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[azure ice]

Most builds require boss drops, so most COF are probably chasing monos, but its good to know a strong alternative to grind favor could be arenas.

[jolly trail]

yeah my da endurance build doesn't. only LA which is pretty fast compared to timeline bosses.

from favor i need 2 jelks, 2 red rings, neck, relic

you get repeat kills on the mage recycling a normal mono for 160k favor/hr. my bis does need some t7 experimental stuff

thats somewhat optional though

[azure ice]

Have you done used that strategy before?

[jolly trail]

yeah in my screenshot above i posted some xp/hr testing

its significantly different by zone

[azure ice]

Good stuff man

youre making me look like a casual lol

[safe sparrow]

what corr you farming

[jolly trail]

879 on that test. i put everything in the screenshot above. i only tested 2 zones

its about double what i normally avg

so for a pure favor farm there are options

you dont get stability doing it

[outer nacelle]

im constantly at favor cap and i only spend it so it's not going to waste. it's a bit annoying actually, interrupts the flow of blasting. first world problems i guess.

[jolly trail]

What is favor cap?

It's pretty easy to spend favor. I don't see how this can be an issue unless you just don't do it.

[outer nacelle]

999,999

[jolly trail]

You're using rhyme/wealth?

It takes like 5mins to spend 200k.

[outer nacelle]

i might just need to be more picky with what i accept. it also means more rerolling and more time spent spending it

i'll get to 1m favor, spend 200k, get to 1m again and have to spend favor again. sometimes i dont even have room and i'll only be able to spend 150k at a time

[jolly trail]

The lack of unique filters is pretty annoying. Esp if you're only buying uniques with a big favor farm

[heady spear]

Done like 180 echos just got my first frostbite shackles only 1 lp feels like straight robbery

[solid seal]

just filter by base type alongside rarity

[solid seal]

2+ LP shackles don't rain. Get used to seeing 1 LP when they do drop

[jolly trail]

There's no lp filter though right?

I don't know what the shackle drop rate is but at 25% I estimated 32hrs per lp2. It's not a fun item to farm.

Common is 50% so it's lower than that.

[outer nacelle]

i've done blood frost and death to 2200 and i've only found 2 x 2lp shackles.

funnily enough, i've only ever found 1 experimental that was worthy of slamming, so i still have an empty 2lp shackles.

[jolly trail]

how many hours do you think that took you? 64hrs to hit 2k sounds about right

[outer nacelle]

no idea. hmm

havent found 2lp boots in forever. i think i have about 5 of those

[mortal beacon]

I had two harbours wraith lord helmets drop at 1 LP it felt pretty good, time to re-roll or farm until 3+ LP?

[outer nacelle]

3lp seems like a bit of a stretch. 2 seems doable?

[civic field]

what lenes are best if i am target farming only one item type? red rings and blood of the exile are the 2 items im after

[frosty pelican]

@civic field try the lens calculator; https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DLiKBOApPtBBm5prr185HU-iYM9k28ENFgz-voXpB-4/edit#gid=1574848742
Typically 2x usage + 2x reward + 1 other, usually type / unique.

For RR iirc it is 2x / 2x / Rings

[civic field]

thanks! ya i was thinking about using 2x / 2x / type since unique is generic

[lucid pawn]

?? I get to 15k then instantly go get a prophecy rofl. 1 mil wtf?

[orchid plover]

I want to swap over to CoF from MG but don't have a great starting point for my build, should I roll a new character and start fresh or are there any tips to try and mitigate the issue of not having gear rn?

[azure ice]

Yeah stay MG

[heady spear]

Only just found out you can phase in n outta the julra fight?

[frosty pelican]

I do the same, I bet that guy is at high corruption. Favor builds extremely fast 800k in one sitting is pretty achievable

[west plaza]

Can I stack Refracting Lens of Wealth with Refracting Lens of Rhyme?

[azure ice]

Yes

[west plaza]

Refracting Lens of Rhyme. 80% more cost for all prophecies. Doubles the amount of uses before expiring.

What does double the amount of uses before expiring mean?

[jolly trail]

When you look at a proph it should tell you how many times you can complete it

Wealth doubles those items and r10 clones them all

[azure ice]

Increases the total amount of times you can complete the prophecy.

[jolly trail]

You get pretty big boost stacking it all

[west plaza]

Does x2 Refracting Lens of Rhyme. - does it stack?

[jolly trail]

No

[west plaza]

and I assume x2 Refracting Lens of Wealth doesnt stack either?

[azure ice]

Do not stack

[jolly trail]

No

[west plaza]

I am Rank9 at the moment - is it better to have x1 Refracting Lens of Rhyme and x1 Refracting Lens of Wealth + My other lens

[jolly trail]

Yeah. A regional is the best 3rd option

[azure ice]

Yeah I normally run % increase / % increase / flex - type of item I’m looking for. I reroll a lot to get the prophecies I want

[west plaza]

yeah the rank10 seems like it would be amazing

Double + Double? lol

[jolly trail]

It's not like wealth that doubles the reward. It's exact copies

[azure ice]

Yeah it is, hopefully you have some tight filters or your stash is going to be overflowing

[jolly trail]

You typically need several of an item to get it perfect so it's very good

[west plaza]

Thanks for the help guys, appreciate it.

[azure ice]

Happy hunting !

[jolly spire]

yes, but in t4 she'll chase you very quickly

[jolly trail]

must be da marks then

she just dies before she phases

[lime creek]

Gimme!

[supple gyro]

Which doesn't really seem that great to me. It doesn't actually help me find what I'm looking for.

[jolly trail]

id rather it be like wealth. getting anything right the first time is pretty rare though. so it's still very strong

[azure ice]

When the LP3 item you’re looking for drops, you’ll get 2 of them. This is strong because you can still bust a LP3 slam. In fact I’d argue you haven’t played enough LE if you’ve never failed to slam a t7 over to a LP3 item.

[hallow plume]

wdym it doesn't help it means when you do proc what you want you get 2 attempts at the slam always it's huge

[supple gyro]

I mean. yeah that sounds nice. But I'd argue that being able to find what I want in the first place would be better.

[azure ice]

Oh yeah for sure that’s why there’s MG

[sharp chasm]

Will there be prophecies for boss drops? Was this discussed/hinted before by the devs? I don't want to post in ask-the-devs, probably it was already asked a few times so maybe if someone knows

[azure ice]

I havent heard anything

[livid spruce]

It has been asked, and the answer was that they haven't decided what changes they will make to them yet. I suspect they won't spoil much, if anything, when they do decide, since they like to avoid that unless the decision has absolutely no chance of changing between now and when it might be put in game.

[mighty ravine]

They said they have no plans still

no plans should just be interpreted as expect nothing

[timid crypt]

is finding Void Horrors still an issue?

[azure ice]

Thats a good question, im curious too - I stopped grabbing void horrors as prophecies

[timid crypt]

i have three that i cant seem to do. thought that would be fixed by now

[solid seal]

Void Horrors only spawn in Black Sun, Fall of the Empire, and Last Ruin timelines. You can try running the optional quest echoes in the Empire timeline as both will spawn at least 1 void horror patrol. Just run through the whole zone and kill void horrors, never complete the 2nd objective in those quest echoes if you want to repeat it. Completing the objective will lock the quest until you kill the timeline boss. The 2nd quest echo in Empire tended to have 2 patrolling horrors before the first objective, but I haven't done these since 1.0.4 so ymmv

I spend most of my time in-game farming Death and Dragons timelines, so I'm grabbing Formosus (Death timeline), Corpses (Dragons timeline), Mages, Oreos, Immortal Eyes, Siege Golems, Diamond Matrons, "boss", and "rare enemy". I also always grab Scorpions since those can be cycled quickly in "The Magma Caverns" quest echo #2 in Spirits of Fire. Same with Abomination (Outcasts timeline) as it only costs 50 stability to fight if you never talk to the NPC and complete the echo.

[outer nacelle]

i always wondered why i had i had to 1 echo for abom, (1 was enough to do 2 aboms, then never click the npc after), now that makes sense

would be awesome if all bosses had an npc to click instead of auto

[livid spruce]

we're probably more likely to see the npc dialogue no longer being the trigger for quest end

since they already removed the whole entire function of the quest dialogues themseslves

[solid seal]

probably. There was an undocumented change that gave the attempt a stability cost. Used to be free.

i'm expecting a lot of the cycling strats to get nuked in 1.1

[outer nacelle]

i remember dying and losing stability too, was that in 0.92 to 1.0 transition?

or they changed it to charging stability on attempt to completion

[livid spruce]

yeah, they removed that as well

in 1.0

there is no longer any penalty at all for failing a timeline boss fight (not counting HC obviously)

[solid seal]

1.0 to 1.0.3 had no stability charged until you completed the quest echo. With 1.0.3, it's now 50 stability for starting the echo, the remaining stability is charged when you complete the echo

[bold vale]

I never knew that about the abomination. Which npc should you avoid talking to?

[solid seal]

the one that appears in the middle of the arena after the fight

just keep in mind that if you don't talk to the NPC, it disables boss drops on future kills for that boss and blessing selection for that timeline until you complete that echo.

[bold vale]

Ah I see. I was aware of that, in my mind I was thinking this would be a way to specifically farm its drops. I do the same with Formosa when it comes to prophecy objectives. I appreciate the info regardless!

[outer nacelle]

just a little cof time saver for 2 prophecies. only 1 for me since BFD is my main timeline so i can't use it there

[solid seal]

8 prophecies. 2 Abom prophecies, 2 Formosus prophecies, 4 "boss" prophecies

Abom + 4x Soul Vessels = 5x "boss" credit per run

but if you have no active Abom prophs, just do the 5x guardian statues in the corruption reduction echo

[outer nacelle]

those boss prophs are always going to get ticked off anyway, so no biggie

[native peak]

okay, so, i'm in the merchant's guild at the moment, but sell me on CoF

[rough depot]

MG = faster end game gear acquisition = faster getting bored of the game

CoF = more grinding and slower endgame progression = slower getting bored of the game

[azure ice]

MG and COF are nothing more than play style preference. I chose COF because I enjoy the feeling of earning my game, but it’s not for everyone. Even though MG has more access to higher LP items, when high LP items start to drop when you’re COF it’s a dopamine drip like no other

[rough depot]

But on MG you need to learn what is worth what and tolerating dog💩 bazaar UI

[jolly spire]

cof's dopamine is when you finally get that non-boss unique item with the LP you want
and you get two of them

[native peak]

i mean, i have to grind the gold

[native peak]

it definitely needs more serach options

[solid seal]

CoF is really no different. The prophecy UI is also really terrible. From purchasing to tracking.

[rough depot]

MG bazaar way worse

[hazy elm]

ye for me the prophecy rolling and then also scrolling through all the loot explosions of 0-1lp leveling uniques is much bigger time sink than searching up items i need on mg

[rough depot]

Welp, items filter will be better with time

[hazy elm]

idk the prophecy design is as bad, they shouldve made 20 prophecies per roll and u can select several, less fancy animations and a list of rewards instead of constelations with stars

looks fancy but quite eh to me

[solar vector]

I think the design is fine and has a bit of spectacle to them. What I really hate is that when you want to review what prophecies you have, you have to mouse over every single one. No sorting, grouping, or search function is available, which is a pain.

[hazy elm]

yep thats why i said they need to add the list option

its really annoying

[wheat coral]

My Level 60 Necromancer, running through chapters 4-8 to get to CoF:

[scarlet wing]

Hi, do you think CoF lv.10 (Item in Propeceis x2) is not useful unless it is a Weaver's Will and ring item?

[finite charm]

It's useful for anything you're target farming

[azure ice]

Rank 10 COF is very useful for targeting items that you want. In combination with both of the % increase lenses lead to lootsplosions where you can easily have over 20 items dropping from just 1 prophecy

[jolly spire]

1 kill, really

[autumn hound]

What do you guys do with your gold? just sink it in stash and Arbor?

[jolly spire]

stash

arbor is kind of a waste when prophecies exist

[azure ice]

I use my gold to purchase more storage space. The rewards for light arbor are rather underwhelming.

[azure token]

i am conflicted

I think COF is kind of better

MG issue is that its hard to get into unless you come in a tthe right time

COF scales insanely well

[livid spruce]

If all you care about is which is "better", MG is for you. Both are viable, just pick whichever you want; you can always swap if you decide later that you don't like whichever you picked.

[azure token]

i am fine with COF its just I dont like getting items that I cant use realsitically

[oak crater]

You get that with both, though. It’s just CoF allows more items and better items to drop, meaning you find more useful items, whereas MG allows you to buy useful items. You have to decide if you’d rather find items playing or play the market instead.

[mossy fractal]

I dislike the x2 uses and x2 quantity lenses. Since they are 99.9 mandatory whatever you want they could be removed and made into passive. That would make us able to target more without a zillion rerolls which are boring. Just add some cost if it is "too good". Then we already have a lens for Set so no point in the rank 9 forcing us all to be Set collectors. Instead make that into chance for extra boss loot and CoF would be perfect as I see it.

[potent solstice]

Rank 9 is bad. I don't even look at set items anymore. May as well filter them out. And seriously CoF needs a way to target boss loot. And the guaranteed lp cost needs to come way down. I am having a brutal time finding lp3 items and being able to be at least guaranteed lp1 would help that.

[azure ice]

This is a really good suggestion.

[azure ice]

3/4LP for your build are extremely rare. Since playing COF my perception of gear has changed. I view 3/4LP items as millions of favor. It will take 8 million favor to find this or 5 million favor in to find that

[potent solstice]

Yeah I gave up on playing the build the way I want until I find the gear to support it, at 260 hrs in you'd think I would have found at least 1 lp2 last steps or shackles, or a single lp3 ring of the third eye or siphon. But nope. And have 5 t7 throwing cost rings but I know with a 50% chance I am gonna brick the lp2 ones. So I use a lot of exalted items instead until after maybe another 200 hours I will find what I want lol.

[mossy fractal]

Regarding guaranteed LP prophecies they are mathematically bad. Do not buy them. You will probably get less high lp items you want in the long run. @frosty pelican have probably done the math EHG did not when they assigned the prices. Check out his videos for some really interesting CoF analysis.

[azure ice]

Ikr. 2LP is that hardest thing to slam. 1/6 chance to land both wanted affixes. I try to slam tier 6 into 1LP and pray that I can slam a tier 7 in a 2LP. Hopefully during the process I get lucky

[mossy fractal]

I'm fine with CoF and LP. Just a tad help with boss loot and some more targeting possibility via removing the required two doubles slots and I would be happy.

[potent solstice]

Yep I know, cost should be reduced significantly, not sure why a guaranteed 1lp is so dang expensive.

[potent solstice]

Yeah that is a super good point, really only have 1 lens to use since other 2 are mandatory.

[azure ice]

I personally do not take the guaranteed 1LP prophecy. I’ve had better luck with x2 uses / x2 quantity / item type lenses and use reroll to get what I want

[hallow plume]

yeah because there terrible they cost 2 much

[frosty pelican]

Just to add the 1LP can drop 2LP and higher. Though even if you only care about 1LP eg. You want Red Ring 1LP it's still terrible.

And you would want the 2x lenses anyway whether you did these prophecies or not

[smoky wigeon]

fiiiiiiiiiiiiiinally unmuted man... 😭

good to see some patchnotes.
i see they did fix a couple bugs, but that's pretty much it

[hazy elm]

im curiosu why do u think COF is better? if we looking at math of droprates cof cant even compete with 20-30 people actively farming and trading and we have more than that even at this stage of the game, and from what we saw all people who play a lot on mg get absolutely insane gear, while on cof..well after 2 months u can get maybe 1 build minmaxed and even then if u get insanely lucky

things like 2lp twisted 1lp red ring, on cof u will get several but definitely not enough to reliably get bis slams on them

[potent solstice]

260hrs, cof, countless jewelry and ring prophecies, 1 non lp red ring. Yeah pretty sure in mg I would have been better off. Hate making most of my gear unusable but might anyway. I mean, I don't want to spend another 200+ hrs and still not have a decent red ring. Cof needs buffs.

[hazy elm]

pretty much typical cof situation, its heavily relies on what build u are playing but if u have several really rare items on your build i would never go COF, on mg u can always aim for absolutely best items possible on any build

[azure token]

It depends on a lot of factors. I will rephrase and say that yes MG is better overall, as long as you enter the market at the right time at the beginning of the cycle and follow the market actively. But COF is probably more consistent throughout the cycle

The issue with COF is that it doesn't target the boss unqiyes

and you get so much... useless stuff

Like almost everything you et is unstable. I have 3lp stuff but I dont intend to use that stuff because none of my toons will use it but now I cant sell it

So if you drop items on COF that aren't directly usuable

they are genuine junk

[hazy elm]

idk i wouldnt say MG is inconsitent, the game has a lot deterministic meta loot like last steps/shakcles/lightless arbor farm that alllows you to make a bank with no rng

if u farm the above u consitently make money regardless when u hopped onto MG

as i see now COF is MG but with 1 lp less on all items on avarage

[livid spruce]

Red ring is ultra rare partly because it's absolutely not needed for anything

[hazy elm]

i think people who stuggle to make money in mg just dont know about lightless arbor, since now if u have starting capital of 10-20 mil u can sit there untill next cycle, its endless keys and u earn more money than u spend

[potent solstice]

Looks like you need rank8 for mg to be really useful? Can you hit that in say a couple days playtime?

[hidden temple]

Merchant guild is better. I am in CoF with 13 red rings and non of them have 1 lp

[potent solstice]

I am just thinking, how do I do my leveled up corruption monoliths when all of a sudden almost none of my gear is usable lol.

[solid seal]

I've seen 14 distinct red rings from prophecies. 4 were 1 LP. So 4 in 14 in 3320 distinct rings.

[vague pier]

MG is really for the min/maxer

CoF is good in its own rights. I’ve seen folks get double/triple 3-4lp drops.

[quiet yarrow]

I recently found a 4LP Peak of the Mountain but I've been running expensive prophecies for a week and can't find a worthy double exalt 😦 should I just slam a T7 on it

[jolly trail]

make sure its a t7 with 3 t5s that you want

2x exalt isn't farmable

2 t6 isn't much different than 1 t7 either. you have to get crazy lucky and get t7+t7 or t7+t6

90% of your 2x exaults are just 2 t6

[outer nacelle]

yeah, i would settle for a t7/t5/t5/t5. even getting one of those with all the stuff you want a perfect t7 roll is hard to do, let alone multi exalt version of that

[nocturne oar]

are rank 10 items that are duplicated 1:1 copies or can they have a chance to get better stats or LP also?

i'm at rank 9 , but was curious about that

[azure ice]

Something like that, it’s all just one big blur tbh. But the LP is always the same

[night merlin]

what do you need to do to unlock the third lens in the observatory? I have found the dead merchant

[solid seal]

third lens unlocks at rank 9

[solid seal]

Rank 10 is a simple 1:1 copy. whatever properties roll on the original item is copied to the duplicate item. That includes affixes (implicit & explicit affixes), weavers, lp, faction requirement, and their values.

[autumn hound]

+1. So yeah, doubles the trash 🤣

[scarlet wing]

noted

[azure ice]

Ok it’s starting to come back to me now. They are not exact duplicates but extremely close. Sometimes the rolls might be - or + ~3%. The LP will always be the same

[serene heron]

would anyone let me port to the observatory on my alt?

[jolly trail]

anyone know if a proph can proc if you did dmg to a target but not the one who last hit?

my support vk does nearly 0 dmg so it might be hard to do them

[azure ice]

Are you concerned about it not proccing while in a party ? I’ve never noticed that to be an issue

[jolly trail]

ive noticed in a party they don't proc off the other person if you split up so i figured it was related to hitting the target hopefully

[azure ice]

I’ve never noticed that to be an issue, but I normally stay grouped so we do not miss a resonance drop

[livid spruce]

It most likely procs if you get xp from the kill, i.e. you're within like 1.5-2 screens of the kill

[wheat coral]

How my fellow Coffees gettin their gold flow?

I wanna retry Arbor at some point and shneed mo stacks for it

[jolly trail]

I don't even look at it. LA vault is a trap for cof. Id spend some only because I have nothing else to do with it. It's not like mg where you can drop 10m and get it back selling stuff.

[azure ice]

I never really look at gold and only use it to by more stash tabs. LA gold sink is rather underwhelming

[hazy elm]

i disagree, its bad for general exalts/ uniques, but very op for exalg helmets, if u need one do chest setup with 6 helmet chests and enjoy profit, outside of that its uselesss on cof

[celest swift]

why the heck did they change the keybind again for view affix teirs

[finite charm]

Apparently, it was a bug that did that before.

And the way it's working now, it's the way it was always supposed to work. But they did say that they're going to give an option to bring back the way that everyone got used to 😂

#👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs message

I prefer to be able to view affix with fewer keys too. This new key binding is throwing me off as well. Don't like.

[wheat coral]

Can someone refresh me as to why guaranteed 1 LP prophecies are “bad”?

[pastel tangle]

they cost a lot of favor, that's pretty much it

whether you feel better about spending it there or on regular prophecies is basically how you should decide to handle it. It is a minimum 1lp and not a static 1lp but the overall cumulative effects for LP bonus are, to my knowledge, not incredibly well understood to the point where the solution isn't obvious

with doubling effects on they can be as much as 25k favor or even more which is a tough sell

[jolly spire]

59k favor be like

[hallow plume]

so the purpose for them is for targeting items that have a low 1lp+ chance items like red ring for example at 6% however because the cost is so high on them statistically it's better to just go sheer volume without the guaranteed lp. but that's the idea behind them

another item they would be good for it the cost was a little lower would be aurora's time glass another 6% item

[plain spoke]

For the CoF target farming for catalyst, which should I pick? is it the east telescope with weapons?

[mossy fractal]

They are bad if they are generic like many of them are since you probably want something specific and not just a random 1LP+ weapon. Kinda like diablos damage on Wednesdays bloat.

[mossy fractal]

Yes and you can check what is where by looking in the shop for regional lenses if you're uncertain.

[plain spoke]

Thanks! I've just been unlucky for 10 rolls then 😛 (didnt get any catalysts)

[mossy fractal]

That category is bloated (15 types) so if you want something in there you "should" use a regional lens for type even if you just want a specific unique. But it is still hard there. Why EHG have not weighted those directly to the number of items is beyond me. (relic with 3 types in the pool 10%, 1h sword with 15 items in the pool 20%... yeah).

[plain spoke]

Ahhh I see!! Ty for the explanations 🙂

[supple gyro]

FINALLY got a -5 mana scepter after 3 freakin weeks

[rough depot]

Just do scepter prophecies and look for echoes with exalted scepters rewards

[supple gyro]

That's what I was doing. Still took 3 weeks for one to drop.

[rough depot]

I got like two -5 mana scepters within 3 days span

[supple gyro]

RNG is a hell of a drug

[rough depot]

While I play max 3 hours a day

[rough depot]

Ohh maaan

Today i f |_| cked up one vial of volatile ice with 2 LP

I had item for eternal cache slam with cast speed, freeze rate, crit chance and elemental resistance

And it sucked up crit chance and elemental res

Literally the worst possible outcome

And 30 min later I dropped another vial with 3LP

RNG gives and takes man

[supple gyro]

Well I did manage to find a 4 lp vile. So thats covered

[potent solstice]

In 300 hrs I have never seen a single item with 4lp. Nada. Only items I am using with 3lp even are my jelkhors. Everything else is 2lp or exalted.

In the past week I swear I have looted like 1000 unique amulets and rings lol from prophecies, and still only 1lp devotions, 1lp ocearons, and 2lp siphons.

[azure ice]

How many millions of favor do you think it costs

[umbral saffron]

Finally, rank 10 ! 😄

[azure ice]

Congratulations now the fun starts!

[ruby ivy]

Getting 4LP ring/ammy is next level stuff. Those wich usually drop with 4LP are kinda trash/nieche anyways. I did run about 2mil favor on rings and ammys the other day and "only" got pair of Red rings. But also 6 x 2LP ocearons.
Never got 2LP Devotion.
Also...higher corruption helps with Prophecies LP chance, according to devs. Im not too sure about that.

[potent solstice]

Kinda surprised haven't ever seen lp3 siphon, ended up slamming an lp2 and at least got -5 cost on it but ended up with stun avoidance as second affix bleh. But yeah I guess I should realize how rare lp2 devotion and ocearon are and just keep grinding. I guess if I had everything I want I'd have no reason to play, but I wouldn't mind working on an alt, but feel compelled to keep working on my main because even after near 300 hrs he still is not very well geared. The ceiling on this game is high which is great but man it requires some serious hours to get geared. Coming from d4 it takes so much more time and effort to get really strong.

[ruby ivy]

Well.. high corrpution helps with favorgain, so...you know what to do 😄

[finite charm]

I got one of those.

But very very rare

Haven't slammed it yet, the lp2 I slammed was perfect, haven't found a good enough ring to slam into the lp3 😂

[potent solstice]

LOL I know the feeling, took me really long time to get exalted daggers worthy of slam into lp3 jelkhors. I used a sub par ring to slam my lp2, saving the better ones for when I find lp3.

[scarlet wing]

https://imgur.com/oO9QZWB
Hi guys, why is this so expensive?

[solid seal]

because the reward is guaranteed to have at least 1 LP. Those prophecies are expensive.

[finite charm]

Yeah, they're not worth it.

[scarlet wing]

yea, it dropped the most 1-2 LP relics and didn't have what I needed 😦

[dusk socket]

Hey guys, is there any overview on wich lense to use for a specific reason?

[ruby ivy]

Our good man @frosty pelican to the rescue: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAA8QSPRf-M

[umbral saffron]

Time to grind that 10% xp blessing... already got 9%... but not having 10% would be lame, right
edit: got it :v

[jovial silo]

Question... Which empowered monolith do yall recommend farming omnis on? I'm sure it can be subjective but I was just curious if some of you felt there was an overall easier monolith to push corruption and farm the amulet. Thank you!

[ruby ivy]

It pretty much only depends on your build, wich mono boss is easiest/fastest to kill and/or wich boss drops/blessings you wanna get.

[azure ice]

I just got mine, it only took about 400 echo completions. Good luck

[outer nacelle]

@solid seal devs have said that corruption level affects LP chance for prophecies (14% @ 600 etc). does your data support this claim?

[high pivot]

What is the reputation vs favor gain from killing things? And what is the exchange rate for spending favor to gaining reputation? Thanks in advance for your help.

[solid seal]

Yes.

[solid seal]

750 xp = 1 favor = 4 rep. You get 2 rep when you earn the favor and 2 rep when you spend the favor.

[high pivot]

if 750 xp = 1 favor = 4 rep... wouldn't you get 4 rep when you earn the favor?

[solid seal]

the 4 rep is broken down into 2 & 2

[high pivot]

2 for 750 xp, and 2 for the favor?

[solid seal]

yes

favor spent, yes.

[high pivot]

does that mean there is something that might increase favor gain (and by proxy rep gain) above and beyond the 750xp mark? Like if something says you get double favor, you would get 2 rep for 750xp, then 2 favor which would come out to 4 rep, for a total of 6 rep for 750xp?

oh... I see what you are saying

1 favor = 4 rep... 750xp = 1 favor and 2 rep... then spending the 1 favor gains an additional 2 rep

[solid seal]

xp shrines, xp blessing, increased experience from corruption, increased experience from echo affixes, all scale up experience from monster kills. Experience from tomes caps out once you hit area/character levels 95.

[outer nacelle]

i was looking at the spreadsheet and saw that the expected lp after factoing in lp weight that it was 213% to 234% with 1000 corruption being NOT better than 100. it looked like they were all averating the sameish regardless of corruption which seems to disprove rather than support devs claim

[solid seal]

sample size?

[finite charm]

I think for CoF the data gets funky because we get increased LP even without accounting for corruption bonus

So it's harder to compare.

But my understanding is that on MG the difference between high and low corruption is very very noticeable

[outer nacelle]

yeah true, they were all above expected which is probably the doing of rank 6.

[finite charm]

Yeah, exalted also.

[wheat coral]

Finally hit rank 5 let’s goooo

[finite charm]

Low corruption MG rarely sees exalted gear.

[outer nacelle]

true, but we can only go with the data we have. I just want to know if i'm g1mping myself by choosing the dungeon prophs or not

[finite charm]

Dungeons prophs are less efficient than corruption ones.

[outer nacelle]

how so?

[finite charm]

You still get CoF bonuses, but, the corruption bonus doesn't apply

[outer nacelle]

that's if there is any corruption bonus (i reckon there isnt)

[ruby ivy]

Corruption bonus on unique LP chance.

[finite charm]

So, if you want to squeeze every single % chance at higher stuff, you go mono.

[finite charm]

There is.

Devs already said so

[outer nacelle]

they said so, data says no.

i dont believe them.

[finite charm]

Ok 👍

[azure ice]

Devs confirmed on LP and corruption scaling with prophs

[outer nacelle]

i know

[wheat coral]

Bro’s a non believer lol

[azure ice]

So that means technically 0.001% is "scaling"

[finite charm]

Can't argue with someone that won't believe the devs themselves bro

Just leave it alone 😂

[wheat coral]

Dude’s a Scalethiest

[wheat coral]

Also true

[outer nacelle]

yeah i can believe what i want to believe. devs aren't 100% right all the time

i can look at data and come to conclusion myself

[ruby ivy]

I cant confirm it also. Sample sizes are too small too prove it.

[azure ice]

Its still a good idea to grab prophs for dungeons - especially Julra for slamming and any of the other 2 if build requires it

[solid seal]

just out of curiosity, what is it you are farming?

[finite charm]

Well, first thing is: it's a logarithmic algorithm. Meaning it's a curve that gets flatter as corruption gets higher. It also means that corruption increasing the bonus is never a drastic jump.

[wheat coral]

Yeah I was gonna say, if it’s something you like, and you were gonna do the dungeon anyway, might as well

[outer nacelle]

the 14% chance probably isn't going to make a break me getting a 4lp anyway, rng is rng

[ruby ivy]

Too many factors. Basically "pro-gamers" rely on gutfeeling 😄

[finite charm]

Second: yeah you can get dungeon prophs, especially if you're already farming the dungeon for something. I'm simply saying that you won't get the corruption bonus, as stated by the devs, since corruption applies only to monos.

If you want to believe the devs or not, up to you.

[azure ice]

I slammed a 3LP relic yesterday with only a t6 - t5 - t5, but good enough for build COF cant min/max like MG. Moving on to farming a 3LP amulet, currently have two with 2LP - also at the same time look for exalted amulets to slam, I have about 7 or so amulets with the t7 affix I want, but need to do some crafting to burn out the forging potential. After amulet is slammed with the affixes I want (fingers crossed I find a 3LP) I will move on farming unqiue boots for 2LP or 3LP.

[outer nacelle]

i think he was asking me

im trying to get 4lp third eye

[ruby ivy]

If you get good dungeon or arena prophecy, where you plan to go anyways, then just take it.. doesnt matter that much anyways. I hate to reroll 100 times to get all perfect prophecies.
And to be fair, ive got some insane items from dungeon prophecies. So... who can tell it for sure ? Maybe dev who designed those calculations.

[outer nacelle]

i've gotten 2 distinct 4lp rings already so it can happen. third eye has the best odds also

[azure ice]

COF prophecy system needs a slight overhaul . Too much rerolling and certain item are nearly impossible to find especially in the weapons category

[ruby ivy]

How much favor have you burned onto rings ? 😄

[outer nacelle]

less than typecast

which is why i asked him, he has the most experience with this

i dunno really, but my red ring count is 4 distinct, no 1lp. much less than typecast

[azure ice]

2x uses / 2x quantities / rings lenses. 10ish million favor later there u have 2LP and 3LP, but no 4LP

[ruby ivy]

Same here

[finite charm]

Ive only dropped a crap ton of oceareon from prophs. I got 1 red ring with 1 LP from a chest at 2k corruption

And I have definitely spent some serious favor in ring prophs 😅

[solid seal]

all of my third eye 4lp's have come in higher corruption

[outer nacelle]

you have multiple? wow.

[azure ice]

I think the only 4 LP ive seen this week was the Hellreach bow

[solid seal]

1 in 300c (1.0.4), 1 in 600c (1.0.4), 2 in 600 (1.0.6)

[outer nacelle]

4 distinct?

[solid seal]

yes

each test was 840 distinct rings

[outer nacelle]

alright cool.

[solid seal]

i need to farm for a mountain helm, maybe I'll collect ring data for 0 corruption then re-run the 100 corruption test

[outer nacelle]

more data = more better

i hit the 1/4 on a 3lp helm from arbor, i'm done in there

although i think it's reasonable to try and get a 4lp, odds dont seem that bad

[umbral saffron]

I already got 10% one after like 8boss kills the same day 😄

[crisp trellis]

can I get specific items (non random drop ) with cof ?
exp: Mad alchemist ladle

[outer nacelle]

cant get ladle from prophecy, no

[azure ice]

COF completes prophecies, items from prophecies are only from the global loot pool, so no boss items or items that drop from exile mage.

[mossy geode]

the observatory won't unlock for my alt, I went back and did all the act 9 quests zerrick doesn't have anything for me

any ideas ?

I figured it out - in case any one else is stuck with their alts. You go to the Upper Majelka waypoint. Then there are two doors one for Upper Majelka (even though you are already in Upper Majelka) and one door for lower Majelka. Walk through the door to go to upper Majelka. There you will see Zerrick number two and to the right is the zone in for observatory.

[urban turtle]

Good to know! I'll make a note of this and see if we can get it into an FAQ or pinned post!

[azure ice]

You waited until act 9 with your alt !? In one of the first zones the options of MG and COF at like level 4 lol

[mossy geode]

yeah but after you choose your faction you still can't go to the observatory /bazaar until act 9

[outer nacelle]

cant you just teleport there directly as soon as you choose your faction?

[wide sandal]

Yep

[solid scroll]

Dumb question. What does #bdsuperiority mean?

[umbral saffron]

Bladedancer > falconer, marksman

[solid scroll]

Oh, got it. I thought at first it was somehow a reference to the Boycott Divestment and Sanction movement regarding Israel, often abbreviated BDS and detailed discussion of which is very obviously a rule 5 violation so that didn't make any sense.

[azure token]

Man, I dropped a twisted heart of ukheiros

finally but no LP

COF is so scuffed

[solid scroll]

Holy shmoopus I just looked at the chance for 4LP on that thing. O_O That is raaaaaare.

[umbral saffron]

Which ring?

[urban turtle]

Oh Nope, just Blade Dancer Superiority 😅 It was my first Class and still my fave 😁

[solid scroll]

Heart of Ukheiros.

[umbral saffron]

Ah... thats a relic :p

[solid scroll]

I never said it was a ring. You may have misread when I referred to it as "that thing".

[umbral saffron]

Ah ye, reading is hard, my bad... 😄

[solid scroll]

Anyway, the percent chance of a 4LP is approximately 1e-7% - or, in other words, pretty much never.

What's the probability of the item dropping to begin with? I'd like it for my build, but I'm not sure whether to try and get it with 1 LP or if that isn't worth it. If it drops a lot, then a 14% chance of 1 LP may be okay, but if it's only, say, a 10% drop chance each time, then that's a 1.4% chance of getting one with 1LP for each run, and that seems unreasonable to attempt (let alone the part where I'd probably need more than one to get it with a good affix).

[umbral saffron]

Hard to say, definitely super low... Ive only found this for very few uniques... I actually got lucky with 3LP Thorn Slinger I guess :c
https://www.reddit.com/r/LastEpoch/comments/176l9al/legendary_potential_drop_rate_cheat_sheet/#lightbox

[azure ice]

4LP boss drops for your build as a COF player LOL good one I needed a strong laugh

[umbral saffron]

Well its just 50/50... you either get it or you dont, its literally that simple 😛

Anyway... is it more efficient to buy dungeon prophecies than monolith ones?

[mossy fractal]

Since it scale with corruption probably not.

[umbral saffron]

The rewards themselves?

[potent solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/hhgf-gif-14529573991400142151

4lp, I feel lucky to get 2lp on boss drops, and 3lp is like yay!!!!

[solid scroll]

I know you jest, but the mathematician in me screams whenever someone says that lol. To be honest, probability theory has proven really helpful for thinking about how drops work in games like this. I'm still curious what the probability distribution would look like for how items drop in Grim Dawn, because that game handles unique drops in a really interesting and unique way that doesn't match any probability distribution I know.

[solid seal]

From my kill log, Corpses drop rates are about 50/50 for catalyst/staff, 38% relic, 38% shield.

[solid scroll]

Oh, that's not bad.

[solid seal]

LP breakdown on relics were

          0 LP    1 LP    2 LP    3 LP    4 LP   Total
Observed    56      29       1       1       0      87
Expected 58.56   27.21    1.22    0.01       0      87```

[umbral saffron]

I just noticed... I got few prophecies to kill Mono boss, it doesnt say any corruption level, so I assume you can kill the boss anywhere? I just killed the boss at 350c and got nothing... do I really have to kill the boss in normal mono?

[ripe marten]

Might be a dumb question but where do I find info on random drop vs boss drop? I’ve been target farming Red Rings with prophecies and have never seen one. Might be the reason why.

[solid seal]

anywhere. Look at the count next to event. You may need to kill multiple bosses (3) for the prophecy event to progress

[umbral saffron]

It only says (1)... and it has no "fullfilled x/x" either

[solid seal]

Pool of items rewarded by prophecies - https://www.lastepochtools.com/checklist/uniques/random
Red Ring does drop from prophecies.

[solid seal]

Might be a bug then. Try restarting your client?

[umbral saffron]

Will try when I get enough stability agian... I have it for several days by now I think and its not the only one 😄

[solid seal]

You don't really need stability. Restart your client. When back in game, check to make sure you still have the prophecy active. Then go into the corruption reduction echo and kill the five statue guardians to see if it progresses. If it does, then you pick up the loot and leave. If it doesn't, you found a bug and maybe, one day, that prophecy will progress.

If you don't reduce the corruption at the very end of the instance, your echo web won't reset. So just kill the 5 bosses then leave

[umbral saffron]

The prophecy is to kill Harton in Fall of the Empire, so I gotta get there

Can restart either way tho 😄

[solid seal]

oh, thought it was "death of Boss" prophecy. well, ignore everything i said about the corruption echo

[solid seal]

to answer your question though, you can complete prophecy events in higher difficulties. Any stated difficulty is the minimum required.

[umbral saffron]

So I got 3 prophecies to kill Harton's Husk, all only once... lets see if any of them procs or not 😄

Hmm, 2 of them did...3rd one was also only 1 Harton kill, but not even the "fullfilled" moved from 1 to 2 out of 3

[solid seal]

sounds bugged. you could keep it and hope a future kill progresses it or if you are tight on active prophecies, you can just abandon it

if you are playing online, you should probably submit an in-game bug report

[umbral saffron]

I'll keep it around and see if it pops one day

[marsh stratus]

is there a strategy for farming gloves with experimental affix "% missing health gained as ward" or is it just luck while killing exiled mages?

[solid seal]

do you need t6/t7?

[marsh stratus]

no it doesn't matter to me, I just need the mod for HH pala, ideally with t6/t7 cast speed

[solid seal]

craft it on t7 cast speed gloves. https://lastepoch.tunklab.com/insight

Raxx has an explainer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-L8sapH_tuY

[mossy fractal]

Well actually it matter quite a bit. You want the worst one you can get either by insight or drop.

[marsh stratus]

omg ty so much lol

[potent solstice]

Experimental crafting was the last crafting skill I learned, it is too complicated, for my brain anyway lol.

[outer nacelle]

without the tunklab tool it would be a nightmare

[hazy elm]

Its also useless for top tier crafts

[solid seal]

dungeon prophs may not give you the best chance at LP, it is amazingly quick for burning through favor. 84-98 rings easy every run.

[outer nacelle]

are you doing arbor runs?

so i loaded 3 lines worth of prophs, about 400k favor and killed oro at 2650c and died 1ms after, biggest loot explosion i've ever seen and rip loot.

[azure ice]

Id prefer it that way. Seeing a 3LP before my death would definitely be tilting lol

[solid seal]

already done doing T4 Arbor + Sanctum. Did Julra + Mages + Elementals + Boss + Rare Enemy with 2x use, 2x rewards, block mono lenses.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KV-JiQZBJgsyrSKguFeKckEy4NLMwceMfn-x0z_qA5k/edit#gid=1004185309

[outer nacelle]

i love nerding out at these spreadsheets. it looks like i'm doing work but i'm getting moar LE fix.

[copper nest]

i died looking at it

[outer nacelle]

slow news day 😬

cof peasant kills 2500 bosses https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hV_glX6iqvs

[wheat coral]

Not getting EXP for my posthumous kills makes me want to send a strongly worded letter to EHG lol

give me my exp T_T

[dawn condor]

yeah Ive only got 5 red ring drops. First was from a chest after completing an echo (0LP), a 0LP from a prophecy, a random Rune of Ascendence (1LP), next 2 were 1LP drops from a prophecy. I got a T7 int slam on one and missed the rest. I may just figure out how to slot in my stardial with T7 int since it gives me 205 int when the buff is active. For the record all of the red ring prophecy drops and rune of ascend happened in Lightless arbor. Fractional sample size but I'm slightly biased to the location as a result lol

[dawn condor]

Nice to see you over here. I remember working the Blurred beast/uber lilith in D4 before Blizzard destroyed it. What's your thoughts on COF/LE? Kinda makes me wish I dumped D4 a long time ago haha

[outer nacelle]

i thought your name was familiar

ready to cheese LE pinnacle bosses with me? 😄

[dawn condor]

Yeah Ive seen a few streamers say Frost Claw is "OP"... really its the snap freeze duration that exceeds cooldown once you get the slams. The builds in this game are awesome

[azure token]

its just released

The builds are bound to get awsomer once the game devs build more mechancis

[barren pier]

tioo masny options

[wraith schooner]

Can CoF prophecies net u boss drops?

[wheat coral]

I hate the enemies who spit blood so goddamn much.

[azure ice]

Nope. Prophecies only drop items from the global loot pool

[umbral saffron]

Everyone loves ice bats... now get ready for blood bats! Five times bigger with Emperor of Corpses aoe range!

[wheat coral]

Every enemy who spits blood always focuses me only when I’m not playing solo too

I hate all blood enemies

[wheat coral]

Beat Shade of Orobyss and Rahyeh, finally lol.

Got “Lessons of the Metropolis” with 1 LP, straight from the prophecy baby

[azure ice]

Is that 4LP I see on your daggers 😊

[outer nacelle]

yeah, i still have one i haven't slammed yet

i should get around to that actually. thanks for reminding me. i kept putting it off because I wasn't sure what i wanted on it and my 3lp is pretty good

[azure token]

I cant wait until new cycle

I am just too bored

[ruby ivy]

Make new build(s)

[azure token]

I will wait for reworks on Forgeguard and some other classes

For this game to have variety it needs to make other classes standout

i feel like this game has a lot of skills that feel.meh

[frosty pelican]

CoF REPRESENT! Bringing home the GOLD for the homies; https://youtube.com/live/H8KoJMXI7gc

[ruby ivy]

Always dont need to have most OP s-tier build to just have fun. Unless thats what you are looking for. There are so many builds and its variations, majority are viable (wich is subjective term anyways)

@frosty pelican You maniac, congrats! Only 1300 ??? lul
Missed your stream, gonna watch your agony tomorrow.

[frosty pelican]

I streamed unlisted today

Was trying to focus

That was my first and hopefully last Arena run ever lol

[azure token]

i meant more for my playstyle. I wznted to play forge guard but the skills there look not that interesting

[ruby ivy]

Horrible right. Probably some random dude from asia will beat it tomorrow. So then you nees to re-run 😉

[frosty pelican]

I think 1500+ is doable with my gear

Some MG guy will probably come in with 2LP Red Rings and such

[ruby ivy]

So your sanity was the only limitation ?

[frosty pelican]

I started to get tired and make mistakes

that was my first run, so fresh from wave 100

really exhausting

[ruby ivy]

Still solid performance from CoF guild 😄

[frosty pelican]

Yeah it's hype as hell to compete with MG

[azure token]

surely COF will get buffa

surely

[ruby ivy]

Forgeguard is worst, but it will get buffed/reworked for sure, too many complain about that 🙂

[frosty pelican]

I would expect some QoL buffs for CoF

but I don't know if they will make it much better relative to MG

[azure token]

Yeah Forgeguard is the reason why i got tjis game

Its probably the least typical class

Every other game has necromancer, mage, etc

[frosty pelican]

If they make pushing corruption harder, that will disproportionately hurt CoF much more than MG

[ruby ivy]

At least Single target damage is good. But its so clunky to play with. Lets hope for huge rework.

[frosty pelican]

+1 For buffing Forgeguard

[wheat coral]

Idk, it feels both most and least typical if that makes sense

[frosty pelican]

pls xd

[wheat coral]

Tbh Sentinel just needs a buff in general

[azure token]

Sentinel is very very strong

[wheat coral]

Not counting whatever the healing hands or whatever it is, I don’t like playing super broken builds

[azure token]

Void Knight and Paladin are insane

but uh

Forge guard but no.forging is crazy

I thought forge guard would hse rockets and guns

[wheat coral]

Void Knight is pretty fun

My first Void Knight is a Void Mage

I went for every spell and stuff

It hurt having my first specialized skill be smite though

So many levels with no specialized skill T_T

[outer nacelle]

damn, was gonna go for it. wont bother now. ohh wait, didn't realise you aren't SSF. i would have assumed anyone going COF is SSF also

[wraith schooner]

Aight thanks

[frosty pelican]

I am not playing "SSF" but I don't trade / accept gifts and don't generally play in parties

Just like to group up occasionally or help folks out, can't do that in SSF

[outer nacelle]

you would be clear rank 1 on the ssf leaderboard, which is probably where you belong. ah well

[astral sundial]

cool to see that u still spend much time in the game , love the dedication

sadly ur a cof player so i cant rlly help u out 😄 ever thought about trying MG?

[azure ice]

I’ve thought about going MG, but there’s not enough content in the game tbh. COF substantially increases the game play loop. Picking items off the off the ground can be exhilarating. Provides an incentive to push high corruption and don’t have to deal with auction house ui.

[jolly spire]

feelsbadman for the MG peeps

[azure ice]

Just think about all the failed 3LP slams that all MG users experience. Poor guys

[jolly spire]

gotta be soulcrushing
not to do it once, like us CoF plebs
but multiple times

[azure ice]

Haha yes exactly!

[umbral saffron]

With the 10th rank I had to make space in my stash, replaced all the crap 1LP with 2-3LP... and I only do 350-450corruptions for now... no idea how much more favour you get in higher corruptions

[frosty pelican]

Probably not for me, just prefer solo / no trade

[astral sundial]

i see

[frosty pelican]

Favor is a factor of experience. I'm at something like 3500% increased monster xp so probably close to 9x more favor

[cunning schooner]

Question from a MG player, considering moving to CoF. How often do you get legendary potential weapons that you want? For example, how often could I expect, say, an at least 2lp Jelkhor to drop?

Cz right now I can just mindlesly play, acumulate gold and buy a few jelkhors to roll

[frosty pelican]

Check the item rarities and LP chance on Le Tools. If it's less than say 5% it's a grind. I was farming for 2LP ghost maker didn't get any but have probably 40x 2LP Jelkors

[cunning schooner]

And when it comes to farming certain items like mountain uniques, does CoF have a lead in there? I guess they are not really affected by prophecies, but the rest?

[umbral saffron]

What corruption tho? I think I will be quite lucky to push my build to 1k with the current setup

[umbral saffron]

Maybe only that CoF bonus for better LP chance...cant get duplicates of boss drops

[potent solstice]

For me, about 300 hrs, seen just 2 3lp Jelkhors, and maybe 8-10 lp2.

Only doing 400 corruption.

[azure ice]

I’m currently at 950 corruption and 1000% increase xp. Whenever I hit 400k I spend to fill up my proph board.

[frosty pelican]

2800

It kind of snowballs as you get more corruption you get more good items from prophecies

[azure ice]

Personally I haven’t farmed those daggers, with COF you can expect a ton of 1-2LP items.

[umbral saffron]

Rank 10, lenses for 80/90% higher prophecy costs and doubles the amount of items dropped from prophecies and there can be absolute sea of loot 😄

[azure ice]

Yes this is very true and more favor for rinse and repeat. But I’ve noticed a very little change in stability bonus for completing echoes. The range no matter the corruption stays between 40-200ish. Any chance you know what the stability bonus is for completing echoes at your high corruption ?

Olvrin, the best way to tell would be to watch the video on frozensentinal stash. Check out his 3LP and 4LP items. I would say if you’ve been playing 20ish hours a week your stash would look very similar to his even those he’s doing 8-10 times more corruption

[umbral saffron]

I got quite a lot of 2 and 3 LP drops, no really rare items, but few more are items for sure... just not the ones I need for my build 😄

[azure ice]

If you’re having fun with your build 350-400 corruption is fine. But pushing higher corruption grants more favor. I consider a build complete and it might be time to move try a new build when I hit 400 corruption and t4 Julra kill.

[frosty pelican]

Extra stability caps out at about 400 corr

[umbral saffron]

Nah I can definitely push it higher, I'll just need to change some gear a little bit... killed t4 Julra multiple times with it aswell, but Dancing Strike is sometimes acting funny during her void laser spinning attack.... 😄

[ruby ivy]

2LP jelkhor is very easy to get. Even 3LP aint hard to get.

Red rings aint that hard to get either.

[azure ice]

Thank you!

[wheat coral]

I’ve got like two or three pieces of LP gear that’s somewhat usable on my one character (all my characters are offline and SCF), so it’s actually a decent rate considering I only just started getting corruption, and I haven’t reached rank 6 yet. But, anecdote is as anecdote does when it comes to RNG.

[lime creek]

figured out a way to farm bosses fast. At least those that require you speak to an npc after killing the boss. for prophecies You just beat the boss, and don't talk to the npc, tp, and you can run the boss again. Repeat and complete prop fast.

[smoky wigeon]

Jup that's already well known, but sweet that you found it out by yourself.
Note that you do not get the unique boss drops by farming him repeatedly

[lime creek]

Right.

[smoky wigeon]

it's worth doing if you have prophecies otherwise it is kind of a waste of time imo

[lime creek]

Right.

[smoky wigeon]

Or you could just do the statues in empowered monoliths that give you minus corruption

[lime creek]

😮

[smoky wigeon]

How many hours do you have in le rn?

[lime creek]

300ish

[smoky wigeon]

Sweet, wish you luck while grinding mate

[lime creek]

Thanks

[wheat coral]

Wait what, I’m confused here

[smoky wigeon]

if you kill a boss that has a npc dialogue after his death you can skip it and redo the boss fight because you didn't trigger the flag to receive a blessing, you can keep doing that, but you won't get the unqiue boss drop from that repeated cheesing

[wheat coral]

Idk what boss fits that criteria

Wait is that monolith only?

[smoky wigeon]

abomination for example

[wheat coral]

That’s the only place I’ve seen the blessings

I didn’t know there was an NPC to talk to

[smoky wigeon]

yes it's a monolith thing

[wheat coral]

Also I have to redo all three quests to challenge the bosses

It’s annoying lol

Which means I have to re earn the stability

[smoky wigeon]

you only need to do that on classic monos

not on empowered ones

[wheat coral]

Ah, sickerino

I just got my first corruption the other day

[smoky wigeon]

you can pretty much go for max corruption and than kill him twice and orobos and repeat

[smoky wigeon]

ye but that cheesing tactic of repeating boss kills like that isn't worth it except for prophecies and maybe exp (maaaaaybe in certain cases)

[wheat coral]

Makes sense

Also, is there a place I can see Legendary items?

I wanna start planning my endgame build for my highest level character

[smoky wigeon]

uniques with legendary potential and a slammed exalted (items with t6+ affixes on it) turn into legendaries

[wheat coral]

No yeah

[smoky wigeon]

it's pretty much the same unique but with 1-4 affixes of the exalted that you slammed on

[wheat coral]

But I mean is there a place I can peep all uniques that have potential to legendary?

[smoky wigeon]

ah ye

last epoch tools

[wheat coral]

I don’t wanna farm a unique before I find out it can’t even get any LP 😭

[wheat coral]

Good lookingtons

[smoky wigeon]

and weaver items that at least got 1 affix from the weaver are also kind of legendary

[wheat coral]

I love Weaver items, but they’re a little unpredictable for me

[supple gyro]

Is there somewhere that lists all the uniques that can be got by prophecies?

[wheat coral]

Aren’t there cases where it might be better to just use an exalted instead of a unique?

[wheat coral]

I thought all non boss uniques could drop from prophecies, but I am most likely wrong

[smoky wigeon]

i think you can search for frozensentinel on youtube, and click on one of his new videos to check his description for a google sheets file, he got a couple of them

[wheat coral]

Also, they should make set items have LP lol

[smoky wigeon]

ye set items suck

[smoky wigeon]

there are a couple exceptions

[supple gyro]

@smoky wigeon Thanks

[wheat coral]

I don’t even know if they suck or not, since I can never find a full set

not only that, I wouldn’t even know what set items go with what either

[smoky wigeon]

sets suck mate, if you get rank 9 on circle of fortune (cof) you get full set drops, and they all are horrible

[wheat coral]

I only JUST reached R5 on Mercutio damn

R6 so far away

Why do sets suck though?

The effects I see don’t look half bad

I’d love to test sets myself but I never keep em around long enough to make a full set

[smoky wigeon]

they are extremely niche and often overshadowed by simple exalts that have the affixes that you want to have, and pretty much nothing has a chance against a unique you kind of like with 4LP anyways

[wheat coral]

From what I’ve seen 4 LP lives up to its name though

Exists in legends only

[wheat coral]

Honestly I think Merophage might be my endgame weapon

[smoky wigeon]

If you got a T22 it might be the case, otherwise probably not

T4s are out there, I also got 1, just a kestrel body armour, but it just rots away in my stash, because I got nothing proper to slam into it

[wheat coral]

I’m only using swords on this character

And the base stats of Merophage is what I want over all the other ones

I’m looking through the rest on the site, there aren’t really all that many usable uniques xd

Well, I just learned about Omnis. This is gonna bug me now.

[wheat coral]

Just spent an hour and a half doing the next stage of loot filtering and finding out what I want to farm

The fun truly begins

[livid spruce]

There's a few good sets, and a few set items that are good on their own. They are slated for a mechanical update like how uniques got LP, but it'll be something different.

[scarlet wing]

Do we (CoF-er) need to waste gold on Lightless Arbor to find equipment?

[livid spruce]

Nah, just spend on stash tabs and shatter runes until you have all you want.

[hazy elm]

only if u really need some exalted helmet, otherwise dont bother

u can drop 70+ exalted helmets per run with the right mods which is pretty op, with other things wont work

[scarlet wing]

noted all

[tawdry fjord]

does anyone know how the lenses work? if i pick 15% chance to find ornate idol does that only apply to getting a higher chance to find a prophecy that will reward one? or is it higher chance to get them if i pick a reward that just says "idols" aswell?

[jolly spire]

higher chance to get the prophecy

[hidden temple]

I haven't gotten an LP3 Jelkhor dagger in so long

[azure ice]

Which lenses are you using? Approximately how much favor have you spent so far? I use the lenses that provide 2x uses / 2x quantity / flex item type. Expect to spend a minimum of 1-2 million favor.

[proud siren]

Does the CoF-10 dupe gives 1:1, or does the dupe item can reroll higher LP?

[azure ice]

LP is the same

[proud siren]

Alright, thanks!

[hidden temple]

I have around 8 lp3 jelkhor but trying to get more -6 mana cost ones. I got all of these probably over a month ago. I started trying to get more since yesterday. Maybe spent 300-500k or so trying to get lp3 jelkhor.

I think I only have one -6 dagger left. Might have settle and use -4’s if I can’t find any more soon

[umbral saffron]

The same exact copy with same LP, ye

[dire warren]

Does anyone here happen to have a spare Shattered Chains belt and would be willing to exchange gifts or something? I wouldn't ask if I hadn't exhausted everything else

[livid spruce]

It would probably be faster to get it by farming it yourself or with somebody else tbh. It takes a long time of playing together to get a resonance that would allow what you're asking.

[dire warren]

I'm well over two dozen runs in >120 Corruption and cannot get it to drop and it's the only thing I still need for the build I'm trying to play

Also, I don't have anyone to play with, hence why I asked

[gray ermine]

I've reached a pivotal moment in my SCSAF career and can't decide what to do... Cap favor every 3.3h at 3kc, or push to 5k+ and cap favor every 2h. I wanted to stop and farm at 3k cause pushing makes me want to... But more favor = more item and want more item... This is why I will never find inner peace.

[livid spruce]

It's not super common, but there are ways you can improve your odds. The biggest thing is you need to go far out, don't just fight the first low corruption Shade you find. Aside from that, you can try to up your corruption and stack rarity from enemy modifiers.

I'd go for a 14 base corruption Shade at least

[dire warren]

I've been doing like at least 16-18 echoes away from the center and I'm pushing 200 Corruption. I really appreciate you taking the time to help me though, thank you

[scarlet wing]

https://imgur.com/fRsyyOd 2 events at the same time

[umbral saffron]

Always love seeing these explosions 😄 open and close the lootfiler, it'll stack all the visible items into the center

[rancid sedge]

you can hide and show items, Alt+Z twice, don't have to mess with loot filter windows

[scarlet wing]

I'm afraid of missing out on something I'll need later 👀

[azure ice]

Which lenses are you using? How much favor have you spent so far? My lenses are 2x uses / 2x quantity / flex item type. When I’m farming prophs for an item I expect to spend a minimum of 1-2mil favor.

[azure ice]

Drop to 3k of course for some Netflix and chill

[tight valley]

prophecies cant drop dungeon boss loot by ANY means correct?

as in: ashes of mortality you get from fire lich in soulfire cant be gotten by any means at all from prophecies even if the prophecy was legendary rings and required to beat the same boss?

[ruby ivy]

Thats correct

[tight valley]

.....so i can get peak of the mountain with 4 lp and a t7 healing hands affix but cant get 1lp rings from soulfire XD done 17 keys and 1 lp ring yet ive had about 7 lp2 belts

[ruby ivy]

7 x 2lp immolators ??? Dud... Insane luck.

[tight valley]

took 3 runs to get lp4 peak

but ive done over 30 hands of judgement and none has got both experimental war and cast speed together lol always one or the other

so swings and roundabouts as the saying goes lol

finally XD now for it to get any stat besides the 1 i want lol

[umbral saffron]

Is it worth running and rerolling? Im only running locked away campaign and arena prophecies with 2x quantity 🤔 but I havent really tried anything else tbh

[azure ice]

I’ve found it’s worth it because using both 2x lenses provides a favor discount of 30%, which can then go towards rerolling. You flex the item type lense so if you’re looking for a relic, use the relic lense. You reroll until you get the scenario you want. When completing the proph you’re showered with items, especially if you’re rank 10. The 2x uses allows you to do it all over again.

[tight valley]

sets need removing from boss pools

[azure ice]

I’ve had all sets hidden since day 1 of cycle 1. Such terrible items

[umbral saffron]

Tbf I keep them on just to get each set item as maxed out as possible... I think my Shattered Lance set is like 99.9% perfect 😄 which reminds me I wanted to do some cold werebear soon... and few of them can be pretty decent while leveling a new char or just if you dont have any good exalts yet

[frosty pelican]

What's the hold up from just continuing to farm as normal and do the shades when you see them? Just how long it takes to kill shade at that corruption?

I watched your stream a bit and it's the same story for me also at 3kc.

With how fast you do echos, at some point doing shades reduces your favor earn rate more than the extra corruption increases it, I would think

[ruby ivy]

Those are boss specific set items and at least that catalyst is used for very powerful build. Loot filter is your friend.

[gray ermine]

Depends on how much time it takes to push vs. how much time can be spent farming at higher corruption... I've been feeling kinda burnt and wasn't focused at all this last session

but I can prob get 300-500 corruption per day if I'm focused and playing well

if I stop to farm now I can cap favor every 3-3.3h, at 5k I would cap favor every 2h or a bit less

This is also going to be my long term farming character to cap out multiple other builds, so I want to push 5k+ eventually anyway

I also want to finish gearing and do at least a half arena run soon xD

@frosty pelican After todays session I do think I'm going to go back to mindless grinding arena echoes for favor at 3.1k until my gear improves a bit

I generate so much less favor when pushing or doing echoes normally I think

[frosty pelican]

Lol if you know anyone who can deal damage, I can stunlock shades and we can get each others kills done lol

[gray ermine]

I did a timed test run yesterday and pulled 300k in 1h.... One 30m timed run and one 60m timed run

[frosty pelican]

That's pretty solid

[gray ermine]

I'm SAF xD

[frosty pelican]

Ooh. Gotcha

[gray ermine]

thought u were CoF as well?

[frosty pelican]

I am CoF

[gray ermine]

oh, yeah derp

forgot u can do non solo CoF

[frosty pelican]

Yea my arena push would be a lot more impressive if I did lol

Ohwell

[gray ermine]

tbh think I could push 1.5k+ right now

I prob could've pushed rank 1 a month ago

rather not waste my time

[frosty pelican]

Probably your build is mobile

[gray ermine]

prefer to play for cap in mono then do 1-2 big pushes

my gear can still get SO much better

[frosty pelican]

Took me 4 hours from wave 100 to rank 1 arena, not too bad

[gray ermine]

I'm sitting on so many insane items, but I need to wait until I have everything... cause the quality of exalted bases and slam outcomes can affect the stat prio of some slots

[frosty pelican]

Exalts are the biggest challenge I find

[gray ermine]

4h for wave 1300 iirc? not bad

when I played years ago it took much longer xD

[frosty pelican]

If you want a specific exalt base with a specific affix it's almost impossible

[gray ermine]

I don't think this is true for CoF if u can dump favor into exalts specifically

depends on the slot I guess

some slots are much easier than others

I'm focusing on getting all of my LP based then I'll pump out infinite exalts

[frosty pelican]

I think exalt prophecies are significantly too expensive to be good

[gray ermine]

You also drop a lot naturally though, and considering potential favor generation at high corruption

[frosty pelican]

The range of outcomes is much higher so you need a lot more exalts until you get something good. That's why a lot more exalts drop during normal content

[gray ermine]

can roll 300+ boots per hour

if 300k favor per hour

[frosty pelican]

Exactly the fact that the game is balanced around a lot more exalts, yet the favor cost per unique is similar to per exalt

Makes exalt prophecies not worth doing until you've already maxed your uniques

[gray ermine]

yeah I just think the exalt bases will come relatively easily once I can dump all favor into them

[frosty pelican]

Yea that's my plan too

[gray ermine]

I'm aiming for double T7 or T6 + T7 on boots cause I hit 3LP

been sitting on them for a week now

[frosty pelican]

I wanted T7 int eternal gauntlets

Ended up getting T7 int Ravenous Void first.. lmao

[gray ermine]

yeah same, but now I'm just gonna go for T7 exp on Mort Grasp or glyph craft T5

need another pair of 3LP

[frosty pelican]

You do mage farm for exper?

[gray ermine]

yeh

[frosty pelican]

Worth?

[gray ermine]

prob gonna go Necro Streets at 1-2kc

not sure how corruption affects mage loot table specifically if at all

I think it probably affects LP, but not actual drops idk

not sure if devs have confirmed

[frosty pelican]

I don't wanna go full tinfoil hat but

[gray ermine]

if ur willing to commit probably

[frosty pelican]

I've only dropped 2x 3LP ladles with over 2k kills

Seems sus

[gray ermine]

no way man

I might have way more kills that that tbh, but I've prob seen 10-15

1/53 seems pretty accurate

[frosty pelican]

Ah just really bad rng then

Also no T7 experimental low life or haste or frenzy

[gray ermine]

I thought u meant for T6-7 exp bases, but I think a 3LP ladle is prob easier than that even lol

or should be

[gray ermine]

yeah see above xD

especially when considering u need to hit a craft on it

unless u just want to inherit exp onto 1LP

[frosty pelican]

Yea. That's the thing. I got one T7 int eternal, for example, missed the craft

Haven't seen one since

[gray ermine]

I've seen maybe 5-10 T7 eternal and failed every one

T7 Int*

[frosty pelican]

Yea I'm looking to use the base not slam

[gray ermine]

yeah I was as well

until I changed my build up a bit

[frosty pelican]

Oh rip then

You going for seal T2 prefix?

[gray ermine]

doesn't really matter now, could still have some situational use dpeending on how I want to play arena

yeh

[frosty pelican]

I was thinking it might be better to accept T4 exp

Seal that

Then craft T5 prefix

[gray ermine]

yeah I was thinking that as well, but it prob depends on the quality of ur base

if really good base and start with good RNG, go for it, eh?

if mid base and start with eh RNG, settle for less?

etc.

[frosty pelican]

Also need to reroll affix range which can waste a lot of fp

[gray ermine]

yeah I mean u could just craft an acceptable pair and maybe get something better later on

if ur going to be playing for a bit

[frosty pelican]

I need to beat T7 int Ravenous tho now

[gray ermine]

Rav doesn't give dot mit though?

[frosty pelican]

It gives straight DR

[gray ermine]

the thing is that my build has such insanely high mitigation already that RR isn't even really worth it

[gray ermine]

Don't think generic DR affects DoTs?

[frosty pelican]

Doesn't it?

[gray ermine]

don't believe so

and my experience def lines up with that

I have INSANE baseline mitigation/EHP and dots still destroy me

[frosty pelican]

Oh rip... I'll need to dig into that

[gray ermine]

it's the primary thing I need to account for

yeah I could be wrong, but 90% sure it needs to specifically state DoT mitigation

or "reduced damage over time taken"

[frosty pelican]

That's misleading then

[gray ermine]

I could be mistaken and DoT damage numbers specifically could just be overtuned

but I do have insane base DR/EHP and DoTs still annihilate me

[frosty pelican]

I'll check dev questions and ask if it hasn't been yet

I have a lot of DR too and same

[gray ermine]

that's why stuff like Oracle Amulet and Eternal Gauntlet + Exp Armor specifically are so valuable

cause afaik DoT dmg is the most difficult in the game to mitigate and inflate EHP against

regen is also another really good counter to DoT damage which my build has in spades

[frosty pelican]

Yea my arena run I was taking almost 0 damage until a DoT basically oneshot me when I made a mistake

[gray ermine]

yep that will prob be my run killer as well, or getting caught while not channeling xD

[frosty pelican]

It also turns out armor multiplier against X doesn't work with Armor applies to DoT

Only char sheet armor

[gray ermine]

yeah figured

I have a passive that provides 15% more armor only "when hit", for example

my build can hit 7-8k+ armor with dodge and block cap though xD

Warlock/Ghostflame = such insane EHP inflation combined with Telf'un + Cradle and Necro Res stacking lol

it's really nuts

[frosty pelican]

I could get dodge but I prio armor since dodge doesn't help with DoT, I'm pretty sure at least

[gray ermine]

u can actually dodge most forms of dot damage afaik

so long as they aren't debuffs

liek ground effects, flamethrower, etc.

[frosty pelican]

What. Dodge the individual ticks?

[gray ermine]

I believe i've dodged the poison puddle ticks on poison shade for example

again I'm not 100% sure on this, but someone else also stated something similar I believe

if that is the case it only works for non debuff related DoT damage (I think)

[frosty pelican]

That would almost make dodge equivalent to DR

[gray ermine]

I might be mistaken

[frosty pelican]

Need to read into that. Would be a game changer if true.

[gray ermine]

or maybe certain abilities have a dot/hit component

I'll pay more attention tomorrow, I also have insane regen and I'm usually on autopilot when playing

Don't want to mislead you xD

I'm wondering if certain abilities are tagged as DoT and also have hit components

cause I swear I have specifically dodged a tick from the poison puddle on poison shade

[frosty pelican]

You could test I guess if you had a gear swap with a lot of dodge

Compare damage taken. Really hard though since it's random

[gray ermine]

I'm probably blowing smoke and it's likely something else I'm not accounting for

cause the bats breath I think cannot be dodged and destroys me

it's probably happening on abilities with both hit and DoT components maybe

[frosty pelican]

Yea makes sense

CC is another layer I'm looking to explore idk if you can apply much with your setup though

Stun chance, blind, etc

[gray ermine]

perma chill + slow

I can infinite kite anything really

I can keep double Forge Guards on edge of screen and they can't touch me xD

Can do that with basically anything if I want to be really cheesy xD

I can drop fissure and spaceglide offscreen, but I like to facetank and see big numbers

[frosty pelican]

I just stutter step but it's not as fast

[gray ermine]

yeh I don't really need to hard cast unless I want to ramp damage with Rip Blood

but I can do that while kiting which is what I typically do at this point vs Forge Guards and stuff

can perma kite Abom too, he literally can't touch me or use abilities even with double Enrage active it's kinda funny lol

[frosty pelican]

Abom I just face tank

It's very low damage vs my ward gen

[gray ermine]

yeah I can tank it as well, but I do more DPS if hard casting Rip Blood

so I just perma kite cause it increased kill time

cause I get to spam RB

if ur ever in stream again you can see me stop to cast RB and gain 10-15x+ DPS

[frosty pelican]

You kill quicker with kiting? Or cause your channel is your regen

[gray ermine]

I basically have 14 spell damage w/o RB and up to +200 from RB

I kill quicker when spamming Rip Blood for spell damage, but I'm vulnerable

I'm immortal when channeling Ghostflame

[frosty pelican]

Ah I see

[gray ermine]

I look for windows of safety to burst if I can't perma kite

[frosty pelican]

I just hold right click and stack 80k ward or whatever

[gray ermine]

haha yeah I'm wondering if Frostclaw can push higher than my build ,but I doubt it

pretty sure Warlock has way more EHP

[frosty pelican]

It probably can since we can stunlock shade no?

[gray ermine]

and I think DPS is comparable, CB might have a higher ceiling, not sure about that w/o self casting

[gray ermine]

I don't need to stunlock shade

I either facetank and kill it slower or dont get hit

fairly confident my build can push 8-10k solo if I get the gear I 'm aiming for

[frosty pelican]

Yeah idk then, yours might be better since you do damage while moving

[gray ermine]

There's quite a few Shades where u can just not get hit

yeah what matters is practicality if clearing

whoever starts dying more while clearing echoes would prob lose out

and I think I probably have much higher average EHP and ease of clearing in general

pretty sure even Jelkhor would lose out eventually, but idk could be wrong

[frosty pelican]

Boss speed probably compensates for some deaths

[gray ermine]

guy I talked to said it starts to fall off around 6k

yeah but they're so squishy I think they just start chain dying

[frosty pelican]

Ah

[gray ermine]

they need to be able to insta 1 shot entire screen

at least I assume that's the case and the guy I talked to playing it at 4k agreed

I think Frostclaw might end up being the primary competition or some other hidden OP maybe

curious to see

[frosty pelican]

I still think the optimal FC build isn't really agreed on

A lot of different opinions

[gray ermine]

yeah I don't think there's many people playing my build specifically

[frosty pelican]

It's hard for us to theory craft as CoF / SSF

[gray ermine]

and there could certainly be optimizations I'm missing and some others that aren't realistic for Cof

YEP

caps

[frosty pelican]

I got MG guys in my discord that immediately get whatever item I grind if I say it's good lol

[gray ermine]

I already know of a couple gearing options that could be more optimal, but prob unrealistic for CoF

[frosty pelican]

If you want to cheese really hard FC can utilize double invuln from wrongwarp and core of mountain

[gray ermine]

I don't think bossing/shades will be the barrier for me at all

bosses certainly not, and on shades I have enough mobility to not get hit at all if needed

for many of them anyway

and I can choose which Shade to fight

[frosty pelican]

I guess my issue was seeing attacks lol

[gray ermine]

I can also swap to a self cast glass cannon setup and prob 15-20x dmg maybe

[gray ermine]

yeah man the visual clarity with that build is absolute 0 lmao

spray and pray

[frosty pelican]

Yea I'm going to get a DPS setup for shade. Can probably 5x danage

[gray ermine]

@frosty pelican This is an example of the strat I use for favor farming, it was a timed 1 hr session (I had another 30m session @163k favor). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOBZx1hS88E&t=102s&ab_channel=Skurge

pretty I generate significantly more favor doing this and random drops are too inconsistent to matter imo

favor/hr = king

Consistently good density with mobs being funneled into you, no RNG objectives, etc, and also the benefit of being able to turn brain off/mindlessly farm and pump favor

[azure token]

ur at 30x my corruption

thats insane

are you built different?

[gray ermine]

Current - https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/planner/3b19u0w6

[azure token]

why not use stygian coal as offhand

[gray ermine]

Cause Opulent Focus is better, unless maybe u have a 4LP Stygian

even then Opulent is prob better with good % Ward Retention roll

and eventually I'm going Cradle for most scenarios

I'm also dropping Ashes soon and gong double Ivory Ring with poison damage + Acid Bane

[azure ice]

I watched some of your vid skurge, good stuff bro!

[gray ermine]

Exp from tome runs is prob better at lower corruption, not sure when a strat like this would outscale. I assume around 500-1kc

I started doing this around 1.5k

[azure ice]

im at 950 corruption running explosive ballista. mainly running monos looking for tomes

Im not sure what my favor per hour is, i wonder how high i can push explosive ballista

Have you pushed arena leaderboard rank at all?

[gray ermine]

No, rather not waste time... Have been playing purely in mono to c ap build

I did 1-2 runs like 5-6 weeks ago, but it was mostly just to test stuff with my build

prob going to do a half run once I get a few more upgrades, expecting wave 1.5-2k minimum, probably higher eventually

[azure ice]

yeah put just to push 1 time to see if you can beat bina lol

[gray ermine]

hard to say cause I'm not sure how arena scaling correlates to mono

pretty sure I could push wave 1.5k right now

rather not waste an entire day when my gear could get better

prob could've pushed rank 1 Solo a long time ago

[azure ice]

FS said it took him 4ish hours to get from 1 to 1300

[gray ermine]

yeah true

I'm gonna do a run once I hit a couple more upgrades to get my base wave count up anyway

[azure ice]

I didnt do cycle server this time around, I wasnt sure how they were going to transfer the stashes to legacy, that could potentially be a nightmare lol

[frosty pelican]

This is really interesting, thanks for sharing. I wonder if monster movespeed would be good to increase how quick the waves get to you

If they can't kill you anyway might be better

Also how does this compare to normal echo running for favor/hour?

[gray ermine]

Haven't done an actual test/comparison, but I'd say my favor generation/hr is roughly double at this corruption level

Density is sporadic in regular echoes and certain objectives can slow u down imo

pretty sure I'm getting 1.5-2x the favor I would get compared to pushing/tome runs

I usually prefer to stack x2-3 Deadly if possible (40% XP per stack), but at this point the relative value is low

80-120% on top of 3500-4000%

[frosty pelican]

@gray ermine I just did a 30m session of normal echos @ exactly 3k corruption - I was also looting stuff as normal, using my stash, doing objectives, waiting for the loot pops, putting stuff in my stash, etc. and got 154.2k favor so still > 300k/hr without the arena strat

I also didn't find any xp shrines in that run, and didn't get great echo RNG, probably could have been a lot higher

I'm also wondering if just resetting ritual lake over and over could be good, it seems pretty high density most of the time and is pretty open layout

https://youtu.be/rAE1TGQeSQE @gray ermine I'd like to do some more testing and put a video together on favor per hour strats. Do you mind if I use some of your findings / clips from your video in my conclusion? Credit given of course

[gray ermine]

Yeah of course, kinda surprised u did 150k clearing normally, might just be a build diff

I'll time myself tomorrow while pushing , seems like I get around 150-200k/hr max when doing echoes normally

I also think favor/hr doing normal echoes is prob a bit more sporadic due to varying density/objectives

[gray ermine]

I was thinking this as well the other day, that might actually be the real strat... That map specifically.

[frosty pelican]

Just did another test, got over 400k/hr

Gotta afk for a while but I think there is some work we can do to optimize here

[gray ermine]

Hmm I will time myself tomorrow, the thing is I also scout shades/kill boss while pushing which makes a big diff

Yeah I think Ritual Lake might be the play

[gray ermine]

@frosty pelican Think it might just be build/gear diff, ur burst seems way higher than mine while clearing, but I can prob 2x damage soon

[frosty pelican]

Yea it could be, you move faster / clear trash quicker. Perhaps the maps full of elites is not the play unless you have very high burst damage, or you just focus on the trash.

I did full clear, but it took me like 8 or 9 minutes. You could probably full clear just the trash in 2 or 3 minutes

[gray ermine]

I think it's primarily certain rares and boss/ambush objectives that really slow me down

Your single target DPS seems much higher, at least onthe front end

I'm going to try Ritual Lake spam specifically though, could easily see that being better than arena echoes

[smoky wigeon]

uhm

[stable hamlet]

Just letting the community know I finished my LP testing. I collected 6133 unique drops and counted them. From 0-700 corruption. Video is in #🎥┃video-shoutout

[gray ermine]

@frosty pelican Just got 154,177 favor in a 30m Ritual Lake run @ 3550% (compared to 3600%+ on my arena echo session) and I have some general notes/thoughts. I could likely push that to 350-400k+/hr with some minor optimizations (I also just woke up and am not really in blasting mode). I do think Ritual Lake (and one other layout the name of which I can't think of atm) are likely ideal for pure favor farming.

Our kill times/dps do seem relatively similar and I also kill rares very quickly in the absence of defensive modifiers (this is important), but I have much higher mobility so I feel like my favor generation should be higher, and that doesn't seem the be the case? Would need to do more tests because as I stated previously I think density/objectives/modifiers are too random/sporadic when running echoes normally to achieve maximum consistency.

I believe one of the primary benefits of spamming the same echo (assuming non infinite DPS) is the ability to fix the modifiers. You can completely prevent the presence of defensive modifiers (+25% resist, +30%HP, etc.) while also having the benefit of stacking something like x3 Deadly/Enrage for maximum value (+40% XP per stack, no +defense for mobs).

The other main benefit would be having more control over the average density which is also important, layouts like Necropolis Streets for example are usually a barren wastelands and I believe that spending any time in such echoes is mostly a waste of time when trying to grind favor, assuming you're not wanting to push/farm timeline boss.

Unless there's something that I'm missing (bonus favor for completing objective? haven't paid attention to that), I feel like spamming the same echo (likely Ritual Lake or one of the other outdoor layouts with high average density) almost certainly has to be better for pure favor/hour simply due to the added level of control over monster EHP and average density.

Another thing I notice while spamming Ritual Lake is that the mob spawns are seldom pretty bad (this isn't the norm). I.e. Bone Pyres (for my build specifically cause CB auto targets), Imperial Eyes, etc., almost always means lower density and/or lots of DR auras/proximity shields. Resetting the echo on a "bad spawn" could be efficient time wise, as I believe the odds of getting a good/easy high density spawn on a single rezone is likely pretty high.

I'll do multiple tests per day and try different things when I'm done pushing to 3.5-4k which is probably where I think pushing may start to become inefficient considering how much favor I'll already be generating (should cap every 2h - 2.5h or so).

[smoky wigeon]

the comments under your video 😂
But i'll be honest the video is way to long, you need better pacing, should be a bit more enthusiastic.

[gray ermine]

I also avoid holding rare monster prophecies while farming and go through farm/dump cycles, so my timings are based mostly on pure grinding/blasting with little looting. I leave Abom/Lich/Necro Streets (Exiled Mage prophecies) active, and use Reign of Dragons (my primary pushing timeline) specifically to dump rare monster prophecies.

[gray ermine]

Yeah I couldn't help but reply to the one guy who said "You got the items offline so it doesn't count" xD

Clearly the numbers care about whether the items were acquired online/offline, and I get what he was trying to say but lol

[smoky wigeon]

ye saw that haha

but 31 min for this kind of video is a bit long, could have done that in 5min honestly, the worst thing tho is the camera placement hiding the lp3+ drops 😂

@KachZz
4 days ago
How long you've been having autism?

hahaha, this comment man 😂

[twin fossil]

hooray!

[ruby ivy]

Too low rolls, get better one

[frosty pelican]

I'll be doing a video on it, but I generally agree on the modifiers, however it's much more important to avoid defensive modifiers than it is to get +40% or whatever xp from deadly, since it's additive with corruption bonus

For my ritual test where I got 400k+ favor per hour I forgot to remove +monster% health, I probably would have been much higher

It would be a huge advantage for extra xp in lower corruption, however in low corruption it's just better to target xp rewards anyway

so reset isn't really viable

Also when actually completing the echos, you get significant amounts of gold and extra uniques from the reward pops after completion. For people who are struggling with gold, reset could be a problem getting more and more items but not more stash tabs

[wheat coral]

Can you favor maxers explain to a dummy like me how you guys are getting so much favor?

I’d like to reach R10 on at least one of my characters, I have only two in CoF, one at 5, and the other just started

[gray ermine]

Yeah of course, at our corruption level at least... Relatively speaking +80-120% would be much more valuable at 1-2kc where your current bonus is much lower.

[gray ermine]

I think strats like this prob outscale tome runs as early as 500-1kc

Tomes really don't give that much

[gray ermine]

Gold dumps are also mostly not worth it at all in CoF based on what I've seen, so that's mostly a non factor imo. Maybe at much lower corruption

[frosty pelican]

Check my guide @ 07:45 on Favor; https://youtu.be/8mdkL7XAh4Q?si=1KASiX4moFcY4j_g&t=465

[wheat coral]

Good lookingtons my g

[frosty pelican]

Depends how much you hoard items lol

I'm at 160 stash tabs and 20m or so gold, seems to be fine now but for a long time I was constantly at 0 gold buying tabs

[gray ermine]

I'm sitting on 200m+ gold

I think that the time spent running + rolling vault even for exalted bases isn't worth it

[wheat coral]

EXP penalty is so dumb lol

[gray ermine]

when considering how much favor u could generate in the same timeframe

[wheat coral]

why should I penalized for clearing higher level content 😭

[gray ermine]

Open to the possibility of being wrong here, but from a time efficiency standpoint I haven't felt like the vault was worth it compared to pushing and farming favor

The vault might be good for targetting exalted bases for specific slots, but idk how much time would need to be invested on average to roll a GG vault

[gray ermine]

Nvm I lack reading comprehension, ur talking specifically about stash tabs... but that's insane LOL

ur never using 90% of those items I assume xD

[wheat coral]

Damn, I have to redo the boss in order to change my blessing from the timeline, right?

[gray ermine]

I actually have 87 tabs myself lol... I'm only filtering for 2 builds, but have a lot of other random GG stuff and fodder

[frosty pelican]

correct

[frosty pelican]

I've been saying this since day 1 and 100% agree

the only way vault would be good for CoF players is if they also play MG and have absurd amounts of gold

[wheat coral]

What to spend gold on then, just stash tabs for real?

And also is the only way to change blessings to redo the boss?

[frosty pelican]

They get expensive lol

[wheat coral]

Are you SCF?

[frosty pelican]

On that note, here is an entire tab of just 3LP rings lol

I hoard really badly

[frosty pelican]

I'm in the normal cycle, but I play SSF

[gray ermine]

yeah I forget u do a lot of testing xD

but clean house after the test + vid xD

[frosty pelican]

I just like collecting stuff too

[frosty pelican]

Oh do you use xp blessing @gray ermine ?

[gray ermine]

Yeah ofc, I think it was actually ur vid that made me swap from unique drop to XP blessing, but that was a while ago

Wasn't sure how it actually scaled until ur vid

[frosty pelican]

Just making sure 🙂

[gray ermine]

I'd also like to know what u think about having farm/dump cycles when considering how much favor we're generating. I used bonus stability to catch up Fall of the Outcasts and Blood,frost, Death in order to chain kill Abom/Lich for favor dump

Necro Streets for Exiled Mage prophecies

I was avoiding holding rare monster prophecies while farming w/ arena echo strat, but that doesn't matter as much in Ritual Lake

So, I can complete generic rare/immortal eye/scorpion and maybe some others in Ritual Lake, and use Abom/Lich and Exiled Mage farm to dump favor otherwise in order to not be too restricted on prophecies

The idea is obviously to never leave mono while being efficient and as unrestricted on potential prophecy takes as possible

Which is basically what I've been doing for most of the cycle

Aside from theorycrafting and target farming wrong items before finalizing build (1k+ T4 Soulfire runs xD)

[frosty pelican]

Well now that we know LP affects prophecy drops

I only do prophecies we can complete in my target timeline

so if I fill me whole prophecy list, spend 400k+ favor

[gray ermine]

I keep all of my dump timelines at cap

bonus corruption OP

I keep 4 timelines at max corruption for farm/dump

overcharge stability on Abom/Lich to be able to chain kill them for huge favor dumps

and loot explosions

[frosty pelican]

yeah it's an option, I don't really bother since I know I'll proc them anyway by the time I need to get more

[gray ermine]

see I feel like I don't dump my favor fast enough w/o doing this or seriously over rolling

feel way too restricted in prophecies I can take w/o pushing other timelines

[frosty pelican]

It depends how specific your target is

[gray ermine]

even with having 3 dump timelines rolling seems rough

yeah I suppose

[frosty pelican]

If you are okay with a lot of rewards, you can be more picky with events

[gray ermine]

yeah what I need at this point is pretty specific

[frosty pelican]

if you need a very specific reward, then being too picky on events means very few will be okay

Eg. I believe weapon region is the worst

Idk it's all in my lens calculator

[gray ermine]

Oh yeah ,that's pretty obvious

[frosty pelican]

but you can optimize your reroll cost by changing how picky you are

for event selection

[gray ermine]

I'm too lazy to use ur calculator, but it's actually pretty useful

most of the stuff is somewhat obvious imo

[frosty pelican]

mostly you just pick double 2x

But I like to use it to determine how picky I want to be with my events based on my rewards

[gray ermine]

That's something I've been meaning to look into recently

kinda dumb that I haven't yet

when u say double 2x

do u mean that u can double up on 2 of the specfic bonus reward lenses?

or use 1 of each?

[frosty pelican]

no they dont stack

1 of each

[gray ermine]

Ok, yeah I've been using 1 of each ofc

[frosty pelican]

yea kk

[gray ermine]

and then use 3rd slot for target

[frosty pelican]

3rd is sometimes not obvious what is best