📚┃off-topic

[placid yarrow]

Yeah please do

I think I've seen it but I don't remember much from it

[stable shore]

it's genuinely sad

sanji could be a near perfect character without those moments

i miss the mister prince sanji from alabasta, or when he went alone on a suicide mission to get robin back

there is also a moment when he asks nami to buy a female slave when in sabaody

[placid yarrow]

Yea

[stable shore]

i think this might be his lowest moment ever

[placid yarrow]

I think Zoro is still badass but he's been kinda stagnant since his training arc against the monkeys, like the fight vs king was awesome but it's king of single event in a long ass time

[lethal bane]

Oh God that is low

[stable shore]

zoro sadly is a hollow shell in post time skip

he doesn't really have a personality anymore

[stable shore]

i just wish king wasn't such an idiot

[placid yarrow]

Yeah I remember him laughing and stuff before timeskip

[stable shore]

he is probably the least intelligent fighter we got so far

[placid yarrow]

Hes always just a stone now

Yeah king was kinda strong but there was no strategy that fight tbh

[stable shore]

if king was half intelligent, he would have killed zoro

[placid yarrow]

Yup

He was basically immune to damage

[stable shore]

there is no given explanation as to why he can't keep his flames up

[placid yarrow]

But then just went full dummy

[stable shore]

he could still heavily damage zoro without the speed boost

[placid yarrow]

Yeah he was clearly dealing DMG

Ye

[stable shore]

he didn't use his hybrid zoan form

he didn't use haki

character not using haki at this point in the story is way beyond me

even more when it's not being of "he forgot he had it", but because they don't know it at all

[placid yarrow]

Also how tf did no one ask Zoro about nine sword style

[stable shore]

how come the average beast pirate goon has haki

but not every straw hats ?

[placid yarrow]

People have seen it

[stable shore]

no one asked for his eyes

[placid yarrow]

True lol

[stable shore]

and you gotta consider even nami noticed usopp became more muscular

so they did notice people changed

but no statement on zoro's eye

[placid yarrow]

His eye and his nine sword style are both so blatant it's like how didn't we instantly learn about them when they met up post time skip

I mean the nine sword style was revealed at punk hazard I think

But still

[stable shore]

you saw luffy's dream scene ?

when he says it out loud on screen

[placid yarrow]

Why would you keep anything secret from your crewmates lol

[stable shore]

except readers can't hear it

and then you have reaction faces

i fucking hate that

[placid yarrow]

Yea

It's just building hype in the worst and laziest way

[stable shore]

it's NOT a secret, it's like if on a movie, sommeone says something big on screen with no cut and you have a buzzer sound at the same time to mute him

[placid yarrow]

Yeah idk I don't take the show seriously anymore which is why I also don't read it, I just watch the weekly episode and go about my day lol

[stable shore]

also can we talk about how inactive one piece world is ?

[placid yarrow]

I'm not that deep into it

[stable shore]

nothing happens until luffy arrives

[placid yarrow]

Dude the op world is stagnant af

[stable shore]

it feels like a mmo world with dungeon waiting the player to beat them

[placid yarrow]

Luffy went from nothing to warlord while 99% of others didn't get any stronger

A few key characters got stronger

But literally the entire rest of the world is chilling

[stable shore]

you know luffy journey from post time skip begining to now is like a few months max ?

roger needed like 40+ years to find the one piece

[placid yarrow]

Really?

[stable shore]

yes

[placid yarrow]

I thought it was a few years by now

[stable shore]

to be fair, it is stated he lost a lot of his lifespan

he isn't gonna live long

but knowing oda it will be irrelevant of course

need a happy ending

[placid yarrow]

And on the haki thing yeah, how some of the crew still don't use it is insane

[stable shore]

imagine robin with advanced armament haki

[placid yarrow]

Like nami is literally a normal chick with a magic stick still

[stable shore]

like robin could apply advanced haki to every body part she summons

she would be an absolute monster in fight

[placid yarrow]

How she doesn't instantly die whenever she gets hit is a wonder

Like ulti should've oneshot nami

Like not knocked out

Dead af

Insta death

Skull exploded

Same with usopp

But nope

[stable shore]

yep

[placid yarrow]

Usopp gets a crack in his skull that never gets mentioned again and he's somehow able to keep moving and fighting a bit after

[stable shore]

thanks god plot armour arrived and big mom one shotted the dino simblings

[placid yarrow]

Yeah but like they both got hit by her

She even used haki on her forehead

[stable shore]

also i hate how wanked some character are in the community

[placid yarrow]

We're talking a supposedly genuinely strong character

[stable shore]

real talk, cracker could legitimately beat current luffy gear 4

if they were on 1v1

cracker just happened to fight luffy with nami having the ONLY power that can beat him

[placid yarrow]

Katakuri should've won too

[stable shore]

luffy struggles a lot to even break 1 biscuit solider

[placid yarrow]

That sister plot armour bs was lame

[stable shore]

and cracker out of his biscuit solider basically no diff luffy gear 4

[stable shore]

infinite endurance glitch

123 fucking hits landed from katakuri

[placid yarrow]

Honestly even don krieg should've won against Luffy lul

[stable shore]

13

for luffy

it's what i hate with luffy

he has ungodly endurance

[placid yarrow]

Yea

[stable shore]

katakuri was superior in every way to luffy at this point in the story

he should be tankier and hit harder

[placid yarrow]

The fact that he collapsed after one hit from kaido at the start of the wano arc was so out of place

After all these insane endurance showcases

[stable shore]

kinemon out of all people facetanked the same attack

[placid yarrow]

Yeah it was dumb af

Luffy had tanked way worse way earlier jn the story

[stable shore]

luffy should have never beat katakuri at all

[placid yarrow]

Agree

[stable shore]

katakuri at this point in the fight when luffy started actually placing hits was at like 95% hp

while luffy should have been near dead

[placid yarrow]

He should've lost a ton of his battles tbh

[stable shore]

the only really fair no bullshit fight i can think off are lucci and doflamingo

[placid yarrow]

Don krieg was on fucking baratie lol

Legit don krieg wins

[stable shore]

don krieg should have won if it wasn't for mihawk

crocodile should have won

kaido should have won

katakuri too

[placid yarrow]

Yeah the water bs with crocodile was comical

[stable shore]

and hell

cracker should have won too

[placid yarrow]

Big mom was a joke in the wano fight

[stable shore]

i'm even ready to say cracker is stronger than katakuri in 1v1

his fruit is genuinely broken

you can't beat that in 1v1 if you don't have luffy infinite HP glitch

[placid yarrow]

They went from not standing a chance against her with their alliance to Luffy basically 1 v 2 killing her

[stable shore]

big mom was the biggest character murder in history of one piece

she should have never came to wano in the first place

[placid yarrow]

Yeah agreed

[stable shore]

you are aware of who vegapunk is ?

[placid yarrow]

She should have come back later in the story as a stronger villain than kaido

[stable shore]

100%

[placid yarrow]

Yeah I read a little into it

But not too much

[stable shore]

i think she was stronger than kaido anyway

[placid yarrow]

I just know about the lots of robo bodies

[stable shore]

mostly because her fruit is broken

and her crew overall is a lot stronger than kaido's crew

[placid yarrow]

Yea

Her dying like she did was a disgrace

[stable shore]

i think it's safe to say anyone that isn't a calimity is a fodder in kaido's crew

ulti and page 1 were strong arguably

the other, yeah no

[placid yarrow]

Yeah but nami can tank a hit from ulti

What a joke lol

[stable shore]

but hey, i'm still happy about wano for one thing

[placid yarrow]

She should have an easier time making a rifle shot bounce off her head than tanking that hit

[stable shore]

best zoan design in one piece imo

[placid yarrow]

Dude what's the long boi guy called again lol

[stable shore]

wich long boi ?

[placid yarrow]

The one with the goggles

That could detach himself lol

[stable shore]

buggy ?

[placid yarrow]

Nah

Let me look it up

[stable shore]

wich arc ?

[placid yarrow]

Wano

[stable shore]

apoo ?

[placid yarrow]

Queen

[stable shore]

oh, you should have said fat guy

[placid yarrow]

True lol

[stable shore]

would have narrowed it down more

well what to say aside of the fact he was a fraud

friendly fire, stupid inventions

weak

his song was fire i guess

[placid yarrow]

I'm trying to find what he did that I found dumb af

[stable shore]

getting hit by his own attack ?

spreading an illness among his own mans ?

dumb moment for quin doesn't really narrow it down

his moments were 99% dumb

[placid yarrow]

Lol

[stable shore]

the only redeeming part of wano are ulti and page 1

pretty much the only competent beast pirate

lost because of plot armour and not because of skill issue

they have serious drip

i genuinely think ulti was stronger than queen and jack

though i think jack got giga nerfed in between, so it's hard to say

[placid yarrow]

Ye

[stable shore]

this is how real chads discuss

(the cutscene placed me like that, not me)

[near hedge]

allloonnss-y!!!

[stable shore]

ff14 french dub is insanely good by the way

i wonder if i can choose to have french for everything except items and skills tootlitp

[near hedge]

i think you can only do it as diaglog only, or both

[stable shore]

does queue continue even if i'm afk btw ?

[near hedge]

yuuuuppp

[stable shore]

i just killed edilibus

well i have to admit even as a edilibus hater, he has redeeming qualities

the bossfight is the most fun boss i fought so far, and he is very hot

it's kind of a boss where you spend a lot of time not fighting to do mechanic, so i wasn't able to pull out my giga burst to finish him since i was targeted my a drake sadly

10/10 boss either way

[near hedge]

lol her transformed into us

did you catch emet coming in and saving you, half way through

[stable shore]

yup

he is just the best

[faint mauve]

cassie spawn lol

[stable shore]

You can't imagine how much i love this screenshot. It makes me think of my favourite raid of another mmo

It's so similar

[shadow sundial]

its been a long ass time since i played it but that kind of looks like Jormungander raid or w/e it was called, from GW2

[junior oyster]

It looks like D4

[tame dome]

@rugged island Talking about D4 immediately made me think of this:

[placid yarrow]

[rugged island]

The bags under their eyes

you already can tell bobby is making them work 80 hour weeks

with no OT because salaried employee

the middle guy looks so sad lol

[tame dome]

Haha. Game directors...amirite?

[narrow token]

Eh, thankless job is thankless. Overworked, underpaid, etc...

[stable shore]

nice, i managed to make a bis perforate enchanted helmet before it goes legacy

don't mind the dogshit base, i used the bases i could find. no need to mention not many people list perforate bases

[faint mauve]

those display case mtx's are nice to put items like that in

[stable shore]

nah that item is too mid for that

[faint mauve]

also it highlights what mode its from ruth / non ruth etc

[stable shore]

this is more like it already

[faint mauve]

i have a little museum of display cases hahaha

[stable shore]

or that

to be fair, i don't have crazy item to display

i don't consider mirrored shit as worth displaying

in std, it would be more like crazy corrupt on expensive af items, or AA

[faint mauve]

its whatever you consider worth displaying since its mainly for yourself

[stable shore]

true

[faint mauve]

i put stuff like my ruthless devoto's devotion, ashes etc

i dunno how ppl have this sorta glass windows on the map layout base

if its some special event mtx or something

i like decorating abit as i do ffxiv, if im gonna do some craft/trading in base i might as well make it look cool haha

[stable shore]

ruthless ashes is definitely worth displaying

it's big dick loot

[faint mauve]

someone this league found aegis

and then double corrupted it

think the player used it, i dont think its worth selling haha

[simple needle]

@daring shore did you @ me

[daring shore]

i did

with the dragunov trailer

[stable shore]

did it land anything significant

[faint mauve]

yah

[stable shore]

i tried to double corrupt darkray verctors for extra MS

no luck though

i tried many times

[faint mauve]

i wouldnt have the balls to double corrupt an aegis in ruthless

[stable shore]

my character was fast as fuck, but i wanted it to be fastrer

[simple needle]

D2 into full crouch mix up?

[stable shore]

i definitely wouldn't have them either

[simple needle]

Wth is that

[faint mauve]

but i think if you drop something super rare you might as well

depends on the player i guess haha

[simple needle]

I also see a guaranteed full crouch grab

[daring shore]

ye they gave him a fc 2

and you can use the crouch grab after 4,3

like how king can use pedigree after the jaguar step

[stable shore]

i experimented a bit perforate before it gets buffed

i had a level 1 perforate gem and a 5link because tade is down, so couldn't buy any gem

but i can still one shot uber maven

so like, sounds good

next patch 21 perforate will be the equiavlent of level 33 current perforate

[twilit mountain]

@stable shore I'm gonna play Lightning Spire Traps and no one can stop me

[viral galleon]

bruh

[faint mauve]

as in inverted ? means 20% res becomes -20% ? haha

[viral galleon]

as in 75% becomes -75% yeah

but look at the cost

[faint mauve]

compared to say trauma probably still ok right

or i guess combine with trauma support

[viral galleon]

hmm, maybe

ele damage doesn't have the stun bonus from phys though

[placid yarrow]

Doesn't feel like that big of a deal unless you were already planning on using wild strike since you can get 25% chance to invert resistances from the passive tree.

I guess you could pump enemy resistances with this though, since you wouldn't wanna do that with the 25%

[twilit mountain]

Couple folks I know are looking at Doryani's for it

[viral galleon]

i guess you could combat focus it for pure lightning with fist

[twilit mountain]

Not fist, Prototype.

[viral galleon]

ok well my point still stands about combat focus for pure lightning lol

[twilit mountain]

I mean, yeah, that's the goal. Just wrong Doryani's.

[viral galleon]

i guess my brain saw "doryani's for it" and read doryani's fist

[eternal sky]

new srs gem do be poppin

also id like dorys alot more

if a fucking blue circle just didnt take a dump on my skull everytime it showed up

[waxen sonnet]

Bruv...that's rakiatas without rakiata

I want to go to there

[viral galleon]

oh my god

vampire survivors just announced a dlc cross over with amogus

[solar tiger]

Every day we stray further from god

[eternal sky]

https://tenor.com/view/punisher-no-no-no-tanklorde-gif-25785566

[eager ridge]

isnt that just

tempest strike

what

[copper pawn]

I'm thinking back and forth and in the end I decide to pass poe completely, rather spend the stash tab money to buy those tabs but for poe2, it's just half a year away anyway. Can't pay for something I know I will not touch when the next version comes, unless they promise the tabs can carry over

and it's also better for my mental health to relearn a new game on the same starting point with everyone else, rather than catching up to the knowledge of the 1001 endgame mechanics in the past 10 years

[twilit mountain]

I'm like 99% sure they said all purchases are shared between games

[placid yarrow]

Yup they will

Cosmetics will carry over too

[twilit mountain]

Also PoE2 is not half a year away. The very start of closed beta is.

[placid yarrow]

People who've been playing poe 1 will have an insane advantage to players new to the Poe franchise even if poe 2 is really different

You won't even be close to the same starting point sadly

[warped wren]

also at least some of the game mechanics will be shared

kinda inevitable

though PoE2's version is likely to be more streamlined and optimized (e.g. gems and links)

[placid yarrow]

Not just some, quite a few things are just gonna be the same pretty much, we know from the demos people could play on exilecon

They're not trying to reinvent every single thing

[copper pawn]

does it mean stash tabs carry over?

[placid yarrow]

Yes

They're purchases

[copper pawn]

that's great to hear, don't wanna lose anything

[placid yarrow]

Idk if I would get league specific ones since some league mechanics might not carry over

So just get generic ones and quad tabs and stuff tbh

Since they did mention that stuff like shapeshift mtx in Poe 2 won't carry to Poe 1 since that doesn't exist in Poe 1

[warped wren]

people have literally 1000s of $ invested, they'd get a lot of rage if folks couldn't transfer

[placid yarrow]

Same thing can apply to stash tabs for mechanics that dont exist in Poe 2 I imagine

[warped wren]

was a smart decision on their part

I think even I've put in at least a few hundred dollars over the years

[copper pawn]

think OW2 vs OW1

[twilit mountain]

I've put in a few hundred myself

[placid yarrow]

Idk i wouldn't have been mad lol, they're making a brand new game they should get paid again for it, I have everything I'll need except for a new stash tab every so often when they release a good one

[warped wren]

yeah GGG isn't Blizzard

[copper pawn]

but they are now tencent right?

[warped wren]

Tencent is just an investor, their ops haven't outwardly changed before and after the acquisition

[twilit mountain]

Yeah ^ that also happened a VERY VERY long time ago

[placid yarrow]

Yeah Tencent doesn't change anything

They very rarely mess with western production at all

[copper pawn]

that's 1 thing I like about chinese investors, they don't wanna influence things, just wanna make money

[placid yarrow]

Yup

[copper pawn]

volvo for example never change after being acquired by the chinese

[placid yarrow]

Tencent themselves have made some shady stuff, but they haven't fucked over any of the companies they invest into afaik really

And even the shady stuff they do is just copy other peoples apps and stuff but make them better and bigger and run them out of bussiness

[copper pawn]

as long as chris wilson is still there, it's still all good I guess

[placid yarrow]

It's kinda competition but they're just so big that the original companies don't stand a chance lol

[twilit mountain]

Wait did someone just praise Chris WIlson?

[placid yarrow]

Chris is a gigachad wdym

[copper pawn]

[placid yarrow]

He's got the vision

[twilit mountain]

People fuckin never do that in the PoE community

There's like, vehement hatred towards him in there

[placid yarrow]

Nah people just meme on the vision but whenever you seem him in trailers and in exilecon and stuff everyone's pogging for him in my experience

[warped wren]

eh, wouldn't say that exactly

he gets his fair share of hate

[placid yarrow]

Yeah I think overall people like Chris tbh

[warped wren]

but he's the face of the company so it's kinda his job, and he does it well no doubt

[placid yarrow]

Like if they changed Chris out for someone else everyone would be in uproar

[warped wren]

from what I've heard from people who attended Exilecon, he got a lot of deserved warmth from the community

[twilit mountain]

I think people who go to exilecon are generally gonna be of the extremely positive side

[placid yarrow]

Yeah but even on the streams

Like what's left, some salty people on Reddit?

And path of math lol

[twilit mountain]

Fair enough ig. I'm not active in most streams since I dislike most of the personalities and heavily dislike a lot of the language their chats tend to use. But the Reddit, in game, forums, and multiple Discords are all pretty fucked towards him in my experience.

[warped wren]

Path of McDonalds doesn't play anymore afaik?

[twilit mountain]

Did he quit after getting his ass banned?

[warped wren]

Reddit is mostly unhinged I agree

[placid yarrow]

Yeah I mean those are the vocal minority type of places though

[twilit mountain]

I mean

Not sure I'd call the Reddit the minority, frankly

[warped wren]

it really is

[placid yarrow]

100%

Plus reddit is reddit

[twilit mountain]

based on player numbers it's hard to agree on that

[placid yarrow]

It's just automatically gonna be salty lul

[warped wren]

like what %age of Redditors are active posters vs players per league

Reddits are always a skewed representation

I think outside of Hades, I've never really seen a giga positive subreddit

not even for DRG, which is honestly such a wholesome community

[daring shore]

GGG is the bane of my existance

1 day

[twilit mountain]

That's what I hear but I also see a lot of games where the Reddit is, in fact, the largest community hub available. Hell, Destiny's Reddit is extremely active and the only community hub available. It's also fucking awful, do not go there, please god.

[warped wren]

if you go by Reddit, every league is the worst league in development history and Chris is a clown and the devs should be fired and shit

[daring shore]

they are going to kill path 1

bc their dumbass cannot develop content for 2 games at the same time

then i will be angry

[placid yarrow]

Poe has a player base of 31 mil while the reddit has 600k accounts following it

It's a minority

[daring shore]

Chris

and his fetish for base game drops

and

D2

is the bane of my existance

[copper pawn]

also you need external loot filter when playing poe right?

[daring shore]

the man refuses to modernize the game

[placid yarrow]

Lol

[twilit mountain]

Correct me if I am wrong

But the most players ever in a league is less than 500k, no?

[placid yarrow]

Nah like 900k

[warped wren]

yes

[twilit mountain]

Which?

[warped wren]

you need LOTS of external things

[placid yarrow]

I'd have to look it up again but that's what I remember

[warped wren]

c'est la PoE

[copper pawn]

fuck me

[daring shore]

also its hard to get the correct info on how many people are playing

[warped wren]

it's fine, much of it is passive / hotkey bound

[daring shore]

bc steam client and their own client

[placid yarrow]

Ah that was daily mb

[warped wren]

the only software you'll need to learn to actively decipher is Path of Building, which really is important

[placid yarrow]

Concurrent is like 330k

[daring shore]

Steam charts says all time peak for path is 209k

but this does not include the standalone users

[placid yarrow]

Their highest concurrent was 321k in crucible

[twilit mountain]

Ah god they're cooking again

[placid yarrow]

Registered users is 31 mil but obviously bloated because it's f2p

I think it's safe to say you can at least double the games concurrent to get daily though

Those 300k people aren't staying on for 24 hours each lol

[daring shore]

ultimatum had like a 60k que

there is some good number of people playing at leauge launch

[placid yarrow]

I think it's safe to say that 900k is a pretty accurate number for their peak daily users

[warped wren]

all these Cleave copium huffers gonna be regretting their life choices very soon

[daring shore]

Chaos on hit Deadeye cobra lash

nothing will go wrong

first i will get a wasps nest

and then a 6link

and then bingo bango shank eldritch bosses

[placid yarrow]

I'm surprised 2/3'rds play on steam

[twilit mountain]

I'm not, it's convenient

[daring shore]

ever since they fixed the differences in update speed

[twilit mountain]

And gamers fucking hate inconvenience

[daring shore]

its just convinent

[placid yarrow]

Fair, I guess I'm just used to playing on standalone

[daring shore]

i was using steam client even before the update speed

[placid yarrow]

Was actually thinking of downloading on steam this time around

[copper pawn]

how much is the standard stash tab package again?
I also wanna play SSF, any loot filter to recommend?

[daring shore]

i play SSF

[twilit mountain]

I've been using Steam since I was able to ditch playing via cloud shit

[daring shore]

what other people do does not concern me

they do not exist

[placid yarrow]

For me i changed because the standalone had better performance for me since I didn't need to run steam in the background

And I was on a potato

[twilit mountain]

Standalone refuses to let me save my login

So I just say fuck it

[daring shore]

well they do a stash tab sale a couple weeks after launch so wait for that

if you go into specialized tabs its gonna ramp up a lot

[twilit mountain]

Tab sales are every 3 weekends.

[daring shore]

but if you just get a currency and Map tab it should be good to start

[copper pawn]

SSF will not cost as many tabs right?

[daring shore]

nah

[placid yarrow]

You need at least 3 quad tabs

[daring shore]

i have 1 of each speciality tab and a quad tab

but that is bc i am an addicted fuck

[placid yarrow]

I have a gem and flask tab

I'm a baller

[daring shore]

you are not there yet

you can get by with a currency and map tab

[placid yarrow]

They're so useless lol

[twilit mountain]

I have one of each speciality, a quad, and... many premiums.

[daring shore]

hell if you truly want the testing exprience

dont get any tabs

[placid yarrow]

Yup just f2p it

Especially if you're ssf

I don't think it'll be that bad until like red maps or something

[copper pawn]

what the hell is a quad tab?

[daring shore]

its a big tab

that has 4x the space of a normal tab

therefore "Quad" tab

[twilit mountain]

It's the tab for making Bad Apple

[copper pawn]

so buy 1 map, 1 currency, 1 quad tab and all good?

[placid yarrow]

Wish LE had quad tabs

They're so nice

[daring shore]

no you dont need quad at first

[placid yarrow]

You don't need a quad

[daring shore]

you dont even need tabs at first

just play the game at first

[warped wren]

that should help you a lot yes, you can choose to get a single premium rather than quad but I recommend quad

[daring shore]

if you want to stick around you can start by buying currency and map tabs

[copper pawn]

ok, tabs aside, what loot filter do you guys recommend?

[warped wren]

Neversink

[daring shore]

go to filterblade

copy from there

[warped wren]

can never go wrong with it

yeah filterblade.xyz

[placid yarrow]

Is never sink good for ssf?

[daring shore]

why wouldnt it be

you can customize everything

[warped wren]

lower strictness yeah

[twilit mountain]

https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/nlve3k/another_bad_apple/
This is true endgame

[placid yarrow]

Idk might hide some useful stuff that's not worth much in trade

[daring shore]

well he will use a lower strictness filter

the man aint going to use a hardcore filter from start

[placid yarrow]

They cheated

Imagine not spending 3 years

Manually filling a quad tab

Frame by frame

[twilit mountain]

Does it matter? It's funny

[placid yarrow]

No it doesn't I'm just joking lol of course they didn't do it legit

That'd be demented

[twilit mountain]

soon. Surely.

[placid yarrow]

This is my phone wallpaper

[twilit mountain]

Mine is an emblem from Destiny 2

Man screenshots of my phone show up super weird lmao

[placid yarrow]

God damn those icons are big lol

[twilit mountain]

Yeah, but that's alright. I have weirdly wide thumbs for my hand shape.

[stable shore]

Woah playing meta i see

[warped wren]

You what

[stable shore]

Yeah, i don't even need any support gem to beat her in a few seconds to be fair

Or level on my skill

[warped wren]

With a lv 1 Perforate in a 5-link

[stable shore]

Yes

[warped wren]

What the fuck kinda gear do you have

[stable shore]

Just the average standard slayer impale gear

[warped wren]

Standard

Impale

Say no more

[stable shore]

I actually don't use any legacy impale related gear

Deep cuts is not as good as most people think

[warped wren]

I feel like we had this conversation before once and my brain almost imploded at seeing a few of your gear pieces

[stable shore]

Run through is stronger than deep cuts from 8 impale stacks

wich you naturally have with master of metal and +2 eye

So deep cuts wasn't really ever op haha

[stable shore]

Probably yes

[warped wren]

There is basically no world in which you don't have giga mirror tier gear to be able to kill Uber Maven in a few seconds with fucking Perforate

[stable shore]

Level 1 5linked *

Level 1 is like 115% damage effectiveness

Next patch level 21 will be like 265%

And it will come with +2 spikes

My damage is multiplied by the amount of spikes i have

Rn i had 9 because i don't bother swapping stance

Next patch it will be 11

For 1.7 billion dps

[warped wren]

I never did bother to invest in a Standard character

Maybe i should have

[stable shore]

Oh yeah, you can do fun stuff

Perforate is genuinely a giga fun skill

Either way i'm happy i managed to make a GG +2 spikes perforate helmet before patch

The base sucks, but it is what it is. I have 0 armour or eva anyway

I only needed it to have at least 1 armour for +1% max res mastery

And it has 69 armour at 0 quality

[vagrant topaz]

I am very excited by the new lacerate of bleeding.

I really enjoyed the regular one a few leagues ago

It's probably still subpar compare to other stuff, but I really liked it

[stable shore]

The lacerate gems actually sound viable lmao

[vagrant topaz]

The bleed one or the slow 2h one

[stable shore]

both

i don't need much to call a gem viable, i am a trash skill enjoyer

but current lacerate is way too trash even for my standards

that 300% damage multiplier is just insane

[vagrant topaz]

Trash skill enjoyer in Poe, elitist pusher in LE

[stable shore]

i mean, in last epoch i am a meta abuser of circumstance

my favourite skill happens to be broken to hell

fuck i didn't see that attack speed multiplier

forget what i said, it's dogshit

the bleed one looks very good though

[vagrant topaz]

What is the difference between added Dmg and attack dmg?

[turbid trail]

One is from weapon other from everything else

[turbid trail]

Steel rings for example

[stable shore]

what do you mean ?

[vagrant topaz]

Attack dmg is from weapon?

[turbid trail]

Yea

[stable shore]

it's just flat vs multiplier

[copper pawn]

can someone recommend me the best budget build for next league? or most ssf friendly

[stable shore]

but flat is actually dogshit on melee skill compared to multiplier for endgame

it's just more confortable as budget

[turbid trail]

DD

[stable shore]

but generally with a juicy weapon, multiplier + attack speed > all

[vagrant topaz]

Gardian srs from what I saw

[copper pawn]

both builds are some terminology I have heartstroke trying to understand what it means lol

[vagrant topaz]

Summon Raging Spirit Guardian

[turbid trail]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoYbscQAhFU

It just got better in 3.23

[vagrant topaz]

Both have Maxroll guide

[copper pawn]

ah, pet build, I like

oh yeah, how can I forget about our friend maxroll

[stable shore]

okay i was able to buy the 21 20 gems i needed

i'll try perforate gaming

[turbid trail]

Perforate is fun

[stable shore]

it's not gonna be as strong as in next patch

but i should have 1B dps still

or so

can't wait for the 1.7B of next patch though

[turbid trail]

Played it back in 3.12

As armour stacker

[stable shore]

well so far it looks absurdly strong

it's probably the most underrated melee skill

it's not even bad mechanicaly

[turbid trail]

yea, good clear and single target baked into 1 gem

[stable shore]

yup

also it's super strong with impale

1 hit = max impale stacks

wich makes bossing excellent

i do think this patch's buff was needed to make it feel good though

it has noticeably less damage than some other melee skill i can use atm

mostly the +2 spike if switched stance recently i don't use because too annoying

it's gone next patch so it's okay

ff14 bros, why does some rare miqo'te don't have the accent thing with longer "r" ?

somehow graha tia now has this accent, but didn't have it when fused with the tower, and y shtola and my character don't have it at all

[faint mauve]

???

never noticed

not in english

[stable shore]

y shtola has the accent in enlglish ?

[faint mauve]

never noticed personally

imagine yshtola purring

[stable shore]

I need a lore explanation as to why y shtola is the only miqote in existence who don't have the accent

For graha tia i bet it's just so people initally can't get clued in who is actually is

Since now he has it

[faint mauve]

so you gonna no life poe ? how to ffxiv then

[stable shore]

Nah i'm not touching poe

I just make sure my character stays perfect across patches

This time perforate became my new best skill available, and i finished the update today

[daring shore]

Raging Spirit guardian

Boneshatter slayer

EA ignite elementalist

DD

pick your poison

SSF is not a different game

things that work over at trade

work on SSF

but since you have to get everything yourself without buying it just takes longer

[copper pawn]

I assume raging spirit is pet build right?

[vagrant topaz]

Yes its the SRS Guardian I told you about earlier

[tawny sand]

keep in mind with poe ssf, the drop rates are kind of low. they don't tweak the drop rates for ssf league afaik.

so it does take a while

[junior oyster]

Yea I plan to go ssf for the first time ever. I know I'm gunna suck but I feel like ssf is probably the only way I'll get to learn PoE better.

[stable shore]

i am done min maxing in stdf

this are my final numbers

didn't cut any defences of course, it's still relatively tanky

managed to squeeze 100m more dps

[waxen sonnet]

Standard DPS 🙂

[near hedge]

this is an entirely different graha

[stable shore]

but isn't the other a miqote regardless ?

that makes it even weirder

i mean he is a mystel technicaly but mystel has the accent too

[near hedge]

depends on where theyre from

[stable shore]

there you go it's ethical now

level 1 cleave 0 link

[waxen sonnet]

That seems more correct. Good job

[stable shore]

what about my 90m 1 link totem dps with 0 investment in totem whatsoever ?

i can push it to 118m with level 21 multiple totem instead of 1

long story short, with this slayer :

https://tenor.com/view/jevil-i-can-do-anything-gif-5936695994549092184

[tawny sand]

game awards tonight https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zu2z5M4gmno

don't care about the awards themselves, but sometimes cool game announcements

[narrow token]

Same, the game reveals are all I want to see.

[junior oyster]

They start around 12:30AM here so I'm gunna skip

My guess is bg3 is goty, if not I think it'll be Zelda

Even though I don't like Zelda

[warped wren]

@lethal bane
https://pobb.in/49hgW3GFHY-C

legitimate melee

those stats are with mostly dogshit gear except a Perseverance and Yoke

ok maybe the boots and shield aren't dogshit but everything else is

boots and shield are solid

[faint mauve]

viable

[waxen sonnet]

I'm not the only one who likes wild strike 🙂

[warped wren]

if I hadn't played Rakiata Champ just last league I might have tried this

I do think Wild Strike is cool

[stable shore]

@lethal bane https://pobb.in/XndyhVuTPbpU

[lethal bane]

TIME TO SMITW

[stable shore]

so, i think that would work well ?

everything should be extremely cheap to get

for redblade banner, i recommand checking a guide on how to loot it

you can target farm it without much issue

so the gameplay is : intimidating cry + battlemage cry > slam for big damage

[lethal bane]

I'll look up how to do loot filters on the Steam Deck

It should help smooth out the experience

[stable shore]

if anyone can give a second opinion on this starter so i know i'm not dooming you with a trash build accidentaly

hang on i fucked up something lmao

[lethal bane]

Its OK Leo

I wouldn't hold it against you lmfao

[stable shore]

https://pobb.in/jv1GfPJqSijf

no it's actually important

the previous pob had bad leech, i forgot it's not free when you don't have much dps

so now it has good recovery, about 2k hp per second and 15% of life recovered on warcry

i also forgot to tick intimidated, it's some more damage

[warped wren]

Attack Rate: 0.83

[eternal sky]

7% Move speed

[warped wren]

good luck Boru.

[eternal sky]

[warped wren]

I have a friend who leaguestarts Earthshatter Berserker every. single. league.

he's overjoyed with the buffs

[eternal sky]

all the buffs

this league

warcries getting 20% cdr

globally

from qual

like getting ashes on earthshatter is giga

you get a shitload of fissures and spikes now

ontop of cdr

[warped wren]

yeah, the overlap is pretty good. Did you see that busted ass Rage Vortex Tgem?

[eternal sky]

yea

[warped wren]

that's gonna be one hell of a 2nd / 3rd build possibly

[eternal sky]

run ashes get 100% warcry from quality alone

just run around spam that

honestly its just another way to play rage vortex

[stable shore]

it's litteraly a slam build

the movement speed is an issue though i agree

[eternal sky]

[warped wren]

Sir, I have played slam builds. Sub 1.2-1.5 attack rate feels dogshit

1.2 it STARTS feeling playable

[eternal sky]

the rares i have in this pob are kinda dog

but sorta okay

too ethical

[warped wren]

also my Dom Blow Guardian had better defenses than this inquis and it regularly fell over in red maps to some rare mobs

[warped wren]

that actually is ethical, except the quality

[warped wren]

okay that's not ethical

[eternal sky]

[warped wren]

100% not ethical

I actually got flamed for posting that Inquis POB in another Discord Jesus

[eternal sky]

ethical now

[warped wren]

no

[stable shore]

fixed

[warped wren]

remove the PDR and the chaos res and then we get in ethical realms lmao

[eternal sky]

chaos res is easy

there is no life

chaos res is literally a essence

[stable shore]

i don't know how to fix the movement speed though

[eternal sky]

t3 arm both rolls

[warped wren]

how many essences till you get PDR + flat + % armour

[eternal sky]

no crafts on item either

[warped wren]

implicits is luck ig

[warped wren]

oh I dunno, maybe get a silver flask rather than amethyst, more consistent uptime on quicksilver, and, like, an actual movement skill?

[stable shore]

oh, i didn't put any because i assumed it was obvious to pick leap slam

i just only put the actually needed skill

[warped wren]

Leap Slam with that attack rate?

[stable shore]

nevermind

then dash

[eternal sky]

also that vd

that consumes 10 corspes

is fucked

login play vd

[warped wren]

honestly have very little interest in VD / DD stuff

but VERY keen on the ranged AW and the own-weapon AW

[eternal sky]

ranged is going to be fucked

[warped wren]

6x giga foils with 38% more damage and 38% more attack speed

[eternal sky]

because u either use pierce

[warped wren]

[eternal sky]

or lioneyes chest

luckily lioneyes chest is really good

stat wise

[stable shore]

yeah no that build is a bad idea

@lethal bane you will be way too slow

don't play the build

[eternal sky]

if im being real

if ur doing warcries

[warped wren]

ayyy, common sense prevails

[stable shore]

i think the rest is fine for how much it cost, but a snail will kill uber boss before you

[eternal sky]

ur doing eternal apple earthshatter

with auto warcry trigger

shake extra loot from corpses

easy game

[stable shore]

well the cannot block part kinda break the only defence it has

[eternal sky]

wdym

that

literally

does

not

matter

in

the

slightest

[stable shore]

i thought you meant for strength stacker specificaly

nevermind

[lethal bane]

@stable shore too late, my league is DOOMED

[stable shore]

no, i really see no way to fix the clearspeed

[eternal sky]

https://poe.ninja/builds/ancestor?uniqueitems=The+Eternal+Apple,Brutus'+Lead+Sprinkler

[stable shore]

unless i give up slam

[warped wren]

very obtainium leaguestarter

[eternal sky]

yea you just go brutus

and default str items

core build wise stays the same

[stable shore]

i was wondering why it was tanky, it's a jugg

[warped wren]

yes because that's one of the few ways to do melee and and not unalive yourself every few mins

[stable shore]

i'm just trying to escape the jugg meta

also this is not a starter

[eternal sky]

https://poe.ninja/builds/ancestor/character/MisterToodles/CryingConger?time-machine=day-2&i=0&search=time-machine%3Dday-3%26item%3DThe-Eternal-Apple%2CBrutus-Lead-Sprinkler%26sort%3Ddps

[stable shore]

war bringer forbidden flames and flesh will be costy for boru

[warped wren]

that gear on day 2 is kinda crazy

[stable shore]

that makes you lose berserk

so boru should not play that either

it falls off hard without it

[warped wren]

fucking str implicit belt and triple notable cluster day 2

[eternal sky]

berserk is perma

[warped wren]

[eternal sky]

anyways

[stable shore]

well it's not without war bringer no ?

[eternal sky]

if ur playing slam jugg

and u dont have warbringer

ur fucked

just play boneshatter

[stable shore]

yeah but we're talking about a league start

[eternal sky]

like boneshatter will just be better

[stable shore]

i know they aren't the costiest jewels but boru won't have that

[eternal sky]

till u get ur flame flesh

boru needs to play boneshatter

[stable shore]

https://tenor.com/view/disintegrate-gif-22469816

i hate this game

[eternal sky]

thats literally it

[stable shore]

fuck this game for real

[eternal sky]

boneshatter into actual build is juggs life

just dont play jugg

play champ

have 20 dif builds

pf also op

[stable shore]

i know a lot of actual good starter

but boru wanted something special

[warped wren]

there are actually quite a few viable melee champ builds this league

it's good

[stable shore]

i recommanded him molten strike poison PF

but that's too meta for him

[eternal sky]

earthshatter zerker

uber helm was

5c

day 1

[stable shore]

like i know the build i made is mid, but i tried to make a beginner friendly one he likes

[stable shore]

but where defences, that's my main issue with that

perma berserk is doable with redblade but idk if that's enough has zerker

[lethal bane]

I jusr don't eanna play PF lol

[stable shore]

how you feel about champion ?

[lethal bane]

It is canon he has a nice ass, right?

[stable shore]

he is rather hot yes

[warped wren]

be Champion, slap on a Perseverance, put Grace/Determ and call it a day

[stable shore]

the best of the best ass

[lethal bane]

Basically me but in a game

[eternal sky]

imean

champs just better

then every asced

just what it is

[stable shore]

what about a lancing steel champ

[eternal sky]

nah

u want to do splitting

[stable shore]

splitting steel dead without nimis right ?

[warped wren]

Splitting is where it's at

[eternal sky]

no

lmfao

[warped wren]

no

[stable shore]

still good ?

[warped wren]

Splitting got giga buffed

[stable shore]

good to know

oh, i missed that

it's kinda melee no ? i mean close range

[eternal sky]

nimis clear sucks

anyways

[stable shore]

or it plays differently now

[eternal sky]

soo/shrug

[warped wren]

nimis clear sucks with splitting steel ftfy

[warped wren]

not exactly

[stable shore]

How about shattering steel then ?

It's melee range

[warped wren]

there is an explosion when the original projectile reaches a target / destination, then an explosion at each of the split projectile ends

[warped wren]

in the sense that a sawed-off shotgun is melee, yes

[eternal sky]

shatt steel is shit

[warped wren]

eh it's okay, not in the same league as Splitting for sure

[eternal sky]

compared to split

tbh

[warped wren]

hot take, I think Double Strike of Impaling looks good

clear is going to be dogwater though

[eternal sky]

its not tho

[stable shore]

Man i wish we were in 3.10 i would have made you play double strike for 10m dps for 5ex budget

[eternal sky]

u just go impale mast

and use lancing steel

for call of steel

also u just go warlock ascend

[glad crystal]

DS of impaling I think will have decent clear

[stable shore]

Awakened ancestral call will be required

[eternal sky]

go low life petri blood

[glad crystal]

it reflects the impales on death for a psudeo explode

not any different from using call for clear

[stable shore]

I think that impale thing will be too small clear regardless

[warped wren]

ayy Than didn't know you were here

[glad crystal]

ayy

[eternal sky]

and use the thing that spawns the wraiths

in warlock

to reflect the impales when ur doing bosses

[glad crystal]

nah

that sounds bad

just use assassins mark

[warped wren]

problem is you're still targeting, what, 5 enemies? 7 tops? in a map

that's really shit

[eternal sky]

thing is

splash

also applies

to those

wraiths

[stable shore]

Awakened ancestral call + splash ?

[eternal sky]

soo u can splash

on bosses

exactly

[stable shore]

Awakened ancestral call got giga buffed to

[glad crystal]

use ancestral cry if anything

dont waste a gem slot on call

even woke

[stable shore]

With 10% more dmg it's not so much a dead gem

[stable shore]

No multistrike with impale sucks

[eternal sky]

also yea

u would use ancest cry

anyways

its free armor

[stable shore]

AC target from 15% further away

[eternal sky]

its more mapclear if anything

[stable shore]

That's big

[eternal sky]

you got what

8 targs from cry

w/e from woke ancest

[stable shore]

That's screenwide

[warped wren]

?

[eternal sky]

just baps the entire pack

[stable shore]

Yeah you need good AS for it to feel nice

[glad crystal]

multistrike can't be exerted

[warped wren]

that's... what Multistrike provides?

[stable shore]

Yes ?

[warped wren]

yeah I know that

[stable shore]

Like i said, not having multistrike wit impale sucks, unsure what you mean

[warped wren]

but you still use it, like in Boneshatter too

ohhh okay I got confused

[stable shore]

Multi as boneshatter ?

Or did i missunderstood

[warped wren]

some variants do use it yeah

[stable shore]

Hum, i guess that could make sense with impake

Not a fan of that personally

[eternal sky]

27 chars

use multi

on shatter

[stable shore]

Seems shit ngl

But then again i'm a proud BS hater so what do i know

[warped wren]

Not in endgame

[stable shore]

With the alt quakity removal maybe AS will feel too ass now

[warped wren]

Levelling and mid game and stuff

[eternal sky]

bro

[stable shore]

question though for a potential DS of impale league start

how do you actually leaguestart until you get the gem

double strike at base isn't really the strongest melee skill to say the least

i guess a steel skill ?

[warped wren]

The answers will shock you

[eternal sky]

[stable shore]

not boneshatter

don't fucking say it

i will shoot myself

[warped wren]

I guess Helix / ST / Splitting then

Respec later

[stable shore]

helix is borderline cringe but ok tier compared to BS

[warped wren]

Splitting probably best

[eternal sky]

spectral throw till 38

then do splitting

with return proj

also level splitting in ur oh

[stable shore]

i actually hate helix because it's such a clunky dogshit skill that people tolerated only because of its daamge

every time i see a gg helix build on a video or something i just think it looks awfull to play

[warped wren]

Helix isn't even that worth anymore since the nerf

[stable shore]

yeah, people only played it because of damage

no one sane enjoy it

could never match spectral throw power anyway

anything juicy to do with spectral throw as a starter ? or it's only doable with gg stacker gear ?

cause that thing absolutely murders boss at high end

[narrow token]

Christopher Judge is a national treasure.

We must keep him.

[eternal sky]

who?

[narrow token]

https://tenor.com/view/god-of-war-ragnarok-kratos-approve-atreus-nod-gif-27083631

[eternal sky]

u mean stargate guy

[narrow token]

I'm not that old.

[eternal sky]

im 22 i watched it growing up

[stable shore]

perforate is so freaking fun

mechanicaly it's a top tier melee skill

[eternal sky]

yea its op now

baseline spikes op

[stable shore]

i always knew it was very strong, so i instantly respecced when i saw the buff

[eternal sky]

i mean its always been strong

[stable shore]

i know

it's a top tier melee skill

people ignore it for some reaason

also the sound it does