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[twilit mountain]

I see

[copper pawn]

if I'm not interested in doing boss, I just sell all those expensive maven's invitation right?

or do they drop something interesting and expensive?

[twilit mountain]

If you don't have the voidstone you should grab it. Otherwise the best you can get is like, awakened gems really. Uber is where the REAL pricey item is.

[copper pawn]

aren't voidstones from the normal cheap invitation one? not those 1-2 div invitation

[twilit mountain]

oh do you mean the fucking ones of like, conqs or guardians?

Those give atlas points your first time

[copper pawn]

ah, valid point

[twilit mountain]

I thought you meant actual Maven fights

Which are not cheap, they're like 2.5div each right now

[copper pawn]

maven I have 6 shards already, 4 more to make the map

I'll get 1 more from farming then buy other 3

[twilit mountain]

The conq/guardian invites are great for farming Maven fights, you get like 4-6 splinters per

Much quicker than the 80-100 normal maps for one fight

[copper pawn]

I don't spam maven fight, I just do it once to get voidstone

[twilit mountain]

Fair enough. Then yeah, feel free to sell stuff I suppose. I still think you get more money by farming actual Maven's Writs and selling those though.

[copper pawn]

don't think anything wins against juice farming this league though

[twilit mountain]

Probably not but that's just kinda how it goes this time around

[eternal sky]

Tbh abyss farming is w.e

You can make some redic money from the other mechs because no ones farming them

Same with like invitation running

Do 4 guardian maps put niko on them get like 40k sulphite

[daring shore]

well lion's was used with cyclone builds a lot

we all know how that turned out

[eternal sky]

Do the invite get half a mavens writ

[daring shore]

[eternal sky]

Do the niko juice rinse repeat

[stable shore]

It indeed turned around a lot

[twilit mountain]

@stable shore

[stable shore]

SHINY

was it the same price as a regular one ?

or you just put more for drip

[twilit mountain]

I paid like an extra 3 div

[stable shore]

absolutely 100% worth it

purple/blue shiny too wich is very baseg

[twilit mountain]

It's the closest to pure purple

[stable shore]

i need to get a pink MB for my slayer

but now that enchants have gone legacy ... will be hard to find one i need

[warped wren]

lol, you can't be serious

[stable shore]

mirror service and crafting

or flipping

litteraly 50 times the profit

[warped wren]

Legion sets - 1 div PER set
Shaper sets - 1 div per
Maven invites - 2.5 div per
Sanctum - same old same old, Original Scripture is 300d
Pinnacle invites - 1.1-1.2d PER and you can boss rush into eternity
Formed / Twisted invites - 1d per, see above
Harvest juice - 1d per 3700 purple, 1d per 3800 yellow, highest it's EVER been

this is just off the top of my head

you can make fucking BANK with anything this league, and all the core uniques are cheap af because they're dropping like candy

this is literally the best league to be even slightly off-meta

[warped wren]

oh yes, actually flipping is insane

[stable shore]

yeah, kinda every league

the most rewarding stuff has been the same since the creation of leagues

[warped wren]

if you have a strong currency pool, buy bulk scarab tab off TFT at 100%, buy bulk purple juice, flip scarabs

IMPOSSIBLE to lose money literally

[stable shore]

it's always flipping, crafting and service

[simple needle]

did quinton get 4/4 before he died again

[warped wren]

I'm funding my own map juice + I have like 70 spare divs worth of scarabs

[stable shore]

his PF is alive

he just ripped his strength stacking guy

[simple needle]

that guy is ramping tho

[stable shore]

now he level up a shield throw jugg

[stable shore]

his PF can quite litteraly kill uber with little issue

[simple needle]

why didnt he keep going with pf

[stable shore]

quon thinks his PF is too strong

and ubers will be too easy with it

[simple needle]

ICANT

[stable shore]

i really can't either

[simple needle]

is this ethic shyt again

[stable shore]

0/7 for a year streamer btw

well think about it

if he dies on the most broken HC build

then chat will roast him for months

[simple needle]

true

[stable shore]

that's why he doesn't wanna use his PF

"master of his own domain" classic

he will kill ubers with any dogshit build he imposed to himself and call it "world first hc ssf (insert a dogshit build name) kill"

like when he made the "world first doryani prototype HC ssf build" the litteraly ONLY league where this was possible in ssf

he is really enjoying himself this league though so i won't complain

[warped wren]

I keep turning them in, qual'ing TS gems and corrupting to sell

[twilit mountain]

Zero, I've been in Burial Grounds and Tropical Islands

[warped wren]

Burial Chambers = Doctor, Fortunate

also Empower 4 card

Tropical is Fortunate

[twilit mountain]

Yup, those.

I get a shit ton of fortunates, no doctors yet though sadly

[stable shore]

doing an absolutely PEAK quest

[copper pawn]

The issue with all you mentioned is that me, as someone who have spent around 200h into this game, don't have a single idea what you're talking about
Meanwhile, while I'm not there yet, not even close, I do see those highend mf builds pumping out 1 mirror per day

[stable shore]

that's perfectly normal

200h is baby number in poe

[copper pawn]

Yeah, and I won't bother to learn all of them either, and afaik, poe2 will only carry half of them over

And also revamp crafting system

[stable shore]

idk i was dogshit at the game until i put a good 1000+h

[warped wren]

you can search any of these basic (yes they are basic) strategies on Maxroll

the tree + scarabs + compasses are right there

you don't even need to use your brain

[copper pawn]

I tried a few of them before, didn't like 2/3

[warped wren]

highend MF builds that are pumping out "1 mirror per day" (not even close) are worth multiple mirrors in themselves

and each map they do is like 1.5-2 divs invested

have to get there to be able to get those returns

it's a typical PoE newbie problem - you look at players who've put in a ridiculous number of hours and currency to get to a point and think "wow why can't I have that". You can, but you need to be prepared to do as much. If you aren't, that's perfectly okay, there's plenty of fun stuff to do at every level, but if you're gonna mald about it that's just being silly that "why can't I have what I didn't gun for".

[copper pawn]

To be expected, but put the same builds into what you mentioned and the profit is significantly less, maybe except tft mirror service
And no need that high investment, I know tuna can make around half of that with his 200 div fulcrum build

[warped wren]

Tuna's Fulcrum build may have been 200 div when HE did it, it is no longer that cheap

and that's always the way it is

things get popular, and

[copper pawn]

Uhm, fulcrum build is cheap again btw

[warped wren]

oh it dropped again did it?

[twilit mountain]

It wasn't even 200 when he did it frankly

The most expensive part was the Fulcrum

[copper pawn]

The weapon itself peaked at 30 div and now dropped back to 15

[warped wren]

afaik aren't the clusters pricy?

I know someone who was profit crafting them

made good bank

[twilit mountain]

Not that much.

You also don't need half of them

[warped wren]

I see

so it's not a money drain like TS

[twilit mountain]

I started the build on like 35-40 divs perfectly fine

[copper pawn]

It's not like my current build is cheap either, got almost 1 headhunter worth into it already, but guess I'm just fooling around too much, 1 month into league and still haven't unlocked all 4 voidstones

[warped wren]

just.. buy a carry?

[twilit mountain]

My ass saved up to buy a Nimis before getting all my voidstones

[copper pawn]

Nah, I can do the bosses myself, just too lazy to buy the fragments

[warped wren]

smart decision tbh

I moved to Voltaxic TS before getting mine

[twilit mountain]

Okay that is way more lmao

[copper pawn]

I don't even know the difference between voidstones when using sextant lol

[warped wren]

nah when I did it I managed in about 25ish divs

it was just at the cusp of prices exploding

[twilit mountain]

There... is none?

[warped wren]

what difference

[twilit mountain]

damn. Cheap TS build.

[copper pawn]

Doesn't matter which voidstone you put sextant in? All random?

[warped wren]

fun fact, Doomfletch Ruenado and Voltaxic TS were both designed as "budget TS" and they honestly are

[twilit mountain]

No, why would it matter

[warped wren]

just that it became popular and thus less budget

[copper pawn]

My next goal is to get juju with additional curse, will be hella expensive, maybe I should buy 100 juju and corrupt them lol

[warped wren]

60 should be enough

+1 curse is 1/60 chance

I did it for Hyrri's Truth, got exactly 1 from the 60 I bought

annoying af but saved me 9 divs at a point where that was a lot

[copper pawn]

That affix has lower chance than the rest? Wiki said only 26 possible options

[twilit mountain]

Weightings

[warped wren]

look at the weightage in craftofexile.com

[copper pawn]

Well considering my shit luck in any arpg, I'll say 100 is min for me

[warped wren]

my friend who got an HH from Reliquary Key this league lives by the philosophy that it's always 50/50 - you either get it or you don't

[copper pawn]

Such a positive man

[twilit mountain]

I hate this game

[copper pawn]

When you use mageblood, you usually want to craft increase effect and immunity to various effects right?

[twilit mountain]

Depends

All I did was curse immune, move speed, and rarity. Because I'm basically immortal as is

[stable shore]

of all T0 you could have dropped you landed the 2d one

[twilit mountain]

Right

[stable shore]

and still no yhora 55 body armour AGAIN

because fuck me i don't deserve it

you'd think 20 fucking raids is enough to see it ONCE

not only i didn't see it yet but it still have the roll RNG after

[junior oyster]

So rax got another mb...

[stable shore]

[warped wren]

the fact that the man bought a mirror on his first league shows you how hard he goes. It's not surprising that in this league he's getting so many crazy drops

more hours, more juicing = more loot

simple as

[junior oyster]

Yep

My real question is if he will ever change his mind and say that PoE stomps D4

[warped wren]

I don't think so, he has a loyal D4 fanbase that brought him to where he is. Why piss them off for no reason

lots of streamers play both games

[junior oyster]

Was he not a D3 gamer before D4?

Or did he come from WoW

[warped wren]

I know he plays a lot of D4

though I do wonder if Wudijo ever questions his existence

[junior oyster]

What do you mean?

I only ever watched him a few years ago when he did the wiz macro thing with meteors in D3

[warped wren]

like, Wudi's lifeblood is a game that Blizzard is determined to run into the ground, and the man has to keep motivating himself and his viewers to play it

[junior oyster]

Are you talking about D3 or D4?

[warped wren]

both really

I had a (non streamer) relationship with a game like that and it was as bad as any toxic relationship lol

(un?)fortunately the studio running it closed down

[daring shore]

he is a diablo person

and anyone with eyes can see that path has more things to do than d4

there is only 1 area that D4 is better than path

and that is visuals

path looks like chewed playdoh from 2013

[shadow sundial]

for MF Fulcrum Chieftan, why does it run the DD set with a cast-when-stunned trigger? what is self stunning you?

[twilit mountain]

You have your stun threshold based on ES instead of life

EVERYTHING stuns you

[shadow sundial]

ah, brilliant

[stable shore]

holy fuck i did terribly at my static entry test

i killed the boss but i had the most disgustingly bad rotation

[twilit mountain]

The entire build is a bundle of just very funny mechanics that lend themselves to making something tankier than ever normally needed

[daring shore]

what is static entry

why do you even bother with proving your stuff

[shadow sundial]

yeah i made myself one, heh. i am in my full endgame MF gear whilst still in campaign

[daring shore]

you do not need sweaty nerds to approve of your gaming

[stable shore]

static is a group to clear content

and i want to join a good one

so i passed a test just now

and i honestly don't think i'm gonna be accepted

i'm just too freaking slow to learn boss

[twilit mountain]

This is where I'm at. Been farming heavily juiced T16s since level 90 pretty comfortably. Had some issues with chaos when I was undercapped, sorted it out pretty easily as soon as I could though though.

Just... don't touch ultimatum. Or if you do, don't touch the lightning strikes. Those things are bullshit.

[stable shore]

soon level 100 MB gamer

[sand wigeon]

nawh hard stuck 99 now

[twilit mountain]

Can't be hard stuck, I know the only things that can kill me, I can just not do those

[sand wigeon]

no it's okay new things

[twilit mountain]

That's... okay white mapper.

[sand wigeon]

i mean the game will craft things specifically to kill you

from nothing

not even any updates

[twilit mountain]

I can literally stand in front of the only enemy mods that previously could kill me

[stable shore]

what about those white monster in league mechanic

[sand wigeon]

it's okay

[twilit mountain]

Not an issue anymore, strangely. I don't know what caused that, haven't had it since.

[stable shore]

i'm still curious about why those were a thing

[twilit mountain]

My guess is they had jacked overwhelm from somewhere

[stable shore]

still

it's a white mob

[eternal sky]

And yea phys overwhelm will just shit on you surprisingly

[warped wren]

phys overwhelm hasted soul eater

[stable shore]

i was able to join temporarily the static i wanted in ff14 but they want to see improvements because i don't use two support skills enough and my reaction time is a bit slow before the next months if i wanna stay

so i min maxed my skill bar for utmost efficiency in pressing every single skill i can possible use

[warped wren]

sweaty

[stable shore]

sweaty indeed

but it's a gain of time long term

btw they are really nice people and i think i'll learn a lot with them so i don't mind putting work to join them

[copper pawn]

lightning damage badass? those damages I thought the blood ring and the smaller radius are the worst things

[twilit mountain]

Smaller radius doesn't matter if you have nothing AoE that'll fuck with you. The lightning strikes though, those have massive pen and can one tap things with excessive EHP.

[warped wren]

All that would matter if Ultimatum was worth spending a minute on

[copper pawn]

I read breakdown of maven fight, and man, reading all that gives me a mental breakdown

[junior oyster]

Outdps her and only really worry about the memory game

Dunno about the uber version though

[copper pawn]

memory game is fine, memory game part 2 doesn't seem alright

watching ziz guide now to prepare myself better

[copper pawn]

nice, finished after 3 deaths

[simple needle]

anyone familiar with monster hunter chargeblade

[clever hollow]

which MH

[simple needle]

Latest

i just learned about guard point stuffs

[clever hollow]

rise/sunbreak?
focus on elemental phial CBs if you use guard point/SAED playstyle

[daring shore]

still

its ass that you look up ziz

to get an idea how maven fight works

instead of doing the fight

in practice

[copper pawn]

ziz and maxroll guide at the same time lol, yet still manage to die 3 times in the 2nd memory game soz so many visuals bloat out the screen

[copper pawn]

wtf, was expecting some super difficult fight with uber elder, turned out super easy, zero death

[junior oyster]

Was that uber elder or uber uber elder?

[copper pawn]

1 uber, the one with voidstone

[junior oyster]

Oh yea that one is probably the easiest boss out of the non-uber versions

The second or even tied with it is the synthesis map

[copper pawn]

I was suprised too, coz I died to shaper 1-2 times when fighting him alone, prolly get a little bit used to his mechanics

[junior oyster]

Cortex or w/e it's called

[stable shore]

i finally found the body armour i was looking for

i am free from 2b raid at last

[twilit mountain]

Lookin good

[stable shore]

thanks

[twilit mountain]

Save me, my stupid ass is considering converting my Hiero into a Shockwave Totem build with my MB to run Sanctum

[stable shore]

and how do i save you ? by proposing a worse build idea that could catch your attention more ?

[twilit mountain]

I don't know, I just need to do something else now that I got my Chief to 100

[stable shore]

time for slayer main

[twilit mountain]

I have never made a slayer

[stable shore]

you wanted shockwave ? go cyclone fulcrum shockwave

[twilit mountain]

what?

[stable shore]

perma berserk or something

idk

[twilit mountain]

wtf does slayer even do

[stable shore]

huge aoe and damage

and overleech

that's about it

perfect for cyclone

[twilit mountain]

Oh

That is so funny

[stable shore]

that mod is bonkers

[twilit mountain]

Badge tech incoming

[stable shore]

legit OP

allow flicker strike builds to rock 90% phys DR at no cost

plus flicker is always close range, so it has insane synergy with impact node

[twilit mountain]

Okay look

I only have like 83 divs or some shit

Flicker ain't happening

[stable shore]

shockwave cyclone slayer

el classico

[twilit mountain]

Leo I don't like cyclone though, now what

[stable shore]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIJmuKzp_KU

this version is dead

[stable shore]

then with 80d you're fucked, forget slayer

[twilit mountain]

Chainbreaker is beyond the dirt

[stable shore]

yep

ggg detected fun and removed reduced cost of channeling skill cluster

go for hierophant then, i have no worse idea

[twilit mountain]

Well they also just made Chainbreaker itself fucking suck

[stable shore]

it's a bit funny how ggg cylicaly add a new way to get perma berserk

only to nuke it after

[twilit mountain]

I think we actually don't have one this league

[stable shore]

evidently they HATE perma berserk, or any form of berserk abuse

but they always add new ways to do it

[stable shore]

well just the classic redblade

actually you can on any class no ?

[twilit mountain]

It is complete bullshit tbf

[stable shore]

rage per power is available as a charm

no ?

or so i heard

[twilit mountain]

Oh I guess so. It's janky as fuck though.

[stable shore]

could work with that stat on all your charm max rolled no ?

[twilit mountain]

And charms have other things that are so much more broken that it's a bit of a waste

[stable shore]

right

well i guess nowadays only berserk can have perma berserk

and any marauder actually with warbringer

[stable shore]

i agree

but IT LOOKS SO GOOD

rage is such a beautiful effect

litteraly make any mtx look better instantly

[twilit mountain]

I'd do the nonsense int stacking blade trap but I'm way too poor for that

[stable shore]

OH

I got an idea

Deadeye

Cold wildstrike

Nimis

Claw

Fan of knife cluster stacking

[twilit mountain]

Sir I don't have a Nimis atm and it's like 40div

[stable shore]

sorry i thought it was cheap

[twilit mountain]

It was 30

I don't know what happened

[stable shore]

Bossing is actually profitable this league i guess

[twilit mountain]

Progenesis is over 100 last I saw

[stable shore]

Actually fair price

As a bosser those are prices i'd wish to see all the time

[eternal sky]

Im being real

Why go int stacking bladetrap

When int stack wander is just better overall

[twilit mountain]

Go ask CaptainLance idfk

[eternal sky]

Nah but why would you though

Lance is doing it for content

Like bladetraps not a good feeling skill

I tried playing it before but the aoe is lacking and if the mob moves you just lose half ur dps

Oh its a valdo farmer

[twilit mountain]

Yeah. It ain't for normal stuff, it's to farm void maps.

[warped wren]

of course you do

Warlord's Mark - CoC - Manaforged - whatever bow attack using Mark transfers on death mastery

also rage gen charms make it better on anything that uses warcries

also it's hilariously bullshit that bowyers generate rage and sustain Berserk better than 99% of melee builds

[warped wren]

this should theoretically not work but it absolutely does and it is busted

[mossy thorn]

It's a spell, CoC triggers spells, I don't see why it shouldn't work

[warped wren]

because it's double trigger

Manaforged is a trigger, CoC is a trigger

[mossy thorn]

https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Manaforged_Arrows_Support

[warped wren]

double trigger works nowhere else

[mossy thorn]

Manaforged Arrows can be linked with

Cast On Critical Strike Support
to trigger spells.

[warped wren]

yes this was updated AFTER this fact was discovered

https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Trigger

I am reasonably sure this is a bug being abused, but while it's there it will very much be abused

[mossy thorn]

Bow attack has trigger, mark has trigger

No?

No double trigger at all

[warped wren]

I would urge you to read the skills again. Manaforged Arrows is a TRIGGER skill. CoC is a TRIGGER skill. Both are triggering Warlord's Mark. That's NOT supposed to happen

the entire Trigger interactions page explains it

the fact that it's happening is an anomaly

whether it's a bug or not only GGG can say, but when one thing is an outstanding exception, then it's likely a bug

like, this para explains it

[eternal sky]

also i dont think

like manaforged is the attack

since manaforged is still the attack it triggers i think the whole disables thing is soo you cant use like cwc and coc together to get double triggers at the same

time

but the whole manaforged thing acts like you yourself are casting the skill

tldr >manaforged procs > attack goes out > procs cast on crit

there isnt multiple trigger conditions applying to the initial attack

[mossy thorn]

this lol

: A single skill cannot have multiple triggers

bow attack triggers manaforged arrows which then crits which triggers warlords mark

it'd be like saying oh no I can't use multiple cwdt loops to infinitely summon skeletons and then have that also trigger frostbolt or something

owait

[warped wren]

those are MULTIPLE CWDT gems each with their own CDs, don't gimme shit I have actually played a Looper

Jung and rue have both talked about Warlord-CoC-MFA being a possible bug

[warped wren]

so by that logic, when Asenath's Chant triggers a spell, that goes out and Hextouch-Curse should then trigger right?

but it does not

that's the whole fucking point

that the Warlord-CoC-MFA behavior is an anomaly

[eternal sky]

i dont think that works the same way as manaforged tho

like chant

the trigger is w/e attack that procs manaforged

then manaforged shoots out the attack

there isnt multiple trigger conditions basicly

in the chain

[warped wren]

point is that the bow case is triggered item -> triggered item, but in Asenath's case that doesn't work

now whether that has something to do with how spells and attacks are coded

or how MFA itself is coded

idk

[warped wren]

it SEEMS like a bug is what I have said, what rue has said, what jung has said, but we have no way of knowing

tbf even the Brand Recall in trigger weapon thing is a similar issue

it triggers a spell which triggers Arcanist Brand

[mossy thorn]

while wonky that one too is just a trigger chain right?

people abuse the fuck outta trigger chains w/ sabo

ie its a set of triggers triggering each other. The asenanths example on the wiki is because asenanth's can legally target a hex skill (and does), and so can hextouch support

although I guess to be fair the trigger wand specifically is wonky as fuck with that, since it could trigger the spell too

[warped wren]

which other case exists?

CWDT is not trigger chains, it is different gems

afaik the only trigger chains that exist are MFA-CoC-Mark and Brand Recall - Arcanist Brand

[mossy thorn]

pretty much just arcanist brand from what I know

[warped wren]

yeah, those are the only two sus interactions

[mossy thorn]

+the wand(s)

the double wand especially being dumb

[warped wren]

beautiful craft

double t1 + crafted rarity, t1 life, double res efficiency

[mossy thorn]

Slam orb of conflict ez

[warped wren]

nah don't really need it rn

maybe later when minmaxing more

currently just need HoM to sell so I can buy massive thread

[copper pawn]

is there a guide how to edit loot filter, not using filterblade? coz I use a streamer's filter, like it so far but he hides all the lower currencies, even the 20 stack ones, I want to modify that part a bit

[warped wren]

Why would you not use filterblade to edit your filter

What is better than that?

[copper pawn]

because filterblade can't import existing filter

this filter I use is from a streamer, like it so far except lower currency filter

he hides even the 20 stack ones

[warped wren]

what do you mean it can't import an existing filter?

what is this?

[copper pawn]

the filters you made using filterblade obviously
what about the ones you copy or follow from another?

[warped wren]

that BPL Filter was not made by me

I got it from the BPL Discord

as long as the filter is on your PoE profile, you should be able to load and edit it

[copper pawn]

nvm it's simpler than I thought, I just search the player's name directly to show all his filters and edit from ther

btw I can't load mine

[warped wren]

@copper pawn how's your BAMA Necro going

I think I'm gonna get massive thread, woke fork, and call it quits on upgrading TS further because beyond that it's just meme tier currency

maybe I do BAMA Necro too

[copper pawn]

I have no idea where it is
bow still has t2 lightning damage, t2 crit chance, something to improve on
quiver lacks crit multi, and life is only t5 but I guess that's not too important
the only real improvement now is a juju with additional curse
except the bow, I say this is a cheap build

[warped wren]

I mean, how does it feel to play? what tier content are you doing? how does it feel in that tier?

[copper pawn]

t16 6-10k juice no problem, never tried beyond that coz my luck with wisp not that great

[warped wren]

that sounds pretty good

you have the same charms as Pr3vie?

+2 Fourth Vow?

[copper pawn]

roughly yeah, the jewels some affixes missing but again not too important ones
like that which was taken, impossible to find a 3/4 one, not mentioning 4/4

[copper pawn]

bought this for 2d, can you believe it

have you seen his pathfinder bama? 100% phy res, but I won't mention the cost though

[warped wren]

yeah nah

[warped wren]

huh that's pennies

I suppose most uniques are pennies

I think this build is like, what, 200 div tops?

maybe less?

[copper pawn]

fourth vow with +2 cheapest is 14d now
but I have to admit, this build is such a massive qol to play compared to srs or animate weapon, only 3 minions that live for 45s, and blink arrow is such a sweet movement skill it's crazy

[warped wren]

+2 4th for 14 is still a bargain imo

even the 35% 12p cluster is peanuts

[copper pawn]

I'm cheap bruh, still using 25% and only 2% ele res 😭

[warped wren]

why though

[copper pawn]

trade is down, shit server

[copper pawn]

not the affixes I'm looking for, need all res, minion atk speed and effect, 4th one can be life, evasion, armor, or a good passive

[warped wren]

hmm

honestly the PF version looks pretty busted too

I have the Prog but the rest of the gear is also kinda intense

[copper pawn]

very intense

[simple needle]

I cant believe i didnt know about dragons dogma back then , its so fun

[daring shore]

now imagine if it did not look like playdoh from 2012

From the small snippets i seen from DD2 it looks very bonkers

i specifically try to not look things up for DD2

[simple needle]

I honestly care more about gameplay than graphics

It's nostalgic honestly looking like gunz back then

Or old resident evil

[daring shore]

did i tell you my stick is on its way

its bought

[simple needle]

I know

[daring shore]

oh i did

[simple needle]

I migrated to leverless now

I'm changed person

[daring shore]

only 22 days

[simple needle]

Hitbox is cheatbox and I embrace it

You got the drone ?

[daring shore]

its only a cheatbox if you are in a tournement

ye

drone 2

[simple needle]

I forgot what stick

It's cheatbox but legal, people just salty

[daring shore]

i dont really much care for the whole cheatbox stuff

what i want is companies to have a solid stance on it- i dont care if you ban or allow it

say it out loud

dont stand in the middle

[simple needle]

Leverless makes me play longer honestly, less tiring and problems with capal tunnel

[daring shore]

either ban it outright or say its allowed

[simple needle]

I still play better with a stick though

There's more control like with wavedash

[daring shore]

when you play for fun at home nothing matter right

[simple needle]

Exactly

But still I hate cheaters and macroers

[daring shore]

we all do

[simple needle]

One button wavu electric

One button pewgf

[daring shore]

but it seems japanese developers whole anti cheat measures are " it is illegal they cant do that"

[simple needle]

So it kinda matters

[daring shore]

like expecting people to obey the rules

in the year 2023

2024*

[simple needle]

We need more bans

Ban fariborz

[daring shore]

why does Fariborz still exist

literally give him a lifelong ban

[simple needle]

He put on his cheater tag like a badge

[maiden widget]

got a link to it?

[maiden widget]

i think i found it but the video isnt loading for me https://www.reddit.com/r/PathOfExileBuilds/comments/18ttbu7/bombarding_blink_arrow_summoner_easy_ubers_feared/kg51cfa/

[copper pawn]

meanwhile the quiver is really budget, can get for as cheap as 1.2 div

[copper pawn]

is heist worth doing at all?

[twilit mountain]

It isn't as money as it used to be but it's still pretty good. It does kinda need a build dedicated to it afaik

[copper pawn]

dc during map run, when you log back in, there should be 5 portals left, how come there's none?

[twilit mountain]

Instance crashed.

It's a rather rare occurrence, don't worry. I've had it twice this league but I'm also very juiced in maps.

[warped wren]

According to Ducks who's been running 500 BPs

Heist is now all about the big pulls

Most of the time you just about barely go above break even

Then you hit the giga pull and that's that, currency done, you can exit purgatory

He found a Simplex yesterday, that's 800d

Focus was 400d afaik?

He got Focus too a couple days ago

[copper pawn]

ok, not my style, prefer some consistent wealth to a lottery

[warped wren]

Same

But he hates MF so he's been testing alternate strats

[twilit mountain]

That's the weird amulet yeah? Someone I know crafted one with % int, % atts, and damage per int, shit was like 3 mirrors in price when the amulet base was like 250d, can't imagine what it's like now.

[stable shore]

What the fuck, a SINGLE base is 800d ?

[warped wren]

Yes

[stable shore]

I know it's a powerfull one but fucking hell

[warped wren]

There's only Split bases listed on Trade

And each is 400d

Basically Ducks rich now

[warped wren]

Tbf it's also a factor of this jank af economy. Nobody wants to do anything other than MF, so all out-of-map items are obnoxiously expensive

And Heist has always been one of those things that's unpopular

[twilit mountain]

That's cuz Heist gameplay (and setup) is ass

[warped wren]

I personally enjoy every aspect of it but I hate the fact that it's essentially a long drawn slot machine now

Earlier it was more steady

[twilit mountain]

I really, REALLY hate playing Heist, I have touched it exactly twice since its league and regretted it immediately. Heist league is also the fastest I have ever quit a league.

[stable shore]

I see, that's unpopular squared 2

And now that those bases are uber good

[copper pawn]

easy 36% phy res, but at what cost

[twilit mountain]

Jesus

[warped wren]

Tbf that makes sense

This WE + Coil + Helm + Defiance of Destiny = immortality

[junior oyster]

Man I wish I could get more news on the new GD expansion

[placid yarrow]

Thats disgusting lol

[shadow sundial]

farmed for my first chase unique. this thing is amazing

[junior oyster]

GG

Did it drop or did you buy it?

[shadow sundial]

bought

[junior oyster]

Ah last league I bought 2 apos and gamba to get an mb

[twilit mountain]

Straight bullshit, eh?

[lethal bane]

Mageblood is wild

[placid yarrow]

Old HH 😭

[shadow sundial]

finally found the King on my fulcrum chieftan, to finish my quests. 7 minutes into the fight when i finally have him to half health and he's about to port me, the game kicks me for "performing too many actions" and i lose the area

I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO A MANAGER

[wild pagoda]

Anyone else getting random messages from people on this discord server? Truly weird because I don't interact pretty much at all

[placid yarrow]

Yeah some bots/scammers have been targeting the server, they kept getting banned too fast so they sometimes resort to dm'ing random members instead lol

[mental talon]

Bots. For the most part no one here is going to DM you randomly.

[copper pawn]

hmm how do I stop my minions from killing the abyss spire too fast

[vagrant topaz]

Make sure you contact someone from the community manager team to get them banned

[eternal sky]

Unsocket gem

Ur bama right

[copper pawn]

oh why didn't I think of that, either that or weapon swap, smart you

[eternal sky]

Ye ez then

[warped wren]

Just do Legion strat instead of abyss

Frankly Abyss is way too annoying

I've been doing 8mod Burials for now, gonna move to Legion Burials next once I have enough maps

[copper pawn]

abyss is for builds that can frontload dps while still able to survive the swarming mobs from the spire, most builds can't handle the latter part, that's why

[warped wren]

Yes I am aware. Point is Abyss is still slow and painful

You can make as much or more currency doing a faster strat

Not only has fubgun proved it, I have also experienced it

Because in the time it takes to do a juiced Abyss map with all the crack chasing and spire spawning, you can do 2-3 juiced legion / 8mod maps

[copper pawn]

my experience is completely opposite of yours

abyss is just pure fast and efficient for me

minus occasional deaths here and there coz I tele into middle of mob packs

it really depends on builds

[warped wren]

how can something that forces you to follow and wait be fast

compared to something where you just blast through at the highest pace possible with the only restriction being mobs / movespeed

that's a contradiction in terms

[copper pawn]

because the wait is 5s, the follow is also 5s, and I'm patient enough for those 5s to have a div rain later

don't know and don't really care who this fubgun guy is, but I watched ziz, steelmage, tuna, and a few more, all confirmed that nothing is as efficient as abyss farming this league

and also watched raxx, who intensively ran legion during week 3 of league, and in week 4, he returned to farming abyss, saying that legion not that good

[warped wren]

LMFAO

fubgun is the daddy of MFing

he's been doing MFing for, what, half a dozen leagues now? a dozen?

he's farmed 32 mirrors this league

FARMED, not crafted

11 raw mirror drops

[stable shore]

Rookie numbers

[copper pawn]

again, don't know and don't bother, your experience is different from mine, period

[warped wren]

raxx is a scrub compared to fubgun

Tuna discussed his own shit with fubgun LOL

[copper pawn]

you worship him, I don't, not that hard to understand right?

[warped wren]

you're clueless is what I understand

"I don't know who fubgun is, I watch ziz / steelmage"

[copper pawn]

I may be, but I don't care, I do what I think is right

[warped wren]

when talking about MF

trusting Ziz / Steelmage vs fubgun

[copper pawn]

don't pull me into your religion

[warped wren]

okay dude

also I've done both

excessively

200 maps Abyss farming, 90 maps so far 8mod farming

made more currency than you even without the mirror

so

[copper pawn]

so, do I look like I care or believe?

can also claim that I dropped 2 mirrors back to back yesterday in my t16 abyss map

[stable shore]

Show them

[warped wren]

my account is Anomandar15, league character is SarAfflicts, feel free to load up in POB and look at my bow

proof is in the pudding buckaroo

oh wait, since you're a clueless clown, the bow was mirrored from ckaiba's Agony Thunder, the 2nd highest phys dps bow and highest no-fee mirror bow in the game, which again you can check on Reddit

[copper pawn]

yeah, right, so? trying to prove something on the internet, that's so funny

this is a game bro, not real life

[stable shore]

Idc about your discussion but what you just said is freaking stupid

Discussing on internet doesn't mean you can start lying and spreading bullshit

[copper pawn]

so, what's the bullshit?

[stable shore]

"Trying to prove something internet, that's so funny"

[copper pawn]

and?

[warped wren]

that Abyss is fast and efficient

it's good, rains currency

=/= fast or efficient

[copper pawn]

again, futile effort to convert me to your religion

[warped wren]

I don't give a fuck which way you lean, I give a fuck when you spout illogical crap

especially coming from a clown who can't Google basic ass info

[copper pawn]

and do I give a fuck about your lies also?

[warped wren]

I'd love to know where's the lie in anything I said

like, factual lie

hell even contextual lie

[copper pawn]

everything man, 10 streamers I watched, none of them doing anything legion related, maybe except the dude you mentioned that I can't remember his name

why is tuna, ziz, steelmage, and a few more, still keep doing abyss juice if legion is so good right?

[warped wren]

so because 10 streamers you watched are doing 1 thing, of which 2 are HC players doing it in groupfind, 1 is a literal newbie to PoE despite his experience, that means I'm wrong about the other? Despite the fact that "the dude I mentioned" has literally farmed more than ALL of these guys combined no cap (Sushi himself said it)?

Idk why I bother

somebody who doesn't know fuckall has no reason to believe me anyway

[copper pawn]

or anyone, knowledgeable or not, has no reason to believe you

[warped wren]

too true, especially someone who doesn't know the name fubgun in the context of MFing

have fun in your ignorance and asking dumbfuck questions here that can be Googled for an instant answer

[copper pawn]

yeah, did he make billions of dollars? is he a world known person?

[warped wren]

we're talking about POE jackass

I don't even know these people's real names

[copper pawn]

how many percent of earth population play poe?

[warped wren]

nor do I care

[copper pawn]

why should I care about a famous person only in poe? ziz is at least famous in general gaming world, not just poe, same for raxx

[warped wren]

I am actually going to mute your dumb ass because I feel my IQ dropping trying to open your eyes to reality

[copper pawn]

your religious reality

[warped wren]

much better

[copper pawn]

which I don't follow

it's funny seeing strangers on internet tell me I should do this, that is better, blah blah

does it trigger you that much that the way and the content I play don't fit your narrative? waste of time man

if you're that good, go convince those famous streamers to do legion instead of the stupid abyss you're so looking down on

[copper pawn]

believing you actually have some IQ by being excellent at a game, those nobel prize winners whose poe knowledge is worse than me, is prolly very low IQ then

can't believe nowadays human IQ is dictated by how well how play a game for entertainment

[shadow sundial]

are we having a nerd slapfight over streamer cred

[warped wren]

I was trying to initially reason out how following something that moves at its own pace, then waiting for it to spawn stuff at its own pace, is "fast and efficient" vs just blasting through a map

but then I got told that because two HC groupfind streamers and a literal new player to POE being babysat by half the streamer community were doing it, IT IS THE BEST STRAT IN THE GAME!!!1111!!1

and because the person in question is an ignorant tool when it comes to which streamer specializes in what kind of content and to what degree, he literally said "I dunno who fubgun is, but look at how Ziz and Steelmage are MFing" and I just couldn't control my utter incredulity

[shadow sundial]

HCSSF is a different game

[warped wren]

yeah

like okay man

let me follow the HCSSF guys when it comes to Trade MF

rather than the guy who has, so far, dropped 11 raw mirrors, 4 raw MB, 5 raw HHs, and overall farmed 32 mirrors purely off the league mechanic

and who literally has made MFing the entire centerpoint of his streaming for at least the 6 leagues that I've been seeing his videos

then I finally realized that I'm just banging my head against a wall with someone that utterly clueless

[copper pawn]

oh I don't know it's a rare occurence to you that you can't convert someone to your religion

sorry about that

man, online argument luck is real, during the time I farmed 2 abyss maps and got like 15 div, not bad for a total noob like me

[faint mauve]

experiment and try out different stuff, once you learn more about the game you can decide the best mode for you

you dont need to engage in MFing or TFT , some players do ladder, some players do MF, some players speed run challenges

[copper pawn]

that's very true
for now I can eliminate bossing out of my bucket list already, and seeing what's next
actually I think it's much easier to identify what you don't like, much harder for what you like the most

[faint mauve]

some ppl just play to complete challenges and /quit

its actually quite varied how you want to approach POE

[copper pawn]

I think there's this content, the purple hand with circle expanding out and collapsing later on, I also don't like that

[faint mauve]

normal poe has come to the point for me if a league mech doesnt shit out divines its not worth doing

someone still needs to farm those catalysts for another

so if you engage the game from an SSF mindset all of them are worth doing

since there are stuff only obtainable in said league mechs

[copper pawn]

legion is the dark stone spawning mobs standing still for a while right?

[copper pawn]

maybe except heist?

[faint mauve]

i dunno heist is still good in ruthless

you get experimental bases for crafting, replica uniques

you can simply buy it off another if you dont want to do it, but someone is doing it

i dont do heist cause i have no need for it but if i did i'd prioritize it at some point

[copper pawn]

don't you get most fragmented base from just running maps?

[faint mauve]

maybe in normal poe

but ruthless's league mechs you do it because you need something from it, not because it shits out 1000 divines and magebloods

you enjoy the content for what it is not just another loot pinata

[copper pawn]

it's true ruthless is a completely different beast
now I know where the masochist mode of LE comes from

[faint mauve]

yah ruth is different, the game will punish you for making mistakes in your atlas strategy

and normal poe strats will simply not work so you gotta rethink the approach

im sustaining t14-16s for well over a week now while most players are still stuck

[copper pawn]

[daring shore]

what you guys miss is path is a figured out game

Legion has been good for years and it will be

abbys currently may be shining right now

but you can always

even in standart

slap together a HH build and get shit from legions

[warped wren]

it's actually the most common bowyer money making strat. Ele bow + IL (HH later) running Dunes / Canyon Legion with whatever level of Deli your build can tolerate

easy currency

[daring shore]

its literally at a point where people are starting the leauge with TS bow

[warped wren]

gets running on two stones and 2 scarabs

[daring shore]

honestly it has became a bit ass Bow's have been very

prominenent ?

[warped wren]

bows are obnoxious yes

I agree

it's silly

a single archetype should not be this stupidly dominant and accessible at all phases of the game while having basically infinite scaling

[copper pawn]

no matter which archetype shines, melee will always be the unwanted son 😅

[daring shore]

they can try to give it a go

but making D4.5 seems like a higher up in their priority list

the whole existance of ancestor totems are faul

[daring shore]

literally i will probably start trade and a TS build next leauge and do some stupid legion shit if they dont nerf bows to the ground

[warped wren]

after playing bows of all kinds this league (poison, Voltaxic, full ele, phys convert) I need to detox myself next league

[shadow sundial]

i've been determined to never play a bow build

so far i've been successful

[faint mauve]

i refuse to play bow builds, just like sorc in d2

i stopped playing minion builds last two leagues also so im focusing on melee

next league minions should be evened out more so might be the time

[copper pawn]

next league I intend to go caster, see how caster is in this game

[faint mauve]

2nd cortex drop

[copper pawn]

@warped wren so in a sense, legion doesn't benefit a lot from this league mechanics right?

but always consistent regardless of league

also unlike abyss strat which requires gilded scarab, legion seems to only require polished to get good return

[daring shore]

it does benefit

however you dont want a triple cock sanctus vox in your map

ready to tear your TS ass apart

unless you have your shit together and have enough damage to 1 shot 3 uber bosses in 1 click

then it doesnt matter

[warped wren]

So with WP you don't run into Generals that often, and if / when you do, the shit ton of Legion rares have already given you their buffs for HH, so you generally have the damage to kill them off

I would not do it without HH this league though, way too risky. Even rogue exiles get spicy sometimes

I just closed the game after doing a 7k+ triple juice map and I got clapped twice by triple empowered rogue exiles

Worth it though, got something 25d off that map

[copper pawn]

so many implicits are the sign of mirror tier item right?

[turbid trail]

yep

[copper pawn]

spire spawning for 5min already, is it a bug?

[maiden widget]

yes rare bug it doesnt grant you xp

so can just move on

[twilit mountain]

Gonna throw my hat in the ring here, Legion fucking sucks for some builds. Like the MF Chief people have been running this league cannot consistently pop even half a Legion, it is god awful. So while on a bow build Legion will definitely crush it, Abyss is still the efficient money maker for something that can't hit literal multiple screens of enemies at once.

That being said I'll probably hop to TS again eventually now that I have MB. Speed clears enticing.

[copper pawn]

I encounter this bug 2 continuous maps, can't believe it

[twilit mountain]

Unfortunate

[copper pawn]

since mirror bow and quiver is so far-fetched, I'm thinking either progenesis or juju with additional curse is the next upgrade for my bama, any advice?

[twilit mountain]

Juju will be far easier to acquire. Prog is still like 100d

[copper pawn]

do you think juju is any big of an upgrade? while I heard that prog is a massive upgrade in survivability

[twilit mountain]

Additional Curse is nice for damage. And again, it's just easier and cheaper to do. Would you rather get the small upgrade that will take next to no time and money or spend possibly days and spend all your profit on one upgrade?

[copper pawn]

just quick check price, juju with curse is 70+ div now, not too far away from prog

😭

yesterday I tried to buy some juju to vaal and quickly realized it's too time consuming

[twilit mountain]

That kinda seems like a you problem. It's 100% not worth spending 70divs on it, just spend the hour or two to make one.

I'd pay like, 10 tops.

[faint mauve]

isnt one of the cheese strats this league is exploiting the bug

i read about it for norm poe

[copper pawn]

I agree it's not worth at all

[copper pawn]

that bug is a real bug with nothing to exploit, no exp, no further drop

the only way is to leave it and move on

[faint mauve]

oh that one

no reason to do abyss tbh after you get your unique belt and those eyes for your build

you still need to do abit to get at least those SSF

[twilit mountain]

The "exploited" bug is making spires spawn more mobs by adding projectiles. Which also was something that was previously recognized as "a feature" by GGG and is only now considered a bug, so...

[copper pawn]

that was true before this league, in this league the spire spawn so many mobs that the drops from them are crazy, provided you can handle it

[faint mauve]

i got no reason to do abyss in ruth anyway

[copper pawn]

ruth is different I guess, in sc trade almost everyone I see is running abyss

[twilit mountain]

Most of the people wisp juicing are on Chief now. TS players will go Legion instead, Legion is just bad for builds that can't delete the screen.

[copper pawn]

I may throw in a few sanctum runs, dropped quite a bit of tomes

[twilit mountain]

How's your single target?

[copper pawn]

tbh I don't know, the guide say his setup is around 300m dps, my gear is around 80-85% of his, so I guess 200+m dps

[twilit mountain]

Uh

Plug your build into PoB

Don't just guess

[faint mauve]

if your a d2 veteran then i recommend ruthless for you

[copper pawn]

my gears are not much different from him, except lightning dmg is t2 while his is t1

[twilit mountain]

Keika

In the most polite way possible

[faint mauve]

cause its almost similar drop rate haha

[twilit mountain]

Estimating as a new player is a fool's errand

Every single time a new player has estimated stuff they end up so far off and then wondering why they aren't getting the same results, because they missed something integral

[faint mauve]

pretty much

[copper pawn]

so a t1 lightning dmg vs a t2 can lead to more than 50% dmg difference?

[faint mauve]

ppl are copying my build in ruthless but i tell them its no where near final

[twilit mountain]

Link me the guide

[faint mauve]

just test it yourself on POB

you can write the affix yourself on edit

see the numbers for yourself

[copper pawn]

https://pobb.in/TNseXhh0s34I

everything is similar, except the lightning damage on bow, even my quiver is equally good as the pob

[faint mauve]

then you shouldnt have any problems at all

[copper pawn]

yeah, normally I don't have problem as long as the wisp is below 10k

[faint mauve]

not possible in ruth to get 10k wisps cause of movement speed

the top 3 ladder in ruth are a 3 man team, im 4th solo

[copper pawn]

just feel that toughness is slightly lacking so I'm aiming for prog

[faint mauve]

well if your lvl 100 sc then its even more braindead

thats where ghazzys builds shine

because its pure dps no defenses

[twilit mountain]

I need to be completely clear, how similar

[copper pawn]

except the bow, mine is t2 lightning
and maybe watcher's eye, no cdr travel skills by haste

[faint mauve]

do you know how to config against pinnacles on pob ?

[copper pawn]

not yet, that sounds like some advanced stuff

[faint mauve]

i can show you

[twilit mountain]

That's not a good answer. In a PoB like this every stat matters. Is your gear 1 to 1 exactly the same otherwise

[faint mauve]

my build obviously without powercreep is configured against shaper slam without molten shell/potions up

so when i boss i can survive certain hits as long as my hp is 100%

[copper pawn]

is there a way I can send my pob to you?

[faint mauve]

in poe you can try copying a build but the funny thing is most of the time the actual build maker dont even use it

[twilit mountain]

Import on PoB, send link

[faint mauve]

its just a simplified explanation with no regard to whatever is your config on your gear

[copper pawn]

I assume the correct way to import my build is to untick all the delete right?

[placid yarrow]

You wanna tick them all

[twilit mountain]

No that just deletes what's placed in the PoB already (overwrites what you are currently looking at)

[placid yarrow]

If you wanna keep some things from the current pob but wanna import others is when you don't tick them

[twilit mountain]

Tick those

Otherwise you'll import with nothing but passive tree

[placid yarrow]

Real gigachads delete the pob, create a fresh one and import without ticking

[twilit mountain]

The reason I am asking for this is because you're hung up on Progenesis

Which looking at this one you should not need if you're matching their gear

They have a 355k effective hit pool against pinnacle bosses. That's fucking insane.

[copper pawn]

https://pobb.in/nimi26_Td4zM

problem with pob is that when I import my own, I don't know how to proceed next

clueless noob

[faint mauve]

your config is wrong

[copper pawn]

too spoiled by the simplicity of maxroll planners

[faint mauve]

you just imported and didnt adjust anything

[copper pawn]

I don't config anything, don't even know how

[faint mauve]

so you cant even calculate your dps ?

dont blame you cause minions is not straight forward

no one cared about minions for a long time until 2 leagues ago

[twilit mountain]

That ain't true

Minions have been very popular for at least the past 3 years

[faint mauve]

its true as far as meta is

dont get me wrong its good

its just not the zoomer choice for pure efficiency

[twilit mountain]

Keika missing so much damage....

[copper pawn]

kinda, those ghastly don't have % damage when use minion skills recently

[faint mauve]

he wouldnt know how to compare his dps against the build his copying ig

[twilit mountain]

Not only that

You're missing a huge chunk of crit multi, your large cluster is wasted (you require 35% increased effect ad 3% attack speed for minions, 25% and 2% does nothing)

[twilit mountain]

You have no minion damage on your bone ring

[faint mauve]

i configed against shaper slam your just gonna get one shotted hha

[twilit mountain]

You have no +level on your unset

Your gloves have a much lower implicit for damage

[copper pawn]

so how much dps am I missing?

[twilit mountain]

Your bow has a massive difference in comparison as well

[twilit mountain]

Uh... you have like 90mil right now in optimal conditions.

And not even a fraction of the EHP

[copper pawn]

err really? I thought t1 vs t2 lightning damage not that bad

[twilit mountain]

That alone is like 10mil

You have the wrong craft on it as well

Like

Way wrong

[copper pawn]

I opt for minion speed coz I don't think the 10% double damage is that huge for extended fight

[twilit mountain]

Less attack speed, less crit

[twilit mountain]

It is fucking insane, my guy

Double damage is one of the most disgusting things in the game

[copper pawn]

in any game yes, but only 10%

[twilit mountain]

You have 10 sources of damage

No offense, but if you're a new player and don't understand how things work why are you trying to edit something that's essentially perfected

[faint mauve]

your dps is decent enough anyway

the rest is just mechanics

[copper pawn]

his pathfinder bama also use minion speed instead of double damage

[twilit mountain]

That's a different build

[copper pawn]

and my logic is very simple: 10% to double damage is practically 10% multiplier, while 20+% minion speed, after diminishing return from other sources of speed, is also around 10%, isn't that the case in any arpg?

[faint mauve]

nice drop

[twilit mountain]

It's not a 10% multiplier

It's way, way more

[faint mauve]

dude just see your dps number go up

on pob

learn to scale the damage properly then you can think for yourself

[copper pawn]

what kind of math does poe follow? isn't 10% chance to deal x2 damage a 10% multiplier in terms of extended dps?

oh wait, the crit multi

damn, stupid me

[faint mauve]

it can also not be straight math

there might be a -negative base number

[twilit mountain]

I swapped out your bows. There's a 20% difference in damage just in the bows.

[copper pawn]

for the 10% double damage alone?

what the eff

[twilit mountain]

I swapped them in their entirety. Yours is passable, even good, but it's not comparable in the entirety of things.

[copper pawn]

man, and I thought mine should have been at least 150m dps or so, 90m feels pathetic

no wonder dude is worrying about killing abyss spire too fast while I never see that problem at all

[daring shore]

90m feels pathetic

kekw

90m will allow you to kill any single thing in the game

its literally redundant

[copper pawn]

for this build I mean, subtractem spent 200+div just to make his guardian srs 100m dps

[twilit mountain]

Crit multi on your quiver is another roughly 9.2mil fyi

[daring shore]

https://tenor.com/view/dracula-flow-i'm-him-i-been-him-i-will-continue-to-be-him-gif-11190399534092412874

[copper pawn]

kk, time to spend my div

forget about juju or prog

[twilit mountain]

Juju with extra curse is also almost certainly a damage multiplier btw. You keep overwriting your curses which is making your damage inconsistent.

+20mil DPS yup

[copper pawn]

yeah, but it will take quite a lot of time to deal with, so I guess I'll start by improving my large jewel and quiver, the ones cheaper to improve

[twilit mountain]

Just a heads up, the cluster upgrade is probably gonna cost you a good chunk of money

Minion damage craft on gloves is another 2.5-3mil or so.

You don't have offering effect on boots, that's really big

Also, also, you realize that cooldown recovery on watcher's eye is yet another source of consistency, yeah?

Your flasks are pretty shit btw

[copper pawn]

yeah, was lacking the ichor and ember, will pump them in now

[copper pawn]

% armour missing right?

[twilit mountain]

You're also running poor charms, which are another source of damage and survival

[twilit mountain]

% armor and no charges when hit which means terrible uptime outside of maps

[copper pawn]

don't wanna think about % armour applied to ele dmg on charm, those will cost a shit ton of div

lol forget about quiver also, shit is more expensive than prog

[twilit mountain]

Just sayin. This is a good chunk of why your survival isn't feeling too great.

[copper pawn]

or I may forget about the conc ground and just buy the 2% armor charm, 3% is kinda expensive

[twilit mountain]

At least you kinda get the idea, I think. There's a lot of small things to be adjusted that add up to a lot more than it seems.

[copper pawn]

after checking, the only viable upgrade now is the jewel, do you think the 4 div is worth it?

[twilit mountain]

How much do you have?

[copper pawn]

counting my chaos as well, around 30 div

[twilit mountain]

I'd save up money. I think your biggest single upgrade right now is Juju corrupt. It's annoying but I personally recommend just doing it manually.

[copper pawn]

better buy than drop right? too annoying to hover over every single citrine amulet in map

[twilit mountain]

Yea, just buy a bunch of uncorrupted ones and start slapping em

[copper pawn]

what about the armour applies to ele dmg? I can buy 2 for cheap

[twilit mountain]

I'd grab them in the meantime, they should help you stay alive a bit easier

[copper pawn]

thanks a lot for all the recommendations, much appreciated

[twilit mountain]

No prob. I'm sorry if I sounded condescending or anything like that at any point, I'm not trying to be, I'm just bad at communicating.

[maiden widget]

why not just annoint +1 curse on juju in the meantime

[twilit mountain]

They're using a +1 spectre annoint, it'd hurt them in one way or another

[maiden widget]

ah true

[copper pawn]

that's also a possible option, the least important spectre in the setup is blasphemer but even then its smite is good

[twilit mountain]

Poggers made a 30d sale

That just paid for my Kalandra

[copper pawn]

man, I hope someone quickly buys my 0.99% crit chance charm so I can fund my upgrade

[stable shore]

Hello master PoE chef, did you start the shockwave totem cooking ?

[warped wren]

Oh for sure

I agree with that wholeheartedly

Also Deias

[twilit mountain]

Nah, I'm checking some stuff atm.

[warped wren]

Found this fracture last night

[twilit mountain]

Ooh nice

[warped wren]

Threw a few int essences at it but not too satisfied yet

Maybe I buy and throw a few more

[junior oyster]

Wow that is shit. You should give it to me

[warped wren]

Want to see if I can hit 150+ Omni on it

Tbf Omni gear is kinda unpopular this league but I might just keep it for myself since I have Kalandra's Touch anyway

[twilit mountain]

I flex a little

[warped wren]

That's the kinda ring I wanna make

[twilit mountain]

I bought a div of essences and then hit that in 3 rolls

[warped wren]

It do be like that

[twilit mountain]

The phys wasn't there initially, that was a slam

Loading into tarkov, back soon

[warped wren]

I bought 2 divs of loathings for my rarity helm, 7th roll I hit t1 life, t1 rarity suffix and empty suffix slot for rarity craft

I was like ok then

I'll take the 90 rarity, 90 life, double res efficiency

[copper pawn]

look juicy, worth anything?

[twilit mountain]

Do you have a macro?

[copper pawn]

awakened you mean? that one only shows result when I untick quite a few mods

also, how do people even get the veil recipe for flask, I never see any veiled flask dropping at all

[twilit mountain]

Cinderswallow Urn. It's a unique flask that only drops from Catarina.

It always drops veiled.

[copper pawn]

I see, need to kill catarina often enough

[twilit mountain]

As for this, odds are if it only shows if you untick a bunch of things it's probably not super valuable. Looking at that I think the only things I'd leave ticked are reservation, phys damage, phasing. Maybe, shock avoid (but people probably won't search for corrupted shock avoid since abyss jewels can roll like 40% shock avoid naturally I think)

[gloomy willow]

hey guys, any cool arpgs that has been released during 2023? 😄

[eternal sky]

No

[copper pawn]

d4, oh wait...nvm...zzz

[gloomy willow]

well even if it was good, no way im paying over 70 euros for that

[copper pawn]

standard AAA price though, and I heard GTA6 will be $100

[lethal bane]

That's wild

[gloomy willow]

i dont care if its standard, when games costs more than a weeks food, im not sponsoring it

its disgusting 😂

[junior oyster]

No but Grim Dawn is set to release an expansion sometime this year and I think some people will have PoE2 early access.

[gloomy willow]

yeah ive heard of them both. Im excited for poe2, but ive given up on grimdawn. I was hopeful they had removed the whole need to go through all 3 levels of the acts, but its only removed if youve already finished it.... 😭

[junior oyster]

I'm ok with doing the acts all over 3x and besides you can unlock the higher difficulties by finishing act 4.

If you have the right skills and items you can easily skip to act 4

[gloomy willow]

Im not okay when it takes me like 25-30h to get through the basegame, im too much of a slow player

[junior oyster]

Skill issue

[gloomy willow]

And ive played through the first game so many times that i cant be arsed to do it again

[copper pawn]

don't they allow you to play straight in highest difficulty from level 1 already?

[gloomy willow]

perhaps but if i wanted to speed through everything then id stick to poe

[junior oyster]

If you unlock it on a prior toon, yea

[gloomy willow]

not on a freshly made character, i couldnt even start directly on elite

which would of been nice

[copper pawn]

that's like 99% veteran GD players

[junior oyster]

How do you speed through PoE campaign if you take 25-30 hours in grim dawn? Lol

[gloomy willow]

becuase i like to get to know the game in grimdawn and i dont care about the lore in poe? and the whole speedrunning in poe has made me burned out on it

and having to do the same shit 3 times over is very frustrating

at least in poe you can stick to one character throughout the season

[copper pawn]

wait, so you basically reset the whole GD, thus now you have to play thru all 3 difficulties?

[gloomy willow]

ive gotten through normal mode, unlocked elite but never finished it

so no matter what, ill have to go through all three modes with a character, its just so sluggish

[copper pawn]

not even once since you bought the game?

[gloomy willow]

no becuase i have such limited time and whenever i get back to the game, i create a new character either cuz the old build was shit or not interested in it anymore

[copper pawn]

I mean, you just need to get 1 char thru 3 difficulties, for only once, right?

[gloomy willow]

yeah, but thats going to take me several months

cuz i dont like speeding through the games 😅

[junior oyster]

Well that does make sense. In PoE I want to rush to maps and in GD I love to explore

That's why I don't mind playing all over 3x

Why not challenge yourself and start in ultimate then?

[gloomy willow]

everytime i get back to GrimDawn, ive forgotten the story so i always start it over

[copper pawn]

I think he has to have 1 char to unlock all 3 difficulties first

[gloomy willow]

would love too but ive never unlocked it