📚┃off-topic

[eternal sky]

PoE 2 is just a new base for them to make PoE 1 all over again

[warped wren]

True, but it's gonna be slower for sure

[eternal sky]

give it like 1 year

[warped wren]

Which is fine tbh

[eternal sky]

and like

PoE 2 will be a entirely dif game

[faint mauve]

POE today, you can get to red maps in like what, 20 hours ?

[warped wren]

I just don't want it to be Soulslike, I hate that shit

[eternal sky]

nah hell

[waxen sonnet]

Less probably

[eternal sky]

you can get 2 stones in like 6 hrs

unironically

[faint mauve]

no im not comparing that

for a VERY average player

[warped wren]

Racers can do that, I can't

[faint mauve]

just average player (they wont reach 20 hours)

[warped wren]

But yeah 20-30 hrs for reds even I can achieve

[faint mauve]

can you see how easy it has got ?

[waxen sonnet]

I'm so ready for a full reset

[faint mauve]

the content is just there for you to destroy

[eternal sky]

idk

casual player wise

[waxen sonnet]

And mindset change

[eternal sky]

they might be like

days behind

like casual player in PoE

[warped wren]

The whole definition of "casual" in PoE has been looser than a medieval camp whore

[eternal sky]

is literally dogshit

sitting in white maps

[warped wren]

[eternal sky]

and yellows

people who know what they are doing are the people getting to reds

its just the faster and more knowledgeable of those people

[warped wren]

How do you even define casual in a game where even players with hundreds or lower thousands of hours are not necessarily "good"

[eternal sky]

^

honestly its hard

but say if you get stones within the first like

day

ur a gamer

like being real

24 hours for both stones

ur doing good

[waxen sonnet]

Ngl, if that's what makes you a "gamer" I think I'm good

[eternal sky]

the top players in the game do ubers in hc in like 30 hours

[waxen sonnet]

Yup. I'm good

[eternal sky]

soo like if u can get 2 stones day 1 and farm atleast another 8 hours

[warped wren]

I'm happy if I hit maps on Friday and get stones by late Saturday or early Sunday

[eternal sky]

you will set yourself very far

ahead in cur for days 1-3

in trade enviro

in ssf is w/e amount of time you wish to invest

everything sells for hotcakes and you can invest heavily early in trade

[faint mauve]

at least those players deserve it , unless theres someone who doesnt

[eternal sky]

yea i normally do a degen sched

of just like 30 hours

[warped wren]

The only players who don't deserve anything are RMTers

[eternal sky]

sleep 4 hours

do like another 20 afterwards

[warped wren]

But they exist so w/e

[eternal sky]

but like i work this time this weekend

off on leaguestart day tho

[faint mauve]

in sc i dont even do 5 ways i refuse to do it and get to lvl 100

[eternal sky]

soo ill just zombie work on like 3 hours of sleep

only 5 ways i do is with guildys i reroll to much to get a lvl 100

[faint mauve]

ruthless isnt perfect but it fixes some core issues with the base game

[eternal sky]

highest i got was 96 almost 97

[warped wren]

I've pushed 97 solo a few times, including this league

[eternal sky]

getting 100 is just the

[warped wren]

Then it was just 3 levels so went and sat in a few 5ways

[eternal sky]

every map is a small % grind

[warped wren]

Good for the points

[eternal sky]

spam run ______ amount of maps with safe mods

[faint mauve]

im lvl 93 in ruthless this league so thats way past lvl 100

[warped wren]

Helped iron out the few remaining rough edges

[eternal sky]

like just go abyss legion

[faint mauve]

92 in exp numbers is the same as lvl 100, but you dont account for map progression

you will be doing much much more maps to get to red

[eternal sky]

delirium proc

baseline doing that will yield alot of xp

its honestly hard to die if you dont overjuice ur shit

you could just run high packsize maps with 0 mods

[faint mauve]

if you still cant do 100 without 5 ways i dunno man if its that hard to die

[eternal sky]

and still lvl fast

i did like 10 5 ways and that was with like 2 people

like i said guildy runs

[faint mauve]

dying in ruthless sc is painful, because ontop of the 10% exp loss at the early 90s you may also have wasted all your red maps sustaining the exp

[eternal sky]

yea idk ruthless mapping system is fucked

[faint mauve]

its not fucked , its similar to how POE started

you needed a strategy to sustain

[eternal sky]

rng

[faint mauve]

red maps arent even an exciting drop anymore in non ruth you dont even pick them up at some point

[eternal sky]

im a map hoarder i like clickin maps

but yea if ur just doing crimson prison

i honestly hate high priced cards

[faint mauve]

again thats an issue of mine in base game

[eternal sky]

just run cemetery all league

just run crimson prison all league

[faint mauve]

i'd want to run dungeon or palace just because its the only map i have

not because running cemetery for brothers gift or whatever

you can just do one single map that is zoom zoom and safe

and thats pretty much all your gonna be doing

crimson temple i guess is for the card for mage blood

apocathery

[eternal sky]

also another thing about ruthless

ur honestly missing out on alot of builds

like i play soo many builds a league

i stare at pobs alot

[faint mauve]

you should at least understand the same build cannot just be applied to ruthless

[eternal sky]

sadly boneshatter is basicly the same build in ruthless as the base game

like its actually just the same

just you can /killbosses/ in a reasonable amount oftime

[faint mauve]

how isit the same?

you do not have bench craft

[eternal sky]

ofcourse not but its the same build

[faint mauve]

the problems to solve are very different

[eternal sky]

boneshatter jugg is actually just

armor life resists

[faint mauve]

and ?

[faint mauve]

your missing something important

[eternal sky]

its not like ur missing much

[faint mauve]

who doesnt want life and resists

[eternal sky]

exactly jugg just wants that

life resists

put on arm base

its hard to get actual defensives in ur gamemode i understand bench craft not there

but like

its not like boneshatter jugg even needs gear

the build functions with a bonky stick and tashcan armor

u sit beside something and bash its brain in for however long it takes

[faint mauve]

sure if you want to keep dying and not actually progress

im at work here and we just discussing poe

lolz

[eternal sky]

also yea further down the lines you can get spell supp and have arm ev gear

but like by default you can just be arm resist life braindent smack shit till you atleast get drops

boneshatter excels at low tier farming

[faint mauve]

low tier farming ?

[eternal sky]

whites and yellow maps

red maps really jack the stats up hard

[faint mauve]

you serious man ?

[eternal sky]

on mobs

wdym?

you need to farm maps forever in ruthless

[faint mauve]

i still sustain red maps and push delve

im not doing whites and yellows at the 90s

[eternal sky]

yea ur not in armor resist gear in the 90s

[faint mauve]

if im not able to push through and just plain suck i know when to retire

or back to the drawing board

haha

and to be fair, this league is my first ruthless league

i intend to do better than before

[eternal sky]

[stable shore]

i'm really enjoying myself with reaper in ff14

it's such a fun class

it's also rather beginner friendly, so it helps being able to keep up the best rota while focusing on mechanics

[faint mauve]

yeh rotations are pretty straightforward, even more so if you optimize

its just maintaining it while not scuffing the mechanics is what makes it hard haha

[stable shore]

Yeah but reaper has no tight timing in the rotation so it's much less stressfull than samurai

Where you have a konami code of off CD and combos to pull out every 2 minutes

[faint mauve]

you just add another button to your list which is a tincture of (insert your stat here) if you are doing end game raids

[stable shore]

Yeah, i haven't bothered with that yet, but i will get some potion ready for raids

Though i see no established burst for reaper

[faint mauve]

your gonna go broke, real broke if you dont have a crafter

haha

[stable shore]

There are burst phase but they never sync together

[stable shore]

I will level up one of course

i'll have to ask reaper players when to time the potion

i'm guessing before glutony but idk

[faint mauve]

pretty sure the general rotation for all classes is on the raiding discord

[stable shore]

oh, i'll check that out

i have those skills left to unlock, they sound rather fun but i doubt they will actually change my rotation fundamentaly

[faint mauve]

ninja and dancer are more fun

[stable shore]

i'll just slap them instead of basic CD

[faint mauve]

since its not just the same buttons at the same places

[stable shore]

ninja was fun yeah

but i didn't really dig the whole ninja identity

gameplay wise it was nice but i just didn't really like the vibes

as for dancer people seems mitigated, i sometime hear it's horrendous to play and now you tell me it's fun

[faint mauve]

i mained dancer for savage raids a year ago

[stable shore]

i'll trust your opinion then

[faint mauve]

yeh just try it

[stable shore]

maybe at some point

it doesn't sounds like it would be my thing

[faint mauve]

you choose a dance partner to boost their damage also

so typically melee dps becomes the partner

[stable shore]

samurai or reaper typically

those with 0 group support aside of giga single target

[faint mauve]

the most op class for deep dungeons solo is machinist and then warrior

machinist has the highest dps burst of all classes

[stable shore]

oh, by the way

[faint mauve]

warrior cause well life regen

[stable shore]

are all tank job made for tanking ?

or some can be played as dps

[faint mauve]

well each role has a job to play

incl ranged dps and melee dps

[stable shore]

oh, so like there are tank available for off tank mechanics and can do solid damage if not needed ?

[faint mauve]

its not about dps literally haha

ya

off tank has their own role to play

[stable shore]

i see, it's an interesting concept

[faint mauve]

most chad class is of course the tank

cause if tanks die everyone die

[stable shore]

apparently warrior doesn't die ever

[faint mauve]

thats why i got 3 tanks at 90 and warrior at 81

dont really have any interest in warrior haha

plus axe zz

[stable shore]

aren't there some 0 healer warrior tank meta comp ?

i saw that on reddit

[faint mauve]

yah i think thats just a meme on warriors in general

a warrior can solo dungeon bosses themselves if they know what they are doing

thats why its overrepresented in say deep dungeon solo rankings

[stable shore]

make sense

[faint mauve]

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/ranking/deepdungeon/?solo_party=solo

[stable shore]

something weird happen, how come i took a tankbuster instead of the tank when he had the agro ?

he died for a few seconds but i think he got ressurected way before the tankbuster happens

[faint mauve]

tankbuster is always on tank

unless the tank is dead at the time the tankbuster starts

if tank A dies, then tankbuster would be on tank B

[stable shore]

i guess it just started right before he took back the aggro

[faint mauve]

if neither are around to take the hit then yah the rest of the team

or they are not in position

[stable shore]

it was such a shit group

i was in the level 60 dungeon with lahabrea boss who fuse with his friend in dungeon roulette

i pretty much hard carried them

[faint mauve]

happens , try not to take it personally on roulette its just casual

ive seen shit go toxic many times over like casual content haha

[stable shore]

oh yeah, generally i just explain the mechanics people die on

doing a mistake is fine

but doing the same mistake twice gets annoying

[faint mauve]

nobody cares if your not spot on maintaining your rotation , as long as everyone wins with no wipes theres no time wasted

[stable shore]

oh, no idea how they were doing with their rota

the dps just failed twice to get away from his partner to break the chains twice in a row

and killed the tank and the healer

this mechanic is kinda hard to fail twice

[faint mauve]

i dunno which dungeons are actually tough , not many

doing leveling roulette is kinda boring if you consistently do it for years daily

because most of the time its going to be 1 - 60 dungeons

[near hedge]

"one" lol

[faint mauve]

or i gues 70 dungeons now since the free trial includes stormblood

[stable shore]

So far only the first boss of amaurote was relatively difficult

[near hedge]

god i cant stand dancer. its so fucking garbage to play

[stable shore]

Rest was piss easy for the most part

[faint mauve]

i was so good at dancer i dont need to look at the buttons

i just look at the colours that pop up and i know what to hit

and that feels good haha

[stable shore]

I just need to make potion and food no ?

[near hedge]

i joke because you cant really just level one. its kind of an all or nothing kind of deal

[stable shore]

How so

[faint mauve]

you need gatherer

you need abit of every other class

[near hedge]

they all work together

[faint mauve]

because potions etc might have a component that can only be crafted by other crafters

[stable shore]

So i must get all of them 90 ?

[near hedge]

think of it more as crafting is one giant job, rather than each individual crafter

[faint mauve]

you can either gather yourself and craft all ingredients yourself (free), or you take shortcuts by gathering what is easiest, and the buying the harder ingredients from mb

you still save alot of gil (still spend some)

either ways you want something sustainable

[stable shore]

Nah gil isn't what bother me, but micro managing mat is annoying

[faint mauve]

otherwise your savage raid ventures are just gonna make you broke

[stable shore]

I don't want to rely on market or people

[faint mauve]

and you dont really have much to show in the end because the gear itself is obsolete eventually

[stable shore]

I'll level up all jobs then

[near hedge]

youre kind of forced to unless you have bis gatherer and crafter gear

[stable shore]

Well i'll start by getting them all 90

I'll figure the rest after

[near hedge]

yeee its a big rabbit hole. so dont really worry about all that shit until youre ready for the deep dive

cuss thats a whole endgame just on its own

[stable shore]

but ultimately it's worth it ?

just an annoying thing to go through to save a ton of time and money

[faint mauve]

you can speed level crafters but you need millions of gil to invest

[stable shore]

i'll check what's the best cost/efficiency method when i'm there

[faint mauve]

yeh if you ever want to start just ask i guess

also best to do things the slow way, you might enjoy it

[stable shore]

when i'm done with endwalker msq probavly

[faint mauve]

sometimes its nice to do different things

[stable shore]

i'm at half of shb post msq rn

[faint mauve]

plus the gil you can earn

[stable shore]

edilibus doing stuff right now

i hate that character honestly, he is rather lame

he feels like a sore looser more than anything

[faint mauve]

lol

[stable shore]

also why can't i just kill his ass ?

he got obliterated by zenos that i killed, and i killed emet selch

i know the scions wanted to talk to him first, but he just said "lol no, get lost" so at this point i can't see why we try to find a strategy or understand his plan when we can just jump his ass

[faint mauve]

tbh i dont remember the fates of all these people

my house is full of waifu portraits haha

[near hedge]

its worth it once you get bis

[near hedge]

hes soooo fucking lame. the build up is lame. its boring while hes there. and the conclusion is lackluster

[stable shore]

Oh so he doesn't get better

What a shame

It's hard to compete against zenos and emet selch in villain quality, but he is insanely bad

[near hedge]

honestly the whole questline felt like a fart in the wind. you learn a lot of cool things about ascians and the back story, but beyond that its just kinda meh

[near hedge]

the next villian after him is amusing enough at least

[stable shore]

well i was about to say i'm bored because of edilibus

but my boy is back

i thought he was a one time only npc

[near hedge]

who the hell is that

[stable shore]

to access shb final msq quest you must hunt one of the warrior of darkness turned into a white monster

and you have access to i think 4 differents quests depending on your role

[near hedge]

oohhhh its the role quest

[stable shore]

he is the npc i teamed up with to hunt one

and he is so lovely

[near hedge]

i only did the magic one

[stable shore]

i'm really happy to see him back in the lore

[near hedge]

oohh youre right at the part where you go to the inn after seeing the shit in the sky

for me it was a little kid who came to console me

[stable shore]

i wish he could join the scion or something lmao

genuinely the only background npc i care about

[near hedge]

i think thats the last time we see them

[stable shore]

i'm guessing that too

i'm already surprised he came back

it's not happening again

well looking at the shb post msq quest list, i should kill the cringelord edilibus soon enough

good riddance

[near hedge]

lol yeah youre basically done

[junior oyster]

GTA 6 is gunna be trash

[near hedge]

whys that

[junior oyster]

Idk I just wanted to start a riot or something

[narrow token]

GTA is boring. Fight!

[faint mauve]

there never was a bad GTA game

[simple needle]

Gta6 is gonna be the ultimate RP game

There's a bodytype for everyone

[faint mauve]

i was playing GTA when GTA 1 and 2 was only a 2d top down game

its not just some random modern franchise that started in recent years

that said it'll probs have ultimate editions mtx etc this time around haha

[tawny sand]

"coming in 2025"

i sleep

[copper pawn]

The wait for TQ2 seems more realistic

[tawny sand]

i'm pretty sure tq2 was confirmed for next year tho

i don't think we'll see gameplay till next year either however

maybe a summer release, dunno

i should play tq1 again, but that first act is unbearably slow now

[copper pawn]

I rather GD than TQ1 now, new patch allowing leveling up from highest difficulty and still getting quest rewards from lower difficulties is so massive qol

[hot crown]

My health is a mess. First I was prescribed antibiotics and some other lesser stuff to deal with the month-long cough, then after five days of taking said antibiotics I'm unable to sleep literally gasping for air overnight and for the half of the day, complete with a 38.6C fever out of the blue.

Naturally, the cough is NOT going anywhere for now...

At this point i just want to give up.

[copper pawn]

hang in there bro, is it covid or other symptoms?
heard the weird respiratory from china already spread to europe

[hot crown]

Dunno, honest. My lung scan came back clean.

No weird noises either.

Just a random ass cough that blatantly refuses to go away no matter what.

[placid yarrow]

I had that too after Covid shadow, it lasted for legit almost two months or something

Happened to me both times I got Covid

It's pretty dry and fairly constant right?

At least mine was

Would cough all day every day, was a pain in the ass to go to lectures (after I tested negative and quarantined of course)

[hot crown]

Yeah, dry and empty.

Same deal.

[near hedge]

the remasters would like to have a word with you

[junior oyster]

Out of all the GTA games that I liked the least was gta 4

[lethal bane]

GTA is bad because I can't LARP as a medieval knight on a chivalric quest

[stable shore]

What the fuck, am i overracting or this is absurdly op ?

[hot crown]

Speaking of, how does PoE handle shotgunning from stuff like this?

[stable shore]

Hum it's complex for molten strike

But you can get all of them to overlap on 1 target with proper set up

There is no general rule but many stuff like that overlaps like creeping frost, shattering steel, splitting steel etc

And some don't like lightning strike

[warped wren]

Not quite

[stable shore]

depends on the hitbox

[warped wren]

It's a complex calculation between AoE and chaining range

[stable shore]

normal hitbox will be 80% of proj hits

bigger hitbox will be 100%

[warped wren]

That's not true Leo

[stable shore]

and why not ?

[warped wren]

There's a Molten Strike calc available

[stable shore]

yeah i'm aware

[warped wren]

That factors in all 3 radii

[stable shore]

it's where i get those numbers from

i know that, you don't need to explain

[warped wren]

Even on boss targets you don't get 100% overlap most of the time

[stable shore]

as i said it depends on hitbox

most of the time you will be closer to 80% of proj hitting

on large hitbox 100% is doablke

[warped wren]

Iirc the best I got after minmaxing was like 67-70% overlap

[stable shore]

assuming slower projectile support, slower proj mastery and adjacent animosity

nah it's more like 80%

[warped wren]

If I had swapped to Slower Proj that would have been 75+

But fuck that gem

[stable shore]

issue is aoe increase proj aoe, but also increase how far they land for boss

so the only way you can scale overlap is projectile speed

because aoe is both good and bad

[warped wren]

Slower Proj makes Molten Strike feel like utter shit

[stable shore]

there is a specific breakpoint of aoe that is ideal of course

but you gain a few% max

cool thing is all of that doesn't matter now that nimis exist

you don't have to use slower projectile, because it's better to just go with a more damage support since it slower proj doesn't affect the return phase wich is half of your damage

adjacent animosity and less proj speed mastery is enough

i studied MS when i played ruthless with hit

i had 80% overlap on normal hitbox

@warped wren

see as i said it's 80% chance to hit on a basic blood and sand, slower proj, adjacent animosity and slower proj mastery on regular targets

90% on the next hitbox treshold

and 100% on the one above

so realisticaly you will rarely have 100% overlap but it can happen

with nimis though you have 100% overlap on projectile return no matter your proj speed or boss hitbox

[warped wren]

how'd you get ball radius to 8 and tert radius to 12

tert because of slower proj?

[stable shore]

slower projectile support + mastery, adjacent animosity and blood and sand level 7 were the only element i had on pob

i picked the numbers directly from here

i agree slower projectile is ass for clear, but generally you want ancestral call for giga clear anyway, so you'd just swap it for mapping

ancestral call being needed for giga clear is melee life sadly

the god gamer is planning to roll infernal blow this league. 2/4 voidstone again

[faint mauve]

ben?

[stable shore]

quin

[faint mauve]

he plays HC anyway right

[stable shore]

hc ssf and that's the issue

[faint mauve]

otherwise 4 voidstones is really doable

[stable shore]

4 voidstone is easy as hell

[faint mauve]

yeah on sc that is

[stable shore]

but he decided to play infernal blow jugg this league, so he stopped at 2 stones after weeks of farming

[stable shore]

on hc it is as well

if you play something meta it's ridiculously easy

[faint mauve]

yeah thats always the thing

[stable shore]

2 voidstone are tutorial versione exarch and eater of world

it's really really easy to do in hc

uber elder and maven if you aren't great at the game is still easily doable if you build meta

like poison pathfinder, boneshatter jugg, broken boring stuff like that

[faint mauve]

if you mess up the degen pools for maven / shaper on an average build you need to know how to place them

[stable shore]

it's very hard to mess up though

like you really gotta fuck up

[faint mauve]

i dont think a player will know how to place them if they arent prepared for it

[stable shore]

they disapear the first two times, you only have to succed placing the ones of the third phase

[stable shore]

i'm not assuming you play HC as a first time in poe

of course 4 voidstone will be difficult then lmao

[faint mauve]

i did for the first 500 hours

[stable shore]

well you have two chances to fuck up and understand it

unless you start with uber maven directly but i mean

[faint mauve]

i clearly remember the first time i got to maps i died

at the end of a 2 week holiday

[stable shore]

were you playing jugg or pathfinder though

poe HC isn't what it used to be

it's so easy to trivialize

[faint mauve]

i think it was triple herald blade vortex

[stable shore]

oh, that's a baseg build

definitely not ideal for HC though

[faint mauve]

poe isnt what it used to be anymore

i still either play ruth or hc now

hc just puts the brakes on things , to slow down and play more carefully

[stable shore]

i really wanna come back to ruthless, but i don't wanna be forced into playing the one current most OP build to have a chance at ubers

like typically no matter how skilled and how much you farm, unless you abuse a niche OP build you aren't touching ubers in ruthless

[faint mauve]

hrishi hinting to us at the ruthless discord the challenges for ruthless might not include ubers

[stable shore]

well that would be nice

[faint mauve]

because of exactly that

[stable shore]

yeah it's bullshit

you can count uber viable build in ruthless on the finger of one hand

[faint mauve]

he said ubers was intended as purely aspirational

and tbh if you can do ubers in ruthless you'd still want to do it

because you can really dominate teh market if you drop the good stuff

[stable shore]

yeah but that requires being forced into a boring build

[faint mauve]

hrishi communicates with us quite often on the ruthless discord

btw he plays only HC

so hes not an SC zoomer himself

haha

[stable shore]

oh yeah well if he goes HC, then there is really 1 build he can play

one thing is for sure, atm attack skills aren't beating ubers in ruthless

let alone melee skills

[faint mauve]

pretty sure if a good player like carn or ben does it they can probably pull it off

[stable shore]

if you play uber meta maybe

[faint mauve]

or jungroan

[stable shore]

issue i encountered is attempts are so limited

[faint mauve]

yeh

[stable shore]

melee uber in ruthless probably requires near perfect 0 mistake gameplay

you just don't have enough keys to actually train

[faint mauve]

you can still buy the invitations especially when most ppl arent gonna run it

[stable shore]

you have 1 chance every 20h of farm

[stable shore]

i mean even then you see like one key of each everyday

for sale

plus it costs a fortune due to voidstone

boss in ruthless aren't even profitable if you don't do voidstone services

[faint mauve]

not really ... a voidstone carry is 30 - 40 alchs (i dont do it)

[stable shore]

it's a net negative

[stable shore]

you're not gonna do a voidstone carry on your uber attemps though lmao

i'm aware voidstone carry is profitable

[faint mauve]

noein who was 1st place on ladder he did 8/8 on guardian

but he said he suffered

[stable shore]

so he abused the most op ruthless build ?

[faint mauve]

no guardian is bad for ubers

its good for everything else

[stable shore]

isn't the statue extremely OP for ruthless ?

[faint mauve]

he wasnt good enough to carry anyone for ubers

yeah apparently guardian still tapered of

thats why as mentioned above less than 20 players did ubers

successful

playlife did not achieve 8/8

and he ran guardian

[stable shore]

i'm not saying there is no part of skill

there is a ton of skill involved of course

[faint mauve]

the first player who did ubers in ruth was deadeye ballista anyway

apparently he suffered too

[stable shore]

you sure ?

[faint mauve]

yeah korean player

[stable shore]

i'm pretty sure it was RF inquisitor

[faint mauve]

he said he worked really hard

in sc ruth trade

[stable shore]

i guess i just didn't hear about his clear then

the first i heard of was mageckcreep

[faint mauve]

yeh i was playing when it happened

[stable shore]

and ruthlessruthy

one thing is for sure is i ain't beating ubers in ruthless ever

[faint mauve]

then noein and a few korean players tried to do a thing to help others but i think it was really hard

[stable shore]

i don't think i lack skill, but i definitely don't have enough dedication to tolerates the suffering on the way

[faint mauve]

another good thing about ruthless is the small community, we all kinda know each other

haha

[stable shore]

especially since i typically despise the uber meta build of ruthless

most boring shit ever

[faint mauve]

yeah still we dont know how much player power will change this new league

[stable shore]

i just hope they will buff melee

[faint mauve]

im guessing we will be abit more stronger

[stable shore]

it's litteraly impossible to get a good weapon

[faint mauve]

thats why im probably going melee again this next league

i think ill get lucky this time, i got a good weapon

[stable shore]

to be fair this league might be the best to be melee in ruthless by far

[faint mauve]

i was the highest ranking boneshatter in ruthless sc this league

[stable shore]

what bothers me is you can't get a good weapon unless lucky

oh, boneshatter

[faint mauve]

but all my gambas failed, i failed two fractures

[stable shore]

yeah i don't wanna play that

it's probably the only viable melee skill in ruthless

or at least the only one that stands a chance for ubers

i beat every pinnacle boss as molten strike raider

[faint mauve]

nah no one did ubers on boneshatter

[stable shore]

i know

[faint mauve]

4 stones yes

[stable shore]

but it's imo the only skill that could do it

[faint mauve]

yeh

[stable shore]

molten strike was surprisingly strong

[faint mauve]

i like having "challenges" that are really hard to achieve anyway

[stable shore]

i ended up with a very very strong build

[stable shore]

me too but ubers in ruthless do it the wrong way

[faint mauve]

yeh anyway we'll see what the 8 challenges are, probably not gonna include ubers

[stable shore]

we always had a meta in PoE, but you never have to abuse it because even the shittiest skills clear all content with effort

but uber in ruthless forces you to not only play meta, but the absolute top of it

[faint mauve]

i play ruth about the same max time i put on non ruth

if i dont go too far then i can do faster next time

[stable shore]

you know the player elezra in ruthless ?

bro played a chad build the first league

spark aura stacker

[faint mauve]

they still playing ?

[stable shore]

i know it's meta, but in ruthless it's extremely impressive he pulled it off

[faint mauve]

theres alot of secret builds in ruthless

[stable shore]

secret ?

[faint mauve]

from private accounts in ladder

and they dont want to share

[stable shore]

weird

imagine being this competitive about ruthless

[faint mauve]

yeh it is also

[stable shore]

i'm a firm believer of sharing your knoweldge to other so you can learn from them in return

[faint mauve]

poeninja you'd have to opt in to even include your build

so poe ninja is really not necessarily showing all builds

[stable shore]

a community especially ruthless one should mutually try to get better by sharing info

[faint mauve]

ladder is very competitive anyway

sc ladder is a joke with 5 ways

[stable shore]

hum tbh i'm not a fan of ruthless ladder at all

it's the unhealthy kind of ladder

[stable shore]

it's just absurd grind, and the one who plays more by playing the most OP shit can actually do stuff

93 is big

i was 91 on my raider

[faint mauve]

id like to do 94 but i dont like this league as much

my ancestor rank is only 473

i dont like TOTA

so i rather save my energies for next league

[stable shore]

my raider could probably reach 93 max

i can't see myself going higher

btw i had a fucking unethical watcher eye

50% chaos res with purity of element and 60% attack dmg with precision

i used it at full potential with molten strike and eternal damnation haha

[faint mauve]

o

[stable shore]

i was one of the few people who could run eternal damnation because easy chaos res cap

[faint mauve]

at least elder is like super easy

[stable shore]

I actually died on him once

[faint mauve]

it made sense to me that we should be farming a bunch of elder for stuff to prepare for shaper

[stable shore]

I didn't know the madness propagator mechanic existed before that

[faint mauve]

i love ruth mapping anyway

i still had something like 1000 alchs

[stable shore]

I farmed a lot elder in hope of finding an attack crit chance + immolate + conc effect helmet

[faint mauve]

eventually once i got my sustain strat goin i was selling t14 - t16s at like 5 alchs a pop

even after week 6 i dont think 50% of ruth players can even reach red maps

[stable shore]

Yeah. The most efficient farming in ruthless is doing stuff people can't do

Selling red maps to people who wanna get there faster

Service for voidstone because it's ultra grindy to get there

[faint mauve]

you can dominate the market , but at the same time we are pretty nice to each other

[stable shore]

Timeless jewel farling group

[faint mauve]

trading in ruth ppl are super nice

[stable shore]

Bossing

Chayula for skin of the loyal/lords

Legacy of fury on maven

[faint mauve]

yeah

you need to hard invest into 1 or 2 league mechs

[stable shore]

Can you even do that ?

[faint mauve]

especially if you want to see skin of the lords

[stable shore]

I couldn't even sustain t14+ with every map sustain investment in the game

So i didn't have pts to spare for leagues

[faint mauve]

i know a few tricks (i also tested and rerolled 500 altas points)

[stable shore]

Actually it got buffed the second ruthless league

So i guess it's not like that anymore

[faint mauve]

yeah ancestor is my first ruth

[stable shore]

Okay

Then we didn't experience the same atlas

It used to be really bad

Sustain i mean

[faint mauve]

it was still bad for me, but i experimented alot

i did the opposite of the advice i was given, just for science

[stable shore]

I did too, it wasn't possible for me to get any more sustain

[faint mauve]

funny when kripp said back in early POE they would mirror a map just because its so profitable back then

hahahaha

[stable shore]

And still i went back to t13 a few times

[faint mauve]

yeah thats ok

t13 at lvl 90 is not unprofitable to still run

[stable shore]

Yeah but that made map boring

Because no league meachanic investment

Then again sustain got buffed after sanctum

So i know it's not like that anymore

also appanrently you have white socket bench now ?

[faint mauve]

?

[stable shore]

i wish i had that during sanctum, i couldn't swap GMP for ele damage support because i would need 5 off colour on my 6 link

[faint mauve]

white socket bench ? you mean betrayal ?

[stable shore]

yeah

it didn't exist during sanctum

[faint mauve]

oh yeah, i never did it since i didnt need it

[stable shore]

oh boy i desperately needed it

[faint mauve]

i dropped a diadem on my first mastermind run in ruth

LOL

[stable shore]

hum i think i dropped one too ?

i'm unsure

[faint mauve]

it felt goooood

[stable shore]

my biggest drop was a carcass jack i think

that i dropped early

and sold big

but also at some point a guy gifted me 120 alch for free

and that's actually my biggest "drop"

[faint mauve]

i think if hard targetting uniques other than MF low tier strat its also alva temple for unique flipping

or those TOTA enjoyers will just farm until they get that omen and then get a free brass dome

[stable shore]

oh, that's actually an insane addition to ruthless

i would have done that too if i played it this league

[faint mauve]

yeh, i dont think anyone found a mageblood this league

[stable shore]

i think i would have farmed an emperor vigilence shield

[faint mauve]

headhunter yes

[stable shore]

and reroll spectral shield throw

with omen

i don't think brass dome outmatches a lightning coil for right tree side ascendancies

i would prefer loreweave + damnation over it anyway

[faint mauve]

oh yeah

[stable shore]

with determination nerf, i believe lightning coil is ultra expensive in ruthless no ?

[faint mauve]

the thing i learnt is if i dropped a very niche yet rare unique like say incandescent heart, is to be patient on trade

[stable shore]

hum i agree but to some limit

[faint mauve]

things just take time to flip when you list anything 50 - 100+ alchs

[stable shore]

if it's too niche, sometime you potentially have 1 buyer max

[faint mauve]

yah

i found two eternal orbs

[stable shore]

i ended up selling a non corrupted splitted 6 link 30 alch

because no one in this fcking game wanted a full eva armour

[faint mauve]

oh yeah

sounds about right

[stable shore]

that's why sommeone gave me 120 alch for free

[placid yarrow]

There's a flicker strike for power charges now pog

Is there power charge generation tech?

I'll have to look into it

[stable shore]

i was active on trade chat talking to people, and people followed me unlucky eldritch chaos orb streak on my body armour i was crafting

as well as the desperate attempts i had for selling this split body armour for 2 weeks

[faint mauve]

isit just a white 6 link ?

[stable shore]

i don't think i ever sold something this underpriced ever

[stable shore]

it had good eldritch implicits

but you would have had to craft it yes

[faint mauve]

i'd probably just slam it and pray it turns from 30 alchs to 50 alchs even

haha

[stable shore]

so that one guy pity me and gave alchs to compensate

[faint mauve]

theres really alot of things to account for that i otherwise will not playing non ruth

[placid yarrow]

Undercutting the entire market for an instant sell on something that's dropping is da wey , especially early on

[stable shore]

yeah no i was having a rough crafting luck with eldritch chaos

so i didn't have faith in that

i learnt the hard way full evasion can go fuck itself and no one likes it except me

because you all are lame inquisitor/jugg juck

[faint mauve]

lol

[placid yarrow]

NGL kinda wish LE used an entropy system for dodge like Poe does

[stable shore]

it seems great ngl

[placid yarrow]

Would make it a lot more consistent

[stable shore]

for ssf at least

for easy crit cap

i think it falls behind the frenzy one at high budget

[placid yarrow]

Yeah but what do you generate the charges with?

[stable shore]

the skill

[placid yarrow]

Oh yeah for sure, attack speed is everything

[stable shore]

farrul fur

and 50% from crit

you basically cannot go below your max charge in average

[placid yarrow]

I was hoping I didnt have to go ferruls with it maybe

[stable shore]

with a simple multistrike you should sustain max charge in average

[placid yarrow]

Since if I'm going ferruls might aswell just do normal flicker

[stable shore]

i mean, farrul is just mandatory

it's good to sustain flicker cost, but you need to stay at max charge

[placid yarrow]

It wasn't during crucible, we had jank tech to sustain without it 😭

[stable shore]

but it's just obvious since you would go badge of the brotherhood

so farrul seems like the best choice

[placid yarrow]

Yeah, I'll most likely just go normal flicker

[stable shore]

i see it as a better option early

nothing more

[placid yarrow]

There's this new jank tech where you go redblade banner in your weapon swap as a berserker for instant 50 rage now that the gloves are nerfed lol

It's not actually new tech but nobody was bothering with that shit before lol

[stable shore]

hum i think berserker always used that

no matter what

for war bringer of course

[placid yarrow]

Yeah but no one was flickering on zerker

[stable shore]

it's just better than kaom's

[stable shore]

oh, well i don't see the point of doing that

even with redblade

slayer is just superior

[placid yarrow]

Nah slayer got rekt

Lost like 40% dps

[stable shore]

why ?

[placid yarrow]

For it

I don't remember details

[stable shore]

impact is basically always maxed

[placid yarrow]

But zerker with the weapon swap is better, at least league started to mid budget wise

[stable shore]

i'm confident slayer is superior in endgame

no matter what

[placid yarrow]

And shaco is gonna rocket in price

Yeah slayer is prob better at higher budget still, but early game you're suffering

Like when you're still on terminus est and shit

I'll prob go StarForge tbh

I did it once before and it was good fun

[stable shore]

15 free endurance charge, 15% more damage + 60% aoe + 4 melee range, 20% more damage, 10% more damage if you kill recently, overleech

[stable shore]

oh

i guess so then

[placid yarrow]

I mean shaco raider is still the best at infinite budget

But that's cringe

[stable shore]

nah i think slayer is better at infinite budget too

i just can't see why raider would be even close, slayers just have better numbers

[placid yarrow]

Well I mean infinite budget league wise, so not so infinite

[stable shore]

i mean, the build is pretty much the exact same slayer or raider

slayer just have more damage and more defences

[placid yarrow]

Nah raider with shaco almost always wins out on DPS in league, at least the past few ones if I remember right

[stable shore]

why ?

[placid yarrow]

Not sure never bothered researching the shaco raider built because I knew I'd never play it

[stable shore]

i mean anyway, even if damage was better why would you pass on overleech and 15 endurance charges

and i'm sure damage isn't better anyway

[placid yarrow]

Yeah for sure, the shaco raider needs tons of investment compared to Slayer to even get going too I heard

Idk we'll see

I'll prob start this league late or slow af anyway, i got exams and shit

[stable shore]

exams in what domain ?

[placid yarrow]

CS

Computer science

[stable shore]

CS ?

[placid yarrow]

I knew it lul

[stable shore]

i thought all guys in computer science were femboys

did internet lie to me

[placid yarrow]

Mmm i might turn into one by the time I graduate

[stable shore]

can't stop the pipeline

[placid yarrow]

I'm not a Linux user yet though

Thats when it happens I think

NGL though Linux as your main os just seems like self flagellation

[stable shore]

that's you soon

[placid yarrow]

I don't think I'll ever do it unless Microsoft just goes full apeshit on windows

I did have a course in assembly

And we did dabble in C

But nothing major

I'm primarily Java rn

Been thinking of learning something new though

So I think I'm fine for now

[stable shore]

do you feel confident for the exam ?

[placid yarrow]

Pretty confident yea

[stable shore]

pretty nice

[placid yarrow]

It's about data structures and time complexity

[stable shore]

hopefully sleep don't screw you the day before

personally it's always what i fear for exams

[placid yarrow]

Yeah hopefully it's kinda late in the day

[stable shore]

man i can't anymore with shb post msq

when does it gets interesting

i am mostly bored to death with huge spike of excitement when zenos is on screen

[placid yarrow]

Lol

[stable shore]

probably the worst post msq so far

[placid yarrow]

Man im just waiting for stuff to come out right now NGL, not too bad since I'm busy anyway but I'm kinda bored in my freetime

I'm playing league ffs

Have you played code vein?

[stable shore]

nope

you can have fun on PoB soon to prepare for poe maybe

if ever you are a theory craft andy

[placid yarrow]

True

I do like me some pob

Did they release it for the patch?

[stable shore]

part of it

[placid yarrow]

Ehhh

[stable shore]

they released the ascendancies

[placid yarrow]

Oh

[stable shore]

no support for the skills yet

[placid yarrow]

That should be fine ig

[stable shore]

and they released a part of the updated skills

no transfigured shit yet

[placid yarrow]

Yeah, I mean like I said I'll prob just do vanilla flicker and not the power charge one

Was hoping they'd do something more interesting with it, was kinda looking at the consecrated path one

It's basically flicker but on endurance charges

But I've tried consecrated path before and the range on it sucks ass compared to flicker

And the dps will probably also be ass lol

But I bet you could get real chonky with the Perma consecrated ground and stuff

[stable shore]

endurance charges seem harder to generate too no ?

it's mostly on hit stuff

[placid yarrow]

There's for sure a way to do it I think

[stable shore]

the second line should be a UI option tbh

[placid yarrow]

Lol that's fucked up that it's a node

[stable shore]

yeah, it's not gameplay at all

[placid yarrow]

It's like the light radius on ES on the mastery

Fucking hate that that's a thing

[stable shore]

yeah, it's stupid as hell

hopefully light radius won't make it to poe 2

[placid yarrow]

Look at this

Why

Why ggg

[stable shore]

still too much light

nerf

[placid yarrow]

I had such a hard time in lab lol

Until I remembered, put the point in and beat it easily

Gl navigating the spikes and saw blades via noise alone

[stable shore]

BRO why can't i just kill him ?!

[placid yarrow]

Yo did he kill yshtola

[stable shore]

i hate how sometime this game makes you not act at all

[placid yarrow]

Or whatever her name is

[stable shore]

nah, long story short our friends are split in two between two worlds

[placid yarrow]

Oh she's dream walking

[stable shore]

and if we don't fix them they will die

[near hedge]

yshtola dies and comes back like 1000 times

[stable shore]

what you see her is she fell uncouscious because she is reaching her limit

[placid yarrow]

At least put her on a bench or something wth

[stable shore]

i just arrived here

[placid yarrow]

Messed up

[stable shore]

but my point is, there is no logical explanation as to why i can't kill edilibus on the spot

[placid yarrow]

It's called plot armour duh

[near hedge]

i mean there kind of is

[stable shore]

lore showed he is MUCH weaker than emet selch and zenos, and i killed both

i should be able to solo him here

[placid yarrow]

It's like why in every show ever people start by hitting each other with the weakest moves possible and then slowly go up in power for no reason

[near hedge]

his strength is actually severely underplayed

[placid yarrow]

https://tenor.com/view/indiana-jones-shot-gif-11119391

This is what most fights in shows and games should be like

[stable shore]

so he is stronger than he looks ?

[near hedge]

stronger than he lets on yeah

[placid yarrow]

Since someone always has a trump card that the other could have never countered to begin with

[stable shore]

why did he got stomped by zenos with a weak body then ?

[near hedge]

he didnt really get stomped. he just said eh fuck it, and zooped out

[stable shore]

he undeniably is much weaker now than when he had zenos corpse

[stable shore]

after he revealed every secrets of his people out loud, i believe he was kinda forced to leave

the way cinematics portrayed it, he got way too overconfident

if he is actually stronger than me, then first he hides it VERY well, and also it makes no sense it's not known yet

[placid yarrow]

Like why didn't Luffy just pull out gear 2 and 4 on the spot as soon as he got to a tough enemy and instead of getting his ass beat first

3 he kinda just pulled out so I give it a pass

[stable shore]

it's kinda inconsistent

he pulled out gear 5 instantly for lucci

but against kizaru "heh let's just go with gear 4, should be enough"

[placid yarrow]

Yeah like what

[stable shore]

gear 3 isn't an actual form anymore

he couples it to other gear now

[placid yarrow]

Yeah true, NGL i don't follow the manga very much anymore

I'm not up to date on it

[stable shore]

it's kinda peak ngl atm

[placid yarrow]

I know everyone's loves odas structuring but its sometimes a bit dense for me and I often had to go back and reread chapters so I was like meh

[stable shore]

it's far from perfect

but we are on a solid arc

[placid yarrow]

Since I usually read on phone it makes me have to zoom in

[stable shore]

nah honestly aside of dickriders, people are mitigated on odas structuring

[placid yarrow]

I can read on my tablet but honestly prefer phone usually

[stable shore]

his panneling sucks ass and many people acknowledge it

[placid yarrow]

Man thank god lol

I thought I was crazy

[stable shore]

if you listen to the bigger part of the community, any negative thing you say on one piece is wrong

[placid yarrow]

I was shocked hearing people loved it

[stable shore]

they are the crazy people

one piece is rather flawed

it's nowhere near perfect

and that's fine

[placid yarrow]

I mean yeah but it's still pretty goated overall

[stable shore]

but a big part of the community isn't ready to hear it has flaws

[placid yarrow]

I'll watch / read to the end for sure

But yeah doesn't mean it's perfect for sure

I'll prob catch up on the manga eventually

[stable shore]

like they actually believe the smallest coincidence in the manga between two chapters is a god tier foreshadowing

[placid yarrow]

Lol true

[stable shore]

or when there is a clear flaw, they will bend anything they or the manga previously stated to make it actually fine

[placid yarrow]

It does have some foreshadowing that spans a long ass time but people do have a fuckton of stretched ass theories too

[stable shore]

for exemple they used to say one piece wasn't a funny manga, and was pretty serious often

[placid yarrow]

Wtf

[stable shore]

but after gear 5 reveal when people complain it ruins tension because of how goofy it is, they just say "one piece was never serious, it always always a goofy manga"

[placid yarrow]

Lol

[stable shore]

also they will fill blank plotline of oda with headcanon and call it genius

[placid yarrow]

NGL i do miss the more slice of life episodes we had early on

[stable shore]

like, if we wonder why big mom didn't use any form of advanced haki against useless midd and law, it's because apparently Oda don't have to always draw haki to show it's being used, so issue is fixed

[placid yarrow]

Feels like there's very little of that now

Idk if the manga ever had that stuff

[stable shore]

yep, that's because one piece is filled with unnescessary characters

sreentime is used by genuinely irrelevant and boring characters

[placid yarrow]

I started with the anime

[tame dome]

🤦‍♂️ That's definetly one of the more rediculous things I've read.

[placid yarrow]

Yeah it's crazy how little some of the crew do

[stable shore]

as a result our strawhats don't have any fun or normal moments together to make them feel like actual friends

hell, blackbeard crew feels more like a crew than strawhats now

[placid yarrow]

Like robin, nami, chopper, Franky, and usopp and even brook do fuck all usually

[stable shore]

how the fuck did no one asked zoro why he was missing an eye

for exemple

[placid yarrow]

It's just the trio getting all the action

[stable shore]

nami has some cool moment

but robin is basically a living wikipedia

usopp ... i have SO many things to say on him. let's just say he had the biggest downgrade by far from pre timeskip

[placid yarrow]

Honestly even Sanji fell off in the wano arc, idk about after

[stable shore]

Franky, he has no bad moment

he has some cool moments

[placid yarrow]

Idk I'm mostly talking from anime, they do nothing lol

[stable shore]

it's hard to hate on him even if he isn't relevant

chopper already failed his dream of curing every illness by failing to cure smiles

zoro has no depth beyond fighting

brook and jinbei are genuinely useless and nothing wouild change without them in the crew

[placid yarrow]

I mean yeah but it felt like it went from a deeper story telling story to just action

[stable shore]

brook had a single good moment in whole cake island, then never again

[stable shore]

even action isn't delivering

[placid yarrow]

And basically everyone but Luffy and Zoro don't stand a chance in a real fight it seems

[stable shore]

Oda keeps cockblocking us on top tiers showing off their ability

[placid yarrow]

They all just do some random support work

[stable shore]

we still have yet to see an admiral fight seriously, and we are 1100 chapters in

we still aren't allowed to see imu's face, or rocks' face

[placid yarrow]

Like before chopper would have some cool doctor moments

Now it's like "chopper patch them up pls"

[stable shore]

oda has a checklist, each strawhat must have 1 cool moment per arc

then there is nothing else

[placid yarrow]

And he does it off cam and you see them later in full body bandages or some bs

Nami doesn't do shit when they're off the boat it feels, like she kinda almost does sometimes

But in general not really

Same with usopp

[stable shore]

tbh luffy would have died in whole cake island without nami

she has some nice moment

[placid yarrow]

And Robin only appears to read a couple lines from a poneglyph or recall a bit of history every couple months lol

[stable shore]

but she could use more screentime yeah

[placid yarrow]

I mean yeah but wholecake was fucking ages ago now

[stable shore]

but she is far from being the SH with the least screentime

[placid yarrow]

Thats what I mean

[stable shore]

man i want to talk about usopp

[placid yarrow]

It shouldn't be one cool moment every couple years rofl

[stable shore]

remember how he tricked an entire country into taking part in a hopeless war in dressrosa ?

saying he would protect them

when they inevitably got their ass obliterated, he just fled

[placid yarrow]

Usopp got boring af, I'm at end of wano rn just so you know in case he pops off later

[stable shore]

he doens't get only boring

he is genuinely a bad character

[placid yarrow]

I feel like usopp stopped developing after time skip

Nothing happens

Nothing changes

[stable shore]

it's worse than that

he is actually getting worse

he legitimately does evil stuff

[placid yarrow]

True he was kinda badass at timeskip

[stable shore]

he sold fake medicines to people in wano

[placid yarrow]

Oh true the toad stuff lol

[stable shore]

he almost killed an entire country because of his lies

[placid yarrow]

Toad oil or whatever

[stable shore]

that country thing only resolved itself because of sheer luck

in wano he begged for nami to not say luffy will be king of pirates

he is the absolute worst

he is by far the SH who suffered the most in post time skip from lack of developpement

[placid yarrow]

But yeah the overplayed jokes like sanjis heart eyes at the sight of any woman , Franky yelling super with his arms together every 3 seconds and Brooke making I don't have meat on me jokes are so old now

[stable shore]

sanji's jokes are the worst

sanji jokes are the lowest points of his characters

[placid yarrow]

They were funny when the character got introduced

But Jesus Christ

It's been like 20 years since we first saw Sanji

[stable shore]

fact is, he would pretty much be the best character bare none without his jokes

[placid yarrow]

Make something new

[stable shore]

his jokes didn't use to be this bad

[placid yarrow]

True

[stable shore]

now it's actual sexual harassement

[placid yarrow]

He didn't do it as randomly as he does now

[tame dome]

I mean, Luffy's crew isn't really a crew - sure they share some vague aligned interests and have their own rolls on his ship - but at the end of the day they just tolerate eachother outside of dire situations which I actually find really hilarious (and that's kind of the point). 9/10 someone did something stupid and they're scrambling to get back togethor so they can actually deal worthwhile damage to the baddies.

[placid yarrow]

Idk about that they just tolerate each other

[stable shore]

when he rubbed nami's boobs when he took over her body, when he stated his dream was to get the invisible fruit to spy on naked womans, when he litteraly got unconscious from a nosebleed after seeing mermaid and was ko for an entire arc

[placid yarrow]

I feel like they like and trust each other a whole lot more than that

[placid yarrow]

I'm talking pre time skip

[stable shore]

have you seen the movie sanji drama cyborg ?

[placid yarrow]

It used to be less random and all the time back then

[stable shore]

i don't even think i can mention it here, it's probably TOS

[lethal bane]

Wtf

[placid yarrow]

Uhh idk

What movie?

[stable shore]

but my point is sanji has the biggest lows EVER in one piece

[placid yarrow]

I don't really follow the one piece community

[stable shore]

sanjis fan are on suicidewatch whenver oda makes a sanji joke

[placid yarrow]

Lol

[stable shore]

film z

i can send you the clip in DM

i would get banned if i post it here i'm sure

[placid yarrow]

I think Zoro's peak was still on thriller bark after the fight