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[native isle]

I remember raxx from Diablo3... I don't watch his videos.

[jolly trail]

im looking at raxx build vc matts. i think matts is much better

[native isle]

I'm following matts

matts offhand dagger has the armor shred

[jolly trail]

matts newer one with t7 hybrid hp is nice. u really dont need to slam all dps

[smoky wigeon]

slow there my boy, let's not go that route 😂

[jolly trail]

matts builds are never crit avoid cap which ive yet to see any explaination on

id personally go with matts

[native isle]

you don't need crit avoid if you have full crit reduction

[jolly trail]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9vN5TXsQek&t=23s

[jolly trail]

matts builds aren't capped on either tho

[smoky wigeon]

he is indeed the Generously Overthinking About Trivialities kind of guy

[native isle]

no, but I'd also swap the t7 priority on the boots to be crit damage reduction instead of movespeed

[jolly trail]

im aiming for the 2500 build with 2x red rings

[native isle]

I'd rather have T7 crit reduction and T5 movespeed than the other way around

with a T7 and a T5 crit reduction on gear, you're at, what, 80% crit reduction?

[jolly trail]

yeah he's posted like 9 builds with 60% crit dmg reduction

[native isle]

my current gear is at 94% crit reduction, but it's all going to be replaced

[jolly trail]

can't figure out why it's not capped

im using crit avoidance blessing and 1 crit avoidance

[native isle]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

builds are just suggestions, anyways

recommendations, not to be taken as gospel truth

[jolly trail]

on cof it's doable. just go for them after u get daggers

[smoky wigeon]

believe it is 95% reroll random drop, or was it 98?

[native isle]

I've been farming for the damned red rings this entire character's mono life

nothing yet

[jolly trail]

u will have to bomb favor into but wait until r10

just spend favor on what ever u want until r10

[native isle]

but! I just got lucky - 14 unique rings on Heorot kill (my farming timeline)

0/2

let's see what drops

[jolly trail]

i got 1 red ring using runes but i wish i did all ring proph

runes aren't worth it

[native isle]

hah, rings are everywhere

this is why I like CoF

[jolly trail]

just doing runes is a huge pita

feel like a garbage man

[native isle]

oof, nothing good dropped

a single LP3, an aberrant seer

[jolly trail]

id recommend pushing cor up on the blood frost death incase u do want the LL stuff

push cor up before getting your blessings

in really bad gear u can do 400 easy

[solid seal]

been doing ring prophs for oceareons, 4 LP0, 1 LP1 out of 924 for red rings

[jolly trail]

u really need to grind the r10

[native isle]

I've probably used 150 runes and no red ring yet

[jolly trail]

im surprised you're not r10 having done that many

[solid seal]

I'm rank 10, i'm not counting duplicates

[jolly trail]

ive done around 600 rings have 1

[smoky wigeon]

item is really shet, sadly because it's poison related, but with low level requirement and high LP you can create a nice alt leveling ring

[smoky wigeon]

i believe it's around 1 in 1000 with runes of ascendance

[jolly trail]

600 rings is only approx 200k favor which isn't much when you push your cor up

runes are a huge pita and really only red ring is somewhat worth it since u aren't likely to get lp1 doing ring proph

[native isle]

oh hey, just got an LP2 jelkhors with 61 melee damage

[solid seal]

proph or asc?

[native isle]

random drop

[solid seal]

that'll work too

[jolly trail]

ive done 600 runes and maybe 300 proph

[native isle]

no CoF marker

[jolly trail]

ring count ^

[smoky wigeon]

trade it to the guy that needs one haha

[jolly trail]

im still pushing my cor up easily and around 700 now. favor per hour is pretty good

marks is def one of the best cof builds atm

[native isle]

time to add a slam dagger rule to my filter

I wouldn't trade it even if I could, I need it

I'm running LP1 unslammed daggers right now

it's a dungeon

[lucid pawn]

Dungeon. Fire/necrotic dmg mobs

[native isle]

I might start believing a new conspiracy theory based solely on my own limited observations

third gold reward echo I've had today where the shrines were mostly gold shrines

[smoky wigeon]

send me an excel file with your observations 😂

[native isle]

I'm not going to bother writing anything down

can't be a conspiracy theory if I did that

[solid seal]

my gut says this is correct, you should definitely create a spreadsheet

[lucid pawn]

Im gonna rage... another 12 unique glove proph. 1 pair of hubris, 0 LP again. Rest of gloves all had 1-2

[lucid pawn]

aaaand again. 12 more, no hubris... common my butt

[smoky wigeon]

unlucky 😦
I had yesterday the first rainbow edge drop ever, and it's a common weapon, it's not like i need it, it even looks like a horrible a*s weapon, but maybe with 4 lp on a nova mage build it could get interesting, on the other side I get 70-90% reroll drops multiple times each session, but often not what I am looking for 😢

[safe sparrow]

so all you CoF users, how long did it take you to find the ideal t7 affix drop for your toon? Been tryna find a +4, or +3 frost claw relic to no avail

[lucid pawn]

Still havent seen a single t7 cthonic fissure. Lvl 100 lol

[frozen urchin]

I'm 13 and what is this

[smoky wigeon]

damn this guy can just post these kind of links, and we still lacking the possibility to react to messages

oh well guess he got banned haha

[sharp chasm]

Damn CoF can be really demotivating sometimes, getting the same sh1t you don't need over and over again. Would have made a fortune in MG by now probably 😄
Like CoF is hard mode for this game for sure.

[nova mountain]

Hello can u drop items from soul gambler with prophecies or ascendance?

[lucid pawn]

Tell me about it.. hubris gloves, i need them 2LP. I do non stop 12 x unique glove prophs and see 99% other gloves with LP and no Hubris even tho its supposedly common

[foggy shell]

If your build REQUIRES 2lp with specific slams...well you either need to start to love the grind or go to MG. Because i swear once they drop you still gonna have a high risk of failing the slams.

[lucid pawn]

I want 2LP min cos of the life/ward experimental chance

50% much better than 25% lol

[foggy shell]

Sure, but you will probably get alot more 1lp gloves you could have slammed in the same time. It's not like experimental suffixes are that rare, unless you're needing to slam T6/T7 experimental mod. In which case...well GL, but yeah.

[lucid pawn]

Good joke.. ive done dozens of 12 x unique glove prophs and only seen a handful of Hubris, maybe 3-4 with 1 LP rest with none

The glove pool is flooded

[foggy shell]

Yes i don't see a problem there, you got 3-4 of them with 1lp.

[lucid pawn]

Out of maybe 70-80 pairs of gloves.. zzz

[foggy shell]

IDK what build you're running but maybe you should check your expectations for what your doing and trying to achieve in CoF.

Sure you can make godly stuff, and sure you can get some crazy LP items like stupid youtubers prance around, but that's not the norm, at least without exceptional grind.

[lucid pawn]

Yeh true.. i just hate the way trading is in this game. PoE, D2 or go home imo.

[foggy shell]

If you're not even having remotely fun, then you should stop, and change what you're doing.

[lucid pawn]

I am having fun, its a very fun game. I love the hunt. A good vent sesh is neccesary for me sometimes lol

[little coral]

still cant even find a lp4 jelkors after 300 hours

feels bad man

[sturdy pond]

I haven't found a single 4LP unique in 300 hours

[elder torrent]

i did , a bleeding heart ! haha i win!

and what ive won is depression! yey me!

or the plethora of 3lp low lvl items that arent even buildenabling/helping

but you can make some kickass twink gear, so i dunno man its not all that bleak

if you naturally focus on just one slot / item , you are going to be salty

im captain obvious btw trying to preach

[livid spruce]

Yeah, 4 LP is super rare, even with the doubled drop rate you can get - totally normal to not see any for a long time

[crystal sigil]

Not sure which is worse, never seeing a 4lp, or seeing a 4lp and it is on an absolutely terrible item with 0 use.

[stable hamlet]

4lp ring of the third eye

[jolly trail]

i got the boxing gloves

[stable hamlet]

pain

[jolly trail]

ive only gotten 1 item that's "rare" tier so far for my build

[shrewd niche]

Anyone else finding ring prophecies in the armor telescope?

Happens to me every like 20 rerolls or so

[native isle]

I got an LP4 gloves that make you take more melee damage

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[vivid ridge]

based

[whole nacelle]

can dungeon boss drops come out of prophecies?

[jolly trail]

No boss drops are modified by anything in cof except for the increase in lp

[whole nacelle]

bummer

[golden roost]

Am I able to be teleported to CoF or do I have to bum rush campaign to get there?

[native isle]

You could try getting an Uber there

[jolly trail]

very much so. im hoping they address this next season. its a pretty big letdown after you get started in cof

rank 1 and blessings read like they could help you but they dont

[dusty sapphire]

anyone got devotion? id trade any other uniques i got other types of amulet too

[hallow plume]

i have a 3lp

[hazy elm]

how are u gonna trade cof items????

they arent tradable by default even if no cof tag

u can only gift but then u need to play with the person for lik 6-8 hours on avarage

[hallow plume]

i assume that's what he is planning to do

[smoky wigeon]

you trading it for an orian's eye? 😂

[dusty sapphire]

im new sorry

but i got some uniques

i joined the mg and buy it its all good

[hazy elm]

Its just u are talking in cof channel...cof people cant use mg items and mg people cant use cof items

[native isle]

Are items bought in the bazaar tagged MG?

[hazy elm]

Scam alert!

🤣

[hazy elm]

All items that has been traded in any way are tagged as mg

[jolly trail]

yes. they can be gifted. you can't wear them tho.

[smoky wigeon]

nooooooooo waaaaaaaaaay, i even give him all my devotions for one, sounds like a sweet deal hehe

[hazy elm]

😏

[smoky wigeon]

you could try using an ascendance rune on an amulet.
You have a chance of around 8,6% to get devotion (common)

[dusty sapphire]

i did, i used 2 runes and did a prophecy got 3 amulets and 5 of these none of them was it

[native isle]

oh boy, just wait until you try to get a red ring

I've easily dropped hundreds of unique rings by now

last night I think I dropped 56 (14 x4)

[smoky wigeon]

don't worry to much about it, it's a super common drop, and you will be even mad how often they are gonna drop in no time

[jolly trail]

400k should be enough to get you two on the ring prophs. It's not too bad really. So many less hours than many boss uniques.

[native isle]

oof, 400k favor...

I'm not even at 300 corruption yet on my farming timeline

[jolly trail]

What build are you playing

[native isle]

mattj's melee detonating arrow

[jolly trail]

Focus your c pushing over other stuff.

You will have solid favor soon.

[native isle]

that's what I'm doing

it's still dog slow

[jolly trail]

400k isn't bad too farm

Yeah c pushing is slow

The red rings are way faster to get then the LA stuff

[native isle]

LA?

[jolly trail]

Lightless arbor

[native isle]

oh

I mean, once you can reliably kill the titan on tier 4, it ought to be easy

[jolly trail]

my estimates are 8 hours for 1slam. so about 32 hours for 4 slams vs 5 hours for 400k favor

[native isle]

uhhhh

your math doesn't work with the difference in droprates between 1LP and 4LP red rings

[jolly trail]

400k favor to get any red ring

you can't bank on a 1lp

[native isle]

oh, I see what you meant

8 hours to get, what, a 2LP?

[jolly trail]

32 hours will get you lp3 helm, lp1 chest, and lp2 boots

doesn't really factor in low rolls on implicits tho

[native isle]

god that puts into sharp perspective what a timesink trying for the right end-game gear is

[jolly trail]

they matter a ton for the LA pieces

yeah and i think this is probably one of the easiest builds

there's no timeline boss to target so all the timeline boss loot is pretty much dead. i just do the blood frost one incase i want ll stuff

to get 4 of the LP2 frostbites i estimated 132 hours lol

the hp build is def easier to gear since LA knocks out so much

[jolly trail]

yeah i really want to get a big data dump of the stats and i can estimate all the uniques from proph/runes/bosses in a similar manner. even account for earning multiple pieces at once

[native isle]

there's already LastEpochTools

and that other site

lastepoch.tunklab.com

[jolly trail]

id have to scrap it off the site. it's not available in api or anything i asked them

im not sure how boss drops are calced either. most of the sites just say "rare" drop rate on a timeline boss

[native isle]

funnily enough, back when I played Grim Dawn, I also tried to get the guy (same guy made grimdawntools) to let me access his API so I could build character files specifically for testing builds

[jolly trail]

the rune sheet has drop rates that should be the same for proph but im not sure on the timeline bosses. the dungeon bosses have % listed

[dusty sapphire]

should i buy devotion i can rn from merchants guild or should i use rune of ascendance?

[native isle]

wrong channel to ask

[keen epoch]

There have been multiple tools that can do this for like 8 years now 😂

[native isle]

you misunderstood me

I don't mean a simple character editor

I mean create a character file whole from scratch given a build

[keen epoch]

I used to just use grimdawnstash to make new characters and spawn in all the items it needed to try new things

[native isle]

that would include all the waypoints, quest 💩 done, etc

[keen epoch]

Yeah it would do that

They were just check boxes

[native isle]

yes, but that interface isn't anywhere near as nice as grimdawntools

[keen epoch]

True

[native isle]

you do build planning in grimdawntools

I wanted to be able to access the guy's site API to grab all that data and bypass the manual process of modifying a character file

I have a lot of experience with software and programming

especially game-related tools

[solid seal]

That prophecy rewards "Unique (1 Legendary Potential)". You can get any unique item from it, not just rings. Several prophecies will reuse icons for different reward types.

• Ring icon - "Ring", "Jewelry", "Unique (1 Legendary Potential)" rewards,
• Body Armour icon - "Body Armour", "Armour", "Body Armour (1 Legendary Potential)", "Armour (1 Legendary Potential)", and "Armour (X Weaver's Will)" rewards,
• Bow icon - "Bow", "Ranged Weapon", "Ranged Weapon (1 Legendary Potential)" rewards,
• Staff icon - "Two-Handed Staff", "Caster Weapon", and "Caster Weapon (1 Legendary Potential)" rewards,
• Sword icon - "One-Handed Sword", "Two-Handed Sword", "Weapon", "Melee Weapon", "Weapon (1 Legendary Potential)", "Melee Weapon (1 Legendary Potential)" rewards

[dire warren]

Anybody have a pair of Foot of the Mountain boots or the Core of the Mountain Chest that they could gift or trade? Having a hell of a time getting them to drop

[jolly trail]

to gift anything u need a resonance

for LP1+ you need an obisidian reso

[solid seal]

The only boss drop that can come from prophecies is Ravenous Void (gloves) as it is flagged to also randomly drop (at a much worse drop chance). Prophecy rewards pull from the random drop pool. https://www.lastepochtools.com/checklist/uniques/random

[jolly trail]

might get one after 12 hours with someone

[dire warren]

Not concerned with LP right now, and I know you need a Resonance, just takes partying up a bit

[dire warren]

I've dropped an Obsidian with someone after an hour and a half

[jolly trail]

LFG for LA will get you those items much faster

people will gift u bad versions

[dire warren]

If that were the case, I wouldn't be asking here

Didn't think it would hurt to try, thanks anyway

[jolly trail]

that's def not repeatable. unless u were getting boosted 3k or something

[dire warren]

Idk, but I'd be more than content without LP on either right now

[jolly trail]

i can do like 5 LA now if u want

i still need boots/chest

i dont need chest 0 and boot 1

[solid seal]

Foot of the Mountain has drop chances of 0/20/35/45%, so you need to be doing Tier 2+ dungeons to see it. Core of the Mountain has drop chances of 0/0/0/12%, so you need to be doing Tier 4 dungeons to see it.

[dire warren]

I am well aware lol but thank you

[dire warren]

You wouldn't mind?

[jolly trail]

send inv to bross8989

i have a lp0 chest too on the off chance a golden drops

[native isle]

it's really a shame that there aren't any incentives for people to party up to play together

[frail hare]

having a good time with a friend is a pretty good incentive

the problem is that multiplayer is disincentivised

you dont get mono progress and the loading screens in monoliths are aweful

[native isle]

that's exactly what I'm talking about

all needs to be fixed and then party handling updated to give people a reason to play together

[frail hare]

i dont understand why there needs to be a loading screen at all anyway when a party member clicks on an echo. why is that? i thought the island with the chest/merchant etc is the same instance, which is why the items persist and stuff. so why is there a loading screen?

[native isle]

you know, I just noticed that the idle animation at character select is making my rogue do some weird undulation

[shrewd niche]

This doesnt make sense though because the ring icon is now specifically for rings and also there is a jewlery telescope...

[native isle]

the chest piece is scrunching up quite oddly

[whole nacelle]

thanks for that info!

[livid spruce]

Yeah, this is all the incentive that should exist. It's not right now though, it's pros and cons. Grouping up makes things easier and allows gifting. Not grouping up lets everyone scale their own corruption and be less buggy lol.

[solid seal]

From the armour telescope - https://imgur.com/JZyfVge
From the patch notes - https://imgur.com/Be51eMs

If you want to play 3-card monte, which one on the following Accessories telescope gives a ring reward? https://imgur.com/pJM7bdc
Answer: https://imgur.com/a/DX2srI5

[native isle]

I completely disagree - "having fun with friends" should not be the only incentive when the group is actively penalized by enemies becoming harder to kill

[livid spruce]

They become easier though...

[native isle]

only if your party sticks next to each other

regardless, players working together to get through harder content should also directly reward them for doing so

[solid seal]

"harder content"?

[native isle]

higher tier dungeons, pushing higher corruption echos

etc.

pinnacle bosses when we get them

[livid spruce]

Yeah, that's how the game is now

[shrewd niche]

Your first screenshot, shouldn't that icon be replaced with the new icon and it wouldn't be a ring/amulet since it is from the armor telescope?

[native isle]

it's not at all

[solid seal]

The patch only applied to the icons we see in monoliths. It did nothing for CoF telescopes/constellations. Look at the 2nd screenshot carefully. I highlighted the key words.

[shrewd niche]

Yes i already read that. This is clearly an oversite from EHG and they more than likely do not know that this icon exists in the armor telescope.

It is the same exact issue they patched in the monoliths.

[crystal sigil]

EHG doesn't care about us or our icons.

[shrewd niche]

Your screenshot i think proved my point.

[livid spruce]

You just explained how it is. You think players working together to get through harder content should be rewarded, right? Understanding that the party sticking together makes things easier, and synergizing builds makes things even easier on top of that, implies you get direct benefit for working together.

[solid seal]

If it was an oversight and they are unaware, why would it change? They specifically said "in monoliths" and we can see it in game (https://imgur.com/f6F4Ugk), prophecies remain unchanged.

[native isle]

"direct benefit" != rewarded by the game

[livid spruce]

Huh?

[shrewd niche]

I am saying they are unaware and probably thought that it would change in both spaces... It is THE SAME EXACT ISSUE... why would they fix it in one place and not the other? Makes zero sense and your screenshots are proving my point.

Saying they specifically only changed it in monoliths and not everywhere makes literally no sense.

[native isle]

no, he's saying the patch notes are to be taken literally

[solid seal]

"why would they not fix it in one place and not the other?" because "they are unaware"

[native isle]

they specifically said they were fixing the "in monoliths" icons

assuming that meant they were fixing it elsewhere is on you

[shrewd niche]

So they have the same issue in two spaces, if you even want to call it that, they patch it in one area, but leave it in the other. You think this was a concious decision on their part?

I would love to know the logic on leaving it in if it is.

[native isle]

conscious decision to fix it in one spot, yes

[shrewd niche]

Why

[native isle]

unaware that there was similar confusion in another

file a bug report

see what their response is

[solid seal]

As far as my screenshots are concerned, the Ring icon on the prophecy rewards for the armour telescope clearly shows "Unique (1 Legendary Potential)". The Ring icon on the Accessories telescope are used by ring and jewelry rewards. The "Unique Item" and "Set Item" echo reward icons were the only things changed. https://imgur.com/a/IftMmF9

[shrewd niche]

Okay so tell me this, the ring icon on the armor telescope, is that a ring reward or a unique item reward?

If it is not a ring then it is the SAME EXACT GOD DAMN PROBLEM lol

This isnt complicated

[native isle]

then report it

jesus

[shrewd niche]

Yes i will. I just can't stand people who are this dense

[native isle]

.... self-reflect much?

nobody was telling you that the problem that was fixed in monolith iconography didn't exist elsewhere

[shrewd niche]

Yeah my bad, i should enjoy having to repeat myself

[solid seal]

The ring icon in the armor telescopes is a prophecy that will reward ANY UNIQUE with 1+LP

[native isle]

you should instead enjoy critically reading

[shrewd niche]

So this is the same issue, thanks for agreeing with me

[solid seal]

I don't care if its the same issue. The patch notes do not address it.

The patch did not fix this specific issue

[native isle]

and it wasn't meant to

[shrewd niche]

I understand that... i am saying that they patched it in monoliths only and for some reason this icon is a different icon than the monolith one but it is having the same problem

does what i said make sense to you

[native isle]

this is you misreading the patch notes

[solid seal]

this is what you original stated. This is wrong. There are no ring prophecies in the armor telescope. There is a prophecy that rewards any unique item that uses the ring icon.

[native isle]

and coming to the conclusion that the issue of misleading iconography was addressed everywhere

[shrewd niche]

Correct. And so it should USE THE NEW UNIQUE ITEM ICON

[solid seal]

why?

[shrewd niche]

Okay goodbye lol

holy jesus

[solid seal]

bye felicia.

[native isle]

what's the point of the Cuckoo off-hand?

[solid seal]

gamble for a godroll exalted item

[native isle]

does it have better odds than any other source of exalted drop?

I mean, it strikes me more as a troll item

like, at some point, somebody made a sarcastic comment about how exalted farming is so bad, they should have a unique that makes it easier

and a dev created the cuckoo to mock them for it

[livid spruce]

It's an exclusive basetype

[solid seal]

it becomes a random exalt with higher forging potential than normal and a bias toward higher rolls (tiers maybe too?). The resulting item also keeps the Cuckoo's implicits

[livid spruce]

pretty niche of course, since it doesn't have crit implicits, but move speed is king if you can slot it

[native isle]

well then, that's kind of interesting

[white narwhal]

Hi guys, do rank 10 affects ongoing prophecies or just the next i unlock?

[solid seal]

Rank 10 is applied when the event progresses and the rewards drop to the ground.

[white narwhal]

thanks, finally rank10, took a month 😄

[native isle]

well, got a core of the mountain... no LP

and all the affixes rolled near bottom

yaaayyy

welp, I understand why nobody runs lightless arbor unless they have to

the boss can drop nothing, this sucks

[foggy shell]

Nothing at all sounds like filter issue IMO

[native isle]

well, some garbage dropped

he didn't drop anything that was exclusive to him

[smoky wigeon]

ye had that a couple times on soulfire bastion too

[native isle]

feels bad, man

and for the record, ice bats are the biggest threats in the game

little buggers hit way too hard

[smoky wigeon]

ye there are some mobs that get a little annoying with time

[crystal flame]

if I wanna farm Peak of The Mountain, what tier is the best to do it at? Could it be tier 3 as to lower the rarest drops? or does that not matter?

[smoky wigeon]

if you wan't peak of the mountain you probably want to do t1 or t2

first of all it's easier than t3/t4, you can do more per hour and if a boss unique drops you are pretty much guaranteed to get the helmet (at least in t1), t2 has the boots too

i personally would run t3 though, can't be too bad to get the boots and the shield from time to time with the possibility of LP

[solid seal]

drop chances per tier are 45/47/48/50%. Each item that drops from the boss is individually rolled, so you could get no items, one item, all items, or some combination of items.

[crystal flame]

alright Im fine with spamming either

@solid seal thank you. thats the exact answer I was looking for

[smoky wigeon]

if it doesn't matter for you just run t4

[crystal flame]

Im a little bit squishy for t4 still

[smoky wigeon]

t3 then 😂

[solid seal]

if you do t4 daily mod is 7% increased chance for exalted relics right now. Switches to exalted rings in 30 minutes

[smoky wigeon]

that's the t4 one

[solid seal]

yea

[smoky wigeon]

idols for t3 in 30min
runes for t2 in 30min

[crystal flame]

wait I dont understand what you just said. What are daily mods?

related to the chest at the end?

[smoky wigeon]

on boss kill

[crystal flame]

I see. The boss gets special modifiers to additional loot drops that rotates?

[smoky wigeon]

just got mourningfrost LP2, well if I only had a build for that haha

[smoky wigeon]

ye daily rotation boss kill rewards, each different for each tier except t1, t1 has no "bonus"

[crystal flame]

gotcha - thats cool. had no idea

[opal trail]

For Prophecies when it say (14 corruption) does it have be 14 exactly

[smoky wigeon]

nope, only a minimum requirement of 14

[opal trail]

ok

[native isle]

... second lightless arbor in a row, boss dropped none of his specific gear

[smoky wigeon]

just ran him twice and got a LP1 face of the mountain

now i am bored haha

[jolly panther]

can someone help me kill these last 2 mono bosses on the legacy side. its driving me nuts.

[smoky wigeon]

sure

[jolly panther]

In game name: Fozy-_-

stablity is good just need them to go boom

@smoky wigeon just add me im good to go

[keen epoch]

Lmfaoooooo

Gotta be a troll post right

[smoky wigeon]

did

[native isle]

what the hell is the point of running t4 if the boss won't drop his stuff?

this is seriously frustrating

[keen epoch]

Brother I beg you to switch to trade

Solo self found is not for you

[jolly panther]

whats yours i didnt get it

[keen epoch]

Its like a 55% drop rate

You’re 0/2 and complaining already

[native isle]

I'm too invested in CoF

0/2?

[smoky wigeon]

ahh i see you but i missread it, you are in legacy

[keen epoch]

You just said second time

[smoky wigeon]

i only have cycle chars

[jolly panther]

yes i am lol

[native isle]

second time in a row, not only twice ever

[smoky wigeon]

mb mate

[jolly panther]

dang lol this is what i get for starting a legacy lol i needed a new stash the bazarr killed my OCD

[smoky wigeon]

but dang, you are 88 and can't kill the bosses, what's going on hahah

[native isle]

good luck finding someone with a legacy character

[jolly panther]

anyone free for like 5 min on LEgacy side?

im doing marksmin build and it needs end game items to work

[native isle]

literally no reason in the first cycle immediately after release to start a legacy character

[jolly panther]

so im struggling not being able to just buy the rolls i need

[smoky wigeon]

ah shet

[jolly panther]

@civic plume i have like 5 lvl 100's and over a billion in gold i need a fresh start

[full canopy]

can i get rune of creation from prophecies?

[smoky wigeon]

how is the legacy economy? i'd say it's horrible

[jolly panther]

havenmt even looked at the market tbh

the bazzar is broken from gold sellers so i swithched got tired of having to buy 2 lp items for 800million

[smoky wigeon]

800m tf?!

[jolly panther]

yes its crazy

1lp Baston is like 500 mill

[smoky wigeon]

i mean... 4 LP maybe but hell no for 2

[jolly panther]

0lp red ring 60million 1lp red ring 1.5 bill

[smoky wigeon]

i mean 1lp red ring should cost around 20 more than 0lp
but 60m is still hefty

[jolly panther]

i think max gold cap is like 1.5bill 1 item shouldnt even cost a quarter of that

[full canopy]

the answer is yes btw

[smoky wigeon]

sweet info 👍

[full canopy]

i just got 2

[smoky wigeon]

ravenous void LP4 would be the most expensive item by far, our sun will explode before anyone gets it

[native isle]

gold cap is 32bit signed integer value, 2^31

[jolly panther]

i will if i ever get passed these last two bosses lol

[native isle]

2.1bil

[smoky wigeon]

hahaha even if they would crank it up by like +10000% rarity find nobody would get it, it's just crazy

[full canopy]

i think even though its the rarest item red ring will be more expensive bc of builds using it

[smoky wigeon]

sounds pretty low to me, as a cap i mean

[native isle]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[full canopy]

or time glass

[native isle]

wasn't my idea to store the gold value as an int

devs clearly didn't think people would get up to a billion gold

[smoky wigeon]

ban them bots

[native isle]

good luck with that

[livid spruce]

4 LP wings is actually MUCH rarer

for some reason

[tidal trellis]

I picked up a prophecy and it didn't roll a constellation after, is this a bug or a feature? Like does it just not roll you a constellation after taking too many of the same prophecies or. Doesn't seem the be a visual bug, all the other constellations are fine and even going out of the telescope doesnt change it.

Seemed to have been a bug, I restarted the game, it refunded my last bought prophecy and rerolled the constellation.

[sturdy roost]

Do you get 2 rep per 1 favor spent on prophecies?

[misty flame]

CoF need something to buff drop rate based on playerbase in CoF

such as a CoF member in CoF buff 5%

this is the Global drop rate shared i CoF

This is a must

When you compared to MG

[hazy elm]

lmfao how do u price it then if not 500 mil?

u realize that its a gg item, which also one of the most rare items in the game, that also has low lp chance??

if it doesnt cost 500 mil idk what else will

[misty flame]

Repeat some pattern Endgame gameplay with never drop the items that you want, So boring now

I just target a T6 /T7 affix, But never drop to me

I Just target a set item, farm 16 times with a boss, never get it

so painful gameplay

I delete all my char yesterday,and no join any factions

worst faction design

[sullen sandal]

Agree, drop rate is too low. if no T7 is my fortune, then i should quit as well

3 characters, none of them can graduate from my ideal build.

[misty flame]

Drop rate need based on playerbase in CoF

[sullen sandal]

400 hrs in the game already. 1000 mil

[misty flame]

Cof is no meaningful for solo player

I hate the market

Why I need to join faction

with the lock of items

[smoky wigeon]

true, it's freaking rare too, crazy actually 😂

[smoky wigeon]

i am thinking about a kind of hybrid faction design, where you can put points into factions to focus on merchants guild and cof at the same time, they need to change something for sure

[outer hornet]

Did CoF get nerfed?

my Refracting Lense of Wealth is not doubling my prophecy rewards it just shows 4x unique rings instead of 8x

4,5k points is the same as 13k points only showing 4x of the unique item

[smoky wigeon]

isn't 4 normal for 1 lens?

[outer hornet]

no

before it was showing 8x or more

[smoky wigeon]

i use the lens for double rewards and double uses and also get 4

i mean sometimes you get more uniques depending on the price and usage of the prophecy

[outer hornet]

the Refracting lense of Rhyme is working as it should with more uses but not the lense of wealth

right but i just said that 4,5k points is the same as 13k points from what its showing me both only offering 4x

[smoky wigeon]

1 sec let me check quickly

[outer hornet]

i msged you a picture of what i screen shot

as you can see the price goes up but it stays at 4x on both 4,5k and 13k

[smoky wigeon]

ye but you have more uses

[outer hornet]

thats from the other lense

[smoky wigeon]

on one you have 2 uses and on the other 6

[outer hornet]

refracting lense of Rhyme

[smoky wigeon]

i mean it makes sense to me tbh

4x uniques (2x uses) for 4,5k
4x uniques (6 uses) for 13k

[outer hornet]

ok so refracting lens of rhyme= more uses, refracting lense of wealth doubles the reward

so the 4x should double up to 8x

[smoky wigeon]

ye rhyme doubles your uses

[outer hornet]

when using refracting lense of wealth

[smoky wigeon]

it already did double

[outer hornet]

no it didnt

[smoky wigeon]

it was 2 earlier

[outer hornet]

that doesnt make sense cause the 4,5k should be 2x instead of 4x

[smoky wigeon]

mhm did you apply it and it maybe didn't refresh properly?

[outer hornet]

yeah i removed them then re installed them into the slots

it stayed the same after rerolling

im thinking its a bug

unless they nerfed it....

i put in a bug report just in case

[smoky wigeon]

i mean it probably is because you also have the 10th prophecy reward and it should be 8 for you

[outer hornet]

i was getting about 16x rings

in 1 prophecy use

now im getting half of that

[smoky wigeon]

are they nerfing cof or what hahah

[outer hornet]

thats whats confusing me

idk whats going on lol

[smoky wigeon]

ye its very likely bugged for you mate, i checked and get 4 with the lense but without the rank 10 reward

tbf i see some 8x uniques rewards around so i could also get 16 with rank 10 prophecy

try to relog, note that if you take them out and reroll and put them in afterwards, it won't update (doesn't for me at least) so try rerolling just in case

[outer hornet]

yeah i had restarted the game i even verified my files and it still stayed at the same when i tried to get another prophecy lol

[solid seal]

There are 2 unique ring prophecies. At their base (no 2x use or 2x lens equipped), they reward x3 rings and x7 rings and have a single use.

With just the double use lens equipped, prophecies rolled on the telescope will reflect the double use. Both of those prophecies would say "Fulfilled 0/2 Times" on the bronze bar. The reward text is unchanged.

With just the double rewards lens equipped, prophecies rolled on the telescope will reflect the double rewards. The rewards text would say "Unique Ring x6" or "Unique Ring x14". Since the base use is 1, there is no text on the bronze bar.

With both lenses equipped, you'll get the text on the bar "Fulfilled 0/2 Times" and the reward text "Unique Ring x6" or "Unique Ring x14".

The prophecy will not reflect your rank 10 benefit but the rings will duplicate when the event progresses and the rings drop.

And in case you were wondering, the fixed costs on the Unique Rings x3 prophecy are 2000 (no 2x lenses), 3750 (+88% 2x use), 4000 (+100%, 2x reward), and 7000 (+250%, 2x use+reward) . For the Unique Rings x7 prophecy, favor costs are 5000, 8500 (+70%, 2x use), 9001 (+80%, 2x rewards), and 17000 (+240%, 2x use+reward).

[balmy fossil]

🤯

[elfin nebula]

is it just pointless to chase red ring through prophecies? ive been farming 800+ corruption for ages, idk how many hundreds of thousands, probably millions of favor i have spent on unique ring prophecies

and not a single one has dropped

but idk how else id ever find one

i also used like 200ish runes of ascendancy because i dont need them for anything else anyway. but its almost 1/600 to get red ring that way :^)

[dry bluff]

Bad luck my friend. I've found 4 red rings today with around 400k spent

[elfin nebula]

damn :o well i guess just gotta keep going then, was kinda starting to wonder whether im missing smth

[silk lichen]

just rng really, had a friend got 2 without level 10 in first 100k and i got 1 in first 10 transdence and now 300 + havent seen another. also i've done over 3k monos never seen it drop whilst another friend had 2 drops 1lp non prop

[solid seal]

Absolutely not. Drop rate is extremely low, but prophecies give you 14 opportunities per prophecy progression and no set items diluting the drop pool. I've seen 9 in 1344 rings from x14 prophecies. 4 are 1 LP.

Rune of Ascendance on rings can drop 3 set rings in addition to the uniques and the chance to get LP is like 40% of random/prophecy drops.

[elfin nebula]

which lense combination are you guys running to target red rings? out of ring chance, blocking campaign/dungeons/arena, extra rewards and extra completions. if how i assume the math works is correct then more rewards/double completions, blocking arena and increased ring chance sounds like max value per favor spent

also i assume the increased rarity from high corruption is basically mandatory? so theres little point in doing dungeon/arena prophecies

[foggy shell]

I haven't looked for red rings in particular, butfor almost all the items i target farm i run 2x reward, 2x use, and the last slot for the item itself (glove\dagger etc, or just unique if the item types is less in that telescope)

[outer hornet]

I dropped a duped red ring of altaria Tuesday it was my 1st time getting the ring I was happy it duped from lv 10 in cof

Also I know how prophecies work @solid seal and I'm 100% sure that 17k prophecy shouldn't be a 4x reward lol it's like bugged or maybe visual bug. I'm trying to complete a 17k ATM and the reward says 4x unique daggers so I'm going have to see if it drops more than 8x

[foggy shell]

Ah, and that reminded me of this vid (he also has a google doc linked in the vid for Science :D)
https://youtu.be/4bDfL4Ytg1A

[solid seal]

https://imgur.com/9Zevvfs

[elfin nebula]

ty ill check whether he does specific math on the rings :)

[solid seal]

There is no 17k Unique Daggers prophecy. There is the "Unique Dagger x2" prophecy (unlocks at rank 0, 1 base use) that costs 4500 with use+rewards lens. There is the "Unique Dagger x2" prophecy (unlocks at rank 6, 3 base uses) that costs 13000 with use+rewards lens.

[solid seal]

Lenses: 2x Use, 2x Reward, your choice. If you need a random dropped relic or amulet, use the Unique rarity lens. If you need rings of any rarity, use the Ring lens. Use a block lens to avoid content or force certain kinds of content (e.g. block monolith and do "kill boss/rare" quests that can be done anywhere in monos).

High corruption = more experience = more favor = more prophecies. You're also earning more stability per echo, which means your doing boss kills more frequently.

[elfin nebula]

yea i am currently on ring chance, more rewards, block arena

im just wondering whether i should click the campaign/dungeon ones. campaign has horrible area level. dungeons have area lvl 100 but no increased item rarity from corruption. does that matter?

[solid seal]

i'd swap arena for more uses and just reroll to deal with arena

[outer hornet]

@solid seal lol i just got a 17k in my prophecy list for daggers dude.... what are you talking about that there isnt ...

thats how much it cost and it also only shows 4x the only difference is that its easier to complete and has 6 uses as well

[solid seal]

if you just need a red ring and have decent move speed, i'd take the campaign ones. Stock up on a few then go run to the boss

[elfin nebula]

i know theres videos that analyze whether prophecies are affected by corruption as in the LP they reward. and it doesnt seem to be the case. the only thing i think is going on, is that the prophecy threshold is determining the quality. IE 310 corruption prophecies are treated as if you dropped the prophecy rewards in a 310 corruption mono.

[solid seal]

you can knock out all the uses on campaign bosses by tp'ing out then back to reset the boss after killing

[elfin nebula]

but i have no data on that

[solid seal]

Not 17k. https://imgur.com/EokFemb

2x Use + 2x Reward: 6 uses x 4 daggers per use = 24 daggers from the prophecy.
No use/reward lens: 3 uses x 2 daggers per use = 6 daggers from the prophecy. Screenshot from frozensentinel's spreadsheet of the base prophecy with no 2x Use and 2x rewards https://imgur.com/7WHiluk
Use+Reward is 4x the loot.

[lucid pawn]

Worth it to use the double rewards + double use lenses together? Super expensive but if you get a "kill rares in dungeon" proph youre good to go

And block arena

[livid spruce]

Yeah, I think that's the meta. Each of those lenses is a multiplier on the amount of items you get per favor spent, and making it cost so much also means you are wasting less time managing a smaller number of prophecies.

[cedar ridge]

Hello, can i use prophecies to increase my chance to loot experimental gloves?

[livid spruce]

No, they don't generate boss drops

[lucid pawn]

Just did 2 prophecies costing me 14k favour each. For a total of 48 pairs of unique gloves. ONE pair of Hubris. 0 LP

Like... wtf

[livid spruce]

Doesn't sound unlikely at all, rng is just not on your side

[ruby linden]

Any tips for lenses? Must haves? I've got three blocks on armor, bonus reward and two idol preferences, 2x 2h axe and 1x exalted%+, and an exalted% and a restriction for jewelry.

[grizzled jay]

it all depends on what you're farming. I try to stick with my most needed upgrade so for example for rings, if you're at rank 10 CoF, try both 2x reward/use lenses plus whatever item type you need most, or you can focus on the rarity type with ex or unique lenses

[ruby linden]

Word, sounds like a good idea.

[grizzled jay]

if you do double rewards on unique rings, you can get a double red ring of atlaria drop. happened to me a couple of days ago.

[ruby linden]

Do they roll the same?

[jolly trail]

https://lastepoch.tunklab.com/ascsim

proph drop rates are similar to whats in here minus the set items

it takes a lot to get red rings but its doable and u get 2 at once

[ruby linden]

I meant the double rewards, are they copies or are they new rolls

[jolly trail]

yeah exact copies

[ruby linden]

But that's a handy link thank you

[jolly trail]

the home page has a lot of other useful calcs like insight

insights pretty tricky to get right

[lucid pawn]

and again. another 48 unique gloves. this time 2 Hubris gloves with 0LP, every single other glove had at least 1... wtf is going on

[jolly trail]

what glove are you going for?

[lucid pawn]

Maelins Hubris. and it literally barely drops compared to every single other glove in the game and ussually drops with less LP... its a common glove and i have tested this with over 200 unique glove drops from prophecies

[ruby linden]

Oh this has the exact affix sorter I needed

[jolly trail]

the rarity isn't too bad on it. just unlucky

[lucid pawn]

seems not the case tho.. its rediculous

[silk lichen]

anyone knows if higher corruption props increases the chance for tier 7?

[jolly trail]

more drops should mean more t7

there's a lot of talk about how past 1k the game isn't adding more drops properly

you should get more favor per hour past 1k

[silk lichen]

im referring to propechies with corruption say 140 / 300, not the corruption level of the mono itself

[jolly trail]

corruption doesn't impact proph. your perks do

someone did a youtube video testing it

getting more favor per hour is a huge benefit though

[silk lichen]

there are some propchies with minimum corruption requirements. im asking if those with higher corruption requirement do they yield higher chance for t7s

[jolly trail]

no only the price is impacted on those

[silk lichen]

ok thank you

[lucid pawn]

ok.. where do i find void horrors for monotlih kill prophecy?

[grizzled jay]

random spawn unfortunately. I wish there were themed echos could have particular spawns

[lucid pawn]

thats so bad...

[foggy shell]

https://lastepoch.tunklab.com/npc/VoidHorror
Only the timelines listed can spawn the monster in monos

[solid seal]

Void Horrors from Beacons are a different type, so they won't progress prophecies https://lastepoch.tunklab.com/npc/BeaconVoidHorror

[celest swift]

if i'm only rank 8 is it better to use the Rank 7 and 8 lenses and just reroll for targets? If i was only going to use one, is 7 always better than 8 since it's 10% cheaper?

[smoky wigeon]

just use both and reroll

if you can't buy both for a reason, buy the 80% one first farm a bit, and then buy the 90% one

[solid seal]

weapons/idols: Item type lens > double use lens > double reward lens.
armour/accessories: double use lens > double reward lens > rarity lens (the more item types you need) > item type lens (the less item types you need).
The prices on lenses are fixed and don't exactly scale up with the values on the lens tooltip. There are about 70 of the 193 prophecies that have the same favor cost whether you have either a double use lens or a double reward lens equipped. The remaining prophecies are cheaper with the double use lens. Personally, I just went double use lens + double reward lens so I could quickly unlock slot 3 at rank 9 (all telescopes become double use lens + double rewards lens + your choice for a 3rd lens) and unlock duplicated prophecy rewards at rank 10.

[smoky wigeon]

i'd never take item type over double use or double reward lenses tbh

but ye slot 3 (third lense) is always the "desired item you are looking for"

[celest swift]

having 2x use 2x reward does nothing for building favor though right?

[smoky wigeon]

can't slot 2 of the same big ones

[solid seal]

earning experience gets you favor. 1 favor = 4 rep. You get 2 rep when you earn that favor and 2 rep when you spend that favor.

[solid seal]

2x use = double use, not 2 actual use lenses

edited above tho to make it clear.

[smoky wigeon]

i mean you can slot in 2 of the same lenses, but here is the tooltip:

"Lenses that block activities or increase the cost of prophecies do not stack",
means two double use lenses will behave like 1
but other lenses like % for exalteds can stack

[celest swift]

yep i knew what you meant 🙂

[smoky wigeon]

nah i didn't reference your comment, i referenced silverghosts message

[smoky wigeon]

this one

[smoky wigeon]

you could do the empowered "fall of the outcasts" monolith until you get a decent Grand Strength of Mind blessing (7 to 10% increased exp), that could help with gaining more favor, it would make sense to me, but tbh I have no clue if they take the base exp to calculate the favor you gain

[white narwhal]

COF is OP, just dropped 4xlp4 vial of volatile ice in the same prophecy, my "first" lp4

[celest swift]

Yeah I thought about that. But I got a nice 18% unique instead.

[jolly trail]

You get 4x for 3.4x the cost. All items are duplicated at r10 so 8x for 3.4x cost

The double rewards also helps you not fill your prophs up

[solid seal]

that unique blessing only applies to random drops, not prophecies or fixed rate drop tables (bosses specific items).

[smoky wigeon]

it's actually funny that all unique ring x3 prophecies are pricier than they should be and all unique ring x7 prophecies cheaper than they should be, guess they round the numbers.

Idea: Add 10 Lens slots (1 for each reputation level), could add some more freedom to what prophecies you actually want to focus on.
Could also get interesting by stacking some of these lenses like Unique % etc.

[lucid pawn]

Yep.. again the game knows i want hubris gloves. Just did another 92 x uniques gloves from prophecies. 7 pairs of hubris. 1 had 1 LP. The other 85 gloves that dropped came with 1-3 LP

The game hates me

[livid spruce]

The watched pot never drops loot, or something like that

[solid seal]

everyone should run 1 gloves prophecy and link the 1+lp hubris' that will drop, lol

[lucid pawn]

Cmon... ive spent over 150,000 favoit on glove prophecies totalling hundreds of unique gloves and in total i get like, 5 pairs of hubris with 1 LP while the rest drop way more commonly?

[smoky wigeon]

got a good one i think:

In a world of endless grind, the drop I need is hard to find.

[potent current]

Question what extends duration of were bear transformation ?

[livid spruce]

Yeah, the rest makes up all the other gloves. You're looking at like 6% chance for any specific common glove

[livid spruce]

Having or gaining more mana/rage

it only ends when your mana hits 0

[smoky wigeon]

On Werebear Skill Tree:

Ruthless for less rage decay rate (up to 48%)
Frenzied Strikes for Rage gain on hit with swipe (up to +4)
Pummel and Bash for Rage gain with maul to stunned (up to +10)
Enrage for Rage gain on roar per enemy (up to +10)
Invigoration for Rage gained on kill or hit (up to +12)

On Druid Skill Tree:

Focused Wrath for (up to 30% rage decay rate)
Rancour for "Your Rage only decays if you have used an ability recently (past 4 seconds))"
Rageborn for "Rage gain on crit (+3)"

Items:

Kermode's Cage Unique Chest for "2 Rage Gained on Kill in Werebear Form"

[manic idol]

can you drop boss uniques from CoF like Apathy's Maw for example?

[smoky wigeon]

prophecies? nope

[manic idol]

too bad

[manic idol]

what about siphon of anguish?

[solid seal]

Prophecies pull from the pool of random drops. https://www.lastepochtools.com/checklist/uniques/random

Siphon is a fixed drop off of Shade.

[native isle]

CoF rewards really need to apply to boss/specific enemy drops

[vital forge]

hey guys i joined CoF and it said to start by accepting a prophecy/quest from one of the telescopes but i odnt have enough currency to do that, what do?

[native isle]

just play the game

kills, quest completions, etc will earn you favor

[keen epoch]

Get favor, which you gain by getting exp

[vital forge]

oh

okay easy enough, thanks

[keen epoch]

They need to make more target grinds that you can’t trivialize with prophecies imo

Harder bosses and such

[native isle]

trivialize? are you kidding?

[keen epoch]

No?

[native isle]

prophecies don't trivialize anything

hell no

[keen epoch]

Okay man go play SSF in any other ARPG

[native isle]

go back to #💰┃merchants-guild

"trivialize", says the MG member that can literally buy any item they want

[keen epoch]

We’re not talking about trade we’re talking about ssf

Being able to create Diablo 3 level loot explosions of specific item types based on what you want with boosted LP rates doesn’t trivialize solo self found you’re right

[native isle]

you're a downright moron

you imagine a loot explosion with LP3s everywhere

the reality is that loot explosion is 99% disappointment

CoF may be increasing how many drops I see, but not helping with the amount of garbage I'm sifting through

sure, after spending 17k favor I can get a single boss kill to drop 14 rings

that'll be on average 4 LP0, 8 LP1, and if I'm really lucky 1 LP3

in the same amount of time it takes me to do that, the collective of MG players have dropped thousands of rings and put half of them up in the bazaar

[keen epoch]

Again comparing ssf to trade

[native isle]

you really don't get it

[keen epoch]

Ironic

[native isle]

no, stupidity

but I'm feeling generous, so I'll explain it to you

[keen epoch]

Please don’t

[native isle]

the two factions aren't meant to exist in a vacuum

from a gameplay perspective, especially from a design overview, they need to be roughly balanced for fun for those that choose either one

CoF isn't meant to just replicate the punishing SSF droprates

and MG certainly wasn't meant to see items sell for billions and people's gold only escalate ever upwards

the fact that you think CoF is just a rebranded SSF is simply moronic

but please, go on about how CoF is "unfair", "unbalanced", or whatever idiotic word choice you make

CoF is an amazingly good concept

[left vault]

Can someone help me get cof favor? Im lvl 56 would rlly appreciate it

[native isle]

the implementation needs refinement

[native isle]

just play the game

run monos

it's based on XP, and you still have a lot of leveling to do

[left vault]

Cant do monos havent even beat the story. Trynna get a prophecy for majasa b4 i kill her

[native isle]

don't bother

just play the game, you'll have plenty of chances to go back and kill her again, should you want to

also, you don't have to beat the story to run monos

[left vault]

That is wat im trying to avoid lol

[native isle]

they unlock at 50

[left vault]

Rlly?

[native isle]

don't avoid it, just play the game

[left vault]

I thought u needed to?

[native isle]

especially on your first character

[lucid pawn]

Screw this. I aint farming atupid hubris gloves anymore. Im gonna smash 2h staffs and search for a god rolled wheel of torment

Just did another 48 glives and nothin..

[native isle]

they're listed as common drops

[lucid pawn]

Dont feel like it

[native isle]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/search?query=hubris&in_description=1&exact_match=0

the site data doesn't lie

[lucid pawn]

Hundreds of gloves, lots of 3lp other gloves, a handfull of 1lp hubris

[native isle]

and I know I've personally seen a few of those in my farming

LP2 is listed as Rare, with LP3 as Very Rare

[lucid pawn]

I have seen some. But nowhere near as much as other gloves after hundreds of drops

[native isle]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

RNGesus giveth and taketh away

so, if you're farming for LP3 Hubris, the drop rate is over twice that of LP0 red rings

0.25% for LP3 Hubris

honestly, with the way CoF is right now, you might as well get comfortable with 85% complete builds

[lucid pawn]

Lp2 is what im after

[native isle]

4.52% chance for LP2

[lucid pawn]

I just want to slam a ward experimental on them lol

And ill be done with it

[native isle]

even getting decent rolled LP0 red rings will progress my build significantly

working on getting corruption up on a single timeline is a chore

[lucid pawn]

ok, WHERE are seige golems in Monos??

anyone know which monos have em consistantly?

[native isle]

I see them in Age of Winter pretty regularly

[lucid pawn]

not seeing any

[native isle]

they're not gauranteed

[lucid pawn]

I cant find one! Wtf

[smoky wigeon]

our friend pfhoenix is a little passive aggressive but not a bad guy, you need to learn to love and hate him 😂

[native isle]

whichever way you land, I'm still right

[grizzled jay]

it's the best version of SSF i've ever played, not overly rewarding, good progression, and even at max rank, pushing to get those specific t7s you want or LP items is still plenty rare enought that it feels so dang good to finally hit a craft, or drop. whatever. I love it

initially I thought it was too grindy to hit rank 10, but if your build can blast monos fast enought, it's not bad

I got a double red ring drop from a prophecy two days ago, super stoked'

[native isle]

oof, congrats

[lucid pawn]

I took the 10k exalted chests, kill 5 seige golems 2 times in monos.. i advise AGAINST taking this prophecy as they are rare as hell

[jolly trail]

if anyone is farming lightless i can trade lp3 helms if someone has chest1, boots2 open dm me. ive been runnning a ton looking to speed up

[native isle]

I generally avoid any specific enemy kills in monos prophecies

siege golem kills by themselves are surprisingly easy, though

just go to the etendale waypoint east of lake liath

run north, always a siege golem there due to a sidequest

20 seconds per run for a single kill

[lucid pawn]

Yeh i know that.. but in monos its basically wasted favour.. ugh

I can farm void horros oretty regular. Seige tho? Nope

[twilit jetty]

@jolly trail check dms

[lucid pawn]

Got a 2lp exsang i dont want to mess up so farming t6-t7 cthonic

[heady spear]

@native isle I’ve just finished the campaign and I’m around lvl 68 I’m curious to know should I go COF or MG I know I can go on YouTube and everything but I feel like it’s better to hear it straight from the players. and seeing your responses in chat it seems like you’re really knowledgeable so I wanted your advice haha

[native isle]

.. I'm not that knowledgeable

here's some perspective - I really don't care for playing virtual stock market games

if I wanted to play Day Trader, I wouldn't be playing ARPGs

but lots of people like playing auction houses

that said, I'm still considering making an alt for the express purpose of accessing the bazaar, in order to more easily get gold

I have no hard-on for what amounts to SSF

[heady spear]

should I go COF or MG I’m not sure

maybe I should watch yt vids for better explanation

[native isle]

if you don't want to deal with buying and selling stuff in the Bazaar, go CoF

if you want to have access to more readily gearing your characters, and don't mind buying and selling stuff as a significant percentage of your gameplay, then go MG

[heady spear]

I got some free lvl carry’s yday so I have around 5.6-6K favour anything I should prioritise w it before I make the switch to bazaar ?

or should I make use of the fact I have like 3 rank lvls on COF and continue grinding it out

[native isle]

just be aware that you won't be able to use any gear marked for CoF if you switch to MG

and vice versa

[heady spear]

ohhh so if my current load out is cof then i'll have to get new stuff for mg

[native isle]

yup

[heady spear]

is it anytime that says cannot be traded or the one w the purple mark

sorry for so many questions

[sullen perch]

purple mark

[native isle]

the purple mark

[heady spear]

oh okay then im chillin w my current loadout

[native isle]

if you have at least 2mil gold, you could very easily buy not-the-best-but-still-decent versions of all of your gear, very easily

from the bazaar

[heady spear]

im no where near that haha

only 200k

[native isle]

literally everything can be found there

dang, I'm a hair shy of halfway to rank 10

[potent current]

Is this guild better than rank 10 merchants ?

[native isle]

wrong question

are you okay with buying your gear from other players over finding it yourself?

[smoky wigeon]

if you have no problem with buying and selling stuff on the market, mg will be better by a good amount.
The thing is, that at some point you will have your whole build 95% min maxed, while cof players will keep pressing the reroll button until the end of time.

contra against mg would be, it has horrible ass ui, like hooooorrible

[frail mason]

do yall have the same experience where Kill Void Horror prophecies in a monolith do not count when killing the Void Horros that spawn from charge beacon events?

[native isle]

yep, those void horrors don't count

[smoky wigeon]

yes, because they are a different type of monster technically

[native isle]

for some reason, they're a different monster

[frail mason]

hm

it definitely seems intended

[native isle]

the real question is - is that a bug or not? because there's another prophecy for killing something else that does count when it spawns at charge beacon events

welp, finally hit level 100 with my first char

[frail mason]

i think if it's not a bug i feel like most playerbase would rather it count, i like the feeling of buying a lot of prophecies for monoliths and stumbling upon the requirement monster. also it would make charge beacon suck less lmao

gz on 100

[native isle]

I skip the prophecies for killing specific enemies

[frail mason]

i usually try to only grab immortal eye ones

[native isle]

I'd rather rares in a dungeon

oh yeah, immortal eyes would be easy in soulfire bastion

[small meadow]

Monoliths or dungeons. Which do you guys suggest for prophecies.

[native isle]

whichever you want

with monos, you're working on corruption progress

[small meadow]

Also for gloves which prophecy reward is it?

[native isle]

but if you're going to run the dungeon anyways

[small meadow]

Unique armor?

[small meadow]

True

[smoky wigeon]

i feel like the dungeon rewards are quick and easily done, while monoliths can also be quick but rely a little more on your luck of finding the specific monster etc.

but in a whole i'd say monoliths

[native isle]

I'd avoid all specific monster kill mono prophecies

they're just frustrating

[wheat coral]

Just reached Soreth’Ka, boutta join CoF for the first time

Any tips? I been salivating over CoF

[frail mason]

in terms of tips a lot of the benefits from ranking up are going to be more related to passive increases to drop rates

[frail mason]

besides that i found this video straight to the point about how to use prophecies and lenses to get the most out of prophecies https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAIvpB8_sR4

[smoky wigeon]

1. finish the last act (the one you are in right now)
2. start doing monoliths, do the right side only, the left sided monoliths are kind of useless (except the top 3 monoliths, you need to make them to unluck empowered ones)
3. Spend some favor on useful lenses that help you get your gear faster
4. keep doing monoliths, upgrade your blessings, spend some of your favor for prophecies and so on

note: don't do the (1LP Unique Prophecies) they are not worth it

[dry bluff]

https://imgflip.com/i/8kzd55

[finite charm]

Ehhh -- i mean -- you can kind of hit stuff you need with enough time and with specific farming methods in CoF

it just takes a while to get there

but based on the prices i'm seeing in the MG, it looks like it's not gonna be easy to get LP3+ items there either

[small meadow]

Is the double trys for 80 percent increase worth it?

[finite charm]

yes.

all of the double lenses are worth it

[small meadow]

I assumed the 90% one is not?

[finite charm]

without those farming is a pain in the ass.

they both are

[small meadow]

Ah ok

[finite charm]

Go for the Increased experience blessing, and buy those lenses -- then target farm

[stoic igloo]

can you stack lenses

[wheat coral]

What’s wrong with 1 lp prophecies?

[finite charm]

The cost / benefit ratio is not worth it

you already have a high chance of LP, the cost vs the chance of rolling higher is too much to make it worth while

there's a video explaining this

[small meadow]

For the 90% does it increases the rewards from say for example 5 to 10 rewards. Does it just duplicate the 5 original rwards (like lvl 10 COF) or do I get 10 unique rewards and those 10 rewards are then doubled thru COF lvl 10 for a total of 20 rewards.

[dry bluff]

it works the way you'd want it to

it gives you more individual drops

[finite charm]

yes, more individual drops

[small meadow]

Ok nice

[finite charm]

instead of x6 rings, you get x12

then those are doubled through the rank passive

[small meadow]

Ima equip it then, I thought it was just like lvl 10 COF again so I didnt equip.

[dry bluff]

yup, its bis for endgame

[finite charm]

^ 100%

the other lense lets you do the prophecy more times to get it again and again

different rewards each time

[wheat coral]

Immediately got a 14 Weavers Will ring with good affixes my first mono after picking lol

I love it already

[smoky wigeon]

the lenses that change prophecy cost or block certain things don't stack, everything else stacks

[lucid pawn]

Im using the 2 double lenses + a blocker. With rank 10 cof its insaaaane.

[smoky wigeon]

statistically speaking they are not worth your time, in best case scenario they would be worth it, but because you aren't gonna get the best case scenario in most cases in won't be worth it

[lucid pawn]

They are terrible prophecies. If it was 2, maybe

[small meadow]

So overall BIS is one blocker + 90% + 80% correct?

[lucid pawn]

Im thinking of blocking monos. Seriously.

[small meadow]

I was thinking that too, but its hard to farm favor without monos tho

[lucid pawn]

You can still farm.favour

[smoky wigeon]

LP2 would be absolutely godlike, you could get a revenous void with LP2 for example

[dry bluff]

my opinion is +90 +80 and the specific item you are wanting, its worth rerolling to me to skip crap i dont want

[small meadow]

Ah ok thanks Ill try that out.

[lucid pawn]

I just hate the 0/2 timeline boss ones... gimme the kill rares in a dungeon all day pls

[small meadow]

The worse ones are the 0/16 ones lmao

I make sure to double check before clicking on those

[lucid pawn]

And seige golems are literally a year to finish due to lack of them

[smoky wigeon]

i don't think they are toooo bad, you get them done eventually anyway, like exiled mage or x amount of rare monster, and it won't kill your inventory space instantly

[small meadow]

good point regardint the inventory.

[smoky wigeon]

e.g loot explosion 30 boots or something like that

[lucid pawn]

I still dont get how im supposed to find seige golems in monos? I need 5 of them and i have to do that twice its so dumb

[smoky wigeon]

rip dandan

[small meadow]

Side question: I am about to rune of creation for the first time my mad alchemist ladle 3LP wand, anything I should be worried about unlike the exalted which turns to 0 forging potential?

[lucid pawn]

You cant

[small meadow]

o

[lucid pawn]

Item needs forge potential

[small meadow]

Right duh

[dry bluff]

the siege golems dont need to be in a mono

[lucid pawn]

It says "monolith"

They doooo

[dry bluff]

oh, okay

[finite charm]

I do unique + 90 + 80

some people run lower corruption + 90 + 80

or specific item + 90 + 80

[small meadow]

Thanks, I currently have arena blocker maybe ill remove that and try the unique.

[finite charm]

I don't mind running arena ones. I actually got LP2 Chariot while also finishing up some prophecies

the ones i don't like are story line ones, and dungeon ones feel like a chore - so I stack those up until i do a single dungeon run to clear them

[wheat coral]

Just got my first item with Legendary Potential

Alchemist’s Ladle, not really something I can use T_T

[smoky wigeon]

just wait for that sweet sweet LP3 or LP4 drop 🤤

[wheat coral]

And then it’ll be an item I can’t use T_T

[frosty pelican]

@finite charm RE testing, I agree that just killing monsters randomly wouldn't be great for rarity testing but it would be sufficient for LP testing

[finite charm]

@frosty pelican You're right, there's different types of chests and that does add a different type of variance, but between different types of monsters, different rarities etc, is too much to accurately test

if a map has higher number of rare monsters for example, it can skew results no?

[frosty pelican]

It might for rarity per map

but it shouldn't impact LP

[finite charm]

But the dev notes says it should

no?

[frosty pelican]

whether it takes you 10k monsters to get 300 uniques, or 1k to get 300 uniques, it doesn't matter

if you are checking for how much LP they have

[finite charm]

Well, i can't do this testing since i haven't broken 1k corruption yet

[frosty pelican]

These I think need to be two separate tests

maybe more than two

[finite charm]

and the diference between 400 and 800 is negligible

[frosty pelican]

There are diminishing returns on the LP chance per corruption

but doesnt seem like the same for rarity

[finite charm]

Well, the notes you posted imply otherwise

it says higher corruption scales the LP and rarity

[celest swift]

o/

[frosty pelican]

It does scale corruption, but the first 100 corruption gives more bonus LP than the next 100, and the 100 after that, etc.

[finite charm]

Well, let me clarify

1+ LP, not scaling up the LP2 or 3 chance

just getting some LP

[frosty pelican]

It's the same though

[verbal jetty]

even if it does the difference seems so small that it shouldn't really matter - try running a 100c, 500c, and 1000c and check the diff its quite massive when you average it out try it urself. You simply get a ton more items on higher corr and every single one of those drop "rolls" has a chance to be unique

[finite charm]

it says 100 would be 5%, 10% at 300, 14% at 600

It doesn't say if there's a cap

[celest swift]

is there a good source of ward threshold or retention other than the shackles?
I'm debating taking this 73% necrotic blessing, i'd lose my 70% poison res dropping me to 20% poison but so far i haven't found much issue with poison enemies

[frosty pelican]

Even if you only increase 1LP chance, in theory, by doing that you also increase 2LP. The game first rolls for 1LP and if success rolls for 2

etc

[frail mason]

intel

[finite charm]

To be clear, you're saying that a higher number of LP1 items would by definition increase the number of rolling LP2+ because of just the numbers game, but not because it would scale the rolling algo itself

if so, then yeah, that makes sense

[frosty pelican]

Yea basically

Say 1LP for a unique happens 1/2 of the time, and 2LP 1/6 of the time

The 1LP roll is 1/2, but the 2LP roll could be viewed as 1/3 after 1LP success

[finite charm]

well, i'll have to take a timeline to over 1k if i want to test it

but it does make sense

Now the question is, is there a cap

or does it scale up infinitely

[frosty pelican]

Probably not but it will diminish down to nothing where you need an unfeasible amount of corruption to get more scaling

[finite charm]

But it seems to be higher, the higher the corruption is

[frosty pelican]

Also from my testing, even though it seems like corruption does not increase LP (for prophecies) I still didn't drop a single 0LP for items with an LP level under 30

[finite charm]

not the inverse

[frosty pelican]

Out of many hundreds of items

[finite charm]

interesting

[frosty pelican]

Clearly Rank 6 doubles the actual 1LP roll chance, then when you look at the 2LP, 3LP, etc. rolls for those items

you see a similar trend in rates

eg. if 1LP normally has 50% chance, seems like Rank 6 takes it to 100% which in turn increases 2LPs, 3LPs, by the same amount

[celest swift]

hmm thanks for the reply, i'm playing rogue so intel is a no go for me too

[frail mason]

i think your next best bet is experimental affixes

[celest swift]

i went ahead and took it in case i go for the gloves and it let's me use a unique chest now if i want

42% necro was on my chest, now i don't have to worry about losing it

[frosty pelican]

those experimentals are so hard to get as CoF lol

[frail mason]

at least the deterministic crafting is possible just not as great as buy thing exactly

[frosty pelican]

Can't for exalts though, 12% vs 20% iirc

huge difference :/

[frail mason]

yeah and rogue base items dont come with ward implicits unfortunately so really only going to find those stats on exper/uniques

[finite charm]

As I was farming the mage for ladle, I hit quite a few of those

Luckily

[celest swift]

yeah i think boots can get ward theshold

[finite charm]

So, extra perks of setting up that farm

[frail mason]

arcane boots yea

[celest swift]

man i am just looking for an LP 1 smoke dagger right now, both of mine are 0 lp

[lucid pawn]

Killed 100 mages in a few days. Not a single ladle

[frail mason]

got a double t7 from a mage and it had missing hp as ward but that exp affix dropped at t3 RIP

[frosty pelican]

I'm at well past 1k mages and not a single T7 hp as ward, or a 4LP ladle, on 2x 3LP ladles

sad

[verbal jetty]

seems pretty random to me, been killing mages in 100c-500c and i've been getting a ton of them. 2 LP3, 5+ LP 2 and too many 0-1 LP to count stopped even picking up LP 2 ones

[frail mason]

ive only gotten a small handful of t5-t6 even, 0 t7 here

i feel like ladles like to mess with you, they show you a bunch and then rugpull you

[livid spruce]

Yeah, mage drops are kinda rough since corruption and rarity doesn't apply

[frosty pelican]

corruption doesn't* apply to LP chance of mage drops?

[hazy elm]

isnt that a bug? or supposed to be like that

[frosty pelican]

oh right thats the curse test

[celest swift]

i've never done any dungeons, when i go convert a legendary if i don;t like what i got on the combination can i do it again if i have another exalted item

[hazy elm]

no

[celest swift]

or do i need another legendary with the same lp

[frail mason]

nope

[hazy elm]

its gone

[celest swift]

sad

[frail mason]

welcome to the end

[hazy elm]

tell me abt that, i missed 13 3lp slams, f this game

[celest swift]

I just got my firest 1lp boneclammer but i don't want to lose my current hat if it fails

[frosty pelican]

missed my 3LP ladle xd sad

[frail mason]

i knew i would always choose COF after i used up all my luck slamming t7 int onto two seperate red rings lmao

failed every slam since

[hazy elm]

i doubt 1lp babrute is even worth slamming

farm 2lp

[frosty pelican]

yea the are pretty common

[pallid oriole]

cof is nice for uniques with lp but not getting any good exalts made me level up a new character on MG completely

[hazy elm]

wdym mg is even better for lp

[celest swift]

i have a pretty sick 3lp ladle just rotting since i don't play a mage

[hazy elm]

ladle can be played on warlock pala,vk and even beastamaster easily

[frail mason]

is the faction item tag on legendaries based on the unique or exalt?

[pallid oriole]

for 0-2lps maybe but for meta items, at 2lp the prices are crazy

[hazy elm]

prices are crazy but u have deterministic farming with wich u can make 100-200mln daily

so its not an issue

like i literally earned and spent 1 bil this week

[verbal jetty]

Idd, you can make even more if you gamble 😛 Spent ~150m in lightless and im gold capped now

[hazy elm]

yep thats what i meant

[pallid oriole]

for me personally, idk any specific farming methods for the market, i just push corruption and if a good item drops that ik will sell, ill sell it

[verbal jetty]

But everything is RNG this game is a gamblers haven

[livid spruce]

Not sure if it is just something they couldn't get working, but it has always been that way afaik

[verbal jetty]

Mage drops seems quite random indeed, though if you care enough to go out of ur way to find the mage every map it can be quite lucrative

Also if you play with friends chances are a lot higher, if 1 person finds a wand the 3 others will also find a wand. Same with boss spesific items

[livid spruce]

Both

[wheat coral]

Got a useable item with 1 Legendary Potential

What exactly does legendary potential do

[solid seal]

See the in-game guide. https://www.lastepochtools.com/guide/section/legendary_items

[wheat coral]

Oh wait

It bugged

And I can’t pick it up or see it

[celest swift]

yes! freaking 2lp smoke dagger

now i just gotta get lukcy at the forge

[finite charm]

That's the crux right there. You finally get that lp2 after some hard work and then you gotta pray to the roll gods

[celest swift]

haha it already got a bad roll on the dodge rating but man anything will be better than 0lp

it was a prophecy drop too which was cool

i am probably going to go for Mana+ Manaregen and Attack Speed, with Shred and Physical Pen as the suffixes

i don't have any good double exalts yet, but i just hit rank 8 cof and the amount of exalts that show up from the 25% chance for rares to turn to exalts is insane

i'm going to have to really tweak my loot filter a ton now

[warped spruce]

Ofc mg is better if u wish to minimax asap, but you lose all fun of gearing in few days max

[hazy elm]

idk i played mg since start and had way more fun than in 5 years of solo beta

[celest swift]

yeah pretty sure mg wouldf make me get bored and stop playing

[hazy elm]

maybe u lose fun, i dont

if u got 3lp item then u can aim for 4lp then for 3 or 4lp with double t7 exalt slam

and so on

celling is endless

and people will never even see those items on cof

[verbal jetty]

Yeah MG is kinda bad tbh, it promotes RMT, though its ofc possible to get lucky - its great for getting OKish gear very early, but CoF is more fun IMO

[hazy elm]

idk i see no fun looking through explosions of loot or finding smth on your own, all i care is getting best gear

[verbal jetty]

make a loot filter 🤣 either way people are different, if you don't like the grind that's ok. But if you just want to play broken builds asap without doing anything at all why not play offline?

And all the best gear costs gold cap for each item either way

[hazy elm]

you really telling me playing broken builds asap, when i just spent 1bil on life erasing strike build? 🤣

[verbal jetty]

🤣 Fair enough

[hazy elm]

i play only for ladder, arena is best part of le imo

but not for everyone

[verbal jetty]

Still though the prices are stupid, its obv infulenced heavliy by RMT

[hazy elm]

ya but prices dont matter, the only thing that rmt killed is it made your own raw gold drop useless, but it doesnt give much regardless

in the end u get gg loot sell it and buy another gg loot with same price

[verbal jetty]

Yeah you get good loot and sell it ofc, but its kinda annoying that every single good item is 1.5b

But yeah i get ur point its another kind of grind

[frail mason]

dopamine is dopamine

[verbal jetty]

Yep, nothing like spending 5-10m in lightless and hitting

[verbal jetty]

But yeah i agree, sadly it shoulda been a corruption leaderboard - not enough people bothers with arena

and they should yeet the bug abusers out after their spec is nerfed

dno why people voted against that

[warped spruce]

Good for you, still on Poe case only leader trully matters is ssf since there you cant cheat by rmt. But still everyone have own way of having fun and its wonderful even if it is by rmt or what's ever 😀

[verbal jetty]

Bad take, but i agree with the having fun part

[smoky wigeon]

get them rmters out of here

maybe they change something for next cycle, we need a better economy like eve

[finite charm]

Where do you think those items come from into the MG? They
Drop for MG players just as much as they do for CoF players. The only diff is trading when someone does not use the build

[finite charm]

Arena is fun though

[smoky wigeon]

tbf they are rarer even but you got 100k people farming and not only you

[finite charm]

Yeah, that's true. But with the prices the way they currently are... Might as well just be you farming alone 😂

[verbal jetty]

Indeed, either you engange in RMT or you get lucky

[finite charm]

Yep. Get lucky to hit something that can sell for a lot so you can buy other items that sell for a lot

Still a grind either way

[verbal jetty]

yep, its a kind of grind i like tbh, but not when the market is empty and costs 100x what it should

[smoky wigeon]

ye that's the thing, need less rmt, ban them bots, maybe lower the mg max cost per item or something like that, nerf the crazy op builds and buff some of the off meta builds

they could also introduce some kind of bidding on items, like an auction house, you don't know how much some items are worth, when you only play 1 or 2 chars

[verbal jetty]

finding a valueable item is always fun, but items should never cost 1.5b

other than rare 4lp ofc

or simular items that just as rare

[smoky wigeon]

Nobody in the world would sell a ravenous void or wings of argentus with 3 or more LP for less than the global last epoch market cap, in some niche cases it is way to low, but in most waaaaaaaaay to high

[celest swift]

umm what the heck, shops now sell exalted at rank 8?

[verbal jetty]

Yep, most "meta" items sell for a stupid amount due to inflation

if you wanna test a build you're suddenly broke

[smoky wigeon]

can't they maybe add KYC verification to the game, that could kill 99% of the bots

[verbal jetty]

doubt the avarage player would bother to do that

[hazy elm]

yep but they dont drop for YOU on cof, for insane item u need high lp rare unique and double t7 exalt, sure u might luck out and get one of those but unlikely both on cof and then u also need to slam, what are u gonna do if u fail slam on cof?

[verbal jetty]

its not like they are selling bitcoin