💬┃general

[stoic seal]

i'm still at 100 corruption. i haven't found the first shade

[simple bison]

Reign of dragons

Etc

They're called timelines

[stoic seal]

but what do you mean get corruption on my timeline? i don't understand the distinction you are making. these are all timelines aren't they?

[simple bison]

Yes whichever timeline you're trying to find the shade in. After you get to 125 and kill the harbinger just stay in the same timeline and keep raising the corruption to 320 or so

Each timelines corruption is individual

Once you find a shade it'll only raise that timelines corruption

[stoic seal]

yeah. i have been on one timeline. my stability has been maxed for a while. i just haven't found a shade.

still don't know what you meant by reach 320 corruption on "my" timeline

[simple bison]

Yes I got that. I'm saying in the future. Once you've gotten your shade and raised your corruption you shouldn't move on to the next timeline

You should keep raising the corruption on that timeline until it reaches 320

[stoic seal]

oh you mean stay on one timeline. ok gotcha now.

[simple bison]

Yes

There's a catch up mechanic. So if you have one timeline at 320 corruption, and do a shade on another timeline that's at 100 corruption it'll instantly go up to 300 corruption

Instead of only gaining like 20 or whatever each time

You want to go to 320 because the last harbinger requires 300 corruption

(the catch up mechanic doesn't quite get you all the way to your highest corruption)

[stoic seal]

ok thx

do you know if LP on purchased primordial items (from vendor) is just RNG? or is there some other method to get/change LP on an item?

like do i have to just keep buying new versions of an item over and over to RNG the LP on it?

[steel mesa]

You can add LP with the nemesis but it's rng

You either add LP or it adds random affixes

[stoic seal]

so i probably want to buy a 2nd one. if it's not what i want use the extra one to keep rolling for LP with nemesis?

or is there some other method?

[ocean idol]

How do I forget this every time... instant regret again for going through soulfire bastion cuz I wanted to hit the dummies in the arena lobby
+3 un-hideable main quests on screen

[stoic seal]

is the amount of "gaze" you have the number on the right side of the corruption bar?

[south moat]

Yes, the one with the purple eye like thing next to it

[lost garden]

can someone tell me what rune of research does to an item? I am new to the game and couldnt understand what an experimental affix means in the description

[south moat]

Those are legacy items that you can't get anymore

But if the item has experimental affix (only drops from exiled mages) it seals the experimental affix like that glyph does to normal affixes

sealing an affix means the affix goes to special slot so the item gets a free slot you can craft on

[lost garden]

ah I see. thank you so much! I am trying to learn all runes and glyphs

[lost garden]

just works like the glyph

[south moat]

Yeah
It also has that you can get some glyph from doing it but not sure if that part even works, never saw it
But you probably don't need to worry about the rune of research too much since you can't get those anymore.

[lost garden]

btw is there a way to reroll implicits of unique items? I know in the turtle echo we can reroll uniques that has potentials

but can we reroll implicits alone?

[short vessel]

Gauntlet of strife rerolls all modifiers on the item including the implicits

Need to sac the same unique of equivalent degree of lp or so tho

[lost garden]

should I reroll before a slam or after? is it limited to uniques only? or legendary also?

[short vessel]

It rerolls legendary affixes yeah so most of the time before slam

[lost garden]

does it change both implicates and modifiers ?

[short vessel]

Yes

[lost garden]

can we buy the echo from the merchant(the guy with mask)

[short vessel]

Yeah

Might need some degree of rank to unlock it tho

[lost garden]

tysm. I will try this after gathering more of the gears at least 2lp for 2lp eh?

[short vessel]

Not sure what rank

Correct, tho it can be stuff with 2 legendary affixes on it

Like stuff that got them in nemesis

[lost garden]

so any items are fine too?

doesnt have to sacrifice the same item?

i will check this out tmrw

[rare kettle]

how does weaver tree's "Warlod's Riches" work with uniques? simply increases champion's chance to drop that unique?

[short vessel]

No no has to be the same item

[short vessel]

About to leave work so don't really have time to give a rundown but tldr: it's crap don't take it

[visual frigate]

Can you reforge a set 1 hander as a 2 hander?

Assume no

[south moat]

No. can't

[lost garden]

oh wait.. can I sacrifice a legendary of the same item? a legendary with at least two affixes

[short vessel]

Yeah thay's what i mean

[lost garden]

I see! but I am wondering if we can sacrifice a legendary for a legendary(newly crafted)

"Here you can sacrifice one copy of a unique item to reroll the properties of another copy of the same unique item."

it says unique item.. so I guess we can't reroll a legendary item

[hard basalt]

you can

both uniques and legendaries can be rerolled/used as fodder

[short vessel]

You can but it's not really worth doing cos it's much easier to reroll the unique before the slam

Unless it's like a ww item

[lost garden]

oh nice!

[lost garden]

ah yeah thats true.. because we dont wana reroll the affixes again (which is rerolled before slam)

[short vessel]

It has nothing to do with uniques. Basically you take a regular affix item and plug it in there and when it procs it drops a bunch of items of that item type each with a sealed affix that was on the item of random tiers up to the tier of that affix on the item

The problem is the dropped items have no inherent boost to rarity, 90+% of them are just gonna get filtered out by your item filter

I farmed that node for months last season to try for some sealed experimental minion tele boots and the best i got was some with a t6 on them

[rare kettle]

Thx

Can you Rune of Havoc an item with a sealed affix? (I knwo it wont change the sealed affix tier, but can you even havoc the item)

[short vessel]

yes

you can

so long as it has 4 regular affixes

[south marsh]

And forge potential I think

[short vessel]

well yeah

[last egret]

you dont need FP for slam

at least

[short vessel]

correct

[south marsh]

For slam you need to pray

[errant sundial]

I tried this out and I like it.
i lose 140% crit multi which is huge.
but i gained crit cap without needing the 8% in the flame reave tree.

instead I ditched sunwreath and got "sunwreath at home" nodes. equipped oceareon.

overall, my damage went down maybe 10%. but gain a lot of survivability (not losing 75% phys res means I can get the Armor blessing) and 10% move speed.

I think I'm gonna try replace the oceareon with a second red ring with this setup.

your suggestions are carrying me this season

[hollow ether]

@strange umbra thanks for the recommendation on the disc server. good chatting with you in game!

[strange umbra]

back at ya

[severe socket]

Hey.

[last egret]

Is lightless arbor skip still bugged?

I remember in s3 it was, and its still not fixed

Whats the point of marking it as 'skip' if its not working

[undone wave]

What's bugged about it? I used lightless arbor skip just fine

[last egret]

im locked in corrupted lake after boss, cant tp to imperial era

it tries to load the zone but fail

[hard basalt]

I know it worked for me this time

[south marsh]

Muffin is gatekeeping again smh

On a serious note have you tried restarting the game?

[last egret]

Yes

[south marsh]

This is weird ngl

I know it worked for me after my most recent death

[last egret]

Maybe its just refuses to work on hcsaf

idk

[south marsh]

Nope I play only hcsaf

[willow sentinel]

How are you stuck?

I havent used it this season, but to exit the corrupted lake I remember having to complete the map and the boss and having to walk back to the beginning of the map because the exit portal wasn't working

[south marsh]

Maybe he's not going back to the beginning

[last egret]

i forgot that there is portal at the beginning ngl, but its still weird cuz they should work the same essentially

[south marsh]

Yeah I get it

They gotta fix it

Or maybe set a portal setting like in the monoliths

[undone wave]

Next season™

[south marsh]

Is this similar to the "I'll start doing something tomorrow"

[undone wave]

Just seems like they're already done with updates for this season. Last fix was 5 days ago, no updates to known issues list since, still a massive cavalcade of bugs that need to be acknowledged and fixed.

[south marsh]

Time will tell it's in their interest to keep the communication going

[last egret]

They need to do things like GGG with the 'Live' updates thread so people at least know what they working on

[south marsh]

I like the way coffestain studios do dev QA streams weekly

Where devs answer game related questions live

(beside talking about progress)

[last egret]

We kinda have this with Mike already, maybe instead of only Mike we should also have more people related to other roles that will stream and answer different questions

[south marsh]

The best way I can think of a solution is setting a QA section where the most asked questions will be answered on the next stream or announcement

Whether it be questions from the forum or here from discord

[severe socket]

I'm pretty sure some specific questions will be ignored or forgotten. 🙂

[south marsh]

Yeah I'll never know the polish Derrick uses for his light reflector

Smh

[steel mesa]

yeah this would be cool, there are times mike simply can't answer a question because it's not something he knows or is involved with directly

[spark coyote]

Should I do empowered echoes at lvl 70 ?

[hard basalt]

if you can clear them comfortably

[steel mesa]

yeah if you can without dying constantly

better loot, more xp, etc etc

[south marsh]

Yeah if you are playing HC make sure to send a clip of the most exciting part

[spark coyote]

Guess I will do the normal ones for now.. just need 15 more levels to use my World Splitter and other stuff xd

[last egret]

You can use void beacon or whatever its called early

[spark coyote]

Cant send pics here otherwise I would show you my skills and stats xd

I havent even crafted any of my items yet, just using whatever dropped

Waiting for lvl 85 to use the warpath items lying in my locker lol

[steel mesa]

main issue with jumping to empowered early is getting one shot by crits so having crit avoidance + a source of leech is needed

[undone wave]

and stay away from the rift beast's mouth

[spark coyote]

[steel mesa]

and avoid omens until you're overgeared xd

[spark coyote]

Aye 😮

[spark coyote]

Should I go also for bonus stability ?

[steel mesa]

I do it if the reward is good, otherwise I skip

the changes they did to bonus stability are pretty insane if you get idols or uniques as a reward at the end for example

[spark coyote]

🙀

I have the Titan's Heart torso but the guide says to use Sentinel's Heart Torso

[hard basalt]

you're cooked

cuz sentinels are heartless

[ancient surge]

Moreso than acolytes? Shokcing.

[severe socket]

Well, I mean, sentinel is lore-wise directly connected to the void, so...

[ancient surge]

But uh... what builds that are not Sentinel actually use titan heart?

[undone wave]

Spellblade

[steel mesa]

Flame Reave

That DR and health is a must for a mage mastery that has terrible ward generation

[ancient surge]

Fair enough. Still, titan heart is generic, not class specific. You can make generic items class specific by slamming a class-specific affix on them, so mind that.

[spark coyote]

Need warpath on it but I guess I need the shard for it 😄

[hard basalt]

I think any 2H build that doesn't need a specific chest/runs on health regen kinda defaults to it

[ancient surge]

Preferably a T7 warpath affix on a chest that you can slam onto it then.

[steel mesa]

yeah titan heart is really just that strong

[ivory musk]

Glad its working, happy to be of assistance

[languid rover]

Sanguis , or whatever it's called, is also good generic option

[ancient surge]

I know, I was just curious so to what other melee builds actually use it, since I don't think I've played spellblade to any good effect yet. Heck, only "melee" build I played was ES and now I'm currently using melee for stacks for storm crow, but I'm so close and yet so far to that completely uninvolved bee build, where the only worthwile thing I'd do is cast thorn shield :p

[spark coyote]

Merophage vs Deft Glaive of Glory ? for a Warpth Void Knight

[ancient surge]

And by the by, we have class-specific channels, where I think you can also post screenshots. I think #🔱┃sentinel is what you're after here.

[ivory musk]

That one kinda got power crept by the primordial low life chest

[spark coyote]

I see, thank you so much 😄

[ancient surge]

Exsanguinus. And yes, but still worthwhile if you need some other primordial.

[steel mesa]

the low life chest is simply stupid

[undone wave]

exsanguin is really only good for bloody nib now

[hard basalt]

exsan imho is much less universal since it's strictly for ward builds

[undone wave]

Or if you want to do a bleed AoD build I guess

[hard basalt]

and even that only for low life builds

[ancient surge]

At present it's pretty much only lich that even can get the most out of low-life play style. And they go ham with it.

[ivory musk]

Not really true, low life is crazy on blade dancer too

[ancient surge]

Yes, but rogue :p

[undone wave]

The "always on low life" node in lich tree still bugged btw

[steel mesa]

bladedancer as well, though shadow rend is dominating that mastery atm

[ivory musk]

That brink of death node they have is insanely good

[hard basalt]

thankfully, apparently not on offline!

[steel mesa]

yeah it's a crazy powerful node

[ivory musk]

Yeah, but its not like its their only good build

[steel mesa]

yeah ik, I prefer playing the normal version of shadow cascade and low life is insane there

[ivory musk]

Bladestorm might have gotten overshadowed by it (pun intended), but its still an excellent build in its own right

[steel mesa]

the dancing strike changes have made that build fun to play imo

[ivory musk]

I also played lethal mirage 2 seasons back and its legit not that bad. Maybe i should revisit it

[willow sentinel]

Primalist gets some nice perks for going low life

[errant sundial]

the dream actually is to craft the perfect fractured prison ring and use that

[steel mesa]

personally I don't find shadow rend fun to play while mapping :x so I'd rather play the other builds

[hard basalt]

speaking of lethal mirage, did BBC ever get really used outside javarot

[errant sundial]

it has to beat red ring LP1

😂

[ivory musk]

Oh god, good luck...

[steel mesa]

uhhhh I think BBC is used for some memey uber kills

that's about it tho

[sweet moss]

hey so im spamming uberoth

and i js wanan say mod people that hes spawning in from the sides like 25% of the time

idk how to like report bugs but like theres a bug okay bye now

[south moat]

F8 in game

[ancient surge]

I double-checked, just to be sure. So, bladedancer has an 8-point node that amounts to 24% generic damage reduction and 80% crit multi if invested. Lich gets a node for 20% damage over time reduction for 5 points. And I think way more points invested for the same value.

[hard basalt]

it pushing out affixes past 6 is so 💀

[ancient surge]

That was only by looking at the right side of the tree, though.

[sweet moss]

yay

[ancient surge]

feels a little imbalanced, but I'm not going to jump to conclusions here.

[steel mesa]

the game in general is a unbalanced mess so that sounds about right

[hard basalt]

lich does get access to reaper form

[severe socket]

Wonder if they want it to be balanced.

[ivory musk]

Maybe lich gets their rework/buff next league?

[severe socket]

The fact that falconer exists makes me second-guess things.

[steel mesa]

falconer has gotten how many nerfs and is still insane when many skills are still worthless

so I doubt they care

[ancient surge]

Lich got their rework last season, by the way :p

[hard basalt]

dance with death also get triple effect at low life

[steel mesa]

it took spellblade this long to finally get a second good build after all

[ivory musk]

I wouldnt even call flame aura good...

Or do you mean shatter strike?

[undone wave]

He's talking about flame reave

Shatter strike was always the buiild for spellblade

[severe socket]

Speaking of. I was wondering about something...

[ivory musk]

Yeah i mean the first good build

[ancient surge]

Shaman in the corner, mumbling to himself "one day it'll be me. one day".

[severe socket]

What's the actual difference between rive and reave?

Like, wording-wise.

[ivory musk]

The second one being flame reave is clear

[steel mesa]

yeah shatter strike

[undone wave]

Shaman had reflect, but that's not usable anymore

[steel mesa]

although I never liked shatter strike

[ivory musk]

Shatter strike at least looks funny

[steel mesa]

needing to constantly hold down mana strike was such gross gameplay

[hard basalt]

apparently, reave is to raid and plunder

rive is to cut/tear apart

[undone wave]

In school, I learned to reave and rive

[ancient surge]

Ended up throwing some screenies of the gear I'm preparing for the bees into #👑┃item-showcase . I mention this here, because you know... these things happen when you put in the effort and grind for days :p And get lucky with a 2LP off of nemmy.

[last egret]

tbf its kind of weird that low life node even exist as an option for bladedancer at such a high value, it really should give bonus based on either endurance/dodge/shadows etc

[steel mesa]

shaman has a totem build ig

[undone wave]

shaman totems seem pretty solid

[steel mesa]

there's also tornado for speed farming on shaman

[ancient surge]

On that note, several more generic rune prohpecies to grind ad-nauseum until I can even get together the 5 sealed set exalts I had planned.

[undone wave]

Better on druid

[steel mesa]

oh absolutely

tornado druid was my go to build for a while before the changes this season

it's probably still great with the attunement conversion but flame reave buffs pulled me away

[undone wave]

Can't wait for flame reave to get nerfed in S5, while falconer gets a pat on the head

[steel mesa]

can't wait for shadow rend to still be beyond broken

[severe socket]

Broken how?

[ivory musk]

Broken as in bugged and laggy 😄

[digital fog]

Cant wait to see FG and Shaman getting no love in S5 also im glad paladin gets new skill.. because he needs it? Like at this point i just think they just dont care Shaman and FG at all and some of the classes are clearly their favorite ”kids”

Glad Shadow Rend is on rogue, it might have chance to be fixed in terms of clunky/bug wise.

[severe socket]

Reminds me of that meme picture of kids in the pool.

WIth marksman being just a pile of bones on the bottom.

Ironic, the only class/mastery designed to use a bow, and one of the worst ones across the cast kit-design-wise.

[ivory musk]

I actually love that, cause i'm a bow hater in games, and they're so goddamn good in poe...

At least in LE i dont feel pressured to play with them

[severe socket]

You're never pressured into anything, imo.

Marksman is literally a bow mastery. The only one in the game.

And yet...

[undone wave]

And yet its still 4th and 40th on the leaderboard

Still insane compared to most builds in the game

[severe socket]

The amount of effort to achieve the same results others do without breaking a sweat and with a huge leeway to boot.

[steel mesa]

the gear on that heartseeker is crazy

[undone wave]

Yeah, welcome to every class outside of Rogue lol

[severe socket]

Even within the same base class, marksman is vastly inferior to falconer in pretty much every aspect from design to functions.

With bladedancer somewhere in between.

[steel mesa]

marksman is bad outside of heartseeker, they need a lot of changes to the passive tree and also buffs across the board to their skills

[undone wave]

All three subclasses for Rogue outclass every build in the game, the fact that falconer does it better is irrelevant at that point

I don't think class disparity has ever been this bad before in the history of this game

That all three subclasses are better than everything else

When new players come in here and say "What's the best build" the correct answer is Rogue. Which one? Doesn't matter, pick one

[ivory musk]

Not really true, sentinel also has a lot of good stuff

Both vk and paladin

[south marsh]

The proper way to think is "Which is the best class for me" tho

[steel mesa]

basically 70% of the ladder is rogue and sentinel

ridiculous

[south marsh]

Just going for the highest rated or highest dmg class is not the smartest decision since there's also the vibe of the class itself

people often forget what games are meant to be

[undone wave]

People who just want a guide to tell them how to play the game don't really care about "vibes", they just want the best so they don't have to think

[ivory musk]

Not every game allows that mindset though. If you play a game with an economy you're kinda pressured to play the strong stuff. LE just allows the vibes cause its perfectly fine as ssf

[south marsh]

That's only half correct since even the most dedicated min/maxing nerd will feel drained playing a class they don't enjoy

[severe socket]

If you play a game with an economy you're kinda pressured to play the strong stuff.
I smell a jab at PoE here.

[steel mesa]

I care about having fun but I also care about progressing in endgame. a build needs to have both in a arpg imo. hence why I'm playing flame reave instead of minmaxing my time on shadow rend.

[ivory musk]

Not a jab, i still love poe. But yeah, the meta matters a whole lot more there than it does in LE

[undone wave]

It's really not though, top 50 corruption leaderboard, there's only one sentinel. There's actually more primalist than sentinel in the top 50 right now

[south marsh]

probably because the sentinels died and ppl quit

[undone wave]

43 out of 50 players in top 50 are rogue

[south marsh]

Who cares I made a marksman to pew pew heartseeker

[severe socket]

One of the reasons why I ditched the franchise back in Bestiary.

234h was my limit.

Hiya Vlad.

[south marsh]

the preemptive hello is rutheless

[willow sentinel]

No fun, just burn through the content as fast as possible, then say "I was following a guide for the most broken build in the game, and the content lasted only 2 days.... Not enough content"

[slate raft]

noob q - Does Farsight Turtle give better/higher LP chances at higher corruption?

[willow sentinel]

I don't think so

[south marsh]

mindlessly following a guide is not my idea of fun personally but to each their own

[modern lance]

Catch yer pitchforks..

But looking at top tier corruption build guides, it contains atleast 1 of each class - for me that shows LE got a pretty all around balance between classes.
Masteries is another talk ofcourse :)

[slate raft]

thx!

[ivory musk]

13k hours on poe and counting, not planning on quitting either. Still an excellent game. In my mind poe and le arent really competitors. They just fill different niches of enjoyment for my gaming needs

[willow sentinel]

Actually, I am not sure at all. Please ignore my previous answer

@simple bison will know for sure

[severe socket]

How so? 🙂

[ancient surge]

Strategic ping there.

[steel mesa]

yes each class has at least 1 broken build which is... fine if that's what you care about? But I care about more skills being viable at the top end and ehg really doesn't make enough changes to skills imo

[willow sentinel]

No, you must choose one and dog pile on the other. This is the way

[modern lance]

afaik - turtle just acts as if the item dropped.

So if the chance is 1:100000 for LP, technically you “just” do turtle 100000 times :D

[south marsh]

The lad was yet to write his message smh how could you do that to him

[ancient surge]

Except not exactly. turtle does not give back the same LP.

Could be it goes 0 if it rolls same or lower.

[slate raft]

turtle is the new rampant coast ^_^

[steel mesa]

agreed, LE is honestly my chill arpg since CoF is so comfy. I adore PoE for the amount of content and complexity it has but it's a different experience where you also need to "compete" with the economy.

[south marsh]

you could even just skip the broken part and set it as "each spec has at least one viable skill build"

[short vessel]

I mean, i don't think that's true these days

[ancient surge]

That is probably the best and most sane take I've heard about this in ages...

[short vessel]

I tried poe1 again with mirage

[steel mesa]

I still think it's true

[short vessel]

And doing harvest + breach is an extremely chill process that let me gear up as well as purely gain currency by trading currency

And once i got past the point where breach was getting me particularly useful gear for me personally i switched over to beyond + harvest and just sold currency

[severe socket]

I'm used to thinking that whatever the incoming message is, it's usually aimed at someone else, so sending a greeting in advance is more of a courtesy move. 🤷‍♂️

[south marsh]

I both love and hate poe
Love the game progression and flexibility
Hate the crafting and rigidity of the early game

[severe socket]

What do I know though.

[steel mesa]

crafting is insane in poe though

[south marsh]

I was just joking

[steel mesa]

unless you mean you hate how complex some of the high end crafting is

[south marsh]

Insane is a very accurate word since it's both amazing and awful depending on how you look at it

[short vessel]

The inventory/stash management + crafting in poe1 grates on me

And the game just plays at a faster tempo than i like

[steel mesa]

faster tempo is why I like it more than LE tbh

[undone wave]

100% agree with both those statements CookBook

[short vessel]

Oh most people do but i'm a cooldown management guy and the game just doesn't really cater to it

[undone wave]

Boggles my mind that people just casually accept the predatory stash tabs in PoE just because its "f2p"

[short vessel]

So much

[steel mesa]

well yeah it doesn't

you might like poe2 then?

[short vessel]

Yeah trying that next

[south marsh]

I bought a basic stash set for less what I paid for LE if you want me to be perfectly honest... I didn't get into trading so I just needed tabs for my own stuff and discarded stuff that I didn't need

[steel mesa]

as far as cooldowns go... I try to automate everything except movement skills in LE lmao, that's the only cooldown I can bother with

[last egret]

predatory is a stretch tho, its like 30$ on sale to get all necessary tabs

[short vessel]

But i also think due to the lack of content poe2 is less likely to cater to how little i want to work market stuff...

Just cos less crafting and farming options

[steel mesa]

yeah poe2 content sucks atm

[ivory musk]

Poe2 has a lot of cool feeling builds though, that dont really exist in other arpgs

And the content is getting there

[last egret]

i was thinking in the past that LE has great early/mid game crafting, and i really got proven wrong. Yes, it is 'accessible' and simple, but it's very RNG heavy until you get 40+ fg items with at least 2 useful mods on it to start doing anything. I think PoE1 early/mid game crafting is superior and LE wins in endgame without you spending 50 locks on single item

[steel mesa]

LE crafting has gotten annoying with more complex gearing (like set affixes) and no buff to FP so it can be frustrating getting a really good craft if your build needs something like that

[last egret]

especially gearing for entwined ring

when you need to seal set affixes

[steel mesa]

yeah exactly, entwined ring builds are awful to gear for.

I was working on shadow rend for a bit and eventually decided I didn't feel like doing entwined ring 2 seasons in a row

[undone wave]

entwined feels bad when you just use set pieces for the sake of the bonus, even if the set itself is doing absolutely nothing for your build

[south marsh]

I wonder if there was a system to transfer FP to another item of the same type/base for example sacrificing one ring to donate the FP to another

[steel mesa]

yeaaaa the bonus is just too powerful not to put set pieces anywhere you can

[south marsh]

maybe idk

[short vessel]

personally i don't think they should ever add anything that adds FP to an item

doing so will immediately make LE crafting into PoE crafting

get your base

infinite craft till perfect

[willow sentinel]

Still get a chance to get screwed by removal

[steel mesa]

I'm fine with that

[short vessel]

and there's already enough "once offs"

keep LE crafting as LE crafting

if you want a long term refine process then use imprint refining

[willow sentinel]

Best moment when you start crafting with a removal and it snipe the t7

[steel mesa]

also you can't infinitely craft if you lose the exalted affix

[short vessel]

sure

but at the same time

imprints kinda serve this purpose

[steel mesa]

lol

after the nerf? idk about that

[short vessel]

...less so with the multi-exalt imprint nerfs yeah

i think they should serve that purpose

[steel mesa]

imprints are still great for printing high LP uniques but as for exalted items... bleh

I gave up

[short vessel]

i'm just using mine to get stuff to havoc into good selling exalts

...tho ngl, i'm struggling to stay motivated with MG

decided to try it the first time this season

and eeeeeh

tho i'm not sure i'd do any better on CoF with the imprint nerfs

[steel mesa]

LE feels better as "SSF" but the imprint nerfs also make CoF feel awful

so idk

[short vessel]

i'm very much a marathon not a sprint kinda player and the long term farming just isn't interesting with imprints nerfed

[steel mesa]

they overnerfed it too much

[round copper]

I did not get an update yet.

[old rover]

hey, I can manage to down uber aberroth to 80% hp quite easily, but then the ward burst procs, and it takes me at least a minute of sustained DPS to break it, is it normal or do I lack dps ?

[ancient surge]

It is normal and you lack dps potential.

[old rover]

so, both 🤣

[ancient surge]

Imho, dps potential and overall gear status is a replacement for skill levels. If you actually learn the fight and its mechanics you can effectively lower your own gear power level requirements for doing that fight. To a certain extent.

I find that if I can at least get into the 4th phase, my build has the potential to beat the whole fight. (and this holds for me, since I effectively know the fight by now)

[last egret]

if the inetntion is killing the boss multiple times rather than killing it just for challenge one time, you should just overgear

[willow sentinel]

To see if you got "enough" dmg, when he is doing the big charge attack you have to reach the 1st ward shield and at least get to 50-80% of that shield

[old rover]

Yeah I mostly die because I run into a slam or the ground degen that one shots, so mostly a git gud issue but damn it's rough

the first one??

[willow sentinel]

Less than that the fight will be pretty long and it kinda becomes harder the longer it gets

[ancient surge]

Yeah, the initial wind up period where you basically have a free damage window.

[old rover]

I make him go at 80% after about 30s so clearly I don't have the damage yet

[ancient surge]

Hmm.. safe to say that no.

[old rover]

And that's with the +50% more damage boots

[ancient surge]

Keep up the good grind 🙂

[willow sentinel]

That seems a bit short dmg wise yes

[undone wave]

Yeah someone said if you don't get him to 80%hp/60%shield before he finishes his first charge up, then you probably don't have enough dps to finish the fight

[willow sentinel]

I mean you can, but you need to dodge everything

For a loooooong time

[undone wave]

hard to dodge everything when a desynced slam can hit you from 20 feet away

[old rover]

that's ruff, may someone take a quick look for obvious ways to increase my dps pls ? https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BxvqeryZ maybe not the channel for it tho ?

[slow cloud]

Lich, Level 94

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.2

Class:

Acolyte (24) / Lich (82)

General:

▸ Health: 2,547, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 248.48, Regen: 15.12/s
▸ Ward Retention: 122%, Regen: 50/s
▸ Attributes: 43 Str / 46 Dex / 61 Int / 36 Att / 98 Vit
▸ Resistances: 77% / 54% / 60% / 63% / 58% / 75% / 73%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 61%, Threshold: 1,054
▸ Dodge Chance: 7% (184)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 65% (5,088)

Used skills:

Harvest / Flay / Reaper Form / Aura Of Decay / Death Seal

[undone wave]

If you want a real answer, switch to mana flay, you're already halfway there

[old rover]

thanks i'll look if i can steal ideas then ^^

[brave oasis]

server is currently down?

[toxic schooner]

id reccomend being around 1k mana for mana flay tho, so if you dont have the gear to slam to hit that, then wait until you do

[simple orchid]

How do I get a Rune Prison Complex? I've defeated many Exiles and still haven't gotten one.

[willow sentinel]

Kill more
There aren't other ways
You need to be at least in a lvl 90 mono

It's a 2%drop chance iirc

Also, make sure Woven echoes aren't hidden in your lootfilter

[south moat]

Is it 2%?
Feels like way lower tbh

[simple orchid]

Wow 2%😵‍💫

[simple orchid]

Ty for info bro

[willow sentinel]

1% up to 2%

[south moat]

Killed hundreds last season and didn't find one

[fierce cedar]

Does Binas Alt lvling build with reflect and such at 35 still work?

[severe socket]

Sorry. Sense of humor isn't exactly my strongest suit. 😅

[brave oasis]

how did I not realise the giant worms we see in the Draal hive are the same worm species you fight in the Ruined era

[carmine path]

the only thing that ever kills me is congealed sludge, lol

[simple orchid]

Could the Exiled But Not Forgotten point on the Woven Tree help me?

[hard basalt]

anything that gives you more exiled to kill will

[wet heron]

I find the last epoch music notalgic

[willow sentinel]

@glass pendant Dude, falcon did it again

Keeps oneshotting Uber

[glass pendant]

To be fair that's potato

So he could probably do it with just about anything

😭

[willow sentinel]

You use to os it with recall ub a seasons ago no?

[fierce cedar]

no

wasnt it divebomb stacking

But yeah umbral blades goes brrr

bladedancer does the same thing

[willow sentinel]

I know I saw some recall ub before this season

[fierce cedar]

Probably

The skill gets silly when you stack it up

[willow sentinel]

Meanwhile in Primalist you get a wave as strong as a bucket of water every 85 mana spend

[glass pendant]

Both

Recalls oneshotted as well

[wet heron]

I don't get it, is there no dlss or fsr from amd? ... don't see it

[willow sentinel]

I don't think there is

[glass pendant]

Something they wanna do in the future

[wintry bridge]

Hey folks, do all corruptions have the same weight? Or are there common/rare ones? Trying to gauge how unlucky I am with getting the frenzy corruptions on relics haha.

[glass pendant]

Mike said it on stream last season

Or was it a maybe. I don't remember

It was not a "no" though

[willow sentinel]

https://lastepoch.tunklab.com/corrupt

Tldr, they have different weight

[fierce cedar]

Ah yeah, I guess that makes sense. Stuff with uncapped scaling goes nutty

[glass pendant]

There's a big difference between then and now. It was a gimmicky oneshot build that did nothing else

This time it also has clear

[fierce cedar]

That said, the gear needed on the old divebomb to basically sub 1min Uberoth was like blues. To get into that lvl now it takes way more time

[glass pendant]

Which probably makes it the best last epoch build to date lmao

[last egret]

DLSS is the only option we can expect, both FSR and whatever Intel tech pulled the plug cuz Unity

[wintry bridge]

Chef’s Kiss You are the best.

[glass pendant]

Mike mentioned both if my memory doesn't fail me

But again, it's been a while

[fierce cedar]

Yeah the shadowrend build is solid. Super tanky with dodge/silver shrouds, high recovery, good clear and for bosses you can oneshot with some setup

[wet heron]

damn it would help my frames out a lot at 4k

[last egret]

most likely mentioned before Unity cash grab fiasco

[wet heron]

bruh

[glass pendant]

To my knowledge we have never seen a oneshot build with clear in the entire history of the game. Every nuke has been single target

[wet heron]

when did this game come out lol. Just surprised theres no dlss yet

[glass pendant]

Makes this falconer unethical beyond belief

[wet heron]

until now?

[glass pendant]

Yes

[fierce cedar]

Divebomb had crazy clear as well with a little respec on the skills

[simple bison]

No

[glass pendant]

Big delay on the bombs, and not the best clear by a country mile

This one is on another level

[wet heron]

what changed now? there a video?

[glass pendant]

Potato's vid in videos

[wet heron]

videoes? like youtbe?

[last egret]

like my space

[fierce cedar]

It had offscreen capability and you just kept moving. Problem was ofc backtracking for loot

[wet heron]

https://youtu.be/QMKUJWvTch0?si=I1-QGVNWuHx5IETt ohh this

how new is this tech

[glass pendant]

I see your point but from a technical pov that establishes it as inefficient in my eyes. Especially when after the nerf umbrals were king. I have a 14 second Uber kill in season 2 (the fastest I've seen recorded within the season), which screen cleared with 0 effort at 2k corruption, 1tapping everything

Divebombs while strong, didn't reach those heights of burst

On the other hand they did reach crazy top end damage in the DoT variant

Juse had a very high corruption shade video where he exploded the shade back in the day

But that was also very impractical for clear

This is imo what makes current recalls on a new level of broken

[fierce cedar]

Yeah, if Divebomb was S tier. This is S+ definitely

Both shadowrend and the falconeer umbral thingy is just plain busted right now

[wet heron]

does shadow rend have good speed or?...

[last egret]

They gonna nerf rogue damage by 100% and its still gonna be dominant

[last egret]

ye it has good clear, on top of having 10k+ ward

[wet heron]

wardyyy

I thought ward got gutted a while back

[fierce cedar]

10k ward and like 70% dodge+silver shrouds

[last egret]

ye 10k if you only use body armor T7

if you also use rare helm with T7 it will be closer to 20k

and ofc depends on melee as

[wet heron]

there a new build for this umbral recall or? only been seeing shadow rend and what not

[glass pendant]

Some people believe falconer might be near unnnerfable. It's always in the top 5 builds, and even when it's not the best build in the game, the performance difference between it and the current broken think doesn't even make that much difference

Last season flask was all the rage, and yet we reached 1 min Uber kills with umbrals

The "nerfed" build

[last egret]

i mean this is what we get when devs allow ahk macro

[wet heron]

so shadow rend is a new skill right?

[glass pendant]

That's a myth, it was never mandatory. You can just hold down buttons in this game

Last epoch has skill queueing

[last egret]

you can but its cancer gameplay, almost no one plays like that

[wet heron]

I don't think that numlock thing or whatever works for controller so I had to use rewasd lol

[undone wave]

You can program that on controller in steam's controller settings

[glass pendant]

Idk guys I never had any issue holding 3 buttons down lol

Cleared 5k echoes in s3 before I stopped

That's how I played

[wet heron]

weird I had to hold down 5 lol

[last egret]

you do you, if i ever play this build ill try to not hurt my mechanical kb

[hard basalt]

I'll try not to hurt my organical hand

[undone wave]

If that had any effect on your mechanical keyboard, your W key would have died years ago

[glass pendant]

I've been grinding hollow knight for the past couple months, my hands are long gone

[last egret]

believe me, changed switches multiple times on many keys

[undone wave]

I've owned like 3 mechanical keyboards in my lifetime, never had to change switches on any of them lol

They're built to last for decades

As long as you don't buy the cheap shit like razer or logitech

[last egret]

all of mine are custom made, the switches are not necessarily broke, they just became not tactile enough

like Cherry MX

which is absolute trash

[south marsh]

I was using a redragon board before I had a stable job

And it was low-key better than my current logicrap one

[last egret]

logitech uses Romer-G and they are basically F tier

[south marsh]

Meh it's usable I'm not buying a new one until this one dies

[wet heron]

for a sec I thought I had my quicksilver flask ):

[distant brook]

So what are your thoughts about new season? About to jump in

[south marsh]

Depends on what you are looking for
I love it personally

[steel mesa]

I've had fun but omen rewards are pretty meh for how difficult the content is. Corrupting items is a big W though.

[glass pendant]

eyyy R wassup

[steel mesa]

just doing some farming on my spellblade before I sleep hbu

[south marsh]

I think that the omen overall is not that difficult there's only a severe ramp up of said difficulty for no real reason

[glass pendant]

based. I'm on a break still, knowing me I'll hop in on a whim eventually

Metroidvanias have consumed me

[south marsh]

You could do 7 without taking a point of dmg and then get OS without a sign

[steel mesa]

that was me last season tbh, I didn't play it until like 3 months after it launched

[languid rover]

wait before bro gets oneshot by random concealed sludge poison bone spike

[distant brook]

Help me pick build for season, something fluent and chill

[languid rover]

doing 40k dmg to me for no real reason

[south marsh]

Read what I wrote

[steel mesa]

I mean I'm playing spellblade so getting oneshot is the norm but omens are def overtuned lol

[languid rover]

lets not talk about the fact if the whirlwind ball spawns on top of u u are instantly dead with 0 counter play as well

[glass pendant]

had to stop when pushing felt like a compulsion. a wise man knows when to take a change of scenery 😭

I'll be back sooner or later

[south marsh]

Check out the bladestorm rogue it's a new spell and the gameplay is fun

[languid rover]

i agree, for what the omens are supposed to do,

the difficulty is insanely high

even on low corruptions

champion omen?

without using some meta S tier build?

good luck buddy

ubby is a toddler play toy compared to champion omen in difficulty

[south marsh]

Comfy have you been keeping it in for a long time?

[wet heron]

I'm surprised theres no pause in this game yet when in singelplayer lol

[undone wave]

Highly disagree lol

Uber is still the most overtuned bs in the game

[steel mesa]

I mean uber and corruption pushing are the only things to do in the game so... a break is normal xd

[languid rover]

keep what in, the fact they got no clue what balance is and they destroyed the only way to actually get good gear?

😂

[glass pendant]

🥲exactly how it felt for me so I was like, I'll just destroy my fingers in platformers for a while, give time and space for more content

[south marsh]

No no I mean it felt as if you waited for a chance to unleash all your pent up dissatisfaction

[steel mesa]

imprint nerf is the worst thing they could've done and they did it

clueless

[languid rover]

we´ve been raging in the CoF chat for hours now

i just happened to see your msg 😂

[south marsh]

Ah I haven't seen that

[languid rover]

ah man and they were joking about wanting more player retention, while single handedly absolutely destroying about the only thing giving them any player retention there was

[steel mesa]

sadly omens rewards are trash so I'm back to the usual farms.. except now imprints are trash so you hit a ceiling in your gearing much sooner.

[languid rover]

the about only way to get multi T7 exalts now is just nemesis

put down 200 twoers

[steel mesa]

YEP

[languid rover]

towers*

[steel mesa]

nemesis spam only

[languid rover]

pray you get 1 usable item

then go fail julra slam anyway

great use of my limited time

great satisfaction from the proccess

amazing progression

oh and if u hit? good luck getting usefull corrupt!

[steel mesa]

lowkey I'm only playing because flame reave was my skill when I first started in like 0.8 so the buffs made me happy. but everything else about this patch is whatever.

[glass pendant]

That's exactly why I stopped. The time invested vs the potential failure past the ~2lp mark felt unrewarding to me, being someone who isn't satisfied until the very high endgame

[steel mesa]

I'm a huge breach fan so I was hoping omens would be more rewarding :x

[south marsh]

Umm am I the only one who sees the irony of being upset about time waste in a video game?

[languid rover]

games are meant to be played to have fun

[glass pendant]

I don't see you spending time on farmville

[languid rover]

its an entertainment

[glass pendant]

Meaning you understand the pound for pound metric here

[steel mesa]

I don't think this will change unless they overhaul how gearing works

[languid rover]

what this patch achieved -> end game no longer exist
new mechanic gives u nothing
coop play is butchered
favor farming for the already terrible prophecies is butchered
and all that laced with another layer of absolute RNG

[glass pendant]

Idk if this is hopium but I've put my chips on the expansion personally

[steel mesa]

don't get me started on co-op play

I tried to do the champion echo in a 3 player party

christ

[languid rover]

you party play so u have more chances of dropping what u need, u help each other reach your goals

but even that is useless now

[south marsh]

But I'm not the one here who is upset about wasted time?

[glass pendant]

doesn't make your statement anymore good faith does it? Your argument assumes a level field when it's anything but

[languid rover]

the diff between wasting time on LE and other games now is basically that wasting time on LE is now not fun

remove fun from game ´= quit the game

[steel mesa]

I am giving them grace because they claim they're putting a lot of resources into the expansion and console launch. so if they still fail to fix the game after that then I might dip out.

[south marsh]

But fun is a subjective thing since I can certainly say I had fun so far?

[steel mesa]

but things like giga nerfing imprints and making omen rewards bad does not inspire any confidence

[languid rover]

they talked about wanting more player retention while they did everything in their powers to make everyone quit faster

[glass pendant]

sounds sensible. Even the nerf would've been fine if it came with faction reworks imo

To me the biggest issue of the season is how horrible cof is

Relic of the past

[steel mesa]

CoF is so worthless now that imprinting is dead

[glass pendant]

same old spending 3 hours wasting 9999999 favor rerolling set chests

[languid rover]

the only reason i play CoF is wanting to get my items myself

so now what

i no longer can get any items because imprints are basically non existent anymore

why play

[undone wave]

Back in my day we didn't have imprints, we had to farm the items ourselves

old man voice

[languid rover]

the issue is u cant farm anything now

[glass pendant]

Back in your and mine and our day, the hardest thing in the game was the same size as the player character

[thin idol]

Back in the day, end game farming was for blessings!

[languid rover]

what did update did is make 1LP +1T7 slam + corrupt and done, you are done with the game in maybe an hour of farming monolith

[steel mesa]

back in our day you were lucky to get a good slam on a unique because good exalts didn't exist and you weren't guaranteed any of your LP

[languid rover]

i know

i played s1

[steel mesa]

I've played since 0.8

factions were a mistake

[glass pendant]

This

[languid rover]

but even then the game was better than what it is now

[glass pendant]

Played before everything. Before exalts, when monos were "choose between two"

[steel mesa]

lmfao

[glass pendant]

I have the backpiece with Mike's face on it

[steel mesa]

god monoliths were so bad

but at least progression felt good

[languid rover]

maybe the issue with items wouldnt be so bad for the minmaxers that want to make godly gear, if the fact was classes were actually balanced

now i have to farm years of my life away to achieve a fraction of 1 busted build does with 4 items

[glass pendant]

Arpgs will always always always be about chasing god gear

[languid rover]

cough 100k+corr falconers cough

[glass pendant]

That's the game's entire mechanic

There's no deep elaborate story, no exploration, no 3d space platforming, no puzzles, and when they do exist (barely), it's just poe experimenting

[languid rover]

yea, so ask how everyone who wants to make god gear feels rn

[south marsh]

That's a very shortsighted statement since for me arpgs is about testing stuff and having fun with multiple classes every season

[languid rover]

when u removed the only way to achieve such a thing

[glass pendant]

All there is is screen clearing and numbers

[glass pendant]

If you take a step back you'll realize we're saying the same thing

[steel mesa]

gearing caps out at t7 + t5 then slam a corruption and move on

boring

[hard basalt]

it's still gonna be awful past a point tbh

at certain point you can't even really be happy about a high LP drop

since you have to deal with roll range

then with farming the exalt

[steel mesa]

it really doesn't take much time to cap your build's gearing out rn

[south marsh]

You are focusing on min/maxing and squeezing the absolute best out of every character you play but I'm a casual player who doesn't care about the end-game of endless upgrades

[hard basalt]

then with crafting the exalt

[languid rover]

i wanna push corruption as far as i can with a build i love to play, so now if u break my legs and shatter my spine with another layer of RNG, i dont exactly feel like playing the game anymore

[hard basalt]

then with RNGing the slam

[languid rover]

yea, so u can still have ur fun

[undone wave]

Then the imprint nerf doesn't have an effect on you

[languid rover]

why did they punish minmaxers????

[last egret]

ye that was my experience as well, days and days without a single 2x T7 imprint so i decided to just gear for single T7 and 3x T5, but without corruption becuase no balls

[languid rover]

when it doesnt involve casual players at all?

[glass pendant]

Same gameplay loop. Absolutely the same. Meaning you either want your player to drop the game after the 1lp mark, or you strive to make the gearing loop equally fun in the endgame as it is in the early game. Unless you believe the company wants to you stop playing

Again, take a step back, we're saying the same thing

[steel mesa]

"we didn't want people to feel forced to get their gear from a single source so we removed the only source of gearing from the game"

[languid rover]

it already took hundreds of hours of farming even when the drops were possible

now its not possible at all

u either use ur old stash

or ur done with 1LP, maybe 2

[glass pendant]

I'm ok with things taking a long time if there's a constant incremental progress

Slamming kills that sadly, which is why current imprints feel even worse

[steel mesa]

exactly bruh. it's not like imprinting made it EASY to get your giga upgrade. it just made it POSSIBLE.

you still had to farm a lot for it

[languid rover]

yea, casual players, nothing changed for them

end game minmaxxers?

pack it up boys

game is not for us anymore

[glass pendant]

So yes my whole point is, if you're arguing that one should drop the game past the 1lp mark, I call bad faith acting

[south marsh]

Lad please I beg you to understand that I don't care about gear...... I care about my gameplay experience. I find fun in just playing the game without any end goal.....

[primal abyss]

Good day, everyone

[languid rover]

imprints might have been ´´OP´´ but u still had to farm hundreds of hours to get that god item made

[steel mesa]

honestly the biggest issue is they don't buff enough skills for me to actually care about playing multiple skills in a patch. the game feels so stale because of this.

[languid rover]

casual player isnt gonna do that

[languid rover]

yea thats is completely fine, ur just proving our point more

[glass pendant]

Big agree here. Skill power level gaps are so steep

[languid rover]

u can still do what u did before

but us minmaxxers

the game is over

[steel mesa]

usually a patch focuses on one class or something and then everyone else gets told to eat shit

[ripe sun]

Morning Vandryll!

[glass pendant]

I'm ok with outliers but balance could use some serious work

And that comes from a place of personal love for the game

[steel mesa]

serious work is an understatement

[languid rover]

another advantage of imprints was that people could much more freely test random stuff out, and have fun

[steel mesa]

rogue and sentinel is 70% of the ladder

[undone wave]

Vandryll coming into this conversation like

https://tenor.com/view/troy-community-room-fire-pizza-gif-5612111

[glass pendant]

Did flay die completely? I'm not up to date with absolutely everything

How's lich doing

[languid rover]

thats good, EHG needs to see their game is burning to the ground

[steel mesa]

no flay is still strong

[undone wave]

mana flay is still good

[ripe sun]

Flay is fine

[steel mesa]

rogue is just stupid

[primal abyss]

Nah, if folks are having a good constructive convo I'm all about it

[glass pendant]

Got it, just checking

[glass pendant]

Nothing said is in bad faith, never has been, promise

[steel mesa]

well, bladedancer and falconer are stupid

[languid rover]

please tweak the imprints 😭 the game is over after 1LP now, minmaxxers cant do what they want to do cos its not possible

[primal abyss]

Especially, if some of this feedback finds itself in #feedback

[steel mesa]

marksman is carried by heartseeker xd

[last egret]

followed by multishot that is 10 times weaker

[undone wave]

Mana flay got better with this season due to a lot more opportunities to stack mana with corruption and idol altars

[steel mesa]

the things I would do for multishot and detonating arrow buffs

lord

[south marsh]

I'd like flurry to have more associated skills

[glass pendant]

I dream of the day that the deto dagger will be the hot thing

[south marsh]

I liked the channeled one

[steel mesa]

pepperidge farms remembers when detonating arrow bow mage was the hot bow build

[glass pendant]

How hard did flask get butchered?

Deserved btw

[steel mesa]

insanely

not deserved btw

[glass pendant]

Not the flask itself no obv

The interaction though hoooly

[steel mesa]

I mean it deserved a nerf but to be removed from the game essentially?

stupid

[glass pendant]

I dislike it when something goes from 100 to 0 as well

[undone wave]

My poor reflect build

[steel mesa]

why did they add traps to the game if they're just gonna kill it anytime it's involved in a good build

[glass pendant]

Reflect was problematic only clear wise

Single target was nowhere near top

[undone wave]

Even clear wise, still never got as high as Rogue this season

Whenever Shaman has a time to shine, they get knocked to oblivion, but golden boy falconer always stays on top

[steel mesa]

sorc buffs when

[hard basalt]

it can get almost 260 mana just from the idol altar's implicit+corruption alone 😄

[glass pendant]

Falconer showcased something I've been saying for forever. People blamed the uncapped interactions for how busted it is when that was just cherry on top. When they capped out a million things with season 3, all that changed was 10 second kills became 1 minute kills. This is why many people believe falconer is unnerfable

It would require a complete overhaul

[glass pendant]

I remember mike saying in stream in season 2 that he doesn't like when classes stack 1 stat referring to erasing strike lol

[steel mesa]

falconer is still killing uber in 3 seconds.

[steel mesa]

lol he was lying. the game has been going in this direction EVERY season.

[ionic vale]

which class will season 5 be for

like 4 was the rogue patch

3 aco, 2 sent

etc

[steel mesa]

but that's also because it's the easiest way (only way?) to scale a build in this game with how gearing works, just give it insane buffs by stacking attributes or give it infinite penetration by stacking a single resistance

I hope sorc and marksman get buffs next but that will never happen

[glass pendant]

Generally speaking this all comes back down to balance. There are builds that are gasping for some flat damage, getting it from the weirdest sources

Then you have throwing damage slammable on the entire gear

Minus what 2 pieces

[steel mesa]

well it's either they lack damage effectiveness or they lack more multipliers

you can have a ton of flat damage but if the effectiveness of your skill is trash it's gonna be meaningless

[hard basalt]

well

they just encouraged stat stacking even more this season with the corrupted attributes

[willow sentinel]

I have yet to see Shaman shine

[hard basalt]

stacking str?

congrats now you get brutality as icing on top

[glass pendant]

You have reflect be content

😭

[hard basalt]

also mourningfrost is still mourningfrost

[steel mesa]

I would love EHG forever if they buffed Smite's damage effectiveness

[undone wave]

They shined in season 2 with tornado, and they shined in season 3 with reflect. Both of which got omega nerfed

[uneven ridge]

I can not do that

I caaaaan nooot do that

[glass pendant]

Vlad doesn't like werebear nado because it's too strong

[short vessel]

I mean a lot of str stackers don't really want to switcg to brutality cos they lose all the armor they need to survive

[willow sentinel]

I would not call that shine. Shine for me is when you get a few good builds, and not propped up by others masteries skills to be viable

[steel mesa]

boohoo werebear nado is strong, cry me a river while falconer reaches 10k corruption and kills uber in 3 seconds

[willow sentinel]

I am at peace with it, but reflect was the most un fun boring build I have ever seen

[glass pendant]

Completely agree

[willow sentinel]

Walking simulator.... Mob dying without a number showing from the other side of the screen 💤

[steel mesa]

I still don't know how people enjoy things like reflect

But I'm also a minion hater

anything that plays the game for me is trash

[undone wave]

You'll enjoy reflect when you get old and develop wrist pain

[steel mesa]

I have wrist pain and push through it for the love of the game

(this is why I limit myself to 1 button builds)

[hard basalt]

I didn't keep up, did they nerf that druid build that oneshots uber

[glass pendant]

Minions just feel horrible to me. I tried bear last season, watched it draw circles around mobs before locking in. Both stances.

In the same time I'd have cleared the entire map with falc

[steel mesa]

they deleted the mana interaction where you refill when you transform

[willow sentinel]

Serpent Venom? Nuked

[glass pendant]

venom shouldn't have been nuked either because the clear was abysmal

Nerf its single target, give it clear

Problem solved

[willow sentinel]

Not a minion fan myself but I really enjoy companions
Having to fight with them to empower them feels really good

[steel mesa]

I think if minions had better clear speed I might like them more? the cast/attack speed is just too slow and their AI is dumb

[glass pendant]

The ai is some of the worst I've seen

Minus the falcon

[willow sentinel]

I really like crows for exemple

[glass pendant]

The falcon is insanely responsive

[steel mesa]

like people consider storm crows to have good clear speed and I still think that is very slow

[willow sentinel]

Because you can guide we're the attack falls

[steel mesa]

the best minion build I've ever played in terms of how good it felt to play was flame wraith totems

[glass pendant]

I can't pretend to know how the code behind it all works but you can't in good faith tell me you can't take a leaf out of the falcon's book and apply similar responsiveness across the minion skills

[steel mesa]

good times

[onyx flame]

can i somehow add champion affix on item , or they are only drop from champs

[hard basalt]

does falcon count as minion 🤣

[glass pendant]

Frogs did great as well iirc

Not the highest single target ever

[steel mesa]

I would love to see buffs to flame wraiths

[glass pendant]

But still

[willow sentinel]

You know, it's technically a companion

[willow sentinel]

Drop only

[steel mesa]

only champion drop sadly

[glass pendant]

But yeah I don't care if it's a minion or a companion or it has a health bar or not, or if it stays alive or it explodes or if it keeps auto resummoning

The ai should be good is my point

And bear was horrid

[undone wave]

That's also what sucks about zombies, you summon all 6 zombies, one mob shows up on screen, they all go swarm and blow up to kill that one mob

[steel mesa]

tbh I even hate the explode zombies build

altho I think I'm just too poe1 brained for a lot of builds in this game lol

[glass pendant]

How's the mage Pikachu build from last season

Did it get nerfed

[steel mesa]

the what now

[willow sentinel]

Lightning Blast spark Charge?

[glass pendant]

yes

[steel mesa]

kinda

it's still S tier

[willow sentinel]

Technically nerfed, but stronger than ever because corruption and idols

[glass pendant]

Does frozen still play it

I need to watch vids

[steel mesa]

no he said it was too boring becausse of how easy it made the game

[glass pendant]

Never show this man the bird girl 😭

[steel mesa]

fr

[last egret]

frozen with spark charges is like spicysushi with manastacker every season

[glass pendant]

The entire rogue channel with rogue

That's all they play

[steel mesa]

man screw LB spark charges, make frost claw great again

[glass pendant]

Damage was never peak tbf. Just perma freeze cheese

Bad ramp up

Well it was strong for the time

I guess

[last egret]

frost claw was actual peak mage experience for me, screen wide elemental novas and spark charges

[glass pendant]

Oh yeah the visuals were on another level

[last egret]

now its just boring walking sim with clicking LB

[glass pendant]

I played manually thrown bladestorms in the second part of season 1

Such innocent times

[steel mesa]

mage needs some love

[last egret]

also whatever happened to runemaster with random skill combos

that is never used

[steel mesa]

trash

[last egret]

and only been used for ward gen

[glass pendant]

The only RI that is anywhere near relevant is hydra no?

[steel mesa]

you either do hydrahedron or the lightning orbs

[glass pendant]

Oh orbs right

[steel mesa]

everything else sucks

throwback to when we had infinite penetration with RI and the orbs turned you into a walking simulator of death

[glass pendant]

I remember that absurdity

[last egret]

ye runemaster if kind of impossible to balance i fee like, they need to dedicate the whole patch to fix it and even then most likely will not be enough, it was a mistake making it for such big amount of skill combos

[steel mesa]

I miss playing fun mage builds

they nerfed everything :x

[glass pendant]

They shot themselves on the foot with runemaster imo

Balance hell

[willow sentinel]

They need a whole patch to balance everything

[glass pendant]

And it shows because they gave up on 90% invocations lol

[steel mesa]

they didn't even try on most of them

they released undercooked and stayed that way

[last egret]

to balance everything they need like 3+ patches, so like 2+ years at this rate

[willow sentinel]

That's the thing, did they give up?
Because to give up you need to try at some point

[glass pendant]

If they watered them down to 4 nobody would be upset imo

[willow sentinel]

Imagine
1 patch, no content, only balance changes

[steel mesa]

runemaster meta for RI has stayed the same since release

[last egret]

this is one way to divide s4 player count by 2 again

[steel mesa]

honestly they wouldn't make any money for that patch but it would do a lot for the game's future

[glass pendant]

I just don't see a universe where it won't harm them in the long run to focus so much on essentially one skill

Let's pretend it was a fever dream and rework the entire thing

That's my vote

[steel mesa]

I don't see a universe where this game will ever have anything remotely close to balance

[glass pendant]

If we reach a point where the number of top performing builds are doubled I'd be happy

Give me 10-15 top end builds

[steel mesa]

They are fine with skills being trash for years and allow certain things to stay broken forever so I don't have much faith rly

[glass pendant]

When the expansion drops, gathering storm will be a 1tapper trust

The moment you hold the button down the time space continuum will break

[steel mesa]

Imagine self cast spell gathering storm and it's actually good

[glass pendant]

I dream of the day that gathering storm is magical spin to win minus the spinning

[steel mesa]

I'd love a actual lightning storm type of skill without the tornado screen clutter.

[wet heron]

are there orange crits?

[turbid silo]

Good morning to all

[undone wave]

With truesight glass amulet, yes

[south moat]

Good morning Derrick

[primal abyss]

Good morning Derrick

[south moat]

And Van too

[primal abyss]

Ohay Nub

[severe socket]

Hiya Van. Question right off the bat: does Loose Pockets node in Shadow Rend work at all?

I can't seem to be able to trigger it reliably.

[primal abyss]

Have you been able to trigger it at all?

That's the Shuriken one right?

[severe socket]

Yes, that one.

[primal abyss]

You have 2 points in it?

[severe socket]

Yep.

And nope, I can't trigger it neither on my own nor when enemies are within range.

[primal abyss]

and it hasn't proc' at all or just not as much?

hmm

[severe socket]

I know Shift is able to trigger it regardless of shuriken mode or chakram mode.

Not so much here.

No dice at all.

Sent a bug report about it just now.

[ocean vigil]

guys, for loot filters, if an item matches multiple rules, does it use the first one it matches? or the last?

[glass pendant]

Rules above serve as an exception to rules below

So if you wanna hide all purples but see purples with phys pen

You have the hide all purples rule below the pen one

[primal abyss]

Thank you. I just loaded it up and was able to see shurikens when I hit Shadow Rend

Keep an eye on it and did you take any other nodes that change the behavior of Shadow Rend?

[severe socket]

Shadow Rush, Night's Approach, Betrayal of Flesh.

[slender patrol]

how do you generate lot of ward with mage / spellblade?

[severe socket]

Also Chakram mode.

Does it conflict with Chakram specifically?

Or is there something else at play I'm missing?

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/ShadowDweller/character/Razor
For reference.

[primal abyss]

Hmm. It might I need to try it on my other Rogue

[severe socket]

Spellblade generates ward via active melee combat.

[simple bison]

If you're a fast hitting build like shatterstrike most of your ward will likely come from large/huge idols with the x% chance to gain 20 ward on melee hit suffix

[undone wave]

Those idols are terrible, don't use them

[simple bison]

You're tripping x)

[undone wave]

You're sacrificing a potential 240% increase in damage in exchange for a meager 20 ward per hit

[simple bison]

Well it depends on your setup, I use wings of discord

so I'm not

Also you have like 80 million dps without them, there's no need to squeeze in like 15% more damage at the expense of literally majority of your ward vs bosses

[undone wave]

Lol whatever you say man

[willow sentinel]

Cyborg, otp shatterstrike since 0.8
Don't know how to build his skill

[simple bison]

Dps blindness can be real ngl

Closing in on 100 million dps, should I try not getting oneshot by stuff like ubby basic attack so I can hope to kill him by legit doubling my ward or squeeze out a little more damage?

real chads pick damage every time

[turbid silo]

Reminder for folks to submit their entries for their Void Pets in #🎨┃fanart! More details here.

[simple bison]

But like I said it does depend on setup, if you're not using wings it's for sure a harder sell

especially in echoes since you don't really get that many hits in (everything dies in a hit or two)

But with wings it's crazy not to use them imo

[willow sentinel]

I thought you told me you pivoted to the Berserk belt

[simple bison]

Changed my mind, they buffed my damage too much :P

[willow sentinel]

Lol

[simple bison]

I can afford some defense finally

[willow sentinel]

Tried the lightning conversion?

[simple bison]

Yep I'm lightning

you gotta

[willow sentinel]

Or throne + mourningfrost too good?

[simple bison]

it's way stronger

[willow sentinel]

Oh really?

[simple bison]

no more mournigfrost or throne

still almost 100 mil dps

[severe socket]

Keep me posted, please.

[simple bison]

ez

[willow sentinel]

Do you have a planner?

[simple bison]

Trying to steal my secrets smh

one sec

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Baky0bKa

[slow cloud]

Spellblade, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Mage (20) / Spellblade (93)

General:

▸ Health: 1,625, Regen: 30.68/s
▸ Mana: 291.61, Regen: 12.64/s
▸ Ward Retention: 169%, Regen: 60/s
▸ Attributes: 51 Str / 171 Dex / 48 Int / 21 Att / 46 Vit
▸ Resistances: 84% / 69% / 72% / 77% / 77% / 114% / 64%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 325
▸ Dodge Chance: 60% (2551)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 42% (2,383)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 91%

Used skills:

Mana Strike / Flame Ward / Enchant Weapon / Surge / Shatter Strike

[willow sentinel]

Nah, learning from the best

[simple bison]

Stuff like the relic corrupt can be exchanged for the weapon or idol corrupt that gives frenzy on evade

Also there's a hidden armour shred tech that kinda sucks but it works in case you can't fit it anywhere

there's a corrupt on 1x1 idols that converts 100% of slow chance into shred

and then there's a blessing that gives 100% chance to slow on hit lmao

It's giga jank

[hard basalt]

hold on which blessing slot was it

[simple bison]

but because we can't slam shred on exulis you have to either put it on gloves or get it on your scissor

[simple bison]

Age of dragons, which is why it's so jank

[hard basalt]

oh dang

[simple bison]

If it was on a shitty timeline it might be almost meta tbh

100% shred without an affix slot

Also if anyones gonna comment on the double T7's none of them are needed obviously

That exact planner is above 100 mil dps

[willow sentinel]

Chill?

[simple bison]

wdym

[steep river]

I leveled with Shatter Strike this Season and I rather enjoyed playing it. But man, I'd rather have an unspecced Teleport than Surge in campaign and echoes. It's just so fun to zip across huge gaps with Teleport now

[willow sentinel]

Oh wait, it convert to Frostbite

Thought chill convert to Shred in enchant weapon

[simple bison]

Teleport is faster for sure

but surge is a lot safer

I've converted a few people who've played the build over to surge

but i'd say it's personal preference

[simple bison]

yeah nah I wish

if there was an armour shred passive it'd be an instant take

[steep river]

Yeah the extra ward you get from surge is nice. I just kept trying to zip across large gaps with it and being annoyed

[willow sentinel]

So... Why does it deal more dmg than cold?
It looks like the same planner as last season

The more dmg per shock?

[simple bison]

yep

as well as rampancy and brutality being op

Because it costs more than 20 mana

[willow sentinel]

Oo

[undone wave]

What on god's green earth am I looking at

[willow sentinel]

Yeah but you could get that on cold too

[simple bison]

also you say "just", it's a 40% more damage node

[willow sentinel]

Yeah but how much is throne? And mourningfrost?

[simple bison]

Throne is negligible because you need to ramp it for ages

it's only relevant for uber

Mourning is a good chunk of damage for sure, it's just not needed anymore

Like you can just go mourning with the lightning conversion

it doesn't really matter

Majority of our increased damage doesn't care about type

(we have over 1k with attribute scaling and stuff)

[hard basalt]

bane of winter shatterstrike when

[simple bison]

when they make it actually good :d

[hard basalt]

💀

[native fiber]

Has anyone messed around with the new attibutes that roll on currupted things?
I wonder if any of them are good

[simple bison]

Rampancy, brutality and madness are all super good

A layer of defense has been achieved 🥹

with the up to 32% DR from first hit on wings it actually feels really chill even at 1k corruption

Unless you do some crazy omen windows, then it gets a bit hectic lol, still doable for sure though

[rancid pulsar]

I'm a bit traumatized by the triple omen window challenge, though I did think back and realize that I had 65% increased damage from mono modifiers on it so I wasn't doing myself many favors there

[simple bison]

You spec into flame reave for that one fr