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[frosty pelican]

unique vs type

occasionally blocker

but usually not

[gray ermine]

yeah that's my concern, I'm just really lazy xDD

I should prob check ur calc for some stuff

[frosty pelican]

haha all about the min-max

[gray ermine]

I do think a lot of it is pretty obvious though.. Like unique belt prophecies seem pretty rare in general.... but I still need unique belts + gloves so I'm using generic unique find... Once I hit either or is where I'm unsure

if I only need unique belt or gloves? is the generic unique find better or glove/belt specifically (15% vs 10%)

[frosty pelican]

How rare a prophecy is just depends on how many of them are in the pool

[gray ermine]

I'll prob use ur calc at that point

[frosty pelican]

Each is equally weighted

[gray ermine]

ah k makes sense

[frosty pelican]

Same with events

there are 74 events

some appear multiple times with slight variations

[gray ermine]

Well yeah, my point though was that belts specifically seem to be much less common than say unique body armors/boots for example

like I have a specific scenario where once I hit one of my current targets I think ur calc will be really useful

yeah maybe it's just in my head if they're evenly weighted xD

I remember all the bad roll downs and not the good ones

Seems like I hit way less unique belt rewards than unique body armor specifically

[gray ermine]

Also Imperial Warcamp is the other layout that I believe could rival Ritual Lake, the fact that it has a somewhat defined path while also being very open with high density seems like it might be a bit better for my build specifically (and maybe in general). Bleak Steppe and Burned Fields also have potential.

[hallow plume]

I'm surprised you pick them up

[frosty pelican]

@gray ermine made a video on my findings; https://youtu.be/aNwf9l-GGBc

I linked the full 30 minute video of each test in the description, if you are curious

[gray ermine]

So you're getting roughly 1/3 more favor/hr doing Ritual Lake reset when compared to normal clearing? Sounds about right

would need a larger sample size to see the true difference, as I think normal clearing is pretty sporadic and you could have high rolled layouts/spawns

I also think that the best potential layout is still somewhat up for debate and may vary based on build

I also believe that if u truly wanted to min/max that the specific timeline might matter? iirc certain mobs are native/have a higher chance to spawn on certain timelines.

[frosty pelican]

yea basically the difference would change a lot depending on your damage, whether or not you have good AoE, your movement speed, probably timeline too.

Some monsters might resist your primary damage type maybe?

[gray ermine]

min/maxing past 400-500k/hr is mostly irrelevant anyway

[gray ermine]

and certain spawns seem to come with inherently less density, Imperial Watchers/Immortals Eyes for example

[frosty pelican]

Idk I think still relevant, but I personally won't bother with reset for such a small difference

maybe if it was 2x higher

but I want gold, boss drops, shade drops, higher corr, etc.

echo reward drops too

[gray ermine]

yeah the same could be said about pushing past 3.5-4k, for my build and current DPS it prob isn't worth it... and 400-500k favor/hr is insane anyway, but obviously with infinite DPS pushing higher and going for 700k-1m/hr would be ideal

[frosty pelican]

yeah I'm probably close to the limit of my current setup for favor per hour since I'm quite defensive oriented, but I could grab more damage

[gray ermine]

I plan to push higher eventually, it's just that my gear can improve a lot and I think it would mostly be for style points

if highest solo corruption world seems doable I'll go for it, otherwise meh

[frosty pelican]

It would be hard for me to make meaningful improvements to gear, my stuff is pretty insane for CoF

still fun to try though 🙂

Eventually we could probably run LP prophecies

even though they are extremely inefficient

at a high enough favor per hour might be justified grabbing, assuming you want fairly high lp level uniques

[gray ermine]

I was thinking that myself, the issue is that almost every drop is 1LP or higher for me at this point

and iirc the 1LP prophecies wouldn't inherently increase the odds of rolling higher

[frosty pelican]

they do

[gray ermine]

I thought LP rolled 1 at a time?

it actually improves the ranges or?

[frosty pelican]

Yea it rolls for 1LP then 2LP then 3LP then 4LP

if your 1LP is 50%, by making it 100%

you indirectly double the chance of 2LP, 3LP, so on

[gray ermine]

if ur already getting 90%+ 1LP drops the diff would be negligible unless it actually increases the range of successive rolls past 1 LP

it would need to make the odds of higher LP rolls specifically better

[frosty pelican]

you aren't getting 90% 1LP for high lpl items though

[gray ermine]

yeah it would be good for items with very low LP odds specifically

but even then those items tend to be much more rare

so the odds of hitting on a LP prophecy very low

would need to actually math it out

[frosty pelican]

Rarity is irrelevant for this

its low for regular or lp prophecy

I did math it out https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DLiKBOApPtBBm5prr185HU-iYM9k28ENFgz-voXpB-4/edit#gid=774851676 lol

[gray ermine]

I'd have a hard time believing LP prophecies are ever worth it

[frosty pelican]

I estimated them to be about 30% favor effciency for LPL 100 items

pretty bad tbh

[gray ermine]

yeah u would need to be generating such an insane amount of favor that u can't spend it fast enough

u would need to generate favor at more than 3x the rate u cna spend it

[frosty pelican]

I also spend a really long time rolling prophecies

and we also waste more favor on rerolls, by not taking them

[gray ermine]

yeah there's a lot of stuff to account for that could tip the scales a bit, but even then

[frosty pelican]

If you were super min maxed it's possible that you should be extremely picky on events, so that you never need to do anything except your favor farm

And if you are really picky, it helps to take more expensive prophecies

[gray ermine]

I think ur favor gen would need to be so insane that u would only take those because it's needed to dump effectively

[frosty pelican]

I think the tipping point is when it becomes worth taking both

depending on what you see first

to reduce reroll time / cost

[gray ermine]

yeah time spent rolling is def something to take into consideration

[frosty pelican]

Ah.. rip I'm at 800k favor with full prophecies, I forgot I was doing exalts and took dungeon prophecies lol

[gray ermine]

good thing there are good samaritans like you to do all the hard work, I'm too lazy to manually test everything and do all the maths xD

[frosty pelican]

tbh I'd probably be at 5k corr right now if it wasn't for all the time spent doing tests

but it's fine, I enjoy it

[gray ermine]

haha yeah I spent most of the cycle figuring out my build and farming the wrong items before finalizing xD

[frosty pelican]

I cycle started warlock

[gray ermine]

Yeah u must go pretty hard considering ur overall progress while also making such high quality content/spreadsheets lol

legend

[frosty pelican]

tbh between my actual full time job, grinding, and making content

I've been doing 16-17 hour days for many weeks

Pretty tiring

[gray ermine]

yeah my next question was do u sleep or are u a machine person from the future?

xD

[frosty pelican]

programmer. I can be really obsessive

TBH I think it's just how much fun Last Epoch has been

gotta give creds to EHG, 1.0 despite a handful of issues, has been an amazing time

[gray ermine]

Despite all the complaints I have I'm pretty surprised how well things turned out

Especially considering the state the game was in when I first played it a few years ago

Think there's still a long way to go before HC viability, for me at least

[frosty pelican]

I only first played in 0.9 and thought it was already good then

but 1.0 was insane

Also some people have claimed the unique blessing works for boss drops?

I thought that wasn't the case

[gray ermine]

I've heard so many conflicting opinions about stuff like that, unless devs confirm or somebody provides a very large sample size then ???

I'll take my 10% xp and be happy with it for now

[frosty pelican]

I need boss drops for my build upgrades

Core of the Mountain sucks to farm

[gray ermine]

yeah I'm going for my 7th 2LP Heart slam.... Wouldn't even be pushing still if I had an acceptable 2LP slam

and I don't even need it... but at this point...

I also found x6 2LP Hearts so far, but haven't seen one in weeks at this point.

[frosty pelican]

I finished on my first lol

[gray ermine]

I'M SO HAPPY FOR YOU FRIEND

[frosty pelican]

LOL

I only dropped 3 total though

and maybe 30-40 1LP?

[gray ermine]

My experience so far has been relatively insane drop RNG and complete opposite on slams

it actually feels so bad

need some kind of bad luck protection or I might just be a MG player

[frosty pelican]

I'm the opposite, bad drops good slams

like T7 int Ravenous Void, double T7 red ring, etc. lol

[gray ermine]

yeah... I'm subbed and I saw 😡

[frosty pelican]

sorry!

[gray ermine]

I don't hate the player, but the game... sometimes.

[frosty pelican]

Bricked like 25 2LP boots trying to get zoomie ones though 😦

all my good bases ripped

need some dungeon runners

[gray ermine]

Oof, think I'm around 22/25 (prob a bit worse) on slams that actually matter and I have the cemetery tab to prove it lol

[frosty pelican]

Hah I keep one of those too

well two now

[gray ermine]

I was taking boot prophecies on and off all cycle with the intention of getting one pair of either 3LP Telf (current build) or 3LP Snowdrift (next build)... Finally hit 3LP Snowdrift 1-2 weeks ago, and stopped taking boot prophecies

I hit 3LP Telf from a unique armor prophecy 3 days later LOL

still don't have an acceptable base to slam though

[frosty pelican]

I've never dropped a 3LP telf

or 3LP blood of exile

[gray ermine]

Exile much harder cause lower drop rate iirc

Snowdrift and Telf are same rarity tier I think

[frosty pelican]

Yea true

Exile better because it gives us armor %

imo

[gray ermine]

Telf basically gives me dodge cap for free doe

[frosty pelican]

and dodge

[gray ermine]

channeling build

[frosty pelican]

ooo right

[gray ermine]

trying to greed double T7 or at least T7 + 6 base... starting to get antsy though.. same thing for my 3LP Oblation

[frosty pelican]

soulfire sucks

[gray ermine]

yeah I did like 1k runs before finalizing my build and don't even really want Ashes/Oblation

the Oblation is a good tech in vs single target and is prob as 20-30% dps increase for me alone in situations where I have good Rip Blood uptime

but I kinda need to hit the 3LP slam - Desired prefix and double suffix

[frosty pelican]

I tried to tech oblation for FC and couldn't make it not suck

maybe if not using enigma

[gray ermine]

I can only maintain 10-15 self ignite stacks during burst windows

[frosty pelican]

same

[gray ermine]

but it's still like +20-30% flat spell power

for me

so it's worth to tech it in vs single targets where I can cast a lot

[frosty pelican]

220 int = 440 flat on spark charge from enigma

plus whatever flat

so it didn't make much difference

[gray ermine]

yeah I have a max of 214 spell dmg pre Obaltion, so I get more value

and Chains is mostly just for defense/utility and overall has good relative stat value

but not needed vs. most single targets

[frosty pelican]

yea true

[gray ermine]

The funnt part is that if it wasn't near pefect 3LP (90% and +6) it wouldn't even be usable and I still need to hit the slam, cause I'm not running Maehlins/self-ignite setup and relying purely on cast speed to stack it during burst windows xD

[frosty pelican]

yea honestly it just feels hard to make it worth other than that one specific build that works differently

[tawdry fjord]

what are the best lenses

ive been juust blocking main campaign and arena stuff

but i just unlocked level 9

im guessing it shud be reward buffs?

@frosty pelican @gray ermine

[frosty pelican]

@tawdry fjord https://youtu.be/NAA8QSPRf-M

[tawdry fjord]

i have a specific question im confused about

@frosty pelican

do i need 4 copies of the level 7/8 rewards boosts?

or 1 copy applys to all 4 lenses?

[umbral saffron]

each lense is using its own telescpoe

I mean

each telescope is using its own lenses

[tawdry fjord]

@umbral saffron so im going the level 7/8 boosts, and then whats best for 3rd lense? just whatever im looking to target farm or what

[frosty pelican]

I explain that in the video how to determine the best lens

But yes most of the time that's true

[outer nacelle]

thanks for providing stuff to read, chans have been pretty dead lately.

[mortal nymph]

rly like how detailed ur videos r tyvm

[wheat coral]

Is 500k gold enough to get some decent loot out of arbor?

[smoky wigeon]

depends on what modifiers you hit

if you hit a +1 chest +1 chest unique to every chest and 1 or 2 double modifiers it could get interesting, but you are better of doing 1 or 2 prophecies and doing 1 mono from start to finish

also if you play cof just ignore lightless arbor honestly, but for mg it could get pretty good

[wheat coral]

It’s just I have nothing to spend my gold on is all

[wheat coral]

The thing is, I barely use my stash at all

So I’m just accumulating gold like wild

[stable hamlet]

Do what I did, buy around 90 stashes and organize them

[wheat coral]

But… I don’t use my stash that much

[stable hamlet]

All the Idols for every element, all gear for every element, for every combination

[wheat coral]

Ah, allow me to explain

SCF

[stable hamlet]

SCF?

[wheat coral]

Solo Character Found

[stable hamlet]

AH

[wheat coral]

My characters don’t share with each other

[wraith schooner]

Welp that make sense lol

[stable hamlet]

Why do solo found?

[wheat coral]

So all my characters can say they’re self made yo 😎

Plus it ups the difficulty

[stable hamlet]

That sounds like torture

I test my stuff in offline to theory craft. So I use mods

[wheat coral]

I’m only offline, except to play with friends and exes lol

I don’t really take my online characters seriously

They’re not SCF or anything because it doesn’t really matter to me

[stable hamlet]

Exes or .exe(s) sorry English ain't my first language

[wheat coral]

Exes, as in Ex-Girlfriends

[stable hamlet]

Got you

That sounds like fun

[wheat coral]

lol my bad, also your English is pretty radical

[wheat coral]

Yeah, as long as you maintain a good healthy friendship afterwards

[stable hamlet]

They broke up with you, make sure to make them regret that decision by aiding them

[wheat coral]

Actually…

I’ve always been the one to break up

[stable hamlet]

Carry them to 2000c

[wheat coral]

I’ve never been broken up with 😭

[stable hamlet]

Nothing wrong with that. Your mental health is more important

[wheat coral]

Bro i just reached 8 corruption myself

It’s my personal best 😭

[stable hamlet]

That's a lot? Is that with a Paladin or with Uncapped Necrotic Warlock?

[wheat coral]

Spellblade

And no it’s not a lot at all 😭

Just a random Spellblade I put together as my first character

[stable hamlet]

Oh 8, I read it as 8000

[wheat coral]

No no, 8

0008 😭

[stable hamlet]

Was going to say that is kind of nutty. Me here trying to make spellblade work and it's frustrating

[wheat coral]

What spells ya using?

I just slapped together all the melee spells to cosplay Mercutio from Romeo and Juliet

[stable hamlet]

I am using elemental martial damage [fire, ice, storm] with infused weapon

Problem is my damage is locked behind a 3LP double handed sword

[wheat coral]

I’m running Mana Strike, Shatter Strike, Flame Reave, Enchant Weapon, Surge

[wheat coral]

Wdym?

[stable hamlet]

There is a two hander that adds, 15? Or was it 25? Malee lightning, cold, and fire damage to all hits

[wheat coral]

Ye

Wait

[stable hamlet]

If you add to it %elemental damage

[wheat coral]

I only know of the one handed

[stable hamlet]

May be a one handed may be miss remembering

[wheat coral]

My build is haphazardly put together, but I can share it if you want

I just unlocked the last 3 monoliths

[stable hamlet]

Likely to much work to type out. I believe in you

I seen a lot of spellblades just use on elemental

Gonna make a build with max roll and then post it here. Think it's easiest way

[wheat coral]

Ah, I was just gonna upload it to the tools thing

And share it here

[wheat coral]

Max roll?

[wraith schooner]

A website that lets u build craft and share ur build with others

[wheat coral]

Ah

I’m only used to LETools

[wraith schooner]

That one also good

But maxroll build lets u see the skill tree progression from start to max lvl

[wheat coral]

Oh damn

[wraith schooner]

But maxroll dun have a lot of builds compared to LE tools tho, that's 1 downside

[timid vine]

..60+0.....0000000000000.00

[rough depot]

Guys, I am at 390 corruption on Reign of Dragons and still didnt drop a single Heart of Uhkeiros

Is it normal or the drop rate is bugged?

I have read that its fairly rare drop

[solid seal]

drop chance is around 35-40%. Check your loot filter and make sure you aren't hiding it.

[wheat coral]

Like, base drop chance? Say word to yo momma?

[rough depot]

Nope, I have every Unique to be shown on screen and I also turn off temporarily the loot filter just to be sure after every kill

[umbral saffron]

You might just be kinda unlucky then... most of the time I dropped the shield or the staff

[gray ermine]

@frosty pelican Would you happen to know the most efficient method of farming mages for experimental bases? Just hit my gloves and trying to decide if I want to bother going for T7

iirc corruption/rarity doesn't affect drop odds for mages, but does affect LP of dropped items... Not sure how that works for experimental items and the chance of hitting T6-7

[outer nacelle]

as a cof peasant, i've still found 0 t7 ward experimental gloves. but 3 x 3lp ladles and 1 4lp ladle.

[gray ermine]

yeah I've farmed like 10-15 3LP and never hit 4LP xD

just hit 3LP Mort Grasp into 3LP Maehlins on back to back glove prophecies though LOL... 5 pairs of 3LP Maehlins so far

[outer nacelle]

which t7 experimental are you going for? with that many 3lp ladles, im sure you've killed more mages than me, so you already know what your chances are of farming for it

[gray ermine]

Armor Mitigation to DoT, I have some T5-T6 and I'm sure I've prob seen T7 earlier on, but failed craft probably

[outer nacelle]

i dunno what's worse for us, the experimentals or timeline boss drops.

experimentals probably worse.

or what about the ultimate combo, t7 experimental on a 2lp shackles. gl

[gray ermine]

Wonder if I'm better off farming mages at lower corruption, not sure if rarity from corruption affects experiment drops/affix tiers for mages

[outer nacelle]

i felt like the experimentals i found in higher corruption were of higher rarity. but that's purely anecdotal and i dont have any data to back it up.

[wheat coral]

Why don’t you back that up with a source, senator?

[jolly spire]

sure, i have a 3x t6 experimental
therefore, it must be true

[frosty pelican]

There was a mage farm tech shared around, not one I've tried myself yet but this: https://imgur.com/a/OsLJ1qt

I believe it's from pre 1.0 might be better maps now but the strat makes sense

[frosty pelican]

My anecdote farming thousands of corruption and killing somewhere over 2k mages is 2x 3LP ladles, 0 T7 experimental Low Life affix, 0 T7 Frenzy, 0 T7 haste lol

A couple T7 other experimentals but very few, those were the ones I was looking for specifically

[umbral saffron]

I think I actually got t7 low life, but totally screw up the crafting because brain be too smooth... 😄

not sure if I kept it or yeeted it away... gonna take a look later

[frosty pelican]

Sad. I've been there. Same issue exists with exalts of a specific base type

CoF struggles to deal with that too. Eg. Oracle amulet or eternal gauntlet

[smoky wigeon]

some implicit stats on gear are completely useless like low armor rolls on boots, couldn't they add something more useful to these boots?

e.g celestial boots, shrine boots, arcane boots, they all have exactly 8 armor, it's completely useless

[hazy elm]

pretty sure mages are bugged you get way more their specific loot below 200 cor than on 1000+

[wheat coral]

Item scaling in this game is a little weird, i agree

[gray ermine]

I was farming multiple ladles per hour and have farmed 10-15 3LP @ 1.5-2k+

what I heard is that corruption/rarity doesn't seem to affect their drop rates, but seems to affect LP odds

I'm just gonna farm my exp base at max corruption to be safe anyway

LOL I just randomly pulled a gg T7 exp armor base HAHAHA

need to hit 1/3 removal

RIP...

[cloud river]

Anyone else has a issue with the CoF?
I finished a prophecy that should give me 8x a Unique Helmet, this was the result

[hazy elm]

are u sure u didnt complete another prophecy?

[cloud river]

Very sure, its also not the first time this happens to me

Also, i haven't seen prophecies yet that say they will give different kind of items, they seem to be always specific to some type

[solid seal]

Emperor of Corpses has what is essentially 3 loot tables. The first loot table has the catalyst and staff, you are guaranteed to get one of them as each item has a 50% chance of dropping. The second table is the relic only and drops about 35% of the time. The third table is the shield and drops about 35% of the time. I logged 227 kills at 600 corruption and saw an average of 1.8 items per kill (1 item = 38.3%, 2 item = 43.6%, 3 item = 18.1%). For the relic, I saw 56 0LP, 29 1LP, 1 2LP, and 1 3LP. There was 1 streak of 8 kills and 2 streaks of 6 kills that had no relic drop. Long streak of kills with a relic drop was 4.

[umbral saffron]

Im not a big math guy when it comes to games, even arpgs... I either get it or I dont get it 😄 but this is pretty impressive 🤔 even 2LP seems to be pretty damn rare tho

[solid seal]

<1% before cof rank 6 and corruption scaling. the 3 lp was completely unexpected

[umbral saffron]

I have no idea how many times Ive killed the Dragon overall... I would say like, 50-70 across all chars? And I think I got 3 hearts in total, 2 0LP and 1 1LP

[rough depot]

Then if math is real about the 35% chance for Hearth to drop, isnt drop rate broken?

[rough depot]

With that many kills

I even got Oceareon before hitting 300 corruption and I still dont have Heart of Uhkeiros

At 400 corruption

[solid seal]

my data was from 1.0.4-1.0.6

[umbral saffron]

Its a rough guess from me without any target farming or farming only Reign of Dragons monolith.... in the end, your best shot is just to keep killing the boss there 😄

[gray ermine]

u pulled a 3LP Heart in 227 kills?

insane

[solid seal]

227 logged kills. I probably have another 200+ from before that with only 1 2LP

[gray ermine]

still pretty insane

[limpid karma]

I believe relic/helm drop rates depend on item rarity (so higher corruption helps).
relic has 48% drop chance cap
helm has 45% drop chance cap

[solid seal]

1. There is no "Unique Helmet" prophecy that rewards 8 items. The three "Unique Helmet" prophecies reward 1 (1 LP), 2, and 5 items. 2/4/10 with 2x reward lens.
2. If you have "Always Show Reward Icons" visible, avoid clicking stars and reward icons overlapping. Instead, click the star/icon for that prophecy that isn't being overlapped.
3. Read the actual prophecy reward.
   a. Do not go by the icon as a few icons are reused by other prophecies that reward different item types/groups.
   b. Do not go by the prophecy name as each name represents a group of prophecy rewards that include the item type in addition to generic rewards. For the armour telescope, The Coronation, The Fortress, The Alchemist, Influence, and Roads Ahead prophecies are the primary prophecy names for Helms, Body Armours, Belts, Gloves, and Boots, respectively. The image below shows every reward for The Coronation (Helmets).

[frosty pelican]

Do we have an updated verdict on the optimal mage farm map?

[limber minnow]

I’m a necropolis streets enjoyer myself. No comparison data, just feels good.

[hazy elm]

i think the best one is new solarium map, forgot how its called but its super small

[outer nacelle]

i like boreal forest better than streets.

[frosty pelican]

ascent?

Lakeside trail any good?

Also heard some folks recommend Lagonian Arena

[slate sundial]

Saw this the other day
The same spawn location is better and faster
unlike other maps
Maybe you can make a better detailed video
https://youtu.be/Z5ley14Bcy4?si=tcczkdTAKnHspSvj

[frosty pelican]

Yea I was tihnking Lagonian too

[limber minnow]

Wouldn’t necropolis streets just be better? You get 1 to 2 visible shrines on load in and it’s the same chance to be an exile mage no?

[frosty pelican]

You have more visible shrines, but some of them aren't

So even if map has mage, you might not see

Lagon fewer shrines but all of them visible? IDK I need to do some testing

[limber minnow]

Ahh I understand. Even if every shrine has a chance to be a mage only 1 per map can be one. If what that guy said is true about 1/3 in lagonian. It felt the same in necro streets. I’ve farmed about 20 hours for ladles there.

I guess we could just count the total necro streets shrines and do the math.

[frosty pelican]

Yeah you should be able to find the answer with math

[ruby ivy]

@frosty pelican Solarum ascend is good if you want chests also. Otherwise Lagonian. Ive tried them all. Lakeside is crap. Metropolis is way too slow.
Lagonian loads quickly, small map.
Furthest away echo node like always.

[frosty pelican]

@ruby ivy so if only care about Ladle then Lagonian?

[ruby ivy]

Imo yes 🙂

[gray ermine]

Lagonian Arena is bad imo if ur playing at high corruption cause chance of dying on loot, also would need to clear all mage prophecies before farming (most of my defense comes from channeling so I'm particularly vulnerable when looting)

and I always preferred Solarum Ascent over Necro Streets because there's 3 spawns for both player/mage and the 2 northern spawns are basically side by side (I also have 200% MS)

statistically better chance of getting a mage per zone in if ur willing to move like 10 feet

if I get the 1 bad spawn (far South) I'll rezone, if I get one of the two northern spawns I'll check both, but you also have a 1/3 chance of the mage being at the southern spawn (just can't easily check the other 2)

[gray ermine]

Pretty sure the odds of mage in Solarum Ascent (per zone, assuming ur willing to check two spawns when u hit 2/3 good spawns) is 1/2, whereas it's 1/4 in Necro Streets (but you don't need to move). Solarum can also have pretty decent density, so I would typically kill a few packs when hitting the 2/3 spawn scenarios

Was mostly wondering if there has been any confirmation when it comes to corruption/zone rarity affecting the drops themselves rather than only LP odds (I believe this was the consensus earlier on), but I would assume that mages should function as any other mob in a zone and that corruption/rarity should affect them the same as everything else...

[gray ermine]

Why "furthest away" specifically? I thought this only mattered for shade drops

[ruby ivy]

More mage spawns

[gray ermine]

Ah k, I still thnik Lagonian is kinda sketchy at higher corruption, cause need to loot with waves spawning

[viral thorn]

Yes 😦

[cloud river]

When a prophecy says this, does it mean it will always be 1LP or minimal 1 LP ?

[hazy elm]

minimal

[slate sundial]

Moving around takes some time
I'd rather go out and in again fast
That's why Lagonian arena is better and faster because the mage location will always be visible the moment u enter
Saves a lot of time
I'm a runemaster so mobs will die eventually while i kill the mage fast

[gleaming trout]

might be a silly question, but does anyone know if idol prophecies have a different distribution (compared to random idol drops or shrines) for how they pick class affixes vs normal affixes?
I've been including idol prophecies regularly, but I don't think I've seen grand/ornate with nec res since february.

[cloud river]

From what i noticed is that the prophecies have their own items that drop.
For example, the Exiled Mage drops the wand Mad Alchemist ladle.
But a prophecy that says kill a Exiled Mage to drop Unique wands can not drop the Mad Alchemist Ladle.
It can drop because of the mage, but not because of the prophecy

[solid seal]

Nope. Prophecies simply reward items, most of which go through the normal rules for item generation. Some shortcuts are available, like the 1LP prophecies that uses the Julra ring item generation. Necro Res on Grand Idols (3x1) and Ornate Idols (4x1) have an 80% reroll chance.

[solid seal]

Prophecy rewards are from the random drops pool. Exiled Mage is a specific monster and the Mad Alchemists Ladle is a monster specific item drops, not random item drop. Similarly, crafted and quest items cannot be obtained via prophecies.
https://www.lastepochtools.com/checklist/uniques/random
https://www.lastepochtools.com/checklist/uniques/monster-specific
https://www.lastepochtools.com/checklist/uniques/quest-specific
https://www.lastepochtools.com/checklist/uniques/fracture (crafted)

[gleaming trout]

Well if you are correct about that 80% reroll chance, that answers the discrepancy between what I expected and my farming yields. That means the affix should be listed as rare, and explains my personal experience in not finding them.

The first thing I did before asking here was check LET https://i.imgur.com/kTk1BlU.png, but perhaps you can tell me if that is not up to date or I'm somehow looking at the wrong thing.

[solid seal]

https://lastepoch.tunklab.com/affix/idol_necrotic_resistance

[gray ermine]

What actually matters is the likelihood of mage spawn per instance vs. other farming methods, mage is also immediately in vision range in Necro Streets and statistically you have a 1/4 chance of hitting mage per instance and it's guaranteed to be mostly or completely isolated. In Solarum Ascent you have a 1/2 chance of hitting mage per instance with the method I use (5-10s of movement required on 1/3 attempts). The mage can also be completely isolated (my build does much more DPS to isolated targets). Also, farming Lagonian Arena mage at 3.5k+ corruption is probably just not a thing in general cause as I said chance of dying on loot is high... If you're playing at 200c, sure.

I'm assuming it isn't 100% chance of mage on every zone, and even then I prob wouldn't bother cause high corruption

[slate sundial]

Lagonian arena aside
Got more ladles from the lake map than necro street map
Also i got more 2lp at 150c than 1000c for some reason
I didn't try other farming maps

[gray ermine]

yeah idk RNG will be RNG, but mine seems consistently better at higher corruption

when it comes to Ladle drops and LP

haven't tested extensively though, just anecdotal/my experience over time

[gray ermine]

I also asked in "ask the devs" this morning, and they seem to have confirmed mage drops scaling w/ corruption in the post referenced in the reply. Whether it's working as intended I guess is what's being debated?

[slate sundial]

Apparently scaling is very very low worh c but still better to be higher for other drops
My friend as well got more ladle drops in low c than higher c so weird

[gray ermine]

Well, you need to weigh kill times into it as well... if you can kill significanlty more mages/hr at lower c that obviously matters

and yeah I've heard there's a hard cap on certain aspects of corruption bonuses, but that isn't the case for the generic "increased rarity" provided by corruption as u push

[slate sundial]

I've killed more at 1000c actually than lower
Very small increase of rarity
Well i'm done with mage farm It's a very time consuming process

[frosty pelican]

I was enjoying lakeside trail, seemed better than solarium

[gray ermine]

Will check it out for sure, but I think odds of mage in solarum is 1/2 per instance(assuming ur willing to check 2/3 spawns when u hit 2/3 northern spawns, I basically have 200%+ static MS so it takes me 5-10s).

might have missed a step when calculating the odds

it's been a while and brain too lazy to think things through properly

[frosty pelican]

checking spawns sucks though

and I find if I leave the reset loop, my brain autopilots sometimes

and I just full clear

[gray ermine]

yeah the thing is I have really good mobility and can do damage while moving

Solarum also tends to have decent density

so I can kill a few packs when checking the two northern spawns... think I wa sgetting around 75-100k favor/hr while farming mages back at 1750

and the amount of time I need to invest to kill while moving is basically 0

[frosty pelican]

I guess yea thats fine

[gray ermine]

I would agree it's specifically good for my build, and prob not so much for many others

moving to check both spawns at high corruption specifically

@frosty pelican I will actually farm Lakeside Trail if it's better than Necro Streets though, are u actually testing and making a vid?

cause Solarum can't spawn on my current farming timeline and I'd prefer to isolate my mage/favor farming at this point anyway

Oof Lakeside Trail can't spawn on Spirits of Fire either

[frosty pelican]

dunno

Might make a video

[solid seal]

is there a third party site that has screenshots of the various layouts of the monolith areas in the game? Tunklab has the dungeon area layouts but not the monolith area layouts

[limber minnow]

Think you’re talking about a different ladle brother.

[strong tide]

Does anyone want a free carry in t4 Temporal Sanctum? I gotta farm Julra

[autumn hound]

I was just about to ask this. Also, is this kind of prophecy worth it to take? costs around 59k favor if i can recall.

[outer nacelle]

general consensus is that it's not worth it

[gray ermine]

Didn't see a 2lp Twisted Heart in prob over a month and just dropped two back to back... lol.

Make it make sense

[outer nacelle]

gl. surely this time?

[gray ermine]

Slams 7 and 8 inc xDD... still need to farm exalt bases

[wheat coral]

What show we watching in the background my fellow coffers?

[gray ermine]

Regional lenses don't affect actual drop rates, do they? Seems like I'm seeing an absurd number of unique relics after swapping to the relic lens and dropped two 2lp hearts in a row

[livid spruce]

Right, they just affect the prophecy rerolling

[gray ermine]

Yeah it's prob just RNG... really strange how my Twisted Heart RNG went from absolutely ABYSMAL to completely insane after swapping to relic lens

I went from barely dropping them to dropping almost every kill, and hit two 2lps in a row... after not seeing one for over a month

[livid spruce]

Rng giveth, rng taketh, it is the eternal cycle

[gray ermine]

I mean yeah, but this is a pretty strange coincidence xDD

[wheat coral]

Bro is a booster lmao, bro who pays for a boost in Last Epoch 😭

Dude they boost for free if you just ask out here 😭

[smoky wigeon]

Payed boosting is (pretty sure) bannable

[silk ridge]

Lol, they even changed their profile text

[wheat coral]

Where Firestarter torch

[livid spruce]

Basically anywhere

[wheat coral]

Word?

I just suck then lol

Was wondering if a specific timeline was better for it or something

[wheat coral]

Are the timelines mentioned on LETools website accurate for target farming uniques?

[mossy fractal]

Well if you are CoF I would say that it barely matter where you farm since you will get most things through prophesies apart from boss uniques that is.

[wheat coral]

Good lookingtons

[tight valley]

Yes to also still answer your question they are. besides the answer that sved also gave is a better method unless you get lucky with getting the same timeline that drops that type of item then that's 2 in one lol

Fiery dragon shoes 2lp does not wanna drop at all so I'm doing both prophecies and running the spirits of fire

[livid spruce]

And to be extra clear, it only really matters which timeline for random drops if you're running empowered

[wraith flare]

Question: Do prophesies that say kill champ in Arena Level 2 drop lower level/quality gear, or do I still have a chance to get good gear (Uniques with 2 or more Leg Pot)? So, should I skip those prophesies and only do higher level arenas?

[gray ermine]

Well I failed my first four 1lp RR slams... Two more remain.

Also want one for my rogue zzZZzz

[outer nacelle]

never lucky

[outer nacelle]

do higher if you can, tier 4 arena will tick off any tier 2 arena stuff. also, people generally dodge arena prophs but you can do it if you like it

just hit this 1/6. lucky

[jolly spire]

<@&1161418687471956101>

[limber minnow]

Grats man. When are you doing your arena push 🧐

[outer nacelle]

probs today

just hit this 1/4 also

[limber minnow]

Jesus. Nice

[outer nacelle]

the battle to not fall asleep.

[limber minnow]

Grats. You quit or come across something random like a beefed up tundra stalker?

Your gear almost at MG levels.

[outer nacelle]

yeah, thought i could face tank some kitties. guess not

[limber minnow]

Haha ya. It’s always those or smoldering lithracs that get my paladin. If I don’t move right away.

[outer nacelle]

if those smouldering things were in arena we'd be dying to those for sure haha

i die to those all the time on my rogue while mapping

[limber minnow]

I’m not even sure how the damage scaling on the tundra stalkers even work. Sometimes they just one shot. Sometimes nothing.

[outer nacelle]

yeah they ripped through my ward like it was butter. i wasn't really paying attention

because nothing else was really a threat up until then

[wheat coral]

CoF represent!

Wait, are you #1 with CoF gear?

[outer nacelle]

that's the ssf leaderboard, so everyone there would be cof

[wheat coral]

Ah, assumed solo just meant like by yourself as in no party

[outer nacelle]

there's a 1 player leaderboard also, which has cof and mg players in it

that's what frozensentinel has to play on, even though he's cof

so really, he has the true rank 1 ssf

but i have it on a technicallity

[wheat coral]

But to be honest, I find SCF to be the true test of will

[near phoenix]

please keep self promo videos in the appropriate video sharing channel #🎥┃video-shoutout

[gray ermine]

RIP to 6 1lp Red Rings so far... my slam RNG is the absolute WORST

[gray ermine]

PSA - Info Node Beacons can be farmed on every reset for +9-10k favor (for me at 3.9kc) xDDD

Seems time efficient to hit them

Mobs also follow u thru the map, so if lower mobility u can hit the beacon adn they'll funnel into u as u clear

Must outweigh the downsides of CoF with degen favor farming strats

I'm thinking the strat could be to spam Solarum Ascent Info Node cause u can hit the beacon quickly on every reset and it tends to have decent density otherwise

Might not be worth compared to an outdoor layout that consistently has better spawns overall

[frosty pelican]

❤️ - grats on your rank 1, and yeah I should have made on SCF since I play fully SSF anyway, competing with MG as CoF for ladder ranks is really tough

I think the elemental breath cat was how I ripped too tbh

[livid spruce]

You can run SAF instead, it's on the same leaderboard as SCF iirc

[outer nacelle]

i kinda wish you were on the ssf leaderboad, then i would have the motivation to beat your score. right now it's like..yeah i could try and beat myself, but do i want to spend another 3-4 hours doing this....nah not really

Skurge will probably beat my score anyway, lets see. then i'll have another go

[frosty pelican]

Maybe next league but I already put so much time in, would be pointless to restart now

I think skurge build is probably better for Arena ladder than mine

[outer nacelle]

are you happy with CoF as it stands? would you play CoF again next cycle?

[frosty pelican]

Happy or not, I don't enjoy trade

There are some major issues I think could be addressed, but overall it's a good experience

[outer nacelle]

yeah i dont really like trade either. can you make a vid about your issues with CoF so they devs can see it, because they dont seem to want to add prophs for boss drops which is my main issue

[frosty pelican]

I could, yea.

I think my big issues are exalt bases, like finding a t7 int eternal is a nightmare for CoF. Or a decent Oracle amulet.
Then exalts in general cost way too much relative to how much you get.
Boss drops aren't so bad with monos since you do a lot while pushing, but they feel awful for unenjoyable and trivial content like dungeons, arena, etc.
Mage drops also suck to farm. I have over 2k mage kills and only ever dropped 3x 3LP ladles, and no T7 experimental of many affixes, frenzy, haste, low life, etc.
Let alone trying to find an experimental on a certain base.
Also even total crap 4LPs that sell for like maybe 1 million gold on MG, or less, are still almost unontainable for CoF

Would be nice if we had some sort of crafting bonus too, after finding 1 mediocre exalt in like several million favor, to miss a removal, or worse, hit the removal and still eat all your FP feels demoralizing

but just getting more attempts alone would already be good

[limber minnow]

I’m in t7 oracles amulet purgatory as we speak

[unique haven]

<@&1161418687471956101>

[signal iris]

yeah agree to this..they didnt even put eternal gaunt, brass/oracle amulet on cof or the best they can put is the chance to duplicate boss drops on cof xD

[frosty pelican]

Hey fellow CoF enthusiasts, I've been asked for a while to put together a collection of feedback on CoF as a faction and finally got around to it. This contains a bunch of my own concerns and idea's and also concerns and idea's I've heard repeated by CoF players over the last couple months. Please let me know your thoughts!
https://youtu.be/kL4meUguZPI

[azure ice]

Wow this is great! Thanks for your hard work and dedication. I too find many mechanics and decisions by EHG to be weird. Hopefully in future cycles things get better

[tropic summit]

So cof still feels bad huh?

[livid spruce]

Nah, I think it's pretty good personally

[gray ermine]

If you consider favor generation at the expected corruption ceiling, the disparity in gearing curve between CoF and MG is laughable

[jolly spire]

solo vs crowdsourcing was never going to be comparable

[gray ermine]

Obviously, but the level of disparity matters

[hazy elm]

higly depends on the build

there are plenty who doesnt need 7 lp items

[gray ermine]

It isn't only legendary crafting

also my build can push 1-2k+ basically naked

that's beside the point

[hazy elm]

idk imo builds like rive for example are easily done on COF since you only need orobus belt/ring and everything else is exalteds

[gray ermine]

Fairly confident that CoF will be a barren wasteland if boss drops and legendary crafting isn't looked at specifically, loot vomit/visual clutter and prophecy rolling is also somewhat of an issue. 99.9% of players who place any amount of value on their time will go MG if things don't drastically change.

[hazy elm]

but when you need more than 3 lp items and some of them are rare then cof is screwed

[gray ermine]

Assuming they want to achieve a reasonable amount of progress

[hazy elm]

in 1.1 for sure, with harbingers and pinnacle bosses without adjusting system no point going cof

[gray ermine]

I agree that certain builds will obviously do better in the current state of CoF, but I'd also be willing to bet none of them have a chance of pushing ladder

[hazy elm]

ye 2 lp items imo thats the limit of cof

maybe 3 if they are common

[gray ermine]

U can force a lot of stuff if u push high corruption + invest a lot of time

It's mostly a numbers game

certain builds can abuse current system to generate insane favor and actually get items

but it requires breaking the game + insane time investment

[hazy elm]

well im assuming they will adjust corriuption/power so we wont see 2k+cor

cause cof is heavily carried by that

[gray ermine]

Yep, my primary point is that especially when considering the expected corruption ceiling, CoF is in the gutter

assuming current favor generation @ 300-500c

[hazy elm]

well good for mg 😏 less players on cof=more items on the market 😏

imo even IF they adjust the bosses and cof i dont see a point for casual player going there, unless they completely dont care about power of their build and fine being hardstuck

its more like ssf challenge

[gray ermine]

I think it should take maybe 3-5x time investment to reach equivalent stat spreads on CoF maybe.... and getting true bis double T7 slams and stuff should be near impossible... in the current state it feels like 15-20x+ time investment required

and that's assuming 2k+ corruption lol

[gray ermine]

Yeah I get this, but SSF will be pretty dead I think if the gap isn't bridged at least a bit

to even hit like 70-80% of theoritcal cap for most endgame builds seems nearly impossible

[hazy elm]

i think so on 1.1 mainly cause its highly unlikely that ehg will adjust boss issue seriously, but also cause A LOT of people got baited in cof on 1.0 but then had to switch to mg, in next cycle all those new players will be in mg right away

[azure ice]

Lenses and boss items need to be addressed. Too much favor is wasted on rerolls. LP2 boss items are rare and 3LP boss items are practically non existent for COF

[hazy elm]

well they are non existant on mg too lol

[gray ermine]

I think boss drops are mostly fine and only need slight adjustments for CoF personally, number of RNG layers involved with the acatual LP crafting process is a much bigger issue imo.... Rolling prophecies feels bad, but I also generate an insane amount of fav or which increases the amount of time I need to spend rolling. Loot vomit/visual clutter is my other major complaint (but again this is exacerbated by favor generation).

[hazy elm]

there are couple that appeared and those get snatched before you can buy them

[gray ermine]

Dupes from prophecies need to be physically linked to the original somehow...

With the amount of time I spend rolling prophecies and looking at loot, I might as well just be trading xD

[jolly spire]

and spend that time complaining about how bad the MG UI is

[azure ice]

Also let’s not forget EHG does not like 4 digit corruption, which is basically required to run COF effectively

[gray ermine]

Things can prob be easily adjusted on the content side.... They can play into build strength and adjust content to compensate or vice versa, same goes for favor generation. Based on what I've seen, they should probably increase the rate at which Monolith scales and keep favor generation roughly equivalent

[hazy elm]

massively drop prices of prophecies, then double the prophecy pool so less rerolls, make an option for a list instead of weird constilations with stars

[gray ermine]

They should buff up rather than nerf down and play more into build strength if possible imo, while adjusting content to compensate.... because it just feels better on the player side.

but yeah idk BACK TO THE GRIND

[azure ice]

Or actually fix all the bugs and not cherry pick bugged builds

[hazy elm]

would also be a cool idea if they add smth like hordarim cube from d3, with an option to remove uniques from your drops completely, so its similar to lenses but with specific items

[gray ermine]

There are quite a few non bugged, "ethical" builds that can push 2-3kc+ lol... Mine will prob push 7-10k+ solo

I do think Warlock/Ghostflame in general are in the "needs nerf" category though

[azure ice]

But then that circles back to EHG not liking 4 digit corruption and considering high corruption builds “over tuned”

[gray ermine]

Which circles back to what I said about adjusting content to compensate for build strength and not vice versa

The issue I think when playing more into build strength is making sure that there are enough "good builds" for competitive players to not be pidgeonholed into strict metas

[azure ice]

Yeah I agree I don’t know why they won’t bring buff up

[gray ermine]

One of the issues*, but yeah idk

[gray ermine]

@frosty pelican Just did nearly 700k in 1 hr using the info node/beacon strat (2 deaths, 2.5 XP Shrines), seems consistent. I think multiple layouts could be good (on an info node) and it likely varies based on build, having a relatively small/mostly linear layout that can also have good density spawns seems to be ideal (more densely populated = easier to round up big pulls, Imperial Warcamp, Waste Pools, Solarum Ascent, etc.). I highly prioritize rushing the beacon and killing what I can on the way unless the spawn is REALLY good. Any time I see Scorpions, Archyreans, Profane Flesh, Meruna Ogre, Ice Goliath, Beetles, etc., I know it's probably going to be at least a decent run.

I'm also unsure how XP shrines interact w/the XP cap on beacon (capped at 9-10k favor for me per reset @3.9k). I'm unsure if favor is hard capped to X value, or if it's based on # of kills and this matters in terms of how to play XP shrines.

I think mileage will highly vary based on build, high mobility and the ability to do BIG pulls w/o dying is ideal.

I honstly think Echo Information Solarum Ascent + beacon rush might be ideal.... Can guarantee 15-20k+ favor per run and for me a run would likely be 1-2m.... It's also the most ideal layout for mage farming w/ high mobility. I'll likely hunt for one after I push to 5-6k and go back to farming.

One caveat is that you probably don't want to have any rare monster prophecies active when doing this. I'll typically dump all of my prophecies at the end of the day, and do one big session in the morning where I grind to 800-900k+ favor.

[livid spruce]

Why does everyone always want to compare the factions? There's no way they will ever compete unless they completely obliterate the market, which would be silly. CF is fun and gives people who don't want to trade an option that isn't just playing SSF in a game balanced around trade existing.

[gray ermine]

I honestly don't even want to dignify this with a respone because I'm so tired of repeating myuself

When there are a grand total of 10 players on the solo leaderboards, maybe something will change

half of those slots will be taken by me btw

watch end of cycle

It's mostly subjective and a matter of value ofc, but if CoF is too far behind MG in terms of gearing curve, SSF will be barren (moreso than it would be otherwise)

[azure ice]

No one is comparing factions. We are discussing COF and areas that need improvement

[livid spruce]

I mean, that's largely the point though. No reason to play SSF since you have CF and then you can still play with others.

[gray ermine]

Certain things should be nearly impossible as CoF, it's mostly about the relative time investment required to hit X point in the progression curve

MG should certainly taper up very highly toward the high end of gearing in terms of it out pacing CoF

but I don't think gearing curves should diverge too much before 70-80% of theoretical stat caps

There's some give and take there, but yeah idk... CoF does not feel good at all atm

[wheat coral]

It doesn’t?

[gray ermine]

Wrong

[wheat coral]

Wat

[gray ermine]

4kc 800-900h+ in cycle 1 and I just farmed 1 million favor in 1.5h (I took a break, 650-700k/h)

[wheat coral]

Das pretty good

[gray ermine]

I can assure u CoF gearing curve is not even within the same realm as MG atm

[livid spruce]

It basically always will, especially past your first character. Trade is strong.

[gray ermine]

it isn't even in the same universe

[wheat coral]

Agreed

[gray ermine]

You're missing the point

[wheat coral]

MG will always be stronger

[gray ermine]

That is beside the point

Holy

[wheat coral]

But I’m still CoF brotha

[gray ermine]

yeah I'm done devs can do what they want with their game xD

yeah same

that's irrelevant though

[wheat coral]

I was replying to

[wheat coral]

^

[jolly spire]

it's never going to be in the same universe
i'm surprised you even think it's in the same dimension

[gray ermine]

My primary point is that if the disparity is TOO great, SSF will just be dead... Obviously SSF should be more difficult as I have iterated multiple times

The length of the bridge/size of the disparity is what matters and needs to be looked at

[wheat coral]

Ahhhh

All my characters are SCF

[gray ermine]

unless they want top 10 slots of solo ladder to all say SkurgeX cause nobody else is playing SSF

[wheat coral]

I honestly don’t think SCF players are going for leaderboards though

[livid spruce]

SSF is just a challenge mode, I don't think they exactly want tons of people playing it

[wheat coral]

Maybe they are, idk

[gray ermine]

I understand this

[wheat coral]

SCF >

Superior way to play

Don’t @ me

[livid spruce]

May as well go HCSCF Masochist

[wheat coral]

Nah dying is part of my strategy

[wheat coral]

HCSCF Forge Guard

[livid spruce]

HCSCF is unironically pretty cool tbf

[gray ermine]

if the game were HC viable xD

I've died in load screen to spires at least 15-20 times

[wheat coral]

Wat mean

[gray ermine]

another 15-20+ to crashes

[wheat coral]

F

[livid spruce]

Heh yeah there's that

[gray ermine]

performance is not to a point where HC is viable, period

[wheat coral]

Doesn’t it have a grace period?

[gray ermine]

unless these issues are only on my end somehow lol

[gray ermine]

Seems to bug out sometimes

I have died in load screen w/o touching my keyboard

multiple times

[wheat coral]

Ah, never had that

But I play offline

[gray ermine]

yeah i'm talking specifically about online ofc

offline is diff

[wheat coral]

Makes sense to me

[livid spruce]

Offline is a bit less buggy yeah

[wheat coral]

I don’t see the point in playing online solo unless for leaderboards

[gray ermine]

Yeah I play for leaderboards as would 99.9% of competitive players

We're probably not the norm though, for the most part

[wheat coral]

Praise EHG for CoFfline mode

[livid spruce]

When they eventually add more relevant leaderboards, I'm sure it'll pick up a bit more

Very very few care about arena leaderboards

[wheat coral]

Maybe, but the players who don’t care about them now probably won’t ever

[gray ermine]

yeh I wish there was a mono leaderboard tbh, I haven't even pushed arena yet

No point in wasting time before capping out build in mono

[livid spruce]

Yeah, like I'll never bother with them. Kinda fun to see people compete sometimes though.

[wheat coral]

It’s cool to see how far players are pushing it though

[livid spruce]

Yup, they've definitely pushed it way beyond what the devs expected lol

[wheat coral]

To be fair

Players > Devs

in like any game

[gray ermine]

I would say that overall I'm impressed with how the game turned out after coming back

I played a lot very early on, like 3+ years ago, and didn't really play again until cycle 1

but there are still many, many issues

[wheat coral]

I started cycle 1

And yeah a lot of issues for sure

Solid foundation though

[livid spruce]

Yeah, it's like running a monte carlo on the game to solve it

[hazy elm]

I dont think Devs are even concerned with how COF is vs MG, but more about "if u can do all content comfortably on COF", but i might be wrong

they said they are very happy with current system

[gray ermine]

How the gearing curve is balanced between trade/SSF will likely dictate which % of the playerbase shifts toward trade

SSF will always have less players, but if the disparity is too great, it will be a ghost town, relatively speaking

Seems sus

[hazy elm]

depends on what ehg wants cause frankly speaking ssf is a ghost town in any other arpg too

[jolly spire]

wonder if EHG is willing to release something like the % of players in each faction
from cycle to cycle

[gray ermine]

I mean yeah, but there are levels to this xD... It could be a ghost town or a barren wasteland with at least half of the top 10 ladder spots dedicated to a single player (my prediction).

[livid spruce]

The way I see it, the only people who will play SSF will be people who are going for the challenge and leaderboards of it. Not your general population of people who would be swayed by gearing difficulty.

With how small the SSF population is maybe it wouldn't make sense to do this yet, but really I wish the SSF modes each had their own ladder, because SCF is significantly more restrictive than SAF lol

but again, maybe the challenge modes will get more attention when there's leaderboards people care about

[gray ermine]

I'd be willing to bet there are a significant number of players who would prefer to play CoF/SSF, but are swayed toward MG specifically due to difficulty of gearing and the number of "feel bad" moments caused by crafting and LP system.

I'm sure this is the case now and will continue to be the case in the future if something doesn't change

[livid spruce]

Sure, trade is the faction for people who just want the power of trade. You could definitely make a case for burden of optimal play... that said, unless they remove the system entirely, I think that'll always be the case. I'd love for them to think up a cool solution that solves everything, but until then all we can do is adjust mindset and expectations.

[wheat coral]

I don’t think CoF has to be on par with MG tbh

It could use a buff, but I don’t think it’s got to be on equal terms with MG

[gray ermine]

Nobody is arguing for that xD

[wheat coral]

Not currently, but quite a few people do make that argument

[azure ice]

Yeah we are not saying it needs to be the same power as MG. Items that are not in the global loot pool are difficult to get with COF. Something needs to be done

Forzensent made a good video basically explaining all the issues

[frosty pelican]

People seem to think I'm making that argument tbh whenever I point out things I think could be improved with CoF lol

[frosty pelican]

Do different rares give different amounts of xp? Also how does the XP from rares compare to densely packed group of trash mobs?

I'm curious if high damage builds would still prefer something like the ritual lake farm I showed before

and big AoE builds prefer your setup

[gray ermine]

I've been meaning to test this specifically, but it's pretty difficult to gauge

[frosty pelican]

nah, you just lure 1 mob alone and check xp lol

[wheat coral]

I’m referring to the people who explicitly say it lol

Idek if CoFfline needs a buff or not

[gray ermine]

yeah it's moreso that I'm too lazy and dont feel like pulling 1 by and tracking by each mob type

[frosty pelican]

People also explicitly say the factions should be combined, no restriction on equipping gear lol

[wheat coral]

Is there a way to speed run corruption btw? It’s annoying to gain so little corruption at once

[frosty pelican]

These are things I really hope EHG doesn't do

[wheat coral]

Yeah I don’t really mind the divide, but I see the argument for combining them. Though, if they combined them, they’d have to nerf CoF

And I don’t want that

[frosty pelican]

If they combined them it would defeat the point of CoF existing

[gray ermine]

I do think that farming an Information Echo specifically is probably ideal, seems hyper time efficient to rush beacon and kill 3-4 waves then reset.

[wheat coral]

Somewhat, yeah

[frosty pelican]

I think after 50% it stops giving xp?

[wheat coral]

It’s really just design philosophy that comes into question at that point

[gray ermine]

it's capped at 9-10k per reset for me

not sure how it interacts w/ XP shrine, likely a hard cap

but on bad spawns I typically rush beacon and guarantee 15-20k+ favor for a half run, on good runs I can net 70k+ w/ no xp shrine

and yeah I can't really be bothered to test XP of individual mobs cause I'm confident at this point what I'm doing is pretty optimal

for my build at least

and spawns are super RNG anyway

Beacon provides consistently time efficient favor, seems pretty huge for what I'm doing

When I say "rush the beacon", I mean clear to beacon, kill 3-4 waves (cap favor from beacon), and reset, which is typically what I've been doing unless the spawn is what I consider to be top tier (many rares + density)

[gray ermine]

Also in regards to this, the spawns seem to be roughly the same across the zones I listed with maybe some slight variation. There seem to be certain layouts that are a bit more confined/linear that can also spawn high density, which means the zone is more densely populated which should benefit pretty much any build.

and I basically 1 shot rares at 3.9k in isolation lol

but I also have literal exponential scaling vs density

and +106% MS at all times

[wheat coral]

2x Aurelis with LP in one day

It hurts.

Doing age of winter right now

Cannot wait to clap Heorot

He deserves it

For getting off screened in the campaign

What a loser

Heorot is such a loser

[frosty pelican]

I guess I'm curious as I was doing over 400k at 3k corr hunting rares on ritual with fairly low single target, I imagine someone able to onrshot them at 4k corr would be doing over double that but certainly not my build

Perhaps marksman DA

Your setup looks really good though. The old setup I was doing wasn't enough of an improvement over normal echos to justify doing but maybe your reset is worth

[wheat coral]

Someone said Merophage is 5 LP

it can take implicit affixes can it not?

[hazy elm]

it can take sealed

[wheat coral]

Yessss

5 LP Beauty

I never want to see anyone clowning Merophage ever again

COMPLETE EVERY TIMELINE LETS GOOOOOOO

EMPOWERED MONOS HERE A BROTHA COMES

[limber minnow]

Chat

[wheat coral]

Online offline chat >

[civic lodge]

any buff to CoF next league?

i havent played in quite awhile

[jolly spire]

we don't know yet
but it's doesn't seem likely

[livid spruce]

Seems pretty likely tbh, but we just really don't know anything other than they are definitely changing stuff.

[gray ermine]

Yeah overall it's pretty difficult to say w/o more extensive testing, and I would agree that ideal strat/layout could vary a lot based on build and corruption level. I actually have a Ritual Lake open atm, but I can't even get through a 30m test because it feels so much worse xD.

Across two 1 hour sessions I pulled 650k and 700k @ 4612% bonus XP which seems significantly better than anything else I've been doing. One thing I don't like about Ritual Lake is how spread out the mobs/spawns tend to be and the amount of time that it takes to traverse the map. It does seem like more narrow/linear maps that can also spawn good density (Imperial War Camp, Waste Pools, etc.) are likely better due to being more densely populated (time between camps/pulls will be lower and load screen in non existent, therefore).

I also need to test this more, but it seems like mobs from the beacon might give proportionally more XP than average mobs. It seems incredibly time efficient for me to do half runs to the beacon and then reset. It also somewhat acts as an insurance policy vs bad/mediocre spawns, as I'm pretty much guaranteed 15-20k for for a half run which takes 1-2m, and the "good spawns" where I pull 60-70k+ for a single run seem to make up for it. Spawns seem very RNG, so I don't think spam resetting into a "good spawn" is worth it, which is a part of what I believe makes the beacon so strong.

In reality I should be pushing to 5-6k+ right now as I've gotten a lot stronger in the last few days, but can still get significantly stronger and imo mindlessly farming favor is more chill/less stressful than pushing.

Regardless, all builds will have a "ceiling" in terms of clear speed/favor farming efficiency that will likely occur before your actual ceiling, meaning that once clear speed starts to falter, stopping to farm and utilizing strategies like this is probably ideal to maximize favor generation (assuming you don't currently want to be pushing).

I do think what I'm doing requires relatively high mobility and the ability to pull large packs w/o dying as well as having good single target vs rares in isolation (I don't actually "one shot", but kill them very quickly, 2-3s tops typically). That kinda goes without saying though, more mobility and DPS is always going to = bigger number.

[frosty pelican]

Yea that might be a play. Pushing just becomes so tedious after a point, it's trivially easy but struggling to stay motivated when the diminishing increases of corruption scaling kick in

I wish difficulty and xp scaling was exponential or something

[gleaming trout]

Well I think if they go by the definition that builds that can sleep their way through the 4 digit corruption climb are overturned and should be nerfed, then it partly addresses this from a different angle. I see good but not overtuned builds as those that can manage mid hundreds or maybe even climb to 1k, but climbing through 4 digits should be slow/risky/sweaty.

[frosty pelican]

I don't disagree, though there will always be those of us who dedicate ridiculous amounts of efficiently used time into min-maxing. If an average player can take a good build to 800 or whatever with a fairly strong effort, a grinder like myself of Skurge will naturally take it much further with gear that is many times better just through sheer volume of drops

Some of these builds do absolutely need giant nerfs, we agree, though it's also a delicate balance since right now corruption linearly scales your favor, which is the lifeblood of CoF gearing.

Eg. if 500 corruption becomes twice as difficult in absolute terms, it's actually more than twice as difficult for CoF players since they will be getting much less favor per time spent during progression due to increased difficulty

[gleaming trout]

Oh certainly, and that all is why I don't agree with the person that wants to cap corruption. The 4 digit climb can remain in the game for showing off your work and mechanical execution.

[frosty pelican]

Indeed, the pursuit of "game breaking" interactions IS the game for a lot of players

[limber minnow]

hit 2.5k corr on my CoF VK. Still pushing up 😎

[gleaming trout]

But also it's all relative. I think you might overestimate the time and energy that the middle ground players are putting in to climbing. The ones using meta might still go past 800. But a lot that are variety gamers, in other words, not maining this game, and if also not following meta, might already be slowing down by ~4-500 within one cycle time. The grinders could take that same build to 1500 instead.

[wheat coral]

Honestly they should leave corruption untouched

[gleaming trout]

True. That's why the kind of improvement you or I have suggested on yt or Reddit are doubly important. I've posted about ways to shore up weaknesses such as an alternate mechanism to connect favor to non-global drops. To use myself as another example, I have yet to land a single exalted on twisted heart at all. Playing a poison warlock and purposefully avoiding like 5 meta things because they're too mainstream. 700c now trying to decide if I'd want to hit 1k just to say I did, but honestly been enjoying Halo more instead this month. Also past 500c the favor gain hasn't been bad. I'm regularly getting close to filling up my prophecy slots and I have to actively think about clearing them fast enough to make space.

[frosty pelican]

yea absolutely, I was more talking about the "good" builds, like FC. I think a casual player shouldn't have an issue going past 500 corr with whatever the current "broken" flavor happens to be, though I'd bet the vast majority of players don't go past 200

Ah yeah the non-globals is extremely hard to get for CoF, and even some niche globals that are insanely abundant for MG are tough for CoF. Our ability to try new things is also fairly limited, even if I want to dip my toes into a totally different build, to get crap gear with some desired affixes takes time these same items are often ~0 gold on the bazaar

And it's not like we can just hoard gear for every build, stash space constraints are a problem for CoF unless you are pushing insane corruption and dropping 100k+ gold per pop frequently. And even then, I am basically at the stash cap and I can burn through an entire stockpile of a given exalt affix trying to slam a unique before getting something I can use

[limber minnow]

Ya but if you play CoF you are super cool.

[cloud wyvern]

has anyone had an issue where you die to a boss and then when youd defeat it the prophecy shows fulfilled but nothing droops?

[wheat coral]

CoFfline gang forever

[gleaming trout]

reminds me I had gone into game to screencap something spooky for you but the convo had died. beware 👻
https://i.imgur.com/G7hzQ1D.png

[wheat coral]

Idek what I’m looking at and it’s already scaring me

There’s like 5 separate things in this photo that make me uncomfortable

[mossy fractal]

Close enough. Switched time against Julra and she died a sec after. Got nothing. Not a biggie though compared to the tons of skills not working so I did not even write a bug report.

[gray ermine]

Just pulled 750k favor in 1 hour, new personal best I think xDDD Seed of Chaos go brrrrrrrr - From roughly 15k to 980k in 1h15m

[sage dove]

i need to lookup that strat

[hazy elm]

Strat is get to 4k corruption

[gray ermine]

I am also using a pretty unique strat to grind favor, but yeah 4612% bonus exp helps xD

[scarlet wing]

How do you spend it?

[gray ermine]

Exiled Mages in Solarum Ascent, rare mobs (generic, Scorpions, Immortal Eyes), Abom and Frost Lich (don't take blessing/leave them active)

it usually takes me 1-2 hours to dump 1m favor, but I also get some favor while dumping

and I'm simultaneously farning for 4lp Ladle, 15+ 3lp so far

My farming timeline is 3.9k (Reign of Dragons, I dump on Mages/rare mobs here also) and my boss timelines are 3k

Easy to catch up the two boss timelines using bonus corruption

If/when I hit 4lp Ladle I'll prob prio rare monster prophecies over mages and primarily dump in my farming echo (this should allow me to dump at least slightly faster and gain more favor while dumping)

[scarlet wing]

clearly, many thanks

[mellow coyote]

can CoF help me get a mad alchemist ladle?

[hazy elm]

no

[mellow coyote]

dam

[hazy elm]

i might be wrong abt that, cause it exile mages specific drops and none of the bonuses i see in COF apply to that

same as any other boss specific drops

not even sure if even higher t7 chance applies to his experimental affixes items, you can check frozen sentinel video he covers it

[gray ermine]

99% Sure LP faction bonus applies

[gray ermine]

Actually wasn't aware of this, but it would be odd if their loot tables aren't affected by the faction bonuses

[hazy elm]

well FS hasnt dropped even 1 t7 LL affix during whole cycle, unless he is GIGA unlucky i dont see that happening considering that COF exalted bonuses are super good

[gray ermine]

I've dropped at least 1 I think, and various others... 15-20 3lp Ladles... I prob killed more mages though, and it's difficult to really say w/o huge sample size

[livid spruce]

Getting specific T7 exalted affixes is never easy, but sounds kinda rough regardless considering

Pretty sure they've done some high volume farming lol

[gray ermine]

2/18 on 1lp RR slams.... 1/17 on T7 Int ??? and 1/1 on T7 Dex... Certainly nothing wrong with current legendary crafting system... 6 more in bank (24 total), but I'm only slamming 5/20s from now on lol...

[limber minnow]

@gray ermine my first 1 hour info node session on waste pools 3kc gave me 475k. Not sure when Ill go to try a ritual lake or imperial (they seem to have more density but I could potentially die from lag similar to you in these) but ill update once i do how it looks on VK

[gray ermine]

475k @ 3kc is good man

I think Frozensentinel got like 400k in Ritual Lake (non info) @ 3.2k

I get around 700k/hr @ 4612% bonus exp for reference, it's consistent I've run multiple tests

but I have very high mobility, aoe, and single target... Thinking u probably can't clear as fast/match my favor gen if all else is equal

[gray ermine]

@limber minnow When u get a chance, can u test to see ur max favor from the beacon specifically?

mine caps out around 9-10k per run

idk if it's a static number value, based on kill/wave count, etc. Pretty sure it's based on wave/kill count which means XP shrine would prob = higher maximum from beacon, but I'm unsure

I'm also wondering/assuming ur number value/cap per run should be lower than my 9-10k

just clear around the beacon and record favor before/after

[waxen cliff]

do lenses of the same type stack

[livid spruce]

The ones that increase chance of specific rewards do

[gray ermine]

yeah I think regional lenses stack, and greater don't (although the guide I read said they do)

[waxen cliff]

so i can stack a bunch of wand ones?

im trying to get cinder song and my gf told me you can get specific stuff with prophecies

[gray ermine]

Yeah I believe you could, but ur probably better off with the two reward lenses (greater lenses) and 1 wand lens

[waxen cliff]

reward lenses?

[gray ermine]

Refracting Lens of Wealth and Refracting Lens of Rhyme I believe

I'm assuming ur R10 if talking about stacking multiple lenses

[waxen cliff]

no i just unlocked it

i beat the story yesterday

[gray ermine]

lenses only affect the constellation they're slotted in

so yeah, you probably want a Wand lens in the weapon one in that case

[waxen cliff]

can i put three of them whenever I unlocked the other two? and how do i unlock them?

[gray ermine]

By gaining faction levels... and yes I believe so, but it's probably not ideal as I just stated lol

[gray ermine]

if you go to Youtube and search Frozensentinel Ultimate Circle of Fortune guide that will prob give u a lot of useful info as a new player

[waxen cliff]

the rank 4 bonus what are exalted?

[gray ermine]

Any item with a tier 6/7 affix (they're purple)

[waxen cliff]

nice nice

i assume that’s the stuff i was missing

i was so surprised the game had a built in loot filter, im used to adding them in in other games

[limber minnow]

did 3 beacon only runs while lazy (not moving) 6-7k was the range.
did 3 beacon only runs while moving into melee range to kill faster (7-7.5k)

I stop the beacon at 70%

[gray ermine]

Okay ty, sounds about right

wdym u stop it at 70%? is there a way to tell?

I'm assuming u can target the beacon to see the charge level (I'm dumb and miss the most obvious stuff xD), and I think they might stop giving XP after 50%, will pay more attention tomorrow

[livid spruce]

The quest thing on the side displays progress

[gray ermine]

it shows the beacon charge? I never noticed xD

[livid spruce]

Yeah, updates every 5% I think

[gray ermine]

tbh I think it's prob cause I'm usually pretty tunnel visioned on my char when grinding (to stay alive), and playing in widescreen... so I basically have to break my neck to see the objective panel xD

[livid spruce]

tbf it's not super obvious, like just a little text thing, and the whole time it's spawning a lot of mobs on top of you lol

[limber minnow]

Ya hence the lazy numbers. I pan over to watch a stream until it hits 70%. Updates every 10% where the quest text is.

[limber minnow]

Just had a 680k/1hr session at imperial warcamp at 3k corruption on VK. Eye of reen go burrrrr

[limber minnow]

748k favor for that last hour 😮

[signal iris]

yeah pretty high how much more on 4kc

[limber minnow]

Ill never know, I dont think VK can beat much more than a 3k orobyss

[signal iris]

ah u need a marksman friend xD

[signal iris]

yeah for vk it would be too long to kill...i timed my rm its about 7mins using snap

[limber minnow]

not about length, its about being 1 shot. I cant move or I lose shields and insta die. 750k is pretty crazy tho... im not even sure if anyone but Skurge is near that. Ill record a favor hour session here in abit.

Whats your corr at?

[signal iris]

yeah the one shot oh high corr shade is insane...im on 4263c rn.

[limber minnow]

you are fireknight or someone else?

[signal iris]

even if u will build with max block and dodge vk?

[limber minnow]

I cant dodge cause I use foot of the mountain for RR 180 req, I could possibly make couple small passive changes but this build uses dual swords so not much block other than passives. I think with a few more upgrades im hard capped at 3.2-3.5k orobyss which im more than happy with

[signal iris]

nope, just random guy who got addicted to LE, i was inspired by Cheez lol...he is still the top rm in corruption rn afaik 5822.

[limber minnow]

have you done any favor runs? Id be curius what your favor/hour is on RM 4kc

[signal iris]

yeah even me,,my goal before was 1k but favor gain there is so slow

nope im not really into favor runs,,im just focusing into clearing the map as fast as possible then filling up stabilty for about 90% afterwards, im also not priotizing exiled mage coz he is painful to fight, i only kill him after the objective if he is not that far.

[frosty pelican]

I do think it might be possible to get more favor per hour doing the ritual lake strat with high enough single target tbh but the skurge strat seems best all around and probably hard to beat

I was over 400k/hr at 3k corr trying it with fairly weak single target / tank setup. Maybe a marksman or something could double that or more

Worth exploring with the right build

[waxen cliff]

is there anywhere i can find giant scorpions specifically

[limber minnow]

I think Skurge strat is def bis for melee cause of the layout funneling in casters. I use double enemy speed modifiers to make grouping easier. I recorded 1 hour raw footage earlier. Ill update here later once I get the link in video-shoutout channel

[frosty pelican]

@waxen cliff I made a tool specifically for finding what locations each monster spawns / what monsters spawn in each location: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DLiKBOApPtBBm5prr185HU-iYM9k28ENFgz-voXpB-4/edit#gid=806335159

[waxen cliff]

ty!

wow it is massive where do i even begin lol

[limber minnow]

700k+ VK Favor Farm in #🎥┃video-shoutout @signal iris @gray ermine

No commentary or anything kek

Also idk why screen is part cut off, im a noob

[frosty pelican]

and people say RM is broken lol @limber minnow that looks way stronger

[limber minnow]

Ya the mono clears are nasty, couple more upgrades really soon and should go to 750-800k/hour without much fear of death

[hazy elm]

the difference is that HH is not intended which is confirmed by devs, while RM is not bugged besides FC ignoring nova cd, but you can play it without huge nova aoe

[limber minnow]

Ive heard alt of people say HH is not intended, what part is not intended?

[frosty pelican]

It seems like the Gift of Winter procing on extra casts may not be intended either

[hazy elm]

that the healing that is converted to ward due to LL afix is scaling with your healing effectivness

if it was working as intended with best investment build has around 4-8k ward tops

not 100k+ 🤣

so...its pretty signficant

[limber minnow]

Its weird the devs say its not intended, when then the tooltip is pretty clear that it would work otherwise.

[frosty pelican]

🤷‍♂️ perhaps "unintended" can also mean "oops" we didn't realize it would be that strong when we made the change

[limber minnow]

ya its definitley too strong, especially early-mid game

[hazy elm]

yep both tooltip and node mechanic is a big "oopsie"

funny enough that node is bugged on top of everything above and doesnt convert healing over time

so you can still heal low life teammates

moreover the tree has clealy nodes that were designed by devs to be main ward generator(synthesis of light and follow up) but they are bugged and provide 10x less ward

[waxen cliff]

if i have a tier 2 and tier 3 prophecy for dungeon can i do tier 3 and still complete the ones that require tier 2 at the same time?

or do i have to run it twice

[hazy elm]

yes

do 3

[waxen cliff]

wait yes to which part

oh okay good think i picked 3

[signal iris]

damn ur ward generation is so op lol...like insta 65k...u can even tank a swarmed of immortal eyes or smoldering lithrac on that xD

[gray ermine]

yeah 700k/hr is pretty nuts at 3kc

[gray ermine]

Looks sick, I might actually try farming LastRuin at 3.3kc

T hinking maybe that dropping to lower corruption with better native spawns might be ideal, and I only need to kill 1 shade cause I get +800 due to bonus lol

[limber minnow]

Goes to just under 200k in current gear if not being hit. Highest I hit was 230k from echos proccing. Almost reached the 4th rotation of integer limit.

[gray ermine]

Do you have a EHP calc? I think ur EHP might actually be lower than mine even @ 150-200k

ur EHP vs 1 shot might be significantly higher though

depends on ur DR values

[limber minnow]

Not currently, but it’s for sure lower in that current setup for monos. My tanky stuff is just used for orobyss atm.

[signal iris]

230k and still one hit on shade...damn...maybe invest on block chance/dodge...

[limber minnow]

The real issue is the chain stuns. That may as well be a 1 shot cause at current gear if I’m stunned once I’ll never recover enough to be above the stun avoid threshold again. After I farm abit I’ll reevaluate some strats. But it’ll likely involve some block chance passives and a gear swap that includes a 4lp uleros and Orion’s eye in bank, and a weavers will relic (that will take god knows how long to roll).

[signal iris]

yeah the problem is consectutive stuns, orians eye has that stun immunity after being stunned i thnk...or just need to time the lunge's invulnerabilty on specific shade's atk,,not for me though coz im slow hands xD

[limber minnow]

If I hit 5 att red rings I could technically run renegades will and god rolls attributes in all pieces to reach 180 without boots. And that would let me keep dodge.

[signal iris]

yeah red rings give alot of stats esp dex and dr even without lp its still pretty good

[limber minnow]

i would defintely need 1lp for t7 healing, which shouldnt be too hard with new favor farm. Gotten a few but failed slams.

How noticable is say 20 dex and dodge from 2 RR? Ive only been using foot boots cause I never thought i could get 180 att otherwise

[signal iris]

also the jungle belt provides lots of dodge increase but ur belt rn is the bis for ward generation,

[limber minnow]

Looking at it again I realize how hard it is to get 180 att without foot boots haha. Would be some serious farming including a couple boss uniques to change things up.

[signal iris]

its not noticeable increase, what im after on RR is the dr and resistances. u can choose between block and dodge, and if u want cap block chance i thnk u dont need RR

also block chance can be applied on rings, so i thnk its easy to cap compared to dodge.

[limber minnow]

I havent even considered block because I dont use a shield, rings are one of the few suffixes I could replace ele res and not notice much difference

[limber minnow]

ye

Imma take a look on some loadouts with block, I appreciate the convo

[signal iris]

have u tried vengeance HH? Vengeance has pretty good DR on its skill tree btw

[limber minnow]

I use vengeance on orobyss instead of lunge ya. for the 25%DR

[waxen wraith]

What are best rewards in dungeons? With prophecies inludced?

I stack keys but I only use Temporal when I wanna slam something.

[gray ermine]

As CoF I don't think any of the dungeons are particularly rewarding, except for maybe super early on

but if u can be pushing corruption u should prob just focus on that

@limber minnow The native spawns on Last Ruin seem WAY better for my build, and prob just in general... Void Horrors, Abyssal Crawlers, Scarabs, Drowned Visage, etc... Prob gonna push 4.5-5k here and go back to farming

Also seems like I'm seeing way less proximity shield/DR auras

[limber minnow]

Very nice to hear. Any idea which echo type you wanan target?

[waxen wraith]

Got it. Thanks 🙂 as for Corr I'm trying to push but it takes sooo much time 😦

I wanna see how far I can get my character

[limber minnow]

798k favor in last hour session. New ring upgrade doin work.

[gray ermine]

prob Burning Steppes, there's a couple others that might be decent, hard to say for now

[waxen wraith]

Can COF player change to MG at some point and sell stuff?

[jolly spire]

yes, but you won't be able to sell the stuff you got during CoF

[waxen wraith]

AAA 😄 Okey thanks

[limber minnow]

836k favor in my last 1 hour session. Gear can't get much better for speed. Averaging 790k/hr runs. Still at 3k corruption until i get 2 more orobyss build pieces. 😎

[scarlet wing]

I need this boss's shield, but is it worth spending 20k favor for this? https://imgur.com/h8jjSdY im 500 corruption 👀

[livid spruce]

Prophecies have nothing to do with boss drops

[scarlet wing]

oh, sad

[smoky wigeon]

Nope these kind of prophecies aren't worth it, and it won't help you because prophecies don't drop, boss unique items.
You need to run T3 or T4 Lightless Arbor to get the shield you want.

[scarlet wing]

understood, tks guys

[gray ermine]

2/22 on RR slams, send help plz

[hazy elm]

get help q.q

[frosty pelican]

why you still going after 2, need something else?

[gray ermine]

Was planning on only running x1 RR, have a T7 Int and T7 Dex slam

but I prob want to run 2 on my Warlock

Also could slam one with better rolls, had a set of 5/20s

I'm 2/22 overall and 1/21 on T7 Int lol..

[jolly spire]

you get all the garbage rolls after frozen got both of his first try

[twin tulip]

just hit rank 8 and now i'm drowning in exalted items lol, it's a good problem to have tho

[azure ice]

Nice which lenses are you using ?

[twin tulip]

arena and dungeon but if you think there's better ones i'm all ears

[azure ice]

A lot of people say 2x uses / 2x quantity/ flex item type is the best

[limber minnow]

Astronaut Theorists believe this to be true.

[frosty pelican]

technically 2nd, and 3rd try 🙂

[frosty pelican]

@gray ermine I think you were doing the Exiled Mage farm eh? This might be of interest to you; #👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs message

[twin tulip]

i switched the lenses and the first prophecy i bought lets me get 4 unique daggers for killing 3 exiled mages and now I get 8 and get to do it twice for a total of 16, yeah thats definitely the way to go lol

[azure ice]

Yes exactly and at rank 10 is when the fun begins

[smoky wigeon]

int overflow dmg with a movement speed, cast speed and crit multi of around 30000% isn't bad guys

nvm, just checked the crit multi was actually around 6.7 million % instead of 30k %, a skill like flicker strike from poe could be cool 😂

[worn halo]

Jesus take the wheel and give an epilepsy skill

[crimson obsidian]

I would really like to see... For CoF at least, a massively increased requirement to level it up, but also condense its effects from over 10 levels into the first 5 levels, while adding extra effects for the last 5 so that CoF players can find things easier after the first month of playing.

[frosty pelican]

Yea, some sort of further reward scaling would be nice, CoF players are currently incentivized to push unreasonable amounts of corruption to acquire gear at a competitive rate

[steep trellis]

Dungeons could require more keys to increase loot drops,like use 3 keys on lighless now kill him and it's like he died 3 times . Anything to get out of dungeons as fast as possible as favor doesn't increase rapidly while you are doing them.

[sage dove]

i just want the t4 dungeons to not be such a massive jump from t3 as well. mostly cause I'm a baddie

[steep trellis]

T4 is literally useless she drops lp1 items 99.99 of the time which is quite bad as a boss loot drops so I just do t3 nowadays unless playing pally.

For julra ,the other t4 dungeons are fine to do .

[hazy elm]

t4 is for item slams

you cant slam a lot of items in t3

[sage dove]

ya, i don't use the healing hands ward stuff on myh paladin. but i may make my marksman traps again, just to blitz through any t4 to slam or get items I need. LIke Julra's relic

[steep trellis]

Yeah I know temporal sanctum is for slamming but some t4 drops would be like great to have at least to try if they are good or not,like the mountain chest very good . I am still trying to find julra t4 vessel for my vk auto bomber seems interesting enough . For me it's just julra as a gatekeeper or hardest boss so far is very underwhelming like nothing she drops feels fun cause it's mostly always 1 lps they should have separate loot tables and drop 2 items if rng allows it or none like lighless arbor dungeon.

[hazy elm]

well to be fair if getting 2lp ring would be easier and if that stupid helmet was removed from the game it would be nice

but for example vessel of strife and julra gloves are extremely op items, so the boss does have op drops

and you need to kill t4 to get that

[sage dove]

i hate that helmet so much

and also the big 3 items for void hammerdin, all rquire t4 slams ><

[outer nacelle]

for some reason, i thought 1.1 was coming next week. then i looked at the calendar..5 more weeks. sadge.

[sage dove]

rip

[open pier]

there is access to CoF through offline play?

[livid spruce]

Yes

[open pier]

where do i signup? I saw how to when i played online, but it seems different for offline?

[jolly spire]

no, it's the same way

[livid spruce]

Same way, gotta get in act 9 Maj'elka

[open pier]

Late reply. Thanks

[steep trellis]

New rank 10 is quite good,I just hope they don't get rid of duplicate prophecy in new cycle,it's quite good whenever you get anything 2lp,3lp or 4lp duplicate.

[wraith hazel]

Have high hopes this is the replacement for the set bonus

🙏

[jolly spire]

huff the copium

[steep trellis]

@wraith hazel me too I would think that's what they changed,I know they want to keep surprises but like to stop questioning just show at least last 2 ranks XD

I don't wanna loose my 2 lp omnividence or 3 lp exanguinous duplication rewards XD anyway
Another month to wait.

[sage dove]

oh, where is the new rank 10

i haven't had a chance to watch the dev blog yet

[steep trellis]

Here new rank for anyone to see

[sage dove]

ooooooo interesting

ty for sharing

i wonder if that means we'll potentially get multiples of some items they drop then

[livid spruce]

Interesting, so all else equal, CF will have up to 5x LP chance on boss drops

[livid spruce]

If it lets chance go over 100% and really does affect common drops like it says, then yes the common drops will both have 125% drop chance. In the past though, they've restricted bosses from dropping dupes, so it probably caps at 100%.

[hazy elm]

arent they still restricted for example with rav void, i think it caps out at 4% or something with giga corruption

[livid spruce]

I imagine they are restricted like armor etc., where it just gets real close to a limit or something. Either way, the new CF bonus should be multiplicative with rarity's effect.

If not, it would be really weird I think, wouldn't feel good/right

[azure ice]

Possible new rank 10 hype

[jolly spire]

hopefully they moved the set item one down to a lower level
and moved the double items to 9

[civic lodge]

150% chance of 0.002% is nothing bruh

That new 150% rank 10 wont make me go COF this league, ive suffered enough in the first league

[azure ice]

🤣

[livid spruce]

The rare boss drops are more on the range of 5-15% or whatever

[hazy elm]

he was talking about LP items

they still have miserable drop chance even with that boost

[signal iris]

yeah agree.,.this only aplicable on 1lp common items but on extremely rare above,,its still same

[hazy elm]

but i bet that it will bait some people yet again to play cof only to switch to mg 2 weeks later

[limber minnow]

I’ll still play CoF.

[jolly spire]

pretty hard to roll for LP if it never drops in the first place

[sage dove]

I mean, I'll still probably be playing CoF

[livid spruce]

I figured, but also I gotta be petty. lol

Now we multiplying 0% by 5 instead of 2 for a whopping 0% 4LP chance

[signal iris]

how about the prophecy duplication is it still there?

[hazy elm]

nobody knows

[signal iris]

even with no more duplication?

[livid spruce]

It'll probably still be there tbh

[sage dove]

I mean. they may be moving dupes to #9 and getting rid of sets. who knows. like as of right now, rank 9 is functionally useless

[livid spruce]

The sets thing will be good when they update sets

We don't know if the number of ranks is changing or not, I imagine duped prophs may stay the final rank

[jolly spire]

i'll bet you money that all the people who say the duplication is useless will be the first ones to complain if it's removed

[outer nacelle]

makes sense to get rid of the sets perk for now. we know a sets rework is coming, but not in 1.1.

[sage dove]

i think the boss one was shown as rank 10

[sage dove]

ya, this is currently showing on R10 for now

[livid spruce]

right

[frosty pelican]

What if, and hear me out on this, what if there are now 20 or something ranks, with rank 20 being equivalent in xp required as old rank 10. Same grind except more total buffs and shorter unlock intervals.

Perhaps wishful thinking but possibly maybe maybe hinting at something like this by Mike?

https://www.reddit.com/r/LastEpoch/s/48qHCqBNZU

It would be cool if there were more distinct buffs for each faction, I could see MG also having stuff more exciting than just "you can now buy this thing, and this other thing"

[jolly spire]

inhales the copium

[sage dove]

i think that would be a great change. at least for CoF

[frosty pelican]

Let me have my dreams

[sage dove]

our dreams!

[limber minnow]

CoF is op. Some super cool dude hit over 2000 arena waves on CoF forge guard. Needs nerf.

[sage dove]

forge guard and CoF both don't need nerfs ><

[jolly spire]

"super cool"

[worn halo]

Cof is fine maybe adjust slightly target farming ,as for mg maybe give a npc ventor to have all tiers bases I can craft on with highest potential to craft , unlock and discount as u progress

So people can sync in the crafting mats

TBF most people issue is boss specific items farm ,but pretty sure I have seen some changes about that for cof

[livid spruce]

iirc they already confirmed the total grind to max out is being greatly shortened (like halved/thirded, more to match getting one character to level 100). I'd be okay with 20 since it would match skill specs, but personally hoping for 12 since it'd be nice an thematic for the game... I just have no clue what they'd fill out 20 ranks with, especially for MG if they intend to keep rank parity.

Assuming they increase max ranks at all, of course

[steep trellis]

They better not get rid of duplication there is nothing useless about it,with the rng and need of lps and good stats duplicating is f awesome,it gives more chances to get screwed by rng specially on rarer reroll items.

[outer nacelle]

dupe is pretty good, i think everyone who plays cof and grinds stuff appreciates it. doubt it's going

this 150% thing, i dont know how that actually translates. i doubt it's enough, but it's better than nothing. still would have preferred prophs working on bosses as that's way more than 150% (in my mind)

[outer nacelle]

this is epic. also, how long did it take? did you go from wave 100? how did you stay awake?

forgeguard confirmed OP, nerf inc

also, i have been dethroned.

sadge

[signal iris]

yeah haha...he found an op sowrd combo there

[sage dove]

where is that ladder at? cause I'm looking on last epoch tools and I see the following:

[outer nacelle]

Change 1 player to solo for the cof ladder

Well, solo account found which implies cof

[sage dove]

ty

considering i play CoF, I dunno why I don't play SSF other than I like finding gear to give to my other characters

[livid spruce]

You can share gear among your characters in SAF, just not SCF (these are the two SSF modes in LE). The main thing you lose out on by playing a solo mode as a pure CF player is the ability to group up and play with other people, and the only thing you gain is the ability to compete on the "solo" arena ladder.

[sage dove]

i dont think i've grouped with anyhone all season

[outer nacelle]

You should go solo account found in the future, if you want to compete on equal footing for the leader board

Hopefully there's something other than arena leader board next cycle

[hazy elm]

why solo?

on trade people also have equal footing

[sage dove]

lol, I'm too adhd to compete on the leaderboard

i have...... 3 characters at 100. a 99. and then a bunch between like 85-91

[limber minnow]

Mostly true. But you could get orobyss boosted and dungeon/boss items traded

[limber minnow]

9 hours 100-2051. Coulda went to like 2600 if I was focused

[signal iris]

when will u run ur VK bro?