#💬┃general

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storm pawn
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think I need a break from the game, all I am doing now is just chasing loot , and it's really not that fun, what's the point of chasing the lot, so I show off my epeen? campaign was fun, enjoyed that, got to level 89 but monos are just a pain, to get the loot, you have to grind for a chance to get the loot to drop, I'll come back but just I need a break

plain sequoia
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I felt the same bro dont worry

loud fable
silk wolf
loud fable
# silk wolf I tought we were playing an arpg?

We are. But if any of the companies want to move past their largely stagnant, but still relatively big numbers (and they must, because of competition everywhere, both outside and inside), they will have to give people something more than what I'd say is slop.

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Very good slop, of course, but it can only last for so long.

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Not sure if my proposed solution is what needs to be done, but clearly something needs to be done.

silk wolf
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You want the game to not be an arpg?

loud fable
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No. Sorry, I made the wrong assumption, thinking I explained what the solution is. Keep what we have, introduce an Uber/MMO-like boss every season - a threat that solves multiple issues across the progression & rewards slope, and then also adds to the story. It doesn't have to be 10 mins long, it just has to exist so that there's a reason for you doing all this. The Normal version (which is what most people will be doing) is where their focus should be, I was saying "Uber-like" just in name - just something to make you think and farm for.

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...did you not read a single detail of what I posted?

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Ah, forget it.

silk wolf
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I did. Sorry I might have missunderstood

steel mesa
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I agree especially with how much power creep they've thrown at the game after uber abberoth's release. We need new challenging content.

cobalt fable
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any gigachads in the chat?

lyric cargo
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Ya bro gogachad checking in

tender marsh
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I do hope that alongside the expansion a bunch of skills get buffed or new uniques to improve them get added. Because there are a mountain of underperforming skills currently

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Maybe some new "branching paths" for some skills? like swipe being able to convert to cold finally for polar bear druid

willow sentinel
storm pawn
willow sentinel
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Then you have a pretty clear and interesting objective ahead, no?

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One that require a bit of grind but not an insane amount

storm pawn
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so I spend more time, grinding away to kill a single boss that does what? Respawns and I have till again for what?

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if it was the end of the game

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that played a movie or something sure

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but all it does it drops loot, awesome job, start again

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the thing with the loot as well, OK you get 1 lp, not good enough, so you push for two, meh, three, now it;s getting rare, but you know there is a 4lp, but why

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why is the question, mmos, cool helps raiding with the team, this makes it a little easier? Maybe I've reached that point in my life where I'd rather do other stuff than grind for a chance that an item might drop sp I can show off

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Other people love, that, good for them

willow sentinel
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I mean, it's kinda the whole point of the game, no?
Grinding until you can beat the next boss, see if your build can do it, then aim for the next one, and so on?

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At least that's why I play

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The story is a fun reason to do it
The lore behind Abberoth is pretty cool.

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But in the end I just want to see if I am able to beat him, and the next challenge.

alpine depot
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That comment seems kinda bait tbh. Having a goal to manage to kill uber aberroth in itself is a fulfilling thing to do

storm pawn
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and I am glad you like that, but it;s not for me

alpine depot
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If you don't want the gear then that's perfectly fine but you'll most likely feel satisfied to have managed to bring him down

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It's actually quite challenging if you're playing CoF

glass pendant
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You can get completely decked out with both factions, thanks to all the QoL season 2 brought

alpine depot
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I don't think this specific player would get decked out but yes it's possible

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It's actually more enjoyable to fight abby without being fully built too

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Like without the gear he drops and multiple exalted slam on every unique

glass pendant
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I'm just saying, it's no longer the case that cof holds you back with insufferable rng. You can target farm everything in the game very reliably

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How hard you wanna push is up to you

alpine depot
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Yeah it's become really good for CoF too

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Since we have weaver and imprints

glass pendant
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Ever since s2 we have seen numerable near minmaxed characters in both cof and mg that took a comparable amount of time to kit out from zero

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Imo itemization has never been more balanced

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Power levels on the other hand...

alpine depot
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The only thing i think trade would win on is being able to get uber abby items before downing him?

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I've never played trade so i would not know

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If they gatekeep that or something somehow

glass pendant
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Oh for sure. But the strongest builds in the game currently destroy him with 1lps so if your goal is Uber items, you can just season start something strong to gear up something more niche

alpine depot
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That's fair but just in general i think that's the only thing that could justify trade being ever so slightly better

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Gloves and relic are kinda broken

glass pendant
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it comes with a cost. You never know when the market dies out. A season may be huge and encourage retention

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Another season might be smaller and people won't stick around

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Market empties out, mg becomes weaker

alpine depot
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Are these uber items going for crazy prices

glass pendant
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Two sides to each coin

alpine depot
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I'd assume so

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At least initially

glass pendant
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This season no, market is super super balanced

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Idk what magic they pulled but

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No gold dupes

alpine depot
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That's good to hear

glass pendant
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Last season was a mess

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Almost everything went for gold cap

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Let's hope they keep things in check going forward

alpine depot
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I hope we see more pinnacle content

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That's what's holding the game back for now. Rest of the base game and the gameplay loop is actually pretty good

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s2 brought a really good loop to play within

willow sentinel
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Yeah we need smth to do between Abby and uber Abby

alpine depot
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s3 is kinda ass though let's be real

glass pendant
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There's a little imbalance between maps but it's alright. There are some maps that are like 10-20 times more profitable than everything else

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Imo base maps should be more valuable

willow sentinel
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The gap is pretty big

alpine depot
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Like farming embers with the strats

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Cause ultimately we all end up spamming nemesis towers and the chest map

glass pendant
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Both. There's both tech for sick amber generation and a huge amount of imprint proc sources

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I'm not saying that's not fun. I love optimization as much as the next person

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My gripe is how much stronger those things are compared to other activities

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I wish other maps weren't near useless

alpine depot
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I think this level of opti is like really good for people chasing multi exalted items to slam or wear but for the average player it's not that big of a deal

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Since getting a regular 2-3lp item witha single exalt

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Is not needing any sorts of shennanigans

glass pendant
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There will always be a stronger strategy. The problem is when that strategy is a dozen times stronger than alternatives

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Hell, than the second best thing even

alpine depot
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Yeah it's miles ahead as a strat

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But it's really only if you want to get the best of the best gear

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Which in reality is not needed and the average player wont chase that

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I think at least

glass pendant
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When the main gameplay loop is literally loot labels on the ground over and over with 0 exploration/story

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Gearing is unavoidably everyone's focus

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That's what these games are

alpine depot
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I get that, all i'm saying is these strategies are miles ahead to get multi exalted but that's pretty much it. If someone is not chasing that these strats wont change anything

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At least in CoF getting your single exalt slams is extremely easy with just prophecies

glass pendant
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The current strategies are easy to pull if by just about anyone since they're very strong in all levels of corruption. What I'm doing at 2k, someone can do at 400 and get very respectable gear since corruption contributes very little to LP odds

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What you'll be doing is what I'll be doing, just for a shorter amount of time, if your goal is 1lps and not say 3lps

alpine depot
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Lps are extremely easy to get in CoF unless we're talking uber uniques

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What we can't get is good bases to slam

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So that's where we need those nemesis and imprint spam

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And then you end up only doing that cause nothing else will give it to you

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So it do be kinda boring

glass pendant
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It still doesn't go from 0 to infinity. It's not like your double t7 can't proc from a 500c nemesis. And even if that's not your goal, t7t6 basically drop like candy even at low corruption

alpine depot
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Yeah in nemesis

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It's actually crazy how often they show up

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Idk how they could fix that issue

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Maybe rework some of these maps from s2

glass pendant
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Ultimately, unless gearing up is being intentionally gated behind endgame bosses (which EHG doesn't want it to be the case since they dislike entire layers of gear locked behind endgame content), there will almost never be a case where a mandatory piece of your kit will be out of your reach.

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You can get enigma for your lb mage at any point because you need it for your build

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Shattered worlds, you don't need, but it'll scale you when you do get it

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They made Uber loot strong but not build defining on purpose

alpine depot
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Yeah it's generic

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But good

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That's a fair design decision

glass pendant
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They received a lot of praise for that, and I think those kinds of ideas will ultimately help the game roll down the right path

alpine depot
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I'd kinda vibe with uber version of the current dungeon bosses

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Julra in particular with new mechanics, more dmg and an actual hp bar

glass pendant
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people have suggested hard mode timeline bosses before

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Rahyeh on roids

alpine depot
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That's also an idea

glass pendant
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Serving void pizza like he's getting paid

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I can see that

alpine depot
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My vk still can't tank that pizza at 2k corruption with multi exalted slams 💀

willow sentinel
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Just press smoke bomb and become invulnerable to hits
Easy 😏😏

glass pendant
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Some timeline boss skills imo are cripplingly slow, and that's showing their age. Those meatballs in the shamans fight move slower than a zombie

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willow sentinel
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Sorry sir, I only play dw build

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Not sure what you are talking about

glass pendant
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all the reflect shamans right now being offended to the core

willow sentinel
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Reflect 🤢🤢🤮

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God I hate that build

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Maybe even more than Falconer

glass pendant
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that's a first 😋

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But I agree

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My biggest issue with reflect is that people treat it like a god build when single target dps is passable at best

willow sentinel
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My problem is that you don't need to play the game

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To play the game

alpine depot
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What's the best ST dps rn

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Like bear?

willow sentinel
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And still have better clear

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Than most

glass pendant
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But it's a bug

alpine depot
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Aint no way

willow sentinel
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Got fixed though

glass pendant
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It did already? Go EHG

alpine depot
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What's the real one in that case

tender marsh
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the new reflect build is a literal SUPER VERSION of Righteous fire from PoE1. Even top level players are using it to turbo farm materials and gear for their actual "mains". It is completely cancerous to the game currently

willow sentinel
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Bear, maybe abom?

glass pendant
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probably bear> flay> flask

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No abom is like 40sec I think

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Close to flask

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Unless some gigachad pushed it lower

willow sentinel
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I thought it was supposed to be able to os uber

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Meh

tender marsh
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Because if you aren't using a reflect build to farm all the stuff for your main character you are seen as a idiot. This chest needs to be GIGA NERFED

glass pendant
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40s was the fastest vid I've seen maybe someone came up with something broken

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It's hard to stay up to date with everything

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My ethical umbrals kill uber in only 1 min omegalul

willow sentinel
glass pendant
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In the endgame clear speed gets diminishing returns by chests

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Fastest build = fastest chest clicker

alpine depot
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So true

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And so sad

glass pendant
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Yeah that's basically my main complaint from mapping

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Buff the random mobs imprint

willow sentinel
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I remember when EHG nerfed Static Orb orbiting small Orbs because it was too much of a walking simulator

glass pendant
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It's crazy low

alpine depot
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See usually that's when i jsut stop the season

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Once you beat abberoth and you're kinda decked out

tender marsh
alpine depot
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Aint no way im just clicking chests

glass pendant
willow sentinel
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And now we got reflect chest

glass pendant
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The numlock thing

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With vit stack

willow sentinel
glass pendant
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😭

willow sentinel
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Crit Orbiting DOrb can do 1k+ Corruption

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With 1lp slam

glass pendant
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You can say a lot of things about falconers but sentinels out there casting more spells than mages I swear

willow sentinel
glass pendant
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Speedfarming lost its meaning currently

alpine depot
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Lowkey remove chest imprint and make imprints from killing monsters procc more with more kills

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Or something

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Could scale with corruption

glass pendant
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I had a more balanced idea

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3 chests per regular map

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You get much of everything

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And yeet troves

alpine depot
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Removing trove is probably the play as long as this imprint exists

glass pendant
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If there's no consistent chest sources, the imprint dies

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It's relevant only because of troves

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And I don't want it to die

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I think 3 chests/map is fair

alpine depot
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The other problem is nemesis is the only source of really good exalted items and it's not even close. So that's another thing where you must spend most of your time in

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Problem is they can't make these items super accessible everywhere

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So i don't even know what the play is

glass pendant
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I do believe that all of that itemization power dynamic should shift to regular kills

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Currently random drops have very low to almost no value

alpine depot
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They have none

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precisely

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Even prophecies have 0 value in the end game for exalted items

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Literally useless

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And it's supposed to be the core mechanic for CoF

glass pendant
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Yeah, prophecies are literally reroll fodder for gauntlet

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It's sad

alpine depot
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They are very very good to get to the 1-2lp point

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With a single t7

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Then it,s useless

glass pendant
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They're good to provide you with your first imprint to build upon

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Any future pops are reroll fodder (if you lucked out higher lp pops of your desired lp)

alpine depot
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They could probably im prove the proph system to scale to the end game

glass pendant
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Or just nemesis fodder for the 0lps

alpine depot
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Like very pricey ones that actually gives you real end game drops

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Cause iirc you can stack up to 1m at least

glass pendant
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I think cof prophecies could stay exactly as is with simple UI changes. If I don't take 10 business days to empty out my favor, they're suddenly way stronger because I can pop a mill favor in minutes

alpine depot
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Of these points

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That would be a good way to make you want to spend it if they had actual late late game version that cost a whole lot

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But that also rewards you with multi exalted

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Or enhanced chances to find the rare uniques

glass pendant
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Yeah because currently cof players play 70% hover over bubbles/30% kill mobs

alpine depot
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Yeah and on top of that you tend to slam all your prochecies on like a boss or two and just pop a ton of em at the same time

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So it can be even worse of a split than 70/30

glass pendant
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also forced to skip the crazy slow ones. Nobody's gonna pick lagon and die of old age having to sit through all those tentacle phases

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Rather reroll more to pick up things that exist in my maps

alpine depot
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Idk why we can't one shot lagon

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That's kinda dumb

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BUt yeah prophecies in general need a revamp

glass pendant
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Mandatory glorified cutscenes in this game drive me crazy I swear. Aberroth's rp is another big one 😭

alpine depot
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A lot of them are also not even worth picking up like the ones that give 1lp or something

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Super costly for basically nothing since it's like 1 item

glass pendant
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Really game

alpine depot
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Yep

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This and i'm like 90% sure you can't get havoc runes prophecies

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When you can get creation

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So i think they just forgor to add it after they created them

glass pendant
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Neither havoc not redemption

alpine depot
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A lot thing is wrong

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of*

glass pendant
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As of recent there was no minor woven lenses either, they repurposed the previously lagonian ones

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Mana stackers were having a field day

alpine depot
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Yeah the entire idol/rune tab is currently not it

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The lenses are sub optimal

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Trying to get havoc runes from that window was pure pain and despair

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I needed to find regular runes prophecies but iirc you can't even put a rune lens

glass pendant
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A good point I saw brought up is that a lot of cof's current problems can be solved with giga lenses that can be intentionally a little pricier than what they give, but ad a real multiplier like 4x

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Add*

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Get 4x loot for 5x cost

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I'd take that

alpine depot
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Yeah that's good in a way but it won't solve the problem that in the very late game the rewards are not even worth it anymore

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Nemesis/imprints too strong

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Even your first imprint will come from nemesis so they literally become a none mechanic

glass pendant
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It could be argued that you can force better loot with numbers if you waste less time spending that prophecy but yeah it's still nowhere near as god

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Good*

alpine depot
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I'm hopeful that they'll figure that out

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It's just a system that's aging and the game is evolving

glass pendant
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When cof becomes fun to play in a way that it doesn't feel like a chore to pull your rewards, I'll probably go back to sinking a lot of time into the game even before more content gets added

alpine depot
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They did add the

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Multiplicative lens

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It's not remotely as good as it could be but it did help vs season 1

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So you're up to something with the 4x

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Cause i have this lens slotted in 100% of the time

glass pendant
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I just feel like the idea of "pay for this level of convenience with more favor" will not feel like a ripoff when I can go back to grinding favor sooner. Endgame players have no issue favor capping like it's nothing

alpine depot
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Also i was kinda thinking, why is it even rng what you see? At this point why not let the player buy the prophecies they want from a window instead of wasting time rerolling

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Literally i get that they want to make it "exciting" but it ends up being the complete opposite

glass pendant
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I don't think it'll ever not be rng because the lore behind it is that it's a hybrid between astrology and astronomy

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It's built around rolling

alpine depot
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💀

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Another pain point is the forging potential in the game

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Why are the items coming out of nemesis at like 55+

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When everything else is at 30+

glass pendant
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The astronomy part is looking at the stars. The astrology part is .. looking at the stars... yeah

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Not a fan either not gonna lie

alpine depot
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The new runes made it so we can try dumb and crazy shit

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But the FP is jsut not there to try it

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Honestly could be buffed cause the odds of making those runes work is pretty damn low even with nemesis items

glass pendant
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We had a very big conversation a while ago about the fact that the most glaring crafting imbalances right now is rune if evolution asking for an arm and a leg FP wise (big FP cost and forcing a glyph of order, sacrificing hope, and still being 50/50 on double t7) and glyph of envy not being a rune which is a miss

alpine depot
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Bruh you don't say

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I never managed to make my leonine

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With just full t5

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Too many hoops to go through with primordial

glass pendant
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You proc your imprint, havoc into the t7 you want, evolution, fill the empty slot with a t5, and maybe fix the ranges of everything including implicits. It gets crazier if you wanna swap base/add a regular sealed slot. And yes you won't have to do all of that on a single item but evolution/order+ refill with t5 alone kills FP

alpine depot
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Yeah basically that was my thought process

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I kinda stopped trying on anything that did not have my base

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Cause realistically since envy is not a rune then you don't have the hope glyph on

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Therefore you lose everything everytime

glass pendant
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envy eats fp because of no hope, evolution eats fp because of no hope

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It's a mess

alpine depot
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Yeah

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And the basic manipulation even if you do have hope on every moves on a good base to get a primordial exalted with only t5 is just too much

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You'll run out of FP before you get all you need

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And i'm not even considering wanting a good sealed affix

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Even if you don't give a shit about the sealed one

glass pendant
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Either roll single digit fp 6 times in a row or pray for hope to proc

alpine depot
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Idk if a glyph that manipulates the cost of FP would be good

glass pendant
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I've seen the counter argument of "if you could have 6 good affixes easily the item would be too strong". Meanwhile primordials can be minmaxed, optimized, gotten with high lp and have t7s added in them

alpine depot
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Hope might be a bit too rng at this point

glass pendant
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Even a perfect exalted is very debatable as to whether it carries even a fraction of the power a primordial with t7s does

alpine depot
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I'm ok with the 50/50 for the t7 it takes

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I think off the rip that's a nice gamba

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alpine depot
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But hell if i land it, please let me craft in peace

alpine depot
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I'm okay with it being tricky

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But the fact that i never managed in maybe 100+ hours of very efficient playtime is not normal

glass pendant
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If the limitation was intentional, I think there was a miscalculation in the perceived power between a near maxed out primordial exalted vs a primordial unique with decent lp

willow sentinel
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How about we forego hope, and just get more FP, like double?

alpine depot
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Might aswell do that since hope proccs roughly 0% of the time

willow sentinel
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I feel like hope are just obnoxious

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willow sentinel
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But if you started from 100-120 FP?

alpine depot
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They could add a mechanic to the primordial rune where it affects the FP of future craft of the items once it hits

glass pendant
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That will never ever happen. That'll make double t7 crafting for slamming a complete joke

glass pendant
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And if that's too strong just make it take 0fp

alpine depot
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This or like

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Discount the future craft post rune

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By a flat amount

glass pendant
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Or post t8, make hope hit 50%

alpine depot
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Yeah anything really

glass pendant
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And thus no itemization changes

alpine depot
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To help give you some hope

glass pendant
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Less workload too

alpine depot
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We're coping they'll never change that

glass pendant
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I do believe Evo will be balanced s4

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It's a very loud topic

alpine depot
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Did they mention anything fr

glass pendant
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They never do but things that get discussed 24/7 do usually see change

alpine depot
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That'd be wonderful

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They did change some details that were making me go crazy in s2 with prophecies so maybe there's actual hope

glass pendant
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And it's the type of change that only affects the endgame. New players don't have access to double t7s and a bucket of runes of Evo to gamba, so it doesn't hurt early game balance

alpine depot
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The non unique icons for armor/jewelry in prophecy window

glass pendant
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It would only help out t8 crafting

alpine depot
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Was so cringe

alpine depot
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After using 3 redemption on this random ass nemesis item

glass pendant
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So many havocs down the drain even when I knew the odds were nearing zero

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Sweaty gaming is full of copium

alpine depot
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So true

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Thats why i want havoc prohecies

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despairge

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Redemption are kinda ass but havoc are priceless

glass pendant
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Let me kill mobs so I can havoc more so I can kill bigger mobs so I can havoc even more

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Mr dev I am not gambling hard enough

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Help

alpine depot
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Those havoc runes are so cool for real

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Makes making loot filter kinda hell once you start to figure it out

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But it's all worth it

glass pendant
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In all honesty, I do not miss having 30 exalted rules

alpine depot
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In trade?

glass pendant
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Cof. Pre imprints it was "boots with this boots with that boots with something else" times all of the kit

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Ended up being 30 filter rules just for exalts

alpine depot
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Oh

glass pendant
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Now it's just "any armor with at least two t7s out of 465 affixes" 😭

alpine depot
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I always just ended up making a single rule per item slot

glass pendant
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No shame

alpine depot
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And just editing my rule to make it more strict as i go

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Like at a certain point if i'm ready to only see the good base then you tweak it

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But now it's a bit monka with the fact that you can swap the main stats on items and havoc exist

glass pendant
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Metagame is so unique centric that the moment I'm full 1lp, all of the exalt rules go away and are replaced with one I'll drop havoc on

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My filter before I stopped for s3 was 12 idol rules, 1 exalt rule and 5 unique ones

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And the usual hide stuff

alpine depot
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My havoc rules were pretty stric and per slot still

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Like i still wanted to have at the very least some stats i wanted on it from the get go

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And at least a t7 and a t6

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So you're telling me you were gambling on every single multi exalt items

glass pendant
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I told myself if I add a particular stat for something with 2 purple stats on it, I'm hiding the majority of loot that I can redemption

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Yes every single one

alpine depot
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Oh god

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Yeah no that's psychotic

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lmao

glass pendant
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I sat down, did 200 ubers, got like 600 havocs

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And then went ham

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momma ain't raise no chicken 💪😭

alpine depot
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How many hours did you log in that game if you don't mind me asking

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Since release

glass pendant
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The majority of my game time has been s2 onwards, but I've been playing since before multiplayer

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Right now at 1200 hours but I played s3 for only 2 weeks

alpine depot
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1200 is not bad at all

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Precisely twice my hours

glass pendant
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Nowhere near some of the beasts lurking around in this server

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Some guys have 3k+

alpine depot
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That,s insane

glass pendant
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there's no game on earth that I want succeeding more than LE

carmine smelt
glass pendant
carmine smelt
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I mean not really, a lot of people have more hours than me

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well maybe not "a lot"

glass pendant
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Willing to bet they can be counted

carmine smelt
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dreadful at like 10k or whatever

alpine depot
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3k has to be like 0.1% of the playerbase still

glass pendant
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Is anyone anywhere near close to dread

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Nobody's that mad I swear

carmine smelt
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I'd guess lizard and some ogs are probably up there

glass pendant
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Probably

carmine smelt
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I started in 0.9 so not even that long ago

glass pendant
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I feel like 10k is way above and beyond even by content creation standards

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He grinds like a bucket of gears

carmine smelt
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I could be wrong on the number, idk

glass pendant
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It does feel accurate intuitively

carmine smelt
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there's a lot of dudes that quietly grind way harder, they just don't make content

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people with way crazier gear than I have

glass pendant
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It took me 7 years of nonstop grinding and 6/7 days a week raiding in guild wars 2 to reach 9k hours and that was only thanks to having a guild to play with and raiding till past midnight during the nolife college days

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Hitting 5 digit solo

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In a game with no open world

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Unfathomable

carmine smelt
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I did that with PoE back in the day

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Would be cool to someday get there with LE

glass pendant
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I'd love to see it get to a point where there's layers upon layers of itemization avenues

carmine smelt
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yea same, currently just feels like there isn't any consideration put into the post 1LP experience

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its there if you want to do it, but all the mechanics just don't feel designed for that part of the game

alpine depot
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And getting to 1lp now takes like no time since it's guaranteed

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So if you really want it, the season can be extremely short

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Really good change though

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That 1/4 was cursed

glass pendant
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Endgame boss fights must take a metric ton of resources

carmine smelt
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I think it's a net improvement but still feels like a quick fix to a bigger problem around end game itemization

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I trust they will continue to make improvements though, they've been good about coming up with creative solutions

glass pendant
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It wouldn't feel that way if you could make use of that power on something that isn't generic mobs with bigger %

carmine smelt
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wasn't talking about the power specifically, but yeah that's fair too

glass pendant
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power vs content is of course not the only itemization issue but I still feel like applying a constant test to your incremental progress would at least help other issues not stick out

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Can't fix everything with a singular step after all

alpine depot
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There's always gonna be some outlier build to trivialize any boss they design though

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Just like poe

glass pendant
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If there's bosses designed to answer to better gear, that'll keep things better in check

alpine depot
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But at this point if people choose the path of least resistance and just want to smoke it

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Then so be it

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I had a blast in s2 learning abby on ballista

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Probably way more enjoyable than smoking it with umbral

glass pendant
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I was left a little bit confused seeing the monsters of s3 doing exactly what falconer, time rot and serpent venom did last patch

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Makes you wonder what power level ceiling are they actually after

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Do you wanna have a rotation of broken builds or is it just too much to balance out, I don't know

alpine depot
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Could be non intentional

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Idk if they have the resource to test every build interaction with the items and shit

glass pendant
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I don't know. Current lich is falconer but green and with mana

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Something old accidentally becoming busted because a new item breaks a skill or an interaction, I get. But the newest thing being exactly as strong as something they just nerfed is contradictory. I wish we knew exactly what their ideal ceiling of power is

alpine depot
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Yeah idk

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I think next season is about reworking the ability trees?

glass pendant
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We saw some very generic bd stuff so far

carmine smelt
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Just because the class, skill, etc. has new stuff doesn't mean everything it can do is obvious

glass pendant
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Some things are very much obvious

carmine smelt
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They obviously thought it was too strong because they did reduce the numbers before launch, they must have missed a few things

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In a game like this each extra multiplying mechanic can increase damage by 10x, 100x, etc. its not like missing a thing is 30% more damage than intended

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All this stuff is obvious in hindsight of course

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Even the mana stacker setup wasn't immediately exploited at the start of S3, it took a while to get figured out and optimized.

glass pendant
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and in this case very much already under the spotlight. We're not talking about some new random item that suddenly gave a skill crazy support (case with time rot for example)

carmine smelt
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With new things you also must consider regression

glass pendant
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I don't take issue with something being too strong in a vacuum. I just wish we had a general idea where their standard of a top end performing thing stands, that'd help a lot with better establishing something as too strong or too weak

carmine smelt
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I think if it took thousands of players a while to find this OP combination, it's also reasonable to assume that CT / EHG also missed the OP combination. And likely the stuff in CT is going through new iterations pretty often, it's possible that the OP combination was caused by some other balance change made later on in the dev cycle. Idk if thats the case but just my thoughts as a dev (but not an EHG dev)

alpine depot
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I have a feeling that sentinels are pretty much where they want the power to be at

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Since they buffed it and tuned it back a little

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Is there a single sentinel build that's currently completely out of this world?

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I don't think so

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But they are also pretty good

carmine smelt
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warpath gets pretty crazy, no? idk

glass pendant
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It's under 2 mins but I haven't seen a sub 1 min one

alpine depot
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Which seems fair to me

glass pendant
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Maybe with the event horizon memes noobzor did last season which isn't practical in maps

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But yeah, definitely balanced within the scope of what's broken currently

alpine depot
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And warpath is pretty gear dependant

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Compared to erasing strike for instance

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It's kinda ass initially

glass pendant
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I think they're pretty similar with similar gear

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Within seconds of each other

alpine depot
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I agree but in my experience erasing strike is easier to get started

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But yeah those two builds come to my mind when i think a balanced build

glass pendant
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Yeah warpath goes through a period where it's literally zdps until you get a couple of core pieces

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Forced to farm low corruption for a bit longer

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Well for casual play anyway

alpine depot
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Both are kinda weird when the mana pool is not there

carmine smelt
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I also think now that people have a better understanding of imprint crafting a lot more power has become accessible

alpine depot
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But warpath needs to get going so your dps also is impaired

alpine depot
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In s2 it took me a hot minute to get this shit locked in

glass pendant
alpine depot
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So i assume the average player probably does not even really know how to use it properly

carmine smelt
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My gut feeling when Uber was released was that only OP builds that were definitely nerf worthy would be able to do it

alpine depot
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I'd tend to disagree

little lagoon
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The average LE player also does not read the passive nodes they're selecting, so I don't think that says much.

alpine depot
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Since i progged uber abby for like more hours than i'd like to admit from being stubborn on doing it on something that was ass at it

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It felt really well designed to be learned properly

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Only the last phase gets very rng

glass pendant
stoic frigate
little lagoon
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There is no defense for mindlessly clicking nodes and then being confused at what anything does.

glass pendant
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There's defense for not knowing some just don't work though. If one node frustrates me, I'll end up caring less

little lagoon
glass pendant
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Can't blame someone's attention going down after having had a bad experience once

little lagoon
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It was constant "how does [most basic node in the game] work"

carmine smelt
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I'm saying when S2 started, we were just getting weaver tree, for a while only obviously busted builds were doing it, we were still figuring things out. Now Uber feels a lot more accessible

glass pendant
stoic frigate
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Eh. There's still many, many, many skills that just cannot do it in a comfortable time. It's still pretty shit.

glass pendant
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We used to call exalted "t20s" like that had any consistent value

stoic frigate
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Wot

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T20 is 4 T5 mate

alpine depot
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Realistically how many builds are viable to do uber?

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Cause i'm pretty sure there's like dozens

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If you compare that to something like poe 2 currently i,d say the balance is actually not too bad for build diversity

glass pendant
stoic frigate
carmine smelt
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idk if that's for lack of power being available or lack of people trying to figure out new builds that can do it

little lagoon
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I do not "practice." I do not lose, I do not pay attention, I do not learn, I do not pay attention to attacks, I ONE SHOT UBERS. And if I don't one shot ubers, I don't fight them.

alpine depot
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Killing it within like 3-4 minutes is acceptable in my book

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I'm not talking sub 2 minutes

stoic frigate
alpine depot
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15-20 is not bad at all though

stoic frigate
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It is imo.

alpine depot
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If you put it in perspective of all other arpgs

little lagoon
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Oh sorry automod I swore

stoic frigate
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In PoE1 damn near every skill can beat ubers. Even in PoE2 I can find at least double that.

glass pendant
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I can't think of a mastery that doesn't have a spec that doesn't kill around 2 minutes

little lagoon
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Who the flubbergubbery would want to fight an uber for 15-20 minutes

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That is a similar time to some SL1 Torch only no hit Dark Souls 3 fights. Do you understand how stupid that is

carmine smelt
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There are several individuals who made multiple new uber viable builds from scratch, I'd wager there are a lot of them out there that just haven't been theorycrafted

glass pendant
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even forge guard has a speedy killer iirc but I don't remember what it uses

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Everything else has a bosser for sure

carmine smelt
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didn't smelter wrath do it?

little lagoon
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Forge guard uses my loser ability to do nothing

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Anyway forge guard is fine against ubers

carmine smelt
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I just did it with fractured crown mana guide LB lmao and I'm certain meteor and static orb can do it

little lagoon
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Forge guard is really good

carmine smelt
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probably disintegrate

glass pendant
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I think so I just don't remember the exact speed of the kill

little lagoon
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20 seconds

little lagoon
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now do it with coc meteor

carmine smelt
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you are saying the mana guide LB is meta?

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lol

little lagoon
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LB is meta yes

carmine smelt
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I mean, okay the skill is meta, so is flame ward I guess

little lagoon
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flame ward is in fact meta

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you are correct

carmine smelt
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Two very different builds using the same skill are not the same build

little lagoon
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they can be

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it's like falconer

carmine smelt
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its also not even the same mastery

little lagoon
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you have "different" falconer builds in the way that you select all the same passives but use one different skill

glass pendant
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and then profane veil is also around 2 mins and it would be way faster if game didn't snack on projectiles

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torment my beloved

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love lock

willow sentinel
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Crit Jav, Shield Bash and Crit Shield Throw are faster

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Iirc

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Multistrike is pretty good too

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One day Warslash will be good 😭

stoic frigate
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Yeah sure, same day that Cinder Strike or self-cast Explosive Trap will be good. No, ET proccing other skills is not an ET build, I will die on this hill.

loud fable
# storm pawn No, not killed any of the harbingers, unlocked empowered monos

Then your issue is something else entirely - you're just not interested in it. That's also fine, and while your argument is reality after you've beaten Uberroth, in your case, you haven't yet. If you meant to say that experience on its own is ass, you're also right. All you'll be doing is farm mindlessly for a mindless built, ignore 90% of its mechanics, and then just kill it. Absolutely nothing interesting. I was more talking about how we need an engaging fight like this every season.

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Some people are saying how we need something between the two versions of Abberoth and such. We don't We don't, and we do. Nobody's gonna care about killing Uberroth for the 500000th time.

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I would love smth in between Abby and Ubby

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I haven't killed Ubby yet, and I wish I had some more boss fight along the way to gradually take me there

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You know, for people like me that cook their own stuff and don't farm 20h a day in troves

loud fable
willow sentinel
loud fable
# willow sentinel 1. Abby > new boss 1 > new boss 2 > new boss 3 > Ubby > maybe smth here? 2. Can'...
  1. I can get behind that, as long as we get a new boss to justify all our progress for the season. It's not that it should always be harder than the past one, but it should be roughly in the same difficulty ballpark.
  2. Well, I think Ubberoth is challenge content, not mean for everyone, so, that's fine, but again, see (1).
  3. Ultimately, this is a general question - almost nobody reads the same story twice, watches the same movie, etc. unless there's some very interesting twist. If you could just re-release content, then studios would do just that.
willow sentinel
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  1. Right... Because remaster/reboot are not a thing
loud fable
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No way you hit me with that 😭

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That's such a rare event, and those are only successful for very belowed IPs.

willow sentinel
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Oo

loud fable
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The practical conclusion to not consistently releasing new stuff is, well, your game dies. It might work for a few weeks/months, and then it just dies.

willow sentinel
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I mean sure I want new stuff, I didn't say we don't need new stuff.
The end goal (Uber) imo doesn't need to move right now. The journey to it should change and be more furnished. That's what I am trying to say

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About to take off

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Catchup in 2h

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✈️

loud fable
# willow sentinel I mean sure I want new stuff, I didn't say we don't need new stuff. The end goal...

Famously, J. Allen Brack, the ex CEO of Blizzard, when asked about Classic WoW, said "you think you want it, but you don't" - and he was right all along. If Blizzard were to embrace that as a main thing, they would've died. Classic worked for a few months, and they kept extending those small (relative to Retail) numbers, and then it just...died.

For most people, they've done the story, the fights, the systems. They don't want to do it again. In that vein, I fully disagree even with this, but not by myself, simply by practicality and history: people don't come back unless there's a new fight, in this case, a new Normal fight. Ubers are whatever, <10% content.

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Imma just throw some numbers out there based on my past research, and say that some 30% of all people have defeated Normal Abberoth, if not a bit more (but definitely nowhere near half the people), and like 50%+ of them would definitely consider coming back to see a new boss. I further think - but just feelyfeelings - bosses as the main menace for a season, paired with a system around it, would be a better model. In contrast - was obvious, then confirmed by Mike - like only 10% of people defear Uberroth even after quite a bit of time into the season.

bold axle
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the hit boxes make no sense

hoary urchin
short vessel
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151% increased movement speed

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i am speeeeeeed

hoary urchin
short vessel
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don't rain on my parade D:

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this is on BM so i'm not exactly working with the most gigacharged MS bonuses

dense grove
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So the new DLC gonna be buy to play? i remember EHG saying there wont be dlcs like this, is this just Krafton talking?

willow sentinel
inner finch
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It... would be nice if this could have been announced without creating so much confusion

severe socket
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Agreed.

torpid jacinth
loud fable
# dense grove So the new DLC gonna be buy to play? i remember EHG saying there wont be dlcs li...

Nobody knows, but my prediction (as a person with 180 IQ) (real):

  • The expansion is gonna be merged into the base game, and you'll be paying for the expansions from now on, with everything released before as the "base game". One price. In practice, the same as of now, but keep reading.
  • Those who already own the game, will get the expansion for free.
  • ^ but I expect that, moving forward, the expansions will cost money, it's just that, for now, splintering the playerbase would be criminal. So, this first expansion is meant to get everyone at the same baseline.

If you own the game -> you won't have to pay extra for this first expansion.
Fast-forward 1 year -> you will pay for the new expansion. Whatever that'll be.

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I'm sorry for my comments back when the announcement happened. I just skipped in the far future.

loud fable
# willow sentinel We don't know

I put in all that effort for the bigly amount of text, and you don't even answer...I see it's like that now. We've grown apart. It ain't like it used to be...

outer lily
median perch
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Rare mobs with channelled skill 🫂

willow sentinel
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We all agree we need more stuff to do and EHG should release more content.

severe socket
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Spambots seem to have been rampant as of late.

outer lily
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They've always been. A coincidence that this server only sees them recently.

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I've had to put max security settings on my own server because of those.

hoary urchin
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Nobody knows, but my prediction (as a person with 180 IQ) (real):

  • The expansion is gonna be merged into the base game, and you'll be paying for the expansions from now on, with everything released before as the "base game". One price. In practice, the same as of now, but keep reading.
  • Those who already own the game, will get the expansion for free.
  • ^ but I expect that, moving forward, the expansions will cost money, it's just that, for now, splintering the playerbase would be criminal. So, this first expansion is meant to get everyone at the same baseline.

If you own the game -> you won't have to pay extra for this first expansion.
Fast-forward 1 year -> you will pay for the new expansion. Whatever that'll be.

inner finch
green stream
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why copy someone else's post?

outer lily
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Can we get a timeout for doomerism

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It's been incessant

willow sentinel
outer lily
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back to the forest we go

severe socket
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That alone is LMAOworthy.

hoary urchin
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as a person with 180 iq (real) im going to start telling people I have 180 iq

inner finch
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Ave would have loved seeing her Magikarp Bladedancer mastery getting some love

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waiting to see what further changes they give it

south moat
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Magikarp bladedancer?
only able to use splash?

inner finch
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pretty much lol

glass pendant
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||splash deals damage in pmd||

strong echo
severe socket
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I know, right?

thick lotus
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as a person with positive iq im going to start telling people I am real

gusty meadow
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What if you are just bit from someone's imagination

thick lotus
gusty meadow
chilly valve
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New player here, wondering if anyone has tips for me as a beginner mage. Just chose sorcerer as next upgrade.

rugged breach
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whats in the expansion?

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new class?

south moat
dry thistle
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Nobody knows, but my prediction (as a person with 180 IQ) (real):

  • The expansion is gonna be merged into the base game, and you'll be paying for the expansions from now on, with everything released before as the "base game". One price. In practice, the same as of now, but keep reading.
  • Those who already own the game, will get the expansion for free.
  • ^ but I expect that, moving forward, the expansions will cost money, it's just that, for now, splintering the playerbase would be criminal. So, this first expansion is meant to get everyone at the same baseline.

If you own the game -> you won't have to pay extra for this first expansion.
Fast-forward 1 year -> you will pay for the new expansion. Whatever that'll be.

willow sentinel
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Thats a proper copy pasta

glass pendant
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Oh wow

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Glad I didn't miss this one

south moat
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It's 10/10

glass pendant
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Now I gotta wait for my buds to react to it

simple bison
elder barn
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Something like $180iqreal

acoustic palm
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I hope they make chat available only for hte people that buy the game plus expansion, its always the poor people / that down own the game with the worst take, make us link our game to discord for access.

south moat
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Okay
What if some guy who was looking to buy the game came in and wanted to ask a few questions?
Now they couldn't do that.

acoustic palm
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Make a channel for people that don't own the game

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Jokes and trolling aside, adding a paid dlc is something blizzard can afford to do, a game with 80k peak in their last league? not really

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how many of that 80k will buy the new expansion? if 1.3 was so lack luster, can they afford to do one league for non expansion owners or they will get shafted and only expansion purchase will get something ?

simple bison
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it's actually not even close to being close to a good estimate

acoustic palm
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I compared the peak to the other patches and also the retention (which may not be fair as the game was competing with poe). The trending is descending.

Considering there are bugs in the game that are 5-6 year old, they should focus on these first before thinking about DLCS, unless we are talking about fixing the game dlc. I find it unnaceptable to ask for more money when half of the shaman skill tree wasn't working properly.

simple bison
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You do know the expansion might not be coming out for another year or maybe more right, we have no idea when it's coming

acoustic palm
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Take that from someone that bought 120 euro worth of mtx, skill issue from my side, probably. But still. I expected more.

simple bison
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I doubt it's coming before mid to late 2026

acoustic palm
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Ah, alright, hopefully 1.4 will be step in the right direction.

simple bison
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This announcement was basically "We're working on this" type thing, which is why it had pretty much 0 information, they've said themselves it's still early on. Console ports aren't that quick and easy even for games that already have controller support. Especially when the game wasn't made with it in mind from the start. And we know that they basically just started on the port since before krafton it was basically a "we'd like to do this but we haven't even started yet" type thing for them. And the expansion and port are coming out at the same time.

acoustic palm
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From the trailer it looks nothing more than a launch to console as they didn't show much more content than what we have in the game. Which is fine, if they just started working on it now, they can't show anything, but my main issue was talking about expansions when the base game has bugs, the AI of the companions is lacking and the only viable classes are the things that are not bugged.

south moat
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They might not want to show new content too early

simple bison
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It's a live service game, it'll always have issues that people will be like "omg how can you release x when y is still broken". There will never be a "good" time

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Hopefully by the time the expansion comes out it'll be in a better spot. Since if it isn't it wouldn't even be a good "money grab" anyway, nobody is gonna pay additional money to a broken game like you yourself said.

south moat
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But Cyborg
When will it be a good time to do this thing when I'm still broken heavybreathing

acoustic palm
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For now the expansion is nothing more than an announcement of announcements which works fine for a special arpg, but I can't help but compare LE with TQ 2 that launched in a demo type with only 1 chapter playable, yet all their skill works.

I hope that 1.4 will feature a full bug fix for each class and each skill will work properly, nothing its more unfun than picking a class, picking a build, leveling a passive and seeing that it does nothing

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This is my main dissapointment.

elder barn
acoustic palm
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That's what I Was saying, most bugs are older than most devs

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Sure, it's fine to aim at adding more content, but fix what we have there.

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If it's a free expansion, a weird way of calling it instead of league, could still be that case.

torn holly
fathom depot
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Could someone lvl boost me pls?

acoustic palm
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Path of exile uses expansion too for their free updates, they had 4 expansions (related to end game atlas) and each league is called well league. Diablo has paid expansions, these are the main LE competitors as GaaS. The other are single player arpgs.

simple bison
thick lotus
acoustic palm
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Yeah, right now we have no idea if is a paid expansion or a free one.

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So we can't doom over that 😛

thick lotus
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i remember "hotfix" in epog, with 5 screens of text; what looks more likely as big patch of bugfixes

acoustic palm
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Also, I wish there was a way to see EHG replies on reddit, I can seee EHG reply, but its either downvoted to oblivion or hidden in a long chain, I wanted to see if they added more details to the expansion free/paid talk.

south moat
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They haven't said if it's free or paid yet.

acoustic palm
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Yeah, even on discord is very ambigue

elder barn
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Paid would be the funniest thing ever

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"Hey guys, we just came out of EA last year and our endgame is still barebones as hell and our balance has never been worse and we keep accumulating bugs with every patch but would you like to pay for some content? 👉 👈 "

acoustic palm
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Maybe their hired enough devs to fix everything and well make alot of content so the price will reflect that, i don't know.

torn holly
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hiring devs != more work completed

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esp since new hires need onboarding time

acoustic palm
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also true

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the expansion is in 1 year or so, probably

spark coyote
torn holly
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didnt the devs say to stop playing if krafton did krafton shenanigans

spark coyote
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I mean that's the stance i'd take on it personally

thick lotus
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paid endgame content is weird, they need to aim of how much hours players need to complete average "cycle"
e.g. target could be killing normal aba, which for me took like 80 hours prev league, but that heavely depends on build
or uber aba, which needs way more grinding gear-wise;
but problem is theres no much variability in that area right now, where most efficient way for me was farming "conquered towers" and "unclaimed troves"

spark coyote
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Agreed, it'll be sad if that is what they go through with because while the game is great and has potential it's not like they are wanting for competition.

thin idol
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Hope they make some content that doesn't involve click a box or interacting with a menu every 5 seconds, or standing around waiting for the "currency" to drop

severe socket
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So count me in if krapton enforces payment in LE's case.

spark coyote
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again hopefully they see that as the case.

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That'd be my guess, the biggest issue is the silence because a lot of people have already made up their minds that the company is cooked

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yeah, again if it's paid it won't be something i support just personally but i do wish the game and team well regardless

severe socket
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So would flying headfirst into a $250M lawsuit. Yet here we are.

thick lotus
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prob main mistake is leaving gray areas in announcement, so people can imagine worst

severe socket
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Anyways, if the game wants to be taken seriously, it first must eliminate whatever traces of tech/bug debt it's still in.

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And then carefully consider wtf they want to be to start with.

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Look up "Krafton Subnautica 2 lawsuit".

spark coyote
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Krafton after they delayed subnatica 2 to avoid paying the team their bonus

severe socket
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Heavens forbid, lol.

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Judd would never live that down had that been the case.

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Unless he doesn't really give half a damn anymore, that is, but even then, it's his legacy after all.

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True, lol.

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Sigh. How I wish there was a way for EHG to fix the horrid mismanagement and pull a "let's get dangerous".

spark coyote
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I think helldivers 2 honestly gave the bigger companies the wrong idea about major "oopsie daisies". like oh we can just screw over half our community see how it goes and then reverse it after we get bombed.

outer lily
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Guess it's LEs time for some outrage tourism

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Can't you just go be a doomer on PoE 2 Discord or something lol

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checks mutual servers
sees poe2
of course.

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I have no idea why that game attracts those people so much
Actually it's more poe1 because they doomer poe2 too

inner finch
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I would have suggest a doomer endgame boss that tells you everything will be consumed, and that you are nothing, and the void will get all of us, but Abberoth already exist

simple bison
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That's Orobyss not Abby

inner finch
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I guess that's all purple fellas

outer lily
simple bison
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Orobyss corrupted Abby

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He's Orobyss minion basically

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Orobyss is the big bad of the entire game basically

inner finch
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Orobyss was right

spark coyote
outer lily
simple bison
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The story is basically ants crawling around for all he cares

outer lily
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Higher plane than Rahyeh causing a war between gods?

simple bison
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Way higher

spark coyote
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I can't wait to punch ANOTHER god in the face lol

simple bison
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He's the cause of the corruption and the entire story to begin with basically

inner finch
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Can't have matter without antimatter

inner finch
spark coyote
simple bison
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We fight his shades in the monolith but that's basically just remnants of the corruption. It's like his shed skin cells lul

elder barn
outer lily
inner finch
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LE is on a correct trajectory, all things considered, even if it takes a ton of time

outer lily
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Agreed

inner finch
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*as long as EHG keeps creative control

outer lily
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I dont see why they wouldnt

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bro can you like

inner finch
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If you wanna detox doomerism, you gonna have to zoom way out of 0.8 scope

outer lily
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unappear

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<@&1161418687471956101> ragebait

spark coyote
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Haha

elder barn
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The class monitor is here, scatter

spark coyote
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IT'S THE FUZZ

simple bison
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It's okay to be critical of LE, EHG and even Krafton in here. As long as you guys stay respectful. And please don't try to antagonize each other.

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I will say though that making 20 assumptions in honestly what seems like bad faith about something that's probably not gonna be out for another year or so and making decisions based off it is a little out there for me personally. I'm not saying you're not right, but like let's just wait and see no?

inner finch
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ARPG players is the toughest audience in the entire gaming genre. I had to be on the receiving end for a nice while to understand this bottomless well

outer lily
simple bison
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People voicing their grievances and opinions isn't really rage bait. At least not if they're actually being honest

spark coyote
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Not every discussion has to be an argument.

outer lily
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that's true

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They don't know.

simple bison
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Why not do that once it's been confirmed though

outer lily
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And neither do we.

simple bison
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What good does speculating do when we know we'll get a definitive answer eventually

outer lily
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^

simple bison
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If you would actually like to tell ehg something like "if Y I'll feel x" then please do so in the #1210281911872786482 , doing it here doesn't really do anything

outer lily
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🙄

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some communities just thrive on being perpetually outraged, and making up things t be outraged about 🤷‍♀️

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for some reason, gaming went from one of the most chill communities to that in the span of a decade lol

pastel summit
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Of course we like being perpetually outraged, fury is a really nice buff to have, who wouldn't want 100% uptime on it?

outer lily
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because I've been gaming since before you were born, judging by your writing style

simple bison
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Guys. Keep it respectful

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Just leave it at this point. Let's move on.

outer lily
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Do we know whether Orobyss is a campaign or endgame expansion or both?

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Or do we know anything?

pastel summit
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Maybe we finally get to fight him?

south moat
pastel summit
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Now that we know we were pivotal in his creation.

simple bison
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I'd imagine endgame

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Would be weird if he was "weaker" than Abby

outer lily
pastel summit
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500 corruption boss, maybe?

pastel summit
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||The other part is the epoch||

outer lily
pastel summit
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Eterra straight up ripped him in half.

outer lily
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Eterra seems to ||control him without issue in chapter 10||, I'm wondering why she can't just deal with the issue in a snap

simple bison
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Eterra is taking her mid day nap

pastel summit
inner finch
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I would love if EHG could focus on micro-stories in the future, things that happened somewhere, sometime, in the middle of the timeline, to simple people, in complex scenarios, over things that won't change the entirety of humanity and fates. Just good stories we can ride some game mechanics off of

pastel summit
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Yes, the same place you fight the ||emperor's remains||.

simple bison
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We need to learn more about the grole farmers heavybreathing

outer lily
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I have to say, it took me several campaign replays to grasp what was going on

simple bison
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What are some grole foods

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And is it lit

pastel summit
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The placement of everything tells me exactly how the imperial era ended and the ruined era began

south moat
inner finch
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Unironically, I wouldn't mind a story that involves Grole farmers lol, but im interested if EHG could expand on warfares, and sieges, and thing relating to the economy and politics of Eterra and its significant locations

outer lily
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IMO the current story has too many holes to focus on small plots at the present

simple bison
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Groles have got to have been at the center of some wars

pastel summit
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Grole calvary

inner finch
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I good, long running game remembered by lots of its less significant lore

simple bison
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Can't have a thriving civilization without groles

inner finch
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Grole milk implies the existence of Grole cheeses

pastel summit
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Do we ever see horses in game? For all we know, groles are the only beasts of burden.

simple bison
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Nope

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Afaik we don't

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But here's the thing, Gregory exists. And even though ehg insist he isn't canon we all know he is

pastel summit
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So groles would be like a hybrid of horses and cows.

outer lily
plain sequoia
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i dont know why its only 2 days , it should be at least 5 days

simple bison
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What's only 2 days?

pastel summit
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Now I know this game NEEDS grole riding mechanics.

outer lily
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no it doesnt

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damn it, still no pictures

simple bison
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Bing links scare me

pastel summit
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You can totally put a saddle on that.

simple bison
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Its got mittens for feet

dusty peak
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Newb question, but does ballista count as a minion for things like increased minion damage?

simple bison
dusty peak
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Thanks

dusty peak
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New player. Been thinking of trying an acid flask build but from a few minutes of research I'm not sure if its viable except as some sort of falconer build. Are flasks viable as a blade dancer or marksman build?

severe socket
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Nope (imo).

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Welcome aboard, btw. 👋

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Acid Flask is one of the skills I'd wish EHG to rework/buff alongside Dancing Strikes(!!!!!!!), Decoy, and a lot of others in Rogue's kit specifically.

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Actually, it would be cool if there was a way to convert it into a bow attack.

autumn briar
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mm can do similar, ill try and see what time i can get for uber. most likely 40s also. the power from flask doesn't really come from the mastery so any spec can make it work

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mm is a bit clunkier coz it's generator spender, but that also means it's better at low gear levels or as a season starter

dusty peak
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Thanks folks for the replies 🙂

outer lily
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Just discovered a bug: When you defeat campaign Lagon too quickly (just oneshot his tentacle in phase 1), you are still teleported to the arena phase, but cannot go back to the platform (tentacles block the way) because he is defeated. 😆

round turtle
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Not trying to be a factionalist, but I took the weekend to dig into PoE2 and omg it is aggressively boring

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It’s about my tenth false start with Poe/poe2 I’m just ready to give up and call it as not my style

fair egret
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way ahead of ya bud

severe socket
severe socket
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Never again.

outer lily
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Liking multiple things is an option 🤷‍♀️

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Two thing like better than one thing like

severe socket
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I concur, but some things are less... compatible with one's favors and perception than others.

outer lily
#

Not saying it applies to any of us here, but a lot of people have this sense of having to choose 1 / only being allowed to enjoy 1 thing#

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To quote Mage, I can not do that 😆

severe socket
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So tribalism, right?

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I know that an UNBEARABLY STRONG case of this is typical to gacha games and their communities, heh.

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Cases in point being genshin, wuwa, and the likes.

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These two's communities are at odds with each other to put it family-friendly 😄

outer lily
#

Is there some lore behind that?

severe socket
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Both belong to the same genre (open-world action-adventure RPG with a character gacha).

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Genshin is 5 years old and made using a tailor-made, if horribly outdated, version of Unity, whereas wuwa is 1-something year old and built on UE 4.5.

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Made by Mihoyo/Hoyoverse and Kuro Games respectively.

outer lily
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Does it involve paying for better characters?

severe socket
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I think a lot of people out there can attest to the fact that genshin's fanbase has one of the most vitriolic subsets of people.

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Natch, that's what gacha is for.

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Both characters and their "signature" weapons.

outer lily
#

I hate its existence

severe socket
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I second this.

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That said, wuwa does make it feel like the gacha aspect is very secondary to everything else.

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imio anyway.

outer lily
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Not like ARPGs make us any less addicted to gambling, but most [not you, Diablo Immoral] at least don't exploit our addiction monetarily 😆

severe socket
#

Is dildablo immoral even relevant still, I wonder.

outer lily
#

Unfortunately yes

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Blizzard has more diehard defenders than you'd imagine

severe socket
#

I know I haven't heard from Torchlightverse for a good while, and backwater stuff like Undecember has completely vanished from sight.

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Alas, poor Superfuse, we hardly knew ye.

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Raw Fury is now officially affirmed as blacklisted in my book.

outer lily
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I'm not in the loop when it comes to ARPGs, I started PoE 2 last December and LE like a week ago

severe socket
#

Long story short, Superfuse was a diabloid (if you excuse the term; just ARPG otherwise) with a heavy comic-book stylistic.

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Built on Unreal Engine as well.

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imo, it was a very ambitious project which had potential.

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Too bad Stitch Heads (the dev studio) didn't quite make it in the end. They went bankrupt shortly after launching into early access.

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And Raw Fury just went full-gag on literally everything. "There's no news we can share" for the entirety of the timeline (over a year) up until very recently.

outer lily
#

That's unfortunate

severe socket
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SF going EA → SH going bankrupt → no news for over a year while the game was still up for sale on Steam → people understandably going mad and calling RF out for blatant scammy cash-grab practices and blocking every bit of info out there, including all comms with SH

outer lily
#

Personally I'm very grateful GGGs ban bot (I assume) malfunctioned, otherwise I would have never gotten around to playing this wonderful game

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I got my PoE2 account back and I'm still here ❤️

severe socket
#

...ban bot?

outer lily
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I assume so. A bit over a week ago I logged out, ate something, came back and my PoE2 account was banned 🤷‍♀️

severe socket
#

No elaboration?

outer lily
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None

severe socket
#

Why am I not surprised?..

outer lily
#

Appealed per mail and a week later they unbanned without elaboration or explanation what happened 🤷‍♀️

severe socket
#

Then again, there's indeed a silver lining in all this 😄

outer lily
#

I was in the middle of my HCSSF race too (rank #3/#4 at the time on the ladder)

severe socket
#

Maybe there was a false-positive for something random?

outer lily
#

Who knows

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The reply mail just said (paraphrased) "Your account is now unbanned, cya"

severe socket
#

I only hope EHG doesn't follow Stitch Heads' footsteps. The draft is kinda out there on the wall already, but hopefully they can find an eraser for that.

outer lily
#

How so?

severe socket
#

LE is mismanaged. Badly.

outer lily
#

My impression after a week is very positive, but I haven't seen much beyond gameplay

severe socket
#

The studio is over 100 people big currently.

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You can't NOT expect all sorts of complications when it comes to task-handling.

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Triple bonus points for the studio being global.

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All the timezones and different languages can't NOT take a toll.

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Smaller teams are more efficient. Case in point: Crate Entertainment.

loud fable
severe socket
#

Their Grim Dawn is a great example of a successful Kickstarter.

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↑Some people may disagree with me, but it's ok.

outer lily
#

I'm sure Grim Dawn is universally beloved or at least respected, so I don't think you'll have many people who disagree

severe socket
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I wouldn't know. 🙂

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Anyway. There's one thing that bugs me the most right now. Aside from all the krapton stuff, that is.

outer lily
#

It'll be fine

severe socket
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That being "GD is a single-player game" and "LE is a live-service game with a true-offline mode".

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I absolutely enjoy the fact that I can LAN my way with someone in GD, whereas to do the same in LE I'm enforced into the internet.

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This bugs me to no end. And according to Mike they refuse to add P2P networking to LE.

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And it appears that I'll never truly understand why.

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This alone would've added so much more lifespan to the game.

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Well, a nope is a nope. A shame, but I'll manage somehow.

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There's also quite a lot of friction when it comes to making sweeping changes to classes, especially when it comes to skill redos.

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Quite a lot of skills still feel horribly outdated and underperforming, tbh. Again: imio.

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LOOKING AT YOU, DANCING STRIKES

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Marksman is a joke of itself, given how there're two items that morph their respective MM-signature skills into something COMPLETELY UNUSABLE by its own mastery. That's not counting the fact that MM doesn't really have enough xxx-to-bow-attack conversions to make it worthwhile (the only decent example being Explosive Trap).

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Forge Guard is still the same scatterbrain who wants to be everything at once but doesn't quite cut it.

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And so on.

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As resourceful as people can get when it comes to suggestions, I can't help but wonder how big of a percentage of those suggestions is even looked at, let alone added to the drawing board, much less implemented.

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I imagine some are outright rejected even.

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Can't help but snark about EHG also having some sort of a Vision™ similar to GGG. 😒

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I'd be glad to be wrong about it.

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...Sorry, I went on too long.

outer lily
severe socket
#

Only time will tell where we end up with it, I guess...

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Hopefully krapton does stay in their lane. The last thing we need is them f'n around.

outer lily
#

I don't see why they would

severe socket
#

You may want to specify which part it applies to.

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"Staying in their lane" or "f'n around", I mean.

outer lily
#

The latter

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The game is successful and has an established fanbase

severe socket
#

Well, we've got Subnautica 2 lawsuit...

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We've also got pubg which is a husk of itself...

outer lily
#

Update me

severe socket
#

They tripled down on monetization in the latter from what I know.

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Didn't end well.

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I don't know how much profit it still yields, but the game feels hollow from what I've been reading.

outer lily
#

We'll cross that bridge when we come to it

#

No point speculating at the present

severe socket
#

Fair enough, I guess.

round turtle
outer lily
#

go for it

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😆

severe socket
#

I'm a RAGING altoholic alright. Part of why I burned out in poe1 so hard in the first place.

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It's unsustainable for me.

outer lily
#

I found PoE2 way more fun to create alts in

severe socket
#

LE, I've hit the 30 characters limit twice over the span of 1362.6 hours, lol.

#

Had to make sacrifices.

outer lily
#

HCSSF for extra adrenaline

#

You'll never bore

severe socket
#

HC is way too stressful for me, so I stay away if I can help it.

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As for SSF... I take it that it implies only having personal stash on that given character, right?

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Aside from being unable to interact with others items-wise.

outer lily
#

SSF in PoE2 is SAF in LE. Or playing Offline without clicking SCF.

round turtle
severe socket
#

Speaking of D4. Is there any tangible difference between seasons?

round turtle
#

Uh oh. Here come the rants about how horrible
It is

outer lily
#

I play too much anyway lol
117h in 8 days, couldn't be me 👀

round turtle
#

Wow. I got
Rookie numbers compared to that

outer lily
#

Yea when I enjoy something, I tend to.... really enjoy it 😄

severe socket
#

Bro 🤜 ✨ 🤛

round turtle
#

Do we think dragonkin will make it anywhere?

severe socket
#

I wonder.

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Only heard about it like once.

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Never stuck with me.

round turtle
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I bought it and played it some. It’s got some compelling ideas. Not much polish yet but that’s to be expected

severe socket
#

🤔

outer lily
#

One thing that really surprised me was when the games theme song played for a random side boss in chapter 1

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lol

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I love this game for having an Offline mode

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I can't overstate how amazing it is

pearl orbit
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I dont know what ideas they have you mean. The most interesting part of the game is the skill system - it's near 1:1 ripped from Undecember

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Im not sure they are innovating on anything to be honest with you

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Titan Quest 2 looks like the more promising EA arpg but it's so early and content light there isn't much to say about it either

outer lily
#

Am I alone in thinking the whole Apophis subplot was rather abrupt?

round turtle
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Including the new chapter?

outer lily
#

Yes

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Love the VA though

#

I love the paradoxes too.
Past Yulia meets us in the future because we met her in the future and traveled to her in the past telling her to meet us there.

inner finch
#

Kudos in giving thisuch attention and care for the lore

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Lord knows I'm trying my best but everything and everyone is so generic and forgettable

outer lily
#

I really like the lore

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It took me several playthroughs to fully get it though, it is a bit convoluted

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The College really stood out to me.
In the Imperial Era, Imperial Officer Humsk tells us we need a crest to enter.
We travel to the future (Ruined Era), upstairs we find the crest on an Imperial Officer corpse.
We return to the past, show him the crest, he runs upstairs and we kill him.
We found the crest we gave him on his corpse in the future after taking the crest and traveling back to the past to show it to him.
And he only ran upstairs in the first place because we found his corpse upstairs in the past and traveled back.

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When you think about it, Humsk is stuck in a time loop. Super creepy stuff.

pearl orbit
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we'll never know who the immortal emperor is. maybe EHG dont even know

stoic dew
#

If only they have good voice acting I would have care about the lore before Act 9-10

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Act 9-10 is a fine addition to the story

outer lily
outer lily
#

Anyone else have massive performance issues in the Temple in the Sky map though?

stoic dew
pearl orbit
outer lily
pearl orbit
#

thats not a reason

outer lily
#

🤷‍♀️

#

Do we even know / have a canon class?

main frigate
#

I never attract by the story in campaign

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The lore is the part which expose le is an indie game

outer lily
#

👍

south moat
# outer lily Do we even know / have a canon class?

It's most likely someone we have already met in the story since he seems to recognise the player character when you meet him
I wouldn't be surprised if the player character tells like
Grael & Yulia what happened in Eterra's Temple and Grael goes desperate and tries to look for solution against Orobyss and thinks that eternal life is needed to gain more time and becomes the emperor

elder barn
#

Eternal Emperor is almost assuredly Grael

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No other character would have all 3 of Harton, Yulia, and Zerrick as his lieutenants

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Well, other than the player character I guess. But Grael makes more sense because 1. Unresolved storyline, 2. We do know he's great friends with the Traveller, 3. Traveller being Emperor would make no sense unless they wildly change the story

south moat
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Also they have the same voice actor

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Not that the VA really matters in that

outer lily
#

One reason I'm not fully convinced is because Yulia infiltrates the Emperor, but since Grael and Yulia not only know each other, but are also very close, I feel like she would stop him from going crazy like that. Also, it would be more difficult to pretend / lie to a person you're that close with.

south moat
#

Well
To some people that's more difficult

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She also might not notice it at first
and by the time she realizes what's going on she probably acceps that she has to wait for the traveler

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After all
That "happened already" that they met in the future

outer lily
#

Wouldn't Grael notice that she's lying to him?

severe socket
#

Humsk is a funny name.

short locust
# outer lily Wouldn't Grael notice that she's lying to him?

He could just be blindsided like people in relationships who get cheated on without knowing. He could also be aware she's not happy with the ways of the immortal empire but might believe there's nothing she can do and thus he might not care, or just be waiting for her to come around. For all he knows, he's stolen the power of the gods, noone can oppose him, and he can wait for eternity without her getting an out. Tons of ways it could be

#

Maybe if she told him she wanted true death, he'd oblige her?

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I would assume so I guess. Since they were friends and Grael, who I already assume it is though that could be wrong, was initially a good guy

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I can't wait to find out more. Like if it's someone else that would be a cool twist. Or just knowing exactly how the gods were defeated

torpid jacinth
#

the lack of a reward from the questline to kill abberoth is very underwhelming