💬┃general

[tidal heart]

why do you all think the LE playerbase is so aggressive? D4, POE and TLI all spend money really easily, like I never care about having to swipe in those games, but anytime LE does anything its like a huge deal and they have not even charged extra for anything in the game yet

[calm zodiac]

I'll just say that having paid classes is atleast a great incentive for them to make more classes

So i hope they do so

[gleaming vigil]

I just read the article, I'm sad, what just happened

[acoustic palm]

Well when I bought LE it promised more classes with 1,0. So there's that.

[gleaming vigil]

Paid to win classes

Sad

[calm zodiac]

don't think they ever promised that

[indigo mist]

I don't think that was a promise

[hoary urchin]

if its $10 to play a class just pay the $10?

[acoustic palm]

I checked and acolyte and falconer were these classes

[tidal heart]

yeah idk people really upset about this

[hoary urchin]

why complain are you 13 years old and mommie gives you limited allowance

[acoustic palm]

Which we have now

[tidal heart]

I mean I get people are struggling with money but if a class is like $10-20 idk for me its not a big deal but I get it how people have no money and are broke

[calm zodiac]

I literally live in a 3rd world country where minimum wage is 300$ and i'm not complaining as much as these people lol

[south moat]

You mean warlock, not acolyte

[acoustic palm]

Yeah, sorry. 5 am brain.

[indigo mist]

I wonder how long it will take before people start dropping this topic.

[calm zodiac]

eh 2 days

[river path]

The thing is that if LE had a paid expansion , people would just buy it. It's just that paid DLC triggers people.

[calm zodiac]

No its not lmao soon as the expansion was even announced people were already complaining before we got any word about it being paid or not.

[acoustic palm]

Let's see how many people pay 1.4 first.

play*

[stable forum]

for real

[hoary urchin]

This league was so zzzz I dont think im playing till expansion

[indigo mist]

Did you know that when the rumor of the expansion was coming out one of the rumors was that it was gonna be paid? Saw lots of dumpster fire back then

[calm zodiac]

I think 1.4 releasing in january will do better them 1.3.
Not only 1.3 was the worse season yet by far, it was also released at a terrible time and everyone went to poe2

[crystal crown]

ya, that paid class is over a year from now, if you can't save $20 in 12+ months then something is going on in your life crazy serious

[indigo mist]

I'm definitely one of the I'd pay for an expansion not a character camp but that's just my view on the matter. Lots of people here just want free no other payment except mtx.

[hoary urchin]

the devs still havnt fixed the lv 100 race yet and thats a big part of the leagues imo, cause your name is on LE Tools frontpage for the whole league if your on top 10

[calm zodiac]

thats IF its even 20$ lmao

[acoustic palm]

Well, 1.3 had no new content. Like nothing end game, so aside from making a new character to experience the new build options that was it.

[indigo mist]

To be fair 20$ on a single character is crazy for a 35$ game. My bet is on 10-15

[olive lotus]

Im on vacation for 5day, last epoch s4 already out?

[calm zodiac]

I mean, t8 was great for build variety and shit, but yeah, not enough to hold ppl in, specially with poe2 league releasing the week after lol

[indigo mist]

Early next year.

[calm zodiac]

Only in january cutie

[hoary urchin]

having it be a lottery of who can hit the 1% echo drop on exiled mages first is kinda extremely stupid and unfun. you can be mr speedrun and have the best time to empowered monoliths and get the echo to not drop. and timmy can cruise to empowered and get it to drop in a lv 90 zone, and own you hard in race

[olive lotus]

Alllll issss fineeeee, thanks

[calm zodiac]

I mean realistically, RNG is part of the game race, its just how the genre work

[crystal crown]

true, but if I make fun of people that cant even make $10 in a years time, last time I mentioned poor people in here, people got mad and put me in timeout lol

[acoustic palm]

4 months ago a gentleman said that actions speak louder than words.

[calm zodiac]

I just hope that they put on goddamn FSR/DLSS support in this game already

[lofty oxide]

Its not about the money it's about the principal at this point. This is a paid game. With a cash shop. AND now will have paid content. The game was barely interesting for a few days per season what twice a year? Lol.

[stable forum]

that's why I think timing of their leagues, at least right now until the content is filled out a bunch more, is one of the most important things they need to consider

[indigo mist]

I spend more money on gacha than 10-20$ but i personally hate the idea of paid characters... I've done TL:I... Never again.

[calm zodiac]

Poe2 is...
A paid game.
With cash shop
and you gotta buy stashtabs

its not that different, now, i won't even compare to diablo 4 cause things are kinda out of the line there lol

[lofty oxide]

Not really. Its much closer to diablows

[indigo mist]

Poe2 also gives you the same amount of coins you would've gotten if you had just bought coins straight up. Sorry but I'll always defend this point about poe2.

[lofty oxide]

I supported 1 enough I got my 2 key for free. Is all I will say on the matter. :p

[calm zodiac]

Wich is also not enough to buy all the stashtabs you'll need if you wanna play it seriously.

[acoustic palm]

And again, in Poe / Poe 2, you can use these coins to get all the stash tabs you need

[versed bone]

PoE2 isn’t a paid game. You spend $30 for early access but you get every penny in shop currency.

[calm zodiac]

In last epoch you can get 5 billion stash tabs for free tho.

[lofty oxide]

1 supporter pack on poe and you are good on stash tabs. THAT ALSO come with usually pretty damn good mtx

[calm zodiac]

Show me where i can download poe2 right now for free please

[acoustic palm]

How many stash tabs can you get if you don't buy the game? Zero

[indigo mist]

Ehh i dont know. Personally all i ever needed was the currency stash, essence stash and Map stash which the free coins was enough when the sale dropped

[versed bone]

You can’t because it’s in early access but it’s going to be free to the general public.

[calm zodiac]

I mean, if you don't buy POE2 you can also get 0 stash tabs lol

[acoustic palm]

We compare 30 euro invested in LE vs 30 euro invested in Poe/Poe 2 (MTX and stashes are shared)

[crystal crown]

paying for content that is fun makes sense to me, especially when its over a year away, like how long do people expect the base game to go ? Their entire life? till 80 years old? 60 years old? its over 5years old, and they are finally saying hey buy 1 char

[lofty oxide]

Paid early access =/= paid game

[calm zodiac]

If i can only get a game by paying, it is a paid game lol

[versed bone]

This.

[lofty oxide]

So is poe 1 a paid game?

[indigo mist]

Not wrong lol.

[lofty oxide]

Same model.

[calm zodiac]

No, i can download it for free right now, unlike POE2 where i had to pay in order to do so.

[lofty oxide]

To play it RIGHT NOW. sure

[acoustic palm]

Can I play LE for free?

[versed bone]

PoE2 isn’t released.

[calm zodiac]

No, you can't play poe2 for free either

[versed bone]

It’s in early access

[stable forum]

it was honestly genius to charge for it because let's face it, how much can it grow from here?

[calm zodiac]

Never said it was, i said it was paid, wich is a fact.

[lofty oxide]

But it's such a mid state its not worth playing right now anyway lol. Poe 2 has been very mid. But that's fine ggg will takes a few years like 1 to get dialed in

[acoustic palm]

Sure, then let's compare what 30 euro gets us. LE just the game, Poe ( 2 games with all the stashes)

[crystal crown]

This game came out in 2019, and in late 2026 they will release 1 class that is paid and people are freaking out over them being greedy lol

[versed bone]

Cool so what’s your actual point instead of just trying to intentionally stir the pot.

[indigo mist]

The reason why i dont like paid characters is because i dont know whether I'll like the character in the first place... If it was an expansion then im at least 90% sure I'd like it because expansions are built up on the base game but with more content like shadow of the erdtree in eldenring.

[calm zodiac]

My point is that acting like POE as good of a game as it is, its some messiah of the monetization, is factually wrong.

[acoustic palm]

Diablo 3 is 15 euro and has better sound design than LE or graphics or anything

[tidal heart]

this is a wild take

[versed bone]

It is hands down THE BEST monetization in a free game. Period.

[lofty oxide]

This is honestly true lol

[lofty oxide]

Fact

[calm zodiac]

I love diablo 3, but thats some insane take, the only thing i'll give you is that it has better cutscenes and story, other then that, no.

[acoustic palm]

Did you guys played D3? The AI/ sound/ art is miles ahead LE

[indigo mist]

My dislike of diablo 3 stems from the fact its too cartoony to take seriously

[obtuse tinsel]

😁 😁 😁 devs rn

[calm zodiac]

I do disagree with that, i'd say that cake go to warframe, but i digress.

[acoustic palm]

In LE every sounds like it hits a wet noodle

[lofty oxide]

So is le though lol

[indigo mist]

Like the whole premise is death and destruction but the graphic screams sunshine and rainbows.

Direct contrast from D2

[crystal crown]

This I can agree its weird the expansion isn't the part that cost$

[calm zodiac]

Also, CS2 and valorant also has better monetization them POE, but i digress once again

(I'm not saying those games are better, saying they got better monetization so pls read lol )

[lofty oxide]

Lmao

[eager iron]

Bro, Purple has been in here sucking off LE for 12 hours now lol 😂

[indigo mist]

Okay. Come on now. Valorant aint that bad... The community however.

[acoustic palm]

Anyway gents. It's a pleasure to argue with you. But gonna leave for work (I need the money to buy the new LE Op class so I can do uberoth )

[crystal crown]

agree with Diablo3, I know I am in the minority, but Diablo3 is one of my favorite games, despite all the hate it gets

[calm zodiac]

Sorry, i'm a counter strike player, so i'm contractually bound to hate it.

[acoustic palm]

D3 is Pog.

[lofty oxide]

I'm more excited for the 2 days of gameplay for new d3 seasons than LE seasons lol

[crystal crown]

I still play almost every season...........despite it just being repeats lol

[acoustic palm]

D4 also had the paid class that was doing OP damage.

[indigo mist]

Ah that makes sense. I'm a former league player so I'm contractually bound to like rito's other games.

[calm zodiac]

The problem with diablo 3 in my opinion is that they had THE BEST itemization in the industry, them them picked that itemization, throw into the trash and made that awful one we have in D3 where you can do any content with set items so everything is pointless

[acoustic palm]

Because they realized that they can get more cash if they get the casuals

Casual people like polished stuff, easy gameplay, bam bam

[calm zodiac]

Diablo 2 resurrected is 1 billion times better them diablo 3, and project diablo 2 is much better them both.

[indigo mist]

I remember people saying D3 was just MU online but with Diablo lore

[calm zodiac]

Itemization is the most important part of any ARPG and sadly diablo 3 and 4 ruined it.

[crystal crown]

set items did ruin it, I cant disagree technically, but I had fun pushing GR 150 anyway, especially for sets that weren't the best for that season. Or getting high GR without having 3k+paragon

[acoustic palm]

Yet It makes more stonks than D2 ever did, and that's what matters ( for a company)

[calm zodiac]

You know whats the funniest part? MU online has better itemization them diablo 3.

[calm zodiac]

The thing is that set items basically kill the itemization, if they're good enough to do everything, why bother?

I feel like LE itemization and skill system is some of the best we have RN.

[indigo mist]

Lmao. Considering how terrible MU was with itemization that's really bad.

[crystal crown]

yes for skill system, and itemization system is pretty good yes (suffers from opposite of D3 set items are trash)

[calm zodiac]

Theres no itemization in diablo 3, thats the issue, the items you use, the skills you use, everything work like you're making a call of duty loadout

[acoustic palm]

At least we can witness the epic new story LE will prepare us for free in the expansion, so there's that.

[indigo mist]

I personally like LE's crafting system. My most favourite one in any arpg

[calm zodiac]

100% i also like it.

[crystal crown]

but crafting = best ever in LE 10000%

[acoustic palm]

It's very deterministic, easy to get what you want

[calm zodiac]

I feel like they did a lot of things right

[eager iron]

That’s why the season is dead 1 week into it though 🤷‍♂️

[calm zodiac]

The main drawback i feel like for LE... is that LE has one of the most boring campaigns in any ARPG

[acoustic palm]

Not much to do once you get your gear and kill the 1 (one) boss we have.

Aside from pushing corruption for no actual benefit than loot which you already have

[calm zodiac]

So much so, that in my group of friends it became an internal joke to ask each other "Whats an epoch?"
"did you find the epoch?"
Cause none of my friends nor me still have any idea wth is an epoch nor do we care lol

[indigo mist]

I personally never feel complete if i havent made at least 3 build per cycle

[eager iron]

Yep. Too deterministic is bad. And end game is still very bad

[indigo mist]

According to google its a footnote in time.

[calm zodiac]

Season died fast cause it had a boring theme, with a not so fun gimmick, the only good thing was t8 stuff.

[crystal crown]

to be fair its only dead depending how far you want to get, some just beat the game-300 corruption-Abberoth-Uber Abberoth-10k corr, whatever it may be.
Uber Aberoth was a challenge, took me many tries to finally down him

[acoustic palm]

If corruption Gave us Uber points or something to make our class better it would be an incentive to keep playing.

[calm zodiac]

I feel like we all agree that season 2 was the best by a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong shot

[crystal crown]

yes

[acoustic palm]

Yeah

[eager iron]

It should’ve been. It took a year to make

[acoustic palm]

Yeah, and there's nothing to compare it to. 1.3 was empty

[indigo mist]

Welp, I'm gonna head off. Need to catch some ZZZs you guys have fun arguing and stoking the fire. Keep it pg and friendly.

Or dont, I'm not the one getting flagged by a mod. lol

[acoustic palm]

Mods are probably asleep at this hour

[crystal crown]

just don't make fun of poor people and you are safe

[calm zodiac]

I also got canned earlier but i fully admit i was ragebaiting people lol

[acoustic palm]

Why? Discord should have access to people that only paid for the game plus dlc. I don't want to argue with someone that didn't bought the game.

Otherwise we will get to argue with people that come to throw salt.

Link the game to discord or something for a role.

[crystal crown]

I still think its crazy all the talk about is the paid class
My rage was about the non existent roadmap, but everyone seems ok with it

[acoustic palm]

Well, that's part of it. We have no news about the new end game., but we know we will get more classes for cash.

[south moat]

Yeah, it definitely was just "Yes, there is content"

[calm zodiac]

Nah i share that with you, as i said before, that was the worse announcement ever, all this problem would be so avoidable if they released this statement alongside a DLC trailer showcasing new stuff so people get hyped lol

[acoustic palm]

That's called the sandwich technique, mix the bad news between good news.

[crystal crown]

I have never been let down so fast, I was so excited when I 1st saw the post
yay roadmap finally after weeks of delay !!!!!!!!!!! what are we getting new, whats the new news!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "season 4 then a season 5, then an expansion" roadmap done..........I leaned nothing lol

[south moat]

Probably too early for it if it's far away

[acoustic palm]

Why announce it then

[calm zodiac]

Then they shouldn't have put this announcement on now welp also hi nub

[acoustic palm]

Just to give us something to doom about

[crystal crown]

just dont get how it got delayed all this time, if thats all it was

[south moat]

Hello hello, gm
Good to see you

[acoustic palm]

Like what point does it make to let us know that in 1 year we need to pay some more cash

[calm zodiac]

But regardless of what they do, think on the bright side

They can't mess this thing worse then wolcen right?

[acoustic palm]

Tell us what we get in season 4

[south moat]

Hopefully they don't take that as a challenge

[acoustic palm]

Aren't they making a wolcen the 2nd?

[calm zodiac]

I think it would be genuinely a challenge

[calm zodiac]

No, they're chasing trends and releasing a crappy extraction game nobody asked for lol

[spark flume]

will we really get classes locked behind expansion?

[calm zodiac]

Guess they're speedrunning bankrupcy after the wolcen rugpull

[spark flume]

can't believe it 😅

[calm zodiac]

No, expansion will be free, you can pay for the new class if you want.

[spark flume]

okay !

[crystal crown]

LE Meeting
Mike with EHG: Can we release the roadmap yet please?, its been weeks
Krafton: Not yet, its sensitive info, we don't wanna ruin anything to early
Mike with EHG: OK, its been weeks now, can we give the super secret info now?
Krafton: Ok lets do the big reveal, I think we can leak the info now, let our fans know that after season 4 is.............get this season 5 !!!!, and let them know about the expansion again that we mentioned before.

[acoustic palm]

Yeah, because that's what this game needed, more expansion for that beautiful story

[calm zodiac]

Releasing the roadmap in december would be ludacris, specially with all eyes on 0.4 for poe.
Hopefully they release it early jan

[acoustic palm]

So, wouldn't it better idea to show us 1.4 footage?

Instead of telling us about paid DLC? Like from a company pov, what good did today announcement did?

[calm zodiac]

I believe that everyone here being those who take issue with paid chars or not, i believe everyone agree that this announcement was terrible

[acoustic palm]

It didn't hype us, it revealed nothing to make sales go better.

[crystal crown]

agreed

[acoustic palm]

It's like reading that the government increased taxes for next year. Okay, fun.

[calm zodiac]

I still do think they should make LE base game free, this way people would complain less i guess, and anyone playing it seriously would get the DLC anyway.

[south moat]

Imagine if by "early 2026" they don't mean january

[acoustic palm]

Probably February

Realistically march

[calm zodiac]

Feb would crash with POE1 league, not smart

Diablo 4 league... nobody cares about that one so they can release near that

[south moat]

I feel that would kill the game

[calm zodiac]

Poe2 will kill diablo 4 for good in december now anyway.

[acoustic palm]

Nah, D4 and Poe 2 player base doesn't really connect

[calm zodiac]

I don't 100% agree there, i know many people who were diablo 4 players and jumped ship.

[acoustic palm]

I feel that D4 game play is closet to Poe 1 than to poe2

[stable forum]

they probably do want to have a proper hype cycle for S4 so Feb is more likely

[acoustic palm]

I play all arpgs, I enjoy em anyway

[calm zodiac]

Poe2 season will release less then a week after d4 so welp, its the same thing they did to LE.

[calm zodiac]

I also do enjoy them all exept for d4.

[crystal crown]

obviously a guess because it can be anything really, but late Jan/Feb would be best guess for me
To me if it was March, it would of been 1st quarter 2026 not early 2026
but this all depends on what "early" is to them, so that could by april/may to some people technically

[acoustic palm]

Even obscure stuff like the incredible adventures of van Helsing

[calm zodiac]

welp i tried that one, but that was... not very good lmao

[stable forum]

I was enjoying D4 until is was just powers and the more powers and then here's another season of powers!

[acoustic palm]

Tbh I really hate what D4 did to items in last patch

[calm zodiac]

40k inquisitor by the same devs tho... much better.

[acoustic palm]

You have to click 50 times just for the sakes of it.

What was the name of that arpg released 20 years ago with a town and a dog. Wild tangent made it or something

[calm zodiac]

I finished the campaign, pokerfaced my monitor asking WTF did i just play, closed it, never opened it again.

[acoustic palm]

That was my childhood jam

[calm zodiac]

Torchlight?

[crystal crown]

Play em all but the only ones that really stood out/made me actually put in over 500 hours were Diablo 2/3--POE 1/2--Grim Dawn--Titan Quest,and LE of course

[acoustic palm]

No no

[calm zodiac]

Only other that come to mind like that is fable 2, but thats kind of a different deal.

[tidal heart]

Yeah arpg eating good. I play every season for all the games it’s mad fun

Terrible on the wallet but it’s my hobby

[acoustic palm]

Let me ask chatgpt

[crystal crown]

I think maybe the 1st Torchlight might of hit 500 hours not sure, I hated 2/3 and infinite wasnt that great, but was good enough to play a new season when bored

[acoustic palm]

Fate 2005

[calm zodiac]

I liked TL1 and 2, but hated everything that comes after

[grim sinew]

DARKSTONE HAD A DOG IN ONE OF THE TOWNS

sorry didnt know caps was still on

[calm zodiac]

Them we have Sacred, dunno if any of yall played that

[acoustic palm]

NP dude. I respect arpg with animals. I love em

[crystal crown]

back in the day it ws amazing, I doubt I could go back to it though lol

[calm zodiac]

Sacred was... interesting despite the awful gameplay, them sacred 3 came out, devs smoked a shitton of drugs and made wathever tf that game was.

[grim sinew]

did anybody play darkstone here

[calm zodiac]

Sacred 2 is aways fun to me cause the grapcs remind me of those random generic characters in GPU boxes

[crystal crown]

its like going back to Diablo 1, sure back in the day as a kid I loved it, but going back to that old of a game, I usually can't do.

[acoustic palm]

doesn't ring a bell

[calm zodiac]

Never heard of

[calm zodiac]

Diablo 1 remake inside of diablo 3 was the coolest thing blizzard ever did and we will never see it done again sadly.

[crystal crown]

Nox? Dungeon Siege? Dungeon Siege maybe I could go back to, doubt it though

[acoustic palm]

Riot games ARPG when

[next cairn]

Valve ARPG

[grim sinew]

darkstone was on pc and ps1 it was your typical d2 clone was my first arpg haha was at a rummage sale there was a shoebox with like 30 ps1 games 4 mem cards 2 controllers and the ps1 she said i could just have the whole box of shit cause it was worthless . . . it had d1 legend of dragoon darkstone and a bunch of other fun ones only reason darkstone was first was it was the first game on the pile

[acoustic palm]

Also, I am not sure if reddit is fine with it. But in the post companies couldn't moderate their own Reddits.

I see many EHG employees as mods

[calm zodiac]

Twitter response seemed far more positive them discord if you check the post... surprisingly enough

[acoustic palm]

Cuz people with money doesn't use discord

[grim sinew]

speaking of d3 they missed a massive opportunity they couldve had leah kill deckard cain while posessed by diablo but instead it was the butterfly

[acoustic palm]

It's just us here

[calm zodiac]

I mean, d3 and specially d4 try to be too family friendly for their own good, thats the issue with being too mainstream.

[south moat]

D3 evils just felt... boring
Like some villain from a story for children
telling you their plans and trying to be super tough sounding

[acoustic palm]

Jokes aside, do you think the new class should be stronger then the current classes at their prime or weaker? I can see people being salty if the new class is weaker than void knight

[calm zodiac]

Diablo voice acting itself tho... that was top notch, but yes the other evils felt lackluster

[calm zodiac]

I think it should be in-line with the others

[acoustic palm]

I saw a gent deleting uberoth in 20 secs with void knight

[calm zodiac]

But i care more about the class theme them the class power, if the class fit an archetype i like, i'll buy and play regardless of how weak or not it is, if not i'll skip regardless of how strong or not it is.

[tropic nebula]

I guess the answer was 6 months or so. LOL

[south moat]

Didn't some bear earthquake kill uber in like 12sec?

[calm zodiac]

People were deleting it in 5 secs with the druid lol

[acoustic palm]

Good stuff

[calm zodiac]

Druid was busted this league, completely broken

Still, played litch tho UwU

[grim sinew]

it will most likely be weaker

[calm zodiac]

All i wish for the new classes is to not be more diablo 2 classes, i hope they break the mold

[acoustic palm]

I hope at least it's not bugged

[calm zodiac]

Go wacky stuff, i said earlier before, crysis inspired futuristic soldier with pistols, rifles and snipers

[acoustic palm]

Dogs with guns

See? That's why I love Poe, I just saw a cat autobomber build that fills the screen with cats

[south moat]

Dog that is also a gun

[acoustic palm]

People like wacky stuff

[grim sinew]

https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/paradox-classes-are-a-incredible-thing/80159 i hope hes right

[grim sinew]

guns for my squirrels

[acoustic palm]

Well, again, we are 1 year before we see these classes, so we have nothing to compare or see

[calm zodiac]

I'll say that they should change course on this paid character stuff and do a... paid early access, you pay you get instant access, you don't, you get it next league, and if you pay you also get a cool armor set cosmetic themed in that character yay, everyone gets happy.

[acoustic palm]

also add challenges like in Poe, give us something to do

aside finishing campaign, getting to 100 in 3 days

give us more end game

[calm zodiac]

Put death xp penalty like in poe after lvl 70 so ppl take longer to get to lvl 100 :3

[pearl orbit]

please no

[acoustic palm]

Not a problem for any dark knight enjoyer

Void*

That would just punish the non meta players even more

[acoustic palm]

Make it like in Chinese Poe, with scrolls to prevent exp lose that can be bought with money

[carmine smelt]

Honestly I wouldn't be that upset by xp penalties on death, as long as they deal with the weird incentives that PoE used to have (eg. waiting to level up before fighting a boss)

[acoustic palm]

you don't lose exp anymore on bosses in poe

[carmine smelt]

yeah thats my point

thats a good change

[acoustic palm]

https://i.imgur.com/oMLRRmf.jpeg the memes

[calm zodiac]

We also need transmogs so we have more things to collect

[acoustic palm]

I forgot that GD expansion will also come in early 2026

Titan quest 2 too

[acoustic palm]

Doesn't help when they look bad

So yeah, a lot of competition for LE money

[rain juniper]

I don't think them adding dlc is the worst thing in the world, but I don't think the quality of the game in terms of content in both a quality of cosmetics or quantity of varied endgame gameplay is good enough for people to want to be spending big on the game.

[wet heron]

Yall hyped for the last of the Druids? lol

[acoustic palm]

LE needs better trade

[copper sorrel]

Was there any further info about the paradox classes?

[true rover]

Paid class, lmao. Sounds like the beginning of the end for LE. GG, had a fun time.

[copper sorrel]

Wouldnt say its the end, if its rare or onetime only. Like in d3 the necromancer was

[jade oxide]

nope, just that it would be paid dlc and that we’d be getting something… not sure if its just one or more

hopefully its 1 class that branches out to 3 subclasses like the current ones, but methinks it’ll just be a single one class/subclass situation

[gleaming star]

Just read the news
They really went from saying support packs would pay for the game + release price + mtx just to say f you huh
I’m so glad I dumped so much money into this game for zero reason
Glad they turned back on their word the second they get bought out
I am beyond disappointed

[brittle aurora]

yeah everyone is

[twin totem]

I got good times out of the money I put in already but yeah, I'm probably done

[brittle aurora]

i wonder if they will backup from this idea after this backlash lmao

[wet heron]

I guess ggg are the ones that are ahead right? D4 always got made fun of but last epoch and poe 2 always seemed to be the better arpgs. Ehh now it looks like who the clear winner is lol

[jade oxide]

in a way the writings in the wall for a while now

being bought by krafton right as the subnautica incident

even before krafton, we’ve had a lot of missing content but we were willing to let it pass because we were still getting our moneys worth back then

them saying that support packs have not been sustainable

nothingburger announcements for a while about content (no release dates, info, just a “we’re working on this!” for a while now)

now they announce a free expansion, but along with it a roadmap with no dates, no info, and then the paid dlc class that everyone instantly zoomed in on, me included 🤣 , which basically killed all of the goodwill from hearing about a free expansion
not to mention job postings for 1/3 of the announcement

[acoustic palm]

Just play whatever makes you happy

[outer lily]

IMO it's a lose lose situation. Either it's stronger than existent classes and therefore P2W, or it's weaker and nobody buys it.

[gleaming star]

I know but I was hopefully
I really believed in this game :(

[silk compass]

idc about druid, i want to see endgame changes xdd

[gleaming star]

Maybe we can get a Druid paywall 💀

[acoustic palm]

There are swords in the database, I would post a pic, but LE discord is the only arpg discord that doesn't allow pics

[jade oxide]

it doesnt have to be significantly stronger/weaker, if its different enough and its fun without significantly behing ahead or behind its honestly good enough

[wet heron]

I’m always hyped for a new class. Last league we didn’t get one but ofc think about how many new gems there will be. They did say this was the endgame patch because I get bored of Poe 2s endgame

It’s confirmed we’re getting talismans

[silk compass]

last league i have a lot of fun with new craft system

[acoustic palm]

I played RF and did my 40/40 and had a blast

[wet heron]

I loved abyss

[silk compass]

I saw some bases in empy video (mines, traps, daggers and more)

in meme museum video i guess, i dont remember

[acoustic palm]

I can't wait to play a bear

[silk compass]

I did 36/40 and now I waiting for poe 2, hero siege and LE xdd

[clever hamlet]

it allows for pics, just not in the General channel for non staff users

[acoustic palm]

Don't sleep on new GD expansion too

[silk compass]

Ranger bear with tailwind HYPE

[silk compass]

i dont have GD

[acoustic palm]

It's a paid expansion for a laid game ye

[wet heron]

BEAR

[silk compass]

BEARanger xdd

[astral sleet]

Don't think I have ever ssid anything on here before but;

I bought this game in Alpha. That was about 8 yesrs ago.

At the time they promised to always remain buy to play with ZERO paid DLC.

To be fair, I would have paid for an expansion had it been said from the start.

I have every character at level 100 with all currently unobtainable items in offline characters.

This is ridiculous. This is against what we were promised.

[quick magnet]

the foresight to know your monetization model is doomed to fail would be a great asset to many a company

[wise bramble]

Just vote with your wallet man

[brittle aurora]

never believe in promises

[astral sleet]

I will be.

As I said, I would have paid had they been up front 8 years ago.

But this, this is insane. I have had 2 kids between them lieing about this now.

[quick magnet]

Do you really think things cannot fundamentally change in the span of 8 years?

[pearl orbit]

would have paid? the content doesnt even exist yet

[astral sleet]

It wass what they ssid up and until and including, release and maintained until just now...

[pearl orbit]

the type of person to play a game for 4000 hours and leave a neagtive steam review

[quick magnet]

Which means things have changed dramatically in a short time.

[quick magnet]

Hey now, new world has entered the chat

[gleaming star]

I’m so excited for this
It was also great when they did a complete revamp patch to freshen things up while we waited (just wish they announced it closer to release KEK)
I remember logging into steam and seeing the update and going WHAT

[pearl orbit]

Sure if LE decided to shut down and also remove access to offline play I could get behind you, that's not what is happening

Not even close

[quick magnet]

I'm not trying to poopoo your take here, it's absolutely valid, but part of it is rooted in something...genuinely untenable to expect

[lusty grotto]

I play offline only, i have wife and 2 kids, so all dlcs r free on PC

[quick magnet]

Neither has New World, my guy. It's just not getting new content.

Off the back of new content.

[lusty grotto]

[quick magnet]

That provably moved the needle

[lusty grotto]

🦦

[astral sleet]

What's untenable? I said I would have paid for an expansion if that was a vision from the start. I have no issue paying.

But they said for 7 years straight "we will never charge more" then suddenly dropped this.

That's my issue

[quick magnet]

The situation with New World is just an example of people rightfully being blindsided and switching to a negative sentiments deep into their time with a game

[lusty grotto]

🛌

[acoustic palm]

Yeah, arpg players are eating good

[silk compass]

I cant wait for new hero siege tree

[quick magnet]

And they absolutely wanted to and tried to up until now. Hell if I know what their financials looked like over itme but very clearly they were not in good shape lmao They had to change course, they didn't just do it to be greedy. They're literally floundering and only now has the situation gotten so bad they have to change their approach

All I'm saying is they never lied or anything. Things have just gotten bad for them. And we can all kinda tell lmao

[exotic solar]

Before changing their approach, finishing the game would be nice gesture.

[jade oxide]

i think you should have adjusted all expectations the moment they announced the acquisition lol

[quick magnet]

Hey, I'm not defending anything, I'm just looking at the situation at hand.

[astral sleet]

I did lol. Doesn't mean I am pleased about it

[jade oxide]

fairs

[quick magnet]

Yeah absolutely valid

[silk compass]

brother, krafton...

[gleaming star]

Bro we can’t even do reactions 💀

[gleaming star]

💀

[quick magnet]

Things have turned sour because they punched above their weight class

They tried and it didn't work out.

Also no, you can't do reactions because the mods realize how immature things get

[acoustic palm]

Yeah, cuz people would do certain emote to certain devs

[astral sleet]

Let me put it to you like this.

In Alpha/beta we were a small community. We all knew eachother.

The devil used to come on here and talk to us all the time.

They themselves, promised that they were TOTALLY AGAINST paid content and would NEVER put it in their games.

For them to do that now, means they won't stop at this. It'll be p2w diablo immortal before you know it

[gleaming star]

They can still do that with a reply KEK

[quick magnet]

Lemme pause you here fam

[jade oxide]

last night i saw some freaks doing polls “WoUlD yOu PaY $x fOr A PaId cLaSS?”

[gleaming star]

Oh damn they killed nitro emotes too

[median perch]

P2w class?

[wet heron]

See idk how excited people are for free expansion when I mean there’s Poe and their “expansions” are free as well lmao. How much of a proposition is that

[jade oxide]

absolutely brain numbing

[silk compass]

i cant reaction with eyes 👀 😭

[acoustic palm]

A guy complained that he got banned and EHG staff revealed that he got banned by replying a clown emote to Mike or someone

[quick magnet]

lmao good

[acoustic palm]

So yeah, people use toxic emotes

[pearl orbit]

poe. sure. GD isnt free, TQ2 isnt free, D4 isnt free, HS isnt free...

[brittle aurora]

toxic emote xD

tf is this kindergarten

[gleaming star]

That’s so stupid man
Scared of a clown

[quick magnet]

Yes, it is, given how many toddlers are in the chat anytime something happens they don't like

[jade oxide]

i dont even know what reaction for me timed out for

i sent an and 🤡 to someone 👍

[quick magnet]

No one uses the clown emoji in any way but hurtful

[pearl orbit]

clown gets timeout i think

[brittle aurora]

but how does it hurt

[gleaming star]

You can use any emote to be hurtful
And if you ban one another will replace it

[jade oxide]

amazing.

[silk compass]

I said something about paid druid in poe 2 and I was timeout

[gleaming star]

Acting like a clown emote is gonna do anything is crazy work
And being banned for it is even crazier

[stiff wave]

🕳

[silk compass]

🕳️

[jade oxide]

whats a hole

[gleaming star]

Where do those pits lead
Are they safe to jump into?

[quick magnet]

This reaction is proof of the lack of empathy about such things. More places should action against such disrespect but this is wholly irrelevant to anything

[brittle aurora]

how do you even function in real life if clown emote bothers you in discord app

[quick magnet]

Case in point.

[silk compass]

you can found clowns there, be careful

[gleaming star]

Better ban the internet
Or literally any public forum where people can express themselves

[gleaming star]

Pleading eyes emote

[silk compass]

👀

[quick magnet]

Sweet money, the internet is a cesspool. Just because it's normalized doesn't make it ok.

[gleaming star]

Read the part where I said any public forum
This will happen anywhere humans can communicate

[silk compass]

MVP

[whole bone]

wait, I just saw, paid classes?

LOL

[silk compass]

yes 👀

[quick magnet]

Except face to face

[brittle aurora]

welcome to the ranting zone

[obtuse bay]

is this tuff

[silk compass]

Paradox Classes

[gleaming star]

That’s not even remotely true
They do it face to face all the time
Even starts riots

[quick magnet]

Not only can you not "clown emoji" a person IRL, the social pressure to not be a jackass to someone's face is much, much higher

[gleaming star]

Maybe they can pay wall the clown emoji so krafton can make bank

[brittle aurora]

10.99$ to hurt people

[jade oxide]

genuinely though is this the first time arpg players have heard of a paid class

[brittle aurora]

i dont care, i would expect this from d4

[silk compass]

D3 necro

[quick magnet]

I mean, in fairness, the examples of them in the genre aren't....great....

[gleaming star]

I wish people irl did clown emote instead of half of what they say or do
If you think clown is that horrific I have bad news for how people irl operate

[quick magnet]

Just cuz they exist doesn't mean that juice is truely worth the squeeze in the end

[quick magnet]

Sounds like you've weathered a lot of undue abuse.

[silk compass]

I wish it were possible to use the clown emoji in real life 😭

[gleaming star]

After being told supporter packs, mtx and the price of the game would ensure no paid dlc for years and years consistently
I wonder why we drop that critical bit of context
It’s not just over a paid class

[silk compass]

MVP

[quick magnet]

Protip- carry around a clown nose and honk it when you wanna imagine that.

[jade oxide]

paid expansion with a class tied to it isnt new to the whole industry, paid classes alone isnt as common but it’s not always a potential p2w situation especially in sp, pve games

[gleaming star]

They tried that in 2016 and caused a nation wide panic KEK

[acoustic palm]

tbh, EHG told you this, krafton has no obligation to follow on that

[quick magnet]

I bet it'd actually diffuse a lot of arguments before they even start.

[gleaming star]

I hope krafton enjoys the bajillions they’ll make at the pace last epoch releases content

[silk compass]

LOL I remember that XD

[acoustic palm]

i mean, they paid 96 m for EHG, its their duty to see how they will make that much back plus profit

[obtuse bay]

now people talking about last epoch in blizzard forum

[gleaming star]

I’m eepy time now
Good luck fellow gamers

[pearl orbit]

I gotta be honest a probably $10 at most optional dlc over the course of an 8 year development of a live service game is the most ridiculous thing to get upset about. I spent more money playing WoW for 3 months. Weird hill to die on

[gleaming star]

https://tenor.com/view/deer-cat-kitten-cuddles-love-gif-11378293685296288380

[brittle aurora]

true, the s4 date is still unknown

[gleaming star]

Damn they killed gifs too

This server is afraid

[obtuse bay]

honestly 10$ aint bad for 3 or more months

[quick magnet]

Yeah it's ah... tiresome but it'll pass

[silk compass]

Diablo doesn't have enough content to keep their forum active 👀

[gleaming star]

That gif was a cat cuddling a deer btw, super disrespectful

[quick magnet]

Frankly I don't exactly expect much improvement to the game

You don't get special treatment.

[silk compass]

After Krafton showed up, I lost my expectations about it

[pearl orbit]

If its not good dont play it? if it is you can?

[brittle aurora]

can i get my money back after 100 hours? instead of s4 release date i got introduced to paid classes

[jade oxide]

you have to be ragebaiting LOL

[pearl orbit]

the type of person to return their dead christmas tree to costco at the end of january

[quick magnet]

Relax. There's no stopping consumer outrage

[silk compass]

👀

[quick magnet]

I'm just here to temper it with some amount of reason

[obtuse bay]

I am expecting 10-15$ for dlc, If they make it equal or higher than base game price, it won't be appeal enough to buy it

[quick magnet]

I've watched too many communities eat themselves alive because they don't like a thing

[exotic solar]

Problem is not money. Many people who are mad about this bought supporter packs just to fund the game. They dont deliver quality content, game is unfinished, classes miss base skills, combat feels worse then runescape classic and they ask for more money. They got away before because of goodwill they had, people are fed up with their excuses because they are always on time asking for money but not when its time to deliver.

[pearl orbit]

yes, they will take it back. yes, they wil block your ability to refund if you do it too much, and yes they are insane to even have that policy. enjoy at own risk

[obtuse bay]

the issue is- If content will be good enough?

[clever hamlet]

that's what I'm hoping as well

[brittle aurora]

yeah feed them corpos, pay for it

[silk compass]

can't wait to see stats like
new uber kills:
2772 paid class
500 pally
300 falconer
50 abom necro
20 void knight
10 everything else

[obtuse bay]

its preference instead diablo and poe, and I am sure people spending more on them

[jade oxide]

, some people are freaking out like they are investors to a company when they are actually just customers who bought into a product

[silk compass]

this

[quick magnet]

I buy what I want, I don't really care what was said before unless it actively removes things from me that I either paid for prior or enjoyed.

FOMO doesn't work on me

[brittle aurora]

like imagine who runs the company, us

[quick magnet]

I count myself lucky there, it's clearly not actually a common thing

nor simply a just "don't be baited 4head" kinda thing

But if something doesn't appeal to me, it doesn't get my money. It's really just that simple.

[jade oxide]

am i being baited with this

🫠

[quick magnet]

I DO understand how terrible their optics have become though lmao

If EHG is guilty of any one mistake, it's terrible timing in like EVERYthing they do

[spark flume]

i would rather buy expansion with class in it than classes separately

[brittle aurora]

go buy some twitch streamers some gifts or subs

[spark flume]

like 15 20 bucks

[silk compass]

I don't want a refund, the money I spent was worth the fun I had.

[jade oxide]

the problem is optics aside, theres nearly 0 information to anything and youre leaving it up to speculation to determine if the future will be good

id say take a break, just enjoy other games and come back when we have more info about the expac and classes

[clever hamlet]

true, or a class pass to all future classes but for like 25-30$

maybe after a couple classes tho

'cause we don't really know how many there will be

[spark flume]

imagine a new player in 2 years, coming to the game oh here is your 10 different classes to buy

[clever hamlet]

yea, that'd be bad

that's what we had with Hero Siege

[obtuse bay]

I am honestly playing different games while waiting new dlc 😂 but its nice to read your opinions, we don't have nothing except waiting in the end

[clever hamlet]

tho all the classes were like 90$ total

[astral sleet]

That's the thing nobody wants to admit.

They'll defend this game and devs for no reason.

Played this gamr longer than anyone and I love it, but they won't admit it.

[spark flume]

I didn't play LE a whole lot compared to you but I wanted to come back once in a while it leave me a bad taste in my mouth, im definitely willing to pay idk 10-20dollars each season im coming back but in a different way

[tender thistle]

Krafton be making moves makes me sad

[obtuse bay]

interesting thing they said for paradox classes, a fully alternate playable class built on systems that work differently from anything else in the game

so what type of classes can work different than classes in the game? wtf

[spark flume]

whats krafton

[tender thistle]

if you dont know then your in the wrong discord

[brittle aurora]

yeah i thought about this, like new mechanics? this really puts older classes to shame

[obtuse bay]

word choice is also interesting, paradox huh?

[pearl orbit]

Yes first we're getting a hearts of iron class, then it'll be a stellaris one

[clever hamlet]

Mike said it's intentional that it's vague, or else it would spoil the whole thing

[quick magnet]

Oh I fully expect these classes to be remixes of the existing class characters

Like a "what if acolyte but holy" kinda thing

But that's pure speculation

[clever hamlet]

yea same, or like "what if we allowed people to mix and match certain masteries"

[smoky pier]

I am all over the Crusader Kings class

[quick magnet]

God that would actually be cool

[pearl orbit]

I don't think the world is ready for the crusader kings class

[quick magnet]

lol

[brittle aurora]

i want terraria one

[smoky pier]

Gonna marry my daughter to a grole

[pearl orbit]

sadly re-logic classes are not being added

[silk compass]

Chinese Dynasty class where?

👀

[brittle aurora]

nooo i want to blast enemies with last prism

[smoky pier]

That's a paid Paradox expansion

[quick magnet]

I don't think we have anything analogous to much of Asia

[silk compass]

😭

[pearl orbit]

did you guys know bloodlines 2 is paradox? me neither

[smoky pier]

Gonna be a mong*l and conquer the timelines

(Yes that word is banned)

[quick magnet]

kekw

[pearl orbit]

how would a cities skyline class even work

this system is weird

[brittle aurora]

lmao

[quick magnet]

That's the neat part, It wouldn't!

[smoky pier]

I think it's just reskinned falconer

[quick magnet]

You play the bird

[pearl orbit]

falconer is just a reskinned planet cracker doomsday weapon

[clever hamlet]

can't you deal with natural disasters in cities skylines, or was it just sim city ?

[brittle aurora]

can we get skins and dances like in fortnite

[smoky pier]

I mean.. . CS2 has tornadoes.... so does Primalist

[pearl orbit]

that depends, are fortnite dances in paradox?

age of wondrs 4 might have a goofy dance

[smoky pier]

Victoria 3 has dancing, im sure of it.

We can all be English statesmen and colonise the timelines.

[pearl orbit]

it has entire balls. yes.

ok, purely speculation here, you don't think they are going to announce the prison architect class, do you?

[smoky pier]

Dungeon Keeper mod for Last Epoch? I'd play it.

[pearl orbit]

that'd be a wild season mechanic

[smoky pier]

Undercover Boss: Orobyss Edition

[simple bison]

I've been to the paradox interactive studio on a tour once, pretty neat place

[smoky pier]

Jelly

[pearl orbit]

flexing on us plebs

[simple bison]

[brittle aurora]

can we continue the drama

im bored at work

[clever hamlet]

nuh-uh

[south moat]

Don't feel like it

[brittle aurora]

come on guys

[south moat]

Okay, here's the drama:
They're buffing falconer in season 4
All attacks of the falcon will be as strong as fully geared earthquake bear

[exotic solar]

What kind of drama you are looking for

[hard basalt]

k-drama

[pearl orbit]

pretty sure the falcon just drops bears

get your facts straight

[simple bison]

Wolf meteor making a comeback

[pearl orbit]

darn that deserved a

reactions better come back 😤

[brittle aurora]

if we will behave

[pearl orbit]

beehave you mean

[brittle aurora]

and not hurt people with clown emotes

[pearl orbit]

it's LE bro

[clever hamlet]

nah we can't survive the clown apocalypse

[south moat]

That's how it deals so much dmg

[pearl orbit]

ever notice how both falconeer and the bear minion dont need to be wearing items to deal 300 million damage

illuminati confirmed

[simple bison]

Guess the game

[pearl orbit]

hello kitty island adventure

[simple bison]

Close

[pearl orbit]

lego batman

[simple bison]

Colder

[clever hamlet]

Titanfall 2

[pearl orbit]

call of duty black ops 7

[simple bison]

Even colder

[pearl orbit]

last epoch from like 2018

[brittle aurora]

is it a preview of the new paid class

[clever hamlet]

bruh I thought this was wrong answers only

[smoky pier]

Clearly Total War Annihilation reskin of Last Epoch

[simple bison]

It's obviously SpongeBob battle for bikini bottom

[pearl orbit]

it might be knack for the playstation 2

[south moat]

bikini battle for spongebottom

[exotic solar]

Dont do that game dirty like that. It has insane speedruning community.

[smoky pier]

Dance dance Grolevolution

[simple bison]

Cd ketchup strats go hard ngl

[pearl orbit]

goldeneye 64 final guess

i give up

[simple bison]

Sadly nobody got it, it's just LE

And that's a paladin

[pearl orbit]

darn its not 2018?

[clever hamlet]

Freddi Fish 3: The Case of the Stolen Conch Shell

[brittle aurora]

its diablo 5

[smoky pier]

Cyborg. Come now. That is clearly Community Testing server content released outside NDA for original Abberoth fight

[pearl orbit]

Is it the unreleased and cancelled Resident Evil GBC

[brittle aurora]

half life 3?

[simple bison]

Yo don't snitch wth /s

[pearl orbit]

this guy thinks valve can count to 3

[brittle aurora]

hopium

[pearl orbit]

ok

is it tak and the power of juju

[simple bison]

Rogue trooper for playstation 2

Banger

[pearl orbit]

hey you pikachu

[crimson obsidian]

As long as the crafting is nearly mission impossible i won’t come back…

[pearl orbit]

that's what primalist needs, bear only casts earthquake when you scream into your microphone commanding it

gamefreak was decades ahead of its time

[brittle aurora]

mage arena inc

[smoky pier]

Ok
I figured it out

It's Last Epoch before they introduced the Early Access paid DLC for people who missed the kickstarter

[pearl orbit]

close, it's actually paper mario and the sorcerer's stone

[smoky pier]

Fk

[pearl orbit]

anyone could make that mistake

[smoky pier]

You're right

I will wear this shame forever

[balmy arrow]

[brittle aurora]

apart from paid class, this "roadmap" is a joke

[south moat]

Yeah, it is pretty sad

[half wind]

calling it a road map is pretty funny actually, have 2 things on there that we all knew kinda 😄

[brittle aurora]

its almost non existent, i feel like solo developers deliver more

[half wind]

and having the next season in 3+ motnsh from now, the game will not recover

so much for " we want a shorter cycle between seasons"

maybe it's good to stop now and not have to deal with all of it next year

[south moat]

Well they said early 2026 so it could also be in january which isn't 3 months from now
Buut it could also mean february

[brittle aurora]

i highly doubt it will come out in early 2026

no teasers, no news on that, no screenshots from new "paid classes"

[quick magnet]

Because it's not ready to share yet.

[half wind]

if it would be jan/feb they would be able to share a date, how it is right now they are not even close to come up with a good season to bring the game back

[quick magnet]

a lot can happen in a few months

[lost tree]

So if we are all unhappy with paid classes do we just convert over to 100% offline mode and call it a day?

[brittle aurora]

how underwhelming are year lasting seasons

[quick magnet]

No. We don't have to do that to not buy the class if we don't wan it.

[half wind]

last season came out 3 months ago, how much time do they need to show us atleast something?

[south moat]

I got the impreasion the classes don't come until the expansion

[quick magnet]

As much as they need. You don't know how long anything on their back end takes

Patience is a lost virtue in gaming, I do get that, but you're gonna wait for it anyway

[half wind]

too long in modern game development, thats why they shoot themselves in the foot. I'm sure they appreciate your white knighting

[brittle aurora]

bro if you call me unpatient because i dont want a game to have a year lasting seasons you arent build for arpgs

[quick magnet]

No, honestly, modern game development is as fast as it needs to be. The problem is the petulant masses being served with it. They'll take the time they need and anyone who cares will be here waiting for it.

If that's not enough people to keep them afloat, well, so be it.

but plenty of gonks who decry their lack of info will be just as present when that info does eventually drop

Much like many ragequit a season in any given game, only to come back for the next one

[brittle fjord]

Half-Life more than 2 but less than 4

[fringe thicket]

@vivid glen you guys lost the last bit of plot.
Shame on you. If this half expansion with the other half beeing wallet-locked really drops as you said, you sure know this game gets deleted as a sell-out should.

[quick magnet]

Bold move, cotton

[half wind]

maybe they should use AI, Krafton can help out I'm sure to be faster

[brittle fjord]

A very much doubt a class is half the content.

[half wind]

have u played last season?

that "content" was not worthy of calling itself a season

[halcyon hedge]

i hope not xD would be kinda LOST 😄

[quick magnet]

It was decidedly more than a season is in many other games

[half wind]

calling the paid class half the content is probably generous at this point

[brittle fjord]

Yes, last season also wasn't labled as an expansion so I can only imagine the new season is much bigger in scope.

[quick magnet]

Or would you call it something akin to D4 Season of More Powers

[brittle fjord]

We'll just have to wait and see, no need to get your knickers all in a twist just yet.

[half wind]

pretty sure new class is OP af, so it sells aka the leader boards will be littered with p2w. very good!

[brittle fjord]

Other genres maybe but not in the ARPG community.

[quick magnet]

LOL

[brittle fjord]

PoE sort of set the bar for what a season can be.

[quick magnet]

"Pretty sure" about a thing that literally doesn't exist.

[quick magnet]

Sorry but I'll take LEs seasons over Diablo 4's anyday

[halcyon hedge]

i mean, who would buy it if its bad af? xD

[quick magnet]

At least most of that isn't wholly borrowed power all the time

[brittle aurora]

atleast they exist

[quick magnet]

there's a middleground ffs lmao

[half wind]

perfect answer

[quick magnet]

Honestly, PoE has the genrespace in its pocket. No one's actually going to beat them unless they thread the corpo needle and can operate as a scale comparable to GGG but not so big they have to prioritize profit over design

[clever hamlet]

no middle ground for ragebait

[quick magnet]

That's a tall-ass ask in 2025

[brittle aurora]

no endgame content, nothing to draw players back, just announcing paid class and posting image of non existent roadmap, i feel scammed

[half wind]

maybe they start charging people to be able to enter new monoliths, diablo immortal makes good money with it in asia. could be what they need at this point

[halcyon hedge]

stop giving them ideas 😄

[sharp raft]

After 0.4 if it turns out even just decent - LE going in the drain sorry

[halcyon hedge]

i just hope they will NOT let fkng streamers play the new class befor it releases, so there is already the BIS build out there ... and spoilers everywhere

[hoary shuttle]

A bit short sighted to say there is nothing? There are things there, meaning there is some content.

[half wind]

oh you bet, maxroll will have it all before it comes out

[halcyon hedge]

i hate that devs do this, makes their game a joke..

[brittle aurora]

if thats the case im literally selling my steam account with the game in it for 5$

[quick magnet]

Gurl, spoilers? about a class? You're gonna have to unplug if that's your bar

[halcyon hedge]

expansion, not only the class

the other 50% 😄

[quick magnet]

Oh no, the expansion isn't likely getting into anyone's hands ahead of release

[halcyon hedge]

yeah like befor on release 😄

[quick magnet]

The class itself? Wholly expect it

Mechanical aspects about things like this are the bread and butter of arpg theorycraft and they outnumber the general populace when it comes to hype spread

It's a marketing thing and keeping things too underwraps is a good way to sell nothing

[brittle aurora]

d4 season 11 starts in like two weeks, glad i will have to play something on christmas

[half wind]

thing is, all the streamers aka the unemployed, can hype up stuff better than any company can. so for sure they have it all upfront and make 100 youtube videos about it

[halcyon hedge]

games beeing solved befor they release is the worst that was done to gaming in general, imo

[quick magnet]

...? The streamers are literally working their jobs. That's why they're streamers.

[half wind]

agreed, it's hard to dodge aswell nowadays

[quick magnet]

Man, the hinges really are rickety in here

[quick magnet]

Sis it takes far more than a handful of content creators to solve a class

And that's not even counting multiple builds, which there will undoubtedly be

[tidal heart]

This is why I don’t get why the devs give themselves access to players. Could you imagine if during .2 someone could just ping Jonathan. This is why riot closed their forums

[quick magnet]

also you seem to assume they'd just dump all that info out there without restraint. Not all of them are eager to get those clicks like that. Plenty of them have integrity in this specific regard

[half wind]

wild to call something a job that has no contribution to society 😄

[quick magnet]

wow, ok, you really can just go into the bin and never come out

[half wind]

then I have something in common with the game

[quick magnet]

What a clown-shoes ass take

[halcyon hedge]

Ishiga you get payed to be the oneman army here?

[brittle aurora]

jt should be called paid hobby, not a job

[quick magnet]

I don't care if LE fails or not, I just lie people acting as if they have sense.

[exotic solar]

A person who plays video games belittles other people playing video games on a video game forum.

[spark flume]

people are mad they are not paid for it I guess

[quick magnet]

I'm actually similarly disappointed in the game's trajectory as you guys. I just prefer not going off the rails about it.

[spark flume]

why ? im curious

[quick magnet]

Because this is psychopathic

Nothing about this constant bile is healthy for anyone involved

[fringe thicket]

@quick magnet you sound like a troll farm agent. Just sain.

[clever hamlet]

constant doomer is not the way to go

[brittle aurora]

i like to rant, and dont really care because i wont Play next season after todays annoucment

[quick magnet]

Say what you please, I'm not the one pinging the devs and lecturing them about standards I know nothing about

[smoky pier]

i'm angry and you need to know. get angry.

[quick magnet]

Precisely. I'm not jumping on this bandwagon and you can be as irritable about it as you like, I care so little I could pass out.

[half wind]

we're the customers, we should critique and complain about stuff that we dont like, because in the end we paid to play this game.

[fringe thicket]

You got valid reasons for it. 👍

[quick magnet]

Absolutely valid to be upset.

[tidal heart]

I love LE news day. The LE community easily the most fun to watch.

[quick magnet]

But the constant denigration is already old and was pointless from jump

[fringe thicket]

Absolut.

[brittle aurora]

current plan : rant for a day or two about it -> get banned on this discord -> uninstall last epoch -> get back to normal

[halcyon hedge]

you forgot, rant on reddit about it 😄

[quick magnet]

Yeah that's a better place for it. Reddit has been a lost cause for years lmao

[errant marsh]

Paid class dlcs on top of paid expansion 🤡

[quick magnet]

???

[fringe thicket]

Who uses reddit or Twitter anyways??! 2% of your pop?!

[halcyon hedge]

wait you have to pay expansion + new class?

[quick magnet]

The expansion content is free

The class is the paid part

[halcyon hedge]

ah okay 😄

[clever hamlet]

expansion is free 🤡

[south moat]

The expansion is free if you already own the game

[fringe thicket]

XD

[tidal heart]

It’s so good. People are soooo mad about something they haven’t had to pay for yet. 🍿

[quick magnet]

Se how easy it can be spread bullshxt

[exotic solar]

You do if you dont already have the game when expansion comes out.

[simple bison]

Tbh to me if something that's not mtx has to be paid a class being the thing is best case scenario. It's obviously still not positive but it's the lesser of the possible evils. Like when D3 release the necromancer class as a dlc I didn't mind at all because I wasn't interested in it so I just didn't buy it. And if I were interested I'd be happy to buy it. Obviously the whole balance and incentive to make the paid classes stronger than the free ones is a whole thing but that's just speculation basically. All we can do is hope they don't giga juice the paid class

[smoky pier]

i heard that Mike is actually Jonathon in a suit.

like a Mike suit

[simple bison]

Basically the base price of the game might get raised

It sounds like you can't buy it without the expansion once it comes out

[clever hamlet]

true people are so mad for thing that aren't coming for like a year and they have no idea on how much it'll cost or if it'll happen again

[quick magnet]

The expansion is just part of the game

[simple bison]

So instead of 35 it might go up to 50 bucks or something. Pure speculation though

[quick magnet]

That's not a scenario that comes up here

[clever hamlet]

mike said that it shouldn't tho

[brittle aurora]

50 bucks is mental

[simple bison]

Or it might've just been worded poorly and it'll stay at 35

[fringe thicket]

The FULL content is the Expansion > DLC is just locked behind a paywall.

[quick magnet]

The base price of the game isn't going to change because the class isn't baked into it

[simple bison]

Oh then there you go

[tidal heart]

It’s so good. Like these are actual grown men some with families and I’m watching people legit act like their life is over because they might have to pay $15 for a new class in a $30 rpg 😂

[exotic solar]

I think problem is timing. Imagine this announcement after banger season 4 and 5 instead of krafton buy out and season nemessis reskin. They are asking for a favor after letting down people back to back many times.

[fringe thicket]

Cope to think they are 2 different things 😅

[quick magnet]

Some people are very hung up on their principles.

To a fault

[halcyon hedge]

life is rought out here man 😄 spending 45k on lost ark, cant spend 15 on new class-.-

[smoky pier]

correction - these are humans who incorrectly identify as gamers instead of humans.

[clever hamlet]

yea it's wild 😂

[fringe thicket]

Some love to take the shoe in their mouth instead just boot licking.

[simple bison]

Is it? Tbh I think it's reasonable. In early access I think 35 bucks was a good price but at this point I think they can charge more and it's still worth the price. I've gotten thousands of hours and years of updates out of the game and the only money I needed to spend was 35 bucks

[quick magnet]

We're not defending anyone. We're mocking the unhinged demeanor

This is why we are. the inability to self-reflect

[tidal heart]

Yeah I bought new silent hill the other day and finished it and it was $70

[fringe thicket]

Well gaslightning is all what is left.

[clever hamlet]

who's gaslighting who, nothing's out yet 😂

[spark flume]

what's 50 bucks?

[quick magnet]

Dont mind him, he just wants to be mad

[simple bison]

Nothing

[fringe thicket]

All is fine > house is burning 😂

[simple bison]

I was just making up hypotheticals

[smoky pier]

other video games, but not last epoch, at least currently.

[spark flume]

I see

i wasn't folowwing conversation

[clever hamlet]

what in the ChatGPT is happening today in this discord lmao

[halcyon hedge]

AI is taking over 😄

[quick magnet]

It'd be smarter than much of these responses

[tidal heart]

LE a fun game, devs if you reading this just charge what you gotta charge. Give me some good stuff to swipe for and I’ll swipe next season. Good luck.

[clever hamlet]

^

[fringe thicket]

Judgment day 👀😄

[halcyon hedge]

i bought the first few packs, but ahve to admit its nothing close to poe's shop.. i wouldve cashed much more xD

[fringe thicket]

EHG are sell outs. Straight to the point.

[tidal heart]

eh poe shop mid this last season, i bought both supporter packs and did not even use any of the new stuff, did not really like it, but did get new async tabs

[spark flume]

personally the paid classes really leave a bad state in my mouth but idk what else is happening beside that

[quick magnet]

Nothing

[tidal heart]

lmao if they said paid dlc it would have been same reaction

[quick magnet]

That's the entirety of the outrage

The whole thing

[spark flume]

idk i scrolled up and read about nemesis reskin season

[smoky pier]

My updated “should cost” answer (short)

If the studio must become profitable quickly and wants the least community friction: Base: USD $35–40; Major expansion: USD $15–25 (Option D).

If the studio wants to avoid new paywalls and is confident in volume: Base: USD $40–45 (Option A).

If they want to stay closest to current community expectations: Base: USD $30–35 + robust optional cosmetics and deluxe bundles (Option C), but that may be slower to reach profitability.

[fringe thicket]

Krafton Troll farm alert 💯

[smoky pier]

Thanks ChatGPT.

[quick magnet]

Yeah nothing else that anyone's said is anything but conjecture and whining

[spark flume]

I think they should make better and more skins or come up with another way to spend money than buying classes

[quick magnet]

All the info we have is in the forum post

[spark flume]

I hate the idea

[willow sentinel]

All what announced is

• free xpac
• paid classes
• 2 seasons before xpac

[quick magnet]

Well they need a bigger chunk faster than cosmetics can give them

[spark flume]

xpac ?

[willow sentinel]

Expansion

[spark flume]

2 season beforte expansion ? aren't season and expansion the same ?

[brittle aurora]

maybe in 3 years we will get something to do apart from aberroth

[quick magnet]

No

[simple bison]

Thing is box price will never be able to sustain it I don't think. Even if they made it 120 bucks

[smoky pier]

True. I can only assume Judd fed all their numbers into Grok and it told them what to do

[quick magnet]

The expansion is meant to be much larger than a typical season. That's why it's such a big deal

[spark flume]

I would prefer buy expansion than classes

[quick magnet]

The problem is people lack faith because of their disappointment with the game as it currently is

[spark flume]

personally

[quick magnet]

which is wholly valid but ultimately baseless

They're just not willing to take the bet on the future here

and really, really want everyone to know about that fact

[brittle aurora]

you are 100% correct

[simple bison]

Tbh I disagree

I think paid classes is better than paid content (as in farming content)

[smoky pier]

Maybe we can get Judd to become new Krafton CEO then he can fund his toy project forever. Let's do it people.

[spark flume]

the more you start to section off content the more annoying, confusing and expensive it get

[halcyon hedge]

you speculating?

[smoky pier]

Game is good. It just needs constant cash injection

[simple bison]

Because if stuff like crafting materials, uniques and whatever else start being behind paid content it would suck a whole lot more not having that than not having a class you're not interested in to begin with

[quick magnet]

No, I'm not speculating, that's why this is so special. It's being highlighted by the devs as something apart from seasons. That's the whole point.

[smoky pier]

Elon has his brain implants and space rockets. We can have our game.

[spark flume]

welcome to the new player logging in to find he doesn't have 14 classes/expansion that cost each x amount of stuff x) you have game I litterally don't try because of that like destiny

anyway not a big deal for now

[quick magnet]

Destiny's content model is the least of its problems

[halcyon hedge]

destiny was fire.. you buy expansion, come back 3 years later, expansion content deleted 😄

[simple bison]

And the same balance concerns apply to paid expansions. They'd have just as much incentive to make the paid expansions content op and the most efficient as they would making a paid class op. So to me a paid expansion is basically purely worse than a paid class

[smoky pier]

seems like a balanced assessment.

[quick magnet]

Boooo

[smoky pier]

True

Get outta here

[quick magnet]

tomatoes incoming

[simple bison]

At least with paid classes I can look at it and be like nah not my cup of tea I'm sticking to spellblade and then just not get it

If it was paid expansions I'd feel compelled to get them every time

Because its content I can do with the class I like

[smoky pier]

'sif you play anything other than spellblade anyway Cyborg! 😄

[quick magnet]

People just feel like it should be part of the baseline game but why is anyone's guess at this point.

[fringe thicket]

@quick magnet none of this. Both are digging deeper into their grave. FOCUS on visual sell able content got totaly lost on them. Their quality was BAD with a handfull ok options. NO ONE bought from the shop bc onlx trash in it.
• wondering WHY no cash flow between seasons.
The DCL will change norhing. Just a short term cash grab selling out their words ofc tust.

[simple bison]

But now I get that part for free

[simple bison]

Exactly, this is the best outcome for me

[smoky pier]

sekrit judd alt

[spark flume]

yeah the skin model didn't worked out but the skins mostly suck and were so bare

[simple bison]

Judd is a sorc main

[smoky pier]

well then there better be a paradox meteor

[simple bison]

There was a wolf meteor before

Does that work

[half wind]

just shows, you should not guarantee stuff that actually comes around and hurt you. the lead guy from EHG saying that expansions will be free is really hurting them now. it's basically on themselves that they are in this situation. I don't think there would be any outrage if they would've just shut up and just made a 20$ expansion

[smoky pier]

it's enough

[woeful folio]

This is a typical FOMO tactic they are doing. Daddy krafton forces its first FOMO on the players.
The class will be broken strong 100%

[fringe thicket]

I bought every supporter pack. Not 1 dime anymore for liars.

[quick magnet]

you don't know that

[simple bison]

What's the fomo? It's not limited time or supply

[spark flume]

what did they lie about ?

[smoky pier]

LIES FALLACIES UNTRUTHS

[quick magnet]

It's the fact that he assumes they'll make the class overpowered on purpose

so he's sort of paranoid about the FOMO aspect

[fringe thicket]

Never to sell any kind of dlc, expantion.

[spark flume]

they kinda lost a lot of good faith i guess

[buoyant steeple]

I just seen the update and im sorry paid classes?? So much wrong with that but imo finish the campaign and make the game not feel like an unrecognizable beta, welp Druid poe2 here i come

[quick magnet]

Hell, in fairness, some people experience FOMO for much smaller things than others.

[half wind]

theres no shot they don't make it OP, why would anyone buy it ???

[smoky pier]

a roadmap inspired by Jabba the Hutt's minion, Fallacious Crummy!

[spark flume]

yeah im disappointed too

[quick magnet]

Just seeing someone with the class and they don't have it is enough to cause some folks anxiety

[simple bison]

Because it's cool and fun? I would buy it even if it's mid

[brittle aurora]

they will be super op

[simple bison]

I play spellblade lul

[quick magnet]

To legit get that, but also, you're not special

You're not the anchor capitalism revolves around

[smoky pier]

🌼 yes i am

[quick magnet]

I wish

[smoky pier]

make me grole class now Judd

[winter mango]

I would understand if I paid for early access and needed to pay again to play full release. Now they want me to pay a second time already just to play the early access? Wtf?!

[buoyant steeple]

If the game felt like it was in a good spot I’d still be like damn crazy there pay walling it but I’d be more willing to spend, in the current state theres 0 chance

[winter mango]

The full EA*

[simple bison]

They need a steady source of income. Even if they made you pay 200 bucks for 1.0 it would eventually die

[spark flume]

ngl I would even prefer paying a sub than classes xD (yeah im used to mmo)

[quick magnet]

I'm sorry, no????

[winter mango]

So now I need to pay for their inability to plan the business?

[smoky pier]

I want to pay more for less Ishiga

[quick magnet]

where are people getting this nonsense

[smoky pier]

what don't you get

[simple bison]

You don't need to do anything. You can if you feel it's worth it

[spark flume]

that's personal preference, i prefer paying a sub than 30 classes separately

[winter mango]

It's just so sad man, other titles are paid once and they don't try to grab more cash

[smoky pier]

Hot take - if you don't like it, don't pay. Then, the game fails and the world keeps spinning.

[quick magnet]

Yeah, non-live games do that

[woeful folio]

Then they should have taken notes and not release damn ugly mtx. Community saying this for longer that this shit in the shop is trash

[simple bison]

Which live service game are you talking about?

[quick magnet]

This is a live service trying to stay alive.

[quick magnet]

There's no accounting for taste.

What you don't like, someone else will

[simple bison]

I don't disagree but I guess they decided they just couldn't make it happen

[main quiver]

Paying for classes/specs is really bad because ofcourse they are going to make the new class or spec the most fun or the strongest to play, because they want as many people as possible to buy it. All their effort will go into those new classes/spece

[spark flume]

I knew they going in a wall with their skins, I was always wondering how they get money

[simple bison]

The same argument can be had for paid content

[buoyant steeple]

This has to be ragebait, Poe, Warframe, where winds meet, list goes on and on of free games that dont paywall content

[quick magnet]

Yeah this is not rooted in reality, i agree

[main frigate]

I paid to EHG by my artworks because I can help nothing about real money :)

[simple bison]

Paid anything that has impact on gameplay has the incentive of being better than the norm for the devs

[winter mango]

Sadly LE is the worst one of POE 1 + 2 and Last Epoch. Well POE2 just needed to be paid once and will be free on release.
I played one Season of last epoch and then there was no content to really do anything and now they want me to pay again 🙁

[smoky pier]

I hope they are inspired by the Runemaster. Bring on the jank I say

[simple bison]

It's not specific to classes

[low moon]

Its a double edged sword. Paid class weak ? No one buys, paid class strong ? P2W

[woeful folio]

And thats sadly the beginning of p2w features

[simple bison]

Poe sustains itself on stash tab purchases

[low moon]

its unhealthy

[winter mango]

I paid for the game, already so now it's not paid anything, but double paid anything

[spark flume]

and they make great skins which is where come most of the money

[low moon]

id rather buy tabs than acual classes

[smoky pier]

holy fk imagine having to buy tabs in LE. They would make so much money/angry

[brittle aurora]

paid class feels like something you would encounter on a roblox rpg server

[exotic solar]

They stated many times stash tab purchases are minority of their incomes and they dont add new stash tab leagues for a while.

[winter mango]

I know and that's how I don't need to double pay for the druid and 12.12.

[low moon]

Its just D3 formula, and oh boy the necromancer patch was such a success amirite ?

[main quiver]

Yes, and it's why shit like that is bad. Personally I even dislike skins etc behind a paywall because its so much better when they are prestige/achievement things. But it doesn't affect gameplay so thats why I can compensate on that. Locking classes and specs behind paywall opens the door to paywalling anything imo.

[smoky pier]

minion players in tatters

[fringe thicket]

Maybr i can even get a refund since the selling reason changed ny breaking their false advertisment of the game > 1 price = all future content included with pointing out never payed DLC.
Maybe the EU should look into it as well.

[simple bison]

I actually don't know if that's true. I feel like it might not be. I think it's either close or stash tabs win out

[spark flume]

im almosit sure it is, skin are way more expensive and the packs can be worth hundreds of dollars, I bought a few

[exotic solar]

It is true sadly. There are unique cosmetics that makes you go "gotta have this" feeling.

[simple bison]

You have to consider that in Poe people who buy lots of cosmetics are like the 0.1%. while almost everyone who gets to endgame buys stash tabs

So even if that 0.1% spends like 50x the amount the stash tabs would still win

[spark flume]

but stash tabs you do it once and rarely increase them whil skins you always need the new one kinda

[winter mango]

Yeah and everyone even playing level 2 of LE has paid already, I don't see me paying again. This game had potential

[woeful folio]

I have not spend a dime on tabs in the last 3 years but have on mtx every league. I think u huffing some copium here. Mtx is the main income

[simple bison]

I mean they release new tabs from time to time, that on top of people making new accounts since it's free and buying tabs on those accounts (bots and stuff actually profit ehg because of this) provide a steady source of income

[brittle hollow]

that's false. The expansion will be included with any new purchase of the game. it's very clear.

[brittle aurora]

or is it

are you so sure about that

[exotic solar]

There is limited ammount of stash tabs a normal person can use. They innovate on cosmetics. Just google poe plifering ring and read what it does. You will understand what we mean by cosmetics.

[spark flume]

regardless the fault doesn't lie in the model but the quality and quantity of their skins to me

[simple bison]

I don't disagree

Simply put they couldn't make cosmetics work

So they need to pivot

[brittle hollow]

Yes. And I quote:

New players and PlayStation 5 players will be purchasing Last Epoch, all of its seasonal content, and the Orobyss expansion as one updated purchase.

[winter mango]

Make better skin, get steady income. Would not be the first company to get this done, and that's truly optional and fine I guess

[spark flume]

idk why, poe can do it

[simple bison]

They don't

[lapis steppe]

they've put very little effort into this

[simple bison]

Stash tabs are a huge part of Poe's monetization

And it's not the same as a box price

[spark flume]

I've felt like this also

he got poofed

[simple bison]

Don't ping ehg members please

Mike is on paternity leave and it's after midnight for him

[fringe thicket]

No, it is not allowed in the EU to advertise a product as being complete and then sell it with DLC that was not disclosed, as this is considered a misleading commercial practice and a violation of EU consumer law. This applies particularly to digital content, where new rules grant consumers rights to solutions like refunds for defective products. Advertising that misleads consumers about the contents or features of a product is illegal.

[exotic solar]

Have you ever played poe or do you have any idea how long has been they released a new stash tab?

[simple bison]

I have I think 8k hours in poe

[smoky pier]

They released one with the most recent patch

[simple bison]

Well, between 1 and 2

[smoky pier]

The merchant tab is new

[woeful folio]

Brother is on to somethimg

[lapis steppe]

the 35 euros that LE costs is a huge part of their monetization

[exotic solar]

And you know they dont release new stash tabs for few years and league content has its own free stash tab. Why are you lying

[lapis steppe]

that doesn't mean EHG has put enough effort into making skins work

[brittle hollow]

Brother is quoting ChatGPT AND spoon feading it misleading questions...

[brittle aurora]

good

[simple bison]

What did I lie about? I just said they release them from time to time. I didn't say they do it all the time or that you need to keep buying new stash tabs or you get left behind or anything

[fringe thicket]

Misleading advertising is illegal: EU law prohibits misleading advertising that could lead consumers to make a purchase they otherwise wouldn't have.
Digital content and contracts: The EU's Digital Content Directive and Sale of Goods Directive protect consumers who purchase digital content or goods with digital elements.
Consumer rights: If a product or digital content is sold with misleading information about its features or completeness, consumers have legal rights.

[low moon]

Based

[lapis steppe]

I think everyone knows the base price for LE = the necesary stash tabs for POE, so it's not really a valid argument for making skins work, or other visual products

[simple bison]

This isn't the case for le though?

[sturdy hare]

They announced the paid dlc prior to release so this is moot. by your lkogic, no game could ever have paid content in it's entire lifespan

[main quiver]

I mean stash tabs don't come close to €35. So if you take the LE initial cost into the calculation PoE doesn't come close to it with their stashtabs

[exotic solar]

They literally stated that stash tab income is minusclue and they dont plan to release a stash tabs on league content.

[brittle hollow]

Also.. they are currently selling the product with the correct information.. Once the expansion comes out it will be included in the purchase.. there is 0 "misleading" information about its features or completeness.

[exotic solar]

And they dont release since then

[smoky pier]

Merchant tab is new

[fringe thicket]

They announced from KICKSTARTER ON never paid dlc & expantions.

[low moon]

Ive spent give or take 60€ on poe stashtabs, and I play since ambush. Tabs are not why I buy supporter packs, its quality good mtx

[inner finch]

Oh sweet summer child

[simple bison]

Really? That surprises me ngl

[exotic solar]

You go in website and convert your existing tabs with one click and no cost.

[sturdy hare]

again, you cannot hold a company to a statement made years prior to release. situastions change. you are being extremely weird about this.

[brittle hollow]

did they sign a binding agreement with anyone about that? or because they announced it on Kickstarter they must obey?

[smoky pier]

or you buy them

because you don't want to convert

[brittle aurora]

law is law

[fringe thicket]

False advertisment with broken selling point.

[lapis steppe]

it's okay to be upset when someone makes you a promise and doesn't hold up their end of the bargain

[woeful folio]

It cout s as written contract. Law is law

[simple bison]

Products are allowed to change over time. This is not what the false advertising law is about

[lapis steppe]

what's not okay is for someone to lie to u for u to be like, nah, situations change, it's okay

[sturdy hare]

that woukld never stand in court. this idea that if you EVER say there will be no paid dlc at any point, then you can never, ever make any even years down the line or the EU will try to fine you, is absurd

[simple bison]

The law is basically if I tell you my chocolate has 5 grams of sugar but it has 20 grams

[fringe thicket]

Effectiv as soon I dun get fulll content.

[sturdy hare]

please live in reality

[fringe thicket]

It will 😎

[smoky pier]

Don't feed the trolls. All their energy is hoovered up to make more paid DLC for D4

[sturdy hare]

the law doesn't work how you think it does.

[brittle hollow]

I have no words to describe this.. quoting chat gpt and maintaining that they are 100% correct.. I now get the phrase, go touch grass..

[smoky pier]

Grass makes me itchy

You know what doesn't.... video games

[lapis steppe]

when's the next ehg stream?

[brittle hollow]

but it will bring them to reality 😄

[fringe thicket]

We will see... I'll make some calls. As a German I'll will take the steps.

[sturdy hare]

you really are a miserable people

[simple bison]

Not this Friday but the one after

[strange tusk]

No need to stress about it, do what I’m doing- put a reminder in for December 2026, play other stuff until then and have a look at where the game is at / pricing etc at the end of next year.