📚┃off-topic

[gloomy willow]

she*

[junior oyster]

Lol just play normal mode then

You can get to 100 in normal now too

[gloomy willow]

yeah but i still have to go through elite and ultimate to then get to endgame

[junior oyster]

🫠

[copper pawn]

and I tell you a feature where GD is ways better than poe or any arpg on the market: it can now auto use buffs when buffs expire

[junior oyster]

That can be a negative too. Since some people had more than one ultimate skill that they would swap depending on circumstance

[gloomy willow]

i personally dont mind that ill never play GD again, its not a problem for me 😅 ive made my peace with it lol

[junior oyster]

But yea that would be about the only negative

[copper pawn]

ultimate are perma buff, so they don't count, only durational buff

[junior oyster]

Fair enough. I tried factorio, played it for about 10 minutes and never touching it again

[gloomy willow]

i had fun with it the times i played, im just so burned out over the first couple of acts. Still played GD for 155h lol

Factoria looks ugly, im not touching it 🤣

[copper pawn]

and I heard it can roast your computer

[junior oyster]

1.3k for me and got nearly 1.5k in poe

[gloomy willow]

i probably got around 1k hours in poe too, maybe more cuz i play it mostly on their standalone client and only clocked 665h on steam

[junior oyster]

I play both these games on and off

I got around 2k hours in D3

Mostly with Wizard though

[copper pawn]

poe is not even playable on steam in my country, got blocked

[gloomy willow]

im officially done with poe, its just not fun and hasnt been for a few years.

the only good thing about poe1 is that the payments are shared between first and second game, which in theory could mean that i get the same amount of stashtabs in the second game as in the first 😂 but thats probably just wishful thinking

[copper pawn]

err not wishful thinking, I think they confirmed that already

[eternal sky]

they confirmed that from the start

also PoE is plenty of fun

if you say it hasnt been for years

you're just wrong

the game is constantly going above and beyond the previous version of it constantly every league

[twilit mountain]

Discord users when they learn what subjectivity is

[eternal sky]

idk its weird to say PoE hasnt been for a few years

when a few years in PoE

completely changes the game

[twilit mountain]

If they didn't enjoy the core game a few years ago they aren't going to magically enjoy it now. It adds more content, yes, but the core game doesn't change.

[eternal sky]

the core game is you killing mobs

thats the core game

you kill shit

get gear

thats every arpg

thats the core of the game

[twilit mountain]

sigh alright, bud

[eternal sky]

if you dont like that then you just dont like arpgs?

like whats the core game of PoE?

kill shit get loot

gems etc passive tree etc is just more stuff for you to kill more shit and get more loot

[placid yarrow]

Maybe they just don't enjoy mapping and the other core systems of the endgame

[eternal sky]

even then mapping has changed severely

since years ago

[placid yarrow]

Yeah maybe they don't like those changes

[eternal sky]

ive never talked to anyone

who liked the elder and shaper

map system

0 people

[placid yarrow]

I'm not saying I feel the same as them

But people can have unpopular opinions

[eternal sky]

its probs just one of those

baseline complaints about something pointless

it normally is

[placid yarrow]

Maybe so

But if they don't enjoy it then that's that right lol

[gloomy willow]

Personally, when they added the watchtowers gems bs to the mapaystem, they killed it for me. No matter what strategy I trued, could never get to red maps. And the seasons are fun for like a week and then they are boring. There is just too much, economy sucks and crafting is too complicated and poe is just overall too timeconsuming with barely any fun to it

[gloomy willow]

You may call it pointless, but for me my feelings matter. If something is boring, im not going to play it.

[copper pawn]

@twilit mountain chef, if I have to pick between minion dmg vs minion lightning dmg for ghastly eye, which should zi take? Since having both is ways too expensive

[twilit mountain]

I'd plug both into PoB and figure out which is more. Better than that though is see if you can't make one.

[copper pawn]

Fragments, bound fossils or just basic currencies?

[twilit mountain]

May I direct you to craftofexile.com?

[copper pawn]

It also tells you which crafting is the best?

[twilit mountain]

You just kinda run it through the selections and see which is most effective

It is gonna be a little pricy as a craft regardless, but much cheaper than buying. I would honestly say probably don't worry about the flat life if you don't end up hitting it, yeah you'll lose some life but like.... provided you get the other defensive things that life won't be make or break.

[eternal sky]

ah

soo it was baeline complaints that dont matter

economy does not impact you the slightest

you not getting to red maps def a skill issue

watchstone system in PoE was actually soo good

i sat in 1 area and just farmed harbis all league

rolled my stones and sold tons of others

also im psure crafting back in that league was really simple

[waxen sonnet]

Did you guys know that Gavriel likes poe?

[eternal sky]

like crafting in PoE has never been complicated unless you're going for an item that makes the crafting process complicated

otherwise its legit smashing rocks on an item

[gloomy willow]

Oh no, another person has a different opinion than me? Better insult them and then say its their own fault they are not having fun with it cuz I enjoy it and that should matter to everyone 🤣

[eternal sky]

like most crafting these days is just get fractured itme

roll with essences

i mean ur opinion is outdated

and considering what you type

[gloomy willow]

Oh here it comes guys

[eternal sky]

i mean you asked for an arpg in 2023

poe is your option

PoE is going to probs be the only option for a very long time too

[placid yarrow]

Excuse me sir it's 2024

[eternal sky]

oh fuck

its 2024

[placid yarrow]

Point invalidated

Argument destroyed

[eternal sky]

like grimdawns cool the expac is gonna be cool

same with epoch

but epochs years behind

[gloomy willow]

I asked for a new arpg that came out in 2023

[eternal sky]

PoE is indeed new

[placid yarrow]

Poe 2 babyyyyy

[eternal sky]

reinvents itself every other league

you aint getting any more new then that

[placid yarrow]

If you get into the closed beta that is

[eternal sky]

we just got 180 new skill gems to fuck around with this league

[waxen sonnet]

Epic fail. You just lost all credibility.

[eternal sky]

truly

[placid yarrow]

Yup

[waxen sonnet]

You can kindly leave now

[eternal sky]

there sadly just wont be another good Arpg that will release

the market just isnt there for profit

you got blizzard with d4

since you dont like grim dawn dont like diablo

ur cut to only PoE and Epoch atm

[gloomy willow]

Its still the same shit for me. I dont like it anymore. If I did, Id play it 🤣 and sure, my opinions may be outdated but that doesnt make them less validated. The map changes might have been great for you, but its still subjective.

[eternal sky]

the current map system is way better

[gloomy willow]

I never said i didnt like diablo, i said i didnt like the price

[eternal sky]

then watchstones every was

i highly doubt ur gonna enjoy d4

[gloomy willow]

I played it during beta, it was fun but not 70dollars fun

[eternal sky]

ah so you played lvl 25 char

[gloomy willow]

Not for me, its annoying

[eternal sky]

i didnt play d4 at all

[placid yarrow]

Level 10 and level 100 is the same in that game

[eternal sky]

legit

hitting same abil

from lvl 1

[placid yarrow]

No joke I've been there done that

[eternal sky]

[placid yarrow]

It's so bad

[eternal sky]

i watched like some rogue gameplay or w/e

same fucking skill

from lvl like 5

to 100

[placid yarrow]

Yup

[eternal sky]

soo hilarious

[placid yarrow]

And everything scales with you

So you literally feel 0 change

[eternal sky]

yea

i watched alotof the discussion vids n stuff

about d4

actually just too many issues in that game

[placid yarrow]

They need to redo itemization and I'd prefer if they got rid of the scaling

And all the skill trees and paragon boards need redone too

[eternal sky]

the whole game needs to be remade

D5 surely

[placid yarrow]

Watch they're gonna come out with a 100 bucks dlc that solves like 1/4'th of the issues to make everyone buy it

[eternal sky]

this current map system is the best

you can quite literally just rng a red map from kirac

or a random drop from some mechanic

and perma sustain reds

off that 1 red map

from literally white maps

[placid yarrow]

NGL i don't enjoy mapping in Poe that much, I like delving and heisting more no joke lol

[gloomy willow]

Good for you, enjoy it 😄

[eternal sky]

mapping is w/e

i normally do rotations of invites

like do 4 guardians with niko

do the invitation

go do my like 40k juice

rinse repeat

that was what i did last league

[placid yarrow]

Nah I like to just drill one thing

When I'm heisting I'll literally never leave the dock

[eternal sky]

thats just the bestway to do delve ngl

boss rushing alongside maven influence

[placid yarrow]

Do contracts, get loot, sell loot, buy contracts, rinse and repeat

For delve you delve for like 2 hours

Do like 3 maps in 5 minutes

And go back to delving

[eternal sky]

ye the atlas points gotta go somewhere

get sulphite on map complete anyways

ez combo

[placid yarrow]

Yup

[eternal sky]

feels soo good just doing bosses all day

go beat up a invitation go beatup an aul

i got 6 aul ammys last league

0 good ones

my guidly got 6 aul ammys

got like 1 envy 3 determs

n some other good ones

like week 1/2 of the league

[placid yarrow]

Lol

NGL i don't even Id mine usually

[eternal sky]

i id everything use everything

if im poor oh well

open that valdo box baby

open that key

get me that 1c

open all my stacked dicks normally on the spot

[waxen sonnet]

Stacked dicks 👀

[eternal sky]

donut stacking?

[maiden widget]

valdo boxes only gave me shit so far

[eternal sky]

thats the point

[maiden widget]

surely one day a mageblood pops up

[eternal sky]

surely

[warped wren]

funny thing

I loaded up my Molten Strike Champ in Standard to test out the new Molten Strike of the Zenith

downed Uber Exarch in 3.5 seconds

very cool

[eternal sky]

yea

[maiden widget]

wanted to make bama bow and ended up with a pretty good poison ele bow with dual dot mult. Chris taketh and giveth

[eternal sky]

ez

time to go caustic bow build

instead

[maiden widget]

got another build cooking on pf but yeah an option

[eternal sky]

yea im thinking of doing penance brand on my PF

i got a 21 penance lvl 4 empower

6l light coil etc

dunno if i wanna go cold or poison tho

poison looks nice cus asneth pops and the prolif

[junior oyster]

Go fire

[maiden widget]

i kinda like direct dmg nowadays

poison is strong but the delay can suck a bit

[eternal sky]

penance brand is kinda dumb for poison ngl

since it scales with duration

soo you just slap like 12 second brands

with like 50 activations

[maiden widget]

nice

[eternal sky]

but yea hitbased is dumb too

you use 2x nebulis melding etc

[eternal sky]

funny enough im basicly half fire half light

on my penance brand inquis

using herald of ash + awakened added fire

im basicly a pathfinder on my inquis anyways

using lightcoil a topaz flask and taste of hate

[junior oyster]

Yea I don't know any of that shit lol

I only said fire as a joke

[eternal sky]

my chaso res do be lackin

[junior oyster]

Holy shit this league is all about D4 players coming to PoE

[eternal sky]

Every time something diablo happens

PoE prospers

from their constant fuckups

its free realstate baby

chris doesnt even need to do anything

[junior oyster]

I mean it's big because streamers get their playerbase into the game

[eternal sky]

eh

EHHHH

its alright but you gotta remember

alot of people watching people play arpgs

already play arpgs

[junior oyster]

True

[eternal sky]

its like a small trickle of players

compared to the like tide

that comes from the fuckups

blizzard does

[junior oyster]

But I'd never play tl infinite or whatever monstrosity bliz created for the mobile

[eternal sky]

yea idk tl infinite looks weird to me

looks like a mobile game

[junior oyster]

Isn't it

[eternal sky]

oh it is

soo ig that makes sense

[junior oyster]

This guy man https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBBaXIqUx7k

[maiden widget]

also plays like a mobile game

tried it a bit and its very very casually tuned

0 difficulty

[eternal sky]

[stable shore]

this guy has a 1 in a billion luck it's insane

[junior oyster]

I mean getting the drops can be explained away because of how much he plays etc but that corrupt success twice in a row... lol

[eternal sky]

bro has the whole ass horse shoved up his ass

at this point

forget the shoe

also fuck you kirac

i can already smell my lost xp

[junior oyster]

Lol

[warped wren]

just gonna leave this here in case anyone is interested
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRQSBVaLIY0&ab_channel=Fubgun

[eternal sky]

[warped wren]

man's currency tab has 24 mirrors, and a mageblood and a half worth of Valdo's Boxes

what an absolute monster

his build alone is 10+ mirrors

[stable shore]

@simple needle quin pf died to offscreen DD

So freaking unlucky

He had corpse removal, was carefull with any dd boss

But he killed a scourge boss in the league mechanic, and agro'ed off screen a dd affliction mob he didn't see

Then it detonated ghor while he was looting it

There was legit 0.1s to react

[eternal sky]

Thats soo hilarious

[warped wren]

that's actually funny

[stable shore]

Tbh i'm sad for him

[warped wren]

Mark and Jonathan's latest interview implied that they're actually aiming to fix enemy DD in PoE1

they agree it's pretty bullshit

[stable shore]

Just remove it

Don't fix it, remove it

[warped wren]

but then you'd have to remove it for players too, which is bad because it is a cool mechanic

mostly they talked about how many instances of it are simply impossible to react to, and that's bad design

not that the mechanic itself is bad design

ngl the latest interview gave me a lot of hope for PoE2, they're crystal clear of a LOT of the problematic stuff in PoE1 and have ideas on solving much of it

[stable shore]

I did appreciate it too

They are really in touch with how poe actually is from players pov

ggg is a great company

[warped wren]

The internet is amazing because people will willingly prove to you how stupid they are given half the chance

[warped wren]

yeah because they actually play their own game, many of them at a very high level

[stable shore]

Yes, they even have giga racer

[twilit mountain]

KB Mahuxotl Deadeye? Slideshow? Based??

[stable shore]

A ggg employee won a demigod on the delirium race, just to shut up people who said it was too hard and ggg didn't test it

[twilit mountain]

When the defense nerfs happened a GGG employee held a top spot as an unascended Marauder

In HCSSF

[stable shore]

I remember that guy

It was a ggf employee ?

[twilit mountain]

What a fucking chad

[stable shore]

I didn't know he was a ggg guy

Tbh i'm so happy ggg devs are god gamers

Because i can count on them to not balance around those redditors cucks

[twilit mountain]

People meme about Chris saying he doesn't always make it to reds, but Chris as far as I know is pretty busy, and I think he's a Ruthless gamer now?

[warped wren]

Chris plays Ruthless as far as he's said in interviews

but like Mark plays SC Trade

[stable shore]

If chris had half the time of your average sweaty gamer to spend in poe he'd probably kill ubers in ruthless

[twilit mountain]

There's two devs locked in an eternal struggle over the balancing of wormblaster builds, I don't remember who exactly though

[stable shore]

so quin managed to loot ralakesh impatience today

he looked for it for days

i wonder what he will cook with it

i hope he will giga abuse them so he can finally go 7/7

[twilit mountain]

Niiice. I got a pair to drop recently as well. Also two uh... what's the green jewel that gives you all unallocated in radius? I got two of those in one map.

[stable shore]

unnatural instinct ?

[twilit mountain]

Yeah that one!

[warped wren]

unique dupe altar?

[twilit mountain]

I knew it started with a U I just couldn't remember anything else

[stable shore]

well i'm just wondering if ralakesh is OP enough for the dogshit skill he will pick to outperform

[twilit mountain]

Nope, just two random drops

[warped wren]

it's hilarious that they're worth 80c each now

[warped wren]

wow that's rare

that's actually quite rare

[stable shore]

damn, that thing used to be 12d

[twilit mountain]

I was thinking of using them just don't know how atm

I think it's just undervalued in current league

[stable shore]

yeah, i'm sure it's because of that

[warped wren]

every unique that is a map drop is worth pennies this league

[stable shore]

how much is MB atm ?

[warped wren]

180 iirc

[twilit mountain]

180 some?

[stable shore]

very cheap indeed

[twilit mountain]

It bounces around from there to 200 or so

[warped wren]

HH has dropped to 100

[stable shore]

as cheap as in standard

[twilit mountain]

I have 50 something raw and then a buncha nonsense I could offload

I have a really good fractured wand base that is supposedly very expensive

[stable shore]

god, not buying a mageblood in std at release was probably my biggest W

it used to be 2 mirrors

but it dropped so freaking fast

[twilit mountain]

Old Hateforge moment

[stable shore]

well hateforge was just too niche to be that costy for long

but we basically got several leagues of mageblood supplies until it became worth nothing

[warped wren]

so last league I had a tattoo'd Molten Strike champ doing Perseverance + aura effect shenanigans

[twilit mountain]

It's just funny to me that last league Hateforge was over 100 at the very end

[warped wren]

I logged in on it today to try Molten Strike of the Zenith

[twilit mountain]

And this league it's like... 14

[stable shore]

isn't it a boss unique ?

[twilit mountain]

Trialmaster yea

[stable shore]

was it OP because of tatoos or something

[twilit mountain]

Nah

[warped wren]

for context, I had done a few Uber Eaters on it and each had taken me about 10-20 seconds to kill, sometimes 30, with the hopping around and stuff

[twilit mountain]

Hateforge has always been expensive as fuck until this league

[stable shore]

i know that thing is busted since the second i saw the gem

[warped wren]

and this was with Phantasmal Smite and Phantasmal Ancestral Protector and other powerful alt quality gems

[stable shore]

i was surprised no one freaked out on its reveal

it's so freaking op

[warped wren]

so today I logged in, slotted in Zenith, swapped some stuff around

[twilit mountain]

What if Inquisidoor Molten Strike of The Zenith

[warped wren]

take a wild guess how long Uber Exarch took

[stable shore]

1sec i guess ?

[warped wren]

3.5

[stable shore]

you can probably one tap it with it

nice

[warped wren]

that skill is obscene

[stable shore]

i'm working on a standard POB with it

i'm sure i can get it to do like 100B dps

[warped wren]

like tbf it's a pretty minmaxed char with +4 proj and a whole bunch of mark effect from tattoos +2 proj from helm enchant

but dood, even still

[stable shore]

the reason it's standard is because i want to make use of the old chain MS jewel

[warped wren]

the difference is insane

[warped wren]

oh boy

[stable shore]

if you optimise with the old chain jewel in std that skill may be the strongest bosser in the entire game

[warped wren]

with Nimis, likely

[stable shore]

litteraly 1 click = dead with good defences

[stable shore]

i started some maths with it

let me find them

i reached 1200 projectile on the fifth hit all landing on the boss iirc

but i'd need to test in game to see if it works the way i think it works

[warped wren]

like if you combine the old jewel, proj tattoos (you can reasonably get up to +6 proj), mark effect tattoos, legacy helm enchant and new Zenith

you can obliterate an Uber literally on spawn, even through that 99% DR or whatever tf they have

[stable shore]

yes

pob was in the hundreds of millions of dps with litteraly nothing aside of the core passive and item

it likely put to shame even the bugged armour stacker body armour

that shit can get you easy 50B+ dps too

[warped wren]

ahh I doubt that, I think that thing is in a league of its own

[stable shore]

well, i'm not 100% sure but it could

[warped wren]

that bug is kinda

[twilit mountain]

Sirs how cursed

[stable shore]

zenith is so OP that it could with all the legacy shit

also i want to see jousis make a molten shell build with the new + gem level body armour

[warped wren]

why Inquis

[stable shore]

because it can litteraly be uber viable

and only a man like jousis can properly build it

[twilit mountain]

Because I have a level 96 Hiero and leveling another character sounds awful right now

[warped wren]

fair enough

[twilit mountain]

I have a 100 Chief, 96 Hiero, 89 Sabo, and 93(?) Deadeye

[warped wren]

thing is if you're Inquis, you'd want to go crit for pen, but that'd take more investment than and be worse-per-div than a Rakiata build

[twilit mountain]

Rakiata isn't real

[warped wren]

you could convert the Chief to a Berserker tbf

[twilit mountain]

I suppose Zerker does exist

[warped wren]

like sure it'd be squish but who cares at that level of damage

[twilit mountain]

But then I lose my mapping character

[warped wren]

you have Deadeye though

[twilit mountain]

Deadeye can't do what I'm invested into safely

[warped wren]

you're doing full juice right?

[twilit mountain]

Aggressively so, yes. And I don't have HH.

[warped wren]

ohh okay

yeah you need funny skull belt for that

[twilit mountain]

Yeah.

Trust me, I tried without it, it does not end well

[warped wren]

I belieb

I tried one juiced t16 with IL, got my cheeks clapped so hard I lost all 6 portals near the spawn point

[twilit mountain]

Yup, that's pretty much how it goes

My chief reached the point where it just stands in the general vicinity of things and doesn't recognize anything is even hurting it

[warped wren]

ironically on another server I'm in

[twilit mountain]

I mean

Yeah

The entire point of it is to not die to anything and the best way to do that is to utilize something that needs you to be hit by something that stuns constantly. So you either end up running RF (worse survival) or CWS shit.

[warped wren]

it's a Bloodnotch-IF build right?

[twilit mountain]

Yup

[warped wren]

• Defiance of Destiny?

[twilit mountain]

Exactly

[warped wren]

or does it use Greatwolf

oh okay

makes sense yeah

[twilit mountain]

Greatwolf is so bad for it

Like yeah you can get one with quant but you lose a huge chunk of survival

Maybe I become an absolute gigachad and buy the most worthless body armor in the game

[warped wren]

Greed's?

[twilit mountain]

Nah Stasis

I have two 6L Greed's for some reason

[warped wren]

either of them 15/45+?

[twilit mountain]

I think one is 15/48

[warped wren]

corrupted?

[twilit mountain]

Not sure, lemme go check

[warped wren]

it's okay, not urgent

if it's uncorrupted I might buy

mine is a +1 14/45, if I can reasonably get a better one myself by brute forcing corruptions, I will

[twilit mountain]

I have another one somewhere I just have no clue where.

WHY AM I A FUCKING CHARM FOR PEOPLE

[placid yarrow]

in what world 😭

[waxen sonnet]

They just dyslexic flipped the words Poe and last epoch there. It's fine

[twilit mountain]

Very confused gamer right there

[daring shore]

i mean he is kind of right

you can dodge most of the attacks by just walking in a circle

around the boss

[twilit mountain]

Every attack in LE is avoidable with enough move speed by just left clicking

[daring shore]

idk about the LE part of that tho

[stable shore]

did he litteraly swap poe and last epoch

[placid yarrow]

i mean he's asking Mike about last epoch so 99% he didn't swap them by accident

[stable shore]

keyword being boss

for anything else you litteraly can't

[daring shore]

oh ye

you are going to eat shit

and have 0 information on what have made you eat shit

[placid yarrow]

yeah they were talking just mobs

[twilit mountain]

Thankfully we have Muffin on the team

[stable shore]

just be immuned and you'll be fine

i guess that's what he meant

if you are skilled enough, you can get immuned and dodge the mechanic

that makes sense now

[placid yarrow]

he's just too advanced of a gamer for me to comprehend

[twilit mountain]

Truly

[stable shore]

probably yes

you just all fucking suck

get good omg

[waxen sonnet]

Get good at sucking

[stable shore]

not all of us are FG abusers who can triviliaze LE content

[waxen sonnet]

That's what I do

[stable shore]

i'm challenger rank at that

[waxen sonnet]

Bitch made

[placid yarrow]

You should have seen Mike's FG in action vs campaign Lagon, it only took 13 minutes

[stable shore]

that's on him

[placid yarrow]

Now that's damage

[stable shore]

FG actually is giga damage

[twilit mountain]

I am convinced it's on purpose

[placid yarrow]

He somehow got him to phase at 3/4th's hp

It was a sight to behold

[stable shore]

forgeguard has numbers, it's just annoying to play

[waxen sonnet]

Cheats. H4x

[stable shore]

tbh he mostly pick whatever skill he wants and roll with it, it rarely ends up in a good build

and i don't think it's what he tries to do anyway

[placid yarrow]

Yeah I mean he isn't really trying anyway he's just slapping stuff together

Tbf he still did better than a lot of people who get stuck in Lagon

He first tried him

[stable shore]

tbh that's a good way to play on a stream

in his position i mean

[placid yarrow]

That first try just took a really, really long time

[stable shore]

he shows you can just chill and complete the game with basically anything you want

[placid yarrow]

Yup

[stable shore]

and LE build customisation is its strongest selling point

[placid yarrow]

That's what i always try to tell people when someone's telling a noob that they need to do all kinds of stuff

Like just dodge his attacks and you beat him ez pz

[stable shore]

well sometime people just really suck

and you have to give them some direction even in campaign

[placid yarrow]

Well then they better practice and get better

[stable shore]

like, every single people who ask help for lagon gets the same answer, answer they should find themselve

[placid yarrow]

Getting resistances and stuff specifically for lagon isn't gonna help in the grand scheme of things imo, it's a bandaid solution to a bigger issue which is that they're not seeing very clear telegraphs and moving out of the way

[stable shore]

i agree

the answer is : just don't facetank

they legit have 3 mechanics to respect

[twilit mountain]

"Why am I getting one shot by Lagon"

500 health and standing in attacks

[placid yarrow]

Like I was watching a dude play today and he practically intentionally ignores every Telegraph and just thought he should be able to facetank it

He was just playing Russian roulette every time lagon did the lazer or moon beam lol

[stable shore]

tbh on my VK with no leveling gear i did facetank it

because i was too lazy too move to dodge, i wanted to kill it fast

[placid yarrow]

I mean he was able to too, just not always

[stable shore]

what i try to say is he isn't even hard to facetank

in the grand scheme of things you only have the traveling beam to avoid

the rest really doesn't do anything

[placid yarrow]

But yeah after a few tries and me telling him to look at the face he started dodging and beat him

Easy as

Idk I just don't like it when people push people towards relying on guides and stuff as the first solution

[stable shore]

yeah i'm gonna be honest i just find the "i need wiki, campaign guide, build guide on my first playthrough or i'll struggle" mindset extremely cringe

[placid yarrow]

Like I watch these people staring at a guide more than they are playing the game and are frustrated that they can't replicate it when they just started playing the game and it's like damn why do this

[warped wren]

I want whatever this dude is smoking

like pronto

[placid yarrow]

Right lol

[stable shore]

LE gotta be the absolute easiest arpg to start

bare none

you don't need any exterior help

[warped wren]

D3?

[stable shore]

THAT'S TOO EASY

[warped wren]

[stable shore]

D3 is just like "here, congrats for doing these 5 quests, here is your entire endgame set"

"go do 150 now"

[placid yarrow]

And you know me I'm a mage enjoyer

I see someone new to the game streaming mage gameplay

I click

They're following a runemaster frostclaw guide

95% of the time

[warped wren]

It's more like congrats for doing the absolute bare minimum of completing the campaign, here is everything you need to progress your character, see you in an hour after your character is completely endgame viable

[stable shore]

idk people do whatever they want, but i really find people who need guide to succed on a first playthrough kinda lame

mikes shows that with all his stream

[placid yarrow]

It's just so boring to watch for me

[stable shore]

you can quite litteraly pick anything and still do fine

[placid yarrow]

Like I enjoy helping people getting started

[stable shore]

last epoch is actually an excellent game to experiment and make your own stuff, so stop doing what everyone else do

[placid yarrow]

But man I just can't with those

[stable shore]

the worst is all those builds are not even nescesseraly good

there are so many busted shit you can come up with by thinking yourself

[placid yarrow]

Yup

You'll have people running cold dot bear

[waxen sonnet]

Help vampires.

[stable shore]

there was 0 shadow cascade pushing content/build when i picked it

and i didn't need that to see it could be OP because, as a proud owner of basic reading abilities i saw half its skills were multipliers

[placid yarrow]

There was 0 SB pushing content too

[twilit mountain]

SC is a little clunky as a main skill imo so that probably plays a part

[placid yarrow]

But I never got it to be op 😭

[stable shore]

well it was one tapping litteraly every pack from level 40 all the way to 600c

[placid yarrow]

I mean the damage I did

[stable shore]

it feels very good to use even early

[twilit mountain]

I mean mechanically

[stable shore]

hum, i guess each can have an opinion on that but i really love it mechanicaly

it feels so good imo

[placid yarrow]

And i could make it a lot tankier, the question is just how much damage I'm willing to give up

And the answer is not enough

[stable shore]

my point is long story short : people are dumb and cringe

[twilit mountain]

In comparison to like, Flurry or Umbral or Shurikens which just go where you click, SC has weird positioning and overlapping you have to take notice of to make it work well

[stable shore]

go play the 9999999th cold dot werebear or frostclaw mage and have fun i guess

[stable shore]

personally i find those details are interesting to work around

and i honestly find shuriken extremely clunky on the other hand

i guess it's just taste

[placid yarrow]

Yeah the amount of runemaster frostclaw streams I've seen compared to other builds is actually insane

It's easily more than any other build combined

[stable shore]

that's actually something that bugged me with VK

[twilit mountain]

Sure, but the majority wouldn't. Most people in ARPGs are... well no nice way to put it, extremely lazy. They want a positive feedback loop from the moment they start.

[placid yarrow]

Like I'm not exaggerating it's at least 80% of mage streams I've looked at

[stable shore]

beyond numbers, SC just feels amazing to use

[placid yarrow]

It's insane

[stable shore]

none of what i tried on VK even feel nearly as good

[placid yarrow]

Who's spreading this runemaster frostclaw propaganda

Like yes the build is decent

But Jesus Christ

[stable shore]

true, i guess a positioning reliant skill + two buttons combo really can push people away

but mostly because they are little bitches

[twilit mountain]

This server mostly

[stable shore]

probably a random dread video who got more attention from youtube algorithm and it landed on frostclaw ?

[placid yarrow]

I'm about to go around with a ruler and hitting people on the hand for recommending it

[stable shore]

i genuinely hear no one recommanding it here ngl

i theorize it's just a random youtube video that got popular so you land easily on it

[placid yarrow]

The playstyle is boring, it's abusing both bugs and busted mechanics, there's literally nothing exciting about it to me

[twilit mountain]

Nah I've seen it recommended a few times here. Hell even I've said it's an alright build just not for super endgame stuff

[stable shore]

people who watch guides don't care about that

[placid yarrow]

And you watch people play it and unless they're part of a small subset of people who legit don't care what means they use to get to their goal they'll seem bored af

[stable shore]

they want to see you having giga damage, and breezing through corruption 100

that's enough to convince them

at that point even my zdps cascade kill a corruption 100 owobyss in 10sec

it's really easy to make any build looks OP this early

as long as it looks flashy people will love it

[placid yarrow]

I mean yeah I've had quite a few people ask me for a planner or guide after I help them with a boss or whatever

I always just link my character and tell them it's shit don't do it lol

[stable shore]

and let's be real : most people will never progress far enough to see the flaws of the builds

that's why lich is popular

[placid yarrow]

Yeah idk each to their own it just saddens me that I can't have good convos about my favorite class with people new to the game because theyre always doing the exact same thing

I can't be like oh have you thought about this or this or blabla whatever, because they haven't thought about anything at all LUL

They look over "3 points in here" puts 3 points in

[twilit mountain]

It's okay, you've got me who only thinks about nonsense combos

[placid yarrow]

Start streaming

[twilit mountain]

No

My laptop would explode

[placid yarrow]

Man

[waxen sonnet]

Imagine talking about LE in off of topic

[placid yarrow]

Im gonna make a sorc build

[twilit mountain]

I'm going to off your topic

[waxen sonnet]

I've been waiting

[placid yarrow]

Imagine talking in the minefield that is general

[twilit mountain]

Actually

Fuck that

[stable shore]

we are in off topic ?

i didn't even notice lmao

[twilit mountain]

I'm going worse than that

Primeval you're being sent to Hot Topic

[placid yarrow]

Sheeesh

Isn't that a store chain

[waxen sonnet]

Can I go to Claire's after? I want a piercing

[twilit mountain]

Yeah a really shitty one for "trendy" goths and shit

[waxen sonnet]

Duh.

[stable shore]

take a needle and do it yourself

[placid yarrow]

Like

[waxen sonnet]

That's me. In a black nutshell

[placid yarrow]

Cool goths

Or not cool goths

[twilit mountain]

No, uncool goths

[placid yarrow]

Oof

I was gonna say there are some pretty dope goths

[stable shore]

what do they sell ?

[placid yarrow]

But there are also whack af goths

[twilit mountain]

The kinda goths that are primarily 16-17 years old and just wear black and piercings and go "yeah I'm so goth punk look at my Misfits shirt even though I have literally never listened to them"

[placid yarrow]

I looked it up

I see what you're saying

It's like stock images for goth people

[twilit mountain]

I have no issues with people who actually enjoy and indulge in goth/punk fashion and culture, but that store is a blight

[stable shore]

i still don't get what they sell

[placid yarrow]

Clothes

[stable shore]

oh

[warped wren]

hot take, but I feel the severe drought of LE content is a huge contributor to the absolute shitholes that end up joining this Discord and making it worse

[placid yarrow]

Lol

[warped wren]

it's amazing that the only people I've ever blocked on Discord ALL come from this server

[placid yarrow]

What's the example here

[warped wren]

generally, we've had a fair few over the last year or so

[waxen sonnet]

Idk. It was way worse on 0.9 release

[placid yarrow]

Ah fair

[stable shore]

it's probably more because the core people left

[placid yarrow]

I have yet to block anyone

[warped wren]

it's a persistent thing IMO

[stable shore]

so you see the annoying ass people more

[waxen sonnet]

Fair

[warped wren]

likely

[placid yarrow]

The one that triggered me the most was that dude ranting about the ROA tooltip NGL

[stable shore]

for me it's acidbunny

and no one tops it to this day

[warped wren]

oh boy

that guy

[twilit mountain]

Where the fuck is the Rancid stuff, Dropkick Murphys, Bad Religion, Anti-Flag, Disrupt I don't even fucking like Disrupt but at least represent them DAMN so much that is god damn CORE for punk and goth culture and it just gets overlooked
(rant over, sorry)

[placid yarrow]

I can tolerate people being dumb or trolling

[warped wren]

[placid yarrow]

But the roa dude was just being a dick

[stable shore]

i have black nails and a black t shirt, i am goth

[stable shore]

what was it again ?

i have a sudden memory blur

[twilit mountain]

I am going to sew you to a tree, Leo

[waxen sonnet]

Gnasherr was mine. Ignorance, confidence and douchebaggery masquerading as intelligence and experience is literally the worst

[warped wren]

AcidBunny was one insane, asylum-level piece

[placid yarrow]

The dude talking about how item types and item classes weren't what it said they were on the roa tooltip or some bs

[stable shore]

that is not physically possible 🤓

[twilit mountain]

You wanna bet?

[warped wren]

Samjoko was worse in every single way IMO, but even he paled compared to AcidBunny

[placid yarrow]

Samjoko was funny af

[stable shore]

tumdian has a special spot in my heart

this guy REALLY was something

[warped wren]

I recall this name very vaguely

[twilit mountain]

Sam and Gnash are iconic for LE server lore

[placid yarrow]

Tumdian? I don't remember him

[stable shore]

basically he was VERY angry against me

[placid yarrow]

Lol

[waxen sonnet]

Leo and tumdian had a special relationship lol

[twilit mountain]

Did any of y'all ever experience Lorian?

[stable shore]

tumdian could legitimately write 10000 lines of next about me daily

it was crazy

no one ever gave me this much attention

[placid yarrow]

Was I hanging out in here at the time?

I don't remember any of this

[stable shore]

it was during the gnasherrr/sam era

so yes

[placid yarrow]

Damn idk how I could've missed it

[stable shore]

when i was a corruption elitist

[placid yarrow]

Thats sad

[stable shore]

(a toxic one)

[twilit mountain]

Current Leo is based Leo

[stable shore]

never heard

[waxen sonnet]

He was a novelist for sure

[placid yarrow]

I'm a corruption elitist now

[warped wren]

and ofc this convo would be incomplete without that legendary guy who talks about Judgement Pally

what was his name again

[placid yarrow]

No

[stable shore]

corruption broke me and i am peacefull now

[placid yarrow]

Stop

[waxen sonnet]

Jabbafunk?

[warped wren]

YES

[placid yarrow]

Oh

[warped wren]

the man the legend

[stable shore]

i'll try to find some old tumdian message

[placid yarrow]

Who tf is that lol

I thought you were gonna say Dora

[warped wren]

the OG Psycho of LE

[waxen sonnet]

He was a special flower my god

[warped wren]

before there was Samjoko, before Gnasher went off his rails, there was Jabba

[twilit mountain]

He was a player who posted some of the most incoherent, absolutely false bullshit in the feedback and suggestion channels quite a ago. Genuinely had the balls to say that they didn't even get a single thousand gold in an empowered echo.

[twilit mountain]

"You don't need move speed with arcane ascendance"

[stable shore]

i like dora

[warped wren]

[twilit mountain]

Mfer unironically removal'd move speed from boots

[stable shore]

sounds like i missed a really spicy fellow

[warped wren]

Dora is your average run-of-the-mill tubelight

these guys are all next level

[waxen sonnet]

I don't hate them, I just hate myself whenever they speak

[twilit mountain]

what's a tubelight, this is a new phrase to me

[placid yarrow]

Lol what, I wish the discord app wasn't so trash so I could look up logs

[warped wren]

ah sorry missing context

[stable shore]

Dora just easily goes out of track, but he is nice regardless

[twilit mountain]

"Virtually possible"

[warped wren]

in India, there used to be these old af tube shaped lights that would flicker a long while before finally switching on

[stable shore]

he is just permanently lost

[placid yarrow]

Dora is fine outside of being a bit stubborn

[stable shore]

if that makes sense

[warped wren]

so you referred to a slow person as a tubelight

[twilit mountain]

Ahh

Gotcha

I think I know exactly what you're talking about, Rake, I just never applied a name to the bulb if that makes sense.

[warped wren]

but yeah Dora not even in the same hemisphere as these setpieces

[stable shore]

they, the other are vile

[warped wren]

Jabba and acid both absolutely psychotic toxic fucks

[placid yarrow]

Do we still have logs of the lorian dude lol

I really wanna read some

[waxen sonnet]

I don't even know Lorian lol. And I've been around very long

[placid yarrow]

Same

[stable shore]

shit i actually went personal once

i was trying to find some old jabba message for funsies

i think that's the only time i ever insulted anyone here

[warped wren]

fax

[placid yarrow]

Oof Leo lost his seniority to others because of his ban

Says you joined in December now

[waxen sonnet]

Imagine quoting yourself for evidence

Bold

[warped wren]

[stable shore]

wrong, i just entered the realm of myths

[stable shore]

i had to, because i'm really surprised

[waxen sonnet]

I'm not 😉

[stable shore]

i mean generally you have to push me very very far to receive any insult

[waxen sonnet]

That's actually pretty true

[twilit mountain]

Empty_Throne_Defender now apparently. Check the old feedback channel. Watch me have an aneurysm in text.

[stable shore]

ok i think i landed the convo

he is arguing with dream

so i must be close

[twilit mountain]

Oh yeah. It was me, Dream, Boru, and a couple others who got roped into it somehow.

[warped wren]

paste it here pls

alt tabbing between this gossip and work

merci beaucoup

[waxen sonnet]

Bunch of drama bitches lol

[warped wren]

always

[stable shore]

trying to find the crunchy stuff

[twilit mountain]

Look man I started a cult in this server like a year ago

[stable shore]

oh, there's the second person i ignored in the convo

[warped wren]

Boru honestly has the patience of a saint

probably all the philosophy in him

[placid yarrow]

I just went on a jabba ride

[warped wren]

fun innit

[placid yarrow]

He was spilling some wisdom

[twilit mountain]

Boru is a chad. I have been in voice with that man a few times and it is a treat.

[placid yarrow]

This was him saying that corruption rarity was useless btw

If it wants to drop it'll drop

[warped wren]

manifesting sentience in pixels

[placid yarrow]

So profound

[warped wren]

[twilit mountain]

Even I don't say corruption rarity is useless and I say that corruption pushing is pointless

[placid yarrow]

He was manifesting his destiny

I'm looking up lorian now

[stable shore]

HOLY FUCK

you didn't lie deias

[placid yarrow]

Hahaha

[waxen sonnet]

Ok wait I do remember this

[stable shore]

"find in the suggestion and like to see channel ANYONE saying an existing feature is fine"

that makes perfect sense

flawless argumentation

[twilit mountain]

I don't want auto pick up

[stable shore]

WELL THEN SUGGEST IT

[warped wren]

this is so stupid it loops backwards into being based

[twilit mountain]

It's genuinely astounding

[stable shore]

he is technicaly correct on some of his message

but holy fuck

by the way

are we allowed to speak of other like that ?

i'm already satisfied with my first trip in jail

[warped wren]

what are they gonna do, ban 5 of the 10 people that talk in this server?

[stable shore]

yes

precisely

[twilit mountain]

Ain't my first time around speaking of drama

[warped wren]

I suppose they could, but wouldn't actually serve any purpose lol

besides, this is off-topic, we can talk ✨ whatever ✨

[stable shore]

i mean i'm just wondering if it counts as harassement

that's it

people can be snowflakes sometime so we never know

[warped wren]

isn't everyone we're speaking of banned

[stable shore]

well not nescesseralyt

gnash, sam and i think that lorient guy aren't

[lethal bane]

Lorien isn't

[warped wren]

Gnasher was banned

[twilit mountain]

Nobody can harrass as efficiently as I can to myself

[lethal bane]

He just comes and goes

[warped wren]

oh hai Boru

long time

[lethal bane]

Is Gnash fully banned?

[placid yarrow]

Our off topic right now is talking smack

[stable shore]

i am a solid contender at that

[lethal bane]

IK Sam just left after being harassed and bullied for being a mana sorc

[warped wren]

[twilit mountain]

Yes, yes, that's why he left

[placid yarrow]

Sam got targeted

Obviously

[twilit mountain]

Not because he threw a fit at being nerfed like a literal child

[stable shore]

translation : he just got what was coming to him

[lethal bane]

He begged the devs and then left cause the bug was actually a bug and got fixed

[stable shore]

turns out you can't shit talk an entire server for months and still find people who like you

[warped wren]

amazing

[lethal bane]

It worked for me

[warped wren]

who'd have believed it

[lethal bane]

IDK, be funny

[twilit mountain]

This is why I only shit talk people who started stuff first or people I'm already friendly with

[placid yarrow]

You guys remember when he went to ask the devs with his long ass message pinging the devs to tell them how they targeted him and ruined his build with his cringy corruption montage youtube video attached

[twilit mountain]

"This is what you took from me"

[placid yarrow]

Master class

Guys no one's typing in general

What are the odds that Kain is just looking here

[stable shore]

can't take away what he never had

[warped wren]

imagine having your head so far up your own ass that you're eating your food twice

[placid yarrow]

Hahaha

[twilit mountain]

Hi Kain

[placid yarrow]

He seemed busy earlier

In the stream

[twilit mountain]

We're all gonna wake up tomorrow to the server missing

[placid yarrow]

Oof

Worth it

[warped wren]

[placid yarrow]

Had a good laugh

[stable shore]

if that happens we could just make our server

until we are free

[twilit mountain]

I have one

It's right above this one

[placid yarrow]

Wow and you haven't invited me?

[twilit mountain]

It is my cult

[warped wren]

I have a personal server that I use to make my own emojis sometimes

[stable shore]

OH i should do that !

how do i unlock emoji on my private server

do i have to boost it ?

[warped wren]

no, you just need to have Nitro

[stable shore]

how many emojis can i have

[warped wren]

and you can create emojis for your server

[twilit mountain]

There's like uh... an MTG channel and uh... Poketwo I guess. And a Destiny bot.

[warped wren]

umm a 100 I think?

[stable shore]

https://tenor.com/view/kaitron5000-kouluve-gif-26301459

be right back

[warped wren]

<- I made my friend's ugly photo an emoji

[stable shore]

in a few minutes, i'll be a new man

[placid yarrow]

Don't you need nitro to post emojis from other servers?

[warped wren]

yes

[placid yarrow]

That's fucked up

[warped wren]

my whole entire reason of buying Nitro

[placid yarrow]

I demand equal rights

[warped wren]

so I can post emojis everywhere

capitalism demands money for me to express myself fully

[lethal bane]

This is how it feels loading up the server during major updates

1.0 is gonna peak drama

[twilit mountain]

I may have minorly shit talked you a few times in that server out of frustration mostly during your corruption elitism time, Leo

[placid yarrow]

This is the dude I was talking about btw

[warped wren]

Idk about you guys but I personally feel this game is going to have a gorillion bugs on 1.0 that will completely derail any possibility of it being taken seriously by the ARPG market for the entirety of 2024

[placid yarrow]

Prim was there I remember

[twilit mountain]

I read that convo and died

[placid yarrow]

Meh all the mainstream ones launched as a mess, it'll pass if it's the case

Poe was a shitshow

[warped wren]

not this level of mess, and I have played some of PoE's worst and most bullshit leagues

[placid yarrow]

D3 was a shitshow

D4 is a shitshow

Nah I'm talking when Poe first came out

[warped wren]

like, LE does 1 minor content update and the server room is on fire while the code gains sentience and starts throwing up spaghetti

[placid yarrow]

Lol that's fair

We'll see how launch goes in that regard

[placid yarrow]

That's the single Convo I've had on here that actually annoyed me lol

My mental is usually rock solid

[twilit mountain]

Damn, I need to do my job better

[placid yarrow]

But that guy was such a blatant asshole that it got to me

Just thinking about it annoys me

[twilit mountain]

(I'm not being serious, I actually hate genuinely angering people)

[placid yarrow]

Imagine asking a question and getting mad at the person trying to help you understand lol

And then he backpedals and goes I want mad nor irate

[warped wren]

I have surely never heard this before

[placid yarrow]

He was something else

[twilit mountain]

That gets thrown at me a lot on Reddit

I will get banned if I speak about why

[placid yarrow]

Lol legacy items deias

Do they exist

[twilit mountain]

no

[placid yarrow]

Lol

[twilit mountain]

I stand by that

[stable shore]

BEHOLD

[placid yarrow]

I'm screenshotting and posting it in that thread

[stable shore]

[placid yarrow]

Oh god

[stable shore]

THAT'S NOT IT

[placid yarrow]

Haha

Mans gonna get himself banned

[stable shore]

actually ... that's a fair call lmao

i'll ask averielle first

[placid yarrow]

Lol

[stable shore]

wait, why could it even be ban worthy ?

[placid yarrow]

I wanna see these dm's

[stable shore]

it's cringe yes, but not TOS

[placid yarrow]

Yeah I don't think that one is

[stable shore]

the other isn't

[placid yarrow]

I was more saying it to the path you were going

Like eventually you'd get to one that was maybe

[stable shore]

i have like 50+ nsfw emote already

i'm not an idiot to the point i'd use any here

[placid yarrow]

Post them in here

[stable shore]

sure thing !

please water the plant while i'm in jail

[placid yarrow]

Will do

Just ship them over first

[warped wren]

wow I just read some of that vRecluse convo

some

[placid yarrow]

Dude haha

Spare yourself

[warped wren]

what blows my mind is the essays one can write on the MOST PEDANTIC SHIT POSSIBLE

like, do you not have respect for your own life and time

[lethal bane]

Oh that vRecluse guy yelled at me for leaving mid convo lol

[placid yarrow]

That tooltip had an affair with his partner or something

[warped wren]

[lethal bane]

I forgot why he got mad NGL

[placid yarrow]

He was just mad af at a tooltip

[lethal bane]

Only that no one wnated to talk to him for being a dick

[placid yarrow]

And he got mad at everyone trying to explain that it was correct

[twilit mountain]

I have so many great reaction images that I'd love to use in some of these dumbass arguments but they're all punishment worthy in this server I think.

[waxen sonnet]

Oh God vrecluse

I was there

[placid yarrow]

That guy was a one time nuke

[waxen sonnet]

I lost a lot of faith in humanity

[placid yarrow]

He came in

Blew up

And left forever

Like a fart in the wind

[warped wren]

good fucking riddance I'd say

[stable shore]

the emote incident has only started

there is nothing you can do to stop it

[lethal bane]

When I cook with Sac Embrace

[stable shore]

i now possess the forbidden knoweldge of making my own emote

[twilit mountain]

I'm just gonna send you one in DM Leo

[stable shore]

i will check in a few minutes