⭕┃circle-of-fortune

[wheat coral]

I don’t regret CoF

In fact, it’s my preferred faction

I like big loot explosions, even if there’s not a single useful thing in them

Guys, I have an admittance to make…

I’m a filthy casual.

[azure ice]

Haha it’s ok man. It’s all about having fun

[native isle]

the one thing Diablo4 did well was the multiplayer experience

granted, in a lot of places you didn't have a choice, but playing with friends was genuinely fun

[hallow plume]

d4 did a lot of things very very well the only issue with d4 is they didn't have a fun game play loop in the end game

but nearly everything else was really solid

sadly the end game loop is one of the most important things

[wheat coral]

I like the endgame loop

monolith fun

what’s the earliest level you guys are doing monoliths

[azure ice]

Normally what I do is run the campaign and complete side quests to unlock passives and idols. Once both idols and passives have been fully unlocked I start monos which has always been around 54ish

[wheat coral]

wait are idol slots that important?

[hallow plume]

yes

[wheat coral]

You all are such wise masters

Please teach me about where I’ve been going wrong

I only see the CoF alt character on the character I DO have CoF on

man wat

[trail geode]

They need to buff Cof In my opinion theres no reason to not choose the bazzar

[livid spruce]

You choose CF if that's the playstyle you want

[wheat coral]

This is exactly how I feel

[azure ice]

I do like the feeling that I am earning my gear with COF. I finally landed a 2LP slam with the affixes I wanted, it did take several attempts with a lot of failures, but just like everything in life if you hit your head against a wall enough you’ll start seeing results.

[azure token]

COF needs to increase the chanches of boss loot drop

thats all

I also think there should be a mechanism to ''recycle'' uniques

but with the amount of uniques I get from COF (1lp-2lp) I can't do anything with them

leveling an alt is too much work in this game as well

[azure ice]

It’s hard finding a balance, considering how EHG has revolutionized the entire genre with MG and COF. Things take time, the hype train for 1.1 hasn’t even started yet, but I’m sure things will improve

[azure token]

I just want a shorter alt leveling phase

[azure ice]

For me it’s not so much the leveling, it’s getting the blessings. A blessing rework would be nice, especially when it comes to alts

[azure token]

yeah COF improvement would be boss loot drop chance and a way to utlisie unwanted uniques

[wheat coral]

What would you propose?

[azure token]

perhaps a way to sacrafice useless unqiues u farm, to create a 2lp+ unique

[wheat coral]

Sacrificing a unique to have a % chance to add LP to another unique?

1 LP

most likely

With having higher LP on the sacrificed item increase the chance?

[azure token]

maybe

or making cursed items

items that give u a debuff

but also a serious buff

we already have those tbf

Something like sacrafice HP or ward to do more dmg

or being able to miss hits, but when u do hit u hit for ridiculous hard

[solid seal]

Do you have the option to disable character found in the settings (Settings > Challenges)? According to Karv "We currently have a bug (as noted in patch notes) which caused us to disable the option to disable those challenges on characters you've created, but once re-enable a Solo Character Found character (solo cf) can disable the CF challenge and become Solo Account Found character (solo af), but lose their stash in the process. It now has access to shared progress from previous AF characters." That was 2 mo. ago. My SCF pure offline character has the option to convert to SAF.

[livid spruce]

CF does effectively have doubled drop rate for boss uniques

[pseudo stone]

does anyone know if the CoF bonus that doubles the chance to have LP affects all LPs? is it double for all of them or is it something else

[smoky wigeon]

anyone here has a nice last epoch server with vc?
if i check #💽┃server-share there are 95% polish discord servers 😂

[solid seal]

There is no drop rate difference between Online, Solo Account Found, and Solo Character Found. Just visibility on stash, social features, and some visual changes to tooltips.

[azure ice]

That’s a good question, I’m not sure and will be a very complex and difficuky to answer without knowing the math or process on how LP 1-4 is rolled

[livid spruce]

Correct. By CF I mean Circle of Fortune.

[solid seal]

from my testing, it's all LPs. from my understanding of the math, it affects the cumulative chance which means it affects all LP chances

[azure ice]

That’s a good question, I’m not sure and will be a very complex and difficuky to answer without knowing the math or process on how LP 1-4 is rolled

[livid spruce]

It doubles the chance to have 1 LP, which knocks on to all the LPs since it doesn't roll for 2 LP unless it hit 1 LP and so on

[pseudo stone]

^that would make the most sense

[azure token]

COF on paper is insanely good

[pseudo stone]

because some items would otherwise have >100% total chance

[idle sundial]

It's the most useful info 👍

[finite charm]

Btw, mage unique drop tables are not affected by corruption, but their LP is

for rare/exalted items, those drops are affected by corruption

figured I'd share that here (I asked in dev channel last night)

[jolly trail]

id guess it's the same for all timeline bosses. higher cor does not seem to increase the amounts dropping

only thing they confirmed i believe is that shade drop rates do get better if you go out further

[finite charm]

Yep. Basically same as bossess. Meaning the rate for last steps to drop for example, is not going to increase with corruption. But if they do drop, higher corruption means higher chance at rolling LP

[jolly trail]

which looks to be logarithmic. it's approching something like 18 or 20% increase but never getting there

[finite charm]

Yeah, there's going to be a cap i think so like you said

[azure token]

How do I leave COF

[jolly trail]

https://imgur.com/CziIXbj

some chat gibbity math. i wonder if it hits the points they gave us. i could only remember 14 at 600

when they say it keeps "increasing" yes it's true but also not going anywhere lol

[finite charm]

lol yeah

i wonder what corruption that peak is going to be

your graph says 3k is peak

but

is it worth going past 2k for example?

the increase at that point is like 1%

looks like the biggest increase happens from 500 to roughly 1200c

on your graph

basically, because of the log nature of the algo, you start getting dinimishing returns at around 1500

basically pushing 100% corruption (1500 to 3k) for a 2% gain if that

[solid seal]

That function is definitely wrong btw

[finite charm]

@solid seal do you have one that's more accurate?

[solid seal]

just looking at it, the bonus should be 0% at 0 corruption. It's 5% at 100 corruption

100c = 5%, 300c = 10%, 600c = 14% https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/last-epoch-1-0-patch-notes/62536/3#corruption-scaling-8

[finite charm]

so that shifts the line to the left

it means dinimishing returns would start somewhere between 1600-2k

[solid seal]

right, but yes.

[finite charm]

yeah sorry

to the right

[solid seal]

and it's not just a shift. the curvature tightens as well

[finite charm]

That would mean it's going to be flatter on the top

[solid seal]

yep

[finite charm]

and the peak happens more drastically

that's even worse 😂

^ i mean pushing super high corruption would be even worse at that point

since you're getting almost nothing for a lot of effort

cc: @gray ermine

[solid seal]

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=least-squares+best-fit+(100%2C+5)%2C+(300%2C+10)%2C+(600%2C+14)

[finite charm]

^ Following that trajectory, the bonus at 700c-800c would only be about 14.5-15% and so on

yeah, much worse returns indeed. And those are in fact the numbers they gave us

so it's probably more accurate

[outer nacelle]

can you extend that graph to 3k?

[livid spruce]

Rarity does increase drop rates for the rare drops from timeline bosses

[celest swift]

That’s good because I have still yet to ever see frostshackles drop at 200c

[finite charm]

Dev said it doesn't impact mages

and that generally corruption doesn't do that

[livid spruce]

Right

[finite charm]

i'll link you, sec

[livid spruce]

I saw, I'm talking about timeline bosses

[finite charm]

#👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs message

he said they don't have drop tables really, i'm not sure if that applies to all bosses or just mages

i'm not sure if the implementation for timeline bosses would be different than it is for mages since they're all just "bosses"

but i didn't ask that specifically

[livid spruce]

That's just for the mages, timeline bosses and the Shade are definitely affected by rarity, and the Shade also by distance

Boss-specific drops in general are also not affected by blessings at all

[jolly trail]

I didn't enter all the numbers to solve for it. Could only remember the 1. I can try with those and check others

Didn't they also say 1000 is 15%

[solid seal]

For arena, the drop table is determined by the the specific arena master you fight and each drop arena master's drop table has 1 item. For dungeon bosses, the tier determines which the number of drop tables, each with 1 item that can be rolled for. You could get all items available on a single kill. For monolith bosses, there is a guaranteed item table (two items with 50% chance each) and individual drop tables for the remaining items, some being accessible in empowered monos only.

The patch notes only said 5/10/14 for 100/300/600. Maybe you are thinking of the conversation where we were extrapolating higher values? I had mentioned I thought the pattern was 5/10/14/17/19/20 for 100/300/600/1000/1500/2100

[jolly trail]

I think in the ask dev they said it

Not that it matters. It's not improving at any material rate past 600

[finite charm]

@solid seal

For monolith bosses, there is a guaranteed item table (two items with 50% chance each

Doesn't that mean that corruption won't increase the chance

so then it works the same way as mages @livid spruce

[solid seal]

yea, those monster specific drops have fixed drop rates

corruption only affects the LP chance

[finite charm]

Yep

that's that the dev said

and mages work the same way

[solid seal]

for random drops, corruption provides item rarity, which increases the chance any item drops as a unique. With enough corruption/rarity, all items converge to set rarity.

[finite charm]

theoretically, except with a logarithmic algo you can never actually hit that ceiling

it's like the infinity between two numbers

[solid seal]

"like 1x10^64" #👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs message

[finite charm]

Yeah lol

Impossible to hit the cap

[solid seal]

All I'm seeing is this convo #👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs message

nothing on 15% at 1000

hmm, reading further, someone asked if LP has a lower chance on rune of ascendance uniques and he responded no.

[outer nacelle]

well thats wrong

i did 150 glove ascensions, the lp rate was abysmal

frozen sentinel also has data that supports

[solid seal]

I'm looking at FrozenSentinel's ascendance data on rings and it's about a 25% 1+ LP hit rate from Ascendance. u/decho on reddit had a 251 ring test and had a 22% 1+ LP hit rate. My 1000 ascended ring test had a 20.4% 1+ LP hit rate. Look at the prophecy drop data for rings, 82% of my 840 ring test were 1+ LP. FrozenSentinel had about 82% as well (297 ring test at 100c).

the only thing I can think of was that he was responding to the literal question, in which the LP chance doesn't change. The game does a roll to determine whether to actually roll the property and if that roll succeeds (1/3 chance), then proceeds to roll the LP as if it were like any lvl 100 0 corruption drop

[livid spruce]

The common drops yes, the rare drops no. Rare drops are affected by rarity.

[outer nacelle]

bruh 1000 rings. that's a lot of runes. how many red rings did you get?

[native isle]

1

red rings have a 0.1% drop rate

[solid seal]

1

[outer nacelle]

guess frozensentinal was just super lucky then to get 3 from 214. that's closer to 1% than .1%

well i got 0 rav voids from 150 attempts. i can do another 150 soon

[solid seal]

i've run 3 840 ring prophecy tests so far at different corruption levels. Saw 12 distinct Red Rings. 35 distinct Oceareon's

[outer nacelle]

any 1lp red rings?

[solid seal]

4

so 8 total with rank 10

Sheet is here btw, teal headered tables https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DLiKBOApPtBBm5prr185HU-iYM9k28ENFgz-voXpB-4/edit#gid=667650554

Here's the ascendance data from decho and myself https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DLiKBOApPtBBm5prr185HU-iYM9k28ENFgz-voXpB-4/edit#gid=1827437752

[finite charm]

Not uniques

When you say rare, if you mean exalted and such, then yes

But uniques are not

[livid spruce]

Rare exclusive unique/set items

[earnest bramble]

How good are prophecies for target farming

[solid seal]

depends on what you're targetting.

[earnest bramble]

And should I not be spending favour until I’m max rank ?

[azure token]

You have to.spend favour

to go up rank

[solid seal]

You should be spending favor whenever you get the chance until you hit 10. Rank 10 duplicates rewards. Rank 9 unlocks the 3rd lens slot. Rank 8 unlocks double rewards lens. Rank 7 unlocks double use lens.

[azure token]

COF isnt bad but it just gives u a lot of jumk

[earnest bramble]

Oh that’s how it works. I thought the favour earned is what ranked you up but it’s actually spending the favour that does

[solid seal]

750 xp = 1 favor. 1 favor = 4 rep, 2 rep when you earn that favor, 2 rep when you spend that favor.

All spending counts for rep. You can buy lenses, buy prophecies, reroll constellations, or gamble for items.

[earnest bramble]

Wish I hadn’t run up the the level 90 monoliths before signing up for it then

[solid seal]

doesn't really matter. Once you maximize the experience gains from XP tomes (caps at area & character level 95+), that's going to be the source of more than half of your favor gains for awhile. XP/favor from monster kills really doesn't outscale tomes until around 200+ corruption

[earnest bramble]

are XP tomes the type of echo?

[solid seal]

Yes

[finite charm]

Is there a link to them saying that boss exclusive unique drop rates are impacted by corruption?

Or did you mean excluding?

[livid spruce]

Not corruption, rarity. I'll see if I can find one later when I get a chance and I'll ping you.

[gray ermine]

almost getting nothing? lol... The primary benefit is favor/hr

There is huge incentive to push as high as possible at least up until clear speed starts to falter

Pushing is the hard part, once I get to where I want to be and start farming my favor/hr will 2-3x

[hidden temple]

i have 13 red rings but no 1lp red rings, so frustrating

[celest swift]

what is the draw to oceareon's is it just good for specific builds?

[frosty pelican]

yea that was extremely unlikely but just goes to show what can happen with a "small" sample size

[frosty pelican]

It has a 10% more damage multi on a ring slot. A few other things that could synergize with your build too, maybe freeze rate stuff. But that alone isn't bad. Getting 2LP or more is very hard though

[finite charm]

Diminishing returns from bonus

[gray ermine]

From experience bonus???

Rarity + XP scaling actually outpaces corruption value as far as I can tell lmao

[finite charm]

No, things like LP bonus and such

[gray ermine]

that's irrelevant

Favor/hr is king

pushing is king

[finite charm]

If you say so. Personally, I think there's a cap to it, after which it's not worth doing more I think for me it would 1500 to 2k (I'm not chasing more favor than I can spend)

[gray ermine]

it isn' an "if I say so" thing

I'd like to see u farm 300k+ favor/hr at 1500

have a stash full of high end 3-4LP items, almost 1m+ favor and a book full of prophecies, etc.

I actually can't even spend my favor fast enough when pushing lmao

[finite charm]

Yeah, if you're playing 24/7 and can spend that kind of favor do it up

1 hour at 1.5k to 2k corruption is 200k favor

[gray ermine]

again that's irrelevant

yes I play a lot

the fact remains that u should push until clear speed falters and then grind favor

that is the strat

end

[finite charm]

You're passing a lot of personal preferences as fact my man 😁

[gray ermine]

this isn't an opinion based thing

bigger number = better

it's simple bro

stop it

literally have video evidence to prove my favor generation

good luck with your feelings based logic

[finite charm]

Lol ok

Having more favor than you can spend for what reason?

Logarithmic algo is used for LP bonus.

[gray ermine]

because I can spend it all in one day once I'm done pushing and start doing rotations

simple solution to this problem

[finite charm]

Right. Cause you play that much. For most others, a cap of about 1.5k to 2k is probably fine

[gray ermine]

we no longer interact with eachother

blocked

[finite charm]

Bye Felicia

[marsh glen]

lol dude got butthurt because you didnt take his anecdotal evidence as fact.

[gray ermine]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDzmXncnB30&t=2724s&ab_channel=Skurge

anecdotal

I will do the same thing at 3kc+

anecdotal

miss me with that

[marsh glen]

my brother in christ just because it happend to you doesnt mean its indicitive of the experience everyone else would have if they did the same thing

[gray ermine]

clearly bigger number = anecdotal

[marsh glen]

this game is random. R A N D O M

we no longer interact with eachother
blocked

[gray ermine]

u have to be trolling

2 down

anyone else going to tag me and then refuse to drop a nonsensical argument?

go now

[potent solstice]

How do you exit before completing the mono, and how do you know it is time to exit?

[gray ermine]

tp out before u finish all waves

I try to prep multiple echoes before grinding cause they have bugged out and auto complete on me before

prepping with triple enrage/deadly at this point isn't as valuable anyway, relatively speaking

still only +120%

tome runs are better up until a point and I dont know when grinding is better

I would guess somewhere between 500-1k, but no clue

[solid seal]

the bonus stability progress bar is cropped out of the video, but it basically tells you when you are getting close to completing.

[gray ermine]

true tbh I never thought about that when grinding arena echoes

I was counting waves/eyeballing it lmao

but that's a really good point

[celest swift]

is that good strategy b/c it just blasts waves of enemies at you?

[gray ermine]

yeah I believe so

and also a low concentration of potentially deadly enemies

ur not going to get 3+ dangerous rares that take 30s to kill stacked up

like the odds of encountering a double damage reduction aura + double proximity shield fiasco much lower

when I chain pull 5 screens in normal echoes it happens way more often

[gray ermine]

it's also really consistent density, I could be wrong but average density seems like it could be affected by layout

and I prefer Sanctuary Arena for max density

[celest swift]

when i town portal a normal echo it resets to something new, how do you keep the arena echo the same so it doesn't change to a new echo?

[gray ermine]

wdym? I'm in an arena echo right now

u just TP out before completing and should be able to reenter

and again this strat might not be worth it at lower corruption u need to test

[celest swift]

yeah i'm only 215c

[gray ermine]

ur almost certainly better off doing tome runs, but I'm not sure. There are other caveats to this strat like no random drops, but my mindset is that favor is king and maximizing that is best.

for pure favor/hr I think this strategy is best if higher corruption

[earnest bramble]

so the best strategy till late corruption is doing monolith tome runs

[gray ermine]

I believe so, and again I'm unsure when XP scaling from corruption will outweigh it. I also need to do more extensive testing, but I'm 99.99% sure I get more from arena echoes than I would from tome runs at 2.5k.

Tomes give me roughly 450 favor each, so I'd gain around 1300-1400 per Tome Reward, need to spend time in temple resetting, less consistent density, random objectives, random Tome spawn RNG, etc.

ur basically eliminating most uncontrollable variables and achieving maximum consistency by grinding arena echoes

Another factor is that being able to fix x3 deadly/enrage (120% XP bonus) is more valuable (relative to current corruption), the lower you are

+120% on top of 500-1000% is much more valuable than +120% on top of 3000%... So, there's likely a sweet spot where u actually get maximum value by fixing the modifiers for +120%

[earnest bramble]

im only on the normal monliths right now

[gray ermine]

Don't worry about any of this unless ur at least 500c imo

tome runs prob better at least until that point, but I'm unsure

[tight valley]

Is it me or is there too many types for the east telescope and not enough lens slots lol trying for unique off hand catalysts almost don't exist for me

[finite charm]

Do wealth + rhyme + catalyst lense

sometimes it takes a reroll or two, but they're there

without the catalyst lense, i barely see those prophecies

[tight valley]

im using the 2 purple that increase cost to get more attempts and rewards along with the uniques in general have more chance

[finite charm]

yeah, if you're farming uniques, sure

but that telescope has a lot of stuff in it

so if you're target farming catalysts, you're better off using the catalyst lense along with wealth and rhyme (the 90% and 80% ones that you're using)

[tight valley]

most of my build is legendarys and besides ladle all can be found in prophecys so thats why i went with the generic unique one

[finite charm]

I use the generic unique one in almost every other telescope

but like you, I also use ladle

and in that telescope, that means there's nothing else except catalysts (for us)

so you're better off with the catalyst lense.

[tight valley]

they seem to be the hardest thing to find for me lol

[finite charm]

@frosty pelican recently did a video on this...

[tight valley]

gotcha thanks

i cant remember the name of the YTber i saw but does sentinel have a small following atm like 7k subs? is that the same one?

[finite charm]

Probably

3 slots, 1 for rhyme, 1 for wealth, 1 for catalyst lense

that's what i basically perma-have on that telescope

[tight valley]

yeah that was too in depth for me i couldnt follow along XD too advanced for my brain

anyway thanks

[finite charm]

basically it comes down to what i said

that's what he recommends to do for target farming anyways

wealth + rhyme + either unique or specific item you're looking for

sometimes, in some rare instances, you can also use a blocker lense

but, it's not the norm

(e.g. - arena events or something like that)

[tight valley]

do you ever find that some lenses you put in inv to move them about can disappear but appear in inv later?

[finite charm]

Hmm, no, that sounds like a bug

[tight valley]

doesnt always happen and its been under different conditions to try replicate to be able to report it

i just remember it happening bevause i had to buy new lenses then when sorting them in storage i had more than before

[full acorn]

NGL, it's really annoying how Void Horrors from the Beacon timelines don't ever get accounted for when trying to clear Void Horror prophecies. Up to some extent, I get that they come in droves when activating a beacon, but where else am I supposed to find them? Especially when I have prophecies that specify I need to run monoliths for them to count?

And honestly, I would like the void horrors from beacon timelines to be included in the prophecy count even if it meant that I have to kill 6 of them instead of 2 per progress count.

[hallow plume]

the void themed timelines have them

[full acorn]

Oh right

[hallow plume]

yeah it's annoying for sure just something to be aware of which mob types spawn in the timeline your farming

[finite gust]

It would make more sense if the beacon void horrors had a different name, like the variations on Siege Golems.

the siege golems in soul bastion don't count as siege golems, even though they look the same: but they have different names, at least.

so they should rename the void horrors that spawn in beacons to Beacon Horrors or something like that.

[livid spruce]

The ones in soulfire also are necrotic instead of fire, but yeah renaming the void horrors there would be nice

I'd love it in general if the beacon encounter got changed up anyway tbh

[frosty pelican]

I put out a spread sheet that helps but generally 2x is always the best. Keep in mind the "1.8x / 1.9x" multiplier in the label is not actually correct. Thanks to Typecast for compiling all that data

[frosty pelican]

Tunk labs beastiary is really useful for this but I don't grab void horrors personally

[solid seal]

The two optional quest echoes in The Last Ruin have at least 1 void horror per run in each of them. It's up to you on which one you want to do. For the first quest echo (The Defiled Wood), just run around the entire area once and snipe the void horrors if you see them. Back in 1.0.4, it was usually one, up to three. Ignore the objectives (never kill the monster back at the camp) so you can repeat the quest echo as much as you want. For the second quest echo (The Voidscarred Archive), there are usually two on the path to the first objective. The first can be found in a room where it circular paths in, the second can be found patrolling the top of the steps to the boss. You can kill the first objective if you want, but do not bother with the arena event on the follow-up objective (which also completes the echo and didn't spawn horrors).

[finite gust]

there are both necrotic and fire siege golems in bastion. I think the fire ones are called Fire Golems instead of Siege Golems.

[solid seal]

Void Horror, Immortal Eye, and Giant Scorpion prophecies are also monolith only events. Siege Golems, Diamond Matrons are the two rare monsters that are not tied to specific activities.

Prophecy "death of Boss" bestiary info https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DLiKBOApPtBBm5prr185HU-iYM9k28ENFgz-voXpB-4/edit#gid=1291330825

Prophecy event info https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DLiKBOApPtBBm5prr185HU-iYM9k28ENFgz-voXpB-4/edit#gid=1614088490

[finite gust]

ohhh, there's a bestiary doc!

[solid seal]

the bestiary doc is specifically for hunting down bosses. the info on rares is in the event info table

[livid spruce]

No, just necrotic ones (Possessed Golems)

[tight valley]

great, thanks

[jolly trail]

anyone interested in clocking favor/hr on approx 800-900 arena in 4 player coop? dm me. someone else was getting 60% boost on favor/hr refarming a high density map. i want to see if arena can yield even more if we're able to force spawns fast with 4 ppl.

if you farmed hyperspawns for AQ40 gates in wow you know what we're testing lol

around 5pm cst. only a timed 30m run

[sly idol]

Random question, if you slam a cof exalted item into a blank unique, will the resulting legendary be part of cof?

[livid spruce]

Yes, the tags are all combined onto the legendary

[jolly trail]

https://imgur.com/5ykXI6s

15min tests on repeating mono before the obj finishes

interesting results on the first two

quite a large difference

[acoustic cedar]

Frozen sea is that the wide open one without any obstacles? or almost none

[jolly trail]

yeah i got crabs on it before starting my test. i was trying see if i could get crabs everytime. the enemies/obj changes everytime tho

there are so many maps it would take a long time to do the same test for them all

[acoustic cedar]

Btw if youre really going all in on favor, grab the XP blessing

IF you hadnt already

[jolly trail]

i have it

not maxed but im mainly just game testing. i dont care too much for gear this season

by map there must be several types of enemies you can get. the beastiary doesn't really show this for mono zones

just doing my tests i do think i get a lot of repeat packs just not that crab one as much as id like

[celest swift]

Can you explain how this works a little more and also is this solo or with a group?

[jolly trail]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2118030185

just kill and leave before u complete

[celest swift]

But when you go back in the enemies and even the objective (gate,spires,boss,etc.) can change? And the only thing that stays the same is map layout?

[jolly trail]

the maps never change. you might spawn in at different spots

[celest swift]

Never knew that.

[jolly trail]

id like to do 4player coop to do a 15min test in arena

with everyone sitting on spawn points

it might be significantly higher

[celest swift]

Nice. Did you have similar echo modifiers with the other zone you tested?

[jolly trail]

i only tested those 2 maps and it's the same everything

i might test a few more on that web

some maps do feel pretty slow when there aren't a ton of packs

i feel like the cave maps usually suck

[wheat coral]

be me, leveling a new character

farming to level 5 before I reach keeper town

find a nice wand with no affixes and 28 FP, nice find.

enemy drops a catalyst with 1 LP

[jolly trail]

if u look up the speed leveling guide you can hit empowered mono in about 5 hrs

[wheat coral]

oh.

[wheat coral]

Speed leveling?

ah, I just thought it was funny I got a 1 LP item at level 4 lol

[jolly trail]

yeah its extremely rare to get any lp at low lvls

[wheat coral]

I didn’t even know that you could convert Acid Flask to cold with an item

damn, there’s probably a ton that I’m missing out on

Wait where’s the speed leveling guide, what does it entail

[jolly trail]

w

[wheat coral]

W

[jolly trail]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gxi5Km09zPo&t=1s

the tldr is u only get good xp if u kill things significantly higher lvl than you

so just run past everything

u hit normal mono around 35. only do the right side of the mono and then all 3 lvl 90s and you're in empowered

around lvl 70 by the end

[wheat coral]

Damn I haven’t even reached empowered monoliths on my level 74 character

[native isle]

the thought of grinding corruption on a second character is stopping me from starting a new alt

[wheat coral]

I enjoy the campaign enough, I started doing regular monoliths around level 30-35

But not having access to CoF sucks man

gotta complete the story for that

get to chapter 9*

[jolly trail]

If 4player arena spam is good then it might be possible to get good cor per hr at much lower cor

[native isle]

how does fighting in the arena give corruption?

[jolly trail]

Arena in mono. I wanna test if u sit on the 4 spawns

Stuff should spawn as fast as I kill it

[native isle]

ugh, problem with that is arena echos give reduced stability

unless stability isn't the point

[jolly trail]

It's for favor only

[native isle]

frankly, farming favor holds no appeal to me

since prophecies drop gear at base odds/rarity

and doesn't affect bosses

[jolly trail]

all my gear is from proph at this point. it's easily the fastest

[heady spear]

Wether I stack up gaze of oro or I just farm echo’s till I get to a gaze fight does it make a difference in corrup potential on a fight

[lucid pawn]

The time between finding 2LP uniques for my build is annoying. 3LP's are a myth for me as a torment lock too. I brick a 2lp slam on something i dont see another one of those 2LP items for a couple days at least

[simple parrot]

What is the smartest way to clean up unwanted uniques to free up storage space?

[lucid pawn]

sell em to a vendor for 500g a pop

[jolly trail]

The further you go you get more stability and more cor. Idk what the sweet spot is. I usually go for a 9-12. If you really stack up gaze it's risky because you might die.

[jolly trail]

Drop on the ground. If it's lower then level 50 and 1lp ditch it

[lucid pawn]

some ofthe best items are lower than lvl 50

[heady spear]

Thanks heaps !

[heady spear]

9-12 echos or stacks of gaze sorry if I’m sounding stupid

[jolly trail]

Base corruption from shade

The first ones you find are always 4-5

[lucid pawn]

omfg.. you cant kill Julra and be on a different realm to her or your prophecy doesnt trigger

[jolly trail]

No it will still drop. Proph don't trigger 100% I'm not really sure how they decide to pop

[lucid pawn]

ive never had a boss kill prophecy not trigger, except for this one and im guessing its because i wasnt there so it didnt count as me killing her

[jolly trail]

I kill her almost Everytime on the other side as marks.

[lucid pawn]

whelp... idk then

[finite charm]

I haven't had this problem

are you sure it's not a multi-kill proph?

[lucid pawn]

nah it says 1 kill. and can do it 2 times. the first one worked. second one didnt work

[lucid pawn]

happened AGAIN.. didnt proc cos i was in the other realm

[finite charm]

Weird.

Report it as a bug.

[outer nacelle]

if you die but dots or whatever kills it, the proph doesnt proc (which is good coz you can't pickup your stuff). if you aren't there (other julra realm), game thinks you are dead so it doesn't proc

[celest swift]

do blessing that effect drop rate (like gloves drop rate) effect boss drops?

like if I want frost shackles should i go for glove drop rate

[scarlet wing]

If my CoF is level 10 and I change to MG, what happens, I become MG with level 1?

[solid seal]

A character that switches from CoF to MG will result in the following:

1. CoF favor in the game mode resets to 0. This will affect any other characters in the same game mode since favor is shared.
2. CoF rep/rank remain unchanged. If you have no other characters in CoF and later decide to return, your rep will still be Rank 10.
3. Any gear that has a CoF faction requirement will need to be removed before you can leave the bazaar area. So make sure you have replacement items ready to go.
4. Any active prophecies on the character that switches are deleted.
5. No idea what happens to lenses.

This only applies to switching factions. If you level a new character and have it simply join a faction, then nothing else happens.

[solid seal]

No. Those only affect random drops.

[celest swift]

bummer

[wheat coral]

Anyone ever thought about a Discovery -> Removal -> Shatter loop for free affixes?

[finite charm]

Removal uses FP.

Also, shards are easy to get. I wouldn't use runes that you get less of during gameplay for random shards IMO.

During gameplay, you'll end up with 10s of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of shards, but always less runes

[wheat coral]

yeah, not using it for FP on the og item

But discovery has higher chances of rarer affixes

Some affixes I don’t even have a single shard for, and I’ve gotten multiple through discovery

[scarlet wing]

So, the additional shards be returned 100% when the item is destroyed?

[finite charm]

No

[wheat coral]

not exactly

Not wasting a single shard by doing this

more like converting extra runes into specific shards

[finite charm]

Except they're not specific, they're random

[amber fjord]

you'll get them for sure. when you get to the point in CoF where it rains T7s and Double T6s, keep rare affixes in your filter for shattering. But you'll also get to a point where you only want those rare affixes in t7 or t6, meaning you won't be crafting them onto things

[finite charm]

This is the way

[wheat coral]

I haven’t reached that point in CoF unfortunately, almost at rank 5

But I have way more runes

[finite charm]

Yeah, it takes a little while

[wheat coral]

than I know what to do with

[finite charm]

Trust, towards the end, you'll never have enough shattering runes

[wheat coral]

All I need is one affix to be at T7 rn, and then graft on the shards I’ve acquired

[wheat coral]

I already have way too many 😭

[finite charm]

I'm telling you, when CoF starts giving you a ton of exalted gear

[amber fjord]

just keep doing XP monoliths and you'll get there soon. the jump of getting rare affixes after rank 7/8 is super huge

[wheat coral]

Its removal that I need more of

[finite charm]

You should use them then

[wheat coral]

My items are working atm

And I have a ton of shards

[finite charm]

🤷🏻‍♂️

[wheat coral]

all I need them for rn is if I brick stuff XD

[amber fjord]

legit, i get so much exalts right now, that I have a helmet tab, a mage helmet tab, and an acolyte helmet tab. same thing for body armor. I'm close to making a second relic tab too

[finite charm]

We're all giving you this advice but, I mean, you do you, 😁

[wheat coral]

👍

[wheat coral]

The purple stuff does drop a lot

I finally turned on a loot filter, and I still see a lot of purple

CoF > MG just for the feeling of loot dropping

[finite charm]

Kind of.

There's pros and cons to each

[wheat coral]

It’s not actually better, I’m aware

[finite charm]

Getting exalted gear is easier in CoF.

[amber fjord]

you might also want to check if there's another upgrade you can do in the mean time. your problem might be corruption

[finite charm]

But uniques with LP especially boss drops, MG is better

[wheat coral]

but I see them as playstyle differences

[wheat coral]

wdym? also yeah I do need to upgrade my player skill tbh

I haven’t even started corrupted timelines yet lol, I’m a filthy casual

Lightless Arbor T2 I swear I can facetank it (I die to one shot every time)

[amber fjord]

so every bonus you get form CoF is a multiplier. Think of the drop rate of medium-high corruption (200+) as a base number. if you're multiplying something to 1, then the result will be lower than by multiplying the same number to 10

[wheat coral]

ah, so they stack multiplicatively?

[amber fjord]

anything that says x% is multiplied by 1.x

[wheat coral]

Actually I have a more pressing question

I know Lightless Arbor is the vault thing

But what is Soulfire Bastion and Temporal Sanctum’s end reward?

[amber fjord]

soulfire is a better gambler

temp sanct is the thing that slams exalts into legendary potential uniques

soulfire gambler can drop exalts and uniques

[wheat coral]

Better gambler?

Sorry for the boob questions

noob*

[amber fjord]

no worries. we all gotta start somehwere

though

[wheat coral]

I don’t really care for meta and all that, so I’m pretty behind the curve

I did try using the wiki but it was severely outdated

[amber fjord]

I would suggest to only do dungeons if you like them (the most important part), or you need the drops. the money you spend on lightless arbor will be needed for stash tabs. a CoF player deep into the cycle can get to the point where they're buying stash tabs for 200k to 300k a pop.

Also someone from Youtube made a CoF Lens calculator https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DLiKBOApPtBBm5prr185HU-iYM9k28ENFgz-voXpB-4/edit#gid=1513029757

Through this, if you don't know what you're going for or are still targeting a bunch of stuff, your lens will probably be double tires, double rewards, and no dungeons

[amber fjord]

use https://www.lastepochtools.com/

[wheat coral]

This site does seem much better

Also stash tabs aren’t too expensive, all my characters are SCF

[amber fjord]

but like if you enjoy dungeons and don't mind that there are only 3, please do dungeons and don't listen to me

[wheat coral]

so I don’t think they share prices

Oh I enjoy the dungeons a lot, I just haven’t beat Lightless Arbor yet

And didn’t wanna start the other two without knowing what their gimmick is

since I have like 200-300k total on my main character, I figured that would be enough to LA.

And since I have no “Perfect Slam” items (and only one usable item with LP on it), I skipped slamming too.

[amber fjord]

huh. your issue is either cast speed or defense. You a ward character or health?

[wheat coral]

Oh, I meant gold

[amber fjord]

Oh lol

[wheat coral]

For defense…

I dodge the hits

My guy is a Spellblade

I have Mana Strike, Flame Reave, Shatter Strike, Surge, Enchant Weapon

I use Ward and Leech to survive, as well as dodging hits with surge and my movement ability

since I don’t have a button for potions on my controller, i just wing it

[amber fjord]

fun build. I had one in beta.

[wheat coral]

I went with a swordsman theme, and definitely not regretting it

But he’s my only character who made it to CoF

[amber fjord]

you have the spellblade rings yet?

[wheat coral]

Spellblade rings?

I don’t think so

I’m not using any uniques or anything, except for a Weaver’s Will ring

I hope I don’t get it from Rahyeh

[amber fjord]

sunwreath. you should target your prohecies to it first. it's the thing that makes flamewreath builds good

[wheat coral]

Go for ring / unique prophecies then?

My only problem with prophecies is it feels like I’ve no idea where to find the enemy they’re talking about

[amber fjord]

ring/unque or double tries/ring

[wheat coral]

Like immortal eye in monolith, wtf even is that

I’ve got like 6 prophecies regarding those things, never seen one

[amber fjord]

if the target is a specific monolith, its usually the boss of that monolith. same with arena bosses. dungeons will usually ask you to hunt rares, and story bosses, you could probably just search them up.

[wheat coral]

Nah it would’ve been awesome if they specified, so I know where to look

[amber fjord]

immortal eye is that jellyfish skeleton you fought on the way to the university of welryn

they're random

[wheat coral]

Like for that and giant scorpion, it just says monolith 😭

[amber fjord]

those are random too

[wheat coral]

Jellyfish eh? I think I know what you mean

the dudes who pop up out the water?

At the docks

?

[amber fjord]

no. the bone colored guys that shoot necrotic lasers

in the imperial era

[solid seal]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DLiKBOApPtBBm5prr185HU-iYM9k28ENFgz-voXpB-4/edit#gid=1614088490

[amber fjord]

OH LOL thanks. I forgot that the google sheet also had this

[wheat coral]

Woah what is this, it’s like a goldmine T_T

[wheat coral]

Ohhhhhh, I think I know who you mean

The ones with the tentacles right?

[amber fjord]

yeah. and if you don't kill them fast enough, they suicide bomb you

[solid seal]

don't use that sheet, use the sheet I updated the link to

sorry

[wheat coral]

I KNEW IT

YEAH

[amber fjord]

oh. what's the difference?

[wheat coral]

they always show up under a different name though

so it doesn’t count 😮

[solid seal]

the document doesn't belong to me. the one i first link I'm just modifying for personal use and sharing with frozen for him to cherry pick what he wants

[wheat coral]

like they are the same enemy, but the name is different so it doesn’t count. Do I need to just wait until they have the right name, or should I backtrack to a different timeline?

Confusing but lovely game

I love Last Epoch lol

[amber fjord]

you're probably looking for a slightly bigger one. some commons have larger versions that are rares or bosses

like how spymaster zerrick is a big leech

[wheat coral]

Ah well, I’ve mostly been using purchasing prophecies just to gain more reputation

[wheat coral]

He really is dude

He really is…

[solid seal]

"Imperial Watcher" and "Immortal Eye" are two different monsters even though both have the same model and skills

[wheat coral]

You even knew the alternate name!

I love both of you

[solid seal]

similarly, "Void Horrors" and "Void Horrors" from beacons are different monsters with the same name, skill set, and model

[wheat coral]

That’s… actually kind of annoying

[solid seal]

https://lastepoch.tunklab.com/npc/VoidHorror

https://lastepoch.tunklab.com/npc/BeaconVoidHorror

[wheat coral]

I would be annoyed if I wasn’t told beforehand

[wheat coral]

Wow.

It makes sense yet doesn’t

[amber fjord]

IDK if legit, but i seem to have a higher chance to get monolith nodes that match the actual monolith itself. like i get more undead in the undead monolith. could just be my luck though

[outer nacelle]

So the beacon one doesn't work for prophs?

[wheat coral]

I often die a bunch on my weaker characters in monoliths

What I’ve noticed is

[solid seal]

Void Horrors from beacons do not progress prophecy events. Void Horrors from the void gate do.

[wheat coral]

It’s somewhat randomized what enemies you’ll get during a mono

As when I mono test a character, I run the same node to ensure not wasting any extra rewards

and the enemies will cycle to a different set when I come right back

[wheat coral]

But this is also true, I’ve noticed scorpions randomizing into scorpions more often than it switching constantly

[amber fjord]

definitely a defense issue then. you want in order, capped resistances, capped crit strike avoidance, capped endurance, 2k-4k health, 50%ish armor, then good ward.

though the health and ward are interchangeable if you're going low life

[wheat coral]

Damn that’s a lot of defensive stats to focus on

[amber fjord]

last epoch is pretty much defense first

cause no matter how good you are in your sekiro-esque timings, you'll still get hit

[wheat coral]

Yeah, I’ve noticed my Spellblade and Primalist are the only characters who don’t die often

Though I don’t really spec 100% into defense on them, the little bit they have def helps

[wheat coral]

This feels like a challenge 😤

[amber fjord]

the capped resistances helps a lot

[wheat coral]

That one I have been trying to aim for

[amber fjord]

capped resistances should bring you to empowered

[wheat coral]

Been trying to get most of my resistances from passives though

So I can free up me items

[solid seal]

even with capped resists, be careful around monsters that do poison. Each stack of poison also innately shreds.

[wheat coral]

But as I was doing stronger monos, I noticed items with stronger base stats

Like one item literally had like +75% Poison Resistance on it

As an Implicit

Felt like I was hallucinating

[amber fjord]

base stats aren't important unless you have passives or euips that tell you to stack them high

[lucid pawn]

Lol im at 500c with uncapped res

[amber fjord]

tell me you have 30k+ ward without telling me you have 30k+ ward. Hahahaha

[lucid pawn]

6k ward

[wheat coral]

Damn I barely even hit 1k

Actually I don’t

[amber fjord]

wow. that's actually really good.

maybe I'm just dumb with mechanics. hahaha

[lucid pawn]

Its warlock man... one of the easiest classes in the game tbh

[amber fjord]

true. same with falconer

[lucid pawn]

Yeh. Im protected by ghostflame a lot. Its so OP

[amber fjord]

though I know it's very basic b, but I really like nova frost claw RM

[amber fjord]

torment or bleed?

[wheat coral]

There’s a node on Frostclaw that procs Elemental Nova right?

[amber fjord]

yep. but you need a very specific setup to not go 0 mana

[lucid pawn]

Self ignite torment

[wheat coral]

Mana Regen is hard to come by in this game

[lucid pawn]

On dummies, fully buffed my torment dot can tick over 3 milion

[amber fjord]

ooh. I have one of these too, but I'm not a fan of the plague spam

[wheat coral]

Self ignite sounds pretty scary

[amber fjord]

not mana regen. you go mana efficiency and regain mana on x

[lucid pawn]

It packs a whollop

[wheat coral]

I saw a similar node in Harvest about bleeding myself, and I got scared

[wheat coral]

Wait Mana Efficiency as in the -Spell Cost stuff?

[amber fjord]

so get this. DanDan is at 6k stable ward, but he's always at 40 stacks of self ignite

[lucid pawn]

The ignite doesnt do any meaningful dmg to you. But it adds a boat load of dmg

[amber fjord]

yep. why regen mana if you can make your spells cost 0

[lucid pawn]

Im squishy AF hence why im always using profane veil and ghost flame. They make you basically invincible

[amber fjord]

souls plus profane veil ftw

[lucid pawn]

I dont use the wandering spirits. Its very viable tho.

[wheat coral]

I think I saw him in front of the Supreme Court some weeks ago actually

[amber fjord]

LOL

[wheat coral]

Is that the spell with the spirits just floating around aimlessly?

I don’t care how useful that spell might be it just feels so bad to use lol

It doesn’t have a good feel to it, I can’t explain why

[amber fjord]

that's fair. you gotta have a build that calls out to you

[wheat coral]

Nah I just mean I don’t like the spirits floating there

I’ve no idea if it’s powerful or synergistic

The way they just aimlessly float without a care in the world… it makes me jealous.

[amber fjord]

oh lol. well, whatever vacation you're aiming for, i wish you all the best

[wheat coral]

The permanent vacation.

Anyway, I’m boutta head to sleep I think, thanks for all your help chieftains.

If I’m back, it’s because I failed. Good luck with the grinding team

[lucid pawn]

Yes. They synergise with profane veil via passives in profane veils skill tree. Quite powerful

[shadow plaza]

anyone on?

[acoustic cedar]

Does prophecy loot take into account zone level or is it always considered 100?

[heady spear]

convinced frostbite shackles don't exist

[acoustic cedar]

There is a nice campaign spot to force diamond matron spawn but if I can't drop t7 it's pointless

[eager lake]

I don't believe prophecies care where you are

But check to make sure it's not "monolith only"

[livid spruce]

They kinda care, since apparently corruption affects LP chance for prophecized uniques, I just don't know how much exactly it cares

[livid spruce]

rng be random, make sure to do empowered

[rough depot]

they dropped for me first time I killed the boss on 100c XD

but 0LP

[celest swift]

Same. They took them out of the game because to many builds abusing them.

[wheat coral]

Rune of Creation where

[livid spruce]

Anywhere

[jolly spire]

west telescope

[wheat coral]

Damn I haven’t had a single one drop ever in my 1000hrs playing lol

Also Merophage just dropped, this is huge

[livid spruce]

It's the rarest rune/glyph, for sure

[smoky wigeon]

1000 hours? including beta?
merophage huge? Ain't that a pretty common drop mate?
Can't really believe you, I had like 5 runes of creation in what... 200 hours?

[jolly spire]

and now that prophecies exist

[wheat coral]

since release actually

it’s been the only game I really play lol

[smoky wigeon]

and you got not a single rune of creation?

[wheat coral]

Not one

[smoky wigeon]

and you are happy about a merophage?

[wheat coral]

Do they not drop somewhere specific?

[wheat coral]

Very

[smoky wigeon]

random af, or you do prophecies

[wheat coral]

Yo Merophage is lit man

Free L4 right there man

[smoky wigeon]

why that? Is it some kind of godly roll, or did you hit the best shatter in the universe?

[wheat coral]

I have 1 item with LP that’s usable

so this sword is huge to me

But it’s not outdpsing my current exalted weapon, I gotta wait for a godly shatter

[smoky wigeon]

I am a little confused, are you playing solo self account found or what is happening here haha

[wheat coral]

Yeah all my characters are SCF

[smoky wigeon]

aaaaaaaa

ok understood

[wheat coral]

The only ARPG I played before this was D3 Reaper of Souls

If I knew that SCF was a bad idea for ARPGs, I wouldn’t have clicked it lol

But once one character was on it, I felt I had to commit

[smoky wigeon]

crazy that you only played d3 ros, and no lost ark, d4 or poe at least once

[wheat coral]

Well I was in like high school

I played it on my bro’s PS4

[smoky wigeon]

same here hahaha

[wheat coral]

with my other bro

I’m not huge on ARPGs

but I LOVE skill trees

And customization

[smoky wigeon]

cough poe cough

[wheat coral]

My other brother (I’ve got way too many) told me to buy this back when it was in beta

But he never ended up playing it so it just sat there

then it released and he reminded me, and I’ve been in love since

[wheat coral]

I heard you can lose xp in that, I’m gonna pass on that lol

I’m a filthy casual

[smoky wigeon]

ye bought le in beta too but it was so laggy that i didn't even play any char above lvl30, I thought i refunded it, but to my surprise after i checked my library I still had it 😂

[wheat coral]

I never even launched it when my bro never played it 😭

it just sat there as well, and when I saw him playing it I was like damn, what game is that

[smoky wigeon]

if you are a casual you will probably never reach lvl 100 there, you die once and lose 10% xp on lvl 99, and that's equal to i am not to sure anymore one hour or hours of non stop grinding

[wheat coral]

Hell nah that’s an L, I’m super casual

I make my builds based on theme not even strength or synergy 😭

[finite charm]

PoE?

[smoky wigeon]

yes

[wheat coral]

Rough 😭

[wheat coral]

Items can have more than 1 exalted affix right

[solid seal]

Yes

[wheat coral]

WOOOOO! My first character with maxed skills

Let’s gooooo

[brave python]

How is favor generated? Just like straight xp=favor?

[sage hearth]

750xp = 1 favor I believe

Is the conversion

Higher corruption, xp blessing = faster favor gains

[heady spear]

at this rate I’d be happy with a 0 lp

[heady spear]

ong

[celest swift]

They didn't really.

At least as far as I know

[heady spear]

no I know that 😭

but it’s drop rate got me feelin like it’s non existent

and then I have to farm twisted heart after shackles

[wheat coral]

Do I wanna grind CoF or watch an anime

[wheat coral]

Bros tryna manifest good drops with that username

[livid spruce]

Why not both?

[heady spear]

😭😭 well it’s not working !!

[wheat coral]

One after the other 😭

[wheat coral]

Same, g… same…

[livid spruce]

@finite charm I'm finally back home, so I got a good dev explanation of item rarity on boss drops: https://old.reddit.com/r/LastEpoch/comments/t7ipwf/does_increased_item_rarity_from_echo_modifiers/hzi5x3r/?context=3

[finite charm]

Ty sir!

Ok, so the common drops are usually the guaranteed drops

Like, boots or gloves from formosus

Or is it the amulet

I can't remember, but 2 of them are common and 1 is rare

Ok, so yeah. This makes sense and it's what I thought it was. Thanks!

[livid spruce]

It's boots and amulet for formosus, yeah

and he's got like 3 rare drops I think? gloves, axe, and catalyst

[livid spruce]

Any time!

[solid seal]

funny story, I was actually looking for the quote that is in the reply "The blessings currently don't have any effect on boss specific drops. This is something that we're hoping to change in future, because it would be more intuitive if they did affect them, but unfortunately it's not so simple to actually do. The blessings do, however, affect all non-specific random item drops from enemies, including non-boss-specific uniques."

[livid spruce]

Yeah conveniently also notes that rarity has no effect on echo rewards, Trasochi is a true legend

[finite charm]

Very interesting. And TIL.

So, what's the deal with that then, best to spend time killing monsters to get drops with prophs than rolling luck on reward chests?

[livid spruce]

I think if you have really favorable mob spawns (lots of rare enemies, good density, relatively easy to kill) it can be worthwhile to blast the enemies for longer than the usual objective rush

but the echo rewards usually wouldn't benefit much from rarity anyway, typically... makes me wonder if corruption scales their LP chance at all

[finite charm]

Good question

[gloomy garnet]

dev said it does scale lp drops on stream

[finite charm]

Toast is talking about chests specifically.

[gloomy garnet]

ah

chests suck

[sage hearth]

Boots and amulet is a 50/50 guaranteed drop, the scythe and gloves are 5%~ rare drops

[sage hearth]

This is what I was trying to explain to people, while corruption does increase the chance for LP, you have to understand that if an item has a 4LP potential of 1 in a trillion, increasing it by 15% will still make it a 1 in a trillion item

😂

The corruption increase for LP is only really visible on the low LP level potential items,

It also should be noted that after 600 corruption the gain is so diminishing you don't really need to push any further

Like if it's 15% at 600, it's gonna be 16% at 2k

[finite charm]

I think the return actually drops off after 1500c

It's a logarithmic algo

So like a curve

[sage hearth]

No, it's already hitting a wall at 600,

[finite charm]

That doesn't make sense based on what they said.

[sage hearth]

And you believe what they say?

[finite charm]

Over someone randomly making comments on discord? Yes. I trust the devs over that.

[sage hearth]

Everything we know was data mined from the game by people and Devs never confirmed any numbers

[finite charm]

Actually, devs did give numbers on that.

They gave 3 numbers specifically

[sage hearth]

I will trust what LE tools say over Devs at this point, especially when Devs like to backtrack on their own statements from day to day

[finite charm]

Well, that's fine to have that opinion.

[sage hearth]

Even if that was the case, and even if the increase was like 100% at 1500 which we know it isn't, my point still stands

[finite charm]

It's not 100% at 1500c...

Logarithmic means you won't ever hit the ceiling.

[sage hearth]

So you just don't read what I type, at all

[finite charm]

The number is effectively infinite

[sage hearth]

Okay, no point talking here

[finite charm]

I don't think I can have this conversation with you. At least we agree on that.

[sage hearth]

Yeah, cos you can't read a sentence and understand what's being said , but I understand not everyone has english as their first language

[finite charm]

No, it's because I don't think you know what logarithmic is.

And someone that fundamentally won't agree on what is true information is someone that can't have a conversation based on reality.

But you do you.

[sage hearth]

even IF it was the case EVEN IF it was 100% it still wouldn't make a difference, has NOTHING TO DO WITH LOGARITHMIC you're talking about at all

But you can't read so it's okay ,

[finite charm]

👍

[sage hearth]

All I was trying to get across is that the items that have probability in the integer numbers don't care about how big the increase is

[finite charm]

👍

[sage hearth]

😂 clown

Fitting with your profile deco

[finite charm]

👍

😂

[finite charm]

There is something called LPL.

That is what you're talking about.

[sage hearth]

Oh, so you can read after all

[finite charm]

That's not what we were discussing

So you are taking about something else entirely.

[sage hearth]

You were talking about echo rewards being affected

[finite charm]

And even with that, you're still not correct about how LPL works.

[sage hearth]

So enlighten me how it works

[finite charm]

Since both of those things, the LP bonus, and LPL impact LP rolls.

LPL doesn't have to do with item rarity. It is an intrinsic value that items have that determines their difficulty to roll LP in the first place.

We were discussing, originally, if corruption impacts boss drops, if so, which type.

Rare drops, or guaranteed drops.

So....

Who doesn't know how to read?

[sage hearth]

but it does affect the boss drops lmao

[finite charm]

Read up.

[sage hearth]

Both actually

[finite charm]

Devs answered directly.

Not gonna argue against someone that refuses to read and then says "no u"

[sage hearth]

Yeah so direct me to the msg then

"Devs said"

[finite charm]

Read up.

Good luck

[sage hearth]

Read up, I scrolled the chat back for 2 days, Devs didn't say sh here

[finite charm]

There's thing thing on the internet. They're called links

If you click them, they take you places

Where there is usually more stuff to read.

I know, it sounds hard.

But bear with me for a sec.

[sage hearth]

Still doesn't provide it, as I said, a clown

[sage hearth]

Says this and then doesn't say, he said they said Devs said, kekw

[finite charm]

The guy that says I can't read, can't find a link in text by reading. 😂

Good times 👍👍

[sage hearth]

You mean them talking about increase for uncommon boss drops, while you're mocking me for not knowing exact numbers

Clown

Also that post was from over 2 years ago as well, and didn't give any specific numbers

[finite charm]

O wow, you found the link. Only took you 20 minutes 😂😂😂😂😂

[sage hearth]

You can't provide me with the numbers you are talking about, then mock me, then direct me to something completely different then continue to mock me

You sir are just an idiot who can't take an L

[finite charm]

There's other links, if you use this thing called Google with things called keywords, you'll also find other places where they talk about how corruption increases LP chances and they give specific numbers for specific corruptions.

[sage hearth]

Back to my first statement, you simply can't read what I type, blindfold on, or you simply don't want to understand

[finite charm]

I'm not going to do your work for you cause you're kind of a jack ass.

[sullen sandal]

Here we go

[sage hearth]

I'll just utilise the mute button, god bless discord,

[finite charm]

👍

[sage hearth]

It's not worth getting a mute over this

[sullen sandal]

Currently I’m on 1346 corruptions. Haven’t see a helmet with t7 intelligence. Acolyte

[finite charm]

That sucks. Rough rng. Do you farm exalted prophecies?

[sullen sandal]

My other account sentinel, 1600 corruptions, didn’t see a helmet with T7 Healing Hand skill

Of course prophecies

[finite charm]

Not much else you can do then. Just gotta wait for those to drop

[sullen sandal]

I just don’t have the fortune in the circle of fortune

😂

[finite charm]

Lol that's a lot of us

Usually farming for specific T7 affixes or bases with those T7 affixes takes a very long time... And then you end up bricking it trying to forge it anyways 😂

[sullen sandal]

😂

[celest swift]

I’ve still never seen a chest item with +4 shift and +4 shadow cascade on the same item. I’m farming 200c…

[jolly spire]

i bought a +4 shift from npc shop

[wheat coral]

Things getting heated in the looting fandom lol

Today is the day I reach Rank 5!

[celest swift]

ah but was it a +4 shift +4 SC?

[supple pulsar]

When you think you're gonna find that?

[celest swift]

I'm being facetious

[celest swift]

Well guys. It’s been fun but I just called in to the war. They need reinforcements and I’m on the list. I’m going to be a Helldiver.

Try to hold the timelines stable for us…

[wheat coral]

Bruv got recruited xd

Also damn, MG chat is always popping compared to CoF

[jolly spire]

well, yeah
"go get it yourself" vs "just buy it"

[outer nacelle]

cof peasant hits 2k corruption https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fz3F96FERN4

[hazy elm]

its lightning DA 😢

[jolly trail]

Only 1700 HP at 2k? Are you getting 1 shot a lot

[finite charm]

Depends on EHP

based on armor, dodge, reflected damage, etc

[jolly spire]

or just the usual "don't get hit"

[finite charm]

Easier said than done lol

[outer nacelle]

nah im face tanking everything. i was using specifc orobys gear for that video, my mapping gear is completely different

it's ward on crit build, 30kish ward in maps, spikes to 60k on big density

[finite charm]

oh, yeah i've seen those builds

basically you just never stop attacking

playing in a party with someone running that build crushes your GFX... drops frames to like 40-60PFS 😂

and i'm on a 4090

[outer nacelle]

yeah it's brutal

unplayable sometimes. ok most of the time

[finite charm]

lol yep

except for the person actually running the build, everyone else is frame skipping

😱

[outer nacelle]

terribly optimised. i have a 4070ti but yeah a 4090 would be just about the same i think since the gpu power isn't the bottleneck

[calm axle]

so I have a question about prophecies. if I have one for gloves that says to kill a mono boss and I kill say, Formosis, would the prophecy have a chance to have the Frostbite Shackles that are a unique drop from him? I'm guessing probably not, right?

[outer nacelle]

yeah doesnt work with bosses unfortunately

[frozen urchin]

I don't see the use of soul gamblers fallacy here. Can't you explain it?

[outer nacelle]

sorry misunderstood. so soul gamblers and third eye are there to gain ward on crits, which is why i have crit chance everywhere. soul gamblers gives crit debuff, so with that debuff i still have 87% crit chance

[frozen urchin]

Oh, with such a crit chance the debuff doesnt matter, that makes sense, thanks

I figured you where wearing it for the ward on crit, but the halved crit rate didnt seem worth it ehe

[azure ice]

Prophecies only drop items from the global pool, boss items do not drop from prophecies

[azure token]

COF is so rough

unironically

for boss uniques

and slams

Thats my one issue, if the boss drops could be targetted on COF

but life is full of suffuering and that

[heady spear]

does corr even affect boss drops rate

[urban turtle]

According to this post in ask-the-devs, yes! - #👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs message

[frosty pelican]

"Hits 2000 corruption shade" more like obliterates lol what a wild build

And yea I've definitely noticed a huge increase in LP boss drop uniques as I push corruption, I'd be curious how the increase LP chance from corruption interacts with the double LP chance from Rank (6 iirc) CoF

[outer nacelle]

everything 'working as intended' 😅

failed all my slams tonight, 4 1/6s and 4 1/4s

rip.

[azure ice]

Busted a LP3 when the tier 7 didn’t carry over! Now I’m a lil nervous and waiting for better exalted before trying again, I have two relic LP3 left

[outer nacelle]

as long as they arent boss drops, they dont hurt too bad

bricking lp3 boss drops is soul crushing

[supple gyro]

Leveled my first 2 characters through MG. Leveled my most recent through CoF. I'm rank 9. I've been looking for a 3lp frozen ire and a -5 spellslinger sceptre for 2 weeks and havent found either. Running 350ish corruption. Is this what I can expect to go through for every piece I need?

[azure ice]

Rank 10 is a game changer. Which lenses are you using?

[supple gyro]

@azure ice 80% more cost, 90% more cost, and 20% increased chance per rank to find sceptres.

and why is 10 so huge? the way it reads its just gonna drop double of the useless stuff I keep getting

[jolly spire]

is this what i can expect
effectively, yes
MG vs CoF boils down to
"just buy it" vs "fine, i'll farm it myself"

[azure ice]

Your lenses look good, rank 10 will help as it doubles your rewards. So when the item drops that you want with LP you’ll have 2 of them. Unfortunately it’s hard for COF to have access to high LP items. Just keep on grinding and hope for the drop you want or a patch to buff COF

[supple gyro]

CoF seems like more fun but its hard to justify going this route when you have literally anything you want available in MG. It's just so expensive.

[azure ice]

Personally I like the feeling of earning my gear and you can still clear all content with COF. I’m sure you’re getting LP2 drops right ?

[jolly trail]

there's only a few decent exceptions to cof. endurance da marks is pretty easy to gear

i picked that since it didn't have any timeline boss loot

i really want to test 4player arena. i think you could hit a very high favor/hr without having to push your cor much

[supple gyro]

yeah I'm getting plenty 2 lp's but like I said I have not even found a single -5 mana scepter so I wouldn't really want to risk losing it on a 2 lp

[jolly trail]

some t7 are pretty rare

affix shard blessings might help. not worth running more than a couple of times

[azure ice]

Higher corruption would help too, I noticed around 680ish a big difference in drops with LP, could have just been random though

[supple gyro]

Yeah at 350 corruption I can clear the echos just easily enough but the shade becomes a problem.

@jolly trail Prefix shard or class specific?

[jolly trail]

the only one i saw is the prefix shard

spellslinger isn't a class one

you can also get increased scepter drops

what build are you running?

i started a on a weak mastery and swapping saved me a ton of time

[supple gyro]

Frostbite frostclaw rm

[jolly trail]

it's only about 5 hrs to get to empowered mono

not sure what you need for that build. it's one of the best tho

[supple gyro]

yeah im tearing through the content

[jolly trail]

if you get some ward im sure you can smoke these early cor

[supple gyro]

im at 350 corruption is i think is reasonably high

[azure ice]

Stay strong and don’t burn out. It’s also ok to take breaks or wait until next patch to start playing again

[jolly trail]

people take that build over 2k and clear well

idk how it compares to endurance da. the fact that you dont need any loot from timeline bosses is great

[supple gyro]

Yeah the only issue I'm running into right now is the shades. The echos themselves are pretty sleepwalkable at 350

[jolly trail]

on the op builds targeting the stuff that gets you more def usually works best

it could be one of those builds that doesn't work well if u dont have all the right uniques

im guessing you aren't generating much ward at all atm?

[supple gyro]

I'm getting over 15k. Not sure if that's alot

[jolly trail]

it should be a lot more than you need for 350c

whats your armor?

are you just running out of mana then u die?

[supple gyro]

Can I just link my entire build somehow?

[jolly trail]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/

yes just hit import on here

type in your account and name and it pulls it

[supple gyro]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/omXV1jkB

[oblique flax]

Runemaster, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Release / 1.0.6

Class:

Mage (20) / Sorcerer (21) / Runemaster (72)

General:

▸ Health: 1,079, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 173, Regen: 10/s
▸ Ward Retention: 459%, Regen: 13/s
▸ Attributes: 14 Str / 1 Dex / 52 Int / 1 Att / 1 Vit
▸ Resistances: 82% / 153% / 52% / 62% / 109% / 197% / 66%
▸ EHP: 1,361 / 1,361 / 1,106 / 1,316 / 1,361 / 1,361 / 1,248

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 216
▸ Armor Mitigation: 24% (998)

Damage Types:

▸ Cold, Fire, Lightning / Spell

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Frost Claw (21)
• Flame Rush (21)
• Flame Ward (21)
• Runic Invocation (21)
• Elemental Nova (25)

Used unique items:

• Crest of Unity
• Frozen Ire
• Vial of Volatile Ice
• Frostbite Shackles
• Strands of Souls
• Snowdrift
• Oceareon
• Twisted Heart of Uhkeiros

[supple gyro]

I do run out of mana fairly often

That's why I was prioritizing the scepter.

[jolly trail]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Q4PHlPgZ4s

idk much about frostclaw. not sure what all you need

FS is hitting 57% mitigation with armor thats pretty big over yours

[echo mirage]

when I was having trouble with bosses, I put on some critical strike avoidance and it helped a lot

[jolly trail]

yeah you're at 48% reduced

[echo mirage]

nah not that, hes at 0% avoidance

[jolly trail]

if u click the def tab you can see it

looks like 48% comes from passive

[echo mirage]

one above reduction is what he needs

[jolly trail]

either one caps u

since hes got some on passive tree it's easier to cap the reduction

[echo mirage]

there's a mono blessing for avoidance lol

[jolly trail]

+20 all res is solid as well

its a no brainer when you are half way there from passives

[echo mirage]

the only place he can slap it on without slamming is his chest though

[jolly trail]

not really sure which build that is exactly. FS is quite a bit different gear wise

i dont think freeze scales into cor well. i see a ton of that on your gear

[supple gyro]

Im using the maxroll guide if it helps

[azure ice]

I haven’t played frost claw but apparently this version can get to 1k corruption with no legendary items. https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/B52GpYgo maybe get better gear and then try the maxroll one again

[oblique flax]

Runemaster, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Release / 1.0.4

Class:

Mage (20) / Sorcerer (26) / Runemaster (67)

General:

▸ Health: 1,114, Regen: 34/s
▸ Mana: 255, Regen: 15/s
▸ Ward Retention: 399%, Regen: 25/s
▸ Attributes: 24 Str / 11 Dex / 103 Int / 1 Att / 1 Vit
▸ Resistances: 70% / 62% / 70% / 72% / 47% / 70% / 30%
▸ EHP: 1,880 / 1,755 / 1,880 / 2,321 / 1,428 / 1,739 / 1,261

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 223
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (44)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 50% (3,179)

Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Cold, Lightning / Spell

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Elemental Nova (25)
• Frost Claw (23)
• Flame Rush (22)
• Runic Invocation (25)
• Flame Ward (22)

Used unique items:

• Prismatic Gaze
• Unstable Core
• Mad Alchemist's Ladle
• Fragment of the Enigma
• Blood of the Exile
• Ferebor's Persistence
• Twisted Heart of Uhkeiros

This build has a guide:

1K Corruption Zero Legendary Frost Claw - Best Budget Build! | LE 1.0 by FrozenSentinel

[graceful geyser]

Is the reward from the COF a minimum bar?

What I mean is I've bought a couple Weaver's Will rewards (16 WW), but I've been dropping 17's, 18's, etc. while progressing the prophecy.

And if so, does that mean that the LP rewards from COF are worth buying even if their price is astronomical for a better chance at LP2+? Or should I just keep going for "value" and shoot wide with multiple unique rewards instead?

Thanks!

[hallow plume]

correct, so how lp works is the base item drops it does an internal roll to determine if it gets 1lp and if it succeeds it does another roll to determine if it gets 2 lp so on and so forth so all it does is skip that first roll

[hallow plume]

there not worth buying however due to the amount you spend vs how many items you get isn't worth it

lp rarity is the thing to consider how important skipping that first roll is in the item you're trying to farm and there aren't any items that justify that cost.

[graceful geyser]

Appreciate the reply 🙂

[hallow plume]

np friend!

[lime creek]

Is there a way to gain more favor?

[jolly trail]

ive been interested in game testing it lately. builds like mine don't need timeline boss loot so im able to look for better farms

[jolly trail]

https://imgur.com/5ykXI6s

only 15min tests of just killing stuff and resetting before finishing the mono

trying to find ones that are consistently higher favor

if i just timeline like normal i feel like 70k/hr is about what id get at 879

[lime creek]

Okay, wasn't sure if there was a blessing or something you could take.

[jolly trail]

yeah the blessing does help

the xp blessing

[lime creek]

Waht blesssing?

😮

[azure ice]

yeah the XP blessing from fall of the outcasts

[lime creek]

Thought that was strictly for xp gain only.

[jolly trail]

if you can't push your cor higher you could try doing some reset farming

i wanted to kill only crabs but the enemies/obj change when u reset

the crab maps have a ton of enemies

[lime creek]

I thought that blessing was for character level xp only.. Lol

Now I gotta go to that timeline to get that blessing.

[jolly trail]

whats your cor now?\

[lime creek]

600

[jolly trail]

what do you think you can do in your current gear?

[lime creek]

idk. I think 800-1000 maybe

[jolly spire]

favor gain is based on your xp gain

[jolly trail]

I want to test a few more maps and solo arena. I think with how kills force spawns in arena you could really get some crazy favor on the right map with 4 players.

I need to test if you do get favor from kills at the other spawn pts. That could make or break it.

Only 2 or 3 arena maps are small

With 4 DA marks on each spawn point the explosions would kill whole packs as soon as they spawned. I think it's possible to hyper spawn them to get 500k favor/hr 1k cor

It might be so crazy that it's hard to not complete it

i just tested to see how much favor i got from 1 arena. 3,178. hyperspawning would have to make each run 30s to hit 381k favor/hr. with loading and getting back in position i doubt you could do better than 1m per arena. 190k favor/hr which is better than anything else ive tried but not as much as i was hoping

[azure ice]

Do you think that number will increase with more players?

[jolly trail]

which number?

[azure ice]

spawns and favoir

[jolly trail]

i actually dont know if the xp changes.

the concept of hyperspawning is the amount of time it takes to clear arena scales with ttk

for 30s runs you would have to kill the arena in about 10-15sec

DA marks might be able to pull that off since the ttk is so good

1DA should kill a non-elite pack. probably only a few to kill elites

[azure ice]

still good to know that arena farming could potential be very viable

for farming favor

[jolly trail]

ive tried to get people to test it and never find anyone so i dont know how viable it can be. maybe more so when the season is fresh. people might actually look for it if it's proven to be really strong.

one thing ive noticed is the maps tend to load much faster if you keep repeating it

4 geared DA marks could do it at 2k even. really see some crazy favor/hr

[azure ice]

omg that sounds insane lol

[jolly trail]

in wow for the aq40 gates we camped hyperspawns. you could put 3 rogues on every point and each auto attack killed something

at those speeds its pretty crazy to see. can't find anything on youtube showing it.