to do 😆

I don't get why necromancer is act as a sorcerer more than a summoner in D4 even it's a necromancer 🤷‍♀️

[fierce moth]

And about d4...The gaslight site is D4 now due to the pre-stream 🤭

[thorn nacelle]

Never used Twitch.. remember 1 person paid for me to watch somebody but forget my pass since then😅

[tawny sand]

season 6 sounds pretty fun so far, hope it is

for d4 i mean

watching the campfire chat

i guess i should check out season 5, but i was gonna check out Witchfire maybe

and season 5 only has a few days left anyway

[junior oyster]

Season 5 is over

Or at least I thought it was

[tawny sand]

oh okay, i thought it ended on the 6th or something

[junior oyster]

I mean I could be wrong

I didn't check myself

But coming from D3 they would usually end season like a week before new season or something

[fierce moth]

@gilded elm lol. Received the respond for my application of that job just now... Yeah no surprise 😆
🙏 Hope that people who EHG had selected bring us more impressive environment designs of course.

Such a pity that I can't know who's EHG selected for this job, I want to check out works from this people to learn something

Empty paper is the best description for me... Cruel fact indeed

No one knows when next chance will come 🫡

[gilded elm]

Unfortunate, but expected. Tech hiring has been very competitive these past few years, especially for entry-level positions. Your best bet is to continue to improve your portfolio and keep applying to as many other companies as you can, you have nothing to lose by applying. Many entry-level candidates go through hundreds of applications before even being considered for an interview. Just keep trying, there's tons of game dev studios.

[thorn nacelle]

it should be!
Noticed they added many Wow futures into D4.
its going to be arpg-mmoarpg in the end. D3,D4,WoW,bit of LE thats diablo 4 nowdays. D2 i didnt add it extra cause the runewords they posted are not runewords.

[sand wigeon]

I mean. I think it’ll be an MMO in the sense Destiny 2 is an MMO, which is “not really.” They did consult Destiny 2’s team at Bungie, after all.

[hexed stream]

caster, but with some cool color theme

[hexed stream]

wow futures? what future?

we don't even know the next few wow expansions to know its future

[narrow token]

We know a bit

[hexed stream]

well if only someone could tell me btc future

[fierce moth]

haha but if I want to deep in diablo-like APRG...Not much choice actually.

Basic requirement for working in a game studio: You're passionate at their games.

Well... Maybe I even don't play their games yet 😂

[hexed stream]

just look at d4 and see how true this statement is

[sand wigeon]

the d4 devs are clearly passionate about d4

it’s just a shame they work in one of the worst work environments

(blizzard)

[hexed stream]

some are, like adam jackson
many others don't

[fierce moth]

I can't refund active nodes so only one chance to select which node is the next one I want to active?

[desert jasper]

You don't have refund points

but yes

[gilded elm]

Go to Kingsmarch, talk to Faustus so you can respec with gold. It's very cheap to respec with gold earlier, and late game you will have basically unlimited respec points.

[fierce moth]

oh I don't know where Kingmarch is even so it means the game don't allow me to refund points yet

[hexed stream]

league location, only this league has

[indigo shadow]

are we seriously in POE 2? or is that 1?

[hexed stream]

poe2 is next month

[indigo shadow]

Nooooo. I want my Vessel of Hatred first

[gilded elm]

VoH is only a few days away, there's over a whole month until PoE2 so should be plenty of time

[hexed stream]

what I'm actually amazed is how so many people are still very engaged in s5, like, judging the amount of contents d4 has, wtf are they engaged in

even as content rich as poe, I can never think of possibility to keep myself engaed for more than 1 month

[narrow token]

people are weird.

[tawny sand]

VoH Oct. 7th / 8th, PoE2 Nov. 15th

so there's plenty of time

I think PoE2 is nov. 15th anyway

[hexed stream]

and d4, why is it inflated to 133gb already

prolly my 1st ever game above 100gb installation size

[tawny sand]

did you install the high res textures?

i disabled them

[gilded elm]

You probably have High Resolution textures installed, they get installed by default.

Don't need it though unless you are playing at 4K or downsampling 4K

[tawny sand]

yeah

mine's 72.9 tho, is vessel of hatred that big?

i think the original was 40gb no?

[hexed stream]

I play at 2k ultrawide, so it's kind of weird place, the basic texture is only 1080p max

[hexed stream]

40-45gb yes

[gilded elm]

The normal textures should be 1440p

[hexed stream]

they did say ingame that basic texture is for 1080p max

[gilded elm]

Which option are you reading?

[hexed stream]

texture
it's either 1080p or 4k, no in between

[gilded elm]

None of this says the non-high res assets are limited to 1080p. It's even implying that 1440p textures are included in the base textures.

[hexed stream]

I don't even see anywhere such implication, in fact I understand opposite

[gilded elm]

High Res = 4k textures for Ultra quality.

Which means that even 4k textures for up to "High" quality are inclued in the base textures.

It's there in plain English.

[hexed stream]

also, all the reddit posts say that if you have a monitor of 2k and above, better install hires pack, the difference is noticeable

[tawny sand]

idk, even on the base textures it'd just be slightly blurry. Worth that over the install space imo

[hexed stream]

yes if I need that space for something else, but I'm not that tight on space

[gilded elm]

Depending on your graphics settings, there might be some kind of downsampling from the high res textures if they're installed. Downsampling 4k textures to 1440p will usually look better than native 1440p.

[hexed stream]

ultra, otherwise it's not worth it to install hires at all, the only purpose of the pack is to enable ultra option

[gilded elm]

But that would be kinda weird, usually you would use something like NVidia DL DSR to do that, so no idea.

[hexed stream]

also my monitor is big, 34" 2k ultrawide, detail difference is more noticeable

smaller monitors I guess it doesn't matter at all

[gilded elm]

Depends on resolution, sure.

[tawny sand]

1080p is big enough for me, but my desk is pretty narrow so my monitor is like right in my face

[gilded elm]

Monitor size and resolution will affect how many pixels per inch you can fit, so quality will vary between different sizes of monitors for the same resolution, yes.

[tawny sand]

i just had to buy a new one cause my other one died on me, i'm not sure how big this one is

24.5 inches i think

kind of weird having a flat monitor again, i liked my old curved msi monitor

[hexed stream]

curve is love

[thorn nacelle]

played enough years to know what futures

i see what they are doing and where they are planning to end up. no need university to understand.

thats wow future.

[hexed stream]

well idk about that, as far as I can see, d4 will still remain an arpg till at least season 30

[thorn nacelle]

thats wow future

they copy-paste anythink possible to survive the ultra hit is comming in near future

[hexed stream]

look pretty much arpg to me

[thorn nacelle]

aka Poe2 and titan quest 2.

btw

[tawny sand]

i don't think titan quest 2 will have a big impact player wise, i think it'll have an audience tho

[thorn nacelle]

the best part is near for them too.

Guild war bosses

[hexed stream]

the only things that scream wow to me are multiple skill bars, forced party contents, so I don't see anything wow in d4 for now

[thorn nacelle]

the higher mastercard will be the king. Diablo 4 trueform is near to be finished.

[thorn nacelle]

u dont see cause u have no idea

thats a think.

[hexed stream]

I think I have a lot of ideas

[tawny sand]

poe2 is wow cause it has wasd movement

[thorn nacelle]

but has Dark souls elements too i heard

[hexed stream]

the only dark souls element is dodge roll, but that's not a dark souls element

[gilded elm]

I just ignore tribalism. Play what you have fun playing. I'm in PoE mode for now, but D4 is still the most popular mainstream ARPG on the market and I'll def be checking out the expansion for a couple weeks then jump into PoE 2 and hop between seasons, what a time to be alive for an ARPG fan.

[thorn nacelle]

ofc you are free to play or say whatever u think its correct. We spend years gaming diablo 2 and wow so personally have other idea about them.
i just will sit back and watch them till 2030.

[tawny sand]

i honestly don't know if i'll like poe2, i find wasd movement annoying. I know it's optional, but it looked like it's kind of designed with wasd in mind

but i'll probably also adjust so who knows

[hexed stream]

depending on builds, non telegraphic builds are great with wasd

[gilded elm]

I was in middle school when D2 first came out and really loved it, great game. But D2 is a bad game in 2024. If Blizzard made a game that was exactly like D2 with updated graphics, nobody would play it.

[thorn nacelle]

do you know what its bad game?

[tawny sand]

they did make d2 with updated graphics tho and people play it

[hexed stream]

you must add exception: old d2 fans

[tawny sand]

d2 resurrected

[gilded elm]

Relatively speaking, nobody plays it.

D2R is great, I love it, but it's a trip down memory lane

Not an actual game I want to play regularly

[tawny sand]

fair

[thorn nacelle]

cause now days Rpg players either they play arpg or rpg. they dont wanna grind. reason Mastercards are on fire
Diablo 2 had tons of Grind which for this generation is too hardcore. Reason diablo 2 is so bad but has still big playerbase and Moding servers on top.

[hexed stream]

d2r doesn't click with younger players, and even for old players, a huge part of the 5M copies sold are bots

[tawny sand]

i wonder how many play project diablo 2 in comparison, my friend is exited for the new season

[hexed stream]

it's great, but I can't stand the graphics

[thorn nacelle]

i will take 6 years break of this scam and see their progress into time.

[gilded elm]

Thank goodness for the culture shift in gaming. I came to respect the shift away from unfun grinding as I got older.

[hexed stream]

yup

[thorn nacelle]

yep enjoy copy-paste coctail arpg wanna be 😄

[hexed stream]

well, we enjoy whatever we do, or do we have a fun police?

[thorn nacelle]

see ya in 2030 gl and have fun 😄

[desert jasper]

Man, zanzil
I'm sometimes not sure if you're just intentionally trying to annoy people or not

[thorn nacelle]

you called police? Nub is here

[hexed stream]

good lord, he totally misunderstood me

[tawny sand]

i'm not even sure what the conversation is about

[thorn nacelle]

me neither laters 😄

[tawny sand]

anyway that witchfire game is pretty alright, i've been playing it waiting for VoH

kind of repetitive starting out tho, but opens up a tad

takes a while tho

[gilded elm]

The reason D4 is so popular is because it captures a wider audience of people who don't have time to grind. It's an easy game to pick up and put down, and I suspect that's why it has comparably good retention, there's less burnout among its playerbase because they aren't the type of players who nolife the game.

[hexed stream]

the worst thing a human can do to another human, is to ridicule what other people enjoy, so I wonder

[tawny sand]

idk, the launch grind of d4 was pretty obscene

like it was not fun

[desert jasper]

Also the name "Diablo" sells

[tawny sand]

it's better now tho

[gilded elm]

Launch was a completely different game and Blizzard did an interview explaining how that ended up happening lol

[hexed stream]

we all know before s4, it's diablo patch 0.5, EA version

[gilded elm]

They basically tried to recreate the same grindy experience of D2 and said they were surprised when people didn't like that

Oh, the irony.

[hexed stream]

we have 4 seasons of EA from s0-3

[tawny sand]

i think they misunderstood what people wanted from D2 maybe, but most D2 players don't grind out to 100 anyway

so idk what they were doing

[gilded elm]

They specifically mentioned the Holy Grail, I think

[tawny sand]

oh, i see

[thorn nacelle]

i personally can understand that. its normal nobody has so much time to invest grind so much.
its better like this. Those who wanna play original arpg aka D2 moded or non can play.. others can play D4 instead.

[tawny sand]

yeah idk, only a few really do holy grail runs like streamers and stuff

[thorn nacelle]

i did Holy Grail 4 years offline in D2.

[gilded elm]

They basically modeled a large part of the D4 experience around D2 Holy Grail runs, apparently lol

That's why ubers were so stupid rare

Like winning a lottery

[thorn nacelle]

Behind this grind is the fun but its hard to explain.

[hexed stream]

the rest be like spirit shako arach mara
enigma is out of the question

[tawny sand]

d2 tyrael's might too

[thorn nacelle]

imagine playing 1 game 4 years and still finding new items..

[tawny sand]

i've never seen one drop personally

[thorn nacelle]

and funny part its 23 years old game

thats more than enough for me 🙂

[hexed stream]

lucky I'm not a part of that, tyrael in d2 is a bad item

[gilded elm]

It's been too long since I played, but I bet there's a handful of items I've never seen in D2. Probably buried somewhere in all of my Baal run trauma.

[thorn nacelle]

in 4 years casual grind i saw 1 Ravenlore droping

had 1 Zod drop also

thats the dopamine hits which are immortal during the years.

to get insane drops with high rolls etc

but ofc requires tons of farm/grind.

[gilded elm]

It feels good but that's not the experience you want to create IMO, it's unhealthy for the game long-term.

[hexed stream]

dictatorship opinion incoming

[thorn nacelle]

yes its too hardcore what i said. better have diablo 4 like this so both playbase are happy.

[gilded elm]

That's why crafting systems like you see in LE and PoE are so good, because you can take a bad item and turn it into something decent, or you can take a good item and turn it into something amazing. You want players to have some control over farming instead of just making everything RNG.

[hexed stream]

not everyone is a gambling addict

[tawny sand]

i wish there was more to do with blue and rare items in d4, in the expansion they'll just go to auto-salvage on torment I or something

missed oppurtunity

[hexed stream]

well if you add LE crafting it will become LE right

[gilded elm]

They'll probably get there, eventually. They need to shift over to a "base item" type system like PoE and LE.

[tawny sand]

i'm also concerned about the raid tbh, i hope it doesn't feel mandatory. I don't have friends that play and if it's complex enough pugging would be a headache

[thorn nacelle]

i enjoy LE crafting a lot just slaming is not my favourite lately

[hexed stream]

fk all party based contents, I just want to be a loner

[gilded elm]

Ideally you have a static group of friends, but yeah not everyone can commit to that. I'd probably approach it like I did with Lost Ark raids, just find a group to play with regularly.

[thorn nacelle]

Raids is wow future btw include marking etc

[gilded elm]

Probably more like Lost Ark raiding, which is more of a social ARPG than it is an MMO.

[thorn nacelle]

also heard in those raids going to be Pvp

[gilded elm]

Looked more like Lost Ark raids, any way

[thorn nacelle]

never played Lost ark or going to. did raided in wow for years and what i see is copy-paste wow.

retail wow too.

[desert jasper]

Because everything is a copypaste according to you

Oh no, the game has movement
it's a copy-paste of wow

[thorn nacelle]

it is lol

[gilded elm]

Too small to be a WoW raid

[thorn nacelle]

wow raids start 40 man into 25 man into 10 man

[gilded elm]

Yes, and D4 raids are small like in Lost Ark, 4 person

At least the first raid, Dark Citadel

[thorn nacelle]

this is 99% copy paste from wow lols

[hexed stream]

lucky I don't play wow at all, idk and don't care what copy what, the only question that should be asked is : is it fun

[gilded elm]

These kinds of raids are fun if you enjoy co-operative mechanics. Even if one or two people is jailing you in the raid, it's fun with friends for banter etc

[hexed stream]

idk why people care about anything in a game other than being fun nowadays
if you find it fun you play, if you don't, stop, simple as that

[thorn nacelle]

@desert jasper have u ever played wow?

i dont wanna argue with this just wondering

[desert jasper]

I believe I've told you before
I've played it to lvl 20 because a friend kept demanding that I play it
and it was the most miserable experience in gaming that I've ever had

[thorn nacelle]

so since you people never played wow how u know if its copy-paste or not

how u put an opinion or try to argue about something since u have no experience on it

[desert jasper]

And you never played diablo3 but you were fast to say that monk in D3 is just copypaste from wow...

Gee

[gilded elm]

There is probably gonna be gatekeeping in pugs though, depending on how hard the raid turns out to be. If it's decently hard, getting into public parties will be difficult.

[thorn nacelle]

i did played d3 too

so stay on my point mr.Nub

[desert jasper]

Nah, don't think I will.

[thorn nacelle]

rofl 😄 whatever i like this. is like i wanna say something Wukong vs Baldurs gate but i never played any of those games

[tawny sand]

yeah another worry of mine. If it becomes gear checks where you get kicked out despite being able to do the content like in Lost Ark or WoW i'm out tbh

[gilded elm]

You should, they're both great games.

[thorn nacelle]

was an example mate for him 😄 played both and yes both was amazing games

specially Wukong super good optimized

[gilded elm]

It will be, unless Blizzard dumbs down the content and then it becomes less fun. Gatekeeping challenging content is a difficult problem to solve and yeah it's a big reason people quit Lost Ark.

[desert jasper]

Yeah you just conveniently ignore that I did try out wow
But since I didn't play to the very end game etc I "didn't play it"

You can usually tell quite fast if you like a game or no

[thorn nacelle]

try something out isnt enough to earn the max experience vs 800 days played

what do u think? 😄

[desert jasper]

Ah yes, most people max the experience & play a single game for 800 days
only to talk down to other people

[thorn nacelle]

is the same killing Boars in Barrens and also the same speedrun the content

😄

[desert jasper]

"Your experience with the game isn't valid"

[thorn nacelle]

i enjoy your stories tell me more 😄

[gilded elm]

Which is absurd, of course. Your experience is always valid, nobody can tell you your own experience is wrong just because it doesn't match theirs.

[thorn nacelle]

my experience is not only with Wow but with Blizzard on general

was happy and ultra hooked when first time d2 got released same as Wow did.

2018 wow got released and same nostalgia again.

but was unhappy with other thinks which are useless to point out here.

[tawny sand]

vanilla wow was about the journey tho, and then they designed the later game in such a way to rush you into endgame which a lot of people hate. Do people that didn't do Ahn'Qiraj 40 in vanilla or Naxx or MC not have valid experiences?

[thorn nacelle]

Vanilla wow was ultra full at 2018 release

once Corona appeared even more

i will never forget to have 10-13 hours Dayli que in order to play the game (over a month)

was Woltk Gehennas Horde server. before that each new raid patch we had issues

its 20 years mmo-rpg game and they put 0 effort into it.

same they did with Diablo 2

only Fun base aka Modders keep improving the game instead.

[tawny sand]

[thorn nacelle]

ehm u see is useless to share this kind of info here since nobody play that xD

[tawny sand]

[thorn nacelle]

👋

[thorn nacelle]

my best experience ever in rpg game was Naxx40 speedruns as melee dps/tank.

10/10

[indigo shadow]

How dare you guys talk about WoW in Last Epoch. 😂

[hexed stream]

wow, what is wow

[indigo shadow]

wow? i don't know, wow

[indigo shadow]

I might see Guild Wars 2 in a rose tinted glass, but GW 2 is great to play. except it's an area quest than storyline individual quest. but they also have area co-op quests and group quests.

I tagged the wrong person, it was for you @hexed stream

[hexed stream]

man, GW2 was nostalgic, I played it with my friend when it was still a paid game

the last mmorpg I ever played, after that I decide to be a loner gamer

before that I also played blade and soul, was also a fun mmorpg

[indigo shadow]

I'm still playing it, I bought the whole expansion except the latest for 350 MYR

[hexed stream]

darn, there's a goblin shrine in LE now? I love it

[indigo shadow]

I'd blame Minimap for tempting me to play Guild Wars 2 atm 😂

[hexed stream]

lol bruhther

[sand wigeon]

GW2 is a lotta fun. I know Deias played a lot of it.

[hexed stream]

have anyone tried throne and liberty?

[tawny sand]

i looked at it, but it seems you can brick your character if you don't know what you're doing cause of its weird gear progression system

so i passed

[indigo shadow]

Prince of Persia roguelike 😉

[hexed stream]

no idea why amazon suddenly gains this weird obsession over mmorpg

first new world, then this

[tawny sand]

i still need to play that

i really liked the metroidvania one

[indigo shadow]

I have no money for the MV one 😦

Ubisoft price tag nostalgic game as expensive

[fierce moth]

Chinese can't purchase it so 🤷🏻‍♀️

[hexed stream]

well I just ask for the sake of asking, not available in my country either

[fierce moth]

Which country are you in

[hexed stream]

below you

[fierce moth]

India?

[hexed stream]

well, darn, I just check the world map and so many countries are below china, darn again

😂
not 🇮🇳 , 🇻🇳

[fierce moth]

Oh Vietnam... Tipo is the first reaction. That snack is delicious

[hexed stream]

truth be told, I haven't even eaten that once in my life, I prefer salty and spicy snacks

I literally had to google tipo when you mentioned it

but that's just me being weird, most people would eat sweet stuffs no problem

[fierce moth]

What corrupted means for this item?

[fierce moth]

unable to send SMS message...sigh

I don't get why poe server require users verify phone numbers

[hexed stream]

(https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Corrupted)
poewiki is your friend for most information

[hexed stream]

wait, there's phone number verification for poe client?

[fierce moth]

poe discord server need it

🤷‍♀️ The fate let me live in le server

...Thanks, although I can't understand what the wiki saying at all

I want to know corrupted means negative or positive or neutral only and what is it means but the wiki tell me blablablabla about how to modify corrpted items, how to corrupt items, which corrupted items in game etc

Me:

[desert jasper]

Corrupted just means you can't make changes to it normally
Sometimes they get special stats

Also there is no official PoE discord

[fierce moth]

ah? This one is non official?!

That server link link on reddit

[desert jasper]

Community run

[fierce moth]

..........

😢 How perfect EHG had did

[hexed stream]

but poe discord is good, it works

[desert jasper]

If it was official PoE discord I'm sure they'd have link to it on their forums too 😉

[fierce moth]

Such a pity that verify phone number blocks me from joining that server

[hexed stream]

try again after a while

sms doesn't work quite often

[fierce moth]

😆 these orbs in poe are amazing. I guess they as equal as runes and glyphs in le

[thorn nacelle]

tried Squad today with couple ppl from my country

was okay

[tawny sand]

i remember doing some boss with a group in GW2 and they wiped, so i did the boss solo for like 70% of the fight

and they all gave me gold at the end lol

[fierce moth]

lol There is quite confusing...I don't know what should I do for a while because I never see these monsters and I think I need to go anywhere to kill them

Well I'm slain then I can't craft again and I don't know what should I do really now

oh alright keep farming

[junior oyster]

I quit the league do you want any currency and items I don't need?

[fierce moth]

welcome! Through I don't know what are they mean to me...lol

Store something always good

[junior oyster]

It's not a lot but can help you with trading and stuff

[fierce moth]

I'm a witch

[junior oyster]

Also it's not real money trade if that is what you are assuming

Stuff like chaos orbs and whatnot

[fierce moth]

oh yeah chaos damage is what i want to play

[junior oyster]

No no chaos orbs and other orbs are tradeable 'currencies' in game

[fierce moth]

I'm not interested in trading so I don't play MG in le

oh nice never see chaos orb

[junior oyster]

Don't worry they are also used for crafting

Game is kinda complex but you'll learn. I'm still learning myself lol.

[fierce moth]

I even no idea how to add friends in poe

what guild for

[junior oyster]

Are you on console?

[fierce moth]

pc

[junior oyster]

guild is like with other games so you can share items and such

Ok dm your ign

[fierce moth]

? I can't dm you. I don't receive any invitation from social...

[indigo shadow]

My god i bet there's a conspiracy why Manchester United owners want to keep ten hag.

[fierce moth]

🤭 The way to check out playtime is unique

[elfin stream]

ugh that website

[twilit mountain]

A plague on the genre

[junior oyster]

I had to go away. Also please ignore sites like that if you can.

[gilded elm]

Yeah PoE has a very good wiki, but also that specific site exists only to advertise their RMT business.

[sand wigeon]

RMT? More like really muddling trains.

[hexed stream]

the issue is, poe doesn't have COF, so without trade, it's pretty miserable with low drop rate

like, not just miserable, but ultra miserable

[desert jasper]

Yeah
You can make it work, some builds easier than others
But you need to know what you're doing and even then it's still RNG
and you can't really make something that relies on a specific unique

[sand wigeon]

depends what you’re trying to get

but yeah SSF is a challenge mode for a reason

[desert jasper]

Yeah but talking about the more rare uniques
or stuff that you can only get from Heist for example
I know a guy who tried that, he got to like... lvl 80? in SSF and then ragequit because he couldn't actually get his build going because he didn't get the uniques he needed
||he conveniently ignored when I told him that he should probably lvl as some other build than that and then change around when he has them||

oh and also cluster jewels are also something that you can't rely on SSF either

[hexed stream]

in a sense, ssf in poe is really like ssf irl, it's like you decide not to buy anything anymore, and grow everything by yourself to eat, it's doable, but a miserable experience for most people

[gilded elm]

Also largely depends on the type of end game content you're trying to do. If the extent of your playtime is just running T16 maps then you can get away with pretty much any decent off meta build.

And as we've seen in these past few days in the Gauntlet, and past Gauntlets (which are HC SSF), a skilled and knowledgeable player will have farmed bases, crafted high end gear and geared up enough to challenge ubers within just a few days. So there's definitely a huge knowledge gap (learning all the different ways to farm bases, the different crafting systems, metacrafting etc) that makes SSF way more viable.

[fierce moth]

Damn...But I can't join in poe community server...SMS still don't work

[maiden widget]

ssf is just working with what you got at first, expecting a build online at lvl 80 is kinda weird

[indigo shadow]

I'm a little woozy playing LE right now

[fierce moth]

I guess various orbs and gems is the core of fun of farming in poe? I enjoying adjusting my gears by orbs a lot but these orbs just too rare :(

Get an excellent result by using orbs just now

I don't know what the sense of stacking intelligence though

[indigo shadow]

I was about to complaint 5 P Damage then i realized it's a Mage gear

[hexed stream]

more often than not I see people in poe wasting 10s of divs of currency trying to play with crafting, not knowing what they do exactly, and in the end result in something that's worth 1 or 2c
poe crafting is something I personally will not do unless I gain another 5000h of experience or so

like, 200% of what I have now

[sand wigeon]

i mean the basics ain't that hard

trying to craft crazy stuff is but if you stick to the basics it's fine

and i have 200 hours, so

[hexed stream]

yeah, wasting a few chaos or so experimenting is ok, it's cheap experimentation anyway, or essence is also good way to craft, and easy to farm as well if she knows the strat

[sand wigeon]

you can also just do normal chance, alt, exalt stuff

[hexed stream]

personally won't touch exalt early on, that level of currency I start to save it up to exchange to chaos for trading, unless I'm around more than 1 week into league when 1 exalt is nothing

[sand wigeon]

what is early on for you

exalts are so cheap

where is early

[hexed stream]

for me, everything before t16 is early on

[sand wigeon]

i get chaos without trying early

what

how little currency are you making??

i make divs in yellow maps

[hexed stream]

idk, when reaching t16 I usually start making a few div/h, and when gears get better, 10+ div/h

[sand wigeon]

what do you run?

for mechanics

[twilit mountain]

You can make like almost 15d an hour from T5 maps onwards just by running essences lol

[hexed stream]

depending on league
cowgirl league I run harvest and then strongbox scarab farming

[sand wigeon]

tf is cowgirl league

[hexed stream]

yes, but with a build capable of doing t17, otherwise the essence boss will 1 shot you

[sand wigeon]

strongboxes are scams

[twilit mountain]

Lol wut

[sand wigeon]

they're dopamine but scams

[hexed stream]

part of that is fubgone fault

[sand wigeon]

i have a friend running essences all league and they're fine

what

[hexed stream]

the streamer I watched this league also made all her currency running essence for 2 weeks straight too, her build was destroying t17 fully juiced with ease, yet t7 essence corrupted boss kicked her ass every now and then

[sand wigeon]

what is fubgone

[hexed stream]

fubgun, but gone version

[sand wigeon]

what

[hexed stream]

he's the best mf streamer in poe, always boasting the record for div/h every league

[sand wigeon]

and how did he cause issues?

pretty sure strongboxes are just satisfying so people like running them, therefor the prices of the strongbox items go up, it's basic supply and demand

i'm sure a small part of the community switches to them because of some streamer but generally people just like them

[hexed stream]

for the exact reason I just said, he's the best mf player, so when he posts a farming strat, so many people use that for farming, thus the currency farmed from such method will crash in price

[sand wigeon]

yes. supply and demand

like i just said

[hexed stream]

but cowgirl league I didn't play long enough until strongbox strat crashed in price, when I quit it was still solid 15 div/hr

[sand wigeon]

what is cowgirl league

[hexed stream]

and only 15 coz my char not strong enough

[sand wigeon]

why are we talking about farm workers

[hexed stream]

the ongoing league?

[sand wigeon]

...kalgur?

settlers of kalgur?

[hexed stream]

settlers of cowgirl

[sand wigeon]

why in all of my god's names are you calling it that

[hexed stream]

like, the whole poe community call this league that way

[sand wigeon]

not any i've interacted with

must be the weirdo side

[hexed stream]

even the major streamers put cowgirl in their streaming session names

[sand wigeon]

so the weirdo side, yeah

[hexed stream]

idk, poe is really flooded with tons of weirdo including me

[sand wigeon]

this league has been called settlers tho

why are you admitting to being a weirdo

[hexed stream]

weirdo is good, I don't like to see myself as the normal one

[sand wigeon]

the weirdo's i'm talking about are they type to sexually harass me

[fierce moth]

Chamber of sin is quite interesting, remind me of...emmm why dungeons for main campaign in poe is as same as d4, I must follow the coming way to return? Waste time on walking...

[hexed stream]

that's why everyone hates doing lab

[sand wigeon]

i haven't had that experience with chamber of sin? if i understand you

that sentence's not computing in my head a bit

[fierce moth]

here

[sand wigeon]

yeah, i remember the level

just not sure what you mean

[hexed stream]

maybe she means the trial, but I could be wrong

[sand wigeon]

maybe

in which case you just do the trials the first time you enter the maps

if there's a trial in a map the quest will appear on the right side

if you do them while you're there, it's no biggie

[fierce moth]

oh that's a dungeon where many gems inside. Ok not waste my time now

[sand wigeon]

idk what that means

but fair enough

[hexed stream]

every league rush campaign never look back

[sand wigeon]

i do all quests because i'm not yet familiar enough to remember which ones are worth it

[gilded elm]

https://heartofphos.github.io/exile-leveling/

Use that

[sand wigeon]

i'm aware there are tools, i just can't be bothered to use them

thank you tho

[hexed stream]

just do all, don't waste that much more time

[tawny sand]

i don't remember much about poe to know what quests are worth doing or not

[fierce moth]

Ok I see why I always find a big dungeon in per act at least... That's what the lord's labyrinth need to do. Ok not bad gameplay

Claim quest's rewards time :)

[fierce moth]

I enjoyed the main tale showed in campaign of D4, I enjoy the gameplay of campaign of poe, I just don't find anything campaign of le I enjoyed.

The most quests I need to do in the campaign of poe

[tawny sand]

i personally have no idea what LE's campaign is about, other than there's a undead emperor or something

[fierce moth]

oh remind of a thing. I don't need to go back to a town or walk back for a long time in LE's campaign. This is the adventage of le's campaign

[tawny sand]

i don't think i know what PoE's campaign is either, other than i found the lore tid bits cool

like the gemling queen

[gilded elm]

LE definitely has the worst campaign, story-wise of all ARPGs that I've played. Even Grim Dawn's story was way better.

[tawny sand]

gd's lore is really interesting imo

[gilded elm]

Actually true, I shouldn't have phrased it like that. GD has some good lore for sure.

[hexed stream]

will I see you on 9th october for new season?

[tawny sand]

isn't it the 8th for you?

it's 7th for me

[hexed stream]

oh it's not 9th, darn, need to check my calendar or eyes checked

[tawny sand]

there's a release time map image somewhere for it, probably on their website or twitter

but it's 7th for NA/SA, 8th for the rest of the world afaik

timezones be wacky

[tawny sand]

yeah i like the witch gods(?) a lot

also ashes of malmouth went hard on the lore, so cool

i love those zones too

[maiden widget]

eu got shafted again :<

[gilded elm]

GD had a very similar vibe for me as playing D2 for the very first time, it was a well crafted immersive environment. Only thing missing to make it better would've been cinematics.

[tawny sand]

yeah, i like the little cinematics they did but there's only a few of them

the 2d cinematics

[fierce moth]

Too expensive 🤷‍♀️

[gilded elm]

If they had the same CGI animations like D2 had, that would've been amazing but obviously they're not that high budget lol

[tawny sand]

maybe GD2 will have a higher budget and we get some cool stuff, idk

surely there'll be a gd2 anyway

[hexed stream]

GD2 release date 2077

[gilded elm]

No idea, I'm surprised Crate wasn't hired to work on Titan Quest 2.

[hexed stream]

still can play, just no new class, new campaign and runewords

[hexed stream]

no way that can happen

[tawny sand]

crate has knowledge of the original engine, but they went with unreal 5 for TQ2 i think

[gilded elm]

I don't know what kind of terms they parted ways with THQ Nordic, but maybe.

[tawny sand]

and i think grimlore has unreal knowledge or something

i hear those rts games are really good, i just dont' play rts

[gilded elm]

Grimlore makes the SpellForce games

[tawny sand]

yeh

they're doing tq2

[gilded elm]

Yeah, just a shame IMO that the few remaining original TQ devs at Crate aren't the ones working on TQ2

[tawny sand]

oh for sure

i don't remember who originally published Titan Quest

oh it was THQ original before they went bankrupt and got wrapped up into THQ Nordic or something

[gilded elm]

I guess Ironlore/Crate own the actual original TQ engine and that's not part of the TQ intellectual property, dunno how else they were allowed to use the same engine for GD.

[tawny sand]

I think they bought the engine or licensed it from the publisher? I don't remember

i feel like i read about it though

dang i kind of want to play titan quest before vessel of hatred comes out

but that first act takes so long

[gilded elm]

Settings -> Game Speed -> Fastest (or whatever the fastest setting is) lol

[tawny sand]

lol true

i think i already play on fast

fastest is too fast for me if i remember right

at least for bosses

[gilded elm]

Fast is the current default in the Anniversary Edition, but there's one setting higher

Ah, yeah

[tawny sand]

i hope TQ2 goes well for grimlore

thq nordic has had a ton of layoffs

[gilded elm]

Looks good so far based on the demo footage. AaronARPG has been keeping up with the news/reveals and seemed optimistic based on what we've been shown so far. Grimlore doesn't seem to have experience making an ARPG so I kinda expect the game to launch with some glaring design flaws, but they at least seem to be good about supporting their games.

[indigo shadow]

Brutal ads for sure 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[hexed stream]

that's how you do ads, I totally love it

reminding me of papa john pizza guy on youtube shorts, the voice is really aggressive, but it's darn interesting

[fierce moth]

oh ok more contents on the wiki I can get now

[tight hatch]

https://youtu.be/92F0Jl3TvF8

[desert jasper]

Is that your youtube channel or why do you keep on linking it?

[fierce moth]

.......Monsters from the violent ritual is too hard to kill. They're like a group of hungry golf bite a little goat so I'm slain twice times

Bitter ritual is the same. What the hell...They're too strong

...😅 hah I even can build something in poe???? Am I playing build and survival game suddenly...

[gilded elm]

Yes, you can change your hideout and customize it any way you want

Add or remove NPCs, place your waypoint, stash, crafting benches etc.

[fierce moth]

lmaooooooooo what!?!?!?

It's unexpected at all...I just think I come here to play gears but then poe let me play building suddebly...

[gilded elm]

Wait until you learn about this league's mechanic (Kingsmarch)

[junior oyster]

She is playing std

[gilded elm]

Ouch, that's unfortunate. Missing out on one of the best league mechanics ever for PoE

[ebon meadow]

Yea was about to say don't mention this league mechanic

Hope it's ssf so u don't get wrong idea about traiding

Standard is sort of our graveyard

[gilded elm]

Hopefully if they keep one thing from this league, they keep Faustus/Gold respecs/Currency exchange

[hexed stream]

wait until you play town management and tower defense

[indigo shadow]

Could you guys hold your breath for 20 seconds for this video?

[hexed stream]

icant, this is so much longer than how long I last in bed

[fierce moth]

😆 The end of act 2 is tough. The laser kill me a few times even I use a traversal skill because the server lag...But I pass finally

[fierce moth]

Fun fact: I don't know what settlers mode means when I select the mode...

Of course, I still don't know even now

[gilded elm]

Settlers is just the name of the current league/season, Settlers of Kalguur.

[fierce moth]

lol hah damn miss the cycle entirely

[gilded elm]

Standard is like LE Legacy and Challenge League is like a LE Cycle. The current challenge league is called Settlers, so that will say something different next league.

But in PoE, challenge leagues have unique mechanics that are not available in standard.

[fierce moth]

The pity is...poe can't skip the campaign :(

[gilded elm]

Indeed

[fierce moth]

So play a new character is super troublesome

[gilded elm]

But it's about 6 hours or so once you optimize it and you'll be around level 70 by the end of it.

[hexed stream]

my 3rd league and I took more than double that amount of time

[gilded elm]

Yeah it's super easy to get distracted, so it's easy to lose a lot of time. That's fine though if you have fun with the distractions. But if you strictly just focus on campaign and only the quests you need for skill points and you become more familiar with the map tile sets, then it should be around 5-6 hours.

[hexed stream]

I tried to focus, but it's about familiarity with campaign map locations I guess

not just the quests with skill points, I did all

[gilded elm]

Yeah map traversal accounts for a huge portion of the time wasted

[hexed stream]

honestly when poe2 comes out, I'm not even sure if I will ever go back to poe1

[gilded elm]

If the goal is to go fast, then you'd only do the side quests that actually award skill points and gems/flasks that you need.

[fierce moth]

I still under the logic that create a new character, level it up to explore all game mechanics by error and trials, then use the storage from the first character to boost up process and expand the storage, run the loop until I tried everything in the game.
So... Play a new character from zero per a few months is what I don't get where the fun is still.

[hexed stream]

the fun is everyone starts from 0, not just you

every game with season, I don't play non-season, and I immediately delete everything when I'm done

[fierce moth]

Masters can still faster than your process even all of us start from zero 🤷‍♀️

[hexed stream]

yes, but that doesn't matter, starting again with everyone from 0 is still fun

it's not about the competition

no way to compete against people with more time and more knowledge

[gilded elm]

In PoE there's things you can only experience in a season, then it goes away forever. So you do also kind of end up missing out on a lot of content by skipping seasons.

I think they'll end up keeping some things from this season, but probably not all of it.

[fierce moth]

😂 The difference on logic. I don't get why people don't enjoy the advanced phase when everything is advanced (ready)

[hexed stream]

and also, in most arpg, leveling process will be your most memorable time, endgame farming is just the same old repetitive mapping

[hexed stream]

many of us don't want a silver plate handed to us when starting anew, it's more fun working everything up from scratch

[desert jasper]

It also feels great seeing the character come together

[gilded elm]

I agree that most of the fun is in watching the build come together, and not when you finally have the build.

That's the case for me too.

[hexed stream]

there's a good reason so many children of billionaires kill themselves, they are born with too much money that takes 100 generations to spend, and they don't know what the hell they wanna do with life, they lose all purpose in life

eating the rice you hard earn always tastes better than the rice you buy, as the saying goes

[desert jasper]

Like sure, mapping is nice and all
but it gets kinda repetitive so I usually listen to music or talk with friends when I do that for extended periods

[hexed stream]

in fact I don't even know how people find fun when they have everything ready for them at the start

[fierce moth]

I like the feeling that see the own character come together but I rather like I can control my character to do everything without limit

[gilded elm]

At least we get multiple Atlas trees so we can switch up the mapping to cater to whatever activity we want to grind, I enjoy a lot of them like Legion, Breach, Harvest, Betrayal, Expedition, Delve.

[desert jasper]

Yeah, I remember 2 streamers talked about that (Mathil & Zizaran)
and zizaran always used to get all the gear ready for alt characters before even starting them
and mathil said that's boring and how it feels much better to put the character together while lvling and craft the gear, see the power increase

and then ziz tried that and was like "wow, mathil was right"

[hexed stream]

the psychology is very simple, legacy character promotes dopamine, or we usually call it cheap, quick fun
seasonal char promotes hard earned satisfaction after going through difficult times, the hormone involved is also different, called endorphin
and in medical understanding, the satisfaction effect of endorphin is much more long-lasting and impactful than dopamine

[fierce moth]

I'm the people who get all gears ready for alt characters indeed lol

[gilded elm]

Sometimes I'll throw a useful unique on an alt for easier leveling/campaign, but most of the time I'll try to use whatever I pick up because the crafting system is already powerful as it is.

[hexed stream]

idk, imagine you level your alt to 70 using gears earned by other chars, meaning there's zero difficulty leveling, then at level 70 you equip all the best gears earning by the previous char as well, meaning you reach the near max potential of that build, so why are you still playing that build at all
everything is easy mode

[gilded elm]

Obviously I'll have plenty of currency that I farmed on my main which I can spend on crafting for alt

[fierce moth]

Then I lose the interest to play the alt character quickly yeah

The most happy memory is when I level up the first character always

[hexed stream]

also part of the reason why more advanced players often resort to playing hc mode

endorphin + adrenaline rush, ultimate fun formula

[gilded elm]

There's too many defensive mechanics in PoE, I can't fathom me playing HC. I'd definitely mess something up and get one shot.

[hexed stream]

big respect to ziz who almost always plays hc

[gilded elm]

There's quite a few HCSSF players in PoE, takes a lot of knowledge to not die lol

[desert jasper]

Last time I played HC in PoE was before Sirus etc were added
before the end game boss hp got... what, tripled or quadrupled?

[hexed stream]

the only game I dare to play hc is d2r, it's simple enough

[desert jasper]

Made it to like tier 6 maps and then I got killed by a red beast

[gilded elm]

Armor, Evade, Block, Spell Suppression, Spell Dodge, Resistance Scaling, Damage Shifting etc. So many defensive mechanics you have to be aware of, else you risk being vulnerable to a one shot that completely bypasses whatever defensive layers you have lol

[hexed stream]

or play armor stacking and afk on uber bosses

[fierce moth]

Everything in gameplay of a ARPG must spend lots of time to learn if I want to master at this game. Oh...stressful because of the huge gap on experience.

[gilded elm]

Don't think that's viable for everything though, or if it was, it probably requires specific passives/items to allow armor to mitigate non-phys so it's gonna lock you into certain choices.

[hexed stream]

part of the reason this genre is not popular

look at fps game, nothing much to learn, just know how to shoot a gun and good to go

[simple needle]

Every genre that requires effort for entry isn't popular

DnD , fighting games, RTS etc

[sand wigeon]

And that’s not a bad thing

People are busy and lots of times can’t get into complicated games

But also, another reason is just that most ARPG’s are dated and generally don’t attract new players, choosing instead to cater toward their current community

This is why Diablo has gotten the “casual gamer” stereotype, because it attempts to bring in new players more consistently than others

[indigo shadow]

Well Patrick Ewing is back on NBA

[fierce moth]

I guess why they're agree on poe is harder than le is too many gems the player can select when they claim the reward of main quests 😂 Options just more and more...

of course just one of reasons

[desert jasper]

Ah, act 3
I see

And it's not the skill gems that make PoE harder than LE

[gilded elm]

Hands down the best feature this league. They better keep this and add it to the base game.

[karmic nimbus]

i dont miss whispering to 20 player for 1 trade

[gilded elm]

Surely they're online when they say they are

[junior oyster]

I hope they add autoloot (and a proper filter that can also tie in with autoloot).

[narrow token]

Soooo when do they make their UI art not hideous?

[gilded elm]

Dunno, that thought never occurred to me. Seems good, maybe a bit dated but at least the game itself (including the UI) feels very snappy and responsive (no perceptibly unnatural latency across UI actions) so that maybe reinforces my impression of it.

[sand wigeon]

Why?

[junior oyster]

Because I hate having to pick certain curr up

[mental talon]

This was a productive league. I am content and now we wait for PoE 2.

[gilded elm]

dam u rich

I wonder if they'll keep Runesmithing in the base game. I hope so

[mental talon]

I figure a lot of Settlers will go core but obviously not all

[gilded elm]

Yeah I don't think Kingsmarch itself will go core, that's just such a huge mechanic to be repeating every league unless they nerf it.

[mental talon]

Like Faustus/Exchange, and hopefully Runesmithing. Probably not mappers/plants/shipment.

[gilded elm]

Yep, and I would be happy with that. I'd be even happier if they kept the cheap early game respecs with Faustus, but since 90% of the reason for gold is probably going to be removed... I kinda doubt gold respecs will go core.

But then again, if they keep the Currency Exchange, that's a pretty big reason to keep gold in the game as well since you currently pay gold for the broker tax in the exchange.

[mental talon]

Gold will probably go core if I was a betting man since it was backported from POE 2 and a test/feeler to see how it would feel in POE 1 with pretty much overwhelmingly positive reception for Gold/Faustus/Gold respec

I'd be shocked if that left tbh

[sand wigeon]

I dunno. I think it’s too little interaction.

[mental talon]

I can see most of the mechanical stuff but if Gold was gone I'd be shocked tbh

[gilded elm]

Yeah I agree. I think gold is a crucial feature right now that makes PoE appeal to a wider audience with the respecs and currency exchange.

They might have to find more uses for gold though, or raise the exchange fees or steepen the respec cost curve since we likely aren't going to have anything else to spend gold on especially late game.

I wouldn't be opposed to them keeping shipping though, but maybe instead of Kingsmarch resources, we can just spend gold on "goods" or "labor" or whatever and ship that.

So they could keep some aspects of the Kingsmarch mini-games that weren't as demanding.

You know what, they should keep the Recombinator and Thaumaturgic Dust as well, that would be another well received feature for people to spend gold on.

[sand wigeon]

I think Kingsmarch should just become a core mechanic tbh

[hexed stream]

I trust it will go core even before the currency exchange

respec difficulty is a huge turn off for newcomers

[fierce moth]

which website are they uses for simulation about passive net of poe?

[tawny sand]

do you mean the skill tree? It's a program called Path of Building

I believe this is it. https://github.com/PathOfBuildingCommunity/PathOfBuilding/releases

[fierce moth]

thank you!

? poe has multiple masteries too? How do I know which branch I'm?

[desert jasper]

You get to select that after you've done labyrinth for the first time

[fierce moth]

ahah that'll the most interesting part! Looking forward to that 😃

[desert jasper]

Be careful with the traps it has
they can hurt

Especially if you start panicking and run in more of them

[gilded elm]

I feel like I play PoB more than PoE sometimes lol

[fierce moth]

lol I never imagine I even play tower defence in a ARPG

[gilded elm]

Blight? Yeah it's not bad, and the rewards are good too. You get a bunch of different oils from Blight which you can use to anoint an amulet. Anointing automatically grants you a passive node specific to the recipe you used. For example if you wanted access to this passive node without needing to path all the way to it, you can anoint an amulet with the recipe shown (Silver, Silver, Golden) and it allocates that passive for you.

Blight is only one of the many end game activities you can focus on, there's a bunch of other really good/useful ones too. I really like Betrayal specifically for the veiled mods.

Too many things to do in this damn game that are fun (for me personally) like Betrayal, Delve, Harvest, Blight, Expedition and a little bit of Legion and Breach.

[hexed stream]

that's why so many people love this game

but I love poe2 more

[desert jasper]

I ran soo breach so much this league

And delve too
really liked ritual in earlier leagues but it got really dangerous with the new monster additions

[hexed stream]

was it good, I was sad that the chayula scarab was removed, was doing tons of breach last league

[desert jasper]

Yeah it was pretty solid
Was doing Viper Strike of the mamba and the poison prolif just killed them all

It was especially fun when a boss spawned and a bunch of monsters near it died to poisonand the boss suddenly got instantly killed by the poison

[tawny sand]

what you guys rolling for the d4 expansion? I think i might do sorc just cause that's what i did at launch

and do spiritborn second

[sand wigeon]

I’d probably go spiritborn or rogue. I can’t afford the DLC, though.

[gilded elm]

I'm a rogue main but definitely will try Spiritborn first

[karmic nimbus]

spiritborn overtuned so much its hard to make it

but im starting with dance of knives propably

[hexed stream]

raxx literally said spiritborn = x5 of the next 2 best classes > sorc/druid/barb

[junior oyster]

No matter what class they release I'm only playing sorc

Necro maybe as an alternative but nothing else

[fierce moth]

do there no limit on which games you add in your page?

tons of games I never heard unfortunately 😅

[tawny sand]

idk what app that is, i've never seen it

[fierce moth]

Nexus, a platform for connection between content creators and game studios

https://www.nexus.gg/
Trusted by EHG 👀

🤔 alright...Then how to promote my nexus account is my business. Everything is ready. Go back to play poe

I must work more hard to do more fan arts for different games to gain my reputation...A long process

lol no way...Only games I can recognize and has played is heal, superliminal and last epoch only

oh layers of fear! That's an impressive horror adventure game

pathfinder is heard and played but not interested in the gameplay

[astral pawn]

Hi guys, how are you doing ^^

[junior oyster]

Hey

[tawny sand]

hello

[tawny sand]

oh gotcha, i've never seen it before

kind of confusing they named it nexus, easy to mix up with nexus mods

[fierce moth]

🤭 ...BUY! But why am I buy your game? Ok...It looks so cool actually

[tawny sand]

lol, ACG rates games on a Buy/Sale/Pass basis. So "buy" is his highest review score i guess

[indigo shadow]

Man, suddenly I want to play BL3

[hexed stream]

Wut game is that

[desert jasper]

BL3? borderlands 3 I guess

[fierce moth]

🔥 First time to do exclusive banner for profile page. Thanks for Nexus lol

Such a pity that I can't use the banner on ins

[fierce moth]

I feel the top banner is a bit boring because of different picture size though. The bottom one is better

[dark blade]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLzxuIfD9rU&ab_channel=tomcardy this will get stuck in your head for the next 10 years Cha cha cha

[indigo shadow]

I am really tempt to re-play V Rising, playing V Rising solo is boring and sad. 😦

[fierce moth]

Any rules for judging which gem is more value? No idea which one should I pick this time...

[karmic nimbus]

Base gems has no value at low levels/without +1 corrupt

U can buy all those gems in act6 vendor

[desert jasper]

Both are good
I like hexblast
just needs curses linked to it

[indigo shadow]

I regret going to r/techsupportgore today

[fierce moth]

this is the problem. Both of them is good but I only can select one :(

I hate this case so much hahhhhh...I want both of them only

[indigo shadow]

I'm thinking the way Gamers are stubborn using Epic Launcher is amazing.

[desert jasper]

I'd pick hexblast
Both are good but I'd still pick hexblast

You can also buy them from npc in the town after getting the reward

[tawny sand]

aren't there a few vendors that sell all the skill gems? can try stuff later on

i don't remember where they are though

[karmic nimbus]

act3 library and act6 town after you do quest

[desert jasper]

the library doesn't even sell all of them

[karmic nimbus]

not all but most

[desert jasper]

Yeah
Most of the ones you'd want / need

[fierce moth]

I must say Lunaris temple is the biggest labyrinth which I had walked

😢 3x size of temporal sanctum

[desert jasper]

Lunaris temple is cool
anyway, time to sleep for me

[fierce moth]

thanks, my difficulty in choosing gems is more now

I need to go to bed too...👋

[fierce moth]

What I appreciated poe the most on gameplay is the currency system.
So cool to pay different goods by different materials (different orbs) then max the value of all materials.
LE can improve this area. These shards are useless after I stored them a lot...Why not let them being the only currency for exchanging something 🤔

I'm so happy on playing a game which not use golds to buy something I need

[hexed stream]

Well if you know, you know
There's a good reason humankind moved from bartering goods, to using money as common currency

The problem is not gold, problem is the role of gold in the game, how omnipresent it is

[fierce moth]

Booked promised weekend streams from a streamer about poe 2! Hyped to watch

Although most of le streamers must stream poe 2 I bet.

[hexed stream]

Be more confident, replace most with all

Can't miss out on the hype train

[fierce moth]

The most trouble thing is I need to check out how to get the access

I need to do one more fan art for LE before poe 2's hype wave is live

hah alright GGG don't have the own ins account so...The only gaslight is on the reddit.

[sand wigeon]

I mean, LE hasn't had any significant changes since, like... 0.8. I don't blame them for wanting to try something new.

[hexed stream]

Pay to participate, they already said that, and then it becomes f2p after a few months

[hexed stream]

I don't blame anyone for streaming a different game, whatever is legal and earn them money

[fierce moth]

Yeah earn enough money by single game only is super rare and need lots of luck for streamers... EHG know it clearly

[fierce moth]

Wait...I realize dungeon gameplay in le is inspired from this one once I see that 🤔
Interesting to try how the origin one works!

[fierce moth]

Congratulations to myself, gain the chance to re-enter six mazes again hahaha (Damn the boss inside the labyrinth is too insane because of too many minions surround it then I even no chance to close to him)

[sand wigeon]

I don’t think I’ve ever noticed minions when fighting Izaro. There’s also different mechanics Izaro can roll. What skill are you using?

[fierce moth]

I destroyed mirrors at first when I challenged it for the second time but still be slain because I took too much damage...Hah

I only can increase my armor and energy shield so far

[fierce moth]

Can say it's a dot build

[sand wigeon]

You should probably try focusing on one skill and scaling that, not multiple

Hexblast mines (IDK what it is in your language if you’ve swapped it) are probably your best language

[fierce moth]

First unique item I get

Affixes aren't good enough though

[fierce moth]

Hexblast cost lots of mana then I out of mana quickly is current issue

I wonder any ways to gain mana from hitting enemies

lol The origin of manacharged node in static orb's skill tree is found

[tawny sand]

is the main rewards from the D4 raid cosmetics? Like you don't need to do it to target farm or anything? I was looking up more info about its rewards and didn't see much

[fierce moth]

Just done the combat with Dominus, I want to say drop items during the combat is pure bad idea. Blocks my controls and increase the misclick chance a lot

[sand wigeon]

That’s good!

[sand wigeon]

The way Deias usually does this with Hexblast is linking it to a bunch of mine supports, obtaining Clarity and capping it at around level eight, and linking detonate mines to automate.

Mine supports: various gems that support mines when linked.
Clarity: an aura (reserves mana or life) skill gem that constantly generates mana.
Detonate mines: a skill that detonates your mines when activated.
Automate: automatically uses whatever skill it’s linked to.

[twilit mountain]

To further explain: Hexblast + Charged Mines + Increased Critical Strikes + Blastchain Mines is the typical 4L setup for early Hexblast Mines if i remember correctly

[sand wigeon]

[sand wigeon]

why thank ye, deias, ye olde basher of bosses

[fierce moth]

Not hear charged mines and blastchain mines yet

Ok not skill gems I can confirm

I just want to know which skill is it

[karmic nimbus]

you detonate your mines with that

[fierce moth]

I mean the skill name, I want to search this gem

[karmic nimbus]

its not gem

it appears when you equip mine skill

tho there is skill gem also with same name i forgot

https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Detonate_Mines

[fierce moth]

https://poedb.tw/us/Skill_Gems?query=storm oh I don't find this gem in this website

which is mine skill...god 😂

questions are too much to ask

[karmic nimbus]

wiki is better for searching

[fierce moth]

Then I'm confused how to get these recipes, click the first one, divination card...Fine I don't know this thing yet because it's appeared since the beginning of act 4, where my progress on

🤭 I guess I can start to think where my build will go until I done act 6

[karmic nimbus]

this is right place to see

forget those div cards

[fierce moth]

lol my guessing is right
Act 6 Fallen from grace

Let me check out if it's available on the town of act 3. Ok, no. See it in act 6.

Each maps per act is quite big to explore and find targeted people or bosses then cost much time.

emmmm do the max bonus of quality for armor is 20%?

[fierce moth]

...I want to know what happened only. Luminous enemies who looks like that are appeared and they're too much so they can kill me in 1 sec :(

[desert jasper]

One of those has invulnerability aura that it turns on some times
It does disappear after a short time

[karmic nimbus]

delve darkness kills you in seconds

stay near cart and light

[desert jasper]

Yeah, that too

[fierce moth]

These luminous spiders are too amazing...Their nets trap and kill me instantly

I wonder how to kill them quickly now...My damage is dot so needs time but they doesn't give me time at all so...

[desert jasper]

I probably wouldn't go to Delve right away when you can

[karmic nimbus]

Yea you clearly dont know mechanics down there so leave it for now

[fierce moth]

oh yeah I leave it here and lay on the bed and fall asleep lol

[hexed stream]

well if you try it again tomorrow, the same thing will happen

[fierce moth]

lmaooooooo what can I do...I'm depressed

The main difficulty of I play poe is I don't know how to aoe really then I must be slain if enemies are too much 😢

I just suicide myself once I enter the arena. Nothing I can do...

[mental talon]

Also Im not sure if anyone has told you yet but defenses/resistances are REALLY important in PoE

If you ignore them you will find yourself getting walled quite early and often as you go through the acts more and more enemies gain elemental damage types etc.

[desert jasper]

Also you should have more hp

[fierce moth]

The tricky point in poe is enemies do physical damage but no physical resistance...Only reduce physical damage. The same meaning though...But I can't find anything can reduce physical damage 😵

I gave up blight and use the recommended combo, contagion + essence drain. AOE become better now

[sand wigeon]

A lot of enemies deal elemental damage

You want your resistances capped

(75%)

[fierce moth]

lol I wonder what's going on...I go to a big arena suddenly then must kill groups of enemies and I don't know where to go after clear all enemies

hah the arena journey is over finally. I hate my characters move very slowly indeed...That quicksilver flask suppose to not work in boss combat?

[desert jasper]

It does work with bosses too
Just that it has limited charges and you don't get the charges back during a boss fight

[fierce moth]

21 charges I have

Too less...How to increase the charges amount

🙃 ...700+ms delay within the combat then always be slain because of the lag

But poe Chinese version can't switch to English

lol 10K+ ms delay will cause my character died by burning but no death reminder. Then it's up to 20k+ms and out of connection

Sigh...This is the weakness of playing an online game. Always have to deal with internet issue...Offline mode in le is a big achievement definitely after I have experienced the pain of always died by the lag.
🙏

I don't know why Autralia server can't be connected so I can select London only

[gilded elm]

What do you mean? Seems to work for me?

If that doesn't work, then there's also the NZ server which is probably the next closest.

Doing damage and taking damage are definitely one of the trickiest things to learn in PoE as a new player. Getting one shot without fully understanding why is definitely one of the more frustrating experiences while learning the game.

Also for flasks, if you want better uptime, you'll need to invest into them probably in your passive skill tree. Some ascendencies make flask uptime easier, like Pathfinder (Ranger).

[gilded elm]

Don't be afraid to use Alteration orbs on your flasks to roll the mods you need, as well.

[hexed stream]

shouldn't japan server be the closest to you if you play international poe version?

many times singapore server is unstable as hell, I turn on vpn, choose japan host, and connect to japan server, very stable that way with around 100ms, and I'm sure I'm ways further from japan server than you
currently using a free vpn called softether

[twilit mountain]

Armor reduces the physical damage you take, but it scales weirdly and is hard to get if you aren't on the left side of the tree.

[sand wigeon]

You start off getting flask charges by killing enemies. Later on you can craft stuff onto them that allows you to recover them on a critical strike, for example.

[fierce moth]

Yeah that's odd. European regions will have lower ping.

[hexed stream]

I still suggest you use vpn, whenever you want to connect to a server, you use vpn first to connect to that country, that will help stabilize the ping a lot more than without vpn, I learn it after days or trial and error

also, you play poe china or poe international version? the 2 are drastically different

[fierce moth]

I must use VPN haha because Chinese internet can do nothing on international games, apps and websites

HongKong is the region I select for vpn

[fierce moth]

Yeah I figured it out later, if the bottle become black, it mean I need to kill enemies to charge it at first. Only avaialble in some green in the bottle

Then it's not friendly in combats which single target only

[fierce moth]

I unlock nothing yet...The origin one can spend lots of time to explore already 😅 I guess it's relevant to the lord's labyrinth

[sand wigeon]

ooo that is a messy passive tree

[hexed stream]

idk, this looks like a guide is needed

[sand wigeon]

nah, just some discussion

[fierce moth]

0 refunding points 😵

[sand wigeon]

generally how people build their passive tree is by getting to the outer ring as fast as possible. since the travel nodes (the smaller points you can select to get around) are more spread out, it means you can be more efficient with your passive points

so for example, if you really wanted these nodes, this would be a better way to path

this way you're spending less points on less impactful stuff

[sand wigeon]

you can buy them pretty easily. i can also probably find someone to hop in and give you some

i might have some in standard

[sand wigeon]

for example, this is much more efficient pathing

a lot of the small nodes you have simply aren't needed. there's some cases when they're great, but usually you want to get to large nodes with as little investment as possible

are you playing with a shield?

keep in mind i'm no expert, but i'm willing to help where i can

[maiden widget]

you also really need to pick up life nodes that are close early on

you can easily respec with gold until late in the campaign if needed

[sand wigeon]

depends

witch might want go CI (chaos inoculation. it’s a node that sets your life to 1, but makes it so chaos damage cannot penetrate energy shield)

but usually i recommend respeccing into CI later in

[fierce moth]

😆 emmm You can understand my route on passive net is free to go yeah. I go anywhere when I find a node which maybe useful then I turn the direction so many branches on my route

[twilit mountain]

CI is a late game thing, you never take CI until you have the endgame gear for it. No matter what class. Also, Witch isn't actually very good for CI anymore.

[gilded elm]

CI requires considerable energy shield investment that can only really be obtained later on AFAIK

Such as Trickster energy leech

[fierce moth]

So what can I do is increased spell damage now?

[twilit mountain]

Yup. I didn't take CI on my Trickster until I had at least T2 ES rolls on every slot.

[sand wigeon]

interesting

[gilded elm]

Early max life nodes can be really helpful for scaling your max life % until you get better max life rolls on gear

[desert jasper]

I've about 6k ES on my Trickster but still haven't gone CI
Would need to change my skill tree a lot and I'm just... not really feeling it

But I'm thinking of maybe starting a duelist and going glad
maybe bleed bow or lacerate

[sand wigeon]

+50 max life mastery my beloved

[desert jasper]

Sadly nerfed to +30

[sand wigeon]

yeah but gear life is crazy now so

[fierce moth]

I don't know the order of status I'll want in early games. Intelligence? Strength? Dexterity? Spell damage? Attack speed? Cast speed? Energy field? Life? Mana?...

[sand wigeon]

entirely unrelated. what sauces do y’all like with popcorn chicken or chicken tenders or whatevs

[twilit mountain]

I had 11k before I clicked CI, and then got to 13k in my finished product

[sand wigeon]

generally a mix of multiple stuff. you can pretty safely ignore strength, dex and int unless you need it to meet requirements early

[desert jasper]

You don't want attack speed for spells at all
Unless you are doing cast on crit build

[sand wigeon]

don’t try and scale that to the moon or anything

[sand wigeon]

yeah, attack speed is only for attacks, but hexblast is a spell

[gilded elm]

You only need Attack Speed for a Wand build if you are using a Wand Attack skill, there's very few of those.

I only recently learned that Frenzy can actually be used with Wands lol

But Spells use Cast Speed instead of Attack Speed.

https://pathofexile.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_skill_gems_usable_with_wands These are the possible attack skills that you can use with wands

[sand wigeon]

i think i might make a standard ‘secret sauce’ thing

[twilit mountain]

It's kinda janky, pretty much only used as a Spellslinger proc with wands. Otherwise it gets shoved in a Manaforged Arrows setup for bow users. The transfiguration version for melee goes pretty hard though, it just basically requires Ralakesh.

[desert jasper]

There are also ways to get attacks to scale with increased spell dmg

[fierce moth]

For the refunding point, yeah i can purchase it but I don't have enough orb of chance to exchange orb of scouring to exchange orb of regret so I only can stick on here

[gilded elm]

Yeah I've only been using Frenzy myself with Manaforged Arrows for generating frenzy charges in my bow build

[sand wigeon]

noooo don’t buy them from traders

you buy from players

[twilit mountain]

Ah damn, Kirra doesn't have Faustus.

Common Standard L

[sand wigeon]

oh damn

[gilded elm]

Yeah sucks, Standard doesn't have the Currency Exchange lol

[sand wigeon]

yeah standard moment

[fierce moth]

Then I don't unlock the market yet

[sand wigeon]

there is no market

this season introduced the currency exchange with the new mechanic, which lets you trade currencies easily

[twilit mountain]

You don't unlock a market. Unlike LE, you have to go onto a website to trade items. In Settlers league we have an NPC for currency trading but it isn't in Standard yet.

[sand wigeon]

yeah

[gilded elm]

The Currency Exchange is a "league mechanic" as in it's a special feature that only exists in the Challenge Leagues.

[sand wigeon]

yo roomy you want

[gilded elm]

But there's a very good chance the feature will be adopted into the base game later on.

[fierce moth]

emmmmmm so it's time to create a new character again to play the game?

[gilded elm]

To be fair, when you create a new character for the first time, I think it recommends to you to play the Challenge League. You have to choose standard which you maybe did lol

[twilit mountain]

Yea

[sand wigeon]

i mean no you can play just fine, there’s just a little less convenience

[fierce moth]

You have to choose standard which you maybe did lol
?

[sand wigeon]

people still trade the normal way constantly, since it’s the only way to trade gear

[sand wigeon]

when you create a character you’re given a choice between the current league or standard

[fierce moth]

I wonder how long the league will last and if it's the end of the league now

[sand wigeon]

it’s going for like 5 more months or smth

[gilded elm]

I don't think this league will end soon because PoE 2 early access is Nov 15

[sand wigeon]

yeah

[gilded elm]

If they did a new league now, it would be a very short league

So I think Settlers will be around for a while

[twilit mountain]

It's gonna be a long one. I'd wager December or January for next league at the soonest.

[gilded elm]

I don't mind though, this league has been great

[sand wigeon]

kingsmarch is awesome

they added fishing…

[fierce moth]

🤔 hah Ok...I need to play a character from zero again then...Made too many mistakes on the first class actually

[twilit mountain]

Gives me plenty of time to mess about in Torchlight's season in a few weeks and then hit PoE2 beta next month, on top of being able to jump back to PoE1 league to knock out anything that catches my eye.

[sand wigeon]

mistakes are to be made

nothing to be worried about

[gilded elm]

You dont have to, but you miss out on a lot of cool stuff they added this league which makes it VERY easy for new players. Like you can respec very cheaply with gold in the league.

[fierce moth]

Yeah this is the biggest mistake lol

Not complete the campaign so enough unknown contents which worth to explore is left

[sand wigeon]

tbf the campaign is the literal start of the game

[gilded elm]

If you do make a new character, there's a lot of good build guides that will teach you as well if you want some guidance on how to spend your skill points and how to obtain gear.

https://www.poe-vault.com/

[sand wigeon]

yeah, if you aren’t comfy freeballing it there are guides

but make sure to understand why you’re taking the things you are

or doing things in a certain way

i think if i’d followed guides i wouldn’t really get how to build my own thing

[gilded elm]

Generally agree, but I think people can be prone to information overload with games as complex as this. Eager to learn, they try to learn everything and end up only learning a little bit of everything instead of a lot of something.

[sand wigeon]

yeah discussing with people helped me a lot

[gilded elm]

Build guides provide railing for you to lean on and give you a way to dismiss or ignore things that aren't relevant to the build you are trying to play.

[sand wigeon]

@twilit mountain got me into the game a few years ago so i’ve been able to discuss with them the entire time

• now i’m in a small community server of arpg players so i can talk with all of them

i just think discussion is super important because it’s so oft’ i see someone following a guide and asking basic questions about gearing and stuff because they’re just mindlessly doing what the guide tells them to do

[gilded elm]

Yeah if you wanna actually learn then don't just blindly follow a guide, of course. Ask questions and people will help. Still good for some folks to have some kind of anchor or goal to work towards which also makes discussion easier as well.

[sand wigeon]

indeed

[desert jasper]

Irl friend introduced me to PoE in like... 2012 but I didn't start playing until early 2013

[twilit mountain]

I stumbled into it on Twitch right at the start of Bestiary and have been playing since

[desert jasper]

I didn't play most of the early leagues tbh
my computer back then was absolutely terrible

[sand wigeon]

twitch user.

[desert jasper]

But I remember getting a mirror shard and a few fishing rods in harbinger league
and a friend of mine was jealous and I gave them to him... because had no idea of their value lul

[sand wigeon]

fishiiiiiiing

bad on the friend for not telling you damn

[twilit mountain]

Tbf, mirrors were much less value back then

[desert jasper]

Yeah, don't keep in touch with that dude anymore
and yeah, mirrors weren't as valuable back then

[twilit mountain]

In the real old days you could buy a mirror for like 15ex and a bunch of gumball

[sand wigeon]

buying mirrors fir 20 alch

ruthless life

[junior oyster]

I don't know why I got hooked to poe during pokemon league but that was the first time I properly played

[sand wigeon]

pokemon league?

[junior oyster]

Think I did around 100 hours or so

[twilit mountain]

Bestiary

[sand wigeon]

oh

[junior oyster]

Before that every time I tried the game I couldn't go past the halfway point of a1

[sand wigeon]

i just burnout on arpg’s so fast

dunno why

[junior oyster]

Been playing sts mostly especially when I'm bored

[sand wigeon]

i’ve been playing a lot of singleplayer stuff and battlefield

working on modding skyrim rn

[twilit mountain]

Been jumping games as needed. TLI (wanna get the pass out of the way before next season, I know I'm a loser), BL3 with Dream, Battlefield also with Dream, been thinking of starting Slime Rancher 2.

[sand wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/borderlands-borderlands2-borderlands3-lilith-lilith-borderlands-gif-26358773

oh right it doesn’t embed

[desert jasper]

I've played a little bit of Darktide with friends
But haven't done any with random players

[sand wigeon]

i have a friend who looooves darktide lmao

[desert jasper]

tbh I hate how long the loading screens are
and how much tutorial there is in the start

[sand wigeon]

(i’ve never played it to clarify)

i got vermintide for free and gave it a shot but it wasn’t for me

[desert jasper]

Yeah, I didn't especially like vermintide

[sand wigeon]

i generally don’t enjoy a lot of those co-op vs pve horde games

i loved helldivers 1 for its twin-stick gameplay but i tried helldivers 2 and it was very underwhelming for me

[desert jasper]

Never played helldivers
either one of them

[fierce moth]

....A new question I meet is I can't kill all monsters here because it's stuck with the corrupted flower... 2 monsters remain 🙃

[sand wigeon]

you don't need to do those! those are seasonal mechanics

[gilded elm]

If the flowers are dead then you prob missed monsters somewhere else

This is probably my least favorite story quest in the whole game for me, I hate "kill all monsters" quests and I always miss one or two as well

[fervent hazel]

kek we were drinking with a friend of mine and he bought wo long fallen dynasty when he was supposed to buy that wukong monkey game. Is there any way to refund on playstation?

[desert jasper]

Probably need to contact their support about it.

[ebon meadow]

Campaign in Poe is literally an introduction to the game just very long that's why we do it as fast as posible ,i have 7 k hours it still takes me just over 6 hours at league start

After second char etc always go faster u can get twink gear . Just couple of things to consider ,Res cap before act 6 and capped all the way after and upgrade gear as u go sometime blue is better than yellow

Ohh also a tip u can craft stuff like Res very early as soon as u get your hideout

[sand wigeon]

we are so back. got the modded lighting working in skyrim

[indigo shadow]

I'm not bothered with this game anymore, hate bad builds

[fierce moth]

No idea why the enable one and unenable one remind me of layers of fear...

I'm doubt that they've used the same techique now

[sand wigeon]

(this is also with 2k textures for... everything)

[hexed stream]

d4 soon TM anyone?

[karmic nimbus]

Global Launch. Localized time: <t:1728342000:F> (<t:1728342000:R>)

perfect time for me to go to sleep and to work next morning

[tawny sand]

i'm looking forward to it

been playing Grim Dawn again while i wait

[fierce moth]

another day which tortured by high ping 🙃

I wish I can live on Europe really

[hexed stream]

got nothing to do with europe, I play with low ping constantly

you need to try to connect to that japan server, that's your best shot to low ping

for d4, that would be korean server that's the closest to you I believe

[tawny sand]

i thought PoE had a china client?

[desert jasper]

It does

[fierce moth]

🤔 oh Let's wait this event...A bunch of new games coming soon

[junior oyster]

Same lol. I most likely play it properly on the weekend...

Wish they had released it on Friday last week.

[thorn nacelle]

Wo long extra lime please

Steam is the best about refunds btw 2 hours play the game if not good just refund. Ez clap
About Playstation always Support in order to refund a game.

[tawny sand]

looks sick, makes me kind of want to play again. What ENB did you use?

[tawny sand]

delayed https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/d4/t/adjustment-and-delay-to-vessel-of-hatred-launch-start-time/191713

[hexed stream]

a p2w version I heard

better play international version still

[orchid tundra]

D4 VOH delayed at least a couple of hours

LAWL

[hexed stream]

eat, rest, exercise, whatever guys