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[amber tree]

Potion upgrades is cool imo

[amber tree]

More item screens?

[tawny sand]

you want more legendaries? i got two more

[amber tree]

Just in general

Wanna see how mods work

Is there always life on armors f.ex

Always x mod on x slot item

[tawny sand]

oops i fucked up the second one, it's an offhand named "enigma cube of conflagration"

[amber tree]

No assured damage Stat at least, that's good to see

[rustic meteor]

Weird stats

Dmg to distant enemies

[tawny sand]

there's damage to close enemies too

[rustic meteor]

Aka melee dmg

[amber tree]

Probably with different value ramges

[tawny sand]

and damage to crowd controlled enemies

let me screen the two rares i have 1 sec

[rustic meteor]

By crowd controlled they mean everything from slow to freeze?

[tawny sand]

i was experimenting with cold before i switched to lightning, it seems there's "chilled" and "frozen"

[rustic meteor]

Lucky hit wtf?

[amber tree]

Ooh looks like no assurred hp Stat either

How do weapons interact with spells, like sorc?

[tawny sand]

lightning does "crackling energy" which is some orb that drops that you pick up and does lightning damage to surrounding enemies or something

[tawny sand]

how do you mean? like attack speed? I had a staff for a bit and it was a little slower

[amber tree]

Does the weapon damage affect your spells?

[tawny sand]

Oh, I think it does yeah

if you're talking about "damage per hit"

at least i think it does

oh i got dc'd

[amber tree]

Seems to be happening alot

[tawny sand]

def noticed some rubberbanding yeah

I meant to jot down what the attributes did, but i forgot

but i know strength increases armor like d3

there were four attributes in total, strength, intelligence, willpower, and something else

i forgot what the rest did

[rustic meteor]

I will build around "something else"

[amber tree]

Dex

How is the population on the overworld?

[junior oyster]

NPCs or players?

[amber tree]

How many other players around

[junior oyster]

I saw like 3 before I got dc'ed

[amber tree]

The whole time?

Or at one event

[junior oyster]

Nah on the "main map"

[tawny sand]

it seems to phase you a lot, i saw a few at an event, then nobody roaming around, then a bunch in town

[junior oyster]

I quickly got dc'ed after that

[amber tree]

That's nice to hear

I worry that things get crowded like DI

[junior oyster]

I don't like randoms joining me in my kills...

But it definitely has the D2 aspect as it's kinda hard to notice the enemies with how dark everything is.

[amber tree]

Me neither, but a few at an event is not as bad as 5 people on your mobile screen

[tawny sand]

the event i did i died on even with two other players, i got swarmed pretty fast

[amber tree]

That's nice to hear, too

Did they keep the +level -level dungeon options?

[tawny sand]

combat feels meaty and nice, but i think that's unsurprising

lightning felt really good to me

[amber tree]

Where you could choose to do dungeons that were synced a few levels above or below, instead of at level

[junior oyster]

Combat was good even in D3 so that's almost a no-brainer

[tawny sand]

oh i'm not sure, i didn't see that option

[amber tree]

Alot of good news I'm getting here

Except for the difficulty thing, they had some dungeon options higher or lower in the development post, but if it's not there I hope the game is hard even so

[tawny sand]

it seemed like the dungeons i did had a level attached to them, but idk if it was synced to my current level or not. i didn't think to take note of it

but there was a Level 10+ or whatever on them

i also died on a boss in one of them

but i'm also bad at video games so idk if that means anything

[junior oyster]

What level are you?

[tawny sand]

almost 10 i think now? i'm not in the game atm

[junior oyster]

I'm around level 6 or 7 and also not in game due to the queue

[tawny sand]

trying to go sort of fast cause i want the pupper cosmetic

[amber tree]

I'm not sure if that's for this one

[junior oyster]

I think that will be easy enough to achieve lol

Unless we get constant dc

[amber tree]

It did specify the open beta

[junior oyster]

I believe it also counts for this one

It's early access to the OB

[tawny sand]

i thought it was both too

[amber tree]

Could be

[junior oyster]

Yea I'm pretty sure it is

[amber tree]

I really want that wolf pack

[tawny sand]

I saw the extract legendary aspects person too, but it was 5000 gold and i only had 10,000 so i didn't test it out

been using gold to respec a lot to try different stuff

i wonder if when we get seasons if we have to redo this each season, like if it's the "seasonal journey"

[paper moss]

So D4 is pretty amazing, prolly hands down the best arpg to date.

When it works and you can get in

[copper pawn]

nothing's good if you're not a part of it

[tawny sand]

i wouldn't go that far, it's only 1 act

[copper pawn]

yeah, have to see the entire endgame system, how paragon board and glyph, overall itemization work

[worn yacht]

mannn im not gonna lie, the fact that the stuck the butcher in a random dungeon and made him unkillable and i was on hardcore is

... pretty funny

[solar stone]

D4 is legit phenomenal. Diablo about to regain the ARPG crown

[worn sandal]

booo

[copper pawn]

too early to say, but it definitely has great potential, this is literally the last chance of blizzard, they can't afford to fail

[paper moss]

I would def go that far , from what's played so far is better than anything else on the market period

[paper moss]

Lol yes they can, immortal grossed 1 billion in 11 months , they're golden

[copper pawn]

I don't mean in terms of revenue, because revenue will rock the top no matter what, what I mean is reputation as one of the top game companies in the world

and that can only tell when we see the whole game, not just chapter 1, too early to tell

[tawny sand]

what's the endgame like?

seasons? battle pass? cosmetic shop?

[copper pawn]

dungeons, strongholds, world bosses, completing renown system
that's not mentioning new things coming to each new season

[paper moss]

^

[tawny sand]

is available in the beta?

oh right that's in act 1, that's not endgame then

unless hunting down lilith altars (mokoko seeds) is endgame

[paper moss]

It was last beta

This is more of the actual game beta

[tawny sand]

what i'm asking is, is there a playable version of endgame that any of you played? The endgame beta is under NDA afaik, I've only played this current beta which is act 1

i know there's world tiers, and i assume i'll be doing the same things i'm already doing in the current world tier

[copper pawn]

the alpha long ago was endgame only, but not that much content about it was revealed

[agile lotus]

Someone leaked the end game footage from beta

Doesn’t look good

[meager saffron]

D4 skill trees and items are dog water

[paper moss]

Sounds like someone who didn't make it past lvl 2

[amber tree]

they're better than d3, that's for sure

[paper moss]

Hydras are pretty op , killed the lvl 35 extremely rare elite with them with ease

[copper pawn]

dope item

[paper moss]

Very nice

[thorny gyro]

lol item power

[solar stone]

Sounds like an ignorant opinion

[solar stone]

Troll alert

[meager saffron]

You can defend the game all you want. The skill trees and itemization are lacking big time for a modern day arpg.

[steady holly]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLf6tGPcfLQ

[solar stone]

Except they really aren't.

[solar stone]

Heard asmomgold loves the game

[steady holly]

I think every ARPG fan wants it to be a good game, except... it's blizzard

[solar stone]

That literally means nothing they have made three arpgs prior to D4 two of which were solid and best in genre

Like if ur gonna hate on blizzard at least hate on them for shit like overwatch and WoW. D3 even at it's worst was above average for the genre

[steady holly]

lol u forgot DImmortal

[solar stone]

They didn't make that game they just published

It was literally the same Chinese game with a reskin

[steady holly]

right, and they are holding blizzard as hostage, force them to publish it

[meager saffron]

You say that they aren't, just I've yet to see anything from the game that is half as interesting as stuff from last epoch or poe

It's for casuals, which is fine.

[solar stone]

Nope it was a smart business decision made a shit ton of money in Asia. Their only mistake was announcing at blizzcon. It was never meant to be for u or me

[steady holly]

I really want d4 to be a success tho, d3:reaper of souls like

as a fan of mmorpg and arpg

Lost Ark got my hopes up, and but it sucked

[solar stone]

Yup can't just port a Korean MMO to the west. They bake the pay to win in everything

[meager saffron]

If you play a melee rogue you get 2 builds and 2 spenders. So much choice and variety

Please Xeratul, enlighten me

[solar stone]

Dawg you saw the first zone in the game. LE is boring as fuck during the first act. Like ur being a drama whore.

[meager saffron]

I didn't say the zone was bad

I said the skill trees and items I've seen (from the end game leak as well) are bad

[agile lotus]

?

[solar stone]

No ur implying that build choice variety at endgame will be exactly what ur seeing in act 1 that's just idiotic

[meager saffron]

No. I'm implying that unless you get skills from items, the rogue has 2 melee builders and 2 spenders and no amount of leveling up changes that.

[solar stone]

U realize they already said ur suppose to use unique affixes to combine into more builds. This game is item focused rather than POE where it's just stacking ability passives to multiply damage and using gear to get defensives

LE I mean

[agile lotus]

Bro we get it you think D4 is a groundbreaking game.

Everyone can have an opinion

[meager saffron]

Eh we'll see. I think just by how shallow the games skill tree is and from the items I've seen in the end game leak, not sure it'll really get much better.

[agile lotus]

Yeah that was disappointing

It can still change from what was shown

[meager saffron]

Hopefully the uniques are wild but I'm really doubting it

[agile lotus]

But it’s a bit too close to launch to think there will be major changes

[meager saffron]

The game has been done for months. It's not changing lol

[junior oyster]

I feel conflicted with regards to D4. On the one hand it has an awesome atmosphere which beats PoE, Grim Dawn and LE for me but then on the other hand skills and itemisation feels lackluster

[agile lotus]

I mean games always change even last minute

[meager saffron]

Exactly my thoughts.

[agile lotus]

It’s best to just wait

And see

I’m not playing any beta but I’ll give the game a shot on launch

No matter what it will be fun for at least a month or 2

[junior oyster]

LE has the best "skill" tree other than the passive tree which to me is just GD mastery tree but without having to invest into mastery bar itself.

And I love GD's constellation system most out of all the arpgs I've played so far.

[agile lotus]

I was skeptical about trying LE and I’ve only been playing for a few days but it’s better than I thought it would be

[junior oyster]

I played the beta on sorc (till level 20) and I gotta say it is just ok

[solar stone]

My only gripe with LE is over reliance on stacking passives on skills to get most of ur power. Itemization focused on defensives is bleh. I do like some of the new uniques like the blasting melee dagger

[junior oyster]

Like the hydra skill is leagues better than meteor

[tawny sand]

I thought meteor sucked to, so did incinerate

[junior oyster]

Why the hell does meteor have such a small aoe LOL

[tawny sand]

Idk if it's bugged, but it felt like they did no damage

[junior oyster]

This is why D3 wiz > D4 sorc lol

Incinerate is pointless in vet mode at least since every enemy chases you...

[tawny sand]

lightning overall just felt better to play, i had a legendary that let chain lightning chain two more times

[agile lotus]

I wish they didn’t get rid of rifts

I don’t like the new dungeons feel

[junior oyster]

Also why they couldn't call it disintegrate is beyond me. They should have renamed meteor to comet or something then too

[agile lotus]

And the mob density at end game was sad to see

Maybe I’m just spoiled from d3

[ocean plank]

point is to add something new, not again rifts like d3

[junior oyster]

Dungeons are one time clear and that to me is a bit meh

[agile lotus]

Dungeons aren’t new I wouldn’t say

Nah dungeons are spam farm

It’s like Diablo immortal

You use them to upgrade items over and over again

[junior oyster]

I haven't played DI so I wouldn't know

[ocean plank]

i dont really get today's players, they are not satisfied with anything really

[junior oyster]

Oh I must be thinking of the wrong thing then

[ocean plank]

and dont even say immortal as diablo, its a disgrace for the name itself plz

[junior oyster]

I was on about the ones on the world map which you clear and get set ascendancies or w/e they are called

Ancestries maybe?

[solar stone]

Spot on they just whine about everything. They want every company to just copy the things they like from every other company

[agile lotus]

The dungeon system is the same as immortal

It’s clear where they got the idea from as none of the other Diablo games have the system besides immortal

[ocean plank]

thing is, i ve seen those days people who play poe or grim dawn or d3 or LE , complaining why d4 doesnt have those same things like these games. as a noob myself playing arpgs 13 years now , aint suppose each game to have something unique when its released? something different than other games? am i wrong?

[solar stone]

U realize now every aspect of immortal wasnt bad right?

[agile lotus]

I do again you don’t have to come off so hard I get your simping for d4.

I’m just saying what doesn’t look good

[ocean plank]

point is i have 10k hours on poe same hours in d3 and 5k in d2r since i was a small boy at d2 release, and yet i dont complain about the gameplay, i am afraid just this battle pass thing not to be unfair for the people who want to pay or not.

[agile lotus]

I’ll give it a shot like everyone should

[ocean plank]

u can accept it or not

if they make diablo 4 gold digger to progress and be stronger, blizzard will official end for millions of people

its their last chance to save something

they destroyed WoW except dragonflight which is ok, heroes of storms project cancelled, hs is for people who spend money now, overwatch same thing and i dont want to speak about call of duty etc

but i guess being a guy who spends money for his family and wanna spend a bit more to have some fun in his free time is nosense nowdays

i have to make thousands of dollars per month to play something to have fun

[junior oyster]

I can't wait to complain about how shit D4 turns out to be and that I wasted my money by pre-ordering it 😂

[ocean plank]

i haven't pre order it yet, i will play next week to see it myself ofc. then i plan to upgrade my pc a bit the next month. depends how things go i might buy it until june if my money are enough

[solar stone]

Or u could focus on the hundreds of hours I'm sure u will get out of it. As many did with the supposedly awful d3

[junior oyster]

It depends on how it turns out. If it's more closer to an mmo then I can guarantee I won't play it for anything other than the campaign.

And with D3 I only had issue with the initial error 37 and them nerfing my archon wiz post-RoS

[ocean plank]

haha

[junior oyster]

Didn't care too much about the rmah but was aware it was kinda bad for the game

[ocean plank]

d3 is still fun to play, finished some days ago the last season, now playing a bit LE and darkest dungeon 2

[junior oyster]

I need one more primal and then I'm basically done with the season

I also got to gr130 on my wiz which is the highest I ever got

[solar stone]

Yup D3 is the shining example of dog piling mentality we have in the gaming community. A few people complained then everyone jumped on. Funny enough most have hundreds of hours in the game

[junior oyster]

Yep I have 100s of hours between all the classes except wizard

[ocean plank]

i have around 8k hours total since the beginning in the game , not much , in poe i have 11k hours almost now

[junior oyster]

I have around 2k on wizard

[ocean plank]

oh u play a lot wizard

i never played barbarian in diablo 3, but in beta i will try druid first

then barbarian

beta of d4

[junior oyster]

The character I played least of is definitely the witch doc

[ocean plank]

witch doctor always fun to play, u have frogs and some weird minions to play

[junior oyster]

That was actually my third issue with D3. They chose a freaking wd instead of necro. I was pissed off before release even.

Was like wtf Bliz...

[ocean plank]

i am sure they might do some changes, maybe until release or after

[junior oyster]

Then when necro came out I was like ok nvm I'm glad necro didn't exist back then.

[ocean plank]

i just hope they will listen the community

[junior oyster]

It's a little late lol

[ocean plank]

than do their things

[junior oyster]

The most they can probably do is sort out bugs and some minor details here and there.

[ocean plank]

that too, true

[long grotto]

Wow diablo IV is bad

They spent their entire budget on the intro cutscene

Im just glad I got my $75 back

should definetly be f2p

its a fucking mobile game

[long grotto]

you cannot

nor necro

Dude I was so excited after seeing the intro cutscene

Then got greeted with lost ark

[quick crater]

Next week on open beta druid and necro are open

[quick crater]

Totally 100% disagreed
D4 is resource based skills and not full cooldown based and the cd in d4 are pretty much fair and comparable to d3

[solar stone]

Dawg just stop. It has some elements similar to lost ark but the majority feels like a D2/D3 hybrid

This sensationalistic negativity is exhausting

[long grotto]

nothing about d4 reminds me of d2 except the name

im gonna give another shot on the free weekend for sure

but

[solar stone]

Brah the entire skill system including the presentation is very reminiscent of d2

[maiden widget]

The skill system feels more like a more restricted D3 system than d2 honestly

[meager saffron]

^

[desert jasper]

Is it okay to report spammers like this with @ to devs?

[teal flame]

You dont want to reply to the message, I dont think

[desert jasper]

@ionic osprey Täällä on spambotti, anteeksi

[teal flame]

But def report them

[desert jasper]

Eh, if a mod removes their message then the "reply to message" disappears too
just shows "message deleted"

Thank you

[karmic nimbus]

@ gregory's groles for spammers

[amber tree]

the skill system is litterally based off D2, and they've said so, as well

[long grotto]

They can talk and say whatever they like, the skill system looks nothing like D2 to me and yes does seem restrictive and uninspired

to me atleast

I grew up on D2 so bought what they were selling

promptly refunded

[amber tree]

skill points going into skill ranks is d2

[long grotto]

lol thats like the bare minium of rpg standards these days

I have played more in depth mobile games

[amber tree]

POE doesnt have such a thing

nor does d3

[long grotto]

I am aware lol

but this is D4 we are talking about

I was expecting more to be honest

[amber tree]

I was referring to this

[long grotto]

And poe has a lot of depth

[amber tree]

yes, its a very complex ARPG that is not friendly to casuals

no diablo game, not one, has been complex

[long grotto]

I love it for that

[amber tree]

why would you expect it?

[long grotto]

because its 2023

and they made it seem like it would be lol

Idk why youre being a dick defender about it

[amber tree]

That's not the vibe i was picking up from the dev posts

[long grotto]

Do you work for blizzard lol

[amber tree]

because it makes no sense that peopel are expecting any diablo game to be complex, they've always been simple, for the casual palyer

[long grotto]

Not at all

[amber tree]

and it bothers me that peopel would epxect them to switch sides of the spectrum

[long grotto]

Diablo 3 sure

Diablo 2 required game knowledge

[amber tree]

but the character progression, IE the skills and attribute points, were increadibly simple

[long grotto]

It was also a game from the 90s...

[quick crater]

No it absolutely did not

[amber tree]

jsut paly sorc

[long grotto]

It just seems like a mobile game to me

[amber tree]

no knowledge needed

[junior oyster]

Diablo 2 had enemy immunity. Thankfully we moved away from that.

[amber tree]

you're playing a different game from any other class

[long grotto]

with the lack of skill varriation and modability

[junior oyster]

But yea the skill system feels like a halfway between D2 and D3

[long grotto]

D2 is not a perfect game and shouldnt be the standard really anymore

[quick crater]

Instead of new games people should build you a time machine, go back fresh to the time of d2 maybe

[junior oyster]

Some skills we can add +skills to while the "passive" for those skills can only be once.

[amber tree]

the leggies and uniques seem to fill that gap, they look alot like d3 runes in effect, just weaker

[long grotto]

I just was expecting them to be able to make a more impressive skill system this go around

[quick crater]

You can’t base a thing on the 25 beta levels

[long grotto]

And the left click to attack such pain, I am not sure if you could change in keybinds or not

[amber tree]

dont think so

[long grotto]

Thats crazy

[junior oyster]

Also skills like meteor were pretty good in D2 but here in D4 (unless it gets better near endgame) it's pretty shite. Small aoe and huge cost.

[quick crater]

That’s like basing poe on the first 5 active skill gems, 3 passive gems and a max 3 link weapon

[junior oyster]

Those skills still do enough damage

[long grotto]

Nah i can with full confidence say its not going to get better until they make it better

always online bs as well

meh

Last epoch will be my go to for sure

[junior oyster]

I'm used to always online because of D3 but I get your point

[long grotto]

And even then i dunno man im bummed as hell

[junior oyster]

I wasn't happy when they announced D3 would always be online

[long grotto]

I did not recieve D3 well either

[amber tree]

which is also a mainstay of their games

[long grotto]

D3 I played SP on ps4?

[amber tree]

things like this

[long grotto]

Seems like they just want to make a bunch of money off something that got popular 20 years ago

[amber tree]

will make things more interesting, we simply dont have access to all of these yet

[long grotto]

I want good melee

so bad

when

Last epochs is OK

[junior oyster]

Play terraria for good melee 😂

[long grotto]

IM gonna slap

but good game

better than d4 at least

[junior oyster]

Play Slay the Spire for good melee

[long grotto]

I've been playing mordhau

[junior oyster]

Strike, strike and strike!

[amber tree]

class mechanics too, ive not seen the details of them, but they add more as well

[long grotto]

I really think they just wanna sell you their mtx

on their $75 game

[junior oyster]

I don't mind mtx sales if they are decent and cheap and not loot boxes

PoE mtx are not only ugly as heck but also very expensive

[long grotto]

they should have just made it f2p tbh

PoE is f2p...

[amber tree]

if they made it f2p it would be p2w

[long grotto]

goofy

[junior oyster]

But at the very least they don't come in gambling form (though there is an option for that).

[long grotto]

Nah some of the top grossing games are f2p cosmetics stricly

[junior oyster]

It's p2w to some extent but yea it's f2p

[long grotto]

Look at fortnite

[amber tree]

but those games were ALL built slowly over a very long period of time

[long grotto]

Pure cosmetic fortune

DIV has been slow in the making

[amber tree]

nowhere near as slow

[long grotto]

with a huge company behind it I'll not hace it

[junior oyster]

Honestly some cosmetics are purely ridiculous and I hope D3 does none of that halloween/thanksgiving kinda crap

[amber tree]

POE's been 10 years

as has warframe

that's not including betas

[solar stone]

Lol no it's not. Staah tabs are essentially required

POE is not f2p they just backload the payment

[amber tree]

of which, they definitely existed for both

as ssf i can 100% play without tabs

basically required if you trade though

its a night and day difference

[junior oyster]

Ngl I feel a little sorry for Wolcen here

[long grotto]

Still i dont see how you can compare companies like GGG to blizard

[junior oyster]

Even StS has more collective viewers

[amber tree]

POE is easily THE biggest ARPG there is

it is the cream of the crop of ARPGs right now

[junior oyster]

Yep

[solar stone]

It was at least

Doubtful it will be moving forward

[junior oyster]

It has so much useless content that it is the biggest arpg

Endgame wise it definitely is the biggest

[amber tree]

it no longer matters how small a studio is for comparisons, when you're the top game of your genre

[junior oyster]

As for the campaign I'd argue it's somewhat big but easily rushable.

[solar stone]

The growth potential of POE at this point is very low. It's way too unfriendly to new players

[amber tree]

POE's?

[junior oyster]

GGG is no longer an indie dev either

[amber tree]

they were bought yeah

subsid now

[junior oyster]

Even before they were bought they weren't exactly an indie dev

[amber tree]

yeah that's why I see everyone tell every new player to use a guide
understandably so

[junior oyster]

Yep. 1k hours in and I was done

[amber tree]

its way more complex than it seems, from the view of someone who jsut learned gem mechs and saw the passive tree

[junior oyster]

I started playing PoE properly back in the pokemon league

[amber tree]

and that is pretty compelx on its own

[junior oyster]

And gotta admit I enjoy D3 and D2 more than PoE

[amber tree]

800 hours here, mostly SSF

[junior oyster]

Grim Dawn is the best arpg out there for me so far

[amber tree]

will be doing much more as RSSF going forward

ah D2, ive played it since i was 4 years old. unfortunately im simply burned out on it

[solar stone]

Just shitty mp

[amber tree]

werewolf form had me palying all this time, but i dont think i will be playing it any further fro mthis point onwards

ive even modded the skills to other things in D2R

[junior oyster]

Honestly I'm glad it is not always online lol

[solar stone]

Fair

[junior oyster]

I'd rather have peer to peer mp than always online

Also moddable game so even better

[amber tree]

always SP here

I want to play GD and TQ again when i am able to grab the DLCs

basicalyl the same game with different classes aand settings

mechanics are exactly the same, its eerie

[junior oyster]

Lol same engine essentially

[amber tree]

I wouldnt doubt it

both great games

[amber tree]

GD is better

for the setting

[junior oyster]

I never liked TQ

I played it for 5 minutes and I was like nope

[amber tree]

I liked the druid, sucker for the wolves

[junior oyster]

Same with TL2 (never tried and don't care for 1)

I always go necro where possible

So in GD I summoned skeles and the golem things

[amber tree]

I like the fewer summon archetypes myself

the more active ones

dunno about GD

but in general the ones with large amounts of summosn are pretty passive

[junior oyster]

I love big armies

[amber tree]

jsut not my style, classic staple though

[junior oyster]

Just wish they wouldn't die aswell lol

Lagon destroys my skeles and it gets too annoying

[amber tree]

Love the hellhound for that

[junior oyster]

In GD skeles die too easily unless you have a certain set iirc

[amber tree]

I wouldnt doubt it, esp with army-type summons

nice thing about the hellhound is it explodes when it dies

and my god does it do alot of damage

[junior oyster]

In D2 there was a way of keeping skeles alive like having clay golem and decrepify

[amber tree]

Life tap

unless they whre phys immune

[junior oyster]

Sure but decrefipy made enemies extremely slow.

And clay golem was super effective against single target

[amber tree]

it also has a separate slowing effect

that stacks

63% slow at level 20, plus the 50% decrep slow iirc

Duriel basically doesnt animate

[amber tree]

Nah just 4

[copper pawn]

lol I want that, the only thing chain lightning related to me is the mana refund

[copper pawn]

because this is a diablo game, all skill names are carried over, as a legacy

[copper pawn]

in this aspect, the density is more closer to d2 design than d3

[agile lotus]

yeah i was hoping for the full screen d3

but i guess it gives a reason to keep playing d3

[tawny sand]

maybe it gets more dense as you level up, dunno

[copper pawn]

as for skill customization, it's a hybrid between d2 and d3
in terms of skill specialization yeah it's worse than d3 right now, at least d3 skill has 5 runes to choose from, d4 skill is only 1 passive and another 2 choose 1 passive to further modify the skill, so basically only 2 runes compared to 5 in d3, so I guess either they remake skill tree, or legendary items will handle that job

it's a shame it's only 2 choose 1, can make it 5 choose 1 to add more variety

or branch it further out, making it unique from d2 and d3

but 1 thing I know: give them time
LE has been in beta for several years for it to become like today, same for grim dawn and other games too, blizzard also needs time to improve d4 just like everyone else

[tawny sand]

you think they're going to change the skills in 3 months?

[copper pawn]

no, but I think they can handle that job with legendary items, and then slowly rework the skill tree as time goes by

and 1 thing it definitely lacks for a modern arpg: a god damn loot filter

[tawny sand]

and proper click to move

[copper pawn]

what happens?

[tawny sand]

it's janky, hard to explain. can't interact with objects and stuff, have to use an interact key if you use click to move

[paper moss]

Well when GGG has a company who owns them that's as big as Activision much how blizzard is owned by Activision, it's pretty comparable

[icy linden]

Any two things can be compared. It doesn't necessarily make sense to compare them and if comparison isn't with very specific terms of reference, nuanced or long-form, it's probably best taken with a bucket of salt

[copper pawn]

I don't seem to experience the same problem, maybe that got to do with latency or hardware

[tawny sand]

idk, zizaran talked about it in his impressions video too that it's jank

[amber tree]

Leggies seem more mechanically based in d4 than d3

Many of them seem like d3 runes to me

And uniques too, don't forget

I would like to see more talents added In the future, but they're not a deal breaker for me

I'm really glad density at high level isn't elevated to d3 levels, I find it really boring, I prefer fewer enemies that are tougher, require time to kill

Last thing I want is another horde wiper like d3 or endgame poe (if not ruthless)

[paper moss]

I think majority prefers density

I rather have maps filled with enemies than have to search for small grps here and there, screen wipes are pretty much what makes the genre

[amber tree]

It makes games too easy once you're at that point

[paper moss]

That's what scaling is for. They could only scale so high due to the limits of the d3 game engine. With 4 , they should be able to do infinite scaling now

[amber tree]

You cannot have wiping a screen and difficult encounters at the same time, they are diametrically opposed

[paper moss]

And with certain mobs still having 1 and 2 shot mechanics that need to be planned for like the world bosses swipe and poison breath still adds challenge too

[amber tree]

If they live long enough to be a challenge, you cannot wipe the screen

[paper moss]

Sure u can, it's called tiers or torment levels.. wipe screens in 15 go to 16 til u can wipe then 17 , then 18 , and so on

[amber tree]

Which is no challenge

[paper moss]

Pretty much every arpg made follows this format, offers plenty of challenge in each tier til ur geared for that level grp

[amber tree]

And you have no reason to go up higher before then, it's never worth in d3

It's rarely worth in poe

[paper moss]

You have plenty of reason, thats like saying welp I beat world 1-1 in Mario no reason to ever go to 2-1

[amber tree]

It's not how my experience with Grim Dawn was, nor like LE, though I've only been in the first monolith

[paper moss]

LE is the exact same , monoliths / arena

GD , shattered realms

[amber tree]

Don't have dlc for gd

Just vet mode

Which is on since level 1

[paper moss]

Then ur missing majority of its end game

[amber tree]

I am aware

Nonetheless, there is 0 challenge in screenwiping. You could go higher difficulty and not be at that point but you're better off screenwiping until you can screenwipe the next level, thus there is no challenge

[paper moss]

But lightning druid primal strike build destroys screens like crazy in Gd, super fun

[amber tree]

And to be clear, by screenwiping, I mean instantaneously clearing the entire screen of mobs

They barely move, much less attack

[paper moss]

Sounds like you just don't like arpgs and want more of a story based top down rpg

[amber tree]

I love difficult arpgs
They are not defined by instantly killing entire screens

[paper moss]

Van helsing is prolly the only one I can think if that doesn't have screen wiping

[amber tree]

Diablo 2 solo on p8 as not a sorc
Poe ruthless ssf as nonmeta
This game, no meta, possibly masochist mode when it's back

And from the sounds of it, diablo 4

[paper moss]

Then again the game was so dull I never made it that far so it may eventually

[amber tree]

None of the classes in van helsing were Interesting

To me

I am picky

[paper moss]

The engineer pet build was remotely cool, the game was just to meh

Victor vran was hilarious, just wasn't any variety

[amber tree]

From the sounds of it, diablo 4 on the higher difficulty is what I like

Some people saying even normal difficulty is slow

[paper moss]

Idk , I did world tier 2 as sorc and was clearing screens pretty quickly

Bosses were a good challenge tho

[amber tree]

Yeah but you're sorc

[paper moss]

Til I got dbl hydras

Pop 2 hydra and run in a circle lol

[copper pawn]

That's ways better than items serving as powercreep

[paper moss]

But if sorc is this strong, you know necro is gonna be a beast as usual since it's blizzards fav class

[amber tree]

Nah thats barb for sure

It's in every

Single

Game

Diablo or not

Well, every arpg

Rpg*

And even their rts

Arms warrior for whirlwind, fury otherwise
Blademaster is warcraft 3 and by extension, hots
Every diablo game as a base class
Whirlwind can be found is starcraft

[copper pawn]

It's just max level 25 in act 1, every game will be slow at that early stage

[amber tree]

Someone said the endgame leak was low density

[copper pawn]

How's it compared to d2?

[amber tree]

Oh idk, that's a good question

I liked d2 density, and the way it fluctuated based on enemy type

[copper pawn]

D4 seems to have fewer elite packs out in the wild compared to d2, but in dungeons it's a big jump

[amber tree]

From phys melee view, Stronger enemies had less density and took awhile to kill
Weaker enemies had sheer numbers to take awhile to kill

While each individual was not dangerous, and died quickly, you couldn't hit all of them at once

[amber tree]

That's nice I think

I just want mobs to be dangerous in the end and not instantly die, even if it's not every enemy

If it's a matter of turning up difficulty to reach that point, there must be good combat to go with

D3 didn't have that imo

[copper pawn]

We haven't seen 10% of the game yet with this beta, so brace yourself for the upcoming unknowns

Higher world tiers, higher item tiers (to be distinguished from item rarity), and most importantly paragon board

[quick crater]

Just encountered 4 elites (quest objective anima carrier) stacked on each other in a dungeon, that was not fun
3 had cc powers

[copper pawn]

Pepsi 🤣

[amber tree]

Did you die?

[quick crater]

Nope, poison trap, twisting blades and dash keep me alive as rogue and runs like a smooth train

Even butcher got taken care of when he popped up his head later in that dungeon 🙂

[copper pawn]

Did you guys drop items that + level to basic skills? Or only core skills and above

Wanna do a basic attack sorc

[quick crater]

Don’t think I’ve seen a +basic level affix indeed
There are some good basic skills legendary powers at least, and 1h weapons seem to roll +basic %dmg often enough
Staffs seem to favor +core %dmg

[copper pawn]

1h can add 2 sockets just like 2h right?

[junior oyster]

He was waay too fast for my sorc lol

[copper pawn]

I encountered him once, while fighting him, I ran away a bit and back, then he's gone, is it by design?

[junior oyster]

Might just be there as a way to give players a jump scare

And a possible challenge

[quick crater]

Think so too, random dungeon events to keep it fresh

[ocean plank]

yep i just figure it out, i haven't searched things about the game. i will this week so i can be rdy for the beta. i will try some builds in diablo calculator too

[long grotto]

Yeah ive been searching and watched MrLlamaSC play it lol

Not wasting me moneys

[ocean plank]

i believe next weekend if they had for example 2m players playing now

[long grotto]

THERE IS AN EMOTE QUEST LMAO

[ocean plank]

next one will have 6m

[long grotto]

IM sad its an mmo

[ocean plank]

i dont really know what i think about the game. in my opinion i may spend my money for dead island 2 coming next month, since i like zombie open world games a lot like dying light 1 and 2 + dead island 1

[long grotto]

I enjoyed the concept of the first dead island, id try the second, didnt even know bout that sweet

[ocean plank]

and for 80 euros u get ultimate edition when in diablo needs 100 euros

ye 21st april druid

it is in epic games store

[long grotto]

70 Euros is way to much for what has been presented. I think the budget in D4 went into cash shop, servers and the first cutscene

I honestly think people may be taking the copium

For instance

the skill animations

they are just

pathetic really

[ocean plank]

it needs some fixes. also i believe many people have complained about the skills..so i think they might look at this until official release

[long grotto]

I dont know if they can fix it without scrapping it

[ocean plank]

but every player has their style on skills, so they cant satisfy everyone i believe

[long grotto]

Feeling like D3 all over again

[long grotto]

Sorcerer skills just do not look good

[quick crater]

And you’re just a hatemonger

[long grotto]

Ok

[long grotto]

Projecting?

[ocean plank]

i will play this weekend to see it myself. anyways i will think if i buy it or not. i plan to upgrade my pc next month so depends what money i have i might buy it or not.

[long grotto]

Definitely give it a go

I plan to play more during the free beta myself

[ocean plank]

as far as i saw many players said sorcerer is strong, but barbarian something is off with this expertise mission so he cant progress further to become stronger if i dont make a mistake.

i ll give it a try as a rogue and if they let us druid or necro i will go with druid. i like his hat 😄

[long grotto]

Rogue probably has the best looking animations in the game imo because its just arrows lol

[ocean plank]

also i dont judge the game on graphics, it wont have ray tracing for now. when they add it , the game will be superb

[long grotto]

I dont judge all of them on graphics

Imo it looks like lost ark

[ocean plank]

no i like rogue since i was playing rogue in world of warcraft for 2 years but my main was for 12 years warlock. i wish there is something similar with necro or close to it. i would be happy

[quick crater]

Open beta is the one next week, so druid and necro are good to go then

[ocean plank]

oh nice rurun thanks mate

[quick crater]

From the bnet newspost itself, although the 15 gamesites also mention it, reading it officially is better 🙂

[ocean plank]

ye i always read from official sites, dont care what others say

[quick crater]

Fyi, druid class mechanic (spirit bonds) won’t be available probably, that mechanic gets unlocked in a stronghold outside the Fractured Peaks (beta area)

But we also missing the 3rd rogue class mechanic seeing that unlocks at 30, mild shame druid gets nothing but c’est la vie

[karmic nimbus]

Barbs expertise mission is in zone you cant go

[ocean plank]

ye thats it 👍

[quick crater]

Ah, same issue as druid then

[long grotto]

Do they not know this LOL?

[quick crater]

Barb at least gets the mastery % increases while he’s using that specific weapon
The expertise only applies that one % increase to every other weapon, pretty good but not game breaking

[copper pawn]

hmm so it's possible to get item +2 skill

[paper moss]

Yes, I've gotten hydra up to 11/5 so far with +2 and +1 gear

[karmic nimbus]

someone got +3

[eager ridge]

Wait dead island 2 comes next month? Ope im immediately preordering whatever is the highest edition when i get home

Dead island is pog

[copper pawn]

that's madness, each hit of your hydra deals how much damage?

[ocean plank]

yep epic games store says about 21 april, and i check from official resourses same thing. i am a big fan of dying light 1 and 2 and dead island. but i think i ll have to choose between dead island 2 and diablo 4 to buy. the other one will be laters whatever i choose 😄

[paper moss]

Around 800 plus another 400 in burn over time

[copper pawn]

lawd that's crazy
why no +skill to basic, I'm very sad

[tawny sand]

if anyone likes grand strategy, i've been checking out distant worlds 2. a lot better than it was at launch, pretty cool game

[tame dome]

Oh yeah, been having my eye on 2 for awhile while they've been hammering out bugs; such a cool 4x game (played a bit of 1).

[keen beacon]

Wtf lmao dead island 2 next month?

Re4r, tlou, d4, now this

F

[ocean plank]

i thought it moved on november or something , but wrong game 😄

[loud pawn]

hi guyus, how did you felt with D4 vs LE?

[rustic meteor]

I don't care tbh 😀

[karmic nimbus]

different games, not really comparable

[solar stone]

Hard to compare but D4 def has more diverse content. Combat feels more weighty in D4. Build diversity feels similar between the two although D4 has more emphasis on items rather than skill stackinh

[loud pawn]

yea i will wait for D4 since i already bought it and wait until i get bored of it 😄

[solar stone]

LE will likely be something people came back to every few years when the dev team finishes something new. D4 is gonna be a gaas game so should have new content very quickly and will likely be people's main game

[rustic meteor]

From what i could see d4 has some poor skill trees

They have lot of work to do

[copper pawn]

no need to compare actually, because people will hardly play a single game for months, imagine playing d4 season for 1-2 months, then back to LE for 1-2 months, in between is other games

[copper pawn]

actually I think I finally understand their skill tree design, basically legendary effects will handle the job of d3 skill runes, and skill passives are things that affect everything about that skill, as well as synergy with other skills

[loud pawn]

depends on how much time you have to play in general, if you dont have much time you can play one season until the end

[copper pawn]

thus I don't expect them to redesign skill tree at all, this system is definitely a unique d4 thing, independent of both d2 and d3

[amber tree]

I believe this is the idea yeah, combined with Uniques

the leggies seem to be far more mehcanical in nature and less numerical

vs d3

[copper pawn]

frankly speaking, I also understand as well why you can only wear 1 unique at a time, 5 affixes + unique affix, sounds familiar?

it's the same thing man, other gear slots you can only wear 1 legendary effect at the same time

if you happen to wear 2, the one with worse value is disabled

[amber tree]

which makes barb's arsenal sstem create alot of depth forthem

the weps they switch to can have different leggies

so you can have one skill use a leggy and anoyther skill use another leggy

[copper pawn]

right now barb has the most broken build in beta, didn't expect that really
eager to try necro and druid next week

[amber tree]

I hope druid has an option to turn off the auto-untransform

so you dont revert to human after 4 secs

[copper pawn]

I will see how they handle druid summon skills

compared to necro

[loud pawn]

which one was it?

[amber tree]

yeah im really looking forwards to trying druid next week

[copper pawn]

the thorn rend build, I think you can search on youtube for it

the asian guy talks about it

do you guys know which key to show the min max range of stats on gears?

and also how do streamers know how much weapon damage each skill has? how to show the numbers?

[amber tree]

likely hold alt/control

[copper pawn]

tried them all, doesn't work

[solar stone]

D4 is gonna be huge. The amount of content just in that first act is insane

[copper pawn]

And the current map is only like 25% of the zone, and there are 5 zone in totals, so basically we only saw 5% of it

[amber tree]

looking at the full map, they seem pretty big, and dense

i dont think that will dissapoint at all

[modest scaffold]

nah that was all of Fractured Peaks we saw. so 1 zone.

d4 was awesome BOIs, 100% moving to it in June.

great QoL features, crisp engine/gameplay

[copper pawn]

Well if you care to zoom out the map further, you'll understand what I say

Act 2 is inside Fractured Peaks as well

[modest scaffold]

I zoomed out, those were the other regions. Dry Steppes etc.

Act 2 might be inside Fractured, but Fractured is still 1 zone.

or region rather

[copper pawn]

You may want to look back at d4 sanctuary map dev released a few years ago

Some zones are in other continents

[modest scaffold]

why would I do that? Game world map clearly showed 5 regions and we explored 1 region lol.

that might not be true for this iteration of game though

other continents might not exist

[copper pawn]

I don't want to argue about the obvious here 🙃
Act 1 is just 1/4, aka top right quarter of the whole Fractured Peaks

[modest scaffold]

Those other main storyline quests? They were not in Fractured Peaks. Idk how you can argue against this. Devs even said beta is "The first zone, Fractured Peaks, is yours to navigate as you please".

"And the current map is only like 25% of the zone, and there are 5 zone in totals, so basically we only saw 5% of it"

This statement is just incorrect, kek.

[copper pawn]

Whatever man, if it makes you happy

[tawny sand]

it's worth checking out now i'd say, on sale too

[ancient python]

https://www.google.com/finance/quote/ATVI:NASDAQ?sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjs-tyWp-39AhUERaQEHft_D7oQ3ecFegQIGRAY&window=MAX
some key numbers :
d2 2000
wow 2004
sc2: 2010
d3 2012
hs 2014
overwatch 2016

you may not like blizzard but your opnion are very little to do with blizzard being a successful company or not.

[maiden widget]

now remove king numbers 🙂

[timid geyser]

and CoD numbers

[cunning sonnet]

there's a reason why this image has existed for nearly 20 years

[vagrant topaz]

Why does he look like Gabe Newell?

[bronze pier]

it takes a lot of time to get away from bliz.
I've needed 17yrs to finally slap my face and say FO to delete wow and finally playing other games as well

[eager ridge]

https://youtu.be/x6ZpYUP-8OM

[opal flower]

Forspoken already on sale lol, but why would I buy it if the studio already shut down

[eager ridge]

They shut it down, but moved the big boys of the team into the main studio and are still working on the game

Sorta like Anthem, which is still being worked on by a small chunk of the original team. (Anthem is actually still alive and kicking, somehow, it still easily gets 100-200 concurrent players at all times)

[opal flower]

Might consider it then, I played the demo and it was okay. Player reviews tend to complain about dumb things to me so...

[eager ridge]

Forspokens early story is uhhhhh.... Yeaaaaa........ Thats where most of the complaints come from. The gameplay however, good stuff

I largely just skipped the early story, got an idea of what was going on, skipped the rest

The gameplay is really good though

Like with hogwarts legacy releasing after forspoken, i knew forspoken would sour hogwarts legacy for me. and it did

Hyper mobile spell caster with tons of spells, and you can have methodical and strategic combat, vs hogwarts legacy's slow ass was rough

Forspoken is pretty long though, its not absurd to get bored of it half way through, but till you reach that point the gameplay was 100% worth it

[opal flower]

I said when Hogwarts came out that if you aren't an HP fan then Forespoken is better

People are weird

I don't care about the story, just gameplay

[vague osprey]

Luminous studio is not really a studio but just a team (division 12) in the midst of se. And the end of the team is only planned for may. They are still working on the game and there is a dlc planned.
Anyway, it was released as a complete game, not a gaas, so the team behind it being there or not shouldn't have much impact.
Anyway, the reviews are quitz accurate and the game is really not that great: the story reminded me of some 90s tv movies, the open world is not interesting - fully static, uninspired content and bland rewards - there are really few sidequest and somehow they managed to give them a really short window to pick and do them (for no reason). Fight and parkour shine through in comparison with the remaining of the game but are not that great. Only the directstorage is really good.
I wouldn't recommand forspoken until a -50% sale (ie 40e)

[quick crater]

I can’t play any aiming games on ps with controller personally, tried Forspoken demo and all those darn birds were such a major pain
Same reason I couldn’t play Horizon on ps, but absolutely loved it on pc (sure hoping Forbidden West also comes to pc someday…)

[tame dome]

https://steamdb.info/app/2016590/history/ Oof. Dark and Darker was taken off of Steam.

[stone arch]

uh oh

[teal flame]

Nexon is the wooooooorst

[hexed slate]

Well I play the D4 open beta and it is visually beautiful. However, as I was getting into the game all of a sudden other players started showing up on my map and I was like wtf?! In D3 that only happened when you agreed/accepted to team up. As a solo player this was BIG negative for me. I also can't help but think this was a big contributor to the lag and rubberbanding I was experiencing. Overall I'm glad I tried before I bought it, I won't be getting this one.

[copper pawn]

nah, the lag and rubberbanding is because there are around 10mil players online at the same time

as for other people appearing on your screen, well, it's an info since d4 was announced in 2019, nobody was surprised with that

[hexed slate]

Oh I haven't been following the news on it. I play D3 very casually from time to time so I wasn't expecting it but had I not tried the open beta that would have been a BIG ooof for me had I just bought it so at least now I know and won't make that mistake haha

[copper pawn]

I know it's a deal breaker for some people, so I guess you have to find another game to play

for me, my deal breaker is no one is to appear in my endgame content aka dungeon farming, out there in open world I even say hi to them

[hexed slate]

I can still enjoy D3 and I have no doubt the game will be wildly successful 🙂 I'm sure once the game is released and more people reach the end game you'll have lots of people to play and chat with for sure.

[copper pawn]

it's like dungeon is my house but open world is public space, so I feel very natural seeing other people around town and out of town entrance

and I'm an introvert btw

[hexed slate]

I would have just liked for it to be optional but like you said apparently everyone knew it was going to be like this and were cool with it. It just caught me off guard haha

[copper pawn]

yeah, I was also surprised you didn't know about it

[amber tree]

You can go veteran mode and see less people bc Noone wants to play veteran mode

I'm of a similar feeling, but with dungeons entirely soloable and the sheer lack of people in my world outside of towns is more than acceptable

[eager ridge]

Thats the 2nd of the 2 difficulties right?

[amber tree]

Yeah

[eager ridge]

I picked that one just to level faster and i still see tons of people, thought that one was a no brainer

[amber tree]

Oh, I remember I also turned off crossplay to get less people

[eager ridge]

But if i think i see tons, then does that mean theres like 10x the tons in the easier one?

Oh thats a good idea

[copper pawn]

how come? I thought veteran mode is the more populated one

[amber tree]

Idk, they phase players, it's not like an mmo where you see all players

[eager ridge]

I kinda like seeing people but also not at the same time

Just depends on situation

[amber tree]

Because it's slower

Especially for classes that aren't sorc, necro, or thorn barb

[eager ridge]

I like seeing people when running places, but not when i actually wanna do content

[amber tree]

I've actually struggled on some of these veteran mode dungeon bossed

[copper pawn]

depending on whether it's a public content or private content

[amber tree]

One of them, I was just unable to kill and had to come back later

[copper pawn]

necro booba is definitely too small 😭

[amber tree]

Couldn't even get to the first globe notch on that boss

[eager ridge]

Think the only boss i died on in a dungeon was a werewolf, but i was also really fucking around during that fight lol

Think it was Light's Watch it was called?

[amber tree]

Yeah thats the one

I went there at level 9 and that boss ripped me apart

[eager ridge]

Yea died once to the little un's stunnin me

Because i kept fucking around lol

[amber tree]

I was also melee though, so had to get hit to hit her

[eager ridge]

I kept trying to save up and spend resource for flashiness

Yea melee as well, barb

So far Iron Skin has just been carrying me in every fight lol

[amber tree]

I died 3 times and barely touched her health

[eager ridge]

I purposely let myself get low then just pop iron skin and its gg

[amber tree]

Came back later at 18 to 20 and was able to kill her, but involved alot of using my minions to distract her while I killed the adds to gain hp

Blood howl cdr on kill

25% hp on cast

[eager ridge]

Yea i think i dunked on her around 12

Barb op lol

[amber tree]

I think I'm missing alot of power from the druid class mechanic

Both defensively and offe sively

[copper pawn]

anyone playing druid? how's the experience?

[amber tree]

Playing werewolf

Shred feels great, sustain gets good after getting blood howl, I've no point of reference for damage but I clear normal mobs with a shred easily enough, one or two hits with level one shred

Larger mobs take awhile though, damage is a bit bursty til 18 due to how much shred costs

[amber tree]

But you have the sustain after 10-12 to just push through

Not unlike d2 werewolf

[copper pawn]

there are a few metrics you can check at level 25 with somewhat decent gears: dungeon boss kill time, butcher soloability, level 35 boss soloability

[amber tree]

As long as you keep up your hp and armor on gear, you're pretty damn hard to kill

Not 25 yet

[copper pawn]

dungeon boss below 10s is considered quite good, below 5s is asking for nerf

[amber tree]

Definitely taking longer than that

Far longer

While still leveling at least

[copper pawn]

I mean at level 25 with gears, while leveling is another story

[amber tree]

Takes me a couple minutes for some of these, though I only have one point in shred and 3 in claw

All my points went to sustain

Only now catching up

Chose several mobility and sustain options in talents instead of damage

Dash on shred feels great

[copper pawn]

I heard from people that the current ranking for beta is necro>=sorc>rogue>druid>barb

[amber tree]

For damage, sure

I do like long boss fights when bosses have mechanics
Having to do them well or not survive long enough to kill the boss pushes me to play better, gear better

[copper pawn]

this 2h scythe looks so badass

[solar stone]

The graphics are so dope in d4

Puts the rest of the genre to shame

[desert jasper]

Tbh never really cared for graphics in my arpgs
sure, they're nice and all

[amber tree]

they only matter to a point for me

if i can tell what they are, what they're about, and what they are doing, im good

even if it's a static picture and spell fx going on around it

[copper pawn]

man, I love my self build summon necro so much, sorc hydra can go suck ass

5 skelly mages, each shoot 900 damage per hit, and I have like 80% increased minion attack speed

[junior oyster]

Diablo 3 wizard looks waaay better

In HotS

[copper pawn]

lol I just realize I can have 7 instead of 5 mages

finally meet butcher in this weekend, too easy

[hidden bluff]

Den Mother is the hardest boss I've seen so far. None of the others can even kill one skeleton nevermind ALL of them. She wasn't much fun on the sorc either.

[eager ridge]

yea after i stopped fucking around she was a breeze

i have a new one thats actually kicking my ass righ tnow

[amber tree]

Den mother kicked my ass, was not able to kill her

[copper pawn]

world boss anyone?

noice

result of 1 run

[junior oyster]

I think I'll make it my goal to ignore world bosses/raids

[lavish gyro]

diablo 4 is fun and all but holy shit this game is memory leak central or sumthin

[copper pawn]

that issue has to be fixed, diablo is supposed to have the least problem when running out of all arpg on the market because they make their own game engine

[amber tree]

I've not had memory issues, weird

Same 4g memory used for 8 hours of play

[rustic meteor]

Is there even corpse explosion???

[karmic nimbus]

yes

and its op

[copper pawn]

blood mist corpse explosion graphic card goes brrr

[copper pawn]

holy shit, druid is so freaking strong even early game, just play earth druid, 1 single lego needed, and you're 1 shotting boss

[karmic nimbus]

I like dot ce, not op but still very good

With blight and that other dot skill

[rough iron]

Do we even know how D4 endgame works? We know there is like a 4 types of activity you can do, but if 3 of them are not "worth" running because rewards are not same as in the best one, thats gonna be pretty big bummer.

[copper pawn]

world boss and dungeon are definitely worth it, the rest I don't know

[finite dock]

RE4 remake seems fun, hopefully it goes on sales soon

Starfield is another game I’m hoping to play this September

[desert jasper]

I wouldn't expect a sale on RE4 remake until like at least 6 months from now tbh

[eager ridge]

People are modding it so hard lmao

The amount of silly shit ive seen

[gusty aurora]

[teal flame]

Ahh... cracktorio

[karmic nimbus]

for a moment i thought its jagged alliance 2

[finite dock]

Yea like those mods in RE2 remake

[wicked plinth]

What is RE2/RE4?

[viral galleon]

Resident evil

[wicked plinth]

Ah. Right. Thx.

[solar stone]

Can confirm it's pretty amazing

Capcom has been hitting on all cylinders with the resident evil remakes

[tawny sand]

eh, 3 was good but not as good as the others in the 7 and after era

really short compared to 2 remake

great for speedrunning though which i know a lot of re folks do

question though is when is the code veronica remake

[solar stone]

Maybe never. Would have that it would hav come earlier if they cared to do it. I'm guessing they will stick to mainline

Hopefully they completely redo 6

[modest scaffold]

D4 BOIs

[modest scaffold]

you dudes think I should play the resident evil series? Don't wanna pay though so prob not.

[copper pawn]

too expensive 😅 I don't usually pay much for games with no replayability

[modest scaffold]

ya was thinking same

[eager ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/the-curse-of-the-black-pearl-pirates-of-the-caribbean-captain-jack-sparrow-johnny-depp-potc-gif-18860639

[modest scaffold]

true that. Didn't even think

on it

dling the 2015 HD remaster now KEK

[solar stone]

RE4 remake is dope

[tawny sand]

they go on sale a lot, I'd start with 7 or 2 Remake

1 Remake is also very good, but it's old school resident evil

though there's an option to not have tank controls

0 kind of sucks

the swap mechanic and no item boxes are poopy, you just drop items on the ground

[gusty aurora]

I could make it better.

Making a smelt bus.

For meme reasons

[modest scaffold]

having a hard time finding 1, will try 0. I wanted to do it for story purposes, but I guess not needed?

[eager ridge]

https://youtu.be/CRwi1bqXzTc
If anyone likes turn based games, this is one of my all time favorites, its on PC, all consoles, and mobile.

[tawny sand]

The stories are connected but it's not that big of a deal. 0 happens at the same time as 1

and 2 is like 3 days after 1 or something i forget

[modest scaffold]

Bought RE 0 for 4 bucks through gamekey, will see how it is.

[modest scaffold]

holy crap RE 0 is so dated, so much loading when opening/closing doors lol.

[eager ridge]

Should see if theres any mods on the nexus that fix it up at all

[prisma wing]

https://youtu.be/x9qN5O-nizU

🤣

[hearty crater]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2263010/Pineapple_on_pizza/

Steam

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worth at least 5 minutes going in blind

[tawny sand]

man i'm so hyped for street fighter 6

[obtuse rock]

so. new world seasons update dropped

forums full of posts like these

ppl lost their equipped gear

i remember when AGS started delaying the release because of critical issues. ppl started whining wtf no info wtf delays again wtf wtf. and now bob's your uncle.

[teal flame]

lol

[karmic nimbus]

reddit won

[stone arch]

lmao, that ui looks so bad

[tame dome]

Ouch. Rough. Also, what game is that?

[teal flame]

New World

[tame dome]

Ah ok, makes sense.

[sturdy gyro]

https://youtu.be/oto47tNLJsU

In case anyone is waiting for D4

[teal flame]

I worry because a bunch of the "character customization" features they mentioned were features that we already saw in the open beta. Like, if those are endgame systems that were pushed into that so we could experience them, the leveling is going to feel very bland.

[viral galleon]

i looked at the character builder for diablo 4

whats the actual point in having the skill tree?

[teal flame]

Illusion of choice, mostly.

[clever hollow]

the endgame build will revolve around paragon board, i guess

[viral galleon]

yeah the paragon board seemed like the only actual customization

[amber tree]

you're still choosing what skills to use and how to distribute poitns across them

[viral galleon]

of course you can choose what skills to use, that isn't something inherent to a skill tree

do you gain anything from ranking up skills other than just a slight numbers alteration?

[amber tree]

no, same as any other game with skill levels

[viral galleon]

ok then whats the point in having skill levels and not just doing what diablo 3 did

[amber tree]

what diablo 3 did was boring

[viral galleon]

the skill trees in diablo 4 are extremely shallow and pointless

the paragon system actually looks like an interesting thing, but i find it ironic that it appears that you have less choice in diablo 4 than you did in 3 when it comes to skills

[amber tree]

there was 0 choice in diablo 3, you use what skills that are dictated by the set of the season

and those skilsl never got any stronger

once you get them ,that's it

that's all they are

[viral galleon]

oh sorry i forgot that when a new season dropped they would disable all your skills except for the ones the set benefited

[amber tree]

they essentialyl did

the amount of power given by a set makes pretty much every other skill useless

and then peopel complained about that, and they gave more leggies and the LoD effect

but even then you have no choices over gear or skills, past the first option, just like sets

[viral galleon]

thats a problem with the sets, not the skills system

[amber tree]

no, the problem with the skills system i had was that the skills never got any stronger, they were just % based

I like the d2 style skill tree bc it makes me choose what ot put poitns into

and things i dont put points into will be weaker

[viral galleon]

yeah because the d2 tree actually scaled based off points in the tree

[amber tree]

and the talents are quite interesting and impactful, its a good set of choices whether to get a talent or skill up something

the amount given per rank seems small, but while i was playing werewolf, every level into shred f.ex was noticable in combat

going from 1 to 5 was a rather large increase of damage

[viral galleon]

oh yeah 60% of my weapon to 84% of my weapon

[eager ridge]

sounds like Grim Dawn, but GD is actually good

[viral galleon]

gds spells actually had damage that scaled off of rank, not off of your weapons damage

[amber tree]

that's nearly a 50% increase

[viral galleon]

its 40%

[amber tree]

yes, aka nearly 50%

that's still substantial

[viral galleon]

my argument is why even have the damage scale if you're not going to think about it and just max one skill

[tame dome]

Speaking of werewolf, I find it kind of hilarious that we've gone from the half starved, scraggly wolf in D2 to the swole oversized wolf in D4.

[amber tree]

for your main skill, probably not but overall, there is not enough points to max and talent all skills, and also take general talents

since you stop getting them at 50

esp if they add more talents, which i think they should

[viral galleon]

its modern day blizzard, they took this skill tree from the initial reveal and boiled it down to what you have currently

[amber tree]

the current has more nodes

[viral galleon]

MORE NODES DUDE

more choices doesn't mean better

[amber tree]

in a game about making choices?

sus

[viral galleon]

do you like watching tv?

[amber tree]

no

[viral galleon]

hmm

[amber tree]

i do not like sitting down and jsut watching tv

i find it incredibly boring

[viral galleon]

ok, what if they tripled the amount of nodes on the tree

would that be better? theres more nodes theres more choices

[amber tree]

depends what they are

if they are impactful liek the current ones, yes

[viral galleon]

subjective

[amber tree]

also, only if they dont give us more poitns for the icnrease of nodes

otherwise there is no choice

[viral galleon]

the system as it currently stands gives you almost no choice anyway

[eager ridge]

isnt that the point though?

Diablo is simple

its not complex

this isnt poe

you get a little bit more free choice

but thats it

i dunno what there is to argue about, D2 was good

everything since then is shit

if you want complex and more choice, there are other arpg's on the market

not every arpg has to be complex

i love complex, but simple is fine too, just look at minecraft dungeons

actually i take that back, minecraft dungeons is more complex than D4, and that games for kids

[amber tree]

yeah, though i do like more complex things myself, i udnerstand that they want to hit a middle ground

I do hope it goes slightly more in the direction of choice and/or complexity

whether its from more depth added to skills/talents, or from something further into the game that we have not seen

but for a low level experience, all i know is that i really enjoyed my werewolf char on veteran

[teal flame]

I think the problem is that they aren't hitting a middle ground, they're hitting a low ground. PoE is obviously high customization, LE is mid, and D4 is the bottom. If I'm playing a Werebear build, my real choices comes down to one of two customizations for each werebear skill. That's not really very much complexity.

Also, they're trying to make the game to be as widely playable as possible for the biggest audience. That means it's not going to be very satisfying for hardcore ARPG fans

[eager ridge]

And then you play a LE werebear and holy shit

[teal flame]

Yeah, there are like 4 distinct werebear builds that build mostly differently, even more if you look at similar ones that build different elements.

[junior oyster]

Honestly I was kind of hoping for the skill system to be identical to D2 or even GD (with how some skills get nodes that can change what a skill does).

Instead we get little to no synergy with skill levelling nor being able to actually put quite a lot of points into a particular skill. 5 points (and then relying on +skills) doesn't feel very appealing to me.

[teal flame]

Yeah, it's tough. I'm tempted to play it but I worry that it's going to be like the beta but worse because leveling will be slower or legendaries/rares will be significantly less common.

Since we know legendaries will be less common, that's going to really impact the leveling experience. I'm just worried that we'll be in full magic gear until level 30 when we start to see rares and that's going to feel like absolute crap.

[amber tree]

they didnt mention rares being any different for the beta

but without leggies, personally, the 1-25 experience is still fine

though, im willing to bet some will be deterministically available from dungeons for one aquisition

first clear bonus

[junior oyster]

I don't mind legs being rare. That's how I feel D3 should have been. I just hope the rares are really good as we progress.

[junior oyster]

That and quest items

[fervent hazel]

Quickly throwing in a recommendation of two games here:
Boneraiser Minions

and on April 12th, X4 Foundations will get a huge update, will offer a complete edition with all DLCs and be the currently best space sandbox game out there. :3

So, a few words on Wolcen. It's a really odd game with a very rocky development and history.
For many, many years, it didn't provide backers with the game that was promised, always had a lot of bugs and broken features, no worthwhile endgame and for several years a god damn cliffhanger in the middle of the campaign. Which, honestly, made me quite mad.

BUT: In all fairness, whoever bought it and runs development these days... somebody still seems to believe in the game. Because it could have been abandoned all those years, but they recently added a fourth chapter of the campaign and some real endgame mechanics.

The problem with Wolcen is, it's a really grey zone thing. Graphics and sound, story are top notch. But bugs, bad balancing, slow development, overhyped updates with little content...

I think if you can let go of grudges against a videogame and its past, with a few more bugfixes, it finally turns out to be a decent ARPG and is worth checking out again.

And after all, the more decent ARPGs we have, the better. It might not be THE best game out there, and probably not worth grinding hundrets of hours. But honestly? These days, you may at least get a few dozen fun hours out of it. Which, in my opinion, is fine. The idea that games have to be playable for hundrets of hours is nonsense. You just need to get enough hours of entertainment out of it that the price can be considered fair.

[sand flax]

Wolcen has a lot of problems, but I find it enjoyable so far (lvl 65, have not beaten the looping boss)

[eager ridge]

Best space sandbox in what way? Cause theres a lot of fantastic space sandboxes

[eager ridge]

And yes wolcen is decent now, they havent exactly "No Man's Sky'd" it, but they've done a decent job with it

[autumn wedge]

Problem being barb and druid are damn near unplayable without legendaries… no problem in blue gear on a sorc or a necro but good luck doing any damage on druid without legendaries

[amber tree]

Nonleggy damage was fine

It just wasn't zoomy

[junior oyster]

I don't care about barb/assasin/druid but yea I get your point

[teal flame]

I mainly played Barb and Druid during the beta and both were fine.

There were a couple legendaries that I got that boosted them from fine to busted, but even without them I wasn't having any problems

The main tuning I feel like is needed is the fact that barb/druid don't regenerate their resource, while the other classes do

So generation is kind of lame for them compared to the other classes.

But even that goes away once you get a little bit into the skill tree and you gain some other forms of generation

[autumn wedge]

Barb was fine without just slower, couldnt get druid to work at all before I had 3-4 legendary powers to boost the damage

Got all classes to 25 during beta

[teal flame]

I think the druid skills suffer balance wise. The only one that felt good to me as far as builders went was the werebear one. The summons felt like garbage

[fervent hazel]

Well, it's just the most complete and varied one, and the most "alive" one with a lot of interesting alien species each with their own ships and stations, strengths and cons, wares to trade with. The whole thing is simulated on your rig and very dynamic. You can influence the entire economy and wage war on pretty much any faction, fly any kind of ship yourself, build and manage your own stations, etc.

[stone arch]

hrmmm, i dont know, i may be wrong but i think they want to make early or overall front system very shallow for wide audience but deepen it with variety of systems like paragon glyphs, later added runes and sets, aspects, who knows maybe even charms, maybe something down in endgame to change drastically how some skills play. Though I may be wrong and things will be just simple for sake of wide audience and there is nothing wrong with that imho,

[junior oyster]

The new No mans sky update looks pretty cool.

[eternal sky]

man ngl

that d4 endgame vid

was soo fucking soulless

like could they atleast pretend to act like humans and not just PR andy

when they showed a node and its just 5% damage per slowed nearby up to 25%

truly innovative game design

[teal flame]

"You can build into strength if you want" for what, .1% increased damage per strength? How much is it giving me 100 per point?

Seeing the gear drops in the early game that are like +5 strength, and then realizing that's .5% increased damage on your... 15 damage, so... +.075 bonus damage? Fuck that and fuck you.

[eternal sky]

like they did soo many fucking things wrong in that video its insane

just showing us

5 str

5 in

5 dex

instant failure of a vid

and the fucking legendary node they show 5% damage up to 25%??

you literally had to do what GGG does and build hype instead blizzard keeps reminding you that yea d4 is going to be literal dogshit

every step of the way

[junior oyster]

I mean I guess they are appealing to the casual audience moreso than d2 and poe vets?
I have yet to watch the video but regardless I'll be trying out d4 once it comes out assuming we don't get error 37 😂

[teal flame]

Even casual players like interesting choices. You don't have to have PoE complexity to give players choices that matter.

After playing the beta and seeing how little stats matter, it's unfortunately likely the paragon board is going to just big a big illusion of choice that doesn't matter.

Maybe they'll be able to course correct and make it meaningful but from what they showed in their "Endgame is awesome" video... it doesn't look like that.